sk-lore

[whole holly]

Well it is not hunger but reproduction, I think she will be pale being and no longer reproduce

Well GMS and Hornet have almost infinite silk so Twisted Child is likely god

[twin dragon]

What makes you think that lmao

she is not changing

[whole holly]

Why , that power is bound to change anyone’s nature

[twin dragon]

Grayroot is barely sentient and it could dominate the other possible natures

Plus i don't think grayroot bound anything to itself

i don't think it can do that at all

[whole holly]

Exactly but I think greyroot will also be forever satiated and not inherit ugly personality of GMS and hornet

[twin dragon]

Why

[whole holly]

I guess but it saps the power from host

[twin dragon]

it's a parasite

that even makes it MORE likely

[twin dragon]

Yeah, so i don't think it would necessarily slurp up hornet's and gms's nature

it uses their lifeforce to metamorphose

[whole holly]

Pharlids were spiders but they got ascended weavers , Greyroot could become like White Lady and power may help her

[twin dragon]

What happened to both is completely different

why are you making this stuff up

why defend grayroot

[whole holly]

Not really, if it inherits soul of pale beings and doesn’t bloat like soul master she won’t need anything

[twin dragon]

why

[whole holly]

Who knows what will happen , it is ambiguous unlike Snared Silk which has bad effects we see

[whole holly]

She doesn’t need defense she didn’t do anything wrong hornet consented

Star would agree with me if she was here

[twin dragon]

[twin dragon]

so?

[edgy nebula]

she didnt

she had no clue she'd be implanted with a root baby

[twin dragon]

What guarantee do we have that nika isn't grayroot

[edgy nebula]

uuuh, he doesnt speak weird

[twin dragon]

Kind of does, but maybe that's just me

[whole holly]

Time of rebirth is approaching, come closer

[twin dragon]

Please don't

I need those nutrients for myself

[whole holly]

She accepted the quest, her fault

[whole holly]

I’m wish we got plasmified cursed crest where plasmium reawakens parasite and takes control again, hope we see it in Sea of Sorrows

[twin dragon]

please stop

[inland adder]

So any ideas on the bells that hornet rings to unlock the citadel and at the first shrine? I know at one of the nests it's made clear that they're all Weaver constructions, but to what end and for what purpose?

[twin dragon]

Perpetuate the song probably

[scenic shuttle]

The silken song

[devout slate]

Who's screaming on act 3?

[edgy nebula]

grand mother silk

[devout slate]

Ah

[limpid summit]

There’s cut content with them being necessary for the bad ending we see in game, but as far as we know canonically they just help to play the song like Nubbie said

[inland adder]

Me because I tied for first place on Flea Dodge for the third time in a row.

[devout slate]

I'm doing that rn

[inland adder]

Mmmm ok ya that makes sense cuz when the weavers left the bugs weren't immortal so more would always need to be called to the Citadel to serve the chorus right? The experiments to extend their lives via silk happened after they left? That's my understanding at least.

[limpid summit]

Yep

[twin dragon]

They were still immortal, conductors abused the hell out of gms's silk

[limpid summit]

The Conductors who ruled after the Weavers weren’t satisfied and tried to use silk to become immortal

[twin dragon]

But some of them could be thrown into menial labour

in the underworks

Plus at one point, the silk in their systems could cripple them

we kinda see this with ballador i assume

[inland adder]

Bounce I find easy but Dodge and Juggle are frustrating enough that I get big mad that the reward is far too good to possibly skip the quest.

[inland adder]

I don't think that's accurate, the story makes it pretty explicit that the bugs made themselves immortal via their experiments with silk infusion. The question is if the Weavers were involved in that or it happened after they left, but given that nothing in The White Ward looks to be of Weaver make I think it's safe to assume the bugs of the citadel conducted those experiments after the Weavers were gone.

[twin dragon]

That's what i meant

The use of whiteward continued

[twin dragon]

Uhh

whiteward's the most weaver looking part of the citadel i'd say

compare it with weavenests

[inland adder]

I am comparing it to the weavenests and the weaver-built areas in places like The Abyss.

Plus it is made pretty explicit that citadel bugs were the ones actually carrying out the experiments whether the weavers were there and involved at the time or not.

So like, even if it was built by the Weavers as a hospital, it still seems the bugs were the one that used that space for medical experiments using silk not the Weavers

But I don't see the aesthetic as seeming weaver built either tbh

[whole holly]

I just want Absolute opposite of Shade Lord so it can be like yin and yang , pale parasite is close enough

[floral venture]

The opposite is the Everbloom ig

[whole holly]

It isn’t super sized monster tho

[floral venture]

xD

[dense sphinx]

Has the pale king been mentioned in silksong(

[floral venture]

His words are sort of mirrored on an Arcane Egg

[spark valve]

A few times

Kingdom of the white wyrm, wingmould journal entry

Even if the latter is nonsense

[dense sphinx]

Wouldn’t the journal entry mean hornet has been to the white palace?

[spark valve]

She has

[dense sphinx]

How could she tho if it crumbled away

[spark valve]

Before it got teleported

[dense sphinx]

Couldn’t that mean the ancient basin is the crumbled white palace?

[spark valve]

No

[floral venture]

The palace is in tha basin

[dense sphinx]

What about the gate next to the guy when he dream nail him?

[spark valve]

The palace was in the basin then it got teleported into a dream

[floral venture]

Remnant of the palace in the actual world

[dense sphinx]

Is it the full white palace?

Also what was path of pain made for

[spark valve]

Some of the exterior was left behind but otherwise the whole palace was teleported

Path of pain exists to preserve a memory of pk and thk

[dense sphinx]

How did the pk die then? Did the void get to him? Did the palace crumble away because he died?

[spark valve]

He probably died of grief, the palace didn’t crumble away

[silk dirge]

path of pain only exists in dreams

to protect the memory

[dense sphinx]

So was the path of pain not real?

[spark valve]

Probably not

It vanishes once you do it

[dense sphinx]

I once raged at the path of pain so much I broke my crystal dash button

Like it wouldn’t work

[twilit crest]

Cortisol

[low oracle]

That isn't the best argument though. Dream Ghosts (Lost Kin, Soul Tyrant, Failed Champion) all vanish too after they are defeated. We know the White Palace isn't a dream, but something moved to a dream (like the dreamers). My guess would be that the Path of Pain is an "unreal" dream, of a location that doesn't truly exist. Within that dream, Pale King shows his regrets of preventing his plan to stop the Radiance by feeling affection for the Pure Vessel. The dream ceases to exist once the secrets have been witnessed and harshest punishment has been endured.

[low oracle]

He isn't seen "dead" upon entering the throneroom. You only know for sure he died when you knock him off his throne (broken mask). He might very well be alive, relying on the few followers he still has, to exist (higher being stuff if you know).

He doesn't have the voided eyes or any other signs of death at first.

[dense sphinx]

My personal headcanon or theory is that dream bosses of original real world bosses are who they thought they could become

[dense sphinx]

Where does he go after you get the white fragment?

[low oracle]

I think it's just them at their prime, similar to fighting old hearts. Who would seek to become a "tyrant", "lost" or "failed"?

[worn halo]

I just realized haunting is litterally just microplastics

I mean think about it

[low oracle]

To the floor. His mask has a big crack, like the Knight's mask after death. Nosk can (somehow) recreate any mask, and he allows you to clearly see , how broken masks indicate death.

[worn halo]

Bugs have been injecting it into themselfs due to their poor choices and now everyone is poisoned by it

[low oracle]

Then let us kill the higher being responsible. The Billionares! (/j)

[dense sphinx]

After you pick up the white fragment and you go back to the throne room you can see he is no longer there

[worn halo]

Elon musk is litterally grand father plastic

[swift needle]

Gms vs gfp

One is capitalist

[dense sphinx]

Is it a mask or his real head? He rebirthed himself into the form we see when we make sure he is dead so wouldn’t that mean it would be his head

[swift needle]

One is communist

[worn halo]

Both promote slavery btw

Tesla really is the underworks

[dense sphinx]

Why we talking about this in lore channel

[worn halo]

Grand mother silks motivations thats why

[low oracle]

Oh didn't know that.
Anyways, I guess that:
-The void took him (possible but unlikely)
-He wasn't dead and gained another form (???)
-Team Cherry is fucking with us (actually possible)
-Lemm wanted the best relic he could think of
-Emilitia wanted to see her King
-White Lady wanted to see her husband

I don't know what possibly would be reasonable to assume. Unless the Pale King could repell the void while alive, it would have taken him either way. That is also why I think it didn't kill him; His body remains at the same place, fully intact.

[worn halo]

Im sure she owns at least 3 electirc cars

[dense sphinx]

So is the delicate flower the ever bloom?

It looks very similar

[nova ivy]

I believe its a ret con yea

[low oracle]

"Masks" are basically often the actual "shell" of a bug. Hollow Knight is extremely confusing because of this, but basically you have your face, and a face to put on top. The most upper face affects your personality/nature. The shell is the body, so just the entire bug. The part inside of the bug is either soul or void.

[nova ivy]

It was previously just the delicate flower but in skong it seems to be the everbloom

[low oracle]

It is very much implied, though most of it doesn't add up. I have nothing else to say, it is just too inconclusive.

[nova ivy]

do you guys think zote actually got his weapon from shellwood btw?

[dense sphinx]

But the vessels have masks like the pale king, hornet, the knight and hollow knight, the pale king wouldn’t go into deep nest every time to make a mask for all the hundreds of thousands of vessels

[low oracle]

Nah, bro wouldn't survive the water. Seriously though, he literally would.

