sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

I took a screenshot of it

[viscid ridge]

Yeahhe takes a peak when you play music

Oh theres a screenshot

[limpid summit]

Aww

[sick kiln]

GARAMA

[arctic jungle]

has zote been in pharloom??? (i dont know what channel to put this in)

[sinful nimbus]

Shellwood might just be the generic term for wood in this universe

[arctic jungle]

It might but we can always theorize

[lone folio]

I have seen a theory about greyroot being his mother but it seems to insane

[arctic jungle]

It does seem quite strange

[neon silo]

I had a dream last night that the radiance had dream nail dialogue that said “Sister…” so once I woke up, in my delirious state I came up with a theory about how GMS is the sister of the Radiance. Once I woke up in the morning I realized how that makes no sense but it was still funny to mention

But…

They are both background bosses

They both can shoot objects vertically or horizontally, they both can pull spikes up from the ground, and they both posses enemies’ minds.

Other than that the theory makes no sense

[green nova]

yeah twelve architect is definitely the last living one lol

[viscid ridge]

Either all wood in the hollow knight world are called shellwood, or (my preferred interpretation) there are more than one shellwood in the world. We know the wood used in hallownest (based on art names) are also called shellwood.

[edgy nebula]

im just now realizing, does he have bug corpses in his tent to keep soul like how there are corpses in the chapel

[sinful nimbus]

I think those are pillows

Maybe not they are segmented

[edgy nebula]

they look a bit rocky and gray to be pillows to me

[covert night]

not anymore 😔

[marble oasis]

I think it must be because you can’t have trees underground

[edgy nebula]

it’s originated as a joke theory and it clearly is but shorts creators keep bringing it up for some reason

[frigid belfry]

woah just saw that leaked sos video

[lone folio]

Yeah and then the hollow knight fans who aren't as well acquainted with the lore believe their insane claims

Scoot I thought you were gone

Glad to see that you are back

You should send the pale higher being thing again

It was a very good piece of theorizing

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You could but it depends on if you want to do that

[edgy nebula]

who do we think would win

the four (technically five if you include gp’s husband) successors

or the five great knights

[covert night]

ther will be no bell beast :(

[lone folio]

The who successors?

Like the old hearts?

[muted lantern]

Hmm, i think the heart bearers would be stronger probably. They all seem to have some pretty potent power over their environment and are each rulers in thier own right. Only isma seems to have anything that keeps her in line with the hearts but she seems weaker than nyleth.

[edgy nebula]

yeah, calling them successors is just cooler and more lore accurate

[muted lantern]

Plus we only fight one great knight and hes not that strong

[lone folio]

I would say white defender is quite strong

[edgy nebula]

fair, i feel like the successors would win too, with their combined power being as strong as a pale being and all that

[covert night]

we never seen five knights in their prime

[edgy nebula]

not sure how thatd translate in a fight though

[lone folio]

We like get to fight failed champion who is probably somewhat close to hegamols power level

[visual glacier]

What’s the discussion

[edgy nebula]

would the four successors win or the 5 great knights

[visual glacier]

The old hearts?

[edgy nebula]

yes

[visual glacier]

100% them

Remember that only 3 of them rival the power of gms

[limpid summit]

Wait I remember this discussion from a minute ago

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[limpid summit]

Clover Dancers are not strong
Khann is quite strong
Karmelita is quite strong
Nyleth is quite strong

vs

Dryya is probably fairly strong
Isma too probably weaker than Nyleth
Ze’mer is probably very strong
Ogrim is visibly extremely strong
Hegemol is stronger than him

[visual glacier]

Isma is stronger than ogrim

[edgy nebula]

every heart is strong

[limpid summit]

Knights would win

[visual glacier]

Also boss difficulty means nothing to lore

[limpid summit]

Noncanon

Look at Ogrim’s feats

And he’s not even the knight whose name is “Mighty”

Knights win

[lapis creek]

look at ogrim's feet

[limpid summit]

☹️

The hearts are strong because of what they command

Their connection to the land

They’re also strong bugs

But the knights are likely much stronger personally

[lone folio]

Dryya died to traitor mantises who are pretty strong because they are mantises (who are very skilled hunters) boosted with infection. Ze'mer has a big ass nail that could cut karmelita in half if she hit her waist. Isma is anyone's guess

[lapis creek]

they should have been stronger

[limpid summit]

Their status only depends on their own strength

[lapis creek]

but we're not ready for that conversation

[limpid summit]

Yes they should have

The clover dancers are weak

[visual glacier]

And karmelita would parry it

[edgy nebula]

how so

[lapis creek]

tbf clover dancers is only one of them

[visual glacier]

They create tornadoes

[lapis creek]

so does trobbio

[visual glacier]

He’s strong

[limpid summit]

He says “you’ll see me as I was”

A bum

[lone folio]

We are going for like them in their prime

[edgy nebula]

prime great knights, prime hearts, no armies

[lapis creek]

yeah so you should double what we see in the game right

[limpid summit]

Khann when the hearts are fighting GMS and Green Prince Usopp is shooting beans and plants 💔

[visual glacier]

What about the environment

Where does this take place

[limpid summit]

Doesn’t really matter

[visual glacier]

It definitely does

[edgy nebula]

i dont know, the surface or something

[limpid summit]

Ogrim beats Khann on his turf

[edgy nebula]

lets assume khann can still use coral

and ogrim has dung

[marble oasis]

Is this all one battlefield?

[visual glacier]

Yeah still the old hearts

[marble oasis]

If so the Knights win because they have teamwork

[visual glacier]

Combined they are stronger than a higher being

[limpid summit]

Anywhere besides some optimal combination of coral, Shellwood plants and bone traps that Karmelita has to manually set up, Knights win

[lone folio]

Otherwise it would be 3 corpses (or 2 corpses and a naked guy), one mask shard, and a stinky beetle versus a corpse of a grandma, some corral, another corpse and a piece of metal, and one statue.

[limpid summit]

Let’s give the Hearts a bone and say Nyleth is stronger in battle than Isma which likely isn’t true in any case

[lone folio]

Truly the match up of the century

[limpid summit]

Knights still win

[visual glacier]

Powerscaling is stupid

This literally means nothing because we have no statement to how strong any of the knights are

[marble oasis]

Why would we count them after Hornet intervention

[edgy nebula]

the hearts have the combined power of a pale being is the thing, which i feel like is a fair argument to make in the idea that theyd win

[marble oasis]

Where are you getting the combined thing

They all lost to her

[edgy nebula]

snail shaman dialogue

[visual glacier]

They all lost to her individually

[edgy nebula]

none of them actually teamed up to fight her, only khann actually tried to beef with her, of course they all died

[limpid summit]

I don’t think the snail shamans say that

[visual glacier]

They do

[lone folio]

That was a joke

[limpid summit]

Mighty Hegemol

[lapis creek]

they say power equal to the monarch is needed to cast the spell

[limpid summit]

Assumedly, Hegemol is mightier than the guy who effortlessly compacts dung and throws it

[marble oasis]

Yeah but GMS split her power to deal with them

[limpid summit]

That’s pretty good

[lapis creek]

the idea that this translates to combat is a little charitable but im willing to accept it

[marble oasis]

It’s not like it was full force Silk on the battlefield

[marble oasis]

“Equal maybe to that monarch”

[visual glacier]

“We could do it. The spell can be cast, with enough power, enormous power, equal maybe to that monarch...”

