sk-lore

[timber pond]

blog and stuff btw

https://www.teamcherry.com.au/blog/holiday2025

[silk dirge]

abyssal cinema

with shade lord

(i hope there isnt more void stuff lol)

[timber pond]

I suspect there might be in the LAst DLC

If we are going by the fact that, This game mirrors HK

Then The "Godhome Equivalent" will also be reversed here

[edgy nebula]

hollow knight switch 2 edition is cool

im eyeing the “additional graphical effects” cause silksong had good newer effects with things like the cogs from cogwork enemies and the coral from karak ones

[foggy fractal]

who aura farmed the best here hornet or the knight

[edgy nebula]

tk

they look fresh

[foggy fractal]

wait wtf

• Salubra's Blessing now deactivates after reaching max Soul.

😭 they updated it holy shit after 7 years of the game having released

almost 8 years

[craggy smelt]

they've finally gone too far

[silk dirge]

sylphsong is so much better than blessing lmao

its genuinely crazy

going from OOHOHOOHOOHOOHOO
to
oooooooaaaaa

[edgy nebula]

the game pausing while in inventories is crazy

[silk dirge]

tc really hates inventory drops lmao

what did inventory drops ever do to them

[foggy fractal]

killed their grandma

[sinful nimbus]

They're as bad as Nintendo at patching out fun glitches

[chilly gyro]

I think an unintended bonus of the new DLC is that we get to find out what passes for aquatic life in the HK universe. Do we get to meet shrimp and crab people? Or is it just a bunch of unintelligent crustaceans down there?

[silk dirge]

always bet on sealbugs

i need my marine mammals getting craw'd

[chilly gyro]

If craws pass for “birds”, then I guess it wouldn’t be too out there for us to stumble upon a bug-mermaid-thingy

[silk dirge]

a water bell beast would suffice

[edgy nebula]

tc says we’re getting new tools in the dlc, that makes me curious

what tools do you guys think we’ll get

[silk dirge]

dustpillo

(probably not)

i am going all in on the new crest theory tho

[sinful nimbus]

Fishing rod

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolas_spider

[silk dirge]

that looks so much like a chapel

[sinful nimbus]

Something like this

[abstract brook]

where exactly do yall think these new areas will connect to the current map?

[silk dirge]

shakra map room

[timber pond]

BIlewater

[silk dirge]

in bilewater

[abstract brook]

why?

[timber pond]

We already Data mined The bay will be connected to bilewater

[abstract brook]

i was thinking to the left of coral tower

[silk dirge]

thats where it connected in pre release maps

before it got cut

and where it makes the most sense

[silk dirge]

(bay assets in weavenest murglin)

[abstract brook]

oooooHHHHH riight i remember this

[timber pond]

and then i guess we sail to the right in a submarine?

technicaly out of pharloom at that point

[abstract brook]

a submarine? idk

[timber pond]

There were Rooms from ACMI That depict points where hornet gets out of a submarine

[abstract brook]

that is so sick omg

[timber pond]

also like

what do you think the thing behind hornet is

thats a submarine

[abstract brook]

i see the vision

[edgy nebula]

was caretaker/the shamans around pre-citadel

[silk dirge]

nuclear power submarine in my silksong? its more likely than you think...

[abstract brook]

what made me think the most is how theres LIGHTNING here at the top

[timber pond]

Depends on if you think snail shmans age or not

[abstract brook]

i thought the whole thing was underground??

and the surface is sooooo much further up

[silk dirge]

i mean voltnest has lightning

[timber pond]

Might Not be in pharloom, or rather its the utmost edge of it

[blissful harbor]

a big enough cave can have its own weather

[abstract brook]

i mean like from clouds and shi

[abstract brook]

that makes the most sense

and what could this be?

the candles remind me of the chapels

like the wanderer and reaper

[silk dirge]

yeah

im betting its a new crest

[abstract brook]

but i cant tell if thats a corpse

[chilly gyro]

That’s what I’m thinking. Crest of the Sailor or somthing

Pirate Crest?

[abstract brook]

oohhhh yeah yeaahhh its gotta be a new crest

definitely new memory lockets too

dude this area is gonna be huge

[silk dirge]

one thing i havent seen people mention is that its the sea of sorrow

what could that mean

the sea is sad?

[abstract brook]

probably just a depressing looking place

like greymoor

[foggy fractal]

people have theorized that its a bug similar to zylotol and zango which would explain the head blobs

[abstract brook]

i thought those were objects like the ones Shakra's master wears

or elder hu

but it could also be part of its body

wow i thought this channel would be way more active

[edgy stone]

Doesnt make me think of a bug honestly, seems more like something packed in there

[abstract brook]

yeah exactly, thats what i was thinking too

[edgy stone]

Orbs make me think caviar immediately, but like idk bug caviar?

Feel like the citadel cast would eat bug eggs for the sake of it

[abstract brook]

oh absolutely

[abstract nova]

what are yalls opinions on mossbags breakdown of silksong?

[edgy stone]

Hopefully this dlc brings alongs the boss rush

I kinda doubt it but idk dont wanna wait

[edgy nebula]

it’s ok but he gets a few things painfully wrong

[wispy drum]

Who's ready for the dlc?!

I hope gorb makes a return in silksong

Ascend to the citadel with gorb

[edgy stone]

All dlcs theoretically would have to be memory shit right?

As theyd have to be playable in act 3 and Idk feel like itd be weird to just go to areas completely untouched by void

[foggy fractal]

I doubt they'd gate it behind act 3 in the first place so I don't think so

but maybe who knows

[dull harbor]

could make sense since Zylotol's master brought lifeblood/plasmium from the salt waters to the wormways, but we never see their master.

[sinful nimbus]

Lifeblood stuff would be weird pre-plasmified wormways

And Hornet does a lot of irrelevant sidequests in Act 3

training arc with Karmelita 🥀

[foggy fractal]

Star how do we feel about the Sea of Sorrow is it peak name ?

[sinful nimbus]

Throw another onto the SS alliteration pile

[foggy fractal]

is it peak dlc ? will it save silksong's story ?

[sinful nimbus]

Never

[foggy fractal]

will it include lifeblood

[sinful nimbus]

Yuh

But more importantly submarines..

