sk-lore

[foggy stratus]

Cornifer.

[whole holly]

lol, yeah, it is getting out of hand

[unique tangle]

Tell one side they’re right and the other side to stop or something

[terse warren]

what?

[fallow rose]

😭

[unique tangle]

Why are you asking me that

[gentle aspen]

🫤

[finite wind]

This is ridiculous 😭

[terse warren]

literally what's going on

[gentle aspen]

Can you…tell us…the issue?

[foggy stratus]

Someone keeps sending Spanish screenshots and expecting people to go find a translation in their own language instead of just them finding an English screenshot.

[sage geode]

as a lone spectator this is hysterical

[fallow rose]

fr

[gentle aspen]

Ok

[unique tangle]

There are people getting upset over posting Spanish screenshots

[foggy stratus]

It probably is tbh.

[onyx ruin]

lol I think it’s cool lol

[finite wind]

Dw, this is hysterical to me too

[gentle aspen]

send stuff in english please

[whole holly]

read down from here i guess

[unique tangle]

And people getting upset over the screenshots being posted in Spanish

It’s in the convo above

[finite wind]

I play the game in Spanish and have been sending SS in Spanish for over a month and nobody's complained

[onyx ruin]

Genshin pfp!!! Hiii : D

[finite wind]

So yeah

[gentle aspen]

ok
send stuff in english please

[whole holly]

who said they were upset? are you empath?

[foggy stratus]

Well people are now. Your point?

[unique tangle]

No I’m a mind reader

[finite wind]

That I'm not stopping because of you

[unique tangle]

I have the dream nail irl

[foggy stratus]

A mod said to send things in English.

[whole holly]

sure...

[gentle aspen]

Okay, well I just told you to stop

So stop

[foggy stratus]

-# is he gonna argue with a mod?

[whole holly]

that wasn't problem, problem was somebody laughing and making some kind of laughing remark because i didn't know Spanish

[onyx ruin]

At this point I’m confused why this is arguing still…

[fallow rose]

this is such a non issue

[onyx ruin]

I DONT KNOW SPANISH EITHER THATS LITERALLY WHAT I DID

I gave advice based off what I DID

[finite wind]

I like to share a lot of stuff that I find in my game so I'm not gonna bother translating it or searching for the image in English or a wiki description or whatever. People just tend to ask me for the English translation or look it up themselves but this guy just said I can't share my ss, never asked for a translation or anything. I also play on ps5 so there's no way I'm doing anything on the files. If you want to ban me for that, go ahead.

[wet walrus]

So guys what exactly is the moral of the Silksong story?

[onyx ruin]

XD

[gentle aspen]

it’s not really an issue, yes. However, it is against server rules and allowing this to continue would simply set a poor precedent

[foggy stratus]

Mothers suck, nothing lasts forever, TK is still lurking and stalking when you least expect.

[whole holly]

why laughing though?

[whole holly]

Fathers suck too, at least Zote tells us that in HK

[wet walrus]

https://tenor.com/iglLLI3lwfZ.gif

[onyx ruin]

It’s not a literal laugh, it’s like “lol” used for like EVERYTHING

[foggy stratus]

No, nothing I’ve seen would say fathers suck.

[onyx ruin]

It’s context based like “lol”

[wet walrus]

The weavers are fatherless so the cause of the events of ss would be fatherless behaviour

[dire lynx]

pale king 100% valid and virtuous

[wet walrus]

Same for hornet

[foggy stratus]

Hornet does have a father tho.

[whole holly]

Zote's father and how hornet describes his father

[wet walrus]

Ofc he aint innocent with all of those buzzsaws

[wet walrus]

Is he present tho

[foggy stratus]

Maybe. I dunno.

She spent time with WL so it’s possible she spent time with PK.

[wet walrus]

Wl is alive tho
Pk isn't

[onyx ruin]

Wait huh? Who Zote dad???

[sage geode]

you literally see PK walking away from hornet with barely a glance

i dont think hes present

[wet walrus]

He has both mom and dad though we never see

[onyx ruin]

Oh thx

[foggy stratus]

They were alive at the same time. Hornet spent time with WL in the past, so she might have spent time with PK in the past.

[sage geode]

in red memory PK deliberately walks away from hornet without barely a glance

[foggy stratus]

Also Hornet has memories of Wingsmoulds so she likely spent time in the White Palace, where the PK was.

[foggy stratus]

Wait really?

[sage geode]

yes

[wet walrus]

Where

Send ss

[foggy stratus]

Of what?

[dire lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-gif-4169442390448293969

[sage geode]

what

i swtg i saw that happen

[dire lynx]

nope

[wet walrus]

He walked away from tk

[sage geode]

pk was in red memory tho wasnt he?

[dire lynx]

pk is never seen in all of silksong

[sage geode]

not even a siloutte?

[dire lynx]

nope

[onyx ruin]

. . .

[sage geode]

damn

[onyx ruin]

And the Spanish argument just… dropped?

[sage geode]

yes

[onyx ruin]

XD

[sage geode]

no one cares abt it

[onyx ruin]

It was funny to watch tbh

[sage geode]

go argue in your dms or smthn

[foggy stratus]

Topics change, the guy seemingly left and he got told off by a mod.

[dire lynx]

nobody cares abt it,, mods resolved and none of the offended continued the topic

[onyx ruin]

All I know is the orange person dropped a message and then it all just dropped without anything more

That’s y I asked

[sage geode]

back to lore tho

[wet walrus]

Pale Chad and Pharloom slop cannot be in the same game

[sage geode]

waht

huh

[sage geode]

i don’t understand the wording of this

[dire lynx]

thats why they redesigned hornets base crest

[onyx ruin]

Basically said “Pale King and Silksong cant be in the same game”

[sage geode]

ok

thank you

[onyx ruin]

Ye

[sage geode]

wait why

im stupid

[onyx ruin]

Idfk

[sage geode]

XD

[wet walrus]

You see Hallownest isn't flooded with bells and instrument yet has actual goated soundtracks

[dire lynx]

anywho, i dont see why pk wouldnt be present in hornets life, he seems to have loved his kids and family, and considering shes a part of the pale court its not like he didnt value her or distance himself from her

[sage geode]

well thats because they had completely different leaders

i was talking abt red memory specifically

[wet walrus]

It makes sense. Hornet was born as a bargain between Herrah and him. They hated each other and Deepnest had tensions with Hallownest.

[sage geode]

agreed

also the fact PK isn’t present in red memory further supports this

oh what

nvm disgreed

i didnt read it right

[onyx ruin]

We wanna talk about how he basically sent off his wife (WL) into Queen’s Garden to hide his secret of making a bunch of CHILDREN to try sacrificing them to save his kingdom and fail to save his kingdom? Plus the entirety of this could’ve been avoided if his ego was smaller (aka when he refused to leave the moth tribe alone and rewrote himself as the god instead of Radiance causing her wrath to spread the Infection on Hallownest)

[sage geode]

by my knowledge he seems to have focused most of his attention on the vessels and THK so why would he be there

we barely even see hera

[dire lynx]

i dont think the absence from the red memory is that significant, hes excluded because it doesnt follow the themes of the game, motherhood in particular

[sinful nimbus]

huh?

[sage geode]

fair ig

[onyx ruin]

LORE

[dire lynx]

this isnt true, pale king didnt even know of the radiances existance until the infection, the moths turned their backs on her of their own volition

[sinful nimbus]

White Lady going to Queen's Gardens was self imposed as she explains in her dialogue

Do I seem prisoner here? If so, it's not by any choice but my own. These bindings about me, I've chosen to erect.

There is some shame I feel from my own part in the deed and this method guarantees it cease.
I still feel that urge you see. I always will. A voracious desire to spread seeds upon the land, to propogate myself, to breed.

