sk-lore

[floral venture]

Regret ≠ shame

[blissful harbor]

[floral venture]

It's a regret because it was all for nothing

[blissful harbor]

literally called wyrms great shame

[floral venture]

Where?

[blissful harbor]

which he feels shame for

[inner torrent]

What if the void isn't leaking inside

But leaking outside

From the pale king itself

[pliant crag]

We don't see void stains on him though

[inner torrent]

Maybe he shaded so much by his sorrow that the void inside him exploded out of his eyeholes and he died or smth

[sinful nimbus]

Mask Maker calls it the "Wyrms great shame", he himself describes the abyss as "refuse and regret", and his emotional feelings regarding THK are emphasized in Path of Pain

[pliant crag]

Maybe a rogue kingsmould was possessed by the greater will of the void after that one idiot turned of the lighthouse

[halcyon fjord]

How did that kill the Kingsmoulds that are MADE of void? Perhaps the void somehow leaked out of their shells, but the Pale King himself doesn't appear to be corrupted by void, and all of the other Kingsmoulds are in fine condition

[pliant crag]

And killed everyone

[blissful harbor]

Mask Maker: "Has it witnessed that truth most tragic? The Wyrm's great shame sealed away."

fuck thst took forever to find

[floral venture]

In that case, if suicide is possible, it's plausible

[blissful harbor]

fuck yoi star go away

[sinful nimbus]

errr mods?

[floral venture]

Though I feel his shame would be more to do with failing his kingdom rather than for his children. After sacrificing that many, why feel shame so late?

[sinful nimbus]

wym "so late"

[pliant crag]

He felt shame during the act

[blissful harbor]

it was always a last resort, he never wanted to

[pliant crag]

Maybe from the moment the plan was conceived

[sinful nimbus]

I'm sure the death of his kingdom was also sad though yeah

[pliant crag]

Not to mention deliviring millions of pale babies to the void

[floral venture]

The tablet and such outlining his shame appear to have come after failing to seal away the light properly, no?

[lethal burrow]

seems like it can live on its own

[floral venture]

So he's already gona and sacrificed countless vessels

[ornate pier]

To him, it had to be done

[pliant crag]

No, it references the shame of the act and not of the failure

[ornate pier]

I feel like refuse and regret of its creation is enough

[floral venture]

[ornate pier]

Sure they're not the exact same thing but shame and regret are heavily linked

[lethal burrow]

I mean, I doubt the pale king was super happy about having to do the child murder

[inner torrent]

I'm surprised hkverse isn't full of pale beings

[ornate pier]

That's what I mean

[pliant crag]

Maybe they are somewhat reclusive

[silk dirge]

unlike gms pk actually cares about his children

[ornate pier]

Gms cares abt her children brah

[floral venture]

Eh

[ornate pier]

Did you not do act 3

[pliant crag]

She just sucks at parenting

[lethal burrow]

dat da joke

[ornate pier]

Yeah

She's a terrible parent but cares

[sinful nimbus]

No the tablet was written after the pure vessel was chosen

[floral venture]

Ahhh, that makes sense, thanks

[ornate pier]

Yeah it s5arts off with like

"Our pure vessel has ascended"

[floral venture]

Suicide is def plausible then, I guess I just don't like it

[floral venture]

It does, good point

[inner torrent]

Considering pale king was able to have thousands of sons and daughters

[inner torrent]

I think you got that wrong

[pliant crag]

Guys hear me out on higher beings:
Dream beings tend to want to create offspring (and ecossystems), a more feminine trait
Pale beings tend to want to dominate, a trait commonly associated with males
So maybe the dream beings and the pale beings each come from one respective source, old gods if you will
And i think the void is a third old god
Dream beings, female
Pale beings, male
Void, genderless
And to top it off, VESSELS HAVE NO GENDER OR SEX
So maybe the void within the vessels is attempting to reform itself into the old god it once was, and the void entities are the start

[sinful nimbus]

They both cared about their children but idk if this is a comparison that makes sense

Vessels are tools to contain the infection moreso than children meant to be raised

GMS is an actual parent and a bad one at that

[floral venture]

Where is the assumption about dreams in general coming from?

[ornate pier]

White Lady:

Grand Mother Silk

Ts whole theory is ass bro nvm

[sinful nimbus]

Dream beings tend to want to create offspring (and ecossystems), a more feminine trait
🤨
Pale beings tend to want to dominate, a trait commonly associated with males
🤨 🤨

[ornate pier]

Yeah ts is js crazy to so casually say kinda

[floral venture]

Ikr lmao

I was thinking that

I tried to hear it out but nah

[silk dirge]

bro was not cooking with that one

[floral venture]

Pushing gender stereotypes on bugs in the big 25 🥀

[ornate pier]

Aren't female bugs usually bigger

Irl

Or sum shit

[floral venture]

No idea 😭

But that would check out with the bugs in HK

[limpid summit]

Depends on the bug

[ornate pier]

Yeah I'm not saying like

All bugs must have bigger females

I'm talking like percentages

[floral venture]

Generally yes

Female bugs do seem to be larger than male bugs on average, according to a few searches

[sinful nimbus]

Its concluded. The Pale Wyrm was a girl before reincarnating

[floral venture]

😭

The smaller you get, the more masc you become

Epic lore 💔

[potent blaze]

does that mean he was a pale queen perchance?

[inner torrent]

I just think the best to think about higher beings is they all seek to form connections

Either with a kingdom, offspring, slaves, etc... They just crave interact in In any way with other beings

They don't always care about their offspring: See... Well, every higher being lol

[blissful harbor]

not my goat Unn

[inner torrent]

Eeeeh idk about that

I will suppose she just sleepy

[blissful harbor]

wym, she’s never noted to be anything but benevolent

lost her strength and now she sleeps, truly inspiring

[floral venture]

Sounds like me, except nobody says I'm inspiring 😔

[gentle aspen]

you know I rarely come into this channel anymore

I come back one time and I find a theory that’s just sexism

I hate confirmation bias

[foggy fractal]

[sinful nimbus]

What can you expect from a game that made its villains exclusively female 😔

[foggy fractal]

what about the forebrothers, signis and gron ?

[spark valve]

but muh gender essentialism

[foggy fractal]

unless you're telling me they're secretly the foresisters

[wheat locust]

whats da topic

[floral venture]

Apologies, we sent them off 😔

[sinful nimbus]

Forgehome nobles 🗣️

[spark valve]

I can’t believe in addition to murdering a grieving gay man hornet would kill those closeted trans people

[sinful nimbus]

They're just doing their job man

[floral venture]

LMAO 😭

[sinful nimbus]

Signis and Gron that is not Hornet

[foggy fractal]

I wonder, did the bellheads come from Forgehome or did they start wearing them in Pharloom

[limpid summit]

Why can’t Signis and Gron get voided

[inner torrent]

Just me or beta burning bugs look like...

Their claw like staffs makes me think a lot of grimm

[foggy fractal]

could be the case they were designed with grimm troupe in mind or it was a coincidence, either way it got changed

[timber pond]

Fire could be a rare resource actually

[inner torrent]

So is the widow and original!

Or a mixed

[gentle aspen]

?

Where

[inner torrent]

I mean, fire as actual fire is not seen in much places

[gentle aspen]

We see candles in the first game

[inner torrent]

Oh right

And in all the churches from the crests

Well, most of the churches at least

[gentle aspen]

It’s probably not rare just not needed since yknow

Lumaflies are assumedly better

Or lumafly equivalents

We don’t ever really see those dying or burning out

Candles are a finite resource

[gentle aspen]

Most likely they associate it with religious type stuff

[foggy fractal]

true

[gentle aspen]

Like shamans or jiji’s ritual or the chapels

[lean temple]

Ig fire isn't used as lighting bcz luma/gleamflies are much more efficient

[foggy fractal]

I think I had this convo with Tammo, he brought up that one of the dialogue from Quirrel in the comic vaguely implies that lumaflies die eventually, probably just a throw away line though

[gentle aspen]

well they would naturally last longer

[foggy fractal]

than candles ? yeah candles suck ass
speaking of the candles, they're always on when we enter whatever chapel but gets put out once we get the crest
is it just that when Hornet binds stuff it gets very windy ?

