sk-lore

[marble oasis]

not many are smaller than hornet

[lost frigate]

He do be a little guy

[muted lantern]

Caretaker isnt exactly the most responsible guy on the planet tho.

[edgy nebula]

doesnt hornet also say sherma and the pilgrims in time will lead the citadel? i dont think kids can do that

[marble oasis]

she probably likes to rub it in where she can

[pine scaffold]

She probably calls him little Sherma simply Becuse he has a child like way of viewing the world compared to her

[muted lantern]

As i said, pilby is smaller than sherma and hornet calls him sir, same with pebb being called madam.

[marble oasis]

true

but she doesn’t know them well

[muted lantern]

hornet calls sherma little one in her first line with him

[marble oasis]

sherma she’s close with, or what passes for close with hornet

[marble oasis]

hm

well there he is kind of acting the fool

playing music to a gate

[pine scaffold]

It’s shown in her memory that she didn’t have much of a childhood so perhaps she’s somewhat resentful of someone who can be as old as him and still be a “child”

[muted lantern]

I think he could be a kid, but hornet does phrase it more like her descriptor titles, like tall one, young one, gilded one, etc. so it might just be referring to his size.

[edgy nebula]

H: If that task is achieved, my future may take me far from Pharloom, but know I have faith that you will hold these bugs together, and see them prosper.

S: Ah! In truth, I'm still only a fool, but I'll hold dearly to your faith in me. That warmth will help me to endure whatever challenges lie ahead!

[pine scaffold]

As hornet wasn’t allowed to have such a positive view of the world as he has

[edgy nebula]

i feel like if he were a child hed say something other than fool here

[marble oasis]

i mean before we know his name pilby is little pilgrim

so

[muted lantern]

oh that is true

[pine scaffold]

He’s definitely an adult

But young in mind

[lost frigate]

It looks like its leading towards him just being a little guy

[pine scaffold]

He’s naive and doesn’t know much of the world

[muted lantern]

Im not sure i get what you mean?

[pine scaffold]

It’s a very mature way to refer to himself I believe

[muted lantern]

Ye but lace is also pretty well spoken despite being a kid

[pine scaffold]

A child wouldn’t have that much of self awareness

[edgy nebula]

he says fool as a way to humble himself, if he were a child i feel like he’d use a different word

[pine scaffold]

Because she’s not just a kid

[muted lantern]

tho her situation is unique

[marble oasis]

i get what you’re saying
like if he were stupid and a kid he’d say “ah well i’m only a lad yet”

[muted lantern]

Ah i see, that makes sense.

[marble oasis]

instead he says “i’m still only a fool”

[pine scaffold]

Or he wouldn’t even think to need to grow as a person

[muted lantern]

Honestly sherma is interesting in that he kinda embodies "the fool" tarot card

[pine scaffold]

I think in the beginning of the game he’s very very childish and by the end of the game he’s much more mature

[lost frigate]

A true fool keeps fighting, even when there's no glory to be gained.

[marble oasis]

well you can be a child and recognise you need to grow

but you’d blame it on your age rather than something innate to you

[pine scaffold]

I mean when we first see him playing music to a door convinced it will work if he kis keeps trying and by the end of the game he’s taking control to take care of people

[muted lantern]

Sherma has much whimsy but hes not exactly immature. definitely naive though.

[marble oasis]

i mean it kind of did work

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but that’s a whole other thing

[muted lantern]

Sherma is kinda like siegmeyer from dark souls

[marble oasis]

also if we don’t open it he gives up and goes around so he’s not that stupid

[muted lantern]

except his arc is more positive

Garmond though is more of a siegmeyer tho

[pine scaffold]

Yeah he’s not stupid just naive

[lost frigate]

Garmond is the goat, he died a true hero

[muted lantern]

I hated lost garms fight initially, but after nohitting him i actually think hes quite fun

[marble oasis]

So what, when we fight him it’s some sort of battle against a true hero?

[lost frigate]

i thought that fight was one of the easiest in the game

i just pogo'd him

[pine scaffold]

Oh no

Not again

[pine scaffold]

Everything leads back to that damn game

[pine scaffold]

Some king of snowgrave indeed

[marble oasis]

Silksong would be so good if we could ride the fayforn

We could finally mount a fay

[pine scaffold]

Never trust the fey

And whatever you do never ever mount a fey

[lost frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[marble oasis]

Fayforn is such a beautiful colour though

I want to see her grey more

[pine scaffold]

Fay is to close to fey

I wouldn’t trust it

[marble oasis]

Come on man give me something

[pine scaffold]

Fey are not to be trusted

No matter what they promise

[marble oasis]

At least cooda got it

[pine scaffold]

?

I’m going to sleep but remember no matter what the fey promise it is a trick and they will end up winning

[stray fog]

Grey more...

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-say-that-say-that-agian-marvel-fantastic-gif-12441585058103544841

[marble oasis]

Thank you

[cunning carbon]

So what's up with lace appearing in the void to talk to hornet?

Is lace astral projecting or is hornet losing her mind a little bit

[crimson patio]

One of those anime moment where the protag hallucinate their companions giving them encouragement and they get motivated to do stuff

[cunning carbon]

Except in hornets case she's hallucinating Lace to call her a dumbass

[crimson patio]

You gotta see how it’s quite motivating for her

[cunning carbon]

I do see but I think it's funny that even in her head, lace is a bitch.

[marble oasis]

uhhh… silk resonance or something…

it’s like how her memory shows up in the organ but she was just there so it’s a lot clearer

[cunning carbon]

OH YOU SAID RESONANCE

I thought you said romance

[rain pewter]

Who's the real silksong?

[whole holly]

Silksong is GMS basically

Silk is GMS, and Song is song to keep her asleep

but Needolin is closest to Silksong ability

[craggy smelt]

it's you 🫵

you're the real Silksong

[robust wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/736153071218065508/1448835004686663681/caption.gif

[marble oasis]

Silso :)

[slate phoenix]

Hornet has canonically been cracked was the first video I see when I open up YouTube🙏

[whole holly]

okay i kinda want next HK game to have Grimmchild as protagonist

[formal valley]

Hi

I have a question

If you look at here

They are not capturing and carrying hornet to citadel

Thhey are carrying her to shellwood

Why

[jovial hawk]

This could be from the other angle?

[formal valley]

No, in cutscene they were literally wlaking to citadel

[jovial hawk]

And that's the entrance to Steps?

[formal valley]

No, thats the exit of shellwood

[jovial hawk]

Hmm...

Sinner's road pathway maybe?

[ionic basalt]

Sentence her to bilewater

[ionic basalt]

Judge is too good lol wont let them through

[jovial hawk]

AAH

[formal valley]

Maybe you are right bcoz of last judge

[jovial hawk]

Yeah

[formal valley]

I have another question

Axtually a theory

[jovial hawk]

Ask away

[formal valley]

I think that in the marrow, the lava is going up in some years or periods of time

Clearly we can see pharlooms lava can be triggered easily

And if you look, there are no big bugs in marrow

Actually the big forms of bugs in the marrow is in far fields

Why

Bcoz

In far fields, there are holes that makes air and pressure go away

To prevent lava triggering

But in marrow there are no air

So lava sometimes blows up

[jovial hawk]

It does make sense

[ionic basalt]

🔥

[formal valley]

So the big creatures dies and little creatures hides

[jovial hawk]

Skull house is proof of that

[formal valley]

Yes yes

[jovial hawk]

It all lines up

I think you're onto something

[ionic basalt]

Wait im dumb when does this happen again

[formal valley]

In far fields and in abyss

Im not talking about in game

[ionic basalt]

Oh

[formal valley]

Im tlking about outside the game

The whole lava rises up and clears everything

Thats why the far fields creatures have weapons to defend/hunt

But marros creatures are oftenly tries to hide and camoflage

Marrows*

Also i have a question again

If pilgrims comes from blasted steps and go directyl to the last judge

Why there are bone bottom, pilgrims rest and halfway home

I think thats because of the place that we take wanderers crest

Probably the so called "wanderer" was a strong or special pilgrim

[unborn nova]

Bone bottom is a temporary resting place for the pilgrims.

