sk-lore

[trail wagon]

It's insane to just forget about that

[limpid summit]

You could either extrapolate some of her silk dialogue to also include weavers, or you could think about the fact that weavers moved her corpse into the slab after she was entombed so she might not even have had a great awareness of their antagonism

Before she died

The lie is the most important part maybe TC thought it would be confusing to tackle both in NDD

[trail wagon]

Honestly I'm not sure it makes sense for that to be the case, like yeah, the main focus is the GMS, but if it happened to me, I would probably be more indignant by the fact that my closest family members/people I used to trust betrayed me so badly. You would expect that from a dictator, but not from the people you cherish

[limpid summit]

Especially stuff out of order

[trail wagon]

I just don't see how. She is constatly talking about US and OUR rage, not MY

[trail wagon]

So she just died and they moved her?

[limpid summit]

During her fight she gets personal

[trail wagon]

Or they killed her in a sleep or something like that?

[limpid summit]

Pre dialogue she probably talking about racial hatred in general

[limpid summit]

Well yeah that’s what happened she wasn’t shut in the slab to die

[trail wagon]

Yeah, I see that, but I think it would still be too big of a thing to just ignore, besides, the narrative is confusing either way lol

[limpid summit]

But it’s probably less anti climatic than that

If my sibling and I shut out your estranged mother and later found out she had lied to us and we were adopted, I would still be more mad at her than my sibling who would have tried to cover it up

The point of the boss fight at large narratively is to show that GMS perpetuated a great lie and the Weavers were artificial and not her biological kids

[trail wagon]

Where can I find the text on her cage?

[limpid summit]

Wdym

The flavor text?

[trail wagon]

huh?

[limpid summit]

What text

[trail wagon]

I mean the text on the cage

[limpid summit]

Narratively it’s not about infighting within the weavers so that aspect is ignored overtly but covertly you can still extrapolate it without much straining

If you get what I mean

[trail wagon]

Yeah, I see that

I would except there to be more evidence of that still

I mean we have other writings in the Cradle written in a somewhat similar style to these talking about the Weavers who were caught, evidently by the GMS

[limpid summit]

It’s the imprisonment order

Penitent, First of the First. Guilty of the sin of apostasy. Penance by constriction. Absolution denied.

[limpid summit]

That makes sense

Choral commandments were likely sent out by haunted conductors to haunted chambers

No reason for conductors to change up the style of writing for slab commandments

[twin dragon]

I don't think thats the case no?

Why would they take action long after she did what she did, when she was entombed

It might make sense if first sinner spew that during the earlier weaver time period, but then they realized what she was initially saying was harmful to the citadel regime

but i think that's stretching it a bit

plus, the burial spire is less decorated and more so made crudely out of stone

Man, a line of dialogue could go a long way 3

[near jasper]

How does the dialogue from weaver spires work

Theres no text there we didnt take the soul yet

It just appears

[wet walrus]

What is the wisdom behind Sly chasing geo in a place where civilization is destroyed thinking it is a source of power?

[low oracle]

Hallownest is not entirely dead. We just don't see how grand the population actually is. While Dirtmouth (for us) only consists of Elderbug, Map couple, and Sly (+some optional characters), there are many more houses in the background. For example, how do you think they eat? Logically there would have to be someone with food to sell. We likely don't see them since they are irrelevant to us in the story.

Of course all of this is based on assumptions, but it is the most logical conclusion that can be taken. Having lots of geo is definitely good if you want to buy (possibly limited) food.

[terse warren]

Chances are the Weavers are more mummified than dead

The same way some corpses can be Dream Nailed in game 1

[low oracle]

Mummification also means death normally. Especially since it is a process of keeping the body dry, hence the organs and other parts have to be removed.

[terse warren]

Yes but I think you can infer what I meant in this specific context

[low oracle]

I'm pretty sure they're just dead, haven been given burial sites that were left untouched, despite the changes Pharloom has gone through.
Even the one in the Underworks wasn't removed so to make space for machinery.

[low oracle]

I genuinly don't understand what this person means, regarding context.

[wet walrus]

Yeah they can spend them for their material desires like colesseum of fools and thats it. I don't why would Sly find strength in them as there isn't an active power dynamic like there was in city of tears near watchers spire.

Indeed he says he wants to enjoy his fairly traded geos
Though some dreamnail dialouges say something else

...Geo. Geo. All the world is Geo. No nail can withstand its might...
...These refined weapons...The battles of Geo are much deadlier...

[low oracle]

If we take the dialogue seriously, "The battles of Geo are much deadlier" could refer to a lack of food, causing inflation among the few uninfected bugs. Sly is nearly unbeatable in combat, however strength can't fight starvation.

[wet walrus]

I understand it now

It is struggle for survival

[wet walrus]

So what is the weakest Hollow Knight boss that can beat post SotV Hornet?

[marble oasis]

Yeah the weavers are alive you can hear them breathe

[terse warren]

Yes that's what I meant

[marble oasis]

This was a bad analogy then

[terse warren]

Yes

[graceful grail]

I KNEW this opening reminded me of something!

[terse warren]

That's a stretch

[frosty gate]

Sk-lore turning to Sk-yoga the way we stretching

[terse warren]

Trueeee

[foggy fractal]

what would that even imply

that the fleas made those gates ??

or vice versa that the citadel made the flea brew bottle?

[wet walrus]

It kind of a decent one as both intend to preserve the body. The only major difference is weavers are immortal.

[frosty gate]

Flealoom

Citadel of Flea

[foggy fractal]

🤔

[frosty gate]

Fleanfection

[whole holly]

can't wait for Lifeblood infection in Sea of Sorrows

[steel violet]

It’s also the same as laces elevator

And right outside of Blasted Steps bellway

[whole holly]

that's just style of architecture, not really a lore thing

Eva's Tank looks similar so does weaver spire objects and so on

[steel violet]

Probably how the weavers chose to design all their things

It’s also in the weavenests plus the weaver chambers

[frank dove]

No gms is clearly a flea brew fan

[near jasper]

How does hornet get dialogue from the dead weavers from inspecting the corpse in the burial spires

[frosty gate]

They're probably talking to her

[near jasper]

I doubt every single weaver except first sinner had memorized the exact same line to say

[whole holly]

they are constricted for same purpose, unlike First Sinner who was forcibly constricted against her will

[frosty gate]

Why not? It was their wish

[near jasper]

Its weird you can still bind absoloms mummy when its got massive cracks

[whole holly]

true but i don't think it impacts it that much

[trail wagon]

I think Moorwing might be a female mite, since it's pretty close to mitemothers in size

Or it might be bred in some extreme conditions

[trail wagon]

The Citadel symbols

what exactly do these do?..

