sk-lore

[stray grove]

PK is obviously pro choice because he’s the goat but the Vessel project is the wrong evidence for that

The dude explicitly respected people’s autonomy

WL is probably pro life because she’s evil

[limpid summit]

The radiance is pro death

Everyone will die

What’s the most powerful individual prime GMS beats

[spark valve]

uuuh

maybe hornet

[elfin comet]

Me

[stray grove]

Hornet

[elfin comet]

what is prime gms beats actually

[sinful nimbus]

prime GMS like she was stronger in the past

[elfin comet]

oohh nvm i get it

[spark valve]

when she actually had silk probably

[elfin comet]

Prime gms and beats are 2 different things

[stray grove]

Does she beat PV

[spark valve]

nah

[elfin comet]

i mean probably oneof the 3 like past rulers of pharloom

[stray grove]

She no diffs all of those

None of them even attempted to fight her she was too powerful

Big fish small pond

[elfin comet]

i cant really think of many powerful characters in pharloom other than gms and weavers

[stray grove]

I think it’s just Hornet

[elfin comet]

greyroot too

[stray grove]

There weren’t any

Greyroot isn’t that strong either

[elfin comet]

is that really prime gms?

[limpid summit]

Hell no

I think we forget PV can just teleport

[stray grove]

Well obviously we don’t know the extent of prime GMS’ abilities but she still got sealed by the Weavers

[elfin comet]

i mean, itt kinda is

[stray grove]

Now you could argue that wasn’t her in her prime either and that her prime would refer to her prior to expending silk to make them

In which case we literally have no idea how strong she was

But the weavers are individually powerful and each got only a fraction of her silk

I think such a GMS would easily defeat Hornet

[spark valve]

https://tenor.com/view/we-fresh-prince-of-bel-air-uncle-phil-laughing-gif-14265593291314980195

[stray grove]

PV is another story perhaps but I don’t think it’s as simple as it seems

Also everyone can teleport Apple

[spark valve]

except hornet

[stray grove]

Bum ass scholars can do it

[spark valve]

pv is bigger stronger faster better at magic

[stray grove]

Hornet takes down a vastly weaker GMS

[foggy fractal]

also better writing

[stray grove]

I think prime GMS as in prior to making the Weavers would beat PV honestly

[spark valve]

this is a godhome boss

[stray grove]

We have no idea what her upper limit is though

But she was strong enough to resist the void for quite a long time even with 99.9% of her silk expended and in such a state caused earth shattering tremors with her thrashing (even if it wasn’t just her)

She’s a fraud but she’s still a deity

[foggy fractal]

I mean still better than slabfly journal entries and "A crude construct of my father's fallen domain. Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding." no ?

[sinful nimbus]

PV's usage of spells is tuff

[stray grove]

I guess what I’m saying is 100% GMS is probably a force to be reckoned with

[spark valve]

true

[stray grove]

I don’t think her powers would be as refined as my goats or anything but her raw output would dwarf PVs

Maybe if PV got very close it could win but again there’s the PK problem where she’s probably very hard do deal meaningful damage to

Sure PV can focus too but it likely loses the battle of attrition

Honestly she could maybe take WL too

I would say she stops at prime Unn

[elfin comet]

Lets be honest unn is crazy fraud level

[stray grove]

Nah Unn is very powerful

[elfin comet]

so powerful but cant just leave the huge cave on the other side of a lake if acid

[stray grove]

In her prime she would just zap you to the dream expanse and most people couldn’t do anything about it

GMS can probably split the veil though

Almost certainly

[stray grove]

This was after she created a whole ass ecosystem

And she was also in decline likely due to a combination of factors

Also even if she could leave why would she

It’s not a great situation

[elfin comet]

i thought she was so weak because the moss kin uhh couldnt find them

i didnt know unn had more than like 3 pieces of lore 😭

[stray grove]

They can’t reach her because they’re getting conflicting dream signals from Rad not because of physical distance

It’s a dream signal

Even regular Mosskin are getting her texts if you dream nail them

They’re just confused

[elfin comet]

so if unn can send people to the dream nail why not just send gms to the sream realm

[crystal marsh]

i mean she's wrong but there's nothing saying Hornet can't be wrong

[elfin comet]

if they fought

[stray grove]

She probably could do that

But GMS could come back

The trap you in the dream expanse trick only works if the opponent has no way of splitting the veil

Basically every HB would be immune to it

[elfin comet]

”i’d just wake up”

[stray grove]

Anyway I still think Unn would win because she’d just manifest a bunch of shit into reality that would deal with her

Five trillion mosskin holding acid bazookas

Could probably restrain her with vines for good measure

[elfin comet]

gun that auto targets to gms and instantly kill her

why doesnt she just dream up more power

[spark valve]

It’s not remotely presented that way, sure she can be wrong but being wrong for no reason about something she should obviously know better about isn’t really in the realm of an unreliable narrator its just incoherent

[stray grove]

Surely if TC’s intent was to present Hornet as being in the wrong here the game would call her out for it or have her suffer some kind of consequence

[spark valve]

The point of unreliable narrators isn’t just what they’re wrong about it’s why

[stray grove]

Usually in a piece of media when a character says or does something abhorrent and it’s not challenged that argument falls flat

In that scenario the extreme conclusion to draw is actually that the creator agrees with what the message the character is conveying but I think this is just a mistake ofc

[elfin comet]

”the void cant be tamed” and then she’s dragged away to be tortured for eternity

[crystal marsh]

i mean i would at least expect her to change her mind ||in SotV||

[elfin comet]

i mean she should know the void can be tamed right because like the knight is ritht there

[crystal marsh]

the other problem is we don't actually know what she means by "can be fashioned to do their bidding"

[spark valve]

she's been in the palace, she's seen the void golems

[crystal marsh]

it's not only incoherent it's vague

[stray grove]

If you’re talking about the void thing then TC obviously expect us to agree with Hornet

Also SotV doesn’t count idk why it would

TK isn’t taming the Void it is the Void the context is completely different

[spark valve]

but like on the scale of shit wrong with ss narratively incoherence isn't really one of the biggest issues

[crystal marsh]

no

[elfin comet]

to form the void into a thing i guess

[crystal marsh]

under that definition she's wrong

[spark valve]

under any reasonable definition she's wrong and should know she's wrong

[stray grove]

Under any reasonable definition she’s wrong the context of that quote is literally the wingmould entry

Lmao

[elfin comet]

yah like

[stray grove]

She’s not just saying this

She’s specifically talking about her father’s constructs

[elfin comet]

So it’s just written poorly?

[spark valve]

about a category they fall in

[stray grove]

It is incoherent

Hornet is like clearly wrong and should know she’s wrong

Aura farming game

[foggy fractal]

larping game

[stray grove]

What actually happened here is TC forgot Kingsmoulds existed or didn’t consider the implications of them or something and wanted to write a tuff line which nobody proofread

[spark valve]

these gruesome bugs

[crystal marsh]

it's likely the latter

and it's not the only case of that

really I don't understand how these mistakes slip through the cracks even after 7 years

[foggy fractal]

just how it is with TC 😔

[stray grove]

Act 3 is horrendously rushed but a lot of shit is poorly written there is something to be said about the writing not being a priority in a MV but like damn some of that shit should not have gotten through

[crystal marsh]

one of the only MVs whose writing I fully like is...Axiom Verge

because it's obtuse but in a narratively justifiable and logical fashion

[foggy stratus]

Hopefully they'll polish it in later updates.

[foggy fractal]

I mean this is what they had to say about their writing so

[stray grove]

Tonally consistent lmao

Why are we lying

[crystal marsh]

the statement from Gibson before they mention Mossbag explains a lot

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[crystal marsh]

i don't think they intentionally tried to be bad or incoherent but they put too much faith in themselves to proofread/fact-check and didn't have a third party who was familiar with the game do exactly that

[foggy fractal]

same with Pellen's response after Ari says "It's all just open."