[nova ivy]

also do we know the full reason why the weavers went back to hallownest after they imprisoned gms

and then seemingly go back considering theres like only one weaver in hallownest

[dense sphinx]

Is hornet a higher being?

Or the knight or hollow knight

[nova ivy]

She's like made up of two incomplete halves

One half is related to the Pale King

one half is related to herah, who is a weaver, who was made by gms

So I think she'd be like a semi higher being in terms of lore. I'm not really sure though

[dense sphinx]

What’s the most powerful being in the world of hollow knight?

Is it now the Knight?

[low oracle]

The "masks" are organic, basically their faces. Removing them would be certain death.
Since it is somewhat relevant, I would also like to mention that the Knight's black body isn't void. Broken vessel remains with a body, while its shade has disappeared. Hence the body is a "shell", and the void is inside of it.

[nova ivy]

I don't really think we have an answer to that. The closest I can think of is the void, but that's not really a "being"
so most likely the shade lord?

[dense sphinx]

I thought masks was just giving them more knowledge?

The mask maker has a mask and we knock his off

[dense sphinx]

Are void and shades the same?

[low oracle]

The Shade Lord, since it is basically said the abyss exists anywhere in the world when deep enough. So the Shade Lord basically has unlimited possibilities to strike from below, besides the void being the primary force opposing higher beings.

[nova ivy]

Not exactly

They are both void, but void isn't exactly concious

Shades are remnants of the pale kings children after he tossed them into the abyss

[low oracle]

Yes. Shades are made of void, though they are imprinted with a will/existence.

[dense sphinx]

So is the abyss the core of the world underneath all kingdoms?

[nova ivy]

they are void but they aren't the void idk if that makes sense

[dense sphinx]

Are shades hollow?

[muted lantern]

They have wills so no

[nova ivy]

all the shades were the pale kings children, this includes the knight and the hollow knight
none of them are really hollow though

[dense sphinx]

Because when the knight breaks out of its shell the knight gains will power and kills the radiance

[nova ivy]

I don't think the shades would even exist if they were truly hollow. there'd be nothing to leave behind, no imprint left on the world

[low oracle]

Masks give a bug different personalities and nature. The maskmaker in Silksong describes his task as tedious when knocking his mask off. So it seems that the mask had him be more efficient at his work.
That applies to most other things as well. As for Hornet and the Knight, I have no idea what their mask system does and how it works in lore.

[low oracle]

Yes, as said by Hornet when talking to Lace at the bottom of the abyss.

[dense sphinx]

I think the pale king does not wear a mask

I think it’s his actual head

[nova ivy]

I really like this, btw.
It's something I thought about more when replaying hollow knight for the steel soul achievement after skong. Really made me realize how messed up the pale king was to have made an entire section of the abyss just full of corpses

[dense sphinx]

Also shouldn’t masks just weather away at some point?

[dense sphinx]

I personally do think the pale king could have just reused shades until the perfect vessel was formed

He didn’t have to throw away his children

[nova ivy]

They were all not perfect, that's kind of what the "problem" was

[low oracle]

Yes, as are the vessels. Pretty much only the Dreamers, the Maskmakers, the Weavers, Phantom, the Godseekers, some Deepnest bugs and Midwife wear masks. Most of them have reasons implied or stated outright, as to why they do so.

[nova ivy]

Pale King really only chose the Hollow Knight because it made it to the top iirc

[dense sphinx]

How does he know when they are perfect?

[nova ivy]

He doesn't

He just says so

Think you can gather how that went

[crimson patio]

The flaw in his thinking was that void makes a vessel pure (it doesnt)

[low oracle]

But Pure Vessel represents the possibility of what a truly hollow knight would have looked like. And void is always empty, with no will. Since all endings in HK are canon, the Knight is/isn't hollow, depending on the ending.

[dense sphinx]

Yeah he probably missed thousands of opportunities for a perfect vessel he probably didn’t know

[crimson patio]

And he just picks up the first vessel to climb out really..

[nova ivy]

I think hornet makes a remark on how only a fool could believe they can bend the void to their will

[dense sphinx]

Does the Knight ever get a happy ending?

[nova ivy]

yeah, fair

Maybe there was a time the hollow knight lived up to it's name

But the hope to save it's kingdom eventually lead it to feeling

[nova ivy]

I think the Knight comes to terms with it's nature, but I wouldn't really know what defines as a "happy" ending

[stray grove]

No there wasn’t actually

[nova ivy]

for all we know the shade siblings just roam the abyss for the rest of their lives

[low oracle]

I think she is talking about herself. The Pale King ended up indirectly and accidentaly saving both Kingdoms through his experiments. Hornet on the other hand truly inflicted damage beyond her own path. The dead vessels weren't good, but they weren't what caused the void to destroy an entire kingdom.

[stray grove]

I mean

It was always hollow but it was never pure

[dense sphinx]

The pale king is probably the most powerful being in the world of hollow knight right? (Aside from the shade lord)

[stray grove]

While Lady said as much

[nova ivy]

It's interesting to think about

[dense sphinx]

He brought a crumbled civilization and brought it back to its knees

[lone folio]

I mean i would say he would be pretty happy to be reunited with his family in the dark abyss

[dense sphinx]

He fought the radiance for god knows how long

[nova ivy]

I wouldn't really call it a fight

[lone folio]

Maybe he kills void tendrils for funsies

[dense sphinx]

Ok was the radiance selfish or justified?

[low oracle]

The question is; did Pure Vessel ever exist? Because it is the potential of what the Hollow Knight could have been, should the Pale King have succeeded.

[nova ivy]

Selfish

But it's intent was to reclaim what was stolen from it

so it was justified to her

[dense sphinx]

I wouldn’t like to be forgotten either, but I wouldn’t infect the minds of an entire kingdom because of that

[nova ivy]

but obviously the infection isn't a good thing

[stray grove]

Higher beings can’t really be directly compared, but only the Lord of Shades is explicitly described as exceeding him in terms of power
He certainly seems to be but that’s largely due to a lack of feats for the others

He never fought Rad directly and neither of them would be able to meaningfully harm the other

[stray grove]

PV in the Godseeker sense isn’t pure in the PK sense
It’s just THK’s past form, prior to being “bound and defiled”

[dense sphinx]

So it’s basically a fight that never happened? Just grudges against eachother?

[nova ivy]

Do we have like Any hints on what happens to the hollow knight when skong happens actually

that godhome cutscene drives me mad with the ending

[lone folio]

Maybe not justified but she doesn't seem like a completely bad person she just got betrayed by everyone and almost got forgotten in the process. I would say it's somewhat justified because otherwise she would probably be dead or left in such a weak state that she's basically dead

[crimson patio]

No clue

[stray grove]

Though its worldly body be bound and defiled, the glory of its pure form endures, ruler of this pantheon
This is the way in which PV is “pure”

[low oracle]

The Radiance was less selfish than the moths really. Higher Beings depend on followers, bla bla bla. Anyways, she was basically forced to do something after the moths left her. She isn't justified and she definitely didn't try the best possible option there would be, but she is reasonable. "Selfish" obviously, but I understand her actions far better than the moths leaving her for "a brighter light".

[nova ivy]

Some part of me thought the game would open with a hollow knight fight for some reason

[lone folio]

But also she did cause lots of agony and pain so like idk

[stray grove]

HBs don’t depend on followers this is a bunch of nonsense

Rad specifically needs to be remembered because not being remembered prevents her from having a place to exist

That’s because she’s a living idea not because she’s a higher being

[nova ivy]

Pale Beings like to build civilizations. This is a fact

[stray grove]

Not all of them

[lone folio]

Kind of

[dense sphinx]

She could have just destroyed the white palace then since it’s in the dream world now and so is she

[stray grove]

She couldn’t

[low oracle]

But when saying "the glory of this pure form endures", aren't you contradicting yourself? Because it seems to me the Godseekers and the Pale King new what they were talking about. In that context, Pure Vessel seems much less a title.

[dense sphinx]

Did pale stag build something?

[stray grove]

I just explained what pure meant in that context and you decided to ignore me ok

[dire lynx]

not a pale being

[nova ivy]

I don't think the pale stag is a pale being despite the name

[lone folio]

All wyrms like to do it and did gms even make a kingdom? From all I remember which isn't that much she just made the weavers. All of that citadel war stuff was after she was trapped if I recall correctly

[dense sphinx]

Oh mb

[low oracle]

She only controls her own realm. Unn, Nightmare King and Pale King all have different essence particles, implying their different powers.

[dire lynx]

its a blessed cloverstag (if it existed)

[lone folio]

Pale stag is pale but not a higher being

[dense sphinx]

Is gms a pale being? Or just a higher being?

[lone folio]

Not all pale creatures are hbs

[stray grove]

When PK gave PV that title he also didn’t know it wasn’t pure
But the Godseekers aren’t talking about that anyways so like

[nova ivy]

GMS wanted to do... something, involving others, i don't really remember but obviously she likes haunting people with her silk

[dire lynx]

pale

[lone folio]

That was after citadel

[dense sphinx]

What makes a pale being a pale being?

[dire lynx]

Here, the trail of the stag touched pale... We hunted her, felled her, as none before were able...
Proof it became, of our majesty... mark of our divine right...

[stray grove]

Pale stag isn’t even real

[dire lynx]

debatable

[lone folio]

Being born or made pale and being able to control soul beyond what a mortal bug could ever achieve probably

[stray grove]

Not really it’s described as a myth made real in memory

[nova ivy]

How is it even an achievement to kill the pale stag. Have any of the bugs seen the boss? lol

This is like when godhome called the massive moss charger a god

[dense sphinx]

Does that make the knight a pale being now since they are like the lord of shades?

