sk-lore

[tulip lotus]

Isn't it the same thing?

[pine scaffold]

An argument is normally in bad faith

It’s done angrily

[craggy violet]

Jos3 why you ragebaiting people in the official discord server 😭

[craggy violet]

English is second language

[pine scaffold]

That’s why I explained what an argument is

[tulip lotus]

Omg hi speck

U finally here

[craggy violet]

Ye thx

[tulip lotus]

So

What we were talking on dms

Is if Lace is, or isn't made of void

And silk

[pine scaffold]

[craggy violet]

Lace is 100% not made of void

[pine scaffold]

That hurts my very soul

[tulip lotus]

Liar

[edgy nebula]

yes silk, no void

[craggy violet]

Not lying

[tulip lotus]

We mean both

[pine scaffold]

Lace is literally just silk

That’s a big part of the lore

[craggy violet]

Just silk

[tulip lotus]

BUT HOW DID SHE SURVIVED VOID?

[pine scaffold]

Her mother protected her

[craggy violet]

She didnt bro she turned into lost lace

[tulip lotus]

She literally covered herself in void

[craggy violet]

Hornet saved her before grandmother silk collapsed

She was corrupted

[pine scaffold]

And yet she was still underneath it

[tulip lotus]

She castes void attacks

[tulip lotus]

But she didn't die

[craggy violet]

Cause she was corrupted with void

Jose

[tulip lotus]

😭

[craggy violet]

Why do you think Lace has any void in her?

[pine scaffold]

Becuse her mother protected her

[craggy violet]

Exempting that she is surrounded by void when shes SURROUNDED BY VOID

[pine scaffold]

Also she might not have died because of the fact that she’s just silk and soul

[tulip lotus]

I forgot this part 😔

[pine scaffold]

Silk can clearly be corrupted my void

As seen in almost all of act three

[craggy violet]

Grandmother silk did not have access to void, and even if she could get to the abyss, she wouldn’t. She fears the void

[tulip lotus]

True

[craggy violet]

TRUE

Think about the opening cutscene

Of act 3

[tulip lotus]

Stop stop I know I'm wrong 😞

I forgot that people can be corrupted by void

Like Garmond

[craggy violet]

Exactly

[pine scaffold]

“Stop shooting him he’s already dead”

[craggy violet]

Huginn you have any hot takes?

[pine scaffold]

Hornet is the love child of pale king and Grimm

[craggy violet]

Mine is theres still a secret path of pain hidden somewhere in red memory that nobody has found yet

[craggy violet]

Ooooh I love it

[stray fog]

Wouldn't dataminers find it

[craggy violet]

Is it the pale lady?

[pine scaffold]

Herra

[craggy violet]

I know I just hope 😭

[celest fern]

Hello

[pale narwhal]

i cant tell if youre joking

[craggy violet]

Lol

No just had a brain fart

I know its weird but path of pain was my favorite part of Hollow Knight

I was so proud when I finally beat it

[celest fern]

Na butt it was good

[pine scaffold]

A drill attack scuttling around like a spider wearing bright red using fire magic

[tulip lotus]

Hehe butt

[celest fern]

😔

[tulip lotus]

Would Hornet be able to beat the path of pain?

Lore accurate

[pale narwhal]

doesnt it require crystal dash

[pine scaffold]

I don’t think she’d be able to get there actually

[pale narwhal]

would the elegy of the deep not allow her into the white palace?

[tulip lotus]

Of course she can't

In the hypothetical case that she's able to start it

[pine scaffold]

She enters memories not dreams

[tulip lotus]

She uses silk-songs to do it

[pine scaffold]

Say that again

[celest fern]

Random question Have you guys all beat the first game

[pale narwhal]

ye

[tulip lotus]

112%

I just reached absolute radiance yesterday

[pine scaffold]

Yeah

[tulip lotus]

Don't look at me bad

But I started playing hollow knight when Silksong released

😔

[pine scaffold]

Yiu didn’t experience the silk song wait and the pain it brought

It’s probably for the best

[celest fern]

I beat path of pain in my first play through

[pine scaffold]

I’d wish that upon no one

[pale narwhal]

i was never cut out for p5

[celest fern]

Me to

[atomic widget]

Fair enough

[tulip lotus]

I never had the clown wig on

[pine scaffold]

Yeah it got bad

Some people thought it was never releasing

[tulip lotus]

I remember my first Hornet encounter on greenpath

Her name wasn't hornet

It was THE SILKSONG!!

[pine scaffold]

Oh my god I’m fighting John silk song

[pale narwhal]

now we're waiting on a sea of sorrow date
(its gonna pull a silksong and become a separate game again)

[pine scaffold]

Noooooo not again

[craggy violet]

Nahh they wont do that

[tulip lotus]

That was me

[pine scaffold]

Fifteen years later we get to play as Sherma

[pale narwhal]

no you're right, thats the 4th dlc

[tulip lotus]

I'm still waiting for Zote boat

[craggy violet]

Hornet still needs a godhome dlc

[pine scaffold]

It’d be worth the wait

[pale narwhal]

or 5th?

[craggy violet]

True

[tulip lotus]

Make it lore accurated

[pale narwhal]

hidden dream, lifeblood, grimm and godhome
yea
so silksong will get 5 dlcs except the 5th becomes its own game again

[craggy violet]

I just hope we get to see the grimm troupe again

[tulip lotus]

Guys

Silksong was going to be a DLC right?

[pine scaffold]

Counter point hornets dlc was planned before all of those

[pale narwhal]

but when was it announced?

[pine scaffold]

So it would make more sense that they decide to make sea of sorrows is own game and then make four DLCs

[pale narwhal]

yea

[atomic widget]

Kickstarter

[tulip lotus]

But team cherry said that there would be 2 playable characters apart from the knight

[pine scaffold]

Before all of the other DLCs

[pale narwhal]

ah

then yea

[tulip lotus]

One of them being hornet

Who was the other one?

[pine scaffold]

So they are gonna make sea of sorrows its own game make four DLCs and the wait seven years to release the game

Where you play as Sherma going fishing

[tulip lotus]

And it will be worth it

[craggy violet]

ZOTEBOAT

[pine scaffold]

The Sherma dlc

[tulip lotus]

I said that 5 minutes ago

[pine scaffold]

I’d pay thousands for that

[pale narwhal]

obvs you were gonna play as the menderbug

[craggy violet]

I KNOW I just wanted to say it

MENDERBUGGER

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/sherma-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-bell-gif-8137261478976609123

[pale narwhal]

get to see that sweet menderbash

[pine scaffold]

That’s my boy

[pale narwhal]

and get murdered with a descending dark

[craggy violet]

K well imma leave now

[tulip lotus]

I was thinking about Quirrel

[pine scaffold]

That would be a really cool game

[pale narwhal]

thats probably the real answer

[tulip lotus]

I didn't even pay for both games

[craggy violet]

I only joined to get backup on the lace void discussion

[pine scaffold]

Especially if we got to see the lands where no gods rule

[pine scaffold]

Good bye

[craggy violet]

Tvhau

[tulip lotus]

How many rosaries does a geo cost?

[pale narwhal]

imagine exploring the wastes between

i have to imagine theyre what the citadel calls the sandsea waste

[tulip lotus]

Isn't that the rotten ducts?

[pine scaffold]

That would be so cool

[tulip lotus]

Idk the name in English

[atomic widget]

Bro talking about Vinland

[pale narwhal]

???

