sk-lore

[keen narwhal]

this

[twin dragon]

You join the order actually

[vestal oracle]

She taught who

[vestal oracle]

@keen narwhal

[whole holly]

one in Putrified Ducts?

[keen narwhal]

those dart dudes

[twin dragon]

ye

[vestal oracle]

Oh

[vestal oracle]

It could be yea

[keen narwhal]

they look very similar

[whole holly]

she died sadly

[keen narwhal]

and seem to be the same species as the nail master

[foggy stratus]

Never really thought of that tbh, but anyways. The Nail Masters are a similar thing where anyone can join given they have the skill.

[twin dragon]

Before ofc

[vestal oracle]

Idk because pinstress didnt have a mask

Do yall remember people used to say primal aspids would own sk before release

Now look at what we have

So many enemies even worse

[whole holly]

it is possible they can be similar social group but one is all female order other is all male(excluding knight)

[vestal oracle]

I meant primal aspids would solo sk

[twin dragon]

primal aspids were never really bad at all

[keen narwhal]

what do you mean mask? they all have hoods

[twin dragon]

i hated the loodle thingies more

[vestal oracle]

Ok idk what is happening
Can u pls tell what ur theory was

[near jasper]

Having most projectiles being parriable in Silksong is a godsend

[keen narwhal]

those dart dudes in bile water have the same clothing as the sister we see from using the silk instrument abality

[keen narwhal]

fr

[vestal oracle]

I thought that was just moss and things

[keen narwhal]

so the pintress's sister and why she was in bile water is most likely becuase she lived there

[vestal oracle]

Ye

[keen narwhal]

nope those are cloths

[vestal oracle]

Oh

[keen narwhal]

and she tuaght those bug dudes who were leaves and shoot darts in bilewater

[vestal oracle]

But why

[keen narwhal]

they have the same mouth as pinstress

[twin dragon]

we dont know that

[whole holly]

it makes sense because Pinstress fight in Mt.Fay has similar attack

[vestal oracle]

Thats why its a theory

[keen narwhal]

to rotect bile water from the citadel but that didnt work from what we see

[twin dragon]

its not a theory without evidence

[vestal oracle]

Oh wait now that makes sense

[keen narwhal]

yes

[keen narwhal]

bro look at the pinstress and thos dudes who shoot darts

[vestal oracle]

It makes sense the mt fay pinstress is similar

[whole holly]

Pinstress fight in Mt.Fay has similar attack though, it is at least grounds for speculation

[keen narwhal]

and the pintresses bilewater sister

[limpid summit]

I had to make sure this was true but Mato offers to train Ellina so maybe maybe not

[keen narwhal]

so many resemblances

[keen narwhal]

yes

[whole holly]

wait what? i didn't know that, that's for telling me

[twin dragon]

The spear ones have 4 legs

I mean

[limpid summit]

Pinstress is a Craw

She caws when she sings and her attacks are the same as the squatcraws not the stilkin

[whole holly]

they both flap in same way

[foggy stratus]

Oh my god...

[keen narwhal]

but the other ones dont they probably have cousins who look like that

[limpid summit]

Dude when someone told me she cawed I thought it was another old penitent conductor melody thing

But she does caw

[foggy stratus]

Birb Pinstress

[twin dragon]

she's vaguely similar i guess

appereance wise

[keen narwhal]

no wonder they can fly

[twin dragon]

They also don't use any melee weapon

If pinstress was a craw wouldn't she be able to fly

[keen narwhal]

but pintresses also throws darts technically

when you fight her

[whole holly]

so does Craws

[twin dragon]

her thing's the nail art thingy yk

and wielding PINS

[keen narwhal]

and we could also say the sister whoo lives in bilewater only uses darts

[twin dragon]

?

[keen narwhal]

we dont know her exact fighting style

[twin dragon]

they all use pins

PINSTRESS

[whole holly]

i guess they are similar with different clothing

[keen narwhal]

yes you dont get what im saying

bro

[twin dragon]

cant fly doe

[keen narwhal]

pintress kinda can

[twin dragon]

and yk, the beaks

[keen narwhal]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[twin dragon]

that's not a biological feature of hers

[keen narwhal]

ok

the green sister most likely used pins as darts

[whole holly]

pinstress floats, craws flap, they are still similar, it is possible that cloaks allow them to

[twin dragon]

The skillset could've just originated from the pinstress order

the craws copy n pasted it

[keen narwhal]

and the annoying dart dudes maybe didnt have pins so they made a new weapon boooooooom

[foggy stratus]

Off topic but I just noticed that while in the Slab without her needle Hornet is using her knee as a weapon. Don't know why but I find it kinda funny.

[twin dragon]

silksong fans trying so hard to NOT relate 2 things that are vaguely similar

[keen narwhal]

@twin dragon

[twin dragon]

?

[keen narwhal]

....

looooooook

[twin dragon]

twin

pins arent hard to come by

[keen narwhal]

bro in bilewater i think it would be hard

[twin dragon]

and they craft spears

[keen narwhal]

yes alternative pinssssss

[near jasper]

Off Topic Where are the straight pin weapons used outside the craw

[keen narwhal]

omg

[whole holly]

sure, man.... idc about that but they are clearly similar

[twin dragon]

I guess

[keen narwhal]

idk

they seem to only use it

[near jasper]

These are meant to be Common weapons right?

[keen narwhal]

anywaysssssssssss the green sister taught the dart dudes and they were running out of pins so they mad a new weapon a spear someetimes having boms at the end

booooooooom

[keen narwhal]

wait dont the citadel gaurds who fly use it?

[twin dragon]

how were they running out

these throw 3 spears a pop

[near jasper]

No like the tool straight pin

[twin dragon]

pins are a melee weapon that i assume also lasts a while

[near jasper]

And threefold pin (which is the same thing)

[keen narwhal]

omg they are why keep makinga metal pin when you can make a easy quickwood weapon that is still as effiecent

bro your constantly using pins to stop citadel losers from coming in your lands

[near jasper]

Wait no actually it makes sense theres no straight pins

[twin dragon]

They have all sorts of traps n shit

[keen narwhal]

thats like saying why would someone run out of metal arrows

its metal

[near jasper]

Theyre probably from loddies tribe which is gone

[twin dragon]

Can you run out of a sword?

