sk-lore

[silk dirge]

i cant tell exactly

[trail wagon]

wait whaaat

it wasn't there before

also, I wanted to say something about the HK Wiki, sometimes they get some stuff wrong

[visual glacier]

What’s up

[trail wagon]

I've seen a post on some YT channel talking about how some cut rooms weren't what they described them as on the Wiki

It wasn't that big of a deal though

[visual glacier]

Yeah I know that guy

[trail wagon]

Some Choral Chamber cut things

[visual glacier]

He’s pretty specific on things

[trail wagon]

Forgot their name

OMG

[silk dirge]

oh yeah the choral chambers rapture lol

[trail wagon]

Where are all of these from???

Did somebody take these pics on the new ACMI?

[visual glacier]

s4v3m3

[trail wagon]

I don't think we've seen it before

[visual glacier]

Why are we discussing cut content in the lore channel

[trail wagon]

This is actually peak

[silk dirge]

this is where cut content tends to be discussed

[edgy nebula]

karak my goat

[visual glacier]

It’s not lore

[covert night]

wow this page has gotten bigger wtf

[silk dirge]

i mean thats just how its seemed for me

[trail wagon]

OMG I can't what is thiiis

[silk dirge]

like the mods seem fine with it

[covert night]

this channel seems to be the only place you can actually discuss things

[trail wagon]

I mean there was some person telling somebody to d!e and mods didn't do anything about it, at least I don't think they did

so probably they don't really pay attention too much

[foggy fractal]

https://mega.nz/folder/edVVRA4B#94IkruvZz5psFJ-Yn9v0fw there seems to be a lot more map screenshots in this document

[trail wagon]

Sorry if I'm asking again, does anybody know any of these rooms?

[timber pond]

yeah IDK to me It seems like VoltNest is similar size. Just more horizontal than vertical

[trail wagon]

Except for the Ocean thing

HOLY

There's a VESSEL?

Submarine???

Omg 😭😭😭

I'm crying

There's no way

[silk dirge]

THATS THE WEIRD ROOM

wtf is that

it looks like far fields but i dont recognize it

[trail wagon]

where is that???

[silk dirge]

i dont know

i found a zoom in of it

wtf is this

[covert night]

i think its a subarea in the gloom

[trail wagon]

where did you find it?

[silk dirge]

in the folder andy sent

[silk dirge]

well then thats extremely strange

[trail wagon]

Oh I haven't looked yet

[silk dirge]

its in a map from august 2025

[trail wagon]

Is it from ACMI?

[foggy fractal]

yes

where else lmao

if only tc would release these just online, I'd be all over that

[silk dirge]

why was a gloom room cut a month before release

[covert night]

i'm thinking of another crest chapel

[unique canopy]

Honestly I think that just looks like a bigger version of the Beast chapel.

[silk dirge]

the problem is its cut a month before release

if something is cut a month before release thats extremely suspicious

[foggy fractal]

what's odd to me is that they cut everything else gloom related earlier on but not this room ?

[silk dirge]

i think this is far fields tbh

i see air vents

and far fields has red spikes

this could be past the karmelita gate thing?

[unique canopy]

Like there's a lot of parts that match up with the existing chapel. Maybe, entirely spitablling here, maybe they intended to make an expanded version of the chapel for the second Beastfly fight, before scapping it and putting it in the Fourth arena?

[trail wagon]

It's Karmelita room

Andy you're the best

Thank you so much

[silk dirge]

yeah that i figured

[trail wagon]

I wasn't sure if it was

[silk dirge]

a month before release tho?

idk

i highly doubt they were modifying any rooms a month before

[covert night]

this looks something that can be interacted

[cedar skiff]

it really feels like there exist two silksongs

[silk dirge]

i mean whatever this room is its possible dlc

[trail wagon]

they were

It's for DLC

now it's basically a fact

[silk dirge]

i mean they cut rooms

but changing existing rooms

[trail wagon]

What is this?

[silk dirge]

whats also weird to me is i cant find nameless town on the august map

[covert night]

maybe they were working on the first dlc before the release who knows

[silk dirge]

like the surface climb is there but i cant see nameless town at the top

[trail wagon]

That's the Bay thing probably

[trail wagon]

Yeah, and no voltnest too

[silk dirge]

which might mean nmtown might be the last thing added

[silk dirge]

well that map just doesnt have internal rooms

other than a weird few

[trail wagon]

It does?

[silk dirge]

brightvein isnt there either

[trail wagon]

It has the surface parcour

[silk dirge]

it has a few weird ones but most internal rooms arent there

[trail wagon]

yeah, some are some aren't

like it has the Organ

[silk dirge]

like brightvein should be very obvious but its nowhere to be found on that map

[trail wagon]

yeah

[cedar skiff]

im still confused about what brightvein is supposed to be lore wise

[trail wagon]

Wait what...?

What is this one

[silk dirge]

exhaust organ

[trail wagon]

Oh right

Sorry ahahah

[foggy fractal]

https://mega.nz/folder/edVVRA4B#94IkruvZz5psFJ-Yn9v0fw/folder/rVsAFISQ based on the document, it was for hunter's nest

[trail wagon]

is this the HH vault?

[silk dirge]

yeah

[silk dirge]

so the karmelita gate IS dlc bait

[trail wagon]

It looks like all of these four are related

There are more then four ahhaha

[cedar skiff]

“Dunno if you've heard it, needle bug, but supposedly there's a gleaming secret hidden at this mountain's core.
Meant to be a marvel, or so my sisters past once told, a giant cavern all of crystal.”

why the fuck does pinstress even know these things

[trail wagon]

wait

[silk dirge]

also why were there bellways in weavenests once

thats weird af

[trail wagon]

There are left

pretty much

Is the big one the Ant nest?

[foggy fractal]

part of hunter's nest

[trail wagon]

Doesn't look like anything tbh

[visual glacier]

“Meant to be a marvel, or so my sisters past once told, a giant cavern all of crystal.”

[trail wagon]

This looks insane

And there's also some sketch of a room below

I don't think it was on the previous map

[silk dirge]

some of these can be identified

this is sprintmaster

[trail wagon]

yeah, that's clear

I mean

I was trying to sort them out

[timber pond]

Guys i just learned they changed how Gurr fights

and added a proepr 2nd phase to his traps

[trail wagon]

when?

in the new patch?

[timber pond]

I think

Now he only throws out 2 traps per attack n a spinning animation

And in 2nd phase it becomes 3

[silk dirge]

ok this is the clawmaiden room

[timber pond]

They actually added a new animation

he dosent just sit tehre and throw 5 at you

[visual glacier]

Yeah this is old news

He spins around

[silk dirge]

also wtf is this

it looks abyss kinda?

[visual glacier]

Here’s the version with border caves

[trail wagon]

Yeah, and there's this thing...

[silk dirge]

first dlc is looking like
-pharloom bay with submarine to lifeblood spire
-hunters nest

[trail wagon]

It kinda looks similar

[silk dirge]

not really

[frosty beacon]

bro we are not getting submarines

[trail wagon]

What is that thing in the background btw? I thought it looked like that thing initially, but it doesn't really

[trail wagon]

I'm getting a bit lost, is it 2025 map?

[silk dirge]

yes

[silk dirge]

i think its a weaver spire

[frosty beacon]

ips this is black egg but i may be stupid

[silk dirge]

we are

[trail wagon]

oh that's this

[trail wagon]

brochacho, we surely are...

[frosty beacon]

wait are we serious
oh hell no we're going into more wormways

[silk dirge]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)/Areas#Pharloom_Bay_Rooms_&_Lab

[frosty beacon]

well yeah i know about cut regions but like

[trail wagon]

All of these things are based on the august map

[frosty beacon]

submarine?