[tulip lotus]

The billiar waters

??

[tulip lotus]

Forget about that

[pine scaffold]

Bile water?

[tulip lotus]

Yes

[pine scaffold]

Yay I helped

[tulip lotus]

I played the game in Spanish don't blame me

😞

[craggy smelt]

sandsea wastes sounds like the wastelands outside kingdoms (a 'sea' of sand)

[craggy smelt]

The edge of Karak and the Surface probably give you an idea of what it's like

[pine scaffold]

Maybe is where the ocean one was

[craggy smelt]

maybe!

[tulip lotus]

I haven't reached the surface

How do I do that?

[pine scaffold]

If it is maybe the dlc lets you explore the memory of it

[craggy smelt]

Search above the Cradle

[tulip lotus]

What's the cradle?

[pale narwhal]

the sandsea waste, the blackbarrens and fhe city of steel
i want to explore them all

[craggy smelt]

the very top part of the Citadel, where you fight the big Silk lady

[tulip lotus]

Probably I know what it is, but not how it is named

[tulip lotus]

Okok

[craggy smelt]

'La Cuna' maybe?

[lost frigate]

would be cool if it was the dream of the lifeblood god, like with greenpath and unn

[tulip lotus]

Yes

Exactly

[lost frigate]

like the sea of sand becomes a sea of sea

[tulip lotus]

"The cradle" wow

[tulip lotus]

Or the sand of sand

[craggy smelt]

Sand Town

[tulip lotus]

"the big silk lady" is killing me

Grand mother silk and "Gran madre seda" They have the same initials

[craggy smelt]

Grande Madre

ooh, I was close

[tulip lotus]

Yep

GMS

Ye I'm tired

Good night everyone

[pale narwhal]

at least the spanish doesnt confuse people
ive seen people think its grandmother and not Grand Mother

[tulip lotus]

That would be like "Abuela seda"

💀

[lost frigate]

i misread it as that and didn't think about it too hard lol

like of course she's grandma silk

hornet is visiting for christmas :D

[tulip lotus]

Grandma of who?

Did hornet and lace have a baby?

[pale narwhal]

well she is hornets grandma kinda

[limpid summit]

What do we think DLC will do with Seth

If anything

[tulip lotus]

Kill him

[limpid summit]

I hope not

[lost frigate]

Hornet is the daughter of a weaver which are the "daughters" of gms

[craggy smelt]

I think doing anything further with Seth would kinda go against the spirit of the character

he's a flea now

[limpid summit]

But he says our friendship has only just begun

I feel like we need to at least have a Garmond Shakra type tag team fight alongside him

[pine scaffold]

So true

[craggy smelt]

I don't know, maybe it's because he's a memorial character
feels weird thinking about more things being done with him

[pine scaffold]

He makes an awesome flea

[limpid summit]

I think I’m just greedy

I don’t like the Nyleth storyline 💔

We don’t get enough about him for his backstory to matter even though his actual in game interactions are peak

[lost frigate]

to defeat the final boss of sea of sorrow, seth and the fleas aid you - you bounce off the fleas to avoid plummeting into the life-void (lifeblood void) while seth does that thing quirrel does to uumuu

[craggy smelt]

I found it charming
his backstory doesn't really matter, since he's starting out as a 'new' being

like Brumm and Nymm

but less annoying

[limpid summit]

Brumm wasn’t teased alongside “the Voice” though

Tell me a proper Seth backstory in some way shape or form wouldn’t have been hard

It would give more weight to his newfound identity

[craggy smelt]

the Voice would have been Nyleth - his earliest preview mentioned that the Voice chose him

[pine scaffold]

Also he has brain damage from your fight

[craggy smelt]

pretty obvious that he was chosen by Nyleth to guard her shrine

[pine scaffold]

You bonked him way way to hard

[craggy smelt]

noooo... that's not twue

[lost frigate]

i wonder why unn is a higher being and nyleth isnt

[limpid summit]

The voice is Nyleth yes

[craggy smelt]

I remember hoping it would be Void related

[pine scaffold]

He does forget who you are tho

[limpid summit]

An eternal protector, waiting amidst tangled roots at the base of the Citadel. He guards a secret long forgotten and will attack any who stray too close.

And it’s just Isma

[craggy smelt]

yeah, but it's more like Nyleth enchanted him, and with her gone the spell is broken and he's freed

[limpid summit]

Nyleth is cool in a vacuum and Seth is peak

But I wish he got a bit more

Does Nyleth’s enchantment block out the Needolin

[pine scaffold]

I like to image it’s because you bonked him

[limpid summit]

He doesn’t have dialogue when you fight

[lost frigate]

Seth is to Nyleth what Dryya is to The White Lady

Except bro is the goat and didn't die

[limpid summit]

Imagine if you took quirrels cool backstory and replaced it with Markoth

[craggy smelt]

I guess that's the obvious explanation
or he's too focused when fighting

[limpid summit]

Assumedly “Wandering Seeds” or whatever you’d call them like Nyleth and Isma have a measure of natural plant growth but nothing on the level of Unn

[lost frigate]

He learned from the great and mighty zote to not dream, so he can't be distracted

[limpid summit]

She makes an entire race of bugs walk from her dream while Nyleth just sort of makes a ton of plants

[lost frigate]

I guess that makes sense, could be the naturey equivalents of weavers for gods like unn

[limpid summit]

Which is still like

Crazy cool

[craggy smelt]

Seth does sing about 'sacred seeds' plural, always thought that was interesting
like maybe it hinted at multiple 'Seeds'

[limpid summit]

But like a naturally powerful species of creatures like Shamans

[lost frigate]

obviously to a lesser degree, seeing as the weavers trounced them

[limpid summit]

Or Weavers yeah

[craggy smelt]

Nyleth seemingly spread plants from herself, while Unn dreamed them

(are Seeds Roots? Is Nyleth a Root?)

how does any of this crap work....?

[pine scaffold]

So of the most powerful races it’d probably be weaver snails and moths right?

[stray fog]

Wyrms?

[lost frigate]

i'm lowkey convinced snail shamans are the descendants of the ancient civilization. like in hollow knight i wasn't convinced that the spiral shells meant anything in the void area since the one shaman we see doesn't seem void-ey but since silksong was like "ofc we're void magic people, idiot" it seems like a pretty clear follow through

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but that’s not just a normal race

Those are gods

I meant more of the normal races

[stray fog]

Oh

[limpid summit]

It’s a bit muddled but when the shamans talk about their obsessions it makes sense that it’s like

Great power in general

Shaman AC has been around for a minute though

[lost frigate]

Yeah I guess thats fair, seeing as soul is distinctly not void

[stray fog]

It'd be cooler if the steel people were the ac descendants instead of shamams

[craggy smelt]

the shaman in Hallownest doesn't recognize the AC spell, and the Pharloom shaman mentioned they hadn't been to the Abyss
I think their magic might bring the Void to them, rather than them going to it
like the steel guys

[lost frigate]

and they huff soul like glue

[pine scaffold]

Of those three two of the were directly made by gods

[limpid summit]

Probably not

But

I think Greyroot is

[pine scaffold]

Do the shamans have a creator?

[craggy smelt]

not one we know about

[limpid summit]

I think Roots are a species like Wyrms with a few guidelines (foresight, rulership) but a lot of variance in their individual members

[pine scaffold]

Could it be the void in some form?

