sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

Salubra is probably related to the sylphean slugs as she conjures an aerial apparition (a sylph) that gives infinite soul (sylphsong) in her image (a slug)

[swift needle]

An alternative theory is that it derives from sílphē (Ancient Greek: σίλφη, romanized: sílphē), which a number of etymological sources gloss as "moth".[ WAIT MOTH OMG OMG

[stray fog]

You might unironically be cooking

[sinful nimbus]

Finally someone gets it

[swift needle]

YOURE ONTO SOMTHING

[whole holly]

i heard that theory

[stray fog]

Can't believe pale oil comes out of salubra...

[unique canopy]

The page in question is also on the HK wiki

[stray fog]

Hell nah

[whole holly]

yay, she is slug, i winnn, let's goooooo

[sinful nimbus]

Why is the Cornifer art tuff

[swift needle]

'in the Latin sense, a type of spirit) " youre definitely on to something

[unique canopy]

Shares the same page as Tiso so needs to balance out

[sinful nimbus]

Tiso is also tuff

Presumably

[swift needle]

Paracelsus first coined the term sylph in the 16th century to describe an air spirit

[sterile jacinth]

Tiso got to collo 3 blind before he died

He’s not that bad

[stray fog]

They did him dirty

Anyone would die if a fucking brooding mawlek was dropped on top of them

[whole holly]

it makes sense that Slugs are species and one is Sylphean Slug which produces pale oil, one conjures blessing that gives infinite soul, one created moss and mosskin, one is hunter

[sinful nimbus]

oh this makes me realize Cornifer litters

What a douche

[swift needle]

Sylphs, he says, are rougher, coarser, taller, and stronger[11] than humans. could be salubra??

[wheat locust]

what??

[whole holly]

Sylph in Sylphsong propably refers to tiara hovering above us when generating silk

[swift needle]

talking about the sylphean slugs

[whole holly]

where does he say that?

[whole holly]

i know, i am talking about Sylphsong

[stray fog]

Sylphean slugs are related to pale oil
Pale is related to soul
Soul is related to sylphsong

[swift needle]

found it in wikipedia

doing some research on the word sylph

apparently its a latin word

[whole holly]

real life mythology is not applicable to hollow knight universe

[swift needle]

to describe air spirits or a moth

[stray fog]

It could be an inspiration

[swift needle]

twin im doing research on a word😭

[whole holly]

i know

[whole holly]

well yeah, but game changes lot of stuff

[whole holly]

Salubra is Pale Being confirmed

[frosty gate]

Send Cornifer to the slab

You know, now i kinda realize

Hallownest doesn't have a Slab

[whole holly]

is Nuu confirmed to be a slug, i just want a source

[sinful nimbus]

I don't believe so

Nuu's irl inspiration seems to be a kissing bug

With a snail backpack

[whole holly]

oh

[frosty gate]

That's

Where you heard that?

[sterile jacinth]

Hallownest isn’t a society built on strict religious principles and also shame

[sinful nimbus]

What

[frosty gate]

The Kissing bug thing

[whole holly]

can't believe everyone was telling me Salubra is not a slug, what a shock

[sinful nimbus]

She tries to feast on Hornet through kissing wym

That's her entire thing

[frosty gate]

I mean yeah but like

That's a Kissing bug

And I know it can't be one on one but like

You'd expecting it to look bug-ish

[sinful nimbus]

Well yeah and this is what the HK rendition of an assassin bug looks like

[lone folio]

That is no assassin bug

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah don’t expect hollow knight species to be super obvious

Or accurate

Baby mantises can fly lmao

[frosty gate]

This the one?

Long nose, makes sense to me

[stray fog]

Nuu being a slug makes more sense than a kissing bug

[frosty gate]

Plus Sharpe is bug-ish

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[whole holly]

exactly, Salubra is a slug and nuu isn't, according to game

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think sharpe is a regular bug

[sinful nimbus]

Nuu also has the distinct feature of her irl inspiration which is feasting by "kissing"

[sterile jacinth]

We don’t know what Nuu is

[frosty gate]

Nothing says Nuu is anything

[whole holly]

nuu isn't confirmed to be slug, so yeah

[frosty gate]

I mean yeah but... Why make her look so differente from other bugs

[whole holly]

i know, but she would look reasonably more like salubra if she was

[stray fog]

She definitely looks like a slug

Plus she has a snail shell backpack

[whole holly]

we know that she does

[sinful nimbus]

I'm not sure what you mean by that

That's just good character design

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think hollow knight species are that strict unless they belong to the same tribe

We see two different types of spiders after all

[whole holly]

that's also true , Hollow Knight biology is weird, so totally normal for Nuu not to be a slug

[sterile jacinth]

She could also be a slug we don’t know

[lone folio]

i mean being a slug is the only thing that really makes sense

her backpack looks like a snail shell

[whole holly]

Unn isn't confirmed to be Slug either, she is never referred to as slug

[sterile jacinth]

She’s not confirmed either way

[stray fog]

Its obvious that she is a slug

[whole holly]

unless you guys have source stating otherwise

[frosty gate]

I agree, it's just
Idk in these games Bugs look all the same and the ones that look different are weird and usually not bugs
Nuu doesn't look like a bug

[sterile jacinth]

But she doesn’t have any notable features that say she is a bug

She has a soft body

[lone folio]

her charm description talks about changing the person into a slug-like form

[sinful nimbus]

She has eyestalks she's pretty in-theme

[sterile jacinth]

Nuu could also be a wired snail

[lone folio]

wait it doesnt

what

im going insane

[whole holly]

guys obviousness doesn't determine species, game description does, i don't make rules, Salubra is slug, accept it

[stray fog]

[sinful nimbus]

There's not much to read into about the gag character having a silly and unique design

[frosty gate]

Yeah the Unn thing it seems was Fanon confused as canon

[sterile jacinth]

I always read her as a snail which I think would have some strange lore implications

[lone folio]

well either way Unns a slug. the charm makes the bearer take the shape of unn and that shape is one of a slug/snail/gastropod.

[whole holly]

i agree, nuu visibly looks like slug as well as unn, but you know game logic

[whole holly]

i know

[whole holly]

sadly game doesn't confirm that

[frosty gate]

That said, Unn does look like a slug

[whole holly]

so does Nuu, but Salubra doesn't yet here we are where everything is opposite

[frosty gate]

Well

[lone folio]

i mean if you use a secret technique called sight you can notice that the knight becomes a gastropod, he litterly gains a snails shell in one of the charm combinations

[whole holly]

Sylphean Slug most likely looks like Salubra if that's case

[pale narwhal]

its worth noting that the more isolated a character/tribe is the more they resemble their real world counterparts

[sterile jacinth]

Looks like doesn’t equal is. But I do agree it looks like a slug

[stray fog]

I feel like its safe to assume that unn is a slug, although unconfirmed

[frosty gate]

Now that I think about it, no Higher being is confirmed to be anything aside from WL right?

Well and PK

[whole holly]

no need to be condescending, i never said she doesn't look like slug, game simply doesn't confirm that, feel free to assume but i don't rely on fanon

[frosty gate]

Although PK is a cheat

[stray fog]

The radiance is a moth

[whole holly]

that's not confirmed either, i think or GMS

[stray fog]

Gms has to be a spider bro

[frosty gate]

Fanon confused as canon too

[stray fog]

Even if not confirmed

What else is she gonna be

[frosty gate]

GMS is just silk made manifest, she's a special case

[stray fog]

A gorilla?

