sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

They should make Nyleth's guard a dung beetle please 🙏

[opal cliff]

is smelling like shit the method for pulling plant women

[stray grove]

TC too chicken to canonize the WP shit room

[blissful harbor]

trueeeee

seth deserved more anyways

[dire lynx]

if i were a plant it would work probably

[stray grove]

PK probably tolerated it due to not having a nose

TK is specifically noted to lack a scent organ

(Unlike not having a mouth which you can argue is the art style)

[blissful harbor]

what if seth’s species is actually some kind of beetle

[dire lynx]

i still find it so amusing how some characters get drawn mouths but others dont, when they all do have them

[sinful nimbus]

PK mouthless agenda

[stray grove]

Yes

Thank you

[opal cliff]

pk no mouth he just beams shit into ur cranium

[stray grove]

Soul speech

[opal cliff]

now thats advanced

[blissful harbor]

PK had a mouth

it’s his crown you clowns

[stray grove]

His voice sounds like the whispering sounds soul makes, the KP tablets which we know for sure use Soul use the same sound effects, we also know Soul speech is a thing since the OM Shaman was able to scream using it so a far more advanced soul user being capable of full on speech is hardly unreasonable

He also wouldn’t have required sustenance so his mouth would’ve been useless beyond making him look more like a normal bug but he already doesn’t really resemble one and I prefer the uncanny valley angle
Vessels are also noted to be uncanny and resemble him

[opal cliff]

glazing pk is the sole reason this heart still beats

[stray grove]

Now wait until you hear about his eyes

[blissful harbor]

ok but if vessels don’t have mouths

why is TK noted to be silent repeatedly

[stray grove]

Yeah yeah he could just have weird inset eyes but it’s cooler for him to just not have functional eyes and rely on his advanced magical senses

[blissful harbor]

why say something that’s obvious

[opal cliff]

what did we do with ismas tear

[stray grove]

I think Vessels may have mouths

[blissful harbor]

man you don’t have a mouth youre pretty quiet

[blissful harbor]

so did WL

or did it appear

[stray grove]

Yeah

WL has a mouth too probably

But mouthless PK agenda will never not be amusing

[sinful nimbus]

Vessels would've had WL eyes had they been born normally

[stray grove]

Just an eyeless mouthless thing masquerading as a regular bug despite having no understanding of their anatomy

It’s a fun angle don’t lie

[sinful nimbus]

They don't got PK's markings on their eye sockets

[blissful harbor]

“yes i am bug please worship me”

[stray grove]

I guess the reason he did it is so that he wouldn’t scare them (and also the obvious practical reasons) which makes it funnier

[sinful nimbus]

Actually why did they remove the word eyes from Zote's dialogue

[stray grove]

It’s not like anyone would’ve mistaken him for an actual guy

[sinful nimbus]

Do they just want all the black eyes to be sockets

[blissful harbor]

i think their artwork is too intentional for thst

[stray grove]

And don’t get me started on the thematic reasons for why it would be neat to have a “blind” PK

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsukaisen-anime-animememe-jjkmeme-gif-15844061580235749010

[opal cliff]

themes and such

[blissful harbor]

oh god blind god trope

[sinful nimbus]

Why'd they do it then 😭

7 years after release

its also something they were considering in development and the last official zote artwork was pretty long ago

[blissful harbor]

i mean idk the actual black ovals are used all the time

as opposed to actual depth

[dire lynx]

you need to make a proper version for pk, i already have one for unn and widow

[sinful nimbus]

like in game though right

That's just artstyle

[blissful harbor]

no artwork

hornet is still depicted with ovals

no depth

[sinful nimbus]

I don't really like the idea because I think it'd make the most sense if only the corpses and PK had empty eyesockets but idk why else they would change that

[blissful harbor]

not at all like TK

[sinful nimbus]

yeah Hornet

[blissful harbor]

take the msot recent HK and SS artworks

[sinful nimbus]

Might just be the average joe then

[dire lynx]

yes

[blissful harbor]

not the most recent SS one but yuh

[dire lynx]

just used the current banners from steam

[runic plume]

lowk why did hornet hvae to acc duel karmelita couldnt she js kill the old karmelita and be a horrible person 😭

[limpid summit]

Shrug their primes seem to be what fuels the heart

[whole holly]

fact that Karmelita has "challenge" text like Grand Mother Silk and Radiance and is stated to rival hornet's strength/skill in her prime says a lot about her, only think comparable in first game is Nightmare King Grimm who has Title Card Screen Like radiance but Nightmare King Grimm is basically a god

[dire lynx]

karm is said to be hornets equal in skill, not strength or power

This graceful ruler once possessed skill to rival my own. At her youthful peak, her voice united all Skarr in her service.

[whole holly]

it rather implies that Karmelita is powerful and skillful, it at least implies she is "challenge" to hornet

will we get similar figure in sea of sorrows

[whole holly]

my mistake, thank you for pointing that out

[limpid summit]

Mantis lords?

[whole holly]

i forgot, they are challenged???

[whole holly]

omg, wow

that assumes Nyleth, Khann, Dung Defender, Nightmare King Grimm are mindless beasts

[foggy fractal]

its a different prompt but yeah

[whole holly]

khann is, though

[sour sleet]

you challenged him by breaking into his house

pretty sure lace isnt a mindless beast

or just random pos

unlike my boy seth, nicest guy in pharloom

[wet shadow]

My own theory: The Weavers put the dreamers to sleep. Or at least had the spell to put them to sleep. Cause if they made a literal god fall asleep for god knows how many years they can definitely put 3 random willing bugs to sleep

[sour sleet]

maybe herrah asked for another child of pharloom

[wet shadow]

Like she wanted more than 1 child?

[sour sleet]

yeah or some other weaver idk

[wet shadow]

I feel like that would have been mentioned

If there were 2 wyrmspawn that would be a huge deal

[sour sleet]

like they mentioned why herrah built like jellybean?

[wet shadow]

I interpreted that as pregnancy complications

Bc it's so hard for a weaver to have a kid

[sour sleet]

it was disproven in red memory

[near jasper]

Yk you can kind of track gms when shes off screen in her fight start animation through the light she emits

[sour sleet]

are you aware of their reproductive system??

[near jasper]

She goes down, wiggles the cradle ig

[wet shadow]

Eva literally tells you that it is hard for a weaver to have a child

[near jasper]

Then just stands in front of hornet for 5 seconds

Without even a Scream animation

This bitch got 0 aura 😭

[wet shadow]

My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task.

Eva

[sour sleet]

when is this dialog? if its before hunter 2 im just dumb

[wet shadow]

I think it's after

[sour sleet]

ok i havent seen it

[wet shadow]

But yeah she says that

[sour sleet]

who even was the wanderer guy in bonegrave

and why is his attack so fast

[wet shadow]

Idk

Oh the covetous Pilgrim

That's a mini boss type thing

[sour sleet]

not him (havent found him ther ty) i meant the crest guy

[wet shadow]

Yeah idk

[sour sleet]

i get the reaper, architect, and shaman

but not beast

bro mustve been some god in his time

[wet shadow]

I think beast crest is gained from some very distant ancestor of the beastflies. Like a silksong dinosaur

[sour sleet]

ok

i think it was the snail shamans who say this, but if crests are a bug's personality, what even is the power of the person who binds a deceased hornet

[wet shadow]

Power of S H A W

[whole holly]

?? hornet's power would be related to hunter's crest focus i guess

[finite cave]

i call wanderer pilgrim sinful pilgrim because it's cool

[sour sleet]

she has bound 7 crests

[finite cave]

chances are he was awesome and used a weapon and was like a ninja and was cool

[sour sleet]

only one is her own

[whole holly]

only hornet is bug that we know can have multiple crests

[wet shadow]

I think each of the crest binding people was a leader among their tribe/clans

[sour sleet]

agreed

[wet shadow]

Like the Reaper could have been a respected foreman

Or the wanderer someone who led pilgrims around but never completed the journey himself

[near jasper]

Architect is weird

We dont bind the people the chapel is even for

[wet shadow]

Maybe architect is full of the silk flies used to make the architects?