[dire lynx]

myths can be based on reality

[lone folio]

I wouldn't think so

Or maybe

[dense sphinx]

Mb I meant higher being

[stray grove]

What a weird reading of what is otherwise an incredibly straightforward journal entry

[lone folio]

Oh higher being most definitely

[stray grove]

Myth made real in memory. The creature seemed completely at one with the flora around it. Did it ever truly exist as I have seen it?
Clearly this means it was actually real

[dire lynx]

hornet is uncertain in that dialogue lmao

[lone folio]

I would say it was real in some form

[nova ivy]

I can only imagine how confused Hornet must be just being brought to their entire area inside someones memory

[stray grove]

After describing it as a myth which aligns with it being called a fable in the canon meta text

[dire lynx]

i dont think green prince would just make up the palestag in his memory to troll hornet

[stray grove]

“Myths can be based on reality” Hornet’s uncertainty here would imply it didn’t exist

[dense sphinx]

Verdania is sorta a lost city, so the pale being wouldn’t be alive

[stray grove]

Because Hornet is presented as reliable

If she’s not sure it existed and the only evidence of its existence comes from myths and fables it probably didn’t

That’s clearly what TC meant to convey

[low oracle]

Instead of bitching around the moment I disagree you could bring forth a better argument. I stated what I think of the Godseeker's definition of "pure". Prior to being "bound and defiled", could mean what you think it does. But it could also mean that, before the Pure Vessel was (bound=) chained up and (defiled=) overtaken by its desires/having the infection leak out of it. Your point is good, I simply understand it differently. And that is okay, Team Cherry intended the lore to leave different interpretations.

[lone folio]

Kind of silly if green prince has such a big ego that the lies he told to his kingdom eventually became a part of his memories

[spark valve]

He didn’t deliberately lie the myth just exceeded reality

[stray grove]

Godseeker knows nothing about purity and has no reason to care about it. White Lady tells us that THK was never pure

[dense sphinx]

Ok we are talking about kinda gods of hollow knight right?

Who is the god of rain and god of storms?

[low oracle]

Okay. Makes sense.

[dense sphinx]

The weathered mask in the entry mentions them

[nova ivy]

I don't know about those but there is a Land of Storms

and i think it's where the godseekers came from iirc

[lone folio]

Either actual higher beings who did god knows what or really ancient and big bugs that the god seekers saw as gods

[nova ivy]

I wouldn't fully trust the god seekers interpretations of gods to be honest

they think flukemarm is "the alluring god of motherhood"

[dense sphinx]

God seekers have bad taste then

[lone folio]

Both interpretations could be used as we have no fucking idea on what they were aside from a bit of dialogue and seeing them in the background

[dense sphinx]

Moss charger? Really?

[low oracle]

Higher Beings that abandoned the Godseekers for whatever reason. They seemed to have died or simply stopped accepting the Godseekers, for whatever action they might have done.

[lone folio]

Yeah that's why those two could just be big ancient bugs that died

[nova ivy]

I'm more interested in the abyss lifeblood creature personally

[stray grove]

The gods of thunder and rain were probably higher beings I don’t care what anyone says

[low oracle]

Isn't she though?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah just like the Voice

[low oracle]

/j

[spark valve]

Coping

[sinful nimbus]

Totally a dream god guys 🥀

[spark valve]

‘All around the corpses of pretender gods’ your goats are washed

[nova ivy]

Kind of funny how gods rejecting the godseekers is kind of a common occurance. The shadelord literally kills them at the end

[sinful nimbus]

If they were higher beings that would mean Hallownest isn't the only kingdom with 4 HBs which is a downscale

[low oracle]

How so? They clearly weren't accepting only Gruzmother, they ascended to actual higher beings until they reached the one they desired (not really).

[stray grove]

Godseekers are evidently familiar with higher beings, the “one of them” line most likely refers to those and unless they encountered HBs somewhere in the wastes before arriving in Hallownest (absurd) that makes them the only real option
They’re called pretender gods because they died and presumably their godly resonance fizzled out

[nova ivy]

I wonder if the DLC will show more of it?
Probably not to be honest

[dense sphinx]

Hornet has likely seen baby hollow knight right?

[sinful nimbus]

actually how many are there

[dense sphinx]

Since she has been to the white palace

[nova ivy]

No

[spark valve]

Or they’re called pretender gods because Godseeker realizes true gods exist in Hallownest

[lone folio]

It's an essence based higher being that created lifeblood. I still think it's gonna be a butterfly when we get to see it's full appearance in HKSSSOS because of how similar it is to the radiance

[nova ivy]

I don't think she was born when the hollow knight was a child

[stray grove]

Then what does one of them refer to

[low oracle]

Probably not. She was made as a deal for Herrah becoming a dreamer, which happened right after. So no.

[spark valve]

True gods

[stray grove]

Which they have never seen?

[sinful nimbus]

Roots duh

[stray grove]

One of them clearly indicates some familiarity idk what to say

[lone folio]

Doubt it

[spark valve]

Correct

[spark valve]

Say nothing vro

[low oracle]

"Gods" are just very strong and special bugs. "Higher Beings" are what we would consider a "god".

In case you need to know.

[crimson patio]

Hornet knowing THK is debatable. Cuz Herrah gave birth to her and spent some time with her before sleeping forever. And by that point THK already should have existed and grown. So she might or might not have seen them, we don't know

[stray grove]

“Could you be one of the true gods?” doesn’t really read as “I’ve never seen anything like this”

[spark valve]

They’ve detected a whole bunch in Hallownest

The land of gods

[nova ivy]

more like the land of frauds

[low oracle]

Five higher beings, so pretty much.

[stray grove]

They don’t comment on Unn because her resonance is weak and they’re not sure

[devout slate]

Is grandmother silk dead or just chilling in the void since she's consumed

[low oracle]

[nova ivy]

She is dead. She is very much Dead

[lone folio]

Dead as fuck

[dire lynx]

very very dead

[dense sphinx]

Would the hollow knight/PV technically be a higher being?

[spark valve]

No

[devout slate]

Deadass?

Or dead dead?

[lone folio]

Have you seen what happens to her even before the void gets to her?

[nova ivy]

she literally gets like evaporated by hornets silk soar

[stray grove]

Also they’re clearly not too pleased with their old gods dying on them and leaving their minds quiet so like calling them pretenders isn’t strange if they were HBs

[lone folio]

Hornet uses the last of her silk and she's like torn apart

[low oracle]

Absorbed by the void. As dead as the Radiance, think what you like would happen to higher beings in the void. Besides them just dying, some people also speculate they become part of it. As in, they exist inside of it similar to things existing in the dream realm.

[lone folio]

Any part of her that remained would be eaten by the void faster then I can count to 3

[low oracle]

She has as much mass as a big Wraith.

[spark valve]

Except the fact that it’s CONTRASTED with hallownest’s TRUE GODS

[devout slate]

I thought that if the void consumes them then they're becoming one of them void things

[nova ivy]

I don't think the void multiplies

[devout slate]

Like how the void took over bugs

[low oracle]

Sorry, but what is HBs?

[stray grove]

Who still have resonance

[crystal marsh]

Higher Beings

[nova ivy]

I think it just consumes

[dense sphinx]

What happens to higher being after they die?

[stray grove]

They die

[lone folio]

No probably not

[low oracle]

That is just corrupted haunting, not purely void.

[nova ivy]

It only does that because GMS's haunting was still puppeting all the bugs

[low oracle]

thx

[devout slate]

Oh

[dense sphinx]

Are dreamers higher beings?

[dire lynx]

no

[lone folio]

They go to bug heaven or something

[lone folio]

No

[nova ivy]

If void took over a being they'd just die. The closest you'll get to seeing a void bug is the vessels

[lone folio]

Just three normalish bugs

[low oracle]

Idk. Look at fan-canon and you will get stuff like the Radiance and GMS meeting inside the void.

[crystal marsh]

correct

[dire lynx]

lurien IS just a guy lmao

[dense sphinx]

Also the wyrm corpse we see after hornet sentinel is that the pale kings old body?

[stray grove]

Also @spark valve it’s not like they call fucking VKs or whatever pretender gods they’re clearly just salty
Hallownest is a land with lots of powerful gods and the Godseekers are huffing copium going “not like our old gods were very good anyway”

[dire lynx]

yes

[devout slate]

I expected that if higher beings die their soul would get evaporated or something like that idk

[lone folio]

Hey for all we know he's an undercover radiance because we never get to see under his cloak

Trust me

[low oracle]

Well it is basically THE thing. Sepcifically their shades. Though I guess that Steel Asassin Sharpe could bring more void beings to the table.

[dense sphinx]

Is there any other signs of wyrms?

[lone folio]

Yes

[lone folio]

Not anywhere else in the games no

[stray grove]

Also gods of thunder and rain are big Godseekers clearly this means they were made in their image smh

[dire lynx]

"battle of the Blackwyrm"

[devout slate]

Can we call Hornet a fully higher beings in weaver queen ending

[low oracle]

There is the "Blackwyrm" and the speculative Collosseum of Fools theory.

[dire lynx]

godseekers are tsunderes

[stray grove]

Holy based

[lone folio]

DONT FEED THIS INNOCENT CHILD THAT BLASPHEMOUS DIALOGUE

[low oracle]

Yes, though that is basically GMS taking over Hornet's body. At least from my understanding of how binding works.

[dire lynx]

i would say yes

[stray grove]

Eh

[sinful nimbus]

Nyleth

They're old hearts dawg

[lone folio]

Probably yeah

[dire lynx]

no, that only happens in the cut ending

[dense sphinx]

I head canon the Colo of fools is just a cheap knockoff of the pantheons

[stray grove]

It’s not GMS taking over it’s Hornet’s evil genes activating and her losing her identity

[dense sphinx]

You gotta go through a series of enemy’s

[low oracle]

Old hearts can be anyone with enough power. They don't even need to be "old" in a sense.