[lost frigate]

if they do we don't know of them

[pine scaffold]

Well we don’t know half of the lore

That’s why it’s fun to speculate

[limpid summit]

If you even think Root is a species then you might as well call Greyroot one

[craggy smelt]

I doubt the Void naturally forms anything besides tendrils, though it can be shaped into things
but by other entities like PK

[limpid summit]

Cause it’s used like Wyrm

[pine scaffold]

It forms those six eyed monsters

[stray fog]

which monsters

[lost frigate]

in the void tendrils, the little monster face

[pine scaffold]

The ones that cover the sea and deal damage

[craggy smelt]

those are tendrils

[stray fog]

Tendrils

[limpid summit]

Yak actually now that we actually dive

How does the void sea really work

[pine scaffold]

Ok but what about the eel looking things under the sea

[limpid summit]

What is the void without the tendrils

Is it like just black water

[stray fog]

Those are also tendrils

[limpid summit]

With tendrils moving in it

Why is the void sea not just entirely tendrils

[craggy smelt]

it does seem like there's a fluid medium in the sea that has distinct tendrils in it

[lost frigate]

seems like eyes but i could see it just being bubbles

[craggy smelt]

maybe the Void can't focus all of itself into tendrils all of the time because it lacks unity or whatever

[limpid summit]

Hmm

[stray fog]

Apparently tendrils choose to become tendrils
So the other void didn't choose so

[limpid summit]

I could see that

But it IS unified ugh

[lost frigate]

could just be a creature that swims in the void, seeing as that one thing can store void inside itself

[pine scaffold]

They look very very different

[limpid summit]

Okay wait

With how void works in SS

[lost frigate]

i forget the name

[stray fog]

Gloomsac

[lost frigate]

ye that

[limpid summit]

Can we confidently say that all Godseeker Focus does is allow TK to more efficiently control void quickly as an extension of itself

Assuming a larger form (more void)

[pine scaffold]

Also the bugs (I can’t remember the name) that doesnt need to eat

[craggy smelt]

the Everbloom might be pacifying nearby Void, and the tendrils are more concentrated parts of the Void - more of its disparate will brought together to attack

[pine scaffold]

They seemed to made of void somehow

[stray fog]

Shadow creeper

[pine scaffold]

Yeah those

Thank you

[craggy smelt]

I always saw it that way - Godseeker Focus enhances a being and all of their attributes
that would include the Void Heart, since it is part of the Knight
therefore TK gains a greater degree of unity - literally becoming one with the Void instead of just controlling it

[marble oasis]

i always thought it was like ferrofluid that formed into tendrils

but ss makes it looks like the tendrils are eels that live in vaguely gray void water

[lost frigate]

idk i see them as like, a different kingdom of species, plant, bug, fungi, void

and the void things just look like bugs

like how mushrooms resemble plants

[limpid summit]

Why did they do ts

[stray fog]

I dont think those are separate creatures
Because when the everbloom removes a tendril, it quickly reforms. So its probably the void itself taking a form, not a creature that adapted to live in the void

[pine scaffold]

Well to be fair the only reason the void is gray is because of the flower

[lost frigate]

i mean like the shadow creepers and gloomsacks and the like

[pine scaffold]

Yeah those are almost definitely just void formed to defend itself

[lost frigate]

and maybe the void fish thing if that's not just bubbles on the void tendrils

[craggy smelt]

the Void around Hornet is pacified by the light of the Everbloom, making it seem like murky water
the big tendrils are formed further away so they can build up their strength for an attack on the bloom

[stray fog]

Is liquid void what harms you, or is it the tendrils?

[limpid summit]

I don’t understand the Gloom creatures

[pine scaffold]

Well probably not the liquid

[limpid summit]

Are they also corpses with void imprints

[pine scaffold]

As hornet still touches that

[craggy smelt]

you can swim around in it when it's pacified

[limpid summit]

They’re pretty cool though

[stray fog]

You also have the everbloom at that point

[pine scaffold]

So I don’t think the void itself hurts by contact

[craggy smelt]

I was thinking of the Knight doing the same

but still

[stray fog]

True

[craggy smelt]

if the liquid itself was dangerous, it would hurt you anyway

[pine scaffold]

I think the void itself doesnt hurt unless it’s attacking

Otherwise the void in the air would kill everyone

[marble oasis]

i’m under the impression that liquid void, even trace amounts, would form into tiny tendrils that shred your insides

[limpid summit]

It’s probably like not great to be around considering the crying corpses

But it won’t kill you on contact if you got something going on

[craggy smelt]

unless you're a Gargant Gloom

[lost frigate]

when void condensates on you its over

[limpid summit]

How do the gargant glooms do it

[craggy smelt]

maybe inside your stomach it would be nice and dark so it'd be happy

[stray fog]

The Weavers had containers with small amounts of void, but no tendrils

[marble oasis]

yeah they’re adapted

[pine scaffold]

Unless they are part void themselves

[marble oasis]

i would assume so

we get soul from them don’t we?

[pine scaffold]

It seems like entities that low down dont eat anymore

[marble oasis]

i could believe it if they didn’t have soul, because then there’s nothing for the void to attack

[craggy smelt]

it could be they're all entities like the vessels - hollowed out by the Void and then animated by it
with trace bits of Soul in their shell

[lost frigate]

the shadow charger desc implies that they aren't truly bugs, i assume the same for the glooms

[craggy smelt]

shadow creepers seem like blobs of Void wearing shells

[lost frigate]

they're evil little void creatures, not to be trusted

[marble oasis]

Gloomsacs certainly not

[limpid summit]

“Our cousins” says the half Weaver half Wyrm

[marble oasis]

Gargant glooms are a bit too complex

[stray fog]

[limpid summit]

Gloomsacs are flying half corpses

That’s what Hornet means

[pine scaffold]

So the void almost definitely makes living things right?

[lost frigate]

to be fair the weaver half is pharlid

[craggy smelt]

they don't respond to the Needolin, though you did get a bit of a response from the dreamnail and they were Infected in Hallownest

[limpid summit]

I think what Hornet means with the shadow chargers is that they’ve like evolved very differently

[lost frigate]

yeah but thats like the radiance seeping in, it hardly counts

[limpid summit]

Not that they’re creations or anything like that

[stray fog]

Yep thats because of the infection
Does broken vessel have dreamnail dialogue?

[limpid summit]

They’ve just lived down in the abyss for so long that they’re essentially not bugs

Speciation

[craggy smelt]

guess it depends on what you mean by 'living'
it can take on different forms, but they seem to naturally lack Soul, so no 'lifeforce'

[craggy smelt]

yeah, the same '...' that Creepes have in fact
but Broken Vessel is completely without Void at that point

creepes, hee

[lost frigate]

i don't mean to imply they were created, just that whatever kickstarted their evolution prob had the void as its origin where the bugs above had whatever is going on with higher beings

[limpid summit]

Lightseeds do, Broken Vessel doesn’t

[pine scaffold]

Yeah I mean more in the way that they can move around and stuff

[limpid summit]

The lightseeds coming together forms an Essence copy of BV’s mind though

Vessel minds are probably just hard to read

[pine scaffold]

Also why are radiance and lifeblood counter parts

[limpid summit]

Too alien for the DN

[pine scaffold]

That’s weird right?

