sk-lore

[silk dirge]

that the theme switches

i personally dont mind it too much

[inner torrent]

I think the game plays two important things.
1 Faith and religion.
2. motherhood

[silk dirge]

but the first sinner final boss idea is cool

[inner torrent]

1. Goes more for the first part of the game while 2. Is more for the end

[silk dirge]

i think the main act 1 and 2 theme is cycles of oppression

which yeah works well with faith and religion

[midnight zinc]

How? It’s simply the third act of the story, so themes that are set up earlier in the narrative just take center stage, I’d hardly say the themes of the game change

Also there’s a difference between a theme and a message, a theme doesn’t have to be a singular point, just a reoccurring idea or image

[silk dirge]

i mean it can make it feel disconnected a bit

its up to the person but yeah the disconnect is definitely noticeable

[deft compass]

Weird theory to put out but uh…y’all think Pale King taught hornet to tinker and work with machines?

[midnight zinc]

I wouldn’t be surprised, we know he had a workshop and built complex tools like the moulds himself, it’s possible he designed his own palace

[deft compass]

So theoretically

If this were true

Sawblade dlc tool?

[midnight zinc]

There’s already a saw blade tool

[deft compass]

Nah nah

I mean

THE

Sawblade

Straight outta white palace

[midnight zinc]

That seems redundant

But I have considered that dlc will center more her relationship with the pale king, since the main game focuses on motherhood in general and the three women that helped raise her

[silk dirge]

yes

cogwork wheel shop description

hornet suggested the sawblade to twelth architect

[midnight zinc]

It would serve to explore her Wyrm nature more thoroughly, since her being a weaver is far more significant to the base game. But her pale nature is referenced by a number of characters as very significant and there’s some dialogue where she talks about how it defines her, which I think is meant to point to where her character will be explored next

[silk dirge]

"You have affinity for such radial blades? I can b-build upon the idea-knowledge. Make them retract. Make them force-store."

[craggy smelt]

I think that would be pretty neat

I want the steel DLC to focus on Hornet's Void Crimes, but it'd be cool if the steel guys are also angry about what Pale King did with the Void

[midnight zinc]

We are so locked in, that’s what I want to see too

[craggy smelt]

the story could explore Hornet's similarities to her father and her resentment of him

[midnight zinc]

Yeah there’s a lot of opportunity for character work there, along with just giving us greater insight into wyrms, the steel clan, and maybe how Hornet and PK actually interacted. It’s a little crazy to me we still don’t have a solid idea of how much he was involved in her childhood, or what their dynamic was like whenever they interacted

[solemn hinge]

I kinda want that to be done thru a boss fight with Weaver Queen Hornet ngl

[stray fog]

How would they make it co-exist with act 3

[solemn hinge]

Dreams

Probably at the top of the pantheon or whatever

Pantheon adjacent thing, I mean

[stray fog]

Could be

[stray fog]

The masters would probably have something to say about the formation of the literal god of gods

[silk dirge]

red memory

wait this idea cooks

red memory has herrah telling hornet to be herself and make her own path

and you could have a weaver queen hornet boss fight as a rejection of what weavers want of her

[solemn hinge]

Well, that and her desire to conquer that is attributed to Pale King

[silk dirge]

i think it could be reasonably added on that the cindril weavers ran away from pharloom in hopes one day they could have a child who would return and enact weaver queen

its not explicitly said thats what they wanted but i feel like that is a reasonable addition to them

[stray fog]

Yes

[lethal burrow]

new people in this channel yay

[vestal juniper]

looking for some feedback here: why do people think SK takes place far in the future after the original HK? from my experience, the game never particularly. implied the length of time between the two, other than confirming sk takes place post hk

[lean temple]

There are certain things like the Hive being long dead for example, and Hornet having lived "lifetimes uncounted"

Neither games specify any units of time

[vestal juniper]

she certainly couldve lived 'lifetimes uncounted' before/during hk, too. and where is the hive mentioned to be long dead? not doubting just dont rember

[lean temple]

When she's sharpening her Needle

Hornet: The blade was a gift, given by a noble tribe of my homeland. They forged the strongest steel, though it was rarely seen beyond their hive.
Hornet: That tribe has now long passed, and with them the secrets to their craft.

[vestal juniper]

ah. thats fair. to play devil's advocate, hornet couldve considered the infection to be the tribe's passing, but i'm taking a really broad reading for that interpretation to work lmfao

[lean temple]

The pinmaster replies with "if they are gone" which means she likely means death

Ofc he wouldn't mean the Infection bcz he doesn't know about it

[vestal juniper]

ahh

that certainly makes sense then, thank you!

i probably got this dialogue but forgot it lmfao

[robust wagon]

Forgot about this part lmao

[ember river]

Getting infected by the radiance is death most of the time

Plus Vespa's dead anyways

[copper fiber]

how old is phantom physically
do they look old because they weren’t spun “pure” like lace

[pale narwhal]

doesn't she say that her desire to conquer comes from both her wyrm and weaver heritage at the same time

[whole holly]

Weaver and Wyrm heritage gives Hornet similar desires to conquer, rule and so on

[half zenith]

I love that Hornet is so cool and unstoppable from Knight POV, but she’s such a dork when we play as her

Tis a shame that out of all the bugs shippable with her, none of them are fluffy (except maybe Lace who is soft)

So Lace probably feels like a living pillow right. Do you think that when they cuddle, Hornet squishes her like a stuffed animal in her sleep

[frigid belfry]

sounds more like fanon than canon

[wintry plinth]

While it could be a stretch i still believe that hornet simply could've meant the infection. I mean, "with them the secrets to their craft" still applies to the infected but not died-out hive, doesn't it

[lean temple]

The Infection is over. The Radiance is dead

[frigid belfry]

was the hive infected during hk?

if so then they would be dead after the ending, the infection (mostly) reanimated already dead bugs

hornet describing them as long dead could also mean infected

once youve been infected you are dead

[lethal burrow]

eh, I would say if it hasn't gotten to the point where it makes growths and basically boils your insides you probably just stop being infected after it was gone

like the pustule infected versus just myla or something

[lean temple]

It was

[lean temple]

They cannot be infected in Silksong. The Radiance is DEAD

[stray fog]

The point is that the duration of their infection could be included in the time for which they were "long dead"

[lean temple]

They make no mention of the Infection

[lethal burrow]

it COULD be but its more fair to say its unlikely

[lean temple]

It's followed up by "if they are gone" so long passed more likely refers to death.

[stray fog]

Yeah I was just explaining @frigid belfry 's point, but I'm on the side of them being dead

[lean temple]

Thank you for clarifying the bit on the infection anyway.

[stray fog]

#hk-lore message

[frosty gate]

What's the topic?

[stray fog]

Thr only explanation I can think of is that the living shaman was unaware

[lethal burrow]

bees and trees

[stray fog]

And that's not really a good explanation

So does anyone have any ideas

[frosty gate]

Ah yes the Fayforns and the Bees

[lean temple]

Yea it seems a retcon is just the only answer that makes sense

[lethal burrow]

what's the retcon?

[lean temple]

There's so much contradiction and incoherence between skong shamans and mound shaman

[frosty gate]

I've said it a hundred times that guy is not good info

[lethal burrow]

oh well yeah they aren't the same

[stray fog]

The shaman in hk says that he doesn't know much about void

The shamans in ss say that shamans like void

[lean temple]

He says "my KIND" like not even "my family" or smthg, bruh

[frosty gate]

People who get out of their house vs "Bound to their mound" dumbass

[frigid belfry]

very possible hk shaman was lying

[stray fog]

Why though

[lethal burrow]

whaaat? him? a LIER?

[lean temple]

He's a bit of a trickster ig but what use would he have to lie

[frosty gate]

No, Mound Shaman says he doesn't know void

[stray fog]

That's even worse

[frosty gate]

The others just do

My explanation is one is young and the others aren't

[frigid belfry]

why would he tell the truth?

