sk-lore

[polar fiber]

shes canonically hornets step-aunt*

[sterile jacinth]

While I don’t ship it they are not biologically related lol

[fallow sphinx]

True

[timber pond]

I mean its Weird for diffrent reasons ,but i suppose.

[sterile jacinth]

I do think lace would tease her about it

[silk dirge]

plus the fact shes a child

[sterile jacinth]

Here we go again

[timber pond]

I just dont think hornet views the world that way,so i find it weird lol.

End sentence

[fallow sphinx]

Exactly, mind of a child, but really insane

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think lace is a child but I don’t think she should be shipped with anyone because girl is NOT mentally suited to be in a relationship

Mind of a child and all that

[fallow sphinx]

She would kill them

[sinful nimbus]

Hey guys who wants to talk about if La"Silk spun child"ce is a child or not

[sterile jacinth]

Yea I don’t think she’d be too fond of that ngl

[lone folio]

"for our steel stronghold we will serve until the last martyrs have been captured and our masters plunge into the deep nothingness below."

[foggy fractal]

what would be Lace's last name be
Lace Silk ?

[fallow sphinx]

Is hornet or lace older btw I was never clear, hornet is very old and so is lace just crazy

[sterile jacinth]

They too will fall. It is inevitable. No matter how they try to prevent it. Pale king and grand mother silk know this too well

[sinful nimbus]

Lace might be older or younger its unclear

[timber pond]

The main argument i see against it is "but er, Thats just a role forced upon her, she can still grow!"

Me:"Ok timmy, can your Muppet grow into an adult?"

[lone folio]

-some random seer from the left side capital of the city of steel

[sterile jacinth]

Hornet is probably older but they’re both pretty old

[sinful nimbus]

Lace is crazy yes she's also mentally a child because GMS made her to be that way

[lone folio]

That's how it goes in hollow knight

[sterile jacinth]

Yea :)

Glory of impermanence

Hubris of thinking you can do anything to prevent it

[sinful nimbus]

Does this mean GMS's first name is Grand

[sterile jacinth]

Hornet king

lol

[fallow sphinx]

Grandmother

[silk dirge]

also real quick you know what this song really reminds me of

[polar fiber]

its 3 spearate words (GMS is, not grandmother)

[sterile jacinth]

It’s two words

[sinful nimbus]

its grand mother two words actually so mother is the middle name

[silk dirge]

https://youtu.be/FjG0ivBT4lQ?si=xq3CcP1bzujuqoyH

[sterile jacinth]

A mother who is grand

[sinful nimbus]

Quiet and Falling gets me every time smh

[fallow sphinx]

Ik but would be fun if it was

[timber pond]

Im thinking They are remnants of The AC Puppeting around a civlization. Hence "undead" But thats just me.

[sinful nimbus]

If we ignore Chicory its Lena Raine's best work

[sterile jacinth]

That would be interesting

[silk dirge]

mirror temple b side is so funny with how much the contrast is

mirror temple a side: depressing and scary
mirror temple b side: ABSOLUTE BANGER TIME

[foggy fractal]

who is chicory

[sinful nimbus]

rabbit

[lone folio]

They do seem to be the most powerful kingdoms if not the most powerful. Though if void is the reason then it won't end well and history will repeat again

[foggy fractal]

so you're telling me that we aren't chicory ?
that we aren't the hollow knight ?
that we aren't the silksong ?

[timber pond]

I personally think the masters are a shade fusion of a buncha Bugs who threw themselves into the void. So maybe? if thats true then They are unprecedented.

[sinful nimbus]

We are the hungry knight...

[foggy fractal]

TUFF

[silk dirge]

you shall taste the blinding light that plagues their dreams
you are the vessel
you are the hungry knight

-probably nuu

[timber pond]

The Hollow Knight will become a Gourmet in the next game and eat all of the Steel Kingdoms delicacy's, turning him into Hungry Knight 🔥

[lone folio]

If this is true then I'm guessing that they will try and summon shadelord/knight and it will completely destroy the kingdom after being rudely summoned from the abyss

[unique canopy]

I find it interesting that Zi specifically uses the word "tarnished" to refer to Sula after summoning void.
Tarnished silverware is specifically sulfite chemically.
Sulfur is frequently associated with hell Biblically.
And Australia just discovered a new species of bee with horns on its head that they're calling the Lucifer bee.
This probably means nothing.