[foggy fractal]

do we think the lab is one of those kickstarter backer dungeons

[dull harbor]

nope, only plasmium, wonderful plasmium

[sinful nimbus]

uhh maybe idrk

[foggy fractal]

the description of the video that we would voyage beneath the salt-stricken seas, wonder if we'll get some underwater gameplay

[silk dirge]

submarine better be nuclear powered

i want to see what material would be used in universe for a nuclear reactor

very important

[edgy stone]

Id like another musix theme

[sinful nimbus]

They're cashing in on the Tidetale hype tbh

[foggy fractal]

true

[edgy stone]

Sirens call wouldve been cool

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[silk dirge]

ok but sirens is kinda generic lol

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah star who aura farmed here the best

[silk dirge]

theres so many siren themed things in games

[edgy stone]

Not a lot of sea music

[sinful nimbus]

TK

[edgy stone]

The new hornet art looks weird

[sinful nimbus]

Note how numerous NPCs note TK's aura but not Hornet's

[silk dirge]

sussy

[edgy stone]

Tk always has more aura

Because he has nothing behind his eyes

[silk dirge]

(we already knew its lifeblood themed lol)

[sinful nimbus]

Its weird seeing HK art in Ari's newer style

[silk dirge]

if someone ever tries to ai generate art in ari's style i am sending a full chamber to their house to claim them

[sinful nimbus]

I don't like how he drew TK's cloak

Garbage art actually

That's not how its supposed to look

[edgy stone]

Looks better than hornets

[edgy nebula]

sk-discussion is more active with lore convos than sk-lore right now

[silk dirge]

also that hornet art is definitely reminiscent of that one tsunami painting

[edgy nebula]

and it’s the best lore convo of all: lace age discussion baby

[silk dirge]

i forgot what its called

[edgy stone]

Yeay because discussion is a bunch of nerds

[foggy fractal]

theres no escaping it

[dull harbor]

infected hornet confirmed /j

[silk dirge]

it gives the same vibes for some reason

[edgy stone]

The dlc flashes her drivers license for half a second

[silk dirge]

i dont think they look that similar tho

[edgy stone]

Shows her age and the fact shes from Pennsylvania

[silk dirge]

(no way water looks like water)

[edgy stone]

Silksong all takes part in Pennsylvania

[wet oriole]

that actually sounds very realistic as she had lifeblood on her submarine or whatever and this screen that has cut dialog

[sinful nimbus]

Upon further review that is in fact how its supposed to look

[foggy fractal]

what did you review

[sinful nimbus]

What TK's cloak looks like

I like how its drawn here the most but that's not what it looks like most of the time

[foggy fractal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868762151504973835/1012536814105534484/attachment.gif

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah that's also how it looks in game

ari just changed it for godmaster art and onwards

[edgy nebula]

i wish ari used this type of rougher style more nowadays

it reminds me of a comic it’s real cool

[wide geyser]

lace = child?
i think not

[calm marten]

why bald 🤔

[foggy fractal]

was in white palace and mistimed a jump and got their horns sawed off

y'know it happens

[supple helm]

This looks like western pharloom, right? Like around the steps. Interesting as the rest of the dlc likely is the eastern reaches right?

[foggy fractal]

we see these pillars all around pharloom

couldn't find a better image but you get the idea

[frigid belfry]

is this not part of the stone citadel?

[foggy fractal]

idk who knows

[silk dirge]

omg blue in silksong lore

[supple helm]

These are mostly down and left tho

[spark valve]

they're also in bilewater and ducts, which are the areas that would be closest to the bay

[edgy nebula]

prolly not, we see them in ravaged karak, which is pre citadel

[silk dirge]

i was thinking thats a new crest

[supple helm]

Ducts lmao nvm

[silk dirge]

it has what looks like candles

[foggy fractal]

ducts. putrified ducts...

[left pawn]

A new crest is a given for a dlc, I feel

[silk dirge]

yeah

[edgy nebula]

im really curious on what tools we’re gonna get, since tc mentioned them in the blog

[spark valve]

proper musket

[left pawn]

I just want a water gun

[atomic widget]

Isn't the structure in the trailer just this from the ACMI map?

[foggy fractal]

seemingly

[silk dirge]

torpedo

[foggy fractal]

the top looks like what its shown in the trailer

[trail wagon]

It's the submarine Hornet will be using to traverse through the ocean

[timber pond]

Debug mode

This also Lines Up With Zylotols diolouge about where he got the lifeblood from so

[chrome lintel]

i wonder if it will remain the same or it's going to be more than that

[timber pond]

First thing team cherry making us do: poke walls in Bilewater😂

[timber pond]

If it were anywhere else it wouldnt really make sense

It has to be on the right side of the map for the in game cannon diolouge to make sense

[silk dirge]

its the shakra room lol

[timber pond]

I wouldnt be so sure

[silk dirge]

youll be finding it pretty fast

[timber pond]

Weavenest Murglin is where the assets are tho

[silk dirge]

thats where it is on the acmi maps

[frigid belfry]

isnt there also a giant bay looking gate in bilewater placed where the bay would be, indicating that its still there, just inaccessible to us

[silk dirge]

ready to find out what the fuck this is https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)/Areas#Ocean_Outpost

[timber pond]

We se oceanic assets in weavnest Murglin

so mabye

[silk dirge]

evidence for shakra room

[timber pond]

What year is this map from

[silk dirge]

after the cut

its on the latest map

[timber pond]

that does not look like bilewater as it is today

[silk dirge]

yeah the latest map is super weird

it claims its from august this year

but close inspection shows massive changes

that would not be possible in only a month

[timber pond]

Well wait a sec

if this is sinners road connecting to bile water

then what is this shit

[silk dirge]

weavenest

[foggy fractal]

speaking of sinners road

it wasn't orange a month before release which I doubt

thats my main reason in thinking that the august 2025 map isn't actually from august 2025

apparently theres a bunch of other stuff that would've been very unlikely to have been changed within a month but the sinner's road thing is what convinces me the most

[supple helm]

Bilewater from sinner’s + weavenest murglin to the right

[unique canopy]

Finished version of that section, for comparison

Layout looks like it checks out? It's just far brighter and more saturated

[timber pond]

@silk dirge The entrance would then, Be in the room where you get the double sling

Oh you meant the room shakra FIRST appears in

i thought you meant where shakras master dies lol

So then if we go by this....

[high plume]

WHERE ARE YALL FINDING THESE MAPS AND IMAGES?

[timber pond]

ACMI images of rooms that arent in the game, which they are making into the DLC

[high plume]

dang the DLC erea looks... intresting

[timber pond]

I predict the Dock will start Where Murglin is and be the edge of the map, Then we take the submarine to explore the surrounding ocean of pharloom.

[high plume]

I have 2 things I noticed. 1 this reminds me of the land of storms. 2 the little blue leaves (im assuming their leaves) look like lifeblood seed wings.

[foggy fractal]

theres also a bunch of these acmi images on the cut contents page for silksong

[high plume]

I can't lie. I think that the creature in the one room in hollow knight where you can get lifeblood in pantheons may appear in this DLC

[limpid summit]

It’s valid to wonder

TC already flanderized lifeblood

They’ll for sure ruin the mystery of LBB somehow

But I know I’ll find it tuff anyway

[timber pond]

This is a door

[high plume]

what I predict is that there may be 2 new ereas. pharloom bay and of course. sea of sorrow.

[high plume]

and at pharloom bay, you take a boat or submarine or something under or to an island.

to ender the sea of sorrow

[timber pond]

mysteries arent ruined, they are solved.