[lone folio]

No evidence except some eh similar gameplay

[spark valve]

Bruh the pretender gods with thunder and rain is so obviously a contrast with Hallownest HBs

[stray grove]

The ending where GMS takes over got cut

[spark valve]

But hollow knight fans can’t read

[stray grove]

They say the corpses of pretender gods are all around but not in Hallownest which is the land of true gods

That’s copium

[lone folio]

True I will never understand mask maker dialogue

[low oracle]

Hornet would essentially only replace GMS as a stronger higher being. However she would mostly act the same, due to her inherent nature. So basically she would become another Grand Mother Silk.

[spark valve]

Because there are a bunch of HBs

[dense sphinx]

I stared at my screen like reze in the rain when I saw only a journal entry and a 5 second cutscene (I just know it has some insane lore)

[stray grove]

Yes, but it’s not the only place with HBs. It’s cope

“Everywhere else sucks this place is the best”

That’s what they say

[spark valve]

It’s not the only place with HBs but the contrast implies godseekers haven’t encountered them elsewhere you clown

[nova ivy]

I doubt we'll get a third game to give us more clarification on HBs

[low oracle]

It seems to have much more than other Kingdoms though, at least from our only other source. So really, we can't say for sure.

[dense sphinx]

HBs?

[stray grove]

They don’t consider the gods of thunder and rain true gods in any case so it doesn’t matter whether or not that refers to HBs

[dire lynx]

higher beings

[dense sphinx]

Oh alr

[low oracle]

If Team Cherry have really much fun developing Sea of Sorrow, we will get a third game. It might even release 2037.

[stray grove]

Even if they were HBs the Godseekers have condemned them as pretender gods and aren’t going to refer to them as such that wouldn’t make sense

[spark valve]

Bruh if they were HBs they would be true gods. The godseeker’s still glaze pk and that’s after him getting erased completely

[stray grove]

PK STILL HAS GODLY RESONANCE

[low oracle]

What is even the argument?

[stray grove]

They aren’t sure Unn is a HB BECAUSE HER RESONANCE IS WEAK

[nova ivy]

I really do hope they just continue making hollow knight but I'm also unsure if they want to just be "the hollow knight guys" so we'll see
really looking forward to whatever the citadel did to the sea thoug

[dire lynx]

are gods of rain and thunder higher or no

[spark valve]

If they had seen Unn in her prime there would be no ambiguity though they did see gods of thunder and rain before dying and still call them fake

[crystal marsh]

neither of them are Wyrms

[stray grove]

BECAUSE THEY DIED AND DIDN’T LEAVE SHIT BEHIND

[dire lynx]

w unn glaze

[spark valve]

THAT WOULD NOT MATTER IF THEY HEARD THE RESONANCE WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE AND IT MADE THEM GODS

[limpid summit]

One of them not being Roots in 2026 💔

[dire lynx]

prove it

[stray grove]

YEAH IT MADE THEM TRUE GODS BUT THEY’RE DENYING THAT NOW IT’S COPIUM

[pulsar briar]

im new to the game whos unn?

[limpid summit]

Giant slug

[dire lynx]

MY GLORIOUS QUEEN

[limpid summit]

But if you’re new this has spoilers for both games so you might not want to get spoiler

[spark valve]

No ur on copium

[low oracle]

More likely the answer is Yes than it is No. They have immense size, had their own followers, and Godseekers aren't simply appeased with regular bugs. They desire higher beings such as the Pale King, Unn and eventually the Radiance.

[dire lynx]

the goat

[low oracle]

"Blackwyrm" DEFINITELY isn't a wyrm. The actual fuck?

[spark valve]

‘All around the corpses of pretender gods’

[pulsar briar]

i see why

[nova ivy]

Do you think there's any particular reason the colosseum of fools formed in hallownest specifically?

[stray grove]

THEM HAVING HEARD THAT RESONANCE WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE IS WHY THEY’RE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE TRUE GODS IN THE FIRST PLACE AFTER THEY DIED AND LEFT THEIR MINDS QUIET THEY WERE UNDERSTANDABLY PISSED SO STARTED CALLING THEM PRETENDER GODS TO COPE BECAUSE A “TRUE GOD” WOULD NEVER LEAVE THEM
The pretender god dialogue literally reads “everywhere else sucks this place is good” it’s COPIUM

[pulsar briar]

i see why u guys are glazing her

[dire lynx]

because they reached the backer goal

[dire sinew]

did silksong drop new blackwyrm lore

[spark valve]

Hallownest is the land of gods it has a lot of actual gods it’s not just copium

[nova ivy]

Where's my lion village team cherry

[lone folio]

No

[limpid summit]

Perhaps some bugs chafed under PK’s rule or something

[pulsar briar]

and who’s blackwrym

[stray grove]

Them denying that GOTAR are true gods is copium though

[lone folio]

No one

[dire lynx]

a bum

[crystal marsh]

"Blackwyrm":

• isn't named consistently against other beings who are confirmed Wyrms such as PK aka "pale Wyrm"
• isn't referenced as a Wyrm by ANY of the beings who are familiar with Wyrms
• is a throwaway line that recieves no further elaboration unlike the Pale King
  the Colosseum and Lord Fool by extension:
• does not have the anatomy of a Wyrm
• is too small to be a Wyrm
• does not have a beacon/light unlike PK
  @low oracle done

[dire sinew]

battle of the blackwyrm is a battle that ogrim went through

[spark valve]

Says you

[pulsar briar]

and what did he do to become a bum?

[dire lynx]

the right hand of the pale king doesnt know what wyrms are. sure....

[nova ivy]

Lord Fool looks too chunky to be a wyrm

[stray grove]

Oh come on you can at least acknowledge it’s a pretty viable explanation

[lone folio]

Cause confusion

[low oracle]

Theory has it that the Bug it is located inside is a wyrm. The Lord Fool is the equivalent of the Pale King coming from a worm. However they were defeated by the five great knights in the battle of the Blackwyrm. Hence Lord Fool was given such a title, and only has their power flow through the collosseum of fools (hence even infected bugs remain calm while out of combat).
ALL THAT IS ABOVE IS SPECULATIVE

[lone folio]

BECAUSE BLACKWYRM ISNT EVEN ALIVE PROBANLY

[limpid summit]

Tammo what do you think is the alternative

[stray grove]

Also I have more to add to this

[limpid summit]

I’m curious

[stray grove]

He agrees with one of them being HBs

[spark valve]

Alternative to what

[nova ivy]

It's a cool way to think about it

[limpid summit]

Awwwwww

[nova ivy]

I don't think we'll ever get an answer

[limpid summit]

🍅

[crystal marsh]

that's not an argument when literally none of the beings who know what Wyrms are and can reliably identify them do not EVER state that a "black wyrm" actually existed

[nova ivy]

so its one of those things where you can probably just pick your favourite headcanon

[pulsar briar]

whats a wrym

[crystal marsh]

if it was actually a wyrm its existence would have been alluded to in some way other than a random throwaway line

[nova ivy]

There's a LOT of just. Big bug corpses in both games. Kind of wish we got to see one that's actually alive

[lone folio]

Go play the game then come back

[limpid summit]

The Colosseum likely has no relation to Wyrms if only because Bardoon doesn’t mention the Wyrm right above him

[lone folio]

👍 👍

[limpid summit]

Also he’s bigger than the colo and he says he’s smaller than a Wyrm

[stray grove]

Tammo is saying that GOTAR aren’t HBs because them being called pretenders is contrasted against Hallownest’s true gods I say that’s copium
Tammo says one of them doesn’t necessarily imply the Godseekers have seen a HB before I say it conveys a vague sense of familiarity
That’s basically the argument it’s not very important

[pulsar briar]

where do i reach?

[limpid summit]

A while

[dire lynx]

you will know when u get there

[lone folio]

Get 3 endings

Then come back

[spark valve]

Are you gonna deal with the gotar having the same body type as Godseeker and probably just being really big ones

[lone folio]

Oh and this is silksong discussion so you need to best silksong aswell >:)

[limpid summit]

I don’t know about GOTAR but isn’t it WL’s resonance that makes them peg her as a HB

So they’ve attempted to attune to one before

[spark valve]

Yes
Radiance

[stray grove]

I already dealt with that
Made in their image, they’re WAY too big for it to make any sense for that to be natural variation be fr

[limpid summit]

No

Not Rad

They don’t attune to Rad until Absrad

Their PV dialogue implies they aren’t there yet

[spark valve]

They’re in the process, enough to recognize resonance

[pulsar briar]

oh nah i downloaded the game cuz of my cousin i play it alot tho i haven’t got vengeful spirit yet

[limpid summit]

They need you to fight PV at the peak of all others

[lone folio]

What

[stray grove]

Even after stuffing themselves into one body all of the other Godseekers are barely 1% the size of GOTAR’s toes

[pulsar briar]

nor did i get silk spear

[spark valve]

Their minds are crammed in one body that doesn’t mean it grows proportionately

[lone folio]

Trust me playing the game without spoilers is much more fun

[low oracle]

1 - They aren't named much because they aren't involved in the story, only the lore
2 - It is literally said "The Battle of the Blackwyrm", not vyrm like Voltvyrm
3 - Team Cherry makes much lore to allow for speculation

4 - We only have one single example of what we know is a wyrm, so how would you know?
5 - Point 4
6 - The beacon would be the collosseum, as the infected bugs remain calm when out of combat

@crystal marsh done

[stray grove]

No but they did get considerably larger and Godseeker seems to like that (them having a preference for larger gods is also consistent and imo was likely shaped by their original gods being very large in size)

[lone folio]

I regret ever watching that one ccmaci video but also don't since otherwise I wouldn't have found the game

[stray grove]

As it happens most HBs are also very large

They wonder if Unn could teach them to grow bigger and lament PK shedding his much larger original form

[spark valve]

Bruh the size thing is a point in favor of them misevaluating

[low oracle]

Lmao, they really just do want to be crushed it seems.

