sk-lore

[low oracle]

Which Dialogue is that though?

[limpid summit]

Yeah for sure I agree with that about GP

But it’s weird thematically to portray him like that and then Karmelita as near death despite her being actually younger

[foggy stratus]

Who tf is Karm again?

[limpid summit]

With Elderbug he’s supposed to be inexperienced and prejudiced despite his age it’s played off

Karm is played completely straight

[low oracle]

Elderbug could be an elder for the common bug, not our HB and such creatures. Also, consider the fact that Seth may or may not have been the first and last Shrinekeeper, making him older than 90% of Pharloom. And nothing says this isn't possible either.

[limpid summit]

I’ll pull it up

Through their march, at the far border of these lowlands, seek the last queen of the ant hunters. We can sense her still... just.
In youth, her voice united the wild tribes. Gave them the strength to resist the pale monarch's will... longer than most at least.

She’s on the verge of death

And “longer than most” also fits with Khann’s “alone against the pale light”

[low oracle]

I think that's just the haunting though. We know for a fact that Karmelita was the sole reason the Skarr could resist it (at first, also mottled Skarr I guess, but they got the racism now instead). So why would she also have opposed GMS pre-citadel?

[limpid summit]

Aggressive warrior tribe with large swath of territory suddenly has to deal with a higher being

Just like the mantises

[near jasper]

Ant queens need other ants to care for them

Thats probably why karmelitta is dying

[low oracle]

Maybe, especially given her size. I doubt she could sustain herself without assistance, when food is scarce as a result of an apocalypse.

[foggy stratus]

She's old as hell and very mortal. She's old, right?

[near jasper]

At least as old as the current ant tribe

[low oracle]

She's old, but we don't know how old. Her youth seemingly took place during the haunting, so she shouldn't be much older than Hornet.
Then again, she is a common bug, so who knows?

[foggy stratus]

Common bug potentially as old as Hornet? Yeah, she's probably just really old.

[low oracle]

After all, Hornet did outlive several of her mates (lover creatures).

[near jasper]

Yeah, and I doubt the haunted skarr are doing a good job at that, especially when theres also no way to keep the food from Rotting and void silk Now

[keen narwhal]

im back yall

[low oracle]

Funnily enough, the Green Prince is either older than Karmelita or she existed from the beginning of the citadel, anywhere pre-conducters.

[near jasper]

Hello

[keen narwhal]

hola

what is this theory?

how old is karmelita?

[near jasper]

Green prince isnt old because of the benefits of a vegan diet
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[edgy nebula]

actually yeah karmelita's peak was at earliest during the stone citadel

cause she has silkflies in her arena

[keen narwhal]

wait were figuring out how old is karmelita?

well we know so far karmelita was at her peak during the expansion of the citidal

she could keep away gms

while not being a HB

[low oracle]

Silkflies where Conductors age, after all the Weavers had left or died.

[low oracle]

GMS ≠ Citadel

[dire lynx]

false

[keen narwhal]

i know

i meant gms as gms is using her powers

[low oracle]

The state what you believe is the truth.

[keen narwhal]

to attack the kingdom

[dire lynx]

weavers literally created the silk syphon, along with the rest of whiteward

[low oracle]

The haunting refers to GMS using her powers while asleep, which happened after and during the Conductors age.

[keen narwhal]

also to make sure all bugs age differntly right i know its a dumb question but yeah

[keen narwhal]

oh ok

[low oracle]

Do you have a source to that?

[limpid summit]

Weavers created silkflies but conductor-era architects used them in cogwork creations

Besides the Sentinels which were weaver era and may or may not have silkflies

But they have a different design compared to cogworks

[keen narwhal]

Wait during the timeline when is the conductors age are we currently in that era with hornet or was this when the citadel was being expanded to other areas

[dire lynx]

its covered in weaver runes, very obviously weaver tech

[low oracle]

Sentinels where Architect time, which was Conductor's age. So that doesn't quite add up. The only automaton that might have been created during the Weaver-Conductor transition would be the (something)Maidens.

EDIT: Clawmaidens don't use silk flies iirc.

[limpid summit]

Clawmaidens?

I see what you mean

But the architects have Weaver directives

The system of conductor architecture vaultkeeper existed under the weavers they were just subservient

The first architect created the sentinels in weaver times

[low oracle]

That doesn't mean the entirety of the Whiteward was their idea, neither does it mean that it always had the same purpose. Sure, they definitely messed around with silk, but I doubt they would be so stupid as to directly give GMS control.
The silk flies have the main purpose of guiding pilgrims to Pharloom, they just also happen to be viable in architecture, automatons and silken manipulation magic stuff (whatever it is called when they guide you in the Mist and when one frees Hornet at the very start of the game.)

[dire lynx]

source that it has a different use than turning people into silkflies

[limpid summit]

The silk siphon is of weaver make

[keen narwhal]

escuse me me can i get a overall summary of what we are talking about

excuse

[dire lynx]

whiteward and silkflies were weaver plans/creations

[limpid summit]

The Whiteward was meant to create silkflies to guide pilgrims up in a time where the citadel was more austere under Weavers and the pilgrimage was less widespread

[low oracle]

The Weaver age and the Conductor age obviously had to have a transition, since politics can't change in one single instance.
However the advancements didn't all come at once. Ias Pisamor seems the earliest version of a fully (once) functional automaton, which later was redesigned for both the Architect's melody, the Threefold melody and the Religious Capitalism Automaton in the Underworks.

[limpid summit]

Later weavers discovered the silkflies could animate some robots as well

Way later than that the architects used it en masse to make all the cogworks

And after that Whiteward was repurposed for the immortality surgeries

[low oracle]

I meant silkflies having different uses. Source:
-Fourth Chorus death
-Lanterns
-The Mist
-First Lace fight
-Automaton defeating animation
-First cutscene
-some dialogue saying "be the light to guide" or something

[fading shard]

They do

they literally are shown to have silkflies wdym

[low oracle]

When exactly?

[fading shard]

literally in the second sentinel boss fight room

we see silkflies near the corpses of the fallen sentinels

[low oracle]

Okay, and the Silkflies?

[dire lynx]

"That doesn't mean the entirety of the Whiteward was their idea, neither does it mean that it always had the same purpose"

[low oracle]

I probably didn't notice it, do you have a picture?

[fading shard]

and mind you we only ever get to see them next to lace, as lanterns or next to automatons

[low oracle]

?

[near jasper]

And in the mists

[dire lynx]

this is what you said when talking about whiteward and the silk syphon

[keen narwhal]

ok i think thats a good theory

[near jasper]

Because they somehow fucked up so bad in being a lamp they got sent to the waste mamagement facility

[keen narwhal]

i mean it works

[low oracle]

I know, but what are you trying to prove?

[dire lynx]

"I meant silkflies having different uses."

[keen narwhal]

the silkflies seems to be a form of energy or light in this world

[plain ruin]

Silkfly discussion?

In this economy?

[dire lynx]

whiteward being weaver creation

[keen narwhal]

and the bugs in the white ward

[keen narwhal]

helll yeah

[plain ruin]

Silk Siphon was definitely made when the Weavers were here, I agree

[keen narwhal]

seem to have a lot of silk based mutations

maybe they experimented by possibly

[fading shard]

well yeah soul nautral gives some light

and silkflies are just

that in a weird way

hard to explain it

[keen narwhal]

so wait or silkflies basicaly just souls turned into flies

oh kinda

[near jasper]

Ye

[keen narwhal]

like lace think about it

[fading shard]

the pilgrims

it's the soul of the pilgrims

[keen narwhal]

yeah its kinda like lace

[fading shard]

turned into flies

[fading shard]

souls of pilgrims

[keen narwhal]

yes their souls are turned into silk based bugs

kinda like lace

[near jasper]

Why did they need to turn them into flies wouldnt it be easier to use a bug that cant fly

Are the whiteward is stupid

[fading shard]

to "serve the citadel truly eternally"

[keen narwhal]

maybe they saw what lace could do and experimented on regular pilgrims

[dire lynx]

first image is weavenest murglin, second is the whiteward

[fading shard]

it was for bugs that were of old age

[near jasper]

Ok?