[keen narwhal]

its gonna be hard to keep making

[twin dragon]

sure, it can break

but you keep the metal

[keen narwhal]

bro they dont use swords

they wernt taught that

[twin dragon]

if a pinstress were to be there, yk, they could've

[keen narwhal]

they were taught by the green sister not the blue or red

[keen narwhal]

yes if the blue one was there she would help them beat ass

[twin dragon]

but ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say that ranged weapons are preferable due to the environment

[keen narwhal]

but she wants to be isolated

alone

so no

[twin dragon]

They're all part of one order

[keen narwhal]

thank you

[keen narwhal]

yes but they all could have differnt styles in the same group

we dont know what the red sister does

[twin dragon]

Fair enough

[keen narwhal]

but blue is a sword master

[keen narwhal]

thank you

[twin dragon]

they should share the charged strike though

[twin dragon]

they're all called pinstresses for a reason yk

[keen narwhal]

and if your in a jungle swamp thing arrows would be best for getting around

[keen narwhal]

yes but pins can be used in differnt ways

ranged and melee attacks

[twin dragon]

Doesn't mean that she's part of the stilkin though

[near jasper]

And whatever needle strikes are

[twin dragon]

I see the possibility that she could've been accepted by groal or smt

[keen narwhal]

yep

[twin dragon]

but she differs from the stilkin quite a bit

[keen narwhal]

yes she was helping groal protect her home

[twin dragon]

we dont know that

we can only speculate

a line of dialogue would go a long way 4

[keen narwhal]

yes becuase she is most likely the same species but was born and raised in a differnt environment and went to live in the swamps

[keen narwhal]

i know but it makes most sense

[twin dragon]

They don't look very similar

aside from the beak maybe

[keen narwhal]

how

[twin dragon]

the proportions aren't quite the same and stilkins are very obviously based off of mosquitoes

[near jasper]

Are they?

[twin dragon]

I see them as such

Like yk, in a swamp

and they're annoying..

we have a thousand squit-likes but still

[near jasper]

I feel like theyd have a more defined whatever you call the back part of a mosquito

[twin dragon]

male mosquitoes or wtv

ehh probably some kind of swamp bug

[near jasper]

Stiltkin can also just mean a person from the bilewater area and not necessarily a species

[keen narwhal]

hold up ill brb

ok im back for a sec

[keen narwhal]

yeah i think they are a distant cousin of sorts and also they dont even have to be related all that im saying is the green sister moved to bilewater and most likely taught thos mosquitos

and she was likely a pinstress who uses pins as darts

and the mosquitos dont have swords becuase that wasnt her expertise

but she taught them ranged combat and they realised using metal pins all the time isnt helping that much and invented darts with a bomb and regular wood darts

but i think they would be good at close combat if they were taught by the blue sister

but she wants to be left alone

[candid linden]

why in this game we have a compass but in hk its a wayward compass

[foggy stratus]

Wayward compass is magical.

Compass is a device.

[candid linden]

hmm

[random harbor]

Charm: Wayward Compass

Whispers its location to the bearer whenever a map is open, allowing wanderers to pinpoint their current location.

@lexmolten used /charms category: L-W charm: Wayward Compass

[candid linden]

I wonder what it sounds like

[foggy stratus]

The One Ring.

[keen narwhal]

and also the green sister from what we see doesnt seem like the type to be good at close range combat that includes the red sister i also think maybe the red sisters expertise was making their blimps and making their lcothing she doesnt seem like a battle hungry type she seems like if she were to fight she would have the saw circlet hornet can equip

sorry im back

@twin dragon

and when i say circlet i mean the saw hornet can equip to her clothing and when she double jumps she makes a saw around her

so yeah

they all are pintresses but one is good at melee one is probably good at ranged attacks and one is good with making the clothing they wear and use in their fight style

[twin dragon]

fym

we literally dont know

youre just making up shit

[keen narwhal]

i said from what we see

[twin dragon]

the sister in far fields found sewing a hobby as she drifted away from fighting

[keen narwhal]

and my interpretation

[twin dragon]

and yk, she needed to hhide

[keen narwhal]

i havent said this is true

[twin dragon]

also the sister in far fields seems to be proficient in melee aswell

the pin stuck in the fourth chorus is the melee kind

They can, yk, specialize in both close quarters and ranged combat

i just find the lack of any melee at all not help your point

[keen narwhal]

listen who cares good info thank you for clarifying but its most likely the green sister taught the mosquitos

[twin dragon]

We dont know that

its possible but we can't say fs

[keen narwhal]

i said they may not be profecient at melee but can do it

[keen narwhal]

i know

i just said most likely

[twin dragon]

I wouldn't say most likely either as we're connecting loose dots

but there is a chance yeah

[keen narwhal]

ok well then good

ill figure out more evidence and stuff

[twin dragon]

i dont think there is

like this is pretty much all we have

[keen narwhal]

well true but we have dots we can try to connect to come up wth this

ybut yeah

thats what i think

[twin dragon]

very loose

[keen narwhal]

yes and maybe on this wont be true it may be true who cares right now. and maybe we will find new info inthe dlc

[twin dragon]

Yeah, maybe they add some much needed dialogue and qol like they did in grimm troupe

[keen narwhal]

yes

we must see first

so until then thast my theory

[wet walrus]

Pale King dream fight would be insanely cool

I wish it was possible in sk but Hornet never met that man soooooo

[foggy stratus]

She most certainly did.

[keen narwhal]

lowkey it would just be him throwing saws at you

[foggy stratus]

Phase one is saws, phase two is fucked up soul magic.

[narrow horizon]

what

[keen narwhal]

fr third is he summons his son

[wet walrus]

Nah but seriously though. Like nailsage sly fight but pk throws all kinds of spells t you

[keen narwhal]

and you get sent to a new boss fight

and then after you must do parkour

just to hit him

[keen narwhal]

and then summons the HK like megumi with mahoraga

[wet walrus]

She only really shared a moment with her mother herrah later she was entrusted to vespa

[keen narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/with-this-treasure-i-summon-megumi-mahoraga-gif-17411827983770801229

[foggy stratus]

"That's it, Pure Vessel come kick your halfsister's ass."

