sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

WL's goal is to have children the sex is just collateral 🥴

[twin dragon]

They all fucking died

almost

[sinful nimbus]

This trait attributed to her gotta be the worst case of fanon I've ever seen

[stray fog]

Why kill the children then

[twin dragon]

Which one are we talking about?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah that's why she feels bad...

[sinful nimbus]

To save Hallownest

[twin dragon]

She ONLY feels bad

oh

yeah i've seen that

[sinful nimbus]

yes?

Do you want her to feel happy

[twin dragon]

Slight remorse

[sinful nimbus]

It wasn't slight

[stray fog]

I can say "motherfucker" but I can't say "ho*ny"

[sinful nimbus]

She bound herself out of shame

[sinful nimbus]

One is a not necessarily NSFW insult the other is always going to be NSFW

[twin dragon]

motherfucker

[stray fog]

Fucking ones mother is nsfw

Can't do that shit during work hours

[sinful nimbus]

That's not what it means though 😐

[twin dragon]

why talk about nsfw

[stray fog]

Mr mushroom reminds me of the bald guy from no I'm not a human

Both of them spew random bullshit

[twin dragon]

No. It all makes sense

he visited me last night

I finally understood.

[whole holly]

guys, if infection and haunting were going on simultaneously, would infection be eventually defeated or haunting?

[whole holly]

and if GMS was also trapped in void,and she started Void Haunting/Black Threads Hallownest, will it cancel out infection

if infected bug was simultaneously was consuming Silk, Void, Lifeblood, would they be okay?

[heavy gyro]

iirc lifeblood mutated bugs aren't haunted?

so infection would probably behave the same

where it overpowers the haunting's effects

[gentle aspen]

There’s no way to know

However based on the way both function the Infection would most likely win out

The haunting, as caretaker says, is based on controlling people with the silk in their bodies

[gentle aspen]

The older generations shoved silk into their shells for immortality purposes

that was passed down through generations

The infection just requires having thought

and even then

the metric for thought is exceedingly low

[whole holly]

okay, infection requires thought, but also strong will/mind of White Lady can resist it

[twin dragon]

Though it only guided the haunting threads to their bodies, bugs without silk can get haunted aswell prob

[whole holly]

Radiance's Infection is stronger presumably

[twin dragon]

Depends on the willpower of the subject

[gentle aspen]

why

[twin dragon]

that's kinda what the caretaker says

[gentle aspen]

Yes, but that was only due to thk restraining her

She notes if freed “all minds to that pernicious plague” blah blah blah

[whole holly]

i mean Silk can be in environment like Greymoor, Strung to Serve showed silk threads guided to new pilgrims

[gentle aspen]

the ending?

Isn’t that basically a freshly fully powered GMS/Hornet fusion?

[twin dragon]

Yes

[twin dragon]

Gms binding hornet and smt smt happens

and gms is on steroids

but its a cut ending so we don't rlly know if its canon or not

[gentle aspen]

Oh that one

[twin dragon]

it seems to line up with the lore pretty well soo

[gentle aspen]

that ending is basically in the base game

the ending where you bind gms

Hornet gets overtaken after binding GMS and her mind is in trouble

[whole holly]

we meant that silk threads can be guided to pilgrims it seems, and maybe that would provide chance to counter infection

[gentle aspen]

there’s like

No basis to assert that it would counter the infection

Hell they’d probably exist simultaneously

[whole holly]

but Plasmium is stronger than Haunting it seems

[twin dragon]

not rlly

we're talking about the other ending

[whole holly]

not counter, i mean compete, since Haunting and Infection have opposing Gods behind them

[twin dragon]

where gms binds YOU

instead of vice versa

[whole holly]

Infection is likely stronger than Haunting

[whole holly]

yea, cut ending

[gentle aspen]

the end result is the same so

[twin dragon]

Nope

gms in the cut ending seems to have complete control over what she does

overpowering hornet's will possibly

while in weaver queen it's left out ambiguous

[gentle aspen]

not really

Hornet isn’t gonna control all of Pharloom with her strands that’s clearly GMS bleeding through

[foggy fractal]

hello joker

[twin dragon]

There aren't any strands in weaver queen though

it's just one big ass cocoon

[gentle aspen]

hi

[whole holly]

that's different discussion i am afraid

but i assume alchemist is not haunted after he is plasmified

[sinful nimbus]

i have a really funny breaking bad gif to post

[foggy fractal]

ok post it

[whole holly]

golden coincidence

Walter White would definitely be alchemist if he was a bug, mixing plasmium and injecting it, prolly

also Happy Holidays

[viscid ridge]

I hope to god we get a little silkfly lantern in the dlc

I know team cherry probably doesn't want to reuse old mechanics, but i think a little lantern would be awesome if we got one again ❤️🔥

[twin dragon]

That would mean dark zones

Dark underwater zones

[gentle aspen]

I’d rather not have dark areas again just for the sake of it

[viscid ridge]

Yeahhh

Please team cherry gods hear my prayer

And

If we do get one, it may give us a little more insight on the silkflies

[foggy fractal]

what if a dark area we have a light area

where its too bright

[cinder pebble]

3600 rosaries for shellwood sunglasses

[stray fog]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-discord-afrocord-pippycord-duce-gif-18105700748084691837

Bro is a moth

[glossy agate]

This moth looks like a termite/gruzzer

Or smth

Very weird

[silk dirge]

silkfly looking ass

[ocean crown]

More slavery for the poor silkflies let them go😭

[viscid ridge]

This is the type of shower thoughts the bugs of hallownest started to have before getting infected 💀

[jade terrace]

I was told that sk-lore is for both games, so dont tell me that hk-lore is for both games.

Its my theory

[viscid ridge]

I think those tendrils you see are silk strands. I doubt eva and the white lady have any sort of connection beside both being higher beings.

[glossy agate]

What’s like

The thing in the spoilers

[viscid ridge]

Eva and white lady

[lean temple]

Eva looks like that because she's made of silken runes. WL is a Root being. No relation

[glossy agate]

That’s a nice theory, but eva is a weaver so does it really matter that much ¯_(ツ)_/¯

It is said that she is not quite the weaver’s kin

But she was born in the weavenest so this seems pretty far-fetched

[fresh badger]

Theres nothing there dawg 🥀

If anything Eva is more connected to like sylph stuff and gms than she is to Roots

[spark valve]

wl is as connected to the sylph stuff as she is

but yeah eva and roots not really related

[viscid ridge]

My guess is the sylphean slugs are kinda like the pale stag

Like they have some sort of higher being status, but seem to be weaker and more animalistic in comparison to the other higher beings

[twin dragon]

Maybe they're just white slugs

with glow

[viscid ridge]

Yeah probably

[viscid ridge]

I think they kinda look something like this, but idk the specifics of it.

[twin dragon]

Kinda baseless, could be any carcass

[viscid ridge]

Based on the entrails their bodies probably are white. Hopefully we'll get to see a live one

[twin dragon]

But i guess i can see the sticky entrails fitting somehow

[viscid ridge]

Not really these are the specific corpses used where pale oil is found, they aren't used anywhere else in the game, so im lead to believe this is the thing the pale oil gland came from

With exception to the right one cause its a cut oil location, but the corpse is still the same*

[twin dragon]

Honestly i can see that

The carcasses are rotten and seemingly fossilied though

[viscid ridge]

But i think its supposed to be a outer shell. Kinda like how the knight looks when he has shape of unn and baldurs shell on

Or thats atleast my best guess on what it is supposed to look like

[twin dragon]

Well yeah but they're cracked and dirty n stuff

[viscid ridge]

Like this is what i imagine it would lool like, minus the knights head ofcourse

[viscid ridge]

Tbf they are dead

So those things don't really seem out of place

[edgy nebula]

wheres the 2nd image from?

