sk-lore

[blazing venture]

You know those

[whole holly]

yes, Deepnest really resembles Wastes, biologically, i think parts of hallownest was wastes at least before Pale King's metamorphosis, beacon and Hallownest infrastructure

[blazing venture]

Worms in deepnest and Kingdoms edge

That act as spikes

You cant get their journal entries or anything

But they look like Garpids

[prime mantle]

oh the thorns in the climb do look like the thorns in deepnest

iirc

[whole holly]

that might be flora in wastes... or other extreme environment, unless Beings like Old Hearts and Higher Beings change it so it is not that surprising

[prime mantle]

deepnest was a realm before the weavers though, idk just how much they wouldve brought over

[whole holly]

it is weird that Moss Lands seems to be only one with naturally occurring flora and lush lands without a heart but that might be unique environment, it was supposed to be close to verdania after all

[prime mantle]

moss is a lot hardier than clovers or grass

[blazing venture]

i think its because Moss grows everywhere

[prime mantle]

and it technically was close to water before the citadel piped karak home

[blazing venture]

Like on rocks and stuff

[prime mantle]

maybe some water still leaks now that the citadel is down, that's all they'd really need

[whole holly]

i don't think they brought anything, they just naturally resemble extreme environment in wastes, because that's kind of default setting of climate

[blazing venture]

I think the reason why the Mosslands are fine is because its extremely far from the citadel

[prime mantle]

tho maybe not since karak is crusty as hell. it could be leaking from greymoor to shellwood though

[whole holly]

there is Clover and Pendra in Moss lands too

[whole holly]

they have water source as well, it is grotto after all

[blazing venture]

I think the chapel maid maintains the mosslands

Probably

Idk

[whole holly]

no, water is at bottom of Moss Grotto, we see in weavenest as well, Mosslands retain water kind of

[prime mantle]

ohhh right, yeah it has its own water then, that's more than enough

especially with the warmth from the east

and the churned nutrients from the wormways

[whole holly]

if anything it should be moss druid, moss lands are trying to create heart, moss druid is more of accelerationist

[blazing venture]

Guys is the stuff in mount fay snow or feathers from the fay moth thing?

[whole holly]

yea unique access to resources, which tends to be rare

[blazing venture]

Ahh

Yeah the moss druid mentions one of the hearts

[whole holly]

Moss Druid talks about it too

[blazing venture]

Iirc

Dance of the queen

she says

[prime mantle]

it's some sort of dandelion looking particle, you might have seen the white bushes

[blazing venture]

I think

[blazing venture]

Maybe

[prime mantle]

she talks about the other two as well

[blazing venture]

Yeah i just cant remember what she says

She says something about wood

For Nyleth

I think

[prime mantle]

interestingly i dont think hollow knight would have hearts, maybe besides vespa

[whole holly]

i love Moss Druid

[prime mantle]

there's higher beings in basically every area

[whole holly]

there is isma, monomon as well

[blazing venture]

Fun fact: the VA of shakra voices Moss druid

[prime mantle]

isma's grove is too small before ghost eats her yummy fruit

[blazing venture]

Unn?

[prime mantle]

unn is a higher being

[blazing venture]

Oh yeah right

[prime mantle]

the mushrooms can't have a heart because they're in union

[edgy nebula]

and first sinner

[blazing venture]

and widow, sister splinter, the last judge, nuu and gilly

[whole holly]

doesn't mean they can't have heart, nyleth is also connected to rest of shellwood...

[prime mantle]

and deepnest's king might have been hb and was likely what preserved the nest

[blazing venture]

does anyone have an idea why Herrah looks so weird?

[prime mantle]

nyleth specifically originated the whole thing, and she's an individual

[whole holly]

it is probably this:

[blazing venture]

Compared to other weavers

[blazing venture]

Ohh yeahh this guys dream nail dialogue bitches about the pale king i think

[whole holly]

not really a reason why mushroom's can have heart...

[whole holly]

so, that's fruit not heart, and monomon is likely heart as well

[prime mantle]

that momma mushroom might have been, if they were distinct, but i think if there were a heart among mushrooms itd be shared across the connection. a heart is a very individual thing, and the mushrooms are in communion

[whole holly]

hive is also communal, heart can unite hivemind, or community

[prime mantle]

i dont think they're the same, hive is very much under vespa's command, the myshrooms don't have those vibes iykwim

anyway i think monomon is too artificial to be a heart? i don't think fog canyon would die with her

[whole holly]

i mean, she likely sustains it, and fog canyon has unique flora

[prime mantle]

while she did likely breed the smarter jellyfish, i dont think we're hinted towards her sustaining the canyon herself

it's already very close to flourishing areas like queen's gardens, greenpath and fungal caverns

[blazing venture]

Guys i know this is completely unrelated to ss and this discussion but i really wanna know if theres anything about this room

In grimms tent

[prime mantle]

could be a collection of masks

[edgy nebula]

it's called a chart in the files, when you use a spell on it there's a seal on it that looks like a supercluster

[prime mantle]

oh you meant the planetarium

[blazing venture]

What about the pole and the chests

[prime mantle]

yeah this is probably a map

[whole holly]

She fits description

[prime mantle]

grimm does need to navigate the nightmare realm and find ritual grounds

[prime mantle]

if she did indeed make fog canyon foggy and jelly, she would, true

[blazing venture]

Guys have you seen the theory that Herrah is a clothmite?

[whole holly]

I mean I doubt Khann made Coral Crusty but sure, Isma and Vespa are likely hearts as well

[edgy nebula]

khann didnt make karak, past kings existed

[prime mantle]

isma has the potential to be a heart

[whole holly]

She is heart of the Grove in literal sense

[prime mantle]

i guess it depends on the question of how strong a heart must be before they can be a heart

i guess you could technically be a rather weak heart, of a small grove

[whole holly]

Green Princes implies it is predetermined from birth

[blazing venture]

dung defender is the heart of the shit tunnels🔥🔥🔥✍️✍️✍️

[whole holly]

Moss heart will be weak too with that logic since moss Druid thinks she hears faint beating

[prime mantle]

green princes are kinda... wack though. i wouldnt take them as an example. especially when the shamans and hornet show the power of a heart can be taken and used for other means, so it can likely be transfered as well

[prime mantle]

legit could be true

[whole holly]

Old Hearts are less uniform than you think

[prime mantle]

i think they can grow, is what i meant. isma is growing

[blazing venture]

Flukemarm is the heart of the flukes and flukenest✍️✍️🔥🔥

[whole holly]

Many of five great knights could be

[prime mantle]

...flukemarm could legit be a heart too

[blazing venture]

im so smart

[whole holly]

Some mantises even traitors child

[blazing venture]

oops

[prime mantle]

traitor's child has fragile flowers in her flora, if she grew she'd be a strong heart. i mean, she's trapped by white lady. but white lady is nice she'll let her do her thing

i wonder if widow could be a heart

[blazing venture]

A heart for what tho

[prime mantle]

if hornet doesnt come along

[prime mantle]

a haunting bell-heart

[blazing venture]

Pinmaster plinney is the heart of pins

just kidding

[prime mantle]

though she serves gms directly so prolly not

[blazing venture]

Possibly

Guys

Dude

The fay moth

Can be heart

Whatever its called

[whole holly]

She is dead , but grey mourner and some mantises could be

[edgy nebula]

prolly not

[whole holly]

Fell heart of frost is how Mister Mushroom refers to them

[blazing venture]

exactly

Imagine a fay moth boss in future dlc

Alternative heart

Though they arent dead

Or sleeping

oh wait green prince didnt have to sleep

Nvm

and karmelita

[whole holly]

Lifeblood Heart and Nightmare Heart exist, so not everything referred to as heart is old heart

[prime mantle]

id agree, i think with elbow grease any mortal bug could theoretically attain enough power

[lime osprey]

Fayforn is just a higher being

[blazing venture]

Lifeblood heart is a charm and nightmare heart is a higher being

[edgy nebula]

dont think she is

[whole holly]

So Like Soul Master-style

[prime mantle]

i wonder if you can become a higher being, is the next question, but that would be much harder even if it was possible

[blazing venture]

Probably not

[lime osprey]

She is trust

[edgy nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1461739459857879080/image0.gif

[blazing venture]

Just glow a lil

[lime osprey]

And why do you claim otherwise

[blazing venture]

They havent done anything Higher beingy

[whole holly]

Hearts can turn into mementos so still could be a heart

[prime mantle]

i will never give up on bird feyforn. yes i know she has two lines on her tummy. shut up...... ..... ...