[limpid summit]

Or no

Wrong wording

Void messes with sensory abilities

[lost frigate]

budderfly and mofth

[craggy smelt]

yeah - Void is like 'anti-Soul' or something
it also acts as a lifeforce to animate creatures

[limpid summit]

Collector you can read because the imprint is solid

[pine scaffold]

So if radiance makes the orange goo

[limpid summit]

We’ll just have to wait and see

[pine scaffold]

Who makes the blue goo?

[craggy smelt]

dun dun dun!

[lost frigate]

they're probably the same kind of higher being if i had to guess

[limpid summit]

I don’t think many people unironically expected lifeblood infection

[pine scaffold]

Have you seen the worm ways?

[craggy smelt]

I was pretty shocked

[limpid summit]

The “Lifeblood Beast” in the Abyss and godhome might

[lost frigate]

maybe instead of pale being they're bright beings

[limpid summit]

Or he’s just some dude

[lost frigate]

or dream beings

or something

[marble oasis]

i love the idea that he was a void fella that got plasmified

[pine scaffold]

The worm ways were horrible

Becuse

[craggy smelt]

I always figured there was something slightly sinister about it, I didn't think it'd mirror the Infection that much

[pine scaffold]

How is hollow nest doing at this point

[marble oasis]

but he’s made of vines so he’s probably lifeblood incarnate

sigh

[craggy smelt]

White Lady has taken over everyone with white roots

[lost frigate]

truly dead probably

[craggy smelt]

pale gonna pale

[pine scaffold]

So the same?

The life blood puppets bodies like the radiance does

[lost frigate]

idk it was like a zombie with rad kicking around

[craggy smelt]

the Infection will be all gone

so bugs can rebuild

[lost frigate]

who tho

[craggy smelt]

now is the time of the Fluke

[pine scaffold]

Check the assistant in worm ways

[lost frigate]

maybe it will be the mighty kingdom of zotenest

[craggy smelt]

Mantis Tribe is still around

[pine scaffold]

Life blood literally is the same as radiance

[limpid summit]

What kind of void fella

[lost frigate]

the assistant was injecting lifeblood before dying, joni was dead dead in hollow knight

[craggy smelt]

more explorers will be surviving, so more stories of the kingdom will spread
Dirtmouth will grow

[marble oasis]

You’re asking too many questions

[limpid summit]

Fluke stocks are insanely high post Hallownest

[lost frigate]

true true

[craggy smelt]

maybe Unn and the mosskin will recover

[lost frigate]

i guess honestly any number of creatures can take over

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but Joni might have taken too much

The radiance does the exact same thing

[limpid summit]

Maybe WL’s bindings will slough off and she’ll just cover QG

[pine scaffold]

It used the bodies until it takes them over completely

Life blood could come from some powerful god

[lost frigate]

might just go back to pre pk since unn is still kicking, the mantis's are still there, the spiders in deepnest are still around, the fungi is fungi

[pine scaffold]

It would be far stronger then the radiance

Considering how long it’s been around

[craggy smelt]

maybe we'll meet the lifeblood beast in SoS
wring some answers out of them

[marble oasis]

“Unn is still kicking”

[lost frigate]

i guess the bees and moths are dead dead but thats like most of them

[marble oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[craggy smelt]

with her single giant slugfoot

[pine scaffold]

So the mantis tribe is alive

[lost frigate]

never underestimate the might kick of a slug

[limpid summit]

Hornet checking on Unn post infection

[pine scaffold]

Uhhh

[pine scaffold]

Will they rule everything?

[lost frigate]

nuu has feet, why can't unn

[marble oasis]

her giant stomach foot like some kind of… gastric pod…

[limpid summit]

Probably not

They’re content to stay where they are

[pine scaffold]

Hell for all we know the life blood coukd have killed them by now

[marble oasis]

mantises are genuinely like the only things still alive

[lost frigate]

the only actual operative god in hallownest is unn

[pine scaffold]

It spread very fast is silk song

[marble oasis]

when you get infected it melts your brain

no mushrooms

[lost frigate]

no the spiders are alive

[marble oasis]

no mosskin

no spiders

[lost frigate]

they kidnap you when you visit deepnest

[pine scaffold]

No they definitely aren’t

[lost frigate]

and they aren't infected

[limpid summit]

Midwife gonna have to carry the torch

[pine scaffold]

Oh yeah no you right

I didn’t even think about that

[limpid summit]

No Myla

[marble oasis]

would midwife extend the olive branch to the mantises if she’s genuinely the only person still alive in deepnest

or does she carry that racism to her grave

[craggy smelt]

I leave Myla alive, I have hope

[marble oasis]

infection melts your brain

[limpid summit]

You can’t save everyone…

[craggy smelt]

eventually

[marble oasis]

once you become fully infected

[muted lantern]

Shes also a species specifically adapted to having more soul than one beings worth. She literally collects soul from enemies and metabolizes it into silk.

[limpid summit]

Walking by Myla without a second thought vs trying to give the eulogy at Loam’s funeral

[marble oasis]

she would live if it’s that first stage where she’s struggling to remember her song

[marble oasis]

Can you give a picture please or do I have to imagine the meme myself

[muted lantern]

Question as i don't recall, is the last weaver in deepnest infected or not?

is she still alive?

[marble oasis]

Not infected

But we don’t see her or her sisters in pharloom so

[limpid summit]

One day team cherry will release an empty dlc slot and tell the fans to imagine the game and they’ll be like “I see it”

[lost frigate]

these guys, "distant villagers" which are not infected and are presumably the local spider tribe

[pine scaffold]

I imagine the weavers might have fled to a third kingdom

[marble oasis]

the shells are empty

[limpid summit]

Adult Weaver is probably not infected

[marble oasis]

go back there after they capture and the shells are discarded

[muted lantern]

Are they just like, a bunch of spiders in a trench coat?

[limpid summit]

But do you want to know what happened to the Weavers when they came back

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-last-judge-death-gif-10261273771146646774

[lost frigate]

hear me out, crackpot theory time

[pine scaffold]

Man I love -crack- -pot- time

[limpid summit]

Do you think GMS told her to do that or did she just do it

[edgy nebula]

there should be a hidden weaver mask in the background of blasted steps or the last judges arena

itd be so tubular

[muted lantern]

Also do you guys think any moths lived in the city of tears?

[lost frigate]

the local spider tribe are a bunch of mimics, they lure bugs in by pretending to be familiar then hunt / kill them. Nosk is a mimic spider heavily mutated by radiance goop

[limpid summit]

A spider in a bunch of trench coats

[muted lantern]

What im asking is if its one being controlling each mask and cloak or multiple

[limpid summit]

One bug controlling all of them simultaneously

[edgy nebula]

well we only hear one roar

[lost frigate]

And midwife has shitty fake mimicry with her mask

[limpid summit]

There’s 8 finger puppets

[marble oasis]

that or puppets on strings by one bug

[limpid summit]

And one voice for each dude

[marble oasis]

yeah

[edgy nebula]

are there?

[muted lantern]

Maybe the last weaver is stringing them along?

[pine scaffold]

Hey dont insult my mid wife like that

[marble oasis]

and they can’t be dream nailed

[marble oasis]

why would she do that

[limpid summit]

I always thought TC just couldn’t find a way to add the big spider from the trailer physically

[muted lantern]

Weavers are assholes

[trail wagon]

does every ||crest || have its own || charged attack? ||

[limpid summit]

No

[marble oasis]

yes

[limpid summit]

Yes?

