sk-lore

[glacial warren]

But we only ever see Unn in a dormant state due to Radiance’s rampage messing with her influence over her living plants.

So she’s decided to hunker down and wait for the storm to pass.

[light verge]

uh, the vegetation that goes beyond greenpath doesn’t count?

[glacial warren]

True Unn owns a lot of land if you think about how far her reach extends.

[tawdry flare]

Unn slander will NOT be tolerated

[glacial warren]

She only lost the Gardens to the White Lady because she’s another goddess, though Unn shows wariness towards her rather than hostility. She’s content to not make any unnecessary enemies, and only lost the Canyon to Monomon because of her foreign intrusion and setting up her science experiments, mutating the place into something unnatural and bizarre.

[fading shard]

she did

She is literally said to have affected an entire region

yk how big queen garden and greenpath was

[sinful nimbus]

lowk silk might've learned the haunting from pk though

[floral quiver]

Not as big as Pharloom

[floral quiver]

... why?

[glacial warren]

Well technically Silk only rules the Citadel and its associated domains like Greymoor and the Deep Docks directly. The rest of the mountain is just wilderness or lands controlled by other factions.

[fading shard]

how?

[sinful nimbus]

silk is lower level than soul so I hink is plausible that a lower level higher being would have to learn it from the top dogs how to manipulate it

[near jasper]

Silk would not have pharloom without the citadel helping

[floral quiver]

Her power stretches throughout Pharloom basically every animal and most people we see are Haunted.

[floral quiver]

Silk is made of Soul?

Like, that's what silk is?

[glacial warren]

Well yes but this is only due to the acts of the Bugs of the Whiteward and their surgical experimentation.

[sinful nimbus]

Its a physical medium to channel soul like you wouldn't see a real soul wizard using it

[floral quiver]

It's spun soul.

[glacial warren]

If her people hadn’t gone and stuffed silk into the bodies of everything they found, then the Haunting wouldn’t have reached nearly as far or been as severe of a problem.

[near jasper]

Ice is lower level than water

[sinful nimbus]

Nah pinstress says its silk infused with soul

Its like baby's first spell

[near jasper]

Basically the same thing

[sinful nimbus]

Not as impressive

[floral quiver]

Pinstress is also not an expert.

[sinful nimbus]

I'd trust a shaman with my magical endeavors more than a weaver

[sinful nimbus]

OK but Hornet doesn't correct her on this

[near jasper]

Id trust the sewing profesional on silk ngl

[floral quiver]

Why? They have entirely different magical traditions

[sinful nimbus]

Ahh ha! Truth. In Pharloom, yours is a rare skill, prized beyond measure, to channel one's soul within a thread. Soul and Silk inseparably linked.

[stray grove]

Silk is Soul 🤓

[sinful nimbus]

Say that again

[near jasper]

that again

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway nah

[stray grove]

I do think manipulation of raw soul demonstrates greater prowess

[limpid summit]

Wait genuinely when does she say this

[stray grove]

PV shaping pure soul into refined constructs vs FS weaving runes n shit (probably the most impressive Weaver feat)

[sinful nimbus]

I mean seamstress

[near jasper]

After drifters cloak

[limpid summit]

Ohhh

[floral quiver]

Fine thread spun from the soul of its creator. Highly coveted for its remarkable strength and mystical properties. Used to heal wounds, extend life, and weave powerful runes.

[near jasper]

Hornet glazing herself obviously

[floral quiver]

Eh, it shows less refinement in my eyes. Or rather, with runes one can more readily shape Soul into useful things rather than just forcing it do stuff through effort.

Also, PV visibly uses runes.

Heck, the King uses runes in all of his constructs, just using a physical medium to shape the soul runes rather than manipulating Soul directly to form them

[graceful grail]

Are there any enemies in silk song that actually have straight up homing projectiles?

Driznits dont count.

I cant think of one

[foggy stratus]

Does the flying guy with the spinny weapons in the Underworks count?

[graceful grail]

Not homing

[foggy stratus]

His double damage attack.

[graceful grail]

No, it locks on initially but dosent home during

[foggy stratus]

Sure as shit feels like it does tho.

[graceful grail]

So many hollow knight enemies do in the original game.

[foggy stratus]

Same with small Skarr's projectiles.

[graceful grail]

Nope, not homing

[foggy stratus]

Radiance, Spell Twisters, Soul Master. Is that it?

[trim flame]

uumuu and volt twisters also

[graceful grail]

Does Flukemarm count

[trim flame]

no

[foggy stratus]

Wait, Father of the Flame with it's Wisps, does that count?

[foggy stratus]

The Wisps seem to home after swapping to their attack form.

[graceful grail]

Nkgs pillar flames

[foggy stratus]

So that also means the Flame Cult worshipers and the Lantern things have homing.

[foggy stratus]

They just lock on, not home.

[graceful grail]

Ah, so homing projectiles are in silksong, thx

Unless they count as enemies

[near jasper]

Homing child soul shooting

[foggy stratus]

Wisps turn into a projectile.

[graceful grail]

My point was there are so much more homing attacks in hollowknight than silksong

[floral quiver]

Well yeah, homing attacks suck

[graceful grail]

Also, there are no projectiles in hollow night that you can parry.

You can parry pretty much every projectile in silksong.

Because in hollowknight, all the projectiles are orange infection

Mostly

[floral quiver]

Why would that make them unparryable?

[graceful grail]

Try parrying goop

[floral quiver]

There's a few goops you can parry in Silksong

[graceful grail]

I guess

In shellwood

[near jasper]

And the fly goop With cross stitch/warding bell iirc

[graceful grail]

Hornet might know how to parry goop better

[floral quiver]

And the pilgrim who spits at you

[graceful grail]

I guess

But i dont think its a skill issue on tks part

[floral quiver]

Hornet is just better at physical things like swordplay in general

At least by Silksong

[floral quiver]

I mean, if it can't do it and another bug can.

[graceful grail]

A long time since the events of hollowhnight

[floral quiver]

Implied but not directly stated. How long its been is a bit of a speculation

[graceful grail]

Also, in a patch TC removed all words that would scale time. Like Years. And just changed them for a long time ago

[floral quiver]

In both games?

Heard that for Hollow Knight

[graceful grail]

At least in hollowknight. But i never heard the word year in silksong

We dont even know if there are days rly

[floral quiver]

Silksong is much more vague from the off

[floral quiver]

There are cycles of time

The Underworks moves by them

Deep Docks tracks time by bell tolls

And Greymoor tracks time by silk harvests

[limpid summit]

Recent patch removed all mentions of years

From base game

Sorry wait

You said that

[floral quiver]

Yeah

[limpid summit]

You’re right there’s nothing in SS about it

[floral quiver]

Silksong lacked years in the first place

Didn't need to change anything

Hollow Knight had dialogue and lore mentioning discrete years which kinda hurts the "basically unknowable fallen Kingdom" vibes

[light verge]

really need to know how anyone in the HK or SS gets anything does or plans things with other bugs

[fading shard]

wait what

[light verge]

what time should we meet up?
uhhhh

[fading shard]

wdym they removed all mention of years

[floral quiver]

They just use measurements of time different from our standard

[graceful grail]

Base game changed in patch to remove all scales of time from diologue

[fading shard]

when did tihs happen what

[near jasper]

From the dev note list in the wiki

[near jasper]

A bit ago

[floral quiver]

By the 6th bell, which is the 4th harvest which is 15 beats into the current cycle.