[sour sleet]

we do? dead architect, probably first

[wet shadow]

We bind a chorus

[near jasper]

Thats not an architect

[sour sleet]

i didnt remember tht

[near jasper]

We see all the architect corpses on a room behind a breakable wall in the chapel

[wet shadow]

Yeah otherwise we just bind a chorus

[near jasper]

Which is somehow 12 but dont question it

[whole holly]

okay i think Architect Crest is made from Silkflies extracted from architects and used to power Chorus and contains it's knowledge, also Architects may start counting from 0

[near jasper]

Maybe there were multiple architects at the same time, one kept the core working and the other the cauldron

[wet shadow]

Or maybe more than 12 of them?

[whole holly]

well, that does make sense

it is possible 12 architects in breakable wall don't necessarily fall into continuous numerical order i think 13th architect might have died early and is in there

[wet shadow]

Yeah

[near jasper]

It makes sense the core one would die early, gms is just up there and if shes just waking up I dont expect all silkflies to work fine

[whole holly]

that makes sense as well

[near jasper]

Why is there a tiny ledge leading to nowhere in the cradle

[wet shadow]

Why not

[near jasper]

Just a tiny platform on the opposite side of where you're meant to go that you'd never see during normal gameplay

[indigo heart]

Is act 3 is the ||true ending|| when you ||killed|| ||lost lace||

[foggy stratus]

Yes.

[indigo heart]

Idk if this room Is spoiler allowed or not?

[indigo heart]

Thx

[near jasper]

Its allowed

[near jasper]

Yes, the mister mushroom variation of that is probably the canon ending for the next installement in the series

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[near jasper]

Sister Splinter

[foggy stratus]

"An interesting form of camouflage, far better than some I've seen in the past. But still, it would take a fool to not notice the oddly large bundle of shell wood breathing."-The Hunter.

Some minor Fool Eater slander never hurt anyone.

[foggy stratus]

Give me a second one I'm bored.

[near jasper]

Bloatroach

[foggy stratus]

Hmm.

[dire lynx]

driznarga

[near jasper]

Wait why do stilkin trappers even come out to fight are they legitimately stupid

[foggy stratus]

"A truly ludicrous creature. How it flys despite its impressive size alludes me. I find great joy in cutting its gut open and watching the boiling bile fall upon bugs beneath it. Its taste leaves much to be desired however. You'd must be truly desperate to willing eat such a creature."-The Hunter

[foggy stratus]

Yes.

[foggy stratus]

"Its face is a drill. How it shoots out and grows a new one multiple times... is this magic? Or just some fast growing tooth?"-The Hunter

"Its face is a drill..."-The Hunter 2026

[near jasper]

Karak are probably some of the best tasting pharloom bugs ngl

[dire lynx]

they are part coral, so maybe not

[near jasper]

Crustnut

[dire lynx]

a) its a plant b) the only guy we know who eats one is also willing to down the pickled muckmaggot

[edgy nebula]

karak reference

[foggy stratus]

"Small, coral faced creature. I find it almost as appealing to look at as I find it delicious. Crush it up and mix it with some moss berries and pilgrim flesh and it is truly a meal."-The Hunter's Driznit entry.

[near jasper]

Pickled muckmaggot tastes good obv

[foggy stratus]

The meta text description states it tastes good so it tastes good.

[dire lynx]

still not a coral tho

[foggy stratus]

Its a seed of a corpora cluster tho.

[sinful nimbus]

OK come on now are we pretending this doesn't look delectable

[foggy stratus]

Jello mold.

[dire lynx]

coral are animals and so dont have seeds

[foggy stratus]

Mf a random bug can generate coral from the shadow realm i don't TC gave a fuck about realism in this game.

[dire lynx]

mf i think its a plant

[foggy stratus]

Fun fact: Hornet's gramophone in her totally 100% temporary trust me guys bellhome is loud enough for the Couirers to hear it.

[foggy stratus]

After triggering the Snare thing in Snare Setter(or whatever the quest is called) Hornet just stares down at the Void, probably wondering how fucking idiotic Caretaker is to use the fucking Void as a trap. Neat.

[near jasper]

Also

When starting the gns fight, hornet is just standing there in the challenge pose because she couldnt believe the monarch actually just fell down before getting to the arena

[foggy stratus]

Whole ass higher being btw.

Also im in Act 3 steel soul now:)

[near jasper]

Gms couldnt even buy an animation of her screaming facing forward

[sinful nimbus]

Slandering GMS is the reason this heart still beats

[foggy stratus]

In Act three the kinda vessel looking bug in Songclave leaves:(

[foggy stratus]

Same!

[civic elm]

Why is the gms still asleep in act 2

Like most of the pilgrims went to sleep

[sinful nimbus]

still some song left in Pharloom

And even if everyone stopped singing idk if the seal would deactivate immediately

[civic elm]

How does she consume weaverrs that are delivered to her

[near jasper]

Idk

[foggy stratus]

Bind

[sinful nimbus]

never explained

[civic elm]

Is the seal the thing that lets her sleep

[civic elm]

But she is asleep

[sinful nimbus]

Its what keeps her asleep yeah

[civic elm]

Binding weavers keep her asleep?

I skipped wispering vaults so idk

[sinful nimbus]

No the seal

The Citadel uses song magic to keep GMS asleep

[civic elm]

In act3 even tho she had no power left she gave her silk to hornet

[civic elm]

Ik that

Like sherma

[foggy stratus]

She had some power left.

[civic elm]

But she was able to withstand the void for the entire time I was listening to sherma singing her prayers

So she should have been able to break out in act 2

[sinful nimbus]

Those two things are not related

[civic elm]

How does she wake up when we come in her room

If she didnt have power

[sinful nimbus]

The implication is that we got there just in time which is a contrivance but whatever

[civic elm]

So if hornet didnt come

Would pharloom be saved

[near jasper]

No

[civic elm]

Why

[sinful nimbus]

No GMS would wake up and be free to do whatever she wants

[near jasper]

Gms still would keep the haunting probably

[foggy stratus]

Hornet's disrespectful challenge wakes her up.

[civic elm]

What would she do

[civic elm]

And?

[sinful nimbus]

Haunt people and generally be evil she's just not a good person

[civic elm]

It wont get out of control

[civic elm]

How what bad did she do

[near jasper]

How do you know that

[civic elm]

The haunting happened because widow was too loyal

[sinful nimbus]

Weavers described her rule as a "web" and "service eternal"

[civic elm]

But the weavers where worth

[sinful nimbus]

what

[near jasper]

You can be an asshole and know an asshole

[civic elm]

They imprisoned first sinner because shebthought they where not divine

[sinful nimbus]

Yes weavers were evil

[foggy stratus]

Bellhart got giga haunted because of Widow.

[sinful nimbus]

GMS was evil Weavers were evil Conductors were evil that's why the good ending results in both GMS's death and the destruction of the Citadel

[civic elm]

Wait all 3 conductors die right

[sinful nimbus]

There were probably more but yeah

[near jasper]

All conductors are dead after we beat lost lace

[foggy stratus]

Don't forget the Vaultkeepers being assholes.