[whole holly]

Salubra breaks that logic though

this chat is going crazy

[pale narwhal]

Salubra wasnt isolated until the infection took the village by her shop
she used to live in a busy town

[lone folio]

i meant that sight thing as a joke sorry if it came off that way

[frosty gate]

PK is bug/wyrm and WL is root, but she was never referred to as a root before Silksong right¡

[stray fog]

Born of god root and void

[whole holly]

no biggie, this game is weird, and real life biology isn't really applicable so what can we do

[stray fog]

In the attack where she grabs you and deals 3 hearts of damage, her spider form is clear

[whole holly]

i though you meant isolated as in not part of any group/tribe

[frosty gate]

Fair, i forget that attack

[solemn hinge]

There are some characters that just straight up are specific bugs (Cloth is a Cicada, the Mantis Tribe as a whole, etc.) but a lot are just kinda "idk"

[lone folio]

i mean some parts of it are obvious and unn being a slug seems likely. i mean we never get it in dialogue so 🤷‍♂️

[pale narwhal]

isolated like geographically or socially cut off from others

[whole holly]

she looks most like cut snail NPC in Snail Village

[stray fog]

Idk why we need it to be explicitly confirmed

Salubra being a slug was a one-off weird thing. That doesn't mean that unn is a non-slug or the radiance is a non-moth

[frosty gate]

Wait a fucking minute

[whole holly]

yea but that doesn't make sense as Mosskin doesn't have real world counterparts, neither do Snail Shamans with most of them isolated

[frosty gate]

The Root source for White Lady only comes from that one AMA TC did ages ago

It was never stated in game

It doesn't even explicitly talk about WL, it's just implied through vagueness

[whole holly]

i always thought that Higher Beings were above species status, and never really gave attention to Root and Wyrm thing, Wyrms seem to be rare and Root before greyroot was unique to white lady, ironically enough GMS continues that pattern with having no confirmed species

[lone folio]

i mean thats just a snail

theres really nothing connecting the two together that much

[whole holly]

yeah, body kinda resembles unn

[lone folio]

like they are both based on gastropods

[whole holly]

that was my point

[stray fog]

Not confirmed but gms is probably a spider

[lone folio]

probably not?? maybe?????

[stray fog]

Why 😭

The spider goddess gotta be a spider

[lone folio]

like she doesnt look like a spider all that much

[lone folio]

silk goddess

[pale narwhal]

the snail shamans real world counterparts are snails

[whole holly]

higher beings usually have no confirmed species status , that seems intentional by team cherry, with exception of Pale King and White Lady

[lone folio]

shes a silk goddes not a spider goddess

[whole holly]

i know but they don't look lot like snails other than they snailshells, body doesn't look like gastropods

[pale narwhal]

like athena and arachne
the weaver and her silk came before the spider

[whole holly]

now yeah, that crown resembles mandibles

[stray fog]

And she has spider children

[lone folio]

oh wow she has 8 arms

crazy stuff

[cedar skiff]

man this looks like a silksong screenshot

[whole holly]

not physical children, she ascended pharlids, which were already spiders on their own

[cedar skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[stray fog]

That doesn't matter. They're still spider children

[cedar skiff]

that actually makes sense

[lone folio]

they dont have 8 arms

[whole holly]

it does when we evalute her species status actually, it matters to your point

[lone folio]

weavers arent spiders

[stray fog]

😭

[lone folio]

duh

[stray fog]

Wtf

[stray fog]

Wait are you joking or fr

[lone folio]

im joking 😭

[whole holly]

GMS seems to be abstract concept of Silk, she is in fact Grandmother Silk

[stray fog]

What other animal could she possibly be

[cedar skiff]

i dont blame ari for the way he handled the limbs in the weaver designs id lose my fucking mind

[whole holly]

not Grandmother Spider

[cedar skiff]

its interesting because gms does refer to herself as we

like ive seen arguments that its cause of the weavers she absorbed but also

maybe she really is just the physical manifestation of silk

[lone folio]

silk

[stray fog]

Her hivemind

[stray fog]

Real life animal

[lone folio]

not everythings an animal

look at the void

[sterile jacinth]

Gms is a god and not a regular bug

She looks more human than bug

[whole holly]

yeah, that's just petroleum

[lone folio]

oh yeah my favourite animal

[sterile jacinth]

The knight is fossil fuels confirmed

[lone folio]

petroleum

[stray fog]

Crude oil lowkey looks tasty

The forbidden mocktail

[sterile jacinth]

Shlurp shlurp

[whole holly]

petroleum beats silk

[sterile jacinth]

Because bread tastes better than key

[stray fog]

This explains why big oil companies are soulless

[sterile jacinth]

Sorry

[whole holly]

i was hoping there would be Silkmoths and other silk animals in game

[cedar skiff]

the thing thats confusing about silk in comparison to void being a primordial concept turned sentient being is that silk is just advanced soul so like

i mean

[lone folio]

😭

[cedar skiff]

its just confusing to me

[lone folio]

nono silk isnt a primordial concept

silk comes from gms

[stray fog]

Gms made her own spin on soul

Pun intended

[whole holly]

silk is GMS's soul turned into silk, but what GMS is without her silk we don't know, maybe something akin to Spider, Weaver, who knows

[cedar skiff]

ya thats the weird part

[sinful nimbus]

I mean she's basically all silk

[sterile jacinth]

She is silk

Like rad is light

[cedar skiff]

i guess for the story this part isnt super relevant so. fleshed out lore is always cool but thats why we dont have in depth information on higher pale blah blah beings because its narrative relevance is superficial

[sterile jacinth]

Probably not the best idea to compare them to regular non gods lol

We know about how much the characters know, which isn’t a lot

[cedar skiff]

radiance weirdly enough feels easier to grasp as a concept than gms

for me as mentioned its cause soul is a pre established concept and its connection to silk is new and sort of weird soo

[sinful nimbus]

When you bind her her limbs blow off (they might be prosthetics or something) her tuning fork breaks and the rest of her body unravels into silk except for the mask

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think they’re supposed to be that easy to understand

[cedar skiff]

yeah i always wondered why her limbs looked like that

wait does nobody see the black part on her face thats clearly void

[sinful nimbus]

You get it

[sterile jacinth]

Mods send his ass to bilewater

[sinful nimbus]

When Hornet stabs her needle through it it doesn't come out the other side

[stray fog]

Its elon this time

[sinful nimbus]

This is voids "twisted spaces"

[stray fog]

Not kai cenat

[whole holly]

mods came to rescue

[stray fog]

Lmao

[cedar skiff]

i raise the theory that gms was actually a being before becoming gms

she got corrupted by the silk in someway and because of it became unable to have children the normal way hence her obsession with having obedient offspring

and the weavers cant reproduce due to the sheer amount of the Evil Silk in them

but ughh lifeblood is already the evil corruptive substance so thatd just be a rehash

but a fun thought

[pale narwhal]

in game she is described as the primal source of silk
not as silk itself

[sterile jacinth]

Her body does appear to be made of silk. While I understand that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true it’s gone enough evidence for me to believe it

[frigid belfry]

her name is silk

[sterile jacinth]

This seems to be entirely speculative. We have no idea where hbs come from

[stray fog]

I wonder if any other forms of soul exist

[sterile jacinth]