[blazing venture]

Memento just means a valuable object u keep

[lime osprey]

The weavers used to commune with it for certain favors. And it’s the entire reason there is a chill wind blasting the whole time

[whole holly]

Grimm is technically old heart, he himself is mortal, no one said heart can’t have higher being power, thanks to team cherry’s vagueness he fits the definition

[lime osprey]

Also it birthed the little fay creatures

[blazing venture]

I see but Nyleth sustained and created(?) Shellwood and is not a higher being

[whole holly]

So is Charm

[blazing venture]

Charms are magical tho but i see your point

[edgy nebula]

created yes

[prime mantle]

i legit think faydown can duplicate in the presence of the blessed btw. that's why its precious imo. and why hornet doesn't run out in two seconds after double jumping

[whole holly]

So are mementos kinda

[lime osprey]

Nyleth is mortal and ages, she also has no hints of having an otherworldly allure unlike Fay

[whole holly]

What do y’all think about this

[blazing venture]

Groal could be a heart

If you think about it

[lime osprey]

The hearts likely have causation with being a sovereign in some way

[opaque pier]

Whats the current definition of an old heart

[prime mantle]

im wishywashy on distinctualizing grimm being nightmare heart and grimm being a regular hb/b that has to respawn.

the former makes more sense but the latter is really good angst. cant decide

[whole holly]

Ehh, yes but vaguely

[lime osprey]

Not really vaguely, all of those confirmed are supreme sovereigns of their ecosystem

[blazing venture]

A heart thats old🔥

your welcome

[opaque pier]

Bru

[whole holly]

So is Grimm in troupe, in physical world

[lime osprey]

I am not in agreeance with their classifications of it

[prime mantle]

nyleth doesn't really have anyone she rules over besides seth tbf. she is a sovereign and the highest authority in shellwood, but i dont think she rules anyone

[whole holly]

It is just powerful mortals that sustain ecosystems

[opaque pier]

So the karak kingdom dried up because khann died?

[lime osprey]

She controlled the shellwood and prevented any resident from attacking wayward outsiders to make it safe for passengers

[prime mantle]

no, khann is alive

[whole holly]

I have no idea that is mystery to me too

[blazing venture]

what

[lime osprey]

Khann is alive but dormant

[whole holly]

Then he should be able to maintain the Karaks

[blazing venture]

So hes in a coma

[opaque pier]

Dry and hybernating but yeah hes alive i guess

[prime mantle]

yeah, but you can see how this doesn't really match with all the other three ruling actual kingdoms with many subjects

[opaque pier]

Throne was too comfy and he took a nap

[whole holly]

Alchemist is also alive

[lime osprey]

Alive like Watcher on the Edge

[plain gazelle]

nyleth is a bit different because the life in shellwood isn't sapient like the rest of them, but they all still hear nyleth's voice and she seems to lead them

[whole holly]

Plasmium Blood suggests Plasmium Heart

[opaque pier]

Not anymore 👅 👅

[prime mantle]

dont let this bitch be a heart 😭

[blazing venture]

If only hornet splashed water on him and they teamed up, overthrew the citadel and made their own Kingdom✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 im such a fire writer

[whole holly]

If his heart is plasmified, then yes

[lime osprey]

She was confirmed to lead and rule over them

[prime mantle]

hornet waters khann and then fixes him send that to ao3

[opaque pier]

Khann, you are the song to my silk

[blazing venture]

Hornet, you are the sea to my sorrow

[whole holly]

Is Shakespeare really dead?

[prime mantle]

could nyleth fix khann i think she could. she's just peak like that 😮‍💨 another w for shellwood patriots

[opaque pier]

Midwood, greenpath better

[blazing venture]

Greenpath clears all nature areas in silksong im afraid

[prime mantle]

he tries to conquer shellwood but then he sees her lovely petals

[opaque pier]

I want my ecosystem to be generated by a higher being, not a weak plant 🔥 🔥 🔥

[prime mantle]

putting two bad bitches against each other is this misogyny.....

[opaque pier]

Unn is female?

[prime mantle]

unn and nyleth would be best friends they both love sleeping

[opaque pier]

Damn i thought unn's gender was like slug or something

[lime osprey]

Nyleth is aging and withering while Unn is diminishing there’s a difference trust

[blazing venture]

is Einstein really dead?

[prime mantle]

unn will die of heartbreak like pk when nyleth passes

[lime osprey]

Unn is dying because the radiance and white lady obliterated her claim to the ecosystem

[opaque pier]

Speaking of einstein dow e have a tesla and einstein sticker with hk characters?

[blazing venture]

I love this community

[blazing venture]

Unn will die of acid becaus slug cant liv in assid🧠

[prime mantle]

i always kinda thought monomon was one

[lime osprey]

Oof

Monomon lowkey unexplainable

[prime mantle]

hot bitches in hallownest ruling circle when an explanation on their bodies is requires

wl:
herrah:
monomon:
isma:
dryya:

zemer:

[blazing venture]

give me your top 5 baddest in Pharloom

[opaque pier]

Gms, shes pretty bad because she made a lot of bugs suffer

[blazing venture]

No i meant

Baddies

[prime mantle]

gurr the outcast
grand mother silk
skarrsinger karmelita
crust king khann
shakra

[whole holly]

Still GMS, not a lore topic

[blazing venture]

gms
Lace
Phantom
Karmelita
Shakra

[prime mantle]

we have talked about white lady breeding at length here today...

[blazing venture]

first sinner also kinda bad lowk

[prime mantle]

i like widow

widow deserved the world tbh. she just wanted to be loved

[blazing venture]

Hmm

Justified

[prime mantle]

i think it was probably the weavers who injured her

[blazing venture]

Yeah

Guys have y’all ever played this niche old

Flash game

Zombotron

[polar turtle]

What happened to Green Prince's bf? I never really understood

[edgy nebula]

sold his body to the citadel in exchange for keeping verdania safe

[fading shard]

sacrificed himself in vain

[polar turtle]

Ohhh
It did NOT work 😭

[edgy nebula]

yeah nah

[sinful nimbus]

Cogwork Dancers contains his soul

[edgy nebula]

funny because they couldve probably just slimed the conductors out

[polar turtle]

True lmao

Thanks!

[frosty gate]

They didn't honor the deal.

Plus, Verdania was dying nonetheless

[polar turtle]

Doesnt surprise me coming from the Citadel ngl

[carmine oak]

why was conductor Ballador not transformed into a cogwork construct if the last edict accepting the final form was indeed the last edict?