[crystal marsh]

which by the way is one of the fundamentals of proofreading
always get a third party who knows their shit

[foggy fractal]

😭 familiar with the game

[foggy stratus]

Like me :D

I'm a Vessel, I know my shit.

[stray grove]

You don’t need a third party man

[foggy fractal]

yeah like they should be the most familiar they wrote that shit

[stray grove]

How the hell they wrote the Slabfly entries irrespective of the circumstances then went “yeah that’s good put it in the game” is beyond me

[spark valve]

on the one hand it's possible to make some dumb mistakes
but
on the other hand I don't know how the slabfly entries happen in the first place

[foggy fractal]

clearly Tc is racist!!!!!!!!!

[elfin comet]

only logical conclusion

[foggy fractal]

at least go back and fix it if its not the intention now you just make yourselves and Hornet look bad

[foggy stratus]

Hornet has been saving up all her racism tokens and spent them all on The Slab Flies. Something something Pale Beings something something Dominion.

[foggy fractal]

tuff

[crystal marsh]

it's not even her being racist it's her private thoughts and records explicitly conflicting with who she claims herself to be in later parts of the story

[stray grove]

I have to imagine it was very early when they wrote those entries and at the time the slabflies weren’t really supposed to be people in universe and instead just like gross video game monsters or whatever which is still very 😬

[crystal marsh]

yeah so you're thinking the same thing I am

[stray grove]

Like the entry acknowledges them being born into slavery

[spark valve]

I mean no you wouldn't describe it as servitude if they were animals and not people

[foggy stratus]

Maybe she grows as a character which is why she doesn't kill the small baby fly.

[crystal marsh]

it's something from an earlier draft/concept that was left in and they either intended to remove it but never did, or didn't think about it hard enough, or both

[stray grove]

I just said that yes but it’s possible the slavery shit was added later once the citadel was fleshed out

And when they adjusted the entry to account for that they left the rest of it the same

This is genuinely the only explanation I can come up with

[elfin comet]

i mean act 2 hornet was pretty evil and hateful ngl

[stray grove]

She wasn’t

[foggy stratus]

"Hey Ari should we like change the rest of the entry?"
"No fuck you."

[spark valve]

'hey aren't these things kinda gross' 'yeah ari what should we do for the journal entries' 'hornet's probably pretty grossed out just roll with that'

[stray grove]

Hornet was never evil or hateful

[crystal marsh]

either way, it should be removed as it's a double-pronged conflict with other aspects of the game

[stray grove]

Sure but the entry literally acknowledges them being born into slavery how the hell do you manage that

[foggy stratus]

The Whispering Vaults massacre of '08:

[spark valve]

I don't know

[foggy fractal]

whatever happened to We do not choose our mothers, or the circumstance into which we are born. Despite all the ills of this world, I'm thankful for the life she granted me. 😔

[spark valve]

only pity for your cursed kind or whatever

[stray grove]

It’s also just thematically inconsistent and Hornet is never shown to act like this so like it’s bad in more ways than one

You can’t just sit down and write that

[foggy stratus]

The logical explanation is that spiders and flies have natural beef ingrained in their blood.

[foggy fractal]

we need to do a tier list of the worst botched lore in silksong

[elfin comet]

ok never is a bit of an overstatement, 100% if you threw a single punch at hornet before silksong she would obliterate you

[foggy stratus]

Three Queens in S tier.

[stray grove]

There’s no narrative reason for that

[foggy stratus]

But it would be lore accurate to our world.

[spark valve]

not really

[foggy fractal]

plus its not like the game ever address it at all like its just there 😭

[spark valve]

there are also other flies hornet isn't racist to

[stray grove]

The flies were slaves to the spiders who had a whole lot of slaves but the others are met with pity not genocidal intent

It just does not make any sense

[foggy stratus]

Eh close enough.

[stray grove]

This specific group of flies are gross and smelly so she doesn’t like them despite acknowledging that they’re born into slavery
She doesn’t discriminate against flies in general why are we making up character traits

Nor is there any evidence spiders naturally discriminate against flies or whatever it is you’re claiming

Like this is never brought up aside from these entries

There’s just no in universe reason for it beyond her personally finding them repulsive

[foggy stratus]

And getting kidnapped.

Again.

[elfin comet]

maybehornet was sponsored by a deoderant company and it’s like an ad to use deoderant or she’ll slime you for smelling bad

”they smell like shit, they should use the sponsor of today’s beastiary entry”

[stray grove]

That doesn’t have to happen and even if it does everything else literally tries to fucking murder her she doesn’t react like this
They are LITERALLY SLAVES as is everyone else they are also HAUNTED and she even acknowledges this

Like this reaction is completely disproportionate

Worst of all she tells us why she doesn’t like them

It’s not because they kidnap her she never mentions that lmao

It’s because she finds them gross

[spark valve]

slaves born into squalor and condemned to a life of desperately seeking for cleansing and redemption in the eyes of a theocracy that doesn't give a fuck about them believing they're fundamentally impure and guilty due to the completely forgotten sins of an ancient ancestor

[foggy fractal]

Seth botched
Hornet botched

who ain't botched 😔

[elfin comet]

dung defender literally lives in a pile of shit

[spark valve]

and hornet's just like "yeah I don't feel bad for em"

[stray grove]

“Why don’t they bathe”

[elfin comet]

but do they shower

[spark valve]

Sinner!
Born in filth...
No escape!

[stray grove]

Not only does she not feel bad for them she takes joy in killing them including the literal children and newborns

[foggy fractal]

they don't have the facilities for that it ain't their fault!

[stray grove]

And calls for the extermination of their species

[stiff fable]

guys

[elfin comet]

I mean there are showers in the citadelll…

[spark valve]

You! You are the sinner!
I’m clean... I’m cleaner!
I'll be cleansed...
Why was I born in the filth?
You! The filth! It’s you!
By toil... by torment...
how tc felt writing that journal entry and this dnd

[stiff fable]

what if hornets father is actually grim

[elfin comet]

only appropriate reaction

[stiff fable]

maybe grim has the ability to change shapes (like how grim turns into bats)

[elfin comet]

because their head shapes look the same?

[spark valve]

yeah hornet they smell bad and don't take baths you really got em

[stiff fable]

and the pale king made a contract with grim or smth

[elfin comet]

she’s stated to be a mix of wrym and weaver

[foggy fractal]

we really back to because they look similar they must be connected 😔

[elfin comet]

i think

[stiff fable]

yes and delvers drill and other stuff

[foggy fractal]

I don't think we see any in the slab
plus citadel just has much more things in general

[elfin comet]

prob cousins, im sure they meet at thanksgivings and stuff

[foggy fractal]

yummy thanksgiving chicken

[stray grove]

Why don’t the literal slaves in the derelict prison of a brutal theocracy characterized by the extremely poor treatment of its slaves and prisoners have access to bathing facilities

[elfin comet]

hornet was probably the one unc that spouts the craziest shi ever

[elfin comet]

fr they need to get their priorities straight

[foggy stratus]

The flies should all just go into Mt. Fey.

[stray grove]

Also obviously them being physically filthy is supposed to represent the spiritual filth they were born with but let’s say Hornet doesn’t understand that

TC did they wrote it

[elfin comet]

have we ever considered that tc is just racist to flies and this is jut them projecting onto hornet

[foggy stratus]

Yes this is obviously 100% true.

[stiff fable]

or thats whta they want you to think, what if the pale king didnt want to have a baby with herrah, so he made a contract with grim to shapeshift into him and the rest is hisory

[foggy fractal]

that would suck

[stray grove]

It’s a shitpost duh

[foggy fractal]

where are the pissposts 🤔

[stray grove]

It would make for a funny AU

[foggy fractal]

there is the phrase of taking the piss

[elfin comet]

yah

[stray grove]

Hornet with nightmare powers

[foggy stratus]

The real reason Hornet hates the Flies is because they stunk up her cloak.