[civic elm]

And then hornet comes and become the bigger asshole either making a bigger haunting, gives birth to a higher being, or destroy pharloom

[civic elm]

There is one burried under the sand

And the one in white ward

[near jasper]

Pharloom is destroyed in a repairable state in act 3

[sinful nimbus]

Pharloom isn't destroyed in SOTV that's kinda the point of beating Lost Lace 🥴

[near jasper]

Pharloom is destroyed in an unfixable state if we bind gms

[civic elm]

We dont see the state of pharloomnafter the ending

Nobody knows how much time could have passes

Since we where stuck in the void

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet: Out there lie the endless wastes... If I cross them now, Pharloom shall fall to a black fate of my making.
Hornet: My choice is made. I will not abandon its bugs to that grim end. I must descend again, and cut them free.

[sinful nimbus]

Why's that matter

[civic elm]

Yeah no more black haunting

[sinful nimbus]

GMS is dead the blackthreading is gone so Pharloom won't be destroyed

[stray grove]

Plasmium:

[sinful nimbus]

True

[civic elm]

But, the other things entering pharloom

We have plasmium and silver people

[near jasper]

Theyre easy(ish) to fix

[civic elm]

Forgot their name

[near jasper]

Steel people

[civic elm]

Also the time we where fighting lost lacr

The gms goes mad

And rage alot

[stray grove]

Hornet is herself complicit in the spread of Plasmium and the Steel Masters are neither there to attack the kingdom nor are they relevant

[civic elm]

Which would strengthen the black threads

Making more damage

We dont see how much damaged pharloom become in act 3

[stray grove]

Plasmium will also likely be addressed in Sea of Sorrow regardless

[civic elm]

Sorry didnt do much of stealsoul

[sinful nimbus]

Pharloom shall quickly learn the curse of this substance. What benefits it provides can be swiftly outweighed.

My unique shell can resist the darker deformations of this substance, but even I have limits...
🥀

[civic elm]

Yep

[civic elm]

But this

[stray grove]

Hornet also admits to knowing what it was and what it was capable of

[civic elm]

Gms rages alot during the lost lace fight

And when she rages the black threads grow stronger

[near jasper]

Not rage

[civic elm]

Screams

Shouts

[near jasper]

Yeah

[civic elm]

Same thing

Excessive emotions

The threads would only grow stronger

[near jasper]

Lost laces fight does not take that much time

[stray grove]

I mean no that’s not it

[near jasper]

Because if it did wed all be dead

[civic elm]

My theory is the reason why the caccon gets destroyed isnt because hornet start binding gms, but because gms excerded nearly all her power by the shouting she did

[stray grove]

GMS’ emotions aren’t literally empowering the black threads but her struggle is physically tearing the kingdom apart

[civic elm]

How

When she shouts the black thread gets visibly stronger

And the area goes grayish

[stray grove]

It doesn’t get stronger

[near jasper]

Pharloom has hundreds of threads of silk pulling it down

[civic elm]

Nirmally

[stray grove]

It just gets agitated

[civic elm]

How does it go darker

The area your in

[stray grove]

Because it’s agitated

[near jasper]

Screen effect

[civic elm]

How does it go darker?

[stray grove]

😐

[near jasper]

Void threads get shaken, void particles fall out

[civic elm]

Look being all shaky shaky doesnt explain my screen turning off

[stray grove]

As I already said several times the Void becomes agitated

[civic elm]

Fair point

Didnt think of void particles

[stray grove]

GMS is struggling and as she thrashes the threads get pulled which agitates the Void

[civic elm]

Maybe pharloom is in peace.

[stray grove]

It’s not that particles are falling out either

I mean that’s part of it but it’s not the main reason

[civic elm]

The strings compressing and shaking doesnt explain the screen going darkee

[stray grove]

😐

[civic elm]

I like tartathatarantula explanation

[near jasper]

Maybe its just a screen effect to make the screams seem more impactful

[stray grove]

The screen going darker is a screen effect intended to convey that the Void is being agitated

[civic elm]

Hmm

Ok

But it also implies power being sucked out

[stray grove]

No

[civic elm]

It does

[stray grove]

???

[civic elm]

What does black mean

What does darkness mean

[near jasper]

Void

[stray grove]

It’s Void

[civic elm]

What does the void do

[near jasper]

Kill

[civic elm]

It sucks on soul

[stray grove]

You’re just saying shit bruh

[foggy stratus]

Its an absence of color.

[civic elm]

Means the absence of enrrgy

[near jasper]

Void has energy

[stray grove]

The Void has already fused with the silk magic that exists all throughout the kingdom and it continues to drain the soul from shit including GMS yes

[civic elm]

Yes

[stray grove]

But that’s not what the screen effect implies

[civic elm]

Void is attracted towarda soul

[stray grove]

Not attracted to it

[foggy stratus]

Just saying shit man.

[civic elm]

When gms shout in pain, the whole effects that happen remind the play that ths kingdom is being destroyed

Not just it shaking

[stray grove]

It drains the soul of things it comes into contact with and is normally only aggressive to things in its immediate vicinity in SS it behaves differently due to being there under weird circumstances
The kingdom is being destroyed due to a combination of the black threading and GMS’ thrashing which we are explicitly told is the cause of the tremors

The tremors that are physically pulling the kingdom apart

[civic elm]

Yes

[near jasper]

Does the unravelled's silk disappear after we kill gms in act 3

[civic elm]

So her accessive aggressiveness in the lost lace fight, without taking into consideration her very little but still exist resistance when hornet binds her to jump

Would destroy pharloom

[stray grove]

What?

After LL is defeated GMS is dead and the Void is gone

Pharloom isn’t destroyed because Hornet resolves the issue before it gets to that point

[civic elm]

Inbetween her dying and her thrashing

[near jasper]

Most of what could be destroyed has already been destroyed

[civic elm]

What would have happened in the time we where fighting lace

[stray grove]

What are you even talking about

[civic elm]

Maybe I played too many video games in my life and watched too many movies

[civic elm]

The lost lace fight

[stray grove]

Do you seriously think the kingdom was destroyed during the LL fight

[civic elm]

Yes

[stray grove]

Because that’s clearly not what happens and it would be a bizarre writing choice

[civic elm]

Thats the entire convo

[near jasper]

Then whats the point of playing act 3

[civic elm]

That is what normally happens

[stray grove]

“Hey Hornet you need to get down there before the kingdom gets destroyed”
“Lmao too late the kingdom got destroyed offscreen”

??????

[civic elm]

Not destroyed to that point

But much more weakened than what we see in beginning of act 3

[near jasper]

If pharloom is destroyed whats the point of saving lace

[civic elm]

The kingdom doesnt have threads

[stray grove]

Yes obviously there is damage done

[foggy stratus]

Wouldn't be the first time TC does a weird writing thing.

[civic elm]

Thats the pount

[stray grove]

I mean yes we literally see the damage???

[civic elm]

It would be severely more damaged

[stray grove]

What is the point of this convo other than to repeat what we’re directly shown then

[civic elm]

Just look how much gms thrashes in ll fight

[stray grove]

Just during the span of the LL fight? No???

[foggy stratus]

We arent fighting LL for 12 days straight.

