sk-lore

[frosty gate]

No but like

Of course

[low oracle]

I think she survived because the child isn't meant to kill. Greyroot already selected her carefully, so the parasite could reach a greater source if silk.
Functions very much like real parasites, as in, almost identical to real ones.

...

[frosty gate]

That cry upon you, sister! Those are the sour sobs of a grey and twisted thing.
Hornet: You speak of the bud? It is a mysterious thing indeed. In the dank swamps above the moor, I sought towards its plaintive wails, and found it resting there... Waiting, it almost seemed.
Hornet: But you speak of its form, without sighting it upon me. Is it a thing familiar to you?... Have you heard these cries before?
Aye, yes! Not your own specimen, surely, but way back, other travellers did sometimes carry similar. Odd types they all were. Offerings they'd call the crying things, and towards the core of Shellwood they would trek.
Never I did see one again, not the buds nor the bugs that brought the gift...
If you're planning to follow their path, I'll wish on your safety, but 'tis an ill omen to hear such sad sounds returned after so long.

I just read this

[frosty gate]

It is meant to kill

Look at the pavo line!

I didn't even know that

[edgy nebula]

i feel like greyroot does something similar to the nmh, except she feeds on bugs instead of nightmare essence

something very similar in hindsight

[rough ingot]

Yea

[tepid stirrup]

no but like i think all underworks workers kinda need a chropractor so they should just go to greyroot

[rough ingot]

Grey root’s whole back area has bugs that have turned into roots

[low oracle]

I think Greyroot was looking for a being, strong enough to sustain the parasite. An interesting thing is the way that the parasite drains ALL life, not just soul/silk. The area the bud is found in and the area Greyroot calls their home, they are both gray, drained of life.

[low oracle]

That process doesn't match the more obvious implication of a parasite though.

[tepid stirrup]

i love how the cursed child ending is just GMS being like "wth is ts man i just woke up"

[low oracle]

Also Hornet being surprised, like no shit something bad was gonna happen. All the other chapels you couldn't bind, but the Higher Being? Hmmmm...whatever could this mean?

[frosty gate]

I like the theory that Roots are parasitic and not really Higher Beings

[tepid stirrup]

yh and HOW IS THE PARASITE STRONG ENOUGHT TO HOLD GMS LIKE

[frosty gate]

They become higher beings by consume a Higher Being

[low oracle]

Please. Please not you to saying that Greyroot and White Lady are related.

[frosty gate]

White Lady is a root

[muted lantern]

It would be interesting if the reason white lady is a pale being is because she consumed a pale being as a parasite like what happens in cursed child. But idk if that's possible.

It would certainly add an interesting layer to her character

[frosty gate]

Could be, we don't know much of her anyway and she is a weird HB

[tepid stirrup]

well in cursed child the child isnt rlly livin anymore but just a whole connecion of roots over a whole kingdom

and like dried up like greyroot after u get infected

[low oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-slap-silk-song-hollow-knight-hornet-gif-7489419191160345295

[frosty gate]

HBs usually have a tribe or a following, WL does not.
Pale Beings have the need to "conquer" or whatever the line was, WL does not.

[frosty gate]

TC'S WORDS NOT MINE

[muted lantern]

Cursed child ends with that dried up root bundle hatching, presumably releasing something more powerful inside

[low oracle]

I think you got it wrong. In the Weaver queen ending, GMS explodes in Silk. That is just GMS's body. Twisted child is heard breaking out from it.

[tepid stirrup]

oh ok yeh i am not skilled enough to do it myself srry

[frosty gate]

I gotta rewatch the ending because i don't remember it

[low oracle]

THEY ARE NOT RELATED

[frosty gate]

SHE IS A ROOT

[crimson patio]

it’s like we are all related cuz we are humans

[frosty gate]

THAT'S ALL I SAID

[rough ingot]

White lady’s problem is her desire to spread seeds

[frosty gate]

I'm not saying they're sisters, I'm saying Roots are parasitic

[crimson patio]

Actually yea who ever said they are related

[cunning carbon]

People may wonder why the white lady looks like that. I think she just chose to. She's a pale being she could probably choose what she wanted to look like when she stopped being a wyrm.

The white lady looks like a tree root
Grand Mother Silk chose to have a massive dumpy
The pale king wanted to be a manlet

[crimson patio]

What the

I’ve not seen a single statement saying that

[rough ingot]

Pale king just reincarnated himself

[low oracle]

Basically Hornet and GMS both get grabby tentacles all over them. Instead of GMS exploding with massive amounts of silk, it is all turned to lifeless wood. All the soul is gathered inside this wood, concentrated into what has become the twisted child. The twisted child then brutally breaks its way out of the lifeless roots that have covered its form. In the credits, no music is played. Just eerie silence.

[crimson patio]

But white lady isn’t a wyrm…

[frosty gate]

Uuuh

[rough ingot]

What makes you think he wanted to be a midget?

[cunning carbon]

I thought she was a pale being

[rough ingot]

He just didn’t want to be a titan

[frosty gate]

We don't know if all PBs are Wyrms

[rough ingot]

She looks similar in gidhime

[rough ingot]

GMS certainly isn’t

[crimson patio]

I think he wants to look like a normal bug to integrate easier with the locals

[low oracle]

I haven't paid attention to this chat for a sec. What in the name of god is even going on with this community?

[cunning carbon]

Well if he didn't want to be a manlet then he overcorrected

[rough ingot]

I also do not believe the blackwyrm is pale

[crimson patio]

GMS certainly isn’t a wyrm..

[low oracle]

Who would have guessed...

[frosty gate]

Why do you think that? The name?

[rough ingot]

Pale Wyrm is the name of the Pale King’s wyrm form

Or i believe thats what it was called

[crimson patio]

I don’t know if the black wyrm is even real or if it’s just a title, a location, some random bullshit name people decide to come up with for the battle

[rough ingot]

I mean

[low oracle]

I've got a different question to ask.

[rough ingot]

There is the possibility that blackwyrm is either another kingdom or the colloseum of fools

Why is it got such a long tunnel?

[frosty gate]

So far, we only know PK is a Wyrm

[rough ingot]

And its roughly pale wyrm sized

[crimson patio]

Or maybe it’s a giant cave called the black wyrm cave and there isn’t actually a wyrm involved in the battle

We practically don’t know anything about it

[rough ingot]

Well volt vvyrm is to distinguish

[frosty gate]

The rest of the Pale Beings aren't Wyrms from what we know

[rough ingot]

Also i saw somewhere blackwyrm is connected to void but i personally dont believe that

Well, Sea of Sorrow when?

[crimson patio]

People saw black and think ah yes void being

[rough ingot]

The enemies in far fields

[crimson patio]

When bugs carapace is literally mainly black

[rough ingot]

Its the black body and white eyes i think

Cuz Sharpe is assumed to be a void being

Its also got no shell-like torso

[crimson patio]

Lace is a void being
Totally
Her face is black and her eyes wr white

[rough ingot]

Well

If you lost her?

😄

[frosty gate]

Say that again

[rough ingot]

I made that joke to not need spoiler tags it was for a reason

If you know you know

If you dont, you wont

Also anybody find there is a large difference between void constructs (kingsmoulds, collector, Sharpe?) and void beings (Shades, Shade Lord)?

Since void constructs do not appear to be able to come back after “dying” where the shades and such appear to be able to reform?

Or was this discussion over 6 years ago 🙁

[frosty gate]

The Construct are just liquid given an order

[rough ingot]

Collector..?

[frosty gate]

"To Protect"

That's the order

[rough ingot]

Yes

[frosty gate]

My love! My love! Protected at last!
A safe space, for you! And you! And you!
It must be saved!