It’s possible

[frigid belfry]

probably some steel like form introduced in steel city

tc really likes soul

[sterile jacinth]

It’s a cool theme

[pale narwhal]

the black face and hands lead me to belive that the silken parts of her body are additions/alterations that she performed on an already existing body

[sterile jacinth]

Not necessarily

[cedar skiff]

yeah its pretty out there interpretation that i wouldnt even actively subscribe to but i do believe silk is somehow involved in the weavers inability to reproduce

[pale narwhal]

please notice the words "lead me to believe"

[sterile jacinth]

I think that was a deliberate move by gms to further control her children

[cedar skiff]

thats a fitting reading

also the irony is beautiful considering how effective most spiders in real life are at reproduction lol

[sterile jacinth]

Oof that’s rough

Sorry weavers

[wintry compass]

it's like we're in some kind of steel soul

[frigid belfry]

balright

what if the third game locks you into steel soul

or what if the final boss does that

[wintry compass]

ruh roh

[sterile jacinth]

I love your status

[frigid belfry]

and when you get kicked into the menu after dying

[wintry compass]

hahaha thank you

[frigid belfry]

they reach out and drag you back

[sterile jacinth]

Pls no im bad at this game

[stray fog]

I will genuinely use hacks atp

[wintry compass]

same

[stray fog]

I need the lore

[wintry compass]

is there gonna be a third game

[sterile jacinth]

Switch user….

[wintry compass]

didnt they say

[frigid belfry]

i trust team berry to not make the game evil

[wintry compass]

sk would be the last

[sterile jacinth]

Whole game is infected crossroads

[wintry compass]

bilewater fake bench.......

[stray fog]

They're gonna make games until they die

But the next game might not be a hollow knight game

[wintry compass]

yeah that's what I meant sorry

didn't they say sk would be the last hk game

I mean

[sterile jacinth]

It’s gonna be a cozy farming sim

[wintry compass]

that'll be SOME whiplash

[sterile jacinth]

It would be so funny

[wintry compass]

hornet and lace start up a farm in the wasteland

[frigid belfry]

team larry would never

that was team berry that made the bench

[stray fog]

I don't remember the exact wording but I think they didn't say that it would be the last
Just that the next one might not be a hk game

[wintry compass]

ohhhh

[frigid belfry]

i just want a perfect third game that complete the whole universe in like 7 years then they make new games

i would die happy

[stray fog]

The lore will be a banger, whatever they make next

[stray fog]

Fr

[wintry compass]

I think the bilewater fake bench is the evillest of the 3 fake benches
it's in BIELWATER, like you are already losing it, and then it DUMPS YOU INTO THE MAGGOTWATER

[frigid belfry]

W speed

[sterile jacinth]

It’s gonna be about dead children haunting you as you go through an abandoned place that is themed around children

[wintry compass]

dreams dreams dreams

[stray fog]

Haunted choclatier?

[sterile jacinth]

Yes

[frigid belfry]

since we go down in hk and up in ss what direction is the third game

east to west?

is it horizontal/

[stray fog]

The z axis

[wintry compass]

diagonal

[sterile jacinth]

Omg

[frigid belfry]

the map would look hilarious

feels like this

[stray fog]

The urge to play an unreasonably large metroidvania

[wintry compass]

rain world isn't in here, 3/10

crackpot theory: the void in silksong and rain world is the same void, it's atually the same world at different times

[solemn hinge]

Make it a roguelike

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-cell-gif-11009529955506497046

[wintry compass]

looks goated af though omg

[whole holly]

guys are there any fans of Fionna & Cake here

i want to say that Palestag kind of resembles Heart of Forest, except that being is God-like ancient being that follows themes of Pale/White Deer that is particularly hard to catch, thematically they are similar

[sterile jacinth]

That’s a pretty common symbol in mythology

[whole holly]

yeah, but Plant like theme is really interesting think, i wish there was Plant higher being in Hollow knight universe

[solemn hinge]

White Lady

[sterile jacinth]

Unn had a pretty strong connection to plants

[solemn hinge]

Nyleth is a very strong mortal being who is def a plant

I'm satisfied with "Super strong plant lady" myself

[jolly trout]

okay but a map like this would actually be so cool if they made the third game take you across both kingdoms

[jolly trout]

this one i mean

[solemn hinge]

I think a Quirrel roguelike would go kinda hard

[stray fog]

A roguelite could take place in the dream realm

Or a memory

Die and you have to redo the memory

[frosty gate]

Roguelite DLC for Silksong trust

[frosty gate]

This thing again

[wintry compass]

isn't that basically just tower of karak but worse /hj

[viscid ridge]

Especially with Pharloom bay. All the different islands gives major roguelike vibes, but its probably not gonna be random

[frosty gate]

Absolum type thing

[mint stratus]

Theory I’m throwing at a wall like spaghetti:

what if the everbloom is tied to the creation and existence of soul

[frosty gate]

I mean

Sure?

Like

I don't know what to say, theres nothing saying anything about it

[viscid ridge]

I doubt it, it seems something completely different from soul. Remember void tries to devour soul. My guess is there are 3 fundamental forces in the world of hollow knight, void, soul and whatever the everblooms are.

[mint stratus]

Would the steel masters be considered a force?

[viscid ridge]

I doubt we will, but i really hope we get some explanation for what the lands serene are like where the everblooms

Comes from

[timber pond]

No they are probably related to void. And also have a rock they make creatures out of.

[mint stratus]

Think they could’ve originated from the ancient civilization?

[viscid ridge]

Maybe, but i think that if the steel masters are either void related, or are themselves children of steel they wouldn't be. They seem to me just another group of higher beings.

[timber pond]

Its certainly a direction they could take the story. That or the vassals do in some way, and the masters have enslaved them

[twin dragon]

They consider the void a threat so doubt

[viscid ridge]

I have i hopes that they actually are descendants of the ancient Civilization, cause it would nicely tie hack to pale steel and how it seems to have a sort of sentience (or maybe soul trapped within) which would explain how exactly the steel children are alive

As we learn from the ancient nailsmith and such

[frosty gate]

Do they? I haven't seen all of Zula's dialogue so idk

[twin dragon]

I mean zii was ready to execute sula after sula used the void soo

[frosty gate]

Is it because she used Void or because she was acting crazy?

[whole holly]

it makes sense that masters would regulate void usage, somewhat like how Pale King didn't want Soul Sanctum to experiment with soul

[viscid ridge]

Maybe because she herself wasn't permitted to use it, we know Jiji was freely available to summon void so idk. Correct me if im wrong im not well versed on the specific subject

[twin dragon]

Issue is, they don't seem to have anything even slightly related to the void

[whole holly]

that seems to be case

[twin dragon]

Not rlly sure about freely

nor the canonicity of it since it has to do with, yk, death mechanics

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i dont consider normal mode canon, but we can still learn about how the vassels operate from jiji, she still exists in steel soul, we just dont meet her, but meet jinn isntead

[whole holly]

well, their vassals the Steel Hearts are permitted to use void, knight with voidheart is stated to be similar to masters, and Sharpe seems to be internally void

[frosty gate]

One must remember about Jinn's Voidheart dialogue

[whole holly]

but she canonically exists though and she is still capable of summoning void, Jinn references her i think

[twin dragon]

Jinn's canonicity is ambiguous

[frosty gate]

How so?

[twin dragon]

Steel soul

[whole holly]

?