[stray grove]

Yeah and

That was an aside

I just wanted to throw in that I think GOTAR’s large size is the reason for them having that preference

[dire lynx]

God of Gods! How clear to see. How obvious. That diminutive shell doth barely disguise thine overwhelming strength, thine all-consuming glory!
Shame beyond shame! We failed to percieve sic such obvious truth. Punish us, o Devourer! Crush us! Rain nail and lash on Our pathetic being. We welcome such divine vengeance!

[stray grove]

This was the actual response

[lone folio]

Nothing about Colo corpses appearance matches upp with the pale wyrm except for big size and teeth

[low oracle]

The last sentences sound just outright kinky.

[lone folio]

Wyrms are more or less worms and yet that corpse has limbs and eyes

[dire lynx]

even if you disagree with colloseum interpretation, surely you agree there was another wyrm involved in the battle of the blackwyrm

[spark valve]

Its size is not even close, it’s closer to a tiktik than the wyrm

[stray grove]

I think Godseekers were made in their image, if we accept the premise that GOTAR were HBs then they probably had Essence powers given how Godseeker focus works so them making a race of beings to worship them would be pretty standard HB behavior like the moths (who were made in Rad’s image) basking in her light or whatever and Unn can also reveal her shape in shit or something idk where I’m going with this but you get the point

[low oracle]

Nothing else matches up, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T FUCKING ANYTHING. You say they don't match.

That's like me taking to things out of context and having you guess if they relate in a sentence, that you don't even know.

[lone folio]

Maybe?

[spark valve]

Colo isn’t a wyrm colo has forelimbs it’s obviously not one

[stray grove]

It could be a Wyrm’s second form

[dire lynx]

especially seeing the funny things TC will do to avoid any kind of wyrm implication

voltvyrm

[low oracle]

Also true, the Battle of the Blackwyrm probably isn't a voided Pale King defeating enemies with his spiky head.

[spark valve]

Blackwyrm probably wasn’t a wyrm it wouldn’t really make sense. It also just doesn’t matter

[lone folio]

I don't even know what you mean, they just don't look anything alike and that's what I wanted to say

[stray grove]

If it was a Wyrm then it wasn’t in Hallownest

[low oracle]

Top tier argument: it doesn't matter and it doesn't make sense

[stray grove]

Which would be very strange but like whatever

[spark valve]

In which case the king wouldn’t care

[stray grove]

It’s not important who cares

[spark valve]

It’s a throwaway line to sound cool

[stray grove]

It declared war on Hallownest so he teleported his knights there

[low oracle]

But you don't know how many different types of wyrms there are. The Blackwyrm doesn't sound very pale to me if I'm honest.

[stray grove]

How would a Wyrm war even work that would probably be pretty bad

[spark valve]

It wouldn’t really

Wyrms wouldn’t set up in the same region

[stray grove]

If the other Wyrm decided to be a dick they could just like teleport a bunch of explosives to a population center and blow it up unless the defending Wyrm had a way to make a barrier or something

[stray grove]

Teleportation

[lone folio]

Also lord fool being the pale king of the Colo corpse makes no sense from how lord fool even looks like

[spark valve]

They couldn’t bring armies

[stray grove]

I mean they probably could

PK moved his whole house to the dream expanse he could probably plane shift an army in the same way

Assuming soul teleportation wasn’t an option for whatever reason

[low oracle]

Wyrms probably can't dig underground without laying of their previous form and building a kingdom. It seems to me that the Pale King would have otherwise easily gobbled up the Radiance. I'm assuming RAD wasn't trapped in the dream realm, as that would obviously hinder her followers form seeing her and making statues.

[spark valve]

And removing them from his beacon could cause a problem

[spark valve]

Her followers… the moths…. Who delve in dreams…

[stray grove]

Yeah that’s why he would send a strike team

[spark valve]

Yes they could see her no she was never physical

[stray grove]

5GKs would fuck shit up

You’re telling me if he told Ogrim to go crazy in the middle of like the citadel he wouldn’t demolish everything

[spark valve]

He would because Pharloom is full of weaklings

[stray grove]

And not all Wyrm kingdoms are created equal

[spark valve]

And Ogrim may not be beacon dependent

[stray grove]

That’s what I said

He’d send a strike team of people who aren’t beacon dependent

[dire lynx]

godseeker went to hallownest for a reason

[low oracle]

Then why is the statue in the physical world? Where is your source? Did they all use ONE dreamnail to get there?
Why are you making stuff up. This is lore, not lie.

[stray grove]

I wonder if beacon dependent bugs would retain sapience if they were teleported into the range of another Wyrm’s beacon

[spark valve]

The moths built it Ogrim says it there is only one dream nail and they don’t need it oh my god play the game

[dire lynx]

the moths exist in reality so made a statue there...

[stray grove]

Could the defending Wyrm selectively turn off its beacon to neutralize the attacker’s army

I need a game about this

[low oracle]

Hence their argument is the biggest load of Bullshit I have read today.

[stray grove]

Wyrm Wars

[spark valve]

No you just can’t read

[low oracle]

Sounds like a mobile game with ads.

[dire lynx]

the radiance is literally described to have appeared in dreams(which we see happen to the godseeker)

[stray grove]

Wyrms fighting each other thousands of miles apart would actually go crazy tho Tammo you’ve gotta agree

[spark valve]

Moths
Physical
Built the statue after seeing radiance in a dream

[stray grove]

How would foresight play into this

Turnwheel

Both sides get it

[dire lynx]

depends how strong it is

[limpid summit]

You think everything is “tuff”

[sinful nimbus]

PK teleporting the void sea directly under his opponent's capital city

[stray grove]

SO TRUE

[low oracle]

The Radiance visited moths in their dreams, not the moths coming into the dream realm.

[stray grove]

The shamans can do it PK could definitely do it and on a vastly greater scale

[dire lynx]

they would know how she looks either way lmao

[stray grove]

But the other Wyrm would just teleport it back

[spark valve]

The moths delved in dreams play the game

[stray grove]

It’s not a very useful tactic

[sinful nimbus]

M.A.D

[stray grove]

There’s also void everywhere apparently

[low oracle]

And?

[stray grove]

What if the other Wyrm had that idea first

[dire lynx]

so whats the issue with the statue?

[sinful nimbus]

Doesn't matter foresight

[stray grove]

Would PK put an essence shield on the kingdom to prevent dream walking

[spark valve]

Seer literally goes into a dream to guide the knight

[stray grove]

They both have foresight

[dire lynx]

also the dude at the shrine of believers

[sinful nimbus]

ok ok actually i change my mind foresight doesn't work wth void

[stray grove]

Stalemate in the truest sense of the word

[stray grove]

HA

I knew you’d come around

[low oracle]

Nothing. I don't think that the Radiance would stay in a dream realm the entire time, that's all.

[spark valve]

She’s made of essence she’s a living idea

[low oracle]

"Unnamed moth"...

[spark valve]

Are you baiting

Have to be

[lone folio]

Lord fool looks nothing like the colo corpse
1: may be a bit weaker of a point considering that the pale king had two eyes even though his wyrm form has none but colo corpse has six eyes while lord fool only has two.
2: his horns are nothing like the corpses as the colo corpse doesn't have those four signature big horns along side forward facing horns that the lord fool has.
3: their limbs have nothing in common as lord fools limbs are just really basic bug limbs while colo corpses limbs are very armored.

[sinful nimbus]

DiamondDiamondDiamond what are you arguing?

[lone folio]

Completely different bugs I tell ya!

[spark valve]

Moths can’t enter dreams therefore radiance must have been physical

Which is wrong in premise and conclusion and every conceivable way to a comical degree

[crystal marsh]

???

[stray grove]

This is why they should make a HK TRPG taking place in golden age Hallownest where a bunch of other kingdoms try to wage war on PK and most of them are random bozos like GMS and then in the final act you face Blackwyrm who is a much tougher opponent with access to all the same tools and the Wyrms have to play 4D chess to obtain any advantage however small and hope it snowballs into a win

[spark valve]

That’s what they’re saying

[limpid summit]

In an elder beastfly to savage beastfly sort of way the Colo looks more like the god tamer beasts which honestly seems more significant

[spark valve]

It’s dumb

[sinful nimbus]

Quirrel says the moth tribe delved amongst dreams and we see them in dreams multiple times argument over I'm glad we can clear that up

[spark valve]

Your mistake is assuming they will read your message

[sinful nimbus]

Oh also Seer says they basked in Rad's light while also maintaining that she was made out of Legally Distinct Essence

[low oracle]

Great answer. Instead of explaining or arguing, you question my intent. If you think you are correct, can you show it? In more ways than your words allow.

[spark valve]

I have you just can’t read

[crystal marsh]

Ogrim explicitly states that Infection (& Radiance by extension) aren't physical in origin

[spark valve]

Or it’s bait either way you’re so not worth anyone’s time

[low oracle]

Where?

[sinful nimbus]

OK back to strategy wyrm game

[crystal marsh]

"We knights defend against the physical, but a formless enemy. How to defeat such a foe?"