[wet walrus]

Though maybe she had a moment with pk since she is seen dressed like his devotees

[foggy stratus]

Then she spent time with White Lady and in turn Pale King.

[wet walrus]

Or maybe that is the dress code for all royal retainers

[narrow horizon]

He's her dad and it would make 0 sense if she had met WL but not PK

it's just royal clothing lol

[keen narwhal]

that fight would go crazy

do yall think he would teleport you into path of pain mid fight

[wet walrus]

"My favourite child go get my illegal daughter"

[keen narwhal]

all while being chased by HK

https://tenor.com/view/itadori-itadori-yuji-mahito-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-2192855507341033122

[wet walrus]

The weavers tell hornet prove yourself more weaver than wyrm
Perhaps PK might have told her about her nature as a daughter of a hb.

Team Cherry however is lazy when it comes to sk lore tbh. They probably didn't want to add cutscene for a guy who is never seen to speak to anyone directly.

Only "no cost too great"

[keen narwhal]

oh true also im back

[twin dragon]

Hornet didn't seem to like the pk very much

[wet walrus]

Tbf she said enough of her family was lost to void and the person who caused that was him

[twin dragon]

esp when she lost one in front of her

and then got the revelation that, infact, tk isn't lost but found

[regal nebula]

just asking but is gms hornet entry in hunters journal a joke?

[near jasper]

?

[regal nebula]

at the end it says driving the bugs to madnes and discord

[near jasper]

Yeah?

[tawdry flare]

what about that

[regal nebula]

madnes and discord is discord bad or smt?

[tawdry flare]

discord means chaos

[near jasper]

[regal nebula]

ooooooooooooooooooooooh

that explains alot

[terse warren]

it means disagreement

[silver prawn]

True

[naive sluice]

bread👍

[tawdry flare]

i disagree

[foggy stratus]

Isn't that discourse?

Oh nope you're right.

[terse warren]

Discourse is the act of talking in disagreement

Slightly different

[foggy stratus]

[near jasper]

H

[near jasper]

Hm

Its weird styx was meant to have 2 upgrades at some point

Did these updrages originally come from a different source?

Why would you do the same delivery twice if its meant to be special

[foggy stratus]

It'd probably be a different quest.

[near jasper]

Maybe styx had a wish that got cut at some point

[foggy stratus]

Like retrieving something for Styx.

[foggy stratus]

Yeah probably.

[near jasper]

Wait

The picture in the wiki also has some changes outside the silkeater farm

This was cut weirdly thoroughly

A lot of cut wishes still have dialogue or the items relating to them in the code

Except the ones that look to have been scrapped early in their development

Styx's wish reward is still functional in game if you force it on seemingly

Also were you meant to play for 3 hours without thinking to check up on styx for silkeaters?

Wait a minute

There was a bellway in the cut weavenest area?

Wait that explains why in the bellway map the marrow to bone bottom tunnel goes where the atla weavenest would be

[hoary palm]

[near jasper]

Flowa

[hoary palm]

Flowa

[bold night]

what is mister mushroom was pharloom his next place after hallownest and howd he llike go to the same place hornet was at

[keen narwhal]

why was mr mushroom at pharloom?

hmmm

well dont we find him in a place full of mushrooms

maybe he can teleport to any spot with mushrooms

now the cradle though idk how he got there

he can just teleport somehow

as long as there is a piece of dirt

idk

[limpid summit]

Mister mushroom was in Pharloom because Hornet’s actions heralded the end of the era of GMS

[keen narwhal]

oh so he came becuase he noticed how GMS lost all her aura

gotcha

[limpid summit]

She didn’t have any to begin with

But yeah pretty much

[keen narwhal]

so that means he appears mainly when a god dies

[keen narwhal]

true

[limpid summit]

He appears when something is about to happen

He’s the herald of great change

In HK his appearance means either the end of Radiance or the true end of everything Hallownest

(Sealed siblings or TK dying)

In SS it’s the same

[keen narwhal]

ahhhhhh

ok

good info

so he is basically the HB of a shift or change in something

mainly huge things

like gms getting de throned

[limpid summit]

Him being a HB is debatable cause he’s like sort of meta

But I do think he is one

Just cause he fits the bill of existing above all others

[keen narwhal]

oh true i guess he would fall under everyone treats him like higher being but he really isnt he kinda just has the power of one

[blissful harbor]

idk why he wouldn’t be one ngl

sure hes meta, but as TC themselves said hes evolved beyond thst

[keen narwhal]

wait so your saying he basically evolved into a HB?

or kinda transcended

[blissful harbor]

not at all what i said

[keen narwhal]

bruh

[atomic ocean]

wait is Lurien a guy?

[modest kraken]

Yes

The only male Dreamer

[wet walrus]

What properties do dreamers share in common that is essential to serve as a seal

Pk did a literal political dalliance with herrah just to get her to serve as a seal

[violet matrix]

so who's gonna silk hornet's song

[twin dragon]

She did but we didnt get to witness it💔

[atomic dirge]

I don't think they have to have any particular property in order to be eligible to be a dreamer

like I think Lurien is just Some Guy That Volunteered

[craggy smelt]

if anyone could do it, I think PK would've chosen someone easier to convince than Herrah

[atomic dirge]

I'd imagine the average bug doesnt wanna be in eternal slumber

Lurien did so because he's like the pale king's #1 fan

[craggy smelt]

ah, he had tons of fans

and knights

[atomic dirge]

You're right though I never thought of that

My question is then what the hell did Lurien have to make him worthy of being a Dreamer

[craggy smelt]

well, that was the initial question - what makes someone a candidate? we really don't know

Monomon is an usual and wise being, Herrah is all kinds of special, who knows what Lurien had going

maybe it was some flavor of absolute devotion

[atomic dirge]

Maybe he had some wack shit going on judging by the grub thing in his spire

[whole holly]

lurien was obviously high caste with having watcher knights as guards

[fierce narwhal]

its possible that he only got them after becoming a dreamer but i do agree he was a high ranking noble at least

[whole holly]

i mean Dreamers didn't rise in ranks after becoming dreamers, i don't know why that would be case for Lurien, Monomon has her own creatures guarding her, same with Herrah in her den

[fierce narwhal]

very true we just dont know much about him

[whole holly]

true, Lurien is Dreamer we know least about

with old hearts we have more evened out lore about them

[silver prawn]

Lurien was most likely a very rich and influential figure within the City of Tears

Someone suggested that the Watcher Knights were there prior to him becoming a dreamer

[wet walrus]

Why did Herrah want to have a child with a Pale being who is her political and historical enemy so badly?