[frosty gate]

Why would he not? We ARE void

[lean temple]

Well when you're faced with a Void being the hell are you gonna hide?

[frigid belfry]

balright

[lean temple]

Exactly

[lethal burrow]

"ohhoho" - the trustworthy fellow

[frigid belfry]

in delicate flower field

[frosty gate]

Mound Shaman is just unaware

He doesn't know his family is dead

[stray fog]

Man I wish there was some way to kill the baldur blocking greenpath

The trustworthy shaman:

[lean temple]

Like the Knight becomes Lord of Shades too. Don't tell me someone who knows Void won't comment on that

[frosty gate]

And if you compare it to his family, who are all adults iirc, he looks way smaller

[lethal burrow]

maybe that's a good reason to lie? The void hasn't exactly been kind to people who've used it for their own ends as far as hallownest is concerned

[lean temple]

Caretaker is a small guy

[stray fog]

The caretaker is also smaller, but he isn't young afaik

[lean temple]

Ig Bell Hermit would be the oldest since he's an uncle

[lethal burrow]

I do much like the running gag that all the snails shamans are related

[frosty gate]

Void didn't do anything to nobody

Except Love Tower dude

But like

That was very specific

[lean temple]

The Knight is made of Void

[frosty gate]

True, idk why

[lethal burrow]

I can't believe we're still doing this, but it's inevitable. We're gonna talk about it now.

[stray fog]

If the shamans are fixated on the void, would they be scared of it?

[lethal burrow]

...correct? That was not in question.

[lean temple]

How are you gonna hide info about Void from a Void being?

[lethal burrow]

fear and caution are hardly the same

[lean temple]

And you said because Void was dangerous, the Knight is MADE of it

[lethal burrow]

but pretending you don't know anything about it demonstratively

[lethal burrow]

I said it KILLED THE PALE KING

IT KILLED HIM

(ok goodbye)

[frosty gate]

Mound Shaman doesn't even have an interaction for shade cloak or void heart

[stray fog]

Would the shaman know about allat

[frosty gate]

I mean, it seems to be the case even if not fully explicit, but there's no way Shaman knows that

[lean temple]

That's a topic of debate. Even taken as fact the Knight has seen it, and was spawned from PK's meddling with void

And TK becomes the Lord of Shades

Why keep up the lie

[lethal burrow]

idk maybe.
they seem to be knowers of things.

Either way either mound shaman or caretaker are full of it when they talk about their family and their relation to the void so take your pick

[lean temple]

Silksong Shamans are self coherent

[frosty gate]

The dude doesn't even know his family is dead

He would know the King died of VOID????

[stray fog]

Ill just stick with the mound guy being stupid for now

[lethal burrow]

He has been bound to the mound for a while apparently

[frosty gate]

Agree, I just think he doesn't know much info as we first assumed

[lethal burrow]

I wonder what happens when he gets to the edge of his place? Is there an invisible wall or does he just die if he goes outside of it?

[lean temple]

You're contradicting yourself. How would he know about PK then?

[lethal burrow]

I thought it was clear I conceited that point earlier

[stray fog]

He took an oath or something (this is not a fact, I have no evidence)

[lean temple]

My bad

[lethal burrow]

more of a vow, maybe

an oath is more of a legal thing

[lean temple]

Skong Shamans know the Void, know its power against Pale Beings, and even know its weakness to the mythical Everbloom, and yet mound shaman doesn't know anything.

[lethal burrow]

I wonder how long he's even been at the crossroads, I doubt he was cooped up there when the place was still a trade route

[lean temple]

It seems he was isolated

Looks like a collapse is what exposed his mound

With Hallownest shunning his kind it makes sense he'd hide

[lethal burrow]

hmm, speaking of which is there any reason he never gets infected particularly?

[stray fog]

They shunned the shamans?

[lean temple]

Too powerful probably

[lean temple]

"Shunned power... spiral focus" iirc

[frosty gate]

That's one guy

[lethal burrow]

yeah, but what's so special about his power compared to all the others

they seems much the same

[frosty gate]

Which one was it? The dead one?

Sorry they're all dead

The coffin one

[stray fog]

This dialogue is interesting...

Spiral focus?

[lean temple]

Here's the full lines

...Soul attuned...
...Spiral focus...
...Shunned Power...

Ancestral Mound whispering root

This is just general for all Shamans

[frosty gate]

Well their power is shunned but

The shamans don't seem to be shunned??

They are at work

With

Whatever they do

[lean temple]

Wonder why they keep hidden and isolated so much /sarcasm

[lean temple]

They steal soul from other bugs

[frosty gate]

To work in their shit I guess

[lethal burrow]

steel soul?

[frosty gate]

Wait can't remember where you get that from

[lean temple]

[lean temple]

Silksong Shamans

[lethal burrow]

they could have gotten permission you don't know.

Look at you, accusing them of thievery

tch

[lean temple]

How dare i

[stray fog]

This reminds me

If the steel masters supervise void usage or something (as people theorize), why didn't they care about all the stuff that the pale king did?

Iirc, jiji / jinn acknowledges that the knight is a vessel, but they never indicated that their masters did anything

[lean temple]

If anything the Masters are impressed

They reinforce Void supervision within the Steel Faction

But outside of it, it's unclear

[lethal burrow]

This brings up a point I haven't thought of... was the void used by the pale king before the radiance came back? Because you have the kingsmolds....

[lean temple]

Likely

[frosty gate]

Ok found where you get the info

The Soul Eater

So

You mean the one called forgotten that is found in a tomb

[stray fog]

He built the white palace in the ancient basin. So unless he moved his entire palace closer to the abyss after the infection started, he might have been interested in the void earlier too

[lethal burrow]

"oh what's this weird wonder fluid?"
(like 4 mouths later)
"OH SHIT MOTH GOD UH LETS HOPE THIS STUFF REALLY WORKS"

[lean temple]

He mightve already sorta instinctively known what it is

[stray fog]

My headcanon is that he read the arcane eggs to find out

[lean temple]

Wait so

The one in silksong talks about no will no self

Could he have read a similar one and concluded the whole no will to break stuff from there?

[stray fog]

Could be

But why don't we see such a tablet in hk

[midnight zinc]

Yes

[lethal burrow]

The pale king saw a canvas left blank for many ages of the world and wrongly assumed it was a trait of the canvas that it could not be painted as opposed to a trait of the painters that they wished to see it blank

[stray fog]

Fire writing

[frosty gate]

I think he just got to that conclusion based on what he needed

[lean temple]

That's actually Fire wth

[midnight zinc]

I mean in Silksong it’s in an Arcane egg, and there’s no living bugs in Hallownest that can read them

[lethal burrow]

he got the wrong idea because he didn't have to full picture (and was desperate as hell)

[frosty gate]

Not understanding that he was very wrong to make that assumption

[lethal burrow]

I imagine he understood eventually...

[frosty gate]

Ancient Civ wanted it to be blank

But Void could be a lot more

[frosty gate]

In a manner of speakin

[midnight zinc]

PK dying on his throne: “I understand it now”

[stray fog]

That's why he fled to the dream realm

He realized he had messed up

[lethal burrow]

yup

[frosty gate]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-i-get-it-gif-27501363

[lean temple]

"Man, I was really damn stupid" -PK, probably

[midnight zinc]

I always forget, who says the quote that something like “the king sacrificed so much to save his falling kingdom, all for nothing”?

[lean temple]

Sadly his last lines were no cost too great so we don't know if he did come to that conclusion

[frosty gate]

You know, with the passage of time i've been thinking

[midnight zinc]

I don’t think those were his last words that he actually spoke

[frosty gate]

I think that mantra is just a way to keep himself from feeling guilty

[lean temple]

THK hunter's notes

[frosty gate]

I don't think he really believe those words

[midnight zinc]

What entry

Oh I’m dumb nvm

[lethal burrow]

hollow knight's

[lean temple]

THK?