[plain gazelle]

crush

[near jasper]

Orphan crushing machine

[viral notch]

my best guess is that they're cleaning machines, or exposed parts of a bigger machine that helps keep the citadel running. We only encounter it because we're in the literal underworks of the citadel. I'm thinking the latter, since it wouldn't make sense for there to be 8 rumbas in one room.

[crimson patio]

Maybe because it’s 2D and it’s actually the ends of something rotating in the z axis that we cannot see

[foggy stratus]

It was bred to that size for its purpose of snatching up runaway workers or workers trying to unionize.

[whole holly]

did Burning Bugs unionize? are they socialist?

[foggy stratus]

Maybe, I dunno.

[viral notch]

that's exactly what I was imagining, especially since they have pretty simple movement patterns

[steel violet]

While this likely doesnt have direct implications on the lore, it can probably help us lay out a more concrete timeline for how much of pharloom was constructed under the weavers

[near jasper]

Its weird that if I remember correctly theres no citadel logos inside the exhaust organ

[whole holly]

do you guys think Steel Assassin Sharpe might appear in Sea of Sorrows DLC

because i am frustrated trying to figure out Steel Children lore

[steel violet]

yeah i def think theres smth big planned relating to the Steel Children

but probably for a later dlc not SoS

[whole holly]

agree personally

they will parallel grimm troupe, because they will be faction that suddenly appear in game

i am replaying hollow knight and it is amazing how much lore is in there that can be revisited

[whole holly]

how come Whispering Roots don't appear in Pharloom, i know they are dream related but they are still physical, elina can see them

are they influence of powerful Higher Beings that can control over dreams, maybe it is related to Mothkin as well?

[foggy stratus]

Maybe the Citadel vehemently pruned them if they ever popped up.

[whole holly]

why would they do such a thing?

[foggy stratus]

Why wouldn't they?

Maybe they considered them threats, somehow.

Or maybe they just take different forms in different kingdoms.

[whole holly]

why?

also what does canoe reaction mean?

[foggy stratus]

It's something from the memes channel. I've done it so much that just double tapping a message Canoe reacts

[whole holly]

oh ok

[foggy stratus]

If I'm being honest I have no clue I'm just speculating.

[foggy stratus]

I like this one way more.

[whole holly]

Lost Verdania does have memory orbs that we collect but we can't be too sure if they are same thing because one takes place in memory

[whole holly]

we haven't seen any form of it in pharloom

[foggy stratus]

We wouldn't know that we've seen them without Dreamnail or something that acts like Dreamnail(not in the way Elegy of the Deep does)

[whole holly]

we would because knight can see them without dream nail and elina from wanderer's journal can see them too

[foggy stratus]

I meant the Essence around them.

[whole holly]

well we still don't see anything resembling whispering root in pharloom

[foggy stratus]

The entire idea is proposed was that they take different forms in different kingdoms.

[whole holly]

but we can concur that memories are related to essence, it just manifests differently for us because we use different mechanism

[whole holly]

what form does it take in pharloom? nothing behaves like it

[foggy stratus]

Without Dreamnail Whispering Roots are basically just wonky looking plants.

[whole holly]

and? they still don't appear in pharloom in any identified form

where are those wonky plants?

[terse warren]

"It insists upon itself"

[foggy stratus]

Ok

[terse warren]

Like

The theory assumes all of its pieces of evidence

[sinful nimbus]

imo Hallownest is just the goat of magic

[terse warren]

Shrue

Pharloom more like Fraudloom

[foggy stratus]

Ah. I see that know.

[foggy stratus]

Fraud Mother Silk.

[whole holly]

i hope at least Land of Storms has Whispering Root

[terse warren]

Ban worthy

[sinful nimbus]

4 higher beings shamans whispering roots crystals and a bunch of gods

[whole holly]

you take every opportunity to degrade her

[terse warren]

Never Slander Goat Mother Silk

[terse warren]

4?

[whole holly]

?

[sinful nimbus]

unn, white lady, pale king, lord of shades

[terse warren]

Did you put some on the chopping block

[foggy stratus]

I simply don't think she's as strong as other Higher Beings we've seen.

[sinful nimbus]

Oh and Rad duh

[terse warren]

Or are you only counting the ones native to hallownest

[sinful nimbus]

5 higher beings

NMH doesn't count cuz its just visiting

[whole holly]

she is stronger than unn...

[terse warren]

Mhhh

I feel like there was another one

Maybe I'm tweaking

[whole holly]

anyone got unique insight on this?

[whole holly]

you may be thinking of Lifeblood Creature which is not confirmed

[foggy stratus]

Unn has been weakened for ages, don't slander my favorite slug looking but still not a slug Higher Being.

[terse warren]

Nah

[whole holly]

so was GMS

[terse warren]

GMS has been weakened for longer than Unn

[foggy stratus]

She's just been sleeping, I'm not sure if she's actually been weakened.

[whole holly]

people aren't even hating on character, just that she isn't powerful enough

[random harbor]

Godseeker - Pantheon of Hallownest - Unn Encounter

Sleeping God, We can barely feel thy presence amongst the green left behind. What strength thee once possessed fades beyond time and tune...

@lexmolten used /npcs quest name: Godseeker category: Pantheon of Hallownest dialogue: Unn Encounter

[near jasper]

Can gms bind outside binding her children

[whole holly]

Grand Mother Silk wouldn't be at her peak having just woken up anyways

[whole holly]

she was sealed, unlike unn who is just weakening from nothing it seems

[sinful nimbus]

they finally put bro in the potential higher beings list ❤️‍🩹

[near jasper]

Ngl lace just casually dismembering gms for the entire rest of the game is a weird sign for gms' strength

[foggy stratus]

Isn't it said it's because of the Radiance fucking with her planst?

[whole holly]

they should have put this instead:

[whole holly]

where?

[foggy stratus]

Ima try and find it real quick.

[sinful nimbus]

WHO
IS THIS ❓

[whole holly]

pale king slanderer, "Pale Wyrm, what good to forsee demise unavoidable" i am paraphrasing right now

[near jasper]

Michael

[sinful nimbus]

He will never enter the big leagues if he doesn't appreciate the goats that came before him

[whole holly]

because he surpassed said "goats" from day one

[foggy stratus]

It's not necessarily out right said to be due to the Radiance, but Godseeker says Unn is in decline and the Mosskin's dreamnail dialogue is mostly revolving around Unn, which could result in her decline.

[whole holly]

at least GMS and Nyleth aren't declining

weird resemblance

not really resemblance but still

[foggy stratus]

You might tear something with that stretch tbh.