[frosty gate]

I think there wasn't even a deal btw

Like I think the other Prince just went up and said

"Use me and leave my people alone"

And they said "We're gonna use you and still fuck your people up"

But tbf, I don't know if the Citadel actually directly ruin Verdania

[edgy nebula]

it's possible after gp's lover's death and him locking himself away, the surrounding environment was destroyed by the already polluted lands around it

[frosty gate]

Tammo will say it's talking about regular bugs giving up their shells, but not the Conductors because they're holy.

I say it's talking about the Cogwork Core

[edgy nebula]

citadel might not have even done anything

[frosty gate]

Agreed

You know, I think whatever triggered the Haunting has to do with the Cogwork Core and maybe even the dancers ngl

[high bronze]

I’m very sorry for this

But legitimate questions, what is the deal with the weaver song charm from the first game, are they living things? Or smth else

[frosty gate]

Probably silk

[high bronze]

That was my next guess

[frosty gate]

Would made sense why it drains soul

[low oracle]

They are probably rune filled (artificial) shells, working similar to the weaver robots.

[low oracle]

Huh?

[frosty gate]

I mean yeah they fucked up Bilewater but we don't really know what happened with Verdania

[high bronze]

I don’t think silk and soul are interchangeable tho?

[frosty gate]

The Weaversong drains soul

[frosty gate]

Silk is made out of soul stretched thin

[foggy fractal]

does weaversong take soul to summon? iirc that's the other one

[low oracle]

Nope.

[high bronze]

Good lord i feel so out of touch with this info

[low oracle]

Silk is made from soul, spun to thread. Stretched thin is kinda oversimplified. @high bronze this is the actual definition.

[low oracle]

It doesn't, dude is just spreading false info.

[foggy fractal]

well anyway Hornet has said that she has seen life woven by silk before but they are tiny and transient

[frosty gate]

Oh wait those are the flies?

[high bronze]

Thats glowing womb

[dire lynx]

objectively correct

[foggy fractal]

probably refering to the weaverlings

[frosty gate]

No need for such aggression, dear god

God forbid I forget a detail

[dire lynx]

it doesnt, but you see them being spun from silk when they spawn

[low oracle]

Yes.

[high bronze]

Yo i fw the connection here

[low oracle]

Not trying to be aggressive, I'm just pointing out the false info.

[frosty gate]

It's just a mistake, false info sounds judgy

[high bronze]

It did come off a bit rude

Just correct and forget

[frosty gate]

Yeah dw

[frosty gate]

I did oversimplify this tho

[high bronze]

So silk is made from soul

[dire lynx]

yes

[high bronze]

But it isn’t soul anymore

Or ig it is?

[dire lynx]

it still is, just a different form

[frosty gate]

It's still kinda soul

Just in a different way yeah

[dire lynx]

solid vs liquid kinda idea

[high bronze]

Ohhh that explains it better

Thanks

[lone folio]

It's like milk and cheese

[frosty gate]

Yeah, it's like Milkin the Weavers

[high bronze]

So thats how hornet can make silk from hitting enemies because weavers can just do that

[lone folio]

Cheese is made of milk but it's not really milk

[frosty gate]

Wrong server dude LMAO

[dire lynx]

ops

[high bronze]

And with the logic that hitting people they drop soul

[lone folio]

Not really

[frosty gate]

The rivals vice got you blind

[lone folio]

That's something that pale creatures can do

[foggy fractal]

I'm not sure if weavers can just do that
that seems more like a pale king thing

[dire lynx]

yup

[lone folio]

Normal bugs can't just punch another bug and get some soul

[dire lynx]

weavers can make their own soul into silk, but they cant take it from other creatures

in one of the weavenests there is a tablet talking about what the weavers will do once their silk runs dry

[high bronze]

O

What happens then

And I’m guessing theres a bit more lore for smth like the silkheart

[frosty gate]

They die like the frauds they are 😂

[dire lynx]

"Sister, spider, sat between salt and stone,
Build those tools of brilliant mind imagined,
Aid us when our Silk has waned."

[frosty gate]

Not really tho we don't know

[dire lynx]

they still live, just silkless based on what can be gathered from the tablet

[frosty gate]

They probably run without silk like Widow

[high bronze]

Oh yea ig widow uses the silk around her

[coral falcon]

But why do you sit on a bench and oops everyone is back

[low oracle]

Idk, aren't there grubs that are boiled for silk in real life? Either way, HK and SS are really confusing in terms of weaver relations.
There is Grand Mother Silk—the source of all silk/HB of all silk
There are Weavers—Ascended Pharlids
There is Hornet—Weaver and Wyrm
There are the Weaverlings—Shells with silk runes, coming from a charm
There are Stalking devouts—Non-weavers with weaver-like anatomy (?)
There are little Weavers—They literally look like weavers and are called weavers, yet they apparently don't count as such (?????????????)
There are Deeplings/Deephunters—Have weaver traits and seem related, yet apparently aren't (???)
There is Herrah—Looks more like a goddamn drapemite than a pharlid, yet gets changed in red memory. She also has her own personalized worshippers. And her mask is also completely different (just like her ass) (???????????????????????????)

[frosty gate]

I wonder how long it takes for that to happen tho

[frosty gate]

The Devouts don't look that much like Weavers tbf, its the mask

[low oracle]

Widow had her silk making organs staked. I think there is a tiny little difference.

[high bronze]

And a forcibly removed shell, there might be a bit more detail

[low oracle]

Which I'm referring too, it would be a pretty stupid coincidence if it was just all natural. I also forgot midwife, but she has no fucking explanation that could ever make her make sense.

[frosty gate]

Little Weavers will always confuse me, but Star and the old mod would say that the "curse" of not being able to reproduce wasn't that problematic

[blazing venture]

Thank you

[frosty gate]

We also have to remember that the Tribe in Deepnests were actually Spiders iirc

Let me check

[high bronze]

I wonder if they’re also made from silk

And hornet is referring to them

[low oracle]

Can you send the dialogue?

[frosty gate]

That's what I personally think, but no indication of that whatsoever

[dire lynx]

the line about seeing other beings spun from silk

[frosty gate]

Its that one dialogue with Lace where she says she's seen beings like her

[high bronze]

Its in a hunters journal talking about life from silk, like phantom or lace lemme find it

[dire lynx]

its talking to lace in the cradle

[low oracle]

As I said, they're probably just silk runed shells. They have a silken string when appearing, but their masks are obviously artificial.

[low oracle]

Are we sure about that though? It just doesn't really add up to me personally. Phantom you don't have to fight and Lace knows about her, so idk what else it could be otherwise.

[dire lynx]

?

[high bronze]

Ok thank you

[high bronze]

Wait cradle?

You mean the abyss?

Oh no wait that flower room area

[frosty gate]

No, The Cradle

[high bronze]

Thats right

[frosty gate]

Yeah, that's the one

[dire lynx]

wait, no its with the caretaker

my bad

[frosty gate]

That fucking dude

[high bronze]

[frosty gate]

Has like

All the lore

[dire lynx]

yup

[frosty gate]

I hate his big ass head so much

[dire lynx]

second best shaman

[spark valve]

Mfw the wizard knows things

[high bronze]

Stupid shamans

[dire lynx]

"Child of the monarch, she claimed herself at the end, and her shell suggested it true, a being born purely from Silk woven tight."
"Hornet: That such a feat is possible... I have seen life woven from Silk before, but tiny, transient... Never like this..."

[frosty gate]

BRO IS LITERALLY A WIZARD JESUS

Is Mr Mushroom secretly Elminster Aumar??

[low oracle]

Seems it is referring to Weaverlings then.