[formal valley]

But vro they are going directly to the judge

Like there is no bpne bottom in route

[marble oasis]

there are elevators up and down that shaft, possible that they were going to stop there and load her in

[unborn nova]

About capturing Hornet to the citadel, why did they even bother bring Hornet's needle too?

[formal valley]

Ohh maybe maybe

[formal valley]

She accumulates the silk in her needle

[formal valley]

If you look every time in front of that building, pilgrims will try to protect it

If you think about it the haunting makes bugs do their work without break

So pilgrims were trying to protect it normally

[marble oasis]

is it outside or inside of the cage?

[formal valley]

And probably being burried there is a special thing

In front of the building

If you think about it the wayfarer quest have the same symbol that wanderers crest has

So that dead guy probably symbol of travelling and pilgrimage

[formal valley]

Probably outiside

[marble oasis]

they were buried underground though

they was dead

[formal valley]

Yes, normally they were protecting it

I dunno really maybe they were dead

And haunting made them awake

But the real question

If its a special place to be burried

Why they didnt do it to little pilgrim

Maybe because there wwre zombies

[ionic basalt]

Maybe due to the awakening of previously buried bodies? And the fact they sealed it up ye

[formal valley]

Ye ye

Another question, is moss poisinous to most creatures

Probably yes

Because just moss crwatures and those flies eat it

And mossberries are a bit poisinous

Also weavers chose a place to make eva

That there are no creatures

To disturb them

[ionic basalt]

True only moss bugs and marrowmaws live there

[formal valley]

But another questoon, is there any relation between nuu and unn?

[marble oasis]

the people of bonebottom and the people who buried their dead in bonegrave are different

[formal valley]

Prob yea

[marble oasis]

probably not

[formal valley]

Oooo

Maybe maybe

[formal valley]

How

Names are related

Bugs are related

[ionic basalt]

Bonegrave might be a very early grave yard

Since the entrance has been sealed by vines

[formal valley]

Probably probably

[unborn nova]

Maybe the chaple maid plays a role in the entrance sealing?

[formal valley]

I think thats every higher being have their little version

Or some kind of thing

Like every higher being has their species but they are higher being so they left

Like i dunno but it can be its a bit long shot

Unn-» nuu
White lady-» greyroot
Wyrms-» maybe some worms or skme shit

[unborn nova]

If that's the case, how did Unn made her way to Pharloom?

[formal valley]

It can walk it can travel

Prob it hunted or drank juice of corpses

[whole holly]

Unn and Nuu aren't same species

[formal valley]

I was talking abt that too nuu is fond of drinks and juices of creatures

[marble oasis]

i wouldn’t be surprised

[formal valley]

The wata

Wader

Watar

Like unn

[formal valley]

Why

[marble oasis]

i also wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where the snails bury the pilgrims they slaughtered for spells lol

[unborn nova]

She's a snail shaman after all, she needs soul.

[whole holly]

this theory falls apart with Nightmare Heart, Radiance, GMS, Void Entity

[whole holly]

nothing proves that they are

[ionic basalt]

Its a fun speculation

[marble oasis]

everyone loves to say “they’re both slugs” except for the fact that nuu is very obviously not a slug lmao

unn -> nuu and the eyestalks is IT

[formal valley]

Radiance literally moth
Nightmare heart literally grimm
Gms literally lace, silk people
Void entitiy abyss creatur maybe or ancient civilization
Like it can be they created their own species

If i was like higher being god i would try to create my little own people who look like me and that would be cute

[unborn nova]

Grimm is not of nightmare's heart species, he is just a vessel for the nightmare's heart.

[whole holly]

creating species is not same as being same species as them, creating in their image yes, but Unn created Mosskin and you are using Nuu to compare it and creations are same species as higher beings, in fact Higher Beings are above said species

[formal valley]

Its fun to think

[whole holly]

their shell is basically backpack

[formal valley]

Slugs dont have shell

[marble oasis]

uh huh and what about the LEGS

[formal valley]

Oh yeah because you see legged mushrooms and weaponed ants everywhere right

[whole holly]

i know but Nuu and Unn are too different

[marble oasis]

and that would be great if not for the fact that unn doesn’t have any

like genuinely yeah i would believe it since the snails have legs

[formal valley]

If you look vespa literally looks almost nothing alike with other bees

But they are same species

The little parts can give hints i think

[whole holly]

that is based on irl queen bees being different to worker bees

[formal valley]

Like we shouldn't categorize bugs like in the modern animal categorization

Like we should categorize them like socrates

[unborn nova]

how did socrates categorize things?

[whole holly]

Higher Beings are explicitly not into bug species category

[marble oasis]

still the same body type with same coloured stripes and fuzz

[formal valley]

If flies same
If ground same
If swims same

[unborn nova]

The citadel referring hallownest as "Kingdom of the White Wyrm" implies there are non pale wyrms.

[marble oasis]

We knew that since HK but yea

[whole holly]

Wyrm is still unique category though, maybe outlier

[formal valley]

And they same eyes, similar behaviours, same body if grown, same color but a bit lightened

Nuu literally looks like if it grows it becom unn

[unborn nova]

There''s also Bardoon who talks about the nature of Wyrms

[whole holly]

it is exception, and maybe not all Wyrms are Pale or even Higher Beings

[formal valley]

Their names cannot be coincidence

[whole holly]

not really they have different bodies, we also don't have information about either of their species

[formal valley]

.

[whole holly]

i don't think it is supposed to be taken seriously

[formal valley]

Team cherry is not that stupid

[marble oasis]

unn is green with no arms, no legs, no lips, a clear belly segment, and larger proportioned eyes

[whole holly]

Unn and Nuu are not same species it is just callback, other callbacks exist as well, which is not shocking

[formal valley]

OH YEAH BECAUSE EVERY KIND OF DETAIL IN BOTH GAMES ARE THE MOST LOREWISE THINGS BUT WHEN ITS CLEARLY THE ALMOST SAME NAMES ITS ACTUALLY NOT THAT LOREWISE

[marble oasis]

like i’ll accept it if more is revealed later but right now nothing really links them

[ionic basalt]

Am i dumb for not getting the supposed reference

[marble oasis]

for all we know every slug could just be named something with n and u

nuun

nunun

unnunu

nunuununuun

[ionic basalt]

Is there a tc forgot vid yet?

[formal valley]

Unn green
Unn water
Unn no leg
Unn eyes

Nuu leg
Nuu color dif
Nuu wster
Nuu eyes

Also mouth difference

[whole holly]

like https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Uoma and https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Yuma, they are not related since one is artificial and one is natural part of karak kingdom

[formal valley]

Thats all i can say

[marble oasis]

well… not artificial but yes

probably

[formal valley]

Also i think they are related in some way

[marble oasis]

but yes, jellies just have a similar name

[formal valley]

Not in genetically

But momomon probably saw yumas before

[unborn nova]

Maybe Monomon is from Karak?

