sk-lore

[balmy egret]

what does the spool do when you craft it with the other peice does it give any bosts?

[near jasper]

Go to the help channel for that

Also stop spamming

[whole holly]

i hope similar attunement/ascension storyline

[frank dove]

Then baited them into bringing the flower to eat him

Okay nvm no one really says anything about that

[wet walrus]

Bro fell for the ragebait 🥀🥀

[ionic stump]

<@&283547423706447872> spam

[terse warren]

Old ahh message lmao

[onyx jolt]

why do we treat this is a hk lore when theres litterally #hk-lore

[narrow horizon]

people are usually talking about sk stuff and it brings up questions towards hk stuff but they don't feel like changing channels

or if the convo goes back to sk spoilers they'd have to come back here anyway

also all of the hk lore is connected to sk lore so

[foggy stratus]

Most*

Remove Lurian’s watching ass and nothing in Silksong changes.

[narrow horizon]

well all of it is technically cuz it's the same universe but some of it matters a lot less to sk (like not at all)

[onyx jolt]

the vessels wouldnt be created, hornet wouldnt be created, shade lord wouldnt be created, tf are you talking about???

[wet walrus]

Where is The Hollow Knight?

[foggy stratus]

Just because you remove one dreamer doesn’t mean all of that would happen.

[wet walrus]

Good news guys EtV is cannon

[foggy stratus]

The most significant thing Lurian does is take a nap for the king. If Lurian said no then PK would just find a different dreamer or only have two.

[onyx jolt]

yes it would?

what other canidates are therre for a dreamer?

[onyx jolt]

one of the shades in the background

[foggy stratus]

Seeing as most people from that era of Hallownest are dead I’m not sure. But again, The PK would still do the Vessel project regardless of the Dreamers.

[wet walrus]

Where

[onyx jolt]

idk

[onyx jolt]

do you even know what the dreamers did

[foggy stratus]

Lurian wasn’t the reason the PK did the vessel project, it was because of the Radiance.

[foggy stratus]

Yes, they were extra layers of protection for THK.

[onyx jolt]

do you know why they were selected

[unique tangle]

Having tea with elderbug back in hallownest

[foggy stratus]

They were notable figures in Hallownest. The exact recruitment process for the Dreamers isn’t known.

[onyx jolt]

yes. those 3 were the most notable, its not like you can just make another one

[wet walrus]

Goated ending

[marble oasis]

Where do you think Watcher at the Edge learned his technique

[onyx jolt]

according to your logicthe only dreamer that needs to exist is herrah

[wet walrus]

Besides do you think THK clapped Hornet behind the scene

[onyx jolt]

what the fuck are you talking about

[wet walrus]

EtV scene

Where hornet confronts thk

[onyx jolt]

etv?

[wet walrus]

Embrace the void

[onyx jolt]

oh

[foggy stratus]

Technically yes. Because the Dreamers weren’t important for the creation of THK. Without the Dreamers the Radiance would still cause the infection, the PK would foresee a solution and it would more then likely still be the Vessel Project with or without Lurian.

[onyx jolt]

what you are saying is basically any character who didnt interact with hornet isnt needed in the story

[marble oasis]

All the Dreamers were vital to the project

Monomon helped with the theory of containing the Infection within an outer shell
Herrah was practise for making all the Vessels
Lurien was down with child murder

[onyx jolt]

oh wait and monomon because hornet interacts with quirrel in a comic

[onyx jolt]

"Lurien was down with child murder"

[marble oasis]

That is what I said yes

[dire lynx]

probably back in hallownest worrying about where hornet went lmao

[foggy stratus]

And where does that leave Lurian? In regards to Silksong, unimportant because despite your baseless claim, the Vessel Project would still continue with or without Lurian.

[wet walrus]

I am sure Hornet received a beating from him before that

[foggy stratus]

They didn’t fight probably. THK is way too weak to fight Hornet’s acrobatic ass and Hornet doesn’t have much reason to fight it.

[wet walrus]

She literally confronts him

[foggy stratus]

She gets startled by THK.

[wet walrus]

Also even in a weakened state he is no longer held back by the radiance

[unique tangle]

Is this power scaling discussion

Who is stronger, Hornet sentinel or THK no radiance

[foggy stratus]

It has to use its nail as a cane. When it sees Hornet it ends up bracing it into the ground. Not necessarily a good sign of physical strength.

[onyx jolt]

everyone in the black egg gets weakened so hornet is also very weak in there

[dire lynx]

thk is a cripple, i doubt they have the strength to fight hornet in their state

[wet walrus]

I mean dude can deal double damage in his prime and teleport around like a... Hollow knight boss would do.

[foggy stratus]

She isn’t in it yet.

She’s outside it.

[onyx jolt]

also can summon pale nails from the ground and harnessed the void

[dire lynx]

mask damage isnt canon

[wet walrus]

I mean it sure makes no sense but I am sure it adds a little bit of value

Like a dash slash having same damage as a paint makes no sense

[foggy stratus]

Sheo is just putting his back into it.

[dire lynx]

its all game balance, the number of masks is irrelevant

[foggy stratus]

Or he’s using leaded paint.

[wet walrus]

THK can hit way harder than normal when not being held back imo

[dire lynx]

in their prime maybe, but their body was degraded by the radiance fighting to escape from within

[foggy stratus]

THK had been significantly weakened by the Radiance in her attempt to escape. It doesn’t have the strength to fight properly.

[dire lynx]

thk after leaving the black egg in EtV is in no shape to fight hornet

[unique tangle]

Why can’t they just focus to heal smh

[wet walrus]

Sure he is missing a limb but, he doesn't needed that much I think. He uses the sword with one hand during his prime anyways

[foggy stratus]

Also, Hornet has no reason to fight THK.

[foggy stratus]

Said arm appeared to be its spell casting arm.

[dire lynx]

you can literally see that thk is using the sword to help themselves walk in that scene

[wet walrus]

Pale daggers aren't so necessary he can at least rune rage

[marble oasis]

I won't stand for this THK downscaling

[foggy stratus]

Bro that thing is my sibling, I reserve the right to downscale it

[marble oasis]

I don't think it has one arm that it can only cast spells with

[wet walrus]

I mean he could just teleport but his soul powers were way weak to do so.
PV is never seen walking and teleports around since he is a hk boss afterall

[unique tangle]

Just gather soul and hold FOCUS to regenerate the arm

It’s simple

[marble oasis]

My theory is that it can't gather soul with a broken shell like that

[unique tangle]

The knight can still gather soul with a cracked vessel

It just holds less

[wet walrus]

Even a broken shell can collect soul since tk can do this while missing a shade

[foggy stratus]

Shell≠Soul Vessel.

[wet walrus]

His soul vessels are still working 😭

[marble oasis]

I expect better of you

[foggy stratus]

Not canon.

[wet walrus]

Huh

[foggy stratus]

Respawning isn’t canon.

[marble oasis]

Regardless THK isn't just cracked it's also missing an arm

The soul can only accumulate in its legs at that point

[heavy gyro]

THK will return from the city of steel with a metal arm

[unique tangle]

Smh it’s the only close analogy, otherwise there’s no other example that would prove or disprove the shell having anything to do with being able to gather soul or not

[wet walrus]

It never happens in the story yes but how it happens in hk is the question

[foggy stratus]

Just because it can happen in the game doesn’t mean it can happen in the lore. Is stall ball canon? Inventory drop? All the major glitches?

[wet walrus]

I mean the shell is meant to contain stuff

[wet walrus]

Stalwart shell?

[dire lynx]

We can also see that they have a massive crack on their body, they are in a terrible spot and dont have the strength to fight.

[wet walrus]

Also it isn't that crazy just a core mechanic

[foggy stratus]

What does this mean?