[sage geode]

that still doesnt disprove the idea of PK not being around tho

[sinful nimbus]

The moths following the Pale King was also of their own volition as explained by Seer in her final words

[onyx ruin]

Listen I get my lore mixed up okay TwT there’s way too much of it

[dire lynx]

im just saying you cant use his absence from the red memory as proof he wasnt present in hornets life

[sage geode]

ok fair enough

[onyx ruin]

Started playing to slash bugs and kill a sun goddess, not a 8 hour dissertation on how Watcher Knights are reanimated by Infected swarms of flies in order to stop the Ghost from killing off the Watcher person

[sage geode]

i felt that it was important considering its in game footage of hornets childhood

thats all

[sinful nimbus]

I do think its plausible he wasn't involved in her life though

[onyx ruin]

And thus freeing THK and killing Radiance eventually

[dire lynx]

WL calls the pale king her beloved wyrm, thats a pretty strong wording to use when talking of someone you havent seen in literal ages

[sage geode]

definitely

[wet walrus]

Second makes no sense.
1st Hbs don't need worshippers to survive. It is what they like to do because they are divine beings. This also gives them strength as well as uniting their people. Pale King had good relations with Unn and whole thing would be avoided if radiance simply negotiated.

2nd the moths did this with their free will. This "betrayal" was a turning point that led the establishment of hallownest (according to seer).
You can even go as far as saying rad wasn't a good ruler of the moth tribe considering those moths honoured the memory of passed ones but not her own.

[onyx ruin]

Thirdly we’ve been over this already, already apologized for mixing up my lore

[wet walrus]

I am sorry I wasn't focusing

[dire lynx]

because herrah was put to sleep very shortly after hornets birth, they didnt have any time to spend together, this is also why hornet cant recall herrahs actual face as she only saw her with the dreamers mask post infancy

[onyx ruin]

U good, just scroll up a lil

[sage geode]

i was unaware of the put to sleep part

but it does make sense

[wet walrus]

That made no sense btw. Considering hornet has seen her mask

In first game

[dire lynx]

no, the dreamers mask isnt herrahs actual face

[sage geode]

the time frame of hornets birth and herrah’s sealing cant be that far apart

it would make more sense

[wet walrus]

Herrah doesn't even show her face in the cutscene
Just a mask on a cloak

[sage geode]

herrah doesnt show her anything near her face in the cutscene, only her main body the head is blurred out

[dire lynx]

Thats why its all weird and fuzzy over the rest of her body, hornet cant recall her real face. Herrah says so herself.
"...But to recall these words, in time so far... Will you even remember me, child? Could you?...
...A mother... before the mask... before I lay forever in duty..."

[wet walrus]

Damn did herrah ever look like this?

[dire lynx]

wdym?

[wet walrus]

Freaky bug

[dire lynx]

red memory

[onyx ruin]

Gimme

[dire lynx]

give you what?

[onyx ruin]

…

[wet walrus]

Why most bugs in hk have horns

[dire lynx]

it looks good and allows for distinctive and recognisable character designs

[sage geode]

idk just a design choice ig

[dire lynx]

sorry, im bad at understanding people, irl and online

[onyx ruin]

I am too

U good

I was basically thirsting lolll

Just a thirst joke

[dire lynx]

OH-

😭

mb

[onyx ruin]

XD

[wet walrus]

Is the Pantheon of Hallownest order strictly from weakest to strongest?

[onyx ruin]

No, no no, the last few bosses are random order

[dire lynx]

not strictly, but generally yes

[wet walrus]

It doesn't make sense at certain points

Markoth is above soul tyrant

[dire lynx]

for example, i dont think sisters of battle are weaker than flukemarm or marmu

[onyx ruin]

100%

[wet walrus]

Failed champion is above grey prince zote 😭

[onyx ruin]

Wait this is SK lore, why are we HKing???

[wet walrus]

Silking it

[onyx ruin]

XD

[dire lynx]

sk lore is for hk and silksong

[onyx ruin]

No need to cry, u good lol

[onyx ruin]

Ohhh oki

[dire lynx]

hk is just spoiler free zone, silksong lore isnt supposed to be used there

spoilers isnt the main reason for the exclusion, but part of it

[onyx ruin]

Wait sooo SK lore is both HK and SK lore???

Then y have HK lore???

[dire lynx]

hk lore ignores silksong stuff

[sage geode]

how do you know all of this??

[dire lynx]

its how the channels are used, i essentially only engage in lore discussions on this server

[sage geode]

well ok

[karmic mason]

Guys i know that hornet is in hollownest in hollow knight but in silksong its in a diffrent bug nest kind of thing how does this happen

idk the lore

[onyx ruin]

What???

[karmic mason]

like we are in a diffrent place in silksong

[onyx ruin]

Yes

[dire lynx]

grand mother silk controlls citadel bugs to abduct her from hallownest and bring her to pharloom

[karmic mason]

oh

[dire lynx]

did u watch the opening cutscene for silksong?

[karmic mason]

i just skipped lol

[onyx ruin]

And the dumbed down version is “Hornet got kidnapped”

[dire lynx]

yee

@karmic mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkmC-ULdLAQ

[karmic mason]

oh

[dire lynx]

That cutscene along with this choral commandment should suffice:

Decree of the Citadel, dirty and worn.

"Full Chamber to the kingdom of the White Wyrm. Claim the Weaver, in half part. Last of their line. Sensed strong with Silk.

Resistance anticipated. Quell with rune cage."

hope that makes sense now

[spark valve]

Bugs like these crossed the caves to bring me to Pharloom. I cut down many before my capture. Then I had thought them minded and cunning. Now I can see the singular will that haunts them all.
and the envoy journal entry establishes that this was done under gms's will

[dire lynx]

yaa

[karmic mason]

got it ty

[dire lynx]

happy to help

going to be now, is late and am sleepy, gnnn

[onyx ruin]

Gnnnn

(U sent me friend request?)

[dire lynx]

didnt want to foregr who u r, bad at remember name

u very nicr

[onyx ruin]

Thank youuuu!!!

[near jasper]

Do you think the silksoar change will be used in sea of sorrow

[whole holly]

i think so too, it think that QoL atmosphere will integrate with Sea of Sorrows DLC content in some form

but in Sea of Sorrows i want boss to not only be plasmified but powerful species of some kind? what do you guys think Team Cherry will introduce?

[near jasper]

Plasmified pablo

[foggy stratus]

I really want more bosses like FS that just don’t stay still. Favorite kind of boss in Silksong tbh.

[twin dragon]

I want the lifeblood infection to be retconned

for it not to be an infection but symbiosis

[near jasper]

Unretcon joni by retconning the plasmium shit

[twin dragon]

or parasitism

[twin dragon]

Its alr in

And plasmium replacing your body could fit in well with wtv joni is

instead of posessing corpses

[whole holly]

i want Joni to be retconned to be alive and traveled to pharloom bay

[twin dragon]

Joni on her way to contribute nothing to the lore

[whole holly]

true, she deserved more information

[twin dragon]

Honestly? im fine with retconning shit like this

Shit that tc kinda left on half assed

but

[whole holly]

i am not

[twin dragon]

if the retcon itself is good

in this case it isn't

[whole holly]

Joni suffered

[twin dragon]

and?

what does that lead to?

what does this tells us about lifeslop entity or wtv

[whole holly]

from unfinished story

[twin dragon]

Incomplete

"Oh yeah joni is a heretic because lifeslop is forbidden"

this is literally told us by salubra and sm1 else

[whole holly]

i don't think anyone else says that? do they?

[twin dragon]

Salubra says its looked down upon i think

smt along the lines

[whole holly]

taboo i think

[twin dragon]

similar

[near jasper]

Yeah

[whole holly]

she says it is bit of taboo

honestly i am frustrated that they didn't just address Abyss Creature in Hollow Knight first game, it easily could have been

[foggy stratus]

They didn’t wanna tho.

[twin dragon]

lifeblood lore is much needed honestly

now that i look at it

[foggy stratus]

I wanna know if it’s a widespread thing or if Hallownest and Pharloom were oddities.