Its inevetiable if you make More content for the same universe

[dull harbor]

that's the vibe I was getting. like Karak. the foreground elements look like they could be coral

[high plume]

Pls I hope they give a new crest 🙏

[cedar skiff]

oh m god

you got o sleep early once and theres a dlc reveal

[dull harbor]

Crest of the Mariner? 🤔 Navigator would feel too close to Wanderer

[cedar skiff]

what the fuck😭

[dull harbor]

go to sleep again! maybe we'll get another 😆

[timber pond]

Not just any

[cedar skiff]

it hasnt even been half a year chill on us team cherry

[timber pond]

Lifeblood/ pharloom bay Story exactly as predicted

[cedar skiff]

we havent run out of shit to say yet

[timber pond]

It might be Alchemist Because this is where Zylotls master is from

[cedar skiff]

its some mighty aurafarming saving this announcement for not even a week after game awards

[timber pond]

Also,video description says we be playing Iron Lung with this one

Deep sea horror in the hollow knight universe

[stray fog]

I JUST READ THE ANNOUNCEMENT

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[cedar skiff]

this is how epilogue dlc can still win

give us a crest where hornet can fucking waterbend or some shit

[stray fog]

"across and beneath" the sea

Underwater

[unique canopy]

Epilogue DLC: plasmium is exploding out of Wormways and now Hornet has to track down the spire to find a way to either eradicate or at least control it.

Act 4: "God dammit how many times am I going to fuck everything up on one fucking quest even my father wasn't this bad fuck sakes."

[covert night]

still believing in my theory

[covert night]

it looks locked in the teaser too

[timber pond]

they said theres prob more DLC for next year so dont pull down your pants for an Epilogue DLC quite yet

[timber pond]

Thats because its an outside perspective

[stray fog]

Anyway
What are these things

The second image looks like its in the border of pharloom somewhere

[timber pond]

Fishing rods, Submarine , Body under cloak, probably a crest

[stray fog]

Blasted steps I think

[covert night]

it's western pharloom

[foggy fractal]

plus we see those pillars in bilewater and ducts as well

[stray fog]

The head of that body matches zylotol and zango

I think it will be zylotol's master inside the lifeblood spire

[timber pond]

They probably arent lamps anymore tho to be fair

[silk dirge]

might be fishing rods of some kind

[cedar skiff]

im fucked up man she’s genuinely standing there like shes in the avatar state

[foggy fractal]

trying to aura farm

[silk dirge]

maybe the lamps get tossed into the sea as bait?

i could see that

[timber pond]

but for what tho

[silk dirge]

you can see a string in the 2019 trailer picture so i think theyre fishing rods

[timber pond]

wtf needs Lamp bait???

[silk dirge]

fishing

[cedar skiff]

oh my got were gonna get to meet poo snail

thats awesome

[silk dirge]

who knows

all sorts of weird creatures in there probably

[timber pond]

Just keep in mind, we have never ACTUALLY SEEN A FISH

[wintry plinth]

Oh what the fuck, that's not something i expected to wake up to.

[silk dirge]

this would be the perfect expansion for it lol

[foggy fractal]

🐟 hi

[teal elbow]

SAME BRO. Im so happy

[cedar skiff]

tbf team cherrys loose character designing aside there are bugs that live primarily in water

[silk dirge]

i cant wait to fight voltvyrms brother in the ocean

[foggy fractal]

boltbyrm

[silk dirge]

impossible boss fight

[stray fog]

This is zylotol's master

[cedar skiff]

when they tease an underwater species on some atlantis shit and we get hollow knight atlantis coming 2030

[covert night]

it looks like a crest to me

or both

[silk dirge]

khann trying to deal with that annoying electric worm that keeps killing like 500 karaka each time by conducting electricity through water

[cedar skiff]

let him die do not bind that shit hornet i beg

[timber pond]

IT would make sense becaue Axolotol lol

[dense sphinx]

Does the alchemist turn evil?

[wintry plinth]

2026 is p ambiguous but i hope it's the first half of the year

[timber pond]

Nah Submarine go brrr

[mint stratus]

More zombie brain fungus sorta deal but with blue juice instead of fungi

[cedar skiff]

they are wasting no fucking time and this is mostly cut content so

[silk dirge]

nuclear submarine or bell beast but its a seal 🙏

[dense sphinx]

Oh hey zaza!

[silk dirge]

does he know

[stray fog]

[mint stratus]

Hornet jumps into the nuclear reactor forbidden pool

[dense sphinx]

He probably needs help looking for garmond

[silk dirge]

fun fact if you did this you would be fine as long as you stayed far from the core

[cedar skiff]

i wonder what the plotline will be

[silk dirge]

yeah go help him

[cedar skiff]

and how itll fit narratively

[dense sphinx]

Ok my prediction is that you will need a special song to call boss that can be used to ride over the sea but you gotta defeat it first (like bell beast)

[timber pond]

Stoping lifeblood

[stray fog]

Yeah he'll unite with garmond and they'll start living in songclave after that

[silk dirge]

water is an insanely good shield for radiation

theres a joke out there that if you tried to swim in a spent fuel pool you would die

from gunshots

[spark valve]

the reactor security team:

[mint stratus]

I was thinking more diving mechanics

[timber pond]

Wouldnt be suprised if this is exclusiveto Act 3

[cedar skiff]

the water higher being

[dense sphinx]

Imagine there is a dlc to the dlc and the water gets polluted

[silk dirge]

thats exactly the joke i was making lmao

[stray fog]

Some plasmium shit happens and hornet has to go to pharloom bay

[cedar skiff]

act 2 would be crammed with this so i think itd be act 3

[stray fog]

A plasmium outbreak

[cedar skiff]

its bleak

[dense sphinx]

I’m in act 3!

[mint stratus]

Quirrel is just there chilling cause he’s an isopod

[silk dirge]

hornet doing sidequests while gms keeps destroying pharloom

[stray fog]

It makes sense because act 3 is when lifeblood shit happens in the wormways

[covert night]

idk it would be weird to have dlc content in void infested pharloom

[dense sphinx]

Let me guess the wish will be available bell hart 🫩

[dull harbor]

ok that would be 🔥 if we can transmute/synthesize stuff somehow

[cedar skiff]

i think youre right on it being accessible through some sort of song tc already spoke about the challenge of hiding additional content so as to not cram it in with the main plotline

[silk dirge]

you should post what you find after following zaza

trust

[dense sphinx]

Oh yeah I forgot I have to look for him

[cedar skiff]

she learns to tune out the agonising screams eventually

[dense sphinx]

I died already.

[stray fog]

You shouldn't be in the lore channel if you don't want spoilers

[dense sphinx]

Hopefully it’s like the bell beast where you have to defeat it

[dull harbor]

inb4 Act 5 we learn that the Bilehavenites were regularly fending of incursions from the Steel Citadel and now Pharloom is being invaded because of us /j

[dense sphinx]

It’s not really a spoiler anymore since I know

[stray fog]

Oh

[muted lantern]

Hey is it normal in here today or are people as nuts as they are in sk-discussion rn

[covert night]

this is the dlc i want

[dense sphinx]

Plus I don’t care for spoilers since it’s gonna happen sooner or later

[stray fog]

Its normal

[silk dirge]

"bell beast water edition"

[stray fog]

I hope we get to pet this one

[mint stratus]

I would KILL for a seal bell beast

[silk dirge]

same

[covert night]

bell seal

[exotic compass]

Yum

[muted lantern]

Can't wait for it to send hornet on a quest and all its voice lines are just that one clip of a seal saying egg

[dense sphinx]

I could imagine it to be a sea serpent or an eel

[silk dirge]

i love that clip

[muted lantern]

A classic

[mint stratus]

I personally imagine a deep sea isopod, hold on let me find a picture

[stray fog]

If this is a submarine, then ig hornet's method of transport is mechanical, not an animal

[dense sphinx]

Imagine it being called “elegy of the sea”

[muted lantern]

Bell beast is already based on a type of isopod no?