[wet walrus]

Wdym by stall ball

[foggy stratus]

It’s a glitch where you shoot a fire ball at certain slopes and it kinda stalls letting you pogo off it

There’s one in the Crossroads entrance to Fungal Wastes

[wet walrus]

Bro those are literal glitches
Respawn is a core game mechanic

I expected a better comparison

[foggy stratus]

But it doesn’t make any sense. How does TK function without a shade, hm?

[wet walrus]

I am not talking about the story, just how this mechanic goes

[wet walrus]

I am so confused rn

[dire lynx]

lets also add that thk and hornet probably met before the black egg binding, since we now know hornet was a member of the pale court, and dung defender knew thk, also presumably through the pale king in the pale court

[unique tangle]

Yeah but soul is more of a power or a metaphysical substance, there’s no indication that it’s tied to any physical attribute of the body so the shell being cracked doesn’t mean soul cannot be held; we don’t know exactly where or how soul is held in a vessels body

[wet walrus]

The hunter says he has seen on multiple occasions shades

[foggy stratus]

Yes, but that doesn’t mean the Vessel of said Shade is up and moving.

And it’s not our Shade he sees.

[marble oasis]

Soul is absolutely a physical substance we gain considering we fill Soul Vessels with it

Like a physical, measurable liquid

[unique tangle]

Yeah but it also has metaphysical properties given that all bugs contain it and draw upon it as a life force that generally most regular bugs cannot interact with not without specialized techniques

[marble oasis]

It's in the blood but yes it has magical properties

[unique tangle]

Plus it’s also the one of the literal equivalent of spirits, it can contain the metaphysical mind/emotion or “soul” of bugs as seen in the knights spells

[wet walrus]

Shade and sibling is listed separately though

[marble oasis]

and sanctum scholars

[dire lynx]

i love and hate how you can hear the whispering of the dead bugs the scholars use for their spells

[unique tangle]

Yeah and when transferred into the knight or THK what attribute does it take on? If it’s physical then maybe yeah it could be in the shell or some organ and THK being damaged could indicate that they cannot contain soul not at least until their shell heals or something

[marble oasis]

It would be a bit of a spoiler if you get the Sibling entry at the very start of the game lol

[unique tangle]

But if they contain soul as a power or in its more metaphysical form then there’s no reason a broken shell would affect that

Aka it depends on if you think the knight is literally full of soul juice or not I think

[marble oasis]

I don't know about a metaphysical "form"

[wet walrus]

Their description are also different

Far down below us, beneath the kingdom, the air grows stiller and a sense of emptiness pervades. Can life flourish down there? If so, I will hunt it.
Meaning the Hunter only recently found out about the siblings

[unique tangle]

Idk if form is the right term

[marble oasis]

It's just a trait of the substance

[unique tangle]

But just soul as a power

Instead of soul as a substance

[marble oasis]

More power from soul only comes from having more amounts of it

[marble oasis]

the diagram implies it is physically drawing out the liquid to use when it focuses

[unique tangle]

So if the diagram and the HUD elements were somewhat literal then, you think there is some soul vessel or organ inside the vessels that holds soul in its physical form

[marble oasis]

Yea

Probably the head just based off how the hud looks +it's pale

But more realistically I would say it generally perfuses the body

[unique tangle]

Ok then we’ve come full circle, as my first response was that even a damaged soul vessel can hold some soul

Just less

[marble oasis]

THK's head is an awful shape for it

TK's is so much more bowllike

[unique tangle]

Don’t judge their head shape smh

THK is beautiful

But anyways if it permeates the body then idk why the head shape would affect it

[marble oasis]

My corollary theory is that Rad can move THK's body but not command its will which is required for casting spells

Like if she got it to thrust out its arm in the same way that wouldn't cast the pale daggers

[unique tangle]

The infected pillars are kinda odd in that case then

[dire lynx]

the damaged soul vessel is irrelevant, since death isnt canon. The ability to carry soul with it is probably just for QOL/gameplay

not a lore implication

[unique tangle]

They’re basically a spell and even a twisted version of THK’s regular soul pillars spell

[marble oasis]

It's weird that she mimics its old spells

Like the infection spray is the same as pale daggers but clearly not a spell

So I think the infection pillars must work similarly

[unique tangle]

I could get the infection spray since it’s just infection coming from the body but the infection pillars just feel like straight up a spell

[marble oasis]

Why would it be different though

If she can pull out a half assed Infected spell why not use like infection daggers or something

[unique tangle]

Cause just spraying infection from your body is just a simple physical application of the infection

The pillars are like a projection

[dire lynx]

its really weird, im looking at the fight and it seems to be a combination of infection and void

[unique tangle]

Any infected bug could spray the projectiles but none of them could create the pillars

[wet walrus]

Recovery frames in hk apparently also cannon for some reason

Life in Hallownest can be tough, always taking hits and getting knocked around. This charm grants you more time to recover after taking damage. Useful if you need to escape from a tight spot.

[unique tangle]

Soul Tyrant’s spells were mixed in with infection

So maybe THK’s pillars are under a similar principle

[wet walrus]

Yeah soul can be shaped. It can be shaped by the void, the blinding light™, and probably essance and nightmare flames

[marble oasis]

Why are they Void then

[unique tangle]

Uhhhhhh

Just to look cool idk

[marble oasis]

Its old pillars weren’t Void like SS spells used to be Soul and are now Soulfection

[unique tangle]

Maybe the void is from the black egg being torn up by the pillars

[dire lynx]

perhaps the radiance is using the black egg as a medium to transport the infection through, from the hollow knights body

[marble oasis]

wrong reply sorry

[unique tangle]

Not part of the spell itself

[marble oasis]

then where’s the soul

[dire lynx]

there is definitley no soul involved, plenty of orange and black, but no white

im looking at the attack frame-by-frame

[unique tangle]

Genuinely couldn’t tell you which is why I noted that the pillars are the single odd attack

[wet walrus]

I mean soul is the sole thing required to make a living being. So yeah it can be shaped by combining it with both void and infection

[dire lynx]

soul is required for spells though, which is what the discussion was about

[unique tangle]

The pillars just kinda makes no sense if we’re going off your theory that THK can’t use spells cause radiance can’t puppet them to use their soul vessel or something idk I’m not gonna be able to explain this one

They’re just there for hype moments and aura

[marble oasis]

I am also bothered by them

Because the answer is obviously TC didn’t think about it

But we have to come up with something

[unique tangle]

Maybe they’re just bursts of infectious gas

No magic or metaphysical stuff involved

[marble oasis]

Then what’s with the VOID

[wet walrus]

I mean tk can use infected charms just fine. Like glowing womb and probably hiveblood

[marble oasis]

It’s hype moment and aura

[unique tangle]

From the black egg being destroyed

Since the gas bursts up from beneath the floor

And the floor is made of void

[marble oasis]

It’s holding up pretty well

[unique tangle]

It sure is

[dire lynx]

i dont see what this has to do with what i said

[marble oasis]

How are the charms infected

[wet walrus]

I don't think that attack is without soul
Shade soul and ddark are very black

[unique tangle]

Glowing womb is orange ig

[gentle aspen]

No it’s not

The Black Egg is a stone egg

[unique tangle]

which... dissolves into void?

[gentle aspen]

godseeker dissolves into void

is she void?