Yes

[pine scaffold]

Yeah I think so

[muted lantern]

Also to protect herrah

[limpid summit]

I’m sorry I just straight up lied

[pine scaffold]

Man choose a side

Tsk tsk tsk

[marble oasis]

weavers know the vessel plan failed

[muted lantern]

Is it possible some moths lived in the city of tears?

[marble oasis]

there’s no reason to let the hollow knight live

[limpid summit]

This is hard but infection doesn’t change you to that degree

It just makes you fat

[marble oasis]

Mmm…

[muted lantern]

still theyd want to protect herrahs corpse from being destroyed.

[marble oasis]

why

[pine scaffold]

I don’t see it honestly

[limpid summit]

The Weavers doubly placed their faith in Hornet

[lost frigate]

Some bugs can detect when you're dreamnailing them, if the local spiders are as much into esoteric magicks as the weavers maybe they're blocking your attempts

[pine scaffold]

All the bugs seem pretty racist

[limpid summit]

As their messiah and as their queen

[marble oasis]

lol

[limpid summit]

If Hornet isn’t attacking you they wouldn’t harangue you

[muted lantern]

We know they were drawn to worship the pk tho, thats like, the inciting incident for why radiance is mad and started the infection. Wouldnt some moths have moved into pks city?

[marble oasis]

No creature who knows they’re being DNed can stop it

Not White Lady, not Snail Shaman

[pine scaffold]

Or would they have remained in their part of his kingdom

[marble oasis]

Why would these spiders have learned a tibetan monk technique

[limpid summit]

Quick tell me this guy’s name

[pine scaffold]

Yeah they’re spiders not bats

[muted lantern]

revek

[pine scaffold]

Bill

[pine scaffold]

I was close

[marble oasis]

I actually don’t know the pictures not loading

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-the-science-guy-gif-10195183

[pine scaffold]

Bill nye the dying guy

He’s dead

[muted lantern]

Oh i have a question. What do you think they call birthdays in the hk world? hatch days?

[trail wagon]

gng which || act 1 ending path is easiest ||

[marble oasis]

They have birth

[edgy nebula]

phantom's is generally considered easier i tihnk

[marble oasis]

Maybe they celebrate both when the egg was laid and when they were hatched

We don’t know

[edgy nebula]

but dont ask here, ask in #sk-help

[limpid summit]

Why doesn’t TK just no diff the shoddy puppets

[lost frigate]

alternate no dreamnail dialouge theory

[edgy nebula]

fucckkk i just spilled water everyehweere

[limpid summit]

🗣️

[trail wagon]

oh i thought this was sk help mb

[muted lantern]

I feel like the hatching would be closest to our birth day culturally. As thats like when we first enter the world

[marble oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[pine scaffold]

Hopefully it wasn’t bile water

[limpid summit]

I could have sworn there actually something about this

One npc says something

[muted lantern]

If you find it tell me

[limpid summit]

I’ll see

I might be making it up

[muted lantern]

i need it to know for writing purposes

[pine scaffold]

Well do all the bugs even have eggs?

[marble oasis]

You have to find it now apple

[limpid summit]

No I’ve learned my lesson

[pine scaffold]

It seems dependent on the species

[marble oasis]

Give me an idea of what you think the quote was and I can help

[limpid summit]

Once Star made something up and I looked through shakra’s dialogue for ten minutes

[muted lantern]

IIrc theres very few bugs if any that give live birth.

[limpid summit]

I don’t believe myself

[lost frigate]

Really though what would be the distant villagers if not some sort of non infected creature, cuz there's dream nail dialouge in the den where some poor bug got baited the same way

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but hollow knight lore is weird

[muted lantern]

and i think we only know of eggs in game

[lost frigate]

like this isn't a new development

[limpid summit]

Yeah they probably aren’t infected

So you got those guys and Midwife

[marble oasis]

They talk of “conception” certainly

[edgy nebula]

shakra calls hornet a child barely hatched if that counts

[muted lantern]

Yeah but i feel like they reference eggs very often, assumedly they are accurate in that broad stroke.

[marble oasis]

I don’t remember anything about “birth”

[limpid summit]

I don’t think mask maker is leaving his filthy chud house

[pine scaffold]

That’s probably true

[muted lantern]

It's still really funny she says that, does shakra genuinely mistake hornet for a newborn or is she just being an asshole lol.

[pine scaffold]

Unless you count “beings born of thought”

[limpid summit]

Does “recently infected” still mean their brains are mush

[pine scaffold]

Like the mosskin were born

They didn’t hatch

[marble oasis]

Aspid mother “births” its young

[pine scaffold]

And neither did the moths

[pine scaffold]

Yeah

[muted lantern]

I still cant decide if it's funnier if shakra genuinely mistakes hornet for a child for half the game or is just bullying her for being short this whole time.

[trail wagon]

why can the dawg (bell beast) hear hornet from literally anywhere (anywhere as in a bellway point)

[edgy nebula]

i think she's just dense and mistakes hornet for a child because she's short

[marble oasis]

Fierce and fast, and defending their lands even from birth
kindanir hj

[lost frigate]

i think its to parallel lace

[marble oasis]

Greyroot has the time of birth

[muted lantern]

Yeah its just saying barely hatched is really funny because that implies shakra thinks she looks like a newborn.

[lost frigate]

they're both incredibly old children

[edgy nebula]

kindanir

verdanirs if they were kind and quaint

oh thats actually a verdania enemy

[marble oasis]

Birth is the hatching of the egg too, because Huntress calls it a birth-craze

[muted lantern]

except hornet immeditaly corrects the notion of being a child, and it's provably false for her.

[pine scaffold]

I mean shakra probably thinks hornet is very young

[marble oasis]

And she certainly laid eggs

[edgy nebula]

i genuinely thought that was a misspelling

[pine scaffold]

And hornet calls shakra young

[trail wagon]

she is prolly 10x older than sharka

[marble oasis]

:/ doubting me

[lost frigate]

its a parallel, not a literal statement. being purely literal lace isn't a child either

[edgy nebula]

itll never happen again user zorinus sir

[lost frigate]

they both just look like one and to some regard act like one

[limpid summit]

Lace is a child

[lost frigate]

both having undeveloped world views

[muted lantern]

I mean lace is described as a child in body and mind, thats close enough.

[marble oasis]

Could you imagine being immortal and you’re permanently stuck looking 14

[pine scaffold]

Oh definitely

Hornet mentions quite often of how old she is

[limpid summit]

Hornet who is repeatedly mislabeled a child would not mislabel a non-child

[pine scaffold]

And how she’s outlived everyone

[limpid summit]

(In the last line of dialogue in the game)

[pine scaffold]

Even her mate

[limpid summit]

(Twice)

[marble oasis]

true…

didn’t even think about that

[pine scaffold]

Grand mommy silk might be a great grand mommy

[trail wagon]

how much time has passed between sk and hk

[pine scaffold]

No idea

[marble oasis]

she also takes offense to being called a bug and never mislabels lace a bug

[marble oasis]

a lot

[limpid summit]

Yeah

Actually she’s racist so she’s an unreliable narrator

[marble oasis]

hornet has gone through several mates in that time

[edgy nebula]

green prince is so bright compared to other verdanians

[limpid summit]

This proves nothing

[muted lantern]

He has a very good skincare routine

[limpid summit]

They look like pokemon

[edgy nebula]

true it is like an evolution line

[muted lantern]

Also bobbit why are you green prince now

[marble oasis]

She’s racist so she’s even better at distinguishing bugs and non bugs

[lost frigate]

is there like a text dump of the dialouge in silksong

[muted lantern]

check pins

[lost frigate]

i can't find it on the wiki

[edgy nebula]

hes cool i like him

[marble oasis]

It’s like those people who know every African tribe

[edgy nebula]

i dont understand him though

[lost frigate]

thanks bbg

[edgy nebula]

hes too nuanced for me

[limpid summit]

Maybe Skynx isn’t a Nosk actually

[marble oasis]

he’s gay

[limpid summit]

She doesn’t immediately profile it

[pine scaffold]

All the bugs are so racist

I mean the mantis tribe fucking died at the idea of one of them falling in love with someone out of the tribe

[marble oasis]

“Show yourself, you face stealing shapeshifting shell wearing innard sucking silkeater munching son of a bitch”

[pine scaffold]

That or the mantis tribe is homophobic

[marble oasis]

What did Hornet mean by this?

