sk-lore

[dawn gyro]

the marrow actually couldve been a slab outpost

[trail wagon]

The Slab was constructed by the Citadel, I think, so idk

[shell oracle]

Theory:
The judglings in blasted steps (I think that's where there from right) grow into the judges which then grow into the last judges and if there is an existing judge when one grows into another last judge they must fight to the death to claim the title of the last judge

[dawn gyro]

interesting

[humble crown]

fighting is sin so idk

[cedar skiff]

do yall think the weavers ever considered void as a means to get rid of gms

matter of fact why is the farsight in that weavenest too

[visual glacier]

Probably

They are kinda smart so they realized it’s a bad idea though

[wintry plinth]

I'm pretty sure that the next game won't be hollow knight related

Otherwise what was fearless fox trademarked for, the time when sun explodes? Like 20 years from now?

Because if they do decide to work on another hk game, that and silksong dlc would together take another like decade

[muted lantern]

So the pilgrims know of the weavers correct? Isn't there a sign in mosshome that's from the pilgrims to the weaver?

[visual glacier]

Yeah they do

At least they used to, idk if sherma knows about the weavers

[muted lantern]

So are weavers like angels to the pilgrims?

[visual glacier]

They are divine beings

Idk how to relate it to something Christian

[muted lantern]

I guess they are more like gods to the pilgrims since they don't know of GMS or the truth of their non divinity first sinner saw

[wise sand]

Saints maybe

[muted lantern]

Maybe, I suppose they know weavers can die, which is unbecoming of a god typically. Though then again Jesus did die, so maybe the pilgrims view it like that

Oh God is hornet gonna be considered coming of the weavers

[silk dirge]

random pilgrim #5 reporting they just saw hornet pop a rune rage for fun

[visual glacier]

Weavers are kinda hated by a lot of people

Even shakra

[silk dirge]

like how would most bugs even react to rune rage

basic silk skills wouldnt be impressive

grand reeds can thread storm

choristors can do similar stuff to silkspear

but rune rage?

theyd be like what the fuck is that

[arctic cliff]

«Void tanks» in weaver room

Yeah

Probably

[silk dirge]

sherma trying to gather his thoughts after seeing hornet volt filament cross stitch 3 surgeons and 2 morticians

[wintry plinth]

Killing sherma is not okay whether with or without context. What the actual fuck.

[visual glacier]

What if the ghost of Hitler posesses him

[wintry plinth]

Then kill the ghost of hitler.

[visual glacier]

You can’t kill a ghost

[wintry plinth]

I'm pretty sure exorcism does exactly that

[stray fog]

I like to believe that weavenest absolom was meant for this exact purpose

The way eva talks about the void makes it look like she doesn't knoe much about it

[visual glacier]

Why would she know about it

[stray fog]

Shes like a supercomputer or something

[dawn gyro]

shes a biological being though, one made of silk. A similar experient as lace but unsuccessful and with different purposes

[visual glacier]

She’s not made of just silk, she’s made of runes internally with her “tank” as her shell

[dawn gyro]

yeah the runes were to try to give the silk form

[visual glacier]

Yeah

[wintry plinth]

Speaking of that, I've been seeing a lotta stuff about steel city here. Is it in any way confirmed what the dlc will be about? (If there is dlc. I mean, what if they just don't find any ideas fitting enough to add to the game)

[visual glacier]

No

It’s suspected to be about the steel beings because of steel assassin sharpe

[wintry plinth]

If sharpe will be readded as dlc content that is

[visual glacier]

Sharpe is a backer character so he will

Maybe in a different game tho

[wintry plinth]

If said backer even gives a shit about 400$ he paid for 10 years ago. Ik he was going to (or already did) contact team cherry but I don't know, it might just be asking for a refund

Though i would like a dlc with supposedly such a heavy lore bomb

[stray fog]

Definitely

[wintry plinth]

Something just makes me think steel dlc will never happen because it wasn't fitting in the main thing that well

[visual glacier]

Godmaster added a lot of lore about the void

[muted lantern]

Speaking of the mosshome tablet, can weavers heal others with their silk?

[visual glacier]

Yes

Hornet can literally do it in gameplay

[muted lantern]

And how powerful is that healing, like can they just stitch up a lethal injury no problem?

[muted lantern]

She can heal other bugs?

[visual glacier]

When garmond or shakra is staggered, if you bind next to them they get up immediately

[wintry plinth]

Green prince is just asgore but this time he was proud of the fact

[visual glacier]

https://youtu.be/f0vS7nRSsVw

[muted lantern]

Oh sick

As for my follow up question, how much of another's wound can she heal, like could she save someone who just received a fatal injury?

[visual glacier]

Not sure

We know silk is used to heal because of the contraption ballador is set up in

[muted lantern]

I imagine that was more of a life support thing.

[visual glacier]

Yeah

“Fine thread spun from the soul of its creator. Highly coveted for its remarkable strength and mystical properties. Used to heal wounds, extend life, and weave powerful runes.”

[stray fog]

"pale hearts ablaze"
Im guessing this is talking about lace and gms being dunked into the abyss?

If so, that's a weird way of saying it

[craggy smelt]

its about Hornet and GMS' fight - Hornet is technically of the pale caste as well

[cedar pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-dunk-gif-5163567144698048097

dunked into the abyss you say

[ornate pier]

I think he said he would contact team cherry when he found out Sharpe was scrapped

[wintry plinth]

That's the only part we know of right now unfortunately

[heavy gyro]

Was Karak ruined by GMS or the citadel

[viscid ridge]

Grand mother silk, to me it seems like karak fell long before the citidel was established. The other 3 powers seemed to have fallen during or after the citidel

[fervent sigil]

is elder hu a poshanka

[heavy gyro]

I think it would've worked better thematically if it was due the citadel but alas there's nothing we can do

[devout echo]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-silksong-shakra-poshanka-challenge-gif-2106036597561187735

I am a poshanka

[craggy smelt]

maybe. he looks a bit like a pharloom bug, and has some attacks that seem reminiscent of shakra's

he was said to have travelled the world also - Shakra mentions that when a member of her tribe leaves their homeland they don't return but must travel instead forever

[near crane]

Idk of this is a theory or something in the game, but did the weavers use steel being technology to make the farsight.

or some kind of connection there

[craggy smelt]

wow, the steel seer zi

🫵 it's you

[craggy smelt]

there is some slight similarity to the farsight runes and the rune that surrounds zi
it might be similar magic only, there's nothing we know of so far that shows a definite connection between weaver tools and steel clan stuff

[near crane]

well this is my theory so far, i would love a steel soul dlc

[craggy smelt]

there was a weaver that fled to the City of Steel, we might learn more about a connection if we go there

[near crane]

the city of steel is a place mentioned ingame?

[craggy smelt]

yep - in the Cradle, there is a chamber recording the Citadel's hunting of several Weavers
one was hunted beneath the 'City of Steel'

[near crane]

oh wow

[craggy smelt]

exciting
many people speculating on DLC hope we will go there somehow

[near crane]

plasmium and steel city dlc potential fr

[inner torrent]

Which is the hottest pilgrim?

The overgrown pilgrim has potent acidic fluids inside which are probably super hot

[final thistle]

I love lace

[inner torrent]

So, are steel ones powered by soul or?

[crystal cairn]

how does hornet buy sting shard in silk song even when she used it in hollow knight

or she just loses it after they catched her?