[frosty gate]

It's just a way to try and justify what's he's doing

[lean temple]

The old King of Hallownest... he must have been desperate to save his crumbling little world. The sacrifices he imposed on others... all for nothing.

[midnight zinc]

Thank you king

[lethal burrow]

to be fair, the case could be made that if what he was trying to do actually succeeded he could've been somewhat justified sort of.

But he didn't work at the end anyway so

Just extra suffering

[lean temple]

The ends justify the means- oh wait the end was shit

Oops

Reversed it

[midnight zinc]

Kill millions to save millions

[stray fog]

Yeah I think it still wouldn't be justified

Both numbers are probably lower though

[midnight zinc]

Yeah maybe if the circumstances of your kingdom’s founding led to said kingdom crumbling and everyone dying maybe your kingdom shouldn’t exist

[lean temple]

Eh?

The Moths left on their own accord, and Radiance is vindictive and cruel

[lethal burrow]

The pale king did some bad things, but he was also like just completely screwed over by happenstance.... like it was just rotten luck, he did the best he could with what he had had and knew, even if "the best" wasn't so good

[lean temple]

They're the ones in the wrong

[frosty gate]

Radiance is a bitch yeah

[stray fog]

The kingdom could have existed. Its the moths forgetting the radiance that caused this

[midnight zinc]

Yeah and?

[stray fog]

The kingdoms founding wasn't what led to its demise

[midnight zinc]

I mean it kinda was, the pale kings beacon drew the moths away from the radiance

[lethal burrow]

the pale king didn't do shit to the radiance at first, it's not his fault the moths chose him and abandoned their other God

[frosty gate]

The Moths left willingly

You can choose to not go

[midnight zinc]

Correct

[lethal burrow]

This whole thing could've been solved if that moths weren't monotheistic

just sayin

[lean temple]

Would Radiance have even accepted a polytheism?

[frosty gate]

I don't think you are allowed to be Polytheistic in this world

[lean temple]

We don't know that

[lethal burrow]

good seekers:

[frosty gate]

You either like me or you don't

[lean temple]

And yea it seems most Higher Beings don't allow polytheism

[lethal burrow]

Her whole thing was not wanting to be forgotten so who knows

[frosty gate]

Godseekers are fucking morons

[midnight zinc]

Well the pale king does since he married one and made her queen

[lethal burrow]

Yeah, but before they got desperate, they did worship some sort of pantheon

also The Weavers were worshipped as a pantheon, even if it was bullshit, as far as the bugs knew it as legit

[lean temple]

He is more tame compared to GMS or Radiance

[frosty gate]

If you worship A Pantheon you are not polytheistic

[midnight zinc]

The radiance was pretty tame at first tbh

[lean temple]

??

[midnight zinc]

GMS is just a bitch

[lethal burrow]

aren't you though? If the pantheon has multiple gods, then you are.?

[midnight zinc]

Autocorrect trying to change that to butch is sabotaging me

[lean temple]

"Polytheism: the belief in or worship of more than one god"

[frosty gate]

I fucking hate english

[lethal burrow]

what's confusing in this instance poly means multiple mono means one

[frosty gate]

I thought it meant like a full religion

Not a God perse

[stray fog]

Multiple religions?

[frosty gate]

If the Gods are all together in a Pantheon, is it really a different religion?

[lean temple]

Poly =many
Theos= god

[lean temple]

It's one religion with many gods, ie a polytheistic religion

[frosty gate]

Yeah yeah, i see that now

[lean temple]

But in the moths case they would've ALSO been two different religions I think

[unique canopy]

So in this case it's actually ancient Greek you fucking hate

[frosty gate]

The Greek are cool

English isn't

Unless spoken by a scottish person

Then it's drunk cool

[midnight zinc]

English is an awesome language and I’m tired of pretending it’s not

[stray fog]

If only it was phonetic

[frosty gate]

You mean between Rad and PK? Yeah, but then again, I don't think you are allowed to do that, Godseekers seem to be a special case.
And tbf with Radiance, if the tribe YOU put together goes away to worship another dude, you'd be pissed too

[midnight zinc]

Then it’d be like a bunch of other boring languages, nah the shittiness makes it unique

[lean temple]

Would like to see this mix of Pale Kingism and Radianceism

[midnight zinc]

Though through trough are all pronounced differently mf, get used to it

[frosty gate]

It's a fuckall language with barely any rules thats too flexible for their own good, i feel like there's a new word every day

[midnight zinc]

Exactly

[frosty gate]

In all reality, english its cool, Americans made it boring because they speak boring

[midnight zinc]

How

[frosty gate]

I love the Brits and the Irish and the Scottish

And the Aussies

[midnight zinc]

Damn near every state has a different accent

[frosty gate]

I LOVE FUNNY ACCENTS

[lethal burrow]

they pronounced sorry with an "a "it's weird

[frosty gate]

Southeners get a pass

[lethal burrow]

what about Canada and New Zealand?

[midnight zinc]

I’ve lived here my whole life and never heard someone do this

[frosty gate]

I like the cowboy speech

[lethal burrow]

you never heard "sarry"

[frosty gate]

I don't know much about their accents

[midnight zinc]

Also most American accents are just European accents, one of many cases where European colonizers imported something to a place then made fun of it later once they were kicked out

[frosty gate]

And most of them sound snobby

[unique canopy]

Map of Hallownest shortly after the Kingdom of the White Wyrm was founded

[stray fog]

3. The

6. The

[midnight zinc]

Like the “US” customary system being used instead of metric, mfs you gave us that and then switched over

[frosty gate]

Because metric is better

[midnight zinc]

No lol

[lethal burrow]

thoughts on these ruins?

(they're also in wisp but I couldn't fit it)

[midnight zinc]

It is, but I’m not tryna hear any English or French people say that, they invented customary lol

[stray fog]

Powers of 10 are much more convenient than imperial measurements

[pale narwhal]

which english

(this map in not comprehensive, some dialects are missing)

[midnight zinc]

Also the English are now just copying AAVE so Americans actually do have the best version of English currently

[frosty gate]

If I could pick my accent I would love to speak Scottish

The wales one is good too, they speak soft

[pale narwhal]

Scotland and Wales born have very varied accents within themselves

[pale narwhal]

i promise we're not

[midnight zinc]

Holy shit English person jumpscare

😧

[lethal burrow]

promise?

https://tenor.com/view/radahn-alejandroradahn-gif-13859476211747634779

[pale narwhal]

british lgbt adopt language from American lgbt which sometimes starts as aave
but aside from that brits aren't sdopting aave
we still refer to "couch" as an Americanism

[lethal burrow]

thank god the mods are asleep we are SO off topic

[frosty gate]

Without Metal this chat is unmodded

No one checks on us

Lawless land

[midnight zinc]

Queer slang is 95% AAVE but that’s not a brit exclusive thing

And to be fair to all the gays, straight people do that shit too

[frosty gate]

AAVE isn't even that fun a dialect

[lethal burrow]

AAVA is better

[midnight zinc]

Cope

[frosty gate]

No disrespect at all, I just don't think its fun

Can we

Go back on topic

[midnight zinc]

What topic

Oh yeah silksong

[stray fog]

Anyway
Weavers, am I right?

[stuck nymph]

I just heared of a cool detail
Moss mothers first fight only starts if you break one egg
Her journal description says she will do anything to protect her young

This is a tutorial boss that foreshadows a huge theme in the game

Examples
Broodmother giving sins onto the next generation (mother of all slab beings)

Sister splinter, nyleth, mother of the wood and flower species and nyleth also of whole shellwood

Skarrsinger karmelita, self explenatory

Bellbeast as mother teaching bravery to their young

We also see hornets 3 mother figures in red memory

At the end Hornet can be viewed as lace's mother figure

Gms, mother of lace, phantom and other weavers

Than there are some other relations, crawfather as father, cogwork and clover dancers and great conchflies

This is partially a comment on gamedesign, kinda lore

[frosty gate]

Wait you can skip that fight?

