sk-lore

[stray fog]

What did you do 😭

[visual glacier]

You probably can’t even remember the name of this guy

[timber pond]

Idk nothing

[twin dragon]

uhh

[stray fog]

True

[twin dragon]

flying fuck

or wtv

[stray fog]

Spirits glade npc

[unique tangle]

Ok uh

[visual glacier]

Cmon guys it’s easy

[edgy nebula]

his name is julius cause he looks like a julius

[twin dragon]

John nail

[unique tangle]

Perpeptos noo?

[twin dragon]

or john fly

[unique tangle]

Is it that one?

[stray fog]

Wtf 😭

[visual glacier]

You got it wrong but I’ll give it to you

[unique tangle]

The one made by the YouTuber

Perpetual noob

That’s like the only memorable one

[visual glacier]

It’s Perpetos Noo

[edgy nebula]

thank fuck his name isnt perpeptos id laugh

[unique tangle]

Close enough

[edgy nebula]

perpetos is a million times better

[visual glacier]

Ok I can send one everybody knows

[stray fog]

Watch this
I wont know it

Yep

I don't know

[visual glacier]

How

[edgy nebula]

thistlewind

[silk dirge]

i dont know the name of the karak looking guy

[stray fog]

Garro

[edgy nebula]

me neither i think it starts with a g

[unique tangle]

Wasn’t it boss

Or was boss another guy

[silk dirge]

no

thats a different guy

[twin dragon]

THE RADIANCE

downscaled

[stray fog]

Xero?

[twin dragon]

and green

[dawn sluice]

me is me

[unique tangle]

Nono there’s a spirit named boss

In the glade

[stray fog]

Oh

[unique tangle]

Some backer named their bug boss

It’s confusing

[silk dirge]

this is boss

[unique tangle]

Ah

[edgy nebula]

what a boss

[unique tangle]

Is the silksong trivia over?

[visual glacier]

No no no

What is the name of the twin spirits that show up in queens gardens

[unique tangle]

Uh I genuinely forgot this one

[edgy nebula]

it's some stupid pun on cordyceps i think, but i dont remember

[unique tangle]

I remember looking it up a few days ago

[stray fog]

Which word is common in every Chapel's (except witch) needolin dialogue

[edgy nebula]

caelif and fera orthop

thats the name

[visual glacier]

Correct

[unique tangle]

Remember

[edgy nebula]

oh no i looked it up i thought you didnt know

[timber pond]

These are all hollow knight questions though

[stray fog]

Yes

[unique tangle]

Oh I was right

[visual glacier]

Well technically it’s Caelif & Fera Orthop so you’re wrong

[stray fog]

Its forget in Chapel of the witch

Remember in all the others

[unique tangle]

Oh that’s actually neat

I didn’t know that

[edgy nebula]

cowabummer!

[craggy smelt]

proving that bugs have family names

[unique tangle]

I only have chapel of the architect’s needolin memorized and some of reapers

And guessed remember

[stray fog]

All the chapels seem to be about remembering a certain community

[timber pond]

Mabye that's what greyroot does to other creatures. Make them forget. Consumes soul and dream

[edgy nebula]

big fan of hundred nail warrior

[visual glacier]

Farmers of greymoor, pilgrims who died too soon, the other architects, the shamans, some random ancient beast

[timber pond]

The parasite itself certainly does not want to be forgoten

[stray fog]

The art looks cool

[edgy nebula]

a bit curious on why reaper references grimm if the lore doesnt relate to it at all

does grimm grow crops in his freetime

[stray fog]

My theory was that all the other communities still exist, even if very small

But the parasite has only greyroot

[unique tangle]

He reaps dead kingdoms of their remaining energy

It’s close enough

[stray fog]

So its being forgotten

Idk about the beast though

[timber pond]

Grimm might be an acient deity.

[craggy smelt]

the ants probably thought it was pretty cool

[edgy nebula]

fair enough i suppose

[timber pond]

Well everything else wants to be remembered the parasite wants to overwrite you and make you forget

[unique tangle]

So cool that they all left when some big fly came in and took over

[stray fog]

That's another possible explanation

[timber pond]

Mabye Grimm and the nightmare heart are like, the primordial representation of "reaping" or "cutting off excess" for reuse.

Its all he does after all.

And also aperently the troupe travels across time you forget

[silk dirge]

its an ancient beastfly

not some random ass big beast

[visual glacier]

Source?

[silk dirge]

look at it

the eyes are the same shape as a savage beastfly just an extra pair

the head is the same shape but cracked a bit

the body is the same

[visual glacier]

Doesn’t look like it

[silk dirge]

also beastfly needolin dialog

[timber pond]

Dude

Do NOT pit that theroy out there

[unique tangle]

Wait hang on I think he’s onto something

[silk dirge]

she

[unique tangle]

It says ancestor right there

[silk dirge]

its literally true tho

[unique tangle]

Wait hang on I think she’s onto something

[visual glacier]

Where is this from?

[edgy nebula]

it's probably true yeah

[unique tangle]

Beastfly needolin

[edgy nebula]

savage beastfly needolin dialogue

[silk dirge]

the beast corpses head is cracked

[timber pond]

R/Savagebeastflyhaters will HATE THAT YOU GAVE team chery the idea of a an ancient beast fly fight in godhome like DLC😂

[silk dirge]

those arent horns

if you fill them in its the exact shape as a savage beastfly head

[visual glacier]

No?

[unique tangle]

Nono savage beastfly t

The big one

[visual glacier]

Ok

[unique tangle]

Btw “distant dark, vivid red”

What is beastfly on about

What is he smoking

[timber pond]

Imagine team cherry make extra bosses for all the chapel weilders

[visual glacier]

Beast crest fury or something

[edgy nebula]

his goals are beyond your understanding

[stray fog]

Shaman boss fight

🔥

[edgy nebula]

oh yeah beastfly is the only one with a boss, funny

[unique tangle]

Distant dark? Void
Vivid red? Red memory

[visual glacier]

It shares the foes line with beast chapel needolin I think? Idk

[unique tangle]

Beastfly predicted act 3

[timber pond]

No i mean like for the dead bugs hornet absorbs in each chappel

Like Ancient beastfly💀

[visual glacier]

Beastfly is equal to moss Druid in powerscaling confirmed?

[edgy nebula]

oh yeah

[unique tangle]

Doesn’t seem so since I think it’s the same needolin in the rematch

[unique tangle]

We should’ve been able to turn in the last old heart to moss Druid

[visual glacier]

True

[unique tangle]

And he’d add it to his soup

And give us something for it

[visual glacier]

Then they could put it and make delicious heart stew

[stray fog]

Mmm gay royalty heart soup

[unique tangle]

Hearty soup, red tool, effect depends on which old heart was cooked

[stray fog]

Gilly asks hornet why she killed karmelita

It was for the soup

[visual glacier]

Actually it’s a stew

Also moss Druid has unconfirmed gender

[unique tangle]

“It’s a difficult thing to explain, but it looked tasty”

[silk dirge]

i mean the ancestor line

heres a comparison with a filled in beast corpse head

[unique tangle]

Savage Eggfly

[timber pond]

Let me fight Ancient beastly in a memory team cherry you wouldnt

[visual glacier]

P2 ass boss ngl

[timber pond]

Who p2

[craggy smelt]

extra big beastfly, deals 3 contact damage

[silk dirge]

someone definitely will create an ancient aspid type mod for this

i also kinda want to fight the shaman corpse

we never fought a snail shaman

[hidden crater]

How many BEASTFLIES DO WE NEED

By the time the dlc comes out we gonna have 40 beastfly variants

[silk dirge]

aww hes so cute surely he wont grow up into a terrible beast

small beastflies bonking heads will never not be cute

it happens like 5 times across different arenas

[hidden crater]

A silly boy

[muted lantern]

Beastflies become savage only when they recieve enough concussions.