[fading shard]

to make it so they coul for eternity serve the citadel

[plain ruin]

My understanding is that the Silkflies were created from the Silk within a bug, imbued with the Soul of the same bug

[near jasper]

I was asking why make them into flies instead of a different being

[fading shard]

idk

[keen narwhal]

ok i see why they picked old bugs to make it not look suspicious when they are gone

[fading shard]

why not?

[near jasper]

Flies fly Away, thats not a very simple thing to manage when you dont

[plain ruin]

Makes em work better as guides

Might've taken inspiration from gleamflies or lumaflies

[keen narwhal]

but i think they saw what happned with lace and tried to make regular pilgrims purely silk based and we can see this in white ward with some beings almost interely made of silk on their faces and such

[dire lynx]

they are made of the brainwashed souls of pilgrims who gladly served the citadel their whole lives

[low oracle]

The silk syphon isn't used to put silk into the bugs, otherwise the layout of the Whiteward would contradict it. The silkflies were referring to the use of the syphon, the rest of the Whiteward isn't even confirmed to be the idea of the Weavers. Specifically, the "making mortality illegal".

Of course I'd be happy to see if I am wrong in this regard, given you can give me proof of any kind.

(I also had a disturbtion so I sent this message far later)

[near jasper]

Every silkfly leaves immediately the second they can

[plain ruin]

You mean the Dreg enemies?

[keen narwhal]

are thos the ones with silk faces that kinda like become tentacles kinda

if so yes

[plain ruin]

Dreg enemies are just haunted corpses, they weren't explicitly created to look like that by the Whiteward

[keen narwhal]

ohhhhhhhh

[plain ruin]

Silk dregs haunting hollowed-out husks

[dire lynx]

the silk syphon turns bugs into silkflies

[near jasper]

Why does gms even haunt pieces of bug husks your standards cant possibly be that low

[keen narwhal]

but i still think they tried to something similar to how lace was made and it didnt work

[plain ruin]

Pale Beings really love devotion

[dire lynx]

eva

[keen narwhal]

i mean she wants as much control as possible

[keen narwhal]

wha

[limpid summit]

“A bug who serves must never die” likely refers to siphoning the silk from a bug and turning it into a silkfly so it can serve the citadel further by guiding other pilgrims up

[dire lynx]

artificial life made of silk

[limpid summit]

Which would have been a Weaver era motive, as it was the conductors who transformed the citadel into a place of worship in and of itself and popularized the pilgrimage

[fading shard]

isn't that what I sad ;-;

[limpid summit]

So you wouldnt need guides

[plain ruin]

Methinks the Soul of the bug is extracted as well, or at least some part of it

[fading shard]

or did I not say that clear enough

[limpid summit]

Yeah pretty much

[keen narwhal]

that sounds like war propaganda bro...

[fading shard]

that's I literally just said that too above

[near jasper]

How would extract silk without extracting soul

[limpid summit]

Weaver era you needed silkflies to guide pilgrims and sentinels to accompany them
Conductor era the pilgrimage is just a thing people do

[fading shard]

is what I'm saying not conveyed well enough or smth

[fading shard]

the sentinels forcefully took bugs outside the citadel?

they didn't really accompany them

they brought them in forcefully

[dire lynx]

"A gleaming order, cogwork sentinels, so impressive-majestic in function they were charged-b-b-bound to the highest holy duty.
Long before the c-c-creation of the core, the sentinels ventured, even beyond these walls, to see all bugs brought-forced safe to serve the Citadel."

[fading shard]

yeah

that proves my point

[keen narwhal]

i mean they can take the silk inside of the dead bodies and not the soul

[blissful harbor]

“brought forced”
i think that’s kidnapping

[fading shard]

that

is what I was trying to say yes

[near jasper]

Thats a stretch ngl

[plain ruin]

Cremation and subsequent extraction, the Soul still lingers on in the threads of course but the Silk Siphon is likely an intentional extraction of Soul vs. an unintentional perpetuation of the Soul through the extracted Silk

[limpid summit]

Yes they kidnapped bugs

You’re right

[blissful harbor]

that is not

that’s what the dialogue says my gal

[fading shard]

:D

[plain ruin]

Must've missed it, I showed up recently so that might be why, mb

[near jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/a-true-skonger-hornet-silksong-silkpost-animal-instinct-gif-2410519712820608891

[keen narwhal]

the citadel just be doing what they want bro

[near jasper]

How did the citadel get control over most of pharloom legally

[keen narwhal]

bro

[blissful harbor]

who says it was legally

[keen narwhal]

omg true

[near jasper]

Slab flies go to far fields thats skarr territory

[near jasper]

Legal control

[dire lynx]

it was illegal

[plain ruin]

The Citadel has access to Silk, that's pretty big

[keen narwhal]

i was about to say maybe the weavers travelled with gms and found some area and over time became stronger than the other nations and took them over but nope

[low oracle]

More like the silk accumulating to form rage from the endless torture the bugs endured. The haunting mostly has bugs following their given tasks and primal instincts, with an added aggression towards non-haunted bugs.
However being a headless beast isn't really a job or anything, so it definitely doesn't match the haunting.

Instead I theorize that it is the very silk that is enraged. Silk is Soul, which is the energy of most life. GMS is comprised almost entirely of silk, except for her bronze parts.
The theory is that enough silk came together to form a very simple form of life, one going by only raw emotions and instinct. As a result of the practices occuring within the Whiteward, pain, rage and hatred formed within the silken mass. The silken mass in question is the Unravelled. All the dreg husks are part of it, acting as a hivemind. The heart of the hivemind is the silk heart that came of all of this.

The rage also might have been related to GMS's anger, though I don't remember the silk heart dialogue. Anyways, it definitely is somewhat related to her too.

[keen narwhal]

they just be doing what they want

[plain ruin]

So no wonder they could subjugate the whole place

[dire lynx]

the citadel wiped out every opposing government

[plain ruin]

And Silk played a massive role in that

[keen narwhal]

wait gms is made of pure silk?

[dire lynx]

no

[low oracle]

I think it mostly refers to the failed attempt at immortality, by infusing silk (which is literal life energy) into bugs.

[keen narwhal]

oh ok

[blissful harbor]

yes?
i mean she has some weird metal parts but she’s still silk

[low oracle]

Almost, except for the bronze parts.

[keen narwhal]

ah ok

[near jasper]

How does the citadel have legal power on far fields which is skarr territory

[limpid summit]

But the conductors aren’t the ones serving

[keen narwhal]

ok wait are the silkflies pure silk?

[near jasper]

Yes

[limpid summit]

And the haunted surgeons aren’t serving either

[low oracle]

The Conductors weren't the only bugs infused with silk.

[keen narwhal]

hmm so i think my theory is right i just have to change it slightly

[limpid summit]

Yes but that wasn’t in an effort to make eternal helpers they already had robots for that

[plain ruin]

I shouldn't have said "haunting" there, my bad. A better word would've been puppeting. I agree with all of this though, there's a shitload of anguish lingering in these threads

[low oracle]

Surgeon is a job, so they definitely are. By definition.

[limpid summit]

The conductor silk experiments were to make themselves immortal

[limpid summit]

They definitely aren’t serving after they got injected with silk

[dire lynx]

ive discussed this extensively before, with all the oddities of binding, but i dont think gms is made of silk

her hair stuff certainly is, and she has a layer wrapped over herself

[low oracle]

Robots require each silkfly being put in individually, in addition to the fact that they aren't mass produced. Essentially they would take ages to accumulate enough, to the point that pilgrims, Judges and the Choir become pointless.

