sk-lore

[keen narwhal]

but i mean in a boss rush way

im really hoping for a boss rush dlc

[near jasper]

Theres stuff you'd miss permanently for 100% if the haunting is over

[twilit storm]

That would be awesome

[keen narwhal]

and it would make most sense to have it after act 3

[twilit storm]

Yes

[keen narwhal]

indeed sherma

[whole holly]

me too

i think post-act 3 content might be in dlc

[keen narwhal]

also having to replay the game constantly just fight a boss again is so annoying

[keen narwhal]

yep

[heavy solar]

It will probably come in the last update

[whole holly]

Sea of Sorrows will be accessible in any Act, most likely Act 2

[keen narwhal]

yep we were discussing that

[keen narwhal]

yeah

but it might have something to do with the past

[wet walrus]

Sherma's idea to save hallownest
Day 1: Pale King stuck in his room as usual with negative thoughts until a more radiant being appears. He foreseew the hope and gives all of his authorities to sherma. Outrage sparks in mantis village.
Day 2: Bells are all over hallownest. Replacing the terrifying screams of the blinding light with ringing sounds.
Day 3: Sherma sings to the black egg temple despite precautions. The radiance unable to withstand the absolute ragebait fucking dies.
Day 4: The Hollow Knight is freed, Hallownest has a hope for good.
Day 5: the echos of the beautiful melody reaches the abyss. The void drags sherma specifically to hear his songs

[whole holly]

to be honest from lore perspective i don't know if i am excited for Boss Rush DLC

[wet walrus]

I suppose that will also have an ending

[keen narwhal]

its beutifulllllllll

[whole holly]

it's actually not as whack as other theories i hear in other channel, considering that songs can have effects and sherma is pure of heart

[twilit storm]

All of that is good until day 5. Void is a very scary place

[heavy solar]

Hmmmmmm

[keen narwhal]

mm i mean it could be fun im really hoping for it for conveince

[keen narwhal]

dont worry we can put bells there

[whole holly]

i hope it is as lore dense as godhome dlc if not more

[heavy solar]

What if we defeat Lifeblood god? in the end

[twilit storm]

That’d be cool

[wet walrus]

Godseeker won't return to pharloom for sure since pharloom is implied to be older and godseeker found the true gods in hallownest. The ruler of the pantheon would absolutely blitz hornet as well

[keen narwhal]

yep and with team cherry it will most likely be that way

[twilit storm]

Thank you

[whole holly]

Grand Assistant Zango

[keen narwhal]

no problem

[keen narwhal]

bro its literally my ttheory about the lifeblood god

[near jasper]

Do you think we'll have a path of pain equivalent

[edgy nebula]

honestly lorewise i dont see how a godhome/boss rush dlc would even work in silksong

[keen narwhal]

yes

[edgy nebula]

tk is able to do it because theyre the strongest, hornet is nowhere near their strength

[keen narwhal]

we have only had beta versions of it

[whole holly]

me personally? not really, it won't be equal in scale in my opinion

[heavy solar]

we kind of have it already

[wet walrus]

Why he is a nice guy in godhome dlc. Awarding lifeblood during non combat rooms when you complete a binding.

[keen narwhal]

we have a theory instead of god home we use the strings to go into the minds of wariror and fight them

[heavy solar]

but it isn't that hard

[keen narwhal]

that was a initial theory becuase we didnt want another godhome dlc

we wanted something new

so we came up with that

[near jasper]

What if the ss Path of pain gives the "Weaver" journal entry

[keen narwhal]

that would be interesting

[solar gale]

Path of minor inconvenience

[whole holly]

Path of Pilgrim

[wet walrus]

I mean the bugs in pharloom probably never heard of essance or dream realm

[wet walrus]

Nah nah hah

Help

[solar gale]

Elegy of the deep would work

[whole holly]

memory manipulation in silksong should be possible, red memory but for godhome

[keen narwhal]

the path of a true pilgram

only the most faithful go

or the path of faith

[wet walrus]

Guys Elegy of the deep is not always the answer to the question nature of the universe has to offer.

[keen narwhal]

i like path of faith

[wet walrus]

Yeah but a rewarding and ascending system is also necessary.

[keen narwhal]

or instead the climb of faith

climb of faith is good

the climb of faith

[whole holly]

that's true, attunement is possible but which group would possibly want to attune to gods?

[near jasper]

Michael

[heavy solar]

In HK lifeblood was harmless to main character ( Knight doesn't have a limit because it is a vessel) so it wasn't a threat there but in Silksong we can finally see it's effects in Wormways in act 3 and it's something else

[keen narwhal]

i think the closest thing tothat is the snails

[near jasper]

Which you kill

[wet walrus]

Nobody of course. We aren't even certain about things dumb seekers are waffling about in hk

[keen narwhal]

yeah but alternate endingssssssssssssssssssss

[twilit storm]

I’d take that path

[keen narwhal]

what about the climb of faith

[whole holly]

Steel Hearts, Abyss Creature, Fayforn.... Moss Druid.... not yet introduced character group?

[twilit storm]

oooooooo that’s a good one

[near jasper]

I feel like last judge could use more lore

[whole holly]

yeah but Act 3 would shut off godhome

[keen narwhal]

thanks

[whole holly]

Test of Faith

[keen narwhal]

hmmmmmm

[wet walrus]

They are invasive species that needs to be cracked down on regularly like in Hallownest

[keen narwhal]

oh that one is better

[twilit storm]

Whiteward was the test of faith

[whole holly]

it didn't affect Joni negatively, though

[solar gale]

I made sure to take advantage of the "harmless" part

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348598387074928670/1482320570900287499/image.png?ex=69be6f1c&is=69bd1d9c&hm=773e385b4e8ba732ba456aa9e42ef02c5e3ad6cfa7871f2747906a3b3bcb26b4&

[twilit storm]

[near jasper]

Me when I drink the blue lake

[whole holly]

it sucks that it can't heal itself

[wet walrus]

Lets find out
The blue eyed vessel vs the orange eyed vessel

[heavy solar]

yep. I just think that it could get out of control and we would have to defeat the lifeblood god to save everyone

or something like that

[keen narwhal]

yeah i was thinking that in a dlc

where we have to fight the lifeblood god

which would be so cool

also i think its a giant cocoon

[wet walrus]

It is interesting to say. It is shown that Joni died a peaceful death even.

[keen narwhal]

or chrsylis

[whole holly]

yeah

[twilit storm]

another test of faith

[wet walrus]

I think they should stick to being invasive species

[keen narwhal]

sherma would you beat the life blood god

[twilit storm]

Depends if it has ears

[keen narwhal]

well its giant chrysalis

so its most likely cant hear

[twilit storm]

ooooo that’s tough then

[keen narwhal]

and also playing music near its infected dont do anything

soooooooo

[twilit storm]

If I have zote with me he could crack it open with life ender

[wet walrus]

Chat Hornet is a semi higher being and is a god even while holding back a lot by godseeker standarts
Sherma's songs indeed caused a divine intervention

[keen narwhal]

fr

[keen narwhal]

true

we shall bring with us

[heavy solar]

Act 4 Plasmafication

[twilit storm]

Plasma plague

[keen narwhal]

ggood god just think its just the radiance all over again

[twilit storm]

Or Plague of plasma

[wet walrus]

How long would it take to develop GPZ body?