[marble oasis]

Must not be equal

[lapis creek]

they throw some maybes in there yeah

[spark valve]

gms is dogshit at combat anyways the power the hearts are containing is unrelated to combat ability

[visual glacier]

Ok so we know one guy was strong, we don’t know how strong

[edgy nebula]

“We could do it. The spell can be cast, with enough power, enormous power, equal maybe to that monarch…”

[visual glacier]

Strong compared to what

[limpid summit]

Yeah I don’t think scaling the hearts to GMS physically is the hill you want to die on

[visual glacier]

It’s a stupid arguement

[limpid summit]

She sucks

[limpid summit]

Clover Dancers who he would snap like twigs?

[visual glacier]

Source?

[edgy nebula]

well, she’s a pale being, and the state we fight her in is when she was weakened, the snail shamans also call their power enormous

[limpid summit]

You watch a guy basically mash solid rock and don’t think he’d be able to grab two dudes jumping around

Slap em up

[visual glacier]

We don’t see hegemol fight

[spark valve]

how magic you are doesn't equal how good you are at fighting

[limpid summit]

This isn’t Hegemol lol

It’s Ogrim

Hegemol isn’t even in the discussion he’s likely physically stronger

[spark valve]

for instance snail shamans quite magical, very weak in a fight

[visual glacier]

This arguement is still dumb

[sinful nimbus]

Shamans win anything with prep time

[spark valve]

ok tell yourself that

[limpid summit]

Meet potential species

[sinful nimbus]

@sinful nimbus did you know shamans can win any fight with prep time

[visual glacier]

There’s no source for any of the knights strength, just some random non shown feats

[lone folio]

Btw that same monarch loses to music :) (I know she just gets put to sleep but that's still a loss)

[lapis creek]

yeah when we talk about a fight it may be better to talk about how they can telekinetically manipulate bone and coral

[limpid summit]

There’s no argument that suggests the hearts are stronger than five beings handpicked by a god king to serve

[limpid summit]

Karm doesn’t manipulate bone

[lapis creek]

but theyre still losing

[visual glacier]

There is

[lapis creek]

doesnt she

[limpid summit]

She steps on pressure plates

[lapis creek]

what

[spark valve]

not very impressively that's how they do it

[limpid summit]

The arena is trapped

[visual glacier]

Source?

[lapis creek]

WHAT

[edgy nebula]

why doesnt hornet step on said pressure playes, the arena is 2d

[limpid summit]

You think Karmelita summons bones?

[lapis creek]

what pressure plates

[lone folio]

bonemancy

[spark valve]

if she does summon bones she's bad at it, ogrim's shit spikes are way bigger

[lapis creek]

ok the arena isnt 2d

[visual glacier]

Well karmelita is about the same strength as hornet, who is a little bit weaker than the knight, who is stronger than ogrim

[sinful nimbus]

"little bit weaker" 🥀

[lapis creek]

karmelita has about the same skill as hornet

[limpid summit]

Karmelita is as skilled as Hornet

[visual glacier]

Silksong hornet is stronger than hk hornet

[limpid summit]

Skill doesn’t translate to strength

[lapis creek]

everyone knows hornet is weaker than white defender because she appears earlier in the pantheon

[lone folio]

Oh no you just said that hornet is a little bit weaker then the knight. you have summoned the people who say "the knight is super tanky because he takes less damage from most sources"

[lapis creek]

(this reasoning is incorrect)

[sinful nimbus]

TK is stronger for other reasons

I don't see Hornet using void spells 🥱

[lone folio]

I mean common the knights defense puts his power level miles above Hornet

[spark valve]

just wait

[limpid summit]

Hornet is much weaker than the knight

[marble oasis]

It might seem crazy what I’m bout to say

[limpid summit]

Nailmasters all glaze TK

[lapis creek]

idk if the knight is generally stronger than white defender

it can dodge his attacks

it has shade cloak

[spark valve]

probably is a better fighter

[limpid summit]

Ehh that’s hard to gauge I guess

[lapis creek]

but it can't swim through packed dung

definitely is a better fighter

[limpid summit]

Anyway

[sinful nimbus]

Ellina says the vessels would have to be very physically strong to shatter their eggs so completely

[limpid summit]

Isma Zemer Ogrim Dryya Hegemol vs Nyleth Green Prince Green Prince2 Karmelita and Khann

[lone folio]

Yeah dung defender knows how to sink in the shit

[limpid summit]

Like for great knights comment for old hearts

[sinful nimbus]

Knotted Grove was Isma x Nyleth

[lapis creek]

i bet dung defender could do it

[edgy nebula]

can i ask a filler question

[spark valve]

you mean vs star you mean vs

[sinful nimbus]

Nyleth had to move to Pharloom so Isma won and is thus stronger

[limpid summit]

Yes

[sinful nimbus]

[lone folio]

Please do

[oak palm]

Are we having a powerscaling debate

[edgy nebula]

do we think khann has real arms under his puffy sleeves/spike arms or do we think thats his shell

[lone folio]

Powerscaling doesn't get anywhere

[limpid summit]

Probably his shell

[visual glacier]

That’s his shell

[oak palm]

Shell

I don't think he's wearing anything

[limpid summit]

He’s just hella built

[visual glacier]

Ogrim is a shit merchant

[limpid summit]

If he can swim through shit tough enough to live in he can swim through far fields or verdania

[lone folio]

Like if about idk 50 Weavers on harps can put a god to sleep imagine what one industrial sized music box could do

Big ass music box litterly solos shade lord

[limpid summit]

Here for all you Heart lovers we can place the fight in Coral Tower

Otherwise Khann isnt doing all that much

[visual glacier]

Literally cogwork core btw

[spark valve]

ogrim probably uses coral better than khann lol

[lone folio]

Hegamol would make the fucking place collapse

[limpid summit]

Yep

[visual glacier]

Ok end the discussion

Nobody is gonna change their opinion and it has no effect on the lore

[lapis creek]

imagine being khann and getting killed by a ball of coral flying towards you at mach 2

[edgy nebula]

khann is nerfed by being behind 4 gauntlets trust

[lone folio]

Yeah but it's ass at its job

[visual glacier]

It worked

[spark valve]

khann is a fraud his so called control involves just randomly spawning pillars that miss

[lone folio]

Gms got out I don't think that's a win

[spark valve]

ogrim would just spike a ball of coral into his skull

[limpid summit]

Boss difficulty doesn’t translate but like

Jeez

[edgy nebula]

to be fair khann is gifted

[limpid summit]

He’s supposed to be a warlord

[edgy nebula]

karak gors have lived in their tower their whole life and they can spawn only small spikes

[visual glacier]

You’re taking away his army

[edgy nebula]

khann is simply a gifted kid

[spark valve]

pharloom is full of frauds

[limpid summit]

Why would we add his army???

