sk-lore

[thorny topaz]

Not zote becuase I want him dead

[wintry elbow]

most of the main characters we know their backstory already

[wintry elbow]

yeah nobody likes zote

[random aspen]

of a specific existing character?

[wintry elbow]

a character that is actually in the game

that we might have heard or seen about

[random aspen]

nobody realy works that well

[thorny topaz]

Yo I have a idea that team cherry would never make trust me

Hollow knight grubsong

[wintry elbow]

lets hear it

[wintry elbow]

might be the best idea

[thorny topaz]

We play as a grub in a jar for hours

Doing nothing

[wintry elbow]

what if we got like the FULL backstory of the pale king or even the hollow knight

[random aspen]

shaman game where

honestly dont want to play as lace

i dont really like her

[thorny topaz]

Ima go murder thousands of zotes

Yippe

[marble oasis]

After silksong I want nothing to do with those fucking MOLLUSCS

[finite wind]

I don't think we're getting another hollow knight metroidvania game

Not many bug types to be explored are left

Like what are we missing, butterflies?

I could see other type of games with HK IP, but team cherry said they still want to make metroidvanias

[sinful nimbus]

Crustacean spinoff imminent

[foggy stratus]

We’re finally getting a lobster in a TC game

[finite wind]

We got a whole area in silksong dedicated to them

[sinful nimbus]

To set up the spinoff ofc

[foggy stratus]

Is it reasonable to think that Hornet, when compared to people from Pharloom, has a much more violent fighting style since she’s from Deepnest(basically bug Detroit imo)?

[finite wind]

Her fighting style is from vespa

[foggy stratus]

Damnit.

Still gnawing the goddamn furniture over that.

Fuck.

[foggy stratus]

Screw it I’ll still think this.

Fuck Three Queens theory.

[random aspen]

we still barely know anything about them

they just do soul and void shi

also i want to do nothing with hallownest

atp

goodbye paleking

[foggy stratus]

I don’t wanna say goodbye to Pale King tho:(

[sinful nimbus]

Snail shamans would be interesting

[random aspen]

he didnt evn appear in silksong

[sinful nimbus]

More voidslop would be lame though

[random aspen]

fucking wingmoulds appeared before pale king

[finite wind]

I hate voidslop

Delete act 3

[sinful nimbus]

[preach 🗣️

[random aspen]

i dont think shamans can fight void so we wont get silksong voidslop

[foggy stratus]

That’s my fucking dad you’re talking shit about

[random aspen]

we get soulslop

[finite wind]

Give me higher being slop

Pale being slop

[sinful nimbus]

TC don't even know what to do with soul man

[finite wind]

It's almost like they lack soul themselves...

[foggy stratus]

They sold it to Grimm for cool fire stuff.

[edgy nebula]

probably not who theyd base it off of but i want a game where we play as either a karaka or a slabfly

[craggy smelt]

'Shaman Knight'

yeah, that would be pretty good

[marble oasis]

Genuinely what would that look like

[edgy nebula]

super cool i think

[craggy smelt]

shoot, i wish I could find that fan oc of a slabfly inspired by Hornet

it's awesome

[marble oasis]

I know the one you mean

[edgy nebula]

i do not know the one you mean

[keen vector]

you’re not alone 💔

[late goblet]

Can someone explain the lore up to the very start of Act3, cause ngl Im pretty stupid and I either forgot a lot of the details of the lore or the story just flew over my head

[limpid summit]

From what point on the timeline would you want me to start

[late goblet]

I get the general gist, bugs plagued by excessive and zealous religious devotion to the point where they lose their mind to a mental plague similar to the infection (but not the same). These bugs are drawn towards the Citadel by Grandma Silk so that they can be used to harvest more silk to sustain herself (???)

(Please correct me)

[limpid summit]

That’s pretty close

But it goes a bit deeper than that

[late goblet]

A lot of the original game's lore completely flew over my head too so this is a me problem of not understanding basic shit lmao

[limpid summit]

So first there was grand mother silk, she created the Weavers and they sustained her but they later tired of serving her/got angry at her we aren’t sure why
Some ended up fleeing (Herrah, etc) while some stayed, built things in the Weavenests to try and defeat her like Eva, eventually they came up with the Citadel blueprints and put her to sleep through song

[late goblet]

OH that's what Eva is

[limpid summit]

They couldn’t do it by themselves so they decided to draw down pilgrims to help work the choir

So the pilgrimage began but it was much less opulent and the citadel was likely still as oppressive

Eventually they stretched themselves too thin and started to die, so they gave up rulership to regular bugs called the Conductors

During their era, the citadel was gilded and the cogwork core was created to automate it

[late goblet]

That's why they have the "heaviest mantle?"

[limpid summit]

Yeah pretty much

Their mantle was taking control of the Citadel - they just wanted to rule but found out the song kept GMS asleep

But over this long period of time (both Weaver and Conductor eras) silk from the cocoon got into the bodies of pilgrims and native bugs like microplastics

Later in the Conductor era, they got greedy again and tried to use weaver tech in Whiteward to make themselves immortal with silk

This led GMS to stir, and she started the Haunting by manipulating the silk inside them

That’s it in very short

[late goblet]

How's that possible? I know it does happen but why? Do we just assume it's the Citadel pulling some strings?

[limpid summit]

A lot I missed ofc

Well her silk stretches down and out of the cradle

It was used in the weaver and conductor eras for various purposes

[late goblet]

When you say stir, you mean like she woke up briefly?

[limpid summit]

Well she doesn’t fully wake up until we wake her up

But the citadel music kept her fully asleep as far as we know

[late goblet]

Wait how could she create the Haunting then if she was asleep?

[limpid summit]

Until Whiteward, where she sort of snapped out of it not fully enough to wake but enough to haunt

[late goblet]

Ah ok

[limpid summit]

The silk surgeries probably messed with her silk to a ridiculous degree

[late goblet]

Also why were the Weaver and Conductors so damn oppressive? I remember reading the billboards of the quotas and all the different punishments levied, did they really just need that much power to keep GMS asleep? Or was it just greed/evil?

[limpid summit]

Little bit of both

Weavers genuinely did need that much power but that’s also partly a theme of the game - oppressed groups becoming oppressive themselves

They were “bitter” and let rulership get to their heads after they deposed GMS

That’s likely why First Sinner was locked in the Slab

The truth that the Weavers weren’t her actual daughters but just Pharlids uplifted by her would diminish their “mandate of heaven” type thing

They saw themselves as divine daughters even though they hated their mother

Conductors were sort of placed into that role but they were also pretty bad and perpetuated it

The weaver citadel is described as fairly austere and made of stone

They were the ones responsible for all the golden stuff

Besides the sentinels

[late goblet]

Oh I disappeared sorry

Does it ever get answered as to why some of the dreamers decided to set up camp in Hallownest?

And also why did the Citadel want Hornet specifically? Was it because she was half Weaver half Void?

[jagged sun]

Hornet isn't half void, she's half weaver half wyrm

The Citadel wanted her since they're haunted and GMS wants to exterminate all weavers

[late goblet]

oop me stupid

[jagged sun]

And the weaver corpse statues let her take their power since she's half pale being

And it seems to me that they wanted a weaver pale being to counter GMS (Ava may have been a prototype )

[eternal gazelle]

well, more than that she wants to bind hornet and take her power

[jagged sun]

That too

[terse warren]

I mean they don't seem to be very fond of her Wyrm side so iunno about that

[dire lynx]

whiteward had existed since the time of the weavers

the silk surgeries would have been just as valuable to the weavers as the conductors, and there is no reason to think they didn't do them as well

[marble oasis]

They just wanted any Weaver child

[terse warren]

Ehhhh I'd argue having immortal slaves (you can just get more) isn't as valuable as being immortal (can't make more of yourself)

[marble oasis]

The Weaver mummies didn’t expect a Wyrmspawn

[late goblet]

Where do the shamans play into all of this? Who exactly are they? How did they have the means to create the snare, control the void and seal away GMS? (I just started Act3 tho so if it has spoilers for that dont tell me plz)

Actually what exactly is GMS herself? ||Other than creator of the Weavers and the reason to why the Citadel exists|| Did she just pop into existence one day?