[stray grove]

She was always thrashing that much if anything she’s gotten weaker it’s not like we could see her before but her thrashes can be felt and her roars heard all the way up on the surface lmao

[civic elm]

But she destroys her cacoon

[stray grove]

The void destroyed it

[near jasper]

Yes

[near jasper]

Because shes dead

[civic elm]

She destroys it before she died

During the fight

[stray grove]

She was going to die there anyway lol

[civic elm]

Near when you think you killed lace

[stray grove]

Why would her destroying her cocoon accelerate the kingdom’s destruction to the ridiculous degree you’re claiming

[civic elm]

Yep but it just shows how much power she exerts from the beginning of the fight till that point

[stray grove]

I’m sorry this is nonsense

[near jasper]

"acid entered my pouch after I put it in there that must mean the pouch is destroying itself"

[civic elm]

What would happen if you keep strugling

[stray grove]

Hornet isn’t fighting LL for three business days the entire point of act 3 is she was rushing there in order to prevent the kingdom from being destroyed

Whether due to the black threading or the tremors or both

[civic elm]

That exactly my point

[stray grove]

So no GMS isn’t struggling more than before nor is there any reason for the kingdom’s destruction to accelerate

[civic elm]

Everything we saw in act 3

Was like a couple of moments of hornet rushing through pharloom

But the lace fight

[stray grove]

We see the extent of the damage already caused it’s very unlikely that there would be significantly more after the LL fight

[near jasper]

Is also fast

[civic elm]

Not as fast

[stray grove]

The LL fight is like a fraction of the time what are you talking about

[civic elm]

It isnt that much

[stray grove]

Are you saying the LL fight took longer than the entire rest of act 3

Because that’s ridiculous

[civic elm]

It is like 4 staggers with no spells

[near jasper]

We can litterally leave between attempts and see nothing happens 😭

[civic elm]

Because it is a video game

[stray grove]

Respawning isn’t canon

[civic elm]

Just like leaving when hollow knight is not in chains in hollow knight

[stray grove]

“Because it’s a video game”

[civic elm]

Ok

Maybe that is the reason

[near jasper]

In the lost lace fight theres not enough time to cause any meaningful destruction outside gms' cocoon

[stray grove]

I’m sorry this is an outrageous claim

There is no reason to believe that the LL fight took longer in universe than the entire rest of the act

Nor is there any reason to believe the kingdom’s destruction suddenly accelerated tenfold

“lol sorry Hornet you took too long fighting LL and everyone is dead”

[civic elm]

Act 3 was literally go down go up, travel into a timless memory(no time passess) 3 times. Then go back down

[stray grove]

Fuck kinda ending would that be

Fuck kinda writing

[civic elm]

Not everyone dead

[civic elm]

I forgot the hornet getting the hearts placed

[stray grove]

We literally see the damage dealt to the kingdom

[civic elm]

It is just the beginning damage

[stray grove]

Which takes longer than the LL fight on its own???

[stray grove]

No it’s progressive

[civic elm]

Really

Nothing changed for me

It was only getting better with less soul enemies

[near jasper]

We litterally see it get more people with garmond

[stray grove]

Most of the damage was done at the beginning when GMS was dragged into the Abyss but we continue to see the tremors and the threads spread throughout the course of the act

[civic elm]

That is because he was fighting non stop from before the black threads

[civic elm]

Wait what more areas do it claim

[near jasper]

"you got too tired go die from void in your internal organs"

[stray grove]

I mean you’re just begging the question

Obviously mechanically the entire map is affected by the black threads at the start of the act but we have dialogue telling us the situation is getting worse and the points where the screen goes grey and we see the tremors and the threads growing agitated is meant to convey that

There is a clear sense of urgency

“Things are getting worse we need to move fast” is basically what Hornet says to the Shamans

[near jasper]

And shakra

And pavo

And basically everyone

[stray grove]

I mean yes it’s not exactly subtle

[near jasper]

"we're all going to die extremely soon"-the fleas

[stray grove]

But no apparently Hornet does the entire act in 5 minutes including all the time spent traveling and then takes three business days fighting LL so everything gets destroyed anyway

[foggy stratus]

There's a meme I would post here if I had it on me.

[civic elm]

Exactly

No time passes while you are in the memories

If you go to green prince

And do memory him

No time passes

[near jasper]

Seth:

[civic elm]

Maybe the whoke time passing happens when we where in red memory

[civic elm]

Oh

Wait you people are right

[stray grove]

ts is just rage bait

[civic elm]

How did I forgot

My bad

[near jasper]

Yeah seth basically confirms some time passes in memories since he only appears after nyleth dies lol

[stray grove]

We know that from HK anyway

After the WD fights Ogrim comments on TK being passed out for a while

[civic elm]

This is a different kind of getting into memories

[stray grove]

No it’s identical the method is just different

[civic elm]

Even tho in hk the god master changes posses also

[stray grove]

Time still passes in the dream expanse

[civic elm]

Oh we can experiencr pantheons in silksong?

[near jasper]

Maybe

[civic elm]

Maybe we can enter our memories

[near jasper]

It would be weird to implement lore wise but it is the most requested feature so theyre probably planning something

[civic elm]

It cant happen

Also this question is kinda more hollow knighty

Is hallownest on the edge of the world

As kingdom's edge is descriped like that

[near jasper]

No

Kingdom's edge is the edge of hallownest, theres wastelands past it

Pharloom is more likely to be in the edge of the world as its connected to sea

[civic elm]

Ok

[kindred ingot]

the map in Weavenest Cindril shows paths going to all directions, so it's probably just a saltwater lake

[worn stone]

what if the world is round and there is no edge

[foggy stratus]

Its a cavern type world.

[near jasper]

Or the paths went underground below the shore

[kindred ingot]

that would still mean there's more world after the sea

[near jasper]

Yeah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730725141524512839/1489297136989507785/attachment.gif

Oh wait I dont have embeds nvm

[elfin shard]

Is the "sea of sorrow" that pharloom is connected to salt or freshwater? (Or is it just not clarified?)

[near jasper]

Salt

Weavenest murglin says the waters are salty

[elfin shard]

Alr so likely ocean?

[near jasper]

yeah

[craggy smelt]

there's references to 'salt-stricken waters'

sounds pretty salty

[foggy stratus]

Nah its probably sugar.

[craggy smelt]

there should be sugar in the game somewhere

bugs go nuts for that stuff

[foggy stratus]

Sweetness exists according to Hunter's journal.

The HK one not SK

And Mossberries are sweet.

Theory. The Steel Masters are to the Ancient Civilization what Ceaser's Legion from Fallout Negmw Vegas are to The Roman Empire. A bunch of low rank cosplayers.

[craggy smelt]

sugar crystals, forming in a cave somewhere, from the sap of roots, mined by bugs

hee

[craggy smelt]

they seem like heavy enough hitters that they probably aren't just your average dorks

I am wondering if they might not be higher beings though

but bugs that have figured out some cool stuff

like snails

[foggy stratus]

Ceaser's Legion was able to fight the NCR. I'm just suggesting they might be copying the AC. "Larpers" as some would call them ig.

[craggy smelt]

this is 'fallout lore', with which i am unfamiliar, because i only know lore from hk

it's gross to know lore from other games i say

i do hope that they have more knowledge from AC and that we get to learn about it when we go to steel town

[near jasper]

it's gross to know lore i say

[foggy stratus]

Basic run down:
The NCR is a democracy based in Post-apocalyptic California(NCR=New California Republic) and they're basically the Government in the Mojave wasteland and surrounding areas.
Ceaser's Legion is made and ran by someone claiming to be a son of Mars, Roman God of War and basically just Ares reskin. Ceaser's Legion is a recreation of the Roman Empire just without everything that made Rome, well, Rome except the military.

So I'm basically calling the Steel Masters a shitty recreation of the AC, except they can fuck shit up since they apparently have Void stuff.

Using the Arcane Egg as a standard item of value, we can gather that the Rosaries of Pharloom have twice the buying power as Geo from Hallownest. Arcane Egg sells for 600 Rosaries and 1200 Geo.

[craggy smelt]

math? I hate that stuff

[craggy smelt]

I would prefer that the AC be older than Steel Society, and even they don't really know what happened to it, working off of incomplete Void lore

though I have also been wondering about the possibility of 'ancient shades' born from AC bugs, and whether they have any connection

since the Knight (vessel/shade) reminds Jinn of the masters

[foggy stratus]

Steel Society is led by escaped Vessels....