[silk dirge]

i dont think so

you are forced to break an egg or smth

[stuck nymph]

Well, you can wait hours before breaking an egg but that wont open the door

[silk dirge]

i wonder if this cut lore tablet was possibly meant to be sherma's parents

[frosty gate]

That would be sad

Because we for sure would kill them

[pseudo raptor]

I figured it’s tied to the weaver effigy’s prayer for healing we have now

[vestal juniper]

not a lacenet shipper but tbf, for a creature born entirely of silk, i would imagine lace is quite soft

[stray fog]

Silk isn't soft

[obsidian gale]

Its..silky

[stray fog]

Not the fabric kind atleast

Idk about spider silk

[halcyon merlin]

why doesn't hornet just use her silk in the slab after losing her clothes

does she just like being naked

[stray fog]

Its more about her stuff than her clothes

The shamans were fine being naked

And hornet was fine undressing in front of the pinstress

So being naked isn't a big deal for bugs

[stuck nymph]

Looks like weavers tho

Nvm

I misread it

As a call to the child instead of the parents

This suddenly turned really sad

I feel it might also kinda make shermas positivity a bit unplaced

Maybe therefore scrapped

[silk dirge]

yeah

what types of pilgrims would shermas parents be

im betting this is shermas mom

and this is shermas dad

im basing it off of cuteness since these 2 are like the cutest pilgrim enemies

i love cat ear pilgrim

[unique canopy]

The two that Last Judge murders when you activate the door for the first time, tragically with their son resting only a short distance away

[snow sonnet]

Sherma wasn't born, a ray of light appeared and then came in Sherma in all his glory

[silk dirge]

the second coming of sherma

[silk dirge]

i feel so bad for those pilgrims they probably were fine and then a kill on sight weaver had to appear

like lj probably wasnt even aiming for those pilgrims she just wanted to get hornet

[unique canopy]

TC had an interview with Schreier, if anyone hasn't read that yet

[silk dirge]

the pre release one?

i think everyone read that

[unique canopy]

Nah it was posted just today

[silk dirge]

link

[unique canopy]

https://archive.ph/iJXno

[silk dirge]

ok theres good stuff in here

[unique canopy]

They're pretty cagey on lore-related topics, but there's a few points that popped up:

• Coral Gorge just ended up becoming Blasted Steps and Sands of Karak for narrative reasons (we figured that out already), will probably not be seen in a future DLC
• Sharpe and "all of [their] obligations" will be included eventually
• Mr. Mushroom is just an observer, nothing more
• Bell benches and bellshrines were originally going to tie into each other with some kind of resource mechanic for "awakening" each zone, but that was cut as unneeded complexity.

[inner torrent]

You are the hollow knight

[unique canopy]

Less lore related, but crests were originally supposed to unlock slots by simply using their unique abilities instead of finding memory lockets, but that was cut because they didn't want players grinding them right away

[inner torrent]

Technically, you can pass the game without them dying

[stray fog]

Weaver queen is a neutral ending according to tc

Neither good nor bad

I always thought it was bad

[silk dirge]

all cut backer content is returning which is good to hear

[snow sonnet]

Sharpe having a confirmed return makes me joyous

[whole holly]

hey, where is this from?

[silk dirge]

article scroll up a few messages

ok tbh with coral gorge i agree

even with pharloom in its prime coral gorge wouldn't exist

[stray fog]

The steel dlc will be insane

[silk dirge]

i think maybe they still couldve had it like a pocket or smth that still remains like a shell of its former self

but yeah i agree even in prime pharloom you wouldnt have coral gorge

[whole holly]

thanks

[sinful nimbus]

This article confirms silksong was rushed lets go

I used to pray for times like these

[stray fog]

So "gameplay reasons" is officially the last resort argument

[frosty gate]

What are we talking about?

[stray fog]

New interview

Team cherry

[pale narwhal]

are they talking about styx and huntress

[unique canopy]

Yeah

Article links to their respective wiki pages for clarification

The good wiki, even Jason Schreier hates Fandom

[rough sandal]

Do we know anyone that has made an analysis of the OST?

[stray fog]

We should lowkey make team cherry immortal

[rough sandal]

It's so fire

Every song is so beautiful how tf do they do that

[rough sandal]

Ars longa, vita brevis 🥀

[stray fog]

So the next game won't be in the hollow knight universe?

[silk dirge]

tc about to pull up to irl whiteward

[mild adder]

good

[stray fog]

But there's so much more potential lore here

[mild adder]

sure, but its better to have that view than "this thing has been done to death i am sick of it now"
i will always rather be going "i wish we had more" than "can you stop milking the cow? its already dead."

end off HK with the dlc and do something new i say

[tepid mountain]

Also, if they made another Hollow Knight game, they would follow the same formula and add in a lot more open ended lore, even if they close out some previous lore stuff.

So it would just never end.

[stray fog]

Silksong was a lot less open ended than hk

Lore wise

[tepid mountain]

I don’t think their goal is to totally explain or expand everything.

[mild adder]

i prefer to have few conclusive good things than never ending sludge of the same thing because its popular and the creators are too afraid or too greedy to let go

make new things

[stray fog]

Yeah they said that they like things being subjective and slightly ambiguous, and that they want the community to build up / interpret the lore themselves

[tepid mountain]

It’s funny Mossbag is mentioned, and they just go “yeah, we didn’t even watch the video, we just read the comments.”

[lucid bloom]

Sharpe confirmed… :)

[sinful nimbus]

Kinda a mood though

[tepid mountain]

I’m glad they find the discussion part of it more interesting than just listening to someone tell the lore.

[fathom hill]

Totally

[solemn hinge]

Tbh, idk if id be interested in a non-HK TC game

[violet coral]

bruh is there way to access bloomberg interview without paying

[tepid mountain]

There’s a link higher up in the chat.

[craggy smelt]

hell yeah sharpe
hell yeah

[ashen salmon]

is iron dude from ss steel soul mode related to the iron dude from hk steel souls mode

[lapis creek]

i wouldnt obsess over it in the same way pre release but i would definitely want to play it

[jade terrace]

GUYS I HAVE THE CRAZIEST THEORY ABOUT PINMASTER PLINEY

even tho nobody listening maybe some people will se it

ok so

remember this sign

yeah

and then that same sign is on plineys bellhome

and if you go inside his bellhome

the red outlined items i suspect to be from the citadel

so in conclusion

PINMASTER PLINEY USED TO WORK IN THE CITADEL?

[snow sonnet]

Ye, they're both observers from the strange steel society as TC puts it

[jade terrace]

and that old musty ahh office from the choral chambers was his old office

before he moved after the haunting

[ashen salmon]

probably

[jade terrace]

ive also uncovered some word in the artefacts

that just makes the citadels choir or grand bugs

[snow sonnet]

Makes sense and tracks

[jade terrace]

look even more crueler

[snow sonnet]

Pinstress used to work for the citadel so likel did Pliney to reforge them

[jade terrace]

yeah because she trained second sentinel

i have another theory to share

holdup lemme get the pictures

ok so ahem

in this commandment it says this

but if you look closely at a nearby bone scroll

so these two images

conclude

that

The citadel consideres the underworking j*b "duty most sacred"

to think that the future underworkers are

being "blessed"

[inner torrent]

Uuuuh, I supposed it was just a common sign for pinpolisher stands

[jade terrace]

(with a minimum wage job)

yeah but if you go in that room

you can see racks of pins

that are ALSO

in plineys home

or

i also had a minor theory

[inner torrent]

Do you think choir members were like red husks in city of tears?