(Or is that also Act3 spoilers)

[edgy nebula]

1. a pretty cool callback to the shamans in hk, expanding on their lore
2. a huge group of shamans extremely strong with soul magic
3. extremely strong soul magic, however with it they used all most if not all of the soul they had accumulated throughout the years

[edgy nebula]

her origins are pretty unknown

[late goblet]

She looks far more like a robot or android as to a bug tbh, I was wondering might she have been a creation herself?

[lone folio]

Well they are a group of bugs who have learned to control soul much better then any other mortal bug we meet. And for the snare thing I guess they have used a bunch of their soul and runes to create a portal to the void sea to trap gms

[lone folio]

We have completely no idea on how higher beings come to be

[tawdry flare]

doubtful. except for her prosthetic stuff she’s composed entirely of soul (or silk)

[late goblet]

Hmm

[late goblet]

Oh nice I forgot about the shamans in hallownest

[dire lynx]

i suppose, perhaps the weavers didnt want to put gms' silk into their own bodies

the whiteward tech is clearly weaver-made tho

[late goblet]

Is it specified how they managed to get so strong or what they have to benefit from trapping GMS into void?

(Unless that's Act 3 stuff cuz I just started it)

[edgy nebula]

they do alot of rituals and kill alot of bugs to gain alot of soul

it's also possible their bodies are able to naturally make a perfect focus

cause spiral focus is mentioned alot when it comes to shamans

[lone folio]

I mean they have some kind of benefit for getting rid of GMS since when you talk with the chapel maid she does day that because of GMS her chapel is in a bad state. Kind of seems like higher beings don't really like them which is fair since they do a lot of rituals that involve killing other bugs so getting rid of GMS would also let them do those rituals in peace.

[late goblet]

I assume all the Chapels in this game that you enter belong to the Shamans in some way?

[lone folio]

So I guess that would be a benefit

[lone folio]

No only the first one is shaman property

The chapel of the reaper was made by the bugs of greymoor (or the citadel while they were still building greymoor), chapel of the beast is a place made by the skarr too put their captured beasts into, chapel of the architect is definitely citadel property, and chapel of the wanderer was built by the pilgrims to remember those who failed the climb.

[late goblet]

The... who?

See this is why I hate myself

All the fucking things I read leave my brain exactly 2 seconds after I process them

[edgy nebula]

if you mean the skarr those are the ants

red ant guys

[lone folio]

Which one are you confused about?

[late goblet]

Oh

Is it a probem if I dont remember doing the last one

[edgy nebula]

chapel of the wanderer is the one near the chapel of the shaman, to the left of bone bottom

[late goblet]

Oh Bonegrave?

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[late goblet]

Ah ok nvm I remember it then

[muted lantern]

Who destroyed verdania? was it the citadel or gms? pre or post haunting?

[marble oasis]

citadel forced one of the princes to leave which left verdania even more vulnerable once the haunting came along

[terse warren]

Most likely is that GMS didn't actually destroy anything and it was all the citadel's work

And it was all pre-haunting

Well Skarr's maybe had some post-haunting shit

But their territory being reduced is most probs pre-haunting

[whole holly]

do you guys think that Grimm will appear in Silksong in DLC?

[dire lynx]

no

[limpid summit]

Lowkey yes

I think there’s a way TC could do it smartly

[finite wind]

I think so

But it will be different from HK

[pliant meadow]

No

[dreamy onyx]

Conductors I assume

Since they were the ones in power when the core was built which means they likely were the ones threatening Verdania to the point that the Green Prince's partner gave his life

[marble oasis]

Pharloom isn’t dead

At best we get the recon bug

[whole holly]

i think so too

[whole holly]

in Act 3, there are significantly more deaths, they go to dying kingdoms, so maybe

[foggy stratus]

I hope so. I want more Grimm.

[foggy stratus]

-# pretty sure it is tho

[marble oasis]

It’s not lol

Hornet very clearly says it’s dying but it’s not dead yet if she has anything to say about it, and she does

[whole holly]

do they only visit dead of dying kingdoms, i remember dying ones

also weird thing is that Jiji suggest that Grimm Troupe's scent are unknown to Steel Clan

[dire lynx]

no, shes just saying that they come from a place thats scent is unfamiliar to her

the rest of her dialogue clearly shows they know of the grimm troupe

"Hmm. A fierce host has settled nearby. Did you summon them? I find their smell... unsettling.
Theirs is a scent of distant places, unfamiliar even to me.
They have a strange look to them, gaudy and intimidating. Perhaps you suspect they hide their true appearance? You'd be right. They favour projection over truth, shrouding themselves in forms dreamed.
Best be careful. Assisting them might benefit you, but who knows what suffering it may cause?"

[whole holly]

they also said it might cause suffering to assist them

which is interesting for sure

it looks like Jiji sensed Grimm Troupe's traits

[whole holly]

i mean Verdania is dead, technically, that may be enough

[foggy stratus]

And Karak.

[foggy stratus]

Dead leadership, odd affliction taking over living beings and reanimating dead ones, pissed off higher being trying to reclaim its old glory by any means necessary, stray pockets of civilization still around despite it all. Dunno man, unless I’m just missing something the Citadel’s Pharloom seems pretty dead.(honestly if I am missing something please do tell.)

[marble oasis]

Rejoice! And let it all come down.
Hornet: I will not. I have already stood the sentinel for one dying land. That role... I will never play again.
Hornet: While I live, and possess the strength to resist, this kingdom, and the bugs within it, shall not fall.

[gentle aspen]

yeah she instead caused it to fall in act 3

Hornet my goat

[marble oasis]

this is act 3

[gentle aspen]

hornet copium

[foggy stratus]

Pharloom is just dead, she might mean the land the Kingdom is in won’t fall but the kingdom of Pharloom is very much dead.

[marble oasis]

Pharloom can rebuild much better than Hallownest

[foggy stratus]

Yeah, but it doesn’t mean it hasn’t died.

A new kingdom can and from what I’ve see likely will rise from the corpse of Pharloom.

[foggy stratus]

(Also rebuildibility doesn’t really matter seeing as I can see both getting rebuilt especially since WL is still alive)

[whole holly]

not really, area of Hallownest can easily be repopulated by mantis tribe and npcs, same can't really be said in post-act 3 pharloom because damage is indiscriminate and most bugs are dead

[pastel remnant]

Serious question: How does Hornet heal and where she contains her silk? I assumed that she could heal only with her nail since at the beginning of the game she has to take her needle to regenerate health. However, when Hornet gets kidnapped and taken to the slab she breaks out without needle and cloak, but she still can heal. How this works?

[frosty gate]

The Silk is innate to Hornet. Do remind me, does Hornet lose all the Spools you've collected when you get taken to The Slab? I didn't get taken so I have no idea

Hornet is a bug after all, so she has Silk inside her. Where she pulls it from, well

We are probably better off not knowing

[frosty gate]

Eh, not really. Pharloom's infrastructure was heavily damaged by the events of Act 3. They can still rebuild tho, the Citadel specifically is mostly usable.

Hallownest is in perfect shape. The Capital, City of Tears, is completely functional aside from one or two broken walls that I can think of. Yeah the elevator leading to Ancient Basin is broken, but no one needs to go there anyway. Forgotten Crossroads is more or less doing ok, yeah it was infected but with the infection gone it should be pretty clean.