[marble oasis]

Maybe

[gentle aspen]

No, a void god is leaving the dream realm and liquefying the physical exit

[dire lynx]

you can still see white soul coming out of them

[unique tangle]

being consumed by excess amounts of void is kinda different from just turning into void and melting away i think

[gentle aspen]

the exact same thing is happening in both endings

it’s not different

[unique tangle]

not really, one is being consumed and destroyed by void, the other is turning into void itself

but i can see where youre coming from

i think theyre different

[gentle aspen]

being “consumed by void” is turning into void

[unique tangle]

especially given what we know about the black egg

[gentle aspen]

her physical body is turning into the substance while the knight is leaving the dream realm

[unique tangle]

its interior is filled by void and it drains regular bugs

[gentle aspen]

The only difference is one is a person and one is an object

[unique tangle]

that combined with the ending scene suggests the whole thing is made from void

[gentle aspen]

the egg itself is directly stated to be a stone egg

[marble oasis]

arcane egg:

[gentle aspen]

and we’re told that the bindings drain the person, not void

[marble oasis]

yeah joker i rewatched it and idk what you’re on about here

she doesn’t turn into void

[gentle aspen]

mk

[unique tangle]

oh yea doesnt the void leak out of her

[marble oasis]

she blackens but doesn’t start to drip or anything

void leaks out of her eyes, she starts to go dark, then the tentacles burst out

[gentle aspen]

SHE LITERALLY DRIPS VOID

WHAT

whatever I have better things to do than argue thid

[marble oasis]

Void is leaking out of her like the Love Key bug

Out of her eyes and the cracks in her shell

Not her body turning into it

[marble oasis]

No you don’t

Get back here

[unique tangle]

yeah she shows signs of the void infection like other bugs i dont think we know for certain her whole body turns into actual void and melts away like the egg

again i think the void consumes her rather than her turning into void

theres a difference between acid dissolving a substance

and a substance turning into acid/being acid

i think thats the distinction here

[frosty gate]

One day Joker, I will go into this chat and you will not be in the verge of killing someone over an argument

What's the topic today

[marble oasis]

Right now we’re onto is the black egg void

[marble oasis]

also like what kind of bindings do you think drain hornet but sustain thk or tk

the only bindings ostensibly in there are the seals ON thk

the “space” is built for us

[gentle aspen]

I mean this is just wrong

Wrong channel

[marble oasis]

would love if you could go on

[gentle aspen]

No

bindings and seals are scattered throughout the entirety of the black egg

They’re not only on thk nor even only in that room

[marble oasis]

I grant there are plenty of mysterious runes around but it’s also very very dark in there

And the “space” itself is somehow made for us

Not the “magic” in there is “designed” to sustain your like or something

[gentle aspen]

Those are effectively the same thing

and regardless, being in a void environment doesn’t sustain vessels

[frosty gate]

Sorry to interrupt the flow of conversation

[gentle aspen]

no you ain’t

[onyx jolt]

what role does john silksong play in silksong

[gentle aspen]

what role does reading pins play in you not getting warned?

[narrow horizon]

reading pins plays a role in him not getting warned by allowing him to understand the rules of the channel. if he has proper reading comprehension, he'll then realize what things are and aren't allowed in the channel, and he'd know that asking about John Silksong counts as silkposting/memes.

[onyx jolt]

oh i understand i take back whatg is aid

why are some enemies that arent void still hostile in act 3 after the haunting is gone

[frosty gate]

I made a little doc about Silksong retcons, with some of the retcons that came to mind, why they're a Retcon and if they are a contradiction of previously stablished information or not.

It also includes some insight about what retcons are, since the word retcon has been watered down to "Bad contradiction that I hate"

I'm terrible at organizing so this probably looks like shit to many. To read the comments in a more comfortable way you can go to View - Comments - Minimise comments, then you can click on a retcon in the list and the explanation will pop up

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1662hKYXoaDcnAGwDav55uyO0j3jGQ0YoqHPvyaVEQUA/edit?usp=sharing

If there is a more comfortable way to do this let me know because it looks like Ass in my opinion

[frosty gate]

You are right I ain't

[gentle aspen]

because silksong doesn’t have a state where it is post credits

[frosty gate]

The Haunting isn't gone, Void just took over

[dire lynx]

the haunting IS still active, thats why the void is able to climb up to pharloom

[gentle aspen]

It will always shift you back to before you beat the ending and the void haunting is still active

[onyx jolt]

but isnt gms gone?

[gentle aspen]

in the events of act 3, no

she only dies after we beat lost lace

[frosty gate]

And if I missed a retcon, let me know

[onyx jolt]

shes trapped in the void how is she still haunting some

[gentle aspen]

the reason act 3 ever happens is because she is currently fighting to stay alive

to keep lace alive

snail shamans say as much

[onyx jolt]

oh

[gentle aspen]

Bell Hermit: How else could we hope to trap one of your pale kin? Or see her consumed with such insatiable efficiency?
Hornet: Then you have miscalculated, gravely. The white knight, she fell with the mother...
Chapel Maid: Oh ho... The quakes, yes? We have felt their force, even here. So the mother resists the dark... to save the child?

[gentle aspen]

the way she does this btw is basically making the cocoon at the bottom and repairing it every time it is damaged

[onyx jolt]

oh

[marble oasis]

The Mushroom tablets are different to the Pharloom Herald tablet

The Snail family fixation is on power not Void

It was always implied HK masks were pale ore

[sinful nimbus]

wym

You needed spore shroom to read the Hallonest Herald tablet too innit

[gentle aspen]

?

the style of tablet being different doesn’t mean much

[unique tangle]

the mister mushroom one requires spore shroom too in HK

[gentle aspen]

both written by the freaky mushroom folk

[dire lynx]

hornet was a member of the pale court

[gentle aspen]

hornet is simply

[onyx jolt]

what if the fungal wastes were made from herald

[gentle aspen]

built different

educated and shi

[onyx jolt]

how does hornet know about herald

[marble oasis]

Spawn of self

[gentle aspen]

unlike the boorish ghost

[unique tangle]

the retcon theyre referring to is the tablet even appearing without spore shroom from what i read

not just Hornet being able to read it

[onyx jolt]

HOW HRONET HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HERALD

[unique tangle]

maybe Hornet is just recognized by the shrumal folk

[gentle aspen]

that’s not really a retcon

[marble oasis]

Why would they make it to only appear to mushrooms in Pharloom where there are no mushrooms

[gentle aspen]

hornet can just read shroomish

weavers went back to pharloom pisses me the fuck off I will start ranting again

[unique tangle]

dunno, it just works differently, and if it works differently it technically is a recontextualization of what we originally knew about how they worked

went from needing spore shroom > not always needing spore shroom

[onyx jolt]

didnt they get kidnapped

do you guys think the blackbarrens kingdom is a void kingdom

[dire lynx]

no, weaversong description

[gentle aspen]

we don’t see any returned weavers, dead ot alive

[onyx jolt]

oh

[gentle aspen]

okay but that requires ignoring context

[dire lynx]

"Silken charm containing a song of farewell, left by the Weavers who departed Hallownest for their old home."

[unique tangle]

i think the better question would be why does the Hallownest one need spore shroom

[sinful nimbus]

what?

[gentle aspen]

the reason we need spore shroom is because we can’t understand shroomish

[marble oasis]

I guess

[unique tangle]

given that i doubt pharloom is the only kingdom without mushrooms

[onyx jolt]

what if the knight is just stupid and needs a charm to read shroomish

[gentle aspen]

without it the language is incomprehensible to the knight

[sinful nimbus]

No the text of the tablet literally doesn't show up without it

[marble oasis]

My other points stand

[gentle aspen]

Same thing

[sinful nimbus]

No its not bruh

[unique tangle]

its not about reading it, the tablet just doesnt activate

[gentle aspen]

When I see spanish it’s invisible

very confusing stuff

[onyx jolt]

its because the knights void is sucking up the letters

[sinful nimbus]

when I see your messages they're invisible. blocked!