[dire lynx]

but she appears to have a shell underneath that

[blissful harbor]

wym, we see her dissolve into silk during the binding sequence

[blissful harbor]

what shell? the blsck part?
lace has that too and she is also pure silk

[dire lynx]

everything you bind turns into silk\

[keen narwhal]

The Silkflies were created through experimentation and were made with the goal of making beings who are like Lace and GMS but instead of making a completely new soul they used the souls of elderly pilgrims and the closest they could get to GMS and Lace is the Silkflies.

[dire lynx]

do you think the beastfly ancestor we bind is a pure silk being?

[keen narwhal]

thats my tehory

[blissful harbor]

Not really, it’s absorbed
GMS literally started to unravel during the bind animation, seen nowhere else in other binds

[blissful harbor]

not what i’m talking about

[low oracle]

I don't follow. They serve (as Surgeons). Other Bugs serve as guards. The silk they get infused with only strengthens them and increases their lifespan, while also making them vulnerable to haunting. Additionally the silk can easily outlive the body organically, where the body can no longer function due to age.

[keen narwhal]

no i think we bind what is left of its soul

[blissful harbor]

each bind unravels her more and more, unlinke other times when the creature stays perfectly intact until it’s completed and it vanishes

[limpid summit]

The silk they get infused with definitely does not do that lol

It makes them manic and crazed, with Ballador it made him reliant on silk and decrepit with Mizello he died

[dire lynx]

the entire body dissapears

[limpid summit]

I don’t know what you’re getting at

[plain ruin]

Silk absolutely extends a bug's lifespan

[limpid summit]

Not in a meaningful way

In a hollow sense sure

The silk siphon is visibly weaver tech

[low oracle]

As much as I respect your arguments, Weaver Queen ending literally gives us an animation of her fading into strings of silk. In that animation, her bronze part break off too.
Besides Lace being confirmed 100% pure silk, and also having dark and white colour. So the colour isn't a problem either.
Lastly, the abyss escape after LL proves my point once again.

[blissful harbor]

but yes, this is all silk
no shell in sight

[near jasper]

The black part stays pretty consistent

[dire lynx]

there is a corpse left behind in the abyss escape

[keen narwhal]

well thats interesting maybe it got burned away or something idk wait dont we bind the evil spider in bellheart or whatever the town is called? and dont they do the same thing maybe what is happening is hornet is kinda like the knight they can consume a entire beings soul and abalities but only if they are weak

[blissful harbor]

her face? her face is definitely silk

[blissful harbor]

and it doesn’t, it starts to unravel like phantoms on the side, compare the bottom left one to one of the ones where hornet is binding

[low oracle]

That is literally the entire point of all this silk being required.
If you need more evidence, we clearly see bugs being operated on WITHOUT the syphon. And what other operations were there? And what is the Unravelled then?

[near jasper]

The sides are covered by hair

[blissful harbor]

so youre arguing she always has that look? i’m pretty positive i can find a sprite that shows that side of her head and it looks smooth

[low oracle]

The thing that looks identical to a Wraith, which again, 100% made of silk.

[keen narwhal]

@dire lynx did you see my response

[near jasper]

If it was passed down to her child I dont see why it wouldnt look like that

[dire lynx]

yup, when she binds widow nothing is left behind there either

[blissful harbor]

phantom is unraveled, she looks like that because she doesn’t have enough silk

that’s the whole point

[low oracle]

(Supporting your comment)
Again, Lace is CONFIRMED 100% made of silk, and she has the black and white parts. Now connect the dots.

[keen narwhal]

yeah i think hornet has the same abalities as the knight to some form

[blissful harbor]

pretty sure hornet literally calls her frayed

[plain ruin]

Hornet doesn't absorb all of the Silk from GMS to enable her jump, just a massive amount of it. GMS is visibly damaged as Hornet begins to ascend, and gets blown away from the force of the jump. She's still there, but she's not long for this world

[near jasper]

Shes Rotting not unravelling

[blissful harbor]

what

[low oracle]

Unravelled may be misleading, more so frayed or frail.

[dire lynx]

why would she not take everything, that makes no sense

[blissful harbor]

same difference, she is fraying without silk

[plain ruin]

She doesn't need it all, she just needs enough to escape in a timely manner

[low oracle]

Silk can't really rot, she's just loosing it over time. Basically starving.

[plain ruin]

Or at least, she didn't think she needed it all

[dire lynx]

she literally only escapes because of the interference of the knight

[low oracle]

Weaver Queen ending, Hornet prolly also can't hold that much at once otherwise.

[near jasper]

Why would the shape stay the same on Phantom and gms if one is losing silk slowly and one is being ripped out from her body

[keen narwhal]

so i think hornet has the knights abalities but weaker and i also think if this is true either hornet is burning away the body to extract the soul orrrrrrrrrr the knight and hornet can consume solid forms not just souls but hornet cant control it like the knight

[plain ruin]

Addressed that in the second message

[blissful harbor]

they are both losing silk…

[low oracle]

That's a because of the flower, not the silk.

[plain ruin]

Also true

[dire lynx]

i dont think hornet is stupid enough to put things to chance like this

[plain ruin]

The cocoon is actively collapsing around them

She can't afford to stick around for longer than necessary

[near jasper]

What about the greyer silk that doesnt give soul in silkeater rooms

[edgy nebula]

topic?

[keen narwhal]

so what do we think? @dire lynx

[near jasper]

Is gms 100% silk and another thing

[dire lynx]

there was barely anything left of the body, it wouldnt take that long to absorb the rest if it was all silk

[low oracle]

Lace was given more silk by GMS, unlike Phantom. GMS either doesn't have to sustain herself (Weaver Queen she is bound, not absorbed into just silk, Sister of the Void she is severly weakened) likely HB stuff. She could also use soul to produce more, which isn't out of the question for a HB to do.

[plain ruin]

There was about half of a body left

[edgy nebula]

probably 100% silk yeah

[low oracle]

Dust? Silk that is actual silk and not soul spun to thread?

[blissful harbor]

i mean all that’s left is some strands, and they’re blown away
idk why hornet not just eating her then and there makes you think it’s not all silk

she got all the silk she could hold and dipped

anymore you have another weaver queen

[keen narwhal]

the other being is the beastfly ancestor we consume to gain the hunters creast

[low oracle]

The grey part of Phantom is just silk getting thinner. Black silk is the most dense, from there it gets lighter (whiter).

[keen narwhal]

i think i have a theory for it

[near jasper]

Why would there just be soulless silk producing bugs in the cradle

[dire lynx]

theres just about nothing left

[low oracle]

Soulless silk as in, silk you can find in real life.

[keen narwhal]

this is what i put as my theory

[near jasper]

Yes

[low oracle]

There's as much left of her as a wraith.

[plain ruin]

The lower part of her body is left, not very visible but it's there

[keen narwhal]

wait guys are wraiths silksflies who are basically close to pilgrim but this made them hostile?

[low oracle]

Nevermind, I misread the question. Idk, Ari Gibson just thought it looked cool I supposed. Why are there randomass corpses with Wyrm size, that are not Wyrms and comletely irrelevant?

[edgy nebula]

wraiths are extensions of phantom's will

[dire lynx]

the other issue aside from the binding stuff is just that shes never actually called a being of silk, every other example is very obviously or directly called out

[blissful harbor]

wraiths are projections of phantoms will

[plain ruin]

Also, GMS is the one holding the cocoon up. If Hornet absorbs the entirety of GMS, would she even be able to Silk Soar? Would she be willing to risk that?

[keen narwhal]

oh ok thank you

[dire lynx]

even in the journal shes only called the source of silk

[near jasper]

Why does phantom not want someone to come through the mists if she wants to die in battle?