[gentle aspen]

representative of the holy power leaving that place

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah Joker have you seen the kinda new interview with TC from like 2 days ago

[edgy nebula]

lion village confirmation made me so happy

[timber pond]

Sure. But only by what one would call a Practitioner of the occult. My point is that each time fire is used, its used either in some kind of ritual or magic.

[gentle aspen]

yeah

[gentle aspen]

that doesn’t make it rare

[foggy fractal]

Sharpe confirmed coming back raghhhhh

[gentle aspen]

and it’s like calling candles rare because we have lightbulbs

[foggy fractal]

silksong hype is not dead

[timber pond]

The common bug certainly does not use it.

[gentle aspen]

Yeah, because lumaflies exist

[timber pond]

Right,but does anyone mention flames existence in either game who isn't some kind of god or occult practitioner?

[gentle aspen]

????

dude regular maggots surround false knight’s corpse with candles

They’re not rare

[timber pond]

There is nothing to prove fire is a commonly known source of light or power

[gentle aspen]

you don’t need proof for that and that’s false regardless

fire isn’t some special magic thing it’s fire

[timber pond]

I kind of doubt the magots set up those candles.

Just because I think they aren't the brightest lol

[gentle aspen]

the candles
set up around their sibling’s corpse
wasn’t set up by them

😐

[timber pond]

Yeah its just a room with candles. Is there anything to "prove" it either way? Since we love everything to be proof based in this channel

[silk dirge]

what do we think of star's flickering flame theory

its peak

basically you know how when you enter the shaman room the first time in act 3 the candles turn on

[gentle aspen]

if you’re going to be willfully obtuse I don’t see a point in this discussion

[silk dirge]

theres a lore tablet in that room for a "flickering flame" spell

so stars theory was that they turn on the candles

[solemn hinge]

Sometimes we can just settle for it being probably the case

[silk dirge]

full of lions...

the lion does not concern themself with non lion villages

[timber pond]

I agree really. Im just saying fire is not commonly used

[edgy nebula]

coral gorge dlc and the lion village is actually a lionfish village trust

[silk dirge]

bro is coping 😭

coral gorge isnt coming back

its gone

[solemn hinge]

wtf even IS lion village though

[silk dirge]

a village full of lions

[solemn hinge]

Never heard of that before that article

[edgy nebula]

Full of lions

[silk dirge]

what more do you need to know

(we dont actually know what it is)

[timber pond]

Its a kickstarter backer thing

[solemn hinge]

For HK?

[timber pond]

Yes

[unique canopy]

Imagine murdering multiple pilgrims and ripping masks off just so you can turn the candles on

[silk dirge]

what could the other dungeons be

im curious

[edgy nebula]

it's a scrapped kickstarter village that was found in howling cliffs, mossbag asked tc and all they said was Full of lions

[silk dirge]

i wonder if the lifeblood lab thing might be a dungeon

[foggy fractal]

sadly we have literally no info about them

😭 at least in 2019 TC teased coral tower but the other ones ? nothing

[silk dirge]

why did schreier not ask about this

its like a really weird anomaly

[solemn hinge]

Every day I am sad that we didn’t get every stretch goal for HK

[silk dirge]

zote playable character

[solemn hinge]

Would have been so easy to make too

They said later that it wasn’t gonna be an entirely new thing, just modified Knight movement and gameplay

[silk dirge]

the thing that i think is going to limit any future playable character is they need to be able to heal

[solemn hinge]

You take crazy knockback, do little damage, etc.

[silk dirge]

which is an ability only really powerful people have

[solemn hinge]

That is true

[edgy nebula]

live laugh lion village

[silk dirge]

shakra watching as hornet heals all of the scars she got from fighting craws in 1 second while she has to live with them forever

[edgy nebula]

next hk game we're gonna play as some rando and every enemy deals 5 masks and you cant heal and the game is permadeath

[foggy fractal]

I'm trying not to laugh so hard rn
the estimated delivery times on hk's kickstater rewards being 2015 lmao !

[solemn hinge]

I really wish HK was funded better

We didn’t get the two White Palace bosses either

[silk dirge]

those evolved into white palace enemies i think

[lean temple]

TC got the money now...

[silk dirge]

or smth like that

[timber pond]

If the next game is somw rando, it likely won't be anHK game and be a diffrent thing.

[silk dirge]

i could see a team cherry roguelike

[timber pond]

Because TC says they design the world around the crhacter

[solemn hinge]

Istg if Team Cherry doesn’t go back to HK and at LEAST rebalance the game so help me god

[timber pond]

A "Hollow Knight" game dictates a Hollow Knight chracter

[edgy nebula]

what's this from

[foggy fractal]

one of them did eventually become kingsmould

[lean temple]

The awaited "there weren't any retcons you saw nothing" update

[solemn hinge]

Actually, TC merged the concepts of the two into the Kingsmoulds

[silk dirge]

shakra greymoor dialog

[foggy fractal]

2 bosses turned into a singular enemy 💔

[solemn hinge]

Lmfao, tho tbh i think all HK needs in terms of changes is rebalancing the SHIT out of the game

[foggy fractal]

though tbf it would've been pretty jarring to have not one but two bosses in white palace

[edgy nebula]

alas, i thought it was referencing pharloom bay

[solemn hinge]

Also, we didn’t get 2 of the 4 bosses that would have been in Colosseum

[solemn hinge]

It was presumably gonna be a lot bigger

[lean temple]

It's already big enough😭

And has a whole path of pain to boot

[solemn hinge]

It is pretty big, yeah, but still

[solemn hinge]

Sorry if I’m dwelling on this for so long but what were they THINKING when making Charms??

[lean temple]

A lot can be explained by it being their first big game

And running out of money

[solemn hinge]

Yeah but I think they had money when they were making like, Godmaster at least

[foggy fractal]

blame the playtesters !!!

[solemn hinge]

The Charm system itself works fine enough but it is balanced SO poorly

[lean temple]

I think by that point they started to get caught up with what would become silksong

[solemn hinge]

Maybe so but come the fuck on

It is genuinely so easy to make some of the absolutely dogshit charms like, passable

[blissful harbor]

charms were very last minute according to them

[foggy fractal]

pls increase grimm child dmg and accuracy

[lean temple]

And make it smarter

I HAVE HIVEBLOOD DONT ATTACK THE BEES

[solemn hinge]

I mean yea but I don’t think that excuses how poor the balancing is past release

So much of it is genuinely kinda baffling to me

Oh boy I sure do love a passive 2.25 dps at the cost of 8 soul every 4 seconds

[lean temple]

Some of it really is wild

I calculated that soul eater is better than both catcher and twister combined by like 1 soul lol

[solemn hinge]

Oh oh this one is fun

What if you just use all 3 of them and Shaman Stone like I do

[lean temple]

Between every two Ddarks there will be a ddark

Silksong is way more balanced

You feel way less OP

[solemn hinge]

In seriousness, from what I’ve checked, the first hit you can’t do a spell, but the next… 12 hits you can do a spell in between, then on the next you can’t

[solemn hinge]

By a LOTTTT

HK has so many shit charms, a handful of solid options, and a couple way too busted ones

[lean temple]

You can rush DDark shaman very early and it trivialises every enemy encounter in the game

[unique canopy]

I find it funny that Silksong's balance is one of the biggest "criticisms," because you can't find super OP busted stuff so everything is a "sidegrade."

[foggy fractal]

wdym shaman stone isn't balanced ? you're telling me attacks as big as the bosses themselves that can hit multiple times, as well as grant invinsiblity, deal shit loads of damage, isn't balanced ? smh what do you expect me to do against these bosses...

cruel world...

[lean temple]

When I started feeling powerful act 3 came around to put me in the dirt

They legit gave spell twister the condition of grubberflies elegy

[trail wagon]

am I the only one who thinks this sprite is weird?

[solemn hinge]

Something something I made a tier list about this

[trail wagon]

Like I get that there's some mold on that bell thing, but why does it cover the outline?

[solemn hinge]

Why do you say?