[whole holly]

me too

[twin dragon]

Maybe this is a bit of a nitpick

but

i expected more from the surface in silksong

[whole holly]

me too

[twin dragon]

since the climb and the ambience feel so "nobody has been here before"

[whole holly]

and Abyss as well

[twin dragon]

Yeah

Wish we got like

a weaver lab

[near jasper]

I think its slightly spread around most kingdoms but pharloom and hallownest have it grow more than the rest

[twin dragon]

since theres nothing in the weavenest

[whole holly]

there is broken weavenest in mount fay

[foggy stratus]

Plasmium/Lifeblood rifle should be added.

[foggy stratus]

And Weavenest Murglin

[whole holly]

no, what? why?

[near jasper]

Silksong's path of pain should be from elegy of the deep on a weaver in cindril

[foggy stratus]

Why not? It’d be cool wouldn’t it?

[whole holly]

you mean throwing infection at enemy? not really? there are many biohazardous red tools already

[foggy stratus]

There’s always room for one more.

[twin dragon]

this wouldnt work

it would roid the enemy

[foggy stratus]

You overload their systems with Lifeblood so they basically melt kinda.

[twin dragon]

that shit just replaces and adapts

[whole holly]

Zango uses it as projectiles and hurts us but i don't think many players would want to throw slop at enemies

[twin dragon]

ugh

wtv

its lifevenom

or smt

idfk

[foggy stratus]

Have the lifeblood rifle use the polip flowers to make it poisonous.

[twin dragon]

tc give us godhome i want to radhog another game

[whole holly]

i think Lifeblood Abyss Creature was supposed to be either parallel to radiance, blackwyrm or abyss boss in original planning, they don't seem to serve any purpose that we know of

[twin dragon]

blackwyrm isnt a thing

i mean it is but it isnt

the only thing related to blackwyrm is the name

[foggy stratus]

Maybe they were planning on expanding on it in the Hornet DLC, which obviously became Silksong.

[twin dragon]

Please tc, if you're not gonna use it, retcon it

[whole holly]

battle of blackwyrm exist i agree it is filler lore but still there is possibility

[foggy stratus]

Why?

Why retcon it for no reason?

[twin dragon]

because it dandles as incomplete pointless lore

there's a reason to retcon it

[near jasper]

I wonder if every natural species has a pale variant

[twin dragon]

for it to fit in

and do something

[whole holly]

i think lot can still be addressed by memories that explain thinks

[twin dragon]

What if pale beings are manufactured in factories with unpaid workers

[foggy stratus]

Probably not.

On second thought actually…

Hmm…

Nah still probably not.

[whole holly]

that would imply that not all wyrms are pale, or there is Lady like species similar to GMS that produce thread

[near jasper]

I mean

Blackwyrm

[twin dragon]

What if silksong showed us how a god is artifically made

[foggy stratus]

I mean the usage the term ‘Pale Wyrm’ does imply there are non Pale Wyrm’s.

[twin dragon]

and the final boss was a fabricated gms

[whole holly]

i kinda have hypothesis that everblooms come from pale being variant of Nyleth so i kinda get your reasoning

[twin dragon]

or false final boss

[twin dragon]

saying shit now

[whole holly]

i agree

[whole holly]

what? flowers are special in HK

[twin dragon]

Yeah but it doesn't have to be nyleth

there's like zero connection with em aswell

[whole holly]

i meant pale being similar to nyleth's species

[twin dragon]

I mean

if that hypothesis were to be true

[foggy stratus]

Nothing would indicate there are multiple Nyleths and we know they come from “The Lands Serene” wherever the hell that is.

[twin dragon]

and maybe nyleth isn't a single species

[whole holly]

Isma and Nyleth both seem like Plant like species

[twin dragon]

an amalgam

[twin dragon]

Doesn't equate them both

their body shapes are also very very different

[whole holly]

okay Pale Being could be in lands serene

[whole holly]

i meant pale being that is plant-like

[foggy stratus]

Yeah but they seem pretty different, seeing as Isma started small then grew super large and became part of the wall while Nylth still retains full mobility. Plus they both look insanely different.

[twin dragon]

But it's not nyleth or has to be related yk

It could be john glowing flower

[whole holly]

i never said it was nyleth, i said variant, kind of how White lady and Greyroot are both root species

[foggy stratus]

Yeah but nothing says there is. We know nearly nothing about it beyond what Ze’mer says, which is limited. Possible? Yes. But we don’t know so it’s also possible there isn’t.

[twin dragon]

Variant doesnt also equate species

[whole holly]

i only said it was possible

[whole holly]

variant is word i used to mean similar, they could be just as similar as greyroot and white lady are(meaning that despite being similar species they don't have too look that much similar)

[whole holly]

also both Greyroot and White Lady are roots and look vastly different

[foggy stratus]

-# (WL and Greyroot aren’t particularly similar tbh)

[whole holly]

that is my point, they don't have to be

[shy sorrel]

What happened to the chef in sinner’s road?

[modest trail]

Its funny to me that some characters are canon hybrids, like some have no other bugs that look like them

[plain ruin]

What do you mean

[modest trail]

like Pave or Trobbio

nothing like them anywhere else

[shy sorrel]

Disgraced?

[plain ruin]

They used to be a chef in the Citadel, but they did some kinda culinary crime that saw them expelled

[foggy stratus]

Pretty sure he committed culinary crimes against the citadel and was sent back to his home of Sinners Road.

[plain ruin]

“Culinary sacrilege” as Loyal Mergwin calls it

[shy sorrel]

Oh

[foggy stratus]

Probably made British “food”.

[candid linden]

how did the citadel even capture hornet at the begining

ahes super skilled and she was in deepest like what

did they fight all of deepest

[modest trail]

she was called to the citadel

[candid linden]

whys she in a cage

[modest trail]

cause she captured

let happen

[candid linden]

huh

she let herself be captured

[modest trail]

https://tenor.com/view/just-a-theory-matpat-fnaf-movie-matthew-robert-patrick-gif-8650789653163891524

a game theory

[foggy stratus]

She wasn’t called back.

She got captured somehow.

Likely in a similar manner to how she’s brought to the Slab.

[plain ruin]

She definitely didn’t let herself be captured

She was worn down while fighting off Envoys and the like

Like Dryya

[foggy stratus]

“If I’m going down I’m going down swinging”-Dryya Hornet

[blissful harbor]

ganged up on her then once they had their opening hit her with a rune cage

[foggy stratus]

I like to think it took like 150 something of them to wear her down enough to be able to rune cage her.

[candid linden]

someone explain the Mr Mushroom lore

[craggy smelt]

caps and shells may fall to dust,
but Mr Mushroom readjusts...

[whole holly]

i actually have started to wonder what Mister Mushroom actually is

is he a higher being

[craggy smelt]

the highest being

[whole holly]

this also makes you think too

[craggy smelt]

literally too, MM flies real high up there

[craggy smelt]

this guy I think is some kind of Shrumal bigwig, but I don't think they're a higher being

[whole holly]

is Mister Mushroom creator of Mushroom Tribe: "Spawn of self, their minds unite"

[craggy smelt]

yes

[whole holly]

i wonder why he didn't join hivemind and abandoned his children

[craggy smelt]

which is a pretty 'higher being' move, if we're being serious

[whole holly]

yeah, i was hoping to discuss this seriously

[craggy smelt]

unlike other HBs, he doesn't seem interested in ruling, but he's more driven to be the 'herald' of ages in kingdoms changing

whether it's a compulsion or a choice on his part

[whole holly]

Nightmare Heart, Unn aren't conventional rulers but what even is master herald

also if he is Higher Being in any tangible way why didn't Godseeker's sense him?

even Lifeblood Creature managed to get in Godhome

[craggy smelt]

the Heart is certainly the master of the Troupe, and Unn created the mosskin and Greenpath - they have creations and authority over them
MM seems respected by the shrumal, but doesn't appear to be involved with them at all, not even on the level of something reclusive like Unn