[whole holly]

why does lot of people expect everything to be 1:1 same? why does everything have to be obvious and why is everything subtle deemed a stretch?

[foggy stratus]

FotF only has six arms to GMS's eight and their body shapes barely resemble one another. It shares more resemblance with Nightmare Heart tbh.

Glowing circle with red and fire motifs.

[near jasper]

My Discord flashed gms bigger And brighter for a second when I click the image am I gonna get haunted

[foggy stratus]

Yes you're cooked.

[near jasper]

Darn

[whole holly]

i disagree

[keen narwhal]

i think

the fire god bug dude

took inspo from gms

idk

think about it though

[blissful harbor]

i mean

the whole burning bugs and fotf definitely feels like a last minute troupe rewrite

[keen narwhal]

yeah i mean they dont have to be exact

but maybe fire god dude

took inspo from gms

he kinda took her form

in his own way

[blissful harbor]

the only resemblance is a vaguely humanoid shape and extra arms

[whole holly]

they were supposed to be void cult from original planning

[keen narwhal]

well i was talking about the pose

[whole holly]

not grimm troupe at all

[keen narwhal]

and how he was stood up

[blissful harbor]

ik what they were
i’m talking about what the cult is now

[whole holly]

i mean it makes sense for similarity to be subtle and not obvious

[keen narwhal]

oh

[blissful harbor]

i mean the pose and everything is more reminiscent of a totem
which is what it is

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[whole holly]

it can't be grimm troupe rewrite if burning bugs were planned to be void cult.

[keen narwhal]

but maybe inspo for the toem was her form

[blissful harbor]

do you take everything literal

[whole holly]

idk what to tell you, calling something grimm troupe rewrite because of flames is lazy assessment

[keen narwhal]

ok what is the fire bug cult now

they are a bunch of dudes who run around worshipping a giant ball of fire

and are granted its abalitites

[blissful harbor]

well it’s not just the flames youre misrepresenting me
the bugs are burned in the fire to sustain a built HB
seems pretty reminiscent of the troupe no?

[whole holly]

do you have counterevidence @foggy stratus

[blissful harbor]

no one is arguing it was a literal grimm troupe rewrite omg

[keen narwhal]

i mean Senris isnt wrong

[foggy stratus]

Just because it was originally planned to be one thing doesn't mean it then couldn't later be at least inspired by another thing.

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[whole holly]

general self-immolation and burning father to feed the child specifically are different no? aside of having common burning step

[whole holly]

not in this specific case/context

[foggy stratus]

Says who. You?

[whole holly]

calm down

[blissful harbor]

is this not the same logic you were using for GMS

doesn’t have to be 1:1

[blissful harbor]

i am very calm

[edgy nebula]

i think burning bugs being grimm troupe would be lame

[whole holly]

they have in-game connection though haunting and fact that burning bugs are haunted

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[blissful harbor]

they aren’t they are their own thing

[keen narwhal]

they arnt in the grimm troup

they are inspired maybe

[foggy stratus]

I mean, Grimm does willing let himself be burnt to feed Grimmchild. In a way that would be self immolation.

[keen narwhal]

or maybe they just follow the same practices

several religions do it

[whole holly]

convergent evolution

[whole holly]

yeah and known and available information

[keen narwhal]

wait im confused what are we arguing about/

?

[foggy stratus]

Bro nearly everyone is Haunted.

[whole holly]

idk people seem to think Burning Bug cult is inspired/rewritten from Grimm Troupe

[keen narwhal]

i mean it maybe

[edgy nebula]

i dont even think it's inspired i think it's just its own thing

[whole holly]

so what, we can still argue influence's of haunting

[keen narwhal]

yessssssssss

thats what im saying

it could be either

but i think they arnt inspired

[whole holly]

flame + cult = grimm troupe i guess

[keen narwhal]

wait also

the fire group in sk

[edgy nebula]

silksong players when they see the color red

[tepid aurora]

No, from what have know the grimmtroupe doesn’t burn their servants. The nightmare heart just consumes grimm

[keen narwhal]

doesnt travel like grimm troup

[tepid aurora]

That too

[edgy nebula]

burning bugs have zero relation to essence or dreams

[keen narwhal]

yes

[tepid aurora]

Yeah

[keen narwhal]

they probably arnt inspired at all

they just do similar things

i mean religions irl do similar things but dont have to be inspired

[tepid aurora]

Its just that cults tend too look similar

[whole holly]

i agree with you

[whole holly]

yeah some insisted that wasn't the case....

[keen narwhal]

yes

so surely we all agree

these guys arnt part or are inspired by grimm troupe

also another thing the bugs in the cult that are the fire group

dont have bugs who like something in grimm troupe and vice versa for grimm troupe

why would all those specific looking bugs go to one group and leave grimmtroupe

[tepid aurora]

The whole thing about the grimm troupe is its traveling to seek out dying kingdoms. The flaming cult kinda stays where they are in their little bambuforest. You know, minding their own shit

[keen narwhal]

yes

so overall i think the flaming cult and grimm troupe have no connecting

connection

[tepid aurora]

No, and its pretty obvious from the beginning

[keen narwhal]

yep

[tepid aurora]

The flaming cult is kinda isolated so not a lot of people know about them. While the grimm troupe comes in hard when they raid their flames in different kingdoms

[keen narwhal]

yeah idk even know why we were arguing over this

[tepid aurora]

No, i actually have to go to sleep right now

Bye

[keen narwhal]

goood bye smart person

[foggy stratus]

Did it get resolved?

[keen narwhal]

yes

we say

the flaming cult

and griim troupe have no connection

[whole holly]

exactly

now we know

[foggy stratus]

Well yeah no shit the just kinda look alike is all.

[whole holly]

i mean we know from beginning

[keen narwhal]

yes

idk why we were arguing

anyways

what other theories do we have

[foggy stratus]

On what?

[keen narwhal]

sk

i have a theory

about the plasmium god

[foggy stratus]

I also have one involving FotF cult

[keen narwhal]

and how they might come in the future

ok

you can start first

[foggy stratus]

Well ig it's kidna closer to a head Canon. Its that FotF cult saw one of the Grimm Troupe scouts and tried to imitate that.(yeah it's a head Canon now that I type it all out)

[keen narwhal]

ok

well i think that could be true

with the fire

we kinda laready had that debunked

we said either

[whole holly]

true

[keen narwhal]

they gained some inspo from grimm troupe

[foggy stratus]

I was more so thinking the look of it.

[whole holly]

unless there is some new proof of that

[keen narwhal]

or no inspo at all

and was doing they thing

yeah

[foggy stratus]

Like the lantern, red pointy fabrics, fire and allot.