[keen narwhal]

she wants to challenge them and only bring the best fighter

[keen narwhal]

in this case hornet

[plain ruin]

If they can't make it to her in the first place, they're not that strong

[keen narwhal]

what i said but smarter

[blissful harbor]

i tho k that’s kinda redundant honestly to have her called thst
i mean, use your eyes the game doesn’t need to spell out everything
Lace and Phantom are specifically children of her and at first glance aren’t really distinguishable as a being made of silk
GMS is a giant yarn ball with silk hair

[low oracle]

No?
They aren't specifid what the are, except for "the form of another":
-shape of Phantom
-no manipulation through needolin (unlike silkflies)
-needolin dialogue projects someones thoughts
-Located in the mist of the exhaust organ, which is likely used for filtering silk and waste, the silk being caught in Greymoor.

[near jasper]

What even is the point of the mists room in sinners road

[near jasper]

Its not there for any practical reason we can see

But workers went there

For some reason

[low oracle]

Read the message directly above yours.

[dire lynx]

lace and phantom are beings she made, no more her actual childeren than the architects are the childeren of the weavers

[keen narwhal]

thanks and bobbit already helped me fix what i said but thank you for the info

[dire lynx]

or eva

[low oracle]

They share the same matter, so they are at the very least organically related.

[blissful harbor]

well yes, but they’re still basically her children as much as she can have them

[near jasper]

Why would the roach caring bugs go there

[blissful harbor]

they are literally made out of her

not the same as making a machine

[plain ruin]

Got lost, probably

[dire lynx]

circular reasoning

[blissful harbor]

or a child made of spells and iron

[blissful harbor]

she is the source of silk

how is thst circular

it’s literally just logic

[plain ruin]

Might've been headed to Wendy's Lugoli's but took a wrong turn somewhere

[dire lynx]

shes made of silk because lace is her child, lace is her child because shes made of silk

[near jasper]

The bodies we see are 3 feet away from the exit

[plain ruin]

Have you revisited the Mist room after killing Phantom

[blissful harbor]

well yea if you dumb down an argument and ignore what i say it does sound stupid

[near jasper]

yeah?

[low oracle]

Because they got lost, since the Mist expanded throughout Sinner's Road. The most likely conclusion is that the rooms in the Mist still exist, we just don't travel them since they are in the background (useless). The bugs could have been there when the mist expanded or just gotten lost and not found their way out.

[plain ruin]

Room's pretty damn small

And it lies directly underneath the obstacles above

[low oracle]

Lace is made of silk because she fucking says so.

[plain ruin]

Whenever Hornet falls down into mist, she winds up at the start

[dire lynx]

the second she is in reference to gms

[blissful harbor]

she’s made of silk because we see she is made of silk

like idk what to tell you

[plain ruin]

Or if she takes too many wrong exits

[dire lynx]

until all the silk is unravelled in the abyss and we see her whole body is black underneath

[blissful harbor]

she’s soaked with void

[low oracle]

If they look the exact same, they may be the same. Besides the other evidence which you can't disprove in any way.

[blissful harbor]

and again, a black body means nothing

lace has a black body

[dire lynx]

then why is there still white thread on her body

[blissful harbor]

phantom has a black body

[blissful harbor]

it’s a little something called contrast, they serve as the “chains” holding her up

[plain ruin]

Everything that gets black-threaded becomes visibly blackened. A being made entirely of thread would turn black completely

[near jasper]

Why would they go to that obstacle course theres nothing outside the sewage facility at the top

[low oracle]

Black silk is just normal silk being very dense. Hence Phantom is grey (silk getting thinner) and the outer, thinner layers are white.

[blissful harbor]

“why do siblings have white eyes if they are all void”

[plain ruin]

They didn't intend to go to those hazards, they got lost

[blissful harbor]

contrast is an important character design

[dire lynx]

the white threads wrapped around her body, not the hair she is hanging from

[low oracle]

I second this, black body isn't always void, etc.

[near jasper]

Why is there even a room there which was open to sinners road bugs if its meant to be a dumping site

[low oracle]

Read my message

[blissful harbor]

once again, contrast
she is on an all black background

[low oracle]

Cause the citadel doesn't give a shit, frankly

[plain ruin]

Wrapping is for structure, perhaps

Lumbar support

[keen narwhal]

guys is GMS made of void and silk? or is that just black silk

[blissful harbor]

black silk

[keen narwhal]

ok thank you

[dire lynx]

who is saying shes void?

[near jasper]

Honestly my best theory is the sinners road bugs are just masochistic enough to just go to a random room, build an obstacle course and just keep doing it until they died

[keen narwhal]

no i just saw the black silk and thought it was weird and asked

[low oracle]

The actual answer:
Silk gets darker the more dense it is, hence the inner layers of these creatures is black, while the outer ones are white. Phantom is grey(ing) due to lacking silk and slowly fading away. Hence her silk is getting thinner continueesly.
@keen narwhal about the black silk.

[keen narwhal]

no other reason

[keen narwhal]

ngl that sounds right

[keen narwhal]

oh ok

thank you

[low oracle]

The "obstacles" are just traps for the Roaches and mites.

[near jasper]

Theres no roaches there

[keen narwhal]

becuase they dead

in the water

or some shi

[low oracle]

Not anymore.

Because the Mist isn't very habitable.

[keen narwhal]

also parkouring on spikes is so dumb no wonder all the roaches died

[near jasper]

Theres a roach keeper right at the entrance

[keen narwhal]

also the roaches in my opinion could have become great pets

if they wernt treated as only food

and let run wild

they are all just rabid dogs

[low oracle]

Yes, another reason why I'm correct. The Mist expanded over Sinner's Road (parts that we later don't see), therefore having traps of Sinner's Road all throughout.

[near jasper]

Theres not even Space to breed roaches in the mists room

[low oracle]

Aren't there empty cages as part of the structures?

[keen narwhal]

true but they have differnt areas we do the cages and such

see the cages*

[near jasper]

Why would you need more space for them in that room half the area is cages

[low oracle]

Reminds me of this. Though the Flintslate Bomber guy is missing.

[keen narwhal]

becuase they reproduce fast

[keen narwhal]

me is worst then larry

[low oracle]

They have to feed all of Greymoor and Sinner's Road btw.

[near jasper]

Theres roach farms going all the way into the middle of bilewater

[low oracle]

"The way into the middle of Bilewater"
This is where the Mist is located my guy.

[near jasper]

There was a different entrance to bilewater in there

[keen narwhal]

yeah they need water to raise the babies and then they catch them in bile water and probably keep them there or ship them to hells road or whats it called

what do we think bile water looked like before the citadel basically did what is happening to oceans

[low oracle]

We need Sea of Sorrow soon, why the fuck are we even in need of discussing how the Muckroaches are bred?

[keen narwhal]

ay they asked

yo bile water sea of sorrows i see a connection

bile water has a lot of sorrow

[keen vector]

and it’s a sea

[keen narwhal]

what would teh water in bile water taste like

[keen narwhal]

a see of bile water

truly disgusting

[blissful harbor]

bile

vomit

[tepid aurora]

Really bad

[near jasper]

Salty sewage

[low oracle]

By the way, thoughts on the Biology under the clothes, by an immaculate Reddit user I forgot the name of ?

Their question was:
"Why do the other Stilking look so different from Groal"
Including some theorizing regarding the relation between Stilking and the Pintress Order.

[keen vector]

pickle muckmaggot smoothie

[keen narwhal]

when i think bile i think stomach juices

[near jasper]

With a hint of dead maggot

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[keen vector]

alive, no?

[low oracle]

Worse, alive maggot.

[near jasper]

Both

[keen narwhal]

good god

[low oracle]

An entire one too

[keen narwhal]

yooooooooooo

[blissful harbor]

thst is indeed what it is

[keen narwhal]

it is the cat

hello

[low oracle]

Anyways, thoughts? @near jasper

[keen narwhal]

indeed

[tepid aurora]

Yeah its me

[near jasper]

We need more enemies to discuss the taste off

[near jasper]

Release sos

[tepid aurora]

Karakpeople

[keen narwhal]

i mean he most likely is the leader an dthats why he is bigger he eats a ton more

[near jasper]

Light crustnut taste

[low oracle]

He ate a Vengefull spirit.