[wheat locust]

Its a bell guy with moss or dirt staining them

or mold yeah

[wheat locust]

wait it does

weird, probably just design though

[trail wagon]

I've always felt like it looks like it's cropped basically

It's Seth's arena

[lean temple]

What about Kingsoul 😔

It's hot garbage

[solemn hinge]

So hard to even think about I didn’t bother

Like, you get rid of it immediately, it would kinda suck if it was any good

[narrow horizon]

Soul catcher needs a buff it's so irrelevant

[solemn hinge]

It’s actually pretty fine

[foggy fractal]

just a quirk of Ari's improved art style
look at the sand on the floor and the spikes here, same thing

[sinful nimbus]

soul catcher is good

[solemn hinge]

Decent for healing, not for spells

[sinful nimbus]

Its soul twister if you want to use the extra soul for healing too its also a very early game charm

[solemn hinge]

I mean it’s fine at spells but better at healing

[narrow horizon]

i don't think people realize how not worth it soul catcher is

[sinful nimbus]

I’ve calculated the soul meter math
3 hits = 1 soul usage
3x3= 9
9 = full soul meter
9x2= 18
18 = full soul meter + the 3 full vessel fragments
And soul catcher gives the same amount
Therefore, soul catcher is useless

[narrow horizon]

"Better for healing over spells" or whatever but spell twister is still better regardless

[lean temple]

If you're going for spells twister outclasses it

[narrow horizon]

unless you're using 0 spells and only save soul for healing then there is never a time where you would use catcher over twister

early game fine because you have no other charms but considering you can get heart, strength, shamans, etc. pretty early on using soul catcher just isn't worth

[inner torrent]

Yep, there are almost no tools that actually need buffs

For example, at first glance spider strings look bad, but it's not spider strings fault

IS NEEDOLIN FAULT FOR BEING SHIT

[narrow horizon]

Ngl i'd put thorns in big buff category

[inner torrent]

Most of these buff/nerf situations would be fixable if they made damage depend on your nail damage.
Or add Charm upgrade system

[solemn hinge]

My idea for it was getting rid of the iframe stealing, make it do 1.5x Nail hit, but make it incapable of doing multi hits

[solemn hinge]

So I have a document for this

[hollow sandal]

Is cloth a cicada or dead?

[narrow horizon]

the internet has had enough of documents, idk if you've seen the undertale/deltarune/undertale yellow community recently but like fuck 💀

[solemn hinge]

Both!

[foggy fractal]

a million grimmchild buffs please !

[inner torrent]

What's a cicada?

[narrow horizon]

i hear document and flinch because every other weak there's a new doc out abt someone

[solemn hinge]

Every charm that needs any sort of rebalance (IMO)

[solemn hinge]

It's a bug

[narrow horizon]

Fury

fury is busted

[solemn hinge]

I think if you can use Fury well, you deserve that 75% damage increase tbh

[inner torrent]

My ideas for top tier:

Glowing Womb: Upgradable damage by nail equivalent to the wispfire lantern buffs in silksong.
Dream shield summons a second Dreamshields when you are under 50% of health.
Heavy blow is erased from the game!
Grimmchild damage should just be better there is no excuse, i heard someone said you can get It to be too strong in early game but, that's fake??? You literally need to beat the third hardest boss wtf, and visit lots of difficult locations
Deep focus: Three notched
Sprintmaster: This actually doesn't need a nerf? Is a solid 1 cost

[mossy cradle]

this doesn't state her exact age tho?? js says she's older than the other bugs, which usually have like a 1-28 day lifespan on average
-# also just realised that trees can live to like 80 usually, not sure how long a wyrm can live nor how long silk can last, but she's not related to root or silk so idc
my "theory" is 190% correct im so friggin smart

[trail wagon]

I mean it's cool, it's just that it's slightly akward in that specific room I showed

[inner torrent]

The varied damage of shaman actually comes from the vengeful spirit getting a size increase while other spells don't

[narrow horizon]

Fury is the reason barbed bracelet is so ass, tc was scared of making it meta defining like fury

[solemn hinge]

I think it would be better if Sprintmaster had a 10% increase to all movement except for dash

[foggy fractal]

well I think it looks fine

[solemn hinge]

Considering it’s post-Crystal Peaks, feels reasonable to me

[inner torrent]

Nail art buff is peak.

The only reason we are using needle strikes in silksong is because barbed bracelet SUCKS

[solemn hinge]

Needle Strikes are affected by it tho

[inner torrent]

I think the nail damage reduction in quick slash is unnecessary, just cutting to half soul gain would be fine imo

Or reducing the speed increase

[solemn hinge]

Yeah that one was fuckin tricky

[inner torrent]

They are? I heard someone said they aren't

Or was that patched?

[solemn hinge]

Wiki says they are so idk

[inner torrent]

I feel barbed bracelet actually needs a nerf in damage increase (or not) but in exchange it would only increase damage by 1 per attack instead of doubling damage

[solemn hinge]

I think 25% and just an extra 1 damage would be solid enough, and would actually potentially be broken for Beast Crest

[inner torrent]

Lifeblood heart imo could have been a 1 notch cost keeping the 2 lifeblood masks, do the lifeblood core would give 6 masks and making a fun progression in lifeblood charms number of notches haha

2 notches 3 masks can still work tho

[vocal cipher]

Hi I am new to discord and just wanted to say hi to the people in the hollow knight & silk song community

[little zodiac]

why did wormways get|| plasmified|| in act 3 when the ||void threads|| spreaded

[solemn hinge]

Take my answer with a grain of salt but I think it’s purely coincidental

[little zodiac]

i mean the lifeblood creature in og hk is also in the abyss so

[solemn hinge]

Like in HK, when you kill a Dreamer or get Monarch Wings, Forgotten Crossroads gets infected

[little zodiac]

maybe they are realted

[solemn hinge]

It doesn’t get infected because those things happened, it’s simply a matter of time passing

I think it’s a similar case here

[little zodiac]

honestly yeah thats prob it

[solar tapir]

Maybe they are mutually exclusive

lifeblood cant get infected by the void

[solemn hinge]

Hmmm that could be true

[solar tapir]

and lifeblood infection was before

[little zodiac]

its still interesting that the lifeblood core is in the abyss which has the void

[solemn hinge]

Indeed

[solar tapir]

all lifeblood may come from abyss creature

so immune to the void by default

[little zodiac]

oh its called abyss creature yeah

[scenic shuttle]

Yeah lifeblood comes from the abyss creature most likely and it is some form of higher being as it appears in godhome

And the godseeker does not recognize it

[solemn hinge]

We don’t know if they Abyss Creature is even from the Abyss is the thing

Could have been locked there

[little zodiac]

lifeblood is hinted to have marine origins cuz zylotol says his master found plasmium in salt stricken waters at the edge of pharloom (pharloom bay)

[scenic shuttle]

Most likely was because the pale king banned lifeblood but that door needing lifeblood to open is really weird

[solemn hinge]

I’ve heard that there isn’t any confirmation that PK actually did that

[scenic shuttle]

He didn’t like it we know that

Joni’s blessing

[solemn hinge]

I wouldn’t mind having a source for that

[scenic shuttle]

Joni’s blessing and/or lifeblood heart and core most likely

[random harbor]

Charm: Joni's Blessing

Blessed by Joni, the kindly heretic. Transfigures vital fluids into blue lifeblood.

The bearer will have a healthier shell and can take more damage, but they will not be able to heal themselves by focusing SOUL.

@_shush__ used /charms category: B-K charm: Joni's Blessing

[scenic shuttle]

The kindly heretic

[solemn hinge]

Hmmm idk

Like yes, Joni was obvs frowned upon, but it doesn’t make any mention of PK

[scenic shuttle]

Who else would it be heretical to in the howling cliffs?!

Right next to kings pass

[solemn hinge]

I assume that the reason they’re even in Howling Cliffs is because they’re a heretic

[scenic shuttle]

Exactly

[solemn hinge]

Well yeah but we don’t know if PK did that

[scenic shuttle]

Check lifeblood heart and core

[random harbor]

Charm: Lifeblood Heart

Contains a living core that seeps precious lifeblood.

When resting, the bearer will gain a coating of lifeblood that protects from a modest amount of damage.