[elfin comet]

do you think when hornet dies she turns into a wyrm

[stray grove]

No

That’s not how that works

[elfin comet]

because pale king was a wyrm and then turned into a bug thin

[foggy fractal]

in the case of not being captured: My sister in christ YOU WENT TO THE SLAB YOURSELF!!!

[elfin comet]

so hornet is a bug rhing andturns into a wyrm

[stiff fable]

thats not death I think

[shy magnet]

they rob her shit and then make it smell bad

ridiculous

[stiff fable]

thats a morph

[stray grove]

Hornet isn’t a wyrm and doesn’t go through the wyrm life cycle

[stiff fable]

like how caterpillars turn into butterfly

[stray grove]

When wyrms do that there’s a purpose for it and it’s also big to small

[foggy stratus]

My best guess is that TC didnt think of that outcome when writing the Slab entires.

[stray grove]

It literally does not matter

[foggy fractal]

🤔

[stray grove]

Them kidnapping her or wearing her cloak or whatever is not an in universe justification for her hatred of them

Nor is that how she justifies it

She literally never mentions that she just says she personally finds them gross

[elfin comet]

Do you think when she goes to mount fay all the shit from the slab freezes and turns into brown ice

[stray grove]

Like I said literally everyone is trying to kill her these are possessed slaves they’re not acting with autonomy

She never reacts like this

[elfin comet]

just a headcannob

[shy magnet]

"they smell bad"

[foggy fractal]

it will never end the slabfly journal discourse 😔
lace age seems to be dying out though

[elfin comet]

So, we managed to get a racist on interview with us, and uhm, lets just ask him some questions why dont we. So, lets just start off with, why sre you racist?

They smell bad.

[foggy stratus]

The only actual reason I can think of, this one isnt a joke, behind her hatred was that it was a very in the moment kind of entry she wrote and couldn't go back and change it later. This doesn't account for not getting kidnapped tho.

[elfin comet]

lace is hornet’s like

Uh

[foggy stratus]

Aunt.

[elfin comet]

ya

[keen dragon]

E

[calm token]

I reckon that when they capture her she would have a right to be angry but to be fair you dont have to

[candid linden]

wait guys the act 3 ending is the complete ending thats it???

honestly we need mods or something that show us pharloom without the haunting and hallownest without the infection

[empty scarab]

hornet can only get silk from enemies with silk in their bodies, like the pilgrims controlled by the haunting, right ?

[rapid siren]

Are ants controlled by the haunting too?

[empty scarab]

pretty sure they are outside of karmelita's thing

[calm token]

Silk is soul refined so she can get silk from hitting enemies like the knight

[empty scarab]

hm

[rapid siren]

But in crust king khans memory u can also get silk but they are not haunted

[empty scarab]

so that explains why she gets silk out of shakra

[calm token]

Yes except for the mottled ants

Cause Karmalitas dying

so they are slowly succumbing to it

[craggy smelt]

no, she can make her own Silk using Soul she gets from even non-haunted creatures
like the skrill on Pharloom's Surface

[empty scarab]

fair enough

[calm token]

Thats what i said?

[empty scarab]

pretty much yeah

[craggy smelt]

then you were right

[maiden meteor]

I assume she has same soul-leeching ability Knight has

Maybe it’s innate to PK’s bloodline

[dapper willow]

Im pretty sure all creatures can do that in some ways

Or its just a gameplay thing

[maiden meteor]

Eh, def not everyone creature

Normal bugs can barely handle bigger amounts of soul

so I don’t think they have any level of soul manipulation

[dapper willow]

Normal bugs can gather soul
As the stillkin and the soul sanctum guys show

Its just not very good for them in excess

Also their methods probably differ a lot

Its probably not innate to most

But a learnable skill

[maiden meteor]

they probably just use mechanical methods of extracting soul rather than having ability to do so

Stillkin were taught by Snail Shaman to work with soul and iirc shamans kinda just bleed bugs dry of soul, which would also explain why bilewater shaman themselves is hung up like that

And Soul Sanctum has all sorts of weird machinery

It’s also important to note that both stillkin and sanctum keep soul in containers, which is probably because they can’t really manipulate it that well

Also weird thing, but iirc, Hornet doesn’t gather soul from containers for whatever reason

[whole holly]

sadly seeker shaman has no needolin dialogue

[potent ridge]

do you no who else has no needolin dialouge

my MOM

(insert muscle man here)

[dapper willow]

She does tho
From silk containers (spools)

For silk is soul
And soul is delicious

[empty scarab]

who's stillkin

[foggy stratus]

A tribe the Citadel fucked over.

[empty scarab]

where are they

found

[dire lynx]

bilewater

[foggy stratus]

Do you think Stillkin is an NPC?

[empty scarab]

oh those guys

[whole holly]

There is a 1 in 259 chance that Sea of sorrow releases today!

[dapper willow]

Im gonna lose it

Bette rhelp

[empty scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1493956738309689415/sherma4.gif

[whole holly]

[whole holly]

why are Khann and Karmelita shipped so much, i don't get it

[edgy sentinel]

With eachother, or in general?

[foggy stratus]

People probably think they'd go well together. Warrior leaders of a combat focused group of people who oppose GMS.

[foggy stratus]

Gah I want to rewrite Skong Hunter Journal as if it were the Hunter from HK writing it

[sinful nimbus]

Why didn't Nuu write it

Pharloom cuisine lore

[foggy stratus]

Shes just a baby.

That's why she chooses Hornet to. Shes a grown up.

[foggy stratus]

Give me a random enemy.

[sinful nimbus]

There are plenty of child fighters in SS I think it'd be peak

[sinful nimbus]

Choir Clapper

[twin dragon]

"These ones.. TRUE STRENGTH, these worms better stand for my arrival"

[limpid summit]

No way he saw those

He’d probably muse about it being pointless to be super strong and holed up in an ivory tower not testing yourself

[foggy stratus]

"I have seen this thing's fighting style once before in a small maggot within a stolen shell. Yet this one seems weaker, unable yo generate the same force as the maggot."

[heavy gyro]

They were given orders

[foggy stratus]

Doing Slab entries rn.

[whole holly]

Bilewater had potential:

no wonder stilkin are so mad

[foggy stratus]

"Foul smelling arrogant jailer of a distasteful prison high in these lands. I've only encountered them as they roam about, hunting those they find guilty, and I am thankful as the scent of only a few makes me sick." Wardenfly entry.

[whole holly]

Slab stinks but Bilewater apparently doesn't

[warm zodiac]

man i hope we'll be able to pay a visit to pre-citadel bilewater through some memory sequence

and more of coral tower man that would be sick

[tawdry flare]

Team Cherry confirmed that we will not see Red Coral Gorge again

They hate us

[warm zodiac]

i feel like placing entirety of coral gorge into 1 memory fight sequence kind of wastes it

though long sequence

possibly top 5 most visually stunning locations they ever made just shoved into a gauntlet where you cant even afford to focus on it

while making bilewater

[sinful nimbus]

😔

[warm zodiac]

one of largest locations in the game

[sinful nimbus]

got MHWorld and Expedition 33 to satisfy that coral area itch

[warm zodiac]

man imagine if coral gorge was as mechanically obnoxious as bilewater and had the same size

like ultimate endgame location

like im 99% sure people would not hate bilewater as much as they do if it looked just slightly better, it would kind of ruin its lore but you get the idea

[tawdry flare]

Bilewater is flawless

[warm zodiac]

i mean yeah its meant to be despised and it was made as tedious as it is on purpose

[sinful nimbus]

Bring back the gloom 🗣️

[warm zodiac]

in a way it is flawless indeed

[near jasper]

Its weird bilewater is never mentioned before you go into it

[warm zodiac]

if i turned a sanctuary into a septic tank i wouldnt have told anyone about it too

[near jasper]

I missed bilewater in my playthrough

[twin dragon]

got ue5 slop instead

[sinful nimbus]

this is peak don't lie

[whole holly]

i play 3d games personally? i mean sure they look realistic and real but for that i would rather watch a movie or series, 2d games consistently have best storyline

[sinful nimbus]

E33 has a fantastic narrative idk

[stray grove]

MH World

[sinful nimbus]

Lot of strong emotional moments

[stray grove]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-1457473106328210491

Namielle is cool I guess

[sinful nimbus]

Coral Gorge and Rotten Vale are tuff

Also it inspired Silksong

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random silksong enemy.