[sinful nimbus]

Boon cooking game

I've been saying this since forever

[silk dirge]

can we invite mergwin over to cook

[timber pond]

I do not want to see boon eat

[silk dirge]

or do we never let mergwin cook again

im on side never let mergwin cook again

[sinful nimbus]

Mergwin can make dessert

No Mergwin's meal looked delectable don't lie

[timber pond]

True though

[silk dirge]

ITS FUCKING POISON

[midnight zinc]

This and Exhale are heavenly tracks

[silk dirge]

go eat that and see what happens

[sinful nimbus]

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

[unique canopy]

If Mergwin makes us hunt down five rare ingredients from all over Pharloom just to turn it into a 1950s Stepford wives jello casserole, he should never be allowed within a mile of the nearest kitchen

[silk dirge]

what if it does kill you

[foggy fractal]

epic fail

[sinful nimbus]

If I die I die

[silk dirge]

fair enough

[sinful nimbus]

Those who do not have the strong stomach to match their palate are not worthy

[fathom hill]

you may be onto something

but im too music deaf to actually tell

[foggy fractal]

crazy to me that Huntress was supposed to be in far fields, that riddle gif looked nothing like far fields at all 😭 tbf that was a while ago

[sinful nimbus]

what 😭

[silk dirge]

i mean look at fourth chorus in the reveal trailer

[foggy fractal]

suspicously huntress shaped pixels

[silk dirge]

if there were fields that were far i was not seeing the fields

[sinful nimbus]

[craggy smelt]

you did originally enter her lair from the right...

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe she really was going to give the journal

[lone folio]

That's just a very huntress shaped rock

[sinful nimbus]

In the Mirror

[foggy fractal]

I wish we had high quality scans of these early maps I would look at them for days

[fathom hill]

arent these images from the huhh

the museum thing?

fly to australia

[dark dragon]

Silksong lore: Big spider goddess makes spiderlings, spiderlings trap big spider goddess, 3 random dudes become leaders and destroy the kingdom, big spider goddess is free, cute red spider defeats big spider goddess, big spider goddess daughter becomes black, big spider goddess daughter becomes white again from cute red spider

[sinful nimbus]

You can't get me to willingly play 5A unless I'm on a new playthrough but wow its an experience

[silk dirge]

im going to actually punch past me for spoiling everything after chapter 6 for myself

chapter 6 is so peak

[foggy fractal]

iirc it's still not that high quality in person

but maybe it's just everyone's recording/images sucked

[fathom hill]

I mean yah

its a screen no? quality may be affected

maybe irl its much sharper but what do i know

Also im pretty sure you can zoom on these no?

or am i misremembering

[foggy fractal]

yes but still

look at the finger's quality compared to the map quality

I don't think this is just a bad recording problem

[lone folio]

Hmm

[fathom hill]

i dont think tc sent a bad res photo for the showcase though

[sinful nimbus]

Holy beautiful

[fathom hill]

or idk maybe they did

it would just be weird

[sinful nimbus]

TC when they have to make the birthplace of the Citadel more than 2 rooms

[timber pond]

This kind of confirms they were thinking about the abyss Before they delayed the game in 2023

[foggy fractal]

the ever elusive Lab/lifeblood tower...

[craggy smelt]

they probably had Abyss plans from the start
a hold-over from when it was DLC

[sinful nimbus]

Notice how as soon as they cut Coral Gorge they started adding mid to their game (Wormways, Abyss, Bilewater). Curious.

[craggy smelt]

wormways is delightful and bilewater is tremendous

[timber pond]

They didnt really add wormways

[craggy smelt]

can't wait to go back

[timber pond]

It was always there, they just cut the "aspid" part out and made it verdania.

Which TBH lets be real, verdania is more intrestind than some random aspid grove IMO

[sinful nimbus]

Memoryslop

[timber pond]

ASpidslop

[fathom hill]

next dlc trust

[timber pond]

Who TF would want aspids

[fathom hill]

with the bay

[fathom hill]

I

[sinful nimbus]

Please give me empty rooms with random orb minigames a bad miniboss no items and a recycled boss from the midgame 😍

[fathom hill]

I do

tf you pointing the gun for

[sinful nimbus]

Its not just aspids

[timber pond]

Its a Secret Dungeon

[sinful nimbus]

Zelda dungeons have stuff in them 🥱 🥱 🥱

And good bosses

[timber pond]

Clover Dancers is a better recyled boss than what we got in hollow knight mate

[foggy fractal]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)/Areas have you seen the fucking water-vessel 😭 submarines in my silksong ?? (its under the pharloom bay rooms & lab section)

[timber pond]

The endgame HK bosses? fucking same 3 dudes

[fathom hill]

crazy take

[timber pond]

But one guy now summons orange blobs sometimes

[fathom hill]

unless youre ignoring godhome

[craggy smelt]

is there a connection between moss grotto and Verdania? A surviving offshoot?
or are these eggs different enough

[timber pond]

Base game

[fathom hill]

yah yah

[sinful nimbus]

Holy mother of tuff

[silk dirge]

what the fuck was even there before bilewater

[timber pond]

Like the 3 main dream bosses in Hollow Knight are worse reuses than what we have in base Silksong

[silk dirge]

gloom existed for like a month in 2019

was it just more sinners road

[fathom hill]

oh i like them

[sinful nimbus]

Lost Kin and Soul Tyrant are a lot more interesting than their counterparts

Failed Champion is a low bar to pass

[timber pond]

yeah im not saying they are bad.