[limpid summit]

“Bitch”

[edgy nebula]

doesnt hornet's racism directly contradict her viewpoints in the first game

[muted lantern]

This conversation again

[edgy nebula]

im genuinely curious, doesnt it?

[lost frigate]

I would argue that she refers to lace as a silkspun child as she might refer to herself as a child of the weavers

[limpid summit]

Yes

It genuinely does

[muted lantern]

In a sense, but she can also be a hypocrite.

[lost frigate]

i don't think its toooooooo out of line

[limpid summit]

“We do not choose our mothers”

[marble oasis]

Traitor Lord: My daughter… I saw you kissing Ze’mer of Hallownest… I am very Palephobic

[edgy nebula]

yeah okay

[limpid summit]

TC wrote the spider fly dynamic in a vacuum and because HK is grimdark they had to make it a race war

Warhammer ahh

[marble oasis]

I think she’s genuinely just that pissed off at being captured and stripped

Of course that doesn’t explain why the entries are the same if you don’t get captured

[limpid summit]

Gloo gloo…I remember you’re genocides

[pine scaffold]

It’s so hard to know is he racist homophobic or does he just does not like how foreigners talk

[limpid summit]

What is her sprite in a pile if shit

[edgy nebula]

thing is she doesnt really mention it in the entries though

[edgy nebula]

egg

atleast i think it’s an egg

[limpid summit]

TC literally MADE dynamic entries for the Vaultborn if you randomly found them in act 3

[marble oasis]

why is it hairy

[limpid summit]

And then just decided not to use them and make their character racist

[edgy nebula]

broodmother gives live birth in her fight i guess she can just do both

[marble oasis]

Didn’t they remove that

[lost frigate]

like lace calls her a child and she doesn't go nuh uh im a big cool boy with a cool needle ;-;

[marble oasis]

Was that an accident

[limpid summit]

Yes

Right

[pine scaffold]

I can’t stop imagining the traitor lord as a drunk step father with a bear belly

[marble oasis]

*They

[muted lantern]

she refers to lace in the same way she refers to runt and nuu, both definitively children, when referencing laces lineage she switches to calling her pale child/pale one. Also using the term child in terms of lineage doesnt work when child is just used as a flat title, to make sense in that manner contextually it needs to be something like: spiders child, child of weavers, child of steel, etc. Hornet definitely uses the term child for lace in terms of youth.

[pine scaffold]

Lace might be older then hornet by quite a bit

[marble oasis]

lowkey he is drunk off the infection so

[edgy nebula]

id say caretaker’s dialogue is proof enough lace is a child, it’s pretty definitive

[pine scaffold]

And he’s chunky Because of it

[marble oasis]

exactly

[limpid summit]

I like how WL growth powers already made the traitors stronger but TL was just an asshole who took in the infection anyway

[marble oasis]

Stand proud

You cooked

[limpid summit]

Bobbitt

I know you’re not sold on Skynx Nosk

[lost frigate]

i will continue to skim the text dump but that sounds pretty correct from what i remember so i might be wrong

[pine scaffold]

New theory the radiance is just really good nectar and all of hollow nest is everyone being drunk

[marble oasis]

This is like how having a family gives you dad strength but beer is delicious

[muted lantern]

you do realize that line that says child is coming from hornet right? look the text is preceded by [Hornet]: Not [NPC]:

[limpid summit]

But do you admit that Skynx sounds like Styx + Nosk

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[muted lantern]

you can also check this in game yourself, hornet says best you keep watching child

[edgy nebula]

my take is that it isnt really meant to be explained

[lost frigate]

i can't read

[marble oasis]

No it doesn’t

[edgy nebula]

skynx is a weird mix of, its so obviously nosk, but also there are so many discrepancies

[marble oasis]

well

sort of

but he’s not a nosk

[limpid summit]

Hallownest’s elite warrior vs a few pints with the lads

[pine scaffold]

Skonks

[edgy nebula]

i think it’s just supposed to be mysterious, like nosk in the first game

[pine scaffold]

Man imagine if they sent one more dude

[limpid summit]

It’s uninfected I think a lot of it is just that

[pine scaffold]

Like a single mantis more

[limpid summit]

Well it’s probably not about that

TL wants to do it himself

But he’s too fat

WL could probably kill a single mantis anyway

[marble oasis]

Day in the life of a true mantexit geezer wheeyyy

[pine scaffold]

The infection betrayed him

It made his strong

[edgy nebula]

i think dryya got defeated instantly and the aluba was the one actually holding them back

[pine scaffold]

But “big and soft”

[limpid summit]

Chippy makes a 38 mantises 1 Dryya loss better

[marble oasis]

wait this is hilarious

[lost frigate]

Lowkey, you're right but I still think its supposed to be a parallel between the two

[pine scaffold]

But without the soft

[marble oasis]

he can’t get through the fucking door lmao

[pine scaffold]

That’s the only reason the pale lady is alive

Oh wait

[marble oasis]

that explains everything

[muted lantern]

I've skimmed the whole games text (including what you are doing with keyword searching the term) the term child is genuinely used in a mixed bag of referring to lineage and youth, easily determined by context in the majority of cases. Hornet however primarily uses the term child in reference to youth, with some exceptions. but again its generally easy to determine by context, stuf like spiders child, child of weavers, vs just using the term child as a title with no qualifier

[pine scaffold]

She can’t get out

The pale lady has the same problem

[marble oasis]

She doesn’t want to leave though

[lost frigate]

Lace has arrested development and hornet was forced to grow up and never had a childhood, i think they're supposed to be mirrors in a way

[pine scaffold]

Two big boys just staring at each other through a doorway

[limpid summit]

Also as to why it doesn’t shapeshift, shapeshifting is audible and takes a minute

[lost frigate]

And hornet being mistaken for a child is supposed to be the thing that helps sell it

[limpid summit]

Maybe it reverts to its true form when it feeds

And just needed to grab a mask to slap on to be inconspicuous

[marble oasis]

i don’t believe that was nosk shapeshifting

it reads like he was folded up in there to me

[lost frigate]

When silksong ends lace gets to grow up and hornet gets to live as a person, not an ascribed title

[marble oasis]

he shapeshifted to give himself the knight head and that’s all

[limpid summit]

Folded up in where

[marble oasis]

the knight body

[edgy nebula]

nosk is weird idk why it unfolds like a james bond sniper rifle

[pine scaffold]

So would hornet return to hollow nest?