[stray grove]

Highland

Larp detected

[sinful nimbus]

Sorry I meant flying waters

[stray grove]

Valid

[plain ruin]

Snitchfly

[stray grove]

Wingmould

[foggy stratus]

Hmm. Aight.

[foggy stratus]

I'm doing a thing where I rewrite journal entries to be as if the Hunter wrote them. He already wrote a Wingsmold entry.

[twin dragon]

slop generic AAA narrative (i havent even gazed at the game)

[plain ruin]

He’d see ‘em as pests, methinks

[twin dragon]

Is this ass creed? cant tell

[foggy stratus]

"Plump, sneaky bugs with an odd obsession with beads. They taste of dust and dirt. Unpleasant."

[whole holly]

aesthetics of designed art, with unique style simply can't be matched and 3d games often dilute that for realism

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong fans throwing stones from glass houses...

3D games aren't all exclusively realistic but there are some absolutely stunning realistic games out there

[foggy stratus]

Skyrim.

[sinful nimbus]

All comes down to art direction

Spot the best art direction of 2025

[foggy fractal]

why is the bilewater so crusty

[whole holly]

i guess cherry-picking

[foggy stratus]

Stillkin let it crust as a defense against the Citadel.

[twin dragon]

Ue5 slop vs hand drawn art

[twin dragon]

Realism isn't what im talking about

[foggy stratus]

Detroit picture vs Blight Town screenshot*

[whole holly]

this is better, it has unique art style

[foggy fractal]

go go gadget pixel reducer !

[whole holly]

3d one looks grainy and overexposed

[twin dragon]

silksong as a whole does have a unique art style

Shit at least use something like this as comparison

[sinful nimbus]

wym grainy bruh

[twin dragon]

important stuff visible, from afar

layered beautifully

[sinful nimbus]

That is also the case in the screenshot I sent

[twin dragon]

The lighting in that one ugh

[sinful nimbus]

ER is also good

[twin dragon]

And its mostly rocks, i do see some stuff that could be relevant but its mostly rocks

[foggy fractal]

I'm about to elden that ring

watch out

[sinful nimbus]

Its a rocky shore area bro

[twin dragon]

vs most of the lands between visible even though they're very far away

The shot is from a swamp area, you can see the forests beyond it and part of the capital

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway the main thing every shot focuses on is the monolith which is the ultimate goal of your journey and its not really something that can be accomplished in 2D

[spark valve]

What is ss doing here why isn’t it e33 and blue prince

[sinful nimbus]

Blue Prince is harder to cherrypick

[twin dragon]

Yeah but it wont really fix the overall look of the game yk

blasphemous has some of this ig

[sinful nimbus]

What's wrong with the overall look

[twin dragon]

Blasphemous did this

[twin dragon]

generic ue5, thats kinda what the convos about

[sinful nimbus]

Kinda tuff icl

[sinful nimbus]

Holy buzzword

[twin dragon]

b1 is just so pretty

artistically

[sinful nimbus]

Just say realistic artstyle 🥀

[twin dragon]

It has a meaning

[twin dragon]

There's realism and there's ue5 games looking the same

[sinful nimbus]

Live action would kill bro

Why does the artstyle of every movie look the same

[twin dragon]

I dont like those either ig

[spark valve]

It isn’t even though it’s surreal as hell

[twin dragon]

And this convo seems more directed towards graphical fidelity

instead of artstyle

[sinful nimbus]

I mean yeah that's part of artstyle

But I'm mostly talking about art direction

Also Silksong art is fine I just needed to slander it

[foggy fractal]

Slandering Silksong art?

Die.

I am

#1 Silksong

GLAZER

[sinful nimbus]

[sinful nimbus]

All E33 and MIO glaze is for the love of the game

[foggy fractal]

how about nine sols glaze

[sinful nimbus]

mid..

[spark valve]

Didn’t you know mio doesn’t have any art direction because it isn’t sprite based and that’s definitely what that term means

[twin dragon]

Imo just conveying the artstyle with something that makes most of the games that come out of it look nearly identical isnt it

[sinful nimbus]

What?

[twin dragon]

The latter one looks like an elden ring shot

[foggy fractal]

DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[twin dragon]

Hard 2 make game unique because look samer

[spark valve]

Ok you’re actually just blind

[twin dragon]

No im just saying

it is e33 i fucking know it is

it just resembles it a bit

[sinful nimbus]

I dunno I can't think of many games that look like E33

Not cuz of the artstyle but because of the overall direction

this just crazy fr

[twin dragon]

cherrypickmaxxing

[spark valve]

It really isn’t

[twin dragon]

but yeah can be done with about every game

[twin dragon]

looks like it mate

[spark valve]

We get it you haven’t played the game and have no idea what you’re talking about

[twin dragon]

Ive seen it enough to tell

[spark valve]

Evidently not

[twin dragon]

maybe ill change my mind or double down on the fact that this is cherrypicking

[sinful nimbus]

I mean if you don't fw the art you don't fw the art but that's not really cherrypicking I'm just looking through my screenshots folder

[twin dragon]

i dont fw how it looks graphically, it might be artistic peak

[foggy fractal]

🤓 hey moderator here... let's talk about silksong lore guys...

[sinful nimbus]

Is there a good mom in the game

[foggy fractal]

bell beast?

[sinful nimbus]

true

[plain ruin]

Huntress, maybe

[sinful nimbus]

she ain't parenting

[plain ruin]

She wants to live to see them grow, no?

[sinful nimbus]

I think team cherry lowk hates mothers the only "good" mothers in this game are either the animals or the ones who die immediately

[plain ruin]

To watch them succeed?

[sinful nimbus]

Oh I forgot huntress can avoid getting eaten

[foggy fractal]

🤔 shakra's master...

[plain ruin]

Herrah is a good mother too, given the circumstances

[sinful nimbus]

she's one of the ones who dies immediately

[plain ruin]

She did about all she could do for Hornet

Sure, but worth noting anyways

[foggy fractal]

now are there any good fathers in silksong

[plain ruin]

Crawfather

[sinful nimbus]

Gurr

[plain ruin]

Are there any actual fathers in Silksong? Any at all?

Father of the Flame and Crawfather just have it as a title, they aren’t actual fathers

[sinful nimbus]

PK and he gets slandered a bunch

[plain ruin]

But PK isn’t actually in Silksong

[sinful nimbus]

ts is misandry

[plain ruin]

He’s alluded to, but he doesn’t appear

[twin dragon]

moss mutha

maybe

[twin dragon]

she's the avg animal

feeds and dips

[plain ruin]

Not according to her dialogue

[twin dragon]

I mean she dips at one point if you do the quest before a3

[plain ruin]

Well yes, she has to be distant so that they don’t eat her

But she wants to live to see them grow, to see their first hunts, their first flights

[plain ruin]

That ain’t Silksong

[spark valve]

'in silksong'

there's styx

[twin dragon]

garmond to zaza

or smt

[limpid summit]

Gurr

Skarr King

[plain ruin]

There’s nothing that says Gurr is a father or the Skarr King

There’s some cut content stuff that might build on his lore, but that’s cut content

[limpid summit]

What other reason would he test himself

[plain ruin]

He’s a hunter

[limpid summit]

The outcast will unite the Skarr as Karmelita did

[limpid summit]

Yeah but Hornet assumes it’s something deeper

Or at least we’re led to assume

She doesn’t know why he did that

[limpid summit]

There is???