[blissful harbor]

i’m no expert
but i think that would be a snail and not a slug

aren’t slugs defined by like
not having a shell

[frosty gate]

Assuming in the first place that the Palestag isn't just a myth

[frosty gate]

That technically is a snail, yes, but Shape of Unn turns you into a slug

[gentle aspen]

Yeah but you also have baldur shell equipped

Vanilla shape of unn just has the sluglike body

[frosty gate]

Which makes it resemble a snail, yes, Im kinda late to the party so I don't know what that was about

[blissful harbor]

unn is a slug

[frosty gate]

Yes

[marble oasis]

Paleness is more a result of divinity, not the other way around

Trying to construct a god out of Silk would be like trying to piece together the body of Christ from bread and wine

[plain gazelle]

i like the theory that the guys that pull the flea caravan are sylphean slugs. they disappear at pale lake, where the fleas suddenly have pale oil. and they look plausibly like those carcasses.

[twilit crest]

There’s levels to it I think

[marble oasis]

Palestag might not be real but if she is she’s a pale being imo

I’m not saying all higher beings are pale?

I disagree there

All Pale Beings are Higher Beings or stem from one

Pale substances however are a different story

All creatures have Soul

So the Pale Oil need not necessarily come from a pale slug

If only someone wrote a doc on this

Depends on what you mean by species

I wrote a doc mentioning every use of pale it’s in the ss archives

See I’m not sure Greyroot is a HB

[midnight zinc]

Higher Being is just a signifier of a certain level of power of influence that normal, presumably mortal bugs don’t possess. I forget what she says exactly but the White Lady refers to pale beings as a “family” or “kind” in the Red Memory.

[midnight zinc]

I’d say she almost certainly isn’t, if for no other reason than Hornet would probably be able to tell

[marble oasis]

I think “our family” she mentions is specifically her and PK and their children

[marble oasis]

Well

I also don’t believe Greyroot is anything more than some massive being’s arm

It is not the main “consciousness”

It’s effectively a sock puppet

[narrow horizon]

[midnight zinc]

You think so? I didn’t interpret it that way because she’s talking about the Everbloom as their only method to combat the void, and they were never relevant to the vessels or the pale king in the first game, they didn’t even matter to Hallownest or the Void until Godmaster.

[marble oasis]

Yeah so all the other means to resist it they thought worked didn’t

All they have to fall back on is that first light

[marble oasis]

Please elaborate

[midnight zinc]

I suppose this is true somewhat? Like the normal lighthouses clearly didn’t work long term, and the moulds were not a perfect method because the collector happened, and many of the kingsmoulds near the throne room melted. I don’t know, I feel like it’s still ambiguous.

I assume it’s the WL who’s the abnormal Root, not Greyroot, because she’s pale. That being said if all Roots were like Greyroot you’d think Hornet would know what would happen if she helped it.

[marble oasis]

Well there aren’t any other roots in hallownest

Although Hornet should have been suspicious when even WL has an insatiable urge to propagate

[midnight zinc]

This is true but Hornet’s knowledge of the world isn’t limited to what we see in Hallownest. She apparently knew shamans used Void but we never see this in the first game.

But yknow maybe we shouldn’t open that can of worms right now

[marble oasis]

Shamans historically have a fixation with great power not necessarily the Void

[midnight zinc]

He’s such a little freak, I love him sm

[marble oasis]

Thank you I’m matching with necro and mola

[midnight zinc]

I suppose that’s a decent interpretation but the way the shamans phrase their argument, it certainly sounds like Hornet should’ve known they’d use Void specifically. Like there wasn’t even a hint or allusion to its existence anywhere in Pharloom and then BAM giant portal to the Abyss.

[marble oasis]

The Abyss exists beneath all things

[marble oasis]

They say she should have known they’d use Void based on their obsession with power + the fact that they were trying to kill a Pale being

To be fair she absolutely should have

[midnight zinc]

Well if Hornet’s conscious of this then she should be even more privy to the fact the shamans could use a Void-related spell, which is what I’m saying.

[marble oasis]

But it’s not a Snail thing on its own

[midnight zinc]

Makes sense, I suppose a soul spell would do jack shit to GMS and Hornet would know that

[marble oasis]

Yeah, Void and Pallor are diametrically opposed, Pale King knew this very well so Hornet should have

[sinful nimbus]

That's not the only way to kill a pale being

The implication of their dialogue is that all shamans are obsessed with void to some degree

[marble oasis]

No

I have known your kind before, sir. Yours is a tribe that works and trades in power, and I am about to extinguish its prime source.

“its prime source” being Silk, who is a Soul being (Pale)

[fresh badger]

?

[crimson patio]

If the shades can be killed by shade soul what makes you think soul spells cant do anything to GMS

[halcyon merlin]

i mean does your comparison make sense

if shade soul is still a soul spell just powered by void!!11!

but anyways!!

no idea what is the topic though

[marble oasis]

Well

Wouldn’t Void just swallow the Soul

Even dispelling it with Nail strikes doesn’t make that much sense

[fresh badger]

The serendipitous sharp shadow shade cloak damage:

[proper plover]

is there a lore reason why the bell beast has no needolin dialogue? like all the npcs pretty much have except the bell beast, and specially beinmg one of the most present npcs of all

i know theres cut needolin dialogue for her but ofc no longer ingame

and is even more odd how even any animal pretty much, as basic as possible, has text needolin, except bell beast

[marble oasis]

It’s possible that since she isn’t compelled to sing, she isn’t forced to reveal her thoughts

She sings along of her own accord so it comes out as her own voice (beast noises)

[dry compass]

I am gonna go on a whim, and say the bell beast species possibly isnt as advanced in speech than other wildlife in Pharloom

[twilit crest]

I wonder how the bell beast doesn’t feel compelled to sing if she has silk in her

I guess we’re just led to believe Hornet severed all silk connections within BB

[ocean crown]

She’s the goat

[edgy nebula]

yeah bell beast isnt as smart as savage beastfly

unironically savage beastflies needolin dialogue is hilarious

[viscid ridge]

I made the exact same connection, im glad i wasn't the only one. It would explain why this poor sap disappears and how the fleas got their hands on a pale oil. But also there id a part of me that thinks this is just a coincidence, but its a cool theory nonetheless

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i understand what you mean, but i don't think its a shell shell, like the shamans, but more like a hardened exoskeleton. But also who knows, all we see is the corpse, so hopefully team cherry gives us a live one in the future.

[viscid ridge]

I doubt she has any silk in her. We only see her stuck in silk, kinda like kratt. But almost any other animal has silk in them, so my guess is the bell beasts were just too strong for people to inject silk into

[silk dirge]

top 10 bosses with unexpectedly deep lore

[marble oasis]

Everyone has silk in them, it’s like microplastics but for Pharloom

In the air. The water. Everywhere.
Inside their shells. Twisted inside. Guts.
Tightest around heart.