[viscid ridge]

Jinn collects eggs for jiji in steel soul

[frosty gate]

Your point being?

[twin dragon]

steel soul

[blissful harbor]

both jinn and jiji appear in the wanderers journal

they are both canon

[twin dragon]

So is the writer canon?

[viscid ridge]

On the contrary steel soul is seemingly more canon than the standerd mode

[blissful harbor]

yes, ellina is a real character we never see

[frosty gate]

Of the journal? Yes

[whole holly]

yeah, so in either steel soul or normal mode they know about each other, they exist in each universe

[twin dragon]

what the fuck since when is that book canon

[blissful harbor]

it’s always been?

[frosty gate]

Alwyas has been

[viscid ridge]

Always

[blissful harbor]

TC had a hand in writing it

[whole holly]

whichever universe you consider canon, jinn and jiji are in both

[twin dragon]

Is there like

any direct confirmation that its canon

and that the writer actually did travel through hallownest

[blissful harbor]

besides TC themselves selling it officially, and helping to make sure there is no inconsistency no there is no statement saying “hey yall this book is canon”

[whole holly]

if you don't consider Jiji or Jinn canon, what is canon then?

[blissful harbor]

yes, she sees Tk at the end of the book
she journey is happening at the same time

[half zenith]

@dense aspen

Lemme see if I can grab an actual screenshot of the needolin scene

[frosty gate]

He's so me

[dense aspen]

Ok time to argue stux identity

[half zenith]

Yeah basically I’m trying to prove the Nosk theory

For anyone else here wanting context

[frosty gate]

Wait

[twin dragon]

she saw broken vessel which iirc only took form when TK approached its corpse

[frosty gate]

Styx = Nosk theory?

[twin dragon]

and iirc she sees TK arriving at hallownest when she's finished adventuring

Also mantis lords just let her live like that

[dense aspen]

This could be referring to things more likely
A) masks alter or have personalitys and stux is one those that need masks and depending on which mask it alters him
Ir
B)he's deciding what type of slave to be and masks have no effect on him

[frosty gate]

Mantis's are chill, mostly

[blissful harbor]

she sees them just traveling

[dense aspen]

The needling dialouge has no concrete proof he's a nosk

[blissful harbor]

her journey happens alongside TK’s

she sees the abyss door closed, then opened

[half zenith]

Anyone have a screenshot of the secret Styx needolin dialogue

[dense aspen]

You just sent it

[blissful harbor]

sees TK’s painting of the nail art
or Sheo’s painting really

[half zenith]

No but the actual game thing which has imagery that gives a bit more context

[twin dragon]

So she should've seen TK fighting Bv

[blissful harbor]

as for this, BV might just be become active whenever someone approaches

[whole holly]

i still think masters are void higher beings

[dense aspen]

Yes he's surrounded by masks

[twin dragon]

and said nothing about it

[viscid ridge]

A lot of people say skynx is a shapeshifter like nosk, but i personally think skynx is just a female of styx's species, so she ate him

[blissful harbor]

or she saw it before, and left be for it tried to kill her

[twin dragon]

it would've prob jumped her which iirc she says nothing about

[dense aspen]

And i already told you mask coul be linked to alterd personalitys

That dosent equal him being a nosk

[twin dragon]

Chat is having mask = nosk now

[blissful harbor]

again, just leave before it tries to kill her

[half zenith]

I never believed the mask thing

[twin dragon]

yeah she says nothing bout that

[half zenith]

Nah he’s arguing the opposite. That he can’t be a Nosk because of mask lore

[twin dragon]

she usually mentions how X is rude and stuff

[blissful harbor]

she sees a lot of hostile enemies thst just doesn’t mention running from

it’s common sense?

[frosty gate]

You don't believe masks make personalities

[twin dragon]

If it were to be nosk, it would show something else

[dense aspen]

No im arguing that there is 2 more likely explanation than nosk

[twin dragon]

It might js be hostile to TK

[blissful harbor]

like, how else would she be documenting shit

[dense aspen]

It's confusing, it's like to each their own

[dense aspen]

Yknow

[twin dragon]

but, if thats the case, bv would have no reason to form

[half zenith]

Also for the record. I got my theory off of tumblr, not Reddit. It made sense to me, the pieces fit together

[blissful harbor]

she sees it active, with no mention of TK in the area

[dense aspen]

Masks don't nessecerliy mean change in personality btw

[half zenith]

I don’t touch Reddit with a ten foot pole for anything more serious or in depth than memes

[twin dragon]

Styx can't lowkey be nosk

[half zenith]

But Skynx definitely is a Nosk

[twin dragon]

Hornet isn't attached to huntress

[dense aspen]

Hell I don't even belive that shit that styx has diffrent personalitys

[frosty gate]

Except it does

[dense aspen]

I'm just offering a better explanation

[frosty gate]

Masks are tied to personality

[twin dragon]

i dont think so

[half zenith]

That was a Nosk that was Infected, feral, and actively preying on its victims

[twin dragon]

he's just an interloper

[dense aspen]

I mean it could be tied to a alter them

[dense aspen]

Oh what your gonna use fuckin widow and the single piece of mask maker dialouge

[half zenith]

Uninfected nosks are probably more sentient and assume identities for other reasons

[dense aspen]

?

[twin dragon]

Also it doesn't look like a nosk

[dense aspen]

That too

[frosty gate]

Oh I'm sorry for trusting the dude that MAKES MASKS for MASK INFO

[dense aspen]

But that dosent mean every bug has a change in personality from masks

[half zenith]

…I’m just gonna silently back out. I don’t have time or energy for an extended lore debate, I have actual responsibilities

[dense aspen]

Look I'm not saying rhey cant

[half zenith]

Have fun in here /genuine

[dense aspen]

But I'm also saying it's not a universal rule

[frosty gate]

So do i, come back here and multitask,coward

[blissful harbor]

the upside down mask is very evocative of nosk, and nosk is a shapeshifter so i’m ngl, unless it’s in its attacking form,, which it’s not, there wouldn’t really be a wya to tell

[frosty gate]

When all dialogue points to masks being heavily tied to personality and personality changes, it kinda is

[dense aspen]

Yeah but that's skynx

[half zenith]

It’s finals week. I really can’t spend my time arguing on the internet

[dense aspen]

All the dialouge?

[twin dragon]

Nosk usually would take a loved one's appereance when hunting or idfk

we dont see a non hunting nosk

[blissful harbor]

oh are y’all talking about styx, yea i think styx is just faceless
hes nosk adjancet, but hes fundamentally different
nosk doesn’t use masks

[blissful harbor]

skynx

[twin dragon]

💔

[blissful harbor]

good thing it’s not hunting

[twin dragon]

Plus stynx's inverted mask seems to have like

a genuine effect

[blissful harbor]

?