[silk dirge]

yeah

read what i sent

[trail wagon]

Which means they cut it literally a month before the release

[trail wagon]

They wouldn't just randomly throw some ideas to trash literally before the release

[silk dirge]

dustpillow be like

[trail wagon]

I mean it's a small thing

[frosty beacon]

why does ts remind me of rain world

[trail wagon]

And we may still get it

in a DLC

[whole holly]

you can't prove something not being case, this is disingenuous

[trail wagon]

"Nah, let's cut out an entire fast travel mechanic and two cool ass big ass locations for funsies"

[foggy fractal]

which rooms are these ?

[silk dirge]

mist i think

[trail wagon]

The mist

[trail wagon]

It is

[covert night]

act 4 final boss area #hopium

[trail wagon]

I don't think so tbh

But I'm sure there will be a boss

This is where Zylotol's master resides

[frosty beacon]

lost joni :3

[trail wagon]

Literally

[trail wagon]

Ohhh I wish

[trail wagon]

He tells Hornet his master found lifeblood in the farthest part of Pharloom

It's gotta be it

[cedar skiff]

i wish for a plasmium storyline that isnt infection 2.0

[trail wagon]

There's no way it's not what it is

[frosty beacon]

this is where i watched my master die, hornet
shaw-wabummer

[trail wagon]

It looks like the lab is infected though

[frosty beacon]

sorry

[trail wagon]

ahahahha

[covert night]

i mean game needs a new enemy if we'll have epilogue dlc

[trail wagon]

is it this one?

[covert night]

plasmium is not controlled by anyone unlike radiance's infection

[trail wagon]

it might be

but prolly not

I hope it's not

At least it doesn't seem so

Cause Zylotol planted it willingly, I don't think there was anything like that with the Radiance's infection

[covert night]

zylotol is just a crazy scientist who made plasmium stronger, he doesn't control it

[trail wagon]

oh yeah, for sure

I'm not saying he did

[silk dirge]

you know i will say if this submarine cutscene is good enough it might make up for coral gorge

we need to send tc craw summons over coral gorge

i love sands of karak...

but some crimes are unforgivable

[trail wagon]

Alrighty, I'm finally done

[silk dirge]

nice

[trail wagon]

One of the unknown rooms looks a lot like what Weavenest Atla used to have

Like that thing is the centre

It's very important, as far as I can tell

We can see that thing from the first screenshot here

[silk dirge]

oh wait yeah your right

[trail wagon]

It used to connect to the Coral Gorge

I think what is important is the latest updates

Cut stuff is cool, but we won't see something that was cut in 2022 or before almost certainly

[silk dirge]

yeah the august 2025 map is the important shit

[trail wagon]

Yeah

[silk dirge]

but stuff that was cut during the great cut is gone forever probably

[trail wagon]

And maybe some stuff that is similar to what was cut before

[trail wagon]

I mean probably, but they may re-work some things and they may end up in new spots

[silk dirge]

coral gorge copium

[trail wagon]

Honestly, the ACMI screenshots only vaguely showed us that three rooms we couldn't figure out are a part of Hunter's March or some kind of extention, and the rest are pretty much sketches

We see these four, but they're very vague

So that's all we have so far, I think

• Pharloom Bay
• Lab/Lifeblood Spire
• The Gloom (almost certainly transition between Bay and Lab)
• Hunter's March extention
• Four unknown rooms, three of which are probably related to of the new Ocean areas and the last one is very massive and cool and nobody knows what it is

[silk dirge]

good work everyone on figuring this shit out

[silk dirge]

any wiki editors in chat want to get onto these

the first two are in the cut room section but the last 2 arent

[trail wagon]

Thank you :З

[trail wagon]

Idk any :c

[trail wagon]

Also

[silk dirge]

coral gorge 3:

[trail wagon]

Yeaaaah let's hope and pray

[trail wagon]

this spine thing is crazy

[timber pond]

This Might have likely been a way back to hallownest perhaps if its a remnant they still had for that angle

[trail wagon]

Why would that be Hallownest?

[timber pond]

I mean as like a passage

[trail wagon]

I mean probably they were going to add it

but what would it connect to

[timber pond]

IDK why they would need multiple exits

out of the kingdom

[trail wagon]

I mean it looks like it's some corpse

I think we still may get some of these rooms, or at least something somewhat similar

[timber pond]

Yeah i kno, but it weirdly goes off the map like the blasted Steps entrance

[trail wagon]

It would be a very evil trolling if they just kept these two ledges CLEARLY designed to be transitions

[silk dirge]

the ledges were still in use in 2024

one of them lead to voltnest the other to watcher

[trail wagon]

Interesting

[silk dirge]

so in the end nothing actually got cut

[trail wagon]

But they still chose to keep them

what if they're still gonna use them

[silk dirge]

idk

[trail wagon]

I really don't understand why there is no connection between mt Fay and Karak

Why would there not be?

[timber pond]

They always leave tidbits of stuff to add onto because thats how both games developed in the first place

so its not impossible but dont expect it

[wintry plinth]

Surely coral gorge dlc is real...

[timber pond]

Or rather, expect something entirely diffrent in this case

[trail wagon]

ahahahhaa

[trail wagon]

I mean I don't think there will be a huge new part of Karak tbh

But what I find insteresting is that actually the farthest point is this room in Wormways

[left pawn]

The vessel that saved hornet in the true ending doesn’t look like the knight

Is there something that says it’s the knight?

[wintry plinth]

Why does this C tower look like a giant syringe? Is that just me?

[eternal gazelle]

It looks like the knight's shade as shown in dream no more

And there's no reason it would be anybody else

[marble oasis]

The tips of the horns flare a little more upwards instead of inward but other than that they genuinely look identical

[trail wagon]

Hahahhaa it kinda does

[trail wagon]

Anti-silk vaccine, recommended by Khann

[trail wagon]

They look softer now

[trail wagon]

Ahahahaha

[trail wagon]

Their appearance 😝

[craggy smelt]

art creep

[sterile jacinth]

Genuinely what I see lol

[visual glacier]

It definitely is

[stray fog]

Same

[visual glacier]

You aren’t missing out on much

It’s just the dnm shade

[trail wagon]

Nooo it's a brand new secret form of the void god 👀

Was I the only one expecting a Shade Lord fight as the final boss of the game?

[trail wagon]

Still possible in the DLC ofc.. 👀

[visual glacier]

That sounds awful ngl

[craggy smelt]

I don't want to fight TK

because I don't think they should ever lose

fighting THK would be okay

[stray fog]

How is Hornet gonna beat the "god of gods"

A shade lord boss fight would ruin all the aura that the knight has farmed

[visual glacier]

It would also be a shit boss fight lol

Think about all the best bosses, nkg, pv, karmelita, first sinner

They all have something in common

[swift oracle]

Aha... theyre all.. uh. Yea i got nothing

[craggy smelt]

THK, kidnapped by steel masters
they give them a new steel arm
true final DLC boss

[hidden crater]

👀👀👀👀

[hidden crater]

Should have asked 12th architect for an arm smh

[craggy smelt]

no foresight like her dad

[whole holly]

Delicate Flower is how hornet will beat Shade Lord, and Delicate Flower already ruined aura knight has farmed in EtV Delicate Flower endings

[spring merlin]

What’s the pharloom bay submarine that some of you are talking about

Looked through the cut content wiki stuff and didn’t see something like it

[timber pond]

Nah Bro we just need a 3rd Game and hornet needs to save THK at the end so my heart can feel whole.

[timber pond]

If they Gonna make The vessels Feel for real why do they gotta Leave THK out huh?