[inner torrent]

The second

It says she is giving the instructions so she knows how to make them

[craggy smelt]

she might need an adapted model, one built from unfamiliar local materials, as a starting point

[craggy smelt]

hard to say, we haven't fought one yet

one in the trailer fired beams that might be soul-based

[mild adder]

hey that sort of looks like Radiance's "legs"

[craggy smelt]

she got dem spindles

[pale narwhal]

wait whats this steel seer rune

[craggy smelt]

it's a rune that can be faintly seen around Zi

[pale narwhal]

ah
i did not notice that

[craggy smelt]

its pretty faint

[midnight agate]

If my insane theory is correct at all, there's probably enough content to make it into a third game, but I think the only kind of confirmed thing so far is sharpe

[midnight agate]

also I just wanna throw this out there

also also there are multiple characters from the steel city (zi, jiji) that can "see" entire kingoms at a time

[stray fog]

I don't understand the correlation between the farsight and jinn

That could be any generic material

[midnight agate]

could be

idk

[stray fog]

I feel like another reason that the grimm troupe will not be in silksong is that hornet wouldn't participate in their rituals

The white lady knows about the nightmare people

So hornet probably knows about them too

Because I like to believe that white lady did the education part of hornet's upbringing

[frosty gate]

They could appear, Hornet just won't do anything about it

[stray fog]

Nvm I thought the white lady didn't like the troupe, but this dialogue indicates indifference instead

[stray fog]

That's equivalent to them not appearing, for us players

Thk lost their strength over time, and the reason they're strong in the boss fight is because of the radiance.

So, after etv, team cherry could make thk as weak or strong as is required by the game

So, thk is not necessarily ruled out for being too overpowered to be the protagonist of the third game

[dire sinew]

i want to believe this but i think it's too far of a stretch for any conclusions

[frosty gate]

Wait whats the topic

[midnight agate]

steel city

[stray fog]

Why are unn and nuu so similarly named

There's some potential for a theory here

But I can't think of any other similarities except them being snails

[frosty gate]

Slugs

[lusty tree]

what even is nuu?

[stray fog]

I thought nuu had a shell

[frosty gate]

Slug

[frosty gate]

It's a backpack

[lusty tree]

is he one of those invasive pink slugs that i keep seing on my tt page?

[stray fog]

🔥

Hilarious

[vague whale]

Nope it's a backpack

It's specifically made to look like a shell as a joke for the players though

[stray fog]

Anyway, are there any other similarities?

[lusty tree]

nuu is unn's aunt

[frosty gate]

None, actually.
I try to not think too much about the Nuu/Unn thing because I have nothing

That said, I don't think Nuu's existance proves something about Unn

Or that they're somehow mistically related

[silk yew]

dam who metnioned me

[frosty gate]

Has your brain claimed its glory over you?

[sonic badge]

is there anything that lines up the altitudes for the hallownest and pharloom maps

[stray fog]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/s/ixb7aHf3j7

[sonic badge]

ah
right

thanks

[frosty gate]

I still call bull on this one

Pharloom could just be up a Mountain

Mt Fay is clearly not Surface

[stray fog]

Is the fucking whisp thicket as wide as the hive 😭

[midnight agate]

goated

[frosty gate]

I wish we could know if Dirtmouth is the surface or not

Like any clue at all

Or what even counts as the Surface

[stray fog]

I think it is

The ambiance is surface-like

And in the opening cutscene of the first game, dirt mouth looks like its on the surface

[frosty gate]

I agree, I think it does look like a Surface-like area, but as long as there's no real proof, there's debate

[stray fog]

What about the cutscene

That's enough proof imo

[frosty gate]

Wow its been ages since I watched this cutscene

It does look like the surface

You can see a Horizon

Kinda

Some people argue that it's still underground

[stray fog]

People say that the "surface" is still in a cave system

I don't believe that personally

[frosty gate]

It could be, but I don't think it is

I think they're just living in a dying world

[stray fog]

Kingdoms might have a tendency to be shitty in their world

[frosty gate]

No I don't mean the Kingdoms, I mean the things outside

[stray fog]

The fact that pilgrims migrate to pharloom and to hallownest means that their own kingdoms were not satisfactory

[frosty gate]

It is a wasteland after all

[stray fog]

🤔

[frosty gate]

Oh no, I'm pretty sure that someone says there's a village or town not far from Pharloom

Can't remember who

[stray fog]

Oh

[frosty gate]

I can't find the dialogue tho

They can't be for other places anyway

They have silk in them

There's also Garmond's village

Idk whats up with that

It might be the same, idk

[unique canopy]

Shakra's tribe is "from Pharloom's edge" and it doesn't seem like any of them were haunted, so they were likely far enough away that the silk didn't affect them. But none of them were normal pilgrims and both Shakra and her mentor were there for alternate reasons.

[heavy gyro]

The abyss in hallownest could be much lower, its just covered in vessel shells

[limpid summit]

Well there’s Bonegrave

We don’t know exactly where Garmond is from

But probably a hidden village like that

[frosty gate]

We still don't know where exactly are the pilgrims coming from

We came from the Blasted Steps bridge, entering Shellwood

Which is way higher than Bone Bottom

Shakra does suggest that the Pilgrims used Wormways a lot before

So maybe there was an entrance there?

[stray fog]

What about the part that the lighthouse is for

It doesn't have vessel corpses

[marsh sky]

That’s just for keeping back the void no?

[icy jetty]

Is jiji the confessor also a snail or am I crazy

[terse warren]

#hk-lore also no I don't think so

[icy jetty]

I was asking here because the snail tribe is in pharloom

[terse warren]

I assume there's a pit in the center which is where the vessel corpses are, and around it it's solid ground

[icy jetty]

She does spells and she wears a cloak like the other snails

[terse warren]

They were wearing cloaks to conceal their identities

And these are just very loose connections

[icy jetty]

Ah I thought that was just a snail tribe thing

[terse warren]

Nope

[icy jetty]

Do we know what jiji is?

[terse warren]

Not as a species

She works for the Masters though

She is to Jinn what Sula is to Zii

A vassal I think is the word?

[icy jetty]

So she works for the steel bugs?

Sorry if this is a dense question

[blissful meadow]

I am happy that the shaman that kept calling me slave died tho

[icy jetty]

Fr

[midnight agate]

jiji seems to know more about the masters than jinn

also she isn't called a vassal

she is the same species though

[midnight agate]

yes

[icy jetty]

is steel soulor normal more canon?

[midnight agate]

probably steel soul but I don't really know for sure

[icy jetty]

its so confusing because theres different characters

you know what would be fucked up?

if they found a way to make room duping canon in the lore

[midnight agate]

fr

[terse warren]

Yeah but the parallels between her and Sula are pretty clear I think it's safe to say she's Jinn's vassal

[icy jetty]

imagine thats how they explain why steel soul and normal has different npcs 😭

that would just be fucked up ngl

[terse warren]

Little bit of both but canonically you don't die

[icy jetty]

please dont make room duping canon team cherry

[midnight agate]

jinn treats jiji significantly differently than zi treats sula

[terse warren]

Jinn is just peculiar in her speech methinks

[craggy smelt]

the permanent death thing is more realistic, but characters from both normal and steel soul mode are all canon

[icy jetty]

How much do we know about the city of steel?