@_shush__ used /charms category: L-W charm: Lifeblood Heart

[scenic shuttle]

I thing Salubra shop description has something about it being taboo

[solemn hinge]

Taboo yeah

[scenic shuttle]

She’s in hallownest

[solemn hinge]

But also like… PK did die a long ass time ago

[scenic shuttle]

Hallownest died before the PK did

He hid in his palace

[solemn hinge]

Sorta yeah

But he wasn’t present for a while, at least

[scenic shuttle]

While the vessel was beginning to fail

[solemn hinge]

Yea

[scenic shuttle]

And after WL went to queens gardens to begin mourning

[solemn hinge]

Yeag

[scenic shuttle]

Also I think we know why pk wouldn’t like it considering what happens to the worm ways in silksong where hornet says that it reminds her of the radiance infection

[solemn hinge]

True, but that’s a bit of an assumption

Not a baseless one, but still

[scenic shuttle]

It looks just like the radiance

[solemn hinge]

Yeh

[scenic shuttle]

1 bloated
2 reanimating the dead
3 spitting globs of the infection made manifest
4 whatever the fuck happened to plasmified zangoo

Is like that one goober at glowing womb

[solemn hinge]

True

[scenic shuttle]

Yeah

Pk might have been able to feel its threat

[solemn hinge]

Perhaps, tho idk if he was still around by that time

[scenic shuttle]

He most likely was he was alive for a really really long time

Gn

[solemn hinge]

Good night 👋

[vocal cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4S2nNwriNIw

[scenic shuttle]

This is lore no memes

[solemn hinge]

For a serious discussion about that, do y’all think one of her previous mates could have been Hive Knight

[pearl tinsel]

i wonder what weakened hornet so much in silksong

[craggy smelt]

Hornet's love of fuzzy things started early...

I seem to recall someone working out that the timing wouldn't be feasible with Hornet x Hive Knight

[pearl tinsel]

it was said that it was a rune cage,
but a cage weakening her that much for that long seems a bit much

[solemn hinge]

So Y’know how Hornet doesn’t take fall damage because her terminal velocity isn’t high enough to hurt her?

[pearl tinsel]

and the rune cage in the slab she dealt with rather easily

[craggy smelt]

she built up a resistance

[solemn hinge]

Well, because the rune cage is SO heavy, it made her terminal velocity high enough to gravely injure her, on TOP of being weakened inside of it

[pearl tinsel]

hornet does lifeblood in her freetime, thats why she doesnt lose her mind when plasmified

[solemn hinge]

At least that’s how I interpreted it

You can see how much the fall hurt her because of her period cramps falling unconscious not too long after

[vocal cipher]

its good

[solemn hinge]

We saw this, yes

This channel isn’t really the place for this kinda stuff

[vocal cipher]

ok

[hoary fable]

Guys

I have a theory

What if phantom is a phantom thief

Cause she use persona to summon mist

That's why she holds her mask to her face

(pls don't hate me)

[silk dirge]

i mean then the beginning of act 3 should strip your abilities also

i think rune cages are just really good at sapping strength

[solemn hinge]

I mean, more that she was in a rune cage THEN got absolutely destroyed

[silk dirge]

yeah

[solemn hinge]

It’s a nasty combo

[silk dirge]

but i think it was mainly the rune cage

[solemn hinge]

Yea

[silk dirge]

im still trying to figure out the exact mechanics how the rune cage would work

since silk skills would be like things hornet memorizes how to do

so did it mess up her memory?

[solemn hinge]

[silk dirge]

or did it weaken her to the point she knew how to do them but couldnt

and if she took a long nap she would figure it out

[solemn hinge]

It’s kinda weird yeah

Like for TK it’s pretty explainable why it didn’t have dash even tho other Vessels did cause it actually did just lose its memory

For Hornet it’s a little weird tho

[silk dirge]

i wonder how did tk lose memory

bc the wastes dont work like that

[solemn hinge]

I meannnn

It did happen to Quirrel too

[silk dirge]

yeah but hornet seems fine

[solemn hinge]

It could just be going for too long outside of a kingdom

[silk dirge]

i feel like quirrel makes sense hes mortal

tk isnt tho

i dont think tk lost any memory tbh

since you straight up take the dash item

you arent learning it

you are picking it up

so the knight just lost its stuff

[solemn hinge]

He… sorta is

Like, with Monomon’s Mask, he is immortal

[silk dirge]

maybe it grants him some power

but i dont think it makes him immortal

monomon is also a mortal

[solemn hinge]

It does I’m pretty sure

[silk dirge]

shes a cool person but she isnt special

[silk dirge]

can you find the dialog that says that

[solemn hinge]

Lookin

[random harbor]

Quirrel - Teacher's Archive - Listening after killing Monomon, exhausted dialogue

The Madam's life is extinguished and with it her seal breaks.
It's a heavy thing you attempt, but I've seen your prowess up close and she too believed you capable.
Be on your journey then, and allow me rest a time. With the deed complete, I begin to feel my age.

@_shush__ used /npcs wanderers name: Quirrel category: Teacher's Archive dialogue: Listening after killing Monomon, exhausted dialogue

[solemn hinge]

This is… admittedly sketchy evidence

[silk dirge]

yeah

[solemn hinge]

It does seem like the mask gives him an unnaturally long life tho…

[silk dirge]

possibly

i feel like the way that makes sense to me is people who wander in the wastes lose memories of hallownest

[solemn hinge]

Though I think immortal was a stretch, he is also old as FUCK

[silk dirge]

but people who come in from the wastes and were never part of prime hallownest dont have memory issues

[solemn hinge]

During the events of HK, he is older than both Hornet and all the Vessels

[silk dirge]

god this timeline is so wack

[solemn hinge]

So more that it matters if Hallownest is where you come from?

[silk dirge]

i keep remembering that it is fully possible the events of hk happened just as the citadel was being built

[solemn hinge]

Perhaps

[silk dirge]

yeah

you relinquish the mind pk gave you

but if you never had that in the first place

[solemn hinge]

(To clarify, Monomon was likely training Quirrel when he was at least a little old, old enough to be entrusted with her mask, which makes me think he’s at least a little older)

[solemn hinge]

Yeah, though ofc it does depend on the bug

Mantises would be fine, for example

[silk dirge]

yeah

idk if they ever got "ascended" by pk

i dont think they did

[solemn hinge]

They definitely did not

[silk dirge]

so they wouldnt have any issues

[solemn hinge]

Frankly, I feel like only what would later be seen as Husks were actually “ascended” by the guy

[silk dirge]

yeah

quirrel probably was one of those

[solemn hinge]

Bees? Nope, they didn’t get along well with PK. Shrumals? Got along well with him, but actively chose to side with him because of his foresight

Moths (should be obvious)

Mosskin, nope, Unn alr did that. Snail Shamans, doubtful? They seem to be doing fine in Pharloom.

[silk dirge]

can we talk about green prince age tho

this mf is fucking crazy old

[solemn hinge]

And the Spider Tribe fuckin hated the guy

[solemn hinge]

I’m not well versed on the subject

[silk dirge]

he was ruler of verdania before the citadel presumably

regardless of which timeline we choose that means he is older than hornet

[solemn hinge]

Oh, yeah true

Okay so

GMS ascends pharlids, eventually the Weavers she makes seal her and make the Citadel

Green Prince was ruling presumably before then

And only AFTER do the Weavers leave the Citadel to go to Hallownest

So yeah, bro OLD

[silk dirge]

i mean cindril weavers left before citadel but that still means hes older than the rebellion

[solemn hinge]

True

[silk dirge]

i guess being an old heart means you are basically as close as a mortal can get to a hb

[solemn hinge]

I’m not sure about that but it definitely has some sort of physical trait to it

[silk dirge]

but like karmelita is fucking a sneeze away from dying and green prince hasnt aged a fucking day

[solemn hinge]

The power of homosexuality idk

[silk dirge]

i wonder if there is actually more to palestag

it could also just be a timeline miscalculation

[solemn hinge]

It’s certainly a very very interesting name and appearance

[silk dirge]

we know verdania existed until conductors

bc its in memorium

[ornate pier]

Palestag was just a fat cloverstag or something

[silk dirge]

so it is possible there were other green princes before the two we know after gms arrived

i love silksong timeline

what was tc cooking with old hearts

when the heart is old!

[solemn hinge]

I’m old!