[high bronze]

Yes thats the one

[spark valve]

At least for an exposition NPC caretaker has some character

[dire lynx]

thats been my thought since i saw it

[dire lynx]

hoi hooiiii

[frosty gate]

Dude is a walking .docx

[spark valve]

It’s funny when he calls you a bell ringing weirdo

[low oracle]

Being an asshole?

[high bronze]

Trying to talk to sherma about his traumatic experience in the hospital and this shaman is yelling for my attention

WAIT YOUR TURN

[frosty gate]

I swear to god it's funnier in Spanish because it sounds like a slur

[dire lynx]

thats why we love him and bell hermit

[frosty gate]

Well not a slur, but definitely an insult

[low oracle]

Bell Hermit may have a melting face. Or a beard. Whichever fits your opinion and liking.

[dire lynx]

hes so fun

Oi! You there!
It was you, wasn’t it? Ringin’ that great clanging bell just now! Right when I’m tryin’ to get some sleep!
Admit it! You done it! You shifty li’l bell-runger!

[low oracle]

He does seem the type to be racist honestly.

[high bronze]

K was about to say, is it like a mean name or actual profanity

[frosty gate]

In Spanish he calls you "Campanera" which means the same thing but the way Its read sounds as if he's calling you "Dickface"

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-caretaker-oi-gif-3315128170613683264

[dire lynx]

What do you want, slave?
Hornet: Slave? I am a traveller, stranger, not a slave.
Grnk. Exactly what a slave would say. Begone!

peak

[frosty gate]

Racist uncle vibes

[high bronze]

Cool, ig there isn’t really much profanity in those games anyways

[low oracle]

Caretaker has the more so.

[high bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/you-ded-you-dieded-died-dieded-hornet-died-gif-8163515769741623680

Lets not forget her

[low oracle]

Lets not forget to kill her

[high bronze]

Thats for act 3

[low oracle]

The only snail shamans I like are the ones from Hallownest.

[frosty gate]

Cus they're all dead?

[high bronze]

That one guy lol

[low oracle]

One is alive, and that one is my friend.

[high bronze]

At least they were kinda chill

[frosty gate]

I swear to god that guy is so fucking dumb

[high bronze]

They did trap you and make you fight a monster but gave you a handgun

[frosty gate]

I had a whole rant here about him being a fucking dumbass

And not being a reliable source of info

[high bronze]

Also isn’t aware that his entire family is dead

[low oracle]

They all give very usefull stuff. You help all of them (not necessarily by choice or as a conscious decision). And they are all pretty chill.

[low oracle]

He always says the truth. Kinda unreliable though when you only get to know half of it.

[blazing venture]

The snail shaman in forgotten crossroads is goated

[frosty gate]

REAL SHIT

[high bronze]

You walked into a surgeon room and they screamed, one was just dead, and the other one ig you freed them from a crystal? But you also destroyed them

[blazing venture]

Without him we’d be cooked

[frosty gate]

He only tells the truth

HIS truth

And his truth is shit

Boy doesn't even leave his house

[low oracle]

"Oh, my uncle had a similar spell. I wonder how he is" the uncle in question who was tortured by the soul sanctum and taken of both his spells and body (the latter being what he wants)

[frosty gate]

"Bound by the mound" sybau

What even is he fucking Bound to, there's nothing there

[dire lynx]

worst one

[high bronze]

Also omg seeing the shamans revealed/shade in silksong was such a slap in the face

Was not expecting to go that route

[frosty gate]

You think the Snails wanted to kill both Hornet and GMS?

[frosty gate]

When he started talking about his "Nature" It clicked for me that he was a snail

My brain turned on the pattern recognition machine and I said

[high bronze]

I don’t think that was the plan, wasn’t it just them messing around with shade

[frosty gate]

"Staff, collar, big ass head, this bitch is a fucking snail"

[dire lynx]

i doubt it, they just wanted to have some fun with void

[high bronze]

*void

[frosty gate]

I mean I feel like they would be the type to say "Well she didn't make it, that's two birds with one stone"

[high bronze]

I mean what do they have against hornet tho

[low oracle]

Ancient Mound—Chill guy, they actually were friendly with the baldur. However the infection turned it against them, and they had to get rid of it somehow. We helped them.
Overgrown Mound—Dead, with a melted face. They want to have their screams heard. Using Howling Wraiths brings them salvation (or some shit). We help them.
Soul Sanctum—He was tortured, his spell taken away from him. We help him by becoming part of his desire.
Crystal Mound—I'm to tired to write shit, you know how it goes. We save them by fulfilling their desires.
Resting Grounds—bla bla bla desirers

In my understanding of the lore the snail shamans are void, wether you agree or not.

[low oracle]

Ruler potential

[frosty gate]

They are manipulating the thing that drinks soul for a living and want to kill one Pale Being, why not help her stop the current Pale Higher Being and also stop her from becoming a Pale Higher Being herself while possibly kill her?

[spark valve]

Because killing GMS stops that happening anyways

[frosty gate]

It lines up for a clean double kill

[high bronze]

Ohhh yea and ig thats kinda what happens in the first ending huh

[spark valve]

They have literally no reason to want her dead and nothing remotely implies that was their goal

[frosty gate]

Yeah I know, tbh I just hatin on them, fucking snails 🥀

[high bronze]

I mean the shamans did sound a lil racist ngl

[frosty gate]

I felt the dumbest when I saw the void because I said

[high bronze]

They probs got smth against pale beings

[frosty gate]

"Right. Snails. Snails and Void. This is my fault for not seeing this shit coming"

[frosty gate]

I know one or two who would argue with you on that understanding

Not that I agree

I just won't argue

[low oracle]

Based

[frosty gate]

I remember the first few weeks after I finished the game and there was a whole discourse about the Snails being hyperfixed with void and how that wasn't the case for HK

[sinful nimbus]

my favorite topic ❤️‍🩹

[frosty gate]

Just who I was thinking of

[blazing venture]

Guys stopp figgghhhtiiiing

[frosty gate]

I still think it wasn't exactly the case for HK but it's also not a stretch that Ancient dummy just doesn't know shit

[gentle aspen]

Mound shaman is a chick

[low oracle]

Okay, didn't know so I wrote like that just in case.

[gentle aspen]

also they’re not void but I don’t even wanna bother with this discussion anymore

[sinful nimbus]

Why would one specific shaman just not get the memo 😭 🙏

[limpid summit]

Smart and aware enough to read the DN but not put on to the rest of his species

Let’s all study void and not tell ancestral shaman

[gentle aspen]

They know of the substance they can recognize it as a shadow but both groups of shamans deny any void influence in themselves

Hell, the ones in Silksong explicitly state “our power’s all of soul”

[sinful nimbus]

He's asleep guys everyone head off to the abyss 🗣️

[muted lantern]

How old was seer compared to hallownest? was she alive before the sealing?

[gentle aspen]

It’s because they never visited the aunt

[gentle aspen]

we don’t knoe

she refers to the kingdom’s founding as something that happened long ago

[frosty gate]

The thought of Ancient mound Snail being that one nephew no one likes and leaving him out of plans is the funniest shit

[frosty gate]

Doesn't she remember Rad?