[terse warren]

Not all people behave the same yeah

[midnight agate]

I have a whole overarching theory about all of this

wanna join a vc?

[craggy smelt]

the name

[terse warren]

Nah I'm good

[midnight agate]

damn

[icy jetty]

im in class

[frosty gate]

What's the topic?

[icy jetty]

linux server 1

only reason im not paying attention is bc like

i already daily drive nixos and know linux

[frosty gate]

Jiji is still a Vassal, even if not called one

[frosty gate]

So it seems, doing something we don't know

[midnight agate]

what if I told you I have a big convoluted theory about what exactly they're doing

[icy jetty]

Im so pissed off that they just didnt explain lifeblood at all except now its a threat apparently

[frosty gate]

If you would explain it

[midnight agate]

vc?

[frosty gate]

Thanks to Zylotl mainly

[frosty gate]

Can't rn, I'm at work

[midnight agate]

damn

[icy jetty]

what were they thinking when they introduced that quest and then just didnt elaborate

[frosty gate]

You mean TC?

[frosty gate]

It can be further developed in a DLC

[icy jetty]

yeah

[icy jetty]

hopefully we get a city of steel dlc/game that expands on that

city of steel game where you play as seth would go hard

[frosty gate]

Lifeblood and City of Steel won't go together

CoS will most likely be its own game

And, as always, I'm betting all on THK being the protagonist

[hard thorn]

guys i think jiji might be a vassal

[midnight agate]

I will skin you gng

[icy jetty]

I dunno if that would work bc size

My bet is on seth

[frosty gate]

The same thing was said about Hornet

[icy jetty]

And it will be a true soulslike

[midnight agate]

(/j)

[frosty gate]

And they made a whole game around Hornet's height and mobility

[icy jetty]

Thk is actually big though it would be difficult to make that work

[frosty gate]

Not really

It isn't even strong nowadays

[unique canopy]

THK would only be too big if they try to make a third game that's exactly like the previous two games
Plus Silksong was originally supposed to be HK DLC anyway, hence why it's the same genre

[midnight agate]

holy shit slab mentioned

[frosty gate]

Hollow Knight: Kingdoms of Steel
And its just an open world gam

[nimble warren]

i dont think they can even add more story to thk, i just hope they appear again in future dlcs or games

[nimble warren]

and every enemy deals 3 mask dmg!!

[frosty gate]

Fr tho, I think a 2d Doom-like game for THK would go nuts

I imagine something like Risk of Rain 1 I guess

Hordes of enemies

[hard thorn]

the hollow knight is already the protagonist of hk though ???

[frosty gate]

A friend said it would be cool if THK got a game where it travels around the Wastelands between kingdoms

[nimble warren]

hey so

the protagonist is not the hollow knight

[midnight agate]

real

[icy jetty]

Seth makes the most sense in terms of being a playable character imo

[frosty gate]

Garmond makes the most sense in terms of being a playable character imo

[icy jetty]

You are the hollow knight 🔥

[nimble warren]

are you deciding which character should be playable

its ok take your time

[frosty gate]

I'm mocking the fact that ANY character makes sense

Not Seth only

[midnight agate]

jiji (who is definetly absolutely 100% a vassal because I said so frfr) should be the mc

[nimble warren]

if you think about it groal the great should be the next playable character

[frosty gate]

Fuck even Zote Boat could happen

[nimble warren]

zote boat winning goty 2031 would be crazy

[tepid mountain]

There’s also no reason it wouldn’t be some brand new character. They don’t have to reuse one.

[frosty gate]

You are allowed to want a Seth game, but it doesn't mean it makes sense that Seth would and not other of the 5 NPCs that could also get a game

Because it's TC's world and they will make it make sense

[tepid mountain]

I feel like it would be strange to continue Seth’s story without Seth himself being around.

[frosty gate]

HK: Pablo could be real

[frosty gate]

I mean he is alive

Even if he doesn't remember himself

[tepid mountain]

I was meaning the backer himself.

[frosty gate]

Oh yeah, that would be weird

[frosty gate]

I just, personally, think it would be weird to open a whole new plotline with a whole new character without closing THK

[nimble warren]

i just think making a game with him as a playable character and giving bad endings like all hollow knight games have would be crazy

i think his current ending in silksong is perfect enough

[frosty gate]

Exactly

We don't need a future for Seth

His arc was closed

[nimble warren]

i mean its in the same universe and hornet mentions that she believes if she travels deep enough anywhere she will find the abyss, which is CRAZY important to hk lore and kinda connects to thk

[frosty gate]

Which is why I heavily believe that THK could be the focus of a Steel related game

[nimble warren]

i dont think they really fit for a protagonist and they have too much lore in just hollow knight imagine another game just abouyt them

[frosty gate]

I imagine it and it is wondrous

A being created as a soldier with the sole purpose of being a cage for an ancient God, loses the battle, costing it its own freedom and the Kingdom it grew to love and swore to protect, now travelling the Wastelands, looking for a new purpose, gaining its own will, and contradicting literally everything PK taught

A Story about finding oneself after touching rock bottom

[nimble warren]

i think it would just fit them with unecessary lore yk

[frosty gate]

Wdym

[nimble warren]

and we already know a lot about their lore, if we think of it both hk and silksong had a moment where we learned about the protagonists past, thk doesnt really need it if tc plan to add this again

[frosty gate]

I just

Said we don't need to know of the past

But of its future

We already know all of this character

What would become of it?

Plus, didn't we already know all about Hornet before Silksong?

Silksong didn't really add much to her lore, but it added to her personality

[nimble warren]

we dont really know if they are alive or dead too, and their lore is complex enough in hollow knight, adding more content for a character that has a lore with a start and an end is kinda unecessary

[unique canopy]

Hornet's lore was complex in HK, SK simply used that as a starting point for its own game story without being tied down to it.

[nimble warren]

silksongs lore was more focused about her ancestors

and where the weavers came from

[frosty gate]

I'm absolutely unable to disagree with the fact that we're not fully sure THK is alive or dead because we lack proofs.
That said, it would be very fucking stupid to show that cutscene in EtV just for THK to be dead

[craggy smelt]

they gotta be alive

weirdest ending, let's go

steel clan's gonna abduct them, compress them, given them a shiny new steel arm

Steel Knight, true final boss of steel town DLC

[nimble warren]

yeah idk
but i dont think they should leave the kingdom and explore and woah third game, and it will also just be dragging hks lore i think its pointless

[frosty gate]

A Steel game would be focused on the Steelmasters and whatever the hell they're doing, I fail to see how is that an issue

[nimble warren]

thats not an issue, imo thk being the protagonist is

i really like thk they are my fav character from hk, but i dont think they need to be a protagonist

[frosty gate]

Idk what else to say but to agree to disagree

[edgy nebula]

we should get a new game focused on that one karaka in the resting grounds

[nimble warren]

i dont care which protagonist or dlc team cherry decides to make i just want sharpe content

[frosty gate]

HK: Karaka the Rappa

[craggy smelt]

sharpe the new protagonist of future game dlc

[nimble warren]

PLEASE

I WAS SO SAD WHEN I DIDNT SEE HIM

[azure shoal]

How do the characters eat?

Through the eyes?
Through a mouth that's behind their mask?

[sinful nimbus]

Mouths seem to be there but not drawn in the artstyle

Unless they need to draw someone using it EG deephunters hive knight or grimm

[silk dirge]

this brings up a good question

can hornet blink

[tepid mountain]

Do bugs blink?