[sinful nimbus]

Sharpe and Co. wiped out the entire Ancient Civilization on their own

Would be the tuffest upscale ever

[spark valve]

bro think he a fatalis

[sinful nimbus]

Almost as tuff as seeing a compressed White Lady

[covert night]

eharpe assassinated pale king trust

[sinful nimbus]

I mean he did meddle with void

[foggy stratus]

"I killed the Shade Lord!"
"Sharpe that was a Shadow Creeper."

[craggy smelt]

pale king was assassinated for stealing buzzsaw tech from steel town

[sinful nimbus]

It puts itself in a distortion = Twisted spaces

[craggy smelt]

finally

i been waiting for those

[edgy nebula]

sharpe probably neg diffs the masters hes just humble like that

[uneven narwhal]

I’m kinda confused, since hornet “slayed” th granny silk how come in third act there’s still enemies (like pilgrims) are still fighting you? Shouldn’t they be free? I get that there’s void but why is all of them are still in control

[silent tapir]

I think that's cause the void took over all of the silk threads granny was in possession of and kinda stoke her place? Idk that's my theory though

[silent tapir]

Stole*

[uneven narwhal]

But shouldn’t it make all of them to be voided? (Like when the void takes them over an they get new attacks)

[craggy smelt]

Silk wasn't killed, she was banished down into the Abyss - her silk threads are still everywhere and still connected to her
the Void follows the threads to reach Pharloom, but I guess not every single strand is corrupted yet, so some enemies are just regular Haunted instead of black-threaded

[uneven narwhal]

Ohh aight I get it now

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[near jasper]

Overgrown pilgrim

[dire lynx]

large flea

[foggy stratus]

"Plump, lazy creature. This one has taken so long on its climb to whatever they seek that the Moss of the Low Lands has seen their shell fit to take over. Never before have I seen such a disappointment, even in other societies."-The Hunter

[foggy stratus]

"In my treks in and around the Citadel's higher regions I've often heard the pained howls of some large creature. Sadly for me my large body is unable to access the highest reaches of this damned building, so I can only wonder what Beast lay above..."-The Hunter

[dire lynx]

i like that alot actually

[near jasper]

Is Hornet binding the weavers canibalistic

[unreal barn]

Do people who think the middle shade in the act 3 ending is THK still exist?

[dire lynx]

its the knight

thk is unaccounted for throughout silksong

[twin dragon]

schrodinger's thk

[kindred ingot]

THK is DEAD

[unreal barn]

i saw many people say it's THK and it's ticking me off

[twin dragon]

people that havent played hk

[kindred ingot]

it's not, THK's shade is not like that

[unreal barn]

ik

[kindred ingot]

Ghost's shade purposefully looks like the younger Hollow Knight, but they're NOT the same shade

[unreal barn]

IK.

[zinc dove]

Guys, why did mother silk want the weavers' silk (and thus capturing Hornet)? From what I understand, the weavers locked mother silk in the citadel so they could reign by themselves. When did it fall off?

[twin dragon]

when they gave it to the conductors

from then they ruled for a bit

[kindred ingot]

cuz the regular bugs took all her silk

[twin dragon]

till their greed eventually made them forget their purpose and the citadel failed

[kindred ingot]

I mean, most of her silk

that's why she's so weak

[twin dragon]

either that or revenge

she's very despotic

[zinc dove]

couldn't she take her silk back? Or it was too spread out
Kinda like an open wound

[unreal barn]

Then silk became advertised like the stuff from that Miracle Cream short

[kindred ingot]

it was deep inside every bug's shell

[twin dragon]

she has been loomed for generations

[kindred ingot]

she'd have to un-enslave every bug in Pharloom to get her silk back

[zinc dove]

So she had a reign of terror basically, making her weak

[kindred ingot]

and she doesn't do that cuz 1 - she's weakened and that sounds hard, and 2 - she doesn't want to lose her power over the bugs of Pharloom

[zinc dove]

And that's when the weavers took over?

[kindred ingot]

no, I'm talking about the present

Weavers took over after they changed the song they played to make GMS fall asleep forever

[zinc dove]

I see

[kindred ingot]

and then the Weavers gave the power to the Conductors, who then proceeded to fumble an entire civilization

[zinc dove]

It's hard to keep up with the lore XD

[kindred ingot]

yeah, ik

[zinc dove]

I see, so maybe it was the conductors who impossed the authoritarian rule of mindless bug workers who couldn't die since they had silk inside their shell?

[kindred ingot]

yeah, exactly

they basically outlawed death

and they used GMS's silk to ensure no bug would ever die

after hundreds of years, every bug in Pharloom was full of GMS's silk

and then GMS woke up and started controlling her silk again, enslaving every bug in Pharloom

[zinc dove]

aight that solves the timeline I was mixing up, thx

[kindred ingot]

you're welcome :]

[dire lynx]

fastest way to regain her strength after being sealed and drained of silk for so long

[dire lynx]

the weavers are the ones who set alot of the worst parts of the citadel up. eg, whiteward, slavery of the slab flies, the pilgrimage itself(infinite slave glitch), pollution of bilewater etc

the conductors were the ones to set the core and automation of the citadel in motion however

[kindred ingot]

they polluted Bilewater? I thought that was a Conductor thing

[dire lynx]

the organ in its current state is of conductor make, but even from the weaver age they needed a place to dump the waste of the citadel/underworks/whiteward

[kindred ingot]

I don't think Underworks existed back then

nor the Citadel as we know it

[dire lynx]

probably started in the ducts, which is why its fully empty of stilkin

[kindred ingot]

there's that one really old statue in Vaults that talks about a "Citadel of Stone", so the Citadel was probably way smaller when the Weavers controlled it

and that same statue talks about all pilgrims being equal, so Underworks was also not a thing

[dire lynx]

im aware of the stone citadel, being made of stone doesnt mean you suddenly arent making waste

[dire lynx]

weavers are liars and manipulators

[kindred ingot]

I mean, yes

But

...
Idk, that's just my interpretation of what the status said

[dire lynx]

the conductors and other high stationed pilgrims were already part of the citadels system of governance even before the weavers left

[kindred ingot]

I dont see a reason why it would be lying

[kindred ingot]

The Conductors became part of the government the moment the Weavers left

[dire lynx]

no, they became the heads of the citadel when the weavers started dying out

[kindred ingot]

Didn't the Weavers just leave?

[dire lynx]

no

the ones that left did so before the creation of the citadel

[kindred ingot]

There's a lore Tablet talking about how the common bugs were now fully in control of the Choir and that Weavers wouldn't need to do anything anymore

[dire lynx]

Last words of the Weavers.

"Sisters, spiders, the burden is passed. These simple bugs shall bear it full. Never to cease. Never to silence.

We shall die, and wait, and pray, that one may come of silken strength enough to weave us free."

the citadel weavers were nearing the ends of their lives so handed control to their underlings to perpetuate gms' captivity

[kindred ingot]

I think that implies the Weavers started dying AFTER the conductors took over the Citadel

[whole holly]

There is a 1 in 256 chance that Sea of sorrow releases today!

[kindred ingot]

Considering how they say "We SHALL die", I think they can choose when they die, and their lives don't really end normally of old age

[dire lynx]

how does that follow

i shall die some day

you shall die some day

[twin dragon]

yeah they kinda did

[kindred ingot]

They say it like "the burden is passed, AND SO we shall die"

[twin dragon]

start dying after giving control

how else would they pass the burden otherwise

if their asses are dead

[sinful nimbus]

The burden is passed because they're dying

[kindred ingot]

Like they're finally free to rest now that there's no burden to be burdened

[sinful nimbus]

Ballador says their rule was claimed from Pharloom's "fading children"

[twin dragon]

They end up dying after doesnt matter

[sinful nimbus]

Ruling is also a burden

[twin dragon]

conductors didnt see it that way

[kindred ingot]

Yeah exactly, and now they don't have to do that

[dire lynx]

they did LMAO

literally ever time you talk with ballador

[sinful nimbus]

But the words... How hollow they echoed. The mantle of rule, claimed greedily from Pharloom's fading first children, those bitter Weavers... it was yoke, not crown.
Now, in our Citadel's silence, we share their truth. Only one monarch's claws ever clutched this kingdom, though we raised our voices to cry otherwise
Only later on thtough

[dire lynx]

The mantle of conductor weighs heavy. Had I known the cost before its bearing, would I have accepted the duty?