[ornate pier]

HK timeline in general honestly

Though I guess in HK it's more like

[silk dirge]

i mean hk was a lot more clear about the sequence of events

[ornate pier]

The amount of time passed is the bigger problem

[ornate pier]

Yeah

[silk dirge]

the exact time isnt relevant really

but in silksong there is so much confusion over the sequence of events

particularly regarding the old hearts

if you figure out karak timeline you win 1 million dollars

[foggy fractal]

are you /srs or /j

[silk dirge]

/j.

if i had 1 million dollars i would not be talking here rn

[lethal burrow]

hiii

[silk dirge]

karak timeline is the navier-stokes equation of silksong

[foggy fractal]

darn

[foggy fractal]

who ?

[silk dirge]

search it up

its an unsolvable(as of now) equation

its about fluid dynamics

[edgy nebula]

fitting

[foggy fractal]

Seal we should go back to trying to fix silksong problems

[silk dirge]

we should

i just got back to my college housing from thanksgiving tho

i gotta settle in

[timber pond]

You would have to go back in time and Puppet Willam pellen to do that. Since they developed the game Sequentially With Silk being pulled into the abyss always in mind

I never lament Either game. I let not Greed Cloud what i can have in the present.

(except For ETV, they have to resolve it at this point lol)

[foggy fractal]

college assignmet is kicking my ass rn

[timber pond]

Games Are a consequence of Who people are. And people are not perfect. So i end up Not Caring as much.

[junior epoch]

I’m still so curious why Widow is so feral. Like yeah being in such a physical punishment for likely thousands of years will do that to you but the first sinner seems to be doing dandy (despite the whole dead thing but she seems still sane||. What’s with the growling, snarling?? Did the punishment make her revert back to a pharlid (which makes sense considering some of her attacks) since she has no way to her own silk, which is the one thing that made weavers stand out among all of pharloom. When I think about it more it’s more likely due to GMS wanting her only weaver left to be loyal to her but have no way of escaping, despite widow already have been loyal before and after the rebellion.

[craggy smelt]

first sinner is pretty similar, and she is a beautiful lady in an elegant gown, so
maybe that's just how Weavers be

[turbid prism]

Maybe she learned that it’s called the oven even though you of in the cold food and of out the hot eat food

It’s good to consider all our options

[visual glacier]

The popular theory is that having her mask forcefully removed made her go insane

It holds up with what we know about masks

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah rip widows sanity

[hushed crater]

And also the pins stuck in her back for constant pain

[junior epoch]

I think that theory is quite obvious since the weavers can create silk and thrive on it, but widow’s ability to make silk was forcefully taken for her despite?? not being apart of the rebellion but I’m guessing her case is similar to lace; “even tho she claims loyalty I’ll make sure she’ll never be able to betray me”. Widow = no mask lace = depends on GMS bc she is made of almost entirely silk. The difference is one masks their loyalty

[visual glacier]

Or the weavers did that to her because she was a gms fanatic

We really don’t know

[dire lynx]

there is a removed cutscene that showed the weavers demasking widow

[visual glacier]

Doesn’t matter

[stray fog]

Removed

[visual glacier]

Also that’s not even true, I’ve seen the sprites

[stray fog]

Its unclear who was removing her mask, but her mask was definitely being removed

[visual glacier]

Correct

People spread so much misinformation about cut content

[dire lynx]

we have a weaver who has always been a grandmother silk glazer, who refused to flee pharloom who just happens to have had her silk disabled and her mask removed

[visual glacier]

The weavers probably

But we can’t say for sure

[dire lynx]

i wonder who would do that 🤔

[visual glacier]

Cut content should not be used as evidence

[hushed crater]

The weavers are still half beasts and she got pins in her back with seems too brutal for gms to do to her last loyal

And we saw she has some soul after the true ending

Where she helped hornet save lace

[sterile jacinth]

What???

Widow??

[hushed crater]

No I mean gms

[sterile jacinth]

Oooh

Yeah gms is a mother first and foremost

An extremely flawed one but a mother nonetheless

[viscid ridge]

I dont know how to prove it, but i think sharpe is gonna be a sort of vessel. Like not a child of the Pale king vessel, but maybe a voided child of another higher being, potentially the masters.

I have no evidence for this, but sharpe reminds me a suspicious amount of the the hollow knight.

[sterile drum]

That is if she was loyal. She very well could have been part of the rebellion, captured and tortured, until she broke.

[sterile jacinth]

No I agree. Im thinking something like the kings moulds. Void shoved into a shell and given a purpose

[dire lynx]

she was loyal, the only weaver(we know of) who stayed when the others fled

[hushed crater]

Gms doesn't seem to use regular pins and she would probably have used a different torture method unlike what we see with widow

[sterile drum]

Plenty of weavers stayed tho. All the weavers in those deathlike states from the various shrines, where we bind their silk/power to get new silk skills, for example. And those put themselves in that state after GMS was put to sleep afaik

[heavy gyro]

Those weavers weren't loyal to GMS though

[sterile drum]

Thats what Im saying

[dire lynx]

they didnt stay because they wanted to, but out of duty. unlike widow

[sterile drum]

How would you ever know for a fact she stayed because she wanted to?
Also I thought her staying was proof for her being loyal, but now her being loyal was the basis for her staying. Thats the most circular argument I ever heard.

[dire lynx]

she degrades those who fled, which i would say is a sign she didnt like them, and sees their actions as cowardly or undesirable

"Ohhhh! She is here! The rare birthling! Precious child of Wyrm and Weaver!
Spawn of those who dared to flee. She has found her way home... at last."

[solemn hinge]

Widow is quite simply a simp

[dire lynx]

biggest (and only) glazer

[copper fiber]

is widow the only weaver that stayed loyal to gms

I wonder why gms never seems to acknowledge that

[solemn hinge]

Does GMS ever even talk

[craggy smelt]

you can hear her thoughts during the Silkheart memories

she just screams otherwise

[whole holly]

Weavers of Hallownest that went back to Pharloom seem to be not found, maybe Team Cherry addresses it

[stray fog]

Maybe telepathically

Because she told the Weavers that they were divine

Presumably without talking

[whole holly]

maybe she can do that with Silk Powers/ Haunting, she does that in memories so wouldn't be far fetched

[stray fog]

This too

She talks to her hive mind telepathically I think

[stray fog]

The Weavers weren't haunted though

[wintry compass]

ok real discussion guys

why

does hornet never shaw in SK

[obsidian gale]

She older

[wintry compass]

did the fall not just take away her powers, but also her shaws

[obsidian gale]

Dropped that young ppl slang

[craggy smelt]

lawsuit from Shaw Internet Cable Services

[stray fog]

Idk if team cherry even knew that the community loved the shaw line

[obsidian gale]

There is a theory that it was just a taunt to the night to test him

[whole holly]

they weren't conventionally haunted yes

[wintry compass]

I saw a meme short that said shaw is an edgy curse word

that she grew out of

[stray fog]

Lol

[visual glacier]

If she can scream, she probably has the ability to talk

[solemn hinge]

That’s not rlly what I was asking but alr

[visual glacier]

She kinda talks

[visual glacier]

In the silk hearts

[solemn hinge]

I see

[jade skiff]

by @shellwoodsheart

lil thing i wanna put here

[frosty gate]

Got my damn account pwned by the fuckwit who keeps sending the scam screenshots here, fuck
I didn't send anything weird here did i?

[pearl thunder]

there is a discord search function

[pearl thunder]

bad image, handwriting should look more deranged to fit the vibe of sk lore

[frosty gate]

It would've gotten deleted anyway

[pearl thunder]

then message modmail to contact the mod team about it

[frosty gate]

But I guess me not being banned means whoever is it, didn't send it

[narrow horizon]

Nah tc DEFINITELY knows

[hushed viper]

are we not gonna question how deep docks just have a direct link to a giant cavernour ravine that connects pharloom and the abyss?

[sterile drum]

Why not
Weve seen multiple groups explore the Abyss already. Why wouldnt the citadel

[swift needle]

The citadel could easily know about the abyss with weaver technology and why not dig down to it?I mean we know that the weavers had gone to the void to escape gms so it is quite plausible

Also I need this question answered that is pharloom bay canon to pharloom and if it is ,is it just inaccessible

?