Another question: Since weavers are all female, does that mean Herrah is the only weaver who had a child?

[finite wind]

Powerful child to reclaim pharloom

[finite wind]

It is said in the game that it's very hard for weavers to have a child, but I think in the cradle there's a text somewhere claiming to capture a half weaver, I don't remember if that was hornet's capture text

[edgy nebula]

no multiple weavers have had children

[foggy stratus]

The half Weaver part is from a Choral Commandant regarding Hornet, but otherwise you're right. There's two Weavers in one eighth and one in one fourth.

[covert night]

we know at least 3 more weaver descendants according to cages in the cradle

"Weaver, in quarter part, last of their line, staked to service.
Tracked and taken beneath the City of Steel.
Eight Choristors, twelve Envoys lost to task."

"Weaver, in eighth part, last of their line, mortally wounded.
Tracked and taken in the Blackbarrens.
Four Choristors, one Reed lost to task."

"Weaver, in eighth part, last of their line, frail with age.
Tracked and taken in Sandsea Waste.
Seven Choristors, nine Envoys lost to task."

[foggy stratus]

I think there are more cages in the room with these lore tablets(?) in them.

[fierce glade]

Where does the Huntress go in Act 3?
I completed the Broodfest quest in Act 2, and she wasn't there when I returned to her. It doesn't seem as though she was eaten by her children, so what happened?

[foggy stratus]

I think she just leaves.

[twin dragon]

she has been eaten by her children i think

her carcass is laying there

wide open

[foggy stratus]

Isn't that only if you don't do the quest before act 3?

[fierce glade]

Only if you don't complete the quest

[twin dragon]

Oh

then ig she just dips

since her kids are fed and stuff

[fierce glade]

Do we know where?

[twin dragon]

nope

[foggy stratus]

"Shi bro I gotta dip, these things are ugly as shit"-Huntress

[fierce glade]

"Man fuck this place"

honestly how did she live in Ducts tho 😭
I hate the enemies there

[foggy stratus]

She just built different.

[twin dragon]

Like the average animal mother, she gets it from other males to reproductionmaxx

[twin dragon]

isolation

everything in ducts is isolated, which ironically makes it quite packed because the area itself is small

[candid linden]

purified ducts is overhated

[keen narwhal]

ngl its not overhated

its very annoying

but sometimes fun

[twin dragon]

underhated if anything

[keen narwhal]

idk why

[twin dragon]

you can always hate it more

[twin dragon]

fleatopia

[keen narwhal]

but i love to suffer

[heavy spire]

The only thing that made putrified ducts bearable is the tool you find there

[keen narwhal]

i just love a challenge

[keen narwhal]

that and the parkour

if your good at umping off enemies

[keen narwhal]

yes

[twin dragon]

the sloppy squit thingies pmo

[heavy spire]

i hate the spit squits omds

Those things are awful

[keen narwhal]

omg those they need to go extenct

also the groal fight was very fun and easy too

funfact on the right side you can stay in a corner but remeber to stay in the water and in return you cant be hit

just come out to punch his ahh sometimes

imagine having to hide in sewage water just to not get killed

i would rather die

then swim in chi

shi

[heavy spire]

idk i got groal like. 2nd try?

tbf i had the wreath so

[keen narwhal]

true

i used wreath my first time

but realised it had no purpose if im standing in maggot water the entire time to not get hit

[heavy spire]

i didnt really use the corner cheese

[keen narwhal]

oh and brings bommbs he eats them and it explodes in his mouth

[keen narwhal]

good for you

[heavy spire]

Yeahh i used volt vessels for that, its fun watching him get fried

[keen narwhal]

fr

do you guys think the snail dude and groal wouldve won or put up a good fight if they couldve just kept working together instead of betraying eachother?

i think we see more clean areas but like secret areas not out in the ope

[heavy spire]

Honestly it would have been a fun fight if the shaman and groal worked together

I wish there was a way to make bilewater clean

[keen narwhal]

omg yeah

imagine we would see more soul moves

instead of the blast

[heavy spire]

that would be interesting

[keen narwhal]

and maybe they could use soul on the water and it would electrocute the water like those elctro bomb weapons

[heavy spire]

Ouuh yeah

[keen narwhal]

and no cheese you actually have to fight

[low oracle]

Lore does still exist though....

[keen narwhal]

hmmmm true

[candid linden]

dream nail or needolin

[keen narwhal]

also woudnt bilewater look like what we find when we look for shakras mom

[keen narwhal]

needolin

i like the singing

[candid linden]

really?

[candid linden]

hmm

[keen narwhal]

idk i dont wanna prob peoples minds seems weird to me

just awkward

anyways what would bile water look like before it became bile

[low oracle]

Needolin has more epic moments and cool music. Dreamnail is far more practical however, since it gives soul instead of taking it, and the charm/tool for it actually does something.

[keen narwhal]

would it be kinda like that jungle area i keep forgetting the name

but also having the rocks of where we find shakras mom?

and the water maybe but a lot more

[low oracle]

Pale Lake most likely. Since it is seen in that state in three locations, the Weavenest, Shakra's Master and the Pale Lake.

[keen narwhal]

hm true

[low oracle]

Putrified Ducts also is kind of part of Bilewater, at least to the degree of sharing civilisation.

[keen narwhal]

oh yeah

i guess bile water would look those areas but more foliage

[low oracle]

We know all the Maggot related things are an invasive species and part of the pollution, but what about the other inhabitants?

The Ductsuckers seem very unnatural to me, the Barnacle things maybe. Then there are the two squit things and the guy with the green bubble on the back end. All of these three are probably natural inhabitants, not very much affected by the pollution.