[rough ingot]

And collector… received an imprint from a really strange bug, which also received an imprint. Death by void

[frosty gate]

Shades are also kinda that

[low oracle]

What were your favourite quote/s from each game?
Mine are:

"No cost too great"—The Pale King (of course it is this line)
"To witness secrets sealed, one must endure harshest punishment"—Path of Pain (accurate)
"Do not call me a traitor. Simply call me a fool"—Xero

"This is Pharloom. Safety is a myth"— The Green Prince [response to Hornet wishing him safe travels]
"Their shells are ours. Their souls are ours. Our hate is forever. "—Bilewater tablet written by the Stilkin

[low oracle]

Gollum dialogue.

[frosty gate]

I can't remember a single dialogue from HK if I'm not prompted to remember it by lore talk

[rough ingot]

But they learn… and also appear more like smoke

[frosty gate]

The shades? Yeah, but they don't have a personality

[rough ingot]

They never learned

They died at birth

[frosty gate]

They're just there because they can't follow their goal and can't rest

Once Radiance dies they all lose purpose and go to rest

[crimson patio]

“Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others make the same mistake”

Cuz I can headcanon this as Hornet thinking of the Vessels, of the King’s mistake, of even her own mistake

Beautiful quote

[rough ingot]

Yea

[low oracle]

Damn.

[rough ingot]

“Experience has taught me, even gods can fall”

Hornet talking to Lace

[low oracle]

So basically she is saying: "Be thankful for what you have bitch."
Also, I'm pretty sure that of all vessels, only the Hollow Knight might be still alive.

[low oracle]

Which goes along with: "Those who proclaim themselves as gods can rarely match the title."

[rough ingot]

Aren’t the vessels all technically dead

So Hollow is the only one who may still have their shell

[rough ingot]

So funny when going to godhome i think of this

[edgy nebula]

vengefly reference

[rough ingot]

Like flukemarm seriously?

And Soul Warrior is NOT a boss

[crimson patio]

I personally see it as her saying “Lace, you are life. My father/my siblings/I did not see them/themselves/them as life, and that was a mistake. Don’t repeat it like we did.”

[low oracle]

I speculate the Hollow Knight isn't, hence they could actually grow like a living being. They are special though, since they basically have anti-life inside of them instead of soul.

[rough ingot]

But they grow strangely

[crimson patio]

THK is a void reanimated corpse it’s hella dead
Like a zombie

[low oracle]

Team Cherry making the difference between higher beings and gods clear, only to realize that Hornet has no idea what the fuck godhome even is.

[rough ingot]

She knows when she’s in a dream

“Do i haunt your dreams, or you mine”

[low oracle]

Well yes, but actually no.

[rough ingot]

Yea

Also dont pale beings naturally generate soul

My evidence being kingsoul and GMS regenerating silk with her soul

[low oracle]

"My father", Hornet is the number 1. Pale King hater.

[rough ingot]

Or THK?

And the vessels also probably too

And the knight also might hate them

[crimson patio]

Doesn’t mean he’s not her father
And like
I think her relationship with him is more complicated than just pure hatred, but I’m not gonna get into that

[low oracle]

GMS is the source of all silk, White Lady seemingly just generates the Kingsoul from nothing and the Pale King just does whatever the fuck he wants. They pretty much definitely can use unlimited soul.

[rough ingot]

All of Pale king and GMS’s “kids” hate them

[crimson patio]

Lol if anything THK is the biggest Pale King defender

[rough ingot]

Silk is spun from the soul

[rough ingot]

Even though they got absolutely crippled due to them?

[crimson patio]

It just seems like the type to forgive him of everything

[rough ingot]

Could be

[low oracle]

Exactly. And GMS explodes in a lot of silk upon being bound. Not even due to death. Just because she was bound, the entire citadel is already covered in silk.

[rough ingot]

Have you beaten act 3?

[crimson patio]

Understands its duty as a knight, understands his struggle and why he had to do what he did

But hey we don’t know either way so

[rough ingot]

But there WAS another way

[crimson patio]

That’s just what I think

[rough ingot]

The pale king was messing with more than one force he didn’t know well

[low oracle]

Not one the Pale King knew of. The dreamnail was never shown to him, which is kinda shit to do from the moths. If you cause your HB to be angry, AT LEAST give the Pale King (who didn't do anything in the first place) the weapon that can stop it.

[rough ingot]

The vessel experiment would’ve worked better if they just had a newborn vessel, who has no imprint or will or anything to contain the radiance

Since the first ending, may be feasible, the knight completes its duty

[crimson patio]

But then if anyone were to break into the temple to kill it how is it to defend itself

[low oracle]

He knew void and Lifeblood quite well. He had explicit reprocussions against both of them too. He is the best definition of a good ruler. One who is willing to do anything for his people.

[rough ingot]

Dream no more is when the knight transcends its original purpose

ETV is an extreme version of that

[rough ingot]

He sort of knew void

[crimson patio]

PK did not know enough about void as he should have

His plan wouldnt have failed if he knew its nature entirely

[rough ingot]

And also how bad is his foresight

Pale king needs the snare setter

Void can enter dreams, which he doesnt know

Enters both godhome and radiances dream and white palace

[low oracle]

He didn't know of void focus, which was basically invented by the Knight. And for anyone saying he could have left any impure vessel live, fuck no! How the hell do you deal with a million powerful beings, all of which have the potency to be infected.

[low oracle]

*Dream Realms

[rough ingot]

But if he dumped THK in abyss

It was possible the void could have leaked into the radiances dream, and when void discovers soul/esscence like that it all follows

[rough ingot]

Mb

[low oracle]

Foresight shows you the result in a vague way.

[rough ingot]

He may have known of his failure

[low oracle]

So basically, he should just start the war crimes right away.

[rough ingot]

But seriously why not dump THK in the void sea

[crimson patio]

He didn’t anticipate that void has the capability to become impure (ie. tarnishable by an idea)

He literally didn’t consider that possibility cuz he think void is entirely pure by his definition of “no mind to think, no will to break, no voice to cry suffering”

[rough ingot]

After focusing the infection

[crimson patio]

Cuz then THK would die and the radiance free once more cuz she’s in a dream

[rough ingot]

Appears to be the same thought within the bugs of the ancient city

[rough ingot]

THK could die, but could let the void into the radiance’s realm and do DNM without the lord of shades orchestrating it

[crimson patio]

You know the dream isn’t just a physical space in THK’s head right.. the void cannot just enter there when you dump it into the void sea

[rough ingot]

Yes the pale king was missing the lord of shades factor

[low oracle]

He did. That is why he tried putting the Kingdom into a stasis, which would effectively prevent whatever thing, since now it can't come. The Hollow Knight however had desires of saving everything and protecting the Kingdom it came to love, ultimately causing its doom.

[rough ingot]

Yes i know, but void can enter dream realms through tangible anchor points. Look at the kingsmould by white palace

That’s more void than it should have

[crimson patio]

Did white palace have trace of void in it?

[rough ingot]

Yes

In the throne room

[crimson patio]

Why is it only the throne room

[rough ingot]

The balls of stuff shrink and grow, its not fading

[rough ingot]

Possibly drawn to the pale king?

Also if the pale king reincarnates every time it dies, void ended its cycle

[low oracle]

Exactly, it's an entirely separate realm, the Knight can only enter with an extremely powerful artefact. And only because Hornet cracks open the Hollow Knight's shell.

[rough ingot]

Well sure my argument has a few holes in it

Maybe PK should have picked a fight with GMS instead?

[crimson patio]

Also I’m entertaining this but I don’t think PK died from void lol…

[rough ingot]

It seems plausible

The throne room is dark

[low oracle]

I think the void absorbs all HB it encounters. Just a personal headcannon of mine, since it would make sense with the godhome sequence and godseeker mode. Everyone in godhome loves it, sucks for the godseeker in the physical realm though.