[jade terrace]

maybe they could be alike

i wouldve have to look at hollow knight a bit for that

[inner torrent]

Basically, they were super greedy and classicist

[jade terrace]

but that pliney theory either ends up as "Pliney has a sibling or a fellow pinmaster!!!" or "pliney used to work in the cittydel"

[inner torrent]

I'm curious if citadel religious view would change dad or nort

[jade terrace]

i wonder how the city of tears

was well

abandoned

or whatever

[inner torrent]

Blue lake leaks probably had to do with it.
And maybe the crazy soul scholars

[jade terrace]

yeah

you might be right

the crazy soul scholars mightve caused little cracks in the ceiling at COT (city of tears) that eventually grew and grew and nobody had the ability to fix it nor care causing the blue lake to drip drop onto the city

that my theory

i love making theories

[deep latch]

Guys i think i have a lore gap
So when GMS decides to fight you she rips the cocoon that the weavers caged her in
Does that mean she could rip it all along and she was just sleeping?
Or does it mean that she woke up because of getting enough weavers to break out?
OR is it because lace her pure child was killed?

[slow locust]

It's because hornet yelled at her and because no one at the choir was singing the SILKSONG to make her eep

also lace isn't dead like we see her after

she's just knocked out

[unique canopy]

Hornet (who is confidently wrong on multiple things but is also the only person who comments on it) refers to the cocoon as GMS' "protective form" so the cocoon itself isn't what the Weavers caged her in

[short urchin]

Got pissed like radiance

[deep latch]

Who was singing the silksong?
The conductors and the others?

[deep latch]

Maybe she thought she died so GMS wanted revenge

[slow locust]

the CHOIR

[deep latch]

Whos the CHOIR
Which Choir are we talking about

[deep latch]

Hmm

[slow locust]

Choir Pouncer
Choir Hornhead
Choir Bellbearer
Choir Flyer
Choir Elder

Those times a thousands they are the pilgrims that reached the citadel

[slow locust]

She just wants to kill weavers and hornet just yelled at her

[unique canopy]

GMS does keep trying to spin a new cocoon to keep the void out (and failing because it's the void but she's still trying)
So it's more likely that the purpose of the "cage" was simply to keep her asleep, and the cocoon is just what she spins while asleep for protection

[deep latch]

I might be cooked i have no idea who they are
I should watch the mossbag vid (after i get twisted ending)

[slow locust]

They are the pilgrims with white cloaks 😭

[unique canopy]

Those are just the choir enemies in the Citadel that look like pilgrims

[deep latch]

Ohhhh yeah yeah
So why were they singing to incase her?

[slow locust]

Because the citadel told them to

[deep latch]

Arent they haunted?

[slow locust]

like they are just dum dum that do whatever they were told

[slow locust]

before they were haunted

[deep latch]

So do they still sing?

[slow locust]

no

[deep latch]

So she isnt trapped

[slow locust]

that's why she's awake

[slow locust]

not anymore

[deep latch]

Okay thanks mist hashira

Too bad you fought the pot guy
Literally one of the stupidest demons

[slow locust]

and ugly 🥀

[jade terrace]

hey guys

yall know that dude

that hides in the bone bottom bellway

and once you beat bell beast

he gets scared

and dissapears forever?

i found out where he is

hes in heaven

R.I.P

[obsidian gale]

Always wondered if it was him, rip

[jade terrace]

rip the scared friend

[craggy smelt]

yup

that happens a couple of times

finding NPCs scattered about

[lean temple]

So y'all checked out the new TC interview?

[craggy smelt]

did we ever

[lean temple]

Apparently Steel Assassin Sharpe is coming. All is good in the world.

[craggy smelt]

also Village of Lions

(actually, maybe that'll wind up being the next game...)

[lean temple]

I need to read it in full lol

[silk dirge]

full of lions

[lean temple]

I just learned about it

[lean temple]

Antlions?

[craggy smelt]

if it's a new franchise, maybe it'll be actual lions

[lean temple]

Wait it's another game?! What happened to fearless fox?

[craggy smelt]

calm down

I was just joking that Village of Lions might be a new game

it's been so mysterious and absent that I think it would be funny

the interview itself does mention that TC are still interested in doing games in other settings though

[lean temple]

Yea

[silk dirge]

full of lions

team cherrys words not mine

[lean temple]

And they said they were too busy to go to LA for the GOTY nomination. The aura on these guys man

Any other dev team would've flipped out

[tepid mountain]

They don’t even think they’ll win.

They just said “yeah, E33’s taking it.”

[craggy smelt]

they could be right

(I need to play that, I wonder if I could finish it before the awards...)

[vestal juniper]

can u send this

[lean temple]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-28/the-makers-of-hollow-knight-silksong-aren-t-done-just-yet?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc2NDM0NzQzNiwiZXhwIjoxNzY0OTUyMjM2LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUNkczNjFLR0NUSDAwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiJCMUVBQkI5NjQ2QUM0REZFQTJBRkI4MjI1MzgyQTJFQSJ9.nHDv04b3quPAcWKT5nBOeCqr1KCS01wBn_nMscKzzng&leadSource=uverify wall

Them saying Mister Mushroom "might be omnipresent"

[sinful nimbus]

Sharpe confirmed but Silksoul is officially axed...

[lean temple]

Ofc the backer character would be coming

Mister Mushroom

"Doesn't have the aggression to pose as a boss", nothing about not having enough power to do so. Hmm

[craggy smelt]

I remember earlier you promised an equivalent of Steel Soul that’d be a different thing, and then it wound up being the same as Hollow Knight’s version. Is that because you wanted to put your time into new things?
Gibson: There are a bunch of intended base mechanics in Silksong around the benches, the bell shrines and whatnot, that didn’t wind up eventuating. I think the game is better for it but as a result of that, that Silksong mode died with those changes.

wonder if it was related to the un-used ending where you needed to ring bells to weaken GMS

[lean temple]

Well, goodbye silk soul

More steel lore replaced you so I'm not too annoyed by it.

[craggy smelt]

Have you considered a New Game Plus that lets you use all the crests from the beginning?
Gibson: We haven’t discussed anything like that ourselves. It might be slightly the issue that we’re so interested in making more things, it’s hard to look back at what form that would take.
Sounds like they're more interested in new stuff rather than alternate modes of existing stuff

[unique canopy]

Helps that people have just modded most of this stuff in already

[foggy fractal]

oh shit Sharpe confirmed to be coming back, not too much of a suprise but its good they officially said it

[lean temple]

So ig the backer didn't update us cuz of NDA or smthg?

Because he asked them about it but never said anything afaik

[quartz salmon]

And the village full of lions

They're going to be photo real lions

[craggy smelt]

Bad news for people who wanted a coral zone, though

[lean temple]

Interesting they say the Citadel consumed the lands beneath it, not GMS

Oh boy

[quartz salmon]

Sooooo no questions about barnacle bay?

[craggy smelt]

a disgraceful oversight

[quartz salmon]

They asked about the coral gorge and the damn "lion village" but not the bay 😭

[lean temple]

Damn

[quartz salmon]

No poop village crumbs for the people yet I guess

[unique canopy]

Need to figure out who in this channel are their burner accounts

[quartz salmon]

It might be you

[snow sonnet]

Essentially the reason everyone predicted, I think I've made peace with its loss now tho

[mighty swallow]

LACE

[unique canopy]

Nah, I'm not Aussie enough

[quartz salmon]

That's exactly what an undercover team cherry would say

[snow sonnet]

What's more exciting is TC outright saying Sharpe's still in the kitchen

This interviewer is great btw, asked all the right questions

[foggy fractal]

thank god they asked about Sharpe

[snow sonnet]

Hell even asked about the antlion village too

That's some deep shit

Actually a real one

[foggy fractal]

we'll also be getting those two dungeons

[craggy smelt]

what even is a dungeon

is there anything in-game right now that would constitute a dungeon?

I wanna say stuff like Voltnest and Brightvein count, they're just a little light on enemies

[foggy fractal]

original award
Design a Dungeon and Boss! Design a dungeon with its own unique theme, then fill it with enemies and secrets! Work with the team to conceive a look, behaviour, environment and backstory for the Boss + an original watercolour artwork of your boss + an original watercolour artwork of the Hollow Knight + 7 extra copies of the game (10 total) + all rewards for the $75 tier.