[keen narwhal]

i think all those guys except the maggots maybe native

[candid linden]

dream realms are so cool man

[keen narwhal]

only becuase we have no info if they are invasive

so i think they kinda were already that way but they evolved to environemnt

[low oracle]

Yeah, but the threetune melody, especially the Architect was pure cinema.

[keen narwhal]

i think the green dudes with gas

were maybe drinking the water

or something

and like some animals the things they eatusually poisinous allow them to put poisin in their body to survive

and i think the tiny dudes with the annoying tongues

evolved against the poison and can eat them

i mean it seems to have a strong digestive system

but the big one seems to only eat things that get real close like travellers

like maybe the flies

so i think they are native

but have gotten used to their environment

[low oracle]

The squits could have been the same species that adapted differently to the toxins. Hence the spit squit, closer to the source of the pollution actively uses it, while the popping guy (idk) just releases it on defeat.

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Thanks

[balmy reef]

missed one

[whole holly]

i think we will see less polluted squits in sea of sorrows, unless they are infected by lifeblood

[low oracle]

Oh I hope we never see them again in any other area.

Following the topic of SoS, the HK relic trader closely resembles the NPC from the trailer and the (same species) one in the memorium pinned to a board.

[edgy nebula]

swamp squits seem to be made of it since they visibly respawn

[low oracle]

I think that's just an animation of them popping up from the background, the same way Young Weavers do in Deepnest. Lore-wise they wouldn't respawn either way, made of pollution or not.

[low oracle]

Idk, just saying that pollution doesn't give you immortality.

[covert night]

no there are 3 if you don't count the terminus lore tablet

[foggy stratus]

I'm talking about cages, not notes.

[covert night]

there could be more on the background idk

[primal terrace]

muckmaggots feed on silk because of adaptation, they are used to gms's silk.

Hornet produces silk internally, this means the muckmaggots go inside hornets cloak and feed on the silk.

[foggy stratus]

[low oracle]

You do know that they just suck it out of her right? They don't have to Nevermind I don't want a ban.

[primal terrace]

i dont rlly get what u mean suck it out

[low oracle]

Silk. The silk is made internally and I will not continue about what that would mean otherwise.

[primal terrace]

how do irl spiders make webs

wait so this means

webs are made of silk

[low oracle]

Hornet produces her silk internally. The maggots just absorb the silk she creates by extracting it from her immediately.

[edgy nebula]

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thanks

[balmy reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/775173462213132298/988185499661369384/image0-7.gif

[near jasper]

Bell beast's species grows 4 legs as they age at a minimun

[placid grove]

wait, who tf gave pharloom bugs sentience?

[exotic valve]

idk ig the king

[twin dragon]

naturally occuring

[exotic valve]

bro what so the bugs in rl can be the hollow knight too

[twin dragon]

son

💔

In universe i mean

Plus not all the bugs from hallownest became sentient when the king arrived yk

wtv lived before had it

[near jasper]

Most pharloom bugs arent native

Sentient ones at least

[twin dragon]

Pilgrims arent

but thingies like the skarr for example are sentient and native

[exotic valve]

why some chanes have time limit

[keen narwhal]

what

chanes?

[whole holly]

Verdanians, Craws, Stilkin, Karaka too

[near jasper]

Karak are barely bugs

[keen narwhal]

guys what if instead of hornet being tasp how to fight by the wasps what if she was taught by the mantis's????????????

like alternate universe shit

[near jasper]

Are we assuming its before or after traitor lord leaves

[edgy nebula]

theyre pretty buggy man

[keen narwhal]

well i mean instead of hornet being tuaght by bees she goes to the mantis's idk when the traitor lord leaves but i mead during the time she was being taught by the ees replace it with the mantis's so if the trator lord was there yes if not no

[near jasper]

They disentagrate instantly if they die

[edgy nebula]

still bugs though, also not all of them do

[keen narwhal]

so what do we think

[solar gale]

So do primal aspids

Does that mean they're not bug?

[near jasper]

?

[solar gale]

What

[near jasper]

What

[keen narwhal]

what

guys can we answer the question

and not argue about disenagration

[keen narwhal]

also the mantis's dont disintegrate they break into pieces

[fresh badger]

Tbh I imagine thats more just Karak's environment with the crust, just like Mt Fay turning Hornet into Coldshard

[edgy nebula]

yeah they probably have some type of symbiotic or magic connection

khann definitely isnt 100% coral, and yet he turns into it and is able to summon it

[keen narwhal]

bobbit what if hornet learned how to fight becuase of the mantis's instead of the bees

what differnce would it make

[whole holly]

her battle tactics shouldn't be as parry-focused, more of melee and stab attacks

[keen narwhal]

i guess your right

im playing hollow knight and i saw the mantis's and just wanted to ask

[twin dragon]

youve played sk before hk?

[keen narwhal]

yes sadly

ngl SK is ten times harded then this

[twin dragon]

fr

[keen narwhal]

also i hate the magic dude with teh sword

its like playing jumprope while getting punched in the face

letsss go i beat him

[foggy stratus]

Who?

Soul Warrior?

[keen narwhal]

yes

i dint know the name yet

anyways i justed beat him to a pulp

[foggy stratus]

He's a joke.

[keen narwhal]

i know

and i lost

several times

but i realised you just make him telport in a corner and beat him to a pulp

[ancient raven]

Me too, but why would it be sad?

[keen narwhal]

idk

i guess

becuase idk what im talking about

or what you guys are talking about

[ancient raven]

Well, you beat Silksong right?

[keen narwhal]

yeah

also i hate the magic dudes

all of them

i hate teleportation

in battle

[ancient raven]

The soul guys

The

[keen narwhal]

yes

they stink

all of them

[ancient raven]

Definitely

[keen narwhal]

bro i just got jumped by two of them

[ancient raven]

But if you beat silksong, you probably know what you’re talking about

[keen narwhal]

i do kinda

[ancient raven]

They can go trough walls right?