[plain ruin]

There’s stuff about the cut beastmaster dude, some of it relates to Gurr

[plain ruin]

This is true, but that doesn’t mean that he must be the former Skarr King or be the one to unite the Skarr

There are other reasons he could test himself

[limpid summit]

No he’s not the former Skarr King

He’s an outcast

I don’t think he’s older than withering Karmelita

But I think the mottled Skarr will usher in a new age of unity

They’re the only ones that survive

[plain ruin]

We only ever see three of them, and two of them die

Mottled Skarrs seem to be pretty rare

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc5-nero-devil-trigger-stop-sibling-rivaly-gif-17020852

Dw cus super bum is here

[swift needle]

The skarrs are racist

https://tenor.com/view/eagle-eagle-ball-bald-eagle-knowledge-knows-ball-gif-10313176648961424199

[foggy stratus]

I think most Skarrs are at least partly Haunted while the Molted Skarrs, who can still fully hear Karmel's song, are not Haunted.

[whole holly]

colors are muted and overexposed

[whole holly]

moss mother

[limpid summit]

He not dead

Disappearing corpse like Crawfather

We just defeated him

[whole holly]

crawfather isn't dead ? wdym by corpse?

[foggy fractal]

I mean we'd have to go through each and every instance of a boss dying to see if TC is consistent with their corpses to confirm the validity of this

[foggy stratus]

Ass Jim also jsut falls back into the muck. They might be alive.

[foggy fractal]

seth also just falls in the water maybe he lives?

[sinful nimbus]

Gurr and Crawfather have too much aura to go to waste

[foggy stratus]

They're getting compressed: hydraulic pressure style.

[rapid siren]

Nah hes dead for sure. Couldnt imagine him hanging out somewhere nice and getting scores so high that beating them almost drives me crazy

Hes dead

[frank dove]

Ivvy has a video on drowning moorwing

Ironically that is a way to make him NOT show up somewhere nice getting eaten by fluffy dogs

[glacial warren]

I still find it hilarious how, seeing Hornet’s inner thoughts in her Journal, exactly how much of her ‘i’m a stoic badass!!!’ persona is a facade. She’s a goddamn Chuuni.

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

"Somehow even more pathetic than its smaller form. Its spikes are barely attached to its shell and, somehow, tastes worse. At least the fur makes for good insulation."-Hunter

[elfin comet]

Constantly trying to aura farm like you aint tuff twin 🤣

[near jasper]

Gms doesn't have a scream animation and the screen effects come from her chest at the animation to start the fight

[foggy stratus]

Please, stop making your presence known

[near jasper]

[foggy stratus]

Give me a random enemy.

[gentle aspen]

😐

[near jasper]

Squirm

[foggy stratus]

That's what I'm saying!

[foggy stratus]

"Small, weak creature. Hardly worth the effort to hunt, execpt for their oddly good taste for a creature that lives in sand."-Hunter

[paper valley]

[muted ember]

is the fleabrew alcohol? it seems to be

[acoustic flume]

what happened with the other three chorus's?
Like the fourth chorus is the fourth, but then where are the previous three?

[cerulean spire]

what did i miss

[foggy stratus]

Underworks seemingly.

[foggy stratus]

Maybe.

Or its some kind of carbonated think.

Seems fizzy.

[acoustic flume]

I only found two more

[foggy stratus]

Chapel of the Archetcit.

[acoustic flume]

theres a third one?

[foggy stratus]

Yup.

Have you been in there yet?

Anyways ima go take a shower.

[acoustic flume]

spooky

[runic plume]

why did lace cut gms hand off

[limpid summit]

“Letting you live was my rebellion, spider. I've denied my mother your silken strength. I've won.
She can thrash, and waste, and know her pathetic, broken child caused the mortal wound.”

[runic plume]

w lace

[dire lynx]

shes a bratty child lol

[foggy stratus]

Fatherless behavior.

Now I'm thinking, if Lace somehow ended up in Hallownest during PK's rule would PK and or WL adopt her?

[foggy stratus]

I mean maybe WL would take pitty on her?

[blissful harbor]

i don’t think they would’ve given two shits about her

“hallownest will never bear so foreign a king” and “it would be naive to call it friend” when talking about grimmchild
maybe she’s just biased against the troupe, but something tells me other HBs kids aren’t exactly their forte

[spark valve]

she'd get ripped up by the soul sanctum

[craggy smelt]

eh, Hornet's not her kid biologically (or whatever you'd call it) but White Lady likes her well enough

pale beings apparently aren't known for getting along according to Mask Maker, but the ones in Hallownest seemed like they tried to be different

[blissful harbor]

hornet is a different situation than a random silk kid appearing in hallownest

[worn stone]

ya, the pale king and white lady had an union so its safe to say any child of the pale king would be favored by white lady vs a child of gms or any other pale being

[craggy smelt]

that PK and WL were willing to have a union at all as opposed to the usual fighting between pale beings is significant

if they're willing to marry, maybe they're willing to adopt

[blissful harbor]

they’re definitely different

[craggy smelt]

I wonder if PK would have liked to have had her in the great knights...

[blissful harbor]

but WL has already expressed her feeling on one other HB born child

idk why it would be so different

[craggy smelt]

as you noted, grimmchild was pretty different - maybe too 'foreign'

Lace being the child of a pale being might make for a closer kinship

and she's probably not powerful enough to be a dangerous rival

(maybe, she did cut off her mom's arm...)

[robust wagon]

I don't think they'd accept her, since they'd probably be worried about her loyalties to gms (depending on what time period this lace is coming from)

[glacial warren]

The King’s foresight would likely predict Lace’s rebellion against her abusive goddess-mother, so he and the Lady would encourage her betrayal of the Grand Mother to fulfill this.

[robust wagon]

Wait but this doesn't really work, lace doesn't rebel until the events of silksong, long after pk is already dead

[foggy stratus]

PK and WL have no idea who GMS is.

[craggy smelt]

I wouldn't be sure about that - higher beings seem to be weirdly knowledgeable about one another

GMS knew that Hallownest was the 'Kingdom of the White Wyrm', according to the orders she was giving her Haunted

also Grimm knew a bunch of stuff about Hallownest, while White Lady knew all about him

[whole holly]

almost like they can sense each other

Shakra's Song, Skarrsong, Sylphsong had lot of emotional and narrative weight for me, they make up big part of Song is Silksong(ik it is supposed to refer to Threefold Melody and Needolin) also importance of song in Lost Verdania, i hope Sea of Sorrows also maintains Song Culture as well, personally

[near jasper]

Its not really meant to be the threefold melody/needolin?

Song is just a general theme of the game why limit the song in the title to just that

[velvet grail]

what do you think is easy first inner or lace 2

[whole holly]

it is pretty much that? though, Song is integrated to game's story as Needolin mechanism and has lore relevance through Threefold Melody, that is Silksong's song, Elegy of Deep, Shakra's Song and Beastling Call feel like extras, Skarrsong or Karmelita's Song can't be interacted with in any meaningful way, it is just there is lore, Lost Verdania has song mechanism interaction through memory orbs but no song lore

[whole holly]

First Sinner, she is slower but still a great fight

[velvet grail]

di you find first sinner or the high halls gauntlet harder

[foggy stratus]

Lace 2. Easier to spam tools in.

[whole holly]

tools run out, wanderers and hunter's crest completely eradicates First Sinner

[whole holly]

First Sinner little harder, but overall not hard at all

[whole holly]

in my opinion

[foggy stratus]

I liquefied Lace 2 with Rosary cannon and I think either cogflies or voltvessels in my latest steel soul run. It doesn't matter if I run out if she's already dead.

[whole holly]

what's the point if you don't actually meaningfully engage in fight and use tools to liquefy bosses

[foggy stratus]

Its Lace "I have three fights" Silk. And most of the time I do actually fight them I just really wanted to get past Lace 2.

Also who are you to criticize how I play?