[keen narwhal]

also i think radiance was inspired by how the lifeblood infects

and thats why lifeblood became taboo in hallownest

becuase it was infecting people

[heavy solar]

they would still be invasive species they would just take over control

[twilit storm]

A conspiracy theory I had was that sea of sorrow is actually a cover for team cherry to announce zoteboat

[keen narwhal]

yeah like bamboo

bamboo is invasive

and kills trees

[wet walrus]

Nah seriously though Bretta's ideal man has t rex arms and quads size comparable to his head

[keen narwhal]

so plasmium would take over

[keen narwhal]

lol

[heavy solar]

like in Wormways in act 3

[twilit storm]

Ideal male physique right there

[keen narwhal]

yep

[wet walrus]

Thats your dream body? Dman

[keen narwhal]

it truly is we all inspire to look like him

[keen narwhal]

ay bro he has to be as perfect as zote

[twilit storm]

For a bug that’s really good

[keen narwhal]

exactly

bro shemras title would be the faithful and a bunch of other things

with his name in front just like zote

[twilit storm]

That’d be hilarious

[wet walrus]

How does bros legs withstand his body weight?

[keen narwhal]

bro they are bugs they are tiny

that weight is nothing

[heavy solar]

Imagine if lifeblood would reanimate dead warrior's bodies

[twilit storm]

Oh we would be cooked then

[heavy solar]

new bosses

[keen narwhal]

yes thats what i was thinking

[whole holly]

how does Gargantuan Gloom have Void liquid in it's body just like that?

[keen narwhal]

it could revive enemies

[twilit storm]

Revived choruses

[wet walrus]

||Mosquito gets too greedy and fucking explodes||

[twilit storm]

Revived Garamond and Zaza

Imagine having to put our boy down a second time

[keen narwhal]

oh imagine what happens to that vessel who got infected with those iny radiance bugs that could happen with plasmium

good god

[heavy solar]

yeah

[twilit storm]

Revived groal

I don’t wanna have to go through with that again

[keen narwhal]

this is a truly terrifying dlc

[twilit storm]

It truly is

[whole holly]

they are different than Vessels

also how come AC went extinct and there are species adapted to void?

[heavy solar]

I'm pretty sure it needs a body that is in one piece

[solar gale]

I wonder if we mix lifeblood juices with liquid void

[twilit storm]

Makes sense

[wet walrus]

Groal is the silksong equivalent of Pale King
They are both victims but they ain't innocent with all of those traps and platforming hell

[keen narwhal]

void would eat it away

[whole holly]

i don't think much would happen

[keen narwhal]

yep

[solar gale]

Would it though

Lifeblood is where void is

[keen narwhal]

yeah thats the voids one thing

[whole holly]

knight consumes Lifeblood and nothing happens

[keen narwhal]

bro the lifeblood is in hiding

[frosty gate]

I fee like void and Lifeblood would do an Oil/Water reaction

[keen narwhal]

it doesnt want to be consumed

[solar gale]

what

[wet walrus]

Seriously though is lifeblood made of essance?

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[frosty gate]

That's our shell

[keen narwhal]

technically

[heavy solar]

like Plasmified Zango who died but his body remained so he could be reanimated

[whole holly]

me too, Lifeblood is like infection, even Shadow Creeper can be infected even if they are influenced by void

[twilit storm]

We need a dlc explaining snail shamans and their connection with void

[frosty gate]

No?

[keen narwhal]

bro the lifeblood is hiding from the devourer god bro

[solar gale]

Shadow creepers are also infected by the radiance

[wet walrus]

Lifeblood room in godhome

[whole holly]

what about Joni's Blessing? it replaces vital fluids

[solar gale]

me when i make up shit

[keen narwhal]

what

[whole holly]

that's what i said yea

[keen narwhal]

bro

[frosty gate]

You can't replace our vital fluids because we're void

[keen narwhal]

the void is literally the god of the gods who can consume other gods

[heavy solar]

and it survives in abyss. there is a whole lifeblood area in HK's abyss

[solar gale]

We know literally nothing about the lifeblood creature other than the fact that it appears in 2 places

[whole holly]

isn't void our vital fluids?

[frosty gate]

The fact that something is there doesn't mean Lifeblood is made of Essence

[whole holly]

i guess but Lifeblood Room is kind of in Dream Realm

[frosty gate]

Does our Shade become blue if we die with Joni's Blessing

[twilit storm]

I don’t think so

[keen narwhal]

and bro the lifeblood is hiding away in a small area to not get eaten why else is it not out running rampint

[whole holly]

okay but Lifeblood is really essence-associated

[keen narwhal]

sherma you believe me right?

[twilit storm]

I do

[solar gale]

it shouldn't be present where void is right? Then why is there an entire room of lifeblood in hollow knight's abyss and why does lifeblood only show up in silksong in a significant amount in act 3

[frosty gate]

Most things in Hollow Knight are associated with Essence

[heavy solar]

at least the door part is in real world

[whole holly]

Shade isn't wearing joni's blessing, though only Knight's Shell is, only upgrades that affect Shade are spells

[keen narwhal]

bro its hiding in that area and the life blood in silksong is far away from the void

[twilit storm]

What if the lifeblood is like the snitch and tattles on other gods and tells the void so the void can punish them

[whole holly]

yeah but Lifeblood parallels Infection(which is made from essence)

[keen narwhal]

there is almost no void in that area

[heavy solar]

because 1 guy thought it would be smart to plant lifeblood in Wormways

[frosty gate]

But it replaces our vital fluids, and our vitals are void so therefore the shade

[wet walrus]

Lifeblood is most likely essance
The lifeblood door takes tk into a dream realm where he gets lifeblood core
In lifeblood room there are blue essence sparkles

[frosty gate]

I'm being pedantic on purpose

[solar gale]

but why does it show up only after half the kingdom is crumbling due to void??

[keen narwhal]

guys is my theory right or am i stupid

[solar gale]

No one is calling you stupid

[frosty gate]

Lifeblood affects the shell, not the inside

[keen narwhal]

becuase its growing in a area where there is litlle void

[whole holly]

shade can't wear charms so charms can work on shade

[keen narwhal]

and losts of hosts

[whole holly]

like i said, that's just not true

[wet walrus]

I think essance is the essance of metaphysical/idea forms

[whole holly]

you could argue, it is case in vessels, which might have point but still too vague

[solar gale]

it literally shows up right after void comes to be. Wormways had plenty of hosts in act 2 as well. Again — an entire room of lifeblood in hk abyss

[keen narwhal]

think about the amount of creatures eating that stuff in wormways its a aperfect growing spot but is it gonna stay there? no its gonna eaten sooner or late

[whole holly]

Lifeblood version of Broken Vessel can become reality, i remember it being common in fanmade characters

[keen narwhal]

yes becuase thats its area with little void and many places to grw

nika am i making sense?

[whole holly]

it might just be because act 3 is time progression which reflects on lifeblood infection

[keen narwhal]

thank youuuuuu

that what im trying to sayyyyyy

[wet walrus]

Is hollow knight based on theory of forms?

