sk-lore

[rapid bloom]

It would make sense due to them employing bugs that have spells able to manipulate Void to a certain degree like Jiji, but...conquer the entire universe?

[gentle aspen]

the second time there’s no halo and she got her ass kicked

[twilit crest]

That second part is just me trying to contrive plot reasons for Hornet to even wanna go there

We know steel bugs are aware of void and view others as weak.

[stray grove]

There’s nothing to debate because this is just baseless headcanon

[twilit crest]

That’s all I got concretely. The rest is just speculation and/or c/hope

[twin dragon]

good writing counters the void

[sinful nimbus]

I like this theory

My theory is that Sharpe and co. wiped out the Ancient Civilization

[twin dragon]

Starpengu bait worked

i reeled in a starpengu today

I am proud of myself.

[sinful nimbus]

I wasn't talking to you

[twin dragon]

wrong

[twilit crest]

Oh yeah that’s actually an idea

[rapid bloom]

We simply do not know enough of the Masters

[twin dragon]

We don't even know for how long has the ancient civ existed

[rapid bloom]

Elaborate

[twin dragon]

nor anything about the steel city people

[sinful nimbus]

We know they are opposed to void usage and that's kinda Ancient Civ's whole thing

[twilit crest]

I’m wondering if hksk has been operating under an unconfirmed post-apocalypse this entire time

[sinful nimbus]

Why does that matter

[twin dragon]

Compared to the steel city i meant

[twilit crest]

Perhaps city of steel went to war with ancient void worshippers, void worshippers summoned more and more void with time, and ruined their society as a result

[gentle aspen]

Well yeah the entirety of it is a huge unknown

[rapid bloom]

I am not sure since one of Sharpe's attacks is his nose extending like a void tentacle

[sinful nimbus]

Well yes if you assume the two civilizations never existed at the same time the theory doesn't work

[gentle aspen]

they’re not opposed to void usage in general

[twin dragon]

Exactly

[gentle aspen]

If they were they wouldn’t have the vassals

[twilit crest]

Yeah we are 100% in the realm of speculation atp

[twin dragon]

They're restricting it seemingly

[twilit crest]

Which isn’t bad imo

[gentle aspen]

and anyways sharpe is like

barely void

[sinful nimbus]

That's because he's inspired by an assassin bug

One Backer boss in particular has become a major rival character to Hornet, a mysterious Assassin Bug submitted by Jaspal Boodram. Jaspal's assassin uses its proboscis as both a blade and a whip.

[sinful nimbus]

Who they kill for using void?

[gentle aspen]

the nose thing is similar to pale lurker’s speedy strikes

[gentle aspen]

they killed them for using void for the wrong reasons

Not void usage in general

[sinful nimbus]

The wording Jinn uses is that by utilizing void the vassal is "tarnished"

[gentle aspen]

t

[sinful nimbus]

Doesn't sound like something that the Steel City would give the OK

[gentle aspen]

tarnished?

[gentle aspen]

[rapid bloom]

Corrupted?

By the power of the Void?

[gentle aspen]

dark souls my beloathed

[craggy smelt]

oh no, now Sula can't contain the Radiance...

[gentle aspen]

You said that alr

[sinful nimbus]

Sula ain't made of metal

[rapid bloom]

We need to check the Blackbarren

[gentle aspen]

honestly I hope we don’t get info on all the named areas in silksong

[twin dragon]

Therefore elden ring and hollow knight are connected AND happen within the same universe

[gentle aspen]

a part of what made HK so epic was dung defender name dropping random shit and never getting an elaboration

[twin dragon]

[gentle aspen]

ewwwww

[twilit crest]

I can’t react with gifs?

[sinful nimbus]

Hollow Knight x Little Nightmares x Rain World x Elden Ring

[twilit crest]

That’s wild

[gentle aspen]

you’re hurting me

[twilit crest]

I was just tryna say scoot was cooking with his theory 😭 it was even on topic

[craggy smelt]

tarnished also just generally means 'stained' or 'sullied' - Sula's actions have transgressed in some way
maybe its just unsanctioned Void use, or all Void use in general, hard to say at this point

[sinful nimbus]

Well it'd be a fairly awkward way to talk about unsanctioned void use tbh

[gentle aspen]

they don’t allow memes at all

on topic or otherwise

[craggy smelt]

Jiji trading Void sorceries for food might also get her in trouble

[sinful nimbus]

Like if it was "They misused the dark" instead of "They touched the dark" I would be more inclined to agree

[gentle aspen]

okay well

[twilit crest]

Right. Which leads me to my theory that they want to find a way to plausibly take control of or destroy the void

[gentle aspen]

Jiji isn’t necessarily always dealing with void

[gentle aspen]

it’s only in the knight’s non canonical case

she’s a confessor

[twilit crest]

Is that a meme? It was just me reacting with enthusiasm

Very strict but fine ig

[twin dragon]

"Sullied", "sula"

[gentle aspen]

Goddamnit

They did it again

damn you william

[foggy fractal]

maybe it was ari !

[gentle aspen]

ve fr

[twin dragon]

"Zoteye'd" "Zote"

[craggy smelt]

it might be something the vassals aren't supposed to do, whereas the Masters are okay with doing it themselves
I'd be curious as to how the vassals can do it at all, if it's some huge crime that all of Steel Society hates

[sinful nimbus]

Dark arts

[craggy smelt]

maybe forbidden lore

[foggy fractal]

wait hold up

their writing is fire !

[twin dragon]

Judging by sharpe being able to use the void, they might restrict it

the vassals took a peek at some ancient ass scroll and learnt void, now they're gonna get executed

[craggy smelt]

we really don't know that Sharpe is Void or using it - they have a long black whip-like nose, it might just resemble Void tendrils because of the artstyle

[twin dragon]

True aswell

[craggy smelt]

(but it would be extremely funny if it is)

[twin dragon]

we don't really know much

[twin dragon]

Likely to be such

i'd say

[stray grove]

That's because he's inspired by an assassin bug

One Backer boss in particular has become a major rival character to Hornet, a mysterious Assassin Bug submitted by Jaspal Boodram. Jaspal's assassin uses its proboscis as both a blade and a whip.

[craggy smelt]

yes, yes

[gentle aspen]

holy snail

star alr said the exact same thing

[sinful nimbus]

Do u have any original ideas

[stray grove]

You’re one to talk

[sinful nimbus]

Oh?