[dense sphinx]

Maybe something could attack it

[mint stratus]

Deep sea giant isopod

[edgy nebula]

elegy of the deep, but it’s water, because youre in the deep sea

[muted lantern]

It gets renamed to just elegy

[stray fog]

Why does it look like the bell beast

[muted lantern]

Its what bb is based on

[dense sphinx]

Ok imagine pharloom is located underwater

[silk dirge]

wait since your here what do you think voltvyrm was like in karaks prime

[edgy nebula]

voltvyrm or voltnest in general

[silk dirge]

shit would be fucking insane

[stray fog]

We might not have gotten the coral area (underwater), but we'll get the bay (underwater)

[silk dirge]

i guess in general

[muted lantern]

What if voltwyrm powered their city, like the giant zapfish in splatoon

[stray fog]

Did they use electricity

[covert night]

second dlc will be coral gorge and voltnest trust

[edgy nebula]

my personal crack theory is that voltnest formed a natural border around karak

[muted lantern]

Who knows

[edgy nebula]

mainly because the squirrm seem to reside in what seem to be deserted voltnest rocks

[silk dirge]

i think its funny if voltvyrm just kept shocking and killing massive portions of karak

[dense sphinx]

Imagine “sea blood” as a alternate life blood where your health turns into clams

[edgy nebula]

there were probably multiple voltvyrm in prime karak, since theyre just individual worms

[mint stratus]

I have learned something today

[old quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-grimm-hi-gif-22138420

[edgy nebula]

fuck you grimm from the grimm troupe

[mint stratus]

Anyways this is my way of saying I hope team cherry adds larry the lobster to silksong

[edgy nebula]

originally there was a lobster boss in hollow knight with lobster lancer

But that became god tamer

[stray fog]

Grimm do you plan on coming to pharloom

[old quiver]

I would fancy a holiday there...

[mint stratus]

We were ROBBED

Do love godtamer though

[covert night]

such a downgrade

[old quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-shaw-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-13205433055363544945

[ionic basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-bizarre-adventure-gif-11387564

Just a theory

[mint stratus]

I honestly do wonder if most arthropods are bug-like enough to be elements added into the character designs

[covert night]

arent they all in blasted steps and karak

[stray fog]

Mount fay

[dense sphinx]

Is the radiance part of hallownest only? Are there different gods for each kingdom?

[stray fog]

Yes, yes

[ionic basalt]

Radiance settled in hallownest with the moth people

[mint stratus]

Seems they can only spread their influence so far

[ionic basalt]

But small came to rule the place and invade

[mint stratus]

She wasn’t a physical entity so I don’t blame his territorial dispute honestly

[dense sphinx]

Is the abyss underneath each kingdom?

[stray fog]

Yes

[ionic basalt]

The void is alwayd below

[dense sphinx]

It’s in pharloom and hallownest

[silk dirge]

i think its a locked door

[mint stratus]

Assumedly, not fully confirmed but hornet theorizes so

[covert night]

it looks sealed

[ionic basalt]

Skongers getting fed twice in a year after 7 years of famine:

[silk dirge]

i mean yeah you probably need to get a key

to enter whatever it is

[mint stratus]

I keep looking at the content like it’s going to disappear like a mirage if I try to eat it

[dense sphinx]

Ok you guys wanna know who I think is gonna be important in the dlc?

[ionic basalt]

Sherma

[muted lantern]

Hey guys do you think fleas are exclusively carnivores? Since normal flees feed on blood but these guys are hug, so they are probably predators rather than parasites in hk world

[mint stratus]

Yeah but shermas always important

[dense sphinx]

How do you know?

[muted lantern]

Fluffy fleas are cute untill you see them eat a guy

[mint stratus]

Well we know they eat moorwing

[edgy nebula]

well, we see them eat moorwing

doesnt grishkin also say she’ll eat hornet or something

[stray fog]

If there is lightning in the bay, does that mean that the bay is on the surface

[muted lantern]

which is why i said exclusively carnivores, since we know they at least eat meat.

[dawn gyro]

I GARUNTEE this is zylotols master and we are gonna use it to bind the crest of teh alchemist mark my words, I mean look at the shape of the lumps and the bits towards the bottom of the tarp

[stray fog]

Definitely

[dawn gyro]

land of storms, wait a sec that dot in the middle kinda looks like one of the godseeker thingies

[muted lantern]

if the alchemist crest bind doesnt spawn lifeseeds we have to collect to heal im rioting.

[edgy nebula]

i feel like zylotol’s master would be a boss

[covert night]

crest of joni 🔥

[stray fog]

Seems to far fetched tbh

[mint stratus]

It looks like a mix between the cradles elevator and a planetarium

[edgy nebula]

it’s a shell insignia if you look at how it lights up

[dense sphinx]

Having to fight alchemist master

[muted lantern]

Also as of hollow knight, interesting lore note, lifeseeds don't give soul when struck, like void beings. Does this carry over to silksong?

[stray fog]

Do lightseeds give soul?

[dull harbor]

they drink flea brew... which could just be blood, so maybe 😂

[silk dirge]

i think its a door of some kind

if you look on the acmi map its opened

[muted lantern]

bone broth perhaps

[silk dirge]

see this

[mint stratus]

Or a weird key!

[dense sphinx]

Maybe we can power it with life blood

[stray fog]

Thees look like hooks
For fishing

[silk dirge]

i imagine you probably need to unlock it before you can enter

[dense sphinx]

But I think the dlc is located in act 3

[lusty canopy]

Don't we see some kind of similar sands on the surface or am I misremembering

[stray fog]

Wait is this thing our submarine

[edgy nebula]

thing on the right probably, not the thing on the left

[dense sphinx]

And the main antagonist is gonna be one of the alchemists

[stray fog]

The art style looks like surface stuff

[mint stratus]

Maybe but it looks super broken

[muted lantern]

Lifeseeds still don't give soul in silksong or hollow knight i just checked, lifeblood contains no soul, which is why it coexists in the abyss, as we know the abyss is drawn to soul. I think this is going to be relevant to silksong?

[stray fog]

I think its the cut lifeblood spire

[ionic basalt]

Waltuh crest

[covert night]

i doesn't look like just a door. maybe we'll need to do certain things to open it like threefold melody

[dull harbor]

those look like two different things

[stray fog]

Waltuh. Dont overdose on plasmium waltuh.

[dense sphinx]

Imagine this it has a pressure feature, the farther you go down the closer your submarine implodes

[silk dirge]

how much you want to bet weavers made the submarine

[edgy nebula]

i have a funny theory

[muted lantern]

it looks like citadel make imo

[stray fog]

Could be the gilded citadel

[edgy nebula]

what if mnemonids are crystallized driftlins

[stray fog]

It looks gilded

Kinda

[edgy nebula]

since we know hornet crystallizes when she dies in mount fay

[silk dirge]

i think it could be very possible there were multiple submarines that cindril weavers took

[covert night]

when in doubt blame the weavers

[muted lantern]

i mean, it sounds very plausible

seems like the most likely answer

good catch

[hidden crater]

HES GONNA BE REAL

[muted lantern]

Its weird how much more normal people are here than sk-discussion

[ionic basalt]

Put down the plasmium waltuh

[silk dirge]

then what are the big dudes

[muted lantern]

does this make hornet jesse pinkman

[dense sphinx]

How much to wanna bet we have a boss fight you can only use life blood in?