[edgy nebula]

probably

[limpid summit]

How would it do that

[pine scaffold]

If so that would suggest something is still there

[edgy nebula]

well, her home

[pine scaffold]

She’s very adverse to “guarding a dead kingdom”

[lost frigate]

idk maybe, i saw the ending as her being free from the proverbial chains tying her as the protector of a dead land

[pine scaffold]

Is it tho?

[marble oasis]

if it could shapeshift into anything why would it go back to that

it could just transform into the ceiling and crush us

[edgy nebula]

yeah, she still has pals in deepnest

[limpid summit]

Because then there wouldn’t be a bossfight

[lost frigate]

so if i had to guess, her and lace set out together to explore the world

[marble oasis]

?

[edgy nebula]

midwife and whoever was puppeteering the villagers

probably more

[marble oasis]

@pine scaffold ?

[pine scaffold]

What?

[marble oasis]

Must have been the wind

[limpid summit]

“If it can shapeshift into Hornet because we have a bond with Hornet why doesn’t it do it in Deepnest”

[pine scaffold]

Exactly

[limpid summit]

I dunno

Maybe it’s not thinking straight because it’s infected

Its stomach is prolapsed and exploding outside of its body

[pine scaffold]

Doesnt nosk try to read the knights mind and it just kinda reflects it back

[limpid summit]

I don’t think I’d be focused on shapeshifting into an anvil

[edgy nebula]

if skynx is a nosk do we think it holds rosaries in it’s stomach instead of infection like the hk nosk does

[lost frigate]

I figured the normal nosk fight is just a vessel shell they found and the hornet nosk fight was just because it was the dreamrealm and nosk could be cool epic

[marble oasis]

why would we think that

[pine scaffold]

Nah it holds lifeblood

[limpid summit]

Nosk reads the Knight’s mind and it takes the Knight’s form because at the point in the game where you fight Nosk Team Cherry didn’t expect you to have fought Hornet Sentinel and appreciated Hornet for saving you

[edgy nebula]

skynx spits out rosaries

[marble oasis]

every vessel is supposed to have different horns

[marble oasis]

does he spit or throw them

[lost frigate]

there's 10 trillion of them, i'm sure theres some overlap

[edgy nebula]

pretty sure it’s an audible spit

[limpid summit]

It mirrors TK because in TC’s suggested play through TK has no connections by this time

By Godhome I mean you have to have done Hornet sentinel

[marble oasis]

WHAT???

[lost frigate]

tsk tsk tsk

[limpid summit]

@marble oasis Watch your language.

[marble oasis]

skynx tooah

[edgy nebula]

https://youtu.be/e5Eo3jqXXtM?si=fYDOeBPSeOTSdj6s yeah it spits them out

[limpid summit]

You know you can’t say c*ck but you can say cucked

[muted lantern]

(long essay ahead, this conversation about laces age comes so up often that i feel i gotta get into the details.) Yes in the sense that hornet didn't have much of a childhood and lace is trapped in childhood (kind of like a darker take on a character like peter pan). But the game doesnt really ever indicate that lace is secretly not a child, which is a take a lot of people seem to have. The game more indicates that she was made trapped in this state tho we arent told why there have multiple possible explanations. The caretakers dialogue makes it pretty explicit. "Look of a child and a mind to match, but shes been up wandering here longer than most" paraphrasing but its quite close if you wanna check the line.

[marble oasis]

hawk t*ah

[limpid summit]

People who try to argue that Lace is not a child actually are weirdos begging the question

[edgy nebula]

skynx's singing voice is also music to my ears

[pine scaffold]

I mean she’s clearly very old

But also clearly is a child

Just a very old child

[limpid summit]

Holy shit you hear that when he comes out

Dude Skynx is huge

[edgy nebula]

no when you needolin him

he also has no ndd

oh you responded to the youtube link not the ogg, nevermind

[limpid summit]

Waiter more Nosk parallels please

I guess a point against me is that Nosk has a very different voice

[marble oasis]

does nosk have dnd

[limpid summit]

While even Widow and First Sinner have the exact same voice

[muted lantern]

I try to take a more sympathetic/charitable explanation. 7 years of shipping content before this stuff was ever made clear has made people quite attached, and they are hesitant to accept the text as it would invalidate years of headcanons. I don't think theres any malicious intent behind it, my main issue is when people act like their reading is the only canon understanding despite the lack of textual support, and call people who dont agree media illiterate. it has also lead to people acting like lace being a kid ruins her character, and revealing many people have a very disturbing view of children being incapable of being complex individuals with complex traumas.

[limpid summit]

(???)

[edgy nebula]

no

[limpid summit]

This is fair

[edgy nebula]

it's just '...'

[limpid summit]

But whenever I get recent Silksong reels people are weird about it

[marble oasis]

but skynx has nothing at all?

does he sing wordlessly

[limpid summit]

I think the people who were at first confused have accepted it leaving genuine weird people

[marble oasis]

or no effect

[limpid summit]

Yes

[lost frigate]

No I get that, in the literal sense I'm saying she's not a child because she's old as balls. She is effectively a child physically and mentally (arrested development), where as Hornet resembles a child (physically) and has an undeveloped view of the world due forced expectations. Hence me saying they're supposed to be parallels to eachother. Hornet facing Lace in a way is her facing herself.

[limpid summit]

Just like Greyroot

[marble oasis]

hmmm

[limpid summit]

Presumably it’s the equivalent of being aware

Because the Needolin even translates Skarr

[marble oasis]

bb also sings along with the needolin

[lost frigate]

It's a narative device more than a literal assessment

[limpid summit]

BB has cut needolin dialogue

[edgy nebula]

curiously shadow creepers have no ndd, but gargant glooms have ... iirc

[limpid summit]

I think that’s like to not make the beastlings call confusing

[marble oasis]

oh come on if we weren’t allowed to consider that for pv

[limpid summit]

It’s not like eira has a completely alien mode of thought

[marble oasis]

yeah no, i believe it’s because the needolin doesn’t “compel” her to sing like the others

[lost frigate]

And my view is at the end of silksong they both get to abandon their chains and grow up

[marble oasis]

it forced out your thoughts if you’re compelled, but if you sing of your own volition it’s just a song

[limpid summit]

Well the PV is like

It wasn’t like TC saying

“Oh that’s wrong”

[edgy nebula]

yeah just checked, wonder why that is

[limpid summit]

It was them saying “you weren’t supposed to see that”

I think that’s probably what PV would have been thinking

But unreadable by the DN

[marble oasis]

didn’t they deny it was ever in there

[lost frigate]

I don't particularly care about the shipping, and besides they're lowkey kinda sibling-ish its weird

[muted lantern]

i agree with you to some extent, just covering my bases as many people argue shes secretly an adult. though im not actually sure if hornet looks like a kid to most, shakra clearly either thinks shes a kid or is being an asshole about her height. probably the former. But a lot of other characters treat her as an adult, let her drink at the bar, refer to her as old one, etc. I generally see hornet as someone who looks very young, but probably not as young as lace appears.

[pine scaffold]

Well lace would be hornets aunt right?

[marble oasis]

legally

but no blood relation (no blood at all)

[pine scaffold]

Lace is the same generation as weavers

[lost frigate]

idk they're made of magic soul string, if the higher being subsumes the lesser bug they're effective siblings

[limpid summit]

No idea

Gargant glooms don’t stop though either right

[edgy nebula]

im not sure

[limpid summit]

Personally I don’t think TC makes much of a distinction between none and “…”

Like Gloomsacs don’t have it

[edgy nebula]

all i checked was the ndd, not the trivia

[limpid summit]

But gargants do?