[foggy fractal]

Coral Tower and Khann

[snow sonnet]

My guess is an area like Hunter's March?

Felt p dungeon to me at least

[craggy smelt]

the Slab is an actual dungeon

[terse warren]

@sinful nimbus in shambles

[foggy fractal]

For Silksong, backer content is again seamlessly integrated into the main game. Get ready to dance with operatic queens, battle mysterious assassins, scale a soaring warlord’s tower, and that’s just to start! If you’re one of those backers, and haven’t heard from us recently, don’t worry! We’ll be reaching out in the near future as we lock down the remaining pieces.

2019 Blog

of course there isn't a direct confirmation that this is refering to the Coral Tower but c'mon, we also know Khann is a kickstarter boss so everything lines up

[sinful nimbus]

I've known the coral gorge was scrapped for months 😔

No whimsy. Not ever

[foggy fractal]

if the dungeons still contain bosses, we'll be getting another 2 as well as Sharpe eventually

shit is gonna be hype

[terse warren]

well yeah but we didn't have confirmation they didn't plan the dlc

[sinful nimbus]

Did we need it

[terse warren]

life would be better if we had coral gorge

that's just objectively true

[foggy fractal]

can't wait for modders to create it

[sinful nimbus]

This is because Coral Gorge objectively harbored more life than Blasted Steps and Sands of Karak do

[snow sonnet]

And is whyy it got the eventualy rehash

[visual glacier]

So this confirms that styx is related to huntress?

[terse warren]

it says the opposite

[sinful nimbus]

He seems to be pretending to be a male member of Huntress's species

[terse warren]

it says "oh man we didn't do this on purpose uhhhhh yeah sure they're related now"

[lilac hedge]

its immortalized know

nothin you can do about it

[craggy smelt]

I still wish we could've seen a bit more of it in coral tower memory
it was pretty

I guess we still basically got all the enemies that would've been there

[dusk lance]

sk lore is silk and bug ez

[terse warren]

i do think it's kinda silly that the explanation was "it's too joyous and whimsical"

[craggy smelt]

no, I get it

the Citadel is supposed to be this huge blight on the surrounding realms

[twin dragon]

every region almost ties into it yes

[craggy smelt]

a vibrant, healthy coral forest full of fish and dudes right on their front doorstep sort've punctures that image

[twin dragon]

could've been a solid memory..

duh

Also how the fuck do pilgrims go from far fields to greymoor

[craggy smelt]

seamstress doing business selling cloaks

[terse warren]

yeah except TC wrote the story so ambigously that people think it was GMS that destroyed Karak and not the Citadel

so that kinda defeats the point

[sinful nimbus]

Whats hysterical is that there is no explanation for what the Citadel did to the source of the water

[foggy fractal]

gms ate it, duh

[terse warren]

smh andy

gms was sleeping

[craggy smelt]

sipped it up with silk

[sinful nimbus]

And like narratively I get it yeah

[terse warren]

how can she eat it

[sinful nimbus]

Just kinda unfortunate that the lively vibes got shafted

[terse warren]

well yeah

[foggy fractal]

big straw that pierces the silk cocoon she was in

[terse warren]

but just

[sinful nimbus]

And I think I would've preferred a lively world with a reworked story

[terse warren]

hallownest beign fucking dead didn't stop it from being vibrant

meanwhile half of silksong's color palette is grey in different trench coats

[twin dragon]

No like

Hornet smashes through greymoor floor

[tepid mountain]

But Hallownest’s environment wasn’t being ravaged by an industrial force.

[sinful nimbus]

Moss Grotto and Shellwood still just chilling

[twin dragon]

and there's no other way to enter graymoor from far fields

[craggy smelt]

no, I get it. we don't see the route pilgrims take
presumably it's something off-screen/z-axis near Pilgrim's Rest
seems like a significant hub for pilgrims

[timid torrent]

Oh God- maybe it is actual sewage...

And it means the steam is sewage too...

[twin dragon]

most i remember from hk are gray areas and discount greenpath clones

[terse warren]

one major complaint i have is how Silksong's 2 major themes don't really tie into each other in the way they're written

[twin dragon]

they fucking dig through it

idfk

[terse warren]

even the gray was more vibrant than silksong grey

[sinful nimbus]

I mean Greymoor and the Bilelands would've sufficed to show the Citadel's negative effects on the region and coincidentally those are the only regions we get an explanation for their downfall

[twin dragon]

skong has more color variety

And imagine they kept the saturation as bad as it was in the initial trailer

[terse warren]

i do think that the citadel would've had an interest in keeping the coral alive, as it's the last thing you see before entering from its main door, so they'd have been like "look we're so good colors grow around us"

[timid torrent]

Retina burns

[terse warren]

does it

[timid torrent]

Ah, Trobbio...

[sinful nimbus]

OK OK lets not pretend Hollow Knight doesn't look like this 😭

[twin dragon]

I mean it has stuff that's not only gray areas, greenpath clones and crystal peak

so im sure it does

[foggy fractal]

yeah the difference in time shows lmao

[terse warren]

CoT is mostly noticeably blue tbh

[sinful nimbus]

I still think the overall liveliness is better its just not as good as what was advertised

[twin dragon]

lighting keeping deepnest on life support

[twin dragon]

Pilgrim's rest being full of pilgrims would've helped honestly

[foggy fractal]

also the ever elusive alive (maybe not anymore) weaver

[twin dragon]

but it's just

2

max

[foggy fractal]

we should give them a name lowkey

[timid torrent]

Only places in HK that is not pure doom and gloom are the palace, Grimm Troupe, the Godseeker's realm, and greenpath, barely.

Pharloom is way better off

[sinful nimbus]

Pilgrim's Rest this Pilgrim's Rest that GIVE ME BARNACLE BAY ITS LITERALLY IN THE SAME SPOT PROGRESSION WISE 😭

[twin dragon]

tbf barnacle bay seemed to have a single fucking npc in it's town

[foggy fractal]

dude it's coming in the dlc soon chilllllllllllllllll 🥶

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah and Lomm was glorious

[craggy smelt]

just like Dirtmouth

[timid torrent]

There will be no DLC

[twin dragon]

Bring back voided lemm

idgaf

[timid torrent]

:]

[sinful nimbus]

Also Barnacle Bay had like submarine stuff

[craggy smelt]

destroy them

[foggy fractal]

no !

[timid torrent]

WHAT

We lost so much

[sinful nimbus]

Lomm is a submarine pilot surely

[timid torrent]

Was*

[foggy fractal]

acmi maps

[twin dragon]

pilgrims taking the submarine to citadel

sounds too wild

[timid torrent]

Thats a Moloch from Barotrauma.

[craggy smelt]

Lomm piloted submarines in the war
they've had a history

[twin dragon]

and tf was a submarine going to do there anyways

[craggy smelt]

be awesome

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think it was going to be involved with the Citadel

Halfway Home can serve as a place for Pilgrims to stop by or something

[twin dragon]

I guess

it's right after pilgrim's rest

Lomm the bum could've offered shelter

https://youtu.be/c27hXwdtfWw?si=ynV2tEPW2t4UL8GZ

Can someone tell TC

to NOT cut shit that would've made the lore less ambiguous

[foggy fractal]

psh

[timid torrent]

Lol

[sinful nimbus]

...crucifixion?

[timid torrent]

Bro wants straight HK lore

[foggy fractal]

they're pretty clear that they want things to be less clear lmao

[sinful nimbus]

Holy metal

[twin dragon]

GO BACK GO BACK, IT'S TOO OBVIOUS

ALERT ALERT

[timid torrent]

I've been on this for years and I still cant make heads or tails of HK

Matpat's probably right PK Is the Knight or sth

Okay I've gone too far with my baiting.