[marble oasis]

When you play the Needolin you’re either resonating the Haunting strings going up to GMS or people just sing because they want to

Notable because it doesn’t affect non-Haunted or Black-Threaded enemies

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i get that, but not enough to make her haunted. As far as i know we never see her haunted

[marble oasis]

Yeah, she’s not haunted

I’m responding to you saying BB was too strong to have silk injected into her

The only people to get Silk injected into them were the Citadel caste, everyone else just gradually accumulates it

[grand lichen]

guys i have a theory

what if Hornet was a weaver

and was related to GMS

[marble oasis]

Well she could be, on her Pale side

[grand lichen]

but what if...

herrah gave birth to her?

[viscid ridge]

That would be crazy if proven true 😮

[viscid ridge]

Yeah yeah no doubt about it

[stray fog]

Nah that's too far fetched

[grand lichen]

i dont have much time until i go to the pillow room but... HORNET IS RELATED TO THE KNIIIIGHTTTTtttt...... gets dragged away

[rugged kiln]

I think one of the coolest parts about silksong, is in the cradle, where it shows all the other weavers that escaped GMS and how many things it took to bring them back

[grand lichen]

im back

[twin dragon]

Those were actually the descendants of the weavers that escaped

[rugged kiln]

thats right

[grand lichen]

i loved fighting the shade lord in act 6!

[rugged kiln]

does this mean that Herrah completely escaped GMS? or would Herrah and her tribe eventually be found?

[viscid ridge]

Guys... i have a theory that the pale king is actually Hornets father. Think about it... it all makes sense

[grand lichen]

WOW

the shade lord

[viscid ridge]

Probably be found, but they also seem to die of age or some other thing

[rugged kiln]

do you think Hallownest would let that happen if the kingdom still thrived?

since Herrah at this time is most likely a dreamer now

I feel like pharloom and Hallownest would have some kind of huge conflict if Herrah was found by GMS

i didnt remember the full dialog thank you, so they WOULD be found

Radiance just a jealous ahh bug she totally meant no harm trust

I actually find people seriously debating about this but, which kingdom would end up winning if a conflict occured? Hallownest or Pharloom?

Because i see people making an argument for both if the topic is ever brought up

[languid panther]

Depends.

[rugged kiln]

I don't know if it is a nostalgia kinda bias, but I think Hallownest would take it

since it was said to be a very "ahead of its time" kingdom

oh i think the most interesting part about this debate is that

[languid panther]

We don’t know how strong the weavers of Pharloom “pre_hunting “ were

[rugged kiln]

the pale king was able to give intelligence right? but GMS kinda had the ability to take that away

[rugged kiln]

we also don't know how many weavers there were, the flashbacks show a lot though

[languid panther]

Yeah And we don’t know how strong the Royal knights of Hollownest were

I think The Pale Ming mogs GMS tho.

[rugged kiln]

this could actually be true but

what if the bugs always could think for themselves like pharloom, except they just got smarter instead?

they were able to have a very advanced kingdom

[rugged kiln]

do you think the pale king could fight? or just lead

because if he could, then the main issue would be the dream realm

[stray fog]

Hes pale

• wyrm
• god

Gms is only 2 of those things

[rugged kiln]

is gms pale?

[stray fog]

Yes

[rugged kiln]

i thought gms was a higher being in a different sense, and not being pale

how do we know gms is pale? just looks or is there a statement, just curious

[stray fog]

People call her a pale monarch

[rugged kiln]

oh my goodness thats right

how did that fly over my head

[languid panther]

If the pale king used the Abyss correctly I think Hollownest neg dif Pharloom

[rugged kiln]

you know... hornet in her journal, flames the pale king for messin with the void

but didnt the pale king lwk do good at that?

[stray fog]

His plan failed

[rugged kiln]

thats interesting

[languid panther]

Maybe she said that because the lighthouse of the Abyss failed

[rugged kiln]

Theres multiple ways that they could have failed yes,

[rugged kiln]

we turned that sh off 😭

as the knight

Widow cutscene reveals a lot more than it seems

[languid panther]

we saw the lighthouse keeper already died by the void

[rugged kiln]

thats true, wern't they also locked in there?

[languid panther]

Yeah but somehow they did kill the keeper and turn off the lighthouse

You can see the void seek the white palace

Anda bit of Ancient Basin

[rugged kiln]

I thought the keeper died due to age/hunger is it because their tears are black?

[languid panther]

I think that was void

[random harbor]

Dream Nail: The Abyss - Abyss Lighthouse - "The sea calls..."

...Turn it off?... Cannot...
My King. I’m sorry... The sea calls...

@dhruv._19 used /dream-nail area: The Abyss name: Abyss Lighthouse - "The sea calls..."

[stray fog]

If these are their last thoughts

[rugged kiln]

woahhhh

[stray fog]

Then the void killed them

[rugged kiln]

it could be that the void somehow spoke to them, they said the sea calls, then died

[stray fog]

Yep

[rugged kiln]

you think the keeper lost their mind in there?

the void does not speak

[stray fog]

The void convinced them to turn off the light house

[languid panther]

I don’t think the void can control minds like The Radiance

[rugged kiln]

how would it do that? if the void is well, void, would the keeper just be going insane?

[stray fog]

No idea tbh

[rugged kiln]

well the void was used to counter the raidance completely

[stray fog]

This instance is the most direct action the void has ever taken

Apart from the shade lord

[rugged kiln]

the whole shade lord thing is still weird to think about

the siblings were hostile, it could just be the siblings

the climb up was full of them

i think the "siblings" are not completely void of mind still, they still attacked them

[stray fog]

Imagine being the lighthouse person and you look out of the window to see 1 million shadow babies

[rugged kiln]

not fun

thats true

the door was open when we entered it (long shot here comes) do yall think that the siblings waited outside the lighthouse? and dude turned off the lights and opened the door?

[stray fog]

Hold on what if the void convinced the ancient civ to worship it

[rugged kiln]

long shot there but

[languid panther]

I think the civ was void too

I don’t know

Honestly

[rugged kiln]

im not entirely sure as well

there is one bug, that we have dreamnailed that is very much possibly FROM the ancient civilization

do yall know who i am talkin about?

[viscid ridge]

The bowl guy?

[stray fog]

It would be in line with what other higher beings do

The radiance created moths to worship her, and then she started the infection to gain more followers

Gms did the same thing

The nightmare heart created grimmkin to prolong its lifespan

[rugged kiln]

thats the one

[rugged kiln]

the shade lord is a higher being

is being "void" in general, considered to be a higher being kinda trait?

i think it is

[stray fog]

No

[languid panther]

I think Shade Lord created them no conviced them

I still hate that Silksong leave questions more than answers

[rugged kiln]

i thought this way because the knight is Pale, root, void, and wyrm

[stray fog]

Lemm says that the ancient civ didn't worship any god

So no shade lord

[languid panther]

How do you know they weren’t?

[rugged kiln]

this could somewhat be true

actually no

[languid panther]

Maybe The Pale King find a way to weaken the void

[rugged kiln]

hold on now let em cook

and afterwards it says "Lord of shade"

could it be to us?