[twin dragon]

Blah blah the mantle weighs heavy and the fucking giant waterfalls n gilded halls arent a thing

[sinful nimbus]

So the weavers slowly died out and the conductors took over and the burden was passed idk what the discussion really is about

[twin dragon]

That's his realization once he himself starts to fade

[sinful nimbus]

Its just so hard being rich 💔

[twin dragon]

Discussing how peak sun and violin are

[foggy fractal]

suffering from success 💔

[sinful nimbus]

Won't someone think about the struggles Elon Musk endures every single day

[twin dragon]

mmm.. ketamine

[dire lynx]

sashimi thought the reavers ran off

[twin dragon]

part of them did

[dire lynx]

so i was explaining that was a different group much earlier

[twin dragon]

most of them

[sinful nimbus]

Yea

[twin dragon]

but not the ones that kept the citadel

[dire lynx]

they were talking about the citadel weavers

[sinful nimbus]

Plea of a Weaver from the furthest edge of Pharloom.
"Flee, sisters. Flee until your strength exhausts, so far you may escape at last her silken sight.

To start anew, to sustain, free of web and service eternal."
Cindril fled GMS back before she was sealed and that's why there are weavers outside of Pharloom (Herrah included)

[whole holly]

it is sad that there are 8 weaver spires and 6 weaver names in game(not counting herrah and hornet because obviously and askar because it is file-name only)

[pearl cloak]

Hi

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[near jasper]

Shadow charger

[dire lynx]

voltvyrm

[foggy stratus]

"In the deepest reaches of these lands I've dared to venture, far below where most beings would ever dream to venture, I've seen this odd, unnerving... thing. It is somehow worse than its smaller form... I do not like it."-The Hunter

[foggy stratus]

"A creature in the simplest sense of the word. Hardly alive and lacking anything edible. Yet the use of electricity in it's attacks. If only I could harness this."-The Hunter.

[dire lynx]

yago

[whole holly]

Grand Mother Silk

[foggy stratus]

"In my travels through this land I have seen on odd string drive otherwise peaceful creatures to violence.... In my life, I have only seen one other force similar to this, and that drove a Kingdom to destruction. Is this string also the cause of Pharloom's fall?"-The Hunter

[limpid summit]

Either this or he would muse about motherhood in a tuff manner

[foggy stratus]

I feel like this would be similar to the Warrior Dream or Grimmkin Entries where its like a quote or something tbh.

[limpid summit]

Something about him never knowing his mother wondering if she’s searching and the lengths she would go

Yeah idk how they would do the Karaka

Or the Verdania enemies

[foggy stratus]

I was kinda aiming for something similar to the Radiance entry.

[limpid summit]

I like it

Bell Eater
“Corpses of mythical giants are strewn all around this land. If any were to have survived, they must have been driven far away. Or deep underground…”

[foggy stratus]

My favorite one I've done so far is First Sinner. Basically it goes something like "I've been hearing about 'Weavers' who used to rule this land. How were simple weavers able to conquer and rule this entire region?"

[limpid summit]

How would you write Lost Lace with Hunter not knowing about Void

[dire lynx]

hunter wasnt from hallownest was he?

[foggy stratus]

I dunno.

[limpid summit]

Tuff

No he’s not

He says a true hunter has no home or something so he probably arrived here later

[dire lynx]

damn, was gonna say he couldve talked about garro for the karaka entry

[foggy stratus]

Well according to the Shadow Charger entry I wrote he had to have gotten down to the Abyss so he'd just ponder on the Void for that entry.

[dire lynx]

im curious to learn more about the hunters

[limpid summit]

Unn had Nuu and she got his mark

Wouldn’t be much of a trek

What’s the strongest enemy Hunter has defeated

[foggy stratus]

Hmm.

[limpid summit]

He’s been up the spire and defeated a few watcher knights

Off the dome

[foggy stratus]

Great Husk Sentry is a contender ig.

[limpid summit]

Yeah honedlty

[foggy stratus]

Maybe if he's been around long enough he's capped a Kingsmold or two, but i doubt it.

[twin dragon]

hunter killed the radiance actually

[foggy stratus]

[twin dragon]

i know this because he told me

[paper mantle]

Do you think the masks are based on a Pale Being?

[foggy stratus]

No.

[edgy nebula]

theyre connected to them but probably not based off of the visage of one

[sonic dagger]

yo my homie got a server we need 27 more people to join its in my bio does anyone wanna join

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/folk-druski-sona-instagram-instagram-meme-gif-18271404859547050805

No advertisement

[near jasper]

I think he met his mother no?

He lived With siblings at a point so I feel like he would have met his mother

"When I was young, my brothers and sisters and I would hunt each other in the nest. Now I hunt alone."

If you live in a nest you should have met your mother

[sinful nimbus]

replace every instance of Hornet saying she loves fluffy things or that an enemy would make for a good pet with an anecdote of him battling his pets like in the God Tamer entry

[foggy fractal]

how about just replace hornet's journal with hunter's altogether

would 1. get rid of those slabfly entries and 2. get rid of "A crude construct of my father's fallen domain. Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding."

[sinful nimbus]

It should've been Nuu 😔

[foggy fractal]

if only

[near jasper]

We should get nuu's cookbook for the bugs of pharloom as merch

[sinful nimbus]

Wanderer's Journal spiritual successor

I'd buy it

[foggy fractal]

are you sure

what if it just fucks up the lore again

[sinful nimbus]

How tf would Nuu do that

I have faith in her

[foggy fractal]

dawg

TC will find a way

[near jasper]

Nuu's cookbook explaining how void is actually edible

And high in fiber

[sinful nimbus]

ig if Lifeblood is involved

[near jasper]

The reason nuu leaves pharloom is because silk tastes horrible

Does unravelled's silk get destroyed after we kill gms

[limpid summit]

I would get tired of her writing style icl

[sinful nimbus]

They could tone it down

[limpid summit]

True

I would have said it would be an amnesiac Seth detailing everything

But that’s just dead Act 3

Wow a WJ would have to have an actual story with progression because of the acts

[near jasper]

Team cherry will write a story we're doomed

[covert night]

hornet herself writing the entries was a good idea

but it is a potential man

tc messed it up

[covert night]

i just realized the kingsmould entry is such a nothingburger

[near jasper]

I had to check if one of the entries was copy and pasted during my playthrough

[craggy smelt]

I didn't want to wait for an official one, so I made my own
#hk-art-gallery message

[kindred ingot]

Wingmould, not Kingsmould
but anyway, I kinda like it cuz it shows that the Pale King is STUPID

[sinful nimbus]

Moreso shows that Hornet doesn't remember the wingmoulds kingsmoulds or the hollow knight

[kindred ingot]

she does remember, that's why she knows it was stupid to even try to make them

[craggy smelt]

I think she just has unresolved resentful sentiments towards her father

[kindred ingot]

that too

but tbh she's right

her father IS stupid

[near jasper]

Its in her genes

[craggy smelt]

"That's my girl."