[keen narwhal]

so yeah thats how he got big

booom

thats why he is differnt

[blissful harbor]

we know soul bloats, so makes sense

[keen narwhal]

he has clothing to show he is the leader of sorts

yep

[near jasper]

Except for silkeaters

[keen narwhal]

my theory is right hip hip hooray

[blissful harbor]

they are bloated

[low oracle]

Well it only bloats if used incorrectly or by common beings.

[blissful harbor]

have you seen them

[near jasper]

Theyre grub shaped

[blissful harbor]

grubs are bloated shaped

very rotund

[keen narwhal]

well i think tehy are bloated

[low oracle]

Silk has slightly different properties.

[keen narwhal]

they are maggots all they do is eat

wait what does a adult silk eater look like?

[near jasper]

Idk

[low oracle]

I kinda want to send something cursed now.

[keen narwhal]

that would look cool

[blissful harbor]

no one knows

[keen narwhal]

or terrifying

[tepid aurora]

Maybe they are adults

[keen narwhal]

im think a giant fly

[blissful harbor]

they’re called grubs iirc

[keen narwhal]

maybe but if they arnt im thinking they look like giant flies

[tepid aurora]

Isn’t there adult grubs?

[blissful harbor]

grub by definition is a larval stage

[keen narwhal]

and like they are bloated

[near jasper]

Grub by definition isnt an adult

[keen narwhal]

yes

[tepid aurora]

Oh, ok

[keen narwhal]

so they could grow into a giant bloated fly who spits silk

[low oracle]

Don't exist? Biology goes by name, not by logic. grub->Grubberfly, Maggot->nothing, Muckmaggot-> Muckroach, Silkeater->nothing, nothing->Moth, etc.
@near jasper

[tepid aurora]

Their adult form have to be silkrelated tho

[keen narwhal]

true

[low oracle]

Team Cherry don't give a shit though.

[keen narwhal]

yeah biology isnt a concern in hollow knight

[near jasper]

Gms is the pale version of a silkeater Queen thats full grown

[edgy nebula]

team cherry dont give a damn about bug biology we should know this when they gave roaches bones

[keen narwhal]

but still this is a theory

[keen narwhal]

yep

[blissful harbor]

i mean, they haven’t been wrong with the other grubs
they were also larvae, no reason to think otherwise

[tepid aurora]

Roach lore is really cool though

Like theres atleast 4 entries related to them

[low oracle]

Great misinformation for the new players to be honest.

[near jasper]

And gemini

[keen narwhal]

but yeah i think they grow into giant flies who are bloated and cant fly and spit silk

[limpid summit]

Noot noot

[blissful harbor]

gurr in HK???

[keen narwhal]

what is that misinformation

mr information is so sad guys

[blissful harbor]

damn bro finding secrets alk these years later

[tepid aurora]

Nectar (alcohole)

[low oracle]

Let's be real, they don't do anything until Hornet decides to have a snack.

[tepid aurora]

Mate

[keen narwhal]

tre

[near jasper]

Do we think the silkeaters and maggots cone from the same ancestor

[keen narwhal]

yeah

they are maggots i guess

[tepid aurora]

No

[keen narwhal]

or grubs

well

actually no

[tepid aurora]

They are not simular att all

[keen narwhal]

they are entirelyy differnt species

[low oracle]

Maggots are these guys

[keen narwhal]

yeah but this happens in evolution

[near jasper]

Muckmaggots

[near jasper]

Yk what I meant

[tepid aurora]

Muchroaches depend on quantity and silkeaters depend on quality by small amounts of spawn

[keen narwhal]

in evolution sometimes things evolve from the same ancestor and look entirely differnt

but again is hollow knight

and team cherry

they dont give a damn

[near jasper]

Small amounts of Spawns doesnt really make sense if they have queens, no?

[tepid aurora]

Wonder how muchroaches looked pre citadel

[tepid aurora]

Do they?

[low oracle]

Yeah. Anyways, the answer is no. If you want to know biology in HK, design is more telling than name.

I am convinced Xero and Garro are Karak, and that the Fury of the Fallen came from Revek.

[near jasper]

Yes

[edgy nebula]

probably the same

[near jasper]

Queens egg delivery

[keen narwhal]

they would look more clean in my opinion becuase there is less slop and bile

[edgy nebula]

except for the bloated muckroaches in bilewater

[tepid aurora]

Yeah, forgot about that one

[keen narwhal]

they would probably be more calm as well

[low oracle]

Probably non-existent, since they are an invasive species caused by pollution.

[keen narwhal]

ah yeah

[near jasper]

Bellveins are the weirdest thing in Silksong

[tepid aurora]

But they had to evolve from something

[keen narwhal]

i think a regular roach

[tepid aurora]

Wasn’t bells made to lure pilgrims to the citadel

[keen narwhal]

and maybe they are like rabbits they reproduce at fast rates to survive the bile

[near jasper]

Bellways werent allowed for pilgrims

[keen narwhal]

and now they over populate in sinners road

[tepid aurora]

I meant the actual bellveins

[near jasper]

I dont know why youd need literally tens of millions of bells to lure pilgrims then

[tepid aurora]

Cant make sense of that too

[keen narwhal]

maybe bells are part of the religion?

[tepid aurora]

But seems most resonable of a explanation

[keen narwhal]

yeah they are used to show protection and safety actually

[tepid aurora]

Ig, deep docks uses them to ward off heay

[keen narwhal]

the bell in the citidal where we meet that snail dude thats a safety place

[tepid aurora]

*heat

[near jasper]

Greediness is one of the most defining traits of the citadel why did they spend millions in making bells to throw into holes

[keen narwhal]

thatt to but they shaped it that way for religious reasons as well

[near jasper]

Also what were the bellveins before the bells

[keen narwhal]

look at what i said

[near jasper]

Was half of pharloom empty tunnels

[keen narwhal]

the bells are originally used to symbolize protection and safety

[gloomy void]

Ok so, I need an explanation, are all the HK endings cannon? Or silksong happen after some specifics? Cause the Hollow Knight (The vessel) "survived" in some endings but never appears again

[keen narwhal]

i dont think so look at the bell beasts

[low oracle]

They follow different stages of life, so they probably looked like the Muckmaggots and Muckroaches do. Their habitat would be exculsively Bilewater and they'd be far less aggressive, due to not lacking food and being part of a sustainable ecosystem. They might've even tasted quite good, considering they wouldn't be polluted bags of scum.
Their colour would have possibly changed to fit the environment, more green and overall darker.

Since they do come from pollution, they might've been from somewhere else completely. The water goes through the High Halls, Underworks, and much more, so there isn't quite a limit to the possibility of origin.

[near jasper]

Why make tens of millions to throw into pits

[tepid aurora]

Nothing about the bellveins make sense when you think about it

[near jasper]

Not all of them are canon to Silksong

[keen narwhal]

to maybe ward off the giant worm who eats the bell beasts?

[low oracle]

The Bellveins were dug for the Citadel Bugs to use, being filled with bells so to passively produce sound.

[tepid aurora]

Makes sense

[tepid aurora]

To lure pilgrims?

[near jasper]

Why did they care about bellbeasts

Theyre just random bugs

[low oracle]

The sounds are just another way of pissing off GMS with song.

[near jasper]

How is an animal running through thousands of bells while a person is on top of them safer than ventricas

[gloomy void]

Makes sense, I only wish the Vessel to appear on the next DLCs, he deserves some happiness

[tepid aurora]

Seems kind of a stretch but sure

[near jasper]

Theyll be killed in a fakeout in the pantheon dlc with beastfly to make people mad 👍

[low oracle]

Maybe:
The Bell Beasts migrated after the haunting, when the Bellways were devoid of the citadel bugs that once passed through.
The Belleater is just a random giant that got its name from eating bells to dig through the ground.