[stray fog]

Yes

[viscid ridge]

The shade lord i think is just a culmination of all the shades in the abyss. Void in its raw form lacks focus, but with the void heart the void gains focus, which is the shade lord

[rugged kiln]

this is why I don't think of the shade lord as the knight, lemme think here

I think the knight is "the leading force" of the void in a way, the knight isn't the shade lord, but leads the siblings and the void, we see this from the true ending in silksong, the knight stands infront and cuts the void that attacks hornet

[stray fog]

Its said that the knight united the void

And we see siblings in sister of the void

[rugged kiln]

thats why I think they are the leading force in a way

[viscid ridge]

Exactly, thats another reason to think of the shade lord as all the shades together. We also see in silking all the shades dissappear when the shade lord apears, making me think more so that its the case

[languid panther]

That Cutsence is literally one of the strangest things I have seen because it leaves so many questions

[rugged kiln]

i don't know if i can absolutely confirm that the knight is the "leading force" simply because he is in front, but like Jonathan said, the void heart gives focus, which is from the knight

[viscid ridge]

I think of the shade shade lord as a void version of voltron

[rugged kiln]

and like dhruv said, the knight united the void with the void heart

[rugged kiln]

hold on you cooking

[languid panther]

I don’t think the Knight have all full control on the void . Because the void attacked Hornet and the Knoght blocked it , or maybe Team cherry put that scene just to be a cool Cutsence Idk

[rugged kiln]

you make a really good point with the ascension thing, but the entire screen was covered in void before the shade lord appeared

[stray fog]

These are the 2 explanations I'm conflicted between as well

[rugged kiln]

probably not a "just to be cool" in my opinion, I think the knight leads the siblings, but not the void

void without focus can't really be tamed

[languid panther]

I think the second explanation makes sense and because if it’s the first explanation it will leave many questions also 😭

[viscid ridge]

Honestly a really good explanation aswell 👏

[rugged kiln]

didn't the knight after hitting the last blow, DESCEND into the void as well? that could help

[stray fog]

The first explanation might even be a retcon
The knight summons void tentacles to tie down the radiance in pantheon 5

So they control tentacles

In hk

The foresight explanation is cool
But why doesn't hornet use the foresight at any other point of time

It would be useful

[rugged kiln]

hornet didn't inherit foresight i believe

since she is mixed

[languid panther]

Yeah I believe Team Cherry thought the Scene would be cool

[rugged kiln]

maybe you need to be a "Pure pale wyrm" to inherit foresight

pure as in, not being mixed with weaver

[stray fog]

Lmao

[rugged kiln]

hold on i want to ask you all a question, since this is something I kinda like thinking about

so ima say my statement rq

lord FOOL is a wyrm

lord fool is not a pale wyrm, just a wyrm

[languid panther]

Godseeker is a weaver btw

[stray fog]

The pale king is the only pale wyrm I think

Because gms calls him "the white wyrm"

The

[rugged kiln]

you know how we enter the area? i think we enter through a wyrm

just like entering through the pale wyrm

i say this because there was a "Blackwyrm" apparently

[stray fog]

Wanderer's journal calls the colosseum a giant ancient bug

They would have mentioned it if they were a wyrm

Wanderer's journal The book

[rugged kiln]

well it could be that after entering the colosseum, they renovated a bit 🤷

[rugged kiln]

wyrms are ancient bugs, the fact they didn't mention "wyrm" does contradict my theory a bit tho

[languid panther]

I thought the question you asked was a ragebait or joke because I didn’t know about that journal entry

Oh.

[rugged kiln]

a BOOK?

ima need that

[stray fog]

Lord fool looks like he died sitting on his throne
Would a wyrm really die of old age like that

[languid panther]

I don’t have money tbh

[languid panther]

And I think the delivery itself will cost 100$ because of my location

[stray fog]

The people killed by greyroot also have tear streaks
So void isn't the only thing that causes those streaks

[rugged kiln]

yes lwk

the pale king didn't die to the infection

[languid panther]

Because of the void

[stray fog]

The big one in the bottom left

Those streaks are much shorter actually

[stray fog]

I think Im wrong about this then

[rugged kiln]

wouldnt what you all are talking about contradict the "keeper" controlling the lighthouse HOLD ON

then is the whole "tear thing" just what happens when a bug dies? these tears are seen everywhere

[stray fog]

I was saying that void isn't the only thing that causes streaks
Not that void doesn't cause streaks

[rugged kiln]

read it wrong, my fault

[viscid ridge]

Whats this you want to show?

Oh

[stray fog]

Does no eyes have streaks

[rugged kiln]

yes i believe so

they do

[viscid ridge]

Yeah no these corpses can be found all over pharloom, i dont think its void. Its probably just weat of age. We see a lot of bugs have these streaks even though they are dead

[rugged kiln]

but as far as we know, the void didn't kill no eyes, nor was it likely to be greyroots

[viscid ridge]

Take no eyes fro example

[rugged kiln]

could these tears just be the reminants of the dead bugs in general?

[viscid ridge]

Just like blood or erosion i think

[rugged kiln]

they kind of look like tears

[viscid ridge]

I think its blood considering she ripped her eyes out

But like stylized blood

[rugged kiln]

she blinded her and the children in that area, to avoid the radiance

went into a dark room as well

[stray fog]

How did the void reach him all the way in kingdom's edge 🤔

[viscid ridge]

Your saying the lord fool died of void?

[stray fog]

A kingsmould?

[rugged kiln]

the pale king used void

the pale king had void soldiers

if we tie this back to the "battle of blackwyrm"

lord fool could have been in conflict with the pale king and died

the pale king used void in a lot of his projects

[stray fog]

Wouldn't little fool know that lord fool is dead if void killed him. People would gossip about that

Lord fool dying of old age makes more sense to me

[rugged kiln]

lord fool didnt have to die in battle either though

the pale king didn't die to void, the pale king has NO marks at all when he died, coudln't the pale king also die from age as well? it aint like the radiance got to him

hold on you got examples rq?

oh like the void went into the dream?

[stray fog]

the knight summons the void into the radiance boss fight

[rugged kiln]

hold on this could explain a lot

talking about lore can get tiring

thats true i remember this

do the devs even think this deep about their OWN lore 😭

i think about that sometimes

[stray fog]

They said in an interview that they ask themselves questions about every thing they add

So yes

[rugged kiln]

i didn't know that, thats way nicer to think about

anything to get em high being meals

shoot if it tasted good i meann

its called "popseeker" I love that

nice talkin bout lore though

[heavy gyro]

What relation does lord fool have to shamans or the void

Nvm I scrolled up

The colosseum of fools also has the AC room

[glad wren]

Air conditioning??!? In hallownest ?!?

Pk would never

[heavy gyro]

PK would definitely allow air conditioning though

Because his monarchflies make wind

[twilit crest]

I just don’t see how BB isnt at least a little strung up with how much silk was covering her at the start of the game

[twilit crest]

Idk

[marble oasis]

Well I don’t know how but she isn’t

[bleak maple]

not gonna lie this thing is long

[twilit crest]

Chalk it up to contrivance I suppose

[wheat locust]

I'm pretty sure it's a field with many creatures
In the background iirc there's other similar corpses

[fresh badger]

They're different but yea theres like 3 ancient bug corpses

Ancient corpses arent anything new, look at like the black egg temple

[wheat locust]

And greenpath

[fresh badger]

The queens garden corpse?

[marble oasis]

“Ancient corpses aren’t anything new”

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[fresh badger]

Zor what are your thoughts on Scrounge being related to the vaultkeepers

[frosty gate]

Who Tf is scrounge

[somber smelt]

Relic collector

[frosty gate]

Oh that bitch

She Def is

[ionic stump]

i think there is a high possibility

probably has ancestry related to the keepers

[marble oasis]

More likely the threadrakers than the vaultkeepers

The vaultkeepers are probably a Citadel offshoot of that species

I swear to god we’ve had this convo

[azure shoal]

Does Skarrsinger Karmelita canonically sing her own theme?

