sk-lore

[twilit crest]

What do we think of the theory that sos will take place inside a memory

[quick geyser]

I doubt so

[twilit crest]

Do tell. Im not sure where i stand personally but i see how it could work

It would solve the question of which act the dlc would take place in. Unless we get a void infested sea or something

[quick geyser]

Considering that we will most likely get some lifeblood content and even learn about its origin, I think it would make more sense to see it at its current state. I’m not denying the possibility of entering another memory in the new DLC but I doubt the entirety of sea of sorrow take place in memory

[twilit crest]

Oh yeah no i honestly doubt sos will take place in just one location at all

[halcyon merlin]

i wonder where it will even take place

[twilit crest]

But what if lifeblood has memory, or those taken from it

Im tinfoil hatting but something tells me im onto something

[twilit crest]

People have placed the estimated location of pharloom bay above sinners rise and near bilewater

I guess im just waiting to see if itll be affected by void tendrils or not

[halcyon merlin]

ah i see

the right side of the map

[quick geyser]

Well, according to the alchemist dialogue, he said that his master collected plasmium (Lifeblood) from the farthest edge of Pharloom. I think the area would be connected to the place that is at the edge of Pharloom map (Which some people suggest it could be Bilewater)

[halcyon merlin]

ohhhh

so it really should be there huh

also

her???

[twilit crest]

Possibly the interred corpse we see in the teaser

[quick geyser]

Yes, the master is female

[halcyon merlin]

im confusing characters maybe

[quick geyser]

That shouldn’t matter though

[halcyon merlin]

by alchemist you mean the guy who gives the quests

[twilit crest]

Weve never seen the master

[halcyon merlin]

ah yeah im confusing

i thought the alchemist was the master

he has an assistant

[quick geyser]

Imagine if instead of getting a pirate theme crest, we just get a scientist theme crest 😭

[halcyon merlin]

i thought it was that guy dialogue

[quick geyser]

Yes, he did

[halcyon merlin]

yes... dkd

did

[quick geyser]

The alchemist had an assistant and a master

[twilit crest]

Im hedging my bets on a water spider crest or something. Im wondering how underwater exploration will work

[halcyon merlin]

i just switched up who's who

[whole holly]

Masters are weird, Steel Hearts, Shakra and Alchemist all have/had masters

[twilit crest]

More specifically underwater platforming but thats not rlly lore

[whole holly]

maybe Cut Character Caravantina will be there if that is case

[quick geyser]

What if it similar to exploring coral towers? You know, coral towers is technically under water

[twilit crest]

I hope the flea musicians make a comeback

[quick geyser]

That would be boring though

[whole holly]

Nautical Theme is really what Hollow Knight games were missing, they can be creative with sea critters

[twilit crest]

Not what id personally prefer but could be cool

[quick geyser]

Nah it wouldn’t. I want actual underwater exploration

[twilit crest]

Right. Even if its bad id rather tc try

[whole holly]

maybe they can also have Coral theme unrelated to Coral/Crust People, maybe blue coral higher being

i want to see more of edges of Pharloom, like Shakra's tribe

[halcyon merlin]

isn't that far from pharloom

[twilit crest]

Shakra's tribe could be fun

Or if someone followed her

Im interested in seeing just how we will explore underwater. Some people theories a submarine

I think we will get a woven air bubble mechanic of sorts

Sonic hydrocity

[halcyon merlin]

i was going to say no way its a submarine

but like

pharloom is very advanced in technology

so not impossible

[twilit crest]

Im not against an above water craft

[whole holly]

i agree, maybe Shakra is Antlion

[twilit crest]

Submarine seems kind of out of place

[halcyon merlin]

i have no idea how an antlion looks like

[whole holly]

maybe similar or equilevant

[twilit crest]

Though i guess we have diving bells so idk

[halcyon merlin]

it could just be a crest too that lets hornet breathe underwater

[halcyon merlin]

i guess

[whole holly]

or new traversal ability most likely, equivalent to Faydown Cloak

[twilit crest]

Im sayinggggg

[halcyon merlin]

team cherry could make it like sonic and put air bubbles everywhere

[halcyon merlin]

true... it can be an ability

[halcyon merlin]

woah

[twilit crest]

When this gets confirmed remember it was ME BARRY

[halcyon merlin]

yeah it could make sense

as an ability

that hornet gets from a weaver

[twilit crest]

Its just such a golden opportunity id honestly be annoyed if they didnt have this in some way

[halcyon merlin]

that would explore that part of the region

[whole holly]

i mean i think Higher Being, or being like Unn and Fayforn

[whole holly]

niche too

[halcyon merlin]

i mean yeah

its just that getting it from a weaver with what tapeworm sent makes more sense

[twilit crest]

Right

[whole holly]

i guess, nautical and underwater aren't same so it could be possible expanse will be like Lake of Unn, Isma's Grove and stuff with nautical theme

[halcyon merlin]

a lot of possibilities

<@&283547423706447872>

ah mods were already pinged in another channel

funny how they get like 10 pings eachtime one of those bots appear

[quick geyser]

Sk lore are so much better when people are respectful of each others

(And when no Lace age discourse)

[halcyon merlin]

lets talk about hornet age

[quick geyser]

There nothing to talk about

[halcyon merlin]

i mean she was old in hallownest

[quick geyser]

And I think we done with the whole discourse thing anyway

[halcyon merlin]

noe she's more old during silksong

end of discussion

[sinful nimbus]

At least 10 bell tolls

[halcyon merlin]

😭

[grave stream]

i know sea of sorrow and zoteboat are connected, i just can't prove it..........

[halcyon merlin]

sea of sorrow is a prequel to zoteboat

[spark valve]

the zoteboat meme was literally never funny and isn't in fact a lore topic

[whole holly]

your pfp made me want to talk about grubs now

[whole holly]

Zote as character is interesting regardless

[sinful nimbus]

On the other hand at least its not pablo ❤️‍🩹

[grave stream]

please free me

shermanigans

[whole holly]

is Vitruvian Grub like Seal or Rune?

[grave stream]

hollow knight: shermanigans

[grave stream]

exactly

[halcyon merlin]

thinking about it

[inland raptor]

Sherma will be the mc of next game trust

[halcyon merlin]

is sherma the equivalent of zote

[quick geyser]

Ok bro

[halcyon merlin]

except sherma is better

[grave stream]

no

yeah

Kratt is Zote

[inland raptor]

i wish i never saved zote

I wish i left him to die

[grave stream]

for that reason

[halcyon merlin]

zote atleast wasn't a pervert

[grave stream]

kratt = zote

[spark valve]

of all the silksong characters garmond is probably the most zotelike zote just never has any consequences if you save him

[grave stream]

kratt has a cosequence if you save him!!!!!!!!

garmond is my boy

[halcyon merlin]

i also thought he was a zote equivalent

but like

he's actually so cool

[grave stream]

kratt!!!!!!

[spark valve]

he's the most zotelike he's just not exactly the same

they share the overestimations of their own abilities and getting in over their heads

zote is just also a dick

[whole holly]

Shaman Crest: Cast the blade forward and strengthen Silk Skills with powerful runes. Grubberfly's Elegy imbues nail with holy strength

[quick geyser]

At least Garmond wasn’t as delulu as Zote was. Despite getting saved multiple time, Zote still genuinely and whole-heartedly believe that was all by himself

We can even see it in his dream nail dialogue

[whole holly]

Grubs are interesting like Shamans and Weavers, Grubsong and Grubberfly's Elegy imply they have holy/divine power. Weaversong and Grubsong also work together in synergy, Grubberfly's Elegy is similar to Shaman Crest with nail effects

[quick geyser]

Probably suited for HK Lore

[halcyon merlin]

i mean there's also that grub mural thing

which i don't remember if its in HK or silksong

[whole holly]

Is there anything about Grubs in silksong?