[sinful nimbus]

OK but all of those did his bidding

She's not criticizing his hubris in trying to make an eternal kingdom or anything she's literally just wrong

[kindred ingot]

the Wingmoulds do NOTHING, the Kingsmoulds all died (and killed him btw), and the Hollow Knight broke

[sinful nimbus]

Do you know what bidding means

THK breaking doesn't mean it didn't obey him

Kingsmoulds didn't kill him that's fanon and were his servants which means they also did his bidding

We don't know what Wingsmoulds are even for but that's kinda besides the point

[kindred ingot]

a theory is different from "fanon"

[sinful nimbus]

""theory""

[kindred ingot]

it is a valid theory

[sinful nimbus]

Why would they kill him

[craggy smelt]

I think it's that, having just seen an attempt to utilize the Void blow up and devour an entire kingdom, she's more soured on the notion of using it at all
like "yes, you might have your cute little constructs, but using the Death Magic That Kills Everything is always going to end badly eventually."

[kindred ingot]

they stopped working, died, and the Void leaked and killed him cuz that's what Void does

[kindred ingot]

she's right tho

every attempt at using Void either ended up in nothing or in someone dying horribly

[sinful nimbus]

The nearest Kingsmould is pretty far from him and void is pacified through bright lights like the king anyway

[foggy fractal]

I guess rad did die pretty horribly 🤔

[sinful nimbus]

Also this kinda brings up the question of why they died

[kindred ingot]

1 - the nearest dead Kingsmould is right next to that room
2 - the room has Void particles
3 - you pull out the Lantern in that room, meaning it is dark there

[sinful nimbus]

Void particles aren't uh hostile

[craggy smelt]

its like Hornet saw a nuke go off
and everyone's trying to argue that the nuke-powered robots work so nukes are fine, actually

[kindred ingot]

they're Void, and Void is hostile

[sinful nimbus]

Clearly not

You can boot up the game right now and walk near a void particle its not hostile

[kindred ingot]

Void particles indicate that Void is there

Void is hostile

[sinful nimbus]

There is leftover void from the dead kingsmoulds nearby yes but it is not concentrated enough to be hostile and void is not hostile towards bright lights anyway

[kindred ingot]

and I'm pretty sure that if you stay on a room filled with Void particles for long enough you'll end up inhaling them and dying from Void in your lungs

[kindred ingot]

the Radiance:

[sinful nimbus]

Bro what

Void isn't like a toxic material

[kindred ingot]

uh... it kinda is

Void kills

it is pretty much the opposite of life

[sinful nimbus]

Radiance is only harmed by the void AFTER the light surrounding her is dispelled through us beating her up, in the phase transition between the ground to the platforms you can literally see her regaining her light halo and dispelling the void like ???

[kindred ingot]

not Void Tendrils, Void itself is toxic and can kill

[sinful nimbus]

Also we're directly commanding it with Void Heart

Rad wouldn't die to a sea of void under normal circumstances

[foggy fractal]

I mean wouldn't pk be fine anyways

[sinful nimbus]

OK but there's no evidence for this and there are multiple people who spend time in ancient basin or even enter the abyss and are fine

[kindred ingot]

okay name them

[sinful nimbus]

Cornifer Ellina Hornet

[near jasper]

And hunter

[sinful nimbus]

Its said to be the cradle of hallownest's civilization cmon

[kindred ingot]

Cornifer is Cornifer, Hornet is half Weaver half God, and who's Ellina?

[sinful nimbus]

The ancient civilization spent time there too

[near jasper]

From the book

[sinful nimbus]

Void was kinda their whole thing

[kindred ingot]

Hunter's been there?

[sinful nimbus]

bro what

[near jasper]

The basin yes

[foggy fractal]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Ellina_the_Chronicler

[sinful nimbus]

Dude "half god" Hornet has immunity to the void but not her full god father?

Who do you think her dad is 😭

[foggy fractal]

pale king?

[sinful nimbus]

Also "cornifer is cornifer" isn't a serious explanation

[foggy fractal]

🤔

[near jasper]

Wrong its zote

[foggy fractal]

darn

[kindred ingot]

Hornet didn't straight up enter the Abyss, she just stayed at the door

[sinful nimbus]

OK?

[near jasper]

Silksong:

[sinful nimbus]

She's still nearby void particles

[kindred ingot]

and all those people entered the Basin, then left after some amount of time

PK stayed in that room since Hallownest's downfall

[sinful nimbus]

Ellina goes to the bottom of the abyss and encounters siblings and doesn't die due to void poisoning

No one dies from void poisoning its not a thing that exists you made it up

[near jasper]

That room Isnt even in basin

[kindred ingot]

that... is true

[foggy fractal]

maybe ellina is just very op

[near jasper]

Its in the dream realm

[sinful nimbus]

Did it have void particles inside all that time

[kindred ingot]

there are Void Particles there which indicated Void, and there are dead and leaking Kingsmoulds next to that room

[kindred ingot]

for a good chunk of it, yes

[near jasper]

If pk was alive when the kingsmoulds near him died wouldnt he just replace them with new ones

[sinful nimbus]

There are still kingsmoulds in operation the ones nearby PK probably just deactivated after he died cuz they had no real goal

[sinful nimbus]

No he's just stupid I guess

[kindred ingot]

...that is a good argument
however
Pale King is stupid and that is a plot-relevant character trait

[sinful nimbus]

Guy who spent a ton of time studying void forgot that it was toxic and just died to it cuz that would be fantastic writing

[foggy fractal]

pale king is fine he doesn't have void leaking out of him
unless someone came by and like wiped the tears off of him

[sinful nimbus]

Is it

[foggy fractal]

house keeping

[sinful nimbus]

When is that ever relevant to the plot

[kindred ingot]

okay sure, then what killed him?

if not Void, what was it?

[sinful nimbus]

Sharpe

[near jasper]

Liver failure

[foggy fractal]

holy aura

[sinful nimbus]

Suicide/Grief are the most likely explanations imo but who cares void certainly wasn't it

[foggy stratus]

Is it a PK death debate again?

[foggy fractal]

sharpe stocks are so high right now

[near jasper]

Yep

[kindred ingot]

when he, yknow, was completely wrong about how Void fundamentally works and thought it was a good idea to fill a dead child's corpse with it and try to seal the Radiance inside it

[foggy fractal]

is pk death debate one of the big three discourses for hollow knight

I'm not og enough to know

[kindred ingot]

I mean, Pale King dying to the very thing he trusted his kingdom with would be good writing

[sinful nimbus]

That did work for quite some time and the dude clearly studied the stuff idk why you'd suggest he arrived to that conclusion out of stupidity

"He made a mistake so he was stupid"

[kindred ingot]

when I already marked D four times in a row but those are the 3 other options:

[gentle aspen]

getting real tired of this “pk was stupid” thing getting parroted by people who have the benefit of hindsight and the kingdom’s destruction

[sinful nimbus]

tuff

but actually what does that even have to say about anything

Void wasn't like the death of his kingdom or anything

[foggy fractal]

also what does pk being dumb for using the void say about the knight

[kindred ingot]

Void failing was

[foggy fractal]

is the knight stupid

[sinful nimbus]

OK but the driving force would be Rad

I think if you wanted to take this angle Rad would be the far more reasonable pick

[kindred ingot]

yes but for unrelated reasons (opening a bank account)

[spark valve]

(And also a totally rudimentary understanding at best of the plot)

[foggy stratus]

PK was obviously a STEM major since he was able to make at least one buzzsaw.

[kindred ingot]

I mean, every time he used Void it either did nothing or killed someone, so I guess that should have sent a message

[foggy stratus]

Like actually.

[sinful nimbus]

what

Void did do something (The Kingsmoulds prove it could be used to animate shells in combination with an essance imprint) and it never killed anybody as far as he was concerned?

[kindred ingot]

he made the Collector, it killed the Lovekey Bug
he sent a guy to the Abyss to watch over the lighthouse, the guy died
every kid he sent down the Abyss died instantly

[foggy stratus]

It might have killed Love Key bug tho.