[near jasper]

[fading shard]

when did they even mention year or years in hollow knight

[graceful grail]

The last stag

[floral quiver]

Like, it'd be more complex for people to plan things around time but nowhere near impossible

[fading shard]

oh right

anybody else then the stag though

[light verge]

dang

[floral quiver]

I do like the removal of "day" specifically considering that the game's are underground. There's no day night cycle

[fading shard]

because I'll be honest with all of you astute individuals, I have not been focusing on dialogue mentioning time all that much

[near jasper]

And a lot of weather related gods end up dead or leaving

Storm gods died, radiance is gone

[foggy stratus]

Radiance isnt weather related?

[near jasper]

Depicted as the sun

[foggy stratus]

A glowing orb. And that's a form she takes. And its unknown if any bugs have the concept of a star.

The only two depictions of her is the statue of her at Hallownest's crown and the Statue in Hall of Gods which is like her legs and an essence symbol iirc.

[floral quiver]

A fun thing, we know how many things are in a beat, 4 discrete things. Taking this forward, we can assume that Pharloom uses musical notation for measuring things. Going on from this, one could measure out specific lengths of time or amounts of goods by saying which meter is being used.

For example, quadruple meter would be 4 beats, each containing 4 things (time units, amount or weight of goods) which would be 16 things in total.

[near jasper]

Why are dreams cloudy

[floral quiver]

To make them feel more ethereal and "dreamlike"

Clouds signify formlessness and moldability

[gentle prawn]

The only way lace can be younger than hornet is if she was created while grand mother silk was asleep

Which is possible i guess but weird

[limpid summit]

What

Oh

I mean she probably was

“One to wish our waking”

She might have been created by a stirring GMS post Whiteward experiments

[near jasper]

Yeah plus its not like she needed more worshippers when she had the weavers

[limpid summit]

Might'a seen herself this place's protector, keepin' it clean and quiet as she did. Course quiet meant most crossin' her path found a painful end from her pin.

She contributed to the Citadel’s silence

And the haunting’s spread

[near jasper]

And when Phantom got abandoned the citadel had to be built for the organ to exist

Unless the weavers had a commically large weavenest and a sewer system on the same spot before they made the citadel

[trim flame]

are the workers in underworks haunted

[limpid summit]

Yes

[celest isle]

git gud

[light verge]

but apple egg is also haunted, so I wouldn't trust his opinion on these things

[tawdry flare]

he is haunted + infected so it cancels out and he is trustworthy again

[light verge]

are you implying apple is mindless 🙄

[graceful grail]

Its what the dreamnail looks like.

[foggy stratus]

Kinda ig.

[graceful grail]

We’ve only ever seen dream nails in hallownest. It might be because of its shape like the radiance how this one works.

But I would suspect that PK had some other way of accessing the dream realm, kuz he somehow moved a whole Palace there.

Maybe he made something new to shove it all in that kingsmould

[foggy stratus]

It was probably just Higher Being magic.

[graceful grail]

isn’t he more of a controller of soul rather than essence?

[foggy stratus]

Yeah but he still could have used magic to get into the Dream Realm.

[floral quiver]

He's a user of anything he can get his hands on.

Scientist type, yknow?

[foggy stratus]

Silk can access the Dream Realm so why cant Soul?

[graceful grail]

Which one did he use?

[stray grove]

Fuck’s sake man

PK could manipulate both Soul and Essence

[foggy stratus]

I don't know, some form of magic. Again, silk can access the Dream Realm so there's little reason Soul wouldn't be able to with some method.

[stray grove]

Soul can, the Snail Shamans can access the dream expanse using it

[graceful grail]

I guess, but when hornet access is the memories of the old hearts, there isn’t any of the weird swirly things that are in the rest of the dreamworlds

[foggy stratus]

She doesn't have Dream Nail so no visable essence.

[stray grove]

Hornet uses a Shaman spell, also Silk is Soul they’re the same thing

[floral quiver]

Memories aren't necessarily dreams

[stray grove]

Yes they are

[graceful grail]

Ig

[stray grove]

Memories are dreams they’re made of essence

[graceful grail]

Do you ever dream about your past?

[stray grove]

Dreams in HK aren’t literal dreams but yes?

[floral quiver]

Is there anything actually saying this?

[stray grove]

Seer dialogue

[graceful grail]

White defender 👁️ 👄 👁️

[stray grove]

I mean yes that is also a memory

[foggy stratus]

Dream Warriors.

[stray grove]

Essence... the precious fragments of light that dreams are made of

Seer literally says it

Anyway the term “dream” basically encompasses any and all activity that can occur inside a bug’s mind

Thinking is also dreaming which is why the DN reads thoughts

Dead people “dream” because minds persist after death

Et cetera

[swift needle]

the white palace we see is in the dream of the kingsmould

he didnt shove the palace in his mind

its the kingsmouls memories

memoryss*

OMFG

memorys*

[stray grove]

No

[foggy stratus]

No its the actual Palace.

[swift needle]

how

[stray grove]

PK moved it there

[swift needle]

where was this stated

[foggy stratus]

No ruins of the palace in the real world. Lemm comments on it.

Pretty sure the Wanderer's Jounral book also says it.

[stray grove]

You can clearly see the physical structure isn’t there anymore and Lemm comments on there being no signs of a struggle

The Kingsmould’s mind also has a seal on it and WP behaves unlike any other dream in the game

The palace itself is even fragmented in the dream expanse indicating it broke apart whilst PK was plane shifting it

[foggy stratus]

Or it shows PK's horrid mental state at the time of his death.

[stray grove]

Sure

[limpid summit]

Wdym sure

That’s tuff

Horf I never thought about that

[stray grove]

mf

People been saying ts for years

Well usually wrt the buzzsaws and shit but there’s no reason why that couldn’t be true of the palace itself too it’s clearly reflecting PK’s mental state

[lyric rose]

The buzzsaws are a metaphor

[foggy stratus]

Some defo were real tho.

I remember that when you're getting the buzz saw tool from Architect vendor they mention Hornet having "experience with rotary devices" and "expanding on that knowledge" to make the saw blade tool.

"You have affinity for such radial blades? I can b-build upon the idea-knowledge. Make them retract. Make them force-store."