I looked it up apparently she does

That is BADASS

[fresh badger]

Actually yeah it sounds familiar lmfao

[whole holly]

is multiple crest or crests in general unique to hornet, since Eva says crests are soul imprints, can vessels have them or are Void effects somehow intervening in them having crests?

[viscid ridge]

Not long, its bigg

Like its absolutely massive i cant believe bugs this big existed

Like we do have those giant fossils in dirtmouth, which is probably bigger, but still

[gentle aspen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1pw6201/hidden_silksong_cutscene/

So

We know we aren’t manually controlling the sub

however

[rough carbon]

sounds like a water tram

[gentle aspen]

this might confirm underwater areas

[twilit crest]

Sea trolley

Or one of those trawlers

[gentle aspen]

now my brain is going full speculation mode

“underwater” areas means underwater bugs

[rough carbon]

jellyfish..?

nvm thats a fish

is it?

[gentle aspen]

so I’m thinking

We getting a new type of spider

[twilit crest]

Voyage across and beneath the salt-stricken seas in this thrilling expansion, free for all players.
New areas, bosses, tools, and more! Hornet’s adventures continue in our nautically themed expansion, coming free for all players next year. We’ll keep further details a secret for now, but expect additional info shortly before Hollow Knight: Silksong - Sea of Sorrow releases.

[rough carbon]

beneath, no?

[marble oasis]

Surfing Weaver

[gentle aspen]

Argyroneta

Diving bell spider

[rough carbon]

new bell tool

[gentle aspen]

@sinful nimbus’s favorite will be there too

bolas spider

[twilit crest]

Yes that’s what I’m pointing out

[sinful nimbus]

🗣️ 🔥

[gentle aspen]

they will also confirm different weavers based on whatever they raised up

[sinful nimbus]

We can't have creative uses of silk though sorry

[twilit crest]

.

[sinful nimbus]

Another 3 years to recycling PV spells

[gentle aspen]

now that I’ve gotten the basic stuff out of the way

I’m think we getting deep sea beasties

And that is the core conceit

what else comes from the deep? Plasmium

[sinful nimbus]

Lobster Lancer bleeds plasmium

[gentle aspen]

we getting a motherfucking plasmium angler fish

[keen tundra]

i was wondering if the sub was the thing in the back in the keyart but now i’m not so sure

[gentle aspen]

We getting REAL jellyfish

Not the ones made by monomon

We getting Squids

[gentle aspen]

And octopi

[keen tundra]

plasmified uumuu…. SOON!

[gentle aspen]

Squidward tentacles in silksong

I am praying we get some nautilus

ooh another idea

[sacred cloud]

[gentle aspen]

you know how them giant shells always be in the rock

[gentle aspen]

Bro give us some living ancient bugs in the deep waters

so the reason they died out is because the environment no longer suited them

Gimme this guy

Fuckin love siphonophores

[whole holly]

Sea of Sorrows may have spider, but i think it will be Caravantina Repurposed in my opinion, the Cut Spider NPC

i think Pharloom Bay may be sharp contrast to Coral Gorge

[halcyon merlin]

sea of sorrow leaked noss

boss

[leaden cosmos]

So i dont think i got why act 3 happened like the shamans wanted to trap gms but why did it end with the void voiding all over pharloom

[gentle aspen]

GMS grabbed Hornet

Lace saved her

GMS wanted to save her child

So she kept making cocoons and struggling against the void

this caused the black threading to occur

[leaden cosmos]

But why did the void woke up tho

[halcyon merlin]

because the shamans used their spell to make the void appear

[gentle aspen]

wdym “woke up”

[leaden cosmos]

Ooooh

[gentle aspen]

they portalled the void there to kill gms

that was always da plan

[leaden cosmos]

And the bastards just hide when their plan goes to shit

[twilit crest]

Because the shamans were reckless and called the void to gms without checking

[halcyon merlin]

it didn't go to shit

it worked

[leaden cosmos]

Damn hornet was right to call them cowards

[gentle aspen]

well

to be fair their plan only got fucked up because of hornet and lace

if hornet had any ounce of proper schmoovement it woulda worked

[sacred cloud]

Just Lace.

[leaden cosmos]

I see

[sacred cloud]

Hornet was ready to die.

[gentle aspen]

if hornet got taken into the void GMS might’ve been able to properly escape the void

by taking her power and silk or whatever

[sacred cloud]

Mkaes sense.

[leaden cosmos]

I really like act 3 storytelling

[gentle aspen]

well, that makes one of us

[sacred cloud]

That makes two of us.

[bleak maple]

silksong leak real?

[gentle aspen]

but that’s besides the current point

that’s why act 3 happened

[whole holly]

i don't like 3 three at all, i hope Sea of Sorrows DLC will fix everything

[gentle aspen]

probably

[gentle aspen]

it won’t

[leaden cosmos]

How hornet decides to risk her own life to save the kingdom that kidnapped her is so peak

[cedar skiff]

she doesnt though

[whole holly]

i want Central Figure in Pharloom Bay that we interact with

[frosty gate]

Could be both

Or rather, one means the other

[gentle aspen]

I mean she does that regardless of what ending you choose

[cedar skiff]

“Oblivion may take you, child. My own life, I shall not sacrifice.”

[leaden cosmos]

Yeah fair enough

[cedar skiff]

my girl was confident in her success i love it

[leaden cosmos]

Twisted child is the exception

[marble oasis]

wdym

[long tapir]

proceeds to die 58 times

[leaden cosmos]

Tho thats a whole can of worms

[marble oasis]

When the hero exhibits bravery ‼️

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-clap-applause-standing-ovation-gif-15648815

[whole holly]

i think Sea of Sorrows might be most comparable to Lifeblood/Hidden Dreams DLC, minimal changes and incorporation of cut content

[sinful nimbus]

https://hmamusic.bandcamp.com/album/touch-as-the-only-proof-of-existence

[frosty gate]

Both are of the same species

[marble oasis]

Yeah but like Scrounge was born to Threadraker parents is what I mean

The Vaultkeeper population separated a long time ago

[frosty gate]

How do we know that? Genuine question

[marble oasis]

She lives right next to Greymoor

[viscid ridge]

Thats what i guessed. Always figured it will just be a 3rd fast travel. Looks cool nonetheless

[twilit crest]

I doubt it’ll end with just a fast travel screen

Tc would be leaving money on the table to not give us some kind of underwater platforming

I’m coping but like. Come on

[drowsy thorn]

so from the lore of silksong can we say dream no more is the terue ending ?

[spark valve]

it's ambiguous between dream no more and embrace the void

[drowsy thorn]

its one of those because it flickers

[edgy nebula]

the shade lord flickers but we also see the siblings

[drowsy thorn]

between shade lord

[drowsy thorn]

yeah so its dream no more

or

EMBRACE THE VOID

[edgy nebula]

it’s ambiguous

we dont know for sure

[spark valve]

it's one of the two, the flashes acknowledge both without really confirming either since neither is physically there

[drowsy thorn]

niether is there ?

the knight was right there

[spark valve]

the knight's shade is there but the siblings (the ones behind it) and the vgfocus form flicker in and out of existence, and when the perspective actually leaves hornet as she's passing out the knight is all that's there, which suggests she's hallucinating or having visions

oxygen deprivation

[drowsy thorn]

so we cant really say

i might just ask the creator

[spark valve]

they probably won't respond but the intent seems to be ambiguity

[quartz salmon]

i just saw a submarine cutscene thing on twitter is it bait

https://vxtwitter.com/mintgayprince/status/2004576157048647918?s=20

Mint Prince (@mintgayprince)

"Submersive_Travel mp4" found in silksong switch files found BEFORE the dlc announcement
presumably not fake

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Dec 26, 2025, 3:32 PM

this is so random but it looks legit

guess they just forgot it in there

[foggy fractal]

I think its real because I doubt fans are good enough to create something so convincing
though I wouldn't be mad if it was fake

[limpid summit]

@edgy nebula are those barnacles I see?