[unique tangle]

if the knight could read the tablet still without the charm but its all in shroomish then it would be consistent

but here it definitely works differently

[onyx jolt]

whos

omg a fellow unn glazer

[gentle aspen]

based

[dire lynx]

the form of the tablet used by the herald in silksong isnt the same as the projector-ish ones in fungal wastes

[unique tangle]

no but it is the same tablet as the herald tablet in HK

[unique tangle]

yeah that

[marble oasis]

what moler said

[frosty gate]

It isn't, and I'm pretty sure you need Spore Shroom to read this one too

[onyx jolt]

maybe herald had to adapt with the materials found in pharloom so thats why hornet can read the ones in pharloom but the knight needs a charm to read the ones in hallownest

[unique tangle]

they dont call you the zaultkeeper for nothing

[gentle aspen]

who’s moler

[unique tangle]

i think in that case it would probably mean that the hallownest one is the odd one out

[frosty gate]

We have no indicator of that being the case specially since the conversation revolves around void

[gentle aspen]

I don’t see any teeth

[gentle aspen]

Well that’s actually not necessarily true

[dire lynx]

maybe the knight is just stupid and hornet learnt to read

[unique tangle]

like realistically only hallownest has the shrumal tribe with the spore shroom charm

[onyx jolt]

yeah thats what i said

[unique tangle]

most other kingdoms would be like silksong

without a spore shroom to activate the tablet

[gentle aspen]

https://www.tumblr.com/mebis-silksong-corner/810460097738391552/the-fixation-of-the-snail-shamans-isnt-void

MEBI's silksong corner

The fixation of the Snail Shamans isn't Void

there already was a bias towards thinking snail shamans are related to the void because of misunderstanding the way spells are upgraded in Hollow Knight (and because they're black), so when they crafted a portal to the Abyss many understandably went "hmmmmmmm"

And this line of dialogue probably was the last nail in the coffin for many

Don't play daft. You should well know our family's fixations. Surely you had a hunch?

But here's the thing: Hornet didn't know they would use void, and notice how Caretaker says "a hunch"; this doesn't read like "you should've known we love void" but rather "you should've known we like certain things which could include void"

The line right after doesn't read like "void is our favorite thing" but rather "this is the most efficient solution"

How else could we hope to trap one of your pale kin? Or see her consumed with such insatiable efficiency?

In fact, I'd say this isn't their one and only plan, but rather the latest, most extreme one out of a line of attempts...

Tumblr · Mar 7, 2026, 8:22 PM

[marble oasis]

Don’t make me chuckle brother

[unique tangle]

again reiterating points that have been discussed but its not about understanding the tablet or not

[marble oasis]

I have known your kind before, sir. Yours is a tribe that works and trades in power, and I am about to extinguish its prime source.

[unique tangle]

its about the tablet not being activated

[frosty gate]

Hornet: You bound it to that void!

Caretaker: Don't play daft. You should well know our family's fixations. Surely you had a hunch?

[gentle aspen]

context matters

[unique tangle]

and the text not even appearing without spore shroom

[marble oasis]

Void is Power

Void is the Power Opposed

[gentle aspen]

it’s not referring to just void

[dire lynx]

maybe the information is stored in spores, and without the mushroom instincts given by spore shroom modifying the knights biology the simply dont notice they have a meaning

[gentle aspen]

Simple answer

Mushrooms are racist

they don’t fw void creatures

[marble oasis]

The suspicion he’s talking about is founded on:

• Shamans are characterized by having an obsession with power
• They crafted a spell to kill a Pale Being for her
• They were very certain it would work
• What kills Pale Beings like nothing else?

[cunning wigeon]

Maybe the herald specifically wants the knight and hornet to track him down and he deliberately made it so Hornet was capable of reading it without the spore

[frosty gate]

Even so, the tablet would be lit up but still unreadable, with the Charm it lights it up, there's a difference.

[dire lynx]

you didnt let me explain the why

[unique tangle]

maybe but that just means he hates the knight ig

[unique tangle]

cause you fundementally misunderstood the problem

[frosty gate]

I find it amazing how this chat changes from one side of the argument to another depending on the people

Now suddenly Void fixations aren't a retcon, despite this being a topic for 3 months

(Or even more)

[cunning wigeon]

Gotta make the baby work for it

[dire lynx]

the idea that the fixation was on power has been a point for quite a while

[gentle aspen]

People just like

Were wrong prior

me included

[marble oasis]

Goomba fallacy

[gentle aspen]

[frosty gate]

I talked about this a week ago

[marble oasis]

ZOR never held any opinion differently

[gentle aspen]

“Depending on the people”

shutcho bitchass up

[frosty gate]

Not even a week probably

[dire lynx]

who was there tho, same as who is here now?

[marble oasis]

Depending on the people some people still think hornet is void you can’t take people being wrong as being indicative of anything

[gentle aspen]

never done v ups
seems annoying

[frosty gate]

I'm pretty sure none of yall, maybe River?

[dire lynx]

well theres ur answer as to why theres a different concensus :]

[unique tangle]

i think the main contradiction doesnt come from the snail shamans having a fixation with power, that much is consistent with HK

its more of the snail shaman just outright stating that the abyss/void is a power in which their kind never thought to look

as in they have never thought about the abyss at all when making spells

[dire lynx]

they are separate groups with no contact, what one does is completely disconnected from the other

[marble oasis]

Hallownest shaman doesn’t speak for all snails

At best this is an addition not a contradiction

[unique tangle]

yea thats the best explanation for this

[sinful nimbus]

ts is a retcon don't let thenm tell you otherwise

[unique tangle]

but then hornet should not be expected to know what caretaker was going to do

so caretaker is just misconstruing what he believes that a being like hornet should know

[marble oasis]

She should have considered it as a possibility

[marble oasis]

For the reasons listed above

[gentle aspen]

dumb ahh

[frosty gate]

Snail Void fixations number 1 hater has arrived on scene

[unique tangle]

maybe it couldve brushed her mind, but if her knowledge is limited to HK shamans and HK shamans dont think to ever look into the abyss i could see her coming to like the same conclusion all of us did

before silksong came out

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe the game was just blatantly lying to us

[dire lynx]

silksong* number one hater

[sinful nimbus]

They put an NPC that gives exposition about their tribe and made him blatantly wrong and never addressed this fact

Not a retcon technically

[marble oasis]

Like yeah if you talk to someone who you don’t think has a gun but they’re like “I’m 100% sure I can win this fight against a guy with two feet and 100lbs on me” you might start to wonder

[unique tangle]

hornet shouldnt have been expected to know the snail shamans were gonna use void in the same way we wouldnt know

[unique tangle]

i mean maybe but also pharloom is a new land, and from a meta perspective its a new kingdom

who knows maybe the shamans of this land came up with some new non-void superweapon to kill GMS

[marble oasis]

The Pharloom snails also behave very differently to Hallownest snails

They don’t have mounds

[gentle aspen]

disgusting

[marble oasis]

They kill people

[unique tangle]

TC could have very well chosen to expand on the lore with new ideas rather than draw upon previous concepts

[gentle aspen]

I mean

[marble oasis]

They ain’t your grandma’s snail shaman

[gentle aspen]

so could the regular shamans

[marble oasis]

For soul

[unique tangle]

the snail shamans couldve been having hornet build a soul nuke for all we know

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah from the players perspective its also total BS because it was never established that if you want to kill a pale being you need to use void

[marble oasis]

But to not even consider the possibility of Void

[sinful nimbus]

They just go "Oh you shouldn't known that genius" while also attributing it to their nature as shamans

[gentle aspen]

why would she

[marble oasis]

The Void which as we all know is below all things

[unique tangle]

yeah we have a sample size of one

which like

isnt great for coming to conclusions

[gentle aspen]

they’re using a not at all related thing to void

[marble oasis]