[sterile jacinth]

There’s also some Verdania things by the place you get the wanderers crest

[silk dirge]

whos the counterpart for lost kin

[fathom hill]

except maybe huhh the big one with the hammer

[craggy smelt]

failed champion is an upgrade, soul tyrant is the same, lost kin is worse (pretty sure they removed attacks for this nongendered entity)

[sinful nimbus]

Broken Vessel

[fathom hill]

that one is just faster and does two dmg now

[sterile jacinth]

Phantom

[silk dirge]

oh wait

i thought you meant in silksong lol

[covert night]

lost mid

[fathom hill]

but also you have to admit that the ones that suck, suck real bad

what even is zango or palestag dude

[sinful nimbus]

lost kin is a girl actually 🤓

[foggy fractal]

PEAK tyrant
ost is so good 😋

[craggy smelt]

Boston

[timber pond]

So youa re saying that the normal bosses are just not good? IDK , i view Clover Dancers Vs Cogwork dancers the same way i View Broen Vessel VS lost kin. ther eis nothing wrong with it

[fathom hill]

and those are act 3, so late game

[covert night]

literally the two worst bosses in the franchise

[sinful nimbus]

tbf most of the issues with Lost Kin come from the music guy

[covert night]

palestag is such a wasted potential

[sinful nimbus]

Can't really fault TC they did the best they could

[fathom hill]

aside from that one crawler in the ceiling

[timber pond]

I dont even consider those bosses TBH.

[fathom hill]

that shouldnt even be counted

[silk dirge]

craggler is not a boss

[sterile jacinth]

I really like lost kin music

[timber pond]

I never even considred MAssive Moss charger a boss

[covert night]

i would count that as a mini boss

[silk dirge]

craggler is a fucking environmental hazard that can be killed

[sterile jacinth]

What about voided moss mother

[silk dirge]

its not a boss

[fathom hill]

yah and they made it to godhome lol

[sinful nimbus]

Clover Dancers plays very similarly and doens't shake up the fight or make it harder nearly as much

[fathom hill]

please tc dont do that with the crawler guy

[timber pond]

I question that to this day

[fathom hill]

please dont

[covert night]

if i see crawler in the godhome arena i'm uninstalling

[timber pond]

I can say the same Thing for Lost kin

[silk dirge]

i highly doubt craggler is getting soul warrior treatement

[fathom hill]

Is there a voided moss mother?

[silk dirge]

if any boss is getting soul warrior treatment its gonna be a fucking like

[craggy smelt]

down in moss town in act 3

[silk dirge]

buffed skarrgard

[sterile jacinth]

In act 3 in moss grotto yes lol

[fathom hill]

oh cool

[craggy smelt]

eh

[fathom hill]

i thought the only one was with the two of them

like refight

[sterile jacinth]

I wouldn’t mind fighting skarrguard in a hall of gods type of thing

[sinful nimbus]

Well icl Lost Kin should've been the default version of the fight

[fathom hill]

idk i dont count voided bosses

ik lugoli gets that treatment as well

[sinful nimbus]

Broken Vessel is literally a greenpath boss that they moved to Ancient Basin and called it a day

[covert night]

voided moss mother appears in a different location tho

[silk dirge]

bro we about to get some fire dlc wtf

[fathom hill]

real

[covert night]

always bet on epilogue dlc

[silk dirge]

were gonna take a fucking submarine to lifeblood tower or smth

[fathom hill]

god i hope so

[timber pond]

By Comparsions sake though, im going to say that The hearts are better done equivalents than The fucking dream fights in HK though. like 100% better.

[fathom hill]

we gonna dive again

[sinful nimbus]

Green Prince is the only boss where its really comparable

and its uh not good

[silk dirge]

this is gonna be so peak

[fathom hill]

yah green prince is kind of just ok

maybe should have added another stage

[silk dirge]

these are all from august 2025

[foggy fractal]

watch it get scrapped forever
tc just forgot to delete these rooms one month before release trust

[silk dirge]

if this isn't dlc i will genuinely be shocked

[fathom hill]

huh? and these?

[silk dirge]

they were seen modifying something called "bay" in the code

[sinful nimbus]

And uh for such a story relevant boss you'd expect it to be given more attention than a random Soul Master rematch

[silk dirge]

so im gonna trust

[fathom hill]

glowing bodies or something

[covert night]

i agree i don't think all of these will be added

[foggy fractal]

yeah I heard this before but I'm not smart enough to be able to confirm it for myself

[timber pond]

All the hearts are comparable Because The way they Function VS the first games Boss refights are Extremely Similar. At least with The hearts, Theres something uniqe about each encounter before and During.

[covert night]

wait what

[fathom hill]

also

trobbio whatsapp

[foggy fractal]

seems to be some sort of submarine

[sinful nimbus]

Karmelita Khann and Nyleth aren't rematches of anything

[foggy fractal]

rematching my expectations

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[fathom hill]

holy

[craggy smelt]

diving shell

[timber pond]

Yeah but The place in the game you Do The refights and hearts is similar is what im saying.

[fathom hill]

then we will go in the submarine?