[swift needle]

When was the plane shifting thing mentioned

[foggy stratus]

Not explicitly, but its implied. No signs of struggle and no ruins in the back ground while in the actual dream area you get a physical object and bring it back into the real world.

[limpid summit]

Yes I know

I’ve been saying it with regards to the buzzsaws

[lone folio]

What could the buzzsaws represent?

[swift needle]

So where’s the proof that the pk MOVED the white palace to the dream realm??

[foggy stratus]

I've said it.

[floral quiver]

Overbuilt security system?

[swift needle]

His hostility towards the vessels

[foggy stratus]

Several times.

[swift needle]

That isn’t proof that he moved it

[foggy stratus]

His horrific mental state or his want to be alone.

[foggy stratus]

Who else could it possible be???

[lone folio]

The evidence is the fact that there is no remains of the giant structure and some characters mention how it just vanished, I really don't know what else could of caused that

[swift needle]

We do see the front gate tho

[foggy stratus]

And that's it. Literally that's it. Nothing else. Gone without a trace.

[swift needle]

I guess

🥺

[lone folio]

That's a tiny part of it

[limpid summit]

Why would he take the front gate

People won’t be coming in anyway

[lone folio]

😭

[swift needle]

We see the front gate in the dream and physical world?

[floral quiver]

Wait, is the palace being shunted into the mind of a kingsmould in question?
Like, I could see it being an imprint with the "real" palace being destroyed when it was moved into the voidbased mind of the Kingsmould, I guess?

[lone folio]

Isn't this the gate?

[swift needle]

Ya

[lone folio]

Yeah the gate is just.. there

[stray grove]

Have you visited the remnants of his palace? It's down below this city, in the bedrock of the kingdom. Must've been an impressive sight in its time. Now there's nothing left.
It's a strange thing though. There are no signs of conflict around the area. It's as though the whole place just vanished.
If you’re going to argue the palace wasn’t moved then you could at least suggest a viable alternative for why it completely disappeared

[lone folio]

I guess the gates will was too powerful

[stray grove]

Part of the gate was removed and later replaced

You can see a big chunk of it is missing there along with the ENTIRE REST OF THE PALACE

[limpid summit]

You think he shaped the palace like a Wyrm on purpose

[stray grove]

That’s how his head looks

[foggy stratus]

Doesn't really look like one to me.

[stray grove]

PK is Wyrm shaped

Oh you mean the actual palace

Idk about that bro

[trim flame]

How do judges deam a bug pure

[stray grove]

They probably just decide on a whim

[floral quiver]

Esoterica

[stray grove]

On a real the requirement seems to be that you have to have never killed anyone

[limpid summit]

Yeah

I’m kidding

[trim flame]

but those poor two pilgrims

[limpid summit]

It’s just long and extending backward

[stray grove]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-serious-laugh-serious-emoji-gif-21439601

[limpid summit]

Blast from the past

[floral quiver]

If they were worthy they would have survived and won.

[lyric rose]

Random theory: Phantom’s “skirt” was the silk on their head that tore and fell backwards, hence why their head is not the same grey as their lower body.

[lyric rose]

Your PFP looks like the last judge if I’m not paying enough attention to it

Specifically the last judge collapsing onto the floor

[fierce narwhal]

if u turn up the saturation a bit i can see it

[foggy fractal]

I don't see it

[fierce narwhal]

the vague silhouette is kinda similar if you just like blur your eyes

[foggy fractal]

maybe if I'm like half asleep

[fierce narwhal]

yeah very that

[lone folio]

That's aura

[foggy stratus]

Looks more like Jerry from Tom and Jerry to me.

[coarse walrus]

whats up with the water area in trails end? any potential link to sea of sorrow potentially?

[foggy fractal]

yeah iirc pharloom bay (which got taken out of main game but is seemingly going to be added back in sea of sorrow) was supposed to be near that general area?

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)/Areas#Pharloom_Bay you should read this though it goes into more detail

[coarse walrus]

ty

theres also water near fleatopia as well which could be cool if connected too

[near jasper]

That rock formation is in general the border between pharloom bay and the rest of pharloom Id assume

[whole ridge]

Wingsmould

[mighty current]

Who is gurr actually

[craggy smelt]

some kind of guy

[mighty current]

Alr have a great time

[craggy smelt]

he's a mottled skarr, and they seem to be exiles among the ants

they get up to different stuff - selling Hornet gear, upgrading her tools, and ig hunting her for sport

gurr seemed pretty fixated on the hunt, seeing Hornet as the ultimate prey, her being a pale being and all

[mighty current]

Alr thx

Now I can suffer less on gurr

[frank dove]

He is mottled skarr so he still hears karmelita and is not haunted

Pretty much he is not haunted, just trying to catch a pale being

[halcyon cedar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/YgV3twQOE5k?si=hv274aOV5o7eYA4x

[frank dove]

Wait guys hold up

Old penitent singing dialogue:

From wastes, from darkness...
Silence above...
Drawn down... blessed call...

Sounds like old penitent was from nameless village...?

They also say 'Sisters... accord...' not sure what that could mean

[dire lynx]

its in relation to the filthy weavers drawing them down with false promises

[frank dove]

But old penitent IS from nameless village?

And does that mean surface is confirmed as sandsea wastes

[dire lynx]

i think so yes

[twin dragon]

I mean

id assume the surface are the wastes

they are literally indentical

[frank dove]

Does old penitent have chains

'Penitent, Eighth of the Twelfth.
Guilty of the sin of irreverence.
Penance by chaining.
Absolution granted after death.'

Seem reasonable?

Class is low, so as an outsider that followed weavers they were probably not that high

That thing they are wearing looks like it has a start of a chain link on it, but the chain broke maybe?

Hold up one sec

How many confirmed weavers are there (excluding ones we see in weaver's den)

[blissful harbor]

like alive or just in general?

[frank dove]

In general

Because in widow's memory in the cradle she says 'of the first... last...' (if widow is 12th of the 1st, that could be interpreted as there being only 12 weavers)

[dire lynx]

widow is not the 12th of the first

[frank dove]

Why not

[dire lynx]

because she wasnt casted

Penitent, Twelfth of the First.
Guilty of an unnamed sin.
Penance by casting.
Absolution not granted.

[foggy stratus]

I think we might see more Weavers in the Needolin memory.

[dire lynx]

she was split and pinned

[frank dove]

A lot of people theorize casting is the pins

That limit her silk

[dire lynx]

they are trying to put a square block through a circular hole

[foggy stratus]

Casting is probably something like getting incased in Carbonite.

[dire lynx]

casting implies being encased in some way

[frank dove]

Wait so like them getting preserved to give silk skills?

[foggy stratus]

That's more like mummification.

[dire lynx]

casting is a very metalworky term

my thought is that sinner was encased by molten metal

[frank dove]

It also has multiple meanings does it not

[foggy stratus]

I was thinking more like plaster. Or maybe molten hot magma.