[frosty gate]

Hornet doesn't even make face expression, which is why bug anatomy confuses me

[silk dirge]

apparently ari cheated a bit with hornets eyes in sotv

[unique canopy]

irl bugs don't because they don't have eyelids

[silk dirge]

i think theres a pretty subtle difference

her eyes dont taper to one side in sotv

better comparison

[frosty gate]

I think its just angles

Her expression looks the same

[silk dirge]

maybe

[frosty gate]

I think Lace can make expressions tho

Can't remember if she closes her eyes while she laughs

[snow sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-silk-issue-silk-issue-gif-15588893687607418966

[frosty gate]

Or not

Seems like they just don't make face expressions

[azure shoal]

Even when she's brought to ||The Slab and her clothes and needle are stolen|| and she just stares into the camera when on a bench

[frosty gate]

You can spoil without tags, dw

Also yeah i didnt get that but i saw a video on it

No expression but you can feel it in the way she poses and she just stares

She is pissed

[azure shoal]

Yup

[frosty gate]

It takes a lot to do that shit

[azure shoal]

You can see that especially when she casually SNAPS THE WARDENFLY'S NECK

[frosty gate]

Kudos to that

[ornate pier]

Hornet has a mask no? Probably a "natural" one, but nonetheless a mask

[frosty gate]

Yes she does

[frigid belfry]

masks/shells are essentially their face

external masks made by someone else are different

[ornate pier]

Not all bugs have that kind of face though

Take like the couriers

[azure shoal]

Remember: If you wanna survive, DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT piss off a demigod.

Or a god. That would be worse.

(Yes for anyone unaware, Hornet is a demigod. If you already know, cool)

[frosty gate]

And apparently both can be read by "The Sight"

[frigid belfry]

steel people are a bit terrifying

zi says her masters are powerful enough to keep demigods under a leash

[frosty gate]

The Sight isn't steel people stuff?

[frigid belfry]

oh i thought you were talking about something else

wtf is "The Sight" then

😔

[frosty gate]

Mask maker stuff

[frigid belfry]

oh we call it that now

the swirly eyes

[frosty gate]

Not exactly

[cedar skiff]

we oughta compile all the moments silkflies appear as guides

[frosty gate]

Hornet says that Mask Makers has "The Sight"

[cedar skiff]

because why do they appear during trails end

[frosty gate]

"You have the sight, Maker. Tell me what you see in me?"

Whatever that means

[limpid summit]

They could be former members of the tribe

Every silkfly is somebody

[cedar skiff]

that is a really nice outlook on it

[unique canopy]

Would Eva have swirly eyes?

[limpid summit]

Fun silkfly headcanons include

[frosty gate]

I don't think Eva has the same sight

[limpid summit]

The single adult weaver is the silkfly that frees hornet

The sight is like

Idk

It’s like World Sense and Farsight sort of

[cedar skiff]

i like lace freeing hornet because it adds more to laces charafter but yeah

lace is so kind for guiding hornet out of moss grotto

[frosty gate]

What?

[cedar skiff]

trails end for me is a standout silkfly appearance to me

i wonder if ill spot more as i replay

[frigid belfry]

both mask maker and herald have the exact same eyes and similar abilities

mask maker is able to discern identity and location beyond him

herald has some kind of foresight or sense

[limpid summit]

Just like general awareness

We don’t know what she means by the sight

[frosty gate]

I don't think it is the same though

[cedar skiff]

everytime i pass the snail shamans pre act 3 i am humbled greatly that i wasnt able to realise theyre snail shamans on my first playthrough

[limpid summit]

Idk if MM and Mask Maker are meant to have the same eyes

That’s just a more detailed look at MM’s eyes

Like how bugs look more polished in official art

[frosty gate]

I mean no, but it seems it has to do with masks

[limpid summit]

In what way

It’s a mixed metaphor she’s talking about her mask as her identity

Masks are synonymous with literal faces in HK

[silk dirge]

do we think the silkflies in the cradle are dead weavers

theyre on the cages so i could see it

[lucid sinew]

Hey, so I'm confused about these lines from the caretaker, just before the third act strikes.
"Aye, well... My family's marks are all over that trap. And we've spent a hard age avoiding the gaze of our god."
"If we earned it now, after such open opposition... that's a bleak conclusion none of us'd care for."
My guessing is that when he says his "familys marks are all over that trap", he's referring to the trap that's kept GMS asleep for all this time. But I don't get what he means about earning it, after such open opposition.
Is anyone able to fill me in?

[tepid mountain]

Talking about the void trap they set to trap GMS.

[foggy fractal]

it's not refering to what's been GMS asleep, it's refering to the soul snare that's required for act 3

[tepid mountain]

Basically saying “if this fails and GMS realizes we helped, we’re fucked.”

[lucid sinew]

oh so it is referring to the snare trap, i was thinking too deep

Ohhhhh wait i get it now

It felt like I was reading it wrong i couldn't wrap my head around it

if we earned the gaze of our god now, we'd be fucked

brain blast

[mossy cradle]

What if Hornet bounded Ghost after it died, thus gaining the Hunters crest

Or was binding to the Hollow Knight during the battle

[timber pond]

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[mossy cradle]

I don't know lwk

[timber pond]

Hunters crest is just her

All bugs are like, born with one

Hornet can just slurp others up because Silk OP

[mossy cradle]

hornet hk moveset feels different enough to the ss hunter moveset to me that it feels weird to think hornet uses the hunters crest

albeit her not jumping as high or not dashing in all directions could js be a sign of age

one check later and I realise the Wanderer's crest is closer to Ghost that the Hunters crest🤡

[frigid belfry]

???

its just gameplay

if hornet could jump 30 feet in the air the game would be over

her down pogo mimics her moves in hk, her throws, skills, and traps are all similar

her crest is literally her own essence

oh yeah you are the same dude who said hornet bound thk ggs😭

[mossy cradle]

What is wrong with saying hornet could bind the hollow knight

What was she doing

It looks like binding of some sort to me

[frigid belfry]

hornet can only bind beings with some nature in silk or dead bugs

[mossy cradle]

where it say this

[frigid belfry]

look at every bug she binds

eva is the singular exception we dont even know what she is

she never binds thk, she pins him down

[mossy cradle]

what stops her from binding a live unsilked bug tho

[frosty gate]

Didn't she forcefully bind Widow?

[frigid belfry]

weaver nature aka silk

[mossy cradle]

wait she binds eva

???

[frosty gate]

Have you not found the Sylphsong?

[frigid belfry]

yeah eva was the one exception because no one knows what the hell she is

[mossy cradle]

No I js forgot that u binded Eva for sylphsong
Imma stop talking incase i get hit with the brick of stupidity again💔

[frosty gate]

I mean, she's a being created with Silk that much we know

[frigid belfry]

she could be some kind of sylph but that doesnt matter anyway lmao

[tepid mountain]

I don’t think it’s stated anywhere that Hornet can only bind silk-related or dead bugs. Is it?

[frigid belfry]

its inferred more of

[frosty gate]

She also doesn't bind anything else

[frigid belfry]

it also doesnt make sense for hornet to bind some alive random bug

[frosty gate]

But dead bugs and silkrelated things

[frigid belfry]

thats what binding is

red memory tells us the weavers needed a silk related being to bind gms

[tepid mountain]

I suppose.