[timber pond]

So what we got here was better

[sinful nimbus]

Sure

[fathom hill]

please be it the travel method only

[craggy smelt]

those regions on the left look very beautiful

[fathom hill]

i dont wanna be controlling a submarine instead of hornet

[craggy smelt]

submarine minigame is where this game truly comes alive

[fathom hill]

noo

[foggy fractal]

the left most room seems very tall and narrow, wonder what's up with it

[silk dirge]

i feel like maybe what happened is the submarine needed a lot of work still

and they just couldnt get it done in a reasonable time frame

[covert night]

path of pain equivalent maybe

[craggy smelt]

maybe you're going up with it

[fathom hill]

this i believe

[craggy smelt]

path of submarine

[fathom hill]

they were 80% done with it but it still needed enough polish to leave it out

[sinful nimbus]

should've delayed to 2027

Not that hard to type up a tweet saying hey gang blah blah blah game need more polish we love you

[foggy fractal]

if we do get a pharloom bay & lab dlc I wonder what Zylotol's master is gonna be like

[timber pond]

I mean it dosent matter regardless, because the vision of what it is will still be in the game before long.

[silk dirge]

lifeblood creature

[fathom hill]

you and i know they wouldnt have done that

[timber pond]

No one even remembers BAse HK much like how no one remembers weaver history lol

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah cuz they were deadset on creating a third rushed game

Do they still think they're doing gamejams

[fathom hill]

defo

[silk dirge]

i wonder what this was planned to be

[fathom hill]

Now i wonder how much will they get with the dlc releases

6 months? a year?

[silk dirge]

the cut room in bellhart seems like it was probably just an early version of where you got the longpin from

[sinful nimbus]

karak npc

[silk dirge]

talking voltvyrm

[sinful nimbus]

Voltling

Talks about their malleable nature and reveals that yes Voltvyrm really is a wyrm

[foggy fractal]

first dlc 6months+ guranteed, maybe around 1 and a half years

[dull sage]

maybe it was a scratched version of the voltnest

like where it was supposed to be

[covert night]

i wouldnt say it's rushed. main story is complete

[timber pond]

If you remember, or were even there, fot the First Hks stuff, Hidden Dreams released Shortly after the next year started and Grim Troupe Was The following october, Then Godmaster in mid 2018

[craggy smelt]

voltvyrm becomes the voltking

builds a little sand castle

it all goes to shit

[silk dirge]

nah voltnest used to be a lot larger and connected to coral tower

[dull sage]

fr

[craggy smelt]

that's what that little ledge is for...!

[covert night]

bigger volt area would be fire

[dull sage]

true voltnest was so small

like the memorium was bigger in that section imo

[timber pond]

The Coral Gorge memory Room

[silk dirge]

i think one of the ledges in coral tower used to lead to watcher

[dull sage]

type man

[silk dirge]

map from february 2024

[dull sage]

dang

[fathom hill]

4-6 months time between dlcs (on each other) and release with first dlc

so yeah maybe

but on the other hand we dont know how big these are compared to hk's own

[covert night]

i want the volthome...

[silk dirge]

i mean if first dlc is pharloom bay that probably isnt going to be too long

that already looks quite developed

[fathom hill]

yah

[dull sage]

frfr

[covert night]

i think we'll have bigger dlcs

[fathom hill]

oh dlcs may be bigger indeed but

[dull sage]

I think so

[fathom hill]

maybe some like the pharloom bay one or hopefully what became of the coral area will take less time

[dull sage]

silksong seemed a bit shorter compared to hk

[fathom hill]

since as said they already pretty developed

[fathom hill]

maybe its your perception compared since in hk you go a lot slower

I also felt like ss was comparatively shorter but i dont think so

[dull sage]

maybe they will make that, sands of karak dropped a kinda small lore drop (in my opinion)

[fathom hill]

Oh maybe if you do story only it could?

[dull sage]

yeah fr

[fathom hill]

you can skip karak, mount fay and bilewater to get an ending

so the game ends quite early on itself, if anything

[dull sage]

yeah

but like even though

i did EVERYTHING

and beat silksong 100% in 80 hours

and like it was a blind playthrough

[fathom hill]

Idk then man

[dull sage]

anyways lets continue through voltnest

what would a bigger voltnest be, since most of the things we get from it are like not too many

[fathom hill]

better boss

did voltnest have enemies?

[dull sage]

just a journal entry and volt filament

[fathom hill]

or was it enviromental hazard only

[dull sage]

volt nest was js a parkour sesh and then the boss fight

nothing more

[sterile jacinth]

What about a Karaka or like keeper or something like fluke hermit

[silk dirge]

why was this cut

[dull sage]

huh

[sterile jacinth]

They weren’t

[dull sage]

i feel like killed those

[silk dirge]

the journal entry was

[sterile jacinth]

Yea I definitely fought those guys

Aah

[silk dirge]

thats what this is referring to

they have the same entry in act 2 and 3

[dull sage]

i think its wrong

they appeared on act 3

[silk dirge]

but in act 3 they have a cut entry that makes more sense

[dull sage]

i had to farm them for hunter memento

i swear

[covert night]

why does this makes more sense

[fathom hill]

maybe the way you would free them was different

[dull sage]

lemme take a look

[silk dirge]

maybe

[fathom hill]

Only thing different is the first half right?