[frank dove]

I have that up too xd

Trobbio is 12th of the first confirmed 😱

[foggy stratus]

Well obviously the casting here is in terms of acting.

[dire lynx]

wait...

[foggy stratus]

They've been casted to preform Catcher in the Rye for all eternity.

[dire lynx]

thats why hes tormented 🤯

[frank dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Silksong/comments/1rn2505/just_realized_something_about_widow_the_first/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1

Here

[dire lynx]

i've heard the arguments before, im not impressed

the use of casting is so badly stretched just to try force the theory

[foggy stratus]

What's this theory?

[dire lynx]

widow is the "casted" sinner

and the connection of first of the ___ is tenuous, it could easily just be the first set of sinners locked away

[frank dove]

I doubt this one

I think first does mean weavers

Whether widow is 12th or not is still questionable though

[dire lynx]

and as for Eighth of the Twelfth, or Fourth of the Fourth?

[foggy stratus]

I'd imagine a lore tablet regarding Widow would be more like "2nd of the 1st, sin of heresy, punishment by bounding and mutilation, absolution not granted" or something similar.

[frank dove]

That's what I've been wondering about for ages

[dire lynx]

i think its just intakes

[frank dove]

How we know she is 2nd

[foggy stratus]

I'm just guessing here.

Maybe like 1st of the 0th.

[dire lynx]

"the first" in reference to weavers is calling them the first children

[frank dove]

No I think it is of the 1st

[dire lynx]

so i dont see how that would be relevant or make sense for prison sentences

[frank dove]

Prison sentences and their class are not directly related

I think the 'intakes' or order they were brough in is determined by 1st number

[dire lynx]

the way i see it the first number is the prisoner and the second the certain intake, for example the 9th bug of the 20th intake

or in first sinners case, the first bug of the first intake

[frank dove]

Also I find it interesting how only 'of the first' are denied absolution

All others say absolution granted after death

And fs is still alive (kind of?)

[dire lynx]

shes dead

fully dead

she just wasnt forgiven in death

[frank dove]

Penitent, Twelfth of the First.
Guilty of an unnamed sin.
Penance by casting.
Absolution not granted.

Penitent, First of the First.
Guilty of the sin of apostasy.
Penance by constriction.
Absolution denied.

Actually 12th of the first says 'absolution not granted' not 'absolution denied'

[dire lynx]

the distinction here is interesting

it still doesnt really lend anything to the widow theory tho

[frank dove]

Yeah I think I no longer believe it

[stray fog]

How did the craws know that hornet was the one who caused the void haunting

[foggy stratus]

Good question.

Lemme see the journal entries.

Doesn't say anything.

I dunno then.

[idle mesa]

i think its like

shes the only one that can

more intuition

like if you live in a land of bugs who cant fight back and suddenly your army gets wiped

[stray fog]

My theory was that some craws overheard hornet saying that she caused act 3

But she doesn't say that to nuu, creige, or even the pilgrims in halfway home

[modest pewter]

Hornet probably got famous, freeing Bellheart/opening the Citidel to Refugees

[stray fog]

Maybe it happened in bellhart

[modest pewter]

And then shit goes down and who else could possibly have done it?

[stray fog]

They do know that hornet is half weaver

[idle mesa]

mhm

[near jasper]

They know shes a weaver

If you saw a weaver ring the bell that goes to the citadel, then 2 days after the evil silk disease gets stronger youd suspicious too wouldnt you?

[modest pewter]

do we know how long Act 2 takes?

[stray fog]

Yeah

[near jasper]

At least 2 minutes

Id say it takes at least one act

[stray fog]

If the craws eavesdropped on hornet's conversation with scrounge, bell hermit, or shakra in bellhart, they would be sure that hornet caused act 3

And bellhart is a place that craws can access

[frank dove]

0 days

[frank dove]

Doesn't that spear thing fall down

[stray fog]

But yeah, if some weaverling shows up and suddenly the apocalypse happens, they would be suspicious

[frank dove]

I think you are right, they overhear some conversation

Do you get the warning only after leaving the citadel?

[stray fog]

Birds are government spy drones confirmed

[stray fog]

It wouldn't be possible to reach bellhart without exiting the citadel

[near jasper]

The thing that lets you in the crawfather arena?

[frank dove]

Eh not what I'm talking about

Let me find it

[modest pewter]

Wiki says 20% chance after resting at Benches

After leaving the Citadel

[near jasper]

"[...]in Bellhart, Bilewater, Far Fields, Shellwood, Sinner's Road, and Wisp Thicket."

[modest pewter]

Exactly

So ig it's implied that they overhear it somewhere and send an invite?

[stray fog]

I was focusing on bellhart because it is close to greymoor

[modest pewter]

Would most players not head to Bellhart to see the damage? And/or speak to grumpy ||snail shaman||

[frank dove]

YES that

Sorry I saw it in a vid but couldn't find it

[stray fog]

They would go to songclave

[frank dove]

But it's only after leaving citadel so that makes sense with your theory

[near jasper]

-# the summons only appear after you meet the shamans again

[stray fog]

I think thats so that players don't get sidetracked

You're supposed to find out the cause of act 3 urgently

[modest pewter]

forgot about that

has anyone actually put together a timeline for how long the game takes in game? Is it a couple weeks? Months? 20 minutes because they're bugs?

[near jasper]

No one knows

I cant think of any time anyone mentions time outside talking about the future which doesnt help much

[stray fog]

Both games never mention any measurement of time

Except "ages"

Maybe they don't measure time because there is no day/night

And no seasons as far as we know

[dire lynx]

until the latest patch hunters journal from hk mentioned years

[stray fog]

Wait they actually changed hk lore?

[near jasper]

Yes

[stray fog]

Can they do something about the retcons 🙏

[near jasper]

The earth is flat so years dont work properly

[acoustic basin]

where can i read the entire silksong lore in order?

[stray fog]

Even we don't know the chronological order

[dire lynx]

nowhere, just gotta read the lore tablets, dialogue and watch cutscenes to put your own ideas together really

[near jasper]

Adelaide australia

[dire lynx]

HK wiki is an excellent resource to do this

https://hollowknight.wiki/

[stray fog]

You can watch ccmaci's video about this

(although no single video can cover the "entire" lore. It will only be the main plot)

[modest pewter]

isn't it just all underground? there wouldn't be day and night

[near jasper]

Dirtmouth and above in hallownest and nameless town in pharloom are in the surface

Plus storms exist/existed

[dire lynx]

A

[twin dragon]

I mean storms likely have a different definition

like theres a land of storms apparently

[modest pewter]

is dirtmouth on the surface? I thought it was just a large cavern

[dire lynx]

this screenshot has ur answer @modest pewter

[near jasper]

A

[stray fog]

Thats what Im saying
There is no day and night

[near jasper]

I mean dirtmouth should be pretty close to the surface

Since tiktiks apparently live close to the surface of hallownest

[stray fog]

How is howling cliffs not on the surface

[near jasper]

Idk dude

[stray fog]

Ig the wastes and the surface are different things

Even though they look identical

[near jasper]

Or

Retconknight

[stray fog]

Pls dont say retconsong

[near jasper]

:)

[stray fog]

🙏

[storm maple]

retconsong

[stray fog]

The surface of pharloom is very far above hallownest's crown if you compare the map🤔

[modest pewter]

howling cliffs is just a big rock inside cave ig

[stray fog]

So this could be possible

[modest pewter]

how is white lady a tree if she gets no sunlight

[stray fog]

Video game magic

[twin acorn]

isn't she a type of mushroom?