[twin dragon]

skynx does the opposite of that styx did

SO it must be the actual mask

[twin dragon]

instead of shapeshifting properties

[whole holly]

skynx discussion is boring

[blissful harbor]

i don’t get how you get that, it does the opposite because silk eaters are useless now?

i don’t think i understand your logic

[blissful harbor]

you don’t have to engage

[twin dragon]

Personality change mask thing

[dense aspen]

After reviewing the dialouge

[twin dragon]

Styx liked raising silk eaters

skynx seems to consume them

[frosty gate]

Pharloom and Hallownest Mask Makers point to this being the case and Hornet even makes it sound like Mask Makers have the equivalent of palm reading but with masks

[twin dragon]

skynx has the inverted mask of styx

[blissful harbor]

i’m very confused on what your point is

[twin dragon]

We don't know much about nosk and if nosks actually use masks

[frosty gate]

Both Mask Makers even change in personality with and without their masks

[dense aspen]

I agree but I feel like they don't make personalitys they uhh what's the word alter them a bit, but again it's not that clear

[twin dragon]

they js kinda shapeshift

[whole holly]

i am not directly engaging

[blissful harbor]

yes, they are shapeshifters

[dense aspen]

Trvke

[dense aspen]

Again, I feel as if masks have some bearing on personalitys

But not on all bugs

[twin dragon]

Would make more sense if one with the inverted mask of someone else does the opposite

[frosty gate]

I think it's both, or so it seems

[frosty gate]

Only bugs that wear masks

[blissful harbor]

???

[twin dragon]

I don't rlly know why a nosk would take styx's mask

if they don't need one in the first place

[blissful harbor]

it didn’t, it killed him
hes naturally faceless, we see this in the hidden silk soar room

styx is to say

[frosty gate]

We don't know if Styx is faceless

[whole holly]

what do mask makers do, i get that they make masks, but are they like ancient masks, and who do they make masks for , what does pharloom mask maker tell us about masks

[twin dragon]

IIrc his mask is nowhere to be seen in steel soul

Skynx must've taken it

[frosty gate]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Mask_Maker_(Silksong)#Unmasked-0

[primal ruin]

This is more of an hk than an sk question but it looks like Salubra has rosaries in her charm store

[blissful harbor]

we can see his silhouette with no head in the mask room, his face is not his actual face is what

[primal ruin]

How

[frosty gate]

They just make mask for the people it seems? We don't know, there's not much

[dense aspen]

Idk I think it might just be faceless bugs

I dont particularly feel like arguing about lore rn

[twin dragon]

Yeah it's a mask

[dense aspen]

Yeah

[twin dragon]

no shit

[frosty gate]

Most bugs wear masks

[swift needle]

I think skynx is more of a nosk type species

[dense aspen]

No they dont

[swift needle]

He wears his mask upside down

He collects maks

[blissful harbor]

good thing that wasn’t for you

[frosty gate]

That could easily be interpreted as him not seeing his own face as his own

[twin dragon]

Nosk doesn't need masks apparently

since nosk shapeshifts

[swift needle]

There are similarities

[dense aspen]

Pilgrims,quirrle,sherma,lace,

[swift needle]

Apparently styx is dead in steel soul

So skynx stole his mask

[dense aspen]

Mkst bugs donr wear masks

They simply dont

[past cypress]

Lace is not a bug

[dense aspen]

And i don't feel like defending my opinions on the lore rn so peace

[swift needle]

Silk homunculi

[frosty gate]

Who doesn't aside from something like Nuu?

[dense aspen]

Ah I keep forgetting she was made out silk

[frosty gate]

And Gay Prince

[dense aspen]

The pilagrims

They dont

[twin dragon]

I kinda feel like this is the equivalent of saying zote is a vessel icl

[dense aspen]

They dont wear a maks that's just their skin dude

[swift needle]

Guys guys trobbio is the next mc trust me

[twin dragon]

Just because they're slightly similar

[dense aspen]

Ir shell

[frosty gate]

Out of all of these, only tall and solemn look like they were not mask, and we still arent sure, everything else are masks, even if it doesn't seem like it

[swift needle]

The fact that i screamed trobbio in the bathroom when I was having diahrea

[frosty gate]

Also, fucking TC keeps interchanging Mask and Shell

So masks are just faces

Hornet's face is a Mask

Said by herself

[twin dragon]

Shell was always the bug's "body"

bro

[swift needle]

Shell was the exterior of a bug tein

EVERY single being in hk universe has a shell

[dense aspen]

But those aren't masks they are clearly just shells for their head,

[swift needle]

Even the higher beings

Shells are also described as soft

[dense aspen]

So are masks like skulls?

Wait wait wait

Lets take a few steps back

What are masks

[swift needle]

Maks represent the face and identity of a bug

[frosty gate]

Is Hornet's face a Mask or a Shell?

[swift needle]

Mask

[dense aspen]

Mask

[swift needle]

Or shell

[twin dragon]

biological mask

[swift needle]

I'm confused

[dense aspen]

Are they like our skulls

[swift needle]

Ya

[dense aspen]

What are masks what are shells

[twin dragon]

The shell is the bugs body

[swift needle]

Nah more like our face shells are the skeletons

[dense aspen]

Why is this so fucking confusing

[frosty gate]

They why wouldn't the Pilgrims be masks too?

[twin dragon]

masks are basically what one's personality or purpose is determined to be smt smt

[dense aspen]

Idk does she have like a natural mask?

[frosty gate]

Because TC said so

[swift needle]

Hollow anatomy twin 😭✌️

[dense aspen]

Are natural masks?

Are masks skulls?

[swift needle]

Noi

[dense aspen]

It explains the personality shit

[swift needle]

No

[twin dragon]

exoskeleton would be more apt

[swift needle]

Ya

[dense aspen]

Doffrent brains for doffrenr peopls

[frosty gate]

Hornet does, same with Weavers and Vessels

[swift needle]

Shells are the exoskeletons i think

[swift needle]

Yes

[frosty gate]

But other bugs, we don't know

[dense aspen]

I feel that explains the personality then

That's their brains

[twin dragon]

Numerous times the insides of shells have been mentioned

[swift needle]

Ya

[dense aspen]

Their brains or souls are inr he masks

[twin dragon]

Also they're soft

[dense aspen]

That's the diffrent permanent

Changing masks is like brai transfusion

[swift needle]

Masks are used to focus soul

[frosty gate]

At the very least, Pilgrims seem to wear masks

[swift needle]

And the godseeker contains all of the godseekers in it's mask

[viscid ridge]

Some bugs only have shells, some have bones, some dont(like slugs and stuff) and some have bones and shells

[frosty gate]

We don't know

[dense aspen]

We don't?

So my best understanding of masks

[swift needle]

The fact that snail shamans have largest masks

[frosty gate]

We don't, Focusing is its own thing

[dense aspen]

Are that they are skulls that house brains

[swift needle]

NO ✌️

[twin dragon]

Hey did you KNOW the knight from hit game hollow knight is hollow but he's actually NOT hollow because

[viscid ridge]

Masks aren't use to focus soul specifically, just to focus, which is like a sort of higher thought

[twin dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-of-text-who-asked-gif-13446607101319546836

[dense aspen]

Ok so my personal interpretation is that masks are skulls

Alright

There

[frosty gate]

Their big ass head isn't a mask

[dense aspen]

That explains like 99% of ahir

[frosty gate]

Except you can't remove your skull

[dense aspen]

Those are their shells

[frosty gate]

And masks can be removed

[whole holly]

shells is basic biology/physiology of bug, masks seem to have additional capabilities, they can change identity of bug, given them hivemind like Godseeker's and Troupe members, ancient civillisation made masks to expand bugs health

[twin dragon]

why are masks related to health now what

no they aren't

[frosty gate]

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting Nymm when speaking about masks

[swift needle]

Bros onto nothing ✌️

[whole holly]

Ancient Masks give us health

[dense aspen]

This is a fantasy world with fantasy creatures, I feel like they would have that abilitu

[twin dragon]

Those are different kinds of masks

[frosty gate]

You said good stuff until you mentioned AC what

[twin dragon]

the weird ass masks

that have like no lore

Also they're upgrades to the shell itself

not the "mask"

[whole holly]

guys they are masks, they are broad category that give bugs additional capabilities

[frosty gate]

Not really, there seems to be a face below the mask.
At the very least that's the case for mask makers

[dense aspen]

Have we considered the possibility that the mask makers are lying assholes?