[formal valley]

And when created jelly

Named them

[formal valley]

Yea yea maybe

[marble oasis]

so the slugs could too

see also: garpedes, garpids

[pearl thunder]

it's a common theory that monomon made the jellies in fog canyon

[whole holly]

or it could be a callback and not much else

[formal valley]

Like they are not ALL same species but they are in kind of related

[marble oasis]

we are NOT getting into this again right now

[formal valley]

Unn and nuu

Yumas and uomas

[pearl thunder]

i honestly don't have a strong preference for either stance, even the hunter says he has no idea what the hell the jellies are

[ionic basalt]

Shes jelly shaped too

[pearl thunder]

The spirit of a dead ancestor? The brain of a larger creature, allowed to drift free? An egg searching for a safe place to spawn? **I have no idea what this is. **
Uoma, Hunters Journal, Lower portion

[whole holly]

Unn and Nuu have different abilities as well, they are even less likely to be same species

[marble oasis]

i need to take a minute to properly interrogate both sides of the argument at some point

[pearl thunder]

i've seen the discussion a couple times, both sides are sort of just conjecture

it's basically just how you choose to interpret it, there's zero confidence in either stance

[marble oasis]

it’s not like the radiance pale theory where i simply refuse to do that on principle

[unborn nova]

Monomon probably moved to Hallownest because of the citadel invasion.
She's a jellyfish but a different species than the one in coral tower.

[whole holly]

i mean they could be monomon's offspring

[marble oasis]

surely you would think the weavers would be friends with her then

[pearl thunder]

Absolutely could be, they do have dnd "...monomon..."

[whole holly]

i agree, there are different species with same name, like mites

[formal valley]

But the real questipn what the hell monomon was doing with electricity, void walls and blowing upp things

Void walls can be pale kings after sealing

[pearl thunder]

void walls almost certainly isn't monomon's doing

[formal valley]

Yes i said

[unborn nova]

Well idk.

[marble oasis]

wait never mind, i’m still firm that they’re from plants, but iffy on whether they’re native or not

[formal valley]

If you look sands of kadak there is electricity so

[ionic basalt]

Maybe the big jelly in the gaunlet is a reference to uumuu, or in lore case the inspiration to make uumuu to guard her

[formal valley]

Maybe monomons roots was actually from kadak maybe?

[marble oasis]

where?

[pearl thunder]

"both places have electricity" is a very lackluster connection

[marble oasis]

oh voltvyrm

[formal valley]

Voltvessel

[marble oasis]

electricity seems to be a soul thing

[ionic basalt]

Is voltvyrm just a random ecosystem in karak?

[formal valley]

Both have electricity
Both have jelly
Both have water

Still not sure where blowing up came

[marble oasis]

see: soul twisters, charged lumaflies, wingmoulds

[formal valley]

Yea yea i also thought that too

[pearl thunder]

all extremely lackluster connections

[unborn nova]

you mean volt twisters?

[formal valley]

Actually maybe monomon was from sea of sorrow?

Maybe we will

See

Or maybe monomon not ran away from citadel

[pearl thunder]

that conversation has nowhere to go, we know next to nothing about the DLC

[marble oasis]

whatever the dudes in the colosseum are called yeah

[formal valley]

But crust king khan

[marble oasis]

crust king khann is a bad guy?

[formal valley]

Wasnt his army scared of him?

[marble oasis]

no… no this can’t be

[formal valley]

Maybe its not

I dunno

Like the journal entry for corrcrust karaka says that those armor is not comfortable but they are still serving

Also karak gors probably lived their wjole life in tower

[whole holly]

guys who do you think is god in godseeker terms?

[whole holly]

in Pharloom

[formal valley]

I think weavers

[tulip lotus]

Helloooo

[formal valley]

Hi

[formal valley]

The people of pharloom and citadel weren't knowing the gma

Gms

[tulip lotus]

We need Zote as an npc in silksong

[unborn nova]

It is very broad, gruz mother is a god according to godseeker.

[formal valley]

And there is the carvings

Of weavers

[tulip lotus]

Sherma

[formal valley]

Bu i thinks the marrow/far fields volcano theory is very logical

[unborn nova]

I think that mount fay was once a volcano.

[whole holly]

yeah, but in pantheon of hallownest, definition is not as broad, but still clear enough , as they revere Unn (who is not confirmed HB), White Lady, and pale king

[marble oasis]

like god of gods or just a regular god

[whole holly]

god of gods ig

[marble oasis]

still tk

[tulip lotus]

They have Zote precepts in their godhome, they consider whatever bug a god

[formal valley]

It can be but i dunno

Prpbably not

[frosty gate]

YES

I'LL DO YOU ONE BETTER

[whole holly]

that was copout, i meant in pharloom, and exclude confirmed higher beings

[frosty gate]

ALL OF PHARLOOM IS AN INACTIVE VOLCANO

https://tenor.com/view/satoru-gojo-toji-fushiguro-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-s2-season-2-gif-6658922801180742286

[marble oasis]

okay, silk then

fuck kind of answer did you want

[frosty gate]

Fuck I am so sure of it but I can't prove it

[formal valley]

But i think that the marrows cause is volcanos or lavas

Like there are air in far fields

[marble oasis]

the knight is still the most powerful being in the universe

[formal valley]

The pressure can go away

[tulip lotus]

I wouldn't use the word active, pharloom has hundreds of years

[formal valley]

But there are no holes in marrow

So lava triggered

[frosty gate]

I said inactive

[formal valley]

And clears everything in marrow

[tulip lotus]

O yeah mb

[formal valley]

So marrow creatures are little and tries to camoflage

[whole holly]

beings that Godseekers would revere, in Godhome in pantheon of pharloom

[formal valley]

And nig creatures truns into bones

Big*

[marble oasis]

silk is the only higher being in pharloom

[frosty gate]

I am so sure that Pharloom is a Volcano and that the cradel once was the top where the lave would flow out

[marble oasis]

the old hearts MAYBE she would add to the revering list with no other hbs to worship

[tulip lotus]

They hadn't told us that the godseekers of hallownest were the last ones of their kind??

[whole holly]

i mean they revered unn but she isn't confirmed higher beings

[formal valley]

I think silk is not actually a soul or something but hornet uses soul to produce silk

[marble oasis]

now she is

[tulip lotus]

Silk is the way of the weavers to use soul

[formal valley]

Because like silks comes from trobbio too who is not haunted

[formal valley]

I was saying that

[whole holly]

where? she is not explicitly refereed to as higher being

[marble oasis]

you think the pantheon of pharloom is all the higher beings + unn for what, moral support?

she has her own essence colour and everything

[tulip lotus]

She was able to survive literally void, that should count as something

[unborn nova]

The only one of the old hearts that is likely to be a higher being is Nyleth.

[whole holly]

so does Zote

[marble oasis]

all bugs in pharloom have silk inside them

[whole holly]

was she in direct contact?

[marble oasis]

it’s like microplastics

[tulip lotus]

Are we talking about GMS right?

[whole holly]

no, Unn

[tulip lotus]

Oh

Nvm

[formal valley]

Naah i dont thunk like it

[marble oasis]

No no, I’ll add this to the agenda

Thank you

[tulip lotus]

Your welcome

[whole holly]

Unn survived the Void?