[frigid belfry]

binding is inherently silk/weaver related

[tepid mountain]

Why not bind every boss she kills, is she stupid?

[frosty gate]

I think the bug has to have some sort of... Strength, or importance

In order to get binded

She could bind the Old Hearts

[tepid mountain]

I wonder if that would render the heart unattainable.

[frosty gate]

Not if you get the heart first

[tepid mountain]

True.

[frosty gate]

Karmel's corpse is right there

Khann and Nyleth are harder tho

Oh and Gay Prince

[unreal estuary]

Could she theoretically bind the Shaman Souls?

[frosty gate]

She already got the Shaman Crest

Why bind the other 3?

[tepid mountain]

Also weird is that she can bind with just a body part.

[frosty gate]

You mean GMS's arm?

[tepid mountain]

Yah.

[frosty gate]

To be fair, that's the arm of a God

[tepid mountain]

Without binding the full rest of the being. Just strange.

[frigid belfry]

further evidence that binding is some silk related skill

[unreal estuary]

not sure really, just was a thought I had. Also was referring to the little soul capsules you get for the Soul Snare wish, not just the shamans in general

[unreal estuary]

I mean it's definitely a silk skill, it's literally Hornet grafting and sewing aspects of bugs' souls onto herself

I personally interpret all binding as just magic sewing, like the healing bind is just Hornet magically sewing up her wounds mid-battle

Binding skills is just taking that to the extreme and adapting elements of a bug's nature onto herself

[nimble estuary]

binding the full rest of the being is pretty much what leads to weaver queen ending

[tepid mountain]

Yeah.

[silk dirge]

i think if you take their heart tho that removes all their strength

so you wouldnt get anything

i do believe hornet can bind anything she wants but chooses not to bc like

would binding a mossgrub do anything

mossgrub crest

ok you know i am confused a bit on silk bc its described as channeling your soul into a thread which like how does that work

would a silk heart be like hornets soul regenerates?

that would make sense to me

[frigid belfry]

silk is an application of soul only a few select can use

silk hearts would be soul regenerating

hornet also attacks other bugs to get soul to make her own silk

similar to the knight

[silk dirge]

so i assume thats like

hornet adding their soul to her own

[unreal estuary]

Silk hearts basically come prebuilt into weavers, that's how they create Silk, Lace has one so she can sustain her form, and the Unravelled has one because it's a massive bundle of silk, it needs something to generate that soul

[silk dirge]

why does bell beast have one

and how is lace alive after that

[unreal estuary]

It's trapped in a lot of silk?

Honestly idk

[frigid belfry]

gameplay wise because its needed for progression, but lore wise we dont know

[unreal estuary]

Lace is being given life by GMS during Act 3

It mostly just means that she'll die soon, like Phantom

[silk dirge]

nah

hornet has sylphsong

that means she has infinite silk

[unreal estuary]

well yeah

but if Hornet doesn't give Lace any then she'll become like Phantom after a while

[silk dirge]

i mean she probably will

[unreal estuary]

yeah probably

[silk dirge]

tbh i think hornet can regenerate enough silk to use silk skills without weavelight

its just gameplay vs lore stuff

gameplay that would be silly

[unreal estuary]

probably

[silk dirge]

lore she probably can after acquiring silk hearts

[unreal estuary]

for Hornet the Silk Hearts just improve her Silk generation

[silk dirge]

id like to think in lore every silk heart is probably tripled

[unreal estuary]

but for other bugs it lets them produce Silk

[silk dirge]

i mean hornet cant produce her own silk at the beginning of the game

[unreal estuary]

while Hornet can just do it, but less than other Weavers since she's only half

that's why she needs the hearts to automatically regenerate

[silk dirge]

she lost that ability from the cage

[unreal estuary]

at least that's how I see it

[silk dirge]

the thing im curious about is if the weavers using a lot of silk is why they died quickly vs how widow is still alive

[unreal estuary]

Comparatively I think only the Pale King and his children can get soul from other bugs

[silk dirge]

bc widow outlived every other weaver by a lot

i wonder if pv can regenerate soul on its own

[unreal estuary]

It seems as if the weavers that died chose to do so, or at least enter a period of extended hibernation in the spires

[silk dirge]

yeah

thats what i was thinking

but idk

[unreal estuary]

so Widow just didn't do that

[unreal estuary]

probably not, otherwise tk should be able to

[silk dirge]

i mean it can do soul attacks without hitting tk

[unreal estuary]

true

[silk dirge]

i feel like it could be an ability pk gave to his chosen vessel

[unreal estuary]

it could be

the same question comes for Groal too though, where did he get it from

or Soul Master for that matter

[silk dirge]

from absorbing a shaman

both of them

[unreal estuary]

It's also worth mentioning that we only fight pv in the dream realm

we don't know what it can do outside of that

[silk dirge]

i mean what pv is in dream realm is probably accurate to how it was before being sealed

[unreal estuary]

I just mean that since Godseeker is the one creating pv, she might have given it a bunch of soul to use

that might not be how it works but it's a possibility

though actually now that I think about it you're probably right judging by how the infinite soul totems are all of pv

so its not impossible for pk to have given it that ability if he could make infinite soul totems

[silk dirge]

yeah pk probably could generate infinite soul

i think pk can generate infinite soul and gms can generate infinite silk however they have limits

gms probably has a spool bar

[frosty gate]

Presumably he does

[unreal estuary]

definitely

[silk dirge]

so they can generate it infinitely but its still limited

thats probably why gms wanted to absorb weavers

she wanted to gain enough power to sustain the haunting AND sustain lace AND wake up

which she probably didnt have the spool bar capacity to do

[unreal estuary]

With GMS specifically we can assume that her power likely diminished with each Weaver she elevated, like she was literally giving pieces of her silk away

[frigid belfry]

ehh maybe

we dont know for sure

[unreal estuary]

and then she was being consistently drained of her silk by the Weavers, Lace, the Citadel

[frigid belfry]

we know shes weakened from being kept in slumber at least

[silk dirge]

this is probably how big gms spool bar is

id imagine each weaver probably took a full one of those

[silk dirge]

i think she was giving each one a bunch of silk that she could regenerate its just she needs to absorb weavers to sustain everything she wants at the same time

id assume the haunting and sustaining lace each take like a third of that silk bar

or idk

anyways you know what im also really confused about

why is first sinner in a weaver spire thing and why does she have weapons around her

putting weapons around the person you are trying to imprison seems like a bad idea

[frosty gate]

Theory time

They fucking had to fight her til the end

[silk dirge]

i could see that

[frosty gate]

She was that tough

They don't even look like they were a Symbol of respect or anything

[silk dirge]

could also be true for gms

[frosty gate]

It's a bunch of needles scattered

[silk dirge]

weavers after leaving weapons in the most convenient spots for their enemies to use

[frosty gate]

I mean she was dead

What was she gonna do

[silk dirge]

true

[frosty gate]

FS playing fucking Doom against her own sisters

[silk dirge]

i think fs for sure was the strongest weaver

[frosty gate]

It's implied she's one of the toughest

Presumably the First Weaver

Explictly the first to use runes

[silk dirge]

imagine fighting canonical hornet

like canonically in the shakra duel shakra is cooked

bc i think we established canonically hornet would be able to use all her silk skills as much as she wants

she also can probably diagonal clawline

[dire sinew]

what is gms supposed to be? like what does her part of the metaphor refer to. is she supposed to be like... christianity/jesus?