[craggy smelt]

they don't have a sporeshroom charm

or MM is evading their tuning, like White Lady, but even more skillfully

[whole holly]

in that can Pale King isn't involved with his children either, White Lady too

[craggy smelt]

but they did reign over the kingdom they created
(their specific offspring were kind of dead, and created for a specific purpose only anyway)

[whole holly]

i think resonance is too universal but yeah i think your second explanation would be likely

[whole holly]

you can't assign universal type of Authority due to how much they differ in Higher Beings, some are parental, some are cult leaders/puppet masters some are monarchs

it is weird that Fayforn also seems to respect Master Herald, which is unique connection lore-wise, also Fayforn is aware of presence of GMS and aids Hornet in defeating GMS in her way

we need more Fayforn information i guess, i hope we get Godhome-style DLC that explains everything

[craggy smelt]

it doesn't mean he's not a higher being, it would just make him an atypical one, given how often they do seem to establish hierarchies

[whole holly]

Fayforn and Lifeblood creature seem intentionally elusive

[craggy smelt]

people are very taken with Fayforn

Lifeblood creature is mysterious and seems very insidious now, in light of Plasmium lore

I hope Sea of Sorrow does expand their lore

[whole holly]

my point is that there is no "typical" higher being due to how much they differ, and hierarchy/central authority they form is unique with every single one, even with Mister Mushroom his title of master herald suggest hierarchy and fact that such hierarchy commands respect and reverence for him by his children and even Fayforn

what's interesting is that Fayforn is seemingly revered by Weavers

[craggy smelt]

MM doesn't appear to get directly involved in the way that HBs do though - for all the differences in Hallownest, Grimm Troupe, Greenpath, etc. their HBs are there, in the thick of things
whereas MM is traveling around

I do think this line is interesting in light of things like the Mask Maker having some kind of magical sight

I've no mind for outcomes. Always my vision is too clouded by the present.
Only the journey... the now. For myself, that is the purpose, and as far as my sight can see.

[deft wagon]

When talking about the snail shamans in silksong, is there any dialogue or anything that mentions "Soul" like in Hollow Knight? The snail shamans in Hollow Knight were pretty tightly connected to it, and many of the "shaman" related charms mention it as well. But in Silksong, the shamans don’t really mention it, aside from the quest "Silk and Soul" and the Soul Snare trap. So my question is: is there any mention of Soul in Silksong in the same or a similar way as in Hollow Knight?

[whole holly]

he is meta character yeah

[foggy stratus]

Groal uses a similar spell to Vengeful Sprite and Silk is just a physical medium for Soul.

Kinda I guess then?

[twin dragon]

Yeah they're not variants

[whole holly]

they are different varieties of root

[twin dragon]

Shaman tablets in their hideout i think

[twin dragon]

But they're not variants of one species

they're root like but that's where their similarities end

"oh yeah everything in hollow knight are variants of bug"

[rotund pulsar]

Question, are soul spells shaped by one's being? Cuz why does groal's vengeful spirit have no eyes but thk's does

[twin dragon]

His usage is very crude

[whole holly]

they are varieties of similar species

[twin dragon]

he's just spitting that shi

[twin dragon]

root isn't a species

[rotund pulsar]

perhaps

[whole holly]

whatever creature or type they are, it doesn't matter, they have both root like biological characteristics

[rotund pulsar]

what makes you say that?

[twin dragon]

That's about it, really

just as most bugs share those characteristics

doesnt mean they're related

[rotund pulsar]

I always thought they looked kinda similar

[twin dragon]

What's there to believe otherwise

[rotund pulsar]

Despite not being the same

[twin dragon]

For all we know grayroot could've taken over something else before its root like shape

[rotund pulsar]

I mean even in the real world, plants have species so I don't see why roots won't

[whole holly]

biological characteristics does mean relation, like how wyrm and weavers are species

[twin dragon]

Every bug in hallownest shares them

doesn't mean they're the same species

[whole holly]

they can be different species in same biological category

[whole holly]

???

[twin dragon]

You just can't group WL and grayroot in the same category

[twin dragon]

Antennae, limbs

eyes

God forbid tc makes a character slightly similar to something existing

[rotund pulsar]

your reason being?

[whole holly]

white lady is referred to as root, like how pale king is referred to as wyrm

[twin dragon]

They're wildly different from eachother and theres nothing connecting them besides the fact that they LOOK like roots

[twin dragon]

Does that mean that WL and grayroot are related in any way shape or form?

[whole holly]

White Lady is stated to be a root

[whole holly]

they can be biologically grouped closer than say regular bug for example

[rotund pulsar]

I didn't say their connected I just said they are different species of one category which is root

[near jasper]

It took a whole chamber, thats like the entirety of the high halls gauntlet

[twin dragon]

Yeah but theres nothing else...

[rotund pulsar]

It's like how ants, bees and mantises are different species of insects. Not related but insects regardless

[whole holly]

does there need to be?

[twin dragon]

I mean WL is a higher being mind ya

[whole holly]

exactly

[twin dragon]

Yeah, for you to reach these conclusions you'd think there should be any evidence at all...

do you group wyrms and groms in the same category?

being worms

[whole holly]

so what? Pale King is higher being but he is still part of wyrm species which is said to be species by bardoon

[rotund pulsar]

This doesn't stop them from being roots. one is just a root higher being. unn is a higher being but that doesn't mean all slugs are or molluscs must be higher beings to be in the same category

[twin dragon]

what

[whole holly]

tell me you don't understand how genetic lineage works without telling me you don't understand how genetic lineage of species works

[twin dragon]

Mate you're basing your entire point off of looks

[rotund pulsar]

I'm saying WL being a higher being doesn't automatically remove her from the category

[twin dragon]

this is the equivalent of relating nuu to unn

actually

that might be...

the name's reversed!!

[twin dragon]

And when did i say such?

Im pointing it out as a substantial difference

[rotund pulsar]

nuu uun / unn nn

[twin dragon]

Well, not exactly

but it's similar you see!

it must be the case

unn is nuu's mother

[whole holly]

i didn't claim they are exact same, just that they are similar species....

[rotund pulsar]

your response was misleading

[twin dragon]

Similarly looking...

[twin dragon]

You interpreted it as such

[whole holly]

it doesn't have to end at similarly looking , they are inevitably more related to each other than any other known species in hollow knight world

same with Isma and Nyleth

[twin dragon]

Do you consider nuu and unn to be similar

[blissful harbor]

not at all the same thing

[twin dragon]

They're both slugs

are there any other slugs

[blissful harbor]

nuu is a kissing bug

[twin dragon]

shit

[whole holly]

you used higher being status against species being related, Pale King might indeed only higher being wyrm

[blissful harbor]

and yes, salubra is a slug

[twin dragon]

Saline

WHo tf

[blissful harbor]

my phone hates hk names

[twin dragon]

Anyways i can make my point with salubra and unn

[whole holly]

Salubra is slug but unn and nuu's species aren't stated...