[swift needle]

Also in cut content we have the beast master who appeared in the beastfly arena and was layed on the ground presumably dead

[stray fog]

Zylotol mentions that his master found lifeblood in pharloom bay

He doesn't say "pharloom bay"

But hes definitely talking about that

[whole holly]

i think we will unlock Pharloom Bay in DLC, i don't think Steel Assasin Sharpe will fit anywhere else in game narratively, unless he comes to citadel

[rain gate]

pharloom bay is boat to steel city trust (i am spreading this agenda every time pharloom bay is mentioned)

[whole holly]

lol, it makes sense somewhat it could be , lot of others think that as well

i think we might get more crests in DLC as well as tools

DLC might be centered around Lifeblood and Steelhearts, i don't think we will see godseeker's first, because Godseeker DLC wasn't first DLC for Hollow Knight and it feels unlikely for Godseeker to appear in Pharloom soon

maybe hidden dreams DLC is coming to Silksong

[lean temple]

I hope they don't do Godseeker again

[solemn hinge]

I hope they actually give us a Lifeblood DLC for once

[lean temple]

Lol

[snow sonnet]

Plasmium*

[solemn hinge]

The "Lifeblood" DLC in the first game had nearly nothing to do with the substance 💔

[foggy fractal]

epic fail

[vocal epoch]

They said in the interview that they knew people wanted a similar area to relight bosses and do pantheon so it probably won't be for a while but it's probably on their mind right

[lean temple]

A boss rush, yes, but I don't want just copy paste godhome

[snow sonnet]

I didn't really see it in the same wave of the others, is just an overhaul update

[vocal epoch]

I'm sure they won't cause that would be boringgg

[sterile jacinth]

Thematically I think the godseekers are dead

[vocal epoch]

There were 2 ways to interpret ur msg but I was pretty sure it was godseekers like as a whole and not the concept of boss refighting

[solemn hinge]

Y'all think they gonna make the Ascended version of some bosses the Blackthreaded versions

[lean temple]

God no

[foggy fractal]

probably lmao !

[lean temple]

I don't want the same Void attacks on 46 bosses

[solemn hinge]

What

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah that’s boring

[lean temple]

They really got old quick

[foggy fractal]

waiter ! waiter ! more void slop please !

[unique canopy]

Last Judge has data for it even though you can't get to act 3 without beating her

[solemn hinge]

There are only a couple black threaded bosses

[sterile jacinth]

Oooh 2 contact damage and the same 3 attacks oooooo

[whole holly]

i want it but it seems that it will be most expanded on third game

[sterile jacinth]

You can if you go through phantom

[foggy fractal]

the fear is they add more of them

[unique canopy]

You need to beat Last Judge to move the fleas

[sterile jacinth]

Oh that’s true

Nvm

[whole holly]

i really don't want more void, less would be better

[sterile jacinth]

If we do get a godhome I think it would be more memory related

[lean temple]

Or Lifeblood bosses

[whole holly]

i feel like they are setting up lifeblood to be main narrative force of third game

[sterile jacinth]

I also think it would be a lot more personally related to Hornet

Godhome is kind of in universe very unrelated to the knight

[whole holly]

yeah, maybe more lifeblood quests, i will be able to tolerate that, i want to find out more about it

[sterile jacinth]

I would like to see Hornet calling the godseeker a bitch tho

[stray fog]

Will hornet remember her time in godhome? (assuming that the knight did godhome)

[lean temple]

Something about telling her she doesn't need to simp for gods and can just live her own life

[whole holly]

does anyone else think that Steel Hearts may also fill role of Godseeker's? that thought is i back of my mind because i don't know who else could do it, Shamans are Dead, Weavers are dead, doubt Moss Druid would be capable, maybe they introduce equivalent group or Steel Hearts will be searching for higher beings and helping hornet with boss rush

[lean temple]

Why would they do that though

[sterile jacinth]

It might feel dreamlike. Like she doesn’t know if it was real

[lean temple]

Like what would the Masters gain from it

[stray fog]

They have something to do with higher beings, so its not completely out of the question

[whole holly]

we don't know yet, they can expand it if they wanted to go that route

[stray fog]

If I had a dream about godhome and godhome happened irl a few years later, I would notice

[sterile jacinth]

That’s true

I don’t think godhome is coming back though

[lean temple]

Well yeah basically everything a Steelheart does is by order or with consent of the Masters, so they have to be involved.

[sterile jacinth]

Godhome specifically not a boss rush. I think we’re getting a boss rush

[stray fog]

We don't have enough information on them to invalidate this idea

[whole holly]

if that ends up being case i would want either Steel Heart(knight-sized maybe sharpe) or Grimmchild to be protagonist of third game

[rain gate]

godseekers won't be in pharloom, they have no reason to be

[stray fog]

Yeah pharloom has one higher being

Way less than hallownest

[rain gate]

that but also all the godseekers were in the mask of the one in Hallownest, and they either died or stayed after the events of HK

[swift needle]

I think they'll add lesser dlcs first and top it off with steel city with the pantheons

[rain gate]

so no reason for them to leave Hallownest and go to Pharloom

[swift needle]

Or just a void filled godhome where we could fight the shade lord

[lean temple]

They said dlc will be way more ambitious in general

[rain gate]

theyll justify a boss rush some other way

[stray fog]

That's not happening imo

[whole holly]

maybe Masters want something for it, Godseeker's achieved Void Entity and conjured him as god of all gods though ascension, maybe Steel Hearts and Masters want to reproduce that outcome with boss rush of their own

[sterile jacinth]

Plus I think they’re kinda dead

[rain gate]

depends on the ending

but yes

[lean temple]

Yeah my idea too. Maybe they want to awaken Hornet's power

[whole holly]

maybe Ascended GMS will summon Knight in Memory

[sterile jacinth]

They’re not all powerful. They were already super weak when we meet them. I doubt they’re around now

[swift needle]

Ya I'm onto nothing the godseekers died when the void consumed godhome

[rain gate]

if its EtV, theyre dead either way
if its DnM, they probably stayed

[stray fog]

I was talking about the shade lord bossfight idea

[lean temple]

Well the Godseekers are mortals

They could've just died out

[rain gate]

*Godseeker
theres only one physical one, the rest are carried in the mask

[swift needle]

Oh but still the shade lord is horneta half brother so I don't see why she should fight him

[stray fog]

I wonder what the masters think about the shade lord

They were impressed by the voidheart

[sterile jacinth]

Even if they did survive the godhome ending I doubt they’re around now. The only godseeker we see physically is really weak

[whole holly]

Hornet won't be ascended to become Void Entity though, they probably want attention of Ghost/Lord of Shades

[whole holly]

supposedly Lord of Shades and Masters are similar in nature somehow

[swift needle]

I see them as more of a hive mind

[lean temple]

Ig putting her in danger would alert the Knight

[sterile jacinth]

I saw them as a society all carried in the mind of one of their members

[stray fog]

Insert ancient civilization steel master headcanon

[whole holly]

Hornet's version of ascension would be gaining different crests and getting silk

[rain gate]

i mean in the fic im writing rn an HB hybrid like hornet goes to godseeker post EtV (theyre alive just filled with void) and she directs them to hornet bc she was powerful

[solemn hinge]

The Godseekers are all mortal

[rain gate]

i think this is how it works

[solemn hinge]

This is because if the physical one dies, they ALL die

[whole holly]

yeah, game lore subtly points to that, and they want knight

[stray fog]

Does it point to that?