[spark valve]

Kirb is literally an ai trained on my messages star

[gentle aspen]

anyways

[twin dragon]

Haters beefing, we eatin' good

[gentle aspen]

they’re friends joking with each other

[sinful nimbus]

Why do you hat eme joker

[stray grove]

Ay hop off if you know what’s good for you pal

[gentle aspen]

anyways

[twin dragon]

That's what they want you to think

[spark valve]

hat eme hat eme

[gentle aspen]

if you say so mate

methinks the steel city uses void as a power source

[gentle aspen]

like oil

[stray grove]

Are we just saying shit gng

Oh my god

[sinful nimbus]

bro think he playing rain world

[twin dragon]

Enslaved void tendrils running on a hampster wheel or some shit

[twin dragon]

ong

[stray grove]

bro think this is rain world

[sinful nimbus]

well tc alr ripped off rain world so ig its only natural

[twin dragon]

[stray grove]

I mean TC already copied rw

[sinful nimbus]

that's why its PEAK

Silksong that is

[twin dragon]

wrong

[stray grove]

Ok I’m not copying that one

[gentle aspen]

they don’t have issues with void used in a certain way

[twin dragon]

It's not even real

[sinful nimbus]

You lose

Spineless

[stray grove]

You just lost all your credibility

[sinful nimbus]

I don't care who thinks I'm right

[spark valve]

So yeah we’re just sayin shit

[gentle aspen]

yeah that’s been the entire recent convo

[twin dragon]

They are, we don't know shit

[craggy smelt]

well then
moar headcanon

my theory about Sharpe not having as much armor as the Steelhearts we've seen
Zi talks about Compression as a punishment for disobedience, something she's experienced
Compression may be what turns a bug into a Steelheart, making them more robotic and also more beholden to obeying their Masters - less likely to fail or disobey
the more they fail, the more steel they become to ensure they don't fail again
so Sharpe has only a little armor because he's barely ever failed - he's never been put through Compression

[gentle aspen]

it’s just rude to hop on me for this

[twin dragon]

Zote is actually the fourth steel master

[stray grove]

Ok since we’re just saying shit let me chime in

[twin dragon]

And sherma dies

[sinful nimbus]

COMPRESSED GMS

[stray grove]

I think the leader of the steel masters is an AC survivor

[twin dragon]

in act 6

[gentle aspen]

peak?

[stray grove]

He’s attempting to use the void to become a lord of shades

[spark valve]

That is in fact shit

[sinful nimbus]

Ancient Civ mage x Shaman mlm couple

[stray grove]

Wait till I

[twin dragon]

Also, pale king's wyrm shell isn't his real body, it was fabricated by the steel overseers as a war machine

[stray grove]

HEY

YOU COPIED THAT IDEA FROM

FROM ME

HEY FUCK YOU

[twilit crest]

What is he cooking

[sinful nimbus]

You came up with ancient civ shaman yaoi?

[craggy smelt]

steel masters will use a super Void ritual to summon TK to figure out how a Lord of Shades is created

[sinful nimbus]

I wouldn't admit to that pal

[twin dragon]

Steel masters eat the void

[stray grove]

YES I DID IT LITERALLY CAME TO ME IN A DREAM

I shared that dream with you and this is how you repay me

[twin dragon]

The steel city is a hivemind mark my words

[twilit crest]

Kill the you who cringes. Be free.

[gentle aspen]

tk after being taken to bumfuck pharloom for the second time

[twilit crest]

Oh yeah isn’t that kinda confirmed via dialogue

[sinful nimbus]

dawg I don't remember them being lovers

[twin dragon]

wouldn't be surprised

[hazy fossil]

guys i have a theory

[craggy smelt]

steel masters will have TK and be like 'what the fuck! this thing is pure! how is that possible?'
and another will go 'shit... there's no Essence in here!'

[twin dragon]

This is true

i was there

[stray grove]

This fandom has three jokes

[gentle aspen]

no memes

[twin dragon]

i saw it

[gentle aspen]

😐

Not this again dude

[twin dragon]

All since the beggining of time btw

[craggy smelt]

it will be that exact dialogue, mark my words

[twin dragon]

the same old ass jokes

[hazy fossil]

so im supesed to place it in discusion or help?

[gentle aspen]

I don’t even think silksong brought new jokes

[gentle aspen]

in the meme channel dawg

[twin dragon]

I loved the steel master zhrun fight, it's hard but its a spectacle its so good

[twilit crest]

Lore jokes aren’t allowed in the lore channel 💔

[stray grove]

Well in my version the Shaman was more of the rebound guy the AC bug was previously in a relationship with the Steel Wyrm who ruled the area and was later deposed and compressed by the other masters I was just getting to that part if you hadn’t rudely interrupted me

[twilit crest]

They take it pretty seriously for some reason

[sinful nimbus]

Great minds think alike

[stray grove]

He was also a lava snail and commanded air spirits/sylphs

[twilit crest]

Maybe in a few months the vibe will shift

[twin dragon]

Also lost ari gibson is also great

[hazy fossil]

what if im serious

[gentle aspen]

it’s not a matter of vibes it’s a matter of channel rules

[twilit crest]

Sadness consume you

[sinful nimbus]

You can post memes they just need to be funny

[gentle aspen]

people make jokes
memes and reaction gifs aren’t allowed

[sinful nimbus]

IE broken vessel gender

As in saying its genderless because that's baseless

[gentle aspen]

your basis is graig

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah and what's their basis

Vibes?

[stray grove]

Ok but BV being genderless is actually baseless

[twin dragon]

Very funny indeed

[twilit crest]

Memes must be approved by the council or else we dip your toes in sand maggots

[gentle aspen]

I am aware

however star asserts them being female based on a graig comment

[twin dragon]

iirc aren't vessels genderless

[sinful nimbus]

"them"

[stray grove]

And I agree

[gentle aspen]

The protagonist is

[sinful nimbus]

That's a girl vro

[twin dragon]

like that's the whole thing

[twilit crest]

Is there an argument for bv having any gender?

[gentle aspen]

Thk is

[twin dragon]

White lady even mentions hornet as "the gendered child" as if she was some sort of speciality

[sinful nimbus]

Broken Vessel has wavy horns like her mother

[gentle aspen]

The rest were supposed to be

[twilit crest]

Good point

[gentle aspen]

Wl also notes us as pure

[twilit crest]

Right

[gentle aspen]

no vessel is “made out of void”

[sinful nimbus]

So wavy====gir straight curves=boy mixed horns=intersex

[gentle aspen]

They have void within them

[twilit crest]

I don’t really see any vessel being gendered. So it’s logical to assume it’s genderless

[sinful nimbus]

But BV could be trans tbf

[sinful nimbus]

What kinda logic is this?

[gentle aspen]

We only see two living vessels

[twilit crest]

The absence of gender is genderless

[gentle aspen]

And the ones that claim all to be genderless had an agenda

[twin dragon]

Forcibly chopped horns

[sinful nimbus]

"I don't see a horn huskhead gendered therefore they're all genderless"

[twilit crest]

Unless there’s a secret base gender

[sinful nimbus]

Absence of gender is baseless though

[whole holly]

Distinction is meaningless because everyone can infer that from context seeing as vessels have shells

[twin dragon]

Hornless vessel when

[sinful nimbus]

That's not the default assumption

[gentle aspen]

because the point was to have vessels be blank effectively robots

[twilit crest]

So is there proof that bv is gendered?