[marble oasis]

FACT: Unn survived direct submersion in Void but didn’t tell anyone because she’s very humble

[tulip lotus]

As I know, Radiance is not able to infect higher beings, and Unn is not infected

[formal valley]

Like if you look knight uses soul raw, like abilities are simple but if you look hornet literally uses crests, runes etc. So i think the silk is some kind of soul that produced or tidied up from a weavers hands

[marble oasis]

FACT: Unn used this experience to create a TRULY PURE Vessel capable of containing the Radiance FOREVER but didn’t tell anyone because she’s very humble

[whole holly]

yeah she resisted with that weak ass green glow while she was sleeping, she didn't know she was submerged in void,in fact she is still there

[whole holly]

Eternal Emilitia and Salubra is also not infected or Zote

[unborn nova]

would've saved hallownest if she's a bit arrogant.

[marble oasis]

She was overheard as saying “That was so easy, surely Wyrm’s got this one in the bag too”

[whole holly]

Unn i think is mortal because she feel in Slumber and her power waned, she might be old heart with dream powers

[formal valley]

I think citadel is racist

[whole holly]

not everything that can conjure up Dreams is a higher being, Bretta did it

[whole holly]

i mean they have castes... what did you think?

[formal valley]

Like they worked other bugs in underworks

Or gourmet or some shit

[dire lynx]

can confirm

[dire lynx]

✅

[formal valley]

But they literally made a giant industrial robot to chase down 3 black sisters

[tulip lotus]

And clasist

[unborn nova]

What if the flea caravan had came into the grand gate earlifer before Hornet?

[dire lynx]

judge smokes them all

[tulip lotus]

I just researched that the oniric dialogues of the mossy knights in greenpath suggest that Unn calls them

[formal valley]

Also discriminated lugoli

[dire lynx]

yes

[tulip lotus]

So she can go into their minds

Who can do that too?

Higher beings

[marble oasis]

she created them out of a dream

[formal valley]

In the mist the barrier between the dream world and real world literally breaks (like in the abyss lifeblood section)

But i think thats poisinous gas

[tulip lotus]

She blinked one time and they were already there

[formal valley]

Maybe i dunno

Whats the deal with mist actually?

[whole holly]

i mean she created them from Essence/Dreams like Bretta can do and transported them to waking world like mothkin, dream nail and dreamers can do, all of those are not higher beings

[marble oasis]

bretta did not create shit in the real world from dreams

[whole holly]

besides despite all the evidence Unn being higher being is unconfirmed, even if it is very likely

[whole holly]

reread what i said

[marble oasis]

dream nail is the only thing there

and even then it existed in the real world before seer brought it into the dream to give to us

[whole holly]

Bretta can create things in dreamer, i didn't specify physical world

[marble oasis]

creating dream things in dreams is not special

[whole holly]

besides that's not my point, my point is that unn being higher being is not confirmed

[whole holly]

i never said it was, but neither is separating veil between dream realm and physical one

[marble oasis]

that ability was given to the moths by radiance

[marble oasis]

in that case neither is nmh

[whole holly]

yeah i know, technically

[formal valley]

Quesrion: what is mist

Like what is it actually

[marble oasis]

exhaust organ smog

[dire lynx]

silk and exhaust smog

[coarse birch]

whoops wronge channel

[marble oasis]

the wraiths are silk, is the mist itself?

[frosty gate]

Probably has some silk

[dire lynx]

wraiths are accumulated masses of exhaust organ silk and smog

[marble oasis]

silk and exhaust organ smog

[stray fog]

Smog organ and silk exhaust

[marble oasis]

why would the exhaust organ be outputting silk

[limpid summit]

I thought the organ was for blasting the dregs into greymoor

[marble oasis]

no the dregs just fall from the citadel

[crude geyser]

I thought it was just for entertainment

[frosty gate]

Its the waste of silk

[frosty gate]

It would fall from the Waste Disposal center that throws shit into the Moors

Greymoor is far too beneath the Citadel

[rapid bloom]

I wonder, what happened to the Chapel the Snail Shamans were in? Like why is it ruined?

[frosty gate]

The Silk-waste falls throw the pipes or whatever, ends up in the Organ, Phantom probably collects some of it for herself then it passes down to the Moors

Water goes to Bilewater

[stray fog]

[rapid bloom]

It is a big subject
What if they were a grand faction that got squashed by GMS?

[stray fog]

They lived in the moss lands, where gms's sight can't reach

Thats why there is a weavenest there

[rapid bloom]

Then..

Hmm

[frosty gate]

I wonder why that can't reach but the Haunting affected the place

[stray fog]

Maybe silk microplastics helped gms

[whole holly]

are other chapels religious? because that theme is not really present

[pale narwhal]

all the chapels in the game seem fairly religious
or at the very least reverent

[whole holly]

Wanderer, Reaper don't invoke sense of reverence

only Chapel of Shaman and Witch do

[pale narwhal]

wanderer and reaper are more like mausoleums true but they still have the gravitas of religious ceremony around the burial
and the beast echoes primitive tribal religion

[whole holly]

chapel of beast at least resembles animism, other chapels are cultural and social not religious in my opinion

[pale narwhal]

i think youre underestimating the religious influence on real world burial procedures that wanderer and reaper are being compared to

[whole holly]

they don't resemble organized religions, rather than sociocultural traditions, it should have been called tomb if it is mostly that, not a chapel

[low oracle]

Bretta only dreams in dreams. Dreams aren't physical or even real places, which also completely disappear once disconnected from their source.
Dream Realms are the actual separate dimensions, which include, but are not limited to; The White Palace, The Radiance's prison (inside THK) and likely also the Lifeblood core room.
Additionally, most Higher Beings are capable of creating and utilizing dream realms, and having their own separate ones. Examples include the nightmare realm, the regular dream realm, the Pale King's realm (pale realm?) and Unn's dream (a dream realm from which the mosskin where created).

[whole holly]

has anybody thought about the fact that pinstress and second sentinel fight suggest that there are needle strikes pinstress hasn't taught us?

so i have question

should i spare one of the old hearts in my steel soul playthrough, i was thinking nyleth

[graceful flicker]

Nyleth's already dead, isn't she

[violet hull]

GUYS I HAVE A TEORY

[whole holly]

i am not sure

[low oracle]

Hornet isn't really dual wielding weapons though, so it wouldn't be possible. Besides that though, it is also speculated that the sentinels used pintress-soul based silkflies.

[halcyon merlin]

shakra master also has those balls necklace right

[low oracle]

Elder Hu also kinda looks like a smokerock guy, the dude with the shield.

[halcyon merlin]

or am i remembering wrong

[low oracle]

Yes.

[halcyon merlin]

i see

[whole holly]

that is interesting insight

[low oracle]

I think it is pretty much a fact that Team Cherry draws inspiration from their characters, specifically the backer ones. Garro and Xero also have incredible similar armor to the Karak, down to the pattern, shoulder pads and helmets.

[limpid summit]

Elder Hu is likely a member of Shakra’s tribe and Garro is likely a Karak

Dunno about Xero but maybe

Meta wise it’s probably a design coincidence

Karaka were created as part of Khann’s dungeon backer

Garro and Xeno were different backers as well

[low oracle]

Xero has regular nails and what seemse to be a mothwing cloak, but he did join the Pale King's army. The style of the Helmet is very recognisable though, and so are the patterns on the armor. The shoulder pads also bring that unique combination of colours, which only other Karak and Garro have.

[dire lynx]

none of the old hearts are dead until you take their heart

[low oracle]

As I said, Team Cherry obviously draws inspiration from designs they've already made. Winged Nosk was an addition that came from an old Nosk sketch of different variants they could have.
About the design coincidence, I think not, to put it simple. The way the red armor has these lines on it, with black shoulderpads and a helmet with two white eyes inside, there are too many similarities to look past.
I would consider the Karak overgrown with the gas plant to be less believable as a karak. And from Watcher at the Edge, we know the helmet isn't limited to one unique shape. Garro has a completely differently designed helmet too, it just doesn't stand out as obvious at first glance.