[regal crow]

What exactly is the Verdania memory? Is it GP remembering pre-citadel verdania?

[tough elm]

What do you think are the chances of one of the dlcs adding more to the coral tower like was originally planned?

[pliant meadow]

Yep

[toxic mulch]

Imo pretty high but I doubt it'll be massive,probably in line with verdania,if I had to guess we'll also have a small memory section added for hunters march

[silk dirge]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)/Areas#Pharloom_Bay_Rooms_&_Lab

[muted lantern]

Aside from the tree hearts, who else are backer characters

[pliant meadow]

Seth

(Kinda)

[hushed crater]

They would definitely add the steel assassin in a dlc ig

He will be backer

[muted lantern]

I'm asking if there are any backer characters in the game rn other than the 3 hearts and seth

[hushed crater]

Ik just saying

[muted lantern]

Is that all of em? Just those 4? Man there's a lot less than in the original, ig there was only one kickstarter

[spare anvil]

is hornet a guy

[drifting apex]

No it's a girl

[spark valve]

seth isn't even a backer character but sharpe would have been if he wasn't cut

[snow sonnet]

The only backer characters are Khann and Karmelita p much

[hushed viper]

chat is sprintsmaster content act 3 exclusive?

cuz i cant see a way to get there without silk soar

oh yup 1 mask is act 3 exlusive from the looks of it

[drifting apex]

Are the guard bugs in the slab also under the influence of gms or they can think independently?

[solar tapir]

under gms

iirc

but initially they worked there under the influence of the citadel's religion

they did some sin and doomed to repay it forever

and then came gms

[drifting apex]

The weaver statues we see across pharloom. Is the purpose of those statues to keep weavers who rebelled against the citadel sealed in them?

[heavy gyro]

No

They are shrines

and the weavers created the citadel

They never rebelled against it

Except first sinner kinda

[drifting apex]

but they do speak kind of? Before you try to bind them and if you play needolin

[heavy gyro]

Yeah there are actual weavers in there

And hornet binds them to gain power

[drifting apex]

What was the point of making those shrines and keeping the weavers in them?

[drifting apex]

Well maybe first sinner influenced some of the other weavers as well. But if that's true then it doesn't make sense why only the first sinner is in the slab while the others are scattered across pharloom

[heavy gyro]

It seems like those weavers were meant to watch over pilgrims

iirc

[stray fog]

They were also there to offer powerups to whichever "daughter of a distant land" would come to kill gms

[solar tapir]

Some of them hoped for a return of powerful kin capable of defeat gms, and so they graved themself in shrines to be source of power for that kin. And that kin happened to be Hornet

[dry bridge]

The weaver spires, if they ever served a purpose beyond holding a weaver, were probably outposts or shrines for pilgrims to visit along the way. The weavers preserved in there seem to mostly be in order to pass on skills to the weavers that they hope will eventually return to pharloom and free them from gms.

[drifting apex]

So all these shrines were made before the creation of the citadel?

[stray fog]

I dont think so

[solar tapir]

After

atleast weavers graved in them were after

[drifting apex]

So after gms kind of awakened from her sleep?

[stray fog]

If they planned for a weaver descendant from another land to free them in the future, that means that the spires were built after they decided to flee to other kingdoms

[solar tapir]

After they fled

some of them stays

[drifting apex]

Hmmm

[solar tapir]

the ones in shrines

[dry bridge]

I feel like its also worth noting that iirc first sinner is also preserved in the same way that a spire weaver is, thought I dunno what the implications there are given shes also in a multi-chained prison

[unique canopy]

At the very least, the shrines seem to have been made before the expansion of the Citadel, since the clawline shrine has had the Underworks built around it with part of it crumbling.

[heavy gyro]

Maybe that preservation is a way for her to not die, which would allow for her to not have absolution at all

[drifting apex]

So did something go wrong with their plan? I mean they sealed gms and ruled over pharloom but then decided to flee

[stray fog]

Absolution was denied to the first sinner, so maybe they didn't even let her die and kept her alive in a stasis

[stray fog]

Nvm Im slow

[solar tapir]

They became a slaves to their own plan. Keeping gms in slumber forever is impossible and not a freedom they wanted. So they handed over their rulership to conductors and fled from Pharloom.

[drifting apex]

Ahh makes sense

That's kinda funny they just handed it over like that and dipped

Do all bugs of the citadel have silk in them? From the whiteward experiments?

[heavy gyro]

Probably not all since some citadel bugs aren't haunted

Or atleast some have lower concentrations of it

[drifting apex]

Are silk flies a result of this experiment?

[frigid belfry]

implied yes

aging bugs were turned into silk flies using a machine found in a hidden whiteward room

their souls are still kept in the silk

these were used to make automatons

[drifting apex]

Did the weavers also have a hand in that? And also the experiments in whiteward?

[frigid belfry]

perhaps

the point of the experiment was to maximize productivity of the citadels workers, even after they were unable to work

capitalism essentially

both the weavers and conductors likely had a hand in this

[solar tapir]

Implied that they atleast still has their rulership over citadel when experiments happened

[drifting apex]

Hmm

[solar tapir]

they have silkflies in their weavenests

[safe dock]

So what is exactly the Threefold Melody? Is it what keeps GMS sleeping?
I'm kinda confused on why are this 3 melodies so important, since it looks like every bug was requested to sing forever and they don't know the Threefold Melody, so I assume what keeps her sleeping is another song

[sinful nimbus]

The pontiff of the Whispering Vaults died after gleaming that the threefold melody kept her asleep so yeah

I imagine there can be more than one song that will keep her asleep

[frosty gate]

Most likely, it's been pointed out how Whiteward has Weavenest architecture

[safe dock]

Yeah that's what I imagined
So I'd love to hear thoughts on what is the Threefold Melody and who created it

[solar tapir]

iirc yes that melody is what keeps gms in sleep. I somwhere heard that cogwork is constant playing that melody, not the pilgrims anymore.

or the melody itself is part of some song. Not sure about this topic

[drifting apex]

Maybe that's why gms slowly awakened

[frosty gate]

I never thought about that, what the hell is the TFMelody

[drifting apex]

Are all bugs capable of being victims of the haunting or only those with some amount of silk in them

[safe dock]

but then hornet wouldn't need to search for it on all corners of the citadel, she would figure it out just listening to the cogwork, right?

[frosty gate]

Ok, time to throw spagethi at the wall until something sticks

What if the Threefold melody isn't what keeps GMS asleep, but it's just a song to ascend and see her personally?

[safe dock]

in my interpretation is just the ones that are devout in some level since there are a lot of bugs who arent haunted

[solar tapir]

I doubt she would. I doubt you can even hear the melody that way, maybe it playing somewhere else in the core

[frosty gate]

I'm pretty sure it's everyone, but you have to be weakminded, similar to Rad

[solar tapir]

not sure about it at all

[frosty gate]

I mean, Forge Daugther and her buddy are still up and going

And they have silk

[drifting apex]

Iirc there was some line with the caretaker that implied that it's possible to take control of so many bugs bcs the descendants of the bugs who had silk inside them due to whiteward also had some silk in them as well

[safe dock]

that would make sense
maybe it was created by the weavers and only them knew it, but decided to share it amongst the 3 powers of the citadel so a future weaver-descendent could figure it out

[solar tapir]

Have they?