[sinful nimbus]

The word of a former team cherry employee yes

[gentle aspen]

They’re not made of void mate their shells are all biological

[twilit crest]

Link

[gentle aspen]

graig literally doesn’t want to be taken as a lore source

[sinful nimbus]

HYAA

[twin dragon]

White lady referring to hornet as "the gendered child"

[sinful nimbus]

Don't care

[twilit crest]

Haha that got me laughing

[sinful nimbus]

Serpit regretted posting the godhome comment and we still post that

[stray grove]

To elaborate on this, TK and TK are apparently genderless but it’s TC conflating sex and gender this comes from TC saying so directly and not actually very well supported by the in game evidence
Everything we know about vessels (specifically the fact that they aren’t actually pure) means nothing should preventthem from having gender identities

[gentle aspen]

I don’t

[sinful nimbus]

here you gothoughh

[stray grove]

That comment was MEANINGLESS

[twilit crest]

But yeah nah until I see hard proof that bv-or any vessel for that matter—is explicitly gendered then I don’t see why it’s a stretch to assume they’re genderless

[stray grove]

WHY DID WE POST IT

[gentle aspen]

He literally got the role removed to stop stuff like this from happening

[twin dragon]

Is the void a guy or a girl

[twilit crest]

Are we supposed to be taking this at face

[stray grove]

WE ALREADY KNEW GSM WAS AFTER P5

Also serpit is a Hornet Voider lmao

[sinful nimbus]

The wiki uses it

[stray grove]

Lmao citing wiki good one pal

[twilit crest]

Wiki needs edits out the wazoo

[stray grove]

Yeah like Phantom gender

[twilit crest]

Someone should go do that

[gentle aspen]

Wiki aint a source

[sinful nimbus]

I've seewn you post ts dawg

don't lie to me

[gentle aspen]

no real point

[stray grove]

I have posted it I’ve also repeatedly said we don’t need it which I’m sure you’ve also seen

[gentle aspen]

you’ll either get shot down or get embroiled in an obnoxious argument

[twilit crest]

Just like here lmao

[sinful nimbus]

The wiki staff are fairly reasonable

[gentle aspen]

🧢

[twilit crest]

I’m sure they’ll take an edit with a source

[sinful nimbus]

I'm sure if this was brought to their attention they would change it

[stray grove]

You should be the one to do it

[twilit crest]

Sensibility is a virtue

[gentle aspen]

you already know why that isn’t the case star

[stray grove]

This community needs a hero

[sinful nimbus]

And if there was an obnoxious argument the mods would promptly shut it down

[stray grove]

Transsexual tapeworm instead of complaining about wiki needing changes why don’t you actually help

[twilit crest]

I guess we just let things stay as they are lmao

[cedar skiff]

hey guys

[lone folio]

Yeah like... Anyone but me

[gentle aspen]

Pot and kettle

[cedar skiff]

whats the discussion

[gentle aspen]

nothing rn

[muted lantern]

Is there another pronoun debate happening?

[twilit crest]

<@&283547423706447872> this guy has continued to harass me after I told him to stop several times.

[stray grove]

You of all people know that’s not true and I’ve actually brought about more wiki changes than the lot of you lmao

[twilit crest]

I blocked him a while ago and he’s still going off

[sinful nimbus]

me too

[whole holly]

Vessels are sexless and they don’t think to extent enough to develop gender identity, they are fetuses with void and shell

[stray grove]

Me three

[twilit crest]

Right

[cedar skiff]

oh its gender discourse

awesome

[gentle aspen]

Wdym they don’t think

They do

[twilit crest]

Ghost itself hasnt really been given a gender like that in game.

[halcyon merlin]

phantom jumpscare

[lone folio]

Vessel gender lore has put as back decades in lore discussion

[gentle aspen]

yes because we are told they are genderless

[whole holly]

Not to extent that would give them gender , they can’t express it unless assigned

[twilit crest]

We are in agreement

[gentle aspen]

you don’t need to be assigned gender to express it

[halcyon merlin]

why are u guys discussing about vessels gender

[whole holly]

No known vessel expresses gender, end of discussion

[twilit crest]

I’m confused. Is there something wrong with this topic that is unique to any other people fight over

[gentle aspen]

yes because one of them is confirmed genderless and the other was explicitly raised to be blank

[twilit crest]

Or is the G word just a problem itself

[whole holly]

They can’t express it either, their thought are limited

[halcyon merlin]

i don't understand what you mean

[gentle aspen]

Their thought isn’t limited

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom isn't evil

[gentle aspen]

That’s baseless

[twilit crest]

You don’t understand my question?

[sinful nimbus]

she's a girl

[halcyon merlin]

🔥

[halcyon merlin]

no

[whole holly]

Their sex is underdeveloped at best

[cedar skiff]

team cherry play 4d woke chess

[gentle aspen]

sex and gender aren’t the same thing

[twilit crest]

Ok dwai then

[halcyon merlin]

i have no idea what that acronym means

[twilit crest]

Dont worry about it

[gentle aspen]

I am aware tc most likely conflated them but as things stand they aint the same

[halcyon merlin]

ah ok

[whole holly]

It is , their mind is significantly reduced, they can’t speak , they are dead

[twilit crest]

Yeah it wasn’t a big deal anyways

[gentle aspen]

okay but what does the acronym mean

[balmy reef]

Sorry what’s going on

[gentle aspen]

their mind isn’t reduced

[stray grove]

That they conflated them doesn’t matter that much

[twilit crest]

check pings

[stray grove]

Gendered child and allat

But I ofc agree Joker

I think TC didn’t handle that amazingly

[whole holly]

How so, all of shade dream nail is “…”

[balmy reef]

Yeah I read up I’m still not sure

[stray grove]

But it was a convenient response to give

[gentle aspen]

you can’t dream nail shades

[whole holly]

?

[twilit crest]

Can I dm? Talking about it in public chat would only cause inflammation

[sinful nimbus]

Nothing

[balmy reef]

Is it the Graig comment?

[sinful nimbus]

NO

[whole holly]

Siblings

[gentle aspen]

you can’t dream nail them either

[stray grove]

They were complaining about wiki issues so I told them to go through the proper channels if they had a problem rather than diluting chat with off topic stuff

[gentle aspen]

They have no readable dialogue

[whole holly]

?

[twilit crest]

Is talking about lore wikis not off topic either? Jfc man what is

[whole holly]

Supports reduced mind

[stray grove]

Its not relevant to lore no

[gentle aspen]

no it doesn’t

[stray grove]

Also it’s a public wiki you can edit and it has a discord

Complaining about it here is not constructive

[gentle aspen]

You are whacking a void being with a sword made of light

[whole holly]

Not valid argument, reasoning denied

[twilit crest]

The conversation about lore that someone cited a lore wiki about isn’t about lore…

[cedar skiff]

i find this enemy so interesting because its like, so close to the weavers and even hornet comments on their techniques baring similarities but its not even relevant

[gentle aspen]

excuse me?

[whole holly]

And?

[gentle aspen]

…

[whole holly]

You are excused

[twilit crest]

See what I mean mod? He’s been harassing me nonstop

I already blocked but it’s so spammy

[gentle aspen]

He’s telling you to go to the wiki server if you wish to change the wiki

[whole holly]

Yeah that’s siblings dream nail dialogue

[gentle aspen]

‘S not harassment

[gentle aspen]

No, it ISNT

[twilit crest]

But why me? I wasn’t even the only/first person to say the wiki was flawed

[cedar skiff]

like

[balmy reef]

I’m ngl this does not feel like harassment it just feels like a dumb argument from both sides

[sinful nimbus]

I apologize for bringing up the wiki

[gentle aspen]

Well you believed you could get it changed

[stray grove]

Or just… change it
I’m not sure what meaningful impact could be accomplished from complaining about it here in the middle of a convo

[gentle aspen]

I didn’t

[cedar skiff]

all this sauce for an irrelevant enemy

[gentle aspen]

that’s why

[twilit crest]

The insulting and constant pinging despite being asked to leave me alone isn’t harassment? 😭

Do you want screenshots

[muted lantern]

What even is the debate here. Im so goddamn confused

[gentle aspen]

he’s not even insulting you
and pings don’t go through blocks

[twilit crest]

This is why I asked if I could dm btw

[spark valve]

Gang when somebody lies for attention the move is not to give them attention

[lone folio]