[dire lynx]

no connection

[dusk kraken]

More weaver-like than hornet

[craggy smelt]

pale lurker is rogue weaver confirmed beyond all doubt

[stray fog]

The attacks are not similar enough to make a connection imo

Although the pale lurker's mask is jagged and split down the middle like a weaver's mask

[stray fog]

Nvm that's the only weaver with such a mask

I thought all Weavers had Open masks

[lone folio]

Im pretty sure that's supposed to resemble a crown on pale lurker

They are obsessed with the king and were one of his servants so having a mask that resembles PK is probably the intention

[stray fog]

Oh

[lone folio]

Honestly now I'm curious about pale lurker

[dusk kraken]

The visual cue looks similar enough where they pause and flare out their arms before whipping them around

Pale lurkers extending arms had me thinking back to the pharlids not many creatures do that orherwise

Imo they sound similar and their use of tools may come from a weavers crafty nature

[dire lynx]

why would a weaver ever serve the pale king, they explicitly show distaste towards him

[blissful harbor]

pale lurker just doesn’t have enough limbs to be one unfortunately

unless she got in a freak accident

[dire lynx]

beyond just that, pale lurker isnt similar to weavers at all design wise

[stray fog]

A more logical conclusion will be that she's related to pharlids instead of Weavers

Im unsure about that too

[blissful harbor]

idk how that would work
she’s a pharlid but not the pharlid species we know a completely separate one that evolved without Gms

[dire lynx]

or its just a similar animation by coincidence, and team cherry didnt intend anything of it.
having a wind up flailing attack is quite a generic video game enemy move

[stray fog]

Yeah Im not ready to believe this theory yet

[dusk kraken]

Weaver spawn or descendant like the ones described in the cradle

[dire lynx]

no evidence, or reason to suspect such

also reasons against

[dusk kraken]

They never served the pale king and the attack pattern is unique enough. Also any differences in a appearance can be chalked up to them being a descendant which are possible stated by the text in the cradle, also hornets/herrahs appearance don't line up with much of the other weavers either

Roughly the same size as hornet, spherical head shapes, use of tool like sting shards, audio and visual clues looking similar, extending limbs unlike anything else in the game (besides void and steel assassin Sharpe) I still probably won't put this down

[dire lynx]

Pale lurkers dreamnail dialogue:

King! Mine!
Key! Treasure! Begone, begone!
For me! For you! For King!

seems like she served the king

[dusk kraken]

Kings idol is just an idol doesn't tie back to service of the king and it's origin is to teach those who otherwise have never seen him what he looks like as said by lemm

[wise sand]

Yall just be posting stuff fr

[dire lynx]

what?

[dusk kraken]

Their service to the king could just be crazy ramblings

[dire lynx]

shes called the PALE lurker

[dusk kraken]

Doing whatever

[dire lynx]

and her dialogue is all to do with the king

if it was just one or the other it woudnt be that meaningful, but it isnt just one

[wise sand]

Shes a higher being/j

[dusk kraken]

Because they're infatuated and went mad with the idol taking on the name

Or their namesake could just be from their mask or general look like the pale ore

[dire lynx]

weavers dont like the pale king, why would she be infatuated

even hornet doesnt care much for the pale king

(her own father)

[dusk kraken]

Weaver descendants can find their origin elsewhere/ Don't always have to abide by weaver customs

[dusk kraken]

Yeah it's just that easy to think this way

[wise sand]

Every hk theory atp

[dusk kraken]

Their mask also has a split down the middle which I'm now noticing. Whatever pharlid traits shown are possibly within the genes of the weavers lying dormant like when physical traits skip a generation.

All it took was one look to make the connection within herself, now imagine if hornet made the encounter with pale lurker what she would say then

[terse warren]

What a fraud

"They were born with what I had to train for" Hornet is weaker than Pharlids

[dusk kraken]

Oh my

[stray fog]

Boomer mentality

[terse warren]

I mean yeah Hornet's old

[hearty hinge]

6 eyes too. Weavers confirmed /s

[opaque pier]

Gojo is a weaver confirmed

[hearty hinge]

holy shit

not ready for this caliber of truth nuke

Pale lurker is just a silly little thing the mask design isn't weaver it's just a fool mask

sure weavers can look different than the first sinner type we've got herrah, and there's weavers that can worship pale beings we've got widow

But like that's not evidence

[dire lynx]

Ur pfp scared me for a second lol

[hearty hinge]

Rabbit jumpscare

it's white too, maybe it's a pale being

[dire lynx]

I thought it was the white rabbit

[hearty hinge]

Mostly i just don't see why there would be a Weaver literally geometrically opposite of deepnest + there's nothing that really points to her being one

Plus we don't got pharlids in hallownest

[dusk kraken]

Weaver descendants find home in other areas with the cradle dialogue and capture orders

[visual glacier]

Correct

What about it

[dire lynx]

what does this have to do with anything lmao

[dusk kraken]

Pale lurker doesn't have to come from deepnest and could've ventured from somewhere else to their current location

[visual glacier]

There’s literally no proof that makes pale lurker a weaver

[dire lynx]

pale lurker COULD be a void being, they also have black extendable arms

[dusk kraken]

Yeah sure sure

[visual glacier]

Pale lurker could be a squit in disguise

[dire lynx]

pale lurker COULD be whatever you want if you try as hard as you can to squeeze a stupid idea

[visual glacier]

What are we doing guys

[dusk kraken]

Physical similarities and behaviors are what I'm going for like with elder Hu some could make that connection

[visual glacier]

Elder Hu has only the tiniest bit of proof

What’s your proof for pale lurker

[dusk kraken]

Elder Hu and the theory that he's part of shakras tribe

[dire lynx]

there are almost no similarities, especially since the mask came from the colosseum and wasnt the previous property of pale lurker

[visual glacier]

What’s your proof for pale lurker?

[visual glacier]

Yeah yeah it’s possible but it’s irrelevant

[dire lynx]

round head and flailing attack

thats what they are saying

[visual glacier]

Is that all?

[dire lynx]

yup

[dire lynx]

here

[whole holly]

Well unless pale lurker looks like other bugs from hallonest

[visual glacier]

They are just black body and long arms

That’s about it

[whole holly]

Some people were saying that Hunter from Hallownest may be a weaver

lol

[visual glacier]

He’s definitely not from hallownest but he’s also definitely not a weaver

[whole holly]

I said that because he resides there not because he originated there

[visual glacier]

👍

[whole holly]

There are plenty of bugs that look like weavers because of eyes

But that isn’t proof really

[whole holly]

Weavers have multiple limbs so do spiders , he may not even be spider

[visual glacier]

Yeah idk where that idea came from

[dusk kraken]

Hornet doesn't have multiple limbs

[whole holly]

To be honest weavers are weird, herrah is weaver

[dire lynx]

herrah is a retcon*

[visual glacier]

Ok what’s your proof for this claim? Just that they have a flail attack?