[silk dirge]

mnemonords

[ionic basalt]

Cause no chat cd

[stray fog]

If we finally get a crab in sk, people might stop saying that khann isn't a crab

[edgy nebula]

uuuuuuuhhhh..

fat driftlins

[silk dirge]

absolute plasmified zango

[stray fog]

Frozen fayforns

/j

[muted lantern]

We need pirate enemies in this dlc. its a requirement.

[edgy nebula]

literally crustcrawlers

[silk dirge]

also coral furms are literally crabs

[hidden crater]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-gunk-icanttakeitanymore-thistimeimreallygonnadoit-gif-8341758396657046929

[muted lantern]

And no this isnt because i've been looking at cool ass lego pirate ships (lying)

[stray fog]

You activate the dlc and start playing assassin's creed black flag

[covert night]

grand father plasmium

[edgy nebula]

they arent, theyre furms, which are fuzzy weird things

you see furms in bellhart too

[ionic basalt]

a boss where you have to steal his lifeblood while he steals your silk

[edgy nebula]

the little guys with the bells as hats

[silk dirge]

they look different from those furms tho

[edgy nebula]

yeah but hornet still calls them furry in the journal entry

[silk dirge]

they have weird legs

[ionic basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/spirited-away-gif-9436109

[hidden crater]

A boss where you die

[edgy nebula]

dont know why thats the case but theyre fuzzy nonetheless

[limpid summit]

Furmnest is happening

[edgy nebula]

i like how they wear corpora clusters on their heads

[ionic basalt]

Just add omega flowy and tenna

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-widow-hornet-bonk-arito-gif-13643966964603239778

[ionic basalt]

Balancing

[dull harbor]

and you can only hit them with the needle phial /s

[ionic basalt]

Pls no

[timber pond]

One of the Bosses should be a Pirate duelist fight

[dense sphinx]

I asked we received 🥹

[muted lantern]

I want more moths in silksong. I love moths

[muted lantern]

Imagine a flintlock tool for hornet

[ionic basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-bags-floating-stuck-now-what-gif-5473087

[muted lantern]

or blunderbuss

[timber pond]

And then that big Crab Boss From Catelvania Order of Eclessia

[dull harbor]

keep asking! we could get a dozen DLCs

Team Cherry Hates This One Weird Trick

[ionic basalt]

What tc was cooking when refusing to attend goty

[muted lantern]

crest of the buccaneer would go hard

[timber pond]

Dynamite or a timed explosive would be more likley IMO

Cause we already have 2 gun tools lol

[dull harbor]

we also have pimpillo (and voltvessels in a similar space)

[muted lantern]

buccaneer crest has to change hornets walk animation to stumble like jack sparrow.

[covert night]

thank you

[ionic basalt]

Freedom crest
1 pilmpo (bomb thing)
2 silkshot
3 rosary cannon
4 plasmium

[dull harbor]

ok drunken master hornet would be 🔥

[lusty canopy]

I can see a Crest of the Diver kinda thing

[silk dirge]

"tools" could be blue and yellow tools as well

not just red tools

[edgy nebula]

yar har fiddle de dee

[ionic basalt]

Drugs and drinking ?!!

[lusty canopy]

Where is everybody thinking the DLC will take place?

[ionic basalt]

Absolute win

[edgy nebula]

pharloom bay is very likely

[dull harbor]

SHAW!

[muted lantern]

What if it's got a cool gimmick like a blunderbuss that does a ton of damage, but the pellets are short ranged and effected by gravity, and it gives crazy self knockback. It's something needed to be landed at point blank, and the knockback could be used to get cool openings where it pushes you out of harms way just in time to safely land the hit without trading.

[silk dirge]

i think theres definitely some cool potential new blue tools we could see

[covert night]

pharloom bay. some of the assets are left in the game

[ionic basalt]

Where is the bay supposed to be

Karak?

[timber pond]

Bilewater

[covert night]

next to bilewater

[dull harbor]

likely east of Bilewater

[ionic basalt]

Of course

Why did i assume not

[dull harbor]

you naively had hope you wouldn't have to go there again

[muted lantern]

Mark my words there's gonna be a hole in fleatopias far right wall where big flea crashed a hole into pharloom bay.

[timber pond]

The entrance either in the room where you get the first Shakra map, or where you get the quick sling

so not that deep into bilewater

[covert night]

there seems to be multiple entrances on that unfinished map

[ionic basalt]

Wait hear me out the stillkin is partly pirate already

Prob just infected pirates

[lusty canopy]

I was thinking hidden somewhere in the room with Shakra's master

[timber pond]

Nah look at the image above you

[silk dirge]

what room does the top entrance connect to

[ionic basalt]

When pshonka update 💔

[timber pond]

i meant where you get bilewaters map

[muted lantern]

What if in the ocean we meet more of monomons species?

[lusty canopy]

I can't tell what's going on in it

[muted lantern]

I love monomon

[lusty canopy]

Could certainly meet a good load of outsiders to Pharloom

[edgy nebula]

isnt it implied the jellyfish are artificial

[timber pond]

The top room is where you get the quicksling blue tool, but at the bottom of the room and the other is where you get the bilewater map from shakra

[ionic basalt]

We need more khann jellies

They are real

[lusty canopy]

This does not help much tbh is this like where Pharloom bay was / is as currently unused?

[muted lantern]

The alubas and ooma yes, But is monomon? I doubt it. I imagine she was experimenting trying to make others like her maybe. Trying to save her species perhaps?

[silk dirge]

quicksling is at the top of that room yeah

the rest of it is that really annoying mask shard

with the slubberlugs

[timber pond]

WAIT

[lusty canopy]

Fitting lore for a hk character

[silk dirge]

i forgot what the bottom of the room looks like

[muted lantern]

Keep forgetting there's actually something in the game called a slubberlug

[timber pond]

The deadly Fish

[stray fog]

The cake...

[silk dirge]

can anyone check if theres anything that entrance might connect to

[ionic basalt]

Is a lie...

[timber pond]

No you fools!

[muted lantern]

Which one?

[timber pond]

willam tweets what he thinks about

Deadly fish

[silk dirge]

the top one

i know theres a broken door near shakra

[silk dirge]

is there smth similar at the top

[timber pond]

The first boss will be a deadly fish

[covert night]

who is this

[stray fog]

William

Afton

[muted lantern]

"I'll be your killer fish for today"

[lapis creek]

if the fish were not deadly i would say it shouldnt be a boss

[stray fog]

Moss mother:

[lapis creek]

true

[stray fog]

/j

[timber pond]

Hornet gonna have to kill the deadly fish first to get the stuck submarine

[lapis creek]

the fish is deadly only to game journalists

[ionic basalt]

Hollow knight silksong: subnautica port

[lusty canopy]

Is the bay dried out? It looks like some part of the trailer is sandy yet the (splendid) shot with Hornet shows waves. Perhaps this is in a memory?