It’s the power opposed this really isn’t that big a leap in logic

[gentle aspen]

it very much is a leap in logic to need things related to shamans and weavers and then suddenly summon a portal to the void

[unique tangle]

like i said i dont think she never thought about it, but its more of "its unlikely that she wouldve had void as the obvious solution in her mind"

given what she/we know

[marble oasis]

Sure

[unique tangle]

i dont think she would be expected to know as if it were obvious from caretaker's phrasing is what i mean

[marble oasis]

They didn’t expect her to know though

He says surely you had a hunch

[gentle aspen]

holy nitpick

[unique tangle]

the phrasing still seems as if he expected hornet to KNOW that they were gonna use the void

[marble oasis]

Not really

[unique tangle]

but i concede that it isnt as sharp of an accusation

[marble oasis]

She acts completely surprised and he’s like come on man this didn’t come out of nowhere

[unique tangle]

yea... wait doesnt that support what im saying

thats what im saying

he expected her to know and not be surprised

[frosty gate]

I feel like even with the Dialogue Hornet has talking about power is like

[unique tangle]

when it wasnt a realistic expectation

[marble oasis]

It was a realistic suspicion

[frosty gate]

"You trade on power, I know your kind"
So it means she knows of them and what they do.

But then she says "You bound it to that void" and Caretaker talks as if she should've assumed they would've used void

[marble oasis]

He only expected her to be able to guess and be like “I should have known” after the fact

Which, should she actually? No probably not

[frosty gate]

Like first she talks about how she knows them and then she acts like she wouldn't know about that

So, either Hornet is stupid

Or Ancient Mound Snail is stupid

[unique tangle]

In which we agree that surely no one is stupid and let’s just call it a retcon

[gentle aspen]

everyone’s an asshole

[marble oasis]

She acts like it was an incredibly stupid and dangerous thing to do which is why she didn’t think they would do it

[unique tangle]

SS tells us something new about the snail shamans that we couldn’t have realistically known about them just from HK to the extent that it even contradicts much of what we learned in HK

[modest kraken]

First orifice formed in all of us was the arse

[near jasper]

Whats the topic rn

[frosty gate]

No no, Ancient Mound Snail is stupid and it is also a Retcon

[marble oasis]

Neither are stupid

[frosty gate]

Retconsong, run

[unique tangle]

No matter how you cut it I think that qualifies as a retcon

[marble oasis]

Caretaker is an asshole

All snails are assholes really

As far as we know AM snail is the only good one

I hate snoids

[unique tangle]

This would be so much simpler if HK snail shaman had only said “my family”

[sinful nimbus]

Caretaker has a heart of gold

[unique tangle]

Not “my kind”

[gentle aspen]

I mean

[marble oasis]

Maybe am snail isn’t good either…

[gentle aspen]

maybe they didn’t know their family extended past hallownest?

[marble oasis]

He deliberately misled us

[unique tangle]

We should kill him

[near jasper]

Yeah Hes from the citadel gold is seeping into the body of everyone

[unique tangle]

Side tangent about the snails

When do they appear in the pharloom timeline? Surely before the citadel.

Maybe even before the old hearts?

[dire lynx]

confirmed older than citadel

they were chilling in the chapel before the citadel came down and they all spread out in/of fear

[unique tangle]

I don’t mean our current three snails ofc I mean their entire group in pharloom

[dire lynx]

yes

[near jasper]

Holy shit the caretaker page on the wiki is missing so many citations

[spark valve]

they spread out during the haunting, their ancestors still populated the chapel when the citadel was operating since there are recipes calling for pilgrims

[unique tangle]

Caretakers speaks as if the snails have been in pharloom a longgggg time

[marble oasis]

ancient civ…

[dire lynx]

the line "This building's state is a sad example of those who'd dare suggest another path" wouldnt really make much sense outside of the citadel coming down on the shamans

[near jasper]

The snails are probably some of the regular bugs that live the longest

[marble oasis]

wouldn’t suggest another path mean they came up with it in response to the citadel

[unique tangle]

Real?

Snail civilization theory…

[marble oasis]

Snivilisation…

[dire lynx]

their path existed and after the citadel rose to power didnt want any others

the way the karaka or verdanians lived could also be considered "another path"

[dull agate]

Is the moth who gives dream nail the only moth left?

[dire lynx]

yes

[marble oasis]

regardless they were never actually suggesting another path for the pilgrims

[near jasper]

Living yes

[marble oasis]

any benefit was for the snails alone

[dull agate]

until they die 💀

[near jasper]

Yes

[dull agate]

So moths have gone extinct

[marble oasis]

yeah

[frosty gate]

Which is the problem with both Snails families, they speak like they are talking of their entire kin

[unique tangle]

Just taking that phrase out of context makes it seem like it came after but I think(?) taking her dialogue all together as a whole it’s suggesting that the chapel came before or roughly while the citadel religion was just starting

Since her followers were basically converted into citadel pilgrims

[dull agate]

After we beat absolute Radiance does the infection permanently go away?

[unique tangle]

Is what she’s saying

[near jasper]

Yes

[gentle aspen]

Yes

[dull agate]

Do the bugs infected like come back?

[marble oasis]

nah they’re dead

[dull agate]

Or do they just explode or sthn

[frosty gate]

You could say she is bound to her place

[near jasper]

If they werent husks

Probably

[dire lynx]

depends on the state of their infection

[dull agate]

Wait wouldn't that mean that the mushroom area would just like be an empty place

[marble oasis]

I still don’t believe they ever had actual followers

[gentle aspen]

the vast majority are resurrected corpses
only recently infected have a chance

[marble oasis]

They were killing and draining pilgrims

[dire lynx]

reanimated corpses are obviously dead, but recently infected could recover

[frosty gate]

The Snails?

[marble oasis]

yes

[near jasper]

Nah the unconscious fungi will just grow back the normal mushrooms eventually

[unique tangle]

Ok but pilgrims aren’t their followers

[dull agate]

What about the soul sanctum pekple

[marble oasis]

?

[near jasper]

Dead

[unique tangle]

Pilgrims are the rival religion

[dire lynx]

all dead

[dull agate]

What about traitor lord?

He just accepted it to gain power

[unique tangle]

By the fact of being pilgrims it means that they follow the citadel religion

[near jasper]

Dead to get to radiance lmao

[marble oasis]

i use pilgrims to mean those species of bug

[unique tangle]

And thus aren’t followers of the snail chapel

[dull agate]

Who's alive then

[unique tangle]

I don’t think pilgrims are a species of bug

[near jasper]

Myla probably

[dull agate]

Wait yeah

[marble oasis]

I mean the little round dudes in rags

[dull agate]

Wait no

[near jasper]

Sly and bretta if you didnt save them

[dull agate]

I think it's cannon that the knight kills myla

[marble oasis]

[dull agate]

He has no feelings and myla got in the way

[near jasper]

Not really

[marble oasis]

0 for 3 btw

[dull agate]

Wdym

[near jasper]

They know how to jump past holes shes not really in the way lol

[marble oasis]

Not a he, it has feelings, and she wasn’t in the way

Now could it slime out myla for the hell of it? maybe

[dull agate]

Even though the knight doesn't have a gender I feel like it's fine to say he

[unique tangle]

Yeah they’re pilgrims but ofc they’re also just bugs so what I’m saying is I think the snails didn’t kill any of their followers (regular bugs) they only killed pilgrims (regular bugs of the citadel faith)

If I’m wording this right

[near jasper]

Ok cool lets never turn this into a big discussion cuz itll suck

[marble oasis]

Where did they get Soul before the Citadel came along then

[wet walrus]

I predict too

[unique tangle]

Same way the shamans of hallownest got their soul

[dull agate]

So the planet that these rake place on

[wet walrus]

Isnt silk also soul?