Those two being Karak is definitely my headcanon, but I think it should be considered a theory which is more likely to be true, than not.

[fresh badger]

WatE's helmet gives off like, senior elite karaka vibes tbh

Theories are grounded in evidence and the only thing you have is visual parallels, their stories arent consistent with karak

Also white eyes is kinda

As well as segmented bodies just. Being a staple of the world.

[low oracle]

They don't have stories contradicting or proving with what we know. I don't understand your comment regarding the white eyes, but you can't really ignore the similarities. Saying that they are all bugs is the worst possible argument.
And I too would believe them to be of higher rank than regular Karak.

[pale narwhal]

arent they? nyleth's case youre playing your needolin at a statie inside a temple. her body is nowhere to be found

[dire lynx]

sister splinter says nyleth is asleep somewhere

This land is ours, now!
By our claws, none but us now!
Sisters, sisters, so long gone!
Other, other, sleeping deep...

[pale narwhal]

other could be a lot of things

[low oracle]

What else then?

[dire lynx]

especially with the other bits of dialogue

[edgy nebula]

every heart is likely still alive by the time we enter pharloom

[fresh badger]

Im saying "lines on the body" is not a valid parallel bc every bug in tc's world has segmented bodies.

I'm saying white eyes are NOT a valid parallel because thats how TC draws every shadowed face

I'm saying nothing in their stories implies xero or garro are travellers from another kingdom

[edgy nebula]

gp and karmelita of course, but nyleth lives on through the wood and khann is likely in some kind of stasis

we see a flower grow out to give you her heart which is proof enough nyleth is alive id say

[limpid summit]

Backer design similarities are, for the most part, coincidence

Team Cherry gave the backers a lore doc (which included stuff like pacifist moths inspiring two different backers to make edgy warrior moths)

Karaka wasn’t in that

[low oracle]

1. They are obviously travellers, as nothing ties them to Hallownest in any way. Xero's status as a former knight of Hallownest doesn't either, as Grey Mourner was a traveller as well.

2. I specifically referred to the black line pattern, that goes over the armor of Karak. No other armor has this feature, if you can prove me wrong send a picture.

3. The white eyes isn't something unique, but similarities are many little things coming together. I was also specifying the white eyes in combination with a red helmet covering their face, with the same type of opening at the front.

[fresh badger]

Them being travellers is as obvious as me and your mom's relationship

[low oracle]

If it wasn't clear enough from me literally saying it:
Team Cherry (seemingly) draws inspiration from characters they have created, which becomes apparent in many ways.

[fresh badger]

Their segmented bodies dont even match eachother, and are again, an ultra common feature

[low oracle]

[limpid summit]

I would find it likely that Garro is a Karaka

And that Hu is a member of Shakra’s tribe

But Xero’s similarities are just too subtle and he isn’t paralleled in Garro like Markoth is in Thistlewind

[low oracle]

Yes. But as I said, nothing speaks against it, there are many similarities, and all arguments I am hearing are "it actually isn't confirmed, so it can't be true".

[edgy nebula]

we see similar red coloring with obscured eyes in many other backer characters, i think xero is coincidence

[limpid summit]

Garro’s monologue at least sort of solidifies a connection

It makes sense for a Karaka to say something about warriors standing proud in the midst of a storm

[low oracle]

I REALLY hope you don't actually think we can compare this in the same way.

[edgy nebula]

i mean, boss and magnus strong most definitely

[limpid summit]

You can make the same comparisons about that left guy

Boss right

[edgy nebula]

the big round one with the scarf is boss yeah

[limpid summit]

Magnus is wearing a helmet too

[dire lynx]

top left is magnus, bottom left is boss

[limpid summit]

You don’t see his face

[fresh badger]

He even has the same segmentation pattern as garro and khann since thats your big thing you're fixated on

[limpid summit]

In comparison Xero’s story is more about him

[edgy nebula]

i think it's just a stylistic choice tc chose for many of the backer characters redesigns and they continued doing with the karaka

[limpid summit]

There wouldn’t be much room for a Karaka aside anyway

But I wouldn’t espouse their visual similarity as a super strong connection

Garro probably

Elder Hu for sure

[low oracle]

Damn. And here I thought I would see better arguments than nitpicks I have already elaborated on.

[limpid summit]

Huh

We don’t really need to argue any points

There’s no evidence

[edgy nebula]

i dont necessarily mind xero being a karaka tho, more karak expansion is always cool

[limpid summit]

Yeah me neither

I like making connections

It’s more solid than stuff I’ve said

[limpid summit]

A theory has evidence

It is a headcanon

[limpid summit]

Not that kind of theory

That’s like the theory of relativity or evolution

[low oracle]

It is a theory nonetheless. Like, what else would it even be otherwise?

[sinful nimbus]

Evolution is a headcanon

[dire lynx]

true, there is no evidence for it at all

[sinful nimbus]

You don't see mosscreeps growing wings do you

Ridiculous

[limpid summit]

Darwin’s theory of white lady growth power

[sinful nimbus]

World sense is far too complicated to have arisen naturally

[fresh badger]

Yknow

[sinful nimbus]

PK must've made it

[dire lynx]

im crying 😭

[fresh badger]

HBs all seem to have some kinda super sense

GMS silken sight
PK world sense
WL feeling thk
Brumm hiding in deepnest like the weavers to escape grimm scarlet sight

I guess being down low in the world / near void might also block hb super sense?

[limpid summit]

There’s two kinds of sight

Insight and Farsight

“The sight” and World Sense

WL has both NMH has both

PK and GMS have WS and maybe the sight too

[limpid summit]

Probably

[dire lynx]

the nightmares heart is such a funny guy when u think abt it

he watches himself dance, does a fancy move and then claps for himself

[hushed birch]

Am i the only one who got scared when hornet was about to pierce the abyss

[limpid summit]

Goofy ass

[halcyon merlin]

would you also not be goofy if u had clones

[thin nexus]

I 100%ed the game and still don't know where song fits into the lore

[dire lynx]

is was used to sustain gms and then put her to sleep

like the entire purpose of the citadel and pilgrimage

[thin nexus]

Hmmm

Okay I'm really missing a lot now that I think about it

Cuz I don't know the purpose of the citadel either

Or who built it, free weavers or under gms

[tawdry flare]

i built it

yw

[thin nexus]

I think you shouldn't have in lore

But thanks anyway it's great to look at from outside

[dire lynx]

the weavers built their phoney religion after lulling gms to maintain their freedom

[thin nexus]

What was their religion actually about

Never figured it out

[thin nexus]

where's this hinted at btw

[dire lynx]

mask maker dialogue, weaver effigies, weavenests

[thin nexus]

I c i c

[dire lynx]

the weavers posited themselves as gods, they were the centre of worship

[kindred ingot]

it's basically a giant music box built to keep GMS asleep but marketed as a holy place of holiness so that the bugs would willingly take part on it

or at least that's what I understood from the lore

[limpid summit]

Pretty much that

[kindred ingot]

I still think it's stupid that the threefold melody with the power to contain an eldritch goddess only has 6 notes total

[low oracle]

@edgy nebula

If you were to be one of the known Higher Beings, which one would you want to be? You still keep most of their nature, but yourself too.
Nyleth and Fayhorn also count, the Lifeblood Higher Being not so much. Overall you can choose from:
-The Pale King
-The Shade Lord
-The White Lady
-The Radiance
-Unn
-Grand Mother Silk
-Fayhorn
-Nyleth
-The Nightmare King (+Grimm as the vessel)
-Anything I forgot to put on this list.