[near jasper]

Also apparently ellina (that one bug from the wanderers journal book) was returning to the surface when she got a glimpse of the knight

[near jasper]

Mushrooms dont have roots?

[dire lynx]

shes a root

[dire lynx]

potato can grow without light

[stray fog]

Can we lowkey say that leth is unreliable for lore and call it a day

[near jasper]

Team cherry really wrote litterally everything to contradict dirtmouth not being on the surface

So they could make leth look dumb

[stray fog]

Wouldn't the part above the soil still require light

The leaves specifically

[stray fog]

@every single person
New retconsong has been found

[near jasper]

Dont pale beings glow

[stray fog]

True

We're putting too much thought into this imo

[dire lynx]

she doesnt have leaves

[stray fog]

Lmao

True

[near jasper]

How did mister mushroom's shrooms grow in pharloom

[twin dragon]

they are the same pretty sure

[stray fog]

He has some people working under him
(because he is the "master herald")

[twin dragon]

there are wastes in the surface

[stray fog]

And those people probably placed that tablet in the pale lake

[stray fog]

I want to believe that too, but that comment from leth complicates things

[twin dragon]

who?

[stray fog]

Leth

[twin dragon]

Whos leth

[near jasper]

e1331

[twin dragon]

I mean they seem like the same thing

[stray fog]

Me

[twin dragon]

who the FUCK is leth

[stray fog]

He works with team cherry

Not on the game, but still

[twin dragon]

oh

if its not in-game its not canon

i think it goes like that

[stray fog]

@dire lynx was the comment from an AMA?

[dire lynx]

yes

i thik

[stray fog]

[near jasper]

Wanderers journal book:

[twin dragon]

uhh yeah aside from

shit

directly said or approved by

tc

[dire lynx]

them being the same doesnt really make sense when u put the two kingdoms next to each other(assuming the void sea is level)

[stray fog]

Pharloom could be inside a mountain

Or even better, a volcano

[twin dragon]

theyre likely scaled differently to adapt gameplay

[modest pewter]

i for one do not trust tc to make a working map, so void being level probably doesn't scale

[twin dragon]

Wastes could yk, have different levels too

[near jasper]

Surface climb is doing some heavy lifting for this map

[stray fog]

Even if you scale it down using the proportion of tk's height to hornet's height, pharloom is still much bigger

[dire lynx]

well, the argument is that the surface and wastes are the same

[twin dragon]

UH

well

they can have different levels

[stray fog]

Yes

[twin dragon]

i dont expect them to be a uniform plain

[modest pewter]

there's no way tc planned for us to compare void levels of the two maps to determine where the surface is

[stray fog]

The wastes have caverns, and they have a sea
So them having a mountain doesn't seem far fetched

[twin dragon]

"sea"

[stray fog]

Also, isnt cindril next to the surface?
That is much lower than the cradle, so it supports the mountain theory

[twin dragon]

its still sand

[stray fog]

sorrow

[twin dragon]

wastes

[dire lynx]

wastes

[twin dragon]

The surface and the wastes are likely the same kind of landscape

[stray fog]

wastes

[twin dragon]

maybe overlooking a cliff you can see the wastes

[near jasper]

Also that surface climb map is unnofical and litterally taller than all of pharloom which im pretty sure means the scale on it is wrong

[stray fog]

Im talking about pharloom bay

It is on the edge of pharloom

[twin dragon]

I guess

[dire lynx]

hornet does also call the wastes caverns, which implies they are still underground

[twin dragon]

but would it have to be a part of the wastes

[dire lynx]

These sands mark the edge of Pharloom's territory. I was brought to this land through the caverns beyond.

[stray fog]

Its on the borders so I think so

Even if we dont count the bay, there is water in the wastes in the opening cutscene of skong

[near jasper]

Pharloom is probably very tall compared to other land in universe

[stray fog]

The kingdoms are in caverns

We dont know if the wastes are also being called caverns here

[twin dragon]

The opening cutscene of skong is weird

we see what could be craws there

[stray fog]

Not necessarily

[dire lynx]

assuming all of hallownest is underground, then that would be consistent

i dont think the surface is ever clarified to be in cavern or not

[stray fog]

Holdon I gtg

Ill reply later

[gloomy void]

so, team cherry

¿¡WHERE'S THE HOLLOW KNIGHT!? he should be alive free from infection or at least Hornet had to say something about him, please bring something of our fallen hero in the DLC

[frank dove]

It is called surface

[frank dove]

Have you gotten 100% (nvm ignore me)

[dire lynx]

nah, HK3

[frank dove]

Oh

Wait I'm actually dumb

[dire lynx]

they will be the main character, trust

[frank dove]

I thought he said the knight

[gloomy void]

That would be the biggest flex in the lore, the fallen hero coming back to fight once more

But man, I really we could get more about what happened to them at least, even a small mention

but just give my buddy some vacations and send him to Stardew Valley

[limpid summit]

The cost of so much grandeur... Did I peer closely enough into the foundations of my own kingdom?

What do we make of this entry

Underworker enemy I forget which

Is she just saying platitudes or are we supposed to assume there was systems like this in the Nest

[sinful nimbus]

TC has the memory of a goldfish

[limpid summit]

I feel like no

Well true

[sick tinsel]

tbh this would be so tuff if it was real

[modest pewter]

HK is so big though

how would you dodge anything

[sick tinsel]

so ?

idk they coul just make a place where everything is big

[modest pewter]

but the lore

[sick tinsel]

yeah idk

i just want him back :(

[modest pewter]

don't get me wrong, would love to play as Hollow Knight

[sick tinsel]

he did not deserve that

[modest pewter]

it'd just be a very different game i think

[sick tinsel]

and diffrent mechanics

woul be a mix of silksong mechanics an hk if it was real

[dire lynx]

yeah, i feel like shes just saying it for the sake of it

try and put a little more PK hate in her journal

[sick tinsel]

but idnt hornet spend more time in hallownest than deepnest

hell she even calls herself daughter of hallownest

[dire lynx]

correct, she was raised in the white palace most her life

[modest pewter]

idk if she hates PK

for most of HK, she thought that keeping the Hollow Knight trapped was better than releasing the seal, so maybe she agreed with the plan?