[safe dock]

but we don't have any evidence

[drifting apex]

True

Haunting also affects the skarr bugs right

[frosty gate]

Of course, they're Dock workers, all Dock Workers have silk in them because they're citadel descendants

[drifting apex]

But I don't think they would have any devotion to the citadel

[frosty gate]

Yes, it's unclear if they have Silk or not

[frosty gate]

Oh actually it makes even more sense than I thought actually, the Pontiff might've just gone up

[sterile jacinth]

They have soul which is just silk in a different form

[frosty gate]

Seen the truth himself then cursed the Weavers

[solar tapir]

I thought dock workers from another settlement near the citadel. forge daughter mentions something about it. Or i completely miss remember it

[frosty gate]

The other settlement is probably still descendants of the citadel

[frigid belfry]

yes they are

[solar tapir]

Shakras tribe is independent for example

may be forge guys too

[frosty gate]

Yeah but Shakra's tribe is probably not even close

They're implied to be nomadic

Or at the very least, very far away from Pharloom

They just travel a lot

Cartographers after all

[drifting apex]

What are the quarter part and eighth part supposed to mean?

[frigid belfry]

||genetics, quarter is someone who's grand parent is a weaver||

eighth would be great grandparent

[drifting apex]

I thought it was near impossible for weavers to reproduce

[wise sand]

Near not impossible

[frigid belfry]

near impossible, not impossible

[quick geyser]

Hornet is described as “weaver in half part”. So like I supposed the weaver just mated with other species. And their the weaver part children just continue to do that

[sterile jacinth]

It is

[drifting apex]

Hmm

[frigid belfry]

we know at least 5 weavers had children, out of maybe the tens or even hundreds that existed

[sterile jacinth]

I guess that’s why there’s so few weaver descendants mentioned

[drifting apex]

Who are the 5?

[sterile jacinth]

The little weavers in hallownest could be the result of weavers and native deepnest spiders

[frigid belfry]

4 in the cradle + herrah

[drifting apex]

Oh I completely forgot they existed

[unique canopy]

If that were true then Hornet wouldn't exist

[solar tapir]

i reread forge daugther lines. For me it seems that this guys is independent

[sterile jacinth]

near impossible

[solar tapir]

just hired for their skills

[drifting apex]

My headcanon was it was possible because of the involvement of a higher being

[sterile jacinth]

There are more weaverkin

[frigid belfry]

its likely herrah wanted pk because a hb child would make the process easier

we know the other weavers wanted this because of gms

[sterile jacinth]

I think it was because having a half higher being child is suddenly a ton of power in your court

Yea

[frigid belfry]

but herrah likely wasnt influenced by her clan, she simply wanted a daughter

!wiki redmemory

[quick geyser]

Not very related, but Am I the only one who think that getting to see other weaver descendants (that are like half normal bug) is sick asf? Like the potential is unlimited

[frigid belfry]

bot do something

!wiki red_memory

!wiki red memory

[quick geyser]

😭

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Red_Memory

Hollow Knight Wiki

Red Memory

Red Memory is an area in Hollow Knight: Silksong visited as part of the Act 3 plotline. In it, Hornet journeys through her own memories to find the Everbloom.

Connection

Bone Bottom (out-of-universe)

​

Music

Ambience

[Missing information]

Main

Red Memory

[frigid belfry]

good bot

[sterile jacinth]

I hope we see other weaver kin that would be cool

[frigid belfry]

"..Ignore them, daughter... their whispers...

...Greater, grander... Weaver, guardian, queen... Those are their desires... not your own. Certainly not mine...
...Only if you resist them, you might see it, another hope... beyond...
...But to recall these words, in time so far... Will you even remember me, child? Could you?...
...A mother... before the mask... before I lay forever in duty..." -herrah

[solar tapir]

potential for some cool char or boss yes

[frigid belfry]

here herrah implies she wanted a daughter before a being to usurp gms, and that herrah looks different under the mask

[solar tapir]

Or maybe a cameo in some different story game

third part maybe

[frosty gate]

Can you point me out which one?

[quick geyser]

“Only if you resist them, you might see it, another hope beyond…” Geez, look like Herrah did foresee GMS coming for Hornet

[pale pier]

theory,,

is leg eater and greyroot related

[quick geyser]

What was he cooking

[frigid belfry]

leg eater resembles some kind of mantis

greyroot is a root

tree-like sapience

greyroot at the white lady are likely related

[pale pier]

wait

is leg eatrer and divine related then

[pale pier]

im sure they are

[quick geyser]

Actually, Can someone explain to me what Herrah dialogue mean from a writing perspective for me? That would be helpful

[pale pier]

the even have the same mask

[solar tapir]

mentioned the other lands around, trade. They seem to me like some mercenaries

[frosty gate]

Oh I just saw it, "Forgehome" that sounds interesting.
Forge Daugther might be from outside, but the rest of the workers might be Pharloom bugs

[sterile jacinth]

Leg eater doesn’t have a mask

[solar tapir]

their Ancient line too

[frosty gate]

Let's not confuse Forget Daugther's "Ours" and "We" with actual plurals, she just speaks of herself in plural for some reason

She doesn't mean everyone in the Docks, she speaks of herself

[sterile jacinth]

Divine is probably a termite

Like a queen termite

[solar tapir]

So u mean they are just common bug with bells helmets

[frigid belfry]

sure
"..Ignore them, daughter... their whispers...
the other weavers wanted a weaver that could usurp grand mother silk, they wanted hornet to be their queen and fulfill their desire, herrah was an actual good mother and wanted hornet to fulfill her own desires
...Greater, grander... Weaver, guardian, queen... Those are their desires... not your own. Certainly not mine...
she confirms this here, that herrah never wanted hornet to become the new weaver queen by binding gms
...But to recall these words, in time so far... Will you even remember me, child? Could you?...
herrah implies since hornet is young, she may not recall this conversation
****...A mother... before the mask... before I lay forever in duty..." **she reinstates she is a mother before a leader, the says she will become a dreamer to a young hornet

[solar tapir]

strange a bit

[unique canopy]

Typically this is done when someone is speaking in their official capacity as the leader of some area. For example, a monarch uses "we" because they're speaking on behalf of their entire country: their will is the country's will. So Forge Daughter is speaking as leader of the Deep Docks.

[solar tapir]

all guys seems to be different from pilgrims for example

[frosty gate]

And yet, she isn't

The Forebrothers are the real leaders of the Deep Docks

[solar tapir]

i believe they fall to the haunting but not from silk, they didnt have it

[quick geyser]

Thank you good sir

[solar tapir]

Haunting itself is strange to me to be honest

[frosty gate]

I'm honestly in no position to say the opposite, I have no proof of it being otherwise

[solar tapir]

not sure how it actually work if victim is not silked

[sterile jacinth]

It’s like the infection. Gms takes control through soul because soul and silk are very similar

Having silk in your shell just makes it easier for her

[solar tapir]

a oh

okey

[frozen hornet]

There's so much silk in Pharloom that it's basically in every bug. Think of it like microplastics.

[sterile jacinth]

That too

[frozen hornet]

Basically mind control microplastics.

[sterile jacinth]

There’s probably something with willpower as well. Like bugs with a stronger will resist the haunting

[sterile jacinth]

Like the Skarr did until Karm got too weak to sing

[solar tapir]

alr, just Rad infection basically but from silk

[sterile jacinth]

Pretty much. And with an overwhelming feeling of sadness instead of rage

[solar tapir]

I think about it actually when play the game first time but i thought it something more different

[sterile jacinth]

Still pretty much as dangerous. Most of the bellhart bugs did not survive the temporary haunting

[frosty gate]

I hate this comparison so much it just works so good

We're gonna all get controlled by a Plastic Higher Being at somepoint

[drifting apex]

Why were the weavers captured by the citadel including hornet?

Was it even THE citadel that ordered the capture or gms

[frozen hornet]

Just don't breathe and eat in and you'll be safe from haunting in Pharloom

[frosty gate]

It kinda is? From what we see it seems Infection makes literal zombies while Haunting just makes a bug be fully alive again? Kinda?