[whole holly]

wrong, they are called masks

[twin dragon]

yeah but they make the shell stronger

AND don't show when we hold many of em

[swift needle]

Also mask shards come from mask eggs because of the game file names and the fact that 2 mask shards are infront of these eggs

[whole holly]

Ancient Civilization made Ancient Masks

[viscid ridge]

I do have to point out that just because a bug has a mask doesn't mean they are civilized. Wr see a lot of bugs in pharloom that are essentially animals but still have masks.

[frosty gate]

They're the one character in each game who i trust they're not lying

[twin dragon]

so they aren't the mask that can change one's personality

[whole holly]

not all of them show

[swift needle]

This is just false because of the fact that the maskmaker knew about the void inside of the knight

[dense aspen]

That's just what a lying asshe want you to belive

[twin dragon]

They become part of the shell and make it harder

that's all we know

[whole holly]

masks are extremely broad, they can add anything to bug

[swift needle]

Where does this come from?

[dense aspen]

A liar usually sprinkles in nuggets of truth in his lies

[twin dragon]

They're also usually visible and give a purpose or personality change

which doesn't happen

they're probably some bullshit ancient artifact

that TK/hornet absorb

[frosty gate]

I mean we have no reason to distrust the Mask Makers

[dense aspen]

I have one.

[whole holly]

given how many varieties of masks there are

[dense aspen]

I dont like how theyblook

[twin dragon]

There are many focuses but they're all very different

[frosty gate]

Wdym many types?? Which types??

[swift needle]

mask maker in hallownest came before the pk does this mean they are as ancient as the ac?

[dense aspen]

Look even then masks are incredibly confusing and I'm gonna be real with you we don't know shit about them

[swift needle]

He's talking about the shapes

[twin dragon]

Godseeker focus, hb focus

mb you werent talking to me

[whole holly]

i am talking about varieties of masks

[frosty gate]

We don't know, but they are old, not as old as the Pales tho

[twin dragon]

also godseeker focus and hb focus are different wym no 😭

[frosty gate]

MM calls Hornet "Old One"

[frosty gate]

Wtf even is HB focus

[twin dragon]

soul into shell

or wtv

[swift needle]

?

[frosty gate]

What

[swift needle]

Source?

[twin dragon]

Oh, i dont know

THE HEALING MECHANIC IN BOTH GAMES??

[swift needle]

The fact that I said this and you disproved me and the js said what i said ✌️

[twin dragon]

They might not be exclusive to hbs but we only see hbs using it

[blissful harbor]

that pk special

[swift needle]

I said masks are used for focusing soul

[twin dragon]

what

😭

[swift needle]

Yo ✌️

[twin dragon]

no they aren't what

[blissful harbor]

tk and hornet doesn’t use their mask to focus

[swift needle]

Shaman stone literally benefits your focus

[twin dragon]

so any bug with mask can focus now???

[blissful harbor]

they don’t even really have a mask, that’s their head

[whole holly]

mask is artificial, shell is hereditary nature of bug, it can affect personality, abilities and health you guys

[frosty gate]

That's just focusing, unrelated to masks

[twin dragon]

Ya im not talking bout masks

[twin dragon]

they do

hornet kinda says that her big ass head is a mask

[viscid ridge]

Once again, not for focusing soul, only focusing, to define and exist. Nothing about masks mention focusing soul.

[twin dragon]

but that doesn't correlate to being able to focus soul into their shell

[blissful harbor]

mask, face, and identity are all used interchangeably
she’s not being literal

it’s her skull, she was born with it, it grows with her
same with Tk and the vessels

[twin dragon]

And all of those are related

in the verse

[blissful harbor]

it’s not a mask

[blissful harbor]

in the way other masks are, it’s weird to call it thst

[twin dragon]

Masks can be biological

one can be born into one purpose

that's what masks kinda imply

[frosty gate]

Except it is

[viscid ridge]

Yeah mask and face is used interchangeably, in the first game the MM calls the knights face a mask, and in the pharloom the MM calls Hornets face a mask, even tho they were both born with it

[twin dragon]

her mask hasn't changed or broken, because she basically kept being the sentinel for 2 kingdoms

[stray fog]

Wait could eva have the sight?

[blissful harbor]

it’s her skull
again masks and identity are used interchangeably she’s not
it’s not a mask

[swift needle]

No

[frosty gate]

Someone mentioned that, we don't know

[stray fog]

The mask maker is doing something similar to reading crests here

[frosty gate]

I doubt it

[swift needle]

This could actually be true

[blissful harbor]

like, if she took that off
you would be looking at her brain

[swift needle]

Except we don't directly see eva

[whole holly]

yes, she is reading nature of hornet, like eva but both in different ways

[swift needle]

And she's a failed higher being

[frosty gate]

She can't take it off

But it's a mask

[stray fog]

Yeah this is borderline speculation

[twin dragon]

She doesn't seem to have a mask in weaver queen ending

[blissful harbor]

it’s not a mask then
we call that a skull

[twin dragon]

Biological mask

[swift needle]

Because she evolved or ascended

[twin dragon]

it represents what a mask is

[blissful harbor]

she’s completely silhouetted in black wdym

[whole holly]

Shell is entirely physical, Mask isn't exclusively physical since it can refer to bugs identity

[frosty gate]

For humans, yes, for bugs, no, its a Mask

[blissful harbor]

this, calling it a mask when they’re just talking about her identity imo, makes mask talk more confusing than it needs to be

[whole holly]

i officially take this back

[twin dragon]

Whatever the hell hornet's head is, its functionally a mask still

[blissful harbor]

i agree

[frosty gate]

Thank you

Hornet's face is a mask

[blissful harbor]

hornet takes it off and she’s a realistic spider underneath

[viscid ridge]

We get masked bugs, and we get non masked bugs. But there is also masks that can be added to a face, that are not part of the bugs physical anatomy. Thats the best and simplest way to put it.

[swift needle]

NO NO NO NO 😭😭😭😭

I do not need to imagine that

[twin dragon]

It might not be a "mask", but it is functionally one

[blissful harbor]

anyways mask lore sucks it’s convoluted for no reason and should die

[swift needle]

Anddd i imagined it

[twin dragon]

It determines her identity

[frosty gate]

And still, most bugs seem to wear masks that they're not born with

[swift needle]

Anatomy is worse

[blissful harbor]

yuh i don’t disagree there

[twin dragon]

yknow what else SUCKS

GODSEEKER LORE

[whole holly]

shell is more universal than mask, it seems, everyone has shell, Mask also refers to physical mask and bugs nature

[twin dragon]

FUCK GODSEEKERS

WHAT ARE WE DOIN

[blissful harbor]

well actually, her crest does that more than her mask

[swift needle]

What so convoluted about the godseekers?