At least until you prove yourself

[dire lynx]

she calls him a fool in the journal

[modest pewter]

which entry?

[dire lynx]

A crude construct of my father's fallen domain. Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding.

wingmould

[sick tinsel]

she calls him a fool in the wingsmould entry

[dire lynx]

she says this as if the kingsmoulds and wingmoulds didnt function perfectly lmao

just slandering him for no reason

[modest pewter]

granted, its been years, maybe decades/centuries since the events of HK, so she might have only changed her mind about it after the Knight killed the Radiance?

[dire lynx]

what does that change?

[modest pewter]

that she doesn't hate him or didn't think he was wrong at the time? i'd call lots of people i know fools in retrospect for some of the things they did years ago

[dire lynx]

what?

shes wrong to call him a fool here

[sick tinsel]

she aint wrong 🤷

[dire lynx]

pk DID succeed in fashioning the void to his bidding, the kingsmoulds and wingmoulds worked perfectly, wdym?

how is she right?

[cold peak]

We are not fools, we are the entire Coliseum

[dire lynx]

very insightful

[sick tinsel]

she is talking about all his void expermients not only moulds

also what is possible wingsmould purpose

[cold peak]

Alarm systems/searchlights without the lights for the palace grounds probably

[whole holly]

what's the topic

[sick tinsel]

"Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding"

[modest pewter]

The Knight: "the void isn't yours to control"

[whole holly]

oh yea

[dire lynx]

"just ignore the examples where it does"

[sick tinsel]

real

[twin dragon]

theres a theory around that eventually the void just kinda seeped out and killed the pk

[sick tinsel]

tbh many people get this wrong but the knight wouldve never been able to unite the void if it waent for the void heart

[limpid summit]

Why did Hornet only farm vessels instead of killing actual madmen desecrating Hallownest (Soul Master, Collector)

[modest pewter]

successful void experiments and free benches all across the kingdom

[twin dragon]

and im positive that the moulds wouldnt have lasted for a while

[modest pewter]

PK was a real one

[limpid summit]

The knight could have never used soul if soul didn’t exist

[dire lynx]

theres a theory that hornet is void and the knight is the pale king

[sick tinsel]

unlikly, most bugs thats died cause of void have black liquid leaking ou of thier eyes

[twin dragon]

theres a theory and theres fucking bullshit

[twin dragon]

pk has smt similar i think

[dire lynx]

wrong

[twin dragon]

nevermind

[dire lynx]

pks body is perfectly unblemished

[modest pewter]

his room is full of void particles tho

[twin dragon]

the void particles are interesting

[modest pewter]

most of the palace isn't

[sick tinsel]

no wth

[twin dragon]

also weirdly dark compared to literally everything else

[sick tinsel]

these "void" particles appear everywhere

its just a particle bro

[dire lynx]

void particles fall out of hornets cocoon

[twin dragon]

i dont think they are

i mean we dont know

[sick tinsel]

he prob oofed himself

[twin dragon]

give me another room in the palace with the same particles

[twin dragon]

how

did he just

fucking

[whole holly]

did he die of regrets, or was he assassinated by sharpe?

[twin dragon]

sit to death

[sick tinsel]

🤷

[twin dragon]

this opens a whole ass can of worms

can sharpe delve into dreams?

is sharpe a platforming god?

[sick tinsel]

high chance

[whole holly]

i am joking dude, it likely wasn't sharpe, or was it?

[twin dragon]

we dont fucking know

we know nothing about sharpe

[sick tinsel]

we know that whatever the city of steel is its a VERY advanced civlization ruled by "masters"

[swift needle]

He foreshaw that he needed to kill himself for a vessel to collect his loot

Maybe

[twin dragon]

city of steel compressed my siblings

into steel boxes

and forced them to cast void shit

[sick tinsel]

haha

[swift needle]

Steel?

NETFLIX

[twin dragon]

STEEL

[swift needle]

NETFLIXXXX

[twin dragon]

BALL

RUUUUUUN

[swift needle]

WHERE IS ITTT

[twin dragon]

WHERE IS SBR, WHERE IS IT

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-joestar-king-von-king-von-johnny-joestar-anti-piracy-screen-johnny-joestar-tiktok-sticker-netflix-gif-15496977903175842722

[sick tinsel]

🏀 🏃‍♂️

oh wait

steel bug ?

[swift needle]

Steel bug run

[sick tinsel]

can it ?

[swift needle]

Steel bug float

[whole holly]

is it me or do Steel Bugs feel really durable

[swift needle]

Actually genius?

[whole holly]

they are basically stronger version of Cogwork Bugs

[sick tinsel]

you cant damage them

[acoustic basin]

Faaaaah

[whole holly]

talking about Steel Seer Zi or Steel Soul Jinn, we can bounce on their heads infinitely

[sick tinsel]

hear me on this

[acoustic basin]

welp shiet, time to get to work i

[acoustic basin]

💀

[whole holly]

elaborate

[sick tinsel]

what of kingsmouls and wings moulds are made of the same steel as jinn and zi

[acoustic basin]

nah i understand the main plot, i wanna like theorize bout shi like which ending of hk is canon now, why didnt the shade lord just stop the tendrals from attacking instead of aura farming

[sick tinsel]

but we could hit them because they are half naked

[whole holly]

they are made from Rune etched White Shell, Steel Bugs are made from Steel, but i think Steel Bugs may contain void too, or potentially essence or soul, who knows how they are automated, but they are implied to be not organic

[near jasper]

Shade lord/the knight didnt know what was happening with us until we stumbled onto eachother

[sick tinsel]

they are compressed bugs

[whole holly]

i mean yeah, but they feel less alive, what if compression has similar effects to hollowing out vessels experienced in abyss

[acoustic basin]

but isnt shade lord the ruler of the void? why would be the void tendrals be attacking john silksong when he was there? (talking bout the cutscene in the sister of void ending)

[whole holly]

Steel Soul Jinn is clueless bug who doesn't know her purpose

[near jasper]

He wasnt there

[sick tinsel]

all we know its a VERY painful thing

[twin dragon]

The voidheart has its limitations probably

[near jasper]

Voidheart probably only works to a certain range

[sick tinsel]

no hes the united void given form

[near jasper]

We probably silk soared at an angle and got really lucky to find it

[acoustic basin]

well, attacking ones sibling doesnt look like unity to me

[sick tinsel]

maybe because the knight controls it based off his will

[acoustic basin]

he appeared in an instant, im sure he was close enough to order the void tendrals

[twin dragon]

Will could be interpreted as some kind of rule

[near jasper]

Not in an instant

[sick tinsel]

the knight is still united with his siblings tho

[twin dragon]

this is probably not the case but still

[sick tinsel]

its up to his will

nobody can control the entire void

[sick tinsel]

yea

[twin dragon]

and tk needs to enact it

or yk, the tendrils did stop but tk still chose to break them because hype moments and aura

[acoustic basin]

it wasnt even seconds, pharloom shouldnt be THAT close to hallownest

[sick tinsel]

or maybe the tendrils are forms that hardly unite with the knight so he chose the easy path

and if we apply real life stuff to the game, they were going in a very high speed to be stopped

[twin dragon]

theyre still part of the void

[acoustic basin]

this one seemes reasonable, but, the void heart charm says "Unifies the void under the bearer's will", so this would imply the whole void no?