[lone folio]

Yeah, khanns real power were the friends he made along the way

[visual glacier]

I’m not saying you should

[sinful nimbus]

Khann such a letdown

[visual glacier]

He’s extremely skilled as a warlord is what I’m saying

[limpid summit]

Imagine he’s trying to discipline a weakling Karaka by hitting him with coral and the dude just steps two paces to the left while the coral is charging up

[sinful nimbus]

I don't even care about the difficulty but a mighty warrior king should use his physical might instead of magic coral

[lapis creek]

dryya would solo khann's army

[fathom parrot]

Ok i finished the game now i can talk about lore

[spark valve]

probably

[lone folio]

Yeah like then ze'mer gets her girlfriend into the fight and we know that she fucking solos everyone

[lapis creek]

clearly you didnt learn hollow knight's message about toxic masculinity

[fathom parrot]

So, is gms the big bad or is it silk?

[limpid summit]

Is he actually on bug Synthol

Is that why his biceps and legs are so round

He’s not physically mighty

[lone folio]

dryya getting absolutely destroyed by like 10 traitor mantises

[spark valve]

traitor mantises would also tear through karak

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[lapis creek]

dryya survived for centuries and single handedly kept the nailsmith in business

[visual glacier]

Guys this discussion is going nowhere

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong is about femininity though the men can be strong there

[lapis creek]

what

[sinful nimbus]

And Khann is a bad guy

[limpid summit]

Dryya probably is stronger than we can see but benefit of the doubt she’s the weakest idk

[lone folio]

We don't know how long she has been dead for

[spark valve]

yap yap yap

[lone folio]

What

[lapis creek]

white lady thinks shes still alive

[limpid summit]

Now the real question we’ll be asking in a couple years is great knights vs steel assassins

[lone folio]

Excatly

[sinful nimbus]

Land of Gods residents will always solo

[lapis creek]

traitor lord vs karmelita

who wins

[visual glacier]

Pantheon of hallownest vs Dio

[limpid summit]

Karm

I’ll give that one to the bum heart

[spark valve]

tl

[lone folio]

Karmelita

[sinful nimbus]

Ever wonder why no one talks about old hearts in the first game? its because EVERYONE in Hallownest is an old heart

[limpid summit]

TL is just a big meat sack

Karm could probably blitz

[spark valve]

tl is in a later pantheon than hornet and hornet and karmelita are about the same so tl beats karm

[lone folio]

TL dies after getting hit by a moderately sized club

[limpid summit]

Common no eyes upscale

[marble oasis]

It’s a large club

[sinful nimbus]

after we beat him up

[edgy nebula]

who is tl again

[limpid summit]

Traitor lord

[edgy nebula]

ah

[spark valve]

basically khann if he wasn't a fraud plus supernaturally juiced up

[lapis creek]

absolutely but hornet has scaled up

[spark valve]

not that much really

[lapis creek]

silksong hornet > hk hornet

[spark valve]

marginally

[limpid summit]

Silksong Hornet is weaker

[spark valve]

hornet sentinel is pretty comparable to silksong hornet

[limpid summit]

She only jumps like half as high

[lapis creek]

at the start

[sinful nimbus]

I don't remember Hornet HK walking around all slowly randomly for no reason

[lapis creek]

but like

with red tools

[lone folio]

I have a theory...

[lapis creek]

come on

[spark valve]

hornet sentinel already uses a crest, red tool, silk skills

[lapis creek]

hornet sentinel's red tool is so garbage

[spark valve]

silksong hornet has more options but isn't that much stronger

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong Hornet is also mentally weaker as demonstrated by her descent into fascism

[limpid summit]

TRUE

[lapis creek]

it's not even actually sting shards

[spark valve]

it's better because she can deploy a bunch at a time

[lapis creek]

because it doesnt expand like the kilik does

hornet sentinel doesnt even use clawline to move around

[edgy nebula]

it's like just a ball with pointy stones embedded into it it looks like shit

[spark valve]

but she has the ability

[lapis creek]

but she's garbage

she actually sucks

[lone folio]

It's worse because hiring it with your nail makes them fly like baseball balls

Or are you talking about silksong sting shard

I can't tell

[lapis creek]

i miss hornet vs sly

[edgy nebula]

no its just spikes wrapped up with yarn

[spark valve]

sly

[lone folio]

Sly fucking oblitirates pre silksong Hornet

[edgy nebula]

"hornet has tool building expertise!" a child could make this hornet is a fraud

[sinful nimbus]

I was glazing Hornet so much

[lone folio]

And even in silksong Hornet would only have a slight upper hand against sly

[sinful nimbus]

Can't believe my goat is washed

[limpid summit]

Pinstress vs Mato (weakest NM)

[sinful nimbus]

Lost to like 30 citadel bums 🥀

[lapis creek]

half of sly's advantage comes from being fast

[sinful nimbus]

Mato is the strongest in spirit

[lone folio]

Pinstress??

[sinful nimbus]

Oro would probably fold if you paid him to give up

[lapis creek]

which is possible because there are no traps covering the entire room

[limpid summit]

Maybe a full chamber has like 80 choir clappers

[spark valve]

he's also stupid strong and his nail has absurd range

[edgy nebula]

which nail art does mato teach again

[spark valve]

swipe with it all the traps are gone

[sinful nimbus]

Sly could take them

[limpid summit]

Grindle >>

[lapis creek]

wait did they buff his range

[sinful nimbus]

The best one (cyclone)

[edgy nebula]

yeah mato soloes pinstress

[sinful nimbus]

Sheo vs Hornet

[lone folio]

Oh if he has cyclone then pinstress gets destroyed

[sinful nimbus]

Sheo has to win right

And then she'd call Hornet a dog

He's a jerk

[edgy nebula]

dash slash would deal 5 masks of damage to hornet

[lone folio]

Sheo with a nail could win

[edgy nebula]

grea slash i mean

[sinful nimbus]

He could win with paint tbh

[edgy nebula]

nah give him red paint and he soloes

[sinful nimbus]

Paintmaster is a fantastic fight man

[lapis creek]

it's too easy

[edgy nebula]

sheo in general is a great character, i love him

[lapis creek]

needs more void tendrils

[sinful nimbus]

I don't like him

He calls you "little grub"

[lapis creek]

bro imagine paintmaster sheo in act 3 of silksong

[sinful nimbus]

Grubs being the dog equivalent

[spark valve]

we get it star you're self conscious about being short

[lapis creek]

all his paint is just void now

[limpid summit]

What Silksong characters DO beat their HK counterpart

[sinful nimbus]

I'm tall bro

[limpid summit]

Wow they really don’t measure up

[sinful nimbus]

I just don't like being called a little mutt

[limpid summit]

SM stomps Groal 💔

[lone folio]

On litterly what basis. She takes more double damage in silksong? That's because the two games are completely different fucking games 😭 masks are horrible for finding out how powerful someone is

[lapis creek]

sherma

[spark valve]

like none of them which is to be expected when the protagonist is weaker and the power level in the kingdom is lower overall