[limpid summit]

You gotta be Mister Mushroom

[low oracle]

He doesn't really count.

[sinful nimbus]

He exists above wyrms

[edgy nebula]

probably like, nkg

[sinful nimbus]

Gotta be a HB

Who invited Nyleth and Fayforn to the team 🥀

[kindred ingot]

why doesn't Lifeblood count? It's clearly a higher being

and why does Fayforn count? It's just a bird

[low oracle]

Mr. Mushroom doesn't count for this question. He makes no choices, he just exists without much context.
Only Higher Beings with enough information count.

[sinful nimbus]

Mister Mushroom has as much information as fayforn

Who is not even a higher being

Let my goat in

[kindred ingot]

he marks the passage of an age (which is more important than what the White Lady does, and she's a Pale Being)

[sinful nimbus]

If we're excluding the obvious choice though then Pale King ig

[low oracle]

Do you choose Mr. mushroom then Starpengu?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[low oracle]

Then give me reasoning please.

[kindred ingot]

you're all forgetting my goat Lost Kin

[sinful nimbus]

He's like Tom Bombadil

[low oracle]

Blud ain't even a Higher Being.

[kindred ingot]

child of two Pale Beings plus the Void

[sinful nimbus]

He gets to see the small wonders of the world and live forever

[limpid summit]

Mister Mushroom is a Higher Being

[sinful nimbus]

Lost Kin ain't as strong as her parents

[kindred ingot]

Broken Vessel is more of a Higher Being than Nyleth

[limpid summit]

I wonder if he eats

[sinful nimbus]

Not everything that is void is a higher being either

[limpid summit]

Do you think he ever gets some food from the places he visits

[kindred ingot]

yeah, cuz it's broken

[sinful nimbus]

No vessels in general just aren't as strong

[sinful nimbus]

With the exception of The Knight after Void Heart

[kindred ingot]

Pure Vessel was very strong

[sinful nimbus]

Not in comparison to actual deities

They're stronger than the average joe just not gods

[low oracle]

That isn't how this works....
A Higher Being has to represent something. They have to be a symbol, a god.

[kindred ingot]

regardless of strength, Lost Kin is a Higher Being (and maybe even a Pale Being), just like the Hollow Knight and Ghost without the Void Heart

[sinful nimbus]

THK and Ghost aren't higher beings either

[limpid summit]

Mister Mushroom is representative of the journey

[sinful nimbus]

They just aren't that strong

[limpid summit]

Pale King is civilization

Radiance is nature/entropy

[kindred ingot]

"Lost god of the Abyss"

[limpid summit]

But Mister Mushroom is above them both

Because in the long run neither matter to the world

[kindred ingot]

if strength is a criterium, the White Lady isn't a Higher Being

[low oracle]

Anyway, for survival and fun I'd be NKG probably. If I were to desire making a better world, I would be the Pale King and get a lot of hate from the community.

[limpid summit]

Pale King fans are NOT persecuted anymore

Being a pale king defender before Silksong came out

[sinful nimbus]

White Lady is more powerful than most beings

[low oracle]

Godseeker define gods as something strong. I meant god as in Higher Being.

[limpid summit]

The only criteria for being a Higher Being is existing above all others

[kindred ingot]

Pale King stopped being persecuted when Anti-Homeless benches were introduced in Pharloom

[limpid summit]

This can be taken to mean having wondrous powers or capabilities that place you in a class by yourself

[low oracle]

Don't forget that she also bound her powers to be weaker.

[limpid summit]

So you have creatures like Snail Shamans Vessels Weavers and Wandering Seeds who are extremely powerful mortals but don’t have any world shaking capabilities

[kindred ingot]

child of two Higher Beings, represents something (the Abyss)

[low oracle]

I know, but some still hold him accountable for the dead vessels.

[kindred ingot]

what else do you want?

[limpid summit]

Vessels aren’t higher beings

[kindred ingot]

why not?

[sinful nimbus]

Higher being is a descriptor of power your heritage doesn't really matter

[limpid summit]

They may technically be Pale Beings

[kindred ingot]

they're children of Higher Beings

[limpid summit]

But they’re not even the kids

They’re void possessing the unborn fetuses of the kids

It’s a different creature entirely

[sinful nimbus]

Their power isn't comparable to their parents (Who had far more influence)

[kindred ingot]

Void is a Higher Being
the shells are Higher Beings
why wouldn't the two combined be a Higher Being?

[low oracle]

Umm...................no. The Void heart represents the abyss, hence the Shade Lord is the Higher Being symbolizing it. The Shade Lord is the void, which can be seen as regrets and emptyness.

[limpid summit]

Void isn’t a HB

[kindred ingot]

"bosnia isn't a HB"

[limpid summit]

It’s “power without unity”

[edgy nebula]

i disagree apple egg, bosnia is clearly a hb

[limpid summit]

TK becomes a HB because it unites the Void

[rough ingot]

The shade lord is heavily implied to be a higher being

[low oracle]

Hollow Knight just doesn't work like that. Finished. You can't make shit up with arguments that do not apply.

[rough ingot]

It obliterated one

[limpid summit]

Void is just a thing like Soul or Lifeblood

[rough ingot]

Lifeblood could have a higher being

[kindred ingot]

the definition of "higher being" is very vague

[rough ingot]

If the lifeblood creature is one

[limpid summit]

Google it, simple. Delete this and fuck off. NOW

Who knows

Maybe

[kindred ingot]

yeah Lifeblood (or pLaSmIuM) is a Higher Being for sure

[rough ingot]

Curious how Hornet will deal with that

If the Sea of Sorrow dlc is the cut lifeblood spire

I’m using lifeblood since plasmium is kind of strange sounding

[kindred ingot]

are Weavers Higher Beings?

[rough ingot]

No

[limpid summit]

Weavers are like Vessels

[rough ingot]

They are created by one and were lied to that they were divine

[kindred ingot]

they are beings, and they are "higher" than regular bugs

[limpid summit]

Yeah

But they pale in comparison to higher beings

[kindred ingot]

so they are "higher" "beings"

[rough ingot]

Like the Hearts

[limpid summit]

Weavers are like Snail Shamans or Ismas

[kindred ingot]

...Ismas? there are other Ismas?

[rough ingot]

Well

[blissful harbor]

nyleth

[kindred ingot]

Nyleth is Nyleth, Isma is Isma

[rough ingot]

There are probably beings like isma and nyleth

Who create foliage

Also Un

Unn

[limpid summit]

Nyleth is probably an Isma

[kindred ingot]

Unn is Unn, Nyleth is Nyleth, Isma is Isma
3 separate things

[rough ingot]

All though unn is a higher being, their power is beyond saving

[limpid summit]

A Wandering Seed if you will

[kindred ingot]

Isma is a name, not a species

[limpid summit]

Unn is a higher being

Isma and Nyleth aren’t but they’re probably the same species

Nyleth is older so she’s rooted more

[rough ingot]

Let’s omit the grey root white lady argument for now

[kindred ingot]

you don't say the Vessels are "hollow knights", do you?

[rough ingot]

Hollow and knights but the Hollow Knight is the tall disabled one

[kindred ingot]

Isma is the name of one (1) person

[sinful nimbus]

If you say Nyleth is an Isma everyone will understand what that means

[kindred ingot]

just like Hollow Knight is the name of one (1) person

[blissful harbor]

i mean any vessel is in fact a hollow knight by what those words mean
but anyways, calling nyleth an isma is not being literal
no one is assuming it’s a species name

[low oracle]

What is a Higher Being?
A god as humans understand the term, representing something unique. They can't be created, but they can come from non-Higher Beings. They also are often related to soul, essence and variations of the two.