Hallownest held up pretty nicely

Lets remember that Hallownest is the entire Caves, yes, but the habitable areas were the Crossroads and City of Tears

[ember river]

She weaves it from soul, she's a weaver after all

[frosty gate]

Yeah, that's true

[frosty gate]

Fungal Wastes has no bugs living there aside from the Mantises. Greenpath has some places, but who the fuck wants to live in Greenpath. Crystal Peak may have some places to live

My Point is, Hallownest isn't as run down as the Citadel, which is one of the 3 or 4 places properly habitable in Pharloom

Everywhere else is death

[gentle aspen]

heals using her silk and she weaves it/stores it on the spool

[whole holly]

not to mention in royal waterways isma created a grove, uninfected fluke hermit may become new mother for flukes and so on

[pastel remnant]

Yeah but why at the beginning of act 1 and act 3 she has to take the needle and then heal

[whole holly]

it's just her way of adjusting, focusing possibly

[glacial warren]

Honestly same. Hallownest was a much better civilization/kingdom than Pharloom could have ever hoped to be.

[whole holly]

infrastructure is mostly functional, can't say same about pharloom

[glacial warren]

I mean hell if you get right down to it Pharloom isn’t even a ‘real’ kingdom. The entire location is one great big scam set up by the Weavers to dupe poor sods into singing a lullaby to keep their Goddess asleep.

It’s little better than a glorified music box.

[whole holly]

in Pharloom Weavers, Conductors, Architects are gone with one sane Vaultkeeper left

[glacial warren]

True, and said Vaultkeeper is still extremely aged, so he probably doesn’t have long left.

[frosty gate]

I mean... Idk about you but I wouldn't want to live in a sewer

[whole holly]

most of caste is dead and most of bugs were resurrected

[glacial warren]

But this is probably for the best that Pharloom falls entirely. With the Grand Mother gone, the entire kingdom is now defunct and serves no purpose beyond being a ruin filled with unspeakable horrors and atrocities, and the personal playground of the Unravelled.

[frosty gate]

Pretty much, yeah.

[whole holly]

for bugs in may not be a problem, i don't think human being would want to live anywhere in hallownest ideally

[frosty gate]

I mean, the Unravelled shouldn't be alive without GMS

[frosty gate]

I mean, the posh side of City of Tears is nice

[whole holly]

i think so too, shouldn't life be depleted even in whitewards

[frosty gate]

I'd kick Emilitia out of her house

Her house is really comfy

[whole holly]

sure but whole hallownest is probably size of human foot

[glacial warren]

Hornet said in her Journal entry regarding it that even she can’t cleanse the consciousnesses clinging to that pit. So long as there is Silk, then that creature remains. It’ll likely only die for real if the entire pit it’s in is destroyed.

[frosty gate]

I believe it was stated at some point by TC that the bugs are not bug sized

[glacial warren]

Until such a time comes, then the Unravelled can’t be hurt in a capacity that would matter.

[frosty gate]

But I can't remember

[whole holly]

true but GMS was controlling them, without that there may be individual bugs

[glacial warren]

Yet we never see her strands animate it, or the threads snapping when Hornet bests it. The Silk came from below, not above. Those things were getting up all on their own.

[frosty gate]

Hmmm, I'm unsure how the Unravelled would work without silk. Pharloom overall should be relatively safe without the Haunting

[frosty gate]

This makes sense to me

[glacial warren]

My guess is their souls haunted and possessed the ocean of Silk dregs dumped in that pit, and eventually, their combined wills became strong enough to re-animate.

[whole holly]

it is GMS's Haunting

[fresh badger]

I do agree even without gms the memories imbued in the silk dregs will keep the unravelled, a thing

[frosty gate]

No, if you can see the Silk going up it means its GMS keeping it alive

With GMS the unravelled can't move anymore

But the place will be somewhat haunted

The same way you'd call a cementery ominous

[fresh badger]

Silk itself is inherently a kind of lifeforce

The unravelled isnt a clawmaiden puppet, its the horrors of the whiteward manifesting themselves

Imo GMS might've like been influencing it but its self sufficient

[frosty gate]

We have no reason to believe that, it is clearly being puppeteered

[fresh badger]

Wdym clearly 😭

[frosty gate]

The Strings go up

[fresh badger]

I forgot it dropped a silk heart huh

[frosty gate]

Strings go up = Haunted by GMS

[fresh badger]

Again that doesnt mean the strings are its only source of life

Its Silk. Silk inherently is magical lifeforce.

[frosty gate]

There are no other sources of life for Silk Haunted beings

Everything haunted by silk is kept alive by GMS

[fresh badger]

Tormented will of countless husks made manifest in a pit of Silk dregs.

Its literally the bugs' wills made manifest

[frosty gate]

Yes, will

[fresh badger]

Not necessarily. Some things got reanimated but others are just normal living pilgrims now being living puppets

[frosty gate]

Will isn't the life

[frosty gate]

Yeah, normal pilgrims controlled by GMS

There's nothing in Pharloom that wasn't controlled by GMS

[fresh badger]

Yeah. That doesnt mean everything in Pharloom explodes and dies with her though

The Unravelled is being controlled, that doesnt mean it dies without her

Oh the dreg wheels are kinda neat

Shell of a small bug possessed by Silk dregs. The husk will stretch its Silk to form a crude, crushing wheel.

More like, silk dregs animating stuff on their own

[frosty gate]

Man, believe as you will but we have absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that anything that was Haunted will stay Haunted without GMS

[fresh badger]

Living Silk commanding a dead shell... An affront to nature, and one all too common across Pharloom.

[fresh badger]

Dawg thats not my argument

[frosty gate]

You are literally arguing that GMS dying doesn't mean that the Unravelled has to die

[fresh badger]

Yeah

Thats my argument

My argument isnt that the Unravelled stays controlled by GMS after GMS dies

[frosty gate]

GMS brings things to live

She doesn't control them

[fresh badger]

.

Ok give dialogue

Supporting that claim

Because thats bullshit LOL

[frosty gate]

God, let me finish some work stuff and check the wiki

[crystal marsh]

Incorrect

[fresh badger]

Gms entry: ences
Grand Mother Silk Hunter's Journal entry: "The higher being's threads stretched throughout Pharloom, snaring its bugs and driving them to madness and discord."

Oh wow that copied poorly

[frosty gate]

Yeah, and if she falls everything falls with her.

You just gotta see the Skarr, the Skarr are living their lives despite being Haunted

They are mad, yes, but they are still acting regularly

[fresh badger]

........controlled doesnt mean animated by

Once she's gone they simply wont be controlled

They wont keel over and die when she dies

And her entry doesnt even say controlled, it says ensnaring and driving to madness

[frosty gate]

True, but why would the Living pile of silk not die after she dies if there's nothing keeping it alive

[fresh badger]

You just said why

[frosty gate]

You are telling me the Unravelled existed prehaunting

[fresh badger]

Its referred to as Living Silk

[frosty gate]

Living Silk because its being kept alive by the lady who brings silk thing alive????????????????????

[fresh badger]

Brother read what you just said one more time but slowly

😭

Its joever, anakin

[frosty gate]

So you telling me that GMS

Who basically brings corpses to life

[fresh badger]

Thats not what her entry says

[frosty gate]

Hornet dialogue with Garmond: "It is heartening to meet another of sound mind and fortitude enough to fight back against the many haunted husks."

Hornet dialogue with Sherma: "Hold your gratitude, little one. The dead are stirring."

Or was it by some convenience that the corpses of The Choir in the arena before Ballador got reanimated

Hornet dialogue with Seamstress: "I have ventured high, seen the Citadel and its state. That place is long lost... generations lost, a gilded tomb, drowned in Silk dregs. For its minions, so compelled in my capture, I now see clearly the source of their unity, and their strange strength... They are husks bound tight by the one who waits at its crest.."