[rough ingot]

Yea…

Also the shade lord could probably just separate into individual shades after leaving godhome

Since there is no way in hallownest that thing can crawl out of junk pit

Without shifting into smoke

Also I like to think the flower quest ending either locks the shade lord in godhome or brings it to rest in the abyss

[low oracle]

My theory is that he isn't dead when we encounter him. What did he die from? Nothing! It's that simple. There are no marks, no traces of harm done to him.
Until the Knight enters the room. WIth three slashes of the nail, the Pale King's mask breaks, signifying death. He was basically already doomed, as he was too weak to do anything with the few followers he had. But nevertheless, he was still alive.

[rough ingot]

Void doesnt visibly show signs of death

[crimson patio]

It just cuts off Godseeker as an exit
The void can just go out elsewhere

[rough ingot]

Where? It needs a physical point to exit

It just shows liquid leaking from the eyes

[crimson patio]

If the void didnt need a physical point to enter Godhome why would it need one to escape Godhome..

[rough ingot]

Which is why ppl thought no eyes died due to void until

[rough ingot]

Well, we dont know that]

We do know black egg floods with void in DNM

And entered WP through kinsmoult

[crimson patio]

I just personally think that anywhere with traces of void/shades, it’s possible for void to appear there

[low oracle]

It does actually. Void tendrils, void seeping eyes, voided, etc.

[rough ingot]

Could be

I messed up

We all arent pure

We arent perfect!

[low oracle]

Black balls isn't always void either. What is your point? Often enough, the eye thing implies it very clearly.

[rough ingot]

Aren’t the shades tuned as vessels in godhome (P4 cutscene)

[rough ingot]

Actually, the dust particles fade in and out of existence. Void particles shrink and grow in and out of existence

There was a debunk somewhere

They’re different kinds of black balls

[crimson patio]

P4 cutscene is very ambiguous

I saw it as a weird limbo where the shades can all gather together

But we cannot tell exactly what that is, or if it’s physical or mental, or if it’s real

[low oracle]

I know, that isn't the point though. The point is, crying, rusting and voided eyes look identical. Last Judge has these eyes, and it is obviously rust. But Pale King has NOTHING. Unless another character died from void doing nothing, it isn't plausible.

[rough ingot]

It definetly shows the radiance responding

[rough ingot]

Could be a hole but Alr

[low oracle]

P4 Seems to hint at the union of the void. I'm kinda sad though that the coolest looking vessel wasn't included.

[rough ingot]

As for the rest of the cutscene, why the vessels are vessels. Could be since godseeker doesn’t recognize void as a power source until the Shade Lord proves them very wrong

[rough ingot]

Who?

[crimson patio]

Was it not? PV was there

As a baby, sure but still

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-gregory-house-meme-loonatique-caricature-gif-5249887812615402321

[rough ingot]

Some ppl like greenpath vessel

And nosks victims

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harrington-stranger-things-steve-steve-harrington-hand-hand-on-head-gif-11593158090835654468

[low oracle]

Lost Kin. I would have loved to see the shade, as it clearly was separated from its shell.

[crimson patio]

Hm

[rough ingot]

Same

[low oracle]

STOP THIS UGLY FUCKING GIF

[rough ingot]

Nah id win this isn’t the memes channel

This is important lore discussion

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harrington-stranger-things-steve-steve-harrington-hand-hand-on-head-gif-11593158090835654468

Alr alr

Mb

[rough ingot]

We might as well drown it out

[low oracle]

This is how he'll deal with the mods

[rough ingot]

So back to the P4 thing

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-internetpoop-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-17247949415495645106

The p4 cutscene

Is simply a cutscene

It doesn't have lore implicications

[crimson patio]

I see it as a mental void conference that radiance intruded on

[swift needle]

It js hi ts us

To p5

With the radiance roar

Yo my keyboard acting up

Wth

[rough ingot]

IT DOES

Also I gotta go

[limpid summit]

The p4 cutscene isn’t noncanon

[low oracle]

I think the vessels are looking at the two prodigies, awaiting their call to join the void heart. The third prodigy was sadly left out. Lost Kin my beloved, who had been given a nail, and who learned several abilities. Why does Team Cherry just not acknowledge them?
The Radiance than makes her presence clear, signaling that she has taken up to attune with the godseekers.

[limpid summit]

But who knows what it is

[rough ingot]

Lost kin is in pantheons chill

[swift needle]

Zero evidence vtw

Btw

[low oracle]

That's just the empty shell being piloted by the Radiance. I want to see the shade, with the white crack at the head. Like the shade of the Hollow Knight, shich also got damaged from direct contact to the Radiance.

[rough ingot]

Yea

[rough ingot]

Dude

Nah I’d win is such a killjoy

[low oracle]

We should get this sequence in some dlc.

[rough ingot]

I cannot see it

Oh

That

Haha

Shade lord can’t not be a Jumpscare…

[low oracle]

How canonically accurate would this be to Pale King's physical strength? (Judgement upon thee.)

[craggy smelt]

I think that...
we'll see THK but as a vessel
it'll turn out that Godhome was the canon ending

[rough ingot]

I feel like not many higher beings have good combat abilities

[low oracle]

Pretty sure Team Cherry tried keeping at least two endings to flow into the Act3 Silksong timeline.

[rough ingot]

You see GMS in combat

Utter garbage

[craggy smelt]

it's ambiguous now, but I think we'll get it confirmed

[low oracle]

Pale King just made piece with everyone he could, you don't know. Apart from that, he does have the ability to just rampage in wyrm form. Like tf do you even do?

[rough ingot]

I don’t want it confirmed

[craggy smelt]

life, alas, is sometimes cruel

[rough ingot]

Like the radiance throws swords and stuff

GMS uses her hands once

[low oracle]

Also, in case you didn't know. A single chorus could easily destroy an unorganized average army.

[rough ingot]

Good luck getting the 40+
Souls in there organized

It’s probably called a chorus cus there are so many souls in it

Look at the silk flies when you kill it

[low oracle]

Easy. How do you think an actual chorus works together? You have a conductor. Also, pretty sure that the chorus works together, as they speak as one entity of many.

[rough ingot]

Like the shade lord?

The void being without unity

And with the knight

It can unify

[rough ingot]

Well, kill the conductor, the pale king isn’t stupid

[low oracle]

Team Cherry has to give us a prime chorus fight, where all arms are utilized at the same time. There are
-horizontal and horizontal
-horizontal and vertical
-vertical and vertical
-All four at once horizontal

[rough ingot]

Yea, organized chorus

As opposed to let down

With the collector’s level of coordination

[low oracle]

The Pale King would just snipe a pale dagger in it's face (PV attack). He can also fly so good luck to the chorus keeping up with that.

[rough ingot]

Yes

And also pure vessel also soloes like 90% of Pharloom

And not to mention the tribes like the skarrr and stillkin would love to defect to pale king

[low oracle]

The 10% are hallways.

[rough ingot]

To get GMS OUT

[rough ingot]

Shade lord can’t solo Pharloom since it’s too dam big

[exotic kayak]

how did people know about lace even before silksong got released

i keep seeing vids about her dating back to 2021

[rough ingot]

I assume it cannot burrow like a wyrm

[rough ingot]

Wrong chat but uhh the demo

[exotic kayak]

wait what

[low oracle]

It can compress itself apparently, and it could probably suckitself back into its shell too. Like the way that Lost Kin's shell stores tons of infection.

[exotic kayak]

there was a demo?

[sinful nimbus]

At certain game events in 2019-2020

[low oracle]

Gamescom or something like that.

[sinful nimbus]

Also in 2025

[rough ingot]

It could also just separate into the individual shades and have the most unorganized but deadly army

[sinful nimbus]

There were also blogposts on Team Cherry's website talking bout Lace n stuff

[rough ingot]

Also not a lore question

[low oracle]

The stillkin would probably start a new void religion if that happened and the citadel was destroyed.