Now it really was just directly Hornet's doing, rather than hornet's fault for the void and freeing them as consequence

[craggy smelt]

its her fault in the end either way - may as well just keep the entry simple

[fathom hill]

yah

i like that entry

is fun

[placid meadow]

Guys, I have confirmation that Grand Mother Silk isn't a grandma but rather a Mother Superior

All thanks to the french translation

[dull sage]

wdym

[placid meadow]

Mère Supérieure Soie = Mother Superior Silk

[dull sage]

fr

[placid meadow]

Basically in a coven , a Mother Superior is basically the head of the nuns

[dull sage]

i think the grand mother is for she is a grand=very special or smth i forgor and mother=mother

made out of silk

i think thats why

[placid meadow]

Yeah but I mean , the Weavers are kinda like some sort of coven

[sinful nimbus]

Its also wordplay

[fathom hill]

part of the fun of the name its that shes both a grand mother

and technically hornets own grandma

[sinful nimbus]

She created Hornet's mom so she's her grandmother in a sense

[placid meadow]

Yeah

The two sense work

[dull sage]

frfr

[fathom hill]

but the mother superior thing is interesting

[dull sage]

true

[placid meadow]

The weavers are like Sisters

[fathom hill]

I wonder if it tracks with other languages

[placid meadow]

It does

[fathom hill]

idk how to check without going myself in game

id check the spanish one

[dull sage]

portugese is "grande mãe seda"

[placid meadow]

Got the french covered already

[fathom hill]

Cuz the wordplay is lost there

[dull sage]

which is litteraly grand mother silk but "grande" means big

like superior

[craggy smelt]

big mother silk

[silk dirge]

ok wait thats interesting

[fathom hill]

a mother that is grand

[silk dirge]

i wonder if this cinematic will return in a future update

[dull sage]

yee

[dull sage]

can u load it?

[sterile jacinth]

Ooh cool cinematic

Wish it was added

[craggy smelt]

DLC: Return to the Slab

[placid meadow]

Noooo

[dull sage]

i think it'll be dlc

[silk dirge]

https://youtu.be/A1avf5wudUY?si=yZSEiw_pbb_Z4k_J

[craggy smelt]

new content that will justify Hornet's bigotry towards slabflies

[placid meadow]

I don't want hornet to be naked again

[fathom hill]

No wordplay on spanish

No "madre superior" ig

[dull sage]

i saw it alr but like it gotr cut prolly cuz it was too creepy

[dull sage]

yeah

[fathom hill]

Cant relate

[timber pond]

https://tenor.com/view/courage-the-cowardly-dog-slab-gif-25530054

[dull sage]

WHA

[placid meadow]

I mean in french the first sinner is litteraly named "Péché Originel" Original Sin

[dull sage]

its basically the same meaning

[fathom hill]

Maybe the french translators got a inspiration

and wanted to tie these things lol

[dull sage]

so ig it doesnt matter that much

[fathom hill]

good for them, i like it

[placid meadow]

"Not for every boss"

[fathom hill]

Not really

[craggy smelt]

i thought that meant fish

First Fish

[dull sage]

fr hahahah

[fathom hill]

original sin has more relation with the bible right?

[dull sage]

fr

[fathom hill]

rather than just original sinner for instance

[placid meadow]

Yup it does

[fathom hill]

Same thing with the superior mother thing

its drawing connection to catholicism

[dull sage]

then

SILKSONG WAS CATHOLIC ALL THE TIME

js kidding

idk

but maybe

[fathom hill]

in spanish is original sinner btw

[craggy smelt]

oh no...
the Conductors were worse than we thought

hide the larvae

[fathom hill]

I mean

the rosaries, the bells

[dull sage]

yeah

[fathom hill]

the robes

[dull sage]

maybe

but we cant take a conclusion

its too broad

[placid meadow]

But damn ,the Crowfather is called "Père Corbotère" which I found lame

[fathom hill]

In my eyes the catholic thing is very clear

also im sure the citadel is referred to as a church but

[dull sage]

i mean it makes sense

[fathom hill]

yknow that one is more broad, and obvious

[placid meadow]

I think that Silk Song take place during a renaissance like time

[dull sage]

yeah

[fathom hill]

cuz its around religious things

[dull sage]

makes a lot of sense

[dull sage]

but if silksong has a religion

[fathom hill]

sherma is ss jesus, yes next question

[placid meadow]

Hallownest is Medieval and Pharloom is Renaissance

[dull sage]

then wouldnt the other kingdoms have religions?

[fathom hill]

they did

[dull sage]

hahahahahah

[fathom hill]

hallownest had pale king

[dull sage]

and radiance

[placid meadow]

And Joni

[dull sage]

joni?