[twin dragon]

Yeah higher beings can be their own separate thing

[twin dragon]

Yes the example was flawed

[whole holly]

not inherently

[twin dragon]

Now im comparing unn and salubra

[twin dragon]

We don't know what or how they're originated

[near jasper]

Greyyroot and white lady are also fixated on having children

[whole holly]

unn and salubra aren't similar, unn doesn't have confirmed species

[twin dragon]

Greyroot is fixated on rebirthing herself over and over what

[blissful harbor]

they just aren’t the same, cause Unn isn’t technically a slug
same way Rad is not a moth
they just like like that because that is their inspiration

[whole holly]

yeah , propagation is similar

[twin dragon]

Neither does WL, "root" isn't a species

[blissful harbor]

i mean

[near jasper]

The time of birth is half her entire dialogue id say thats close

[blissful harbor]

clearly it is
idk why assume it’s not

[whole holly]

it is, Knight is born of Wyrm and Root

[blissful harbor]

what makes you think Greyroot is not a root

[twin dragon]

Yeah but if you've played the game you would know what she meant

[twin dragon]

Im not saying she isn't what

root is a much broader category

Even if you use the "unn isn't directly called a slug" argument, that's pretty stupid as... what else could she be

They're both more slug than any other bug in the series

[blissful harbor]

she’s an unnamed species
she’s a god
that’s like saying again, that Rad is a moth because of her appearance

[whole holly]

?? if you think root is broad category what problem do you have with both White Lady and Greyroot being considered both roots

[twin dragon]

So is white lady, even if vaguely namedropped as "root"

doesn't make her inherently related to grayroot

[blissful harbor]

sure, but there are a lot more similarities between the two than say Unn and a confirmed slug like salubra (who looks wildly different)

saying there isn’t is closing your eyes and saying “nuh uh”

[twin dragon]

Their similarities only come down to looks

[foggy stratus]

Pretty sure lemme check.

[whole holly]

they are relatively similar species, same as nyleth and isma, but they are both root-like

[twin dragon]

they do look more similarly because of the knotted shit and stuff

but that's where they end

[twin dragon]

Have you seen how isma looks like

compared to nyleth

[whole holly]

it is about as vague as wyrm being namedropped(not vague at all)

[blissful harbor]

both are related to birth
both live in a hut made of roots
both hsve an eye shape seen nowhere else
both are plant-sequel creature, again, seen nowhere else
and both share a “wrapped” theme in their design

[rotund pulsar]

How is unn not a slug?

[random harbor]

Pale King - General - Pale King White Fragment

...Soul of Wyrm. Soul of Root. Heart of Void...

@lexmolten used /npcs quest name: Pale King category: General dialogue: Pale King White Fragment

[rotund pulsar]

And the radiance not a moth?

[blissful harbor]

you say it’s just looks like it’s not pretty damning stuff

[foggy stratus]

Tada!

[near jasper]

Unn is probably a slug

[blissful harbor]

Rad created the moths in her image
it’s like how the christian god looks like a human but he is not

[twin dragon]

White lady's sphere isn't really very similar to wtv grayroot's living in

[blissful harbor]

she looks nothing like the slugs we know

afawk her species doesn’t have a name

[foggy stratus]

She’s outright called a Root.

[rotund pulsar]

Where did you even hear or see that the Christian God looked like a human?

[blissful harbor]

both are made of roots

[blissful harbor]

ok i’m not gonna get into religious shit, yk what i mean

[twin dragon]

And "related to birth" is very vague, one's a parasite that takes over its host and the other one had lots of kids due to the circumstances

[rotund pulsar]

and the wiki calls the radiance a moth

[near jasper]

Humans were made in gods image

(Source: bible™)

[twin dragon]

Both unn and salubra are slugs

even if less similar

i can draw the same comparison

[blissful harbor]

the almighty wiki, written by other users
again, she created the moths, she literally cant be one herself

[whole holly]

they are both plant-like species, do you even know what we are arguing, sherma and myla are both bugs, even though they have nothing in common other than being visibly insects, same logic applies to White Lady and Greyroot, they have biologically similar trait in sense they they have physical root like body

[blissful harbor]

you assume unn is a slug, her species isn’t named

[rotund pulsar]

Aren't wikis written based on confirmed sources?

[sinful nimbus]

god was a weird eldritch thing that held earth at his fingertips with a chisel and hammer in the other hand I thought

[twin dragon]

It's not a dumb thing to assume at all lmfao

[whole holly]

unn is unnamed species though

[blissful harbor]

not that part, Rad is never stated to be a moth in game going by that logic

[twin dragon]

And the god... is also a fraud...? you say?

[rotund pulsar]

I don't know dawg. If this ain't a slug I don't know what is

[foggy stratus]

Dear god…

[whole holly]

it is when Salubra is slug

[whole holly]

team cherry thinks this is slug instead:

[twin dragon]

WL's species isn't even outright stated, her physical properties are mentioned

[foggy stratus]

As we all know, slugs are well known for their oddly large lips.

[twin dragon]

Hold on

[foggy stratus]

She’s called “Root” in the same manner PK is called “Wyrm”.

[blissful harbor]

she’s called a root multiple times the same way PK is called a wyrm

[whole holly]

wdym? White Lady is referred to as root in same way PK is called a wyrm

[twin dragon]

Are you three the same people repeating your shit or

[random harbor]

Pale King - General - Pale King White Fragment

...Soul of Wyrm. Soul of Root. Heart of Void...

@lexmolten used /npcs quest name: Pale King category: General dialogue: Pale King White Fragment

[sinful nimbus]

Wyrm is also used as a title for PK

[blissful harbor]

surprisingly, when there is one answer people will say it

[whole holly]

i am laughing right now

[foggy stratus]

Yes we are a hydra sharing one brain.

[sinful nimbus]

No real reason to assume this is a species

Maybe a type of being if you think of Greyroot

[twin dragon]

Thank you

[foggy stratus]

Doesn’t change him being a Wyrm.

[whole holly]

Bardoon kind of proves that wyrm is species or type of beings inhabiting world, even if you assume it is broad category along with root, it still supports our main argument that both greyroot and white lady are roots

[near jasper]

Hornet Is also a Hornet

[twin dragon]

Do they look similarly? sure! does that mean they're related? idfk! probably not but tc could pull a "this is actually a lesser being of this but it's this thing because it looks cool"

[foggy stratus]

-# I more so believe that Greyroot and WL are different species that look alike due to some convergent evolution shit

[twin dragon]

Their designs are based off of roots yeah

no shit

[twin dragon]

Doesn't mean root has to be

[whole holly]

they don't have to be same species they could be still be same biological category

[foggy stratus]

Hornet is a spider raised by a bee queen who has the name of like a wasp I think.

[twin dragon]

Grayroot is probably her own species

[whole holly]

if it is mentioned in same context as wyrm, it most likely is

[twin dragon]

The higher being point, they're wildly different from anything else

[whole holly]

what would they have conveniently evolved from?

[twin dragon]

they're lookalikes, but how they biologically behave is fundamentally not similar

[near jasper]

Greyroot And white lady are probably like lions and cats

[twin dragon]

as far as we know

[foggy stratus]

I dunno.

[twin dragon]

we don't even know what are WL's attributes as a hb

we don't know how Hbs pop out

[near jasper]

Theyre definetily a different species one is a parasite but theyre related to a point

[foggy stratus]

Different species.

[whole holly]

so? they can still be same broad category of roots, they are closest things to each other

[twin dragon]

So is salubra and unn

name me a character that's more sluggish

[foggy stratus]

The bell heart snail shaman kinda.

[whole holly]

not really , Salubra would be close to Sylphean Slug more than unn

[foggy stratus]

Yes he’s a snail but he’s more slug than fucking Sulubra.

[twin dragon]

my buddy you dont know how that shit looks

you've possibly seen it's shell but that's it

[sinful nimbus]

Salubra is a sylphean slug

[whole holly]

do you think White Lady developed root-like traits and her species evolved from plants and Greyroot evolved from mollusc?