While the animation looks quite different it's still similar so yeah there some connection

[sinful nimbus]

The entire framing of the scene was so auraful in the trailer idk what they were planning

[stray grove]

@balmy reef you have about five people here including a former mod telling you this person is just making shit up for attention which you can also see yourself from reading chat I think we’re done here

[spark valve]

I mean their techniques probably derive ultimately from weavers

[lone folio]

I guess the weavers thought that the best guards would be modeled off of themselves

[spark valve]

The weavers did initially enslave the choir

[gentle aspen]

The weavers suck

[stray grove]

They suck but they kind of had to suck

[lone folio]

Well they aren't specifically guards but that is one of their main roles

[whole holly]

That’s shadow creeper dialogue which also proves my point and siblings can’t express gender anyways, confirmed vessels haven’t, no sufficient proof that they are capable of doing so

[spark valve]

Them sucking is not bad writing ofc

[cedar skiff]

they guard the cogwork core so i guess its of high importance lol

[stray grove]

Yeah no that’s what I’m saying

The weavers do suck though that’s a fact

[lone folio]

Pretty sure one of them gets killed by a weaver somewhere so I guess they are also general big soldiers

[spark valve]

The citadel ones do

[lone folio]

And the elevator to the cradle

[stray grove]

The ones who had to suck sucked
Almost like that’s a theme or… something idk anymore

[gentle aspen]

well hornet might’ve killed one in hallownest

[marble oasis]

And your mom

[lapis creek]

did anyone say anything about bad writing

[gentle aspen]

Depends on what a full chamber entails

[twilit crest]

Idts

[lapis creek]

who are we defending the writing of the weavers from

[spark valve]

Nobody

[sinful nimbus]

The weavers sucking out of necessity is like PK if you think about it

[stray grove]

Me I think they’re terribly written give me your best shot

[sinful nimbus]

Its no coincidence they are both soul mages too

[lone folio]

I mean I would find it quite odd if all it took to capture hornet were just the basic choir bug

[spark valve]

Just explicitly differentiating them sucking as a writing quality thing vs judgement thing

[gentle aspen]

not saying it was just a basic bug

she had a whole squadron deployed on her

[whole holly]

Conclusion: no known vessel expresses gender nor have they been proven able to

[gentle aspen]

we jsut dunno the contents

[gentle aspen]

????????

[stray grove]

Anyway tammo they all suck they also have evil genes don’t @ me 🥱

[gentle aspen]

“This other enemy has blank dialogue so it applies to vessels” is just

[twilit crest]

Genuinely what do I stand to gain from lying about this? You can see how hard I went to ignore you after I blocked.

[gentle aspen]

incorrect

[sinful nimbus]

Vessels are sapient beings so idk why they wouldn't be able to express it

[whole holly]

Void effect

[twilit crest]

I just want people to be respectful :/

I’m sorry for

Idk. Existing?

[marble oasis]

At least ten envoys and uhhh prolly some choristors and reeds

[stray grove]

Hallownest Weavers probably kept slaves since Hornet can’t imagine a society without them

[spark valve]

They all inherit it from gms but that can be resisted also @stray grove

[whole holly]

Because no confirmed case of happening and it is too late for siblings anyways

[lapis creek]

how can they inherit it from gms

[cedar skiff]

me when im forced to make an elaborate slavery torment nexus to trap my evil mother instead of just running away like my much smarter siblings

[gentle aspen]

vessels are not regular void affected creatures
in fact we can literally dream nail the player character and they aren’t “blank”

[sinful nimbus]

Well siblings are dead yes I'm talking 'bout alive vessels

[spark valve]

Through the silk

[whole holly]

Player character, does it count?

[gentle aspen]

alive vessels should be able to have gender identity claiming they can’t because two don’t is just wrong

[lone folio]

Hornet is probably the most powerful weaver they have tried to capture. Shes half wyrm after all

[stray grove]

I mean on a real every bug probably has the desire to dominate others this is a theme of the game and is true even in the case of the literal slaves in the underworks who try to dominate weaker slaves

[gentle aspen]

are you asking if dream nailing the knight counts as dream nailing a vessel

[lapis creek]

i suppose she made them partially in her image idk if i would call it inheritance

but i guess

[stray grove]

Weavers may inherit a stronger version of this from GMS

The Hornet evil genes could also be from PK

[whole holly]

No can we do that without cheating?

[spark valve]

Yes that is kind of the point but caretaker makes a point of suggesting it’s specifically in weavers’ nature too

[lapis creek]

yeah idk what hornet's source is for thinking it's a part of her heritage

[lone folio]

"trust me bro"

[cedar skiff]

i think the evil genes when it comes to overtaking gms are particles left over from the weavers

[marble oasis]

Dominance is baked deep in my blood, as too, no doubt for the one up top

[gentle aspen]

did you play the game and miss where we dream nail our reflection

[marble oasis]

She has Pale being bias from PK

[gentle aspen]

And go through our memories?

[muted lantern]

Wasn't there a qna at some point where one of the devs talked about wyrms being genderless at birth, and pk choosing one, I remember someon posting that once but it's been so long that who knows if it was real or not. Does anyone know of that.

[lapis creek]

perhaps

[gentle aspen]

thats bot real

[stray grove]

I mean that’s all they know but yes I don’t doubt that GMS has evil genes (and PK probably also has them since it’s in a Wyrm’s nature to pull bugs into their thrall) so Hornet has evil genes^2 that she has to work harder to resist

[sinful nimbus]

Its a dev note

[whole holly]

That’s egg shell dream nail, no one , no one think we are being dream nailed just because we have reflection

[marble oasis]

May I see it?

[gentle aspen]

yeah okay I’m done

not engaging with this anymore

[muted lantern]

so you've seen it? do you have an image?

[marble oasis]

why would the egg have memories of climbing out of the abyss

[stray grove]

Nika look what you’ve done

[oak palm]

Yo what the fuck happened here

[sinful nimbus]

Dev notes aren't really canon and it was just a member of TC asking another about what the lore was

the hollow knights have no gender. Check for hims and hes. Is the Wyrm King gendered? probably. or is it that when the wyrm took king form it gained a gender?Hornet is the Gendered Child. She can be referred to as female.

[whole holly]

Why does Zoey statue have grey prince zote

[stray grove]

We moved on from gender discussion an hour ago

[oak palm]

Oh gender arguments

Classics

[muted lantern]

I asked a specific question for this note, because i didn't remember its specifics

[sinful nimbus]

Someone asked 🙃

[marble oasis]

Because GPZ isn’t Zote

[stray grove]

Who’s Zoey

[gentle aspen]

your ex

[whole holly]

Can I hit myself by hitting my reflection I think not

[marble oasis]

GPZ is Bretta’s delusions, so of course he resides in the statue she made of it

[lapis creek]

hornet's perspective on the dominance thing is interesting

[marble oasis]

Dream nail is hax

[lone folio]

So the egg remembers everything?

[sinful nimbus]

I would say the name is too human but we have Eva and Mort now

[lapis creek]

she seems to believe when she speaks to varga that most bugs instinctively follow orders

[lone folio]

I must have missed the part where it was watching the entire scene

[oak palm]

Kratt is an actual last name i think

[whole holly]

Conclusion is that objects can have essence dreams and memories why would it be limited to knight?