[grave stream]

silkworms

[viscid ridge]

No

[grave stream]

my friends got turned into silkworms

[halcyon merlin]

other than the mural (if its in silksong) no

[whole holly]

if you mean Vitruvian Grub that looks like Rune, it is in HK

collector has it

[halcyon merlin]

oh

[halcyon merlin]

then there's nothing in silksong about grubs

[grave stream]

a grub

bro

[shell oracle]

since hollow knight has confirmed hornet had mates so that could also mean she had children like I've not seen this talked about anywhere

[halcyon merlin]

ah

lol

[halcyon merlin]

she didn't

weavers have infertility due to gms

[quick geyser]

How did I forget about that

[grave stream]

yeah

[halcyon merlin]

herrah needed a basically god to impregnate her

[shell oracle]

Herrah

[quick geyser]

Weavers can still mate with other species, just not with their own kind

[halcyon merlin]

@shell oracle

[quick geyser]

Remember all the weaver descendant in the cradle?

[halcyon merlin]

no

[whole holly]

they are different Grubs, one is Silkeater and other is Grubberfly, i don't know what Silkeaters turn into, probably silkmoth? unless Fayforn is silkmoth

[grave stream]

my pals got turned into silkeaters............

[halcyon merlin]

there's important thing in the cradle?

[shell oracle]

Well yeah but they can only not mate with there kind

[grave stream]

there originally were fifty of us.

[halcyon merlin]

they still have infertility though

and like

[halcyon merlin]

hornet gave up on trying

all her mates die of old age

[quick geyser]

This is just one of many example

[shell oracle]

Well yes but also no

[halcyon merlin]

oh

[shell oracle]

Yes but I'm talking about the time when hornet was still trying and didn't give up yet

[halcyon merlin]

i thought this was about hornet

i dont remember reading the city of steel part

what's my mind thinking

[quick geyser]

Hornet was described as weaver in half part I think

[halcyon merlin]

fair

i still think the infertility is a problem

[halcyon merlin]

i think widow says it

[shell oracle]

Well yes it is
But hornet is half a weaver isn't she?

Not full

[spark valve]

I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task.
Hornet: I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also its victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits.
Hornet: Are you too an attempt to defy that cruel constraint?
A flawed attempt.

[spark valve]

hornet has it

she says she does

[fresh badger]

Hornet's choral command is in the chasm she falls thru at the start

[quick geyser]

I thought all weavers do?

[shell oracle]

Yes but there's still a chance because herrah pushed passed the limits
There's still hope

[spark valve]

that's the order yeah there's no report for her since they never made it back

[halcyon merlin]

yeah i was thinking about eva dialogue

[halcyon merlin]

oh....no idea where's that

[fresh badger]

😭 its like the part from shellwood down to mosshome iirc

[shell oracle]

Shell wood to blasted steps bridge with the gap on the left

[halcyon merlin]

ah that part

[whole holly]

i just realized all instances of songs we see are always related to Silk/Soul

[shell oracle]

You first need to jump down and go to the left

[halcyon merlin]

shakra

[whole holly]

Grubsong, Weaversong, Sylphsong

[halcyon merlin]

[whole holly]

i would say that's melody or elegy or even hymn

[fresh badger]

Decree of the Citadel, dirty and worn.

"Full Chamber to the kingdom of the White Wyrm. Claim the Weaver, in half part. Last of their line. Sensed strong with Silk.

Resistance anticipated. Quell with rune cage."

Ouch double post

[quick geyser]

Resistance anticipated

They came prepared

[whole holly]

"Hornet Wielding Needle, you too have journeyed these many paths, as my master before us. Join me now for her song-sending.
It is time for her soul to walk beyond her shell... "

[quick geyser]

I have heard some people said that there were 50 veiled bugs sent to capture Hornet but I couldn’t any information backing that up

[fresh badger]

Smth to do with irl choir chambers iirc

[halcyon merlin]

what about karmelitta

[halcyon merlin]

oh

[fresh badger]

The choir is a fraud tbh, single wardenflies with tiny rune cages can subdue Hornet

[quiet flare]

I still can't understand why the weavers are so mad with GMS, she just lied about their origins but still doesn't affect so much right?

[halcyon merlin]

more like hornet is a fraud

[spark valve]

they were bound to service under her

[halcyon merlin]

a few seals can stop her

[spark valve]

they wanted freedom

[whole holly]

Defensive Song to protect them from Silken Curse

[spark valve]

those rune cages don't work

[halcyon merlin]

it would make sense if some got killed by hornet before she got captured

[spark valve]

hornet can just break out of one

[halcyon merlin]

wow that actually makes sense

[quiet flare]

Of course yeah, it makes sense

Everyone needs their freedom

[quick geyser]

But it did weaken her, no? Do you think the rune on the cage just wear off after some time

[whole holly]

Songs usually have unique properties but Soul seems to be overarching and related , even if somewhat vague

[quiet flare]

The first time I played the game I thought GMS had killed them.

But now I wonder why they died

[spark valve]

they just died out eventually, potentially related to the overuse of their silk

[quiet flare]

It was because they needed her to live?

[halcyon merlin]

well i think this is unrelated but like soul is basically the life force of a bug i guess

[spark valve]

the only surviving first generation weaver is widow whose silk is trapped in her shell by the pins

[quick geyser]

Are you talking about the weaver?

[fresh badger]

I mean they knock her out for a pretty long time, and the wardenfly doesnt die in the process

[halcyon merlin]

didn't gms kill weavers though

[fresh badger]

Meanwhile choir chamber gets decimated trying to stuff her in their rune cage

[halcyon merlin]

by getting her silk back from them

[quiet flare]

Yeah, their lore still confuses me a little

[whole holly]

yeah

[spark valve]

gms way way way later during the haunting sent parties out to capture weavers and she killed those but she didn't kill the ones in pharloom she was still sealed when they died

[quiet flare]

ohh that gives me an idea for a theory of why Herrah wanted a child so badly, she knew she was going to die because of needing gms

[quick geyser]

On an unrelated note, I noticed some bugs in HK verse just have an exceptionally long lifespan despite not being related to any higher being. Like, we know Hornet can live for so long is due to her pale nature, but how can bugs like Green prince and dung defender lived for so long? They are even older than Hornet is

[spark valve]

she wanted a child so badly because weavers have trouble reproducing and that was maybe her only shot at it

[halcyon merlin]

didn't herrah want a child just because she wanted a cjild

there's even the red memory dialogue

[whole holly]

or Eternal Emilitia

[halcyon merlin]

"those are their wishes certainly not mine" or whatever

[fresh badger]

Just lifespan stuff. Sheo and Nailsmith (and by extent, Sly and the other Nailmasters) are all old enough to have remembered the 5 great knights and PK's kingsmoulds

[whole holly]

yea

[quick geyser]

Eternal Emilitia has some properties similar to Dream warriors, so I believe she is kind of like a ghost

[quick geyser]

Which is pretty weird, because some bugs just have normal lifespan and some bugs are just immortal?

[whole holly]

what are those properties?

[quick geyser]

You know, the way she disappeared after you dream nailed her, she appears in the same way as dream warrior

[gentle aspen]

?

Emilitia doesn’t disappear when you dream nail her

[quick geyser]

Am I remembering wrong?