[keen narwhal]

i mean the look maybe

i think red is to just symbolise fire though

they probably didnt take inspo from that

[whole holly]

look? i mean Father of the Flame is heart of wispfire, same way Nightmare Heart is heart of nightmares

[foggy stratus]

Perchance.

[whole holly]

yeah, they are just fire cult

[keen narwhal]

yeah i think

if they saw the grimm troupe

they would take more inspo then just clothing

and colors

[whole holly]

but Scarlet Flame and Wisp/Flickering Flame have different origins, they were made independently and ended up both being fire cult

[keen narwhal]

the colors and clothing isnt enough evidence imp

yes

[whole holly]

what's your theory about plasmium god

[keen narwhal]

ok

so i think the plasmium god may come in a future dlc

espiacially with what happens with the doctor

we know the worship place of the plasmium god is deep where

the hollow knight is

and he would possibly devour the god if it tried to escape

but what if it escaped by getting hosts

and made a new form of sorts

away from the original body

so far it seems to possible

its basically infected everything in the wormways

it just needs mre hosts

also i think the form of teh god

is either going to be a butterfly chrysalis or a butterfly

oh and

[whole holly]

We will see in DLC , we have no way of confirming that now

[foggy stratus]

That's a very interesting idea. A bit stretchy in some places but a very fun thing to belive in regardless.

[keen narwhal]

the radiance was possibly inspired by the plasmium god and made their infection in the form it is becuase of how it saw it infect

yes

ill figure out how to fix the stretches but yes

[distant mantle]

guys i have a question regarding whiteward

[keen narwhal]

yes

[distant mantle]

see the spears used in the unravelled fight right

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[distant mantle]

well, i just recently noticed while strolling around

those are the same spears used in the.. surgery.. chair.. thingies?

[keen narwhal]

oh yeah

[distant mantle]

and my question is: why would they throw away these spears along with the dead bodies in the junkpit?

[keen narwhal]

maybe

[distant mantle]

i DOUBT its for sanitary reasons, the citadel couldnt care less

[keen narwhal]

i mean true

[foggy stratus]

Maybe they get too dull to use well.

[keen narwhal]

i was going to say that

oh thats a good reason

[runic prism]

Hello there, tis I, the guy who has never spoken in this server despite joining months ago. I think I can answer your query

[distant mantle]

i dont think the citadel cares enough to do something like that, but thats fair

[keen narwhal]

wait question where do they dispose of it?

[foggy stratus]

Like they get dull and start not using silk as efficiently, making the Citadel pitch a fit and replace them.

[distant mantle]

unravelled arena

(junkpit)

[keen narwhal]

ok

[distant mantle]

that is fair

my question is though:

do they dispose of the stuff found in the junkpit from time to time? this is the case for me because

there's only FOUR spears here, i can get the bodies are like decomposing but.. metal doesnt.. do that

[keen narwhal]

hmmmm

idk

[runic prism]

Clearly, the Whiteward is far deeper than we get to see in-game, so I think that the bodies of higher up bugs (Conductors and such) were experimented on down there, and due to the sheer amount of silk used to keep higher profile bugs alive (Since they want them to be immortal), it created the unraveled, where it used the additional, potentially larger injectors to defend itself upon finding Hornet, maybe even attempting to use them to have her join them

[keen narwhal]

oh only four?

[distant mantle]

yeah

[trail wagon]

Yeah

[distant mantle]

two in the background two in the foreground

[keen narwhal]

this is a good theory

i think the spears they brung down their were just used

as weapons

maybe they wernt down their before

[distant mantle]

do you reckon the unravelled could pull injectors from outside the arena/in general

[runic prism]

Anywah, back to the void I go. Summon me if you need another esoteric lore answer

[distant mantle]

because it seems to be EXTREMELY powerful

[runic prism]

Potentially

[distant mantle]

hmm

alright

i have another question regarding whiteward

[keen narwhal]

that sounds terrifying

[distant mantle]

if theres morticians and furnaces all round whiteward, why do they use the junkpit in the end?

wouldnt it be easier to dispose of the evidence by.. burning it?

[keen narwhal]

maybe for bodies with stronger outsides

[distant mantle]

well, no, you can clearly see the unravelled shooting out regular common pilgrims

[near jasper]

Whats the topic rn

[distant mantle]

whiteward

[keen narwhal]

oh

hmmmmm

oh maybe

they wernt they before?

what if it was deemed useless

[runic prism]

Like I said, I think the "Pit" is just more Whiteward, since it requires the surgeons key and clearly the hatch leads to more Whiteward (Then Underworks), the Conductor was either a work-in-progress, or maybe an attempt to reainmate the dead with silk

[distant mantle]

elaborate

[distant mantle]

iii doubt it

[keen narwhal]

oh wait better

theory

the bodies in the junkpit

are regular bugs

who wernt tested on

so they didnt need to get rid of evidence

these bigs diied like a normal bug

[runic prism]

What about the conductor then?

[distant mantle]

it's right below the surgery areas

and

[keen narwhal]

well he probabbly wondered down their

[distant mantle]

they clearly use it as a last ditch effort when a surgery fails

for example, mizello

[distant mantle]

..did you even LISTEN to the psalm cylinder

[keen narwhal]

and alsobro

bro

[near jasper]

He tripped

[keen narwhal]

i dont have all the evidence

im new

[runic prism]

Maybe, but didn't the groundskeeper mention attempting to reaminate the dead?

[near jasper]

[keen narwhal]

bro im new

im a intern

this too hard

[distant mantle]

well, i think thats

the surgeons

and dreg husks

just, a very poor attempt

wait a MINUTE I GOT IT

[runic prism]

Aren;t they just haunted?

[keen narwhal]

yesssss

[distant mantle]

yknow the junkpit, right?

[keen narwhal]

yes

[near jasper]

They dont have organs

[distant mantle]

it'd make sense for it to be the place where they try to reanimate the dead

[keen narwhal]

its full of silk

[distant mantle]

which would explain the injectors

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[runic prism]

Dead bugs have been haunted, like those in the marrow

[distant mantle]

and the reanimation of the unravelled

[keen narwhal]

oh

cawthon

[runic prism]

Yeah thats what I meant

[keen narwhal]

your a genious

[distant mantle]

gms you doing too much

[keen narwhal]

and SLo

what is that

[gentle aspen]

Not really

[distant mantle]

dregwheels

[keen narwhal]

that is a terrible way to use silk

[near jasper]

Unravelled Spawn

[keen narwhal]

good god

[gentle aspen]

The haunting’s an effect of everyone having silk microplastics in their system

[near jasper]

Thats most of the citadel

[keen narwhal]

why they put it all in teh neck bro

[gentle aspen]

Whiteward is the worst of what they did, experimenting with pilgrims and the like to gain immortality

their bodies get messed up as a result

[distant mantle]

..wait a minute

[keen narwhal]

thank you guys

[distant mantle]

if the unravelled is a reanimated corpse due to the result of whiteward activities

[keen narwhal]

im becoming smarter

[distant mantle]

..why does silk appear when the needolin is played?

would.. the silk get haunted??