[stray grove]

Mort is my favorite Terry Pratchett book

[cedar skiff]

mort💔 😭

[stray grove]

Death was peak Discworld

[lapis creek]

and seth

dont forget seth

[lone folio]

Excuse me where did you get memories from?? That statue has no memories attached it just has dreams

[marble oasis]

Because the Knight is the Knight and the egg is not the Knight

[whole holly]

Inanimate objects have essence in hk universe, is it really that surprising?

[sinful nimbus]

Seth be named after a guy Eva and Mort have no excuse TC were just feelin lazy 😭 🙏

[stray grove]

It’s obviously meant to be TK dream nailing itself what are we talking about

[gentle aspen]

It shouldn’t

[whole holly]

Seer talks about his dreams essence and memories are connected

[marble oasis]

And craig (creige)

[sinful nimbus]

Benjin

[stray grove]

Like it literally dream nails its own reflection on what is presumably its own egg to access its own memories

Nika you’ve gotta be rage baiting my guy

[whole holly]

Inanimate objects can have memories guys

[gentle aspen]

The eg wouldn’t have memories of the Byss climb

[lone folio]

Why would the egg have the memories

[gentle aspen]

And after we finish the memory OUR REFLECTION IS GONE

[stray grove]

Nika we’re not friends anymore I take it back again

[marble oasis]

Yeah but they have their own memories

[gentle aspen]

HMM I WONDER WHAT WE DREAMNAILED

[spark valve]

It’s not like reflections and light have any connection surely. And it’s not like the dream nail has any connection to light.

[stray grove]

You made Joker mad

[lapis creek]

the achievement description notes that you remember the past

[whole holly]

Not physically remember something but having essence that can be dream nailed

[lapis creek]

implying that you have experienced your own memories

[gentle aspen]

no but we’re just remembering the egg’s past clearly

not ours

That makes sense man

[marble oasis]

Eggs have feelings too man

[whole holly]

Why can’t knight egg shell have dream/memory related to knight?

[lapis creek]

does it count as remembering the past if you just see a recording of it and don't experience your own memories

[lone folio]

Oh yeah also when you hit the egg the egg doesn't release any particles it's the knight

[stray grove]

To answer Nika’s question objects can store memories

[gentle aspen]

It wouldn’t have memories of the knight after they left the ehg

[stray grove]

Objects can be imprinted

[gentle aspen]

It would only have memories of them while they were there

[marble oasis]

Because the Knight left it behind and never came back to imprint the memory on it

[gentle aspen]

Or if the knight decided to just go back and imprint shit onto it but that makes no sense

[stray grove]

And since this is implied to be TK’s own egg it wouldn’t be weird for that to be the case either although it dream nailing its own reflection is perhaps more telling…

[marble oasis]

Great point

[spark valve]

If you hit your reflection with a blade of light it’s gonna hit you that’s how light and reflections work

[lapis creek]

i mean it could it's just not the case here

[limpid summit]

Hey guys what are we talking about!!

[lapis creek]

leave

[cedar skiff]

i feel like eva is a play on eve i just can’t prove it much like absolom is suspiciously close to absalom

[lapis creek]

run

[gentle aspen]

It could but it has zero reason to

[marble oasis]

This is like the main clincher

[gentle aspen]

Probably

[stray grove]

Blackwyrm speculation

[lone folio]

Unless I have forgotten how dream particles do their thing but I'm 90% sure that whatever you hit produces essence particles

[whole holly]

Implying Imprinting memory is active and conscious process

[limpid summit]

👀👀👀

[gentle aspen]

I mean that and the fact our reflection disappears after we leave

[stray grove]

I think it’s the colosseum bug’s second form what about you

[spark valve]

Get a laser pointer, point it at your reflection in a mirror

[gentle aspen]

are you trying to get me killed

[spark valve]

Always

[stray grove]

Breaking Bad reference

[marble oasis]

if we’re nailing the egg why would an image of the knight have anything to do with it

[lapis creek]

this is the only way to see something in a mirror

[stray grove]

Why did I get snailed

Oh

Fuck you

[halcyon merlin]

because snail is truly a breaking bad reference

[limpid summit]

The Fly

[twilit crest]

What’s the topic now

[whole holly]

And mirror as well, mirror first in fact

[marble oasis]

do we dreamnail the knight or the egg to see the birthplace cutscene

spoiler: it’s the knight

[whole holly]

Guys I don’t even care about this discussion believe what you want,

[gentle aspen]

It’s cuz we’re not dream nailing the egg

[spark valve]

Obviously it’s the knight

[crystal marsh]

Ok then you're breaking channel rules

[twilit crest]

I don’t think the egg is made of sentient material so I’ll have to say knight

[spark valve]

Dream nailing the egg without a reflection doesn’t do anything

[halcyon merlin]

the knight is dream nailing his own reflection

🔥

[stray grove]

I mean the egg still holds significance guys let’s not completely push the egg’s feelings aside that’s not very nice

[marble oasis]

I KNOW

[gentle aspen]

eggs don’t care about your feelings…

[crystal marsh]

if it was the egg instead of the Knight, the reaction would be from the egg and not TK

[twilit crest]

That’s not a bad theory either. Actually makes a lot of sense narratively

[marble oasis]

It’s Voided I don’t care about its feelings

[whole holly]

This is disingenuous way to apply them considering way I mean it is context dependent

[gentle aspen]

I mean it’s not a theory that’s what happens

[spark valve]

Ok hen shapiro

[stray grove]

It’s significant because it’s the egg from which TK hatched in the first instance

[marble oasis]

I don’t think it even as them

[marble oasis]

This was really funny tammo

[stray grove]

Or at least it’s implied to be

[lapis creek]

why would you do this

[stray grove]

I don’t think it’s a random egg

They would be weird

Or maybe it is

[twilit crest]

How so

[stray grove]

Vessels are all the same anyway

[sinful nimbus]

I found it funny

But also conservatives don't understand art

He literally likes ben shapiro guys

[twilit crest]

Oh shi

Let’s say

Hypothetically

[stray grove]

Thanks for the upvote Nika!

[twilit crest]

If you had pale king as a baby

[cedar skiff]

did you just admit silksong is a work of art

i cant believe this

[sinful nimbus]

This was about Hollow Knight

[spark valve]

Art doesn’t have to be good

[muted lantern]

boil him

[cedar skiff]

true

[gentle aspen]

Silksong’s good aside from act 3

[gentle aspen]

I’d be a proud father

[limpid summit]

Could be THK’s egg

[cedar skiff]

act 3 is good though

[stray grove]

Too woke imo

[twilit crest]

This user MIGHT be infected by the radiance

[cedar skiff]

its just not as good as act 1 and 2

[sinful nimbus]

JJK is good except for the ending 🗣️

[spark valve]

Act 3 is whatever

[marble oasis]

And act 1

[gentle aspen]

Act one’s fine, just has a slow start

[stray grove]

Act 1 is fine but Act 2 is peak

[limpid summit]

Guys it’s like 2020 the family is all here

[balmy reef]

Act 1 is peak

[cedar skiff]

ive never seen act 1 slander before care to elaborate

[gentle aspen]

Act 2 is amazing act 3 is ughhhh

[lone folio]

I would have a fucking worm crawling around, I would probably put it in a jar and feed it leftovers

[marble oasis]

Steel soul attempts drain a man’s enjoyment of the early game

[gentle aspen]

anyways I gotta go wash dishes

[sinful nimbus]