[edgy nebula]

b-b-b-b-b-b-barnacles!?!?!?

[quartz salmon]

well yeah

[twilit crest]

Literally go for it. Could be interesting to see if they respond

[quartz salmon]

this is soooo cool

look it has like 6 exhausts and its like a mussel in the back

i just hope we actually get to swim in more shallow areas

i can see why the didnt include this stuff in the initial release like besides not having finished it

its like

a completely different vibe

from both games

but something everyone has wanted

[silk dirge]

this looks like an earlier version of the submarine also

it looks different from the teaser

[whole holly]

i wish we knew about deepnest king, i don't get why Spider King(likely non-weaver and regular spider) would be honored caste and Herrah(Weaver and Queen) is common beast? since we know from Silksong herrah is weaver

[silk dirge]

so the final cutscene will look super good

[drowsy thorn]

wher should i ask ?

[silk dirge]

my hope is that the submarine is nuclear powered

[quartz salmon]

we just saw it from the front only

but yeah maybe they changed it slightly

[foggy fractal]

theres a contact page on their website
but they also say that they're not reaching out to fans at the time so

[sinful nimbus]

So that's why they haven't hired me to rewrite Act 3

[foggy fractal]

no no theres another section answering that

[foggy fractal]

Are there any internships, paid positions or work-experience opportunities open at Team Cherry?

Not at the moment, sorry! We like to keep the team pretty small, and unfortunately we don’t often have the spare time to take on interns. If an opening does come up, we’ll let everyone know here on the site and on social media.

such a shame

[sinful nimbus]

😔

[foggy fractal]

😔

[frosty gate]

Would you make Shakra and Hornet kiss? This question has no relevance on your hiring

[sinful nimbus]

No I don't like Shaknet because I don't think Hornet should be portrayed in a positive light

[flint wadi]

make it toxic yuri then

[sinful nimbus]

Perhaps

[limpid summit]

Shakra yaps on and on about nothing but even she doesn’t deserved to be shipped with Silksong Hornet

Remember when I tried to find something you made up in her dialogue for 10 minutes

[sinful nimbus]

[viscid ridge]

Hornet is an icon fr fr

[lapis creek]

shaknet doesnt have to portray hornet in a positive light

[sinful nimbus]

ok well I also ain't writing an abusive relationship between shakra and hornet 😭 🙏

[lapis creek]

she could callously ruin shakra's life just like she ruins everything else she touches

[foggy fractal]

can you make the void writing better

also first sinner become final boss please and thank you santa

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet ripping out Shakra's Mother's heart and displaying it in their home

[sinful nimbus]

By removing void entirely

[lapis creek]

it doesnt even have to be abusive maybe hornet really tries her best but as they get closer shakra realizes she is just a terrible person

the last straw is when she learns about the genocide of the slabflies

[sinful nimbus]

So tuff

[foggy fractal]

not even a small section like that one big geo rock in kingdom's edge ? that was tuff !

[lapis creek]

it could be like that scene in attack of the clones

[sinful nimbus]

OK but like

If you add an abyss easter egg the player might encounter it and expect a full on abyss area later

[lapis creek]

except if padme reacted like a normal human

[whole holly]

can you rework needolin/song mechanic and connect it to essence, as well as bells, and add boss rush that can actually imagine peak forms instead of being reliant on existing memories

[sinful nimbus]

Song magic needs to be fleshed out ya

Imo the shamans should've dabbled in it

Like they hang out in places with naturally high "resonance" which is mentioned a few times in cut content

[whole holly]

Grubs too Grubsong and Grubberfly's Elegy

[foggy fractal]

hey no one is seeing the kelp in weavenest murglin and expecting pharloom bay oh wait

[whole holly]

also add Grubs to Pharloom, or Grubberfly

[whole holly]

resonance is related to essence at least in first game

[sinful nimbus]

Like, Godseekers?

I'm not sure if those two were supposed to be the same thing but song magic was there in the background of the first game

Old hearts were also going to be related to song in development I'm not sure why that was changed

Nyleth was "the voice" and Coral Tower was "Choral Tower"

Their hearts still have unique rhythms

[lapis creek]

i feel like it's better to just have more lava at the bottom of the world idk

[whole holly]

she is the voice alright

[cedar skiff]

i dont think it was rly scrapped completely it just wasn’t properly explored

[whole holly]

song magic in background? can you specify

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[cedar skiff]

theres remnants of the concept in the description

[lapis creek]

tc using the same stock sound effect for all of them:

[cedar skiff]

“a heart that beats ___”

would have been cool to have it fleshed out but act 3 is a lot already

i had finally gotten around to reading the one interview and their thought process for act 3 was actually really interesting

[whole holly]

Weaversong, Grubsong and Carefree Melody were interesting, Silksong didn't explore that on same scale, properties of songs, they lazily connected it to silk

[sinful nimbus]

Stuff like grubsong, carefree melody, the crystals "singing" etc

[cedar skiff]

they even admitted its a total tonal shift from the rest of the game like wow

[sinful nimbus]

"rhythms of the lands"

Big shame

[cedar skiff]

also i found this funny so which one is responsible for #those journal entries

[lapis creek]

jack vine

[sinful nimbus]

the music guy

[foggy fractal]

we will never know

[sinful nimbus]

is ts what they think is tonally consistent 🥀

[cedar skiff]

the process they shared for writing the dialogue makes certain slip ups make a lot more sense

[whole holly]

Music Magic needs to be more present in pharloom for sure, i think Sea or Sorrows is interesting but Hidden Memories/Songs DLC would have been more interesting

[lapis creek]

it doesnt need to be music magic specifically but i think they needed something more unique to pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

Silk is just soul magic with a fresh coat of paint

[cedar skiff]

well yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Not even a fresh coat of paint

[cedar skiff]

thats because it is

[foggy fractal]

i bet 50 rosaries that the person doing the interview doesn't even know this line exists

[sinful nimbus]

Some of the skills are literally just soul spells 😭 🙏

[lapis creek]

he knew about lion village

[cedar skiff]

the thing that is stated to be this thing ingame is this thing?

i cant believe this. team cherry fell off

[sinful nimbus]

It was always going to be a subset of soul magic but a subset should have a unique identity

Which it kinda fails to do

[whole holly]

i mean Silk and Song should have been equally important, like Dreams and Soul was in first game, Music Magic could have been subset of Dream Magic, instead of SIlk Magic

[sinful nimbus]

MHRise had better silk skills

[whole holly]

which ones?

[cedar skiff]

the person doing the interview asked some damn good questions honestly i really wish they asked about the green prince change though

[sinful nimbus]

Pale Nails and Rune Rage

[foggy fractal]

if only

[sinful nimbus]

Cross Stitch and Sharpdart could also pass as soul spells in the first game

[cedar skiff]

its one of the only things im curious about that i cant imagine an answer to. retcons are another but i feel like ari would drop the classic Its Up for Interpretation

[whole holly]

lot of npcs like citadel and druid having bell staff, what is up with that, not even explored slightly

[sinful nimbus]

How Team Cherry felt saying it was ambiguous as to whether or not Godseeker locked herself up

[whole holly]

Sharpdart? is it not most similar to Sharp Shadow which is void spell entirely?