I can't remember

[gentle aspen]

moths find remembrance and the passage of memories important

Doesn’t mean she was around back then

[frosty gate]

True

She knows of the Dreamers but considering she can tap into the Dream realm, I don't think its that big of a deal

[muted lantern]

But she could have potentially been around before the infection, no?

or at least around the time of the sealing

[frosty gate]

Honestly no idea

Before the Infection is a long long time

[gentle aspen]

We don’t know bro

there’s no way to know

specific timeline details are nonexistent

[frosty gate]

For details like this it is. You can make an average Timeline of certain things, but the details are impossible to pinpoint

That goes for Silksong and HK

The Timeline I've had in a draft for the last 3 weeks is speculative because I try to pinpoint details

[blazing venture]

i like snails

[edgy nebula]

do you think snail shamans would die if they fell into the sea of sorrow

[blazing venture]

yes

because

All enemies in hollow knight die if pushed in water

No matter how shallow

[carmine oak]

maybe the edict was just propaganda

pretending that everything was worked out

sort of like with AI right now

tech companies are giving the final edict that we will now embrace AI

[normal imp]

whos stronger the knight or hornet

[edgy nebula]

the knight

[normal imp]

well lets not be too simple I mean the knight did take on the light trio but we dont know how powerful they are

[plain gazelle]

the knight literally beats hornet twice

[cinder remnant]

The light trio?

[edgy nebula]

tk is literally the strongest character in the verse

[normal imp]

you know chris, susie and ralsei

[normal imp]

they never fight hornet

[plain gazelle]

hmm

[cinder remnant]

While yes this is true, Hornet was not using her full power at the time and by the end of silksong she has gained hella strength

[spark valve]

hornet was using her full power and she doesn't really get much stronger than she was

the knight however gets way way stronger past that point

[normal imp]

the knight and hornet have never fought

[edgy nebula]

bro.

[cinder remnant]

Dawg

[edgy nebula]

theyre talking about the knight from deltarune

ts so washed

[cinder remnant]

Oh

[spark valve]

it's a troll just ignore them

[normal imp]

dawg what are you smoking

[cinder remnant]

Hella good weed bro

[normal imp]

huh neat... whos your supplier

[cinder remnant]

Let's keep on topic

[edgy nebula]

do we think karak's river is magical at all? or do we think the blue flames that magically light during khann's bossfight are all for aura

[normal imp]

aura probably

[cinder remnant]

I don't remember much abt the fight but I would assume the river has some magic properties because places with other pure water (blue lake, fleatopia) never developed such an luscious ecosystem

[normal imp]

so you wdyt the knight wins or hornet

[dire lynx]

stfu is what i think

not on topic

[normal imp]

I mean it mentions Hornet

also LANGUAGE

jk

[cinder remnant]

Js go to offtopic gng

[limpid summit]

Answer is the knight

[edgy nebula]

they were talking about the knight from deltarune

[sinful nimbus]

Kris ain't allat

[limpid summit]

Hornet then I guess

In the real world the knight is either terminally ill or barely exists

[sinful nimbus]

I ought aplay 3 and 4 what are you waffling bout 😭

[jagged igloo]

lowkenuinely rate my build silky songers

oh this is lore

oops

[warped plank]

Mmmm that's some juicy lore

[twilit crest]

How dare you. Jail

[rapid bloom]

Canonically plasmium addicted pyromaniac architect

[graceful grail]

Check out this cool detail on the songclaive bellshrine!!

[twilit crest]

I don’t really see it but I fw the vision

[pliant meadow]

I don't see what matches

[pale narwhal]

ah yes, very cool insight into the lore of silksong

[crimson patio]

<@&283547423706447872> suggestive meme

[obsidian idol]

Why everyone thinks hornet and lace gay

[whole holly]

what is going on with lore channel

[hidden crater]

holy beer belly

[dire lynx]

because yuri "enjoyers" cannot imagine two women who interact not being romantically invested, they also dont have the capability to read, if they did, they would know lace is a child, and that that ship is as garbage as shinji and kaworu

[mighty zealot]

thanks for the ping :D

[hidden crater]

Print me an image of john silksong

[mighty zealot]

😭

[stray fog]

Why does trobbio live in the citadel btw

Like he isnt a pilgrim

Do they just let him chill there

[cobalt coyote]

He broke in and refuses to leave

He lives in the floor

[stray fog]

Lmao

[dire lynx]

trobbio and the stage are probably conductor additions, makes sense when you think about what they stood for

need good entertainment in a luxurious life

[oak palm]

Why was I warned for shitposting here that was a direct response to another message

[stray fog]

Luxurious...

[marble oasis]

The stage is part of the vaults no?

I think trobbio genuinely just co-opted it

[dire lynx]

i doubt trobbio has the skills to create the stage himself

this is clearly premade infrastructure

you can even see gilded chairs in the foreground

[dire lynx]

its technically in vaults but directly adjacent to the choral chambers

[marble oasis]

yeah so it’s where the vaultkeepers preach to the choir

[dire lynx]

no, that would be where the enemy gauntlet we fight is

this is where they preach

[marble oasis]

hm

i thought that was where they preached to their own

considering you have to go through the core to get there

but there are choral bugs in that gauntlet

[dire lynx]

there are stage lights, trapdoors, stage curtains and the location is called the stage by the map. its pretty obviously part of the pre existing citadel

[marble oasis]

yeah i know

i just didn’t think they would have used it for frivolous plays and stuff

[dire lynx]

like i said before, when you live in luxury you need to find entertainment because all you have is free time

[marble oasis]

yeah except the ever present threat of the giant angry spider goddess who will kill you all if you stop singing sort of puts a damper on twelfth night

[dire lynx]

the humble core:

[stray fog]

Howd the Weavers not think to automate the song sooner

Smh

[marble oasis]

They were already outsourcing it

[dire lynx]

because they enjoyed the worship and are bums

[stray fog]

True

[dire lynx]

conductors just wanted wealth and power

weavers wanted to be gods

[whole holly]

could lace have become Void Heart? if she accepted her void part as part of herself?

[stray fog]

Who would she unite?

There's no shades who will listen to her

[marble oasis]

It’s not part of herself though

As evidenced by how it drains away after we beat her

[whole holly]

but it would eventually hollow her out, possibly

i don't think she likely will obtain void heart

[marble oasis]

if it did it would just kill her

[stray fog]

I think hollowing is a different process, otherwise there would be a gms shade after act 3 💀

[whole holly]

i guess her situation is contrasting parallel to knight's

[whole holly]

yeah, she has no shell, as it she is entirely made of silk

[frosty gate]

Heyo, what are we on about?

[whole holly]

even though hollowing out requires shell. i think there should be GMS shade

[whole holly]

if Lost Lace could obtain Void Heart

[frosty gate]

No

Vessels are like the specialest of cases

TK is even more special

[whole holly]

i mean Lost Lace should eventually become a shade logically

but i just wanted to speculate because it is fun to do so

[marble oasis]

No, the void will devour the silk

[frosty gate]

There is no evidence that should be the case

[whole holly]

isn't what the shade is, just contained within a shell?

[frosty gate]

Not exactly, shades are basically PK's magnum opus

They're masterpieces of an insane creation

Only the Siblings can produce a shade due to their creation

If this was not the case

The Collector and Kingsmoulds would produce a Shade

But they don't

[whole holly]

Shade is just vital fluids and soul replaced by void

[whole holly]

what exactly would make it unfeasible?

[marble oasis]

The shell is effectively the same as the mould that made the Kingsmoulds

But even better

[whole holly]

that's most likely gameplay since collector exists and is weird, most likely because he was imprinted

[frosty gate]

What about the Collector?

[frosty gate]

I think PK's quote of "Born of God and Void" is the best thing to explain why it isn't

[whole holly]

Collector is adjacent enough of shade, even better it seems more stable and have physique that's more stable, Siblings die easily, more so that Collector

[frosty gate]

Lace is made by a God, yeah, but she was not born in Void

[frosty gate]

Wdym the Collector is adjacent enough of shade?