If it doesn't stick the landing it ain't impressive imo

[lapis creek]

star wouldn't know a good story if it appeared from the darkness, picked her up and blew out the green flame that she was carrying

[cedar skiff]

ok thats valid lol

[stray grove]

Let’s calm down pal you can’t be throwing around words like amazing that hurts your credibility

[twilit crest]

This user MIGHT be monomon

[spark valve]

Act 1’s biggest issue is the rosary economy which is like an issue

[sinful nimbus]

So true

[cedar skiff]

maybe hot take i love that the choral chambers theme doesnt change in act 3

[stray grove]

Shell shards

Those are always an issue but mainly in act 1

[gentle aspen]

Shell shards lowkey always a problem

[lone folio]

If higher beings are born in any way but we shouldn't talk about this or lore discussion will be halted by another 7 millennia

[twilit crest]

You dont like the story in act 3? Shame. It was pure peak for me

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong has a lot of problems

7/10

6 if I wake up in a bad mood

[lapis creek]

i felt like the rosary economy wasnt a problem until later if at all

[twilit crest]

Act 2&3 story single-handedly bumped skong’s rating from 8-10 for me

[lapis creek]

act 1 is too early to say that

[stray grove]

I’d give it a 7.5 or 8 on a good day

[cedar skiff]

the only thing that actively ruins my enjoyment of act 3 is the void gauntlets

[lapis creek]

unless you want to buy everything

[cedar skiff]

genuine gameplay slop

[oak palm]

Silksong is the worst game ever made the only good moment was the fight with nightmare king kratt

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong needed more gameplay slop whyh is Act 3 all storyslop

[stray grove]

7 is a fair score but your numerical scores are probably arbitrary anyway

[lone folio]

The void threaded enemy thing is cool but is way too repetitive

[twilit crest]

I was prepared to drop skong after act 2 if not for the writing chops displayed by tc

[oak palm]

Oh and there was this guy whose name starts with a z i forgot. His fight was great

[cedar skiff]

it needed gameplay gem yes but not the same gauntlet but the enemies are a tumblr infection au

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[spark valve]

It was cool once then you realize the rest of the game is going to be like this. Fortunately act 3 is short as hell

[oak palm]

Why does act 3 have so many fodder bum bosses I don't get it

[sinful nimbus]

Who let the 7 year old into the studio to cook up void infection

[oak palm]

Otherwise i like the void stuff ngl

[stray grove]

Act 3 is very short so I don’t care that much

[twilit crest]

How would you change things? Be specific

[cedar skiff]

someone out there had to do voided lugoli

think of that

[marble oasis]

You got the cradle what more you want

[twilit crest]

[limpid summit]

I do like the act 3 bosses lorewise

[stray grove]

I don’t like many of the narrative choices TC made but as I’ve said before it’s a MV so that didn’t impact my enjoyment much either

[limpid summit]

Crawfather and Gurr are both peak

[oak palm]

First priority is buffing like khann, nyleth (lightly), watcher at the edge, and perhaps lost garmond

[twilit crest]

Void bilewater bosses in general sounds like a pain

[oak palm]

Reworking zango entirely or removing his boss title

[marble oasis]

I wish they would go back to normal if you got every single one of the void masses

[stray grove]

I think SS is a perfectly fine game with some issues that are pretty bad but don’t break the experience

[twilit crest]

I’ll accept that

[stray grove]

It succeeds in areas where a lot of MVs fail

[marble oasis]

Zango is fine you just have to use the phial

[limpid summit]

“No you don’t understand the game literally tells you to use the Plasmium needle on the walking nuke”

[muted lantern]

what choices didn't you like?

[limpid summit]

Maybe I just suck but I feel like that wasn’t telegraphed

[cedar skiff]

the cradle escape is a really solid gameplay segment and perfect tonal shift into act 3 i fear. foreshadows the entire descending plotline wonderfully

[marble oasis]

Shut up

[oak palm]

The point is that the fight is a nothingburger and yet he somehow gets a boss title

[twilit crest]

Absolutely.

[marble oasis]

Voltvyrm:

[twilit crest]

And the void escape right after? Peak

[limpid summit]

The void escape was fun

[sinful nimbus]

Metroidvanias are a slop genre

[oak palm]

Voltwyrm actually at least feels like a fight even if it's super mediocre

[limpid summit]

The shamans’ first appearance was auraful

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong is basically nine sols or deviator

[spark valve]

I mean that is kind of true

[marble oasis]

Awful*

[oak palm]

Cradle escape and abyss escape were very well done

[limpid summit]

Finding old Karmelita was awesome because you knew what was about to happen

[lone folio]

I would rather have some fights with lost versions of bosses. If those bosses had actual unique attacks and designs to go along with that because otherwise it would be worse then the entire black threaded mechanic

[sinful nimbus]

Mio will truly innovate

[limpid summit]

Lost lace was AHH

[twilit crest]

Studio Ghibli is animationslop. You’ll only like it if you like drawings.

[stray grove]

I don’t really want to talk about it at length but the short of it is basically everything to do with act 3 particularly the ending the lack of follow up on established HK lore mainly Weavers and a lot of the callbacks mainly Lifeblood

[limpid summit]

Discord is chatslop

[sinful nimbus]

Well yeah that's why AI advertises itself with studio ghibli filters

[stray grove]

THEY ARE

[marble oasis]

Appleegg is peakslop

[stray grove]

STOP COPYING ME

[spark valve]

LL is comically underwhelming

[limpid summit]

THANK YOU

[sinful nimbus]

It says a lot that the best studio ghibli movie was made before studio ghibli was founded 🥱

[marble oasis]

I felt whelmed

[oak palm]

This is just opinionslop. You only hate it because you think it's bad.

[limpid summit]

Zor is goated

[stray grove]

Am I peakslop… 🥹

[whole holly]

Tammo is loreslop

[oak palm]

Mediocreslop

[cedar skiff]

i loved the boy and the heron

[stray grove]

You didn’t say goatedlsop

[twilit crest]

I was surely expecting lost lace to have a third major phase. Not for difficulty reasons but narratively just felt kinda rushed

[marble oasis]

I like to think of myself as gemslop

[spark valve]

Is nausicaa really better than princess mononoke tho

[stray grove]

It’s not

[cedar skiff]

the term gemslop is beautiful

[twilit crest]

Hell no

[limpid summit]

This is my serious hat

[sinful nimbus]

No but I didn't make Princess Mononoke my personality did I

[limpid summit]

Take me seriously

[stray grove]

But I know you’re a HMC glazer Tammo

[spark valve]

This sounds like a you problem

[stray grove]

At least you acknowledge PM is better now

[limpid summit]

Sharpe is not going to be slop

[spark valve]

I like it but I’ve never said it’s the best one lol

[lone folio]

Call app is callslop like I can't even enjoy it without needing to hear my annoying ass friend talk about some important life events of theirs. Like I don't care man let me admire the speaker mode buttons detailing

[cedar skiff]

howls moving castle is rewatchslop but its really good regardless

[whole holly]

Steel Slop Sharpe

[twilit crest]

Oh lol just realized Tammo blocked. Oh well

[stray grove]

Don’t care

[limpid summit]

Besides summoned savior being unfun I think the integrity of the Steelhearts is very well preserved and they’re shaping up to be a genuinely interesting loose end

[cedar skiff]

the ogre didnt understand howls moving castle on his first watch 💔

[limpid summit]

Ogre only gleaned surface level themes like companionship and love!