[limpid summit]

It’s under 9000

[lapis creek]

shakra as well

[limpid summit]

That’s true

But does Shakra beat Iselda

[lapis creek]

no

[sinful nimbus]

I think Groal could beat Soul Master

Don't be a netherlord

[lapis creek]

thats what i was gonna say

[limpid summit]

Hell hath no fury yadda yadda

[lapis creek]

corny is in good hands

[gentle aspen]

No you’re not

[lapis creek]

karmelita beats vespa

probably

[limpid summit]

Dude if Groal felt victimized under the apathetic Citadel then the Sanctum would be awful

[sinful nimbus]

🤨

[gentle aspen]

Tammo

[spark valve]

soul master v groal is weird groal uh doesn't really do a whole lot it would depend on arena and if he has his guys

[gentle aspen]

what a bad man

I should ping mods on him

[limpid summit]

One of them can teleport

[lone folio]

Didn't know tammo was like that

[spark valve]

we can't have words these days

[limpid summit]

Problem is SM couldn’t dive into the maggots

[lapis creek]

cant believe tammo said a slur

[limpid summit]

Maybe he’d blast them off

[lone folio]

Yeah like what the fuck

[edgy nebula]

soul master is faster so ill give him that, groal kinda just floats around

[limpid summit]

This was funny I’m sorry

I glossed over this

I’m giving you your flowers

[sinful nimbus]

Groal isn't deformed from soul usage though

[twilit crest]

Can soul master resist grub debuff?

[limpid summit]

He isn’t?

[spark valve]

teleports, multiple spells, a stronger shaman spell

[lapis creek]

bell beast eats old stag for breakfast im sorry

[limpid summit]

Idk he might be

We don’t know that

[sinful nimbus]

He doesn't deflate n stuff

Idk why

[limpid summit]

Bell Eater vs Tram

[lapis creek]

gruz mother vs moss mother goes similarly

[edgy nebula]

no, hes bloated by bile though

[spark valve]

because he never got enough to lol

[lapis creek]

bro gms vs tram

[sinful nimbus]

he ate a shaman 😭 🙏

[edgy nebula]

he kills alot of bugs and harvests their souls aswell as drained a shaman of their soul

[sinful nimbus]

ts dumb af

[spark valve]

vs soul master who got a shaman plus a bunch of ac totems plus the bug pit

[sinful nimbus]

We're killing TC for this

[spark valve]

not nearly on the scale of the sanctum

[edgy nebula]

my theory is that groal is actually a supergenius and never misused or abused soul

[sinful nimbus]

"Yeah dude bugs can take spells and cast it its all fine in moderation"

[gentle aspen]

I mean doesn’t he have wings

[spark valve]

bilewater is just reusing sanctum because originality is dead but the scale is way smaller

[gentle aspen]

he just wasn’t far gone enough

[sinful nimbus]

Sanctum with no aura

[edgy nebula]

yeah but how does this relate to what i said

[gentle aspen]

seems like a mutation

[spark valve]

sanctum also has a more sophisticated extraction method

[gentle aspen]

just a beneficial one

[edgy nebula]

soul mutations dont add wings to your body you melt into a blob

[sinful nimbus]

"what if we made sanctum but everything worked out perfectly"

[gentle aspen]

soul master kinda mutated too

[sinful nimbus]

Why did TC squander slab and bilewater they are so peak conceptually

[spark valve]

bilewater is fine

slab is good except for like two things

[gentle aspen]

slab is good

[sinful nimbus]

those two things vaaaastly effect how you think of the region

[gentle aspen]

it’s hornet whose bad

[ionic quarry]

Still in act 1 but does this imply that Hallownest is on some sort of mainland and Pharloom is an island?

[spark valve]

do they

[spark valve]

no they didn't find it in hallownest

[sinful nimbus]

Well yeah when I visit the slab I don't think "Cool expansion of the Citadel's themes" I think "Wow ts racist asf"

[spark valve]

I think you're overstating the saliency of the journal entries vs all the text in the slab and the old penitent dialogue

[ionic quarry]

But it does atleast imply that Pharloom is somewhere other than on "the mainland" right? This text box is coming right after Hornet asserts that she's seen the blue stuff in Hallownest.

[lapis creek]

what do you think when you walk into bilewater

[spark valve]

pharloom is the mainland

it was found by zylotol's master out in the ocean

[ionic quarry]

Ohhh gotcha

[sinful nimbus]

I mean it is pretty noticeable

[ionic quarry]

That makes more sense.

[sinful nimbus]

And it shifts how the story is framed which you can see with all the weird people saying weird stuff about the flies

[spark valve]

I mean I agree that the entries are bad

[sinful nimbus]

Bilewater isn't as bad its just kinda weird how they recycled the soul stuff

[spark valve]

but it's not the game's fault fans take the wrong thing away when it's pretty clear what it's going for

[lapis creek]

broodmother quest is bad and draws attention to the entries kind of

but it still isnt that important

[spark valve]

that is true

[sinful nimbus]

Uh

[lapis creek]

it is kind of the games fault

[sinful nimbus]

You can't blame them when TC also talks about it like that lol

[lapis creek]

i dont think they were going for bug hitler

[spark valve]

in the game in its current state the intended takeaway is clearly not bug hitler some fans just agree with that which is yikes but y'know it happens

[lapis creek]

it's not the game's fault that people dont think outside of the presentation and come to their own conclusions about hornet

[spark valve]

you don't have to think outside of the presentation to understand that the flies aren't just ontologically evil

[lapis creek]

but it does stumble into that by presenting her as generally heroic and a force for good

[sinful nimbus]

They are treated as such occasionally

[spark valve]

Hornet: Will you tell me of those who guard this structure? They are servants of the Citadel, are they not?

Servants...? They too are penitents. In a past age, that caste committed their own sacrilege against the Citadel.
A sin long forgotten, but so grave that their offspring and the offspring of their offspring carry the guilt with them still. To serve here is their only hope of absolution.

[sinful nimbus]

Do you think one dev wrote all the good stuff and one dev wrote all the journal entries

[spark valve]

like the commentary is there it's just that hollow knight fans can't read

[lapis creek]

well yeah youre not supposed to take that at face value

[sinful nimbus]

I agree that the commentary is there the issue is that the game undermines it all

[lapis creek]

but i think youre supposed to walk out and broadly accept that hornet is a hero who will save the world

and that her actions and beliefs are not damning of her character

[gentle aspen]

okay but no

no

you wouldn’t get a single line of dialogue for this

this should’ve been reiterated

This should have been more present in the narrative

[limpid summit]

Tammo this was the first ult miss

Most players are going to kill slabflies and see the entries

Not many people are going to find that specific old penitent dialogue

It’s there sure

[spark valve]

one of which also says that they're slaves

[gentle aspen]

and they’re going to see the gross flies spitting at them and wearing hornet’s cloak and go “wow these guys suck hornet was right”

[limpid summit]

And that she doesn’t care

Without further reiteration its the opinion that will be taken away from the entry

Because it’s inflammatory

[twilit crest]