[keen narwhal]

but i act like i know HK lore as well

[keen narwhal]

not the balls of light

but teleport through walls yes

[ancient raven]

Yeah, well it could be a big knot of information

[keen narwhal]

yeah and also i just fought another one i thought the cleared the rooooooooooom

if i was part of a bug kingdom i would outlaw magic

and the only way to win is using regular stuff like your hands

[ancient raven]

I always wonder what it would be like in the golden age of pharloom or hallownest

[keen narwhal]

bro it would be great if i wasnt being jumped

constantly

[ancient raven]

That’s the infection and haunting

The reason everything wants to kill you

[keen narwhal]

yeah i know and it would be great

if that didnt exist

and that gives more reason for no magic

i would outlaw religions with gods as well just to make sure stupid stuff like that dont happen

unless the god is cool

and chill

like pale king

[ancient raven]

Uhhhm

The pale king

Isn’t exactly a god

Nor chill

[keen narwhal]

wait he isnt?

[ancient raven]

The pale king is a pale being, which is a higher being but not a god

[keen narwhal]

bro i would say he is chill he is just a bad dad

and made a bad plan

[keen narwhal]

gotcha

so he is poweerful but not radiance powerful

[ancient raven]

Maybe spoilers:

It would be better if he was a bad dad, the hollow knight would not form a relation with him

[keen narwhal]

oh yeah

its becuase he is a good dad he lost

[ancient raven]

And relations are feeling which vessels should not have, that’s why the radiance could infect him

[ancient raven]

Yup

But

Now we’re talking about hk lore

In the sk lore channel

[keen narwhal]

true

[twin dragon]

The pale king is both

and all vessels have feelings

and a mind

[ancient raven]

Is this Ragebait?

[twin dragon]

No, the pk is a higher being

[keen narwhal]

idk

[twin dragon]

js like the white lady

just like unn, radiance, gms

[keen narwhal]

nubbie be doing this shi all the time

not in a bad way

[twin dragon]

buddy uh

you dont speak

[keen narwhal]

huh?

[ancient raven]

That’s what I said

[twin dragon]

Yeah he can be both

grand mother silk is both a pale and higher being

[keen narwhal]

omg

bobbit save us

[ancient raven]

He is half pale being, half wyrm

[twin dragon]

???

pale being isnt a race

its a broad category

[keen narwhal]

no he is full wyrm

[ancient raven]

Oh

[twin dragon]

he's not half wyrm

hes full wyrm

are we deadass

[ancient raven]

The other thing

[twin dragon]

big 26

[keen narwhal]

a pale being is someone who is divine

[twin dragon]

Unconfirmed

[keen narwhal]

all HB glow

[twin dragon]

its definition is vague

[ancient raven]

Omd

[twin dragon]

but not all hbs are pale beings

[keen narwhal]

oh true

[twin dragon]

and not all pale beings are hbs

[keen narwhal]

yeah like how hornet is pale but isnt a higher being

[twin dragon]

correct

[ancient raven]

Isn’t the definition of pale being: higher being

[twin dragon]

no...

[ancient raven]

Oh damn

[twin dragon]

hornet isn't a hb and she's a pale being

[keen narwhal]

no just a glowing higher being

[twin dragon]

i assume they're beings related in some way to soul

[twin dragon]

the radiance also glows and she isn't one

[keen narwhal]

what is she then?

[ancient raven]

Those are the shamans, are they not?

[keen narwhal]

a god?

[twin dragon]

a higher being

not being in the pale being category

[twin dragon]

I mean

i worded that poorly

they're like

[ancient raven]

The radiance is a god right?

[twin dragon]

soul's an important part of their composition and they're powerful with it

[ancient raven]

That infects minds of bugs

[twin dragon]

higher being yes

[ancient raven]

Like wizards

[ancient raven]

What’s the difference

[twin dragon]

But like not the shamans because their ability isnt like smt internal

[twin dragon]

Pale beings= Powerful with soul, proficient with it, hbs: gods

[ancient raven]

Ohhh

[keen narwhal]

arnt higher beings a way of calling something a god in HK and silksong

[twin dragon]

oh and they're white

[twin dragon]

Yes

[keen narwhal]

ok

[ancient raven]

It’s in the name

[keen narwhal]

good info thank you Nubbie

yeah pale being

[twin dragon]

yes

[ancient raven]

But

If the knight can use soul

[twin dragon]

Yes tk is a pale being

[ancient raven]

Alr

[keen narwhal]

yeah they are born from pale being

s

the white lady and pale king are both pale beings

soooo

[twin dragon]

No shit

[keen narwhal]

you get pale being

[twin dragon]

I mean technically not

[ancient raven]

And hornet is half weaver half pale being?

[keen narwhal]

i just connecting why

[twin dragon]

since a hb can be a pale being

[keen narwhal]

yep

[twin dragon]

and we dont know how hbs are created

[ancient raven]

Aren’t they the creators, they’re god right?

Gods*

[keen narwhal]

also is the white lady mycelium or a muchroom kinda

[twin dragon]

they aren't omnipotent

they must originate somehow

[twin dragon]

root

[keen narwhal]

gotcha

[twin dragon]

Maybe through worship or rituals idk

[ancient raven]

Yo, I’m almost fluent in English but what the fuck does that mean?

[keen narwhal]

that means they dont know everything

[twin dragon]

like they're basically all powerful

like omnipotent

thats what it means

[ancient raven]

Hmmmm

[twin dragon]

and all knowing

and all shit

like the abrahamic god

[ancient raven]

Where r u guys from?

[twin dragon]

apparently

[keen narwhal]

me im from america

[ancient raven]

So it’s around 12 o’clock for you?

[keen narwhal]

3:32 pm

[ancient raven]

Uhhh

Its

-8 right?

The time zone?

Ohhh

Pm

That could be right

[keen narwhal]

easter time over here

estearn

i cant type

i think i found the magic dude who slams his fist in the ground

im gonna beat him up

to show how not using magic is supeior

hell nah he is aura farming

nvm

[ancient raven]

Aura farming in hk before gta6

[keen narwhal]

he beat my ass

[ancient raven]

Damn

[keen narwhal]

bro he was gonna slam dunk on my head and then i ran and then he teleported so i wont escape

[ancient raven]

Wellll, the soul sanctum is the almost the worst place in the game

[keen narwhal]

absolutely

i swear im gonna take all his aura away

he threw me back on to the bench

but i think im learning his attacks

he will soon be gone

[steel rose]

Hi guys do you know what's the favorite juice of hornet?