[tepid aurora]

Also doesn’t make sense how the bellbeasts animation shows a hollow cave of bells

[near jasper]

How did the citadel bugs pass through

[low oracle]

Bells being used to make sounds (song) are confirmed to be a part of keeping GMS asleep. Hence the Citadel of Song.

[tepid aurora]

But how does the song reach GMS

[near jasper]

Its thousands of pounds of metal on you

[gloomy void]

Oh jesus lord please I'm begging him to appear and, I don't know, farm some aura and live peaceful

[tepid aurora]

That the thing i can’t wrap my head around

[low oracle]

They walked. According to Sherma carrying golden carriages, basically meaning they used the veins to carry cages to the citadel.

[keen narwhal]

the bell beasts helped with transportation we only fought the bell beast to comfort it in canon our attacks on the bell beats are the equivalent of petting a animal we did that to help the bell beasts do transportation better and to keep the giant worm who eats bell beasts away

thats my theory

[near jasper]

Walking throughs millions of shaky metal bells cannot be safer than ventricas

[keen narwhal]

i mean the bell beasts know how to manuever through it so its more ffeicent

[tepid aurora]

Remember that ventricas got people killed too

[keen narwhal]

and the citadel doesnt give a flying f about safety

[keen narwhal]

yep

they care about effecientcy

and power not safety

[near jasper]

I dont see how a single person could survive a bellway

Including hornet

[tepid aurora]

They acually care about not killing their limited stock of servants

[keen narwhal]

its only becuase of the bell beast they can do that

[keen narwhal]

yes but the bells dont kill as much as what ever the other option was called

[near jasper]

how

[keen narwhal]

and live

[low oracle]

Imma go now, bye!

[near jasper]

Bai

[keen narwhal]

becuase the bell beast know the safest ways around the bell ways

byeeeeeeeeeeee see you later

[tepid aurora]

bye

[keen narwhal]

so yeah

thats what i think

any objecctions?

[near jasper]

Why are there even bellways the tunnels were already there build elevators with that money

[tepid aurora]

actually I wouldve felt safer on top of a bellbeast than it those ventricas

[keen narwhal]

yes what i said

[tepid aurora]

what i personally feel too

[keen narwhal]

they bell beast has the most efficient ways to move around the bells and safest it doesnt want to die either

[tepid aurora]

but just maybe they could've had some inprovements with like saddle or something

[keen narwhal]

the bells beast are saftey as i have said and more effieceint and also think about the bell beast eatting worm it will destroy that area

[tepid aurora]

just to make it a bit more comfortable

[keen narwhal]

yes but i also think the bell beast we find is a wild one

so it doesnt have a saddle

[near jasper]

Ngl bell eater is really weird

[keen narwhal]

it is and it should die for touching the puppies

[tepid aurora]

have never reconsiderd that before

[keen narwhal]

should we make all the bell eaters go extinct

[near jasper]

Like theres an australian sized centipede in the road so we hope it doesnt wake up and our gps doesnt send us into it

[tepid aurora]

seem kinda useless to everyone

[keen narwhal]

sigh true

[keen narwhal]

ay ngl that would be terrible

[near jasper]

The bell eater just chilled asleep while an animal was digging out tunnels around his body and going through them multiple times

But they notice hornet instantly in act 3

[tepid aurora]

well gotta go now, nice lore session everyone

[near jasper]

In every bellway station

In the whole kingdom

[keen narwhal]

they noticed the bell beasts and we went in the bell eaters path

and boom free snack

while i get my meal

[near jasper]

The bell eater constrained the bell beast from rising to every single bellway in the kingdom

[gloomy void]

Please team cherry, bring the Hollow Knight/Vessel as a partner in a future DLC and make him move to Stardew valley and become a farmer in peace

[near jasper]

How fucking big is it

[keen narwhal]

yeah they were circling them kinda like a wolf

[keen narwhal]

huge

like atleast i would 7 bell beasts long?

[near jasper]

Bell eater is like 20 wyrms long

[keen narwhal]

yeah

they big

and they have claws to tear through bell beast armor as well the perfect hunter

they are long enough to circle and corner a bell beast and strong enough to get to the insides

truly a disgusting vile creature

[near jasper]

Its implied they can hear you try to call Bell beast from across all of pharloom

[keen narwhal]

maybe they have sensitive ears?

[near jasper]

They live in bells

[keen narwhal]

or maybe the bell beast is trying to run to your voice for safety

[keen narwhal]

true new theory

maybe the bell beast is running to you and the bell eater goes to that area as well

and hears your voice

and boom

[near jasper]

It cannot be that quick

[keen narwhal]

bro have you seen bell beast

[near jasper]

Yes she has tunnels through there

[keen narwhal]

why woudnt the bell eater be as fast or even faster?

and the bell eater can use them as well

[near jasper]

Bell eater is just sprinting

[keen narwhal]

the bell eater is just following bell beast through the tunnels bell beast has made

and then bell beast wants you to save them and they cant escape

becuase bell eater cut them off

[near jasper]

Also there is an extremely concerning implication in their needolin

We must... feed...

[keen narwhal]

who the bell eater?

[near jasper]

Yea

[keen narwhal]

if they say that then that means they must eat obv they are hungry as hell

[near jasper]

We means either theyre pregnant or caring for more bell eaters

[keen narwhal]

but wait the we

oh true

either that or they talk in we

i mean french

also if the bell eater is pregnant imagine how fast and strong is a bell eater who isnt

[near jasper]

Exactly

[keen narwhal]

oh and also iven if they arnt preganant they would most likely hold back to not get killed

also i think if we tamed the bell eater as well we would have a bus or like a train and bell beasts would be more like a car in the hollow knight universe which would be interesting

[loud spade]

is pharloom older than hallownest

[keen narwhal]

welll yes

becuase the spiders already became sentient

before hallownest

so yeah

the spiders made pharloom and then left pharloom after GMS was exploiting them

[loud spade]

is there any chance that herrah could be atla?

[keen narwhal]

sorry could say what atla is

oh that giant pod thing

no

[craggy smelt]

First Sinner is most likely Atla

[keen narwhal]

atla is a being who was made like lace

[craggy smelt]

you're thinking of Eva

[loud spade]

that's eva

[craggy smelt]

she just happens to be in Weavenest Atla

[keen narwhal]

eva

[keen narwhal]

yeah that proves my points that place was made to keep eva safe

so no she would most likely be in the giant city above

[onyx jolt]

me

[loud spade]

no i think that they just locked them there because they were too fragile

[keen narwhal]

yo whats up cloride

[onyx jolt]

hi shade

of the light

[keen narwhal]

yes and so no one else was in there to keep eva safe to

[plain ruin]

Weavenest Atla was made as a place to create tools and shit to overthrow GMS once and for all

[keen narwhal]

so more evedencce

[keen narwhal]

yes and it didnt work

[plain ruin]

Eva was made in that process, then sealed away because she was deemed a failure by the Weavers

[keen narwhal]

and eva was ealed there to be protected

[keen narwhal]

yep

[loud spade]

ohh yeah

the weavers tried to do a being at the same level as lace

but they failed and got ashamed of it

that's why she's so well hidden

[keen narwhal]

so thank you frito this helps prove how herrah isnt from atla but may have helped in atla

[keen narwhal]

yep

its kinda sad ngl

but it was best for eva

[loud spade]

better than being dead tho :/

[keen narwhal]

yep

so i hope that answered the question

[wet walrus]

So these are all contents in bug world. I hope I don't get them wrong
Soul: Essential matter for all living beings.
Essence: As name suggests it is the essence of the metaphysical/ideal forms.
Light: Power that opposes the void. Mostly serves same role as light.
Void: A sentient substance with a mind of its own. Embodiment destruction.