[whole holly]

Lost Lace and Lace 2 fights are great, imo

[whole holly]

i am expressing my opinion

it is fun to actually beat old hearts, First Sinner, Lost Lace without tools, i gotten really good at it

i wish for more memory bosses, First Sinner is really great as well as Nyleth and Karmelita, Khann was disappointment, his gauntlet is harder than him, Green Prince is interesting imo, Palestag was fun

[foggy stratus]

I've only fought each one once so far but I remember Nyleth being more annoying than anything. I liked Karmel and Green Prince ig. Palestag was also mostly frustrating. Khann needed less gauntlets and more movement.

[whole holly]

Plasmium-related memory boss would be so amazing

[foggy stratus]

Plasmified Joni Arbiter of the Blue Life.

[whole holly]

what's what i thought at first but adapting to Palestag and Nyleth is really great, it makes fight okay

[whole holly]

actual Lifeblood Beast, Crest Bug who interrupts our binding just like First Sinner does, Joni obviously being as strong as lost lace, and another character

[foggy stratus]

Maybe a plasmified mimic of The Knight since it helped Lifeblood get into GodHome so its trying to basically recreate it?

[whole holly]

i think Lifeblood as substance is clearly trying to morph everything in it's image, which is blue butterfly, as groms get butterfly wings and ever flowers have butterflies

[primal tusk]

[foggy stratus]

Yeah but Lifeblood interrupting Hornet's bind by creating the strongest creature it knows of, The Knight, would be such a cool fight.

[whole holly]

i guess, if you feel that way

[paper mantle]

First Sinner is Atla?

[dapper willow]

lifeblood huh

[sick tinsel]

who knows

[near jasper]

Maybe

[stray grove]

Highly likely

[foggy stratus]

Perchance.

[whole holly]

probably

fact that all of us said same just about same thing in different words

[paper mantle]

Hahaha, yeah

[whole holly]

if that's the case in our opinion who are weavers in burial spires? what are their names?

[elfin comet]

weavers

[whole holly]

except one in weavenest karn who is definitely karn

[whole holly]

haha, very funny

[foggy stratus]

They're on super life support.

[foggy stratus]

Oh wait misread.

[sick tinsel]

atla is weaver on time right ?

*of

[foggy stratus]

Silkspear one is definitely Murglin.

Silksoar is probably Abolsom.

[sick tinsel]

then yeah if we assume that the fight with FS is a memory then atla is FS

[sick tinsel]

100%

[whole holly]

i think Silkspear one is Camora, Weaver of Path

[whole holly]

that's as obvious as karn

[foggy stratus]

What's the name of the Far Fields weavenest?

[dapper willow]

wait from where do we know the nests are named after an individual?

[low oracle]

I think she's the Weaver of healing, Camora. At least there was an effigy about it.

[low oracle]

Atla — Effigy to Atla (also Camora, etc.)

[spark valve]

Cindril but cindril isn’t one of the entombed weavers barring a very funny but technically possible sequence of events

[foggy stratus]

Swift step Weaver is Cindril, trust.

[stray grove]

That’s Far Fields Weavenest

Silkspeed Anklets

[spark valve]

That would require her to leave, get chased out of wherever she went, come back to Pharloom to discover the citadel, go “oh looks like you guys figured it out while we were gone guess we were wrong” and then just join up with the citadel

Possible and very funny

[whole holly]

Thread Storm might me Murglin?? murglin is associated with rainy swapy, bodies of water, Thread Storm weaver is above Craw lake

[whole holly]

possible

Clawline is hardest

[whole holly]

i think it might be Askar, name associated with Broken Weavenest in mount fay but that's not canon, mount fay really requires clawline though

[limpid summit]

And herrah thought GMS killed her or something

[sick tinsel]

weavernest widow next update

trust

[limpid summit]

I don’t think the bound weavers are always meant to be their named counterparts or even often

The ones who we can most confidently attribute names to are the ones in the effigies

[stray grove]

FS - Atla
Silk Spear - Camora
Cling Grip - Keelal
Anklets - Cindril, Swift Step might be Cindril and it’s possible Cindril herself didn’t actually leave instead focusing on ensuring her sisters could
Clawline - Askar, Mt Fay is likely her Weavenest but it was broken into and her spire was moved
Sharp Dart - Karn
Murglin has a silk memory in her Weavenest but no spire, Thread Storm is probably not her based on the silk ghost
And Absolom is Absolom

So I mean yeah we probably just don’t know who the Thread Storm Weaver is

[spark valve]

Bro cindril left a note she probably didn’t stick around

[stray grove]

I don’t think it’s very likely

But the note doesn’t technically say she herself left

[whole holly]

there are 7 weaver names and 8 weaver burial spires

[stray grove]

And I think her remaining is more likely than her leaving and returning later on

Although I don’t think either is very likely at all

[spark valve]

There’s this little thing called common sense

[whole holly]

why would spire move, though???

[spark valve]

We already have a group of weavers that was forced to go back home

[stray grove]

Literally no follow up on that whatsoever

[spark valve]

Also mt fay isn’t a weavenest and definitely didn’t have a spire at any point

The point of that is to reach the fayforn

[stray grove]

It’s called a Weavenest in the files but uh not canon

The file name is Weavenest Askar

[near jasper]

What dumbass silkeater thought to put a weaver spire in the cauldron in the underworks

[limpid summit]

It was probably meant to be one

But I think the weavers were like she keeps killing us what’s the point

[stray grove]

Anyway the complete lack of follow up makes it pretty unlikely that TC intended for that to be the case with Cindril

[spark valve]

Maybe it would’ve made sense in an earlier draft where weavenests were for a different purpose or it could be a more generic term for weaver settlements but either way it makes sense to keep a distinction between the hideouts

[stray grove]

I don’t think they put much thought into that specifically

[limpid summit]

That’s fair

I mean if a web is a system a nest is a settlement

[spark valve]

It’s silksong man they didn’t put much thought into anything

[stray grove]

Ok but ts is goofy bruh

Cindril just went back to Pharloom on her own and there’s no acknowledgement of it anywhere

[whole holly]

it is possible cindril didn't escape, and has failed attempts

[near jasper]

My askar said fayforn keeps eating her weavers so I asked How many weavers she has and she Said she just goes to the cradle and gets a new one afterwards so I said it sounds like shes just feeding weavers to fayforn and then her servitor started crying

[spark valve]

Yeah it’s goofy

[limpid summit]

They had a pretty good thing going in Deepnest

[stray grove]

It makes sense for the Deepnest Weavers to want to go back post infection

[whole holly]

there is 7 names and 8 burial spires

[near jasper]

Why is there a spire in the underworks

[stray grove]

We know nothing about the Thread Storm Weaver

[spark valve]

Yeah something probably would’ve happened to force cindril back too (also possible cindril was just a Hallownest weaver)

[stray grove]

It was moved

[near jasper]

Why

[whole holly]

we need another name in Sea of Sorrows, maybe Askar mention? call he weaver of ascent/climb/insight/gift of something

[spark valve]

Or built over

[whole holly]

it might be murglin

[stray grove]

It’s not

We see Murglin’s silk ghost

It doesn’t look like that

[whole holly]

wdym? do you have evidence?

[stray grove]

Both of which would be very goofy scenarios in the absence of further clarification

[near jasper]

What weaver went to the burning magma deposit and decided "yeah I should put my tomb here"

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-city-boy-aura-monster-subaru-natuski-mario-gif-2906700990866198539

[stray grove]

But the Hallownest Weavers not getting any follow up is also goofy asf

[whole holly]

what does it look like?

[stray grove]

I don’t know if that’s even intended anymore

[spark valve]

TC forgetting about the sequel bait in the sequel

[whole holly]

technically there is herrah... technically

[near jasper]

This is your mind on hollow knight silksong

[swift needle]

Yes

[near jasper]

Murglin is the only good weaver

[stray grove]

None of them are good

Except like Herrah I guess

[spark valve]

Cindril weavers are fine

[stray grove]

Eh

[whole holly]

looks like generic weaver???