Her entry isn't the only source of info

And you don't even need to pull these to know that many of these are dead

Their wills are made manifest through the Haunting thanks to GMS, because their will is lingering in the pit

But without something bringing it alive, like the convenient Silk Goddess that brings Silk Alive, it dies

The will of those dead bugs will linger, their "souls" so to speak, trapped in a pit of hatred, but it will do nothing

Unless it, by some God forsaken chance, turns into something like these dudes, but there's no reason to believe this could even happen

We have no reason to believe the corpses of the Whiteward would stay alive after GMS dies

And probably most, if not all, the enemies we fight in the Citadel will fall dead after GMS dies

[fresh badger]

Ok im working rn but

Whiteward guys are explicitly the dregs

The dregs doing it

Not gms haunting silk, the dregs whiteward produced

Ok bye

And just bc gms raised some dead doesnt mean every haunted is a corpse she raised

[whole holly]

she originally started haunting because bugs who injected silk in their shells in Whiteward started being controlled by GMS

[frosty gate]

Except it is the case in the Citadel, we know mostly everything in The Citadel is dead

[frosty gate]

And the dregs are controlling themselves all of a sudden?

[frosty gate]

Correct!

Have you done it yet, bellringer? Wriggled deep? Discovered the depths of obsession that brought this place so low?

Hornet: If you speak of this Citadel and its Silk, Caretaker, then yes, I now know the start of it.
Hornet: In the ward down below, I saw it clear, the hollowed husks, and the many torturous implements... machines to instill a bug with thread, that would see their life extended.

We have even seen "dregs" be animated by someone else before

Although they weren't called dregs

[fresh badger]

Given that silk contains memory and will like essence, yes

Idk what more to tell you. The dregs are described as living silk possessing husks, the unravelled is tormented will of countless husks made manifest in dregs

[spark valve]

more like silk contains essence which is just true of soul and was established in the first game

[frosty gate]

So Silk has its own life now?

[frosty gate]

Not to agree with Bells, but Silk is Soul, so it could apply

We still have Elegy of the Deep

Not that I think this is the case, but yeah

Although, to be fair Elegy of the Deep is Snail Magic and who the fuck knows how it works

[spark valve]

Yes. That is why soul containing essence applies to silk.

They’re the same thing

[frosty gate]

Oh then yeah, i think I misread what you said, mb

Still, I believe that corpses in Whiteward wouldn't stay alive

[near jasper]

I dont agree but

The whiteward husks canonically have no organs left

So why would gms haunt them first

[gentle aspen]

elegy of the deep is kinda sorta both

[frosty gate]

My bad, it was a typo

I was arguing against it

[near jasper]

Same?

[frosty gate]

Same what?

[near jasper]

I was doing the same

[humble jetty]

Why the unravelled looks like conductor?

[frosty gate]

I know, idk why you asked lmao

[solar gale]

Because it is a conductor

[near jasper]

Is yarnabys surgery canonically lobotomizing a fetus

[frosty gate]

It's not exactly a Conductor, but it has the Mantle of Mizello, yes

[frosty beacon]

Yeah but its an evil fetus

[humble jetty]

Mantle of what?

[frosty gate]

Mizello, another Conductor

[frosty beacon]

are those nets in the slubberlug room potential pharloom bay teases?

in bilewater

[frosty gate]

Probably, probably not

Those are just a place where they grow the Mucks

Pharloom Bay, if it ends up being in the game when we get Sea of Sorrows, which would make total sense, has clearer water from what we saw in the trailer

We will definitely get there through Bilewater

But that's about it

[near jasper]

What if pharloom bay is guarded by a fasádě beastfly

[near jasper]

I think more judge lore would be cool

Actually I think we should expand all lore

Give the game another year in the oven

[finite wind]

Does anyone else also think Ava looks a lot like GMS

[near jasper]

Yeah

Eva was meant to be a higher being like gms

[finite wind]

That doesn't explain why they look the same

Higher beings don't need to have GMS anatomy

[edgy nebula]

yeah it's weird

possible they indirectly made her look like their mother while trying to get past their curse

[near jasper]

Idk man

Maybe they justs didnt know any other higher being to model off of

[finite wind]

I think this is the explanation

[urban hatch]

Ya eve was supposed to be a special experiment similar to grand mother silk that they hid away so that gms couldn’t find her

[edgy nebula]

no she was a way to break past their curse of not being able to have children

she was stored away because she was born too fraigle

[urban hatch]

Yah

[urban hatch]

Sry I didn’t clarify

Similar to gms so that the curse would break

It’s like an artificial gms kinda

[glacial warren]

In essence, Eva was an attempt by the Weavers to make an artificial Pale Being to oppose the Grand Mother, as she was an ‘imitation of divinity’. But she was too brittle as they couldn’t properly recreate a God, even for all their power, and so they deemed her basically a failed prototype and hid her away.

[silk dirge]

what i find interesting to think about is that gms is made of silk right

so they were literally trying to make a copy of gms

what kind of shit they were taking that they thought that was a viable plan idk

[craggy smelt]

she mentions that her thoughts mimic the weavers - maybe they tried to make her sympathetic to their cause

I think it's neat that, in a way, Eva is a silkborn like Phantom and Lace, yet even more fragile, requiring a tank all the time while Phantom seemed to only need one periodically

[dire lynx]

shes made of soul, that can be turned to silk. Just like hornet

[edgy nebula]

i support and go by the theory that eva wasnt a tool to surpass gms, rather a child to surpass their constraint of not being able to conceive children

"divinity mimicked in form too frail" could easily be referring to the weavers thinking theyre divine, she couldve simply been made before first sinner's revelation

and eva says she was conceived to surpass the curse anyway, not to be a new gms

[dire lynx]

its both

why does it have to be one or the other, we know the weavers wanted one of silken strength to set them free

[limpid summit]

I think they thought a child of theirs would free them from GMS

But you are right bobbitt

I think divinity mimicked refers to the weavers

[edgy nebula]

possible, im just saying a direct replacement for gms like most people say is unlikely

[limpid summit]

Because at that point they would still not know about pharlids

Yeah

[marble oasis]

Atla weavers did know about the pharlids

[marble oasis]

How on earth is it talking about the weavers when the first half of the sentence is talking about eva

She is a wish cast vain, divinity mimicked in form too frail.

[marble oasis]

This low, her gaze escaped.
Prepare, sisters. Weave hope anew.
That we might break free this accursed web born of our naive foundation.

Naive foundation being the belief that they were actual daughters of GMS

[edgy nebula]

probably she/her

[limpid summit]

I don’t know about that

If FS was the first prisoner arrested in the Slab (likely) and also Atla (likely) why would they hold off on arresting her for that long

Naive foundation imo could realistically just refer to their birth in general

The accursed web is service to GMS we already know that

By their very nature as her daughters they were linked to the web

[pliant frost]

the exhaust needolin dialogue isnt really specific about whether it was lace's or phantom's memory, moreover there are variations in how they are referred to across languages (female in spanish and french, male and female interchangeably in russian, neutral in italian, german and english ofc) so i would guess especially with the interchanging of pronouns in the russian translation is to establish some sort of neutrality about their gender

but either way regardless of what sex they were born as that doesnt stop them from identifying neutrally the way they do now

or their thing of not identifying with a binary gender could also serve as symbolism for rejecting the role gms wanted for them

or hornet just doesnt know or care enough to find out what phantom is

hornet is first and foremost concerned with throwing hands with every thing she comes across she discriminates equally

except for when it comes to the craws and broodflies.