[marble oasis]

SS has to be unfun, could you imagine if the best boss of the game was locked behind steel soul?

[lone folio]

I haven't even fought summoned saviour and I already think he is the worst boss fight in the game

[limpid summit]

Well the best NPC of the game is and it’s not Sula or Zi

[marble oasis]

Who

Skynx?

[stray grove]

Also cits is also better than hmc

[limpid summit]

Sssomeone sssave me

[cedar skiff]

i felt like the ogre during the september silksong aftermath looking back at it it took a damn while for me to piece everything together

[stray grove]

And probably spirited away

[cedar skiff]

but tbf there was no luxury of the wiki

that damn text dump

[sinful nimbus]

wiki ain't a luxury

[spark valve]

Yes it is cits is like top 3 ez

[lone folio]

Okay but it should of been a good boss at best

[twilit crest]

Wdym

[sinful nimbus]

I said what I said

[lapis creek]

it is nice to know how much damage things do sometimes

[twilit crest]

No I was genuinely asking

[cedar skiff]

is the hollow knight franchise wikislop?

[sinful nimbus]

castle in the sky is peak

[stray grove]

It’s pm cits spirited away

[limpid summit]

The wiki putting the featless lifeblood beast in powerful beings but not Mister Gemshroom

[limpid summit]

🦭

[lone folio]

The hollow is knightslop

[sinful nimbus]

Nausicaa beats out CITS if you count it

[lapis creek]

or like

[sinful nimbus]

I use the text dump like a man

[spark valve]

Nobody cares about mister mudshroom

[lapis creek]

what are the conditions of silk and soul

that took a couple weeks i think

[twilit crest]

Youre a guy???

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[limpid summit]

You cannot argue that he is not a higher being

[sinful nimbus]

I'm not a guy I'm just manly

[stray grove]

No

[spark valve]

I can will and have

[twilit crest]

Ykw hell yeah

[limpid summit]

On what grounds

[spark valve]

Him not doing anything

[lone folio]

Him just being a mushroom who flies

[limpid summit]

That’s his shtick

[whole holly]

I agree

[stray grove]

He’s not a higher being

[limpid summit]

He’s so removed from combat and rulership and above mortal squabbling that he doesn’t have to

[sinful nimbus]

"Void isn't power because it doesn't do anything" 🥀

[stray grove]

He’s something completely different

[sinful nimbus]

Crazy argument ngl

[limpid summit]

He literally exists above the beings that exist above all others

[sinful nimbus]

I agree with apple

[limpid summit]

Definitionslop

[stray grove]

Thanks for the upvote Nika!

[spark valve]

That’s not the same

[marble oasis]

I’ll never accept a mushroom as higher being

[limpid summit]

Why would TC make a vague definition if they weren’t going to adhere to it lmao

[whole holly]

Gotta ration it

[sinful nimbus]

Mr Mushroom is power without use

Pure potential

Eternity potential

Force that could deny time

[limpid summit]

Meet potential shroom

[twilit crest]

Wind Rises> Princess Mononoke > Totoro> Howl’s > Nausicaa > Castle in the Sky > porko > the others

[spark valve]

They make vague definitions so there’s nothing to adhere to

[twilit crest]

Oh damn I’m too late

[lapis creek]

meet potential higher being

0 feats

[whole holly]

And they say Shakespeare is dead

[lapis creek]

0 powers

7 cryptic lines about superior media

[muted lantern]

He's a being above all others once he rockets away. Until he lands at least.

[spark valve]

Ok let’s be fr silksong is better than undertale

[lapis creek]

they call him 007 i forgot to say that

[limpid summit]

This is true

[stray grove]

That’s not a high bar lmao

[limpid summit]

But deltarune is better than Silksong

[whole holly]

How could you

[stray grove]

No

SS is better than both

[lone folio]

I mean he can go from 0 to 7000 kilometers per hour

[rare light]

similat

[spark valve]

The name’s shroom… Mush shroom

[twilit crest]

Idkkkkk I’d put them roughly the same

[limpid summit]

It doesn’t matter uncle Ben

[whole holly]

One Shot as well

[lapis creek]

what is your metric for how fast he is going

[stray grove]

UT is slop DR is qualityslop

[twilit crest]

Undertale has better writing than Silksong but it’s close

[sinful nimbus]

I'm about as attached to Silksong as I am undertale

[muted lantern]

So very?

[sinful nimbus]

No

[stray grove]

Undertale doesn’t have better writing than SS lmao

[sinful nimbus]

I had more fun with SS though

[stray grove]

Undertale be like: murder bad

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lol where’s the guy complaining about off topic now

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Trash vs Garbage

[lone folio]

Guys I have a theory the only reason why mister mushroom is so weird is because each time he flies upp he hits his head when he goes back down

[stray grove]

Yes it’s actually a fun game

[lapis creek]

silksong be like: murder good

[cedar skiff]

deltarune cant be better than sk yet because toby fox could still trip on his balls and fall

[lapis creek]

genocide heroic

[cedar skiff]

like

[limpid summit]

Life or death for Mister Mushroomjak?
Life!
Death!

[marble oasis]

Kirb when he has to be told this

[lapis creek]

it's a very novel take

[stray grove]

UT is a shitty rpg

[limpid summit]

Under Tale

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At least it didn't use AI for placeholders

[twilit crest]

Undertale has a story that isn’t the most in depth but warms the old blood pumper. It’s a good thing

[stray grove]

ExpeditionGPT vs Silkslop fight of the decade

[whole holly]

What game did?

[lapis creek]

thanks for the downvote nika!

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E33

[twilit crest]

E33

[cedar skiff]

but the dark worlds in deltarune as a concept utilise dark goop better than the void in silksong

[lapis creek]

all that water for nothing

[stray grove]

Act 3’s script was probably also AI generated

[whole holly]

You are welcome

[cedar skiff]

more auraful use of dark goop

[sinful nimbus]

Its sitting in my library but I'm not playing it to piss off tammo and king to boycott it for AI use

[limpid summit]

Anyway Mister Mushroom’s poem places him firmly above the rule of Wyrms, which are tied to their own natural powers

He’s literally higher than the things that make higher beings higher

The ability of Wyrms to perpetuate their rule

[stray grove]

Yeah boycotting something by buying it good job
It’s not even allat tbh I mean it is allat but I think we might’ve glazed it too much

[limpid summit]

AustraliaGPT generate me an ending with The Knight

[sinful nimbus]

Well i pirated it to cancel my purchase out

[limpid summit]

What did I even do Nika

[cedar skiff]

lord of shades doesnt have this aura

[lapis creek]

as opposed to other games that you do not play because you allow fear to rule over your mind

[stray grove]

Thanks for ten downvotes Nika!

[cedar skiff]

deltarune does have infinitely better character writing whilst the worldbuilding is sort of lacklustre

[limpid summit]

Necro not you too

[balmy reef]

ok I'll give the dark worlds points over silksong void but it's not as good as HK void

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Idt they’re supposed to be comparable at all tbf

[whole holly]

Guys why doesn’t reaction work on some people?