[rough ingot]

Lol

Groal now decides to use shade soul

[exotic kayak]

i thought she was somewhere in some early lore released before the game came out lol

[rough ingot]

No sadly

[low oracle]

Biology of Lace (explained).

[rough ingot]

Haha

[rough ingot]

Groal and shade soul now :/

Voided savage beast fly

The community would cry

[low oracle]

That's actually possible in the vanilla game, since you can fight the Savage Beastfly2 in Act3.

[rough ingot]

Oh no

[low oracle]

This image is what the fight feels like.

[rough ingot]

Yes

[kindred ingot]

s... swallowing? what does that mean?

[sinful nimbus]

he ate them

[muted lantern]

Maybe they fed them to bell beast

[kindred ingot]

who's he?

[muted lantern]

They sent the penitent to groal the great. Uber eats.

[sinful nimbus]

Broodmother is a possible candidate since broodling mentions the flies bringing food to her

Alternatively the prisoners are forced to swallow something but that's not as cool

[kindred ingot]

so, if you get sick, you get swallowed by Broodmother

okay that might actually be true

no yeah it's 100% true

[muted lantern]

Yeah bug cannibalism wouldnt surprise me

[kindred ingot]

they're different species, so it's not technically cannibalism

[muted lantern]

I was talking about the empty fly helmets you posted, those hats are only from the fly jailors so i assumed you were implying the broodmother ate the other flies.

[kindred ingot]

oh

yeah that'd happen too

also now that I'm reading the journal entries, Hornet really hates flies

like, a lot

[muted lantern]

Yeah shes very racist its odd

I assume it was meant as a joke or her just venting about being kidnapped and robbed, since her behavior to broodling doesnt really match the journal entries. But it comes off as a bit in bad taste.

[kindred ingot]

"Foul creatures birthed into servitude. Their plight elicits no sympathy from me" girl you had a whole monologue about how we don't choose our mothers one game ago

"I strongly doubt they have ever thought to bathe" THEY'RE SLAVES, THEY CAN'T

[spark valve]

And about having only sympathy for the vessels

The freshfly entry I think it is is particularly tone deaf

“The less these gruesome bugs breed the better”

[kindred ingot]

she has more sympathy for the children of a royal than for a slave

[kindred ingot]

THEY'RE JUST BABIES

Hornet is racist

I can't believe it

[muted lantern]

Idk what the point of these lines even was, because if they seriously wanted to characterize hornet this way why do they seem to have her 180 with broodling.

Is it just for a joke? Seems a little tone deaf

[kindred ingot]

maybe because Broodling is just a kid

[muted lantern]

So are the other baby slabflies

[kindred ingot]

and she's not an asshole, so she's not gonna be racist in front of a kid

[kindred ingot]

yeah but she's not saying it to the flies

[limpid summit]

I actually have no idea

Why did they make the spider fly bit so malicious

Jack vine got some demons

[muted lantern]

Also is hornet just generally bigoted against things that smell bad?

[limpid summit]

Probably not

Karmelita probably smells like ass

[muted lantern]

We know she has a heightened sense of smell. I wonder if she hated ogrim.

[limpid summit]

She’s huge and dying

[cunning carbon]

I wonder how the citadel accepted new members. They burned the bodies of those who died from their silk experiments but I doubt they would experiment on those of a lower caste than the citadel choir, so when a member or two eventually died from their surgeries, who filled their place?

Did they nab the underworks workers who’ve been there the longest and elevated them like: “you finally elevated above your sins” or was the role given to fresher pilgrims because they don’t want any dusty old slave to be in the choir

[muted lantern]

We know the sentinels used to collect people to force new people to the citadel

And new pilgrims always were arriving

[kindred ingot]

people have children

also, the pilgrims

[cunning carbon]

Yeah but the new pilgrims aren’t sent to the choir, the elevator goes down to the underworks where they are used for slave labor

[limpid summit]

They might have elevated people, or just arbitrarily replaced different roles with whoever came along

[muted lantern]

I don't think all of them probably, we see some pilgrims in the choir. I imagine it's based on something arbitrary.

[kindred ingot]

we don't see any prilgrims in the Underworks, but we see a lot of pilgrims in the choir

[muted lantern]

We do actually see pilgrims there. It's just harder to tell because of outfits.

[cunning carbon]

Was about to say that, we’re so in sync

[muted lantern]

The under sweep is clearly a pilgrim guide

Or whatever he's called

[kindred ingot]

the Underworks only has Underworkers and cogworkers (and Loam for some reason)

[muted lantern]

The one with the big brush

[kindred ingot]

really? I completely missed it

[cunning carbon]

And the one with the long brush is the dude who carry’s the big bell on a stick

[kindred ingot]

well, in any case, there are pilgrims in the choir

and people have children

[muted lantern]

Compare the underworkers with the steel brushes to the pilgrim enemies.

[muted lantern]

That's who I mean

[limpid summit]

I think there are probably choir members/underworker members of each “species” of pilgrim

[cunning carbon]

Oh I thought you were talking about the short guy with the scrub

[limpid summit]

They just have classic video game enemy limitations

[muted lantern]

Him too

[kindred ingot]

considering we never see an Underworker in the choir (or an Underworker corpse in the Citadel, for that matter), I think they were just lying to Loam and the others

[muted lantern]

A good portion of underworkers are different species from other pilgrims, I imagine they were some of those kidnapped by sentinels

[muted lantern]

Reeds could be the same species as underworkers.

I think

[kindred ingot]

they don't look similar at all

Reeds have a thinner body

and a different shaped head

Underworkers are Underworkers, Reeds are Reeds

[muted lantern]

Not entirely dissimilar imo, but probably not on closer inspection. I mostly just remembered tall winged bug. Though that does make me wonder why we don't see any pilgrims that look like reeds

[kindred ingot]

I think Reeds are not pilgrims

they're native to the Citadel

[muted lantern]

Grand reeds description iirc kind of implies they are a specific caste of warriors so you could be right

I wonder if pilgrims are considered a lower species than the others by the citadel. since we know they are descendants of the citadel, maybe their caste is forced send their young/eggs away to pharlooms edge and do their own pilgrimage while the main species that rules the citadel don't have to?

Could be a sort of caste system

[kindred ingot]

maybe they were exiled from the Citadel a long time ago and came back one by one
I mean, forcing pilgrims to send their children away from the Citadel so they can come back sounds like a waste of time, especially when having a lot of bugs in the choir is such an important thing

[muted lantern]

I think the needless suffering is purposeful, to prove unfaltering loyalty to the faith.

[kindred ingot]

yeah, that makes sense

[muted lantern]

To have workers that won't question the society

[kindred ingot]

I would argue otherwise, but maybe you're right

nah you're totally right

but maybe they don't do it to children

I mean, children are too young to understand faith and stuff (and they'd die in the wild)

maybe they send the pilgrims away when they reach maturity and are old enough to make their own decisions and not die horribly to a Mossgrub

[muted lantern]

I think they do it with eggs, i don't think the pilgrims have truly seen the citadel, wouldnt make sense imo. i imagine the eggs are left with some pilgrim elders that stayed behind or smthn.

I imagine theres settlments on the borders where pilgrims are raised in the faith

[kindred ingot]

so, they get the eggs, put them as far away from the Citadel as possible, and expect them to come back later because some elders who were left behind told them to?

[muted lantern]

Well we know they are raised and someone was there to indoctornate them into the faith. And the way they talk about the citadel implies they have not seen it.

There might be some citadel officials that live there to raise them

[kindred ingot]

they really did brainwash everyone into loving the Citadel, huh?

but like, wouldn't it be way easier if they just... told the truth?
like, "yeah, you gotta be part of the choir for the rest of your life. Why? Because if you don't, the monarch awakens and we all die a horrible death. Got it? Great, now go work like your life depended on it, because it does"

[muted lantern]

Because being the jailors for an angry god is fucking terrifying.