[sinful nimbus]

Like

[lapis creek]

isnt sharp shadow implied to be a corrupted soul spell

[sinful nimbus]

If you got it as a spell in the first game I wouldn't bat an eye

[lapis creek]

i might be making that up

[whole holly]

i agree but Rune definitely comes from weavers, they added lore to runes

[sinful nimbus]

Not really but that's pretty plausible

[whole holly]

Soul Totem was involved but that's about it, it is Void spell for sure

[sinful nimbus]

Rune Rage is just silk doing a thing soul can do

Weavers using runes has kinda always been a thing but it was still underwhelming for that to be a spell imo

[whole holly]

i guess, pale nails too as well, but needolin should have been fleshed out for sure, music particles would have been amazing

silksong missing song and replaced with abyss is annoying

[lapis creek]

music particles?

[viscid ridge]

Same. Rune rage, more like rune ass

[lapis creek]

clever

[whole holly]

like essence/dream catcher particles in first game, with song theme

[lapis creek]

silksong isnt missing song it's just not very well-developed

[viscid ridge]

I mean music is the entire reason gms is trapped to begin with

[lapis creek]

essence was light though

[viscid ridge]

But i agree it could've been more important

[lapis creek]

it makes sense that you can see it in some ways

music is music

[whole holly]

sure but it is not equal to silk

[lapis creek]

thats a weird line to draw

[whole holly]

essence was not just light, it can manifest as light and dreams, they are both metaphysical, it does not make sense for dreamcatchers to be in air either, but musical symbols are often used in media, despite them not appearing in sky irl

[viscid ridge]

Honestly i think if we get more of grand mother silks backstory, the song will be developed better

[lapis creek]

essence is the light found in dreams

this is mentioned very soon after obtaining the dream nail

[whole holly]

i guess you are right, sea of sorrows could at least have sorrowful song, like small interaction with shakra and her master

[whole holly]

point still stands

[lapis creek]

i also think seeing musical notes appear in the air would look really goofy, partially for this reason

[viscid ridge]

My guess is well get another higher being in the sea

[lapis creek]

no it doesn't you said it's not light and it doesn't make sense to be able to see it in the air

[whole holly]

no less goofy than dreamcatchers in objective sense

[whole holly]

it does not make sense for dreamcatchers to be in air either, but musical symbols are often used in media, despite them not appearing in sky irl

[spark valve]

trying to um actually your way out of floating musical notes being silly is sure something

[lapis creek]

it's not true that it doesn't make sense to be able to see light in the air

that is a lie

you are lying

[whole holly]

i mean applying personal taste to correct other people's personal taste/want regarding game is uniquely weird

[lapis creek]

maybe it's weird for it to take that shape but thats a part of the game world

where are the floaty musical notes coming from

[whole holly]

i am not talking about light, i am talking about dream catchers

[whole holly]

apply same line of reasoning to dreamcatchers

[lapis creek]

dreamcatchers = essence = light

you are talking about light

[whole holly]

okay then song = resonance in air

[lapis creek]

yeah thats why you can hear it

it doesnt turn into this

music notes are an invention

[whole holly]

spider strings makes resonance in air , that is not physical that's metaphysical

[lapis creek]

there's precedent for it but we decided what it would look like

on paper

[whole holly]

so are dreamcatchers

[viscid ridge]

I mean we HEAR the song. Thats its indicators. We needed dream catcher cause we cant actually see dreams lmao 😅

[whole holly]

like i said, metaphysical things don't really have to be explained

[sinful nimbus]

Its an aesthetic choice yes

[whole holly]

in memories it makes sense, musical notes are often used in media

[sinful nimbus]

I personally think it would look too cartoony

[lapis creek]

but there is an explanation for the essence particles in hollow knight

[viscid ridge]

Its just that in hk its a visual indicator while in ss its an audio indicator

[lapis creek]

sure it was a decision from the developers but they justified it

dreams have light in them

[whole holly]

yes, dreamcatchers and musical notes both are, thank you

[lapis creek]

songs could have floating black marks in them

but why

why would you make that decision

[spark valve]

they're just going to continue ignoring your point

[whole holly]

i respect your opinion, but i think depending on implementation it could look okay, like symbols as sigils/runes

[viscid ridge]

As said again, why do you want a physical indicator for song when we can actually HEAR it 😅

[whole holly]

point is that they are both purely aesthetic regardless of how we perceive game mechanic visually and audibely

[lapis creek]

depending on implementation something could look ok

it doesnt have to not have a symbol, it's magic

[whole holly]

that logic applies spider strings, entering memory sequence etc

[lapis creek]

but the symbol should be associated with the magic and not music in general

[whole holly]

it's magic how is symbols hurting it

[lapis creek]

im sorry about the double negative

i will try to avoid that

[whole holly]

this is such a non-issue you guys, it's my personal taste and criticism, it's not like i am going to join TC dev team

[sinful nimbus]

But here's the kicker

[spark valve]

is this the seth shit or whatever

I never paid attention to the blast

[sinful nimbus]

Warding Bell

[spark valve]

oh

[quartz salmon]

yeah its the protecting bell

[spark valve]

so something that actually needs a physical representation

[sinful nimbus]

yea ig

[lapis creek]

warding bell is good

[whole holly]

Sylphsong could have been just a song that is perceived audibly, but it benefited from physical representation, that logic also applies to Elegy of Deep memory enter sequence

[lapis creek]

musical symbols often used in media? this is something i would like to avoid

[lean temple]

Looks like GMS faintly. Why did you send this tho I'm curious

[lapis creek]

the tuning fork is another example i think

or the bells even

[sinful nimbus]

Convo was about music symbols

[lapis creek]

of song having symbols in the game

[spark valve]

didn't the bells get their runes cut

[lapis creek]

i never actually used spider strings

[spark valve]

those were soul anyways tho

[lapis creek]

ok old bells

wasnt it purple

[spark valve]

thought it was lighting

if that was supposed to be a distinct thing that woulda really sucked lol

[whole holly]

but you can't say it looks silly and i am ignoring points about inherently subjective thing and make exception for warding bell and sylphsong, as if nothing changed

[cedar skiff]

🤔

u get warding bell in deep docks right

[lapis creek]

insert joke about sharpe's proboscis

[whole holly]

yeah sylph like air music symbol is what i mean

[cedar skiff]

i cant wait for a content drough long enough for people to start trying to decipher this music script shit in sk

[sinful nimbus]

where the heck si this

[lapis creek]

where is this

[viscid ridge]

But to be fair we already have silk memories so whats the point

[lapis creek]

also this is just silk again wtf

[viscid ridge]

Its a cut silk tablet from whiteward

[lapis creek]

wonderful

[spark valve]

good they cut it it looks ass

[viscid ridge]

I mean it just looks like how soul seals looked in hk

[whole holly]

i don't know get another upgrade to needolin, it was originally just a criticism to existing needolin

[spark valve]

but it wouldn't be song magic anyways it's just writing on silk

[viscid ridge]

Exactly

[whole holly]

yeah, visually this could look okay on song magic mechanic

[whole holly]

maybe we could get ascended version of needolin that does this

[lean temple]

Gotcha

[whole holly]

interact with sharka's master and other things

[lapis creek]

i definitely prefer the visuals they have for song in the actual game

[limpid summit]

Awakened needolin that lets us needolin the bacta tank for a 4th lace fight

[lapis creek]

where it's just a representation of the sound

[foggy fractal]

peak

[lapis creek]

or magic related to the sound

[whole holly]

needolin unironically lacks song magic

[spark valve]

there's definitely gonna be more laceslop in updates

[lapis creek]

you know what i mean

[spark valve]

I mean yeah it's not like song is a homogenous type of magic anyways

[whole holly]

you can do that, while others express otherwise

[stray fog]

Which tank?