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I really like the concept of dark worlds

[cedar skiff]

i like void goop

like

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Blocked

[cedar skiff]

its used in many stories

[twilit crest]

Deltarune dark world is more like a reflection rather than a source of power

[balmy reef]

they may have blocked you yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Errr deltarune spoielrs

[cedar skiff]

but it takes a good one to make black tar cool

[limpid summit]

We still don’t know what Ralsei is

That’s pointlessly ambiguous

[stray grove]

Nika I’ll never block you don’t worry

[limpid summit]

Imo

[oak palm]

The Roaring Knight shows up at the end of Chapter 3

[whole holly]

Even if we can respond to them?

[muted lantern]

Debating deltarune lore in the silksong lore chat

[limpid summit]

You can reply to users who have blocked you

[twilit crest]

Yeah Discord blocking isn’t very effective

[limpid summit]

But you can’t react to their messages

[balmy reef]

this channel brings out the hate in my heart

[whole holly]

Thank god

[limpid summit]

It do…

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lol yeah after people complain about off topic

[cedar skiff]

always go all in on hes just kris horns that they wore when they were a kid

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I’m sorry I wish I could help

[stray grove]

[oak palm]

Ralsei abortion theory

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Deltarune fans still debating if the asriel anagram is asriel

[balmy reef]

it's an unrelated gif but no one can tell on me

[lapis creek]

anagrams are the only valid form of allusion

[limpid summit]

Haystacks have I told you about Phantomiscarriage

[twilit crest]

@balmy reef this stinky user named @balmy reef is trampling on your sacred rules

[spark valve]

I mean that is in fact not an anagram

[cedar skiff]

deltarune theorists are also infinitely more creative and open to bullshit than people in this community but the deltarune fandom is mainly annoying 15 year olds now so that falls flat too

[muted lantern]

This channel is kinda a cesspool, lol

[stray grove]

Did you know Asriel Dreemurr is an anagram of serial murderer though

[oak palm]

No

[sinful nimbus]

wha

[limpid summit]

Fnaf???

[balmy reef]

"the asriel anagram" is ralsei

[oak palm]

I think kris is the knight guys

[twilit crest]

Is Ralsei not an anagram? I thought that was a long confirmed thing

[stray grove]

The anagram behind the slaughter or something

[oak palm]

Yes it is brah

[whole holly]

Silksong base rejects every theory to uphold status, DT accepts every single one

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I can’t wait to collect the tears of Dess fans

[balmy reef]

pedantry. who could do this

[cedar skiff]

its like tc want to drill really hard into our heads that so much is left ambiguous on purpose but people in the community are so insistent over objectivity over exploring fun possibilities

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I don't think hes asriel however

[limpid summit]

Both sisters were created post Citadel in GMS’s sleep

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when you realize DELTARUNE is an anagram of Toby Fox's previkous game UNDERTALE :EDPODING

[oak palm]

What if toby was awesome and never explains what happened to dess

[lapis creek]

why do i smell toast

[limpid summit]

Phantom was created in GMS’s Weaver era deep sleep, leading to her haphazard nature and GMS abandoning her

[twilit crest]

Sorry 😭 I’m trying my best things are just moving fast

[stray grove]

I think Ralsej is an anagram of serial and if his last name is something like murderer then that would be an anagram of dreemurr

[limpid summit]

The weavers were the ones who sentenced her to the exhaust organ

[stray grove]

Ralsei Murderer

[oak palm]

Like involuntarily

[limpid summit]

GMS began to stir during the Conductor era and purposefully made Lace which is why she’s more structurally sound and deliberate

Yes

[lapis creek]

anagrams are the height of subtlety

[oak palm]

I mean it's alright like

[cedar skiff]

kris is basically thk and the infection is the soul

[limpid summit]

I think it aligns with everyone literally ignoring her

[gentle aspen]

I have message deletion perms, necro.

[oak palm]

I still do wonder if phantom is forced to work or does it willingly

[limpid summit]

It was perfect

[balmy reef]

FUCK

[limpid summit]

Perfect

[gentle aspen]

probably forced

[limpid summit]

Down to the last minute detail

[twilit crest]

I’m wondering that as well

[limpid summit]

No yeah I need to flesh it out

[gentle aspen]

like what does she even do

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Phantom might be doing it for like silk or something

[twilit crest]

You can delete messages despite no longer being a mod? Wild

[gentle aspen]

aura farming on an organ is tuff but is that really a job

[limpid summit]

I feel like once she was forced but now it’s just all she does

[stray grove]

Everyone in the game is a slave

[limpid summit]

No one comes to check on her it’s all she knows

[balmy reef]

probably used to guard the back entrance but now it's unneeded cuz of the haunting

[limpid summit]

She just can’t figure anything else out

[balmy reef]

but yeah she just keeps going

[cedar skiff]

i always thought the citadel bugs forced phantom to work for them and gms saw that as a betrayal and decided to stop supplying her with silk

[spark valve]

She manages waste it’s not intended as an entrance

[cedar skiff]

also isnt exhaust organ like basically ventilation

[gentle aspen]

They made her a Garbage lady

That’s crazy

[stray grove]

What

[cedar skiff]

what do you mean what

[gentle aspen]

I mean like
GMS wouldn’t be able to do anything at that point no

She was locked up and sleep

[stray grove]

I don’t get it

[gentle aspen]

dude how the fuck does this timeline even work

[gentle aspen]

when the fuck did she make the silk twins

[balmy reef]

well obviously they wouldn't want anyone going in the way in that's not an intended entrance

[cedar skiff]

wait let me elaborate

[limpid summit]

Dude my theory justifies it

That’s why GMS talks about Lace like she’s the first and only child

[gentle aspen]

how long has the fucking gms awakening shit been going on

[oak palm]

Not related to fuck shit but i genuinely had a dream that male phantom was confirmeds

[limpid summit]

And why phantom is discarded

GMS literally had no idea Phantom exists

[oak palm]

Like forever

[stray grove]

Could be post cindril could be post sealing doesn’t really matter

[limpid summit]

And the weavers just locked her in the organ and forgot about her

[gentle aspen]

Transmasc lace gang

[limpid summit]

Conductors probably didn’t know she existed either

[oak palm]

Silksong timeline sooo fucked

[oak palm]

Ts silksong's trans ralsei

[gentle aspen]

it’s better because I came up with it

[stray grove]

The timeline isn’t fucked it’s just that having a detailed timeline of events isn’t really that important

[gentle aspen]

also because my reasoning is peak

[oak palm]

I saw it and it works kind of

But Not as a theory.

[stray grove]

HK didn’t have one either and this isn’t really the game for that

[oak palm]

As a headcanon sure.

[gentle aspen]

You’ll realize when act 4 trans lace comes around

[stray grove]

The timeline fits together pretty cleanly in any case and the bits that are unknown are negligible in the context of the wider narrative

Like who cares when specifically GMS made the silk twins, whether it was pre or post sealing

[oak palm]

Every character in silksong will be trans by act 50

[gentle aspen]

I care

because it somewhat vindicates the stinky weavers

they literally saw their replacements type shift

[stray grove]

I mean no

[cedar skiff]

the citadel Forces phantom to work for them

gms has her issues and as such thinks phantom is working with the citadel bugs to betray her by perpetuating the citadel like the weavers had

so gms stops supplying her with silk and this causes phantom to start fading

the citadel bugs as a response could have set up the rejuvenation tank phantom is seen in to keep her alive longer

but eventually the citadel operations cease under gms control and phantom starts fading faster

and kills herself in combat awesomely

[limpid summit]

I care because it doesn’t make much sense for the weavers to ignore Lace

[cedar skiff]

this is my theory