Its much easier to give them delusions of a paradise reward for slaving away

[kindred ingot]

yeah but it sure is a motivator

[muted lantern]

It would also make them question their leaders

"why are we enlsaving an elder god to harvest her silk just to make you guys able to live forever"

[kindred ingot]

"cuz if you don't, we (yes, WE) all die horribly"

":D"

[kindred ingot]

but fr, that is a good point

[potent timber]

Are snail shamans actually dead or part of hornet (kinda like binding)

[muted lantern]

we didn't bind them so i imagine dead. They likely used up all the soul in their bodies to complete the spell, as we used up their reserve soul for the snare.

[potent timber]

How do they even have reserve soul?

[muted lantern]

They are powerful soul casters i assume they can produce more than an average bug. The soul masters had to disect one of the shamans to mimic their power. The shamans seem to have a lot of control over soul. So i imagine they have some innate power to produce more soul than they need.

Soul masters and groals bodies contort with soul consumption to be able to do moves the shamans can do naturally

So i imagine their species has a connection to soul probably something to do with the "spiral focus" Maybe their shells are like a soul battery that focuses soul or smth, idk im spitballing on this.

Pale beings seem to be able to collect soul from other creatures, or just have massive reserves of it. I wonder what the difference is with the shamans. Maybe they also infuse soul into their bodies? we know they do sacrifices, maybe they are just better at it than soul master? who knows

The soul we get from the shamans for silk and soul seems to be their own, which is why i assume they just produce more of it or smthn

Maybe due to their cultures connection to burial mounds and tending to the dead?

maybe they draw ambient soul fro mthe environment. who knows for sure. I just think they have some ability to produce more than the average bug.

[quiet flare]

I like your theory of Shamans acquiring soul from the ambient, like they spend their day naturally getting soul from different graves, so that's why they tend to be caretakers, Like how the chapel maid takes care of the moss chapel and caretaker being literally one

They probably train their soul abilities there

[muted lantern]

Yeah im pretty sure we can actually see ambient soul in some regions. Resting grounds maybe? im not sure. I remember one region having soul particles floating away, might have been ancestral mound.

[unborn nova]

But what about bell hermit?

[edgy nebula]

bell hermit is just the greatest

his methods arent to be questioned

[quiet flare]

Maybe he takes soul from the bells around? Tough the dude seems to be very distant from the shaman thing y'know? Since he's a hermit and stuff

Only because the world started to end he decided to take actions

[muted lantern]

A lot of people died in bellhart after it's cursing, pavo says most didnt survive when hornet cut the town free. Also who knows how many workers died in constructing the tunnels through the bells.

theres probably a lot of bodies buried in cave ins

we know those caves are unstable.

[edgy nebula]

it’s likely every shaman took soul from surrounding silk aswell

[mighty zenith]

Hornet doesn’t contort when using the shaman’s crest so I’m not sure abt that

[mighty zenith]

Silk is a unique state of soul so it can be that

[gentle aspen]

why would she contort from that

[mighty zenith]

Bc of the shaman power and magic

[gentle aspen]

her dad is a god

a god who was extremely proficient using soul

[mighty zenith]

Right

[pine scaffold]

A being who dresses in red uses a drill attack scuttles like a spider and uses fire magic

I have a crazy theory y’all just aren’t ready for

Pale king and Grimm had a secret gay relationship

That’s why hornet uses so many moves like Grimm

[dense ridge]

Ok

[pine scaffold]

Did you really feel the need to respond with nothing?

[dense ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1453191584827838524/1453198242631258163/G1AuSXTWsAAcxDA.gif

[pine scaffold]

||** **||

[cunning carbon]

I’m really curious what a post haunting/void pharloom would look like. 90% of those inflicted would drop dead due to being animated corpses, but would the fauna die? I think that, regardless, the fauna of pharloom will breed out of control because… well… the only permanent resident Hunter left will be Reed…
The people of bellheart will be eating good

[craggy smelt]

actually, there's no sign of Reed in Act 3...

[cunning carbon]

He was initially going to be sitting next to the bench in act 3 but he was cut… I think because Pondcatcher Reed is going to be in sea of sorrows.

[craggy smelt]

intriguing...

[cunning carbon]

I mean… he’s the only water guy around

[craggy smelt]

I think we'll probably get new water guys

more ocean-y ones

[cunning carbon]

“Hey hornet, I know the worlds ending but do you want to go kayaking with me?”

[craggy smelt]

I do wonder when the content will take place

act 2 or 3, or a non-specific time

or even post act 3 - though I think that's unlikely, at least for this DLC

[cunning carbon]

Here’s hoping epilogue. I feel like crap doing anything in act 3 because Shakra is the only protector of bellheart and I want to give her rest

[atomic widget]

Adding Dlc to this game will definitely prove to be a bigger challenge than the orginal game. Now the content has to fit across all the acts or otherwise the majority of players would be locked out of it

[cunning carbon]

We said the same for Hollow knight and those fit in rather well

[atomic widget]

"Eh, plenty of fish in the sea"

[craggy smelt]

if it involved Zylotol's master as most think it will, then it seems like it has to be Act 3 stuff
you'll need to see Zylotol's story through to the end

but it would also be cool if you found his master and talked to him about her before he goes all crazy...

[cunning carbon]

Zylotol sounds like a pharmaceutical drug name

[craggy smelt]

I think someone worked out that it was that + axlotol

[cunning carbon]

“Having trouble keeping it up in bed? Try Zylotol”

It does make me wonder how lifeblood works naturally. We know what happens when you shove it into the fauna, but besides consumption, does it feed other ways? Will it eat corpses if you pour a glob of it into a corpse pile?

[lost frigate]

I mean it reanimates zango

[cunning carbon]

Yes but he consumed it and was affected while alive. I’m wondering if it needs the host to be alive to initially take hold

[lost frigate]

true i suppose

seems inconsistant since joni stays dead

[limpid summit]

Well I mean Zango did die

[lost frigate]

maybe she was just chilling and ghost mugged her while she was asleep

[pine scaffold]

So does the lifeblood not affect the knight because he’s dead?

[limpid summit]

Like he was not alive anymore before lifeblood overtook him

[cunning carbon]

To theorize this I’m dumping a load of lifeblood into the whitewards morgue. Nothing could go wrong

[lost frigate]

i presume cuz they're 100% higher being

[limpid summit]

Void creatures can’t normally get infected

[cunning carbon]

No it’s because he’s void

[pine scaffold]

That’s such a good idea

[lost frigate]

meanwhile hornet is just mostly

[limpid summit]

Probably applies to afflictions like lifeblood as well

[pine scaffold]

That’s what I meant

[cunning carbon]

She’s half pale. Demigod

[lost frigate]

like 3/4ths tops if you count weavers as halfsies

but the knight is all pale, with delicious void filling

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but counter point hornet is just built different

Literally

[cunning carbon]

I don’t. The weavers have talent but they are uplifted much like any bug.

[pine scaffold]

They were uplifted in a way very different then most bugs

[cunning carbon]

True, but it’s hard to tell. We can’t really ask GMS what she did differently

[pine scaffold]

But she did definitely do something different

[lost frigate]

I wonder if the soul master would eventually be comparable to weavers if hallownest never fell, but with soul instead of silk

[pine scaffold]

I think they were made more like the moth tribe then just being ascended

[lost frigate]

or i guess the whole soul sanctum

[cunning carbon]

Went from using 1/100th of her power to uplift to 1/50th of her power

[pine scaffold]

Because they just like the moth tribe have an innate ability to use their “parents” brand of magic

[cunning carbon]

Pale beings have really bad luck when they uplift beings with the intention to give them a crumb of their power

[pine scaffold]

Higher beings as a whole not just pale beings

Look at radiance

[lost frigate]

seems to be working out for the nightmare heart

[pine scaffold]

The moth tribe just completely abandoned her

She was abandoned so badly she just died

Absolute bozo

[cunning carbon]

GMS: “Its fiiiiine. A weavers power is only one one thousandth of my own.”
(The two thousand weavers doing the math): “… hang on.”