[craggy smelt]

spider god

I guess Lace is more like Jesus

[frosty gate]

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[craggy smelt]

I don't think there's really a strong parallel between GMS and anything christian, really

[dire sinew]

ok fair i didnt elaborate on what The Metaphor is

[craggy smelt]

(someone did ask if Weavers were like angels, and I did think that was a neat idea)

(but was it a wheat idea...?)

[silk dirge]

i saw someone say weavers are supposed to represent jesus

😭

[dire sinew]

i think silksong is one big metaphor for like anarchy and stuff

so like the pilgrims are people under the "american dream" who want to work hard for success

[craggy smelt]

I can see that
cuz like how you Bind Jesus
and then he tries to murder you in your mind with explosive runes

[silk dirge]

who is silksong moses

[craggy smelt]

hmm...

[frosty gate]

🚪 🚶‍♂️

[craggy smelt]

maybe Nuu
wants to gather up multiples of every animal
in a way

into a mind ark

[silk dirge]

that is not moses

that is noah

[craggy smelt]

oh right

[silk dirge]

moses was the split the sea guy

[craggy smelt]

well, I stand by it

[silk dirge]

i love passover

[midnight agate]

among other things

[craggy smelt]

Nuuoah

[low steppe]

If some rosaries are made from shell, why can’t hornet craft counterfeit rosaries with shell shards???

[silk dirge]

LMAO

[low steppe]

Is she stupid???

[silk dirge]

im sorry hornet making counterfeit rosaries is so fucking funny

[sinful nimbus]

Life if the everbloom did this:

[low steppe]

If they’re not good enough to be convincing to traders, why can’t they at least be good enough to be used as ammo for the rosary cannon?

[sinful nimbus]

Would be so much tuffer

[silk dirge]

what happened to the big gloombeast

[craggy smelt]

poop hermit in pharloom bay would be moses
(I don't know, he's the only guy near an actual sea)

[sinful nimbus]

Went to a nice ice bath

[craggy smelt]

that reminds me, Angel Egg is showing at a theater near me next week, I must remind myself to buy tickets

[silk dirge]

anyways discussing canonical hornet is so funny to me

like imagine sherma in whiteward looking at hornet volt filament cross stitching every enemy and being like "what the fuck"

[sinful nimbus]

waiwaitwait

Why isn't there a unique electric animation for the heart ripping animation if you have volt filament it would be a peak Revengeance reference

[silk dirge]

the cut heart ripping animation is crazy

[sinful nimbus]

haven't seen it

[silk dirge]

you literally yank the heart out of them

fucking mortal kombat style or some shit

[dire sinew]

ok maybe my intial question is poorly phrased. what is grand mother silk a critique of? what is she supposed to represent?

[silk dirge]

https://youtu.be/iOl-dH5tDYE?si=HPW78pdDz82wt1b6

[tepid mountain]

I guess that was changed since you get the actual hearts outside of the memory?

[silk dirge]

yeah the way its done now feels a lot cleaner

[unreal estuary]

yeah that was probably used back when they were alive

[silk dirge]

idk

i dont think old hearts existed when they were still alive

[sinful nimbus]

WE'RE DONE HERE

[silk dirge]

karmelita was probably the equivalent of mantis lords until like 2021

[sinful nimbus]

She started the cycle of abuse by oppressing the weavers who went on to oppress the citadel bugs who went on to become oppressors themselves as the Conductors

Oppressed become the oppressors typa deal

[tepid mountain]

That’s also kinda weird, cause Hornet specifically tells Karm that she needs her heart from back when she was in her prime.

Or something like that.

[silk dirge]

karmelita was in her prime in 2021

2021 pharloom was fucking like idk

earlier into citadel rule

[tepid mountain]

I was more talking about it being weird cause I mentioned earlier about getting the hearts outside of the memory, I guess.

But I just don’t think I remember exactly how that was supposed to work.

[silk dirge]

i think that animation was probably a very early concept

notice its very rough in the video

its not refined at all

[unreal estuary]

and that you have to initiate taking the heart

it feels like that would just make the flow of gameplay a little less flow-y

compared to what we have now where you get the animation the second the boss dies

[craggy smelt]

I like it better that way

I wonder if the Old Hearts constitute charms...

[silk dirge]

not really

they are literally the hearts

[unreal estuary]

to be charms, Hornet would need to take them from the dead rulers, not from living memories, if she had waited for them to die before ripping their heart out they probably could have been used as Charms

going off of charms potentially being created from the wills of dying bugs

on the same topic could Hornet use charms, like can anyone do it or do you need to special

[silk dirge]

hornet could use charms probably

she doesnt bc different gameplay systems

[spark valve]

a bunch of tools are probably charms

[silk dirge]

yeah true

pin badge comes to mind

memory crystal also

[dire sinew]

defender's crest

[silk dirge]

the best crest

anyways im curious how charm notches even work

[spark valve]

don't think about it too hard

[silk dirge]

yeah crests make a lot more sense lol

i think tc definitely focused a lot on making stuff make sense diegetically more in silksong

such as how shakra doesnt just give you rings but instructions how to make more

[unreal estuary]

they probably both work similarly, with crests the shape of your body and nature is altered, so the things you can or would choose to carry with you change

with charms anyone can fasten them to themselves with enough notches

I feel like notches are probably like a tool belt or something

[silk dirge]

anyways can we talk about how insane hornets tool bag is

shes got so much shit in there lol

[unreal estuary]

I like the implication that without upgrades Hornet could still carry every tool in the game

[silk dirge]

i wonder how organized her tool bag is

[unreal estuary]

like she never has to ration what tools she carries only how many she can

[silk dirge]

probably more organized than my backpack

[unreal estuary]

almost definitely, if I were her I would want to be reaching for Warding Bell and cut my hand on the Threefold Pin

[silk dirge]

also i think its worth mentioning a lot tools in there are probably just like instructions or molds

[unreal estuary]

probably

[silk dirge]

like all tools made with craftmetal are probably molds hornet uses to make tools

[unreal estuary]

what do you think delver's drill actually is

[silk dirge]

probably instructions how to make a drill

[unreal estuary]

like how does she use it in lore

[visual glacier]

It’s a hand drill

[silk dirge]

tbh i think shakras rings being a shit tool kinda makes sense

[unreal estuary]

yeah

[silk dirge]

shakra is super used to them while to hornet they are completely new

so it makes sense shakra can use them so much better

[unreal estuary]

exactly, Hornet can't create shockwaves like Shakra can

and she never really got a lesson in how to work them right

[silk dirge]

this logic does make sense also since the sting shard is one of the stronger tools

its definitely a weapon of choice for hornet

[unreal estuary]

I mean that's the tool she uses during her second boss fight

[silk dirge]

yeah

imagine if hornet was fought at her silksong power level

[unreal estuary]

and it makes sense that she asks Forgedaughter to make it for her

[silk dirge]

shed just start fucking rune raging on tk

and throwing voltvessels

[unreal estuary]

I mean she might be a little easier dbh, in hk she can use multiple silk skills with Hunter crest, she'd have to pick her favorite when fighting at her current level

[snow sonnet]

I noticed that shockwaves are so far less present and the ones that do (last judge and choir clapper) actually makes sense to have it with unique assets