[unique tangle]

Beastly bugs have soul too

[dull agate]

Is there like a liquid core

[unique tangle]

They can always drain those

One of the lore tablets mentions aknids directly

[dire lynx]

void

[dull agate]

Cuz there's water and void at the bottom

[near jasper]

Yes its called the abyss

[marble oasis]

Why switch to sapient beings then

That’s not very nice

[dull agate]

Could hornet find the knight in the abyss again

[unique tangle]

Cause the citadel destroyed their church ig

[dull agate]

Or was that just pure luck

[near jasper]

Maybe

[unique tangle]

The stilkin do the same as revenge

[gentle aspen]

what do you mean

[dire lynx]

big ruckus from gms fight and everbloom

[dull agate]

Well the knight saves hornet and lace

[gentle aspen]

hornet didn’t find tk though

[dull agate]

But she loses the everbloom

[gentle aspen]

She was kinda unconscious gng

[marble oasis]

Snails got what they deserve for trying to ally themselves with butchers like that

[near jasper]

If she drops some 10 cubic meters of soul there again maybe the knight will go check It out

[marble oasis]

And then the Stilkin got what they deserve too

[dull agate]

And there's no more snail shaw men

[unique tangle]

But the gauntlet…

[dull agate]

Wait are there more in pharloom?

[unique tangle]

The gauntlet will live on

[dull agate]

There's the dead guy

[near jasper]

Dont think so

[gentle aspen]

this gotta be racist

[marble oasis]

It’s funny to think that TK didn’t specifically rush to Hornet’s aid but instead was like what’s all that fucking noise

[unique tangle]

It’s racist only against stilkin

[wet walrus]

How do we know which bugs are infected/ensnared and which ones are reanimated?

[dull agate]

What happens to elder bug

[near jasper]

We dont

[marble oasis]

No difference

[near jasper]

Old

[marble oasis]

Full Infection melts your brain

[dull agate]

And the old stag

Wait the events of gms did that shake the whole world or just pharloom

[marble oasis]

Fucking bilesuckers

[near jasper]

Just pharloom

[dire lynx]

"oh lol, its you stirring up trouble again sister"

[modest kraken]

Her ass was so thicc it sent shockwaves through Pharloom

[dull agate]

WOAHHH

[wet walrus]

Tf

Even I am not this weird

[near jasper]

Skill issue

[wet walrus]

😭

[dire lynx]

just pharloom

[marble oasis]

GMS do got that silk behind tho

[dull agate]

😭💔😭😭

[tawdry flare]

Are we doing this in lore today

Great

[near jasper]

Do you think silk is salty

[unique tangle]

What IS she doing with all that thread storm back there?

[marble oasis]

Not too much on big thread storm please

[dull agate]

Wgat creature is lace considered

[dire lynx]

got to cover up with something

[tawdry flare]

Silk

[dire lynx]

silk golem

[near jasper]

"weird silk lady"

[dull agate]

Could hornet make one

[wet walrus]

Pk got that rizz with a silk spider who hates him

[near jasper]

Maybe

[dire lynx]

doubtful

[near jasper]

Probably no

[dull agate]

But she bound gms

[marble oasis]

For the sake of the agenda I’m saying yes

[near jasper]

But eva exists so really cant be too sure

[wet walrus]

Annoying yarn of silk

[marble oasis]

Weavers made Weaversong after all which is basically the same thing on a smaller scale

[near jasper]

In that ending yes

[unique tangle]

If we take off a portion of lace and make a smaller lace

Is that lace’s child?

[dire lynx]

hornet specifically draws a distinction between lace and the weaverling

[marble oasis]

What distinction

[dull agate]

Are there infinite silk hearts?

[marble oasis]

Probably not

[wet walrus]

Lets try out

[near jasper]

If we take lace's silk and make a second lace is that still the same lace

[dull agate]

How are they made?

[marble oasis]

dunno

[wet walrus]

Yeah, asesual reproduction it is called

[marble oasis]

My chud daughter that I hate

[unique tangle]

No that’s called Theseus’s lace

[dire lynx]

the type of life they are

Sir, I have opened the way above these halls, and bested the white knight that stood as guardian.
Child of the monarch, she claimed herself at the end, and her shell suggested it true, a being born purely from Silk woven tight.
That such a feat is possible... I have seen life woven from Silk before, but tiny, transient... Never like this...

[near jasper]

If we take a lace and eventually replace all her silk with new one, Is that the same lace? What if you made a lace out of the old silk which is the original lace

[marble oasis]

I forgot about dat

[marble oasis]

She is continuously replacing all her silk so

What if you took Lace and flipped her inside out

[near jasper]

How did lace having a silk heart work

[near jasper]

Thats probably some sort of crime

[dire lynx]

actual type of reproduction known as fragmentation, so yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragmentation_(reproduction)

[marble oasis]

This but instead of human heart it says silk heart and Maki is Lace

Idk who naoya would be

[unique tangle]

Caretaker as he passes lace by on his way up about to silk and soul grandma

[copper sphinx]

hi

[near jasper]

Would a lace born out of normal bug's soul spun into silk still result in a similar being

[near jasper]

Hello

[dire lynx]

heyo

[marble oasis]

I guess but she wouldn’t have that connection to GMS

[dire lynx]

depends own whos spinning the silk

[copper sphinx]

ups wrong chat I js starteddd playing hk not even close to here lol

[marble oasis]

Plus you could never make a being like Lace out of only one bug’s soul

[wet walrus]

Can Radiance and Unn reproduce sexually?

[dire lynx]

if you think about it, every time hornet casts a spell, heals or summons a whisp (ignoring silk hearts) she is using the soul of another bug to spin silk

[near jasper]

Yes

[tawdry flare]

What are we talking about gang

[near jasper]

Except if you have egg of flealia and weavelight

[unique tangle]

If Hornet combines her silk with lace to create another smaller lace would it be a chud daughter of both of them?

[dire lynx]

yeah, but you get what im saying right

[near jasper]

Yeah

[dire lynx]

hornet wouldnt be able to make a higher form of life like lace, also lowk creepy since lace is a kid, can we steer away from that convo

[wet walrus]

They are both female even though their creations were born asexually. Maybe a male essance hb can have an offspring with them like the good couple pk and wl.

[marble oasis]

Radiance probably not she’s a dream

[near jasper]

Could an eva like being be made to be used as a vessel for hallownest

[wet walrus]

Does it require an entire city of steel to function?

[dire lynx]

eva is pretty much a more fragile, but more intelligent kingsmould/wingmould, so i dont think so

[near jasper]

I think the ridges in the weaver spires, evas shell and the first sinner whatever her deal is are meant to be like the ridges in soul totems

So the soul inside can be trapped for a near eternity

[dull agate]

What kind of bug is trobbio

[sinful nimbus]

butterfly

Yon butterfly of crimson grace,
All bells shall peal, and voices raise,
When brave Trobbio steps, at last, upon the stage!

[dull agate]

Are his wings real?