[gentle aspen]

why would it not?

[distant mantle]

it would mean they're haunted

[near jasper]

They are

[gentle aspen]

They are

[distant mantle]

..how does that work precisely?

[gentle aspen]

they’re not just Haunted

[gentle aspen]

how does what work

dead things being haunted?

[near jasper]

They have silk in the husks so gms haunts them

[distant mantle]

would the silk itself be haunted

its a dead body

[gentle aspen]

they just are

the haunting is literally being controlled by the silk in your body

being dead doesn’t matter

[near jasper]

Most haunted enemies are dead bodies

[distant mantle]

well yeah but these corpses are JUST silk effectively

no mind to haunt

[gentle aspen]

since when

they still clearly have a body of some sort

[distant mantle]

i dont think this thing has anything in it besides silk

[gentle aspen]

You can literally see their body

in the image you sent

[near jasper]

It has 2/4 of a shell and theyre linked so that works

[distant mantle]

..the inside

i dont think that thing would have

a mind to think

[gentle aspen]

why do you keep repeating “mind to think”

why does that matter

That’s not relevant to being haunted

[near jasper]

Most dead things dont

[distant mantle]

i assume you would need some kind of will to be changed to be haunted, no?

[gentle aspen]

no?

[near jasper]

How do corpses get haunted then

[distant mantle]

like, does this mean a vessel could POSSIBLY get haunted?

[distant mantle]

they still got a brain in there

[keen narwhal]

wait what are we arguing?

[gentle aspen]

Vessels have wills, dude

and like

[distant mantle]

not at the beginning of life

[gentle aspen]

Yes, they do

[near jasper]

Debatable

[gentle aspen]

it really isn’t

[distant mantle]

as they said its debatable

[gentle aspen]

I do not know why people feel the need to say its debatable

The point of vessel purity is that the pale king was incorrect

[near jasper]

It wastes less of my time

[keen narwhal]

so wait whats the argument

[distant mantle]

it depends what vessel you mean

like, i mean the ones sitting the void that have never experienced ANYTHING

[gentle aspen]

It doesn’t depend

[keen narwhal]

if dead bodies have wills?

[gentle aspen]

all vessels have wills

[near jasper]

The knights most important memory when they get dreamnailed is in the abyss

[gentle aspen]

not experiencing anything doesn’t suddenly mean you don’t have a will or a mind it means you’re stunted

[keen narwhal]

i mean the vessels in the void

[distant mantle]

i see

[keen narwhal]

have a will

[distant mantle]

oh and another question

[keen narwhal]

they are born to consume gods

they arnt told

[distant mantle]

robots can get haunted, right?

does this include, any powered off ones or anything

[keen narwhal]

its just in their nature

[gentle aspen]

yes

[distant mantle]

how does that work precisely

[gentle aspen]

as long as you have silk in your body you can be haunted

[distant mantle]

i see

[near jasper]

We dont see any powered off ones with a silkfly to be haunted

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[distant mantle]

how come some bugs are seemingly "immune" to being haunted

[gentle aspen]

it would just be a waste to control a non active robot

[keen narwhal]

and also you can use the harp thing

[whole holly]

hey so, do you guys think Vessel would be able to solve issues of Pharloom, instead of Hornet?

[keen narwhal]

abality

yes

bro

[distant mantle]

well no pharloom's issue is very complex and would need

actual

thinking and conversational skills

[gentle aspen]

probably not

[keen narwhal]

i mean they would

[distant mantle]

tthe vessel is well

[keen narwhal]

only fix killing and maybe consuming grand mother

[frosty gate]

Strong mind and that's all

[foggy stratus]

Yes.

[gentle aspen]

music is important and vessels have no way to start doing that

[whole holly]

i mean with haunting?

[keen narwhal]

wait

yeah

yeah

[near jasper]

They could probably kill gms if they got there

[whole holly]

instead of Needolin they just get harp i guess

[keen narwhal]

what i just said

[gentle aspen]

like yes the knight would be strong enough to go the distance but they don’t actually have the ability to reach it

[keen narwhal]

oh yeah

they need the song

[near jasper]

Just put sherma in their pocket for free singing

[keen narwhal]

to even get close

true

just throw sherma

[sinful nimbus]

Nah you dont need silk specifically

[whole holly]

maybe they obtain harp and learn to play it like with nail arts

[keen narwhal]

yes

[keen narwhal]

yeah you dont need silk to make music

but also

[whole holly]

i think they will get better ending that Weaver Queen Hornet

[keen narwhal]

another thing to debunk this

[sinful nimbus]

If it has void heart its pretty much no question but if it doesn't have that then it might not be able to beat the game

[keen narwhal]

what if you need to make music with silk to make things work in silksong

[gentle aspen]

if they were in the same situation where they had to bind gms with focus

probably be better than weaver queen

methinks gms would croak

nothing like my goat radiance

[keen narwhal]

becuase we havent seen bugs without silk who can unlock things

[near jasper]

What places would that be?

[gentle aspen]

didn’t even need united void for her bumahh

[near jasper]

Sherma calls last judge

[keen narwhal]

i mean in general

[keen narwhal]

they do???????????//

[gentle aspen]

sherma doesn’t activate the judges

[keen narwhal]

ok

[gentle aspen]

cuz something something no sin

[keen narwhal]

so my theory is right

[whole holly]

Vessel would focus GMS and nothing would happen i think

[near jasper]

They call last judge with song because how else would the door be opened

[keen narwhal]

you need actual silk to make things work

so

[whole holly]

haunting stops

[frosty gate]

"It's magic I ain't gotta explain shit" - TC with many many things, probably

[keen narwhal]

in order for the knight

to actually get to queen

they would need to either

get a musical instrument with silk

or see

if you can do it without silk (which is unlikely)

[near jasper]

Last judge doesnt need it and the threefold melody was meant for normal pilgrims

[whole holly]

but we see Harps in silksong, can't vessel just play them?