[quick geyser]

Oh wait shit

[gentle aspen]

!wiki eternal emilitia

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Eternal_Emilitia

Hollow Knight Wiki

Eternal Emilitia

Eternal Emilitia is an NPC in Hollow Knight. Their room provides access to a shortcut between the City of Tears and the east side of the Royal Waterways.

Location

City of Tears

Gender

Unspecified

Backer

Gavin Douglas

[quick geyser]

I’m remembering the wrong person

[gentle aspen]

?wiki Emilitia

Yeah

[quick geyser]

Mb gng

[gentle aspen]

its cool

[quick geyser]

I thought we were talking about the singing woman

[gentle aspen]

You might be thinking of marissa or dead cloth

Cloth’s actually a sort of special ghost because they disappear whether or not you dream nail them

[quick geyser]

Yeah my mistake

[quiet flare]

Kinda stupid what I'm about to say but technically GMS, is called "Grand mother" because she is somewhat hornet's grand mother 😅

[whole holly]

her name is Silk?

name Opulence would have fit her better and contrasted her with Radiance

but some say Radiance's name way forgotten and Radiance is her new name, so who knows maybe her original name was Light, like GMS's name is Silk

[quick geyser]

Is that true?

[whole holly]

not sure, probably theory

[gentle aspen]

No

[whole holly]

Jo?

[gentle aspen]

Seer calls her the Radiance

[quiet flare]

Idk, some people may have forgotten her name but she has always been radiance

[whole holly]

ok

[halcyon merlin]

funny name

Silk

[whole holly]

this is why Opulence would have been better name for Silk

and contrasted with Radiance

[gentle aspen]

well
Moreso the “Grand Mother” as opposed to “grandmother”

[whole holly]

as is Great Mother Silk?

[gentle aspen]

I mean just say it’s a preference

[halcyon merlin]

does any of the weavers call gms, gms

[gentle aspen]

all the weavers are kinda dead

[fresh badger]

I dont think she's referred to by name in any of the rune harps or anything

[halcyon merlin]

[whole holly]

it is, i mean, it is inherently subjective

[spark valve]

first name Naive last name Foundation

[halcyon merlin]

gullible

[quiet flare]

it could be the way Hornet calls her

maybe most of the names are from Hornet's POV

[halcyon merlin]

well she does write "Grand Mother Silk" in the journal no?

[quiet flare]

yeah

[gentle aspen]

I mean, no, Hornet never says anything about her name and nor does anyone

[fresh badger]

WHAT

Ok I havent even gotten all the rune harps or read them

[spark valve]

not actually

[gentle aspen]

The names are just never said in canon but those are the names

[sinful nimbus]

WE are never forgiving TC for naming the final boss "John Silk" and making her a Radiance ripoff

[fresh badger]

😭

[gentle aspen]

Like Hornet’s name in the first

[halcyon merlin]

a pretty cool radiance ripoff

[gentle aspen]

“Cool”

[spark valve]

That we might break free this accursed web born of our naive foundation.

[sinful nimbus]

❌

[gentle aspen]

[sinful nimbus]

OK well her lore is cool

[halcyon merlin]

you guys don't like gms?

damn

[quiet flare]

If there's a Grand Mother silk, could there be a Grand Father song?

[gentle aspen]

The idea is cool

[sinful nimbus]

The haunting is too mechanically similar to the infection though

[gentle aspen]

The fight and the method she uses to control the kingdom?

Ass

[sinful nimbus]

Also her design is ugly don't @ me

[spark valve]

gms is fine and works in context of her role in the narrative but a bit underwhelming

[whole holly]

true, should have made it Silkmoth named opulence instead

[fresh badger]

Hating on gms having a black body under the silk 🥀

[whole holly]

yes

[sinful nimbus]

She literally doesn't dude

[cedar skiff]

its because gms is void

[halcyon merlin]

i liked the fight, i think phase 2 should have had more variation or something new other than spam attacks more

the method well i don't see much problem with it

[sinful nimbus]

She's entirely white except for the hands and face

[fresh badger]

Hands and face yes

[sinful nimbus]

Her abdomen SUCKS

Goofy design

Boring to look at

[fresh badger]

Fat Ass™

[sinful nimbus]

Also she needs to use more silk magic

[halcyon merlin]

phantom is void which is why she got discarded🤖

[cedar skiff]

wait true

[fresh badger]

WAIT

[sinful nimbus]

She chucks rocks at you instead of like using silk skills dawg 🥀

[halcyon merlin]

you guys hate so much on gms

wow

[fresh badger]

Remember mebi's yap about the citadel's icons

[halcyon merlin]

hate more on lost lace

[fresh badger]

Early citadel icons still having the silk ball is bc it was gms's ass depicted not the cocoon

[cedar skiff]

i think he sucking in one on one combat works well for her her entire shtick is controlling from afar

[sinful nimbus]

Counterpoint it doesn't follow the rule of cool

[spark valve]

gms was in the cocoon in early citadel bro

[fresh badger]

😭 oh right yeah thats the shitty dell's purpose

I dont know my skong lore

[cedar skiff]

she doesnt use silk skills because those were likely invented by the weavers she really wasnt doing shit

[sinful nimbus]

If your final boss god doesn't look cool while fighting you've failed the test.

[halcyon merlin]

talking about the citadel can anyone explain to me how it worked

if gms was sealed

[spark valve]

so you got a god trapped in the attic right
play this magic song and the god stays asleep

[halcyon merlin]

and sincerely from my view it looks like it has no residents while hallownest does look like it had

[spark valve]

don't stop

[cedar skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hornet-silksong-gms-grand-mother-gif-9187303011339715057

this is objectively badass

[sinful nimbus]

It has residents but they're all slaves

[halcyon merlin]

unfortunately you wont see much!

[sinful nimbus]

Its a cool attack

Its also the only cool attack

[halcyon merlin]

increidble

[spark valve]

nobody has ever been hit by this attack tho

[cedar skiff]

erm

[halcyon merlin]

so the kingdom sucks a lot that it looks like it didn't even have citizens

[cedar skiff]

Well i dont get hit by this attack anymore at least

[sinful nimbus]

Ya

Your fate is either slaving in the underworks or singing a song forever

Not forever forever

[halcyon merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/gms-grand-mother-silk-silksong-hornet-lace-gif-12555888595701384440

[sinful nimbus]

Whiteward didn't really work

[spark valve]

or if you're lucky the immortality surgery won't work and you'll just die and get incinerated

[halcyon merlin]

i thought the weavers that sang it

[spark valve]

they were too busy partying so they got some slaves to do it

[halcyon merlin]

i see

[sinful nimbus]

Weavers designed the Citadel so they could "lavish in their false rule"

[cedar skiff]

also i love the way she looms during lost lace

[sinful nimbus]

Ruling also isn't all its cracked up to be though

Silksong is about the unseen pain of the upper class

[spark valve]

and then they died and some slaves had to take over for them and party for a bit

[sinful nimbus]

😔

[cedar skiff]

i wish we got to see more of the conductors and how evil as fuck they are too ngl

[spark valve]

I mean it... kinda is

[spark valve]

they did cogcore that's bad enough

[sinful nimbus]

Wow

idk if I can support this game anymore

I guess it makes sense now that team cherry are filthy rich

[spark valve]

as part of a larger point about how systems self sustain and even the people in power are a part of it

[sinful nimbus]

ts is why I stick to indies

[sinful nimbus]

Whiteward is really bad tbf

[cedar skiff]

silksong is… dark woke?

[halcyon merlin]

silksong is woke!!??