[whole holly]

i mean Vessels are described as born and died and began in void

[whole holly]

it is Void construct with a autonomous will

could lace be eventually consumed by Void and become Void Construct?

[frosty gate]

The Collector is just a failed Kingsmould, its will is an order

The Shades don't really act like the collector at all

[whole holly]

sure, but Lace's isn't

[frosty gate]

No, the moment the Silk is gone from Lace, she dies

[whole holly]

i meant Void Construct with a Will

[whole holly]

how do we know that? sure raw silk can be consumed by Void but would Lace's Silk not imprint enough to make a shade

assuming imprint is Soul based, but it likely is since Crests are referred as Soul Imprint

by that logic, GMS would leave shade as well

but that's just speculation with some basis that's really vague

[frosty gate]

I need you to clarify what you mean by Imprint because I've never read that in my life

[whole holly]

it is widespread that Collector was imprinted on by Lovebug, and Imprints were how Pale King made Kingsmould's and Wingsmould's were made to behave way they do

Shade hunter's journal says : Echo of a previous life. Defeat it to retake its power and become whole.

Each of us leaves an imprint of something when we die. A stain on the world. I don't know how much longer this kingdom can bear the weight of so many past lives...

it is Imprint on Void basically

[sweet roost]

So, is Hornet really a spider?

[marble oasis]

he physically imprinted the kingsmoulds though

like he stamped them in a mould

[frosty gate]

Exactly what i was gonna say

The Imprint is literally just a thing PK does

The Collector most likely is a failed Kingsmould

[whole holly]

collector also got trait of collecting bugs from love key bug, which is likely different king of thing

[frosty gate]

Since Kingsmoulds are not maliscious, it probably found its way to the Tower and spent its life with that dude

[frosty gate]

Yeah, that's the order

[marble oasis]

yeah it’s different

[frosty gate]

"To Protect"

[whole holly]

imprint is from Love Key Bug's nature

[whole holly]

but Kingmould's were also imprinted in some way to serve PK

they have Dream Nail Dialogue

[frosty gate]

That Husk has literally no dialogue about collecting things and nothing indicates the Tower was supposed to be for that

[whole holly]

they made Dream Nail Dialogue about that i think, they are dead with void streaks on eyes

[limpid summit]

Probably wasn’t inherently for that purpose it might have just been something on LKB’s mind at the time

[limpid summit]

So Collector took it and ran with it

[whole holly]

it became one with Collector, otherwise wouldn't have no desire to collect

[frosty gate]

What?

[whole holly]

why are discussing about this, Shades are imprints

[whole holly]

dialogue....

[frosty gate]

You are saying that LKB's will or mind transferred/imprinted on the collector????????????

[limpid summit]

Yes

Collector looks like a Kingsmould but it has a more solid form outside its shell, likely because of the new imprint

[whole holly]

Collector doesn't have inherent desire to collect, it wouldn't

[gentle aspen]

that is objectively what happened

[limpid summit]

We kill it by beating the imprint out of it so it just becomes raw void

[random harbor]

Dream Nail: Queen's Gardens - Husk Dandy Love Key - "Too long... spent together. We become as one..."

Too long... spent together. We become as one...

@kingoclowns used /dream-nail area: Queen's Gardens name: Husk Dandy Love Key - "Too long... spent together. We become as one..."

[whole holly]

imprint also gives it shape and mind

[frosty gate]

That is the dumbest fucking shit i ever read and I'm not going to argue because its 3 v 1

[gentle aspen]

I mean, it isn't stupid

[stray fog]

4 v 1 (I provide emotional support)

[gentle aspen]

void mimicks and gains imprints

[limpid summit]

Yeah it sounds dumb but it’s how void works

And it’s what the vessel project conceptually was based upon

[twin dragon]

I mean void kinda does that yeah

[limpid summit]

If void could imprint upon the mind of a fetus, that mind may be blank enough to seal and contain Radiance

[whole holly]

Soul makes imprint of a bug, void eats soul, also Collector has Dream Nail dialogue

[marble oasis]

I’m with them but fight on!!! Never let being outnumbered stop you from giving it your all!!!

[stray fog]

Yep

[whole holly]

can Lace create imprint or GMS of some kind?

[gentle aspen]

no

[stray fog]

Does lace know how to do allat

[whole holly]

it is natural occurence in Abyss, if Lost Lace was eventually fully Void, would void take her shape?

[gentle aspen]

they wouldn't intentionally do so as both would be susceptible to void and would probably entail their deaths

so the answer is yes actually

they just wouldn't survive

[twin dragon]

Please tc dont make a lost gms

[stray fog]

I think lace would die instead of becoming a void construct

[whole holly]

Absolute Lost Grand Mother Silk

[stray fog]

Shes pure soul

[twin dragon]

Nor absolute absolute radiance is hella lazy

[whole holly]

how are void constructs made anyways, is physical shell required to form shade or kingsmould body?

but would live body of lace be enough for that

[gentle aspen]

yes

[whole holly]

well, it clearly kinda is, tbh

[random harbor]

Dream Nail: White Palace - White Palce workshop mould - "...SERVE..."

...SERVE...

@kingoclowns used /dream-nail area: White Palace name: White Palce workshop mould - "...SERVE..."

[gentle aspen]

with the artificial constructs literal moulds are required
with the more biological ones bodies are required

[twin dragon]

lace has a shell

[whole holly]

that is insightful

[gentle aspen]

its a body made of silk

[stray fog]

I think it would be a very specific process
Just getting dunked into void wouldn't make a void construct like a kingsmould or a vessel imo

[gentle aspen]

we don't really know if that would work

usually getting dunked into void would kill you

[whole holly]

it is purely made of silk too, it would also be consumed unless it somehow remains intact overtime

[gentle aspen]

GMS survived by weaving a massive cocoon around her and the void latched onto the haunting buffing it

otherwise it wouldn't be much of a shell and would probably just die

Lace would probably need to consistently have her silk replenished

that or GMS would need to make it so her body isn't fragile

[twin dragon]

Lace would've just died

[gentle aspen]

then her pale nature would be able to naturally restrain the void within her

[whole holly]

does that mean Cogwork Bugs can be like Kingsmould's if there was enough void?

[twin dragon]

Actually don't think so, since the collector is a thing

[gentle aspen]

probably not

they aren't pale

[stray fog]

too hypothetical to know

[twin dragon]

the collector just uncollectors itself upon death

[gentle aspen]

the collector has additional imprints that make it solid

[whole holly]

what is required for it anyways, what is needed, i heard about Pale Shell but is that just coincidence?

[twin dragon]

where is this stated

[stray fog]

Personally, I believe in that theory

[random harbor]

Dream Nail: Queen's Gardens - Husk Dandy Love Key - "Too long... spent together. We become as one..."

Too long... spent together. We become as one...

@kingoclowns used /dream-nail area: Queen's Gardens name: Husk Dandy Love Key - "Too long... spent together. We become as one..."

[whole holly]

Collector is likely Kingsmould's Soft body

[twin dragon]

Yeah it is

if that's the case the kingsmould likely can exist without their armor

[whole holly]

it likely has some soul of Love Key bugs that make it more stable

[gentle aspen]

not coincidental
Kingsmoulds have Pale Armor, runes and silk

[twin dragon]

the constructs have soul in them iirc

[frosty gate]

This is the imprint, this is what gives the Collector and all Moulds its shape and a will, they just equip them with armor.
The Collector is solid because all Moulds are solid until you beat them senseless, the only difference between Moulds and The Collector is the way they go about their order, both are made to "Protect" .