[keen narwhal]

hmmmmmmm

maybe the fleabrew she loves fleas

maybe it reminds her of them

[steel rose]

No, it's Guaraná

[keen narwhal]

yeah sure i guess

anyways my switch died

[steel rose]

Ok

[keen narwhal]

i swear when its done charging im going to get that dumb wizard

i hate teleportation and those stupid explosive homing orange balls

[candid linden]

is the halfway home actually half way to the citadel

[keen narwhal]

yeah

its in the middle of the map

i think its half way to bellhart though

then you get to actual middle of the map

either thar or it means halfway through the grey sad area

[unique tangle]

is bone bottom an actual bony bottom

[candid linden]

why is it bony

[keen narwhal]

it has corpses every where of a lot of bugs

also i finalllly beat that dumb wizard and i can slam dunk into the earth

i lied

he just slammed the glass

im gonna die

again

[candid linden]

silksong before hk is crazy

[keen narwhal]

omggggggggg

i hate everything that can teleport

that is so cheese

[keen narwhal]

i know

i loke silksong

this too hard man

i hate everything that can use magic in silksong

and HK

bro im gonna be racist to people who teleport

what slur do you say to a person who teleports

[finite wind]

There aren't many tp bosses or enemies in silksong compared to HK

[candid linden]

imagine if you had to make it from the shammans to lost lace without taking damage just like the delicate flower quest

[keen narwhal]

i know

[keen narwhal]

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[finite wind]

Or in general

[keen narwhal]

yeah but i hate the one that do

[finite wind]

That wouldn't be hard tbh

[keen narwhal]

if i was a bug who was a king i would outlaw magic

[finite wind]

You can easily go above the glooms

[candid linden]

he did

[keen narwhal]

when??????????/

[candid linden]

soul master ignored the pale king

[keen narwhal]

why these dudes throwing bullshit at me then

[keen narwhal]

dang

this is more reason to love pale king

pale king isnt a bum guys

[finite wind]

Pale king did nothing wrong

[keen narwhal]

what im saying

bro he lost becuase he was a good father

that is so sad

imagine just becuase you love your son you lose your life and your entire kingdom goes to ruins

yo if GMS and the Radiance got in a fight who would win?

[finite wind]

Radience can maybe infect her

Otherwise they live in separate realms

[keen narwhal]

hm true

man these wizard keep jumping me

i hate everything that teleports

i swear this is the last time i die to this bum ass wizard and his bum ass followers

i shall be back with his head

i lost

again

i have doneeeeeeee it

6th try baby

he look like a grape

letsssssssssssss goooooooooooooooo

i wanna thank cheezzzy

i wanna think that dude who said playing silksong before HK is crazy

and i wann thank the dude who told me there arnt many teleporting enimies

anyways im gonna slam dunk on bros dead body with all my soul energy left

guys im gonna go to mantis village and fight the leaders

nvm i found the sewers

wow the water down here is very clean

[foggy stratus]

Stillkin if they ever found Royal Waterways:

[keen narwhal]

lol also i found the mother of maggots

[foggy stratus]

Flukes not maggots.

[keen narwhal]

she hasnt seen me yet

[keen narwhal]

ok thankyou

ill remeber that

but why is the water so clean?

ok the little dudes are gonna be a problem

the flukefey

fancy name

[foggy stratus]

Few potential reasons are that they haven't been used in a while, Dung Defender collects all the feces from it or the sewage systems were just that good.

[keen narwhal]

dang

[foggy stratus]

All praise for Pale King and his glorious sewage system.

[keen narwhal]

glory to the sewage

[lone folio]

I saw another one of those "who wins: hornet or the knight (lore wise)" and afcourse its always the same barely working arguments. Like I'm tired of the "OH BUT THE KNIGHT CAN TURN INTO THE SHADE LORD" because it's so stupid, shade lord is only achievable with the godseekers attunement so unless the fight is in godhome that's out of the question

Even if the knight turns into the shade lord it will basically just make him vulnerable to being disintegrated by the everbloom so it's basically a downgrade in a fight against hornet

[keen narwhal]

hmm true

i think hornet wins most things

against the knight

[lone folio]

Speed and variety of attacks yes

Not sure if we can figure out strength

[keen narwhal]

the knight has more durabilty

[lone folio]

How so?

[keen narwhal]

true

most if not all attacks brung on the knight do 1 mask

[lone folio]

That's a gameplay thing

[keen narwhal]

also woudnt it make sense for the knight to be breed to be durable?

[lone folio]

It wasn't bred

[keen narwhal]

i mean its supposed to seal a entire being

[whole holly]

They are also child of two higher beings

[keen narwhal]

yes hornet only has one

[lone folio]

True but we shouldn't consider the damage that the player characters receive

[whole holly]

I think it will be a close match base knight with upgrades and Hornet with upgrades

[whole holly]

Weaver Queen Hornet loses against Void Given Focus

[lone folio]

That is very true

Unless weaver queen somehow gets a hold of the everbloom

[keen narwhal]

ok i think we have to think about the differnt forms and other things

like lets say the knight has all their base abalities and so does hhornet

they both can duoble jump one can slam energy into the floor

they both can climb walls

[lone folio]

Are they just maxed out?

[keen narwhal]

yes all abalities

no void bull shit

just regular full power knight and regular full power hornet

[whole holly]

I don’t think that matters, Knight still beat radiance even though her light wards off void

[lone folio]

The shade lord got deleted after he touched the everbloom

[whole holly]

I mean Delicate Flower and everbloom hornet obtains are different

[keen narwhal]

oh and think remeber in the secret ending for act 3 the knight isnt harmed by the everbloom it just nullifies the voids damage

of eating away at you

[whole holly]

They function differently

[keen narwhal]

and plus its a tiny flower

[whole holly]

Plus we don’t fully know what happened

[keen narwhal]

yes

and the flower we use in silksong doesnt kill them and it doesnt instantly stop lace

[lone folio]

I mean they are somewhat different but I would still say that they are the same kind of flower

[keen narwhal]

the flower all it does really is nullify the void to some extent

[whole holly]

Everbloom clearly has less potency

[lone folio]

I think if the shade lord came in contact with the everbloom he would still get proofed but the flower would of completely dissapeared

[keen narwhal]

i dont think he would poof it would proabably weaken him for a time and plus this is the void we are talking about

that isnt poofing him

[lone folio]

But it's not that important for the fight since the knight doesn't get access to the shade lord

[keen narwhal]

he will get weaker but not poof

[lone folio]

The shade lord isn't the entire void sea

[keen narwhal]

yes

really???????????