[dire lynx]

hornet is just very inconsistent when it comes to gendering in the journal, even calls garmond by "they" when we know hes he/him

based on what we read in the game, and know of the other children, phantom is probably she/her

[pliant frost]

fem-aligned nonbinary people are also a thing so they could just be one of those

I mean i dont think we ever see gms wanting any sons so

[dire lynx]

yes, all her children are daughters

[pliant frost]

id like to believe that their identity is part of their refusal to comply with gms's role for them

they play fire music tho

or well

steam

[dire lynx]

there is no reason to think that Phantom is not she/her. Lace refers to her sister, and all other children identify by it

[pliant frost]

wiki says theyre referred to with interchangeable gendered terms in russian

and also gender is very different from sex lmao

[dire lynx]

im aware, what does that have to do with what i said

"She spun us to fade...
She spun us to break...
Why us, sister?
Why us?"

[pliant frost]

if phantom is just she/her then theres no need for interchangeable pronouns in the russian translation, unless for whatever reason they made a mistake

gender is a spectrum and individuals who identify with something different from a community they associate themselves with are still very much valid

[marble oasis]

What’s naïve about being born normally

[dire lynx]

nobody is disagreeing with this statement

[pliant frost]

what im saying is if phantom is referred to ambiguously then its best to continue referring to them as such

[dire lynx]

shes called sister by lace

[marble oasis]

We don’t KNOW this is lace talking to be fair

[dire lynx]

the scrapped phantom lookalikes that were also in vats are called sleepers, would love to know the name for the asset of the silk shadow phantom

[pliant frost]

theyre also referred to with interchangeable masculine and feminine terms in russian. theres no reason to do that unless it was either a mistranslation or purposely done for ambiguity

and italian the needolin memory dialogue is "Ci ha tessuti perché scomparissimo..." which uses a verb that describes either an all male or mix of various genders group

[sharp wraith]

yo guys what is the true ending in hollow knight one agian

[dire lynx]

one of the godhome endings

[sharp wraith]

ohh

[dire lynx]

the TLs can be rather questionable, and as they arent directly from team cherry i wouldnt hold them in the same reguard as the original version

[pliant frost]

also scrapped content means nothing in canon because it is scrapped

[dire lynx]

phantom is still sitting inside a vat in the scene the needolin dialogue takes place

its pretty obviously lace talking here

[pliant frost]

it could literally be either. eva sure is damn well able to speak inside her confinements which suggests phantom also could

and before you argue again that "but its named sleep pod in the files"
plenty things are named different things in the files than they are named in game and in game there is no implication that phantom is sleeping

[dire lynx]

holy cope

done discussing this

[marble oasis]

Don’t listen to her

it’s intentionally left open

[edgy nebula]

i wonder if bell hermit had the same mentality he does before gms’ reign

[dire lynx]

i subscribe to the theory that its because of what groal did to his son

[edgy nebula]

it seems to very much refer to the citadel being deeprooted in pharloom’s culture

also i just realized an admin of the server voiced ckk that’s so tubular

[marble oasis]

He could be an uncle on a different side

[eternal basin]

I don't know I'm just dumb

But in og game we all know the reason the bugs attack you is because they are infected (at least mostly)

but why do they attack me in Silksong?

It makes no sense

[marble oasis]

They’re Haunted

[eternal basin]

Like?

[marble oasis]

Wdym

[eternal basin]

Haunted by gms?

[terse warren]

Yes

[eternal basin]

What does gms want from Hornet?

[terse warren]

To bind her to take her power, or at the very least kill her

[edgy nebula]

gms being desperate to wake, has sprung the haunting by controlling the dormant silk in bug's bodies, this makes them aggressive

oops i think i accidentally thumbsup reacted sorry

[edgy nebula]

the fact you originally got shaman crest from caretaker and he presumably didnt even die is crazy

[whole holly]

how is that possible?

[edgy nebula]

🤷 in the animation he just lays on the shaman bench, hornet binds him, and apparently he lives

[whole holly]

i mean did he somehow transfer lived experiences to hornet?

[whole holly]

where is that animation

[edgy nebula]

https://youtu.be/XmpCyJtZQVY?si=uU6p5jIQ8V6ii3jd

[whole holly]

other shamans kept him alive it seems

also i want to know more about shaman lore but they are dead

i hope some shaman appears in Barnacle Bay

[edgy nebula]

barnacle shaman based off of those poisonous sea snails

[whole holly]

interesting

my sea of sorrows predictions : we will get new memento, we will fight use elegy of deep on corpse shown in trailer, we will get new blue tool

what's your prediction for Sea of Sorrows DLC

[limpid summit]

At this point they still thought of themselves as rightfully divine

But this meant accepting their status as GMS’s daughters, thus being subservient to her and sustaining her

The web of their service was formed by their acceptance of their very nature

Naive foundation is just like “we got ourselves into this mess”

But it can’t have been the citadel (something they literally founded)

Cause thr atla mentions don’t work

Weave hope anew would be the snare setter, Eva, citadel

[marble oasis]

This doesn’t make any sense

If the web is their service to GMS rather than the Citadel, which I agree with, how does accepting their place in that make them naïve

They were naïve when they believed that really was their place because they were daughters of Silk

[limpid summit]

Because they’re suddenly like

Oh my god is this life

Are these the circumstances we accepted

They were chafing under her so much that some of them decided to run

Hmm lowkey let me think

I think it makes sense but I see wym

In a vacuum it’s like “oh that’s the citadel” but that doesn’t make sense in a wider context right

[limpid summit]

It’s like the son of a CEO who sets himself up for a cushy desk job at his dad’s company and suddenly realizes it sucks

[marble oasis]

This would be applicable if the Weavers ever actively engaged in worship of GMS

[ornate coral]

Probably the dead corpse is a new crest (seen that all the crest come from a dead bugs corpes) and in the switch 2 silksong files a submarine cutscene eas found, which is the same one that appears in the end of the trailer, so we eill probably use it to go somewhere idk

[near jasper]

Which dead corpse

[marble oasis]

“We will probably use the submarine to go somewhere”

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[whole holly]

lol

[near jasper]

"the Crest will come from a bug"

[ornate coral]

The one that's seen at the start of the trailer no?

[gusty tinsel]

is it true sherma is trans?

[ornate coral]

Idk man😭

[ornate coral]

What-

[whole holly]

idk man i am skeptical about that

[ornate coral]

AHH CMON I'M JUST GETTING BULLIED

[marble oasis]

Bro hedging his bets

Bro doesn’t want to be too hasty

[near jasper]

Pilgrim to mayor yes

[whole holly]

low risk low reward

[gusty tinsel]

fishermans crest

i predict

[marble oasis]

Alchemist

[gusty tinsel]

physicist's crest

[near jasper]

More pondcatcher reed content in sos

[ornate coral]

✨️Fish crest✨️

[whole holly]

crest might be alchemist but if they go to non-alchemist route it could be Navigator or Mariner

[gusty tinsel]

long rod crest

they should add fishing like stardew valley

[marble oasis]

Seafarer

[ornate coral]

I bet a rosary string it's fish crest

[whole holly]

that too

[near jasper]

Crest where you do the stardew fishing minigame as a needle art

[near jasper]

It deal 100 damage

[gusty tinsel]

hell yeah

[ornate coral]

Lol

[near jasper]

Stardew valley but Its sherma in the citadel

[gusty tinsel]

some goofy ahh playtester said wed have a sherma bossfight in #sk-discussion

[whole holly]

honestly, i think team cherry might surprise us and we won't have crest at all, perhaps we will use Elegy of Deep on said corpse?

[near jasper]

Lost sherma

[ornate coral]

It's really unlikely

[whole holly]

Absolute Plasmified Lost Sherma

[whole holly]

it would be nice though

[ornate coral]

Mhh yeah

But i really doubt

[gusty tinsel]

"soul of sherma" he said

it sounds super ambitious

[marble oasis]

We never use the Elegy on a corpse though

Only near death bugs

[gusty tinsel]

we might get a lot for this dlc

[ornate coral]

That would mean that guy was an ancient leader of pharloom tho

[near jasper]

Khann

[foggy fractal]

I think we might use it to go below the water?