Lore chat fighting again rip

[spark valve]

I'm going to make the admittedly very charitable assumption that the average person who reads that is gonna still read the first part and understand that that's bad even if hornet also sucks

but hey

a lot of fans suck

[gentle aspen]

people can disagree

[lapis creek]

that should be true

[gentle aspen]

I don’t know why you keep doing this

[limpid summit]

Tammo I despise you personally

[gentle aspen]

anyways

[limpid summit]

That’s fair

[spark valve]

every fandom for something with bad stuff portrayed is gonna have people who have the wrong opinion about it

[gentle aspen]

you cannot put the onus on the fans for this when the main heroine does not show any care for it

[spark valve]

in this case the bad stuff just may be unintended by the devs

[limpid summit]

But yeah what joker said

[twilit crest]

There’s a line between disagreement and fighting

[gentle aspen]

this isn’t a matter of reading comprehension

[gentle aspen]

Yes and no one is fighting

[limpid summit]

When the game is through the lens of a protag that is apathetic and outright hostile

That’s what players will absorb

[spark valve]

it's a matter of reading comprehension and basic morality

[gentle aspen]

so I’d appreciate it if you stopped these types of comments

[limpid summit]

Especially players who played HK

[gentle aspen]

they’re not productive

[spark valve]

dude just ignore the instigators

[twilit crest]

Morality is wild

[limpid summit]

They’re gonna listen to the talking protagonist

I’m so angry!!!

[gentle aspen]

plus agaib

They’re the things you fight ahain separate

[spark valve]

to an extent yes most people aren't really doing critical reading

(most hollow knight fans aren't reading at all)

[twilit crest]

I thought you blocked me?

[gentle aspen]

People aren’t going to read journal entries to see if they’re nuanced

[sinful nimbus]

Well i have walked away from this convo thinking tammo is a bad person who endorses genocide

[gentle aspen]

so true

[lapis creek]

no thats me

[gentle aspen]

Such a pick me

[spark valve]

the people not doing critical reading aren't walking away with a developed belief that the flies deserve to be exterminated either they're just reading and moving on

[gentle aspen]

and that is the fault of the game I think

Doesn’t do a good enough job with that

[twilit crest]

“Just a disagreement” and people are saying stuff like this 😭

[gentle aspen]

yeah
they’re friends

It is how they joke around

[limpid summit]

Star is known to be completely genuine and transparent all of the time

[twilit crest]

Civility can’t be that tall an order

[gentle aspen]

the people who the joking comments are fired at know they are jokes

[lapis creek]

every order is tall for star

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[gentle aspen]

So yeah

It is civil

[swift needle]

What am I reading 😭

[limpid summit]

Joker I ||love|| you

[twilit crest]

I’m just as confused as you lol

But hey, status quo I guess

[sinful nimbus]

Ya

[spark valve]

woah that's crossing a line bucko

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/yeedacleez-jjk-memes-alan-bowe-gif-16479546024367336826

[limpid summit]

Did we already run through all the SS HK parallel power scaling

[gentle aspen]

can you please not put memes here

[limpid summit]

I had to eat

[swift needle]

Hornet after murdering the flies

[limpid summit]

Okay wait

Who is the Quirrel

Definitively

[swift needle]

Sori mb

[gentle aspen]

no one

[limpid summit]

Is it Sherma or Seth

[spark valve]

uuuh stags vs bell beast might be the only one ss wins

[gentle aspen]

not every character has an analog

[twilit crest]

The journal entries could use some edits, but I’m not sure if that’ll come in anything short of a full expansion

[lapis creek]

im legally not allowed to answer this question

[edgy nebula]

there is no quirrel

[limpid summit]

With you

[swift needle]

The people are making too much quirrel out of aerh

Seth is his own character

[spark valve]

in terms of combat shit seth but quirrel's dash strikes bypass guards so quirrel proooobably wins

[sinful nimbus]

Stag could just go to a bell eater lair

[swift needle]

Is this rizz?

https://tenor.com/view/scp-wish-i-knew-scp-wish-i-knew-gif-3623425954504276893

[limpid summit]

No wait I didn’t mean the scaling

[edgy nebula]

id say a quirrel would be a simple character that you see around the game that eventually fights alongside you and has a lore revelation, there is no quirrel

[limpid summit]

Seth has the memory loss

He’s a reverse Quirrel

[gentle aspen]

Sherma?

[spark valve]

sherma and cloth are close enough cloth wins that

[lapis creek]

a quirrel is someone who drowns himself

[sinful nimbus]

TC when they don't feel like making a backstory so they have to give a character unexplained amnesia 🥀

[gentle aspen]

you’re so funny

can we be best friends

[lapis creek]

garmond is the cloth analog

[swift needle]

Cough cough quirrel novel

[twilit crest]

I like Seth a little more than Quirrel but I can appreciate his role in the story.

[limpid summit]

Is Garmond the cloth?

[lapis creek]

i think

[gentle aspen]

Wallah

[spark valve]

zylotol and moss prophet just die next to each other

[limpid summit]

Is Nola the Zaza

[edgy nebula]

id say shakra's the closest to a quirrel but she's more of a shopkeeper than a simple npc who exposits stuff

[sinful nimbus]

Quirrel has a backstory tho

[limpid summit]

So true

Salubra and Moss Druid geek together

[twilit crest]

Seth has meta backstory in spades. It’s enough

[lapis creek]

flukemarm vs broodmother

[swift needle]

Why are we making comparisons to NPCs from different games they both are seperate chars with their own tropes

[limpid summit]

Seth is not enough

[gentle aspen]

that meta backstory doesn’t really help him

[spark valve]

seth is a nothing burger but oh well, rewrite hell

[gentle aspen]

there are many players who know nothing about seth goldman

[swift needle]

I think monomon have him alzheimer's

[twilit crest]

Debbie downers the lot of you lol

[spark valve]

well seth is worse than a nothing burger what's there is actively incoherent

[limpid summit]

His backstory isn’t awful but it leaves much to be desired especially for a character with arguably high meta significance as a backer character of that regard

He’s wasted

[swift needle]

Fym wasted?

[twilit crest]

A character named after a late fan is a lovely story.

[limpid summit]

His backstory is not good

[sinful nimbus]

Why are we saying "meta backstory" like its a writing choice

[limpid summit]

His character is wasted

[gentle aspen]

what is there is intriguing but it doesn’t have much payoff

nor does it land for people who don’t know about seth goldman’s passing

[spark valve]

nothing is done with him

[swift needle]

He doesn't need a backatory

[lapis creek]

idk if i want to use the meta significance as leverage to express disappointment with the character

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[gentle aspen]

I’m not

[limpid summit]

No ofc not

[spark valve]

the bigger source of disappointment is the riddle promising something interesting only to be... that

[gentle aspen]

I’m saying that the meta is lost on people who don’t know

[twilit crest]

The character created from the meta backstory didn’t write itself

[sinful nimbus]

The irl backstory is ofc very sad but we're moreso analyzing him from a writing perspective and he adds less then nothing to the world

[lapis creek]

he didnt need more screentime but what was there should have made more sense

[gentle aspen]

they kinda rewrote his entire thing and didn’t really do the work to make it work in the story

[twilit crest]

I can understand if you don’t like it, but I thought it was an interesting way to tie the game to its fans.