[snow sonnet]

It's TC, they want things to be more ambigious

[craggy smelt]

varied weaver sprites would've been nice

[snow sonnet]

I recently did a HK replay and I can't lie Silksong clears in the art department

[twin dragon]

we do see there are differences

[foggy fractal]

of course

[timid torrent]

Far as I'm seeing there will be quite a load of post launch content, so we just need to wait to fill some of the more ambiguous/sparse spots.

[twin dragon]

imo skong clears in almost every single one of em

[foggy fractal]

Ari had how long to draw hk ? like 3 years with no money ?

[timid torrent]

Ywah

Yeah*

[twin dragon]

most of the cut sprites we've seen could've been added

ion see an issue with that

[foggy fractal]

sure, TC just doesn't want to, it's that simple

[craggy smelt]

barnacle bay weavenest, all the lore is there

[timid torrent]

Entirety of it?

[twin dragon]

"Hk was too obvious"

[craggy smelt]

game comes out
still waiting

[snow sonnet]

Will our hunger ever be satisfied?

[foggy fractal]

eh what's another year or two

[snow sonnet]

Let them cook 🔥

[midnight zinc]

“I can always start again, make another game”

[snow sonnet]

I'm glad we don't have to see "SILKSONG" spam at events anymore

[foggy fractal]

true that

[snow sonnet]

WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS

[sinful nimbus]

Not that event chats are any more tolerable

[foggy fractal]

true

just don't look at them or chat there ever

what's the point lmao

[craggy smelt]

no point now that SS is actually out

[midnight zinc]

Not Pharloom Bay lmao

[twin dragon]

Some other sloppy game spam will take its place

vicious cycle

[foggy fractal]

Hollow Knight cuz that's in the title of both games wooo

[snow sonnet]

Or rather seeing #sk-discussion go into a 1 min slowmode for the billionth time when there's nothing
But the channel is already sometimes intolerable
Fuck the internet

[sinful nimbus]

Remember the time we got news at an Xbox showcase this year and people still got angry

[snow sonnet]

Also people getting so pissed at there being a demo at gamescom aswell

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe we don't deserve SS

[foggy fractal]

proves that people will get mad at anything

[foggy fractal]

hey hey, I deserve it.

👹

[snow sonnet]

8 years worth of craft and love put into a game and yet a fanbase that growls and throws tantrums when their new toy needs more time smh...

Wow holy fuck in 3 months it's gonna be the 9th anniversary of HK

[sinful nimbus]

[foggy fractal]

hollow knight is unc !

har har har !

[sinful nimbus]

10th year anniversary will go crazy

[foggy fractal]

final dlc drop on that date trust.

2027 Feb 24.

mark yo calenders.

[snow sonnet]

The True Silksong dlc

[timber pond]

Crowsworn also looks like its going to be good.

The main chracter is litteraly me. And so is every NPC.

[limpid summit]

Does Ze’mer recognize TK as a vessel like Ogrim does

[timber pond]

If you assume she is in her right mind probably

But if you assume that she has lost it somewhere along the way, who knows.

[craggy smelt]

yeah, artwise Crowsworn might be my perfect game, even moreso than HK

looking forwards to it

[lean temple]

Can't wait to crowpost

You can pogo so it's gonna be A tier

[silk dirge]

crawpost

crawsworn

[frigid belfry]

new team cherry interview dropped

heavily hinting at a God master and steel assassin type dlc

[silk dirge]

i dont think it hinted at godmaster

it hinted at a bossrush

which makes sense

[craggy smelt]

godmaster is basically bossrush

and I'd love one

refight some of these clowns

[silk dirge]

yeah just not godmaster again

[craggy smelt]

yeah, let's just go back to Red Memory

[frigid belfry]

“That would mean larger things like godmaster. Certainly we noticed people like those things, being able to REFIGHT bosses”

-ari

[silk dirge]

i just had the banger idea you couldve had a weaver queen hornet fight in red memory

[ornate pier]

Anyways godhome equivalent should be in the memorium

[silk dirge]

to show hornet rejecting weaver expectations of her

[craggy smelt]

re-skinned Grand Mother Silk, with Hornet's head

a Vespa boss fight in Red Memory would be an obvious one, I wonder if they'd do Herrah and White Light fights...

[unique canopy]

I hope they look at every single popular mod for the game and go "Okay, we don't need to do that since the fans already have."

[silk dirge]

theres so many bad mods tho lol

choir beastfly

[craggy smelt]

well, they certainly don't have to do those

[silk dirge]

the moment i saw it summon a maestro im like thats cooked

an add that has adds

anyways weaver queen hornet fight in red memory would thematically make a lot of sense

it could cook

itd be some celeste style fighting your bad side but itd be cool

[craggy smelt]

Broken Hornet

just runs away and launches poison cog-flies at you

[silk dirge]

imagine silksong hornet fight

tk might lose if hornet spams bola voltvessels

[blissful harbor]

TK spams 50 point blank fireballs towards her face and she can’t do nothing about it

[silk dirge]

i think tk is slightly cooked in the spell department

canonical hornet can probably spam silk skills

bc silk hearts

i would imagine canonically a silk skill doesnt need her to hit enemies

where tk doesnt have any means to generate soul

[craggy smelt]

kingsoul

best charm

[silk dirge]

my take is canonically 1 silk heart is probably one silk skill

[frigid belfry]

Why doesn’t hornet just make a silk heart out of silk?

Is she stupid?

[lilac hedge]

She forgot

[timber pond]

"Pellen: The fact that people are modding it is totally fine. Maybe our thinking is that part of presenting the game is creating the fiction that it’s a real world that exists independent of you. "

I knew it. I knew that's how they thought.

They made the game for the pilgrims and hornet and not us

[frigid belfry]

Game centred around sherma confirmed

[timber pond]

Unironicaly yes

[deep wing]

really?

[timber pond]

Who is this game for? Sherma.

In all seriousness, the difficulty is easy for us lore sniffers. Because we pay attention to the pebbles hornet steps on instead of "META FLEA PISS GRAJICE FLY BUILD"

You see, you need to sniff the rocks TO get fleapissgrapejuiceflybuild

[silk dirge]

pilby game

[frigid belfry]

idk i do agree the game can be punishing at times but a lot of the complaints i see are just people refusing to engage with mechanics

[silk dirge]

yeah

[frigid belfry]

i saw someone ask how to beat last judge and when i told him to notice his specific telegraphs and dodge he was flabbergasted

[timber pond]

Well that's a diffrent case of people just forgetting they have buttons because they are too locked into thier own rythm.

[silk dirge]

people complaining they cant face tank bosses

[timber pond]

What IM talking about is the fact that , to even get alot of these mechanics you gotta be a lore sniffer.

Alot of secrets in silksong are Lore sniffers tier secrets

[deep wing]

being a lore sniffer is why I love that rosaries only come from devout bugs

[timber pond]

Like rando wall in Hollow knight? Pale king says something on a tablet.

[frigid belfry]

can’t believe newbies dont notice hornets left toenail code contains laces telegraphs 6 years in advance

[unique canopy]

And devout ants apparently

[timber pond]

Rando roof/ wall in silksong? Fucking gunpowder and Narnia if it smelled bad

[deep wing]

hmm touche. That is an odd one

from those they've hunted?

[silk dirge]

anyways do we think pilby makes it

we never see him after pilgrims rest

[unique canopy]

Considering the pilgrim path goes through ant territory, you can justify it as the ants taking them from pilgrims yeah, and maybe the Haunting makes them think the rosaries are important but they don't know why

[timber pond]

Dlc surely

He gets to lifeblood lab💀

[silk dirge]

does pilby become a OOH AAH

[timber pond]

Well they could see rosaries as something else too

They are confused and thing the haunting is still Karmelitas song

[deep wing]

oh sure that's true. Maybe they were lowkey tricked into being devout by transitioning songs lol

yo why does Herrah look like that

[timber pond]

"Pellen: Even before we talked about naming the acts formally, there was the postgame of Silk being pulled into the Abyss." Dang Star mad at this one😂

[timber pond]

Idek

Thags one people tried to explain but there isn't really a good one without the actual context of her life

[timber pond]

"That existed as something we were working toward for a really long time. That idea was there as an anchor destination."
Ok so act 3 was the plan all along.