[frosty gate]

It makes no sense for our vital fluids to be replaced when our vital fluids are void

[keen narwhal]

what is tha theory?

[solar gale]

viable, yes. But again, there is very good reason to corelate the two, because lifeblood in both the games is linked to the void in some way.

[whole holly]

i mean it is possible void regulates lifeblood, since void over time kills bugs and lifeblood relies on live hosts primarily to spread effectively, it kind of replaces soul

[keen narwhal]

thank you

[whole holly]

other than abyss placement and time progression, not really

[keen narwhal]

what is that?

[wet walrus]

Wrong image

[keen narwhal]

ok

[keen narwhal]

again what is that?

[wet walrus]

Probably Platon's superiority complex

Ok seriously

[whole holly]

i know, it is weird to me too, but then again not really

[wet walrus]

It is basically an idea that suggests the physical world is only an imitation of the ideal world where essences exist

[keen narwhal]

so anyways i hope my theory helps meba

[keen narwhal]

intersting

[whole holly]

we will find out more in Sea of Sorrows

[keen narwhal]

yep

[wet walrus]

Noooooo where is hungry knight II

[keen narwhal]

still dont understand

[whole holly]

Essence, Void and Soul being primary forces in HK universe and other forces primarily being derivatives of it is interesting

[frosty gate]

Also this isn't even what I contest.
If your blood suddenly turns blue and you cut yourself and you bleed, does it come blue or red?

It's your fluids, it comes out the color it has to come out

[wet walrus]

Light is probably also a primary force. It is a force that opposes void and the radiance and pk as hbs are referred to as lights.

[solar gale]

I still stand by theory that the two are somewhat corelated

[keen narwhal]

i mean yes possibly

[keen narwhal]

but overall the lifeblood god is in hiding waiting so it can get stronger

[solar gale]

Also what's with us entering the dream world with lifeblood

[whole holly]

i mean when knight gets hit lifeblood spews out instead of void, idk what else to tell you

[keen narwhal]

idk

we shall nika the professional

ask nika*

[whole holly]

possibly, i mean Essence is said to make up Light, but radiance's light is brighter than essence, we don't get information about Pale Light that much

[solar gale]

Radiance is made of essence

It's not brighter than the essence, it literally is the essence

[whole holly]

it seems related to fact that veil between dream realm and waking is cut with Lifeblood

[keen narwhal]

yeah most likely

[whole holly]

idk that's how seer says it

[wet walrus]

Pale King does glow bright in abyss during birthplade scene. Though you can also consider the lighthouse as a powerful pale light considering it is powered by soul and pk has unlimited amount of it.

[whole holly]

yeah, her light is variation of essence, but some believe it is different substance

[keen narwhal]

also no i woudnt say it is essence but is made of it like GMS

[solar gale]

In all endings involving her, essence spills out when you attack the radiance

[whole holly]

so basically it proves Light can come from Soul and Essence, so not really a force

[keen narwhal]

becuase they are made of it like GMS

essence is like blood

[whole holly]

true, her Essence is most likely unique

[solar gale]

yes that's literally what i said

[frosty gate]

And yet, when we die our Shade still comes out like this

[keen narwhal]

oh i thought you were saying they are the god of essence

[frosty gate]

Can we coax TC into making an AMA again, I'm so tired of not getting answers

[keen narwhal]

but interesting idea the god of essence

[solar gale]

I doubt lifeblood can overpower void

[keen narwhal]

basically the god of souls?

i think the void is the devourer of essence

and there maybe a counterpart

[frosty gate]

"But Joni's blessing replaces our Vital Fluids"

[solar gale]

the void is the devourer of every fucking thing

[keen narwhal]

yeah but everything in this universe is made of essenence

[solar gale]

And what if you have no vital fluids??

[keen narwhal]

you gainessence when attakcking

[solar gale]

no??

what

[frosty gate]

Actually, what colour do we spew when we get hit normally?

[whole holly]

that may be because shade isn't really considered canon by many, maybe lifeblood's effects is indeed reduced when interacted with void? or maybe it just doesn't apply to shade because charms don't work on shade because shade is separate from vessel and charm applies to bearers

[keen narwhal]

bro you gain essence when attacking things

[solar gale]

that's just a dreamnail thing

[whole holly]

i don't know, black i think , and we definitely spew black particles when we are double hit

[keen narwhal]

and essence is like eergy in my opinion essence is like the matter of the universe of hollow knight

and if everything is made of essence then

boom void devourer of evrything

[solar gale]

Or or or, it could be that joni's blessing constantly seeps out lifeblood but the void inside keeps consuming it, so the knight doesnt become fully lifeblood but is affected by it

[whole holly]

yeah, it is metaphysical because it makes up light, dreams, nightmares, memories

[keen narwhal]

yep

[whole holly]

so you are saying that it is Lifeblood Version of Kingsoul? i think charm description would say that

[keen narwhal]

oh thats good

i think that would work

[frosty gate]

You're gonna make me reinstall this game just to check, I can't find a gif of it anywhere

[keen narwhal]

but also the vessel is specifically made to hold any vessel including life blood

[whole holly]

Shade can cast spells, do we get hit with stronger spell damage if we are wearing shaman stone? i think not, and that makes sense because Charms don't work remotely on shade

[whole holly]

it is def black don't hassle yourself, i have game installed

[solar gale]

If it can turn your vital fluids into lifeblood then yeah

It does say that

We see zylotol get his insides fucked by taking in too much lifeblood

[whole holly]

i saw video and we spew black liquid

[solar gale]

Safe to assume that joni just seeps out so much lifeblood it replaces your vital fluids

[keen narwhal]

makes sense to spew black liquid i mean the eggs in that the hollow knight come from or broke open by the void making the children hollow

[whole holly]

yeah but why would it replace our shade that's not part of knight's body, charms don't work remotely, only on bearer, shade wouldn't be impacted unless we absorb it

also Vessel is child of two higher beings, they should have stronger immunity than hornet

[frosty gate]

And white light

[solar gale]

I never said it replaces your shade??

[frosty gate]

We also heal with soul?????

THIS MAKES NO SENSE

[keen narwhal]

i meen we arnt only void

[whole holly]

other people think that charm should work remotely on shade, which doesn't make sense but it would make sense if it replaced our shade while we have it

[keen narwhal]

maybe the soul part is to heal our shell

[whole holly]

what else would we heal with?

[solar gale]

.

[whole holly]

infection?

[keen narwhal]

i think soul heals the outside shell we arnt pure void

[whole holly]

i read that, yeah it might not be ideal explanation but good with what we have

[keen narwhal]

our outside is like any other bug

[whole holly]

pretty much yeah

[solar gale]

my explanation makes perfect sense with everything we have

[keen narwhal]

wait so that means life blood only affects our outside not the void inside

[frosty gate]

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense we heal with soul because we heal our shell

But for our vital fluids, which are void, can't be replaced with Lifeblood

[keen narwhal]

and it replaces our outside shells health

[keen narwhal]

yes

[frosty gate]

Which is what I'm arguing for

[keen narwhal]

yep i get your argument now

[frosty gate]

Do we spew Blue and Black when we get hit with Lifeblood masks?