[kindred ingot]

Nyleth is a flower, Isma is a... something plant-y

[sinful nimbus]

They both look very similar and create ecosystems

[edgy nebula]

nyleth is ackthually a wandering seed...

[rough ingot]

Unn is a slug with the power to will stuff into existence

[kindred ingot]

where's this explanation from? or did you just make it up?

[limpid summit]

It’s about right

The only actual definition for a higher being is “existing above all others”

[rough ingot]

We don’t know where higher beings come from

[sinful nimbus]

Nyleth's needolin dialogue also mentions someone like her "...you too, distant shape..."

[kindred ingot]

no they don't?

[edgy nebula]

this topic started with hbs idk why we're tlaking about nyleth now, since she isnt a hb

[rough ingot]

Isn’t the distance between Pharloom and hallownest implied to be large

[blissful harbor]

mask shape is incredibly similar
and giant plant creature rooted to the wall that makes an ecosystem around them

saying they aren’t similar is basically closing your eyes and saying nuh uh

[sinful nimbus]

HK fans are blind bro 😭 🙏

[kindred ingot]

idk someone said Ismas (plural) and I was like "wtf is there another Isma?" and someone answered Nyleth

[low oracle]

Why is my letter thing so big? I accidentaly pressed [command] + [shift]+[+]
It really annoys me but I can't reverse it with [command]+[Z].

[rough ingot]

Well

[kindred ingot]

I actually don't see the similarity

[rough ingot]

Nyleth looks nothing like herself as shell wood

[limpid summit]

I remember refuting this as a joke for like a half hour

They look fairly similar

As similar as Bell Hermit looks to Snail Shaman

And they do the same thing

[rough ingot]

And maybe isma looked very different before becoming.. that

[limpid summit]

Nyleth is much older than Isma

[sinful nimbus]

You see Isma's skirt and roots right

[limpid summit]

She’s not asleep in the way Isma is as her ecosystem is already grown

[kindred ingot]

we do have a silhouette of her

[kindred ingot]

we don't have a way to know that

[rough ingot]

Where?

[edgy nebula]

the masks are the exact same, aside from isma having more eyes, theyre both rooted into the wall, and they both have plant skirts

[kindred ingot]

White Defender's arena

[rough ingot]

O that

[limpid summit]

Her ecosystem is much farther along

[rough ingot]

I thought you meant in like official art from team cherry

[kindred ingot]

alright, fair

[rough ingot]

I’m curious how isma looked in her prime

[kindred ingot]

Hallownest was basically on pause for an unspecified but very long amount of time

[sinful nimbus]

?

[blissful harbor]

it wasn’t literally

[rough ingot]

Well

[kindred ingot]

metaphorically

[rough ingot]

With the infection contained

[sinful nimbus]

This isn't a metaphor

[rough ingot]

And pale king going through all the stages of depression and regret

[sinful nimbus]

Isma's grove didn't metaphorically pause it literally isn't as grown as Shellwood

[rough ingot]

Time is a very vague thing in Hollow Knight that’s for sure

We know the order stuff happened

[kindred ingot]

Silksong is all a big metaphor to how Church sucks and why you shouldn't trust anyone who offers to insert silk into your blood

[rough ingot]

But not how long in between

[edgy nebula]

we should get a third game where hornet comes back to hallownest and all of the waterways are taken over by acid and plants

i wonder why isma makes acid

[rough ingot]

Unn also has acid

[blissful harbor]

she’s Unns priestess

[kindred ingot]

it's basically her thing

[rough ingot]

I’m curious the linkage between the 2 (I meant isma and Unn)

[edgy nebula]

i mean, plants and acid are pretty different

[rough ingot]

Both have plants, both appear to have something to do with acid

[edgy nebula]

i think it's just a coincidence

[kindred ingot]

she lives (or dies, I guess) on an acidic grove

groves irl have plants

[blissful harbor]

ehhh, her blessing is what allows you to see Unn
i feel like that’s intentional

[edgy nebula]

maybe isma is a scholar of unn or something

[edgy nebula]

yes but she also makes the acid

[rough ingot]

Monomon also has something to due with acid

[kindred ingot]

she lives on an acid lake

[runic fox]

So, like, hey everyone! I just got true ending, and saw that great cutscene with Knight's shadow. I know Team Cherry said every HK endings is canon, yet... do you believe "Dream no more" to be canon? I do now.

[blissful harbor]

monomon made acid computers

[rough ingot]

But I guess that’s just since fog canyon is so close to green path

[blissful harbor]

she’s just resourceful

[sinful nimbus]

That or ETV yeah

[kindred ingot]

(or dies, too. Everyone in this damn game is dead)

[rough ingot]

I mean, anybody here thing the shade lord wasn’t physical since uhh it very much was. I saw that as an argument somewhere

Please don’t make me explain my ending lore

[edgy nebula]

shade lord shows up as a splitsecond hallucination, but we also see it's slashes, so it's ambiguous

[sinful nimbus]

Do you mean "Think" instead of thing

Because I think that its a hallucination yes

[rough ingot]

Yes nobody notices the slashes

[edgy nebula]

the siblings are also there, when they werent there in etv

[sinful nimbus]

TK also slashes in DNM

[rough ingot]

This slash specifically

[edgy nebula]

it's more like whips, no?

[kindred ingot]

but it's different slashes

[rough ingot]

And it’s the same 4 hit combo

[sinful nimbus]

How do you know

[rough ingot]

I sent them

[blissful harbor]

eyes

[kindred ingot]

I played the game????

and watched the cutscenes????

with my eyes????

[rough ingot]

These starpengu

[sinful nimbus]

It looks a bit different in the cutscene

Big deal

It also looks slightly different to shade lord's slashes

[rough ingot]

It’s the shade lord

[limpid summit]

Those are VGFocus’s slashes

[rough ingot]

It is MORE SIMILAR TO THE SHADE LORD THAN THE KNIGHT PELASE

[kindred ingot]

the Shade Lord's slashes are different from the Shade's slashes

[runic fox]

I also heard about some "God of Gods" on the Internet, yet I don't quite understand why. Was there really someone in the SK who could be called "God of gods" as such? Not like Shadow Monarch played big role or any role to be talking about some "God of gods"

[sinful nimbus]

Oh my god bruh

[limpid summit]

They look different because VGFocus is in a gameplay cutscene while this is a real cutscene

[rough ingot]

Have you beaten pantheon 5

[kindred ingot]

why do we call it "SK" when it clearly should be "SS"?

[runic fox]

Yup

[sinful nimbus]

SS triggers discord filters

[rough ingot]

Yes that’s the God of Gods

[sinful nimbus]

Unironically

[edgy nebula]

ss is related to nazis

[blissful harbor]

ive wondered this too and apparently it’s like a bad word

[limpid summit]

Channels with SS in their name are marked

[kindred ingot]

why???

[runic fox]

Agreed, but confs somehow called with sk

[limpid summit]

This

[kindred ingot]

...oh.

[sinful nimbus]

Google SS on your school computer for more information

[limpid summit]

Not sharp shadow Bruh 😭👎

[edgy nebula]

shade soul 💔

[rough ingot]

The god of gods is the theoretical strongest being in the hollow knight verse. If we trust godseeker. It also outright killed a god as opposed to dragging it into the void to kill it there.