[swift needle]

I don't think the steel city and ancient civilization are connected in ANy eay

[stray fog]

I was just speculating

[swift needle]

Way

[whole holly]

plausible, but how would they achieve that in memory, unless they make it special memory with essence/dreams

[lean temple]

Yeah no clue

[swift needle]

Guys the shade lord existed prior to the knight it's just that the knight merged with it

I think

[sterile jacinth]

I think it’s implied that shade lord is just the void united and controlled under one mind

[solemn hinge]

The Knight is the Lord of Shades

[swift needle]

Oh wait I'm dumb the statue literally says lord of shades

Mb mb

[lean temple]

Power without unity
Strength before unseen

[sterile jacinth]

You know it’s probably good pk died on his own terms and wasn’t brutally torn apart by sl like rad was

[stray fog]

Would the shade lord want to do that

[whole holly]

Ancient Civilization wanted to become Shades supposedly like Knight is internally and Knight with Kingsoul achieved Lord of Shades form, in AC were higher beings and become Shades, it makes sense with Focus and Shade they could achieve Void given Focus and Voidheart in their own way, and since Knight is said to be similar to Steel Heart's Masters Masters could be ancient civilization since they vassals can control void like knight does, and Steel Assassin Sharpe seems to be Void with Steel Shell, maybe Steel has properties of withstanding internal Void/Shade

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t know about the knight but I feel like the shaes from the abyss wouldn’t think too kindly of their father

[swift needle]

We only see the shades of the vessels in the ancient basin butttt the void tendrils could be something

[stray fog]

Thk might be the only one who loves him

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah lol

[whole holly]

like i said, game lore subtly points to is, and it is plausible

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think ghost cares about pk

[stray fog]

I like this theory, but it is majorly speculation. Not implied by the game

[whole holly]

plus Ancient Civilization literally wrote about being cleansed by void and shades, so very likely

[swift needle]

I don't know about the steel repelling void part but the everrbloom and the land where it came from could be endgame content for the hollow knight universe

[whole holly]

it is but very subtly, it does have some holes

[swift needle]

Cleansed by void as in saved by it

[whole holly]

how can you be sure that it's right way it interpret their tablets?

[whole holly]

okay, i doubt Hornet will travel to lands of serene in next DLC

[swift needle]

I didn't say that

I said it's endgame content for the hollow knight universe

[whole holly]

i know i just added my opinion

[swift needle]

All good

[swift needle]

The fact that no higher being can repel the void and the fact that cleansed in the prefix

[whole holly]

First Light/Everbloom could be but i doubt this is going to be in next DLC

[swift needle]

Lands of serence could be

Next doc prolly related to lifeblood

Or plasmium

Zylotol said his master found it in pharloom bay

And we know in the acmi maps pharloom bay led to lifeblood spire

Sooo

[whole holly]

i mean that Void Cleanse us to me sounds similar to Vessels being hollowed out, context of lore tablets supports it with them documenting similarities to vessel nature

[lean temple]

I wonder why the AC doesn't have presence outside the Abyss in Pharloom. Gamewise it is for the surprise in act 3 but lore wise I wonder what the reason is. Maybe they couldn't get out?

[stray fog]

I agree

[swift needle]

Prolly because they mainly inhabited the abyss rather than the surface and they ventured out in hallow nest but not in pharloom

[stray fog]

Yeah but why

[whole holly]

i still don't understand what that has to do with cleansing or however you interpret it, and how void saves ancient civilization?

[swift needle]

Worshipped void

[swift needle]

It didn't save them they worshipped the void

[whole holly]

maybe they wanted to be in proximity to power source

[whole holly]

but why did you say saved then?

[stray fog]

I get that they are mainly inhabiting the abyss, but the question is that why didn't they venture out

[lean temple]

They have soul totems and shade gates and ruins all over Hallownest but nothing in Pharloom

[whole holly]

.

[swift needle]

Oh

[lean temple]

One reason is they just could not get out from the Abyss into Pharloom

[whole holly]

they did in Hallownest it seems, just not in Pharloom, which is interesting to me too

[stray fog]

Maybe they were stopped by the lava

And magma

[swift needle]

Maybe they originated from hallownest and then inhabited the abyss?

[whole holly]

yeah, that's very observant of you, i didn't think of that

[lean temple]

That's one reason

[swift needle]

Guys i might be crazy but what if hallow nest is the centre of the hollowknight universe

Debunk this

[whole holly]

you don't explain lore tablets well

[swift needle]

Ya mb

[lean temple]

We don't need to debunk something with zero evidence supporting it

[whole holly]

it's okay, we all are here to learn

[swift needle]

Maybe wyrms come to points of strong civilizations?

And what if the mask maker worked for the ancient civilization

[whole holly]

Void, Essence and Soul seem to be Primal Forces of Hollow Knight Universe, Silk, Dreams, memories, infection, lifeblood, Nightmares and Shades are byproducts of that

[swift needle]

Lifeblood is its own thing i suppose

[whole holly]

it seems to be the case, Steel Hearts have connection to Void

[lean temple]

Dreams and Nightmares seem primordial as well

[swift needle]

Nightmares are the byproduct of dreams i think

[lean temple]

They are two sides of the same coin

One realm split in half

[swift needle]

Oh ya i remember that

[whole holly]

maybe not, since it has essence particles in lifeblood room, behaves similarly to infection which is, game alludes that they have connection to Essence, but Abyss Creature may have connection to void too

[swift needle]

Also good thing to point out that every civilization will die out including the Grimm troope and the nightmare heart

[whole holly]

both are made up by essence, like how memories are made by silk

[lean temple]

Oh I didn't read Essence mb

Ig that's true

[whole holly]

it's okay

Infection and Lifeblood seems to be opposing diseases, but that may be because they are made by Opposing Higher Beings

[stray fog]

My headcanon is that the lifeblood higher being is a butterfly

[lean temple]

Infection, Moth, light,
Lifeblood, butterfly, void?

[whole holly]

Radiance is weird she is made of Light brighter than essence, and that's how she was able to partially repel void, only other thing that seems to be able to do that is First Light/Everbloom

[stray fog]

Not sure

[whole holly]

i mean i doubt lifeblood is innately related to void, i think they are both made by essence by powerful higher beings

[whole holly]

it may very well be

[lean temple]

The lighthouse can pacify the Void. Void can be quelled with a bright enough light

[stray fog]

They don't need to be opposites. Lifeblood might also be light related

[rain gate]

they seem to be similar yet different, the way moths and butterflies are

[whole holly]

yeah, that's true Lumafly Lantern, Radiance, Everbloom

[rain gate]

i think theyre related somehow

[whole holly]

they aren't inherenltly opposing, but may made by opposing gods

[rain gate]

also considering blue and orange are complimentary colors

[stray fog]

🔥

[lone folio]

👍

[stray fog]

Another similarity to add to the long list

[lone folio]

I have been saying this for the longest time but butterfly hb is real

They don't believe me but I know

[stray fog]

Relatable

[rain gate]

wait and trobbio's a butterfly

what are the implications of this

[lean temple]

And Marissa

No relation

[lone folio]

No relation to lifeblood hb

[rain gate]

i was half joking

[sterile jacinth]

Why does Marissa have hair

[rain gate]

slugs are all over too

and unn's a hb

[lone folio]

Unless lifeblood hb made butterflies and then went on some villian arc

[sterile jacinth]

And then we need trobbios help to stop them :O /silly

[whole holly]

i mean so are Green (Unn) and Red(Nightmare Heart) only oppsing thing is that one is heart, scarlet flame related other is plant, foliage related

[stray fog]

When I first talked about it in this channel, people didn't fw it, but now everyone believes it 💔

/j

[lone folio]

Oh hell yeah

[sterile jacinth]

I would love to talk to that depressed theater kid again

[lone folio]

I will someday figure out what the fuck those vault robots are

[whole holly]

they mostly seem to make plants but there is no reason why they can't make both, unn did similar thing

[stray fog]

The complimentary colour thing is valid for lifeblood and the radiance because there are already so many similarities

Its not used for unn and the troupe because there's no other similarities to support the theory

[sterile jacinth]

He’s the only boss you fight twice who lives both times besides Hornet from the original hollow knight and lace

[sterile jacinth]

?

[whole holly]

yeah, i was trying to make that point actually complimentary colour thing may not be reliable

[stray fog]

Mantis lords

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t know if godhome counts

[rain gate]

and i saw a thing pointing out that trobbio's fight sequence mimics how you die in hk
start normal, die once, come back darker, when you die then you explode into a bunch of particles

[stray fog]

Grimm too

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think dream fights count either

[rain gate]

yeah if dream fights counted thered be a few more

[stray fog]

#hk-lore message

Shameless repost of my theory (headcanon)

[lone folio]

The trobbio stage bots

[rain gate]

hmmmmmm that does kind of make sense actually

[sterile jacinth]

What are you talking about

[whole holly]

hornet was likely not fighting to death, which would be valid explanation of why we fight trobbio two times, same with pinstress and shakra but we fight them one time, as for why knight fight hornet two times is that hornet can evade/flee when injured too much, so can lace in silksong

[sterile jacinth]

I wish we could find a way under the stage to find trobbio post fight and scare the shit out of him

[stray fog]

Shout out to bosses that run away when almost dead

The Only smart bosses

[whole holly]

yeah

[lone folio]

The uhh

[sterile jacinth]

They’re also typically like main characters

[rain gate]

i had a theory a while back about Roots being inherently parasitic to Higher Beings/Wyrms, so if PK was 'touched pale' like that, then White Lady could have inherited that paleness as she was hitching a ride on PK's wyrm body

[lone folio]

Dis

[sterile jacinth]

She did have half of his soul

[swift needle]

look like cogflys

[rain gate]

i think its just the guys from the vaults

[charred radish]

what version of silksong did you get that allowed you to fight trobbio three times???