[frosty gate]

Crests aren't masks

[whole holly]

i think some masks are like Crests, part of bugs nature , some are physical masks that have traits

[frosty gate]

Whatever Eva is doing is deeper than mask Reading

[swift needle]

Crests define the nature of the bug

[viscid ridge]

Most bugs, but i imagine a lot of their masks are biological. We can't really tell. The only one we can confidently say is wearing a mask is styx i think. But as mask maker says its difficult to know who wears a mask and who doesn't

[whole holly]

Mask and Crest are both part of bugs nature, mask is identity, crest is way more broad

[blissful harbor]

they’re basically a bugs actual soul

soul in the way we think of it, not life force

[whole holly]

Crests annoyingly enough also have multiple definition, Defender's Crest is a Charm, Soulmasters are said to have Crests, Kingsoul/Voidheart are also said to have crests, and Weathered MASK also had focusing crest

[viscid ridge]

Crest is the imprint apon a bugs soul that are formed through experiences i think eva explains it. So they both contribute to a bugs identity and personality

[whole holly]

and nature too, like crests also contribute to how bug attacks it seems and abilities like Craftbind

[silk dirge]

yeah

it seems crests can have magical effects other than personality

like shaman crest

[whole holly]

i doubt same can be said about Defender's Crest and Godseeker's Crest

[silk dirge]

or witch crest

[silk dirge]

bc those arent crests in the silksong term

[whole holly]

does every new game change definition of established meaning, this is annoying, but Team Cherry supposedly pays attention to every detail, even though mask and crest each have multiple definitions and they seem to overlap too

[whole holly]

don't take this as attack or anything, but it needs to be pointed out

[silk dirge]

i mean its just using the same word in different ways

[viscid ridge]

But those are crests in the physical sense not in the soul sense. 2 different definitions of crests

[whole holly]

what does Godseeker's Crest that can Focus thoughts have to do with Soul imprint of bug?

[viscid ridge]

Like kingdoms have seals, but also seals refer to the magic barriers

[silk dirge]

nothing bc its referring to different things

the same word can mean different things

it can be confusing yeah

but thats whats happening

[whole holly]

yeah but those two definition also overlap to mask's multiple definitions which is problem

[viscid ridge]

Not really. There not mutually exclusive. Both can have the same sort of effect and still he different in some aspects.

[whole holly]

it makes sense because Seal has different meaning in real life which is established and does not overlap with another word also multiple definition

[whole holly]

Crest(Weaver Term) can refer to bugs nature/identity which Eva can read, but Mask(non-physical) is also bugs nature/identity which mask maker can read

[viscid ridge]

They can both co exist i dont see how the presence of one makes the other invalid

[whole holly]

you can argue that they refer to different aspects of bugs identity but point is they aren't distinct enough for normal readers

[twin dragon]

Mask determines one's purpose, crest inherits one's nature

[whole holly]

they overlap and also have double meanings, which is needless when TC could have used Three word for each of those meanings

[twin dragon]

Or maybe people interpreted them wrongly

or sm shit

Crests are a part of one's being

[whole holly]

if that's case four separate words would solve problems of player's part, it's not players fault

[twin dragon]

I mean nature and identity aren't exactly the same

[whole holly]

"Old One. Watcher, hunter, monarch even" Hunter is also hornet's Crest, maybe not exactly same

[twin dragon]

Hunter is hornet's original nature yes

the rest just add up to their being

eva says that hornet's basically a soup of those

[whole holly]

both Mask and Crest can refer to nature and identity even though they are separate

[twin dragon]

iirc nothing refers to masks when talking abt one's nature

[viscid ridge]

This argument is like complaining that spoons and forks are both used to eat.

[whole holly]

i am just going to assert that Crest leans towards nature and mask leans more towards identity for sanity of entire channel

[visual glacier]

Wanderers journal

[viscid ridge]

They are different, but the fact they are both used to eat something with is very needless overlap

[whole holly]

hey, maybe let's calm down, words overlapping and purpose of kitchen utensils overlapping aren't same , forks and spoons don't also have double meaning on top of that, but sure

[visual glacier]

Crest and masks aren’t the same thing

Crests are an imprint upon a bugs soul, masks are a face/mind

[solemn hinge]

And at that, only specific masks

[whole holly]

what's with replying to already concluded discussions?

[visual glacier]

I was asleep

And I was pinged

About it

[viscid ridge]

Its a pretty simple metaphor for how you view the subject so idk how to explain it to you better

[whole holly]

didn't realize, but second time?

[viscid ridge]

Also im trying to beat nine sols now, and eigong is wooping my ass

[frosty gate]

The beast has been awakened

Behold the Glorkish Jame

[silk dirge]

pharlooms folly reference

[solemn hinge]

Who up glorking they jame

[whole holly]

hey, we already reached conclusion about masks and crests, so maybe don't explain something i already know

[visual glacier]

I didn’t know that tbh

When I came in it looked like you were arguing over semantics

[solemn hinge]

Did we

[viscid ridge]

Your loss then man 🤷‍♂️

[solemn hinge]

But yeah, most masks don't rlly do the stuff the Mask Makers' do

[whole holly]

Yes we did

[whole holly]

Not really but okay

[solemn hinge]

Hornet has a mask, Maskflies do, for example

[frosty gate]

They were

[visual glacier]

I think both of those are natural masks

[whole holly]

They were almost exclusively non-semantic

[solemn hinge]

yeh

[viscid ridge]

Also the worms in wormways have masks, and those weird floaty things next to seamstress

[visual glacier]

Weird floating things?

[viscid ridge]

The ones you get the spikes from

[visual glacier]

Ohh hokers

[solemn hinge]

I think that even handmade masks aren't weird like the Mask Makers', I think maybe it's the lacquer that makes them do funky identity stuff?

[visual glacier]

What makes you say that?

It’s a protective layer

[whole holly]

People refused to consider ancient masks as masks before

[viscid ridge]

I doubt its tbe laquer, i think masks have a sort of vauge mystical property kinda like charms

Unless some specific method is used to make them work that way

[solemn hinge]

Okay but the Lacquer is "Pale"

Which makes me think it's a little funky

Loose connection I know, but it had to have been called that for a reason

[visual glacier]

Only because the knight doesn’t wear them I think

[whole holly]

This was original discussion

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i think thats just cause most masks are painted white, i dont think everything with the word pale in it has to have some mystical property,

But maybe it does?

[whole holly]

That’s not valid reason

[visual glacier]

I don’t think it has to be magical

[visual glacier]

I’m aware

[solemn hinge]

It's hard to tell because I think if it was Pale pale it would be capitalized, but since the word is at the start of the sentence, it's capitalized anyways

[viscid ridge]

Yeah idk, but that's an interesting theory

[visual glacier]

Pale Rosary Necklace

[whole holly]

This is general conclusion

[frosty gate]

Rosary Higher Being

[visual glacier]

Ok?

[frosty gate]

Rosary is capitalized

[viscid ridge]

The true god of gods is capitalism

[solemn hinge]

W pfp, twin

[frosty gate]

I don't get how a mask isn't physical

[visual glacier]

It is

[viscid ridge]

I think he just explained it in a weird way.

[visual glacier]

But it can also affect a bugs mind

[frosty gate]

I mean yeah, but it's still physical

[solemn hinge]

It's not inherently a part of their body is what they meant

[whole holly]

They can be but ancient masks aren’t clearly, since people say they aren’t word

[frosty gate]

Are you still onto the Mask shards thing?