For whatever reason PK lost a Mould and it ended up in the Tower with LKB. The closest thing of what you are all saying that could've happened is that LKB is a collector themselves and taught The Collector to do the same as he did. The reason LKB says that is because The Collector's nature slowly consumed LKB

[twin dragon]

so yeah

[gentle aspen]

Vessels have pale shells that restrain their void nature

the dichotomy is basically required for it to function properly

[whole holly]

if Cogwork Bug was instead Pale Steel Bug, or Steel Bug, would it contain the Void?

[gentle aspen]

otherwise the void would just ravage their body

[twin dragon]

The void has little will and latches on anything it can

[stray fog]

Your explanation is lowkey also viable 🤔

[twin dragon]

So the collector kinda ate up LKB's soul and imprinted it upon itself

[stray fog]

I guess so

[whole holly]

Collector likely has more, it was more essence, and it could have stole Love Key Bug's soul and identity due to spending too much time together

[spark valve]

My love! My love! Protected at last!
A safe space, for you! And you! And you!
It must be saved!

...Defend...
...Kill...

[gentle aspen]

if it was built for that purpose, sure

[twin dragon]

The true question must be asked

is soul the void's steroids

[gentle aspen]

well, moulds are made to kill intruders

[stray fog]

It doesnt get any benefits from eating soul

[gentle aspen]

the collector has like, vested interest in protecting all creatures

[stray fog]

It just does

[twin dragon]

It really just eats anything at all

[frosty gate]

And to defend the people

[gentle aspen]

no
doesn't make void stronger

[gentle aspen]

defend the king

by killing people

[twin dragon]

Though void seems to be channeled with soul in some way or another

[whole holly]

including, Soul Imprint and Essence/Mind of a bug

[spark valve]

compare kingsmould dnd to collector dnd there's a pretty clear difference

[twin dragon]

or yk, it might be higher being bs stuff

[frosty gate]

So Moulds would kill the royal retainers around the Castle?

[gentle aspen]

no, because they're supposed to be there

[stray fog]

They don't harm the king

[frosty gate]

Yeah because one is a soldier and one is a child raised by a random dude

[gentle aspen]

it's not a matter of being raised its a matter of the imprints placed on them

[frosty gate]

And the imprint says protect

They both do the same thing

[whole holly]

that's vague and bad faith argument

[spark valve]

the imprint is in fact getting mixed with lkb's mind

[gentle aspen]

if you think putting creatures in jars to protect them is the same as killing anyone who gets close to your liege then sure

[spark valve]

collector is a product of both

but the my love my love shit is not kingsmould orders

[frosty gate]

Its putting them in a safe space, its trying to protect them in a way it knows

[gentle aspen]

😐 ok man whatever you say

[whole holly]

they still differ, which still supports the point

[frosty gate]

Yeah, because I agree that LKB influenced The Collector but to say "Yeah its probably a new imprint thats why it has a more solid form" its just unreal

[spark valve]

it's not a new one it's a blended one

[frosty gate]

This shit I fuck with

But a new one????????

[spark valve]

too long spent together we become as one goes both ways

[spark valve]

I think maybe you misunderstood what people were saying

[gentle aspen]

I mean it quite literally would be a new imprint based on the previous one they had + the new stuff they got from the LKB

and we can see more solid imprints vs faded ones in shades

[frosty gate]

No I didn't, this says a new one

[gentle aspen]

its just how void works mate

[whole holly]

it's say new imprint influenced it, AppleEgg is right

[spark valve]

I can't read apple's mind but I'd bet he was also talking about a new imprint produced by the combination of the old one and exposure to lkb

[whole holly]

old imprint + another imprint = new imprint

[frosty gate]

I still think its weird af and doubt thats the way it works, but whatever

Regardless of that, Lace making a shade is not likely

[frigid belfry]

more like a water for void

it actively seeks out soul, and has the ability to "consume" it and things related to soul

also somewhat described as a natural enemy of soul things

[gentle aspen]

It really doesn't actively seek out soul

[frigid belfry]

ehh kinda does

[gentle aspen]

it doesn't

[frigid belfry]

if its in the vicinity it will attack

[gentle aspen]

that's not actively seeking the stuff out

thats lashing out because stuff is present

[frigid belfry]

lighthouse?

[gentle aspen]

?

how does that support your claim

[twin dragon]

There's a chance it's actually repelled by soul, due to the glow it produces

[frigid belfry]

has the ability to (somehow) invade a bugs mind

[twin dragon]

depending on the amount

[frigid belfry]

by making its way up the lighthouse

[twin dragon]

This is related to essence AND it doesn't

[frigid belfry]

essence and soul arent dissimilar

[twin dragon]

They're related to eachother yes

but they aren't the same thing still

If anything it imprints upon the soul

[gentle aspen]

that still doesn't support your claims it actively seeks out soul

[frigid belfry]

it also used gms's soul strands to invade pharloom

[gentle aspen]

yes, after a living creature was plopped straight into it

[frigid belfry]

a substance that doesnt seek out soul would have just consumed gms and her strands

[twin dragon]

GMS's strings are a collateral of the void bashing itself into the cocoon

[gentle aspen]

the void strand effect is not void intentionally "seeking out soul"
its a result of GMS refusing to die to void and the void as a result clinging to the substance

[frigid belfry]

yes

[gentle aspen]

you see, if you played the game, you would know that is what was happening

GMS is simply making a massive cocoon to stop the void from doing that

[frigid belfry]

but specifically it uses the strands as a medium

[frigid belfry]

?

[gentle aspen]

Hornet: Cowards. Here you hide, even as you cause your own land's demise.
Caretaker: You seem displeased, Old One. We only did as you asked, yes? The snare is sprung, the creature consumed.
Hornet: You bound it to that void!
Caretaker: Don't play daft. You should well know our family's fixations. Surely you had a hunch?
Bell Hermit: How else could we hope to trap one of your pale kin? Or see her consumed with such insatiable efficiency?
Hornet: Then you have miscalculated, gravely. The white knight, she fell with the mother...
Chapel Maid: Oh ho... The quakes, yes? We have felt their force, even here. So the mother resists the dark... to save the child?

she is actively resisting the void

had she not done so the void would have just killed her

[whole holly]

i mean you can think that if you really want to

[gentle aspen]

that resistance allows the void to cling to the threads she already has around the kingdom, making the haunting worse

[foggy fractal]

if only 😔

[gentle aspen]

because void doesn't just kill stuff, it mimicks things as well

void doesn't actively seek out soul

[spark valve]

void doesn't actively seek out soul unless it gets close enough in which case it will snag it

[gentle aspen]

it's a dangerous substance if it isn't being actively restrained

[twin dragon]

Just like uh.. anything

[gentle aspen]

its more like a retaliatory thing

"oh, something alive is nearby?"
SNAP

[frigid belfry]

void attempts to consume gms -> fails -> targets her silk and uses it as a medium specificaly

im arguing a mindless substance that simply eats whatever is in its path would not do this

[spark valve]

that is exactly what it would do

[frigid belfry]

it displays some sort of intelligence here by targeting pharlooms bugs and using the void strings as a medium

[gentle aspen]

its not targeting pharloom's bugs

[spark valve]

there's zero intelligence in that it's just consuming soul it has access to

[frigid belfry]

pharloom bugs have soul

[gentle aspen]

its going across silk, which is soul

[frigid belfry]

its prioritizing them over consuming silk

[spark valve]

it's

consuming both

[gentle aspen]

its literally consuming both, the void threads are not the main thing

[frigid belfry]

then why does it hollow out bugs instantly yet the strands are practically untouched

[gentle aspen]

its a symptom of the fight that is going out

[frigid belfry]

🤷‍♂️

[gentle aspen]

????