[sterile jacinth]

Probably just originally what preformed onstage before trobbio took over

[stray fog]

[swift needle]

maybe greyroot is a lesser version of the ewhite lady

[whole holly]

it was obvious mistake

[rain gate]

these guys

[swift needle]

and the white lady wasnt originally pale

[sterile jacinth]

Where did you get that

[swift needle]

grey root

[sterile jacinth]

That’s speculation

[swift needle]

ya

[rain gate]

WL is special somehow though

from Godseeker

[swift needle]

i mean the fact that both need higher beings to reproduce is pretty coincidental and the fact that the white lady still hs the urge to breed

[sinful nimbus]

White Lady and Greyroot are probably different species as they reproduce in different ways

[stray fog]

Its weird how the white lady just appeared one day with the pale king or something

[sterile jacinth]

They’re looking for gods and she is a god

[sinful nimbus]

Greyroot is a parasite that rebirths itself White Lady reproduces the old fashioned way

[whole holly]

i theorized that too, cursed ending would suggest it to be possible, interestingly enough white lady is total opposite of that as she seems to grow that

[rain gate]

"the chance of meeting is too rare"
shes not just a regular ass god

[sterile jacinth]

By godseeker standards you’re right

Massive moss charger is a god to them

[frosty gate]

What are we talking about, Vaultkeepers

[stray fog]

White lady + Grey root

[swift needle]

the whole pantheoens are made of people they found powerful and named them gods the only god they had where the gods of thunder and rain and hte radiance

the white lady is another god they seek

[sterile jacinth]

Going face to face with an actual God must be an experience

[frosty gate]

Wydm +

Isn't it vs

[stray fog]

The potential connection between them

[frosty gate]

Oh ok

[swift needle]

grey root maybe the the form the white lady had before communing with the pale king

[sterile jacinth]

I doubt it

[whole holly]

we know that some phenomenon such as ascension can change reproduction and everything about bug, since weavers were ascended from Pharlids, it is likely rebirthed Greyroot from cursed ending in inherently different compared to regular greyroot as absorbing entire god can change species , it is viable that they could be more like white lady

[sinful nimbus]

This is comparing apples to oranges though

[whole holly]

plus Hornet changes Physique when binding GMS

[swift needle]

both are fruits

[stray fog]

Someone showed that there were grey-ish plant roots in the ancient basin, which is near the place where the white lady had kids

[sinful nimbus]

Pharlids just had their reproductive anatomy messed up it seems

They still copulate

There's no reason to think Greyroot would stop rebirthing itself

[swift needle]

ya the weavers found it painful to reproduce

literally

[sterile jacinth]

I also think that was gms messing with them so they wouldn’t pay attention to anyone but her

[frosty gate]

White Lady is a weird God
The others kinda have something to their name, White Lady kinda just exists as an extention of PK

[sterile jacinth]

We don’t have a very large pool of gods to compare to

[frosty gate]

Not really, but in that small pool she's the odd one out

[sterile jacinth]

Also important to note she’s nerfed herself by the time we meet her

[swift needle]

also in the twisted child ending i think that the screeching sounds could be coming fro something which looks simlar to the white lday as that was greyroots main goal to infect and reproduce with a higher being

[whole holly]

you mean other than circumstances of rebirth

[sterile jacinth]

So we don’t know what powers she might have had

[swift needle]

also the parasite could be driving hornet to fight gms

i am absolutely onto nothing

[frosty gate]

Grimm has the Troupe, Radiance had the Moths, PK had a whole Kingdom, Unn had the mosskin, GMS had the Weavers

Which fucker am i missing?

[whole holly]

both Greyroot and White Lady are both roots, they are in same category, neither of them are Gods

[stray fog]

Shade lord

Weaver queen

[swift needle]

um um NUU!

[whole holly]

they have siblings i guess

[sterile jacinth]

White lady is a higher being

[stray fog]

They have themselves 🔥

[swift needle]

guys am i js crazy or do nuu and unn look alike

[frosty gate]

Point is, WL's followers are just PK's followers

[swift needle]

nuu could be a adolescent higher being

[sterile jacinth]

People theorize she’s a young hb

[rain gate]

both are slugs and names are similar

[whole holly]

is Salubra slug too?

[sterile jacinth]

Nah

[stray fog]

She doesn't have legs

[whole holly]

what about Sylphean Slug aren't they also slug

[swift needle]

special bug

which produces the oil

[frosty gate]

That's certainly a theory

[whole holly]

neither does Unn it seems

[frosty gate]

A theory of all time

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah lmao

[rain gate]

if anything...

[stray fog]

We never see unn's full body, right?

[frosty gate]

Who said that one? Chiefo?

[sterile jacinth]

Salubra seems more like a maggot or smth. We don’t really know what she is

[swift needle]

maybe nuu needs to "taste" the beings we have killed and needs them to grow?

[sterile jacinth]

I forgot lmao. I do remember they said it was a stretch

[swift needle]

nah she looks more like a mosquito

[rain gate]

also unrealted but

silkeaters
are always found around large amounts of silk

[stray fog]

That's one goofy ass higher being

[rain gate]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[swift needle]

nuu and unn do seem alike

[sterile jacinth]

Didn’t eat fast enough 😔

[swift needle]

big back silkseaters

[whole holly]

Salubra is slug according to wiki(before saying wiki is false or not a source double check it before it) https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Charm_Lover_Salubra

[sinful nimbus]

What do you mean

[sterile jacinth]

They might be scavengers who were eating the dead bugs

[swift needle]

she isnt a higher being

[sinful nimbus]

Its not like any other rebirth changed how her reproduction would work

She doesn't change it like that

[whole holly]

when did i say she was, just a slug, that's it

[stray fog]

@visual glacier why

[frosty gate]

That claim has no source

[swift needle]

you did say smthing about her being realted to unn and nnuu

[sinful nimbus]

She's called a slug by the artbook

[stray fog]

Oh

[swift needle]

was the artbook made by team strawberry?

[frosty gate]

That should be edited in as a source

[swift needle]

team mango

[sinful nimbus]

They helped write it so its presumably canon

[rain gate]

word of god is secondary to in-game canon

[sinful nimbus]

As in they made corrections n such

[whole holly]

well, first source markers i see is in third one, first one at bottom of page points to wanderers journal, does anyone have wanderer's journal? or information from it about salubra?

[stray fog]

That source is for her gender

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think hollow knight put as much thought into the species of the characters lol

[sinful nimbus]

I have WJ

[swift needle]

Sylph" is possibly a blend of from Latin sylvestris and nympha,[3] sylvestris being a common synonym for sylph in Paracelsus. Anthony Trollope note a similar usage in the Aeneid, where silvestris is taken as an elliptical form of nympha silvestris[4] ("forest nymph"). Jacob Grimm uses this phrase as a gloss for the Anglo-Saxon wudu-mær (roughly equivalent to "woodmare"), which he also takes as a metaphorical name for an echo.[5] Jan Baptist van Helmont, a near contemporary of Paracelsus and coiner of the word "gas", uses sylvestris in the sense of "wild" found this in wikipedia because i wanted to do some research on the sylphean slug

[whole holly]

when, i never did that, i just said she is slug, along with Sylphean Slug

[swift needle]

sylphean could be a special bug found in lush areas maybee??? im stretching

[whole holly]

i can't verify that unless i know for sure or see it for myself sorry

[stray fog]

The "[1]" is written next to her gender in the wiki