[lone folio]

I mean the everbloom could still be useful in the fight

[keen narwhal]

yes i think it would nullify but not just poof em it would nullify and like get them down for a moment

[lone folio]

When the knight uses spells (the void variants specifically) he transforms into his shade version for a second to some extent so theocratically if hornet managed to hit the knight with the everbloom in that split second it could cause some damage

[keen narwhal]

yes but are we gonna add items?

i was saying we just give them abalities?

[lone folio]

Not adding items means that all of the knights movement abilities don't work

And hornet won't have her cloak

And that doesn't seem very fair at all

[keen narwhal]

no i meant only the item for fullabality usage but no other items

just thier nails

and the items used to have all abailties but no outside items

[lone folio]

I mean why not? Any item the characters have is a part of their toolkit

[keen narwhal]

no only the ones that help them use the abality they have nothing else

they can both double jump

they can climb

hornet can fall slow

[lone folio]

So no charms and no tools?

[keen narwhal]

they both can dash but the knight can dash through things

[keen narwhal]

yes

[lone folio]

What about crests?

[keen narwhal]

just their abalities for fairness

[keen narwhal]

base crest

becuase she fights us in her base crest in game

[lone folio]

So in this scenario I feel like hornet wins

Hornet has much more experience then the knight

[keen narwhal]

yeah most likely

she has better moevement

and speed

[keen narwhal]

yes

[lone folio]

If the knight manages to get some soul he could try to hit hornet with a spell

Which would be a really strong hit

[keen narwhal]

yes and also there is a good chance hornet will dodge most of it

overall i think she is a very speed based character

[lone folio]

Eh if she ends upp in the wrong place at the wrong time there's little chance of dodging

[keen narwhal]

so i think most things wont hit unless the knight were to make a smart decisions and put her ina corner

[keen narwhal]

what i just said

[lone folio]

You said after me

🐌

[keen narwhal]

yeah i typed to slow

but overall the knight would struggle unless they use spells

spells is their best counter

[lone folio]

Ok but in a fight where they have everything it's probably going to be a lot closer then without any items

[keen narwhal]

yeah true

[lone folio]

The knight will have access to all of their charms and that would mean things like a much bigger and harder to dodge nail which would mean that hornets speed will not be as useful

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[lone folio]

But she would have her tools and crests and silk skills so she would have ranged options to counter that

[blissful harbor]

TK dog walks hornet unfortunately

[keen narwhal]

how?

[lone folio]

How is it that unfair?

[keen narwhal]

also no void form allowed

[lone folio]

All the knight has to his advantage is being a half wyrm half root

[blissful harbor]

i mean it’s not completely one sided, but TK does win thst fight
i assume we are comparing the two at an endgame level, (after VH TK is just a god) but even then

[blissful harbor]

TK is incredibly durable and an amazing fighter
it bested hornet twice, the second of which she wasn’t holding back

[keen narwhal]

no void form allowed in this

fight

[lone folio]

That's Boss hornet, silksong hornet is much much stronger

[keen narwhal]

just normal form all abalities

[blissful harbor]

she has more in her kit

she’s the same fighter

[lone folio]

Much more experienced fighter

[keen narwhal]

no were talking about final pharloom hornet with no transformations

she has gotten ten times better by then and has more tools

[blissful harbor]

is she?
she’s trained more but they’re around the same age, TK has enough skill with its nail to earn recognition from a nail sage

[keen narwhal]

yes

[lone folio]

The knight and hornet arent the same age

[keen narwhal]

true but she tuaght nd trained more than just nail arts

[lone folio]

Silksong takes place after base hk

[keen narwhal]

she is a lot faster than the knight as well

[blissful harbor]

they are around the same age, you can’t really say if PK had the dreamers before or after his vessel
either way they would’ve happened around the same time

[blissful harbor]

…what does that have to do with their age

[keen narwhal]

if we say they have equal fighting skills then hornet wins becuase of her speed on top of her skills

[keen narwhal]

she has more knowledge now

[blissful harbor]

time doesn’t magically stop because the first game ended
they’re still around the same age

[keen narwhal]

mor ethan the knight

[keen narwhal]

yes but she is getting more training

he isnt

[blissful harbor]

speed just isn’t everything
TK fights things much faster than it all the time

[keen narwhal]

he is in the void

[lone folio]

We are taking both of them from their games and putting them upp against eachother, in base HK the knight isn't as old as hornet in silksong

[blissful harbor]

anyways
i think if you have to take one of TK’s core abilities (VH) in order to make an even fight that tells you your answer

[keen narwhal]

sigh

[blissful harbor]

“oh yea i beat this character, jst take away their shit and it’s a good fight”

[keen narwhal]

yeah and pharloom ed game hornet has so much more expeirence now

[keen narwhal]

yes

[lone folio]

We arent taking anything away. The knight cannot just become shade lord whenever he feels like it

[keen narwhal]

why would we want end game hornet to fight

vh

[blissful harbor]

VH allows it’s to command void period

not just become shade lord

[keen narwhal]

how is that a fair fight/

but how can hornet win then

[blissful harbor]

it’s not that’s what i said
TK dog walks her if you don’t nerf it

[keen narwhal]

we are excluding any forms

only the base form with final abalities

no bull shit like VH

thats a instant win

unfair fight

[lone folio]

Knight summons the void from under hornets feet and she gets mauled to death. Now this is an interesting scenario!

[blissful harbor]

if its a fight to the death idk why you would handicap a character

[keen narwhal]

wowwwwwwwww

so cool havent seen that twenty times

[keen narwhal]

we handicap the character who can istant killlllllll

just becuase of a form

[lone folio]

So the scenario has a chance to be interesting

[keen narwhal]

yessss

thats like saying let make this mosquito fight a elctrical fan thing that can instakill any bug it touches