I like how there's some rarer species in sk

Ladybug and butterfly

[covert night]

additions and expanding upon the lore is not harmful. the most critical retcon is seems to be shaman lore

[dull agate]

The shaw men are mysterious

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah retcons aren't always bad

[twin dragon]

The tablets dont trigger without spore shroom that's the thing

Chat

having a retcon isnt the end of the world

You don't try to suck it up as a non-retcon when it very obviously is

[whole holly]

that's not case in silksong, you can tell that many things weren't accounted for in hindsight, primarily little weavers

[twin dragon]

Most silksong retcons arent bad

Little weavers are also an unconfirmed instance i'd argue

we don't know if weavers attempted to spread their seed with deepnest fauna

even if it is very hard to do

[whole holly]

nobody is saying that most are, just specific thing

[frosty gate]

Oh we're still on the Retconsong topic, good to see

[twin dragon]

The long talk

[whole holly]

little weavers are unaccounted for in HK lore now, we don't know if they are Spider Tribe or Weavers

[twin dragon]

We've never been told about their origins

yeah they don't have to be weavers aswell

they could be another species that had some similarities to pharlids

[whole holly]

most assumed they were weavers but now we are clueless with addition of lore, which is bad

[twin dragon]

They also seemed quite a bit different to weavers

which raised even MORE questions

[whole holly]

new lore raising questions are frustrations over previous lore is mostly net negative

[twin dragon]

Both now and before they were confusing

[near jasper]

Little weavers are probably just stolen weaver clothes on a random bug

[twin dragon]

yk what could help? the hunter's journal saying anything of substance about them

so we could actually determine if it is a retcon or not

Genuinely hate nothingburger entries

[near jasper]

They were very high status and mostly unknown about so you could probably pass of as one for a short time

[near jasper]

Yeah

[whole holly]

They are more confusing now

[near jasper]

Legit when I was finishing the journal in silksong I had to check if one of the entries was copy and pasted

[twin dragon]

We've had no substance before, we have no substance now

assuming they were weavers raised a ton of questions

You can call it a net negative but it barely changes anything

[whole holly]

We could draw conclusions that we can’t be sure about now, we don’t know if they are spider tribe or weaver tribe but back then they pretty clearly were intended as weavers

[twin dragon]

These little weavers also were the supposed children of the weavers, but they didn't seem very connected

[whole holly]

i think they are spiders who look like weavers

Despite having "Weaver" in their name, none are actually found inside the Weavers' Den.

[twin dragon]

Yeah

[whole holly]

also they are Nimble spider that traverses its domain on thin strands of web. Often waits in ambush.

[near jasper]

Its probably just stolen weaver clothes

[near jasper]

So real

[whole holly]

so their identity is distanced from Weavers

[whole holly]

they don't need to steal weaver clothes specifically, Deephunters clothes are similar too

[near jasper]

True

[twin dragon]

On the everbloom point, i'd say that everbloom is a retcon for a different reason, the everbloom doesn't seem identical to the delicate flower, and it could be an advanced stage of wtv life cycle the delicate flower has, though, WL says that the everbloom is the only thing keeping the void away from the pale family, which isn't true as seemingly a potent light source will do

[whole holly]

it seems Weavers despite being different species are part of Spider tribe, they assimilated into their culture it seems

[twin dragon]

They js found lookalikes and named them after them

[near jasper]

The everbloom we get is being cared after by a root god its obviously gonna be a stronger version than the one from the mourner

[whole holly]

Everbloom itself is durable but void-warding power is less potent that Delicate Flowers which makes Void disappear?

[near jasper]

I mean it could also make void disappear we're just litterally swimming inside void theres not that much it can do

[twin dragon]

Idk what happens there honestly

it's not clear

[whole holly]

Deepnest had statues of Spider which resembles stalking devout, it areas near distant village

maybe that's statue of Deepnest's Sire

[near jasper]

What if hornets memory of the everbloom was just shitty

[frosty gate]

Oh yeah I didn't make the doc to speak ill of the retcons, I think a lot of them are ok, it's just to clarify what is a retcon, which topic is a retcon and why are they a retcon.

The word retcon is commonly used to speak about things that contradict previous information

[twin dragon]

What if there's not a single type of X

[frosty gate]

Yeah the "Means to repel the void" is just a total Retcon.
While the other is a nice theory, it's still up to debate if it is an Alteration or an Addition.

[frosty gate]

Wdym

[near jasper]

This is how fonts were invented

[frosty gate]

It would be the opposite considering hers resist more tbh

[twin dragon]

abt the everbloom

Also, the pk had these flowers?

I mean the gray mourner does but like

[frosty gate]

I mean they could've just been like younglings or something but now they're just a blank space

[frosty gate]

So it seems, according to Red Memory

Despite us not seeing a single fucking flower

In the entire White Palace

[twin dragon]

the grey mourner could've taken them with her

since the kingdom was dying

[near jasper]

The kingsmould we dream nail ate the everblooms thats why his void exploded out

[frosty gate]

I mean, presumably she brought them as an outsider and gave them to the King prior to the Kingdom dying

Or maybe we are looking at this wrong and DF and Everbloom are similar but not the same

[twin dragon]

Safe to assume that they're similar

Not much evidence to go by but i'd call them related even

[twin dragon]

Maybe they were lost upon the palace basically dissapearing and entering the dream world

as the palace seems like a mix of the king's mind and the actual place itself

[unique tangle]

And so he none of them in the workshop….

Where he experimented with void

It just makes no sense

[candid linden]

is Mr Mushroom a pale being

[unique tangle]

No

[twin dragon]

I mean his own glow would've been enough to keep it at bay methinks

[unique tangle]

Ah yes the power of the pale being would repel the one substance explicitly stated to be anti-pale being and efficient at obliterating pale beings completely

Makes sense

Also again WL says the flower was their ONLY means they know to repel the void

[near jasper]

No hes blue

[unique tangle]

Not that her husband could do it too naturally but it’s also good that they had this handy flower for backup

[near jasper]

And beige

[frosty gate]

Maybe he carried it with him

[whole holly]

is this Deepnest Sire?

[unique tangle]

Ig but it’s still the same issue with all of these “theories”

[frosty gate]

To be fair, I got a theory about that

[unique tangle]

That there’s nothing to back it up

No flowers in the palace

[near jasper]

Yk whats probably an example of retconsong? This karak in spirits glade

[frosty gate]

Actually nevermind

[unique tangle]

No flowers found on pale king’s body

No flowers anywhere

Despite them being so insanely powerful

[whole holly]

does that mean Spirits Glade are part of canon?

[unique tangle]

You’d think they’d want as many of these things around as possible after building the palace right next to the abyss

[frosty gate]

To be fair, this is so specific that I don't even consider this shit retcon, it's just nice

[near jasper]

This guy somehow guessed the karak design

Its not even khanns backer

[frosty gate]

Guessed?

Dude they probably based it off of that

[near jasper]

Yeah

[frosty gate]

Fuck I'd make a fucking garden right at the entrance

[unique tangle]

Real (real)

[whole holly]

do we have information about this statue?

[unique tangle]

The spiders built it

[whole holly]

who does statue depicts? does Elina say anything about this statue

[unique tangle]

No idea we have nothing beyond that

[whole holly]

what does filename say?

[unique tangle]

It’s not like we got any additional info about these statue things in silksong

[whole holly]

if you are aware or anybody

[unique tangle]

And they were a mystery back then so they are still a mystery now

[whole holly]

i think they depict Deepnest's Sire

[frosty gate]

I know this is Hollow Knight and not Silksong but can we like

Kill Emilitia

[candid linden]

whos that

[near jasper]

Sure go for it

[whole holly]

how can we search assets names of hollow knight games?

[near jasper]

The laughing flower woman

[candid linden]

kill her why

[frosty gate]

Why the fuck is she alive it makes no sense, someone reminded me of her existence and I'm pissed

[candid linden]

oh

she rejects it

lol

[near jasper]

She nuh uh'd death?