[near jasper]

Thats the 2 biggest blocks gone

[keen narwhal]

ok

[frosty gate]

Genuinely, I completely doubt The Vessel could play any instrument

[keen narwhal]

well maybe the knight could beat silk song

[whole holly]

Weavenests may need silk instrument

[keen narwhal]

true

[near jasper]

Why would that be needed

[whole holly]

why though? they can learn nail arts

[whole holly]

silk resonance or something who knows

[near jasper]

The weavenests

[frosty gate]

I mean, they would have to get someone who teaches them how to play

[near jasper]

The silk thing they probably do need

[near jasper]

For weavenests

[whole holly]

for Vessel, can't imagine why?

[frosty gate]

And even then, we don't know if the damn thing can

[keen narwhal]

wait but what if to get to queen you actually need silk??????????

[frosty gate]

The Vessel doesn't even fight

Like properly

[whole holly]

why wouldn't they be able to?

[near jasper]

How

[whole holly]

Sherma, Widow

[keen narwhal]

through a instrument that is using silk

[frosty gate]

Widow didn't teach us shit, we stole that knowledge from her

[near jasper]

Where

[frosty gate]

Sherma could

[whole holly]

so? Vessel can imitate widow or focus them

[sinful nimbus]

Find the town here all pilgrims come from and find like a harp teacher or something

[keen narwhal]

i mean if the knight were to get a hypothetical instrument with silk on it or you can dispense silk in to

[whole holly]

plus there are Shamans too help us

[frosty gate]

"Focus" her?

[sinful nimbus]

Can it sing with wraiths

[keen narwhal]

then maybe the knight could fight queen

and im also saying

[frosty gate]

Game lasts 100 hours, 90 which are used into the Knight learning to play an instrument

[whole holly]

okay fine vessel can imitate widow

[foggy stratus]

Focus, consume, whatever gets the job done.

[near jasper]

Where would it need an instrument with silk

[keen narwhal]

the part with the elevator

[near jasper]

Thats for normal pilgrims

[whole holly]

they wouldn't, especially if shamans try to help vessel

[keen narwhal]

maaaaan

this is hard

well

[near jasper]

The statues call you a pilgrim

[keen narwhal]

oh

[foggy stratus]

A Vessel looking up into the elevator shaft for the Cradle(it ain't shit compared to Abyss climb)

[keen narwhal]

well in that case the knight could square up with the queen no problem

[frosty gate]

Focus doesn't work like that
We only Focus on inmaterial things, like Essence and Soul. Unless we can suck the soul out of Silk, I doubt it works like that

[keen narwhal]

wait but

the vessel or knight has no voice

they needs a instrument

[whole holly]

why wouldn't knight focus silk, they can focus infection

[whole holly]

for what?

[keen narwhal]

to unlock things

[near jasper]

Last judge

[keen narwhal]

in silksong

[near jasper]

And elevator to cradle

[keen narwhal]

yes lastjudje and others

so

[frosty gate]

Infection isn't a material and it's composed of essence. You're just sucking up fumes

[whole holly]

maybe howling wraiths or another pilgrim or they get musical instrument

[keen narwhal]

woudnt we they need a instrument

[near jasper]

True

[distant mantle]

do yall reckon theres more of whiteward than we see ingame

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[limpid summit]

Maybe worth mentioning that TK absorbs snail shamans

[distant mantle]

for a hospital, its way too small

[near jasper]

If the Knight were to sing it would probably sound like skynx ngl

[keen narwhal]

absolutly

[limpid summit]

It might be able to absorb weavers

As LoS it could just subsume them into void anyway

[whole holly]

it is material though, no idea why silk would be different vessel absorbs shamans and dreamers

[keen narwhal]

i mean the kingdom is already so huge

and they would probably have space to dispose of bodies

or even more surgery rooms

[frosty gate]

This is actually not a bad point

[keen narwhal]

so @distant mantle i think there is a lot more of that area

[whole holly]

but my main question revolves around whether or not Vessel can consume GMS, if so, what will happen, will haunting stop?

[keen narwhal]

we just havent seen it

[limpid summit]

Oh that’s the main question?

Yeah for sure

Pure Soul?

[near jasper]

Probably haunting gone

[limpid summit]

That’s why I say PV could beat SS easily

[frosty gate]

Can we get a Patch for Hollow Knight where we murder AMSnail?

[whole holly]

sure but what would happen to Vessel?

[near jasper]

Idk

[limpid summit]

Probably nothing

[frosty gate]

I mean, we got a cap on soul consumption, at least in gameplay

[keen narwhal]

it would work like radiance imp

[near jasper]

Get hollow knighted

[limpid summit]

Rad still exists because she’s dream based and so is her affliction

GMS is physical she would just die

[keen narwhal]

they just consume its body

boom

[limpid summit]

Maybe if she wasn’t weakened she would break out physically who knows

[keen narwhal]

yeah

it would maybe work like the radiance and the hollow knight

but also

[frosty gate]

I honestly think that, even if the Knight can't consume GMS, they can just fuck her up

[keen narwhal]

the radiance happened becuase of a flaw with the hollow knight

[whole holly]

do you guys think vessel may experience same abnormal growth hornet experiences or not? i lean towards not but it would be interesting if it impacted vessel in some way

[frosty gate]

"Oh I can't consume you? Don't worry, I'm beating you up until you give in"

It's literally the Perpetual Motion Machine

[near jasper]

Gms is very much physically killable without silk shenanigans

[edgy nebula]

yeah tk is canonically the strongest being in the verse they can just smack her around

[keen narwhal]

i think nothing would happen

its body is meant for consuming gods

[frosty gate]

It's mean to consume the Infection, we don't know how it works with others

[keen narwhal]

hornet coudnt handel it

[near jasper]

She can be dismembered permanently

[whole holly]

will they have growth spurt from being in peak state because they consumed a god? and be tall like pure vessel

[keen narwhal]

true but most likely

it would work the same

[frosty gate]

And even then we don't really consume Gods, Radiance wasn't consumed

[whole holly]

contain it mostly

[keen narwhal]

oh well trapped then

it would trap gms

[near jasper]

The infection was eaten but not radience

[whole holly]

btw are Dreamers consumed or Contained?

[near jasper]

We just kill radiance

[frosty gate]

That's another thing, but its still unclear since Radiance was already in the Dream Realm

[keen narwhal]

i think they turn into soul points

[frosty gate]

I wanna make this reminder that Radiance isn't actually in a Pocket Dimension inside TK

She's just in its head

[keen narwhal]

they just turn into energy

ok

yeah that makes sense

[whole holly]

we don't get soul from them though?