[unreal estuary]

good point

[silk dirge]

yeah

honestly hornet probably can do silk attacks other enemies do but chooses not to

she can definitely do whatever choristors do but silk spear is so much better

so why would she do that

[unreal estuary]

that goes back to the question of who Hornet can bind

presumably with enough time and practice she could learn how to do Thread Storm and Rune Rage on her own but binding the Weavers that already have the knowledge lets her learn it quicker

[silk dirge]

idk about rune rage

thats a very special skill

[heavy needle]

rune rage have only 2 good uses

[unreal estuary]

it's the same there, I feel like if Hornet bound a chorister or choir clapper she'd gain their knowledge but could also realistically learn it through time and effort

[silk dirge]

i mean she doesnt like how choir clappers use silk

[heavy needle]

1: when you're trying to die 2: when you want to be a cosplayer with a custom skin mod

[unreal estuary]

true

I just mean that I don't think she could just do it off rip she'd need to spend some time with it

[unique canopy]

She does Thread Storm in HK, it's actually kinda weird she needed to bind to re-learn it instead of relearning it through a fight like Cross-Stitch

[silk dirge]

i mean you dont fight grand reeds until way after

i am curious if hornet has like favorite silk skills tbh

[frosty gate]

I hate that's their name

They be clappin that choir

[silk dirge]

people have talked about if hornet has thoughts about different crests

[snow sonnet]

Honestly I feel like it would be thread storm

[silk dirge]

maybe

id bet she likes rune rage and cross stitch tho

[sinful nimbus]

ewww

those ones aren't even real silk spells

All in on Silkspear and Gossamer Storm

[silk dirge]

cross stitch definitely uses silk lol

[frosty gate]

I think Hornet would rate them by their respective owner

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but it doesn't use use silk

[silk dirge]

"mosshome weaver had bad vibes i dont like that one, greymoor weaver had better vibes"

every time i think about cross stitch i think how fucking cool of an experience that was first playthrough

[frosty gate]

For example, I think she would like Rune Rage and Cross Stitch because she respects the artistry of the skills

[craggy smelt]

I like cross stitch
but it should leave enemies tied up
like with Hollow Knight

[frosty gate]

I don't think she would like Nails

[snow sonnet]

Hornet taking a lesson from her good friend Vergil and having her parry do a vanish with multiple hits

[muted lantern]

Asked this before once but do you think that cogworks run off more silk than just the silkflies? or are they purely cogwork and silkfly as regular silk is too valuable whilst silkflies are just made from recycling dead pilgrims.

[silk dirge]

why is it nails even

and not needles

its kinda weird

[snow sonnet]

Her wyrm blood?

[craggy smelt]

rhymes

[silk dirge]

silkflies run all the more advanced automatons

[frosty gate]

I think she would like Storm and whatever the dash is called because utility

[muted lantern]

yeah but what i mean is do they use regular silk alongside silkflies or just silkflies

[silk dirge]

silk runs basic automatons like clawmaidens and cogflies

[silk dirge]

probably just silkflies

i am curious what spins the gears tho

[frosty gate]

Steam

Cog stuff is powered by silk, silkflies and steam

[silk dirge]

is the cogwork core right above the cauldron

[silk dirge]

i could see it

theres steam pipes all over the place

is the entire purpose of cogwork core the mechanism up top to keep gms asleep

i think that would make sense

[sinful nimbus]

It also reads giant psalm cylinders you can see in the background

[silk dirge]

yeah

i wonder if those are related to the thing at the top

[frosty gate]

You know what? Fuck it

Pharloom is built inside an inactive volcano

The cave system

Is all inside an inactive volcano

[silk dirge]

my idea is the diving bell should take you to an area called the "magma chamber" where all the lava comes from some magic source and then weavenest absolom is the abyss area

and they connect there

[frosty gate]

It just makes fucking sense

Even the climb for the surface get narrower like the mouth of a volcano

[silk dirge]

i see it

[frosty gate]

Someone here said there was a youtube channel who does like geology for games and shit, and they said that lake over at PD was akin to solidified magma or something

[silk dirge]

is the citadel built inside a massive magma chamber

i could see it

[sinful nimbus]

It should be called the forest of bones

[frosty gate]

Volcanic eruption DLC 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[unborn terrace]

How did garmond go so long without being black threaded

[silk dirge]

also reading the tools page wtf hornet is actually insane with shell shards

[frosty gate]

The Willpower and insanity of the Quixote

[silk dirge]

how tf is hornet making some of these tools out of shell shards

[sinful nimbus]

Sharp mind

He only gets blackthreaded when he's mentally exhausted

[silk dirge]

girl is fucking making fabric out of shell shards for the pimpillo

[sinful nimbus]

She's using her own silk ofc

[unborn terrace]

And, actually, he breaks out of it and probably would’ve survived if not for his wounds

[frosty gate]

If not because we beat the shit out of him

Or rather the silk

[unborn terrace]

could hornet not just like put the ever bloom on garmond or any black threaded creature

[silk dirge]

is hornet crust king khann she can fucking make coral for the driznit projectile tool lmao

[dry bridge]

well he wasn't haunted in the first place, and haunting only takes over if a bug is super dense with silk or they're vulnerable in some way, I think. And black threads come with the haunting via GMS in the void. Garmond wasn't exhausted enough to be haunted (and subsequently voided) until he'd been fighting for a long time

[frosty gate]

I was about to say the same thing

Her bloom is clearly not delicate

[unborn terrace]

Or, considering how it was in QG, could she not just plant them?

[frosty gate]

"The Power of Light compels you"

[silk dirge]

the reason garmond died but not lace is probably lace is stronger

or maybe lace being silk helped her

[frosty gate]

Lace is quite literally a being of Silk

Being kept alive by Silk incarnate

[unborn terrace]

Tbf we don’t know if garmond died, but he doesn’t respond to needolin

[silk dirge]

its safe to assume hes dead

[lone folio]

I thought he just wanted some rest

[silk dirge]

hes just eepy

[lone folio]

I mean would he sing if he was sleeping?

[unborn terrace]

everything they didn’t do to sherma they did to garmond

[silk dirge]

trobbio would be embarrassed by how good lace is at playing dead

[unborn terrace]

Garmond*

[silk dirge]

honestly i hope we get trobbio as an actual npc in dlc

bros gonna be the songclave entertainer

[unborn terrace]

speaking of, I think trobbio would try to join the Grimm troupe

[frosty gate]

T: "An lo i was met with a terrible beast who sought to destroy m- AH ITS THE BEAST RUN"
H: "For the last time, YOU ATTACKED ME FIRST"

[silk dirge]

whats funny is canonically songclave saw trobbio put up the wish in act 3 and just

didnt day anything

[sinful nimbus]

She sustains a coral growth in her pocket by extending its lifespan with silk and giving it nutrients with bone marrow, duh

[frosty gate]

Canonically, both Hornet and Trobbio think the other is just a really rough dancer

[unborn terrace]

lmaooo

[frosty gate]

Or even funnier, Hornet just thinks he's a really bad fighter while Trobbio thinks she's a really bad dancer

[unborn terrace]

Or he thinks she’s really good at playing her role in a play

Since he fakes death after his defeat

[frosty gate]

That too

[silk dirge]

god i want the pharloom rebuilding dlc just to see everyone react to lace

[frosty gate]

Whichever it is, I hope we get him in a DLC being absolutely terrified of Hornet

[unborn terrace]

I just want garmond back tbh, I loved him lol. Anyway I’m going off topic

[frosty gate]

Most people alive are currently out of the loop as to who the fuck is Lace

[silk dirge]

theyd be so fucking confused

[frosty gate]

"Yeah so like im the reason you all suffered, you are allowed to hate me"

[silk dirge]

sherma after trying to understand hornet describe higher beings

[frosty gate]

"Who the fuck are you again?"