[timber pond]

Nah dosent seem like it

[covert night]

hornet never went there it cant be a memory

[timber pond]

In weavenest murglin theres a ton of actuall water coming from the roof and seaweed

[dull harbor]

Monomon could have also started out differently and applied some of their learnings toward transmogrifying themself, in a way similar to Zylotol (or the Soul Master for a hallownest example of wild experimentation)

[silk dirge]

bottom entrance

[muted lantern]

What's the map location on that one?

That looks like it's gotta be dlc entrance tho

[silk dirge]

its where you buy the map from shakra

[timber pond]

yep so right here

[muted lantern]

In putrified or bilewater

[ionic basalt]

Bile water prob

[lapis creek]

idk how they are gonna fit this into the main story

[timber pond]

Its in bilewater

[ionic basalt]

But ducts might receive future updates

[ionic basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/biggie-smalls-pimpin-swag-throne-king-gif-12345760840074274046

[silk dirge]

and the top entrance?

[timber pond]

the gate Pog posted is right next to the red line

[muted lantern]

That is something I'm curious about, is it going to be post game or like the original, it seems like it would be an odd thing to go do in act 3

[ionic basalt]

They need to use the elegy more

Maybe

[lapis creek]

post game could work

idr what they said in the interview

[muted lantern]

One could also consider we reach the bay through deep elegying zylotol

[lusty canopy]

I'm talking from the trailer. For me it's kinda hard to interpret that as anything but a similar kind of sandy winds as seen in Sands of Karak or the Blasted Steps

[silk dirge]

OK WAIT ITS 100% THIS

[timber pond]

Its going to have New areas and bosses plural,so it might be its own story or something like Ringed city from DS3

[covert night]

what are the locations of these two

[lusty canopy]

Plasmium side quests but maximized

[ionic basalt]

Enter a dream where bilewater was called ()water and pharloom bay is real

[muted lantern]

Hi welcome to water, I'm groal the normal guy

[lusty canopy]

New area: water

[lusty canopy]

groal the goat

[lapis creek]

stillwater is still the best name for it

[muted lantern]

Groal the

[silk dirge]

let me make a map real quick

[dull harbor]

yeah, we could get like a "CODA" after ACT 3

[lapis creek]

lmao

[ionic basalt]

Just add act 4

[edgy nebula]

mango mango 67 stillwater balkan rage

[lapis creek]

what

[covert night]

*palewater

[limpid summit]

Anyone brought up this yet

[lapis creek]

no

[covert night]

yes because pale lake exists

[lapis creek]

not happening

[limpid summit]

Close to wormways and close to karak where water would have flowed

[dull harbor]

the main plot is so tied to Lace and GMS though, and fits an actual three-act structure

[lapis creek]

i dont remember what the ingame clues were for the location of the salt water

[limpid summit]

👀 👀 👀

[timber pond]

we already have overwhelming proof that its near the side of the map that actually has liquid still

[muted lantern]

Since zylotols master is in this place, and he seems to have come from the left of wormways imo, I'd say it's possible

[edgy nebula]

add an act 4 where we explore the past with lace

introduce some magic stuff where lace can remember the past from her mother’s silk

[ionic basalt]

Tc adding a pirate/water related update
What could this mean
||and possibly more drugs||

[muted lantern]

Every new line of dialogue with lace is 3 more years of lace age discourse

[lapis creek]

NO

[limpid summit]

You know what lives in water

A red herring

[timber pond]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1337574443127541811/1394046963095175199/image0.gif

[lapis creek]

she could literally call herself a child 5 more times and people would still want to romantically involve her with hornet

[limpid summit]

Lace could say “I am a child Hornet” and it would still happen

[lapis creek]

it's an epidemic

[edgy nebula]

dont worry when you get to the cradle at the end of act 4 she says “im a child. im legally 14. hornet is my nephew.”

[limpid summit]

Ufhhh

Snail

[ionic basalt]

A thousand year old child sure

[limpid summit]

Yes

[lapis creek]

yes

[muted lantern]

And if there's confirmations that disagree with fanon of the character it will cause riots and bloodshed unfortunately

[lapis creek]

there is

there already is

[dull harbor]

sidenote, I have to mention (and maybe it's already well known in this channel), the Act 3 ending menu screen does not show Lace's pin. The curve of the grip fits the type of pin Pinstress and some others have, not Lace's. So canon Hornet is having postgame adventures with Pinstress ||/j about the last part, but fr graphically it doesn't actually match Lace's even though that's obviously the intent||

[muted lantern]

I imagine it's just more detailed so extra features were added

[silk dirge]

what

[lapis creek]

nah pinstress is actually my goat im accepting that as the new canon

[silk dirge]

thats exactly how the pin looks in the lace 2 cutscene

[dull harbor]

it's not even more/less features. it's just a different shape

[limpid summit]

Pinstress is genuinely worse than all the nailmasters

Except Oro

She’s just mean

[lapis creek]

shes a worse fighter but shes funny

[muted lantern]

Pinstress is the goat

I love her

[silk dirge]

ok wait yeah that is weird

[lapis creek]

she would probably beat oros ass unless he learns to stop wielding his nail like a club

[dull harbor]

exactly

so yeah, Hornet & Pinstress BFFs

[silk dirge]

it doesn't mean anything

[muted lantern]

It's shape is simpler so it's easier to animate

[silk dirge]

its just stylization

[covert night]

i just realized some part of this thing is broken

[dull harbor]

let me have my humor 😛

[edgy nebula]

isnt phantom’s/seth’s pin different in animations though

[ionic basalt]

Also why isnt there an emoji/sticker with lace laugh/tapping her head

[lapis creek]

yeah i guess something escaped the lab

[muted lantern]

No clue, do you have their spritesheet?

[silk dirge]

i think its possible these 2 are later cutscenes

[ionic basalt]

Can they add a boss that just wants to inject silk into everyone

[silk dirge]

and lace was designed earlier on

[covert night]

plasmified lace

[silk dirge]

the lace 2 cutscene is definitely newer

[edgy nebula]

lace is just inconsistent

[silk dirge]

its very detailed and stuff

so i think its just a newer stylization

[limpid summit]

Please let us take him on a boat ride

I hope he gets a satisfying continuation

His memento stuff is all like our friendship has only begun

[edgy nebula]

yes more seth lore would be great

[dull harbor]

Hollow Knight: The Adventures of Seth and Hornet confirmed

[ionic basalt]

Seth the pirate

[edgy nebula]

seth’s head is weird

why is it always in shadow

[dull harbor]

concave face /j

[limpid summit]

Because of the golden crown we can’t see

Cause he’s awesome

[final summit]

||I just saw the Sea of sorrows trailer and one thing I Immediately thought was Godhome, I thought this because of the Lightning cause the God seekers gods were gods of Lightning. Boom||

[edgy nebula]

ive made it, graig’s answered my karak question

[muted lantern]

Question, is phantom an adult? I always assumed the difference between them and lace was that phantom was allowed to grow, and them growing up and becoming their own person outside of what gms wanted them to be is what got them discarded, and why lace was made the way she was. what do yall think?