[edgy nebula]

yeah she's just physically in there

[keen narwhal]

wait from who

[whole holly]

they could have been crest if not for Vessels empty/void nature

[frosty gate]

And by absorbing the Infection in "The Hollow Knight" ending, we just pass her from Vessel to Vessel

[whole holly]

Dreamers

[keen narwhal]

explain what those are please

that would help

im sorry idk everything

[frosty gate]

We can't absord physical things

Except for whatever the fuck we do with Snails

[limpid summit]

Well we can eat them

[frosty gate]

Is it even physical?

[limpid summit]

Isma’s Tear

[whole holly]

Dreamers? they are Herrah the Beast, Lurien the Watcher and Monomon the Teacher

[frosty gate]

No mouth to eat

[edgy nebula]

snails are very attuned with soul so tk might just be absorbing the soul from their bodies

[keen narwhal]

oh well those are just used to unlock the gate

[whole holly]

we can consume Isma's Tear, Snails, Dreamers

[limpid summit]

I see us as just like harvesting the innate soul affinity within them as a catalyst and then destroying the rest

[whole holly]

but they are focused inside knight

[limpid summit]

Like digestion

[keen narwhal]

what if we just kill them like

[frosty gate]

Actually fuck it Bobbi you are a genius

[whole holly]

where are their bodies

[edgy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/diddyblud-diddy-einstein-albert-einstein-calc-gif-9528529477851089865

[whole holly]

that's completely new concept, nothing like that exists in HK that i am aware of

[frosty gate]

It's likely we get their Soul like Hornet does with the Seeker's Soul in Silksong

[keen narwhal]

well we know where herrahs body is

[onyx jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/red-paper-coach-meme-gif-11221063440541197155

[whole holly]

after focusing they are gone, are they contained inside knight?

[frosty gate]

Instead of taking it physically like Hornet does, we just consume it straight from the tap

[near jasper]

They should make a fakeout with a knight rematch and get them crushed by beastfly in the boss rush mode

[keen narwhal]

maybe once we get herrah gone we kinda do what we did to karmelita with hornet

i think they dont get consumed

[whole holly]

we consume Lifeblood as well, which is physical, we can consume silk

[keen narwhal]

they are just put to rest

[onyx jolt]

and the beastfly becomes voided because it gets soaked in the knights void juice

[near jasper]

Yes

[frosty gate]

We are kinda just spraying that shit onto us, it's a liquid

[whole holly]

karmelita existed in memory and died physically, herrah is gone and has no place to be except vessels mind i guess

[keen narwhal]

i mean maybe

[frosty gate]

!wiki Seekers Soul

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Ancient_Civilisation
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page Seekers Soul for a direct link or !wiki search Seekers Soul for a list of all hits.

Hollow Knight Wiki

Ancient Civilisation

The ancient civilisation was a civilisation of bugs that existed in the distant past before the kingdoms of Hallownest and Pharloom were founded. It originated from or near the Abyss but later expanded to the entire land of Hallownest. This civilisation did not devote its worship to any lord or power but instead worshipped the Void itself, longing it to take away their suffering and cleanse them fully.

[whole holly]

i don't think that's how it work, plus we consume isma's tear, we can consume Silk for sure

[onyx jolt]

you inject it into yourself

[keen narwhal]

wait question when we kill herrah does the body laying on the bed thing stay there?

[edgy nebula]

i feel like what tk does when they absorb the shamans is that they absorb enough sheer soul to essentially put more soul than they did before into spells, which lets them coat said spell with void/their essence and then shoot it out but it's honestly just my headcanon

[near jasper]

Wiki bot believes ancient snail theory

[keen narwhal]

or does the body vansih

[edgy nebula]

no

[near jasper]

Vanishes

[keen narwhal]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[whole holly]

body vanishes like all dreamers

[keen narwhal]

ok ok

[whole holly]

what happens to them where are their bodies? are they inside knight's empty shade?

[keen narwhal]

so that is a good question what happens to the souls

[frosty gate]

!wiki Seeker's Soul

[near jasper]

Idk

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Seeker's_Soul

Hollow Knight Wiki

Seeker's Soul

The Seeker's Soul is a deliverable item in * Hollow Knight: Silksong*.

Source

Bilehaven

[keen narwhal]

i think they arnt

[frosty gate]

That's what we probably consume as the knight

[keen narwhal]

they are just put to rest

[frosty gate]

Also yeah Isma's tear is a fruit

[whole holly]

where, physically

[near jasper]

No mouth to eat

[keen narwhal]

i mean they died somewhere

[edgy nebula]

what do we think isma's tear tastes like

[keen narwhal]

and there souls are gone

becuase they have no purpose now

[near jasper]

Grape and pear

[whole holly]

if we can consume liquid lifeseed and solid fruit then we can consume silk

[near jasper]

But slightly more acidic

[whole holly]

they are focused inside knight like infection

[keen narwhal]

yeah maybe

[near jasper]

I should do a tierlist on the flavor of every Silksong enemy

[whole holly]

Green Apple but between that and Soul Plum

[frosty gate]

I don't think this is how it should work, but I truly have nothing honestly

[keen narwhal]

lowkey i think lig=feblood would taste the best

[near jasper]

It tastes like blue monster

[keen narwhal]

it looks like a giant juicy berry

maybe

and also bugs in the game

[whole holly]

there is no reason why vessel can't consume silk, i get that Soul Vessel shouldn't hold Silk but i think Knight's shell would only absorb soul

[keen narwhal]

such as the ones before the knight arrived and the guys i worm ways love i

[whole holly]

Wine, Blue Raspberry, i think it tastes like Berry Mead, or Berry punch

[foggy stratus]

It sucks the soul out and just leaves the physical thread behind.

[keen narwhal]

so i think its just a giant berry

[whole holly]

exactly

[keen narwhal]

that sounds great

[near jasper]

Like silk eaters probably maybe

[keen narwhal]

oh

[edgy nebula]

silk is just soul in a more physical form so it's probably just condensed soul

[foggy stratus]

Or it beats the soul out of it like a soul totem.

[keen narwhal]

but wait if the soul gone

cant queen put more silk in

and have more power over the vessel

[near jasper]

Wdym

[keen narwhal]

like once the silk is sucked out or soul

cant they put more silk in

[near jasper]

The soul is being taken out of the silk

[whole holly]

i don't think vessels can be haunted because silk can't get stuck in their organs and GMS can't control silk inside Vessel's shell because Shade would consume silk

[limpid summit]

The silk is being destroyed outright

It’s void

[foggy stratus]

Wdym by "put more silk in"?

[keen narwhal]

idk how to explain it

[foggy stratus]

Also the Void would ruin the silk regardless invalidating the Haunting effect.

[keen narwhal]

like once the silk is consumed or soul

they can put more silk in the body for more control?