[sick tinsel]

so yea wouldent blame little ghost

[twin dragon]

Yeah they were likely acting on instinct

as the void does

[sick tinsel]

will is still is a limitation ig ?

[whole holly]

it is probably easy for Lord of Shades to traverse in Abyss to another Abyss area especially if they are just swimming in void

[sick tinsel]

or maybe instant teleportation

[near jasper]

Maybe it works like the haunting

[near jasper]

They are under the persons Will

The person just lets them do their usual stuff if they dont care

[whole holly]

yeah, who knows

[twin dragon]

likely the tendrils are acting with wtv instinct void has if tk's not there to be recognized

[sick tinsel]

guys im pretty sure its simpler than that

[foggy stratus]

What's going on rn?

[sick tinsel]

something going in a high speed cannot be insta stopped

[foggy stratus]

Shade Lord talk?

[sick tinsel]

so the knight had to tear them apart

[near jasper]

Yeah

[sick tinsel]

silksong ending

[twin dragon]

is tk that fast doe?

[sick tinsel]

he tp

trust

[foggy stratus]

Is it on how the Void was acting in a way TK wouldn't have wanted?

[sick tinsel]

yea

im saying now that the knight didnt stop the tendrils because they were too fast and chosed to tear them apart instead

[foggy stratus]

I always figured it was because TK itself didnt know about it until it sensed Hornet in it and went to check it out.

[acoustic basin]

hmm could be ig, but to what extent? We know that the Knight isnt TRULY hollow cz it willed to fight and beat the radiance, some way or another

[foggy stratus]

Yeah that makes sense.

[acoustic basin]

yeah makes sense

[sick tinsel]

but his whole life was being without a strong will

[foggy stratus]

Pure not Hollow and what would that have to do with it?

[sick tinsel]

and it got stronger by HK events

[acoustic basin]

wait, this probably is the best explanation theory i got

[acoustic basin]

idk really, js came to mind cz he said will

[sick tinsel]

makes sense

[foggy stratus]

Well I'm going back to doing Mt. Fey in Act 1 now.

[sick tinsel]

after all we see in ETV that the shade lord dosent control anything other than his form

[sick tinsel]

[twin dragon]

(dream no more is also a possibility)

[acoustic basin]

ig maybe its more like, he CAN control it, but just doesnt? unless he needs to? idk

[foggy stratus]

Nearly got soft looked but hey I'm undisturbed and am infact invigorated by the fact that I'm not truly soft locked if I run out of tools.

Anyways, adido.

[acoustic basin]

i mean, that would have to mean the knight fought the godseekers in his void form.. kinda wanna see that fight

also

[twin dragon]

no?

nothing to do w that

the ending splits the timeline

its either dnm or etv

not both

[sick tinsel]

ye but ETV feels nicer for me because my beloved THK dosent die

[twin dragon]

etv doesnt have a conclusion on thk and feels mid

[acoustic basin]

im not saying its etv, the "also etv" part was me branching off to another topic 😭 sorry for the confusion

[twin dragon]

ah its fine

[acoustic basin]

so as i was sayin

in etv

it isnt the knight who fights the HK or the radiance, if we assume that the godseeker thingy happens last chronologically

so

like

[sick tinsel]

meh

[acoustic basin]

what happens to hallownest

[twin dragon]

it is tk

[sick tinsel]

i mean even in DNM

we cant say THK died

we dont see his skull

[twin dragon]

dnm is the perfect lead

[acoustic basin]

it is?

[sick tinsel]

like tk

[twin dragon]

we see his fucking shade

[twin dragon]

Yeah

i mean

not thk

but tk does fight the radiance

[acoustic basin]

How do we know/assume this?

[sick tinsel]

but we dont see his skull 🤷

we see tk one

but not thk

[acoustic basin]

wait nvm yeah i remember

fights radiance

yeah

but

what about the HK

[twin dragon]

they just kinda

stand in front of hornet

[acoustic basin]

is he just let go of his restraints?

[twin dragon]

we see his shade

[sick tinsel]

other endings can explain his disappearence but not dnm

[twin dragon]

and tk isnt dead either presumably

[twin dragon]

schrodinger's thk

they didnt include thk for the ambiguity

[acoustic basin]

damn, hollow knight : pure vessel comign in 2032?

[sick tinsel]

i mean were fighting the radiance inside of THK mind so it would make sense to see his shade

[acoustic basin]

so in that case, if we assume etv is the "true" ending, hornet dealt with thk in that ending, whether it be putting it to rest or whatever else, is that right?

[twin dragon]

I dont know how the hell that would work

seeing your own corpse in your mind

[twin dragon]

we dont know

[sick tinsel]

shades are not corpes

[twin dragon]

maybe they fought maybe they js went opposite directions

[acoustic basin]

but what can we assume

[twin dragon]

they are whats left of a vessel

siblings are lingering wills of them

[acoustic basin]

rewatching the scene, shi doesnt look like they were gon go withotu a fight

[twin dragon]

likely why thk and voidheart tk have agency is because they have enough will to remain

[sick tinsel]

Echo of a previous life. Defeat it to retake its power and become whole.

[twin dragon]

idk the canonicity of this

[sick tinsel]

man idk thats too complicated to explain

[twin dragon]

A more trustable description would be

of the sibling

[sick tinsel]

hold on

it says fragment

feels more accurate

[twin dragon]

Yeah that

wtv

my point stands

theyre remnants of wtv vessel

[high bronze]

Would thk recognize hornet or no?