[silk dirge]

does sherma even know what a weaver is

probably not

[frosty gate]

Doesn't seem like it

[unborn terrace]

“So… instead of singing opening the gates, they colonise the kingdom and force them to open it?”

[ornate pier]

Mostly abt post pharlloom act 3 I'm intrigued about who will lead and where

[unique canopy]

"The Weavers must be nice, for my friend the Red Maiden is one of their kin!"

[frosty gate]

Sherma is the defacto leader of Songclave I'm not even kidding

I wish I was

Caretaker just gave him the mantle

And people accepted it

[lone folio]

Sherma will lead the kingdom to prosperity

[ornate pier]

Not de facto he just is and is recognized

I think sherma will lead whatever is left of the citadel at least

[unborn terrace]

By technicality is Sherma a dictator

[frosty gate]

Pavo will probably still run Bellheart

[ornate pier]

Not sure if all of pharloom would accept his as king

[frosty gate]

But I think everyone will just move to songclave

[ornate pier]

It could be like old hearts, no central monarch

[silk dirge]

what will flick the fixer be

[lone folio]

Nah they would

[ornate pier]

Nah why

[unborn terrace]

anything he wants, he deserves everything

[frosty gate]

It's the one place not at the brink of colapse

[ornate pier]

Bone Bottom Two or some shit

[lone folio]

It's a big settlement already so why would you live anywhere else

[ornate pier]

Bellhart was doing about as well as songclave

[frosty gate]

Bellhart is falling

[unborn terrace]

was

[ornate pier]

Both were affected by the void stuff

Shakra was able to fend off most of the threats

I don't think bellhart wouldn't be able to rebuild

[frosty gate]

Although, to be fair

[unique canopy]

Songcave had a bunch of rubble too, with the black threading gone then Bellhart can rebuild

[lone folio]

I mean it has a nice leader open air and some sort of defense against intruders with the pins that hornet collected

[frosty gate]

It makes more sense its Bellharts

They have these things called, you know, houses

[silk dirge]

I hope we meet pilby in dlc

do we think pilby even made it to the citadel

[ornate pier]

Where are they living in songclave lol

[lone folio]

But he's already in the game

[frosty gate]

Tents

[silk dirge]

yeah but bro just disappeared

[ornate pier]

Who knose

[frosty gate]

But they can retake pretty much everything around

There's no more haunting

[daring quest]

is that a jojo's referance?

[silk dirge]

other pilgrims looking at sherma being like "how the fuck did you make it here"

[lone folio]

Tents and eventually actual houses over time. Also the citadel is filled with housing if it has so many workers (not under workers they live in pipes) which means that they need to have some sort of accommodation for them. I'm pretty sure we get to see some housing in the background of the choral chambers

[ornate pier]

The skarr are like fucked if karmelita was killed

[silk dirge]

ok wait you know what id pay to see

[ornate pier]

She doesn't have to be killed however

[unborn terrace]

pretty sure last judge just… lets her through

[silk dirge]

hornet attempting to describe shes the literal sister of the void to everyone

[daring quest]

pilgrims: how the literall hell did you get here? Sherma: I... am... god...

[ornate pier]

I thought everyone knew sherma was a guy by now brah

[silk dirge]

"oh yeah that giant void creature in the bg, yeah thats just my big bro say hi to it"

[unborn terrace]

Freudian slip

[daring quest]

finnaly it is fixed

[unborn terrace]

pretty sure last judge just lets him through, considering he calls the judges nice

[ornate pier]

Yeah he says the judges don't react to him

He's sinless

[unborn terrace]

truly the best bean

[lone folio]

"i WWE slammed that overgrown bug into the ground, before he could do anything I elbowed that thing and then threw him Mario style."

[daring quest]

debatable if torture dosnt count as a sin

[silk dirge]

watch sherma be like an actual hb in disguise or some shit

[ornate pier]

Who tf did he torture

[daring quest]

if you remember yknow the pilgrim village with the big skull boss that kills everyone there?

[silk dirge]

like wait you know those stories of like

[daring quest]

over in the far feilds

[unborn terrace]

he’s actually zote in disguise (he can’t hurt anybody so he’s sinless)

[silk dirge]

gods showing up as poor people to see how nice people are

[ornate pier]

Pilgrims rest?

[lone folio]

Pilgrims rest???

[daring quest]

sherma is singing consantly and the elder pilgrim is begging her to stop in his dialoge

[silk dirge]

what if sherma is like that

[ornate pier]

Are you referring to him playing music to the exhausted pilgrim

Not really torture

[lone folio]

Yeah alright thats pilgrims rest

[silk dirge]

sherma is a god testing how pharloom treats random innocent children

[daring quest]

in his dialoge hes begging you to tell her to stop

[unborn terrace]

ungrateful

[silk dirge]

i think shermas song was actually warding off the haunting

[ornate pier]

Mort doesn't interact with sherma

The weary pilgrim just groans

[daring quest]

how much more geo do i need for me to be the ultimate sly deciple

[lone folio]

Yeah he should of enjoined every single second of those metal things banging into his eardrums while he had a headache

[unborn terrace]

exactly, someone gets it

[silk dirge]

like i wonder if the ants didnt attack sherma bc his singing reminded them of karmelita

[lone folio]

I feel like his song is the only reason he stayed alive

[silk dirge]

yeah

[lone folio]

Everything haunted got paralyzed

[silk dirge]

anyways i really want to see hornet attempt to explain her family to everyone

[fervent sigil]

is fayforn a higher being

[silk dirge]

"so uhh my dad(i really hate him) is a pale being my mom is a weaver i have 100k dead siblings"

[lone folio]

Anything not haunted was too busy listening to his bangers like "faridula" and "tzimanet" and "destroyer of souls and tormenter of the damned"

[silk dirge]

"the void is literally my sibling also btw"

[lone folio]

Probably not

[fervent sigil]

HALF

[lone folio]

Though it is a powerful bug

[silk dirge]

fayforn is probably closer to an old heart

[lone folio]

Powerful enough to kill Weavers which is a pretty alright feat

[silk dirge]

nyleth i think would be a good comparison

[fervent sigil]

aren’t they the one who rule the entire mount fay

[lone folio]

Weavers didn't rule it they just built a Weavernest there to talk to the bird

[fervent sigil]

say closer to “old heart” rulers

[fervent sigil]

i meant fayforn

[lone folio]

Ah

Maybe not rule

It's more like it's territory

[fervent sigil]

true

fayforn lore needed

Also female mb

[muted lantern]

all we really know is shes some kind of legendary beast and the driftlins are her babies, and the weavers and citadel both communed with her once

[lone folio]

Oh and she gives out knowledge and death

[muted lantern]

also jumpscares people to give them warm clothing

[fervent sigil]

why did weavers wanna commune with her tho

[muted lantern]

fluffy

her down also has magical properties so maybe they traded for it

[lone folio]

I mean fayforn is called the "fell heart of frost who soars on high" so this could strengthen the connection between her and the old hearts