[twin dragon]

Ari gibson is void

[whole holly]

i know that it is a slug, unlike Unn who is unnamed species

[sinful nimbus]

Salubra's Blessing=Aerial apparation=Sylph
Sylphsong=Infinite Soul
Salubra=Slug (confirmed in Wanderer's Journal)

[twin dragon]

What could unn be

i wonder

yk

[near jasper]

Bald rat

[twin dragon]

Even if it's just a broad category

[whole holly]

i don't know and i don't care

[twin dragon]

it's actually an example convergent evolution that evolved into a slug lookalike, it of course, started off as a crab

Even if she's not directly called a fucking slug

you can see that she's a fucking slug

Your point uses surface level similarities

[whole holly]

Nudibranchs which despite being known as sea slugs are completely unrelated to slugs

[near jasper]

Its weird how pious isamor is the only rusting thing in the entire citadel

[twin dragon]

This doesn't help your point as things can be falsely named

[twin dragon]

That's a relic of old ye

[whole holly]

she could be Velvet Worm too

[twin dragon]

Unn is a crab

[near jasper]

Not even any part of the underworks is rusty

[twin dragon]

everything is a crab

are you not a crab yet?

become one

[twin dragon]

It's too clogged with dust to see the rust

[twin dragon]

It is painfully obvious what tc intended with her design twin

[sinful nimbus]

Unn isn't a slug believers in shambles btw

[whole holly]

we don't see full body of unn so she could be velvet worm

[twin dragon]

even if she isn't NAMEDROPPED as a slug, doesn't mean there's anything sluggier

[twin dragon]

This is a massive stretch

[whole holly]

you are wrong according to Team Cherry

[twin dragon]

Other than the sylphean slug but we don't know how that shit looks like

[sinful nimbus]

Salubra is explicitly called a slug

[twin dragon]

Unn isn't

But unn is still very clearly a fucking slug

twin

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah Unn is a bit more ambiguous

[twin dragon]

i can't fucking believe it

i have to explain to someone

that a slug

is a slug

[sinful nimbus]

If you call her a slug everyone will probably understand but its not really a lore thing

[whole holly]

idk in world where Salubra is a slug, Radiance created moths in her image but she isn't one herself, GMS created weaver spiders but isn't one herself, i won't be surprised if unn isn't a confirmed a slug

[twin dragon]

She's more of a slug than fucking, nosk

that's for sure

[sinful nimbus]

This argument is like over 3 years old and there's never a point to it 🥀

[whole holly]

do you think both White lady and greyroot are roots?

[twin dragon]

Even if WL is directly called root and grayROOT has root in her name, that doesn't mean they're related

[whole holly]

Leatherleaf Slugs aren't Slugs either they are named but completely unrelated but they look lot like Unn

[twin dragon]

menderbug and burning bug are related, they're both bugs and have bug in their name

💔

[sinful nimbus]

In the sense that they are analogous to the plant part

[whole holly]

they are both broad category of root

[twin dragon]

They're clearly both inspired from roots

[near jasper]

Did you know that white lady is a lady

[sinful nimbus]

They are both called roots but I don't think that implies much

[twin dragon]

WL's a higher being she's very different to any other common bug probably

[whole holly]

idk it isn't confirmed, i am not sure about that

[whole holly]

so what?

[twin dragon]

Even if they're similar they can't be compared

[whole holly]

why not?

[twin dragon]

Because higher beings are basically gods

[whole holly]

where is greyroot called a root, i need the quote

[twin dragon]

[sinful nimbus]

Well its in the name

[near jasper]

Its in the batlepass skin description

[twin dragon]

this was a satire

i really hope it was

[whole holly]

and? how does that invalidate point that both Greyroot and White Lady a root

[whole holly]

it was play on fact that somebody kept asking if White Lady was even considered a root?

[twin dragon]

Despite being called a root and her design inspired off of a root, her having the higher being status differentiates her from anything else

i'd even take the gamble and throw shit at the wall to wager the fact that she's more similar to other higher beings than grayroot

[whole holly]

well sure in sense of metaphysical powers but in this discussion, we weren't discussing anything that would make Higher Being-status relevant

[twin dragon]

we're discussing biological traits

so it is relevant

[near jasper]

We dont even know whats different about higher beings

[twin dragon]

Anyways this discussion is pointless as fuc

[twin dragon]

I think that's broadly obvious

[whole holly]

exclusively without metaphysical(higher being-relevant) additions

[twin dragon]

You can't compare things without their defining traits

twin

[whole holly]

i am glad you realized.

[twin dragon]

Then y keep going

retcon talk is more interesting

[whole holly]

i don't know, you kept talking to us so i figured you wanted answers

[twin dragon]

Weird conclusion to arrive at

Esp in an argument

[whole holly]

you started said useless argument so? i believed you wanted to discuss and argue in good faith, so i kept answering, idk what to tell you

[twin dragon]

I was trying to convey my point not asking for much else

[foggy stratus]

Test

Yo my powers back on.

The fuck you mean “❌”?

[whole holly]

oh no,we are going to work harder to keep you out

[foggy stratus]

Jokes on you I’ll find a way back in regardless. I’m like black mold.

[foggy stratus]

Were there any guards in the underworks to maintain order or was it just faith keeping them in line?

Quick side tangent, I hate Lost Lace. Well, I don’t hate her as a boss, I hate her as a final boss for the games “True Ending”. It’s just a third Lace fight and I don’t really like it being placed there. I’d rather have a Lost GMS fight. For the(hopefully) inevitable boss rush ending, I hope it’s not just like Absolute (Lost) Lace.

[sinful nimbus]

nuke

[lone folio]

I would of preferred lost lace being the equivalent of pure vessel

I mean she will still probably be the 2nd last boss in the rush mode

[foggy stratus]

I want the final boss of the boss rush to be True Father of the Flame

[limpid summit]

She’s a bad boss too

Black projectiles from the black floor on a black background

[lone folio]

I swear if the final boss isn't gms and instead it's like "lost'er lace"

If we get 4 different lace fights I will lose it

[lone folio]

[foggy stratus]

No Team Cherry, I do not want to fight the same boss four different times. If you do this, I’m going to delete all of your hard drives and back ups.

[lone folio]

There is already too much unnecessary Lace stuff in the game I don't want more

[foggy stratus]

Give me Phantom Two or give me death!

[lone folio]

Okay but like... Lost and phantom fight would be pretty fire...

But that would give us 4 different lace fights

[tawdry flare]

THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING!!!

[foggy stratus]

Okay you know what the only way I’ll expect another fight with Lace is if it’s in the same style of Oro and Mato where’s it’s a double team on Hornet.

[foggy stratus]

With Phantom of course.

[lone folio]

Yeah that's what I mean

[lone folio]

Lost lace and lace double team bossfight

🔥

[modest trail]

how old i hornet

[foggy stratus]

Ancient.

[onyx ruin]

Legal

[modest trail]

man

[lone folio]

Slightly older then the dreamers falling asleep

And then however much time passes later on

Which is uhhh

[modest trail]

ohh

[lone folio]

Y e s

[modest trail]

thanks

[foggy stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[onyx ruin]

XD

[pale narwhal]

we dont even know how they measure time

all we can say is that she's lived as long as several mortal lifetimes

[lone folio]

Like we know that she was born right before the dreamers endless sleep and that she has lived past hollownests fall and all of the events in silksong

No way to measure how much time that is but it's probably quite alot

[near jasper]

Team cherry should make the godhome version of skull tyrant fight always start with pilby dying

[lone folio]

His body should be in the background of the fight

[foggy stratus]

That should be if he died in your play through. Like Cloth’s club in Traitor Lord.

[lone folio]

Oh cloths club only appears if the event happened?

[foggy stratus]

Yeah.

[lone folio]

Oh that's interesting

[near jasper]

They should do a fakeout rematch with the knight and drop savage beastfly on them

[modest trail]

Can we just remember that team cherry made the brood mother harder than grand mother silk

[near jasper]

The skarr and citadel relationship shouldve gotten mote fleshed out

[candid linden]

is the last judge alive or a robot

[foggy stratus]

Alive thinks?

[modest kraken]

It's a type of bug
Same as the judges in Blasted Steps

[candid linden]

oh

[modest kraken]

They hatch as Squirms and then become Judges
Last Judge is just a very big Judge

[foggy stratus]

And very old.

[marble oasis]

Ehhh

[midnight delta]

ill say it again i still think widow is a small cloth bug from the citedal search up a picture of the bug and widow and compare them its very similar [said this 5 months ago]

[foggy stratus]

Widow is a Weaver who got her mask ripped off and needles shoved into her spine.