[cedar skiff]

ballador tries soo hard to get u to sympathise with him 💔

[near path]

I’m asking this here since Weavers appear more in Silksong. I know Hornet is virtually immortal due to her being the daughter of PK, but do Weavers also have a longer lifespan or not ? I’m asking since I’m thinking of making a Weaver fan character but I need this information to make it more accurate to the lore, so thanks in advance

[quiet flare]

I think they could live long if they're subsisted by GMS's Silk

That's the reason they wanted to free themselves from her. So she could live longer without depending on the monarch

[fresh badger]

Yeah we saw common bugs got life extensions through silk

So like weavers sculpted by gms silk also probably live ages

[near path]

that would track, it's probably unrelated but the Weaver in the first game was most likely there before the infection started

[halcyon merlin]

whoever did that

[halcyon merlin]

well yeah

i wonder if that's the only weaver that stayed in hallownest

[near path]

very good question, although I wonder if there are weavers in other kingdoms aside from Pharloom or Hallownest, I feel like it would be a bit like dragging it on to have the Weavers mentioned during three entire games but a reference to them would be quite interesting in a future game if there is any

[halcyon merlin]

it would make sense if some went to other kingdoms

but if they are alive or not its impossible to know

[near path]

i'm pretty sure the sole reason why they got messed up pretty bad in Hallownest is because of the Radiance, otherwise they would have probably been fine for quite some time more, and the ones who left returned to Pharloom to leave the skills for Hornet to use if I am not mistaken

(i haven't watched lore videos of Silksong yet which i probably should do so i might be wrong on certain things)

[viscid ridge]

The weavers in the spires seem to have died when the weavers left pharloom. And there definitely are weavers all over the world by my guess, because they fleed to where ever they could

But i think the weavers in hallownest either died of age, or something else, but not the infection

[whole holly]

ones that left hallownest for their old home? maybe they simply were punished by GMS, or idk possibly they couldn't complete journey

[twilit crest]

Weavers threw themselves into diaspora. I’m sure there’s others around now.

[split horizon]

Question: How tf those Pilgrims kidnapped Hornet

[spark valve]

A rune cage which suppressed her powers and kept her asleep

[split horizon]

Yeah but

[spark valve]

And probably like 30 something more soldiers who died in the process

[split horizon]

How did they capture her?

[spark valve]

Probably similar method to the wardenflies who also use rune cages

[split horizon]

I like to think that Grand Mother called her somehow, it's a cool way to think about it

[spark valve]

I mean she sort of did by sending like 40 guys with a weaver prison

[swift needle]

There's literally a choral commandment about hornets capture ✌️

"quell with rune cage"

[swift needle]

Wdym sculpted

Lace and the weavers a are seperate beings

The weavers weren't created they were uplifted

Also

I think the whole statement about the weavers in hallownest leaving to their home is retconed

Since we know they WERE NOT going to pharloom

And the weavers in the slides stayed behind so some weaver or someone of weaver lineage could take their powers and fight gms

The weavers use their song to quell gms

Hence why she's angry

[fresh badger]

I just used that word bc of how extreme the body modification to the pharlids was I know theyre not spun like phantom and lace

[twilit crest]

They beat her up or caught her off guard

[twilit crest]

You mean like sinner

[fresh badger]

First sinner?

[twilit crest]

Ye

[fresh badger]

She's enshrined like the other weavers

But the fight takes place in like silk memory

The whole place is different and full of silk stuff like the old heart entrances

[twilit crest]

Oh right

Silk memory shenanigans

[untold hound]

Is pale ore a thing in pharloom?

[frosty gate]

Doesn't seem like it

No mention of it

[untold hound]

Well

[frosty gate]

Right, but we don't see the ore itself like in Hallownest

And the mask don't necessarily have to be made with ore from Pharloom

[untold hound]

Yk it could just be hornets power that got scattered cuz she seams to have lost alot of power in comparison to her time in hollow nest

[frosty gate]

I mean, I'd say it could be but we find Masks all the way up in the Citadel

It wouldn't make sense

[untold hound]

Yeah you right

[frosty gate]

She definitely got weakened but the cage but it makes more sense if she got her strength back with preexisting masks

[untold hound]

Then how would you explain the pale ore comment in the mask its really the only thing i can think of unless pale ore is just a thing made by the mask makers

[marble oasis]

Mask Maker looks like he’s nesting in an old deposit

The egg looks similar to the Ore eggs in Hallownest

[untold hound]

Maby pale ore is just kinda a thing made by pale beings but since grandmother silk was sealed she could not make it anymore that would also make sense with how pale ore is scattered everywhere is hollow knight like under a statue of the radiance and near an egg from the pale king and the white lady

[marble oasis]

Amazing

You didn’t get any of that right

[frosty gate]

I mean, Hornet knows what the thing is made of

[untold hound]

Yeah she has a needle made from the stuff

[marble oasis]

Hivesteel needle was probably not originally pale steel

[untold hound]

If i dont remember wrong in the first needle upgrade hornet says something about it being pale steel

[marble oasis]

No she doesn’t

[frosty gate]

She calls it Hive Steel

[marble oasis]

Only on needle 4

The final upgrade says the “Hivesteel blade has been sharpened to its ultimate form” meaning it can’t get any better not that this is what it was originally

[frosty gate]

She says it on the 3rd first

The Hivesteel was already there

[untold hound]

Oh that makes sense i just remember it being something about special steel not what kind thats mb

[marble oasis]

Fourth needle not fourth upgrade

[frosty gate]

Wdym fourth needle

[marble oasis]

Hivesteel Needle

She doesn’t mention it on needle 3 (Shining)

[frosty gate]

That's just the second upgrade

[marble oasis]

Yes

[frosty gate]

I don't get what point you're trying to make

[marble oasis]

She doesn’t call it Hivesteel until it’s visibly Hivesteel

[frosty gate]

I didn't say otherwise

[marble oasis]

I think I misunderstood you

[frosty gate]

I really was expecting this image to be accompanied to an argument or some claim

[foggy fractal]

my claim: i think that might be paths away from

Pharloom

[edgy nebula]

what do we think this rune might be depicting guys

[foggy fractal]

i think it might be paths away from pharloom

[quaint dagger]

thats a bit out there

why would it be paths away from pharloom

[edgy nebula]

iunno we dont know for sure

what if it's paths TO pharloom

[muted lantern]

Does anyone know which bosses become voided in act 3? like the whole list?

[quaint dagger]

what if its paths to pain

[edgy nebula]

and it's for the weavers that are returning to the kingdom

[edgy nebula]

lowkey this sounds quite plausible, lets go with this

[spark valve]

It wouldn’t do them much good given that they can’t see it until they reach the kingdom

[quaint dagger]

also has the godhome sound byte at the end of the sos trailer been discussed

[edgy nebula]

no? i dont think it has

[quaint dagger]

its roughly the same audio that plays when youre near the p5 entrance

[edgy nebula]

i thought all we had to connect it to godhome was the lightning lol

[edgy nebula]

is there any comparison

[foggy fractal]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Black-Threading theres a list ihere

[quaint dagger]

im 90% sure its the same noise

[edgy nebula]

well, that's just a sound continually becoming slightly higher to indicate some type of glory or revelation

[muted lantern]

ty

[edgy nebula]

i dont think it's any huge evidence

[wheat locust]

It sounds like a tuning, which we do see in the server

[marble oasis]

Moss Mothers + one in the Grotto
Moorwing
Beastflies
Marrow Tyrant
Lugoli
FF Rhinogrund
Choir Clappers
Craggler

[edgy nebula]

fighting void craggler would make me want to kill a man

[marble oasis]

I’m going to fight voidwing in my current steel run but I have no desire to ever fight either of the voidflies