[edgy nebula]

we really have no clue

[muted lantern]

They do have a far deeper and more mature sounding voice, but voices arent really a good manner to judge considering fucking pilby is a grown ass man

[edgy nebula]

phantom’s silk is old and frayed but we dont actually know if silk constructs can physically age, though i assume mentally aging comes down to if gms lets them or not

ive always attributed phantom’s voice (specifically when she does the organ slam attack) to tying her into weavers, being a rejected child and all

since her voice gets very rough there and weavers are notorious for sounding like they eat nails

[muted lantern]

I don't think it's farfetched to claim they don't share laces eternal child status, due to nothing in the game really saying so, and it feels like there needed to be some distinction between the way the two were made to justify phantom being discarded, them growing into someone that wasnt what gms wanted seems like a satisfying explanation. It seems fair to assume the arrested development thing was by design from gms to keep lace emotionally reliant, so it kinda fits with phantom being the failed rough draft.

but tbf it's all assumptions as we get like no phantom lore really

[wintry plinth]

Do we actually know what these petals are?

Looks like... I don't know, it doesn't really look like plasmium because it's duller than plasmium...

[trail wagon]

No

[trail wagon]

We don't really know, but most likely it's related to Plasmium/Lifeblood

Yes

[wintry plinth]

Question (one which i know is impossible to answer) is, how big will the dlc be... I know it's a delusional hope but i really want it to be a proper dlc with a few areas or at least one that's very big, not just something like lifeblood update

[muted lantern]

They remind me of the plasmium wings grown by the wormways bugs

[trail wagon]

Doesn't it only show up after act 3 completion?

[wintry plinth]

I want it to be an experience for more than 2 hours

And i also want to make a second savefile for the end of act 2 cuz idk if that area is at all gonna be accessible in act 3

[trail wagon]

Pretty big, at least 2 new areas and almost certainly a new crest

[wintry plinth]

Wait, 2?

[trail wagon]

Bay, Lab

[viscid ridge]

Holy shit lifeblood spire confirmed i k ew team cherry wouldn't let us down

[trail wagon]

The description says "areaS"

[trail wagon]

So at least 2

[wintry plinth]

Wait hollup let me actually read it

[trail wagon]

BosseS

toolS

[viscid ridge]

Now team cherry give me a lifeblood boss and my life is yours

[trail wagon]

I'm almost certain they will

Might even be Zylotol

[viscid ridge]

Actually there can be like 3 areas, cause we see on the hollow knight map that there is various islands we wil be able to visit

4 if you count the bay itself

[wintry plinth]

Yt description doesn't say that, am i reading in the wrong place

[trail wagon]

Where? Are you talking about the cut ocean rooms?

[wintry plinth]

Oh right they have a fucking blogpost

[trail wagon]

Not the video, the site article

[trail wagon]

Yeah, that one

[viscid ridge]

So Actually maybe 5 areas, the bay, these 4 islands and the lifeblood spire

All these, except the bay is on the 2025 map on the bottom

[trail wagon]

Yes

[trail wagon]

So at least 2, most likely 3 or 4

[silk dirge]

it also shows up in the lace 2 cutscene

and her pin is visible in sotv

[wintry plinth]

Wow, that dlc might actually be really massive

[trail wagon]

I'd say the islands could be grouped in one area

[trail wagon]

Also there will be some underwater area

[trail wagon]

Since we're told we'll be able to DESCEND

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, but im saying they'll probably all be subareas of the sea, like in the citidel

[silk dirge]

i have a boss prediction

sorrowful trobbio

[trail wagon]

Of yeah, prolly

[trail wagon]

LMAO

[wintry plinth]

Is that the only screenshot of lifeblood spire we have?

[viscid ridge]

And SUCK IT to whoever said that there wasn't a sea next to pharloom

[trail wagon]

What exactly? The pin? I'm talking specifically about the pin on the menu screen

[viscid ridge]

There is a better screenshot but i didn't save it, but in the trailer itself we also get a better look at it

[trail wagon]

The best one so far. It's no longer referred to as Lifeblood Spire, it's the Lab

[silk dirge]

the pin yeah

[muted lantern]

When will we get rainbow woke trobbio

[hushed crater]

Idk why but the art for the update reminds me of avatar

[silk dirge]

bc people were discussing it has an inconsistent design

between her in game sprites

and cutscenes

[limber patio]

Sopping wet beastfly

[trail wagon]

Ohhh got it

[silk dirge]

its likely lace probably was the first pin designed and they changed it later

[trail wagon]

Chapel of the Alchemist??

Alchemist's Crest????

[muted lantern]

Interestingly enough those head growths seem to be caused by plasmium, look at the big plasmified worms

[trail wagon]

Yeah, I noticed that too

[trail wagon]

And what's also interesting, is that Zylotol doesn't change much after being infected

[wintry plinth]

Wait a minute, i forgot he said that. Now i see why it might be lifeblood.

[solar tapir]

Whoa

[trail wagon]

Like the only difference is that now there are vines growing out of his body and his eyes are glowing

[trail wagon]

Yes

[muted lantern]

he seems like hes going the way of zango

[trail wagon]

It's probably close to where lifeblood was discovered

[solar tapir]

I wonder now in which act it will be accessible

[trail wagon]

Prolly both 2 and 3

[muted lantern]

but if the growths are from plasmium, that probably shows why he didn't change much, he was already mutating when we found him.

[trail wagon]

My best guess

[trail wagon]

Yes, precisely, that's where I'm driving at

[muted lantern]

god the comparison is more direct than i remember, look at it

compared to groms

[solar tapir]

Cant wait for another masterpiece from Christopher

[wintry plinth]

Btw, any ideas on what this covered thing at 0:10 is?

[muted lantern]

Zylotols horns probably used to be more pointy

[solar tapir]

i bet that area will be magical

[wintry plinth]

Like wtf is this a bag of stones

[solar tapir]

or maybe eerie

[muted lantern]

looks like a dead alchemist, has zylotols head growths peeking out, i imagine its probably from a chapel that will give us a crest as it's covered like reapers crest body

[trail wagon]

Ahhh

[viscid ridge]

To me personally it looks like a clam, but this is very likely

[trail wagon]

I wanted to send it ahahs

[muted lantern]

same thing happens to them on a smaller level

the side bumps

[viscid ridge]

Why are we looking at?

[muted lantern]

also look at the wings! they are the same pattern as the ones we see in the trailer!

[muted lantern]

the weird head bumps on zylotol and zangos head are plasmium mutations not natural, look how they appear on the plasmified grom

[trail wagon]

Yes yes

I noticed that too hahaha

[viscid ridge]

Ok umm thats a stretch, i know they are both associated with plasmium, but i dont think their headbumps have anything to do with it

[trail wagon]

It has changed a little bit though

[viscid ridge]

I just think the bug zylotl was based off looks like that

[muted lantern]

the groms didn't have them before plasmium. but now they do.

[muted lantern]

there aint a bug that looks like that

[trail wagon]

He was based on axolotls

[viscid ridge]

Inst he based on that one wierd looking caterpillar?

[trail wagon]

That's why he looks like that and even his name is derived from the word 'axolotl'

[muted lantern]

the plasmium seems to cause these rounded growths, even distorting existing horns into them, adds wings, bloats the shell, changes coloration, and distorts the mask, making orifices connect into one eventually.