[whole holly]

In scuttle brace we see multiple limbs no? Or am I remembering it wrong?

[dire lynx]

she goes on all fours in scuttle

[whole holly]

Regardless it can be explained by fact that hornet is half weaver guys

[dusk kraken]

I thought the visual similarity in their moves was a nice callback that's where I was going with this at first

[visual glacier]

Is that all?

[dusk kraken]

Trying to say lurker is half weaver

[whole holly]

Okay, but silk is defining features of weavers, physical appearance doesn’t matter that much, pale lurker could be spider or regular bug, but unlikely to be full spider

[dusk kraken]

Basically I guess they didn't have space to fill in with the text "pale lurker the guy holding a simple key is part weaver guys"

[whole holly]

Grimm and Hornet with Reaper Crest have similar moveset but that Doesn’t mean they are same species

[visual glacier]

So your only proof is that they have a flail attack

Which btw we never see a weaver use an attack like that

[whole holly]

It is unlikely that dead reaper bug and Grimm are related

[dusk kraken]

Crests are a different thing entirely but that's a nice callback of its own

[whole holly]

Or knight and dead wanderer bug

[whole holly]

They imply that movesets don’t define species

[dusk kraken]

A pharlid maybe

[visual glacier]

Not even the same attack

Cmon

[dusk kraken]

They extend their limbs far beyond what their natural range should be that shock value left similar impacts on me

[dusk kraken]

U have to see it in motion

[visual glacier]

Is that all?

I’ve seen it

It’s not the same

[dreamy onyx]

Where do the Splinters come from?

[whole holly]

Pale Lurker is most likely not a weaver or spider

Not even half

[dreamy onyx]

Did they just show up or were they somewhere already in Pharloom?

[dusk kraken]

Nyleth

[dire lynx]

gurr and pale lurker use an expanding trap!! pale lurker must be one of karms ants!!

[visual glacier]

We don’t know

[whole holly]

lol

[visual glacier]

They aren’t plants

They are insects

[dire lynx]

they took power after nyleth faded, we dont know much more

[dreamy onyx]

tbh I hate the Splinters so much lorewise

[dusk kraken]

Ok fine you got me on that one

[visual glacier]

Why?

[dreamy onyx]

Idk I just feel bad for Nyleth

[visual glacier]

Shes a lazy bum taking a nap

[dreamy onyx]

I'm pretty sure she's dead lol

[dire lynx]

nyleths fading was not their doing, they simply took the mantle of rulers

[visual glacier]

Oops

[dreamy onyx]

Yeah but they're also just assholes lol

[visual glacier]

Shouldn’t have said that around #1 Unn Fan

[whole holly]

I love nyleth too. Her screeches are unique and she is my favorite

[whole holly]

Same can be said about isma

[dire lynx]

dw unn has a good reason, nyleth is a featless, jobless bum

[visual glacier]

Sister splinter needolin dialogue hints at her sleeping

[whole holly]

Her feat is shellwood

[dire lynx]

i can plant seeds as well btw

[dreamy onyx]

I mean it'd fit with the memories but then I wonder how it works for Khann who is pretty clearly not around

[whole holly]

I know, I think Isma is not dead

[visual glacier]

Yeah maybe

[visual glacier]

Khann is alive

Before hornet kills him at least

[dire lynx]

hes hibernating/in stasis

[whole holly]

But are creating forests part of your biology, no

[dire lynx]

because im not a plant

[whole holly]

Yeah, so don’t insult Nyleth so single handedly maintained balance of shellwood

[dire lynx]

unn dreamt plants into reality from nothing, nyleth just dropped some seeds

[visual glacier]

Why are you discrediting keelal

[dreamy onyx]

Yeah and then those bitch ass Splinters showed up

[whole holly]

And they both achieved same , unlike unn Nyleth did more for pilgrims and safety of her community

[whole holly]

Because she sleeping , leave her alone

[whole holly]

I hate weavers , that’s why

[dreamy onyx]

well I still don't like the Splinters

they're assholes

[visual glacier]

Fair enough

[whole holly]

Me neither, but not as bad as radiances infection destroying mosskin community

[dire lynx]

unn did the same thing as nyleth, and at least when she stopped there was a reason. nyleth just pissed off for a nap because why not

[visual glacier]

You have to say the same about white lady tho

[whole holly]

Maybe Nyleth had reason too, we don’t know but unn’s lame ass and her laziness is reason why fog canyon and queen’s garden was lost and why it was no longer part of greenpath

Shellwood is still shellwood

Nyleth maintained shellwood better than Unn, so did isma tbh

[dire lynx]

fog canyon and queens garden were taken by a pale being before unn fell, nothing to do with her later loss of strength

[whole holly]

But it still contributes to point that Nyleth is better than unn, in fact Nyleth was respected and unaffected by pale being , citadel made pact with her, Unn couldn’t do same , her mosskin guard can’t even protect her like Seth

[dire lynx]

citadel didnt have a pale being on their side

just regular bugs

[whole holly]

They were haunted by Grandmother Silk I am pretty sure

[dire lynx]

nope, haunting is only a recent occurence

[whole holly]

Regardless she was unaffected by pale beings, weavers and citadels rule

[dire lynx]

there is no sign of gms ever coming into conflict with shellwood. only the citadel

unn had the white lady on one side and the radiance on the other

and she only became fully exhausted ages after the fall of all hallownest

Unn>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fraudleth

[visual glacier]

I don’t think unn was awake and active that much

Considering that the mosskin were actively waiting for her call

[whole holly]

Unlike Unn who lost land to literal branch/root lady

[dire lynx]

she was calling, they were simply deaf to it thanks to the radiance

[visual glacier]

I’m talking about pre infection

[whole holly]

This is heavily biased and makes white lady seem like equal to grandmother silk

[dire lynx]

white lady + radiance > the citadel

gms is not part of the equation

[whole holly]

Unn had bigger loss compared to Nyleth, Nyleth wins

[dire lynx]

nyleth died, unn lived

[visual glacier]

Cause hornet killed her tbf

[whole holly]

I am talking about their lands

[visual glacier]

This arguement is so pointless

[stray fog]

Fr

[dire lynx]

greenpath will recover since the radiance is dead

[whole holly]

It is not even radiance directly, it’s just infection, Citadel had influence and power unlike some disease that wiped out Hallownest

[visual glacier]

Why would citadel mess with shellwood

[stray fog]

"Ayo fuck that forest for no reason in particular"

[whole holly]

Queens Gardens is queens gardens and doubt it will be part of greenpath, Nyleth unlike unn better maintained her lands in her lifetime

[stray fog]

Ig the people of shell wood were under nyleth, and the citadel didn't like sharing power

[hearty hinge]

Why would it mess with bilewater

[stray fog]

They wanted absolute control

[stray fog]

Pollution

[visual glacier]

Not directly

[hearty hinge]

That's what I mean

[visual glacier]

They just put their waste there

[hearty hinge]

Citadel is just destructive in nature

[whole holly]

Fact that they didn’t gives Nyleth more credibility as leader compared to unn

[visual glacier]

It wasn’t a targeted attack

[stray fog]

They didn't specifically hate bilewater
They just thought it was an easy way to dispose their waste

[dire lynx]

"madagascar was never attacked by the central powers in WW1, therefore france, the UK, russia, the US and italy were/are weaker nations"

[hearty hinge]

gamers why are we arguing whose higher being would beat up whose

[dire lynx]

nyleth isnt a higher being

[whole holly]