[fathom hill]

pharloom had the weavers and overall the "holy" aspect of the citadel

[placid meadow]

The blue child

[dull sage]

ik

but why him

[fathom hill]

also the themes of faith and devotion

[dull sage]

frfr

[unique canopy]

Metroidvanias are either Protestant or Catholic. Castlevania? Catholic, of course. Metroid? Protestant. Blasphemous is Catholic. Dead Cells, Protestant.
Hollow Knight is Protestant, but Hollow Knight: Silksong is Catholic. That's why people are complaining the game is hard. Cause it's Catholic now.

[placid meadow]

Bro , is the reason why the pale king made the life blood Taboo

Also there is Grimm

[fathom hill]

I noticed that rosaries were catholic when i played blasphemous lol

[dull sage]

fr

[dull sage]

oh yeah fr

[fathom hill]

Im not catholic (nor raised) so I didnt really know these things

[silk dirge]

no one is ready for pharloom to become jewish for act 4: tikkun olam

[placid meadow]

Noooo

[fathom hill]

i mean

[dull sage]

wait grimm may have a lot of information about other religions

[fathom hill]

isnt also shakras tribe like

[dull sage]

but the knight killed him goddamit

[fathom hill]

they draw from buddhism?

[silk dirge]

shakra is buddhist coded yeah

[dull sage]

fr

[placid meadow]

He didn't, he helping by completing his reborn ritual

[silk dirge]

sherma questioning his faith and then using it for good is reform jewish coded...

my goat

[placid meadow]

Similar to a lot of Oriental Rituals

[silk dirge]

my representation

(idk if im reform but close enough lol)

[dull sage]

yeah but the knight just did his things so that means like he didnt get any kind of other kingdom information

grimm may be one of the biggest lore pieces on hk and hkss

[placid meadow]

"Yeah since he and his troop travel all around the different empire"

[dull sage]

just imagine seeing a freaking tent around your yard

lol

[timber pond]

Snail shamans are Pagans

[placid meadow]

But I remenber that I saw once on a lore plate saying that Hallownest was one of the rare kingdom that didn't falled under the passage of time unlike the neighbooring Kingdoms

[dull sage]

yeah

wait

whos yard is silksong going through

[placid meadow]

I don't know, the one from Spiderman accross the spider Verse

[fathom hill]

my guess

[timber pond]

The lake yard

[fathom hill]

the steel people

[dull sage]

hornet verse

[fathom hill]

steel boat

in bay

[dull sage]

maybe

[placid meadow]

I'm sure that we will get Quirrel Journey first or the Hollow Knight one

It would be funny to play as Pure Vessel

[dull sage]

fr

[placid meadow]

But smaller

[dull sage]

tiny pure vessel

[placid meadow]

Yeah

But damn, I feel bad for all those vessel who were thrown in the abyss

[dull sage]

fr

good thing they got rest

[placid meadow]

Yup

It's one giant familly graveyard

[dull sage]

well but what if they make like in a dlc some kind of wanderer's journal somewhere very random

and like you can sell it for 1000 rosaries or keep it

[placid meadow]

Keep it

I didn't destroy my hornet statue

[dull sage]

me too

[placid meadow]

Who in they right mind would do that

It's a badge of honor

[dull sage]

but like the wanderer's journal is full of notes from other kingdoms

like from the next game

PABLO

[placid meadow]

Damn, we need it

[dull sage]

frfr

[placid meadow]

But I hope that we are getting a Steel City DLC's soon

[dull sage]

i need dlc for silksong like godhome for me to be occupied for eternity

[placid meadow]

I mean mods exist

[dull sage]

i dont think there would be steel city since it would involve being in steelsoul and for casual players it would just be a lot harder for them

only if like u can go there without steel soul

but thats probably not happening

[placid meadow]

We will see

[dull sage]

yeah

[placid meadow]

I mean it will be like the Grimm's troup and God home DLC

[dull sage]

yeah

[placid meadow]

Some hidden way to unlock it and poof you get transported to a new place

[dull sage]

yeah

[placid meadow]

Anyway good night , I'm feeling eepy

[dull sage]

gn imma eat

[placid meadow]

It was nice to talk with you ,bye

[dull sage]

byee

[nova basalt]

Idk the average bug lifespan but the existence of Loam and other NPCs around the Citadel tells me that the Haunting and the Citadel's fall didn't start happening as long ago as Hallownest's fall. I'd give it a generation or two at most.

[blissful harbor]

i don’t think that’s a good way to measure, bugs have different lifespans depending on species

[vestal swan]

Silk is in most of them to make them live longer

And yeah also that random ass bugs just outlive an entire kingdom for no reason

[nova basalt]

Like that laughing bug in the locked room in City of Tears.

[vestal swan]

Yeah, Eternal Emilita

[nova basalt]

Thank you.

[silk dirge]

green prince after being older than hornet and still being in prime condition

i think part of being an old heart is also you live for a very very long time

if you are that powerful for a mortal bug

[blissful harbor]

karm got did terrible by time

[silk dirge]

she still lived a long time tho

[blissful harbor]

green prince looks the exact same, karm is gonna turn to dust if hornet sneezes too hard

[silk dirge]

yeah thats why i think the 4th heart dialog isnt as bad like

karmelita was dying in like an hour if hornet didnt kill her

i dont think it makes much difference lol

[craggy smelt]

gotta stay in shape for the big throwdown

[craggy smelt]

I wonder if he was sustained by his partner's Soul still being 'active', in a way?
did this keep him going until he could finally lay them to rest properly?