[ornate coral]

On of the big leaders

[marble oasis]

Still alive

[gusty tinsel]

water bending crest

[ornate coral]

Nyleth?

[marble oasis]

still alive

[whole holly]

Khann and nyleth seem to be corpses, but i mean one of clover dancers is also a corpse, plus bug we see in chapel might be in similar state, or perhaps plasmified later in story

[near jasper]

She was prob alive

[ornate coral]

Wait no right

[gusty tinsel]

nyleth is a fucking statue

[ornate coral]

U can see it from the fountain water

[whole holly]

true

[ornate coral]

Yeah but when u kill her the water stops flowing from the hole of the statue

[gusty tinsel]

shit?

[near jasper]

And seths little neck foliage dies

[marble oasis]

There’s flowers coming out of the shrine that die when you take the heart

[gusty tinsel]

hows khann still alive tho?

[ornate coral]

So nyletg alive?

[near jasper]

Theres probably a root below the statue

[marble oasis]

Khann crusts over when we take his heart like every other Karak when they die

[ornate coral]

Which makes sense actually

[foggy fractal]

before and after 🤔

[ornate coral]

See

[marble oasis]

“Other, other, sleeping deep!”

[near jasper]

Why doesnt his needolin dialogue change after a century

[whole holly]

i think that body might be in similar state as well, possibly, or we might get Sailor Crest

[marble oasis]

wdym

[ornate coral]

Yeah

So elegy is not an option anymore

[gusty tinsel]

idk the corpse might not really be dead too who knows

[ornate coral]

He seems pretty dead tbh💀

[whole holly]

i know in my heart that we will get another blue tool

[whole holly]

i mean... so does khann but he isn't

[marble oasis]

Probably one of each colour, at least

[gusty tinsel]

tc are goofballs

[ornate coral]

We will probbaly get lots of new tools

[near jasper]

"Now none to resist... But us...
Alone... against the pale light..."

Theres no karak to resist

Except the one guy

[marble oasis]

Does this appear in present day coral tower?

[near jasper]

Yes

[ornate coral]

Yeah

[near jasper]

But he was asleep

[gusty tinsel]

the watcher looks pretty alive

[marble oasis]

I mean he’s not exactly keeping up with the latest television

[ornate coral]

Imagine khan was just sleeping

Wait

[near jasper]

1 dude is not "none to resist but us"

[whole holly]

team cherry uses unqiue words so i think it might be Mariner, Why: It is the most "poetic" and archaic version of a sea-farer, often used in old literature (like The Rime of the Ancient Mariner) to describe someone cursed or bound to the sea-fitting the "Witch/Shaman" vibe.

[marble oasis]

Does this not make more sense if they’re still alive in there then

[gusty tinsel]

he made a statement so plausible even his gang were left wordless

[near jasper]

Im pretty sure you can just break one of the corpses near him and they dont even do anything

[ornate coral]

Only one or 2 i think

I've been there for too long

[near jasper]

Yeah

[gusty tinsel]

f i s h

[marble oasis]

Alive but in no condition to fight back

Otherwise they would be moving

[ornate coral]

Isn't the watcher at the edge also in that kind of sleep?

[near jasper]

Or wake up?

Or react to the needolin

[ornate coral]

And gets woken with the needolin

[marble oasis]

.

watcher is clearly built different

look at his fucking health bar

[gusty tinsel]

skong lore makes my brain hurt

[ornate coral]

Yeah

[near jasper]

watcher is made for more dry climate around the edges of the coral gorge

[whole holly]

it is not lore, more like inconsistency of it

[near jasper]

It makes sense hed survive this long

[gusty tinsel]

im pretty sure "crust" refers to dry

[marble oasis]

Crust is coral

[gusty tinsel]

oh?

im stupid

[ornate coral]

Yeah

[near jasper]

Huh

[whole holly]

i hope we don't get Crabs in Pharloom Bay, though

[gusty tinsel]

mr krabs crest

[near jasper]

Technically watcher at the edge isnt even stated to be gray from age

[ornate coral]

Use money to get stronger

[marble oasis]

He is grey for an incredible reason

[gusty tinsel]

gay from age

[whole holly]

it could be dust

[ornate coral]

That'a not the term bud💔

[marble oasis]

That’s a pretty credible reason

[ornate coral]

He moves a lot, probably not dust

[limpid summit]

They did

[ornate coral]

There's not even traces or red

[limpid summit]

Widow cutscene

[whole holly]

he is immobile before you play needolin

[gusty tinsel]

i dont think the watcher was moving before us

[near jasper]

Or white outside higlights

[ornate coral]

Yeah but after waking him up he's still grey

[marble oasis]

Yeah the part where they stop playing and look up in fear when GMS arrives says they really enjoyed their jobs

[ornate coral]

He's the watcher at the edge, was made to watch the kingdom

[whole holly]

he could be permanently greyed from dust/sand

[gusty tinsel]

you dont shake off years of dust immediately after waking up

[limpid summit]

I mean true

[ornate coral]

But there's no traces

[limpid summit]

But “for her light eternal our song sustains” comes at the end

[gusty tinsel]

sleeper at the edge 😹

[marble oasis]

For the Citadel eternal our Underwork sustains

[near jasper]

I mean the pinstress house is also very old but not greying from dust

[ornate coral]

For the citadel eternal our bilewater sustains

[marble oasis]

Do you think he and Lurien would have been friends

[ornate coral]

Mhh

They both chilling

[limpid summit]

Is that Lurien connection

[gusty tinsel]

sbr this month!!

[near jasper]

Its interesting pharloom was once surrounded by water on both sides

[ornate coral]

Notice how putrified ducts has no bosses

Could be?

[near jasper]

Muckmaggot Queen

Trust

[ornate coral]

That's not a boss-

[ornate coral]

Oh hell nah

[near jasper]

Soon

[ornate coral]

I'm leaving💔

[gusty tinsel]

"pharloom bay" is an area shown in the teaser next to the ducts

[ornate coral]

Putrified ducts sucks ass

[gusty tinsel]

or was it bilewater?

[marble oasis]

Seth

[limpid summit]

“Seth”

[gusty tinsel]

what????

[near jasper]

Ducts is like bilewater but less good

[ornate coral]

At least bile has good music

[marble oasis]

Best my flea dodge score

[near jasper]

And lore

[bleak ridge]

Ducts has nothing good about it on gng

[near jasper]

Except fleas

[ornate coral]

It doesn't have a boss

[gusty tinsel]

bilewater is fucking goated people complaining just need to get good

[bleak ridge]

Even the supposed "good" thing which is fleas is absolutely fucking ass

[bleak ridge]

Fleas SUCK

[marble oasis]

i am quite fond of Longclaw

[ornate coral]

I'm not flexing, but i beated groal in 4 tries

[near jasper]

My only issue with bilewater is it was too hidden ngl

[near jasper]

Ok grubfather

[ornate coral]

I got there by accident while searching for the directors melody😭

[bleak ridge]

Bilewater is so overhated for no reason honestly

[near jasper]

The directors melody

[ornate coral]

#Love for bilewater

[bleak ridge]

Grubfather was lowk a goat tho you can't even disagree, he sacrificed himself so the grubs could metamorphosis

[gusty tinsel]

the hidden bench isnt even that bad, the bench in sinners road teaches you to look for it in the first place

and the 100 other hidden benches in the game

[near jasper]

I didnt mean the bench

[gusty tinsel]

fair

[near jasper]

The entire area isnt mentioned a single time outside itself

I beat all of act 2 before I found bilewater

[gusty tinsel]

the caretaker

[bleak ridge]

Lore wise that makes sense since it's basically the dump of the entirety of pharloom

[near jasper]

Which dialogue

[gusty tinsel]

gives u hints about it

[bleak ridge]

Caretaker has bilewater dialogue?