[stray grove]

The Hallownest ones weren’t great

Aside from Herrah of course

We don’t know what the others got up to

[whole holly]

Karn is best weaver ever

[spark valve]

They were fine realistically there’s not much reason to think they didn’t act as relatively equal partners with the dn spiders

[whole holly]

1. didn't bother anybody with her ambitions 2.created sharp dart 3. passed down talent to hornet

[stray grove]

I was talking about the Red Memory scene

[whole holly]

i still am confident thread storm weaver is murglin

[stray grove]

I agree with them being relatively equal partners Herrah was only queen because she married into the existing royalty

[spark valve]

Their outlook there isn’t great but it’s hardly evil

[whole holly]

oh, Deepnest Sire, i hope we see you

[stray grove]

That is what I said yes

The Hallownest ones weren’t great

[spark valve]

In the context of weavers they’re saints

[swift needle]

Weaver of time soloes everyone ✌️

[whole holly]

ehh

[whole holly]

atla??

[swift needle]

Ya

[near jasper]

Michael

[whole holly]

what's with you and michael references?

[sick tinsel]

widow best weaver

[swift needle]

Michael Jackson

?

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/never-ever-post-a-video-again-gif-18373997312741235136

[stray grove]

I guess but it’s not like they were doing that shit for a laugh
The question was also whether or not they were “good” not whether or not they were evil

[whole holly]

i think hornet solos every weaver

[foggy stratus]

Yeah but Silkspear is the closest to Silkshot and Murglin made Silkshot.

[stray grove]

Silkspear is Camora

Murglin is Murglin we don’t see her spire

[swift needle]

Cindril speed blitzes✌️ 😂

[foggy stratus]

1+1=railgun.

[whole holly]

agree

[near jasper]

Murglins spire got drank by groal to use vengeful vomit

[swift needle]

Wait is there like a name for the little weave nest in mt fay

[stray grove]

@limpid summit is nest settlement in weaverspeak or is that just a generic term

[near jasper]

Game file calls it askar

[stray grove]

Hallownest

[swift needle]

Askar means soldier in arabic

https://tenor.com/view/eagle-eagle-ball-bald-eagle-knowledge-knows-ball-gif-10313176648961424199

[foggy stratus]

Probably a generic term. Given that the "Weavenest" of Hallownest is like Weavers Den or something iirc.

[near jasper]

Why did the living weaver in deepnest just leave dead bodies around

[foggy stratus]

No time to mummify them.

[stray grove]

Retconsong it was probably called Weavenest Herrah or something

[dire lynx]

w larp

[near jasper]

Weavenest cindril jr

[whole holly]

yeah, i am predicting sea of sorrows weaver name will start with "thal-"

[swift needle]

Weavenest dolorem

[near jasper]

Weavenest tasmania

[swift needle]

Weavenest aequor

[near jasper]

Silkeater was originally a slur for weavers before they found the animal

[swift needle]

Weavenest vigilate

Like a watch house

[whole holly]

Thalora is most likely, if not TC is missing opportunity

also their names don't have any linguistic pattern except their consonant usage pattern and hard sounds

[swift needle]

I think the next weavenest will have a hebrew name

Pretty interesting how alot of the weavers have hebrew names

Herrah

Absolom

[whole holly]

greek name fits because of the sea

[swift needle]

Karn

Kamorah

[whole holly]

*Camora

[swift needle]

Ya

[whole holly]

Cindril stands out

[limpid summit]

I said this

I think it probably would be

The Weavenests are all pretty different

[whole holly]

Deepnest, Hallownest are also nests, even though Weavers have Weaver's Den in HK

i hope Sea of Sorrows add sea-unique substance maybe we will get "Sea-Silk" (which is actually a real thing made from mollusk secretions).

[sick tinsel]

nah

[whole holly]

wdym nah?

[civic elm]

How could the knight ascend to his shadow lord form in the void in dream no more ending

[civic elm]

It does عسكر

[pseudo narwhal]

Cindril may be derivative from cinder
Because the weavenest is near the vulcanic area

[tawdry flare]

It doesn’t

[twin dragon]

tk doesnt

[civic elm]

But he flashes his shadow lord form

[twin dragon]

split timeline's the most logical explanation

[civic elm]

Dont think so

[tawdry flare]

Artistic liberties. That’s meant to indicate that Silksong takes place after both endings

[twin dragon]

if tk did achieve lord of shades, changing forms this fast is just unrealistic

[tawdry flare]

plus the Siblings that aren’t actually there

[civic elm]

Why, he could have changed forms this fast to make hornet go unconcious

[twin dragon]

why would he do that

[civic elm]

The presence of that much amound of void

[twin dragon]

brother making her unconscious on purpose will literally add risk to her dying

hornet's tired of kicking ass

[civic elm]

Thats why he flashed

[twin dragon]

???

ive had this argument a thousand fucking times oh my god

im so tired

[spark valve]

Most coherent discord discussion

[civic elm]

Ok

Let me think of something

[tawdry flare]

No this one is new

[twin dragon]

not with this person specifically

[civic elm]

The knight at that point is a shade correct

A shade as explained in the hunter jornal is

[twin dragon]

He's wtv the hell the voidheart allows him to be

a shade with a will or smt

[civic elm]

He is a shade

[twin dragon]

He's still that in both endings

[whole holly]

why do all higher beings somehow are twist on abrahamic god? Pale King is is reborn Canaanite God El with his Asherah(White Lady) Radiance is Gnostic Take with control and materialism and eternal disease and hivemind, Grand Mother Silk is Catholic gender-bent god, Abyss/Lifeblood(if they are one) Creature is resurrection, Nightmare Heart is ressuection of NKG and trinity (NMH, NKG, Grimm), Lord of Shades is prophecy god

[twin dragon]

in one tk's attuned by the godseeker

[civic elm]

Yep wait

[whole holly]

Unn and God of thunder, Gods of Rain are paganistic, they represent fading/dying pagan influence of faith

[twin dragon]

gms being catholic god is kind of a stretch

more like genderbent, as evil as the catholic god or more god

[whole holly]

Citadel of Song/Chor, and consumption of divine flesh of jesus christ as ritual practice mirrors silk consumption

[limpid summit]

They’re not proclaiming gms they’re being heretical when they do that

At that point you could compare anything to anything

[pseudo narwhal]

I think they sort of a mix of different mythologies
Like PK is also Prometheus/Lucifer, and Radiance is Jehovah bringing divine punishment for her chosen folk that turn away from her (and kinda overreacting with this)

[whole holly]

doesn't mean it's not valid

[whole holly]

not really, it's how she controls them

[twin dragon]

doesnt mean gms wanted them to do that

[limpid summit]

She wasn’t awake to get them to do that until they did that

[whole holly]

we don't know her intentions

[twin dragon]

brother

do you think she'd let them do that

[whole holly]

Pale King is god of promised eternal kingdom, sounds familiar?