[pine scaffold]

I do wonder exactly how powerful gms is

She was able to fight off the void

[lost frigate]

for a bit, sure

[pine scaffold]

Even after being attacked and her arm being ripped off

[pine scaffold]

That’s more than most beings

She certainly wouldn’t last long

But surviving even for a moment is an incredible amount of power

[lost frigate]

i mean yeah but idk the pale king camped out in the abyss for a while so it doesn't seem that crazy for a pale being

[cunning carbon]

It would be wrong to say she’s weak because of the experience from her bossfight. We woke her up from a millennium long sleep and jumped her. In her dream her strands reached out, possessed bugs and drove them to act for her will.

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but he wasn’t being attacked by the void and being dragged into its sea

[pine scaffold]

Yeah I feel like she probably knew the fight was coming

[lost frigate]

she seems to be more sophisticated than the other gods when it comes to controlling lesser bugs

radiance and life blood make shambling bugs and pk just granted a general malaise of intelligence without any direct control

[pine scaffold]

Yeah she definitely is more akin to a spider and it’s careful web then a wyrm and its brute force

[pine scaffold]

I mean to be fair to radiance she wasn’t trying to make them ascended beings

She wanted them to be animals

[lost frigate]

i meant more the common bug with silk vs the common bug with radiance goop

[pine scaffold]

Yeah she definitely didn’t have as complex of a hivemind

She being the radiance

[lost frigate]

would be funny if the void is just another god who went with the goop strategy but just made 10 trillion times the goop

[pine scaffold]

And made some smoke just in case

[lost frigate]

whats the point of goop without smoke

even the radiance has orange smoke in some places

[pine scaffold]

Ooh good point

[lost frigate]

when i see the lifeblood smoke i'll know things are getting real

[pine scaffold]

So we know that gods who like goop also like smoke

[tulip lotus]

Hornet is not v1rgin

[pine scaffold]

I mean maybe

She mentions taking mates and such

[tulip lotus]

Yes

In the Great Conchly description

[pine scaffold]

But they didn’t live as long as her

[tulip lotus]

BUT

In the spanish version of it

She says "aparearse" that means both pairing or reproducting

[pine scaffold]

Interesting

It could be a mistranslation

[lost frigate]

hornet is a virgin (in spain)

[pine scaffold]

Only the Spanish version of hornet has done it

[tulip lotus]

mistranslation or not is in the game

[tulip lotus]

Maybe in other idioms too

[pine scaffold]

Nah I find it funnier to image only the Spanish version

But I wonder if she has children

[tulip lotus]

~Ohh si papi... SHAW!

[tulip lotus]

Don't think so

[pine scaffold]

Also I wonder how far after the original game it is

I find it hard to image that she had time to find a mate during the radiance

[lost frigate]

i lowkey thought it was a prequel until the very end lol

[pine scaffold]

Perhaps before the fall of hollow nest

[pine scaffold]

I figured it had to take place after

[tulip lotus]

Kinda true

Maybe she met Zote at some point

[lost frigate]

well she has the tools in her hollow knight boss battles so i figured she had to go to pharloom first to learn how to make them

[pine scaffold]

So @lost frigate do you think it’s more likely she took a mate before the fall of hollow nest or after radiance was sealed?

[tulip lotus]

Wait...

[pine scaffold]

No

Just no

[cunning carbon]

Is second sentinel AI?

[pine scaffold]

Yes

[tulip lotus]

No

They have a heart

Not like grok for example

or chatgpt

[cunning carbon]

I can’t believe Hornet welcomes AI

[pine scaffold]

It’s an intelligent from an artificial source

[lost frigate]

she's been alive for basically forever, who's to say she doesn't do it every hundred years for the lols

[cunning carbon]

Hornet Silksong is the number one user of generative art ai

[pine scaffold]

She doesn’t seem like the type to do anything for the lols

[lost frigate]

she participates in flea games when the world ends

[pine scaffold]

Like even in her flashbacks to when she was a small child everyone was an asshole to her

[tulip lotus]

SHE PAIRED WITH THE HIVE KNIGHT

[pine scaffold]

Making her know that everything wants her dead

[cunning carbon]

For training. And a prize

[pine scaffold]

That’s actually a pretty good theory

[tulip lotus]

But he had mommy issues

[pine scaffold]

Oh wait no

[lost frigate]

if seth's medalion is canon she most certainly didn't do it just for training lol

[pine scaffold]

Because her mate died

[lost frigate]

unless the canon version is she just absolutely trounces it first try

[pine scaffold]

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised

[lost frigate]

but at that point why would she need the training :0

it would be for the lols

[cunning carbon]

Hornet looking at Hive Knight: “Well this stinks…. Oooooough”

[pine scaffold]

Cannon wise she beats every boss first try

That’s an insane amount of skill

[tulip lotus]

A BEETLE JUST GOT INTO MY ROOM

IM IN A BOSS FIGHT

[pine scaffold]

He heard you’ve been talking shit

[pine scaffold]

Quick nail bounce it

[lost frigate]

ye i assume steel soul is just the canon version of both games

[pine scaffold]

Yeah I feel like their would be some mention of hornet being immortal otherwise

[cunning carbon]

It’s the hollow knight

[pine scaffold]

I think jos3 died

[lost frigate]

i did read a theory that hornet has the foresight of wyrms so when she rests at benches she sees how she dies if she fucks up

[pine scaffold]

Yeah he’s dead

[lost frigate]

so like your deaths would be hallucinations while napping on the benches or whatever

[cunning carbon]

Damn, and there were 3 jos’

[pine scaffold]

Zote got him

[cunning carbon]

Powerful beetle

[pine scaffold]

That’s a cool idea

Would fit for the knight as well

Probably not true tho

Because I feel like there’d be some other mention of foresight somewheres

[cunning carbon]

Hornets foresite ability is your first playthrough and the canon run is your steel soul playthrough

[tulip lotus]

This guy wasn't able to fight against my 3 dollar mincecraft sword

[lost frigate]

now the radiance will win

you fool, you've doomed us all

[pine scaffold]

Oh god

The sun

[tulip lotus]

Nvm it's still alive

[pine scaffold]

Here comes the sun

[pine scaffold]

He revived

[tulip lotus]

He just gave me a piece of mask

[lost frigate]

see, foresight, its confirmed

[tulip lotus]

Wtf

[pine scaffold]

Hey dude I’d give him an offering if I were you

Yiu have any pale ore?

I know they like that

[tulip lotus]

Nope 😞

[cunning carbon]

But the question come out

Do hornet silksong is void?

[pine scaffold]

Oh dang

[pine scaffold]

Looks like it

Her death cocoon has a void hornet inside

At least it looks like it

[pine scaffold]

Any lore?

[tulip lotus]

She would be able to cast spells

[pine scaffold]

Not necessarily

The knight had to learn them

Maybe she just didnt learn them

[tulip lotus]

He gave me the mask and leaved

[pine scaffold]

Oh damn

You’re lucky

[lost frigate]

i figure she doesn't cast spells bc silk is more restrictive than soul

[tulip lotus]

When she dies it doesn't show the void particles

[lost frigate]

like easier to work with but less malleable

[pine scaffold]

Ok but whats in her cocoon

[cunning carbon]

The saddest bit of lore is learning that hornet has anorexic

[pine scaffold]

I need to know

[tulip lotus]

She?

[pine scaffold]

What?