[viscid ridge]

Like we get masked bugs, and non masked bugs. Then we get masks that can be added to a bug, but are not physically part of the bugs anatomy. I think thats what he is trying to explain

[whole holly]

Omg they are masks , ancient masks

[viscid ridge]

Maybe i didn't see it but what were peoples reasoning that ancient masks arent masks?

[whole holly]

Mask maker analyzed hornets mask, which she isn’t visibly wearing

[solemn hinge]

Uhhh

[whole holly]

They were saying it strengthens shell and they are shell

[visual glacier]

I think she is

[solemn hinge]

By all means, what we see as her head could be a mask

[viscid ridge]

Isnt he reading her physical mask?

[visual glacier]

Shell and mask aren’t mutually exclusive

[solemn hinge]

I gotta see Hornet without her mask at some point

Would look funny

[whole holly]

So you are saying shell, mask crest all overlap, that’s making definition too complex

[frosty gate]

Blame TC

[visual glacier]

I don’t think shell overlaps with crest

[viscid ridge]

No we already got enough weirdness from naked hornet 💀

[visual glacier]

It’s specifically the mask

[solemn hinge]

Crest kinda overlaps with mask, mask kinda overlaps with shell, but Crest doesn't overlap with shell

[frosty gate]

Her face is a mask, so he's reading that

[solemn hinge]

It's like a venn diagram

[viscid ridge]

My face, my body and my identity essentially. Nothing about it is too complex

[whole holly]

She obviously has physical face but not worn physical mask like brumm has before turning into nimm

[frosty gate]

Because her's is a biological mask, she just grew up witht that thing

[solemn hinge]

She might

[frosty gate]

Same as weavers

[solemn hinge]

And Maskflies

[frosty gate]

Weaver's big ass heads are masks

[whole holly]

It isn’t until you consider defender’s crest, focusing crest of godseeker

[viscid ridge]

And the weird floaters i guess

[solemn hinge]

There are a lot of examples

[whole holly]

I know but widows was taken off

[solemn hinge]

Yeah? Like masks can be taken off.

[frosty gate]

And Hornet's could be taken off aswell, possibly

[viscid ridge]

Once again, its different definitions for different crests. They are essentially homographs of one another

[visual glacier]

Crests is a weaver word, anyone else using it is using it normally

[whole holly]

You moved goalpost , you were saying it is not complex

[solemn hinge]

I think you're just genuinely having a hard time understanding here

[viscid ridge]

Its not complex?

[frosty gate]

I was

I'm open to being proved wrong

[whole holly]

I know it is face, one born with , and bug can also remove their mask , but Widow is mask less? Does that mean she has no identity?

[solemn hinge]

No no no

[whole holly]

But ancient mask is clearly not face of bug

[solemn hinge]

A vast majority of masks do NOT change identity

Only the ones made by Mask Makers

[viscid ridge]

And the grimm masks remember those too

[frosty gate]

We don't know that, but what we know is that taking off a mask doesn't make them lose themselves

[solemn hinge]

Oh oh true

[frosty gate]

Not inherently

Not everytime

[placid meadow]

Guys, I just realised what Lace was named after

[whole holly]

Was troupes and godseekers made by mask maker

[solemn hinge]

The material, yes

[placid meadow]

She is a dress

[visual glacier]

Troupe, probably made by a higher being so it’s an outlier

[solemn hinge]

I don’t think Godseeker Masks do much other than that crest thingy they have

Nothing identity related at least

[frosty gate]

Attuning

[solemn hinge]

Yeah that

[frosty gate]

And connecting them to the Hivemind

[whole holly]

They are hivemind lol, they say oour mind a sea

[visual glacier]

We don’t know if that’s what makes them a hive mind

[solemn hinge]

Yeah they could just be like that

[viscid ridge]

Yeah,i think it makes all of them share a dreamrealm, unless their ability of a shared mind is biological

[frosty gate]

We also can't assume what the Mask Makers do or don't do.
They make masks, we don't know for who

[frosty gate]

Fair enough

[placid meadow]

For the bugs who doesn't get born with a face obviously like the vessel

[visual glacier]

They serve everyone in the kingdom I think

[whole holly]

It is most likely focusing crest that can focus thoughts on godseekers mask

[solemn hinge]

I mean, they say that their masks change identities, but yeah we don't know who specifically

[viscid ridge]

🤨

[visual glacier]

"A delivery deadly, dangerous, fiercably cold, for old bug up there that does need it much-much! Serves us all he does, so we serve back. And great test for you, miss courier! Most challenging-challenge this. The lacquer to bring is sloshy-slosh. A hard carry even for the best."

[placid meadow]

I mean they are plenty of bugs who arent supposed to have face that have ones

[solemn hinge]

Also, I think we can in some way assume that Styx's masks act similarly

[placid meadow]

Without the Ink, he would't be able to make more mask

[visual glacier]

It might be, maybe the other godseekers had their minds focused into the godseeker and that’s why weathered mask is surrounded by corpses

[viscid ridge]

Like?

[solemn hinge]

Also I wouldn't personally call the Godseekers a Hive Mind

[frosty gate]

It's weird, they always seem so irreverent and uncaring

[solemn hinge]

They're kinda the opposite, a bunch of minds in one body

[frosty gate]

Only have a mind for their work

[random harbor]

Dream Nail: Godhome - Seekers - "...Our mind a sea..."

...Our mind a sea...

@glorkishjames used /dream-nail area: Godhome name: Seekers - "...Our mind a sea..."

[frosty gate]

They have a contract, but we don't know with who

It doesn't seem to be the Kingdom

[viscid ridge]

More of a collective or shared mind. They are all still their own individuals

[placid meadow]

The mantis

[frosty gate]

No one appoints Mask Makers, they're just there

[viscid ridge]

They just share the same mind

[viscid ridge]

Why?

[solemn hinge]

They have a collective, shared mind as separate bodies within the mind of a single individual

[placid meadow]

Look at the face of the three mantis lord

Look how it is out of place

[frosty gate]

Vessel has a Mask

[placid meadow]

Yes

[frosty gate]

And I think the weirdest thing about Masks

We don't see much Maskless bugs do we?

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but why shouldn't they have masks am u asking

[frosty gate]

Nuu is one

[solemn hinge]

Mantises have masks at every point in their life

[whole holly]

Crest is easy to understand it is just mask that is annoying , like ancient mask that , mask maker this, they can just be anything that goes on face or face itself

[viscid ridge]

Youre confusinh yourself with ancient masks. Not even team cherry are sure about how exactly they work. So your talking yourself in circles

[whole holly]

Problem is that we don’t have separation of biological face and additional mask , both of which are masks and identity of bugs

[frosty gate]

Yeah we should leave the masks out of the table (Shards)

[placid meadow]

Well, it doesn't really matter

[visual glacier]

There’s a reason for that

[whole holly]

It is important to be skeptical so we can draw conclusions

[viscid ridge]

🤨

[random harbor]

Mask Maker - Masked - Is it a mask for face

Is it mask or face upon the creature? In Hallownest, a difficult thing it can be to decipher.

@glorkishjames used /npcs misc name: Mask Maker category: Masked dialogue: Is it a mask for face

[placid meadow]

I believe that every bug is unique and that no matter the species some can be born without faces, it might be a genetic mutation

[viscid ridge]

There is a separation, some hugs have masks from birth, some don't. Some bugs are born entirely without a face, which is why bone masks are made as artificial faces.

[visual glacier]

Or do you say that because mask maker does their job too well?