[solar gale]

@frosty gate read

[whole holly]

we don't have good examples of lifeblood interacting with void, saying that shade makes lifeblood ineffective is inconsistent

[whole holly]

only blue

[keen narwhal]

ahhhhh

[frosty gate]

It could be a possibility

[solar gale]

Void makes everything ineffective

[frosty gate]

Then it makes no sense and I'm buying a ticket to australia to choke Ari and William

[whole holly]

not infection, Shadow Creeper is infected, even hollow knight is infected

plus Lifeblood is similar to infection

[keen narwhal]

yep the only thing than can be affected with the knights body is the shell not the inside

[solar gale]

Because he isn't hollow that's the whole point of the first game

[solar gale]

As per shadow creepers, I'd just say it emphasises how powerful the radiance is

[frosty gate]

What about Shadow Creepers?

[solar gale]

In the end void does end up neutralizing her after all

So

[whole holly]

exactly, void doesn't make things entirely hollow and it doesn't make infection or lifeblood ineffective

[whole holly]

that's only because we united Void under our will and physically weaponized it against radiance

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[frosty gate]

It does make it ineffective because we don't mutate

[solar gale]

Okay but it's still the void

[keen narwhal]

yeah meba and nika you are both right

[solar gale]

Unified void is a weapon of mass destruction

[frosty gate]

Nor are affected by the negative effects of Lifeblood

[solar gale]

Un-unified void is just an all eating primordial soup

[keen narwhal]

true

[whole holly]

it doesn't eat infection, Ancient Basin is riddled with it, look as Broken Vessel

[solar gale]

because of the radiance

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-sigh-sludge-demon-no-tears-no-crying-gif-10716016711387478941

[whole holly]

that could be because vessels are child of two higher beings, compared to hornet which is child of one higher being and weaver

[solar gale]

It's supposed to eat infection that's the entire point of the vessels

[frosty gate]

Ancient Basin has no void? All Void is inside the Abyss only

[solar gale]

Geez

[whole holly]

sure but Void fumes are still there, effects are still there

[solar gale]

The void particles are present all throughout the hallownest

And pharloom in act 3

[whole holly]

my point is that void isn't all-powerful when treating infections or lifeblood

[solar gale]

You need to understand that the radiance is a literal god ofcourse un-unified void will have little effect on it

[whole holly]

i agree, but i think we don't know case with lifeblood and shouldn't assume too much

[solar gale]

The infection mutations happened because the radiance was trying to manifest herself into the physical world

The infection happened because a literal god was trying to break out of the minds of bugs

Lifeblood is just glowy goop which makes you healthier

[frosty gate]

You have to admit you are stretching it here

[whole holly]

it clearly isn't just that

[frosty gate]

I mean, fumes and the liquid void isn't the same thing at all

[whole holly]

i mean hornet literally admits that it is because of her tough shell and physiology, compared to mortal bugs... why is this surprising or stretch?

[whole holly]

they are both void? like water has three forms ice, steam and liquid...

[frosty gate]

Do you sink in ice?

Just because there's void particles doesn't mean it will push the infection away

[random harbor]

Hunter's Journal: Lifeseed

Hunter's notes:
The bright liquid inside of these little fellows is delicious, and drinking it will make you feel stronger. I wonder how my own innards taste... would it be a heinous thing to try and drink some?

@mebaconcraft used /journal name: Lifeseed text: Hunter's notes

[whole holly]

? bad analogy we aren't comparing traits of states of matter, we are comparing traits that are unique to void

[near jasper]

Its weird no npc mentions bilewater at all before you enter it

[frosty gate]

You are the one who brought up the Water analogy and my point is

Why would Void Particles do anything against infection

[solar gale]

1 speck of void Vs the literal sun

very fair battle

[frosty gate]

1 nanoliter of oil vs the Sea

[solar gale]

Probably because no one knows about it

[frosty gate]

And I still don't know what Shadow Creepers had to do with the conversation

[frosty gate]

Caretaker does

If you don't get Seeker's Soul first

[near jasper]

How do you get trails end for silk and soul Without bilewater

[keen narwhal]

ok im back what happened

[near jasper]

Idk

[frosty gate]

What?

[near jasper]

Trails end is a requirement for silk and soul

The shakra quest that needs every map she sells

[frosty gate]

Oh well, yeah you kinda go in

[keen narwhal]

ngl the radiance vs a speck of void seems like the void would be a parsite constantly eating away at the radiances essence

[frosty gate]

But the only mention of Bilewater is by Caretaker

[keen narwhal]

also whats up tarantula

[near jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/styx-silksong-bug-styx-love-silksong-styx-gif-5523667019778148263

[keen narwhal]

lol

i think it makes sense the caretaker is the one totalk about bilewater he is a nomad basically

and was most likely travelling through their to find a shelter place and more of fleas

[candid linden]

the radiance died

[stray fog]

Also his family member died in bilewater

[keen narwhal]

im back

[keen narwhal]

didnt know that good info

[keen narwhal]

we were talking about the radiance and what would void particles do to it in theory and i said that

[half zenith]

Anyone else strongly suspect, based on Hornet’s history with mad science as well as her history of outliving her partners, that she actually once attempted to use lifeblood to resurrect the dead? She seems suspiciously unsurprised by what happened to Zango, and her diary entries on Lifeblood betray some degree of familiarity.

[keen narwhal]

hmm i would say no

i mean she is probably old enough to know what happened with lifeblood

and why the king of hallownest made it taboo

i think she may have seen a deceased corpse come to life through it

[near jasper]

Reviving husks is one of the most common pharloom things lol I dont think you need to be surprised

[keen narwhal]

yeah

it even happens with the radiance

it seems very common to bring back the dead

[runic folio]

hewo

[keen narwhal]

hola

[low oracle]

I doubt it. Lifeblood was outlawed by the Pale King and during her life she already witnessed an infection break an entire kingdom. Messing around with anything similar would be pure stupidity and ignorance.
The only reason she doesn't really give a shit is the fact that she's already in a whole other situation requiring her attention. The lifeblood phial just conveniently helps her achieve her end goal.

I'll go off of discord now, I just checked in for a bit. You can ping me, but don't expect an asnwer.

[keen narwhal]

what i said but smarter

[near jasper]

What are bellhome sized bells used for except houses

[keen narwhal]

well when i see it i also see a giant church with a giant bell on top

so maybe some of them are used

like bells in those places where you ring a bell after a boss is defeated

[foggy stratus]

Shops ig.

[keen narwhal]

like the bell you see after beating lace fr the first time

but bigger

[foggy stratus]

Literal diving bells.

[near jasper]

Were they just discarded into the bellveins after they stopped getting used

[foggy stratus]

I dunno.

I always figured the bellveins were somehow natural like rivers, given their winding shape and sheer volume.

[near jasper]

Theyre probably the bell eaters tunnels

Or an ancestors

[foggy stratus]

I mean after they formed yeah.