[whole holly]

especially when Warding Bell and Sylphsong are very well implemented visual characteristics i personally want to see more

[spark valve]

the one phantom is in when lace is talking to her

[stray fog]

🔥

Needolin has wasted potential

Lowkey

[whole holly]

would have loved bell lore and interaction, now it is just decor

[cedar skiff]

laceGEM you mean

but yeah that phantom lace duo fight is definitely happening

[spark valve]

so long as it's lace 2 sure

don't fuck it up again

or maybe not lace 2 but lace 1 with a little extra

[sinful nimbus]

One lace for each infection would be really really funny

[lapis creek]

they should do lost lace but instead of a pin she has a lantern-like artifact with a green flame in it

[spark valve]

TRUE

[lapis creek]

and if she sees you the fight restarts

[spark valve]

cinema

sea of sorrows if it was good

[lapis creek]

and ||the fight is completely optional||

[spark valve]

encore of the everbloom

[sinful nimbus]

hooooh boy I almost clicked that

[foggy fractal]

clicked what

[lapis creek]

eote spoilers

star you should play eote what are you waiting for

[sinful nimbus]

Not you too dawg

I'll play it when I stop being a wimp 🥱

[lapis creek]

i personally thought the fish were far worse

[cedar skiff]

dont forget another trobbio fight

[sinful nimbus]

||I could like vividly hear my heartbeat while sneaking past the anglers 😭 ||

[cedar skiff]

sorrowful trobbio

[lapis creek]

||i never snuck past them||

||the grooves in the floor are deep/wide enough for you to fit, but narrow enough that they can't get you||

[plain gazelle]

there were like three things in silksong that made me wonder if they were outer wilds inspired but it's probably just brainrot leaking

[viscid ridge]

Like?

[plain gazelle]

mist = ||dark bramble||, (eote) ||parallels between first sinner and the prisoner, conductor's melody sounding like elegy for the rings||

[stray grove]

If TC wanted to take inspiration from outer wilds maybe they should’ve uhhh been inspired to make a good fucking game lmao

[sinful nimbus]

Do you guys even like Silksong

[stray grove]

No

[plain gazelle]

yeah it's my second favorite game of all time

[stray grove]

Generational levels of glaze

[viscid ridge]

Tbf i think both silksong and outer wilds have generational levels of undeserved glaze

But its just cause the fans are very passionate about it

[sinful nimbus]

Outer Wilds fans can't respond to criticism because they don't talk about their game

[plain gazelle]

i don't think there's much to respond to, if you're not on board with outer wilds's design choices you'll have a less than perfect time and if you are on board then changing anything makes the game worse

[stray fog]

Outer wilds has shitty optimization

Thats all I know about the game because my pc can't run it

[lapis creek]

are you speaking to us right now on a potato

[plain gazelle]

even that is like, intentionally shitty optimization lol

[stray fog]

On a phone

[lapis creek]

ok to be fair they didn't have to run the orbital physics live on my computer

i wonder why they did that

[plain gazelle]

the game started as a physics sim thesis project in college, and as it developed they maintained that core as a philosophical "truth in the system" thing

[sinful nimbus]

i was genuinely kinda scared my game would freeze during the ending and ruin the whole experience

[stray fog]

Btw don't give me any spoilers

[whole holly]

should i play outer wilds and hyper light drifter too?

[plain gazelle]

both worth playing yeah

[lapis creek]

everyone here should play outer wilds so that we never have to talk about silksong again

[twin dragon]

outer wilds when 2nd playthrough

[whole holly]

i definitely like hollow knight for atmospheric adventure it was, silksong less so

[stray fog]

Haven't played outer wilds but hyper light drifter has really cool pixel art

[whole holly]

has anyone played One Shot, Deltarune, Under Tale, Yumme Nikki Fangames

[twin dragon]

the 2 middle ones are pretty cool

[silk dirge]

no but you should all play celeste

[twin dragon]

overglazed as hell but they're pretty damn good nevertheless

[plain gazelle]

i've played one shot and undertale but i'm not a big Indie Earthboundlike guy

[whole holly]

i definitely am not good at platforming

[stray fog]

Same

I don't like difficult games tbh

[silk dirge]

then play celeste and become good at it

[whole holly]

i like atmospheric adventures and story based games

[lapis creek]

this sucks

[twin dragon]

blasphemous is for you my friend

[silk dirge]

you say in a silksong channel lol

[whole holly]

i would rather not

[plain gazelle]

you'll probably like all those games, and outer wilds

[stray fog]

Play dying light 1

[lapis creek]

i cant even deorbit the moon by slamming my ship into it at 10000 km/h

[stray fog]

The atmosphere is good in 1,but they fucked it up in 2

[twin dragon]

i would recommend rain world

[stray fog]

Silksong is an exception because of course I had to play skong

[whole holly]

i have m1 mac i don't think i can play all those games

[twin dragon]

but you'd get a grueling experience the first time

that has to be the game with the best atmosphere

[whole holly]

i will probably be able to play that

[twin dragon]

you will dw

[stray fog]

Dying light 1 is a little old so it might run
It ran smoothly on my potato pc

[gentle aspen]

y’all gotta move channels man

[whole holly]

i have been putting it of because of Bo and Nine Sols

[gentle aspen]

this ain’t the channel for non lore discussion

[whole holly]

ok , we will try to

[stray fog]

#off-topic

[sinful nimbus]

bro think he a mod

[twin dragon]

how many bars of soap will it take to kill gms

[lapis creek]

you have no power here

[lapis creek]

1/2

[stray fog]

Shes an insect so she has to be really small

[twin dragon]

bet

[whole holly]

i made post in off topic, maybe we can move there

[stray fog]

Beat a spider to death with soap

[sinful nimbus]

Playing Dusk I see

[twin dragon]

she's an eldritch god

[lapis creek]

she must have some tolerance for soap

look at her hair

[twin dragon]

but an insect nevertheless

so bug spray it is

[stray fog]

For insects
What will she do against me bashing her with a bar of soap

[twin dragon]

i have a better topic

which hollow knight npc could parry a bar of soap

[stray fog]

Can hornet parry Jim's ass?
If so she can parry soap

Those things gotta have similar sizes

[twin dragon]

Nah she would die because hornet is a no lifer

and soap is 4x effective against her

[stray fog]

Slabflies

Hornet says they don't bathe

[twin dragon]

Yes

being anywhere near soap would vaporize them doe

[frosty gate]

I was going to say you are rejected for the position, but you might do well

[viscid ridge]

I wonder if there are things that bugs in hallownest used to clean themselves. Like flowers and oil?

[gentle aspen]

water?

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but stuff to make you smell nice. Grindle says hornet smells nice, so she probably uses soap

But its probably something like flower oil and stuff

[limpid summit]

Probably maggot soap

[cedar skiff]

if you needolin in front of the bellshrine in songclave before ringing the bell the caretaker actually peeks out of his tent awww

[limpid summit]

Fr??

You got a video