[edgy nebula]

do we think lace would survive after the end of act 3

e.g do we think hornet would be able to produce enough silk to keep her alive

[foggy fractal]

i don't think so

[quick geyser]

Probably

[quaint dagger]

curious what are the other times its used?

i only remember it with the pantheon

[wheat locust]

It's just used in the Pantheons

[quaint dagger]

ah

id really love if this update was secretly in part a godhome dlc that theyre hiding from us

[marble oasis]

If she gives her a silk heart she’ll live on her own

[edgy nebula]

the only evidence we have is the lightning and i suppose the sound at the end of the trailer, but it would be coll

[quaint dagger]

lifeblood monster in godhome 🤔

[stray grove]

She already had a silk heart

[quaint dagger]

hornet really likes stealing hearts from people

thats gotta be like

the 6th time

[stray grove]

Well

There are seven obtainable heart items ig

Three silk and four old

Zylotol’s gland is also a lifeblood heart don’t @ me

[quaint dagger]

the unused animations of hornet ripping the hearts out of the four heart bosses is lowkey kinda hilarious

[foggy fractal]

ok i won't

[stray grove]

Thank you ❤️‍🩹

[edgy nebula]

they look choppy cause theyre just the sprites put into the game but realistically itd prolly look better

it’s funny cause tc reused those anims for the heart death screens anyways

[quaint dagger]

yeah but just seeing her physically tear them open

[marble oasis]

Yeah so she would have been fine had we not stolen it

[quaint dagger]

absurd behavior

[edgy nebula]

hornet’s greed needs to be studied

[quaint dagger]

pale being activities

[stray grove]

I’m not 100% convinced that’s enough to keep her running indefinitely but we’ll go with that

[marble oasis]

Hearing her try to defend herself to Gilly if you take Karmelita’s heart 4th is so funny

[quaint dagger]

she legit killed karmelita for hype moments and aura

[marble oasis]

I suppose it’s possible Phantom had a Silk Heart that ran out

And who knows if they’ll still work after GMS dies

[stray grove]

The funnier part is her excuse doesn’t even add up

[edgy nebula]

4 silk hearts just like the 4 successor hearts… that wouldve been amazing foreshadowing

[stray grove]

Even if we accept that Hornet needed to kill Karm as a test of her skills she didn’t need to take the heart

[spark valve]

She could’ve fought karm and just like
Not killed her

[stray grove]

Even if she killed her she could have just left the heart

[quick geyser]

We don’t have to, we could just left you know

[stray grove]

Yes obviously Hornet didn’t need to kill Karm to begin with

[quaint dagger]

pale behavior

[quick geyser]

Tbh, her ahh was dying anyway, she was basically rotting in there 😭✌️

[stray grove]

But I’m saying that even if she did kill her she didn’t have to destroy the entire ecosystem in the process

[quaint dagger]

"oh shit bro this would be such a cool decoration!! hold on one moment"

[edgy nebula]

lace walks into hornet’s house after act 3 because she needs a place to rests and sees a beating heart mounted on hornet’s wall like she’s a serial killer

[stray grove]

It’s not pale behavior

This is slander and I won’t stand for it

This is Hornet behavior

[quick geyser]

She is

[spark valve]

She is there’s no like about it

[edgy nebula]

true yeah

[stray grove]

Don’t ask Hornet what she was doing in the Slab

[quaint dagger]

this big ass pk statue is pale behavior

[spark valve]

I think The Hague will have to ask

[quaint dagger]

he did NOT look like tjat

[stray grove]

There’s nothing wrong with this statue

He did look like that he was just smaller but it’s weird to claim he tried to exaggerate his size or was otherwise self conscious about it given he literally chose to be that size

[quick geyser]

“Drop all of your geo”

[quaint dagger]

hornets line about pale beings wanting power honestly explains a lot about lore and is an actual difference between pale and higher beings which is nice

[stray grove]

Hornet doesn’t say that

[marble oasis]

She got it from the beasts bro not the Wyrm

This is spider behaviour

[stray grove]

Yeah this is spider behavior

Her weaver relatives were all terrible people who did shit like this on the regular

Not my glorious pale monarch

[edgy nebula]

if we theorize the trilobite statue to be the king’s dead corpse or coffin or whatever this is literally spider behavior

family of freaks hanging organs and corpses on walls

[stray grove]

I mean even if we accept the trilobite statue is the dead sire that’s not the same

There’s a difference between a shrine dedicated to a former king and murdering someone then sticking their heart up on your shelf

Hornet is like an actual sociopath

[quick geyser]

Omg bruh

[edgy nebula]

<@&283547423706447872>

theyve stopped it with kai cenat, theyre using elon musk now

[quaint dagger]

pale behavior

[spark valve]

hornet is a weaver and gms is her kin through that bloodline

[quaint dagger]

eh

i mean the big reason the weavers got pissed and gms was because they WERENT her children right

[stray grove]

I think this is just a general statement about the temptations of power

[quick geyser]

GMS is also a pale being, no?

[spark valve]

yes but hornet does literally have the Evil Genes™ that do that

[quaint dagger]

yeah but she says its baked into her blood

like a genetic predisposition to want to display beating hearts in her house

pale beings desire dominance

[stray grove]

Which could mean PK or the Weavers or both in the sense that she’s predisposed to it but it being a temptation every bug has would align with the themes of the game

[spark valve]

yes

[quaint dagger]

this explains a whole lot of their funky behavior

[spark valve]

but in any case those impulses can be resisted

pk certainly resisted it

[quaint dagger]

dominance via worship

he was clearly viewed highly

[edgy nebula]

with silksong we shouldve gotten a live replay of pk trying not to absolutely eradicate unn

[stray grove]

No shit he was a literal deity

Who gave people sapience

PK didn’t dominate anyone

[quaint dagger]

i might be schizophrenic but im pretty sure theres a line about being worshipped or having followers counting under pale beings desires

[stray grove]

That’s not a line that exists

You might be misinterpreting the GP dialogue as many people tend to

[quaint dagger]

gp?

[stray grove]

Green Prince

But that’s besides the point yes PK obviously wanted to be worshipped

There’s more than one way to amass followers

In his case he left all of his neighbors alone to do their own shit and didn’t even really interfere with the lives of his own subjects

They had autonomy and chose to worship him because that’s kind of the natural thing to do in that situation

[quick geyser]

It a dialogue that exist in HK

[quaint dagger]

which one is it

[quick geyser]

It not a 1:1, but I think there is a dialogue about how Pale being wanted to build kingdom and shit

[stray grove]

What are we even talking about

[quaint dagger]

this one i think

but like lowkey how else are we supposed to interpret this besides pale beings want either of those things

[stray grove]

It’s not saying pale beings give you an ultimatum it’s just framed weirdly

[quaint dagger]

pk wanted eternal devotion

[stray grove]

Hornet is trying to absolve GP of the guilt he feels for abandoning Verdania

So she says “it’s not your fault there was a higher power that would have led to this outcome one way or another”

[quaint dagger]

she calls them the "only fate" they allow though

i would just take it they mean to say pale beings crave power in the sense of devotion or destruction

[spark valve]

because it's a downstream consequence of their existence

gms didn't do anything to verdania she was asleep for its fall

[stray grove]

She’s not saying “fall in line or die” because Verdania fell in line and fell anyway

[marble oasis]

The desiring dominance is a Wyrm thing not a Pale thing

Wyrms are biologically engineered to rule

[quaint dagger]

this one refers to gms too

[stray grove]

I mean it’s probably a pale thing too it doesn’t really matter

[marble oasis]

White Lady doesn’t

Unless you think she represses it like Hornet

[spark valve]

wl is just stupid and lazy nobody gaf about wl

[quaint dagger]

they had to wrap her up so she didnt go and white lady all over the place

[stray grove]