[long tapir]

I think he means that Widow is a Weaver made of a mite or whatever they're called

[foggy stratus]

That’s a pretty large stretch. From what we know, Weavers were made from Pharlids. Assuming Widow wasn’t based on what she looks like after several bodily mutation doesn’t make much sense.

[midnight delta]

yeah i mean she might be a mite thanks for the insight though

[foggy stratus]

Frankly I’d be more inclined to call Herrah based off the Drapemites given the head shape, but from FS cutscene we see that their mask skull thing grows from the Pharlid’s preexisting skull thing, resulting in the thee dimensional shell shape we see Weavers possess. Drapemites however lack this open air skull shape, already having fully formed horn things.

[bold night]

What’s is lifeblood and void

[foggy stratus]

Good question.

Lifeblood is like this odd substance that can invigorate you and give you extra, temporary, durability but if you use too much of it you’ll get fucked up severely.

[bold night]

Why was hornet is incline to stay and help pharloom a place she knows nothing about when she could of gone back to hallownest where she was princess or wtv

[foggy stratus]

Void is more confusing. It’s this weird black, dare I say, Eldritch substance that can make you stronger at the cost of your life or soul or individuality. I dunno really.

[foggy stratus]

She wanted to help fix it in Act Three(since she was the reason it got fucked over) and in Acts One and Two it’s because she wants to throw hands with whoever’s in charge and ordered her kidnapping.

[bold night]

Individuality isn’t that like imply it’s the same as radiance infection like hive mind stuff?

[foggy stratus]

No.

Void is insanely fucking confusion and frankly I don’t even think Team Cherry fully knows what it is.

[long tapir]

Lifeblood is a regenerative substance. If consumed, you can be healed and have better wound restoration. Yet, if consumed in excess, it takes over your normal blood and starts using the host's body as more lifeblood production. Void is also a substance, liquid-like, that attempts to absorb anything with soul

(Some speculation included)

[bold night]

Why them can’t void take lifeblood stuff

Like in act 3 worm ways

[foggy stratus]

Void and Lifeblood don’t seem to mix very well.

[long tapir]

tbh lifeblood also has like a higher being involved with it, so that might have to do? We'll probably know more in sea of sorrow since it seems to be lifeblood themed

[foggy stratus]

In Hollow Knight you can have tons of Lifeblood and be perfectly fine, while in Silksong too much Lifeblood makes you Plasmified(?) which basically makes your organs turn into Lifeblood.

[bold night]

But in hk the one lifeblood place is super close to the abyss and void

[foggy stratus]

Yeah.

Doesn’t mean they can mix.

I can keep vegetable oil next to a gallon of water but it wouldn’t make them mix.

[bold night]

That makes sense

I hope sea of sorrows is soon

[foggy stratus]

It also seems to just in general do well in desolate places.

[bold night]

Also where would it be near worm ways?

[foggy stratus]

Why would it be near?

[bold night]

Because work ways is where the stuff is

[foggy stratus]

It was brought there.

[bold night]

Oh

I don’t understand grandmother silk and why she was put to sleep and why it’s bad to wake her up

[foggy stratus]

The Weavers were like scared of her and so they put her to sleep because they wanted independence from her but when she started waking up and doing the haunting she started hunting down the Weavers who fled.

[bold night]

What is the like haunting do

[foggy stratus]

It’s basically the infection tbh.

[bold night]

Why in hk the everbloom like get a void petal but in silksong it like disappeared or like I don’t understand it’s properties or where it came from

[foggy stratus]

Main differences are that it doesn’t spread via dream, it’s like ten times harder to avoid and it can entangle people.

[foggy stratus]

I dunno.

[bold night]

Also did the godseeker go to pharloom? Because when you like dream nail her you sometimes go in that dream and it looks ALOT like the place on top of pharloom and what’s mushroom doing there and why do pilgrims still take the pilgrimage though they just get nothing

What’s up with the steel soul ppl

[foggy stratus]

Maybe, maybe not. Don’t know about the Pilgrims.

[foggy stratus]

“I have no idea!”-The Medic

[bold night]

What’s the point of the needilin and what was did the first sinner and widow

[craggy smelt]

it's a fun idea but probably not - the cave is very similar, but the entire rest of the surrounding area is different
TC might've just re-used the cave from the Godtuner Memory as a starting point to build Pharloom's Surface

[bold night]

Do

[near jasper]

Ok basically

Widow worshipped gms still after the weavers rebelled

First sinner revealed weavers werent holy after they made a religion to bring pilgrims to the citadel

[bold night]

So why didn’t gms like give widow a reward or something

[near jasper]

Idk man

I dont think she cares about widow

[bold night]

Is Herrah a weaver even

[near jasper]

Yes

[bold night]

Why does she look so different

[plain ruin]

Might have something to do with giving birth to Hornet

[near jasper]

Shes just fat and a bit mishaped dont worry about it

[foggy stratus]

Few theories. A personal one was she got dropped on the head.

[foggy fractal]

😂 retcon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bold night]

Why did weavers leave but then go back to pharloom

[craggy smelt]

she looks skinny and Weaver-like after Hornet is born in Red Memory

[near jasper]

Idk

[bold night]

What is hornet even made out of

Void?

[plain ruin]

Not really, no

[near jasper]

Weaver

[plain ruin]

She still looks larger than the other Weavers

[near jasper]

And pale king sperm

[bold night]

Then why does she look like voidish

[near jasper]

Thats just has pk's children looked idk

[bold night]

But inst she 1/2 weaver

[craggy smelt]

she doesn't look at all fat like she does in the first game
she has a different cowl, but that's it

[near jasper]

Yes

[plain ruin]

one sec

[bold night]

Then what’s the rest

[near jasper]

Pale king dna

[bold night]

But pk dna made vessels I thought

[plain ruin]

She is visibly larger than the other Weavers

[near jasper]

And hormet

Pk is her dad

Herrah is her mom

[plain ruin]

And it's very possible that her size is not very different between the games

[plain ruin]

The other screenshot looked bad

Low quality for some reason, this one is better

[bold night]

What happened why didn’t the weavers go father then hallownest and how did the gms find them

[plain ruin]

She's not a stick like the other weavers are

[near jasper]

Gms saw the silk inside the weavers

[bold night]

How did gms get hornet in sealed siblings

[near jasper]

The hallownest weavers just thought they were far away enough to be safe ig

[near jasper]

She Didnt

Sealed siblings cant happen in Canon

[bold night]

But I thought the devs said they didn’t like true endings etc

[near jasper]

Yeah ig they changed their minds

Idk how they were gonna make the ending where hornet dies work in the first place i'll be honest

[plain ruin]

Necromancer Bug

[foggy stratus]

Hornet doesn’t necessarily die tho. And it’s still canon, even if it isn’t leading to Silksong.

[near jasper]

Didnt say it wasnt canon

[craggy smelt]

that one's better - there's an even better comparison shot, using her mask and other weavers, I can't find it though
here's one (not as good)
her fatness should be evident in the scene with baby Hornet if that's the state she's in

[plain ruin]

She is visibly larger than the other Weavers in the Red Memory cutscene

[candid linden]

queens become fat

in the insect world

[plain ruin]

You can clearly see that she isn't a stick

Her size might've changed a bit between games, impossible to know for sure because we only see Herrah underneath a red veil of sorts, but she is clearly still large

[craggy smelt]

her cowl is hanging down more widely than the other weavers, it doesn't cinch at the base of her neck like their's does

but fat Herrah sitting down shouldn't have her cowl covering her entire fat body

[foggy stratus]

Maybe the pregnancy with Hornet was difficult as hell, resulting in unseemly bloating. Or she’s just fat.

[near jasper]

"That space is built to sustain your likes. Its bindings would drain me were I to join.
Don't be surprised. I'll not risk my own life in your attempt[...]"