Nyleth and her domain was safest from citadel, in fact they coexisted, unlike Unn with Hallownest which was sleeping through war between pale king and radiance

[hearty hinge]

true they're not even equivalent existences

Like what's the point of this

[visual glacier]

This arguement is just bad faith powerscaling

[whole holly]

Bad analogy, Nyleth does have pact with citadel, analogy doesn’t take that into account

[dire lynx]

nika was sliming the goat, so i had to stand up for her

[hearty hinge]

[dire lynx]

nika insulted unn so i defended her

[whole holly]

You slimed Nyleth first, I like Unn too, but I like Nyleth more so I had to defend her

[hearty hinge]

i understood but-

Oh now "you did it first" got dropped

Gamers are you five years old

is this kindergarten like what's going on

[dire lynx]

nyleth is weaker than unn and has no excuse for going naptime and letting the splinters take over

[stray fog]

We should all glaze the shade lord instead

[hearty hinge]

Real

[dire lynx]

nah

[hearty hinge]

Zote no diffs shade lord but that's a given

[dire lynx]

zote and PK are better to glaze

[visual glacier]

Small diff

IMO

[hearty hinge]

Precept 15

Literally getting oneshot

[visual glacier]

Yeah but he has to land the shot

So small diff

[dire lynx]

zote speedblitzes shade lord

[hearty hinge]

Zote lore is so fucking deep man this is true

[visual glacier]

If it takes energy to do then it isn’t no diff

[whole holly]

Weaker being doing better than higher being , means Unn has no excuse

[hearty hinge]

However, precept 19

I think zote is going to succeed

[visual glacier]

He will

It just won’t be no diff

[dire lynx]

myla and sherma low diff all fiction btw

with zote its overkill

[hearty hinge]

I fucking love sherma so much it's unreal

[stray fog]

Why did this argument turn into clown emoji reactions

[whole holly]

I hope Lifeblood higher being will turn out to be Plant like isma

[dire lynx]

i hope we dont get a lifeblood hb

would be more interesting

[whole holly]

Idk, as one who initiated it

[hearty hinge]

There's that thing in the background with lifeblood

[whole holly]

Unlikely

[whole holly]

Abyss Creature

[hearty hinge]

So I think we already got one

[dire lynx]

i said i hope, not i think

[stray fog]

More lore involving them

[hearty hinge]

It's in godhome lifeblood room too

So abyss creature is prooooobably the hb

[whole holly]

Well there is no confirmation they are higher being

[hearty hinge]

Sure, but

[stray fog]

It's likely imo

[hearty hinge]

The blue essence dream catchers

[whole holly]

Massive moss changer is in godhome

[stray fog]

The abyss creature has its own room

[whole holly]

Hopes can still be unlikely

[hearty hinge]

There's absolutely zero way you're being serious about not understanding what I'm talking about

I have bigger faith in you than that

[whole holly]

Sure but not like traditional higher beings, it seems to have invaded godhome to attune ig

[dire lynx]

unc, its my copium. i just said that.
i know we will probably get a lifeblood HB, i just think it would be more interesting if we didnt

[hearty hinge]

It kinda would be

[stray fog]

I always thought they were hiding from the godseekers

[whole holly]

Godseekers don’t acknowledge Abyss Creature

[hearty hinge]

Like Noone does

[whole holly]

Smart, hiding in their own mind

[hearty hinge]

Maybe pale king did

[dire lynx]

to hide from the godseekers so totally would put them above the white lady

[stray fog]

The godseekers tried to get them into godhome, but they hid

[stray fog]

Above the white lady in terms of being able to hide. Not necessarily in terms of strength

[whole holly]

We have no confirmation, they have their own room in similar sense of grey prince zote

[stray fog]

Most things in this conversation will have no confirmation

Thats how lifeblood higher being discussions go

[whole holly]

We don’t know they are hiding though, because nothing proves godseekers were seeking them

[whole holly]

Yeah it is just head cannon wars atp

[fathom hill]

maybe there's a common denominator on what the doors in godhome are meant to be?

[hearty hinge]

The only concrete facts are that lifeblood wants to reshape life in its image and that there's Something in the background of two different dream world areas related to it

[fathom hill]

not well versed with the godhome lore honestly

[whole holly]

But I am hoping lifeblood will be expanded in third game most and Grimm will be protagonist

[hearty hinge]

It'd be consistent with what a higher being does but

[stray fog]

Hall of gods
Land of storms
Each pantheon
The zote room
The lifeblood room

[hearty hinge]

Who Fucking Knows

[dire lynx]

lifeblood tower + pharloom bay DLC 👀

[stray fog]

Can't think of anything common

All of them except the zote one have gods ig

[hearty hinge]

I think the common thing is that they contain content from the godseeker dlc

like sometimes a gameplay thing is a gameplay thing

[stray fog]

Nah that's not confirmed
/j

[whole holly]

Yeah that true

[whole holly]

Possibly

It would be fun if Lifeblood resurrected old hearts , and Revitalized Unn too tbh literally every dying god, even pale king

[stray fog]

The pale king was completely dead

[dire lynx]

so was zango

[whole holly]

Dead gods too

[stray fog]

True

My bad

[hearty hinge]

Bro sat on a chair so hard he died

Unbelievable

[whole holly]

Sciatica killed him

[dire lynx]

padme amidala ahh death

[stray fog]

Whats that

[whole holly]

Back pains I think

[hearty hinge]

A type of nerve pain

[whole holly]

Yeah

[stray fog]

Lol

[hearty hinge]

Really sharp one. Hate that demon

Haven't had it in a while though

[whole holly]

That’s good

Somebody once suggested steel assassin sharpe killed him

[stray fog]

He did mess a lot with the void

[whole holly]

He is assassin after all, pk messed with void

[hearty hinge]

I'd be more inclined he just died of being forgotten

[whole holly]

Yeah, it was joke at first

[dire lynx]

if she were able to supress it enough it wouldve been kinda sweet if eva couldve been fed enough lifeblood to live outside her iron lung

[whole holly]

I think that affects dream only higher beings

[hearty hinge]

GMS wanted to be sustained with song

Radiance did a whole fucking thing over it

[whole holly]

Yeah, but she would be transformed

[dire lynx]

thats why i said if she were strong enough to supress it

read my messages and think about the word choice

[whole holly]

I did but I said it anyway

[dire lynx]

this is the second time you nitpicked something when what you corrected me for was what i said

[fathom hill]

hc territory

[whole holly]

I didn’t correct you I am just adding to conversation

[stray fog]

Hc?

[dire lynx]

not at all really

[hearty hinge]

Eva says NO to drugs

[fathom hill]

headcanon

[dire lynx]

headcanon

[stray fog]

Oh

[whole holly]

I hope muckmaggots get to her in DLC

[stray fog]

Why 😭

[whole holly]

I was just kidding lol

[whole holly]

Social Distancing is annoying like interact with world and drink some lifeblood it’s not that serious

[hearty hinge]

you just know bros getting a secret area in wormways

[lethal burrow]

when does the nyleth memory take place in relation to other things?

[fathom hill]

flowr

[dire lynx]

we dont know

nyleth has like three whole lines of dialogue related to her

[whole holly]

Better than iron shell, to counteract effects maybe greyroot parasite too

[hearty hinge]

Give greyroot to thk see who wins

void vs radiance vs greyroot

hallownest definitely doesn't win that's for sure

Greyroot is so fucking interesting to me

[stray fog]

Against pharloom?