[spark valve]

'oh yeah he's just a guy who sits there and kills people because that's his job. Why is that his job? who cares'

[lapis creek]

the killing people for going to their own shrine is silly

[swift needle]

Some mysteries are meant to be mysteries so we can be curious about ofc seth doesn't have a backstory tc made him as a tribute

Seth isn't a char

[twilit crest]

Anyways

[sinful nimbus]

Why are we adding mysteries for the sake of mysteries

[swift needle]

He's a tribute

[sinful nimbus]

That's not compelling writing

[spark valve]

seth is a character

[gentle aspen]

and you realize how this isn’t a good writing thing yes

[swift needle]

Well ya 😭

[twilit crest]

What is objectively compelling writing

[sinful nimbus]

If a character doesn't make sense then clearly they aren't meant to be a character 😭 🙏

[gentle aspen]

If there were mysteries that led to something that would be fine

but they don’t

[sinful nimbus]

Objectively?

[gentle aspen]

They’re just mysteries for the sake of mysteries

[swift needle]

Well we know seth guarded nyleth

[spark valve]

don't take the bait

[limpid summit]

Is Nymm compelling

[twilit crest]

Be nice😭

[sinful nimbus]

Not bait its moreso a blatant lie joker didn't say objectively

[spark valve]

that's the bait

[twilit crest]

Blatant lie? Do you see quotes on my question???

[swift needle]

Nymm is cut content

[twilit crest]

Now we’re just making things up

[gentle aspen]

what

no he’s not

[swift needle]

Oh wait

[sinful nimbus]

Oh it wasn't even about joker it was about me lmao

[swift needle]

OHH

[twilit crest]

All I asked was a question about writing. The hostile deflection is a little of an overstep imo

[swift needle]

I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOU THE BAGPUPERS

They looked similar

Mb

[sinful nimbus]

See what I mean about lying

[swift needle]

Ya

[gentle aspen]

a question that doesn’t really have merit to the current discussion and can’t be answered

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway

[swift needle]

Nymm is pretty compelling ngl

[twilit crest]

So you can’t tell me what compelling writing is?

[swift needle]

He gets a sweet ending if we do things eight

[gentle aspen]

😐

[lapis creek]

tammo watching everyone take the bait:

[twilit crest]

Just say that lol it’s ok. You don’t have to make baseless accusations.

[spark valve]

[gentle aspen]

I give up

ignoring

[swift needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1425870583530524785/1453171655302975552/image0.gif

[gentle aspen]

He is

[twilit crest]

Some people can exemplify compelling writing and some people can’t. I’m not judging I was genuinely just curious.

Idk why we’re advocating the hostilities regardless.

[gentle aspen]

he frees himself from the supposed yoke of the grimm troupe and lives a life he assumedly wants

[sinful nimbus]

Nymm is uh

Why

[spark valve]

nymm is fine

[sinful nimbus]

The troupe doesn't do anything bad

[edgy nebula]

nymm is tuff and has aura

[swift needle]

Prettyyy sure nymm is an alter ego tho

Because he takes of the Grimm mask

[gentle aspen]

he doesn’t like what they do so he does something about it

That’s fine

[spark valve]

it is existentially bad because it's trying to artificially perpetuate itself forever

[gentle aspen]

“A song without end”

[twilit crest]

Compelling writing to me is writing that demands the attention of its audience.

[sinful nimbus]

causing no real harm in the process

If it did that the game would have a point

[swift needle]

Except there will be an end for the Grimm troupe

[twilit crest]

Easy

[gentle aspen]

No?

A major theme of the game is that forever can’t exist

And stuff has to come to an end

[swift needle]

They'll consume every civilization in the world just to fade away like evrything else

[gentle aspen]

Nymm is that in the grimm troupe

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but NMH is perfectly happy trying to pursue that futile goal

[swift needle]

Everything in the hk universe will come to an end

[lapis creek]

i dont think the grimm troupe is a good example of that

[swift needle]

Once the Grimm troupe dies

[lapis creek]

the things in the game should be used to communicate the theme not the other way around

[sinful nimbus]

Brumm sees a guy doing something impossible and decides to just kill him lmao

[swift needle]

Relatable

✌️

[sinful nimbus]

Well attempt to kill him

[spark valve]

brumm kinda just exposition dumps it on you but it is there

[swift needle]

Pale king gaslighting his people so they can't leave his side

[spark valve]

I mean he believed it

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe Vespa should've killed PK

[spark valve]

pk's flaw was hubris

[twilit crest]

PK was about his own hype

[sinful nimbus]

I mean he distorts nature so its only natural

[gentle aspen]

She would have gotten no diffed

[sinful nimbus]

A kingdom with no end... is no kingdom at all.

[gentle aspen]

neg diffed even

[twilit crest]

Wyrms are just like that

[swift needle]

Holy writing 😭✌️

Anyone wondered if there's a higher being related to the give?

Hive

[spark valve]

doesn't seem to be one

[gentle aspen]

No

[swift needle]

Ya

I figured

[gentle aspen]

Vespa is their queen and assumedly their matriarch

[sinful nimbus]

Vespa was an old heart surely

[twilit crest]

Could be fun but based on what we know now not rlly

[gentle aspen]

bum ass old heart then

[swift needle]

Eh I want mommy vespa

[edgy nebula]

is there a lore reason why brumm loses so much muscle mass after being unmasked (also i didnt notice he has a cloth covering up his face under his troupe mask thats cool)

[spark valve]

she's comparable to the others dude

[twilit crest]

I wonder when we will get Vespa boss fight

[gentle aspen]

they hide themselves in forms dreamed

According to jiji

[spark valve]

the mask isn't just a mask the whole body is disguised

[twilit crest]

Grimm for sure has an old heart

[swift needle]

I feel bad for the bug he's handling like an accoridan

[twilit crest]

Or something more powerful than that

[muted lantern]

he could have been wearing poofy sleeves

[edgy nebula]

brumm's idea of a dream body is unhealthy, he should lower his expectations (joke)

[swift needle]

Nah he has an unc heart ✌️

[spark valve]

it is probably dead

[twilit crest]

Mayhaps….

[gentle aspen]

No

He isn’t tied to the land in that way

he has a deity inside of him

[lapis creek]

joker you have to read

[muted lantern]

Hes got a nightmare heart. Probably a different thing

[lapis creek]

why do you always do this joker

[edgy nebula]

theyre joking

[gentle aspen]

even then

[lapis creek]

why are you biased joker

youre terrible

[twilit crest]

Something more powerful

[swift needle]

Also is there something in the game which tells us what splitter the nightmare and dream realm?