[pine scaffold]

Ok but lace is the same generation as weavers and hornet is the generation under that

[limpid summit]

I think they just pick and choose

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[pine scaffold]

So lace and phantom are hornets aunts

[muted lantern]

Speaking of which, i was wondering if people think knight looks like a child in universe. We know they look like a newborn for their species as they inhabit a corpse that doesnt grow, but how often are they referred to as a child?

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[muted lantern]

family tree wise yeah.

[limpid summit]

Well do you consider the Weavers to be GMS’s biological children because she changed their bodies

I wouldn’t say so

It’s like PK’s beacon

[pine scaffold]

Well if hornet is anything to go off of probably quite often

[limpid summit]

He not their dad

But that’s not why Lnet sucks anyway

[lost frigate]

its god business so i don't really think the bare studs of the relation matter more than the effective relationship they have to eachother

[pine scaffold]

If a bug doesnt know the species they seem to base age off of height

[lost frigate]

like they're both the generation under weaver, hornet literally and lace due to gms getting mad at the weavers

[limpid summit]

Last Stag calls it like

Little one right

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but mine is a lot funnier

[limpid summit]

I think since PK made his bug body permanently adult even Vessel fetuses look grown ish

[pine scaffold]

Lace being an aunt is a lot funnier to me then her being a sister

[muted lantern]

Id say the weavers are more of adoptive siblings, being gms's adopted (kidnapped and mutated) daughters. but they were definitely raised as sisters by gms. But you could argue they have a more direct relation just through the fact that they only exist as the beings they are by gms's silk, being reborn by her in a way.

[pine scaffold]

And really lace and hornet have no relationship

[marble oasis]

no

[pine scaffold]

They fight twice

The end

[limpid summit]

Zor Phantasmal Bobbitt do you think Nuu is related to Unn

[muted lantern]

Lace would use the title of aunt explicitly to annoy hornet.

[pine scaffold]

Oh definitely

[marble oasis]

gargant glooms don’t stop but go …, gloomsacs don’t react at all

[marble oasis]

PROBABLY not

[edgy nebula]

probably not, i think it’s just a reference

[limpid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[edgy nebula]

there IS nuu having the hunter’s mark, are we sure if that’s a guild or did she get it from greenpath’s hunter

[marble oasis]

now is nuu a larval form of the hunter?

[muted lantern]

I imagine lace and hornets dynamic to be more like adoptive sisters tho. Others say lace would be hornets adopted daughter due to silksongs themes of motherhood but i don't see it.

[marble oasis]

that’s the question

[pine scaffold]

But they barely even interact

When do they act like sisters?

[lost frigate]

Hunter -> In greenpath -> Unn sees hunter, autistic fixation, -> Higherbeingrebirth.png -> Nuu, who is now obsessed with hunting

[limpid summit]

Maybe Unn is their kid

Sorry

[muted lantern]

Im talking post sister of the void ending, as in thats what their dynamic becomes after the game.

[limpid summit]

Nuu

Unn and Hunter

[pine scaffold]

That’s an assumption I’m pretty sure

[marble oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/tasty-black-man-eating-taste-good-food-eating-gif-12320856338546343010

[muted lantern]

thats why i said i imagine as i think thematically that makes the most sense. also hornet compares lace directly to thk, her sibling, and the rest of the vessels in lost laces journal entry.

[limpid summit]

I was waiting for him to nod

[lost frigate]

Yeah I see them as adoptive sisters afterwards, like I get the themes of motherhood but its directed at hornet not from her so it would be weird to change that at the end imo

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but I would also assume that hornet then returns to hollow nest while lace dies in like a day

[marble oasis]

don’t worry he likes it

[lost frigate]

hornet makes silk dude

[pine scaffold]

So?

Lace is already dying

[marble oasis]

this is also how i feel about trobbio x swift and shakra x thk

[pine scaffold]

What?

[edgy nebula]

realistically hornet would probably be able to keep lace alive

[pine scaffold]

On what basis?

[muted lantern]

The title screen post true ending implies hornet and lace leave pharloom toghether, presumably hornet can keep lace alive with silk.

[lost frigate]

lace has been constantly dying since the day she was born, so long as silk is fed into her she gets to live

[edgy nebula]

she can make infinite silk by leeching it from bugs

[pine scaffold]

So hornet could have saved phantom??

That bitch let my favorite character die

[edgy nebula]

well, phantom didnt want to be saved

[lost frigate]

They both die in the abyss clearly, and their weapons are memorials

[muted lantern]

Phantom was likely too far gone by that point.

[edgy nebula]

she wanted to die in combat

[marble oasis]

wdym

[lost frigate]

Phantom is dying dying

[limpid summit]

I don’t love the second one

[pine scaffold]

How do you feel about the ships?

[marble oasis]

good

[limpid summit]

THK deserves to rest in the void with the Bruzz

[pine scaffold]

I don’t care

Phantom is awesome

[muted lantern]

Also phantom being a failed prototype implies they were doomed anyway, its a long theory but some of laces needolin dialogue implies phantom was discarded because they fade even with gms's care.

[marble oasis]

THK deserves to experience love bro

[limpid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-point-laugh-not-on-the-team-who-tf-gif-12899318140028726588

[pine scaffold]

They deserve to be void

[muted lantern]

I love phantom, wish we got more of their lore.

[marble oasis]

They are void already

[limpid summit]

I like phantom

[pine scaffold]

I wish they talked at all

[marble oasis]

They can go back to the void any time

Let them have a lifetime away from their duty first

[pine scaffold]

Nope

[muted lantern]

we can hear them sing to hornet about what they want from her with needolin but yeah it sucks they don't get much dialogue.

[pine scaffold]

No free time

[pine scaffold]

I don’t think forcing someone to sing by taking control of their body is quite the same as talking with someone

Also I love the phantom of the opera thing

Like that whole design is so cool

[lost frigate]

They'll surely be expanded more in hollow knight: Zote Revengance - This Time Its Personal

[edgy nebula]

it’s a cool reference, but ive never watched phantom of the opera so any other reference besides the naming and obvious visual references will fly over my head

[pine scaffold]

Well she lives below the city

The phantom lives under his opera

She plays the organ like he does

She hold her mask like he does in some selections

[muted lantern]

Also guys heres a more difficult question. Is sherma a kid? Hornet never refers to him as child or young one, but she does call him little one, which she only otherwise uses to address broodling, which is definitely a child. It could easily be referring to size but shermas no smaller than pilby who hornet calls sir. Hornet also calls sherma "little sherma" which does feel like a term of endearment you would use for a kid. Personally im not fully convinced but i do see it as a possibility. The main counterargument is why is he put into a position of leadership if hes a kid. Idk honestly, don't think it really effects his character much either way. Thoughts?

[edgy nebula]

ooh i see, that’s quite nice

[pine scaffold]

Well keep in mind that he’s tracked across the desert lands where most die

[lost frigate]

He might not get respect cuz he's naive

[muted lantern]

Hornet does seem to respect him a good bit tho honestly. i doubt thats it.

[pine scaffold]

I think hornet refers to people more by their personality and way of viewing the world then actual age

[muted lantern]

Little one could just be a term of endearment.

[edgy nebula]

i wouldnt be surprised if he is but at the same time i think caretaker giving his role to a child would be a little outlandish

[marble oasis]

yeah he’s just idealistic

and he is a little guy