Haunting victims don't behave the same way as Infection victims

[frosty gate]

GMS most likely

I mean, it had to be GMS

[drifting apex]

It seems strange to me why the maker of all weavers would want to get back the weavers in hopes of getting stronger

[frosty gate]

To get their silk

[frozen hornet]

Haunting either infects already alive bugs (with small willpower?) and makes dead bugs alive again (whose lives have been extended with silk?)

[frosty gate]

Also because fuck the Weavers and everyone related

[frosty gate]

Yes, i mean, the Citadel is dead but GMS brings them back and they seem to act exactly how they used to

Then again, City of Tears bugs acted the same way

It was the Crossroads bugs who acted like zombies

[solar tapir]

Silk also reanimate corpe of a bug

[drifting apex]

It still doesn't make sense to me

[solar tapir]

It just didnt decay they minds in to primal state if they are still alive

while haunted

[hardy inlet]

so like is there a spell that makes bugs lose memory when they leave hallownest
cuz im pretty sure the bugs in pharloom are intelligent just like the ones in hallownest yet they didnt get alivened by the pale king

[drifting apex]

What's the point of the haunting anyway? What is gms trying to achieve by controlling the bugs of pharloom

[frosty gate]

After being sealed for who knows how long, GMS was probably weakened to some extent. So, not only was she enraged by the Weavers, she also was weak, so she decided to hunt Weavers to regain her power

[frosty gate]

Worship and killing Hornet

[frozen hornet]

Isn't that the nature of pale beings, to control?

[solar tapir]

The may have intelligent on their own

[frosty gate]

The Hallownest thing is probably propaganda, the memory loss things isn't real

[solar tapir]

While Hallownest one was primal before pk

[hardy inlet]

quirrel?

[hardy inlet]

hmmm

that could make sense

[frosty gate]

That was Monomon's doing

[hardy inlet]

mantises were and still are smart tho

[hardy inlet]

wait what?

[frosty gate]

Probably

[hardy inlet]

why would monomon do that

[hardy inlet]

also can they speak?

[frosty gate]

To protect him until the time is right

[solar tapir]

She gave him mask that prevent losing mind outside of the kingdom completely

just memory loss

pk's spell isnt just propaganda iirc

[frosty gate]

Hornet left Hallownest and remembers everything, though she is special

[frosty gate]

We have no proof of that

[solar tapir]

Maybe, i just remeber it from somewhere

canon or theory, not sure

[frosty gate]

Probably theory, the mask was protection for Monomon

That's what Quirrel says at least

"To save Hallownest, the Teacher willingly became a seal, but upon herself she enacted an additional protection."

The reason why I say Monomon just put a spell on his mind so he could forget is because he can start remembering (and dying) after Monomon is killed

So those two were bound somehow

And before someone brings it up, this doesn't seem to be the case with Seth

We don't know what's up with Seth

I think Hornet just hit him too hard

[frosty gate]

Quite the opposite happens

[stray fog]

I think the bugs that were made sentient by the pale king would lose sentience when outside hallownest, but everyone else will be unaffected

[frosty gate]

Fair assumption

[stray fog]

What if being a higher being was a spectrum? This would explain why-

• hornet is called a higher being by the silksong mask maker. She's not a god or anything, she's just higher than most
• "higher beings these words are for you alone" means that the bugs of hallownest were higher than other bugs because the pale king gave them sentience
• the lore tablet in the pharloom abyss says "we higher who see you seeking". If the weavers wrote that, then it makes sense because they're said to be of a "higher caste". If the ancient civilization wrote that, then idk
• there are multiple mentions of a "higher caste" and "honoured caste", even when these terms refer to non-gods. So maybe they were just higher than normal bugs

All of this is baseless but idc

[frosty gate]

"we higher who see you seeking" which one is this?

Mask Maker doesn't really call her a Higher Being, he calls her Old One and makes mention of "Her Higher Caste"

Also Mask Maker is apparently in a trance while masked?

At the very least he's not "Lucid"

[unique canopy]

The Citadel seemed to have a pseudo-caste system where the Weavers are at the top, then the Conductors, Vaultkeepers, Architects, higher choristors, lesser choristors, pilgrims, etc. Social status rather than power levels.

[heavy gyro]

Nah the hierarchical system for the pilgrims didn't exist when the weavers were in charge

[frosty gate]

What makes you say that?

[heavy gyro]

Pious isamor talks about how all the bugs are equal or something

And that was shortly after the weavers gave away their power

[trail wagon]

You're right sorry

I just wanted some supermassive supercool superepic boss 🙁

[trail wagon]

Isn't Hornet half-higher being?

[unique canopy]

All the pilgrims are, but systems like that have a way of very quickly turning into "some are more more equal than others." After all, even back then Isamor talked about pilgrims joining the eternal choir, and choirs need a conductor to lead them.

[frosty gate]

Isamor is an indoctrination machine

[frosty gate]

half

[heavy gyro]

It seems more like isamor was actually saying the truth and they hid it away after the hierarchy got established but that's my interpretation

[unique canopy]

Since the Weavers were the ones who put the Citadel into the hands of the common bugs, they would've been the ones to decide which common bugs would lead it, and those bugs would have a vested interested in making sure their kind continued to lead it.

[trail wagon]

Also, I found out yesterday that there originally was supposed to be a special state of Judges, when they don't attack Hornet when she passes, if she hasn't killed anybody on her way to the Citadel

[trail wagon]

It's still in the code

[frosty gate]

It's literally an indoctrination machine

"Hark! Pilgrim! You who climb to our eternal embrace, who stand struck before the threshold of our stark Citadel of stone... know your true service may now commence.
Forget... your weary shell. Forgo the urge to still your voice/song... Pharloom commands you to give the greatest gift! Join our chorus! Raise your shell, your voice... and sing!"

[trail wagon]

Yes, but I'm just commenting on her Higher Being status, which means she's not fully a Higher Being

[frosty gate]

Like Isamor is not a person, is an actual machine

Meant to indoctrinate people

[heavy gyro]

Yeah so that would mean that the bugs are encouraged to punish those who try to live above others

[frosty gate]

How so?

[heavy gyro]

Isamor indoctrinates that

[trail wagon]

I know you're already talking about something else, but I wanted to bring that up again, I think Higher Beings are specifically some beings with outstanding powers, and the title of the Higher Being is only passed to their direct descendants

[heavy gyro]

He talks about how the pilgrims must stay vigilant for those bugs that succumb to their selfish desires

[frosty gate]

Those bugs clearly don't include the Weavers who are very much mentioned in this dialogue

"...Dear pilgrim... Dark it seems now... let these words become your guide...
Hear our voice... Let it join your own! Give all (?) of yourself... for great Pharloom, for the first-children who bequeath it to us... for our salvation sure to come!"

This is a reconstruction of his dialogue by the Wiki btw

[heavy gyro]

Yeah because this is after the weavers gave the power to the pilgrims

[frosty gate]

The Red Words are the ones that are added

[frosty gate]

But it doesn't talk about how all bugs are equal

[heavy gyro]

It talks about how all their clothes are plain, how the citadel is bare and unadorned, and how excess is sin

[unique canopy]

Important to differentiate between just pilgrims and all common bugs. Again, the Weavers would've set up their intended hierarchal system for the Citadel before they left, because keeping GMS asleep was too important to just go "okay, it's all yours now, you're all equal, have fun."