[fervent sigil]

bruh who worships a white spiky sausage 😔✌️

[gentle aspen]

and here I thought you loved me

[edgy nebula]

theyre saying he has an old heart. because of nightmare heart

[lapis creek]

no

[gentle aspen]

Nightmare heart ain’t old

[edgy nebula]

it's pretty old

[gentle aspen]

it’s fresh and spry

[swift needle]

The nightmare heart is a higher being

[gentle aspen]

You’re pretty old

Unc

[swift needle]

Like the radiance

[twilit crest]

I said “or something more powerful” in the very next message 😭

[fervent sigil]

if it’s old then there was a million grimms

[twilit crest]

Am I still lying

[gentle aspen]

never said you were lying

[swift needle]

Pretty sure the Grimm we fight is pretty toung

Idk if they share memories

Since it's a cycle

[twilit crest]

I’ll take that as a no

[edgy nebula]

grimm is a vessel of the nightmare heart so he probably shares memories yeah

[muted lantern]

Im lying i love lying

[twilit crest]

I thought that Grimm specifically was at the end of his life

[swift needle]

Next level ragebait ✌️😭

[fervent sigil]

is banishment or ritual canon

[gentle aspen]

both are canon

[swift needle]

Yes

[muted lantern]

Both simultaniously until we get information that collapses the wave function.

[edgy nebula]

grimm grows by feeding on nightmare energy and stops growing at adulthood, that's just when the troupe disappears and finds a new kingdom no?

[twilit crest]

Yeah but he enacts the ritual to replace himself, implying his current incarnation is at the end of its cycle.

[fervent sigil]

i mean just like how silksong said godhome ending is the true ending since we see a VGF flash

[swift needle]

Imagine if everything in the hk universe leads up to the big bads being the steel guys

[muted lantern]

How different is each incarnation of grimm? Do they look different, have different personalities? Or are they mostly the same. Ik they share a memory, but does anything change between grimms?

[swift needle]

Since they been observant of everything

Even the void

[swift needle]

Very similar since the grimmxhild we get looks identical to troupe master grimm

[fervent sigil]

compare fully upgraded GC to grimm

[edgy nebula]

it's at the end of its growth but i dont think grimm dies from old age, since the bug with the troupe inside it's mind can presumably spend an eternity without being activated

[twilit crest]

Probably similar with very slight variations each gen

[swift needle]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gets-vaporized-gif-10510675537236673872

[muted lantern]

Full grimchild lacks the red inner wings of grimm.

[edgy nebula]

itd be so funny if each grimm is different, the reason why grimm uses reaper crest attacks is because he likes to farm

[twilit crest]

I never said Grimm dies from old age. He’s essentially sacrificing himself to the ritual to complete his next incarnation.

[swift needle]

We yes WE are cracking Grimm ✌️😂

[fervent sigil]

i don’t think NH gives a fuck about looks, it just wants a host everytime lol

[twilit crest]

Ay YOOO

[swift needle]

Did i stutter?

[edgy nebula]

he sounds like he eats cheese graters and hed probably smell like a smoker

[fervent sigil]

if i was a female then sure

[muted lantern]

Is Hornet technically grimmchilds aunt since tk raised it?

[swift needle]

Even better

[swift needle]

Half aunt?

[twilit crest]

CousAunt

[edgy nebula]

grimmchild isnt tk's child just because they raised it, it's birthparent is the nightmare heart

[fervent sigil]

not the biological child
a half sister

[swift needle]

The grimmxhild want really born from the knight

[edgy nebula]

wait a second, why does tk get to keep grimmchild

[sinful nimbus]

NMH is chill like that

[muted lantern]

Adoption.

[sinful nimbus]

Y'know "You help me I help you"

[edgy nebula]

more like you help me you help me cause tk is just looking after their kid now

pay child support asshole

[twilit crest]

What’s biological to Ghost anyway haha

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think Grimmchild needs looking after

Its fully mature

[muted lantern]

I mean it's got a long way to grow before it's a grimm

[fervent sigil]

well yay now you’ve acquired a bat child with a sacrificial god within it

[sinful nimbus]

Well

Its nourished with all the flames it needs and the ritual is complete

[twilit crest]

A perfect Halloween!

[edgy nebula]

if grimmchild was supposed to become grimm to repeat the cycle why does tk keep it

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't need immediate replacing

[edgy nebula]

like actual lore question

so is the troupe just supposed to come back and take the kid back from tk

[twilit crest]

Video game

[sinful nimbus]

What else is Grimm supposed to do in the meantime

[sinful nimbus]

It can just teleport away on its own tbf

[spark valve]

it can just leave whenever it wants

[edgy nebula]

can it?

i didnt know that 😭

[spark valve]

the charm isn't actually it

[sinful nimbus]

I mean its not like TK is literally carrying Grimmchild in its cloak

[fervent sigil]

why doesn’t grimm give a shitting charming fuck about divine in ritual

[sinful nimbus]

It just summons it

[muted lantern]

Like the nightmare lantern for the troupe, i doubt it forces them to come. Its just a beacon to travel to.

fast travel target.

[edgy nebula]

huh, i never realized that

does that mean when grimmchild matures he can summon grimm

[sinful nimbus]

I mean heck

Grimm is a shapeshifter it might just be choosing a smaller form

But yeah theoretically

[muted lantern]

Does the nightmare heart have a gender or is it just grimm?

[sinful nimbus]

I think of it as a dude

It is just Grimm yeah

[edgy nebula]

it probably has a gender but i dont think its ever stated ingame

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe it chooses a new gender to roleplay as every cycle

[twilit crest]

The Flame Ritual seems important to the Grimmchild in a way.

Perhaps it’s more alchemical or magical in nature.

[lapis creek]

is "Burn the mother, feed the child" as tuff though

[twilit crest]

Like cultivating a familiar or homunculus

[fervent sigil]

grimm female?

[sinful nimbus]

Well it should be burn the brother/sibling/sister anyway

[edgy nebula]

well it is called the grimmchild...

[lapis creek]

burn the sibling feed the sibling

[edgy nebula]

one can assume it is grimm's-child

[muted lantern]

Genderfluid grimm could be kinda interesting.

[twilit crest]

I think it’s as genderless/pangender as any homunculus

[sinful nimbus]

You see the vision

And it chooses a new role too

Radio host Grimm

Not Alastor oh my god

Never mind

[spark valve]

burn the self feed the self

[muted lantern]

Im killing everyone here for reading this

[edgy nebula]

love how grimm starts out as a cone head

[sinful nimbus]

We can forget that

[edgy nebula]

conehead baby

[muted lantern]

THAT WASNT INTENTIONAL?