[hearty hinge]

No in a situation where we throw another stupid parasite into thk

[stray fog]

Oh

[hearty hinge]

Like this thing can apparently in the right situation take over gms and hornet

And who knows what the result is

Can it go into radiance???

[craggy smelt]

I bet Greyroot baby couldn't live in a vessel
that thing hates the Void

[dire lynx]

she only exists in dreams, so no

[hearty hinge]

Right but radiance isn't very happy about being in there too

[dire lynx]

agreed, any vessel could hold the parasite because its weak to void

[craggy smelt]

Radiance lives in dreams, but she has a tangible presence - if Silk is vulnerable (big lady's made of silk) then I think Rad would be also

[stray fog]

The parasite reacts to void?

[hearty hinge]

That's what im wondering about

[dire lynx]

act three void dive

[craggy smelt]

if you try to dive down to Lost Lace, it won't let you

[hearty hinge]

Like could it latch onto radiance to survive

[stray fog]

What madman is fighting lost lace while infected

[hearty hinge]

And what would the result be

[craggy smelt]

there's some real perverts out there

[craggy smelt]

Greydiance

get it?

[hearty hinge]

No please explain

[craggy smelt]

^ gradient

[hearty hinge]

Oh it was a pun i was being silly but actually totally didn't get it

[craggy smelt]

ha haaah

[hearty hinge]

Greyroot is probably the most interesting thing to me in Silksong because like actually wtf is this thing

[stray fog]

The parasite's heritage is insane

Weaver
Wyrm
Pale
Higher

[hearty hinge]

YEAH LIKE

What in the absolute exodia is up with that

[craggy smelt]

it won't be pale white or void black that rules these lands, but the grey...

[dire lynx]

its also gone through regular bugs in the past

[hearty hinge]

Yeah

Like is this just a normal parasite that hits the absolute jackpot or

[craggy smelt]

yeah i wonder how much of the Cursed Child ending was happenstance, or Greyroot's plan

impossible to tell with that freak

[stray fog]

Did greyroot even know about hornet and gms

[lethal burrow]

they expected it to overtake honrntc like any other bug

[craggy smelt]

who knows
she doesn't even have needolin dialogue

[dire lynx]

i stand by it being a regular version of the white lady (like the Blackwyrm being a non pale wyrm), and that the product of twisted child is a white lady/pale root

[stray fog]

Thats the most appealing possibility

[craggy smelt]

so we have black wyrms and white wyrms, and white roots and grey roots
are there black roots and grey wyrms!?

the answer must be 'yes'

[dire lynx]

the roots on the hud for the witches crest turning white after unifying under hornets will also has me thinking so

[stray fog]

I thought wyrms just came in multiple colours

Thats why, whenever we see someone clarifying which wyrm they're talking about, they say "white wyrm" and "black wyrm"

[dire lynx]

its Blackwyrm, no space + capital letter

specific name

[opaque pier]

Just wait for the green wyrm, theyre green

[plush phoenix]

Since Greyroot and TWL (The White Lady) are somewhat related did she have the intention to implant a parasite on the PK?

[craggy smelt]

they act completely differently

it's not even fully clear that they truly are related, we're making assumptions based on name and design similarities

[plush phoenix]

I meaaaan they're both trees and they have some blind circles so it's pretty easy to assume they're related or similar in that case

[dire lynx]

(assuming they are the same species) their methods of reproduction change entirely, rebirth after reaching the pinnacle of being seems pointless

white lady focuses on spreading her seed, where greyroot wants to regrow herself over and over

[plush phoenix]

So different goals in reproduction?

[dire lynx]

yeah

[craggy smelt]

assuming there is a link, I wonder if WL's desire to propagate herself is a holdover from a 'greyroot' phase of spreading seedlings/parasites all over?

[plush phoenix]

What if WL is like a more old Greyroot seeing the method that Greyroot or others such as them is completely pointless

[plush phoenix]

Basically repeating what u say lol

[dire lynx]

rebirth still has purpose for any entity not higher/pale. age isnt the difference, simply the host/birth

WL could have been born after greyroot and simply been luckier in finding a host

[plush phoenix]

I see I see

Thanks alot for your help SilkKeeper

[wheat locust]

Well White Lady lays eggs from the looks of it

As seen that all Vessels come from an egg

ah misread your message, sorryy

[craggy smelt]

i forgive you completely

[hasty light]

Why does hornet black out at the start of the game and act 3

I don't remember it explicitly being explained in the game

[craggy smelt]

at the start of the game, it's probably a combination of the power-draining rune cage she's in and the huge fall she takes

for act 3, there's at least the other huge fall she takes

[lean temple]

The huge fall and maybe her fight with GMS and the ambient Void, tho the last one is less likely. The falls she survives are straight up deadly to a normal bug though.

[frigid belfry]

id imagine fighting a god then nearly dying, then falling from a basically fatal height to most would injure her

[dire lynx]

shes a weaver, the metal looking bit on her chest might be to do with the pins in her back

[stray fog]

Its probably a joke

[dire lynx]

she also directly says she was one of the first weavers

[stray fog]

Ignore that

[dire lynx]

ik, but id rather be safe. nothing more to be said on the topic

[lilac hedge]

Falling from blasted steps all the way to the start point must hurt

[lean temple]

Not necessarily the first Weavers. The Weavers were called the first children of pharloom. She could mean that, ie "I am the last of the first children of Pharloom left", or the last of them still loyal to GMS.

[hearty hinge]

Yeah that was honestly a no brainer to me never considered it could've been interpreted differently

Not necessarily means the first as in first that existed though, could also be the first as in most favored but it's not a huge difference

one thing i really enjoyed in silksong is that it confirmed a lot of cool lifeblood speculation

Like we knew this thing was evil as hell but it's cool to see what it actually does

[stray fog]

It also established more similarities to the infection

[hearty hinge]

Also differences

[stoic gate]

Isn't it weird that, at the time she says that the bugs of the Citadel hunt her for the silk produced in her shell, Hornet can't produce even one ring (idk what individual silk things are called) by herself?

[hearty hinge]

more than anyone left in the citadel

[stray fog]

The fall damaged her

And the rune cage too

[hearty hinge]

• when you collect silk hearts the message is "regained ability" not "gained ability" so probably- yeah exactly

[stoic gate]

Ohhh

That makes sense how she was able to break out of the rune cage with no enemies to hit (with the help of the silkfly, ofc)

[hearty hinge]

there's like 3 beings capable of actually producing silk in the entire game

[stoic gate]

But why does Bell Beast have a silk heart?

[halcyon merlin]

are the only abilities hornet really gains in pharloom (outside of silk skills) silk soar, the float thing and faydown cloak?

[hearty hinge]

Needolin

[stoic gate]

Cling grip

[hearty hinge]

Very specifically says that's new to her

[rigid vale]

Nvm

[halcyon merlin]

hmm i guess so

[pale narwhal]

it probably was in the silk she was trapped in rather than her actual posession

[stoic gate]

That's a silk skill

[pale narwhal]

and silk soar isnt?

[halcyon merlin]

no?

[stoic gate]

Can you unequip silk soar?

[hearty hinge]

i think you're thinking in very literal terms

[halcyon merlin]

it does use silk

[stoic gate]

Then why does it only appear at the end of the fight?