[frosty gate]

In other words, "Be obedient to your new masters"

[heavy gyro]

It would be weird to mean that message when right after it talks about punishing those who relent to their desires since that sin spreads like flame

[frosty gate]

I don't understand what you mean by this, all Isamor is saying is to keep working obediently

[heavy gyro]

Yeah isamor wants them to work but it also implies how the bugs used to all be equal, and that it is imperative to punish those who try to relent to their own desires

And since this statue was locked away, it can be inferred it was hidden because the message didn't apply anymore

[unique canopy]

This is something that happens all the time in real life systems. In theory everyone is supposed to be equal. But of course you need someone to lead them, and that person has greater responsibilities, so they should get greater comforts. It's not considered an excess, they're not falling for their own desires, because they're just working on behalf of the entire Citadel, so it's just a little extra to make sure they can do their job as best as they can.
And as the choir progresses, some choristers are identified who have more harmony, or are more responsible, or loyal, or just shut up and do what they're told the best, so those ones are singled out and given a slightly higher role. Again, it's not an excess because they're not having their desires catered, they're just getting a little extra to make sure they can do their jobs for the glory of the Citadel as a whole.
And certainly it would be improper for regular pilgrims to demand greater treatment they haven't earned, because the Conductors were chosen by the Weavers divine heart of the Citadel, so they know what's best, surely their decisions are what's best for the Citadel.

[frosty gate]

Or because the machine was broken

[heavy gyro]

Why would it be in the whispering vaults of all places then

[heavy gyro]

The bugs of the high halls still clearly live a much more lavish life than the underworkers

[sterile jacinth]

Vaults are where you keep things

[unique canopy]

Yeah, because that's the end result of decades, maybe centuries, of corruption. But the early Citadel would've still had a hierarchy, because a choir needs a conductor, and keeping GMS asleep is too important for Weavers to put everything in the hands of anarchy.

[sterile jacinth]

The vaultkeepers themselves seem to hoard knowledge so I doubt they’d want to destroy it

[heavy gyro]

Exactly, they keep knowledge specifically not just random things. The pious isamor is forbidden knowledge that the conductors ensured to hide, similarly to how the weavers hid the truth about the citadel there too

[sterile jacinth]

They’re selfish that way

I really like the trope of a knowledge hoarding character or series of characters

[frosty gate]

Still, I think Isamor just got removed because it was broken and not because some hidden truth.
The message is more about the common pilgrims who got into the Citadel rather than the High Caste, which is just bureaucrats
Indoctrination isn't about what its right, its about obedience.
We don't even know if the High Caste in High Halls were even common pilgrims at some point

It's important to note how Isamor says "Pilgrims" and not bugs.
Bugs are not all equal, because those in High Halls are better than you, Pilgrims, however, are all equal

[unique canopy]

Animal Farm is a fun book to read

[stray fog]

The king of deepnest is also said to be of "honoured caste"

[frosty gate]

Which I'm willing to bet that its just strong/big/powerfull bugs

[stray fog]

The theory still stands

I don't really want to put in any effort in defending the theory because it was just a random thought anyway

[frosty gate]

I mean, I rather stick to "Higher Beings are what one would call Gods"

And there's a bunch of other dudes who are noble enough or powerful enough to be called "Higher" but that doesn't mean they're higher beings

[carmine canopy]

How the hell did that flea get into exhaust organ

[unique canopy]

It didn't, it's on the outside.

[carmine canopy]

How did it go through the mist I mean

[sinful nimbus]

Could've sung

[carmine canopy]

Maybe the fleas name was sam

And sam sung

Galaxy

Why does bell beast give a silk heart

Why didnt bell beast help us before fighting bell eater and only came in at the last moment to steal our kill

[stray fog]

Aura farming

[carmine canopy]

Camper

[silk dirge]

star what do you think of the fact there were hunters nest rooms cut a month before release

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1408103489485279262/1440209388651548782/2025-08_Every_Map_Anomaly_Scroll.mp4?ex=691dfbc4&is=691caa44&hm=932fb254f84aeb3ea170cc77f28277e984781014d02beb141fdfab3564539747&

[sinful nimbus]

hunters march?

kinda unfortunate

[silk dirge]

i believe these are from when it was hunters nests

these rooms have been in the corner since before the great cut

and they were present in the august 2025 map

[twin dragon]

stupid conversation prediction

[twin dragon]

travelling

[carmine canopy]

We called out its name

[silk dirge]

it was probably waiting for the right moment

she was waiting for hornet to weaken it enough and then for the right moment to pounce on it

[twin dragon]

Or maybe she js heard it late

[snow sonnet]

Man I'm starting to make peace with coral being blasted steps/sands of karak but Hunter's Nest got unnecessarily heavily trimmed down

[edgy nebula]

coral steps looked so pretty

sad it was cut

[silk dirge]

cut a month before release is extremely sus tho

[silk dirge]

except the judges

[edgy nebula]

yeah the judges didnt fit

[silk dirge]

the judges did not look like they belonged there lol

[sinful nimbus]

No peace with them we make.

[silk dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/924457324800798731/1440212629439123626/image.png?ex=691dfec8&is=691cad48&hm=c96e84e1ae4494e3beb3ebda19fee5b809c15fce8ab69715712c21a91e2846cc&

[twin dragon]

what the hell is the gloom

[sinful nimbus]

Its a cut area but the image is probably barnacle bay submarine stuff

[silk dirge]

yeah

[edgy nebula]

the gloom seemed cool

[snow sonnet]

Oh ye btw something was interesting found about that "The Gloom" and Lifeblood SPire one

If you zoom in you can actually see some sort of water-vessel that's also present in Pharloom Bay

[sinful nimbus]

Pretty sure the sub is visible if you zoom in

[edgy nebula]

but i like gargant gloom even in the void

[sinful nimbus]

Erm what the 🐌

This was so tuff why did they cut it

[snow sonnet]

Team Cherry: No FUN things ever

[twin dragon]

someone doesn't hate the gloom slugs in the abyss????

Holy shit

[silk dirge]

it was cut in august its coming back lol

[twin dragon]

All i've seen is ppl talk how its ass conceptually

[edgy nebula]

they look cool and they scared the shit out of me in my playthrough

[silk dirge]

there is no way they drop a mention of it in game

when it got cut a month before release

[edgy nebula]

theres no reason for it to be there tho

[silk dirge]

and still have the door to pharloom bay there

if it isn't coming back

[sinful nimbus]

Trypophobia monsters

[twin dragon]

I mean they could

Js like the creepers are there

[sinful nimbus]

I don't like the gloombeasts

[edgy nebula]

trypophobia jumpscare

[silk dirge]

also apparently the slab cutscene was created very close to release

[twin dragon]

I think you've made that clear enough

[silk dirge]

i wonder if that will possibly get implemented

[sinful nimbus]

Do I almost feel fear?

[twin dragon]

Why did they cut it

[silk dirge]

idk tho

[twin dragon]

genuinely

[sinful nimbus]

There's no sound effects for it iirc

[twin dragon]

maybe because they thought it was like

[silk dirge]

maybe they didnt have enough time to add it in or it didnt fit

[twin dragon]

an unnecessary thing

[silk dirge]

yeah

[twin dragon]

since this game already has quite a bunch of cutscenes

[sinful nimbus]

Surely the diving bell cutscene being unskippable is a bug right

[snow sonnet]

The needle upgrade cutscene was unskippable but then they changed it to be skipped, theres always hope

[twin dragon]

its short

What annoys me the most

is the lil hornet weakened state shit at the start of the game and act 3

WHY

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[snow sonnet]

Did we ever get context for that?

[sterile jacinth]

Storytelling

[twin dragon]

hornet is weakened

[silk dirge]

atleast it comforts me that the ledges in coral tower didnt lead to any cool cut shit

[sinful nimbus]

Right after you have to sit through an unskippable fakeout ending with unskippable fakeout credits too

[sterile jacinth]

Hornets just pretty injured at that time

[twin dragon]

You can skip credits though right?