[fervent sigil]

if we take that logic then, grimm is a single parent

[lapis creek]

what

[twilit crest]

Lettuce child

[lapis creek]

i mean yes

but where did you get that from my message

[twilit crest]

Yeah I think so

[wheat locust]

"burn the mother"

[limpid summit]

To be fair

[lapis creek]

fathers can be single parents too

[limpid summit]

Grimm is plausibly the name of the NMH as well

Heart of Grimm

[edgy nebula]

i wouldnt technically call grimm a parent since both him and grimmchild belong to nmh, it's like nmh is roleplaying two characters and grimm is the father more like

[fervent sigil]

i mean “burn the mother”
it should be “burn the parent” or “burn the father”

[limpid summit]

Grimm the Troupe Master is Grimmchild’s brother

[lapis creek]

help i feel like im going insane

[limpid summit]

It’s called that because it’s a child not his child

[lapis creek]

apple what are these people trying to tell me

[twilit crest]

Grimm is a spiritual patron for sure

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[limpid summit]

You can’t say burn the father cheese

Because of woke

[sinful nimbus]

How it feels to have a stroke

[lapis creek]

oh noooooooooooooooo

[twilit crest]

It’s a ritual, regular familial laws don’t apply

[wheat locust]

wait

[lapis creek]

oh so thats why my arms feel so heavy

[fervent sigil]

wait shit they think i’m trying to rage bait when im just stupid

[wheat locust]

wtf is the topic 😭

[spark valve]

mmm toast

[fervent sigil]

you

[twilit crest]

What’s wrong w it

[twilit crest]

Who?

[fervent sigil]

me

[wheat locust]

I just can't follow 😭
I legit don't know what the topic is

[fervent sigil]

grimm troupe

[lapis creek]

in one of the settings their fire turns green and the troupe members all look like birds with antlers

[twilit crest]

We talking about the parental responsibility of Grimm

[wheat locust]

Hmm, definitely some sort of Brother that is a father figure or just protective

[sinful nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[wheat locust]

Or they are a woman, either or

[spark valve]

what an unforced error

[lapis creek]

several

[spark valve]

hollow knight
famously a series where everyone has to adhere to a binary gender

[marble oasis]

I could never ❤️ I love women too much

[fervent sigil]

grimmchild ≠ his child
Grimm is like a thing in the troupe rather than just a name

[muted lantern]

Hollow knight if it was written by vivziepop aside, it could be a cool concept. To have each grimm be a completely different person, though i imagine the vampire theme would always remain. I wonder what other concepts would work for the troupe though. Trobbio and phantom both have more theatrical themes rather than carnival so it would be neat if trobbio summoned the grimm troupe and it's like a acting troupe that puts on plays.

[lapis creek]

oh i thought you were talking about something else

[twilit crest]

Grimm has a sense of self, I think it’s fine to refer to him as an entity.

[edgy nebula]

grimm isnt actually grimmchild's father, theyre both technically kids of nmh, but i take it as nmh's story of the two

[wheat locust]

Yeah, Grimm is both a name and a kind of status

[sinful nimbus]

Vampire paladin

[wheat locust]

Grimm is his own being, but he acts as a vessel for the Nightmare Heart

[fervent sigil]

so you’re saying our current grimm named himself after his status

[wheat locust]

Or he was given a name

[limpid summit]

Grimm is the Nightmare Heart’s name

[wheat locust]

that stemmed from his status

[muted lantern]

Somebody should make a hollow knight if it was written by vivziepop mod. "You will seal the blinding light that plagues our fucking dreams. You are the fucking hollow knight, bitch."

[edgy nebula]

grimm's status is troupe master

[fervent sigil]

grimmchilds name isn’t “grimmchild”

there is still a chance its “poopy black bat”

[sinful nimbus]

This is how they wanted to write Hornet but they were chasing that e10+ rating

[fervent sigil]

nightmare heart is what it is rather than its name?

[edgy nebula]

lowkey, i still havent defeated nkg in my main save, i should do that

[lapis creek]

star if you could drop the f bomb anywhere in silksong where would you do it

[spark valve]

in a slabfly entry just to nail home that hornet is unhinged and nasty

[twilit crest]

How did you like hk?

[muted lantern]

If vivziepop wrote it she'd have even worse daddy issues.

[fervent sigil]

White spiky sausage i guess.

[edgy nebula]

its cool, like a 9.5/10, it isnt entirely perfect but im a fan

[sinful nimbus]

Sharpe maybe

[twilit crest]

If vivziepop wrote hk or Silksong we’d get Hornet in a blood red pinstripe suit with shoulder pads and nine inch sharp teeth

[lapis creek]

i would give it to sherma

in whiteward

could you imagine

[sinful nimbus]

Lace would probably drop an f bomb to sound cool actually

[edgy nebula]

"is that fucking steel assassin sharpe!" - hornet silksong

[lapis creek]

noooooo shes a child

[twilit crest]

What stopped you right before finishing Grimm dlc then

[spark valve]

yeah that's why she would do it

[sinful nimbus]

She doesn't even know what the word means she just goes around saying it

[muted lantern]

"A crude construct of my father's fallen shithole. Only a fucking idiot believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding. Fuck you dad"

[edgy nebula]

my skill issue

[lapis creek]

this is actually why phantom got put in timeout

[twilit crest]

Relatable…

[lapis creek]

she said the f word

[spark valve]

screaming about something called the 'fanum tax'

[lapis creek]

silk seven

[fervent sigil]

i still don’t understand how this is relevant to kids

[muted lantern]

I have never met a kid/teenager that didn't know every bad word there is.

[twilit crest]

Potty mouthed kids are pretty common

[sinful nimbus]

That's cuz TV is corrupting the youth

[lapis creek]

ok but the statement was about knowing what it means

who would have told her

shes a child

nobody in pharloom is that irresponsible

except for hornet herself

[edgy nebula]

i actually think the opposite would happen, shed never say a cuss word to appease her mom, shed swear like a sailor in the abyss though

[lapis creek]

and perhaps caretaker and sherma

[twilit crest]

The lads in sinners road

[fervent sigil]

whats so special about 2 numbers put together, has no meaning, still alive to this minute

[lapis creek]

WHAT

you take that back

benjin and crull would never

[twilit crest]

That wasn’t /neg

[sinful nimbus]

She'd do it for attention like all her other actions

[muted lantern]

Being irresponsible was the citadels whole thing, but they probably wouldn't allow cursing anywhere anyway. Its their Christian Minecraft server and all that

[lapis creek]

the c compiler in my brain has crashed what does this mean

[edgy nebula]

you get taken to the slab if you say the word crap

[twilit crest]

[muted lantern]

Phantom cursed in front of lace and that's why they got abandoned

[twilit crest]

It’s a tone indicator for /negative

[lapis creek]

oh but it would be negative if it were true

[twilit crest]

Up to interpretation ig

I didn’t think it was negative.

[lapis creek]

why would benjin and crull explain the meaning of the word fuck to a small child

[twilit crest]

Cause it’s funny

[sinful nimbus]

They'd just drop it casually

[edgy nebula]

benjin and crull are just humble farmers they wouldnt teach kids bad words theyd teach them how to farm muckroach guts

[twilit crest]

One would dare the other and joke about it

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but what if a muckroach bites them

[twilit crest]

Then they’re saying fuck

[lapis creek]

its not about saying the word

[edgy nebula]

theyd say jee willikers like any normal farmer

[twilit crest]

It’s ok I wasn’t being serious

Half serious

[lapis creek]

too bad

[twilit crest]

Benjin and Crull would probably get a lot of joy from the chaos of a child who says fuck

[twilit crest]

?

[coarse forge]

Chat who will win 100 weavers or 1 gms

[twilit crest]

Gms