Those temptations can be resisted

[stray grove]

The desire to dominate is probably one felt by every bug it wouldn’t be surprising for literal gods to feel it more than others

[quaint dagger]

godseeker talking about the white lady

[stray grove]

I mean the first part is literally a theme of the game with the top of the citadel all the way down to the lowest underworks workers trying to dominate those beneath them

[quaint dagger]

also this

theres a seal on her

[stray grove]

WL is lazy and a bum nobody cares about WL

[marble oasis]

I do

[stray grove]

The only pale beings that merit mentioning here are PK and GMS

[marble oasis]

#feminist

[stray grove]

And the latter definitely dominated the lands beneath her

[spark valve]

if you want your evil girlboss gms is right there though she's also really bad at it

[stray grove]

Radiance

[quaint dagger]

white lady seemingly voluntarily weakened herself to not take over the whole place

[stray grove]

Radiance is good at it

[spark valve]

wl weakened herself to stop making vessels not to not take over qg

she already took over all of qg

[stray grove]

It’s funny how WL implies she was gonna continue popping out Vessels forever

Or at least for a while

[quaint dagger]

she says "I still feel that urge you see. I always will. A voracious desire to spread seeds upon the land, to propogate myself, to breed."

[stray grove]

sic

[quaint dagger]

weird thing i accidentally copied in

[stray grove]

It’s a spelling mistake

WL is dumb and senile you see

[spark valve]

she's talking about the vessel project and her role in it not dominance

[quaint dagger]

idk i feel a voracious desire is like

kinda odd

[marble oasis]

Come on bruh

[quaint dagger]

to propagate herself across the land sounds like some pale behavior

even if it was funneled into making vessels

[spark valve]

it's just talking about breeding

[marble oasis]

Read: Amorous

[stray grove]

If you wanna attribute any “pale behavior” to WL taking over QG is the better example

[quaint dagger]

thats one thing but a voracious desire to spread herself across the land sounds pretty power hungry

[spark valve]

the desire is to breed

[quaint dagger]

i think with the context of what hornet says about pale beings it makes a lot of sense for a lot of what they say to be connected to the way she describes them

[limpid summit]

HK white colonization metaphor empirical curve

I mean you can interpret a desire to spread your genes far and wide as an element of dominance

[stray grove]

Did you just come here to piss about

[limpid summit]

I wouldn’t say that’s crazy

[quaint dagger]

hornet says pale beings want power, dominance, worship and whatnot, so when all known pale beings in the universe display these sorts of qualities could it not be attributed to the fact they are pale?

[limpid summit]

But at face value it’s just that

She wants kids

[marble oasis]

I think she calls breeding spreading seeds on the land because she’s a tree

It’s not necessarily about spreading around

[quaint dagger]

she does say propagate across the land

[marble oasis]

Hornet is biased

[quaint dagger]

which implies spreading

[marble oasis]

All Higher Beings we’ve seen do that

[stray grove]

Hornet is also yapping

[limpid summit]

Bro she’s not a tree

[marble oasis]

She just says propagate

[limpid summit]

Why do people keep saying tree

[marble oasis]

*propogate

[limpid summit]

She’s a potato

[spark valve]

she wants to propagate herself which is what breeding is

[stray grove]

Ok whatever man

[sinful nimbus]

I am not my kin, maker. I've seen enough pain born of their dominion 🥶

[quaint dagger]

ah mb she says "spread seeds upon the land"

[sinful nimbus]

What're the most iconic silksong lines y'all

[stray grove]

She’s a plant like being it’s not strange for her to refer to the act of breeding as spreading seeds

[stray grove]

Stop derailing the convo

[limpid summit]

Now this is a convo I can get behind

detailing

[sinful nimbus]

If you aren't interested in a convo you can just come back later

[spark valve]

The less these gruesome bugs breed, the better.

[sinful nimbus]

You aren't the arbiter of what convos take place here

[stray grove]

Blackbeard and Luffy

[sinful nimbus]

Haha I love how cold she is towards those who piss her off

[limpid summit]

This convo is so peak I could die!

[stray grove]

This convo is so ahh I could die!

[limpid summit]

I like glidey glidey glidey

Why does the fayforn have normal ass kids

[stray grove]

Yeah glidey glidey glidey is pretty good

[sinful nimbus]

She's a normal bug dawg

OK well not exactly

[limpid summit]

That’s my theory

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ But always, child, I remain a daughter of Hallownest. And the void below all things, that darkness I will fear no longer... 🔥

[edgy nebula]

Our claws to rule… Our claws to crush… Our claws to save them all…

[limpid summit]

Shes obviously a bit unique but she‘s pretty normal

[marble oasis]

What kids

[edgy nebula]

i dont think thats the exact line but it’s similar enough

[limpid summit]

The reason why the Weavers venerate her as a deadly presence was probably because their dumbasses killed hundreds of her kids climbing up

[limpid summit]

The little Mario enemies

[sinful nimbus]

Driftlins

[foggy fractal]

This convo is so peak I could die!

[edgy nebula]

fayforn is actually the worst mother in silksong

[limpid summit]

They’re baby fayforn a

[edgy nebula]

has like 1000 kids and doesnt care when hornets kills them or when they get haunted/voided

TERRIBLE mother

[marble oasis]

The switch up from

I've no need to test my skills, sir, nor do I have time for frivolities.
to
If you offer a prize, that changes matters. I can meet any challenge if the reward is sufficient.

[marble oasis]

Oh so they are

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway the real tuffest Silksong quotes are

Hornet: I have known your kind before, sir. Yours is a tribe that works and trades in power, and I am about to extinguish its prime source.
Hornet: Once this is done, will you truly delight in a land so bereft?

Bell Hermit: Pharloom was not born of that monarch, Old One. Power existed in these lands even before she bound them beneath her

You are a slave, and a nuisance... begone.

[limpid summit]

Greedy ass

[marble oasis]

Now I want to see a murderless Mt Fay climb

[edgy nebula]

“I’ve no need to test my skills, sir, nor do I have time for frivolities”

“It was a challenge of strength soon to come”

[limpid summit]

Can it be done

[edgy nebula]

what did hornet mean by this!?

[stray grove]

It is a difficult thing to explain simply…

[marble oasis]

Ant racist

She’s already fly racist it’s not a stretch

She didn’t like getting called pale beast

[limpid summit]

“Hornet I get that you had to test your strength but did you really need to put her fucking heart on your wall”

I might lowkey die to Sharpe a few times on purpose Hornet deserves it

[stray grove]

“I might lowkey die to Sharpe a few times on purpose”

[sinful nimbus]

Our glorious assassin deserves the W as well ofc

[edgy nebula]

sharpe is gonna return in dlc and as soon as he sees hornet hes gonna realize how fucking insane and chaotic she is and indoctrinate her into being one of them

[sinful nimbus]

true...