[keen narwhal]

i think them being discarded makes sense becuase most didnt need a home instead they would just go to the citadel

so most of those bells werent of use

[near jasper]

How old is bell eater

[keen narwhal]

and were probably thrown in a area to be used later

hmmm

idk

i dont think they say it anywhere

but they said it was sleeping and was awoken by us summoning the void

which i think they might be older than bell beast idk why

idk even what im saying

[foggy stratus]

Its journal entry says "long dormant" so probably pretty senile.

[keen narwhal]

but also they could be pregnant from there needolin dialogue as well

but thats a theory as well

[near jasper]

How did it sleep through millions of bells but not rocks from the gms fight

[keen narwhal]

so they could have old age or they are in their prime kinda

[keen narwhal]

maybe its used to bells

i mean the void create a giant crash of thousands of bells all throughout pharloom

[near jasper]

Wait

[keen narwhal]

its like a earthquake your not gonna notice or care about something stomping around as much as a earthqueake destroying your home

yeah

[near jasper]

Can someone with godhome mod check something

The wiki picture doesnt look like it has the haunting strings when playing the needolin

Does it have them

[candid linden]

whats the knight doing under pharloom

[foggy stratus]

It probably sensed Hornet in the Void and went to check it out.

Also it's kinda the Void so yeah.

[candid linden]

why wasnt it concerned with the pale being

[foggy stratus]

Pharloom isn't its problem.

[candid linden]

what does it even do in the void

does it just roam endlessly

[foggy stratus]

It is the Void.

[candid linden]

hmm

[foggy stratus]

Probably just chills.

[keen narwhal]

i think the void is dormant down there

like not asleep but calm

and since the knight is the void it can instantaneosly take the shape of the knight

and i think it isnt concerned becuase it sees they are with hornet and also hornet has the flower for protection as well

[candid linden]

how big is the void

[keen narwhal]

well its under two gigantic kingdoms

[candid linden]

why is there wind in Blasted Steps if its underground

[keen narwhal]

and they seem to be like oceans so

[candid linden]

do we know of any other kingdoms

[keen narwhal]

becuase of the wind from the area leading outside the kingdom maybe

[keen narwhal]

nope their most likely more

[candid linden]

there are the ones the stags went

[keen narwhal]

why would there only be two

[candid linden]

I need a third game

[keen narwhal]

true

[candid linden]

who would we even play

[keen narwhal]

but i think its a huge ocean thing kinda like our world

under evrything is large void ocean

and some areas dont have it

[candid linden]

what areas

[keen narwhal]

like i mean its most likely there are kingdoms without the void under it

also dont the grimm troupe go to dying kingdoms and most of the dying kingdoms have void oceans under them?

[lime gazelle]

void

silk

lifeblood

what do they all have in common?

[keen narwhal]

they all have something to do withthe body of a bug

silk is solid soul

void is soul that devours

and lifeblood is soul that gives health in return they use you as host body

[marble oasis]

“below all things”

[keen narwhal]

espicially those of weak body

[keen narwhal]

oh really then its just a giant ocean then

also hello zorinus

[marble oasis]

hello

[near jasper]

Because it has an exit from pharloom's caves

[foggy stratus]

Weird magic substance that all appear in Hollow Knight.

[lime gazelle]

you're not wrong

[near jasper]

They have vowels

[lime gazelle]

but I wouldn't call void or silk weird as well
Weavers and bugs as beings seem to be made from/are produced from void and silk

which just seems natural in the HK universe

[foggy stratus]

Void only really naturally makes Void Tendrils.

Those aren't even really creatures.

[near jasper]

And shadow creepers maybe

[foggy stratus]

More likely they're creatures that got tainted with Void. Or evolved to incorporate Void into their bodies.

[lime gazelle]

Well
There's obviously a link between soul and void

same with,
silk
and
song

[foggy stratus]

Silk is just physical Soul.

[near jasper]

Does normal bug silk without soul exist

[lime gazelle]

and then void is jist physical song

[foggy stratus]

No?

[lime gazelle]

well
Look at it this way

obviously
both games are a direct contrast between eachother

in basically
every way

so therefore

you can perceive both games mechanics as contrasted
or by which they are just swapped with what they work with/ are in line with

Listen it's
02:14
I might be sounding a little crazy

[near jasper]

Isnt physical song just a music sheet

[foggy stratus]

No, I will not hear you out. You need sleep.

[lime gazelle]

I don't think music sheets
are important in this game

[foggy stratus]

Physical song is a Psalm Cylinder.

Not Void.

[lime gazelle]

Even so
Psalm cylinders are not very important
lore wise

[foggy stratus]

I've seen some crackpot theories in my day but few if any compare to this.

[lime gazelle]

The contrast though
Of both games

[foggy stratus]

The dastardly Final Operation of Conductor Mizello(it holds the secerets of the universe):

[foggy stratus]

Ok but how tho.

Saying is one thing, proving is a whole other thing.

[near jasper]

Void is not physical song

"no mouth to cry suffering"

[foggy stratus]

Voice*

[near jasper]

Same thing

[foggy stratus]

No.

Vessels alsmot definitely have mouths, the art style just doesn't show them.

Just like fingers.

[lime gazelle]

Well
Void is what
Hollow Knight is about

Song (for the most part)
is what Silksongs about

Silk and Soul
Void and Song
Get me?

[foggy stratus]

Hollow Knight is NOT about song.

[lime gazelle]

Silksong is

[foggy stratus]

Oh wait I misread

Fucking confusing format man.

[lime gazelle]

What

I tried to make it as coherent as possible

Give me some credit for that

[foggy stratus]

You get two galactic credits.

[foggy stratus]

This isn't proof either. This is another claim.

[lime gazelle]

I'll just take pesos

[foggy stratus]

If anything Hollow Knight is more about dreams.

[keen narwhal]

ok imback

[lime gazelle]

So then..

SILKSONG IS ABOUT MEMORIES

[foggy stratus]

Tbh both games are about the impossibility of lasting forever.

[keen narwhal]

what are we talking about

[foggy stratus]

No, it's not.

[lime gazelle]

but Act 3

[foggy stratus]

Someone js saying Void is physical Song.

[keen narwhal]

mmmmmm

[lime gazelle]

Dreams in Hollow Knight

the direct contrast

Memories in Silksong

[foggy stratus]

They're both the same substance. Essence.

[keen narwhal]

i think song is what is inside the soul maybe enev void

[lime gazelle]

But there is a big difference between a dream and memory

[foggy stratus]

They're made of the same substance.

[keen narwhal]

but its the purpose of the soul

not the actual soul

[lime gazelle]

but that doesn't just make them both 100% the same

[foggy stratus]

Yes but they're similar. They're in the same realm.

[keen narwhal]

they are in the same realm but for differnnt purposes

i think

[lime gazelle]

dreams in hollow knight are the dreams of the bosses you are fighting in the dream

memories in silksong are the memories of the bosses you are fighting in the memory

what is a dream: a wish
a memory: a past experience

[keen narwhal]

so i think the song is just a purpose but its inside the soul and we use the strings to see what the souls purpose is

[foggy stratus]

White Defender is a memory of Ogrim's old prime.

[lime gazelle]

It can be argued he dreams(wishes) to be back in his old prime

[keen narwhal]

hmm i think your theory can work just needs more work

[foggy stratus]

You could make the same argument for say Karmalita.