[sick tinsel]

meh

[twin dragon]

thats literally what they are

[sick tinsel]

most likely

[twin dragon]

we even see tk leave its shade when dead

[acoustic basin]

the only instance of them meeting we get confirmation of in the game is when her helping tk

so yes, he would remember her (as we saw thk stabbing himself to help them)

[twin dragon]

Maybe in the palace at some point?

nothing points to this but it could be

[acoustic basin]

but idk whether it will be hostile or friendly

[sick tinsel]

were talking about THK, the fight with the radiance is INSIDE of his mind, INSIDE of his body, just like his shade

[twin dragon]

I mean thk likely died either way

from everything that was happening

[acoustic basin]

its very much possible, but most of hornets childhood is implied to be spent with the weavers, but again, that doesnt meant they wouldnt be able to meet in the palace, hornet did go to the palace when she was young

[twin dragon]

its also very weird

like having their remains in their own mind

[sick tinsel]

whats wierd

[twin dragon]

it is likely the vessels have a different kind of mind or pk created a containement chamber for the radiance

[acoustic basin]

respectfully, at that point its just fanfic

[sick tinsel]

we literally see remains of other siblings there

[twin dragon]

Yeah

[twin dragon]

This is also fucking weird

they're not supposed to be there

[high bronze]

We see in the red memory hornet is pretty grown up in the white palace and is aware of the whole situation, so idk

[sick tinsel]

they are the containment chamber bro

[twin dragon]

if its thk's mind only

apparently the void can exist between both states or sm shit

simultaneously with the same properties

we dont see thk either way

where would they go lmfao

hornets there

[acoustic basin]

well, hornet knew about thk's existence when she was little, that much can be guranteed, but whether thk knew we cant figure out

[twin dragon]

thk probably was seeing some wild shit

[sick tinsel]

thats literally my point, just like we see this

we should see one for THK

he wasent absorbed like in other endings so he disappear

[twin dragon]

Yeah but what other explanation could there be

my guy was literally seeing shit and shed their shade mid fight

did thk get vaporized?

it is implied that they're dead

[high bronze]

Maybe the camera just didn’t show it

[acoustic basin]

eh wouldnt be too likely, there isnt anythign that even remotely implies or any attack that seems to be able to vaprize thk, maybe they just withered away or smth?

[twin dragon]

did thk transcend reality and died in the dream realm or smt

[sick tinsel]

no

am telling yall its anything but dea

[twin dragon]

no

they're literally dead

the shade's THERE

[sick tinsel]

wtv you say atp 🥀

[twin dragon]

this is like saying "your organs are inside you, therefore they can also physically interact with your mind"

[acoustic basin]

"the Hollow Knight returns as a Shade that rips open the Radiance's face,"

maybe he fuckign dies after he uses all his power doing this? idfk

[sick tinsel]

im done with this vro your entire point is "we see his shade"

[twin dragon]

Yeah

that's all you need to know

your evidence is based off something we cant confirm nor deny likely

[acoustic basin]

okay so, who is on hk is dead and who is on hk is alive?

[twin dragon]

"we dont see his body!!1!1 hes alive!!!"

[sick tinsel]

yeah ?

[twin dragon]

we see his innards that should be enough

and wtv happened in that dream is physical

[acoustic basin]

tbh, im more inclined to think that, after his shade sreding the radiance, the hk just returns to the void like other siblings

[twin dragon]

Likely, though we're discussing if theres a possibility that thk's somehow alive

[acoustic basin]

the hk is also made of voide, so it wouldnt make sense for him to not return

[twin dragon]

because we dont see thk in the black egg after dnm

[acoustic basin]

in the DNM ending? I dont think the hk is alive in a sense that he has a physical body but could be in a sense that he lives on as a void entity

[twin dragon]

Yeah dnm

that's what i think, enough will to keep lingering as a shade and not decay into the void

but not "alive" in the corporeal way

[acoustic basin]

pseudo life ig we could call it

like

he exists

but, as a concept

[twin dragon]

Wtv tk is in dnm or etv

something similar

[acoustic basin]

yeh, shit would be simpler if they js showed thk liek they did in etv

[twin dragon]

Thk with their head popped off

[acoustic basin]

🙏 😭

i mean, we did literally crack bros head, would be very hard to live after that

[sick tinsel]

who

[acoustic basin]

thk's head, didnt hornet pry it open or smth

bro fuck everything, at least we know passign of the age is canon

[sick tinsel]

not really, if thats the case then if we do sealed siblings he would insta die

[acoustic basin]

makes sense

[twin dragon]

she holds thk enough and the dream nail ripped away the seal

though

idk what effects it could've had physically

[sick tinsel]

the most middle ground explnation is that his body acsended like the seer or something

[acoustic basin]

yeh... tho the seeker is a real insect and thk is a vessel for the void.... so..... yeh idk

[twin dragon]

or that thk somehow exploded after the radiance died

[acoustic basin]

i dotn like this idea

seems too uneventful

[twin dragon]

i mean we do see the void leaking around the black egg n shit, some physical stuff did happen

the grounds also marked with an impact i think

[acoustic basin]

now that never fuckign happened now did it

[sick tinsel]

maybe he just exploded into essence 🤷

[sick tinsel]

sea
of
sorrow

[acoustic basin]

maybe his shell exploded and his void got out.

idk

[acoustic basin]

i can bet all my life savings on the fact that NOTHIGN from hallownest will appear in sea of sorrow

except hornet ofc

[acoustic basin]

i hope i am wrong

[sick tinsel]

nah

[acoustic basin]

but i dont think i am

[sick tinsel]

lifeblood

[acoustic basin]

well, we call it the plasmium now, we cool like that

[twin dragon]

idfk how that would work

[twin dragon]

please tc

[sick tinsel]

and uh back to previous topic (last one i swear) we see essence going out of thk shell so uh

[twin dragon]

i dont want more hallownest

[twin dragon]

That's the radiance's essence and an indicator for the player to dreamnail

the void also likely persists in the physical world or somehow both

[acoustic basin]

i do... like a linking from pharloom to kings pass

[sick tinsel]

ok

[sick tinsel]

it wont happen

[acoustic basin]

yeah i kno

copium at its max

[sick tinsel]

we ont have wastelands on eastern pharloom

if we take the wind as a direction

[twin dragon]

wym

the wastes surround pharloom just like every other kingdom

[acoustic basin]

i mean, maybe there is we js dont see it or cant access it?

[sick tinsel]

yea but theres no connection

[twin dragon]

we dont see it

[sick tinsel]

nvm

i checked

my bad

hallownest should be in pharloom wastern side

[spark valve]

They could be in any direction from each other

[lofty beacon]

Maybe they're fake, maybe the pale king isn't dead and he's js faking the existence of both the kingdoms, the bugs there aren't real and the knight and hornet are both schizos

[random sorrel]

btw i'm a little confused on the nature of the citadel caste

[twin dragon]

what about it?

[random sorrel]

like, are they aware of the weavers and the role they play?

[twin dragon]

The higher caste likely

but there are no weavers so the conductors are in full control

[random sorrel]

so the rest just kinda unquestionably worship GMS

[twin dragon]

I mean

they moreso worship the citadel itself

[random sorrel]

ah i see

[twin dragon]

and they dont know their god is enslaved

hell, the higher caste didnt even

until a certain point

which was devastating to them

[sick tinsel]

no

look at the trailer

and skong opening

[spark valve]

I’ve seen the trailer it doesn’t matter

The camera could be oriented differently between the games and where they enter Pharloom is based on where the door is not the direction of Hallownest

[sick tinsel]

meh

cant be the case

the opening cutscene

the wind direction

[twin dragon]

The door looks like the one at the edge of blasted steps

[spark valve]

Wind notoriously only exists in one direction at a time

[spark valve]

It is

They’d use that door no matter what direction they came from