[halcyon merlin]

but it's not a spell like thing

[stoic gate]

Oh and clawline

[hearty hinge]

yeah i can't unequip Silk Soar but like it's the Silk soar

[halcyon merlin]

really?

isn't when she leaves in green path for example clawline

[stoic gate]

But it isn't a true silk skill

[rigid vale]

Charged attacks

[hearty hinge]

Not everything in gameplay is actually lore sometimes it's yknow. Gameplay

[halcyon merlin]

true

[blissful harbor]

hornet doesn’t gain clawline in pharloom, she just relearns it
she does it in the first game

[halcyon merlin]

yeah

[hearty hinge]

Like i don't think sherma pogo'd off those bells to get to grand gate i think that's just what i the player have to do in this videogame so the area is fun

[halcyon merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollowknight-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-silksong-hornet-gif-12589665683144653208

[hearty hinge]

"let her cook"

[stoic gate]

Also is wisp fire lantern a silk skill then?

[hearty hinge]

No it's a tool

It's a physical object

So not a skill

[rigid vale]

Why do pilgrims even go to the citadel, do they reach there to just sing songs to gms

[hearty hinge]

Propaganda

They don't know about gms

[stoic gate]

The original purpose before the Haunting was to keep gms trapped

[hearty hinge]

They thought weavers were divine and citadel was this awesome cool place to go

But actually it was pretty much a trap built by weavers for everyone involved

Pilgrims get used up to maintain the citadel as a prison for gms whom they don't even know about

Weavers can't leave because they kinda have nowhere to go and without them there GMS gets out and they get hunted down

They eventually do leave and see what happens

[rigid vale]

Do you think pilgrims would think what happens after they reach the citadel

[hearty hinge]

They think it's paradise and say as much

it ain't

[rigid vale]

Crazy

[hearty hinge]

That's why sherma gets... well not disillusioned because sherma is fucking indomitable

but you get the sense that they really thought citadel was gonna be paradise free of the haunting super epic place where you're happy

[stoic gate]

Garmond is only half as indomitable

[rigid vale]

I think this might be a criticism on unquestioning faith, people were nothing but slaves to the system when they don’t question anything

Sherma broke out of it only because he has to face this reality

[hearty hinge]

They totally didn't

Like sherma persists in faith to the fucking end

[stoic gate]

Pharidoo la seema leh

[rigid vale]

It was a different kind of faith,
He didn’t give up because his beliefs were shattered, he decides to put his faith towards the community

Pretty goated ngl

[frosty gate]

The GOAT

[hearty hinge]

The very last thing sherma does is pray for hornet

[frosty gate]

🐐

[stoic gate]

Does Sherma mog Garmond?

[hearty hinge]

Sherma mogs anyone

[rigid vale]

What does this even mean

[hearty hinge]

The world could be ending and sherma would go "nah it'll be fine" and it'd be fine and we know that because this literally happens

[stray fog]

Mogging means that you are more attractive

But in this context, the question is "is sherma better than garmond"

[rigid vale]

Thanks

[stoic gate]

Sherma would slam anyone in a fight because no one would attack him

[hearty hinge]

sherma wouldn't get into a fight to begin with

[stoic gate]

I mean if someone tried to start a fight with him

[hearty hinge]

the one time sherma is in any real danger was in whiteward

[stoic gate]

Yeah and even then no one touched him

[hearty hinge]

which btw

what a move

"yeah I'm gonna go to the evil fucked up haunted hospital cuz other people need healing"

[stray fog]

Do you think sherma is the only pilgrim hornet cares about

[hearty hinge]

damn!!!!

[stoic gate]

Yes

[hearty hinge]

no

[stoic gate]

Who else?

[hearty hinge]

Hornet does a lot for other pilgrims

[rigid vale]

Pilby

[hearty hinge]

gathering shawls, gathering clothing, pins

[stoic gate]

Oh yeah Pilby

[rigid vale]

I forgot about pilby too

[hearty hinge]

half the quests help the Pilgrims in some way hornet just acts like she doesn't care

[stoic gate]

Ignore the horrible cropping

[hearty hinge]

Hornet the type of person to say she'll cut you down with no remorse then pull you out of an ash avalanche

[stoic gate]

Pilby... (I fixed the cropping)

[hearty hinge]

She gathers a bunch of meat for the huntress so she gets to see her kids grow because she's seen enough sacrifice

[stray fog]

I thought that was because she didn't want the king's brand to go to waste
And also because the knight had come so far, that its death would be unfortunate

But I like the explanation of hornet growing fond of the knight more

[stoic gate]

Yeah but she can just wait too long

[hearty hinge]

Not out of malicr

Then she can help the runt of the litter catch up with the others

Besides she says a lot of things that very overtly show she cares. Down to the choice of words

[halcyon merlin]

clock with bunny

[stoic gate]

Yes

[whole holly]

guys what is Nameless Village refered to as in game files?

[lyric widget]

"abandoned town" in the dialogue files, sprites are called "surface"

[frigid belfry]

<@&283547423706447872> hes been posting this in like 4 chats lmap

this is the 6th time

[whole holly]

me?

what?

who are you referring to?

oh

[frigid belfry]

alot of them are somehow led into downloading some sketchy shit

like those silksong on mobile ones

[frosty gate]

I don't think it has any link or anything, I have one of those message in my dms lemme check

Oh nvm it got deleted

But i'm pretty sure it doesnt

[stray fog]

Its advertising some sort of app

"download our app and elon musk will give you free money"

[frosty gate]

I'm still surprised this kinda thing works

[stray fog]

Fr

Like ashley said, its probably kids who are falling for it

I was this stupid at 12 too

[silk dirge]

i think i was a bit more careful than most people but they can get you when you arent thinking

well not these ones but like in other games there are scams that are easy to fall far when you are tired

[whole holly]

guys if Spiral Focus is part of Shaman's abilities wouldn't that be accessible with Shaman crest? and allow us to cast soul spells, Hornet can likely learn souls spells if Groal and Soul master can

i wish we got soul spells in silksong as well

[hardy inlet]

why doesnt gms haunt bone bottom or bellhart

[spring merlin]

So why is there a weaver in the underworks? Other ability giving weavers are more in the edges of the kingdom which makes sense as they’re trying to be far from the citadel so why is there a weaver right in the middle of it?

[unique canopy]

The area that is now the Underworks used to be a normal stone pilgrim travel area before the Citadel expended, so the Cauldron was likely built around it. You can see some of the stone pilgrim statues by the benches next to the elevator, but they've been defaced with the Citadel harp symbol.

[rigid vale]

They hate that weaver specifically

[rugged spear]

Just to be clear

The rain in Greymoor is mix silk strands from the farm and crap water from bilewater?

[whole holly]

her reach of bone bottom is limited and i don't know about bellheart

[spark valve]

I thought they were in different parts of the area not mixed together but yes

[rugged spear]

I might have forgotten but actually yeah some of the rooms have the "longer" string vfx while the Halfway Home is obviously water

[frosty turret]

Hey I didn't complete the game yet (act 3) but from what I understand weavers built great mother silk?

[whole holly]

uhmm, no? GMS ascended weavers from pharlids

[frosty turret]

Oh ok

[whole holly]

Weavers did build ||Eva||, because they wanted to mimic Grandmother Silk's Divinity

[frosty turret]

So GMS is a higher being like Radiance?