[keen narwhal]

i think the wish and memory are in the same boat but differnt things at the same time

[lime gazelle]

how

[foggy stratus]

The issue is he doesn't have any proof.

[keen narwhal]

iah

dang

[foggy stratus]

In the same vein as White Defender.

[keen narwhal]

they both wish to be in their prime again

is what i think horf is saying

[foggy stratus]

Also, THEREAL, you still haven't given actual evidence or proof for this absurd claim about Void yet.

[keen narwhal]

yep

[lime gazelle]

But the thing about ogrim is
He's okay
Karmelita is uh
she ain't doing so great

[keen narwhal]

yeah but they could still have the same wish

or dream

[foggy stratus]

All the more reason she'd want to be back in her prime.

[keen narwhal]

or whatever your trying to say

[keen narwhal]

exactly

[lime gazelle]

But she can't
ogrim i mean
he could
if well he ever left his poop domain

[keen narwhal]

I dont wanna be a shriveled rasion who is bed ridden

[foggy stratus]

Doesn't mean she can't want.

[lime gazelle]

I think she's given up

I mean
her dialogue suggests everything of failure and accepting it's over

[keen narwhal]

even if you have given up you can still wish and dream though

[merry creek]

Hello

[lime gazelle]

but again back to my insano theory
if karmelita is the only character by extension that can fold this theory, not taking account Ogrim because he can be chalked up reasonably,
All the more reason it might be true

[merry creek]

I'm new

[keen narwhal]

hi pablo

[keen narwhal]

mmm just prove the void part

[keen narwhal]

anything you would like to talk about

[foggy stratus]

Dude, it's not a theory until you produce actual proper evidence. Right now it's a head canon at best.

[lime gazelle]

how can I at
02:33
I'm gonna say something stupid

[keen narwhal]

dang go to sleep man

[keen narwhal]

come back

[merry creek]

Hi casuality. Do you speack Spanish

[foggy stratus]

And don't just make more wacko claims either. Or go to bed.

[keen narwhal]

like tommorow with evidence to debate bro

[keen narwhal]

sadly not

[foggy stratus]

I will bet my soul there isn't good evidence for this BTW.

[merry creek]

Not spesifcly

[merry creek]

Oh ok

[keen narwhal]

idk you canhang around with us and argue with random people who come in

Just ask if they have evidence

[lime gazelle]

Okay you know what
This is kind of funny
I just make some E ball lore drops at like 3AM and see what people have to say

[craggy smelt]

that is the best time for lore

[foggy stratus]

Ok seriously bro go to bed. You're not making any sense.

[craggy smelt]

sleep is for the weak

...goodnight everybody

[merry creek]

Jajaja, ok

So fun

[keen narwhal]

good night powerful yak

[lime gazelle]

Oh no
I am making the most sense right now
By tradition
Every midnight
I'm gonna start a freaking war in here
Well unintentionally of course

[keen narwhal]

it is

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-season-2-your-shoe's-untied-patrick-gif-6305432242471678630

i think i made friends with these guys they just wont say it

[merry creek]

Wao

It is good rigth??

[keen narwhal]

all you gottan do is pretend to be smart

[keen narwhal]

yep

you get paid with knowledge and random autogrpahs

sherma gave me a autograph

look

see its sherma

[merry creek]

I don't speack English very well so... I don't undertand evrithing

[keen narwhal]

hold on i translate

Sherma me dio un autógrafo

thank you google

[merry creek]

XD

[keen narwhal]

Lol

[craggy smelt]

Absolute Sherma

(choir music booms)

[merry creek]

I'm supposed to be here to learn English, so it's best not to translate

[keen narwhal]

gotcha

[keen narwhal]

bro you wernt here it was awsome sherma was telling us his many battles

And who he would wipe the floor with

Anyways sometimes it becomes slow

Becuase we just wait for a new guy

[craggy smelt]

wow, the sherma

[merry creek]

Is for me??

[keen narwhal]

nope unless you got a theory

We figured out sherma and zote are complete equals and they would cancel eachother out

if they hit eachother

[merry creek]

No I not have this

[keen narwhal]

ok well we wait

[merry creek]

Wait what??

[keen narwhal]

yep

sometimes it gets quiet

Like this

Usually it just me talking into the void

[merry creek]

And now why is different??

Another me

[keen narwhal]

idk sigh

We wait

wann talk about something

[shy sorrel]

Why is skarrsinger so weak in present day?

[glacial warren]

She aged, as any mortal Bug must.

No one stays young and pristine forever.

More or less the fates of Pharloom’s neighboring rulers. The Citadel caused the Karak’s great river to dry up, resulting in Khann and most of his people calcifying, Nyleth wilted and perished at some point, and the invasive bramble creature Sister Splinter took over her forest. Skarrsinger Karmelita got old and her voice waned, causing her to lose control of her tribe/offspring, and Verdania withered away under the march of time, now only the Green Prince and Cogwork Dancers left, plus the Memorium exhibit of Verdania, as reminders that it ever existed.

[shy sorrel]

Why didnt grandmother silk age

She still strong

[glacial warren]

She’s a Deity, and so is Immortal by default.

Time marches on, but she remains, unchanging.

[shy sorrel]

Ok

[dire lynx]

nyleth is alive

[keen narwhal]

really? isnt she gone when we go into her shrine?

i mean the plant life isnt died so i guess but still doesnt make sense

[marble oasis]

Not really

White Lady went blind with age

[median jungle]

Is there supposed to be some sort of power that embodies song, the way there are for void and soul and dreams and so on

[tiny steeple]

She did? Huh

[keen narwhal]

what grand mother silk went blind?

maybe white lady is a weaker higherbeing

[keen narwhal]

you mean a higher being of songs?

i have a idea like that i had a theory about a higher being who is the being of souls which is a dumb idea but still

[median jungle]

Nah like a Song power the way Essence can be used for stuff

Like how there's soul and SOUL

[keen narwhal]

hmm i think the song power is either what is used in silksong to unlock things and see wha a beings goal is

oh wait i forgot my other choice

or other guess

[solar gale]

what

[keen narwhal]

oh wait i wanted to say maybe a song that can be used to heal the body?

[keen narwhal]

idk

im trying to figure that out

[median jungle]

I could swear souls were a different thing than the soul we collect in hk

[keen narwhal]

do you mean the essence aka the stuff we get from attacking and the souls who float around and we can talk to?

[median jungle]

essence is the stuff that goes in the dream nail and the ghost are made of it, but what I was talking about was soul. For instance the hunter wonders if the infected baloon can "produce soul"

[solar gale]

soul is like the living force

fuck why am I using starwars analogies

[keen narwhal]

but yeah

we use essence

to heal in HK

[solar gale]

no

what

Soul

Essence is dream shit

Soul is living shit

[random harbor]

White Lady - Reacting to Charms - Listening while wearing Defender's Crest

...That scent. Does another travel with you? Is that you Ogrim, my mighty Knight?
I cannot see you, but then time has clouded my eyes and I cannot see much. Even your booming voice falls silent upon me.
Only this small one I register, if maybe because it shares some piece of myself. This one stands clear upon a misted world.
Ah.... But my my, that potent smell does recall such joyous memory. Only a short moment we had together, compared to ruin now endured, but what shining times they were.
I am grateful you would visit, even if to see me in somewhat faded form.