[loud spade]

i think you should send these in the hk lore

[onyx jolt]

isnt eva just pure soul

[loud spade]

pure silk

[onyx jolt]

oh

[keen narwhal]

yeah pure silk

[wet walrus]

Doesn't matter really

[onyx jolt]

how does she talk

[keen narwhal]

basically just solid soul

[keen narwhal]

echo

magic

[wet walrus]

What is pure soul?

[keen narwhal]

idk

[wet walrus]

I keep hearing it

[keen narwhal]

soul

just soul

the essence you get from attacking a enemy

and the silk you get from attacking a enemy

[foggy stratus]

Life force.

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[onyx jolt]

how do you guys think sandsea wastes would look

[keen narwhal]

whats that?

[onyx jolt]

a part of the wastes

[keen narwhal]

is that the area that leads out of pharloom

[foggy stratus]

A sea of sand.

[onyx jolt]

yeah its said that a weaver was captured from there

[keen narwhal]

ok

[foggy stratus]

I fucking hate sand. Its course, rough, irritating and gets everywhere.

[onyx jolt]

i need it cuz im making a mod that adds it and steel city

[keen narwhal]

well just sand and maybe corpeses

[foggy stratus]

Weaver descendant*

[onyx jolt]

oh

[foggy stratus]

Either in one eight or one fourth part.

[loud spade]

is sea of sorrow going to focus on the pharloom bay?

[keen narwhal]

yeah i think it would be a giant desert full of corpses here and there

[keen narwhal]

maybe

it does have some corralation

im thinking the sea of sorrow is like the pantheon

we can go into the past possibly

[loud spade]

it wouldn't make sense imo

[onyx jolt]

i think pharloom bay is just the start of sea of sorrow then you go through a water area and finally a boss at lifeblood spire

[loud spade]

they should probably add all bosses first (dlc)

[keen narwhal]

yeah maybe in another dlc

[loud spade]

and just then make a godmaster-like dlc

[onyx jolt]

godmaster dlc would be the last one

[loud spade]

yeah

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[onyx jolt]

i feel like you would find the godseeker either on the surface or in the pale lake

[loud spade]

silkmaster ia ia a yeye yeye

[loud spade]

talking about the godseeker

[onyx jolt]

but you would need elegy to get into its dream

[loud spade]

the beggining part of the nameless town

[onyx jolt]

so act 3 only

yeah its the same place as the godseekers dream

[loud spade]

is like exactly equal to the secret area when using dream nail on the godseeker

like not exactly

[keen narwhal]

hm ok

this sounds pretty good

[loud spade]

but it maybe proves that godseeker came from pharloom or from another kingdom and then rested at pharloon

pharloom*

because it talks about coming from far far away

[foggy stratus]

Land of Storms.

[keen narwhal]

yeah god seeker is a nomad religion

becuase their god died

[onyx jolt]

its probably pre haunting as she doesnt detect gms

[foggy stratus]

Gods*

[loud spade]

and they seek a new one to sintonize with

wow

[keen narwhal]

and they try to find new gods to worship

[loud spade]

🤯

[keen narwhal]

yes i think they were 2 centepedes

[keen narwhal]

yep

thats why they are called the god seekers

[loud spade]

why the hell would gruz mother be a god 💔 🥀

[keen narwhal]

they must find a new god

[onyx jolt]

werent they the gods of thunder or something

[foggy stratus]

God to them isn't what God means to us.

[loud spade]

i think not

[loud spade]

it's a joke

[keen narwhal]

well i think she is a god of birth

and fertility

[loud spade]

yeah makes sense

but then the brooding mother would be equal

[keen narwhal]

so they would worship her

yeah true

[frosty gate]

Godsimper talk? What's the topic?

[keen narwhal]

i think there canbe more than one god of a aspect

[keen narwhal]

something about dlc

and possible godseeker dlc

ideas

for sk

[foggy stratus]

-# especially when they aren't actual Higher Beings

[keen narwhal]

yes

[loud spade]

sIlKsEeKeR

[keen narwhal]

they dont really count as higher beings

[keen narwhal]

holy cow

you thats a fire title

[loud spade]

MOTHERSEEKER

[keen narwhal]

oh god

[loud spade]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[keen narwhal]

sorry hornet im seeking out your mother

[onyx jolt]

do you think sandsea waste would just be a orange version of this

[frosty gate]

I really don't want another Godseeker honestly

[keen narwhal]

yeah

but corpses

ad stuff

[keen narwhal]

yeah but in my opinion its great i can fight my favorite bosses ove rand over

i dont want to make a new save file to fight a boss

[foggy stratus]

RadHoG...

[keen narwhal]

who dat

[foggy stratus]

Radiant Hall of Gods.

[mystic quarry]

oh ye that would be pain in silksong

[frosty gate]

I don't mean that

I don't mind a Boss Rush DLC

I just don't want the Godseekers back

[onyx jolt]

i think instead of ascended and radiant there would be voided and silken (silken being radiant)

[keen narwhal]

oh well no gods seekers can work

i have a theory with the sea of sorrows making us go back in time

maybe

[keen narwhal]

peak

bput some corpses and it will be just right

[onyx jolt]

its ai :/ just used it for reference ill make the sprites now

[mystic quarry]

but i think it wont be the godseeker cause the godseeker already was in pharloom

[keen narwhal]

aw man

[foggy stratus]

[mystic quarry]

in the tuner memory

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[onyx jolt]

you might just use elegy on every bosses dead body

to fight it

[wet walrus]

Bro do weavers have beautiful voices by bug standarts?
Its just "BLAAAAUUGHHH"

[keen narwhal]

oh true

[keen narwhal]

true i think that would be cool

[foggy stratus]

I think it's just the Pharloom accent. Hornet has a nice voice.

[onyx jolt]

sherma who is a normal pilgrim can sing way better, and karmelita and shakra are really good at singing

[keen narwhal]

imagine if we stab into its body and play a elegy on it

[keen narwhal]

yeah actually true

[onyx jolt]

what we did to gms

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[onyx jolt]

i think its a weaver accent

[keen narwhal]

that is what i took inspo from

[keen narwhal]

yep probably a accent

[foggy stratus]

Instead of Elagy of the Deep it should be Crescendo of the Fallen.

[wet walrus]

How do they even put gms to sleep with that voice 😭
If this was my alarm I would make sure to wake up before it

[keen narwhal]

i mean everyone their except for sherma has that kinda voice

[onyx jolt]

cuz nobody is really from pharloom everyone is a bug from a different place that just happened to become pharloom

[keen narwhal]

maybe sherma isnt native to pharloom

[onyx jolt]

the choir did that

[keen narwhal]

guysssssssss

[onyx jolt]

and the choir actually can sing decently

[onyx jolt]

i assume most pilgrims arent

[keen narwhal]

what if sherma isnt from pharloom and thats why he doesnt have a voice like evryone else either that orrrrrrrrrrr sherma was tuaght by somebody who is from the choir

[onyx jolt]

wait are the only people actually native to pharloom the weavers because "pharloom" is basically just a construct of a bunch of tribes

[keen narwhal]

and thats why he sounds so good when singing compared to what we usually hear

[onyx jolt]

sherma just has aura trust

[keen narwhal]

bro sherma llike zote

he is the zote of this universe

but a child

[wet walrus]

I guess hallownest is no different in that regard. Some of the regions there don't even recognise PK's authority to begin with.

[loud spade]

im back

[foggy stratus]

Kingdom*

[keen narwhal]

hola

oop kingdom

im dumb sorry

[loud spade]

imagine having a sherma boss equal to lvl 10 zote

[foggy stratus]

They likely recognize his authority over his Kingdom's, but they don't view him as their ruler.