[craggy smelt]

maybe, but that would be more obvious in Red Memory if that were the case

[plain ruin]

The Red Memory cowl is red, the HK cowl is blue. Clearly something happened to the cowl between the events of Red Memory and the events of HK

Probably became discolored and tathered with age

[candid linden]

does it really matter

do you guys think Weavers use their own silk to make clothes or do they use other stuff

[plain ruin]

They used Silk

[near jasper]

Do you think weavers could use their without it having soul

[plain ruin]

Can't have Silk without Soul

[candid linden]

silk uses soul?

[plain ruin]

Fine thread spun from the soul of its creator. Highly coveted for its remarkable strength and mystical properties. Used to heal wounds, extend life, and weave powerful runes.

[candid linden]

so what is the knight doing in the void below pharloom

[plain ruin]

Materium entry for Silk

[craggy smelt]

I dunno man
Sure, it might be a different cowl or damaged, but I still don't think she's hiding that fat body under it in RM

I go with the theory that she thought being a Dreamer was like hibernation

fattened herself up like a bear

[candid linden]

nah she probably knew

she is smart

[near jasper]

"In Pharloom, yours is a rare skill, prized beyond measure, to channel one's soul within a thread. Soul and Silk inseparably linked."

[plain ruin]

As I said, maybe they changed it slightly between games, but she is clearly fatter than the other Weavers. You can even see a bit of her bottom poking out from the red cowl

[near jasper]

Silk exists outside the soul made version

[plain ruin]

No

That's just saying that Silk and Soul are inseparable

You cannot produce Silk without Soul

[craggy smelt]

probably checking out what was causing all the ruckus

[foggy stratus]

-# soulless silk in the exhaust organ

[plain ruin]

Silk dregs that were once produced by Soul

[near jasper]

To channel ones soul within a thread implies there is already a thread

[plain ruin]

Read this again

The thread is spun from the soul of the creator

[foggy stratus]

If silk cannot exist with soul being in it, then what do you call the soulless silk in the exhaust organ?

[plain ruin]

Silk dregs, I just said

[foggy stratus]

Diet silk…

[near jasper]

Im gonna be honest I dont think silkeaters could evolve a whole species from exclusively consuming the souls of other beings

[foggy stratus]

But if silk and soul are inseparably linked then how and why can it exist without Soul.

[near jasper]

Also "soul and thread inseparably linked" implies that thread exists outside soul

[plain ruin]

It was produced with Soul

[foggy stratus]

That Silk is as Soulless as I am after my 18th steel soul run of the GODDAMN WEEK!

[plain ruin]

Silk dregs still contain some Soul, just look at the Unravelled

[near jasper]

If theres soul in those threads why doesnt phantom use them

[foggy stratus]

If they’re inseparably linked then you can’t separate them, but clearly the Silk tying up the bench in the Exhaust Organ is pretty ticking soulless, so then what in Talos’ name is it? If Silk is made of Soul then how can it exist without soul in it?

[plain ruin]

Phantom does use them, the Wraiths are made of lingering threads

Threads being Silk

[near jasper]

Her entire body is expiring from not having silk why would she just have silk thrown around in her house and never use it

[plain ruin]

Phantom can't just rebuild their frayed body

[foggy stratus]

-# Womp womp.

[plain ruin]

Maybe an oversight by Team Cherry, maybe the dregs don't make good sources of Silk for Hornet to use

[near jasper]

Also why would you need to say silk and thread linked if one has to exist for the other to exist

[plain ruin]

not sure what exactly you mean by that

Silk is a form of thread

A unique form of thread spun from Soul

[near jasper]

Where is the other thread coming from if its not bug silk

[plain ruin]

What other thread?

[near jasper]

If silk is a form of thread

Its implied theres other forms

[plain ruin]

Other forms that aren't silken

[near jasper]

Yeah

If all silk in pharloom is from gms how was styx never found to be haunted while living in a nest of it

[plain ruin]

Styx has a shitload of masks, that might have something to do with it

[near jasper]

What about silkeaters theyre not haunted either

[plain ruin]

Silkeaters are a mystery

They eat Silk so the Silk isn't in their bodies in the same way that it's in the body of a haunted Envoy or something

[near jasper]

How would a whole species evolve around consuming gods soul

[plain ruin]

GMS and her Silk have existed in Pharloom for a long time

[near jasper]

I dont think she was just shedding silk on the ground for hundreds of thousands of years

How would styx even get so much silk from if hes too scared to leave his nest because of 2 muckroaches

At least him leaving from the top of his nest makes sense since on the bellways screen one of the tunnels seems to lead to his nest

But theres not really any place for him to gather a full nest of silk sturdy enough to hold hornet

Unless he just produces his own silk that doesnt have soul

Probably how he knows how silkeaters work so well too

And why he would be considered a sinner and have been a slave to probably a higher ranking greymoor or citadel bug

Anyways I need to sleep bye

[modest trail]

does garmond and zaza affect the lore

[elfin comet]

without garmound and zaza gms would have destroyed pharloom

garmound and zaza actualy were the only reason we were able to beat gms

[modest trail]

how so

[near jasper]

Silkposting on the lore channel

[modest trail]

i want to hear this

[elfin comet]

they just do that

[shy sorrel]

Is the void thing at the end of the act 3 ending the knight from hollow knight 1?

[dire lynx]

yes

[shy sorrel]

Whys there a thousand copies of bro

[dire lynx]

its all the other siblings

[shy sorrel]

wait what

[dire lynx]

the knight is the one in the front, the siblings are just hanging with em

the knight

[shy sorrel]

gaw damn

[dire lynx]

siblings are all the eyes in the back

[shy sorrel]

atp lets free all of them and have em work for us

Whys he in the void anyways

[dire lynx]

because they are the lord of shades

[shy sorrel]

Huh

[dire lynx]

they have the void heart, unifying all the void under their will

[shy sorrel]

Didnt hornet end the void?

[dire lynx]

have you played the first hollow knight?

not trying to be mean here, genuine question

[shy sorrel]

Not yet

I will when its on sale in a few days

[dire lynx]

alr

[dire lynx]

hornet saved lace which allowed gms to accept her death, cutting the treads of the haunting and stopping the void from being able to reach up into pharloom

the void is still alive and well at the bottom of the world, it simply has no way to reach up anymore

[shy sorrel]

oh

no way to save the knight?

[dire lynx]

the knight is made of void and controls it, they dont need saving

they are in their natural habitat

[shy sorrel]

wait why didnt they stop grandmother and lace then

[dire lynx]

the void was trying to consume gms, thats why the black threading happenned, she was resisting the void

if she had stopped resisting and let herself die the void wouldnt have been able to reach pharloom through her treads

[shy sorrel]

Oh

damn hornet look what youve done!!

[dire lynx]

yeah, its on her and the snail shamans lol

[shy sorrel]

Atleast its over!!!

does everyone go back to normal after?

[dire lynx]

anyone who was black threaded is sadly dead, but those who were only haunted should be fine

if they were alive, and not puppeteered corpses i should say

[shy sorrel]

Ok

[crystal marsh]

TK is fine

[wet walrus]

Why is godseeker always trash talking

You enter the pantheon after tuning all of her "gods".

Blasphemy! Rank blasphemy!
Thou crawler! Thou cringer! Thou smallest of the small!
By what right dost thou trespass here, in this home of the Gods? Shrivel away and begone! Begone!
You beat first pantheon
Thou hast luck beyond luck, o speck!
You beat 2 pantheons
Lowly brute! Blindest of worms! Again thee challenge the Gods? What divine whim has granted thee the strength to endure their presence, where no others may stand?
Fight then, struggle then, and keenly shall We listen for thy destruction!
You beat absrad in hog
Woe! Thou Speck! To achieve victory, even if only against mere imprint of that most brilliant deity. Thine battles proves strength enough to impress.
But couldst thou ever hope to overcome that mighty God tuned at the core of dream and mind, when met in perfect state, at peak of all others? We think not!

[edgy nebula]

she considers tk an intruder and not worthy of being in her mind

[marble oasis]

Ragebait master

She baited TK into achieving Shade Lord