[foggy stratus]

Collector probably didnt kill Love Key Bug. Lighthouse Bug probably died to natural causes.

[sinful nimbus]

There's no reason for him to be aware of Lovekey Bug
Lighthouse Bug died when he was absent, read its dreamnail dialogue
The vessels were intentional on his part, that was the goal

[near jasper]

Are silkflies haunted?

[sinful nimbus]

"PK was stupid because the void did what he expected it to"

[foggy stratus]

They're made of Silk. They're haunting incarnate.

[kindred ingot]

the Lighthouse Bug has Void coming out of their eyes, and Lovekey Bug's dreamnail dialogue talks about the Collector (and they have Void coming out of them)

[near jasper]

I feel like the guy obsessed with keeping things safe wouldnt kill a bug

[sinful nimbus]

What lovekey bug did was have its mind merged with the collector

Which was kinda the goal with the vessels

[kindred ingot]

I thought the whole Collector thing was an experiment he did to test Void's abilities or smth

[sinful nimbus]

So even if he was for some reason aware of The Collector it would still be reasonable to go through with the plan

[near jasper]

We dont know

[sinful nimbus]

Collector was probably a Kingsmould that the Lovekey bug got its hands on in one way or another

[kindred ingot]

...dammit, I'm running out of arguments

[sinful nimbus]

Then through prolonged contact without the armor their minds merged and it went insane

[kindred ingot]

okay, I'm wrong about... uh... what was I arguing for again?

oh yeah, Pale King being stupid

[sinful nimbus]

slandering the glorious godking

[finite wind]

Yeah you're wrong

[foggy fractal]

hornet's dialoge of "A crude construct of my father's fallen domain. Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding." isn't wrong because pk was killed by void

[foggy stratus]

Maybe you're running out of arguments because your stance is objectively just wrong and flawed.

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah anyways how would Hornet even know that pk died due to void

[kindred ingot]

yeah ik I've accepted it already

I'm in the wrong

[foggy stratus]

He didnt?

[foggy fractal]

hypothetically

for the sake of the argument

etc

y'know lets be thorough

[kindred ingot]

actually it was "[allat] isn't wrong because PK's attempt at using the Void went horribly wrong", and then that became "Pale King was killed by Void"

and then "Pale King is stupid"

[finite wind]

Actually, what does hornet know about the PK's death

[kindred ingot]

she doesn't

[finite wind]

Does she even know he's dead

Or does she just think he vanished

[kindred ingot]

as far as she knows, PK just disappeared someday

[sinful nimbus]

doesn't take too much to infer it tbf

[kindred ingot]

as far as Hornet is concerned, Higher Beings just disappear when things get tough

[near jasper]

I think us getting the kingsoul gives away that pk is dead (to Hornet)

[finite wind]

He could still be around in the dream realm

[finite wind]

Maybe

[kindred ingot]

I think it gives away that he's still in Hallownest, either his corpse or him still alive

[finite wind]

Not necessarily

[kindred ingot]

since White Lady is still alive and she gives us the White Fragment

all she knows is "Pale King never left Hallownest"

his status as a living thing is completely unknown to her

[near jasper]

Wait why was kingsoul broken into 2 again?

I forgot

[kindred ingot]

the divorce

the Kingsoul represents PK's and WL's marriage

when they broke up, the charm broke too

[near jasper]

How did they safely break apart a charm that contains infinite soul inside itself

[kindred ingot]

they didn't, the charm just did that (probably)

it's magic

things just happens sometimes and you gotta deal with it

[near jasper]

Does the haunting make things agressive

[kindred ingot]

yes

[near jasper]

Why is working a priority over agressiveness even to strangers

Like last judge lets sherma in

[kindred ingot]

GMS liked the system the Weavers implemented and decided to keep it that way

[near jasper]

And the craw system ig

[kindred ingot]

GMS likes fair trials that end in death of one or both parties

[finite wind]

Hey guys

[near jasper]

Hi

[finite wind]

Good question that came up in chat

[kindred ingot]

howdy

[finite wind]

Where did hornet get the red pigments for her cloak

There's nothing red in HK from what I remember

[kindred ingot]

the blood of her enemies

[near jasper]

Bell eater milking

[finite wind]

Bugs in this game don't bleed and bug blood is not red iirc

[near jasper]

Deepnest does have centipedes

[kindred ingot]

then idk

leaked from the Red Memory

[finite wind]

What about them

[near jasper]

_

[finite wind]

But that's a mythical creature from silksong...

[near jasper]

Is it mythical?

[finite wind]

Yes

[kindred ingot]

it is the main character of some myths

[finite wind]

In lore it's one of the most powerful beings

[near jasper]

Its just a really big centipede

[kindred ingot]

Bell Eater is like the Loch Ness Monster but for bugs

[near jasper]

When they make silksong plus for the Nintendo Power they should add more bellvein lore

[kindred ingot]

an impenetrable centipede that can spit exploding balls of body fluids from both sides, feeds on bells, and sleeps in the bottom of the bottomless bellways

[near jasper]

Bellveins are so weird

Theres just 4 vesselsinabyss™ amount of bells in caves with no explanation

[kindred ingot]

the ancient bugs of Pharloom thought it was a good idea to fill most of the caves in the world with an unholy amount of bells

and then use the only species that managed to survive that hellscape as means of transportation

[near jasper]

What about the bellhart furry guys

[kindred ingot]

the Furms?

[near jasper]

Ye

[kindred ingot]

yeah I forgot about them

[near jasper]

How did they even evolve in a way to keep their wings they can climb and live in very tight tunnels

[kindred ingot]

a grand total of 3 species survived the ungodly amount of bells
1 of them is a hellish monster, 1 is useless, and 1 is a conveniently friendly invincible beast

[kindred ingot]

they probably didn't evolve for the Bellways, they just evolved for an environment that conveniently looks a lot like the Bellways

like Sands of Karak, with all the corals and tight tunnels

[near jasper]

I have a theory that styx uses the Bellvein going to bilewater to travel

How are bellways safer than ventricas

[kindred ingot]

Bell Beast is very reliable

[near jasper]

You're running through millions of metal bells that deal double damage what could you possibly do to make ventricas more unsafe

[kindred ingot]

it's like trains vs elevators

when a train breaks, you're fucked, but elevators break way more

(except they don't, that's where the allegory stops)

[near jasper]

Why are there pilgrim bodies inside the Bellveins in bellhart with strung up rosaries

[kindred ingot]

idk, i'm not omniscient
some guy died there, be grateful that they had money

[near jasper]

Bellhart throwing 500 dead pilgrims into the bellveins instead of the shellwood graveyard right besides them

[kindred ingot]

they were probably never found

[near jasper]

Is the bellshrine older or younger than the bells its hidden inside

[kindred ingot]

I have no idea

probably younger

no wait for sure younger

obviously

[near jasper]

3rd architect deciding to build a shrine inside the bellveins (she was later thrown in the shredders in underworks for Being stupid)

[kindred ingot]

why do people call the Architects "she"s? they're robots

they don't have a gender

[near jasper]

Because theyre hot

Obvs

[foggy fractal]

and men can't?

🤔

hollow knight WOKEsong...

[near jasper]

Only in hallownest

[foggy fractal]

shame

[kindred ingot]

ok. and?

[blissful harbor]

it has a feminine voice actor, as well as the headdress resembling hair would be my guess

[kindred ingot]

are you implying that agender people can't be hot?

[kindred ingot]

Sherma:

[blissful harbor]

…is sherma a guy

[kindred ingot]

YES

[near jasper]

Yeah

[blissful harbor]

well anyways
there is no denying twelfth architects voice is high pitched

sherma is child like and innocent on purpose makes sense

[kindred ingot]

high pitched voice does not equal woman