[silk dirge]

they were just previous entrances to voltnest and where watcher wouldve been

[sinful nimbus]

just let me play the game 💔

[twin dragon]

And that's an ending

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think so?

[twin dragon]

Let me rebeat gms rq

and see

[sinful nimbus]

At least its not MGRR

You can alt tab out of it

[twin dragon]

metal gear rising revengeance?

[sinful nimbus]

yes

[twin dragon]

ball

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway the weakened hornet thing is pointless

We already know she was weakened by the cage from Churchkeepers dialogue

[mossy terrace]

you cannot skip credits

[twin dragon]

Should be an option to skip it

or if you

fucking

jump enough

walk it off

[mossy terrace]

girl has cramps give her a moment smh 😔

[sinful nimbus]

They thought they could recapture the tuffness of Hyper Light Drifter slow walking scenes

[twin dragon]

short ahh game

[sterile jacinth]

Period cramps 😔

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet after she starts coughing up silk while walking slowly and then GMS appears and does the 8 arm grab attack

[tepid mountain]

One time right at the beginning would have represented the same thing. Maybe before she first binds with the needle or something.

Three times is crazy.

[drifting apex]

Do we know why the silk fly somehow broke the sealing of the cage hornet was captured in at the beginning of the game?

[twin dragon]

Lace

probably

[sterile jacinth]

Vague magic I think

[twin dragon]

Yeah it should've been ONLY

when she's standing up

[sinful nimbus]

Lace is seen conducting them so she probably sent it but as for the how its not really explained

[twin dragon]

before binding

[sterile jacinth]

Probably something to do with them both being silk

[twin dragon]

Something something silk and song

fucking dies irae motif conducts the silkflies

[snow sonnet]

That soul was a tuff being

[sterile jacinth]

Oh yea something I noticed is at the beginning of the game you sometimes see groups of silk flies that fly away when you get close

It’s probably lace keeping tabs on Hornet

[sinful nimbus]

Or silkflies guiding her

[twin dragon]

as they uh

[sinful nimbus]

That is kinda their purpose

[twin dragon]

were meant to

[sterile jacinth]

That could be the case

[frosty gate]

What we talking about

[sterile jacinth]

Not much

[tepid mountain]

Lace breaking Hornet out is kinda confusing to me. Why not just kill her in the cage, if that was her goal.

I guess “then there wouldn’t be a game” is the real answer, but it just seems odd.

[sterile jacinth]

She was rebelling

Her goal wasn’t to kill Hornet it was to rebel against her mother

[tepid mountain]

And her fights are what, just testing Hornet to make sure she’s strong enough?

[sterile jacinth]

She’s jealous of gms paying more attention to Hornet than her

[sinful nimbus]

How would she kill her in the cage without first busting the cage open

[mossy terrace]

pretty sure it is lace trying to guide her to the first fight. those silkflies go all the way from moss grotto to that first arena, and then you see lace commanding them and singing

[sinful nimbus]

Also Hornet takes a massive fall that leaves her at one mask

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah it does seem like she’s waiting for her

[sinful nimbus]

She very plausibly could've expected Hornet to die there

[sterile jacinth]

Maybe she was trying to see why gms payed more attention to Hornet than her own daughter

[tepid mountain]

But that’s also Lace expecting Hornet to break the bridge in the first place.

[sterile jacinth]

It probably was a bit irrational of lace

[sinful nimbus]

That's not a huge leap imo

I mean she chose that bridge over anywhere else

[sterile jacinth]

She’s jealous and hurt and trying to hurt her mother

[mossy terrace]

i mean it forced hornets power in, break the seal and lace probably expected the power to erupt (?)

[hardy inlet]

why does this happen

[sterile jacinth]

Eva is a failed copy of gms

[hardy inlet]

bad wording

[hardy inlet]

oh

so like shes like lace but instead of trying to be a child she was meant to be gms

she?

idk

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think she expected her to die. I kinda think she just was testing to see what would happen

[hardy inlet]

where did the abyss portal lead btw
the final boss arena?

[sterile jacinth]

Kinda. She was a failed weaver plan to kill gms

[mossy terrace]

i wasnt replying to the dying i was talking abt the bridge breaking

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t really think lace planned that far ahead and it kinda just happened

[twin dragon]

Lace could rlly just travel anywhere to fight her

as we can see her in several places if you skip deep docks

[sterile jacinth]

She probably doesn’t have any problems with haunted bugs

[tepid mountain]

I was thinking “it’s a cage, she can just stab through it,” but I’m dumb and didn’t consider the seal keeping things out. So just ignore that.

[sterile jacinth]

Even if they attacked her she’s fast and deadly

[twin dragon]

I doubt they'd do that

[sterile jacinth]

Yea. We don’t really know lol

[twin dragon]

esp since the haunting is an extension of gms's will

that would be almost as if gms herself started spanking lace

[sterile jacinth]

Wouldn’t be surprised ngl

Considering gms

[twin dragon]

Fuck nah

act 3

[sterile jacinth]

Her love for lace is conditional

Especially considering what happened to phantom

[twin dragon]

She literally chopped off gms's arm and she still wanted her to live

I mean lace was perfect in her eyes

[humble peak]

We don't really know what happened to Phantom

[sterile jacinth]

With the condition she stayed an eternal child

[sterile jacinth]

“Discarded”

[humble peak]

Under what conditions?

[sterile jacinth]

From what I’ve pieced together they weren’t good enough for gms or pissed her off or made her worry they would betray her so gms deliberately forgot and discarded them and tried again with lace

[frosty gate]

Probably the former, we don't know enough about Phantom to claim she was going to betray her

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah

No wonder lace is so traumatized lol

[twin dragon]

I've also thought about this

[mild adder]

It seems phantom was a prototype, unstable and falling apart
or her state in which we find her in is simply due to not having any source of silk to draw upon to sustain herself unlike Lace
in which case all we know is that GMS discarded her

[twin dragon]

lace might have gotten the idea that her mother doesn't love her after finding out about phantom

[tepid mountain]

Would Phantom being discarded and forgotten be the reason that Lace wanted to rebel against GMS?

[tepid mountain]

Lmao I had the same exact thought.

[twin dragon]

And the citadel might've made her more cynical

[sudden delta]

idk i mean Grand Mother silk did create her children like Lace and Phantom bcz of her lonliness and not out of true parental love so yea might be

[sudden delta]

could be most likely

[tepid mountain]

Team Cherry left Phantom’s story so vague because they exist only as Lace characterization.

Phantom Memory DLC when.

[twin dragon]

She does her job well enough

[mild adder]

the organ sleepers will return

[hardy inlet]

why are they sleeping in my organs 😨

[arctic cliff]

Can somebody find this with a better quality, not so pixelated

[stray fog]

If the wastes are just an empty landmass, why are there specific paths to each kingdom

Can't they just go in a straight lime

Or are there caves and tunnels connecting all kingdoms

[frosty gate]

That seems to be the case

Source, Quirrel comic!

The wasteland is probably also not easy to traverse

[stray fog]

Why

[arctic cliff]

Terrifying creatures

[frosty gate]

I mean, "Wastelands" are usually not easy to traverse

[arctic cliff]

Terrifying for piligrims*

Not for Hornets ofc

[arctic cliff]

Did Boon was killed?