[silk dirge]

i am a proponent of the theory green prince is different from other old hearts

[unique tangle]

<@&283547423706447872>

[gentle aspen]

Thanks

[silk dirge]

i cant stop thinking about the pharloom bay submarine

if this is actually dlc its gonna be so peak

no way they cut that

then again they did cut coral gorge but like this was on a map one month before release

it would be a sin worthy of penance by constriction absolution denied to not have the pharloom bay submarine

[sinful nimbus]

I mean

It could just be a "we didn't remove it from the files until we had to" situation but Pharloom bay does seem likely

[silk dirge]

i mean to me it makes sense especially bc this is post the great cut

[frigid belfry]

submarine

boat?

lake?

zote boat

[unique canopy]

I feel like a sub would've worked as the way to travel to the Abyss before they decided to make it under lava instead

[silk dirge]

nah

abyss was always planned with diving bell

[frigid belfry]

how is pharloom bay going to abyss

[silk dirge]

the sub is used to reach a lifeblood lab of sorts according to acmi maps

[sinful nimbus]

Say it ain't so

[silk dirge]

i meant that as in like

[sinful nimbus]

Under the lava would be so tuff

[silk dirge]

it was always planned to reach the abyss with the diving bell

[sinful nimbus]

then you can name it Forest of Bones

[silk dirge]

i have no idea if that was always the plan

considering the diving bell exists in the pre great cut map but leads nowhere

[craggy smelt]

soon as I saw that bell I knew

'we're going to Void Town'

[frigid belfry]

remember the small detail when using needolin, strings would point to gms's location in the cradle

[trail wagon]

OH MY GOD

I literally came here to talk about it

I just opened discord

[frigid belfry]

they point down during act 3 (obviously), but there was a reddit post that triangulated gm's position in the abyss

[trail wagon]

And I wanted to tell about that

[frigid belfry]

if yall find the post lemme know i swear its real

[trail wagon]

look at the august ACMI map

That's the latest one

[silk dirge]

yeah theres also weird outlines where pharloom bay should be

[trail wagon]

100%

It will be in the DLC, it's pretty clear

[craggy smelt]

barloom bay
lifeblood lab
gloom gorge

[trail wagon]

it fits it SO well

[swift oracle]

The Great Cut??

[silk dirge]

im still trying to figure out a few of these rooms

[trail wagon]

Not sure about the Gloom

are you talking aobut the huge spires?

[silk dirge]

i know the ones on the right are the mist

[trail wagon]

It does kinda look like the Gloom though, I've gotta admit

[silk dirge]

the one right next to that is exhaust organ

and the one after that is green prince throne room

but i dont recognize these

[swift oracle]

I need more lifeblood content im So Hungry

[trail wagon]

I think some of them should be Karmelita or Nyleth

[sinful nimbus]

This is a great cut I think

[silk dirge]

i would guess so but none of them look like that

[craggy smelt]

hair cut

[sinful nimbus]

TR8E

[silk dirge]

this doesnt resemble any room i remember

[trail wagon]

I think they're talking about a period of time when TC cut a lot of stuff from the game, like Coral Gorge, and the game changed a lot

[silk dirge]

yeah

[trail wagon]

And it has different colors also

[sinful nimbus]

TC when they have to cut everything cool because they're bored

[craggy smelt]

coral gorge seemed more like a re-skinning
the terrain is there, they just crapped it up to make it match the ruin of the wastes

it was too vibrant and beautiful

[sinful nimbus]

I'm pretty sure you can see a lot of different rooms in the ACMI map

[trail wagon]

Isn't it something from Far Fields?

[silk dirge]

actually wait this could be the high halls vault

[trail wagon]

These rooms are supposed to be something we enter like Voltnest

[silk dirge]

one of them maybe

[covert night]

the room next to karmelita maybe?

[craggy smelt]

that would make it easy to add as DLC, but also wouldn't be as interesting as a new area, unless they tweak stuff
glom Blasted Steps together with Sands of Karak, re-skin it to be nice, fill it with fish enemies...
I just don't know how interesting that would be

[swift oracle]

Yeah i figured but calling that The Great Cut like it was some grand event in the story is interesting

[trail wagon]

just look

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think a DLC could have the same potential as base game anyway

And it'd be very out of place with the current world

[frigid belfry]

FOUND IT

[silk dirge]

also it seems from this map nameless town was one of the last things added to the game since its not at the top of the surface climb

[trail wagon]

Ahahahahhah well it's when Silksong has changed

[trail wagon]

found what? :0

[frigid belfry]

where gms is in the abyss

[trail wagon]

ohhhhh

[frigid belfry]

triangulated using the angle of void strings

some dude on reddit found this

[trail wagon]

I think it's a bit lower

[silk dirge]

also theres some rooms here covered by text

[trail wagon]

😭

[trail wagon]

yes

[sinful nimbus]

Something nefarious I'm sure

[trail wagon]

when is the next ACMI?