@zorinus used /npcs misc name: White Lady category: Reacting to Charms dialogue: Listening while wearing Defender's Crest

[marble oasis]

.

[marble oasis]

Soul and souls are the same thing yeah

[keen narwhal]

oh ok

[marble oasis]

The Sanctum scholars can hear the whispering voices of all the bugs they killed and whose Soul (white stuff) they imbibed

[runic folio]

IF HERRAH IS GMS'S CHILD DOES THAT MAKE LACE MY AUNT?

[midnight reef]

Technically yes, biologically no

[elfin comet]

hornet’s grandma’s daughter

[runic folio]

wydm biologically no

[tawdry flare]

Well the Weavers were Uplifted, not birthed

[elfin comet]

i guess because lace wasnt reslly ‘born’ and instead made out of silk

[midnight reef]

GMS is physical incapable of having children

[elfin comet]

ohh yah i forgot about that

the weavers arent related to gms

[midnight reef]

She uplifted Pharlids into the Weavers, and wove Phantom and Lace from Silk

[runic folio]

what's a pharlid again?

[amber schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-dance-dancing-hornet-vessel-gif-26044531

[tiny steeple]

its that one enemy that jumps u with its claws

[runic folio]

the one in citadel?

ohhh yeah widow kinda looks like that

[tiny steeple]

no its a different one

[shy sorrel]

Whys it bad for the alchemist to have plasmium but hornet is fine

[fierce narwhal]

its said a few times in game but hornets shell and general disposition is much higher than average possibly due to her pale lineage

also it could be shes old as balls which just causes her immune system to be crazy strong

[fierce narwhal]

these fellas

[fierce narwhal]

this is also the case why she didn't get petrified as soon as she got afflicted with the curse aswell

[shy sorrel]

Why does architech die for no reason

also wtf is loam bro 💀

where the hell would the citadel get something like that

[fierce narwhal]

architect mentions that their time is running short, they seem to be working off some "i must complete my work assigned to me so i can be free" type of deal, loam just seems to be a unique bug probably a pilgrim lured like any other

[shy sorrel]

Oh

[crisp gust]

Why does gms then

She's pure pale as opposed to half pale hornet

[terse warren]

Why does GMS what?

[crisp gust]

Petrify when hornet tries binding her with the parasiet

[terse warren]

Because they were both weakened by a long fight

[twilit storm]

Whiteward probably. They make some scary things down there

[keen narwhal]

hola sherma

[stray fog]

Lmao

[candid linden]

loam gets paid like 1 Rosary/ min

thats 60 rosaries an hr

imagine getting paid 60$ an hr

why do we feel bad for him

[keen narwhal]

bro becuase he is stuck there

he is stuck doing a job that has no use

the whole citadel doesnt really need power

he doesnt even use them

[glacial warren]

Also remember, the Rosary per tick is not guaranteed. It’s random chance on if the machine dispenses one. Plus, the price for merely sitting down or using the confessional is 15 Rosaries per Bench use and 25 for using the Confessional. The price of being able to take a break is astronomical, or even just making time to practice their faith.

[keen narwhal]

oh yeah basically bro is being payed minimum wage

[glacial warren]

Less than that. Again that’s 15 Rosaries he ‘maybe’ earns per tick of running every time he wants to take a break or when his stamina inevitably depletes.

[keen narwhal]

damn

[whole holly]

has anyone ever noticed that Grey Mourner's Nail is similar to Ancient Nailsmith's Nails?

[fresh badger]

Theyre only really similar in size?

Ancient nailsmith nails

[whole holly]

okay but there is variation between Ancient Nailsmith nails, Grey Mourner's does look like similar, given how much nails themselves vary

they have really similar elements

[fresh badger]

No?????

If anything its just Quirrel's cross-nail the size of the great husk sentry's greatnails

Why did it send the image again

LMAO

[twin dragon]

They look like standart hallownest nails

adapted to her size ofc

or skillset since.. yk... sly

[whole holly]

if middle one was symmetrical it would basically be her nail

[whole holly]

fairly, yeah

[twin dragon]

eeeh

it would like like.. a nail yk

a standart one

[twin dragon]

These look absolutely fabulous

[keen narwhal]

what happened

[whole holly]

standard nails are shaped like this pretty much:

[keen narwhal]

hmm i think

the mourners sword

is their own design of the standard sword

like how knights would design their swords and armor for uniqueness in battle

it mainly helps when fighting

but also they dont wear armor to protect their body so

also the ancient nailsmiths design is very differnt from the simplitistic design o fthe origanol nail

or standard

i think they look similar becuase of how mourner designed the sword

[lone folio]

mourners nail looks like THK's nail if anything

[keen narwhal]

oh true and they both were under the pale king they were part of his group of trusted warriors i dont think the knight was but it makes sense they look similar

they were the top knights of hallownest

[whole holly]

probably refined but i think AC nail culture influenced hallownest

[keen narwhal]

i think that makes sense but the swords are just mor simplified to symbolize hallownest in some way

also question where is the location of ancient nailsmith?

[whole holly]

they likely changed over time

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[whole holly]

Kingdom's Edge, wyrm's corpse region

[keen narwhal]

ah ok

yeah they influenced the designs of the swords in some way

[lone folio]

inspired or the knowledge got passed down over generations is like 100% true

but there is a difference between the ancient nails and modern nails

[whole holly]

we don't see similar influence of AC in Pharloom, so that's why i am extra keen because i am replaying hollow knight

[near jasper]

The ancient Nails are a warcrime as the ridges could count as serrations

[lone folio]

that is interesting but it does also seem like AC isnt very accessible in pharloom

[keen narwhal]

whats wrong with serrations?

[near jasper]

Undue suffering when you stab someone

[whole holly]

because Abyss is separated from rest of Pharloom, that's not case in Hallownest

[keen narwhal]

yeah and the overall geography of pharloom is completly differnt from hollow knight even the plants of the region are differnt

they probably dont have the same sort of metals

also most of the weapons in pharloom are a differnt color

[lone folio]

yes afcourse but what i meant specifically is that hallownests early culture got the chance to be affected by AC unlike pharlooms

[keen narwhal]

yep

even the metals they probably used were differnt

espically with color

arnt most of the weapons used a gold and copper color

[foggy stratus]

In the Choir yeah.

Silver actually.

[keen narwhal]

and the ancient nailsmiths use a white silver metal

[keen narwhal]

ah

[lone folio]

The new ones seem simpler and less unique which is very similar to what is happening in our world with less detailed and more mass producable things being made. You can see how each ancient nail is different in shape and pattern and then the modern ones just have a handle and traingle shaped blade with little to no variation.

[near jasper]

How did pharloom even have so much metal

[keen narwhal]

yes they probably did that to conteract those with infection

[near jasper]

The entire cogwork core

Bellveins

[keen narwhal]

well the

[near jasper]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[lone folio]

Maybe pharlooms land is rich in metal?