[lone folio]

Unless I don't know anything about different kinds of wyrms and whatever lil bug comes out of a wyrm can look nothing like the wyrm itself but at that point Sprintmaster swift is the lil bug form of the big corpse he resides in and the fact that he has an assistant proves his wyrm powers to pull bugs into his thrall

[dire lynx]

moths in the dream realm. argument over
(left is seer)

[low oracle]

Does that mean the Radiance is ONLY present in dreams though? I guess it could be seen either way.

[crystal marsh]

yes, because Radiance is spotted by the Hunter when he looked inside the eyes of an Infected creature

[low oracle]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I wrongly remembered that they were the same.

[crystal marsh]

since they're previously established to not be a physical entity, they exist in dreams

[lone folio]

Really?

[dire lynx]

radiance is a living idea, she cant exist in reality

[low oracle]

In which sense?

[dire lynx]

thats why people forgetting her almost killed her

[spark valve]

Yes if she could exist physically she’d be fine

[crystal marsh]

"Inside these shambling corpses is a bright light that pierces any darkness. I peered inside that light once and saw... something within it shining back. Something terrible."

[low oracle]

Dreams aren't reality, Dream Realms are. And I don't think the Radiance is in a dream, but rather in a Dream Realm.

[limpid summit]

🗣️

[lone folio]

What if he saw the blackwyrm 🤔

[crystal marsh]

there's no meaningful difference, and dreams can be just as "real" as physical matter considering TK literally walks into a dream

[low oracle]

Ah, I meant though that the Radiance might've retreated to her own realm, so to be protected from outside forces.

[crystal marsh]

well...the issue is that the dream realm is a singular expanse that all dreams are linked to

she was sealed inside of THK's mind

[low oracle]

Well Dreams are unreal places that never actually existed, as path of Pain might possibly be (it completely disappears after beating it).
Dream Realms are real spaces outside of the regular dimension, where the Pale King hid his Palace. The Radiance is real, due to existing in a Dream Realm, shown by the Knight actually dying to the Radiance, contrary to Lost Kin for example.

[timber pond]

THis reminds me , i watched my freind get the dramnail again, and that moth claims that essence is "inbetween Body and soul"

[dire lynx]

"The folk of my tribe were born from a light. Light similar to Essence, similar to that powerful blade, though much brighter still.
They were content to bask in that light and honoured it... for a time."

[spark valve]

All dreams are a part of it

They make up the whole

[crystal marsh]

what I meant yeah

[timber pond]

Aperently they exist between body and soul

so the essence of ones soul might make up the respective realm

[crystal marsh]

it's unclear what "soul" is meant to be in that sentence but yes

[low oracle]

Where is you personal opinion regarding the text? Because I could see that as the light being the Radiance. Actually, that has to be the Radiance. So what does this add to the conversation?

[crystal marsh]

essence is already a distinct substance

[sinful nimbus]

Soul realm in the big 26 ❤️‍🩹

[dire lynx]

she is made of essence

[timber pond]

If all soul is the essence we know as soul in the game. then The moth claims that the dream realm is inbetween soul and body.

[spark valve]

As we can clearly see when we tear her apart and that’s what bursts out

[timber pond]

Like that might be how essence comes to be

[dire lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-23741519

[crystal marsh]

Soul can be stored within Essence however Essence can exist without Soul

[low oracle]

Yes, radiance is made of essence. Because she is the God of Dreams. Just like GMS is made of silk, she is the God of Silk/Weaving.

[crystal marsh]

Radiance is not the god of dreams

[dire lynx]

gms has a regular bug body under the silk

[timber pond]

Yes but im saying the fact that Soul is present in someones "Body" or form might make it exist. They are still mutualy exclusive forces.

[crystal marsh]

there are other beings who are tied to dreams & in one case are explicitly responsible for the foundation of an entire realm

[low oracle]

Of regular dreams. Not the ones belonging to other higher beings.

[timber pond]

Like when soul has form in a body, essence soon follows

[crystal marsh]

Still false, because there exist dreams from regular beings which Radiance can't access

Radiance didn't start out with access to all dreams

[low oracle]

Nope. Or what is your point proving this. Sister of the Void leaves her nearly fully faded, only remaining as what resembles a Wraith.

[crystal marsh]

Spoiler that

[low oracle]

If Radiance couldn't access normal dreams, the infection wouldn't have happened.

[low oracle]

Did you play Sister of the Void btw?

[dire lynx]

yes, did you play the first hollow knight game?

[low oracle]

This is literally the channel that is meant to contain spoilers.

[crystal marsh]

Not what your initial claim was

[low oracle]

Of course.

[dire lynx]

not god of dreams

[crystal marsh]

you are claiming that Radiance is the "god of [typical] dreams", which is false because there exist dreams from normal beings which they cannot access

not to mention you're making a lot of unstated/flimsy assumptions in the process

[low oracle]

If godseekers were a trusted source, we would consider a bush to be a god.

[timber pond]

I think higher beings just exist in the dream realm

OR did exist there at some point

Like Lifeblood Dude is still in there

[dire lynx]

whats your source for her being the god of dreams then?

[crystal marsh]

That being isn't a confirmed HB

[dire lynx]

shes a living idea, thus why she is made of essence and connot leave the deam realm

[timber pond]

Mabye Godseekers are a hint that The godly stattus is attained and they dont start out that way

[timber pond]

Well, it still exists in the dream realm and produces something from dreams like Unn and the radiance did

[dire lynx]

better yet, give any source of her being in the physical world ever

id love to see it

[crystal marsh]

Moths were able to manipulate dreams and they were not all HBs

[low oracle]

That everything about her is related to dreams in every way. What does she do? Manipulate through dreams. Where does she reside? In dreams/dream realm/s. What are her followers themed after? Dreams.
So what would she be the god of otherwise?

[dire lynx]

those are the case because shes a living idea, literally made of essence

[timber pond]

Probably because they Forged A highly specific weapon for doing so. No other bug can likely create dream nails

[dire lynx]

nobody ever calls her the god of dreams

[crystal marsh]

if Radiance was the god over all dreams they would have been able to hijack people beyond the boundaries of Hallownest yet they cannot do that

[low oracle]

Define a living idea please. To make sure we understand it both the same.

[dire lynx]

she is a living thing made out of essence (the material that forms dreams/ideas)

[low oracle]

The Radiance isn't infinitely powerful. That same argument could apply to GMS haunting infinetely across the world.

[crystal marsh]

not the point i'm making

[floral venture]

As in the hall of gods, the Radiance is just the god of light

[crystal marsh]

if Radiance was the god of all dreams there would not exist dreams/minds which they could not intrinsically access

Radiance is a god of light

while dreams are made of light, light is something that isn't exclusive to dreams

[low oracle]

Radiance is a living thing made of essence. GMS is a living thing made of silk. So where are they different when saying they each "rule" what they're made of.

[narrow horizon]

what's the argument

[low oracle]

If Radiance is literally the god of light, we'd not see anything at the surface in Silksong. And that wouldn't even include only sunlight. My point is, that the godhome decriptions don't accurately represent the god, the only exception being Flukemarm.

[narrow horizon]

also hi ◇

[dire lynx]

she isnt made of silk

[low oracle]

What is the Radiance god of?

[narrow horizon]

i see

[dire sphinx]

alr I'm 85% sure Zote is Monomon's son

[low oracle]

No, tell me the answer.

[sinful nimbus]

GMS is in fact made of silk

[narrow horizon]

oh hmm

[crystal marsh]

that's a non-sequitur

[narrow horizon]

essence, dreams, and light are all fair answers

i'd say light is the least likely though

[low oracle]

Alright, imma research this shit now.

[narrow horizon]

..monomon?

[dire sphinx]

the teacher

think about it

[narrow horizon]

ik who monomon is yeah

[dire lynx]

shes the source of silk, which is made of soul. shes never said to be made of it

[dire sphinx]

when you fight zote he goes "rahhhh mahrumahh" or something which sounds like monomon

also he has precepts

to teach

just like

monomon teaches

he woulda been inspired

Then precept 11 "mothers will always betray you"

when monomon became a dreamer zote saw it as a betrayal

also part of why he wants to forget the past

[narrow horizon]

i don't think the random sound effects characters make can really be attributed towards lore for anything

[dire sphinx]

"potomas geo"

he says geo, you give geo

the word "bapanada" is used multiple times. once by iselda, once by zote

[rancid river]

I was . About to joke about this exact thing 😭 like. "Oh yeah? How do you explain hatemas geo then?" But. I was . Apparently beat to it. Seriously

[dire sphinx]

how do people hear hatemas

he says patomas

with a p

obviously'

[mighty notch]

monomon is a jellyfish

[low oracle]

Does that mean Hornet is absorbing her flesh that looks exactly like silk or what? Tell me, do you have a better explanation than that GMS is silk?

[dire sphinx]

the pale king is a butterfly-looking wyrm with a spider as his child

[narrow horizon]

in normal conversation, sure, but in battle when they scream a made up language it's not really something you can just attribute to

[dire sphinx]

anything is possible

[narrow horizon]

i mean like

[dire lynx]

she is literally sucking out all her soul

[mighty notch]

because he mated with a literal spider. what

[dire sphinx]

"bapanada" = what do you want

[narrow horizon]

geo is a made up word for a made up language

[dire sphinx]

so monomon could have mated with whatever zote was

boom

zote child

[narrow horizon]

every other word or phrase we hear has a meaning in English

Geo is money but it doesn't mean money, it means Geo

A made up currency in a made up language

[dire sphinx]

ok

but

that

s

irellevant

you AUDIBLY hear geo too

[narrow horizon]

yes i know

[dire sphinx]

so

when we hear the word bapanada

in similar contexts

we can assume the language isnt completely made up

[narrow horizon]

i'm saying bapanada is a made up word that translates to English, Geo is a made up word, so them pronouncing it as it is said makes perfect sense

[low oracle]

Fun fact. Silk is soul, strung into a thread. You are literally saying the same thing I am. Are you just disagreeing for the sake of it? Arguments aren't about who is wrong or right. They are about what conclusion we can come to and achieve together.