[whole holly]

yes

[tawdry flare]

yeah. she’s also a pale being

[frosty turret]

[whole holly]

i think term pale is just description for higher beings, like how Unn is Green Mother, Radiance is Blazing light, Pale King and White lady are Pale, GMS is pale mother, all of them are beings if i referred to radiance as Blazing Being it wouldn't really be special term rather than descriptor

[sterile jacinth]

I just realized higher beings don’t have working legs lmao

[whole holly]

not pale king?

[sterile jacinth]

I’d assume it’s more wyrmlike under the cloak but we don’t actually see so

[lilac hedge]

If they had hitbox damage it would be insane

[sterile jacinth]

I imagine he has a snakelike body maybe with arms lol

We don’t actually see so he could have legs

White lady light have had legs

But she doesn’t now lol

[whole holly]

oh, idk, i assumed since he took bug-like body on purpose and his children have legs

[whole holly]

did she?

[sterile jacinth]

Basing this off of the chair we see in the secret room in white palace with the cradle. It shows a much smaller wl silhouette

[whole holly]

wait does silhouette have legs?

i mean radiance has legs just not working ones because she doesn't really need them

[sterile jacinth]

No you just see her head and… branches…

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah that’s what I mean lol. No working legs

Same with gms

[whole holly]

same with white lady them, most likely

[sterile jacinth]

Higher beings don’t get leg privileges

Lol

[sinful nimbus]

I didn't even view them as legs until I learned they split apart in the falling down animation tbh

[sterile jacinth]

Even shade lord cannot escape this affliction

Maybe weaver queen can but we don’t see her legs lol

[whole holly]

Abyss Creature, Gods of Thunder, Gods of Rain, and Cursed Ending Child better have them

[whole holly]

we don't know if any of them are higher beings but still

[sterile jacinth]

We also don’t know if they have legs

Gray root doesn’t have legs

This is so funny I have no idea if it’s intentional at all but it’s really funny

[dire lynx]

white lady has root/tentacle legs

[blissful harbor]

she moves either like a starfish or an octopus

i like starfish cause it’s cursed

[whole holly]

we mean literal working legs, those are roots

[dire lynx]

based on the red memory sprite, itd be more like an octopus, but raised up on the tips instead of spread out

[dire lynx]

she moved around the white palace with them at some point

[whole holly]

i mean they are above regular bugs so they probably don't need to resemble regular bugs

[whole holly]

yeah

[blissful harbor]

also for this, hella late
but both hornet an vessels have the same number of limbs

[sterile jacinth]

I know I just think it’s really funny that none of them have legs

[blissful harbor]

which they certainly didn’t get from their mothers
PK probably had a vessel like body

[whole holly]

i hope DLC brings us Salubra's Cousin Sylphean Slug

[whole holly]

yeah

[whole holly]

yeah

[blissful harbor]

except all white instead of black cause

[sterile jacinth]

That could be the case. I think if it’s more thematically if he doesn’t have two legs. That’s definitely what the cloak implies. But he very well could have two legs. We just don’t know for sure.

[dire lynx]

theres also the statue from one of that old HK trailer that had her PK sized. its crazy how much WL grew in such a short time

[sterile jacinth]

She might have an ability to shift forms

[blissful harbor]

how does the cloak imply that
it’s supposed to be reminiscent of his wyrm form, and considering how he sits on his throne, that would be a lil awkward with a snake body

[whole holly]

can all higher beings actually focus? why can non-higher beings focus, why does hornet bind instead of focusing, is she capable of focusing

[sterile jacinth]

That is true. Notably we don’t see any legs though. Those are just from his cloak.

[sterile jacinth]

Hornet processes soul differently. She converts it into silk.

[blissful harbor]

no…?
hornet’s silk and soul are fused, she can’t just use the soul

[dire lynx]

binding requires focus, different name since its a different state of soul

[whole holly]

yeah that's true

[dire lynx]

Muckmaggot journal entry
"They cling fast to the shells of other bugs, destroying any hope for concentration or comfort."

[whole holly]

are we sure, they are intertwined by hornet's nature, but how do we know hornet is incapable of Focusing, since focus is broader than Soul

so Grandmother Silk can't Focus, only Bind as well?

[blissful harbor]

didnt mean no for the focus question
for the HB one

[sterile jacinth]

She can’t. The soul converted into silk.

[dire lynx]

because her soul takes the form of silk, yes
it should also be noted that focusing does not necessarily lead to healing, see pure vessel

[whole holly]

but focus isn't exclusive to soul, focus is used to absord dreamers and infection

[blissful harbor]

focsuing seems more exclusive to soul based HBs, silk can bind
binding is a form of focus, but it’s fundamentally different
it’s not a healing spell (in this instance) it’s a magic bandage

[sterile jacinth]

I think those are tied to soul

[blissful harbor]

ehhh, he could be healing but it’s just not coded in

no way to interrupt like with fs

[whole holly]

yes i am aware, i think it's broad since Godseeker can Focus thoughts by Crest and Shamans use Spiral Focus

[sterile jacinth]

Maybe Hornet might have some control over dreams, but show up when the knight gets access to the dream nail

Those

What if she had a dream nail I think maybe she would’ve been able to do something

[whole holly]

Essence is entirely absent from Silksong, presumably to make Silk and Song more prominent narrative forces of Game

[whole holly]

who knows, she sadly doesn't have Dream Nail, Needolin is not actually same thing, despite what game mechanics wants us to believe

[sterile jacinth]

I wouldn’t say they’re similar at all. Mechanically and from a Meta standpoint yes they’re pretty similar. But lore wise not at all.

[whole holly]

i personally think Binding is another form of focusing and Weavers tend to give their own names to things

[sterile jacinth]

It is. It’s just with silk instead soul

[whole holly]

yes, lorewise they differ to the point which makes me wonder how will we get godhome

[sterile jacinth]

Memories I guess

[whole holly]

i am aware, but generally lot of people doubt that, even though Binding is just Weaver Focus

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t know who’s doubting that they’re pretty similar

[whole holly]

sure, but memories don't give access to mind same way dreams do

[sterile jacinth]

You’re using different forms at the same thing

[whole holly]

people just don't think they are same Despite how broad Focusing seems to be it can encapsulate Binding easily, Binding is Silk Focus

[sterile jacinth]

Maybe not the exact same way but there is definitely something significant about it. Like going into green princes memories of his home

[spark valve]

memories are dreams this is incredibly explicit seer says it like a dozen times

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah exactly lol

[whole holly]

they do display different properties, you can imagine dream world for boss rush but you can't use memory to create godhomes, memories are separate for different bosses and they don't overlap

[spark valve]

they don't have different properties memories are dreams

[whole holly]

plus we don't get Dream Spirit bosses with Needolin/Memory

[spark valve]

go read any seer dialogue

[sterile jacinth]

Got home was done through the godseeker who was one being

[whole holly]

memories are more restricted when comparing those mechanics between games

[spark valve]

yes memories are a subset of dreams

but they are in fact dreams

[whole holly]

yes, they had huge dream expanse in their mind

[spark valve]

[[Seer]]

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Seer

[whole holly]

no one is arguing that they aren't but accessing godhome and dream spirits seem to be limited unless team cherry deliberately changes needolin ability or works their way around it

[spark valve]

there's nothing stopping needolin from having that functionality but godhome isn't coming back specifically anyways

or at least it would be ass if it did

[sterile jacinth]

I’d say a similar godhome like thing could be implemented. There is a dream realm sort of thing but godhome is contained in one bug. I think a different bug could reasonably contain the memories of all the bosses of Pharloom

Issue with that whole thing is elegy of the deep is locked behind act 3

So it wouldn’t be as easily accessible as godhome

[whole holly]

searched wiki of seer for word memory seems to be nowhere

[spark valve]

you did not do a very good search then lmao

[whole holly]

maybe similar godseekers will exist who will have another crest that focuses memories, which is weird, maybe they focus memories and gives us godtuners

[sterile jacinth]

I doubt there’s going to be another godseeker explicitly and I hope there isn’t but a similar bug or area or like gallery would be very cool

[whole holly]

instead of saying lmao, you could have cited something, i used computer search functionality

[spark valve]

you could try actually reading

The Dream Nail glows bright... It holds over 1200 Essence. Looking into it I can see so many memories peering back at me.