[stray grove]

Compressed Hornet

[limpid summit]

I think there actually should be some dichotomy there

Like Hornet you watched over a dead kingdom for years

What’s wrong with some other randos doing it

[stray grove]

The randos are apparently evil or something

I mean so is Hornet

[marble oasis]

Preemptive excuses is crazy

[stray grove]

They also did that dichotomy with Second Sentinel already

Who is also an evil slaver

Everyone in this universe is evil and hates each other get with the times

[edgy nebula]

in hollow knight land if youre not the main character you should die and if you dont die the main character should kill you

[quick geyser]

What the fuck did I come back to

[stray grove]

The Sentinels are slavers

[quaint dagger]

its cause boss fights are cool and auraful

[stray grove]

A gleaming order, clockwork sentinels, so impressive-majestic in function they were charged-b-b-bound to the highest holy duty. Long before the c-c-creation of the core, the sentinels ventured, even beyond these walls, to see all bugs brought-forced safe to serve the Citadel

[quick geyser]

Yeah I remember that dialogue well. But didn’t second sentinel stated that it purposes were to guard the citadel? I think these sentinels have different purposes

[stray grove]

That was their primary purpose

They’re not even needed anymore

[marble oasis]

Doesn’t that mean they were protecting them

To see all bugs brought safe

[quick geyser]

“Forced”

Tbh the lore of the citadel still puzzles me sometimes

[stray grove]

Yes obviously the were protecting them while bringing them into the citadel by force

[edgy nebula]

even if brought-forced wasnt included you probably couldve said they just threw them into the underworks anyway

[spark valve]

brought safe to serve

can't be your slaves if they die

[stray grove]

This was long before the creation of the core

[spark valve]

well they can but that came later

[marble oasis]

The pilgrims wanted to come

[stray grove]

So the underworks probably weren’t a thing

[stray grove]

Not all of them apparently

[spark valve]

'brought-forced'

second sentinel may have been to grab rebels or built at a time before the pilgrimage was as well established

[marble oasis]

Forced to be safe

[spark valve]

to be safe to serve the citadel

[marble oasis]

They just didn’t know they wanted to come

[stray grove]

It’s brought-forced safe

[marble oasis]

The glorious gilded city

Hardly a service

More an honour

[spark valve]

ok definitely not a conductor alt

[stray grove]

He’s a vaultkeeper

[marble oasis]

I’m just citing the ancient texts

[quick geyser]

I fell for the propaganda 💔

[stray grove]

Most likely this one's true charge was to root out and condemn those not seen as sufficiently fervent.

[narrow horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-magic-lion-witch-narnia-dont-recite-gif-14879671

[drowsy kernel]

In the fourth chorus's theme you only hear the chorus 3 times because you are fighting the fourth

[limpid summit]

Hold up! His writing is this fire?

[marble oasis]

I heard it 2 times because I killed it quicker than you did

[foggy fractal]

i wasn't paying attentioj to the music

[frigid belfry]

merry christmas

[quick geyser]

Just want to see what people think about this video: https://youtube.com/shorts/wRlGS6xPiM8?si=62MhYnSnX9kzowRd

It is a short

[frigid belfry]

narratively it’s correct

Somewhatish

Lace has a lot of obvious parallels with thk

[quick geyser]

Can you tell me some of that?

[muted lantern]

Who's description is this?

[frigid belfry]

Well first of all both characters as fights are similar:

“Triple Cut: Double Cut is now followed by a third swing. If Hornet is behind Lace after the second swing, she can cancel the third into a Parry or Retreat.
Lunge: If Hornet hits Lace right after her lunge, she will retaliate with a Balestra attack.”

(thk attacks)

“Triple Slash: The Hollow Knight swings its nail 3 times. Each swing of its nail moves the Hollow Knight forward, covering about 25% of the arena in total. The swings are so wide that they can damage the Knight even if it is behind the Hollow Knight.
Lunge: The Hollow Knight lunges along the ground with its nail pointed towards the Knight. This lunge covers about 50% of the arena.”

Hornet directly comparing lace with thk (could also just be vessels in general)

“Life? You're too generous! This weak, wasting existence. This was not life, just a husk shaped to act as a child.
Hornet: Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others make the same mistake”

Hmm I wonder what “pure” could be referencing

“Better a child spun pure... than them...
...One to wish our waking...”

These are just the ones I could gather in like 10 minutes

There are a bunch more I don’t have the time for right now

[marble oasis]

I would say Hornet is comparing to TK but yea

It still applies

[dense ridge]

She says "others" plural so she probably means the Vessels in general

[marble oasis]

I don’t think the Vessels considered themselves not life

She’s probably talking about WL and PK there

[silk dirge]

vaultkeepers

[edgy nebula]

this is what i thought too, pk and wl considered vessels hollow and therefore devoid of life, shes probably referring to them

[quick geyser]

I already say this before but, Some PV cut dream nail dialogue had them saying things like “Do not think”, “Do not hope”, “Do not…”. I like to think PV tried to convince itself it was hollow but ultimately it wasn’t

[marble oasis]

this is canon to me

[quick geyser]

Ts PK Mfs knew PV wasn’t hollow and still went through with it 💔

[marble oasis]

what other choice did he have

couldn’t just go get another vessel

[quick geyser]

I could have made better choice smh

I would be a better king than PK trust

[fresh badger]

Wouldnt it be funny if he cracked open the baby pit just to find all the babies had died or scurried away by then, and he couldn't yoink out another vessel

[marble oasis]

That wouldn’t be very funny at all

They’d all be fucked

[lime iron]

Why is there a Hallownest Seal on this?

[plain gazelle]

it's hornet's tool pouch, no?

[lime iron]

You can buy them from merchants

Maybe I’m misunderstanding it as an object?

[plain gazelle]

hornet starts the game with it, the things you receive are just upgrades to its capacity

[lime iron]

OK

That seems fair

[ocean crown]

Yea it’s probably more visible to them than to us thing like maybe they add pouches on the sides or all around increase the size

[tardy musk]

Nope it's the button to close

[mighty notch]

i mean. it’s also the hallownest seal

[quartz salmon]

do you guys think theyre finally gonna implement swimming

i want a scary underwater level

[muted lantern]

Cant wait for a chase sequence with the savage anglerfly

[whole holly]

guys does anybody know where hegemol is?

[muted lantern]

in... in silksong?

[craggy smelt]

Hanging out with Quirrel

[muted lantern]

hes probably still dead

[whole holly]

in HK

[muted lantern]

Dead as a doornail. maggots stripped his corpse and took his armor.

thats what false knight is, hegemols armor.

[craggy smelt]

Chilling with Quirrel and Garmond

[muted lantern]

and myla

[whole holly]

but it is unknown if he is actually dead, would be great if there was confirmation

[muted lantern]

I mean for a royal knight to be separated from his armor by a maggot, hes probably been dead a while.

[whole holly]

yeah, you are right

[edgy nebula]

team cherry has implied hegemol might be around iirc

theyve left it ambiguous

[muted lantern]

rly? where is that said?

[edgy nebula]

in an ama somewhere

[muted lantern]

Id have to see it to believe it.

[edgy nebula]

a bit of digging was needed but

it is a little funny how this implies hegemol was probably some squishable weak thing without his shell

[muted lantern]

ty for finding it. But imo it doesnt really imply hes alive much other than saying it's not technically impossible.

[whole holly]

does anyone think Hegemol could have been Sly, since Esmy sounds like Isma

[muted lantern]

Maybe he was a maggot? the armor is made to be operated by one, maybe the false knight is a relative trying to keep up the legacy?

[whole holly]

Leg Eater looks like without shell

[edgy nebula]

this was also asked in the ama

[muted lantern]

Haha, not technically impossible lol. tho i imagine williams being silly.

Similar size to operate it

[whole holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlWXATDJAYU

[muted lantern]

it seems like hegemol was pretty small without the armor.

I think him being a maggot kinda makes sense, he uses the armor to avoid the bigotry towards his species. And other maggots can operate it easily. I like to think maybe false knight is a relative trying to keep up the legacy.

[whole holly]

what a non-answer, i get wanting to not spoil stuff, but in-game clues wouldn't have been bad

[whole holly]

why would relative steal to protect species that hegemol is already part of then?