[near jasper]

No

[keen narwhal]

ok

[near jasper]

The soul is being removed from the silk

Before being put in

[foggy stratus]

So do you mean that GMS, assuming the vessel takes the silk into itself, could then guide more silk into the Vessel?

[keen narwhal]

no

i meant

[near jasper]

How do silkeaters work

[keen narwhal]

when they suck the soul or silk out of a body who was fighting for gms

cant gms just put more silk into the dead body

that now has no soul

and have more control

but thats been debukned

[near jasper]

Yeah and they body will come back if its not destroyed

[keen narwhal]

yeah thas what im saying

but i think silkeater

is a bug that was made that way

like turning wolves into dogs

and they made for growing silk deposits

and also

maybe they used them to get rid of ecess silk

they dint need

and could use later

[near jasper]

The citadel took all the silk they could

There is no excess if you simply make up more uses

[keen narwhal]

oh maybe then

they were made

to make more silk

[near jasper]

No they consume silk they cant make it

[keen narwhal]

hmmmm

well we see

there is a lot of silk in isolated areas or abandoned areas

maybe these guys evolved to consume the silk

in those areas

and some bugs found them

and now use them in farms

like the slave dude

[near jasper]

Styx

[keen narwhal]

yes

[near jasper]

He eats the silkeaters

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[whole holly]

do you guys think Fayforn is a higher being

[near jasper]

No

[near jasper]

And he has a nest from silk

[keen narwhal]

so i think he found a area isolated and alon with abunch of silkeaters and made a farm

yes

[near jasper]

The top one

[keen narwhal]

so i think he found his home and made a farm with it

and boom

[lone folio]

Nah

[keen narwhal]

thats why he has silkeaters

[whole holly]

i do for few reasons

[keen narwhal]

yeah no

i mean maybe

but they probably made that area as a worship place but he isnt a higher being

[whole holly]

ice in silksong is referred to as coldshard, Fayforn is referred to as fell heart of frost, interesting
Coldshard does have mnemonic properties evidenced by memory crystal tool and mnemonids and mnemonords
Memories are related to Essence as well
Coldshard is related to Essence, somewhat

[keen narwhal]

he is just a bird

who comes down to music

[near jasper]

"a fayforn" is in the description for getting double jump

Theres more presumably

[whole holly]

she also Gleams too, Higher Beings tend to be associated with light when they are associated with essence

[whole holly]

there are also multiple wyrms too

[keen narwhal]

well i think fayforn isnt a higher being he is treated as one though

becuase of the feathers

and its usefulness in the cold

[near jasper]

Pk was a higher being from being pale not being a wyrm tho

[whole holly]

i don't see why same could be true for Fayforn, they could be higher being and have other fayforns who aren't higher beings

[keen narwhal]

true

but i think fayforn is just a bird

nothing special

they are just ttreated as a higher being

[lone folio]

Like fayforn isnt even that special according to the cloak description after you get the fayforn double jump, in the description it says "protective garb lined with the soft down of a fayforn"

[keen narwhal]

becuase of how useful feathers are

[lone folio]

It's not THE fayforn

It's just one of many in a species

[keen narwhal]

yes

[lone folio]

I mean

I guess wyrms are a thing

[keen narwhal]

i think fayforn is just being a treated as a higherbeing becuase of feathers

and how useful they are in the cold

so

no

but are they treated as one? yes

we can see this

[near jasper]

Roots and wyrms both exist elsewhere what made ours higher beings was being already pale

[keen narwhal]

with the giant harp looking thing at the top where we meet fayforn

[edgy nebula]

she was worshipped by the weavers but that doesnt really make her a hb

i personally dont think she's a hb just a strong bug

[near jasper]

If she needed worshippers like higher beings presumably do shed be dead

Unless mask maker is really dedicated

[edgy nebula]

he most certainly isnt

too busy mask making

[foggy stratus]

So not a Higher Being but instead a higher being.

[near jasper]

?

[lone folio]

Fayforn is also very bug like unlike every other higher being we get to see

[near jasper]

Oh

I get it

[whole holly]

higher beings don't always need worship

[near jasper]

Radiance is just a moth and unn is just a slug

[limpid summit]

She is lumped in with the “higher caste” as a creature with the direct lineage of HBs

But she isn’t one herself

[foggy stratus]

Radiance resembles a moth vaguely.

[lone folio]

Does radiance look like a moth to you? Like no really what does she share with moths except for being white and fluffy

Like she was probably inspired by one and she probably is one in the lore in some kind of weird way but the way she looks isn't very moth like

[keen narwhal]

well the radiance was worshipped by moths so they are most liekly a moth

[near jasper]

Eh

[foggy stratus]

She made them.

[limpid summit]

Unn isn’t a mosskin

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[keen narwhal]

yeah

[limpid summit]

She made creatures in her vague image, and in the HK world they were named moths

But she isn’t one

[whole holly]

First Introduction Convention Sometimes "a" is used when introducing something to the audience, even if it's unique in-universe. Once introduced, later references might switch to "the."

[limpid summit]

She’s a mothlike HB

[keen narwhal]

but woudnt she mae them in her image?

or similar?

[limpid summit]

I mean you don’t need all that

All the driftlins are her kids

She’s not special

Just old

[whole holly]

i think she is special because of this

[whole holly]

how does having kids make you not special? are you mom-shaming her?

[limpid summit]

She could be a heart

[near jasper]

Crawfather and fayforn would be old hearts if their people didnt work as well as they do

[edgy nebula]

they grow into more fayforn

[limpid summit]

Like how Karmelita is an ant heart and Nyleth is a seed heart

[edgy nebula]

i personally dont think fayforn is a heart ngl

[whole holly]

with that logic white lady can have children too

[keen narwhal]

wait guys are even sure if beings who arnt bugs can become or are higherbeings?

[near jasper]

If they could why arent weavers higher beings

[keen narwhal]

i mean we have only seen fayforn

who sint a bug

[keen narwhal]

well weavers are included

[lone folio]

She is a bug

[near jasper]

They are

[keen narwhal]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[edgy nebula]

non-bugs can become/be higher beings

[keen narwhal]

so why do they have feathers??????????

[edgy nebula]

white lady is a hb and tk becomes a hb once they gain voidheart

[near jasper]

You can see the bug like body when shes swooping down

[edgy nebula]

🤷

[keen narwhal]

oh ok

[near jasper]

Idk

Shes just like that

[keen narwhal]

i guess fayforn just built differnt

[whole holly]

i think she has connection to cold shard and essence/memories

[keen narwhal]

wait im confused

nvm

[near jasper]

I wouldnt question a bug with feathers when theres bugs made from coral

[keen narwhal]

i shall stay with my statement

oh true