[keen narwhal]

bro sherma is the zote of pharloom prove me wrong

[onyx jolt]

meh because the pale king basically created everything that other tribes didnt own (forgotten crossroads, city of tears) and he never forced any tribe to actually join him

[onyx jolt]

zote doesnt get scared doesnt have eyes and has a life ender

[keen narwhal]

bro that would go crazy but also sherma is against that he doesnt fight he just sings to everything dangerous

[frosty gate]

Except Queen's Garden

[keen narwhal]

oh true but he does have the ablaities of zote he just hasnt learned yet

[loud spade]

how did gms not get corrupted by the void

but lace did

[frosty gate]

Soul Amount

[foggy stratus]

She glows.

[keen narwhal]

i think the void was instead feeding on her soul body

[wet walrus]

I still don't know what is WL's purpose as a hb to begin with

[keen narwhal]

that stuff too

[onyx jolt]

i assume that was part of greenpath that unn gave to the pale king, and the infected mantises went there after it was established

[frosty gate]

Let's not talk about WL before I wanna burn her existance

[keen narwhal]

also how crazy would a zote and sherma band be

[frosty gate]

No, Greenpath gave nothing to the King

[wet walrus]

Something something everbloom

[onyx jolt]

prove it

[frosty gate]

Fucking

!wiki Greenpath

[wet walrus]

Nah It wasn't

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Greenpath

Hollow Knight Wiki

Greenpath

Greenpath is an area west of the Forgotten Crossroads with lush vegetation, guarded by a species of leafy bug. Pools of burning acid and thick overgrowth make navigation difficult.

Connection

Fog Canyon
Forgotten Crossroads
Howling Cliffs
Queen's Gardens

​

Music

Ambience

Ambience 1 - Greenpath (Atmos Loop)
Ambience 2 - (Cave Noises)

Main

Bass - (Bass)
Main + Bass - Greenpath OST

Action

Action - (Action)
Main + Action - Greenpath (Action)

[keen narwhal]

wow thank you robot

[frosty gate]

"Those who stray from the White King's roads shall face the law of Unn."

[keen narwhal]

what is the law of unn?

[frosty gate]

They allowed him to build roads among them as a sightseeing trip

[frosty gate]

Death

[wet walrus]

Though once our lands, a pale being lays claim to the caverns ahead.
It may appear benevolent but it does not share our dream.
Be wary to wander that place.

[keen narwhal]

ah i see

[onyx jolt]

no insulting unn here

[wet walrus]

Wl basically annexed that part for her isolation

[onyx jolt]

she is the goat

[frosty gate]

Unn allowed PK because, I mean, He didn't do anything wrong

[keen narwhal]

WL is the goat

[foggy stratus]

That's one of two interpretations.

[frosty gate]

He just wanted to build a road so people would see the beauty of the caves

[wet walrus]

There is another?

[foggy stratus]

The land that would become Queens Gardens got lost to the Mosskin, then after that White Lady set up shop once it was abandoned.

[wet walrus]

How does that even work

[frosty gate]

Queen's Gardens and Fog Canyon break the rules, but Unn also didn't want to be against the Pales

[foggy stratus]

Unn just lost connection to that area.

[keen narwhal]

hold on

what are we talking about?

[onyx jolt]

reririoerieroieiorieroieroerioerie yum om om om

[frosty gate]

So no, Unn and the Mosskin didn't give anything to the Pale beings

[keen narwhal]

...

[keen narwhal]

do you know what they are talking about?

[onyx jolt]

we know for a fact she gives us shape of unn

[onyx jolt]

i think i said something about unn

[foggy stratus]

-# except for permission to build a road through Greenpath.

[wet walrus]

I doubt that's possible. godseekers literally admire her ability to "grow so large". So the dream he shares with the mosskin is far larger than the godhome.

[frosty gate]

Ok, let me correct. Nothing to PK and White Lady

[onyx jolt]

prove it

[foggy stratus]

She's physically large. The Godseekers have a weird thing for size.

[frosty gate]

I just did????????????????

[onyx jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-toilet-sigma-joker-say-on-skibidi-on-skibidi-gif-15309763248122154688

[wet walrus]

I mean dumb seeker is also fairly large though he chooses to "observe fights" kilometres away

For some reason

[foggy stratus]

As I said, they have a weird thing for being absolutely fucking huge, like Unn.

[keen narwhal]

sigh

[twilit storm]

I think that Sherma actually wiped the floor with last judge instead of it letting him pass because he’s pure as heck

[wet walrus]

Does it happen before (besides massive moss charger)

[foggy stratus]

What happen?

[wet walrus]

Pure Vessel had to walk so Pure Sherma could run

[wet walrus]

Obsession with huge stuff

[keen narwhal]

this is canon dont say i think when its true

[twilit storm]

Exactly 🥲

Sorry about that

[keen narwhal]

its cool

whow ould you or zote

who would win

i cant type

[foggy stratus]

Their first bit of conscious dialogue.

In the real world.

[random harbor]

Godseeker - Junk Pit - Two Pantheons complete

Creeper. Did thee wake Us?
Revived, this kingdom. These Gods, tuned and bested, gleaming in mind. Bright. Sharp.
...And this? Our form swells? Large? Nay. Immense. Majestic. Hibernation, so long forced upon Us, yet the shell that results is strong... So strong!
Thine gaze is adoring. Ye must think Us Godly. Amusing, foolish. But thou art faced with enormity and beauty, true...

@lexmolten used /npcs quest name: Godseeker category: Junk Pit dialogue: Two Pantheons complete

[wet walrus]

I think leg eater can mog zote

[keen narwhal]

impossible

[foggy stratus]

Zote has legs, does he not?

[keen narwhal]

yes but they are made of pure soul

[foggy stratus]

Unstoppable force meets immovable object type shit.

[keen narwhal]

lol

bro zote is so pale we cant comprehend it

[twilit storm]

Sherma could beat anyone with bells on them

[keen narwhal]

true the thing is with zote you would both equalize eachother and do no damage to eachother

[wet walrus]

I love how much dung seeker shoos the knight for not being "godly" when one of the pantheons literally have a false god

"False god conjured by the lonely"

[keen narwhal]

sigh

[foggy stratus]

We're short so they think lowly of us. Plus we did kinda break in.

[twilit storm]

That’s true

[wet walrus]

Shermas songs would do more damage than zotes life ender probably

[twilit storm]

Why thank you

[keen narwhal]

incorrect they cancel eachother out

it only affects other beings who arnt zote and sherma

[keen narwhal]

sherma could you stop the radiance?

[near jasper]

Whats the topic rn

[wet walrus]

Sherma singed to make the gate open and it did
She singed to free the bell beast and it was freed
Hornet is a half hb and is a god by godseeker standarts so it is indeed divine intervention

[foggy stratus]

Sherma glaze, I belive.

[keen narwhal]

broooooooo sherma is here get a autographhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[near jasper]

Waow

[twilit storm]

I could potentially drown out the noise of the infection with my magic bell powers

[keen narwhal]

but would you do better than pale king in stopping the radiance?

[wet walrus]

She still tuned a false god I am crane rn 😭

[twilit storm]

I believe that if the pale king had more bells he could’ve stopped the infection

Not enough bells in hallownest

[keen narwhal]

we will write this down

[near jasper]

Sherma can I have a rosary to play catch with the void

[wet walrus]

The Radiance dies completely succumbing to Sherma's ragebait thus saving the hollow knight

[twilit storm]

You may

[near jasper]

Yay

[keen narwhal]

sherma could you calm the void to not destroy pharloom?

[twilit storm]

If I was there when it ||grabbed mother silk|| then yes

Don’t wanna spoil stuff for other people

[near jasper]

Sherma's singing could put gms to sleep in the void from the surface

[keen narwhal]

true

[whole holly]

do you guys think silksong will get Act 4 or post-act 3 content?

[near jasper]

No

[keen narwhal]

nikaaaaaaaaaaaaaa sherma is here to give autographssssssssss

well i think

it might