[ornate coral]

There's a big ass space in the right space of the map, "i think there's smth there no?"

[gusty tinsel]

to search for the seekers soul?

[bleak ridge]

That's like literally at the end of act 2 tho lmao

[ornate coral]

When do u want to go in bilewater excuse me?

[gusty tinsel]

thats how i discovered bilewater though lol

[near jasper]

You need to enter bilewater to get there

[bleak ridge]

As soon as I get volt vessels (groal cheese✌️😂🐘🌾)

[gusty tinsel]

you cant do anything there without double jump no?

[near jasper]

For shakras wish to get silk and soul

[ornate coral]

(Groal cheese got patched)

[ornate coral]

Which is late act 2 btw

[bleak ridge]

I think the patch I play on is like really old since I'm on mobile

[ornate coral]

Oop-

[gusty tinsel]

i had to google for the volt vessels after act 3 lol

[bleak ridge]

I guess so

[gusty tinsel]

missed it

[ornate coral]

U need double jump

So that's late act 2 for me

[bleak ridge]

Fair

[near jasper]

The entirety of bilewater was like the only thing I missed in my casual playthrough

[gusty tinsel]

me 2

[ornate coral]

I'm still concerned about the fact that the weavers went in the abyss

[bleak ridge]

I missed wisp thicket in my first play through, it's genuinely so irrelevant lmao

[ornate coral]

Like

[gusty tinsel]

it has a flea

wisp thicket

[near jasper]

And the entrace is pretty visible

[bleak ridge]

Yeah that's how I discovered it, I looked everywhere around for how to get it

[gusty tinsel]

that i actually in the underworks

[ornate coral]

And a craftmetal, mask shard, 2 enemies, a boss, a bench and a tool,

That's it

[near jasper]

Better than ducts

[gusty tinsel]

wisp thicket has a shard?

[bleak ridge]

I saw the entrance for the first time when I didn't have double jump and then completely forgot about it for my entire play through

[bleak ridge]

Yea

[ornate coral]

Everything better than ducts

[gusty tinsel]

dont remember

[ornate coral]

All right

Also

Genuine question

[near jasper]

Hm?

[ornate coral]

Putrified ducts or deepnest

[bleak ridge]

I really hate ducts but navigating deepnest is hell so I have no choice but to choose ducts

[near jasper]

Deepnest Is better but ducts is easier

[ornate coral]

Deepnest has really nothing good

[near jasper]

A dreamer

[ornate coral]

Tell me one good thing about deepnest

[near jasper]

Tram pass

[bleak ridge]

It's a really cool area tho

[ornate coral]

About gameplay i mean

[bleak ridge]

The atmosphere

[ornate coral]

Yeah for claustrophobic people-

[ornate coral]

Uh

[bleak ridge]

Don't forget arachnophobia

[ornate coral]

Okay other than that

[ornate coral]

Yeah shit-

[near jasper]

Lore

[ornate coral]

Okay it's not that awful but it's bad

[bleak ridge]

Pale ore

[ornate coral]

Uh

[near jasper]

Spiders

[ornate coral]

That's not a good thing-

[near jasper]

😔

[bleak ridge]

Weaversong tho🥺🥺

[gusty tinsel]

i actually liked deepnest

[ornate coral]

Weaversong?

Who uses that😭

[gusty tinsel]

cheesers lmao

[ornate coral]

We talking about hk in silksong channel 😃

[near jasper]

Yes

[bleak ridge]

The great and magnificent weaversong+grubsong combo

[near jasper]

We should talk about balatro

[ornate coral]

Song

[bleak ridge]

Talking about HK general is sk lore

[gusty tinsel]

are yall excited for invincible season 4?

[ornate coral]

What-

[bleak ridge]

I've already read the comics and I'm scared about the animation but apparently there's gonna be show only stuff so that's cool

[gusty tinsel]

just downloaded balatro today oving it fr

[gusty tinsel]

sheesh it looks like theyre saving the budget for the big moments this season too

[near jasper]

Sea of sorrow idea

[gusty tinsel]

make the sea sorrowful

[bleak ridge]

Honestly they would've had a bigger budget for animation if they didn't hire the most famous actors to voice random ass people

[near jasper]

You can get rid of the parasite by drowining it in plasmium

[whole holly]

lol

[gusty tinsel]

ikr we got aaron paul for one season hes apparently not coming back

[ornate coral]

Makes sense actually

[gusty tinsel]

as powerplex

[ornate coral]

We need more yellow tools

[bleak ridge]

Weird, powerplex appears again in the comics tho

[near jasper]

We're probably getting more plasmium cocoons to plasmify while cursed

[bleak ridge]

Only small interactions nothing important but still are they just gonna remove him

[ornate coral]

Yeah there really is few

[gusty tinsel]

yes theyre prob getting someone else i really loved aaron pauls work here as u can tell by my pfp

[gusty tinsel]

😔

[bleak ridge]

True

[near jasper]

I wonder if yarnaby Will have different dialogue for being plasmified with the parasite

[gusty tinsel]

i really want a big plasmium monster to fight 🥶

[near jasper]

Absolute zango in godhome

[gusty tinsel]

lmao

[bleak ridge]

Maybe the plasmium higher being in the lifeblood core

[gusty tinsel]

yes please

[bleak ridge]

Radiant zango should be enough 🌾🌾

[gusty tinsel]

i cant wait for sos ! team cherry release sea of sorrow and my life is yours

[near jasper]

Team Cherry should scrap sea of sorrow for silk eater dlc

[gusty tinsel]

silk eater seperate game

hollow knight: styx

[near jasper]

Its weird the silkeater void mass doesnt yk

Have void silk

Replace the silk cocoons

Theyre Just kinda holding it

Its a bit darker but theres also a voided silk eater inside so like

[gusty tinsel]

omg i got image perms

[near jasper]

And we know its using soul silk because it gives soul when you hit it

Its weird that styx nest is fully made of silk

He probably changes masks a lot when interacting with other people so the web staying intact is weird

And the silk is strong enough to hold you

Like how is this guy a silk expert

Or was there just an australian weaver nesting in the ceiling

[near jasper]

Well ig he was a greymoor slave

Maybe the reason he's got no face is ego death from being enslaved then thrown into the hell road

[frank dove]

Bro bouta lose them 😭

[frosty gate]

And you decided to post an off topic image in the one place where you shouldn't post an off topic image?

[finite wind]

can anyone drop the lore for sister splinter

like everything we know

and also, what does the leaf growing from her carcass mean

same thing for green prince

[near jasper]

She's a big splinter lady thats basically in charge of shellwood for now

[near jasper]

New plant bug growing

[limpid summit]

She’s the leader of the splinters and the current “ruler” of Shellwood

All her dnd is about rule

She talks about “other other sleeping deep” (probably Nyleth)

[frosty gate]

Some say that plant bug would be the new Ruler of Shellwood the same way as Nyleth

[limpid summit]

And “Sisters sisters so long gone” (either other members of her species or the Weavers)

[frosty gate]

Verdania grows again

[near jasper]

Its weird you can kill 3 rulers of shellwood technically counting that

[frosty gate]

Also, let me summon Bobbit rq, can we talk about how Karak is the only fucked place?