I can’t remember

[frosty gate]

Quirrel saved Boon

[arctic cliff]

Oh

W Quirrel

[frosty gate]

And for the record, the things that attacked Boon look really similar to the things near the surface in Silksong

The worm/centipede things

[arctic cliff]

They are the same

[frosty gate]

Most likely

[sterile jacinth]

Where do you read those comics

[frosty gate]

There's only the one, can't remember which page i read it

[sterile jacinth]

Rats 😔

[sinful nimbus]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qK3pRKyEvdIlELbcwBrZBjmgJuLunxLH/view

[silk dirge]

just look it up

yeah

i think skrill are supposed to be a reference to this

and garpids

[sinful nimbus]

I just want to talk about how not tuff this line is

Hornet might've never had the sauce

[snow sonnet]

I really need a second chapter this art was so delicious

[arctic cliff]

Where’s the second chapter?

[snow sonnet]

There is none

yet

[silk dirge]

what would it even be

the second chapter is hk

maybe if they did it for a silksong character

like maybe shakra or sherma or garmond backstory

[frosty gate]

It would be nice honestly. Shakra or Garmond comic would go hard

[silk dirge]

i want to see one for sherma tbh

wtf is this little kid doing in pharloom

wheres his parents

[sterile jacinth]

Going on his pilgrimage

[lethal burrow]

wait tell you learn he's like 23

[limpid summit]

These could totally be the same thing

Skrills idk

[silk dirge]

whats weird is one of them has eyes

which the hunters journal says theyre sightless

but the rest dont

[snow sonnet]

Remember guys they decided Silksong was its own game before hk released it's totally happening guys

Just ignore the last part maybe it's coming with the collector's edition

[silk dirge]

ari actually talked here once wtf

[limpid summit]

In retrospect is this not like Shakra calling Hornet a kid

He’s older than her

[silk dirge]

these are different bugs arent they

i think maybe its just different ages

bc garpedes have eyes in hk

so i feel like what we see in silksong are babies

who dont have eyes

[limpid summit]

Idk you could say sightless =/= eyeless ig?

[silk dirge]

i mean that would make sense

[limpid summit]

The eyes are on “top” anyway so we won’t see them

I think it’s fair to say those are garpids

[silk dirge]

yeah

i feel like maybe garpids are like very young ones

and then quirrel comic is slightly older ones

and then garpedes are like adult ones

[trail wagon]

Hey, do you have Wanderer's Journal too?

[sinful nimbus]

I own the actual book but I don't think there are any legal digital copies of it online

[trail wagon]

Is there a digital version?

Like official digital version

[abstract rivet]

uh

[silk dirge]

i dont think so

[sinful nimbus]

I don't remember there being one?

[trail wagon]

Prolly not

[silk dirge]

silksong merch drop is going to be so good

[abstract rivet]

can we get a return of these comics

[silk dirge]

a beastling plush would go well with my fat seal

[trail wagon]

we NEED a silksong book

[silk dirge]

silksong wanderers journal is probably still like a year away

[trail wagon]

maybe even more

[silk dirge]

i dont think the merch drop will have one

[trail wagon]

Yeah, prolly not

They may drop it much later

[abstract rivet]

dlc expansions are more hype than the game itself

[trail wagon]

Like in 2 years, after one or two DLCs

[abstract rivet]

cus the game was too good

and

you cannot ever stop playinf something too good

[trail wagon]

I mean most people are done with the base game already

[abstract rivet]

so its big sad when content runs out

[abstract rivet]

“2 years 2 dlcs”

do you mean 8 years 1 DLC

[trail wagon]

Yeah I mean I completed the game the first week I think

[trail wagon]

Perhaps

[abstract rivet]

i couldnt complete it the first week due to exams

[trail wagon]

I 100%ed it during the second week I believe

So there wasn't too much content ahahahaha

I wish is was 10 times bigger

[craggy smelt]

I did it myself
#hk-art-gallery message

(but a real one would be okay too, I guess)

[trail wagon]

OMG

It's soo cool

It looks very good

Like incredibly good

Where can I purchase one??

[abstract rivet]

DUDE THATS SO FUCKING COOL

WHAT THE HECK

props to you

[frosty gate]

That's actually really dope, damn

[craggy smelt]

i'll auction off the only copy in the future

[silk dirge]

its so good wtf

[tawdry flare]

That was you???? That’s awesome

[trail wagon]

I mean jokes aside I want to 100% this game

[abstract rivet]

who wouldnt

[lilac hedge]

I want that bruh

[tawdry flare]

Where is The Wall

[craggy smelt]

i wonder how hard it would be for modders to glom both kingdoms together

[trail wagon]

me tooo

[abstract rivet]

they’re both big assets so

[lilac hedge]

Very very very hard

[abstract rivet]

that might take a while

[trail wagon]

I don't think it would be too hard

I have no idea hahahaha

[trail wagon]

Why?

[tawdry flare]

Probably pretty difficult? Depends on how similar Silksong and Voidheart’s level design are under the hood

[trail wagon]

My answer is pure speculation just based on my understanding of how it works

[edgy river]

Ok this is an insane take

I finished it pretty quickly but i played all the time i wasnt at work/college and fully no-lifed during weekends. The game is massive and way bigger than i expected even with all the time in the oven

[abstract rivet]

I want a silksong fanmade area mod with actual quality

[tawdry flare]

Silksong: The Sanctuary

[edgy river]

Idk how much it took u but it took me 60 hours that is longer than most games and i didn't really spend much time in any boss

[trail wagon]

Ohhh I wasn't really serious, what I meant was that I like it so much I would enjoy the game even if it was 10 times bigger

[frosty gate]

Everytime i see this map i get bothered because I keep thinking how whoever made this map didn't understand that Crystal Peak and Howling Cliffs are huge mountains

[trail wagon]

who said they were?

[abstract rivet]

i think the game on average takes 50 hours to beat i dont believe it takes 30 hours

[craggy smelt]

I love it, because whoever made this map understood that both of those huge mountains are still in underground caverns

[trail wagon]

Depends on the ending

[edgy river]

Oh yeah I get that the game was great and I'd be down for a bigger Silksong but it was a lot for a base game (no dlc) compared to HKs

Hope dlc doesn't take long tho

[trail wagon]

Oh yeah, it felt like it was two base games

[edgy river]

But honestly I don't really care that much, it'll come out within my lifetime and it's not like i don't have tons of other great games to play in the meantime

[craggy smelt]

HK DLC was great, but even it didn't really add new areas - Godhome only, really and it's a boss rush gallery
if SS DLC adds full on new areas with enemies and bosses and tools, even one would be pretty amazing

[frosty gate]

Are we even sure it's still underground?

[trail wagon]

Yeah, I hope Silksong DLCs won't be like that

[craggy smelt]

I say 'yes'
underground forever

[trail wagon]

I mean something similar to Grimm Troupe would be cool, but honestly, I don't think it would feel all that significant compared to the entire game

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah the sun is gone /silly

[trail wagon]

There's nothing that would say it isn't

[lilac hedge]

The lifeblood dlc didnt add anything more?

[craggy smelt]

no sun
no sky
only underground bug kingdoms forever

[trail wagon]

There's only one place we know to not be underground, which is THE SURFACE

The rest might very well be underground

[lilac hedge]

Is nameless town near surface

[craggy smelt]

even that

[frosty gate]

You say that and yet there's people who literally say that's still underground

[craggy smelt]

like me

[edgy river]

Tbf im down for smaller dlcs if they come with some nice challenges like PoP or whatever

The one issue I has with SS is that it lacked some "ultimate challenge" areas that i has come to expect from even base HK with White Palace and Colesseum

[trail wagon]

And I'm almost certain there is no surface in Hallownest

[trail wagon]

I know, I've heard some 😭

[craggy smelt]

I don't want anything harder than the path to the surface

path of 'fuck you'