[twin dragon]

I mean, they also just didnt worship her at all seemingly, only the product

but yeah i do see the inspo

[pseudo narwhal]

Self-proclaimed and not really eternal xD
But yes, this too

[whole holly]

she controlled weavers with her silk, maintained her kingdom with silken sight, she wants eternal servitude, regardless of whether or not she wanted her silk consumed

[twin dragon]

she didnt control the weavers with silk

[limpid summit]

I think the abrahamic parallels are def there in HK maybe in SS by virtue of the more solid religious undertones but idk you could spread the comparison to all religions

[twin dragon]

Yeah but she'd likely achieve the eternal servitude through other means

that dont consist draining herself

[limpid summit]

Beacon is the fruit of knowledge

Bugs became like higher beings melancholy of disparity etc

Silksong sure I guess

[spark valve]

That’s not about the mythology though

[whole holly]

i mean they could be different interpretations of same god

[spark valve]

The citadel’s religion is like notably atheistic

[whole holly]

Citadel worshiped weavers divinity as well as silk as substance and it's ritual usage, GMS is hidden god behind it

[whole holly]

definitely not atheistic

[pseudo narwhal]

Also soundtrack heavily build on gregorian chorals, general catolic esthetic combine with protestant ethic carried to extreme (like bugs in the underworks believed that if they work hard enough they will be uplifted to the better lives)

[whole holly]

yup, it perfectly imitates Religious Europe and capitalism manifested as religion

[limpid summit]

The gilded citadel under the Conductors doesn’t worship the weavers or GMS

It can be described as atheistic

[pseudo narwhal]

"Pilgrim of Pharloom eternal, regale us with our Threefold song, that you may rise above and worship before our kingdom's divine heart"

[whole holly]

we have literal tribes that take inspirations from pagain cultures that eventually were converted/erased : Burning Bugs(Germanic Wickman) Verdania(Celtic) Skarr(Norse/Eurasian Steppe) Nyleth(Mesopotamia/Babylon)

[spark valve]

The source of silk was seen as divine but not as a god

It wasn’t a being to be obeyed just a source

[stray grove]

ts in the big 26

[pseudo narwhal]

Yeah, GMS is not their ruler, but the object of worship
And they don't really understand to what are they worshipping

[whole holly]

you can argue Grand Mother Silk's lack of worship as consequence of inspiration from real life like Vatican outlawed reading bible for regular people, instead believing what priests told them blindly and Pope using it for his control and mission

[twin dragon]

They dont know gms is a god

once they discover it it's devastating to them

[spark valve]

Which makes it atheistic as a religion

[twin dragon]

to the ones who know at least

[tawny ferry]

is the abyss from pharloom and hallownest conected?

[spark valve]

Apparently

[whole holly]

Just as the Latin Bible was kept from the masses to ensure the Church remained the sole intermediary between God and man, the "true" nature of Silk and the Song in Pharloom seems restricted to the high-ranking Weavers or the Citadel’s elite.

[stray grove]

I mean yes you can draw a parallel to anything if you try hard enough

Radiance is Ra and LoS is Apophis ofc

[spark valve]

But like doing the mythology stuff with ss is kind of missing the actual points it’s making

[twin dragon]

silksong is a parellel to a truck because it's a long-ish game and trucks are usually long compared to the average car

[stray grove]

People did that with HK too

What else is new

[spark valve]

Well yeah it’s HK HK fans can’t read

[whole holly]

and we actually realize point in games with drawing parallels and inspirations from game's lore and real life

[whole holly]

drawing parallels is actually a process of understanding them

[stray grove]

Who ordered the yappuccino

[whole holly]

you can't read through just two sentences? what are you having trouble with?

[stray grove]

Go back to replying to yourself

[whole holly]

creating a thread?

[limpid summit]

PV is Sukuna and TK is Gojo

Wrong reply

[stray grove]

You mean Red Judas and Blue Judas

[spark valve]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-7240636

[limpid summit]

True

[stray grove]

Larping is the reason this heart still beats

[spark valve]

At least larp about something good

[twin dragon]

chat is this toxicity

[whole holly]

what do you think?

[stray grove]

No this is toxicity

[twin dragon]

This is literacy, duh

[spark valve]

Toxicity is a move not a Pokemon nitwit

[whole holly]

what is "big problem" with reading religious parallels in silksong other than self-reporting "HK fans can't read" argument? it's just fun along with narrative weight? it's okay if not everyone can't engage meaningfully

[twin dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/kimmoli-gif-25370554

[stray grove]

Broke: PK is Lucifer and Rad is Jesus
Woke: PK represents white colonialism and Rad represents oppressed minorities

[spark valve]

Imagine if tc actually intended that tho

[twin dragon]

They seem somewhat religion related in some way shape or form

[spark valve]

Would sure be a choice

[twin dragon]

maybe because they're called gods man idk

[stray grove]

Nonzero chance

[stray grove]

No correlation

[whole holly]

"larping is better though"

[twin dragon]

not a serious argument

[spark valve]

I can’t mention the disgusting shit again man

[twin dragon]

What i said i mean

mean

[stray grove]

Don’t worry Tammo all HBs are evil colonizers that includes Rad

Except Hornet as much as she may she chooses to stand apart

White savior who thinks she isn’t white

[spark valve]

Usually white savior characters don’t also drool over the idea of erasing a group of people from existence but

[whole holly]

In Hollow Knight, we see explicit worship everywhere (statues of the Pale King, the City of Tears' monuments, the Radiance's shrines). In Silksong, the "God" is often conspicuous by her absence. In a theocratic world, the absence of public worship for the "Main God" while the "Citadel/Weavers" enforce the "Song" is a classic hallmark of a High-Control Institutional Religion (like the Medieval Church) vs. a Personal Faith Religion (like Unn's followers).

[stray grove]

Yeah but they’re gross and smelly so it’s ok

Just nod

[sick tinsel]

i forgor

[spark valve]

Hornet’s not a cruel god like her kin
Hornet when she sees mortals she finds displeasing:

Meanwhile the goat pk invited the shrumals into his kingdom despite them canonically reeking

[stray grove]

It’s ok she does other shit too like being complicit in the devastation of multiple ecosystems

So it’s not all bad

[stray grove]

tbf the Shrumals didn’t really interact with anyone

[whole holly]

You can't. Mario doesn't have "Burial Sires" with Semitic names, "Pity" as a resource, or "Sins" and "Apostates." Those are specific theological markers.

[stray grove]

What are we even talking about gng

[twin dragon]

Either cherrypicking on the weaker writing or js larping idk

[sick tinsel]

i wonder how they taste

[twin dragon]

Pk literally ate the shrumals what

[stray grove]

They were actually food thank you for bringing that up

[twin dragon]

he told me this

[stray grove]

Pleasure House kitchen

[whole holly]

idk, we were talking about actual religious symbolism, until suddenly it became sk-lorelarp

[stray grove]

These mfs were eating a sapient allied tribe

[sick tinsel]

yummy

if the shrooms were hive minded do they feel when one of thier members gets eaten

[twin dragon]

"allied"

not on the good terms mind you

[stray grove]

They were on perfectly good terms

[twin dragon]

For the kitchen yeah

[stray grove]

The Shrumals accepted PK’s rule lol

[spark valve]

A sapient allied tribe that only had one shared mind and therefore the individuals are as expendable as hairs

[stray grove]

Kinda fucked up but also true

Shrumals are known to be protective of their young however

And we see a bunch of Shrumeling bodies in there

[spark valve]

Sure but these aren’t mutually exclusive they can protect the young as a group to keep the population up but be willing to lose some

[stray grove]

I also don’t know if that’s necessarily what the PH guys were thinking they were also maybe cannibals

Hard to say

Either way I don’t think Shrumals were getting hunted prior to the Infection in any case

It was probably a free for all atp

SM casually tossing people into a meat grinder and rich CoT fuckers jus eating people

[limpid summit]

First wave or second wave

Yes it matters

Don’t say it doesn’t matter

[stray grove]

I’d like to say second but tbf that shit could’ve been going on for quite a while

[sick tinsel]

what else couldve been eaten that wouldent be considered cannibalism ?

[spark valve]

They probably were if they’re stockpiled before the blockade lol

[limpid summit]

What happened to popular infected bugs that remained alive in the interim

Like SM and TL

[stray grove]

The blockade is fake news

I mean I don’t think they even considered the shrumelings sapient

[whole holly]

Socio-Political Larping.

[stray grove]

The other mushrooms there are amblooms I think

Actually there might be a few warriors I can’t remember

[twin dragon]

SK-larp

[stray grove]

It’s not like they’d have been able to communicate and even if they could rich people are comically evil

[whole holly]

"Hornet is a white savior" is Anachronistic Projection at best

this is ultimate "HK fans can't read" joke

[spark valve]

The other shrumals could say “hey stop eating me”

[stray grove]

They’d probably ignore them