Like Verdania is regrowing

[near jasper]

Nah

They just need water and theyll be coming back

[frosty gate]

Far Fields will be tended by the ants and maybe the girl, I forgot her name

Gilly

[near jasper]

Which shouldnt be hard on a kingdom once surrounded by water on both sides

[limpid summit]

It really is

Maybe some migrating Karaka like Garro will come back or the destruction of the Citadel will lead some excess water to overflow

But honestly it’s so weird that we kill watcher at the edge in context

We just wake him up and execute him

[near jasper]

Tc needed us to beat a karak to death to give the lore they regrow

Also hornets kind of a dick

[frosty gate]

And Shellwood possibly is growing a new Nyleth

Karak has no shit

No one

The place is dead

Everyone is dead

[limpid summit]

I forgot you can feed him to the sandcarvers lmao

[frosty gate]

And the one who wasn't we killed him

[near jasper]

Same for verdania

[frosty gate]

Nuh huh

Verdania is regrowing on its own

[near jasper]

Its not like theres no rain

[frosty gate]

Except there isn't

We haven't seen any

And Karak has been dead for a while

[near jasper]

The citadel got rid of the river

Itll come back eventually now its gone

[frosty gate]

And Karak would need Mt Fay to melt in order to function again

[frosty gate]

We really don't know

I honestly see either the Moss or Lifeblood taking over Karak

Or Shellwood

It's free real state

[near jasper]

Lifeblood well probably kill off in sos

[frosty gate]

I wouldn't be so sure, unless we found a cure for Lifeblood

[near jasper]

We can just kill the sources of lifeblood then the plasmified bugs

Or just throw bricks at the abyss creature until it leaves

[frosty gate]

I don't think it works like that

[near jasper]

Hallownest did it so it can't be that hard

[frosty gate]

The KING did it

The one that was a GOD

Who had a massive pool of ANTIMATTER at his disposal and the knowledge to use it

[near jasper]

Lifeblood and void are ok with eachother

[frosty gate]

They aren't, from what we see

[near jasper]

?

[frosty gate]

The Void avoids Lifeblood

From what we see in Chapter 3

[near jasper]

Or they're ok with eachother

[frosty gate]

Wdym ok with each other? They're buddies now???

[near jasper]

Lifeblood was birthed in the abyss

And never attacked by void

[frosty gate]

No it wasn't

[frosty gate]

I never said that Lifeblood attacks the Void

I said Void avoids Lifeblood

[near jasper]

Neither did I

By

[frosty gate]

You did????

Oh wait you said Viceversa

Anyway it's still wrong

Raw Void doesn't like going near Lifeblood for some reason

[near jasper]

They have no reason to

Void attacks soul and essence

Pure lifeblood doesnt have that

[frosty gate]

Except the Plasmified things in Chapter three still have Soul from what I recall

[near jasper]

Yes

[frosty gate]

So????

[near jasper]

They're like the infected crossroads guys

They have soul because they're bugs with lifeblood

[frosty gate]

And Void avoids them

[near jasper]

Because void and lifeblood are ok with eachother

[frosty gate]

You are giving sentience to things that do not have it

[flint relic]

twis your argument is buns ur js looking at it in the wrong way

[near jasper]

the void and lifeblood dont fight, theyre just ok with eachother for some reason

[near jasper]

And the burning bugs but im not seeing any father of flame glaze

[finite wind]

where did she come from

and why is she the leader

did nyleth create her and name her the new leader

[near jasper]

Shes probably just the oldest splinter alive

[finite wind]

and who's she sister too

why does she have hair

[near jasper]

Prob nyleth

[near jasper]

Gender

[finite wind]

which one?

is that splinters do?

[near jasper]

Idk man

[finite wind]

huh

but nyleth created her?

[near jasper]

Idk

[edgy nebula]

no

[finite wind]

and they don't look anything alike

not even as powerful

[edgy nebula]

nyleth prolly didn't make her

[near jasper]

The only thing I can say nyleth probably did make is seths neck thingy

[finite wind]

well if anyone knows more about her tell me

[spark valve]

If anything the implication is she only flourished because of nyleth’s absence

[frosty gate]

My brother in christ the difference between what's going on in Wormways and what's going on with the Burning Bugs is gigantic

Burning Bugs weren't Haunted in the first place

This isn't even an argument, it's straight up a fact, you can go check it out

[frosty gate]

How a I looking at it in the wrong way???

[foggy stratus]

My personal headcanon is that the flame cult guys saw the Grimm Troupe(probably one of the scout people guys) and are trying to mimic them(kinda poorly tbh) and the Father of the Flameisbtheir attempt at what they assume the Grimm Troupe’s Higher Being is.

[edgy nebula]

prolly not

[foggy stratus]

Still, fun to believe in.

[marble oasis]

They are Haunted I’m afraid

[foggy stratus]

The flame dudes?

Don’t they burn any silk in them?

[marble oasis]

Yes

When you Needolin them they have the same Silk strands going up to GMS

[lunar wing]

Abbaccio, is that you

[frosty gate]

They still burn away the Silk and are unable to become Black threaded

[marble oasis]

If anything that says that fire is anti-Void not anti-Silk

[foggy stratus]

The lantern you get from Father of the Flame activity burns Hornet’s Silk. Since the flame enemies have a similar effect with their wisps it’s not crazy to assume they also burn Silk to produce them.

[near jasper]

The burning bugs werent that evil ngl

[foggy stratus]

Ye, they’re pretty chill.

[near jasper]

Hornet just goes and kills some people who are actually Fighting of the haunting and getting rid of possesed husks for a tool

[foggy stratus]

Hey, in her defense they reminded her of the Grimm Troupe probably maybe ok probably not.

[near jasper]

The grimm troupe are just keeping a guy on life support with a loophole to not get him unplugged

[marble oasis]

She killed Green Prince for a memento

[foggy stratus]

Not a guy, it’s a Higher Being.

[near jasper]

Close enough

[foggy stratus]

Eh, not really.

[near jasper]

What is it

From

Drapemite

Her mask was removed, she just put some cloth to not look ugly

Its fine

[sturdy knot]

so i was going around the slab and noticed that the penetient twelth of first is guilty of an unamed sin, and was "casted", is there any possiblity that this is one of the clover dancers?

[edgy nebula]

no

not only is gp's lover not in the slab but they arent even part of the citadel and them being transformed was through a treaty, not as a punishment for sinning

[plain ruin]

Almost positive that slab entry refers to Widow

First Sinner’s the First of the First, and casting could be a way of referring to having iron rods shoved in your spine

[sturdy knot]

hornet gets sent to the slab, same for first sinner, and grindle all not parts of the citidel

[plain ruin]

?

The First Sinner was once a part of the Citadel, being a Weaver and all

[edgy nebula]

hornet was captured to be brought to gms, not for a sin
first sinner was part of the citadel
grindle isnt captured

[plain ruin]

She’s been there for a long, long time

[sturdy knot]

i rember seeing grindle durring the escape sequence in the slab...

[edgy nebula]

he's looking for loot

[plain ruin]

Grindle was captured by the Slab, but not as a penitent

He’s just a common thief

He certainly isn’t one of the bugs mentioned in the lore tablets

[sturdy knot]

another thing i noticed is that the entry says unnamed sin, if it was widow, they would probably state something else like apostacy

[plain ruin]

Apostasy doesn’t really fit Widow, though

First Sinner was guilty of apostasy because she had uncovered the truth of their origins, proving that the Weavers weren’t divine

But Widow just kinda betrayed them more than anything, attempting to awaken GMS instead of keeping her asleep

Could also be that she was pushed to support GMS because of something the other Weavers did to her, but it’s impossible to know for sure

[sturdy knot]

i kinda just think that lore tablets get widow projected onto them as there is very little on her

also annother thing, metal casting is when a mould is used to create metal, a process that was used for the cogwork dancers

[plain ruin]

That’s a definition of casting, sure, but it doesn’t explain the “Twelfth of the First” thing

[sturdy knot]

it was the twelth of the first sinner idk

it could be their numbering system or somthing

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