[tulip lotus]

Like the crystal thing

Idk how to explain it

[pine scaffold]

I don’t know what youre talking about man

[tulip lotus]

WAIT

In mount fay

When hornet dies in cold water

[pine scaffold]

Hornets cocoon has a little black version of her that disappears like void does

[cunning carbon]

Hornet can eat but doesn't because her body can sustain itself without nutrients.

I'm betting that this is why she's so frail, she has no padding, it's just shell and organs.

If she had a regular bugs diet she would have like 40 masks of HP

[tulip lotus]

It shows a crystal form of her

[pine scaffold]

We need to feed hornet

[tulip lotus]

Not void

[pine scaffold]

No it most certainly doesn’t

It’s black not crystal

[cunning carbon]

@tulip lotus @pine scaffold you guys are talking about two different things

[stray fog]

All weavers are thin (except herrah)

[cunning carbon]

That's what I'm saying! She needs a real world burger king whopper dropped into bellheart. It could feed her and the entire town for days

[pine scaffold]

I’m talking about her cocoon

[pine scaffold]

Idk have you seen how much some of those bugs eat

The gourmand dude could eat it alone

[cunning carbon]

Because herrah knew the pleasures of fine dining. We love a big lady.

As hornet said: "I love fat bitches big and soft, a fantastic combination."

[pine scaffold]

Also I love that the gourmand dude does not give a single shit about what he’s eating

He just wants to eat

[tulip lotus]

But Hornet can drink nectar

[cunning carbon]

I think the gormund is a good set scale. They would be the size of a whopper

[tulip lotus]

What's the nectar made of btw

[pine scaffold]

Flea

Flea necter is made of flea

Like how olive oil is made of olive

[cunning carbon]

If your mom drinking bottles of wine while pregnant with you the same as eating a balanced meal?

[tulip lotus]

I'm not talking about that

Like

Gosh idk the names on English

[pine scaffold]

And baby oil is made of baby

[tulip lotus]

In the part of the pigeons

In the bar

[pine scaffold]

Oh

No idea

[tulip lotus]

The nectar that gives you silk

[pine scaffold]

That’s a good point tho

Does she just digest it into silk?

[cunning carbon]

Don't ask about Gatorade. Yep. ||It's made of horse||

[tulip lotus]

What is it made of?

[tulip lotus]

You made me thirsty

[pine scaffold]

Well nectar comes from flowers irl

So probably some flower

🌺

[tulip lotus]

A flower able to give silk?

[pine scaffold]

Hive knight would love this shit

[pine scaffold]

Well water can also give her silk

Hell maybe the nectar is cut with water and that’s the part that’s giving her silk

That’s a funny idea

[cunning carbon]

Hornet can naturally make silk from nothing. So having any kind of substance would likely make her produce faster.

Her weakness if from her own anorexia

[edgy nebula]

water gives her silk because there’s silk in the water

[pine scaffold]

They’re putting silk in the water to make the fricking bugs gay

[cunning carbon]

We drinking siter (silk water)

[pine scaffold]

I love siter

Or wilk

[tulip lotus]

Is not whatever water

[edgy nebula]

“In the air. The water. Everywhere.
Inside their shells. Twisted inside. Guts.
Tightest around heart. Pulsing rhythm.
Sick. Alive. Dead?
Something worse.
Deeper. Must look deeper.”

[tulip lotus]

Little reminder that Sherma swam in those waters

[pine scaffold]

Of course not but is water can be infused with water then a flower probably can as well

[pine scaffold]

Yeah Shermas super gay

[tulip lotus]

BUT WHICH FLOWER ??

[pine scaffold]

He swam in the gay juice

[pine scaffold]

The magic one

[tulip lotus]

The pale flower?

[cunning carbon]

The lore of the conductors is really funny.

The weavers showed them GMS' cocoon, told them "this holds back a vengeful god, continue your prayer to strengthen the silk" but the second the weavers left the conductors started ripping off silk from the cocoon because "wow, this stuff extends life!"

[pine scaffold]

Probably not the everbloom

[tulip lotus]

Ohh that's it's name

In Spanish is "Siempreviva"

Like "always alive"

[pine scaffold]

It’s probably not the everbloom because it’s from a different land

[pine scaffold]

That’s very cool

Because that’s pretty much the same meaning

I love languages

[tulip lotus]

Yess

I like to call it pale flower

[cunning carbon]

In German it's I don't know, I don't speak it

[stray fog]

Lmao

The greater the mass, the greater the force of attraction

[pine scaffold]

“Big and soft a good combination” - me to the gourmand after to many sips of nectar

[tulip lotus]

When GMC was creating Lace, did she say "Damn, let's give her a freaking big a$$" or what?

[pine scaffold]

Have you seen herra

Grand mommy silk was enjoying herself

[tulip lotus]

Hell yeah 👅👅👅

[pine scaffold]

It’s a fundamental law of physics

[cunning carbon]

Have you seen GMS in general?

[pine scaffold]

Such a good point

[stray fog]

Shes a child so you shouldn't say that

[cunning carbon]

No stomach, no chest. Just ass

[pine scaffold]

She’s older then entire kingdoms

[cunning carbon]

She's been a child for 200 years!

[pine scaffold]

And a bug

[pine scaffold]

And hair

Half her mass is hair

[tulip lotus]

I saved her from the void, I can say whatever I want

[cunning carbon]

Give this man a false

It's just silk

[pine scaffold]

A what?

[pine scaffold]

Oh yeah good point

[tulip lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/false-that's-false-true-fake-not-true-gif-7463876790346893009

[cunning carbon]

The opposite of true. She's just silk. No bug

[pine scaffold]

Don’t want them artificial people thinking they’re equal to real bugs

Lace is an ai

Oh god

[cunning carbon]

That's why we got second sentinel working day and night. Breaks are only for real bugs like Shakra

[tulip lotus]

If Grimm is a spider too, wouldn't he have a massive freaking... Too?

[pine scaffold]

He uses magic to hide it

Gets in the way of combat

[edgy nebula]

grimm isnt a spider

[tulip lotus]

Why??? Is he shy? 🥺

[pine scaffold]

He’s definitely spider like

[tulip lotus]

He, in fact, is a spider

[cunning carbon]

I always thought Grimm was his own thing.

We got spiders, beatles, millipedes, bees... And grimm

[pine scaffold]

If you want to be technical then weavers aren’t spiders

[edgy nebula]

he also turns into bats, grows from a bat, and in occasion turns into spikes and drills

he’s a shapeshifter

he’s no singular bug

[pine scaffold]

The weavers are weavers not spiders

[tulip lotus]

I didn't know bats were insects

[pine scaffold]

But if we look at things realistically

[edgy nebula]

theyre arachnids

[cunning carbon]

Grimm is a special insect called a homosexual

[tulip lotus]

Or arachnids

[pine scaffold]

I’m a bug ☹️

[tulip lotus]

Called my husband

[edgy nebula]

grimm is a terrible tumblr sexyman can we get another hot hollow knight character to replace him

[cunning carbon]

Had a hunch

[pine scaffold]

Grimm is a spider and a bat and a vampire and a troupe master

He’s all of those bugs

He’s all of those insects actually

[cunning carbon]

Didn't we? TrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrobiGarmond

[pine scaffold]

Don’t insult my husband

[edgy nebula]

i dont think silksong gave us any really standout hot men

people are just obsessed with the women

[pine scaffold]

The closest would be a hot woman

Ah

[pine scaffold]

I see

[cunning carbon]

Yeah? None you would potentially use as a pfp?