[dire sphinx]

ok so

skong has words that are reused throughout audio too btw

[dire lynx]

at the end of that cutscene gms' arms and general body shape are still left behind

[narrow horizon]

Bapanada is a word that can be translated, while Geo is a word that is specific to the language

[low oracle]

Imagine Team Cherry making another language for the sake of the game.

[mighty notch]

hornet isn't anything like any of the other weavers in resemblance
she's part weaver and part wyrm
if zote were half jellyfish he'd still have some physical resemblance to monomon

[dire sphinx]

i honestly think they have somewhat of a language construction

[low oracle]

As you can see, I included images of Wraiths that have striking similarities.

[dire sphinx]

characters in Hollow Knight definitely sound like they're speaking the same language even if we don't know what they mean

[low oracle]

But not really more than the occasional collection of words.

[narrow horizon]

"Mahrumahh" can literally mean anything, and it doesn't even sound like "Monomon" other than the two M sounds they both have. Bapanada doesn't sound like "What can I get you" but that's roughly what it means

[dire sphinx]

ok but its not english

a lot of names in other languages can be translated to english and sound similar but not the same

[low oracle]

Are you arguing wether Zote is related to Monomon???

[narrow horizon]

it can mean anything, it makes 0 sense for it to be Monomon

[dire lynx]

did you know that when you hit and enemy(and absorb their soul) they turn white?

[dire sphinx]

thats my argument here

[dire sphinx]

sure but thats the weakest of my points

[narrow horizon]

This guy is saying Zote is the son of Monomon

[dire lynx]

we take all her soul but the husk still remains like any other bug you kill

[narrow horizon]

Precepts is just him having an ego larger than Sly's greed for Geo

[low oracle]

Great Argument for a picture. Not a scene depicting multiple frames of GMS's white body.

[mighty notch]

if it were an actual language, i imagine entire paragraphs of text would have longer voice lines than those with two or three words. instead of every time a character talks it being a few syllables

[dire lynx]

what is happenning during that scene, please tell

[dire sphinx]

i think he was inspired tho

[narrow horizon]

Could've been, but there's 0 evidence of this

[dire sphinx]

i said it has some basic rules

[low oracle]

At least they turned from the Theory that Zote is the son of Greyroot, a literal parasite that can't have children.

[narrow horizon]

Also the fact that he did not originate from Hallownest

Zote is an outsider

[dire sphinx]

the language obviously isnt fully constructed but it may have ground rules for it sounding consistent

[dire lynx]

also, just to point out, every other time a being has been made of silk hornet has mentioned it. even the weaversong is mentioned indirectly

[narrow horizon]

that one, while dumb, at least is more likely than Monomon ngl

[low oracle]

Hornet absorbs most of the Silk from GMS to boost a last Silk Soar, powerful enough to leave the void, hence saving her and Lace (with the help of the siblings). GMS is in turn left as nothing but a ripped, white, ghostly form, strongly resembling the Wraiths of the mist.

[mighty notch]

tbf though she might not be entirely comprised of silk. she can have non-silk bones or something

[dire lynx]

Why is such a thing never mentioned or aknowleged then? As i said before, every other silk being is mentioned to be made as such

Though grey with age, their frayed form suggested a being strung from Silk, one who welcomed a decisive end in combat over a slow decline.

A bug born entirely of thread. Much Silk would have been needed to see her sustained. A fragile form of life, but life nonetheless.

Anguished spectre of lingering thread. Despite its ephemeral nature, strong strikes can dispel the Wraith for a time.

Child of the monarch, she claimed herself at the end, and her shell suggested it true, a being born purely from Silk woven tight.
Hornet: That such a feat is possible... I have seen life woven from Silk before, but tiny, transient... Never like this...

[low oracle]

I say that Zote is just talking bullshit either way. So we shouldn't be gullible for anything he says, when he also said things like;
"don't breave"
"a strange force" (gravity btw)
"don't dream" (lifesaving advice)
"How many more must I kill" (literally nobody died to him)

Godseeker even calls him a fraud.

[dire lynx]

what im saying

[narrow horizon]

truer words haven't been spoken my goat

[low oracle]

If it is never said or not said, I will go sleep now. I'm tired.

[dire lynx]

??

[mighty notch]

it's still possible for her to have silk for flesh
although since she is the source of all silk (iirc) i wouldn't be surprised if she were almost entirely made of it

[dire lynx]

when we absorb all her soul for the ascent out of the abyss, we see a body left behind

if she were fully soul she wouldve been sucked up entirely

[mighty notch]

ok i think we're saying the exact same thing

[mighty notch]

by this i meant i'm sure it's possible

but i still think she's not all silk

[dire lynx]

we agree then

[low oracle]

Maybe Grand Mother Silk is made of the friends we made along the way.

[dire lynx]

i thought you were going to sleep unc

[mighty notch]

damn dawg 😭

not the mpreg 💔

[sinful nimbus]

she literally unravels into the stuff

The limbs tuner and arguably the mask are the only non silk parts of her

[spark valve]

the head is also probably silk it just looks like phantom

[sinful nimbus]

yeah true

[foggy fractal]

Hi!

[lyric rose]

Maybe she’s just diet radiance

[upbeat yew]

Wait

Isn't Lace technically the queen of Pharloom after the sister of the void ending?

[foggy fractal]

well

Hornet leaves Pharloom

and Lace would need Hornet to sustain her [Lace]

[upbeat yew]

Yeah.

[foggy fractal]

I mean its not confirmed or anything but its implied that Lace leaves Pharloom with Hornet

[upbeat yew]

I'm just saying that she's the only one left who has the direct right to the throne

Vote for Sherma for next monarch of Pharloom

[stray fog]

I think pharloom will become multiple kingdoms again

Like it was in the past

[upbeat yew]

Probably, yeah

And, even if lace is quite a capable person, I don't think she's built to be a ruler, and even considering her mental state

[narrow horizon]

And Lace now relies on Hornet as her source of Silk

Lace needs Hornet to stay alive

Reliably*

There are other sources of silk ofc but only Hornet can make her own (unless they find other Weavers that are still alive that are willing to supply Lace with silk)

[muted lantern]

Since we are talking about lace and phantom, I had a thought that I want to hear others thoughts on, laces needolin dialogue in the cradle, where she basically is begging GMS not to abandon her like she did phantom. One line that stuck out to me was "I will not fade" as if fading was the reason phantom was discarded rather than the other way around? Lace is basically saying I wont fade like they did. It makes me wonder, if this assumption is true, maybe phantom was discarded because GMS realized they aged and would not last forever, so she threw them out and started again. Maybe the reason lace is stuck as a kid is to keep her from fading like phantom did? Ik this is a long shot and goes against current assumptions but the line stuck out to me, because why is lace saying she wont fade as if fading is a reason to be discarded rather than the result of such (again, due to its context amongst the other needolin dialogue where she's trying to justify why she shouldn't be abandoned. We are never told why exactly phantom was discarded, maybe it's because they aged and that caused them to fade with time?

Sorry for the essay

[jovial girder]

I think that hornet would want pharloom left to the bugs, that was her main motivation for killing silk instead of binding her, freeing the bugs from the yoke of the pale monarch

[edgy nebula]

it was to end the envoys trying to capture her

[muted lantern]

I think he means why hornet pursued sotv over replacing GMS.

[lyric rose]

https://tenor.com/view/vox-hazbin-hotel-vox-populi-lucifer-lucifer-morningstar-gif-1571646759352418898

HAIL FA RI DO LA, THE SI MA NET

[narrow horizon]

i think this is both very interesting and very plausible

[jovial girder]

Yes but why she chose to follow the plan of the snail shamans instead of bind GMS

[twilit crest]

This is fanon

We don’t know for sure what’s going on with lace’s silk supply

[narrow horizon]

it's logical

[twilit crest]

Logical fanon

[narrow horizon]

Hornet is the only character alive now, that we know of, who can generate her own silk

[twilit crest]

We are dealing with magic bug stuff.

[narrow horizon]

Lace previously relied on GMS

GMS is dead now

It's fanon, but it's also the only outcome that makes sense

[twilit crest]

It’s possible that through some unspoken circumstance of act 3 lace is self powered

We just really don’t know

Plus I personally just don’t love the theory since it puts them in a bit of weird codependency

[narrow horizon]

There's no evidence to support that, but there is evidence to support that Hornet is the only one who can produce limitless silk and that Lace needs someone who can do this

There are other ways to get silk in Pharloom, Hornet is the only supply that's limitless

[twilit crest]

There is evidence to support a change in lace

Or rather an opportunity to contrive such

Either way it’s fanon

[twilit crest]

It’s even possible that lace might rather seek out those non renewable sources of silk

Fact is we’re discussing content that hasnt been written yet

[narrow horizon]

Sure, but if Lace wants to keep living, from what we know of, she would eventually have to rely on Hornet

[twilit crest]

That brings up another issue, timeline

[narrow horizon]

Based on the info we have, this is a fact

[twilit crest]

We don’t know when lace would need silk from hornet, or if it’s even a pressing matter to her

For all we know lace might rather prefer mortality

It’s just not really known

[mint stratus]

D’y’all think wyrms usually only have one offspring and the white lady just has stronger genes, that weavers just cannot have more than one, or that the pale king deliberately only had a single child with her?