[pastel star]

nuu backwards is basically unn

[timber pond]

Well more like letter swaped

[pastel star]

yeah but still really similar

do they have a connection?

[silk dirge]

so i guess my cut ending theory was wrong

[lilac hedge]

Uun

[timber pond]

Not really

[pastel star]

they both slug things

[silk dirge]

they just cut strung to serve bc the mechanics were overly complex

[unique canopy]

Makes sense even back when it was Hornet's DLC story, dealing with the void would both reuse assets and give a natural conclusion to Hornet's character arc

[timber pond]

I always knew this was going to be the case. Because team cherry responded to me long ago in 2017 that the Void is a central part of "hollow knight" bassicaly. I was a kid and spaced them with lore questions lol

[unique canopy]

Although considering they also had the idea of going from hell to purgatory to heaven (the Citadel) I wonder if the Citadel's original aesthetic would be closer to Godhome

[timber pond]

Which is why I think THK would be the main chracter of a 3rd game

[silk dirge]

i really thought the great cut coincided with act 3 but the diving bell was there before and i dont think they were ever planning something else for it

[timber pond]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-28/the-makers-of-hollow-knight-silksong-aren-t-done-just-yet?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc2NDM0NzQzNiwiZXhwIjoxNzY0OTUyMjM2LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUNkczNjFLR0NUSDAwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiJCMUVBQkI5NjQ2QUM0REZFQTJBRkI4MjI1MzgyQTJFQSJ9.nHDv04b3quPAcWKT5nBOeCqr1KCS01wBn_nMscKzzng&leadSource=uverify wall

Here interview

[silk dirge]

i love how they have lava areas at the start

a lot of games that would be lategame content

[lilac hedge]

How does underworks have lava tho

[timber pond]

"Gibson: The separation of Act 3 also gave us a release valve for those players who could say: Alright, I can achieve an ending, and be comfortable and leave this experience. It is such a long game that admittedly there’d be quite a few people who would feel that is the right jumping off point. Because that postgame, Act 3, was so delineated from the rest of it, it gave us the freedom to go more intense, have a level of challenge that ramped up even further. But also we went deeper into the connective tissue between it and the original Hollow Knight. This is when these two games start to bind together."

This is what ari meant when he said Silksong can be played first and is accessible to those who do.

[silk dirge]

yeah

[timber pond]

Because act 3 is only for the hard-core hollow knight fans

Testing and development of each act was also linear aperently

[silk dirge]

i think this is an acceptable explanation for why act 3 is more disconnected

i would prefer it to be connected but i can accept this

[timber pond]

I kind of imagine that DLC might have content split between act 2 and act 3

[silk dirge]

what i find interesting is how they said sharpe is "waiting to arrive"

[timber pond]

He will probably be an Act 3 questline

[silk dirge]

i imagine he might be post act 3

[timber pond]

Because it makes sense for him to show up in void soaked lands

[timber pond]

I hope, but I won't get my expectations too high

[silk dirge]

i wonder if we will get a steel city dlc now

[timber pond]

It would be so peak if we got a Darksouls 3 esque DLC that's a sequel like Ringed city

[silk dirge]

i can imagine sharpe might be the intro to it

[deep wing]

If they have a steel DLC that doesn't involve act 3 it would be kind of insane tbh

[dreamy onyx]

Probably something like the Grimm Troupe where instead of a full region we just summon members of a guild

[timber pond]

Well if the Steel City is like the Ringed City in Darksouls 3 I could see it

[inner torrent]

Is just me who hates how threefold pin looks Nothing alike to the sprite in game???

[dreamy onyx]

Also how did I just realise that technically going to the Citadel is like ascending to heaven

[timber pond]

The thing is that they would act in presence of void and try to capture or kill hornet in pharloom to bring her to the city of steel anyway

Grim troupe is nuteral

Masters are only nuteral until void is involved

[inner torrent]

Masters suck

[timber pond]

I mean yeah, they would be perfect bad guys

[inner torrent]

I'm starting to think more and more Steel city will be its own game

[deep wing]

I'd be down I am so thirsty for more void explanation and they seem to grasp it better than most bugs

regarding Herrah's build tho
I liked the idea that while the weavers are normally all elevated Pharlids, Herrah is an elevated Drapemite. Though that obviously has its own ??? to explain

[timber pond]

Its a semi popular theroy, and may be confirmed or denied in DLC if anywhere.

[muted lantern]

she looks so fucking ridiculous with no cloak

[timber pond]

My theroy is that the masters are the end result of the Ancient Civilization bugs. They have become something else, instead of the emptiness they sought. And so the steel city is the new philosophy.

[deep wing]

Where do you get that from? Is it a guess built mostly off their loose connection and lack of info around each?

[deep wing]

not holding my breath for that. I'm sure the DLCs will reveal more about the world but I doubt they'll make big headway on huge basegame questions

[timber pond]

Just thier "outline" filling out the negative space with the facts Zi and Jinn present

[deep wing]

OOH I hadn't heard those lines, that is a big possibility given the ancient civilization's connection to stone based magic

[winter scaffold]

Maybe reference ?

[timber pond]

1:They do not like others to use void
2:However they employ those who use void, whom might also be subservient slaves.
3: They create constructs from a "home rock". One of said constructs also said they have been "compressed". Which the masters can aprently do to any bug?
4: They are always present in kingdoms of civilized bugs as some sort of observing force.
5: Jinn says thier "completeness" is like TKs with Void heart. Meaning they could be related to the void, or they have been "Focused" to an equivalent power level TK is at.

And to be "focused" to that extent. You either need to be as old as the void itself,or cheat somehow.

If beings like GMS pale king and the radiance could not even have had that amount of focus devoted to them.

[deep wing]

Elderbug: "Did you know the caverns continue even below the capital? Few have ventured that deep so the details are scant. Those who made it back told of impossibly old structures and roads formed as though the rock itself possessed a will."
Referring to the Ancient Basin

Relic Seeker Lemm: "My fellows have claimed there's a will of sorts within each egg, that each seeks its own bearer, or reject them. That'd be a subtle power indeed, and I remain sceptical."
Referring to Arcane Eggs

both remnants of the Ancient Civilization, as I understand

[timber pond]

"Bilewater - what were you guys thinking?

Gibson: It’s all in the name.

Pellen: We just love a big swamp. We wanted some kind of poison status for ages."

William loves a big swamp guys

Throw him in

[winter scaffold]

Maybe reference ?

[deep wing]

do you want a link to the wiki or something? 😭 those are both direct quotes from in-game

[winter scaffold]

Is that a maybe reference ?

[deep wing]

I don't know how to parse that message

[winter scaffold]

Maybe reference ?

[deep wing]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Relic_Seeker_Lemm
https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Ancient_Basin
?

[winter scaffold]

U don’t get it @crisp brook would get it

[deep wing]

ok

[winter scaffold]

Bye

Great chat

Can i become admin btw

Im rlly good at hollow ksnignr

I beat vengefly without getting hit

Go on @crisp brook

Help me

[crisp brook]

Me and @winter scaffold on some type timing tho

[winter scaffold]

Frfr

[winter scaffold]

Ty i needed this

[deep wing]

happy to help мαувє

[winter scaffold]

Yw

Dw about it

[timber pond]

"Pellen: We were talking about the next project in general. We’re not thinking about the size. We just started making new stuff and working on bits and pieces. We’re still in this world, thinking about stuff to present to people."

Lo hollow knight content Doubters the Truth: Willam still mode about everything in the world.