[pine scaffold]

Ha that’s funny

[edgy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/flightreacts-reaction-flight-reacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-gif-14526489174047821058

[pine scaffold]

And true

But he’s to sad to be hot

[tulip lotus]

Sherma

Or Garmond

[pine scaffold]

No that’s my child

[cunning carbon]

If sad men weren't hot then emos would never get laid

[tulip lotus]

Or that autistic berserker flea

[edgy nebula]

green prince is a married man

[pine scaffold]

Sherma is not for the s*x he is for love

[pine scaffold]

A widower actually

[tulip lotus]

Dead man* (spoiler)

[cunning carbon]

Just because there's a goalie doesn't mean you can't score

[pine scaffold]

So true

[pine scaffold]

Torbek?

[edgy nebula]

lowkey crust king khann’s probably the best option for a tumblr sexyman we have in silksong

maybe watcher at the edge

[cunning carbon]

Mmhmm

[pine scaffold]

Idk he’s to big to be a tumblr sexyman

[pine scaffold]

Awesome

[cunning carbon]

I love that guy, all his attacks are him aura farming

[tulip lotus]

I'm scared you're right

[tulip lotus]

0% attack, 500% aura

[pine scaffold]

Aren’t tumblr sexymen almost always thin as hell

Like Grimm for example

Hornet wouldn’t like them

[cunning carbon]

10% attack. His movements can actually hit you before the coral. I learned this when he sucker punched me

Oh also

[pine scaffold]

My other husband

[cunning carbon]

There's also the Tumblr sexythey

[pine scaffold]

Tumblr sexybug?

[cunning carbon]

Yeah

Lugoli got it all
A fat ass
...
...
...
A fat ass

[pine scaffold]

“The gendered child”

[pine scaffold]

They can cook some things

Just not well

Also they have a fat ass

[tulip lotus]

TROBBIOOOOOOO

[tulip lotus]

Looks like a pedo to me

Ngl

[cunning carbon]

They cook it well, it's just that their fridge is the dumpster out back

[pine scaffold]

I love the fact that hornet does a little dance when using his mirrors

She should tell her name or his name tho

[tulip lotus]

I use them with the +healing thing

She literally dances

[pine scaffold]

Ooh did yall know she was two different taunts

It’s so cool

[cunning carbon]

Doesn't the mirror animation change depending on your crest?

[tulip lotus]

Technically 3

[tulip lotus]

I think that with the witch one

[pine scaffold]

What’s the third?

[tulip lotus]

With the Shakra rings

[pine scaffold]

Yeah so what’s the second them?

[tulip lotus]

With the beast crest

[pine scaffold]

I knew about Shakira’s ring

[cunning carbon]

This server should have colored names connected to your favorite crest so we can have gang wars

[pine scaffold]

That has one??

[tulip lotus]

Try it

[pine scaffold]

I didn’t know that

[pine scaffold]

Definitely

I like the link crest

[tulip lotus]

Normal crest (I have fear to changing)

[pine scaffold]

I guess a better name be the master sword crest

[pine scaffold]

I use the wanderer for parkour

[tulip lotus]

Weak

[pine scaffold]

And I play “the wanderer” on loop till I’m done with difficult parkour

[pine scaffold]

What of it?

[tulip lotus]

It's the easiest way

Hornet doesn't do that

Is like using cogflyes

[cunning carbon]

I prefer the reaper crest. I'm always a slow but heavy hitter type

[pine scaffold]

She’s would one hundred percent use cogflies

That’s why she’s the best

She’s not the type to get stuck up on what “honorable” or “cool”

She just wins

[tulip lotus]

She massacres her enemies with her own hands

[pine scaffold]

I mean she’s clearly willing to do whatever to win

[tulip lotus]

Cogflyes make you dependent on them

[pine scaffold]

She’s even fine with all the child murder

[pine scaffold]

Expect for the fact that she also uses her needle

And the hundred other tools she makes

[tulip lotus]

If you kill a boss using cogflyes

You didn't kill it

[pine scaffold]

But it’s dead

[tulip lotus]

The cogflyes kill them

[pine scaffold]

So who cares

Well if you use the needle you didn’t kill the boss the needle did

And if you kill it with traps or saws or throwing knives you didnt kill it

And if you use silk then you didnt kill it

The silk did

It’s a dumbass way to view things

[tulip lotus]

You have to throw them, count the timing

[pine scaffold]

The cogflyes are just another tool

And hornet uses her tools

[pale narwhal]

its called a team effort

[tulip lotus]

Cogflyes are suicidal machines

[pine scaffold]

Machines she made

[pine scaffold]

Exactly

Who genuinely thinks hornet wouldn’t use them in lore?

[tulip lotus]

That attack by their own

[pine scaffold]

No they don’t

[tulip lotus]

Me

[pine scaffold]

She has to prime them

[pine scaffold]

Do grenades attack on their own?

[tulip lotus]

You just put them and they'll go like kamikazes to any objective

[tulip lotus]

You have to time them

[pine scaffold]

She pulls a pin to prime the cogflies too

[pale narwhal]

so even if hornet delivers the final blow if the cogflies helped it doesnt count as her killing them?

[pine scaffold]

Hornet would definitely use cogflies right?

It’s a tool she makes with her own claws

[tulip lotus]

With materials of the citadel, a place she hates with all her silk

[pine scaffold]

And hornet isnt some stuck up little prick who follows “honorable combat”

[pine scaffold]

She also used all of her other tools

Bro I don’t think you know how the game works

[pale narwhal]

mate youre being way too pompous about it
it counts

[tulip lotus]

Then why didn't she killed the blue girl in mount fay?

[pine scaffold]

Because she’s not some little prick

She fought

And was done with fighting

[tulip lotus]

Or why did she accept to have a duel of knights with Garmond?

[pine scaffold]

It literally proves my point

She fight when she has to

Not for honor

She’s a hunter not a knight

[tulip lotus]

In the journal she describes Garmond as an honorable knight

She cares about the honoe

Honor

[pine scaffold]

She’s a hunter

Not a knight

A knight fights with rules while a hunter fights to win

You probably think she wouldn’t use poison either

[tulip lotus]

That's different

[pale narwhal]

killing the pinstress would have been following honorable combat.
it was a duel to the death which she accepted, by letting her live she's breaking the rules

[pine scaffold]

She didnt kill them the poison did

She didn’t even make the poison

[pine scaffold]

Exactly

She broke the rules of a duel because she figured it made more sense

[tulip lotus]

... Ok fair

[pine scaffold]

And fighting with poison is a hundred times more underhanded then fighting with a team

[pale narwhal]

unrelated but i need to know
is there someone else matching you as muninn?

[pine scaffold]

No

[tulip lotus]

But with the 2nd centinel (I don't remember their name) she accepted to fight then even tho it wasn't necessary

[pine scaffold]

She was literally captured

The doors sealed behind her

And she was attacked

And then hornet spared her because she didn’t want her to die for no reason

[pale narwhal]

that wasnt a challenge it was an ambush

[tulip lotus]

The dialogues she said showed that she knew what she was called for

[pine scaffold]

She had an idea

She only knew once she saw the room

And by that point it was to late

[tulip lotus]

You really think that OUR hornet didn't wait for an ambush from a citadel robot?

[pine scaffold]

You really think OUR hornet cares who lands a killing blow?

She’s gonna be pissed that bell beast attacked the bell eater?

Of course not

It’s dead and that’s all that matters

Who killed it doesn’t matter

[tulip lotus]

Wtv

You win

[pine scaffold]

It’s not a fight bro

[tulip lotus]

But I'm not using cogflyes

[pine scaffold]

Yeah that’s a scummy way to play

[tulip lotus]

We had an argument

[pine scaffold]

It’s like wall clinging and spamming spells

Game play and lore are very different

Hornet doesnt care who lands a blow but you can

And Youre the one playing the game

So play with what you want when you want

And don’t let anyone else tell you how to play

I think hornet would use cogflies but that doesn’t mean the person playing the game would use them

[pine scaffold]

I’d say it’s more of a debate ;p