Plucked from one of my most precious memories, this Charm will bring you and the Dream Nail closer together still.

[sterile jacinth]

Dude you’re typically supposed to provide the source of the argument you’re arguing

[spark valve]

No dream can hide itself from you now. You can peer into the darkest places... You just need to find the right crack.
What will you do with such a power, Wielder? Whose memories will you hunt down?

This kingdom is full of old memories, both beautiful and grotesque. Seek them out, reveal them, and gather Essence.

[sterile jacinth]

Ooh that is interesting

You do get more essence when you kill ghosts of bugs

Or like what a bug imagines itself to be

[whole holly]

thy said memories instead of memory, that's why i had trouble

[silk dirge]

tammo did you see last nights conversation

[spark valve]

no

[silk dirge]

about how the fleas kill a sylphean slug for the pale oil 😭

it was wild

[sterile jacinth]

Dreams seemed to be a little more warped compared to memories, though the one holding those memories can change the area like gp not remembering his husband

[spark valve]

I mean it's possible but they also could've just found it

[silk dirge]

you know the guy who carries around the flea caravan

[whole holly]

dream does encapsulate memories but that doesn't change my point that memory exclusive needolin mechanic is limited compared to dream mechanic

[silk dirge]

[spark valve]

yeah

[silk dirge]

apparently he mysteriously dissappears when the flea festival starts

[cedar skiff]

oh my god… i get it now

[silk dirge]

hes in fleatopia

but he dissappears during flea festival

[sterile jacinth]

Eh I kinda disagree. They serve different functions but I think the needolin could definitely get into a godhome like place

[silk dirge]

and he has a scary resemblance to a sylphean snail corpse where you get pale oil in vaults

[whole holly]

seer talks about memories but it could be in different context

[silk dirge]

this shell back here

[edgy nebula]

??? where

wow

[sterile jacinth]

Could be. Remember before godhome all the dream nail would take you is an individual bugs memory/dream

And godhome is contained inside of a single bug

[silk dirge]

pulled from files

[whole holly]

well, yes but we can't collect essence from needolin or awaken needolin like dream nail

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think essence is the issue. Plus we do get elegy of the deep

[whole holly]

this does look likes salubra's body sideways, which is only confirmed slug

[silk dirge]

and uhh

the resemblance is bad 😭

[cedar skiff]

this is giving hollow knight sprite

[silk dirge]

they actually killed a sylphean slug

[silk dirge]

its from a 2020 gif

[cedar skiff]

it did not survive the putrified ducts aspid

[silk dirge]

but its barely changed in the final game

[sterile jacinth]

Regular needolin lets you see the thoughts of other bugs and so does dream nail and elegy of the deep and awoken dream nail both serve similar purposes

[silk dirge]

hes a bit darker

[whole holly]

according to seer essence has inherent tie to memories

[silk dirge]

it does tho

[sinful nimbus]

This looks nothing like salubra's blessing therefore it cannot be a sylphean slug

[silk dirge]

its in fleatopia

[cedar skiff]

wait it disappears during the festival only?

[silk dirge]

and then it dissappears when flea festival starts

[cedar skiff]

did bro drown or get cooked

[silk dirge]

apparently

[sterile jacinth]

Im not arguing it doesn’t

[cedar skiff]

oh my god they do cook a huge piece of meat

[sinful nimbus]

That's moorwing

[silk dirge]

its literally in a room where you get pale oil what else would it be

[whole holly]

yeah but there are no dream spirits from dream nail to needolin

[sinful nimbus]

Storage

[whole holly]

it does look like salubra's layered body sideways

[silk dirge]

that does not look like storage 😭

[cedar skiff]

oh yeah it is

[sterile jacinth]

They’re similar. I’m not arguing they’re the same but they serve similar purposes and access similar power

[sinful nimbus]

Shells are how they store stuff in HK wym

[whole holly]

what does game sprites say?

[silk dirge]

yeah but the theory is too funny not to use

fleas were being moved by a sylphean slug that they kill for the pale oil

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but it runs counter to my theory so I have to agendapost against it

[whole holly]

yes, tammo thinks they are one and same, they have inherent differences

[silk dirge]

i see

[unique canopy]

They cook a smaller piece of meat if you don't kill Moorwing before they get to Greymoor

[sinful nimbus]

[frosty gate]

What's the topic?

[silk dirge]

did fleas kill a sylphean slug

[frosty gate]

Why?

Because of the oil?

[silk dirge]

yeah

[frosty gate]

Or they found it during their travels

Fleas don't seem confrontational, aside from Vog

[foggy fractal]

think the discussion came up when we found out that Henrick isn't anywhere to be seen once flea festival starts

and what do you get for flea festival ? that's right pail oil

#noticing.

[frosty gate]

Who the fuck is Henrick

[lilac hedge]

👀👀👀👀👀

[foggy fractal]

[lean temple]

Sylphean slugs are probably white colored, going off their association with paleness.

Is there any official mention of "Henrick" at all?

[warm elm]

He is the best character ever

[whole holly]

Photo of him?

[warm elm]

Idk who is henrick, it's close enough to enrique so he is already the best character

[warm elm]

Or you could take that he looks like this

[whole holly]

Maybe henrick Is friends we made along the way

[warm elm]

Henrick, you are truly the hollow knight, but you don't stand a chance against my Silksong

[whole holly]

Omg

[warm elm]

This big fella is henrick?

He is the true Silksong

[whole holly]

Why didn’t he make into game? Is he like Pablo or scrapped content

[lean temple]

He is there man

[warm elm]

The fella is actually in game but i never could imagine its name

Actually

[whole holly]

Idk , I never saw him

[warm elm]

Where is its name shown

Game files?

[lean temple]

It isn't shown afaik. Henrick is a fanon name

[warm elm]

Ah ok

Sorry i am slow

[edgy nebula]

karak would be real cool if the timeline wasnt so fuzzy

[sinful nimbus]

karak would be real cool if it had lore tbh imo

[silk dirge]

ushka karak

[sinful nimbus]

Never ask TC why the water dried up

[silk dirge]

karak is canonically in california

thats why

almond farmers

[edgy nebula]

"it was because of the citadel!"
"it was mount fay!"
"it was the weavers"

sorry pal, it was me, i drank it all

[whole holly]

It was climate change

[silk dirge]

next tc ama be like
"what happened to the karak water"
tc: "no comment. weve left a few hints for you to find out"

[warm elm]

Yeah, i imagine the enemies would be real cool to fight in that type of environment

[edgy nebula]

karak lore is like the worst show dont tell type story ive ever seen