[blissful harbor]

what does sk even stand for
SilKsong??
surely a better abbreviation was there somewhere

[sinful nimbus]

OGs remember susie smoocher

[rough ingot]

Skyward Sword

[edgy nebula]

sks

[kindred ingot]

SI? HKSS?

or just HKS

[rough ingot]

SK since Skong, S.S silksong

[runic fox]

What I don't understand why I heard talks about God of Gods regarding silksong

[kindred ingot]

HK 2

[rough ingot]

HKSS

[rough ingot]

It shows up as a flash

[sinful nimbus]

do we even need silksong channels

[rough ingot]

I feel like it is very recognizable despite us never getting a very good look at it

[sinful nimbus]

Just make this exclusively an HK server

[kindred ingot]

yes, this is the Hollow Knight server

[rough ingot]

It’s both

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but there's a Silksong server just down the block

[kindred ingot]

we need a server for the second game of the franchise

[rough ingot]

Cuz also Hollow Knight Silksong

[runic fox]

Yeah, and I'm not sure he's actually God of Gods and not just Knight's shade

[edgy nebula]

this server is better cause it has lacenet banned

[rough ingot]

It’s sorta a collection of all the shades but under the control of the knight. Which explains the eyes and appearance

[edgy nebula]

doesnt really stop people going feral over shipping though

[blissful harbor]

the god of gods is in fact the knight

[limpid summit]

How good was prime abhiker gaming

[sinful nimbus]

Does the Silksong server not have that banned

[limpid summit]

Nope

[rough ingot]

R/silksong

[sinful nimbus]

I'm not surprised none of my interactions with the mods there have been good

[blissful harbor]

i didn’t know there was a silksong server where is my invite smh

[runic fox]

Appearance alike in Dream no more not Pantheon's one

[edgy nebula]

this server is the hub for hk stuff anyway

[sinful nimbus]

Just search silksong in discovery

[edgy nebula]

do they have a better lore channel

[sinful nimbus]

Good luck have fun

[rough ingot]

Uh… the shade lord flashes for a brief second and we know it’s there since the slashes mimic the shade lord

[edgy nebula]

if they do i might consider joining

[rough ingot]

We need a whole lore server

[runic fox]

Gotcha

[sinful nimbus]

heck nah 💔

[edgy nebula]

yeah ok then im staying here lmao

[sinful nimbus]

Go to mosscord if you want another okay lore channel

[edgy nebula]

i didnt know mossbag had a discord server

[sinful nimbus]

this one on top though fr

[rough ingot]

If you replay the cutscene on YouTube and slow the claw slashes down you see it’s there and the brief flash you see is it physically

[rough ingot]

It’s got everyone in it

[limpid summit]

Go to the wiki lore channel if you want another good lore channel

[edgy nebula]

is the wiki server any good? ive been considering joining

[limpid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-gif-18583403

[sinful nimbus]

The nefarious shoulder devil

[rough ingot]

I got lucky and had a picture of the claw marks on my switch and slowed the cutscene to get the matching frame

Let’s consider this the best lore channel, I know Reddit doesn’t have one

[edgy nebula]

aight ill consider joining the two then

[sinful nimbus]

I checked the wiki server for laughs and saw someone who got banned from another hk discord for transphobia as a mod 🥀

Not a good place

[rough ingot]

God

[sinful nimbus]

And yes the admins know

[limpid summit]

Bobbitt pleade join the SS server

[edgy nebula]

nevermind then, just the mosscord

[limpid summit]

It’s so funny

The Silksong server

Sorry discord

[edgy nebula]

why whats happening

[limpid summit]

Nothing now

[edgy nebula]

are the people there stupider than in here

[limpid summit]

Usually not

But sometimes

[rough ingot]

I don’t need more lacenet in my life

and explaining for the 50th time that green prince is gay

[edgy nebula]

what do they think he is

[rough ingot]

And silksong lore without the hollow knight lore leaves some hard points like the true ending

[runic fox]

Do you also know that cool thing about Chill Zone themes? I mean, there's a different one in act 3, but not just this. Themes are also called, like, Repose and Reprieve, so like general chill and calamity awaiting. I learned about that detail recently and, damn, attention to details...

[rough ingot]

I know hes gay but we don’t need an in depth explanation

[rough ingot]

Team cherry loves details. I’ll give you that.

It took them 7 years

[edgy nebula]

fair enough

[rough ingot]

Like we know Grey Mourner is probably a lesbian

[limpid summit]

Remember that one Portuguese translator guy

[rough ingot]

No

[runic fox]

Damn, I'd really call SK a kind of horror just 'cause of act 3 atmosphere. Absolute cinema. I wanted to cry over Garmond

[rough ingot]

I wish you could save Garamond like lace and Seth

And Sherma and shakra

He didn’t deserve to die

I would do the flower quest all the way to Pharloom to give garmond a flower

To save his life

[runic fox]

K, guess I'll go watch Mossbag vid, finally!

[rough ingot]

My bro didn’t even do his quest before starting act 3

I said do garmond’s quest and he thought I ment GOURmANF

So I fought lost garmond and he asked “who’s that”

I’m like you did the quest right

He said “I thought you meant the gourmand quest”

Enjoy the moss bag gud

Vid

I need to watch it, I watched CC’s, and bro forgot the shade lord slash detail

[runic fox]

BTW love Lost Lace's theme. Yunno, a decisive battle, kingdom's existence at stake, yet a beautiful music plays - so cool

[rough ingot]

It’s great

People were kinda sad they wanted to fight void Gms

My evidence

[edgy nebula]

i have invaded the mossbag discord

[rough ingot]

Oh boy

If mossbag forgot the shade lord slash detail I’m gonna crash out if ppl say it wasn’t physical and was a hallucination

Here is this if you want it

@edgy nebula how is the situation in the mossbag discord

[edgy nebula]

nothing so far

general chat seems lively but the sk lore channel hasnt been active in around 3 hours

[rough ingot]

Dang

[edgy nebula]

lots of familiar faces there already though

[rough ingot]

Really?

I’ve always been a lore enthusiast

Sub a few games cuz I was either young or uhh the lore was way to complex and strange that in the basic gameplay you know absolutely jack about it

Then they added like 6 scenes of lore, most are useless except 1 has some serious implications

All though the hollow knight lore is probably way better

[kindred ingot]

imagine if Radiance makes a comeback as one of the phanteons' boss

[rough ingot]

If DNM or ETV is canon

That sun is DEAD

I’m also curious

[kindred ingot]

Radiance doesn't "die" in DNM

[rough ingot]

In the void they probably fold

They can’t weave a cocoon like GmS

And is severely weakened from the Knight

[kindred ingot]

also, considering Silksong has the whole "entering memories" thing, we could totally fight a memory version of Radiance

[rough ingot]

Godseeker memory

But how would Hornet finish radiance off

She can’t conveniently bind it since it’s not silk and uhh Hornet can’t do anything with void

[kindred ingot]

she just dies regularly because it's not the real thing

[rough ingot]

Could be

Also

Do you think the shade lord will be a fight or a “NPC” in godhome that doesn’t fight you since the godseeker reveres it now

I ain’t fighting that

[kindred ingot]

probably a fight
but maybe we won't fight THE Shade Lord, just like, the Knight

[rough ingot]

I really don’t want to fight either

In lore

The gap is so huge even the weaver queen can’t bridge it

[kindred ingot]

I think it'd be cool to fight the Knight

[rough ingot]

Grand mother silk would have folded instantly if the shade lord even got involved a teeny bit

[kindred ingot]

know how strong we really are

[rough ingot]

I don’t!!!!!!