[twilit crest]

Pale king had tons of kids

Every vessel sibling in hk is his spawn

[mint stratus]

I mean with herrah

[twilit crest]

Oh that’s cause weavers have issues procreating, not wyrms

[mint stratus]

Yeah but for all we know, having thousands of spawn could be a white lady thing, y’know?

[twilit crest]

Pale king seems to have genetic material to spare

[mint stratus]

Kanxksnxka

Now that I think about it, feels like a bit of a dick move on the wyrms part for not giving his root wife atleast one unvoided child (not counting hornet)

Like dude that’s like the one thing she wants

Maybe he was worried about usurpation? but still

[limpid summit]

He probably didn’t need a heir but any heir wouldn’t be strong enough to kill him

I think it was a conscious decision from both of them to not have more kids

It makes sense that after losing multiple they would be hesitant to replace them with another

[mint stratus]

Probably, still with thousands of eggs I feel like keeping one normal would be the least he could do

Though I guess putting a thousand babies in an abyssal blender would put a damper on the whole “raising your normal spawn”

Maybe hornet was given to the white lady to raise as like a weird attempt at an acceptable replacement?

The pale king giving hornet to the white lady:

“Hello my root, I know you’re still upset about our thousands of dead kids, but I think I have something that’ll fill the void”

[muted lantern]

Well, we know silk is needed to sustain her, and there is only hornet left as far as we know.

[twilit crest]

.

[gleaming thorn]

Yo does anyone know all the theories of twisted child ending (when you finishit with the parasite infected) and etc?I'm really really curious

[muted lantern]

My best guess is it consumes GMS and hornet to give birth to a new god of root. Considering it ate a pale being and is a root creature, it could become something similar to the white lady, but far less benevolent.

[gleaming thorn]

Super interesting

This might also sound dumb but

What exactly happens in the normal ending

I never understood it after my first time doing jt

[stray fog]

When hornet absorbs gms, she becomes the weaver queen

Her nature of being a ruler takes over

[gleaming thorn]

Does she become evil or smth?

When that happens

Bro ngl the lore interesting asf

[stray fog]

Probably

[gleaming thorn]

How?

[stray fog]

Hornet takes on the nature of whoever she binds
This is seen in crests

Gms's nature is strong, and hornet has wyrm genes, so hornet's nature becomes that of a ruler

[gleaming thorn]

Ohh

But wasn't the wyrm king like neutral ?not evil like the gms

[stray fog]

I mentioned her wyrm genes because wyrms tend to rule over bugs

So hornet had a bit of that nature in her already, and gms amplified that

[stray fog]

She says that some part of her actually desires the weaver queen ending

[gleaming thorn]

Ngl bro I really wish they made some content on what happens for each ending esp these even if short or super short ones,like some details and etc

It's really interesting even if it isn't the true ending

Thanks bro

[stray fog]

[glossy flare]

something that kinda bothers me
is the fact that people believe the bell beast was the bugs’ actual way of traveling through the bell stations
despite the fact that the Fearful Pilgrim in Bone Bottom specifically tells you that there were carriages (I can’t remember the exact dialogue but it’s somewhere along those lines)

[stray fog]

She definitely doesn't know about the bell beast

[tight lichen]

Speaking of, why was the bell beast trapped?

And why did she have a silk heart?

[vocal crypt]

skill at getting stuck rivaled only by fleas

[twin dragon]

Massive silk threads, probably because of the haunting but not surd

[rapid bloom]

Probably got caught while attempts were made to Haunt it.

[muted lantern]

Well, they'd need something to pull the carriage. Maybe thats what the bbs were for? Honestly i am kinda partial to the theory that bell beasts were bred from groms by whatever era of the citadel made the bellways. Bell beast and groms look very similar and they are deliberately placed right after groms, in the order of: gromling, grom, and then bell beast, in order of size. and hunters journal usually sticks related creatures toghether. Especially since bell beast isnt placed with the marrow creatures like you'd expect it to be which makes that seem deliberate rather than coincidental.

[muted lantern]

Probably the heart wasnt in the beast, i think the hearts just appear when you fell a large amount of gms's power. Which she used to make near unbreakable silk bonds to stop transportation through the kingdom for bell beasts. The core of the whiteward where her influence was first introduced into bugs shells, and in lace who she personally created.

Mainly i say this because the hearts don't come from the bosses but rather seem to form out of the air.

[frigid spire]

Are theories allowed in the lore section i must know

[muted lantern]

Half of everything here is theories.

[frigid spire]

Kk

[muted lantern]

so go for it. Though people here will definitely poke holes in it. It's certainly a good place to stress test your theories to see if they hold up.

[frigid spire]

Go ahead destroy me theory chat

Lok but give feedback on the story idea practicing compelling writing lmfao

[cursive sinew]

That is not a theory but a fanfiction (is this a fanfiction? Idk how broad the definition is lol. Its a fanmade story of sorts)

Its very "fanservicey" but I dont hate it?

[robust wagon]

This is entirely speculation, there's no evidence either way so I can't disprove it lol

[muted lantern]

I remember when people tried to spoil the game on release by saying that pk was the final boss (they saw the pale monarch achievment and assumed so they spammed it while people were in chat asking about the steam crash.

[warm tide]

thank god i came into this community a week after i finished the game

[rapid bloom]

It's actually pretty good.

I know it's a fanfic but this is not bad at all.

[devout slate]

I js finished the 4th ending and did GMS just sacrificed herself to get us out?

[rapid bloom]

Yes.

She gave Hornet, but more importantly Lace, a chance to live.

So she ends up being devoured by the Void.

[devout slate]

I see

[muted lantern]

Yeah, despite being a horrible mother, in the end she decided to give up the last of her strength to get lace out. After all, keeping lace safe was the only reason she struggled against the void instead of giving in, so she's perfectly willing to give what she can to save her, since she knows shes doomed. Its not a true redemption but it's definitely a sign she at least cared about lace in some manner.

[twin dragon]

She sees lace as part of herself

a perfect "daughter"

[low oracle]

This picture may be a meme, but it shows everyone Hornet binds in Silksong.
So Hornet doesn't always get crests from binding things, she also gets Silk Skills and Weaver "talents" (idk how to say it). So how would that work? I'm also pretty sure that Hornet has the nature to dominate because of her Wyrm genes, which force her to become another 'GMS' when she binds Grand Mother Silk, since she is then made of two Higher Beings with the nature to dominate.

[twin dragon]

She probably binds the remaining knowledge of such skill

not the nature

[low oracle]

...Better a child spun mad... than none...
...Better a child spun frail... than none...
...Better a child spun pure... than them...
...One to wish our waking...
...From our Silk... A child born loyal...

Lace wasn't perfect, she was "pure" in the sense of being pure silk. Weavers are Pharlids acended by silk, hence they aren't "pure" in that regard.

[twin dragon]

More perfect than gms's previous attempts

phantom wouldn't be an outcast if that was the sole reason

[low oracle]

What sole reason?

[twin dragon]

Being of pure silk

[stray fog]

The animation for binding a crest is appreciably different from that of a silk skill / ancestral art

So it might be a different process

[low oracle]

Yes, though they are all bound still. The bodies all disappear upon being bound, hence the theory that they continue to exist within Hornet as a part of her. Eva also sings when repleneshing silk.

We also don't even know what a crest really is. Sure it's the nature, but why do only specific dead bugs give crests. Do they have to perfectly embody the type of bug/nature? Do they need a proper ritual/burial? Could Hornet theoretically bind the Pale King if we light up some candles around him?

[twin dragon]

Also any theories on why gms refers to herself as "us"?

[twin dragon]

I don't think its really ritual dependant

You could go and dig through eva dialogue

[low oracle]

Just the way she speaks probably. Weavers always say "sister, spider" and Minos Prime say "thy" and "thee".

[twin dragon]

both of those are singular terms

While gms uses plural

for some reason

[low oracle]

I'm gonna do that, wait a sec.

[low oracle]

Fourth Chorus speaks as plural. GMS controls the haunting, which is a hivemind. And I theorized that any silk of soul connects to her and can be manipulated by her. So maybe she talks like that due to being spread around in lesser bugs.

[twin dragon]

Fourth chorus is controlled by several silkflies

[twin dragon]

Hm, interesting

haunted bugs are bound to her will so it could make some sense

[low oracle]

Unravelled could be interpreted as her pure rage too. Since it is pure silk, abused and tortured over time. Perhaps it accumulated enough to gain a will, even if only one to steer mindless rage.

[low oracle]

Yeah, hence the connection that she is one spread in several.

[twin dragon]

A bunch of corpses tied up by a shit ton of silk

also the silk heart dropped from it talks about the haunting

And yeah, gms is also full of rage

But tbf that could be her more animalistic nature compared to the other hbs

[half zenith]

I love how Hornet’s sexuality/orientation is subtly implied through who you can ship her with

[twin dragon]

Hornet x hive knight

and all of the ships are headcannons

[dire lynx]

she doesnt actually bind the parasite, it still lives within her. yarnabys surgery just subdues it enough for hornet to control

" And yet, the parasite does seem to have been... unbound somewhat. Whatever remnant still lingers in my shell feels calmed, enough for me to claim its power as my own."

[low oracle]

Pale King = Dominate and have followers.
GMS = Idk, be a mother or something. Beastly though.
White Lady = Breed
Unn = Have followers.
Radiance = Have followers.
NKG = Feed on fallen Kingdoms, probably also have followers.
Shade Lord = Do weird shit and void I guess.

[twin dragon]

Hbs feed off of worship

[low oracle]

It probably lives as much as all the other bound creatures do. Where would it go otherwise? It certainly isn't always under her cloak.

[pliant meadow]

We actually don't know if SL is a higher being, but ppl hate when I bring that up :/

[twin dragon]

Part of her organism