[frosty gate]

It's not the fact that she rejects the Infection, that's fairly normal

But she's not old

At all

She doesn't speak as she is old

She doesn't look old in comparison to other bugs of the same type that actually look old

She's older than Elderbug

[midnight zinc]

It’s a Devout

[near jasper]

Did you know that hollow knight Silksong

[midnight zinc]

To be fair, Ogrim is also just a normal bug and he doesn’t seem to have aged that much

[whole holly]

stalking devout being depicted as statue in my opinion is weird, if Deepnest Sire is same Species as Stalking Devouts(which may be reason why Devouts started worshiping herrah after kings death) it would make sense

[frosty gate]

It gets worse with Emilitia

What a curious specimen. Hah! Though even its pure aura is no match for the light of our dear King.
Keep your faint flora, bug. I've enough of my own to tend and surely you'd agree that mine are far finer.

[midnight zinc]

I mean cool theory I guess, there’s nothing in the game that indicates that’s what that is

[frosty gate]

Ogrim is not a common bug

[unique tangle]

Incredible work from team cherry

[whole holly]

it certainly is possibility

[edgy nebula]

pretty sure he is

[midnight zinc]

Yes he is

[edgy nebula]

is there anything that states he isnt

[midnight zinc]

Emilita doesn’t know what Everblooms are, she’s saying that its actual glow isn’t as bright as the king.

[frosty gate]

Ok I think it's just me

But when I say Common bug I don't mean a non higher being

I mean a Bug that looks like literally every bug in their enviroment

Elderbug and Emi look of the same species

[midnight zinc]

Do they?

They’re vaguely humanoid, that’s about it

[dire lynx]

they really dont, elderbug looks more like zote then emilitia

[twin dragon]

How is it naturally anti pale being

a fucking lighthouse was enough to quell it

[twin dragon]

this is a retcon

[frosty gate]

These are common bugs for me

[unique tangle]

How else could we hope to trap one of your pale kin? Or see her consumed with such insatiable efficiency?

And also void is the power opposed

[edgy nebula]

remember when sos first got revealed and everyone thought it was a godseeker dlc lmao

[dire lynx]

who thought it was godseeker?

[unique tangle]

Things that never happened?

[near jasper]

Do you mean like mid trailer airing or

[frosty gate]

There's nothing notable about them, idk the look perfectly common

[twin dragon]

A razor sharp liquid would shred anything to tears yes

[frosty gate]

Idk, I hate to explain this because I know it's just me

[near jasper]

I mean frey is probably wearing a mask

[twin dragon]

Pk's workshop most likely also worked with small samples

it doesnt take the entire void sea to make a kingsmould

[unique tangle]

Let’s not be obstinate here

Chapel maid is talking about pale beings in particular there

[silk dirge]

is void measured in liquid units

[twin dragon]

It's one way to do it yeah, but it's not explicitely anti pale beings

[silk dirge]

what would like

a liter of void

[twin dragon]

it's anti fucking everything

[silk dirge]

be

[unique tangle]

But it is anti pale being

[near jasper]

Did the absolom weavers ever do anything useful with void except being eaten

[silk dirge]

she tried

[dire lynx]

pretty much every character we meet is a common bug, individuals like ogrim are still members of a broader species and are nothing particularly special. If we saw more members of ogrims species you would probably think the same of him

[silk dirge]

she clearly had a few issues lol

[twin dragon]

But it is not...

[unique tangle]

Chapel maid just said it is

[twin dragon]

She literally doesn't what

she says the void is potent enough to do something against them

[near jasper]

Who are you talking about

[silk dirge]

absolom

[unique tangle]

How else could we hope to trap one of your pale kin? Or see her consumed with such insatiable efficiency?

[dire lynx]

no, like most weavers, she was a useless bum

[twin dragon]

Yeah this doesn't imply that the void is explicitely anti pb

[silk dirge]

weavenest karn is still so funny to me

[unique tangle]

But it is anti pale being

[twin dragon]

But it's not

it was never mentioned as being such

[unique tangle]

It consumes them and opposes their power

[silk dirge]

mf really thought she would be taking down gms with sharpdart

[twin dragon]

It consumes anything twin

and how tf does it oppose their power lmfao

[unique tangle]

Ok and pale beings are in the category of anything

[near jasper]

Did we check

[twin dragon]

The void is indifferent to eating pale beings compared to everything else

That's the most practical way to do it

[unique tangle]

Last I remember yes

But it might’ve changed ig

[silk dirge]

are pale beings in the set of everything

[twin dragon]

everything except light apparently

[near jasper]

Void probably likes eating pale beings a bit more because they have soul

[twin dragon]

and the everbloom

[whole holly]

yeah, pale beings are more potent with soul, which void likes consuming

[twin dragon]

Eeeeh

[whole holly]

wdym?

[twin dragon]

I don't think it has preferences

it just eats

Obv the more the better, but it's not gonna pick

[silk dirge]

Pale Beings ∈ E where E is the set of everything

sorry im going to a discrete math final rn lmao

so im thinking about shit like this

[near jasper]

Why didnt we just give the void a silkheart to keep it fed? Are hornet stupid

[silk dirge]

yes

[unique tangle]

We gave it a silk to keep it fed

[twin dragon]

ts is like giving a rolex to a trillionaire

[whole holly]

wdym, it doesn't eat rocks ? just void

[whole holly]

we don't need another Void Hearts

[unique tangle]

It sure ate those platforms tho

[silk dirge]

can we ask tk how weaver platforms taste

im curious

[whole holly]

yeah but i think they only tried to eat hornet that's why platforms were eaten

[near jasper]

Yes

Good luck getting an answer from a vessel

[unique tangle]

God I hate how characterized the void is in silksong now

It’s kinda just a pit of worms now

Hungry worms

[dire lynx]

Hornet: "...It is the void, stretched up into this world and its husks. I know it well, that force, its nature. If it senses soul, it will drive voracious towards it."

[twin dragon]

Yeah it would consume any lifeform equally

[twin dragon]

Living beings have soul ye

[twin dragon]

son

when wasn't it a hungry pit of worms

[unique tangle]

I mean what happened to “no lord, or power, or strength, but to the very darkness itself”

[twin dragon]

That's what it is

ever consuming darkness

[unique tangle]

Worms

[whole holly]

why did you disagree that it has no preference over soul? they consume living beings because of it

[near jasper]

Hows that a lord power or strength

[twin dragon]

I've never said that, im saying that they won't pick X over Y

if they have more soul

[unique tangle]

Exactly

[silk dirge]

devourers of gods you could say

[unique tangle]

The void is so silly now

[twin dragon]

it would go for both

[silk dirge]

my life is ruined i cant meme devourer of gods anymore because they made it an actually good boss 😭

[twin dragon]

When we're talking about wtv they consume

[unique tangle]

It’s a pit of worms that gets angry when it gets no food and when it misbehaves the shade lord punishes them

[whole holly]

their senses activate over soul, though

[near jasper]

Wait

[twin dragon]

that's a curious interpretation of an unstoppable force that basically exists to consume everything

[twin dragon]

Yeah but *more * soul won't change that fact

[near jasper]

The reason we got close to the knight is probably the cocoon was at an anhle

[whole holly]

how did Absolom even manage to get it in jar

[unique tangle]

She wore gloves

[twin dragon]

she somehow did what?

[near jasper]

Theres void in jars in the weavenest

[twin dragon]

is this actually real i've never paid attention

[near jasper]

Its hard ro see but its there

[twin dragon]

This opens the wildest can of worms that i did not expect to find

[whole holly]

ofc, gloves are only thing that can stop the void, pale gloves in fact

[twin dragon]

how the fuck?

why

[unique tangle]

Yeah remember to always wear PPE

Gloves goggles and a face mask

[whole holly]

it is sad that we can't activate Weavenest Absolom's power same way we can for other weavenests, it has been degraded over time and void it seems

[near jasper]

Absolom probably took the void from gargant gloom spit

Thats a pretty ok way to do it

[twin dragon]

You turn the lights on and suddently the voidslop starts chasing after you like a rabid dog