[muted lantern]

To maintain the legacy of hegemol and use its strength to protect the other maggots?

it probably found hegemol dead

[whole holly]

hegemol is probably maggot size or similar, doubt he is maggot

[muted lantern]

definitely something small yeah.

[stray fog]

The things sly says about esmy don't match isma

[whole holly]

oh

[stray fog]

• apparently hegemol can't survive easily without his armour
  But sly can

[whole holly]

i am sure, Hegemol is not even alive let alone present character in hallownest, but. his defining trait is Humor and Skill

[whole holly]

Esmy, there is next to nothing we know about her

[stray fog]

#hk-lore message
Im reposting this in sk lore because I've posted it in hk lore 3 times already, and I still don't have a good answer

Hk lore is dead

[whole holly]

this is what i got from wiki: In early development, Herrah the Beast was named Hegemol.[24] This was later changed to her current name.

[stray fog]

I was misremembering some dialogues
I thought there were many references to esmy

[whole holly]

ok

[whole holly]

probably similar to monarchfly? maybe species that existed in previous civilization and important part of it, or just not necessarily meaningful connection

[stray fog]

Whats a monarchfly

[whole holly]

species we get monarch wings from

[stray fog]

Oh

Another thing mentioned only once throughout hk and never elaborated on 🔥

[whole holly]

Wings of a monarchfly that grant momentary flight. - monarch wings game manual description

[stray fog]

I wonder if monarchflies are pale

[verbal laurel]

This is act 3 spoilers:
There are 4 shaman snails in the game we see but one of them is dead we get told to get 3 hearts from the three left but there is actually 4 hearts that you can get so it means if the other shaman snail was alive we would have been sent to get one more heart BUT we would have seen one more memory in the red memories maybe the pale king

[whole holly]

i doubt paleness is that important, i guess they are related to PK somehow

[stray fog]

I don't think the number of heats required would change

[mighty notch]

also i don’t think the memories are dependent on the hearts hornet collects

[verbal laurel]

True but they only showed us that hornet has 3 mothers they didn't talk about a father so maybe it would be related to the hearts

[whole holly]

it is kind of ironic that Song serves as bigger narrative force in Silksong but is better mechanic in Hollow Knight , with Grubsong, Carefree Melody, Weaversong

[whole holly]

Grubberfly's Elegy if you want to count it

Needolin/Song mechanic would be better if it had more unique interactions and connection to essence

[mighty notch]

her father is the pale king, the assumption is that he didn’t participate much in raising her

[whole holly]

most likely true

[verbal laurel]

Did herra participate in that no she didn't

[mighty notch]

that wasn’t really her choice

[whole holly]

she spent short time with hornet, but she tried to be present in her life more than pale king

[verbal laurel]

True but he still got what he wante

[whole holly]

Pale King was better father for Pure Vessel than Hornet presumably

[whole holly]

guess who didn't get father, hornet

for that she should bind pale king's corpse

[mighty notch]

which is ironic since he was actively trying to not be a father lmao

[whole holly]

and obtain Monarch Crest

[whole holly]

yes, exactly , if he had to try to not be a father, he could have allocated attention to hornet

white lady contributed more to hornet's life

[quartz void]

Yknow, plasmium effects on ppl made me realise why PK banned it from his kingdom

[rigid imp]

If anyone ever needs this

[spring merlin]

This just made me realize that we can’t see the cradle weaver cages in act 3

[rigid imp]

Uploading it here again cuz there missing parts in Act 3

[rigid imp]

The cages that was used on Hornet once?

[spring merlin]

The ones with the lore, like “city of steel” one

[echo moon]

The cages in the cradle disappear yeah

Hornet’s original cage stays

[pliant meadow]

It gets crushed but yeah

[narrow horizon]

Crest of the S(h)aw

[lean temple]

Considering she dislikes being a monarch and a ruler, it goes against her character to want to bind her father.

[sinful nimbus]

If she bound PK she'd be a lot cooler as a person however

[spark valve]

nah she'd still be evil

her going evil isn't just because she bound somebody evil it's because it activated her evil genes and she can't resist them

[ocean crown]

Pale king??

[twin dragon]

It kinda does that since she slurps the nature of wtv she binds

but the crest shit doesn't seem to affect her that much since she can control them or smt

cuz they weak

[sinful nimbus]

where were PK's evil genes

[twin dragon]

maggot slavery

[sinful nimbus]

So true

[stray fog]

Baby massacre

[sinful nimbus]

That wasn't evil

[stray fog]

It was slightly evil

[twin dragon]

😭

not evil at all

[sinful nimbus]

Trolley problem

[stray fog]

He had good intentions but that didn't justify killing so many babies

[sinful nimbus]

Yes it does

[twin dragon]

Yeah i can also kill thousands to maybe save thousands

[stray fog]

2000 babies vs 2500 citizens

[sinful nimbus]

You know citizens can reproduce right

Also you made up that number

[stray fog]

Yep

Dramatic effect

[sinful nimbus]

Also the number of citizens that you made up is greater than the number of vessels sacrificed

So it would still be justified

[twin dragon]

it wouldn't

still a massacre

[sinful nimbus]

Yes it would

The alternative is worse

[twin dragon]

esp since they died for seemingly no reason

[sinful nimbus]

Do you know what a necessary evil is

[twin dragon]

yeah, leaving em to die because his dumb ass believed that if one were to climb they would be worthy isn't justified

[stray fog]

We don't know how sure the pale king was about his plan ig

[twin dragon]

He was rlly desperate at that point

[stray fog]

If he was only a little sure then its un justified

[sinful nimbus]

His plan didn't hinge on the vessels climbing skills you made that up

[twin dragon]

Then he left thousands in the void to rot

[sinful nimbus]

But sacrificing a finite amount of vessels to save an indefinite number of citizens from a torturous death is justified

[twin dragon]

either that or they died at birth

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah so

[twin dragon]

he was killing toddlers for no reason

[stray fog]

He could have just let them roam the wastes or whatever vessels do for fun

[sinful nimbus]

Not for no reason, no.

[sinful nimbus]

Dangerous

[tawdry flare]

PK is evil because he’s a colonizer not because he killed thousands of children

[spark valve]

they also weren't toddlers it was closer to abortion

[sinful nimbus]

So true

[twin dragon]

We dont rlly know if vessels died at birth or other reasons

[sinful nimbus]

Pro choice PK ❤️‍🩹

Unlike his daughter

[spark valve]

hornet is also pro choice and it's like the one good thing about her

[twin dragon]

Same guy who let several kingdoms be on their own btw💔

[stray fog]

He killed them after they were born 😭

[sinful nimbus]

A guy on tumblr said she was prolife

[stray fog]

And their birth was intentional

[sinful nimbus]

Nuh uh

They died in the eggs

[tawdry flare]

Nuh uh

He intentionally* suffocated The Radiance and Unn

[twin dragon]

womp womp

[sinful nimbus]

Care to bust out the asterisk

[twin dragon]

greenpath seems alright

[sinful nimbus]

Greenpath is suffering but that's cuz of Rad not PK

[twin dragon]

You could just say hallownest as a whole

[stray fog]

The white lady also took over a chunk of greenpath

[sinful nimbus]

Eh

[twin dragon]

Ya but she didn't do much crazy stuff to it

[sinful nimbus]

I mean actually yeah White Lady is the real evil one of the two

[twin dragon]

mossshit still exists there

[twin dragon]

White lady mastermind conspiracy

[stray fog]

What if the white lady convinced pk to do the vessel plan just so she could fuck

[twin dragon]

deforming her body just to smash is wild

and then abort them unnecessarily so she doesn't have to pay child support