[viscid ridge]

Yall can believe it if you want, im just saying its a stretch 😅

[trail wagon]

Who? Zylotol?

[trail wagon]

Yeah, precisely

[viscid ridge]

Yeah,

[trail wagon]

Like they used to be pointy

And now they're not

[trail wagon]

And they also grew out fur

[muted lantern]

why would creatures without that feature gain them after plasmium then. i don't think zylotol is getting freaky with the wildlife

[trail wagon]

Honestly I feel like it's pretty obvious

[viscid ridge]

Bruh what?

[muted lantern]

was making a joke, why a feature from zylotol is appearing in the wildlife, the best explanation is it's from plasmium.

[trail wagon]

They're trying to say that Lifeblood affects the structure of bugs' shells

Which is very clearly seen in the game

[muted lantern]

those weird bulbous growths on zylotols head appear on the groms after mutation.

[trail wagon]

And they become more similar to Zylotol in terms of their shape and color palette

[viscid ridge]

This is what i always asumed everyone thought that zylotl was based on

[trail wagon]

Yeah, that's right, so prolly there's some connection

[trail wagon]

Why,?

I don't see any resemblance

[muted lantern]

we know hes already taking lifeblood so it's not farfetched to assume he has a lifeblood mutation.

[trail wagon]

That looks literally like him

[muted lantern]

looks nothing alike

[trail wagon]

Yes

[viscid ridge]

Yeah and hornet looks like a spider

[muted lantern]

no she looks like a weird crossbreed between a spider and the paleking

[viscid ridge]

Im making a joke

[trail wagon]

Craws look nothing like crows

hahahha

[muted lantern]

But anyway my point being, theres no explanation for why the wildlife surrounding zylotol starts looking like zylotol after mutating from lifeblood, the only linking factor are they are both consuming lifeblood, hence the horns being mutations is the occams razor explanation.

the best counterevidence to this point is jonii. imo

but lifeblood in pharloom seems to have different traits from the hallownest strain

lifeseeds have wings and such

do they?

[trail wagon]

No, sorry

I thought you were telling about the butterfly things

[viscid ridge]

The reason im disagreeing a bit with your interpretation of the growths, i that zylotl and his assistant seems to just look like that. As far as we have seen the mutations only start to acour after lifeblood has completely taken over, which zylotl was not. Not even joni looked anything like this. Thats why i think your making correlations where there is none, but id love to be proven wrong next year 🥳

[trail wagon]

They only have legs

[trail wagon]

Zylotol and his assistant could've tried smaller doses

[muted lantern]

well we don't really see any transitional state between the other creatures so we can't say that for sure. they go from no lifeblood to fully mutated, the best characters we have to show that in between state are the alchemists.

[trail wagon]

And lifeblood would be taking over them slower and more gradually

[viscid ridge]

Exactly then

[trail wagon]

All of these are speculations, but I don't it's a random coincidence

It would be weird to make them so similar for no reason

[muted lantern]

thus the alchemists having much less severe forms of the mutations.

but still having those same traits.

[muted lantern]

also im not saying there is no transitional state for the groms, just that we don't get to see it for gameplay purposes.

[viscid ridge]

Not a coincidence, but the theory is based on almost nothing. For all we know the reason they all look like that is because zylotl is the source of the lifeblood in wormways, which splices his characteristics with all the wildlife

Thats all im getting at

[trail wagon]

This could also show the lifeblood mutation

[muted lantern]

hence my earlier joke lol, i think thats way more farfetched. and not something id seriously consider

[trail wagon]

Like it's becoming more powerful in an unrestricted environment

[viscid ridge]

As im saying, this random far fetched theory has as much basis as yours

[trail wagon]

He is gradually becoming one, but he injected lifeblood into the wildlife first, it's not that he became the lifeblood source and spread his "seeds"

[trail wagon]

He's also doing it manually, evidently

So there should be no correlation, because there are no genes from his body being passed on other bugs

Or anything like that

[viscid ridge]

My guess is that the spire will be the farthest island we need to visit, with the tinyer islands in between

I think one of these in between islands is going to be a rework of the gloom

[trail wagon]

Yeah, I've seen this a billion times ahahahaha

[muted lantern]

not really, we know lifeblood mutates, we never meet zylotol before he takes lifeblood, the plasmidas is intentionally designed to have the same looking growths. Thus if the only uniting trait between zango and the mutated creatures is the lifeblood to justify their similarity, it's the most likely answer. Occams razor and all that. I think assuming that detail as unintentional does a disservice to the details the devs attention to detail.

and the plasmid also has the growths to a smaller extent

[trail wagon]

Did you get that from my stupid screenshot? Ahahahha

I named it "The Gloom" lol

It was stupid, it's not the Gloom hahahahaha

It's the ocean outpost

[viscid ridge]

Nope i got it from downloaded pictures i got when acmi was going live 😅

[trail wagon]

Ohhh no, I mean the idea that it's the Gloom?

It was my weird guess

I made a screenshot with some cute rooms

Gosh, autocorrection drives me crazy

[trail wagon]

Cut*

Although they're kinda cute ngl

[viscid ridge]

No no honestly your completely justified to think its the gloom, cause it looks a lot like it. Thats why im saying its probably a rework

[trail wagon]

Perhaps

Though it would probably be just "the ocean"

Like an island or something

We may not even see these exact rooms

It's been discovered that the 2025 ACMI map is not real

[viscid ridge]

Cause i know the gloom was changed into bilewater, but maybe they wanted to encorperate the original concept, so they did it in a little island

[trail wagon]

It doesn't show the game state as of August 2025

Because it's wildly different

[viscid ridge]

No just slightly inaccurate

[trail wagon]

It actually has an old version of Sinner's Road, Dustroach Pens; old Bilewater with sprites taken from the Gloom, some rooms are just not there yet

[viscid ridge]

But a lot of the stuff they are showing in the 2025 version like the spire are about to be released so i think its fine

[trail wagon]

It also has a flipped version of Reaper's Chapel

[trail wagon]

It might still be reworked, at least somewhat

[viscid ridge]

What the spire?

No those i think are gonna be in the update for sure, all the little islands at the bottom

[dense sphinx]

I really tried my best I swear

[viscid ridge]

Also i think we'll get a bloody third fast travel system for the sea, so we will have the bell stations, the ventrica system, and the ships

[viscid ridge]

This is really cool, can i eat them?

[dense sphinx]

No… maybe the flea brew

[viscid ridge]

I'll take my chances 🥰

[stray fog]

Crunchy magnetite

https://tenor.com/view/chiclemonster-eating-chewing-gif-14648523

[frosty beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-food-monster-h-reginald-gif-2362901127389079325

[trail wagon]

Haiii

[frosty beacon]

henlo

i'm tired from finals

i'm almost done

[trail wagon]

Good luck with that ;3

[frosty beacon]

:3

[trail wagon]

Can't wait for the Lion Village DLC

[muted lantern]

im still banking on it being shakras village and shes actually an antlion

[flint wadi]

how much for a ticket to pharloom bay

[tawdry flare]

Alright so Sea of Sorrow is going to be plasmium focused and have Pharloom Bay what else do we know

[limpid summit]

New crest judging from the corpse

[trail wagon]

That's an interesting theory btw

[limpid summit]

Maybe something to be fished up