[keen narwhal]

giant area with dudes who are work around lava

[lone folio]

they do have a really big mining operation

[keen narwhal]

yeah tha area

i cant remeber the name

[foggy stratus]

The pins the choir uses are a silver color.

[near jasper]

Deep docks and underworks

[keen narwhal]

thats where they get most of the metal most likely

[keen narwhal]

yesssssssss and i think they mainly used a very common metal

but its a metal differnt from what we see in HK

and thats why the designs are differnt

the ancient nailsmiths

would most likely not use the metal they use in pharloom

[near jasper]

Pharloom almost definitely uses a lot of bronze

[keen narwhal]

yep you can see it in the color

and i think its weaker than the metal in hallownest

[near jasper]

And shakra's bronze markers from bells

[keen narwhal]

its a quick resource to find

[lone folio]

AC probably has their own kind of metal

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[keen narwhal]

yep what im saying

copper or bronze i think is very common

[lone folio]

Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin

[keen narwhal]

and they used those instead of rarer metals to mae them eisar to produce

yeah

[near jasper]

Its weird theres loose rosaries inside the bellveins in bellhart

[keen narwhal]

hmmm

you mean those little chests or bells full of rosaries

in the tunnels

with the grump old dude?

yeah i think they put those down there maybe for religious purposes

[near jasper]

Ye

[keen narwhal]

but at the same time

GMS and evryone above would want you to deposit it in a donation spot or something

trying to scam you

oh goood theory

i think

[near jasper]

The one in the upper bellways kinda of make sense since bellhart probably wanted to expand up to their bellshrime

[near jasper]

Like the statues holding the bowls in the background

[keen narwhal]

they maybe shipments of rosaries from a long while ago

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[vestal oracle]

The nameless town have desolate wastes furthermore?

[whole holly]

yea

[vestal oracle]

Do we know any other kingdoms

[lone folio]

Nameless town is in the wastes yeah

[keen narwhal]

nope

[near jasper]

Steel city

[keen narwhal]

oh ummmmm

[vestal oracle]

Whats that

[near jasper]

Steel guys place

[keen narwhal]

oh yeah thos steel guys

they made weird

[vestal oracle]

Ohh

[twin dragon]

yeah it would look like that i imagine

[lone folio]

city of steel, a place reffered to as "lands serene", there is also two places called "sand sea waste" and "blackbarrens" which could be just areas of the wastes or one or both of them are kingdoms

[keen narwhal]

anyways my theory as to why the rosaries are in the bull vein is becuase they were being shipped by a group of bell beasts and they probably got broken off

[twin dragon]

i'd imagine sand sea wastes are a wastes region

[vestal oracle]

Do we know of them from like books or like do they serve some function we know

[lone folio]

yeah

[lone folio]

its from silksong in a room in the cradel

[near jasper]

Most of these are from the weaver cages in the cradle

[lone folio]

its a room with the cages of weavers that got captured

[whole holly]

also Land of Storms seems to be place of origin of Godseeker

[vestal oracle]

Oh

[near jasper]

Lands serene is grey mourner and everbloom

[vestal oracle]

Oh yeah that thing

Where we get the mask entry

[keen narwhal]

yeah we do learn there are other kingdoms through those cages

[vestal oracle]

Hollow Knight : Black Barren
featuring pablo and zote

[vestal oracle]

Weavers were all over the place huh

[lone folio]

A bunch of them ran away so yeah

[keen narwhal]

what is black barrens?

[lone folio]

🤷‍♂️

[keen narwhal]

i know steel city

and the otehr one is probs the desert

[lone folio]

we dont know any other kingdoms in detail except for the steel city, hallownest, AC, Pharloom, and the land of storms

[vestal oracle]

AC?

[twin dragon]

ancient civs

[vestal oracle]

Oh

[keen narwhal]

yes and all those are failing kingdoms except for maybe the kingdom of steel

[vestal oracle]

Those come under hallownest no?
Ac

So all we know abt steel city is that its uhh the place where the steel guys live we saw in the trailer right?

[lone folio]

the rest (Lands serene, Blackbarrens, Sandsea Waste) we have no other information on except that lands serene have the everbloom. Some of these could not even be kingdoms like Sandsea Waste

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[lone folio]

trailer?

[keen narwhal]

just steel dudes

[lone folio]

wdym trailer??

[vestal oracle]

We saw in trailer for sk

[keen narwhal]

idk about a trailer

[vestal oracle]

Cut content

[keen narwhal]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

[lone folio]

ohhhh

[keen narwhal]

those giant alien things

[lone folio]

the first one

[keen narwhal]

who laser you as welll

[vestal oracle]

Yeah

Yeahh

[lone folio]

yeah those are city of steel dudes

[near jasper]

We're probably getting some of those back in a dlc

[keen narwhal]

yep interesting

true

[vestal oracle]

Sea of sorrow in Sandsea Waste?? 👀

[keen narwhal]

what if in the next hollow knight game we go to red barrens

[keen narwhal]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lone folio]

sea of sorrow is in pharloom bay

so no

[keen narwhal]

oh true

[whole holly]

pharloom bay or barnacle bay

[vestal oracle]

Wait is that confirmed

[lone folio]

atleast whatever pharloom bay is going to be called now

[whole holly]

most likely true

[vestal oracle]

Oh wow

[keen narwhal]

yeah we are going to the bay with the old dude

[lone folio]

practically confirmed yes. We got to see some of pharloom bay and it seems to line upp with sea of sorrow

[vestal oracle]

Eldersnail

Something i made up

[keen narwhal]

that guy

[vestal oracle]

Cool

[foggy stratus]

Is it possible that the Pinstresses and Nail Masters originated from the same group that over time migrated away from each other?

[vestal oracle]

Idk

[keen narwhal]

maybe

lets think about fight styles first

[twin dragon]

[vestal oracle]

That one paintress was dumb to reside in bilewater or whatever she was in

[keen narwhal]

if we see how they both fight we can probably figure it out

they would most likely have a similar fighting style

[vestal oracle]

Oh wow i am expeditionrotted
I meant pinstress

[keen narwhal]

atleast to some percentage

[whole holly]

pinstresses look more like stilkin

[lone folio]

theres also the dialogue with zylotol where he tells you that "Plasmium was discovered by my master at the farthest edge of Pharloom, hidden deep in salt-stricken waters."

[keen narwhal]

yeah but maybe she was living there and that was her home we see those guys who look similar to her as well

[lone folio]

salt stricken waters being the pharloom bay area we will get to explore by submarine

[keen narwhal]

maybe she taught them

[vestal oracle]

They should make a channel called hsk lore because sk and hk lore come together alot

[lone folio]

i mean this is kind of that

[keen narwhal]

and was trying to stop the citadel from taking everything

[whole holly]

she could have gone to pharloom bay or even mt.fay

[vestal oracle]

Hk lore is useless lol

[vestal oracle]

Ye

[lone folio]

except for the people who dont have silksong

[foggy stratus]

Its not like a species, it's an order. Multiple different kinds of bugs probably could join if they had the skill.

[twin dragon]

that pinstress could've found accomodation within bilewater

[keen narwhal]

look at what i said

[vestal oracle]

?

[keen narwhal]

it could be why she is going there

let me get it

[whole holly]

yeah true, hornet joins the order