[spark valve]

it doesn't do that and the strands aren't untouched

[gentle aspen]

what are you talking about

"hollow bugs out instantly" that never happens

[frigid belfry]

void clumps

[gentle aspen]

?

[frigid belfry]

since it hollows out bugs, its almost like we need a hollow... knight to help

[gentle aspen]

those aren't "instantly hollowed out bugs" what

[gentle aspen]

its literally a mass of silk void and bug corpses

[frigid belfry]

void filled corpses

[gentle aspen]

they're not filled with void gang

its literally just the haunting

[spark valve]

they are because it's consuming the silk in their bodies because that's what it does

it's like fire

silk is very flammable

[frigid belfry]

image + journal

"seeks to claim this land whole"

[gentle aspen]

wow yes you are showing me a collection of corpses bound by void thread

proves your point

good job mate

[stray fog]

It says that the thread is void

[gentle aspen]

round of applause

[frigid belfry]

thats the point im making

[spark valve]

the land is saturated with a network of soul yes it will take over the kingdom to consume it

[frigid belfry]

finally you understand

[gentle aspen]

NO IT ISN'T???

[frigid belfry]

it took you a minute man

[frigid belfry]

arguing void is using silk as a medium to infiltrate bugs for their soul

[gentle aspen]

you see, the latter part of what you're saying is fanon

[gentle aspen]

that doesn't prove your point

stop reposting it

[frigid belfry]

?

[spark valve]

it's traveling along the silk because silk is made of yummy soul and that silk also leads to sacks of more yummy soul conveniently

[frigid belfry]

did we read the entry

[gentle aspen]

if you send that shit one more time I'm muting you

[frigid belfry]

exactly what im saying

??

[spark valve]

there's no intent behind that

[gentle aspen]

no, it isn't, because you are ascribing intent to it

[spark valve]

it's just going to the next source of soul that it's connected to

[frigid belfry]

im arguing theres some collective intent in not sabotaging the silk highway to more soul

not too crazy of a claim

its definitely ambiguous but its my view on it🤷‍♂️

[spark valve]

the silk is being sustained by gms that's the only reason it hasn't all collapsed lmao

[gentle aspen]

it is because that collective intent isn't "we're not going to eat the silk so we can gain more soul"

[spark valve]

the moment she dies they all break because they aren't getting replenished

[frigid belfry]

mhm

[gentle aspen]

it is "theres soul here. lets go up it"
"this soul is connected to more soul, lets get it"

[frigid belfry]

thats called intent btw

[gentle aspen]

you're making void out to be some kind of master manipulator

[frigid belfry]

son✌️

[spark valve]

if void was deliberately not consuming the strands killing gms wouldn't do anything there's no intent and if there was the ending wouldn't even work

[gentle aspen]

it is literally just eating soul

[frosty gate]

It's more instinctive than concious

[frigid belfry]

gms dying wasnt due to the void eating her strands, it was the void attacking her cocoon/body

[frigid belfry]

sure

[gentle aspen]

thats the same thing

[spark valve]

hollow knight fans can't read that's not what I said

[gentle aspen]

and that also isn't what they said

[frigid belfry]

elaborate then

💔

[spark valve]

your claim is that strands aren't destroyed because void is deliberately sparing them in order to use them as ladders

but the fact is they're actively being sustained by gms pumping silk into them and the moment she stops they break because void is consuming them

[frigid belfry]

not really

[frosty gate]

Like the Void's "Intent" as you call it is to eat soul, but that's about it. It does not act out unless there is soul near the vicinity or an opportunity to get soul

[spark valve]

if it was deliberately avoiding consuming the silk killing gms wouldn't do anything because the void would just not eat the silk

[gentle aspen]

it would simply continue what it is doing

[frosty gate]

I feel like this shit is the "They made the void aggresive in Silksong" discussion again

[frigid belfry]

whether you call it instinctive or intelligent it prioritized more soul over less soul

[spark valve]

no it didn't

[gentle aspen]

it isn't prioritizing

[frigid belfry]

silk highway

[frosty gate]

Wdym

[spark valve]

ok you actually can't read

[gentle aspen]

you're acting like it isn't actively consuming the threads

the reason the threads are still there is because GMS is continually replenishing them

thats why the void threads are a problem

[frigid belfry]

is this a silk durability upscale?

[gentle aspen]

FUCKING

READ WHAT I AM SAYING

HOLY SHIT

[frigid belfry]

😂

[gentle aspen]

I give up

[frigid belfry]

thanks this was fun

[frosty gate]

It really didn't

Like, you are not right

Unless your goal was to ragebait Trickster

[limpid summit]

Wait twistriker

I missed the void imprint discussion

[frosty gate]

Me

[limpid summit]

What did you think

[frosty gate]

I don't fully agree but I'm not willing to argue more about it

Plus I've had wrong impressions of things before

And eventually warmed up to them

[limpid summit]

Valid

[frosty gate]

I fought Star over FS being imprisoned by Weavers

[limpid summit]

I’ve been convinced of things before for sure but it’s annoying when everyone believes the thing you don’t

[frosty gate]

Once

[stray fog]

Me when lifeblood infection parallels

[frosty gate]

Yeah, it's not an uncommon feeling

[limpid summit]

Lifeblood infection parallels did NOT exist in prime HK

I will die on this hill

[frigid belfry]

?

who even argues otherwise for this

[frosty gate]

New people mainly

[frigid belfry]

weird

[frosty gate]

Not weird at all really

[frigid belfry]

at least we all know pk did it

[frosty gate]

I didn't think it was the case but when looking over it I ended up concluding it made a ton of sense

[stray fog]

Thats not the part I was talking about

I wasn't active during hk lore anyway

[frosty gate]

But everytime I see new people pop here, they did not get that impression from FS

[frosty gate]

It was peak...

https://tenor.com/view/chimutan-chicken-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-15173158631897442446

[spark valve]

fs has an easy kneejerk evaluation to make that's wrong it's just a matter of thinking about it past that for like two seconds

[foggy fractal]

what if i don't even think for one second

[limpid summit]

Hollow knight fans 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[stray fog]

Then you'll be a lacenet shipper

[frigid belfry]

lace child syndrome

[limpid summit]

Was the sin of the Flies attempting to protect FS

It would be the ultimate form of sacrilege

And if she was the first prisoner the system of the flies wouldn’t have been set up

[stray fog]

I like the theory that spiders trap and eat flies, and this is why hornet, and other Weavers hate the flies so much

Its a primal instinct

[spark valve]

she doesn't care about other flies

[limpid summit]

That’s probably the meta reason

[spark valve]

she's just racist as fuck to the sapient ones

[foggy fractal]

will sea of sorrow expand on this

🤔

[stray fog]

How many days has it been before a slyflab discussion

Slyflab???

Slabfly

[foggy fractal]

idk

[stray fog]

Wtf

[foggy fractal]

maybe like a day?

[stray fog]

😭

[frigid belfry]

dyslexvic

dslixcy

[high bronze]

Yall is there a correlation between the higher being unn and nuu

[spark valve]

not really no

[foggy fractal]

no

[stray fog]

I dont think so

The name and species similarities are there, but nothing else

[frigid belfry]

similar names thats it

[high bronze]

Ig we don’t really know much about their species

But it does has me thinking

[spark valve]

they aren't the same species

[stray fog]

Same animal, idk about the species

[limpid summit]

…No

[high bronze]

LOL