[craggy smelt]

grimm troupe added the best boss and some cool lore, I wouldn't say it really affected the game's overall story that much - very easy to miss
I'm fine if Silksong does the same, just adding rad shit off to one side

[silk dirge]

its ongoing

[covert night]

could you share the full image

[trail wagon]

IS THERE A SILKSONG PANEL??

[silk dirge]

from the wiki

[sinful nimbus]

ACMI is ongoing until february 2026 at which point its lost media...

[trail wagon]

why it so tiny

[sinful nimbus]

Quick get some higher quality screenshots

[silk dirge]

this should be better

[silk dirge]

apparently the maps are just low quality

[trail wagon]

Does it mean these will be there until February?

[silk dirge]

yes

[trail wagon]

Somebody should take pictures...

[silk dirge]

buy your plane tickets to australia

[trail wagon]

is there somebody going to do that???

There's gotta be

[silk dirge]

yes theres a lot of wiki pictures

[craggy smelt]

wiktures

[silk dirge]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)#Early_Maps

[trail wagon]

Yeah, I'm aware, I've looked through them

I'm talking about the new ones

Like better quality pictures

OMG LOOK

THIS IS 2020

[silk dirge]

what is that room

[trail wagon]

We were talking about it

[silk dirge]

i was thinking high halls vault maybe but i cant tell

[trail wagon]

we don't know

It doesn't seem like it's there

[craggy smelt]

I keep wanting to say Memorium, but that isn't right

[trail wagon]

are you talking about the room where we get rosary gun?

[silk dirge]

yeah

[trail wagon]

ohhh

[covert night]

also this is 2023

[trail wagon]

all of these are so old

So apparently the Lifeblood spire is still coming back

The spires too

[silk dirge]

this is karmelita

i think

[trail wagon]

Yeah, I think it is

[covert night]

all of these exist in the 2025 image too. this one is more visible

[silk dirge]

this could be nyleth

[frigid belfry]

how tf can yall tell this

[silk dirge]

colors

[frigid belfry]

genuinely a 3px pixel: "yeah thats the third room left of hhg"

???

[craggy smelt]

where was the Gloom area going to be
was it part of the Pharloom Bay area, am I remembering that right?

[silk dirge]

gloom was where bilewater is

[craggy smelt]

did they repurpose Gloom into Bilewater, or did Gloom get moved elsewhere?

[silk dirge]

gloom got completely redone

[unique canopy]

Not unless they redesigned it

[covert night]

it was below the slab in 2018 apparently

[craggy smelt]

how appropriate

[trail wagon]

So we kinda do know which these are

[silk dirge]

ok yeah thats this

[trail wagon]

where is it from?

[trail wagon]

wha

[trail wagon]

where

[silk dirge]

left is coral tower, next to that is surface climb, on the right is the mist

[trail wagon]

can't find it on the August 2025 one

[silk dirge]

this is the high halls vault

you unlock it with a simple key right next to hhg

[covert night]

interesting

[trail wagon]

yes yes I know

[covert night]

i wonder why they scraped this area

[trail wagon]

I can't find it on the map

[silk dirge]

they didnt

[covert night]

oh thats the vault ok

i forgor

[trail wagon]

I can't find the vault here

[silk dirge]

right next to the mist is exhaust organ

[silk dirge]

probably covered by text

i think its that

[trail wagon]

I found it 🥹

[trail wagon]

yeaah

[silk dirge]

that still leaves this

[trail wagon]

Alright

[silk dirge]

one of those is the inside room of ruined chapel i think

[trail wagon]

Where did you get the room layot?

[sinful nimbus]

What's labelled as the gloom seems to be part of the bay submarine stuff

[silk dirge]

yeah

this could be ruined chapel

idk what the thing below the main oom is tho

[trail wagon]

it looks gloomy

and scary

aahahah

What used to be 'The Gloom' looked very similar

[craggy smelt]

so it might be added back in

yey

[trail wagon]

Yeah, it might

[silk dirge]

i still have no idea what this room is

i feel like its an in game room

but idk

[trail wagon]

hhhhm

[craggy smelt]

maybe a weird transition cutscene room, like the Bellway?

[silk dirge]

any ideas

[silk dirge]

i doubt it

[trail wagon]

Do we agree this is the Nameless Town?

[silk dirge]

this doesnt look like a cutscene room

[trail wagon]

no tbh

Wait

[silk dirge]

i think thats just a timeline thingy

[trail wagon]

Probably

[unique canopy]

I think that room was just straight up cut. I can't find it in any map viewers

[trail wagon]

I think everything that has been cut from the August map will be brought back

I think it's very likely

[silk dirge]

same

[trail wagon]

I thought it was silksong stats

[covert night]

true

[silk dirge]

@vestal swan

[covert night]

shut up lumble the lucky

[trail wagon]

Why would they cut something right before the game release

[potent iris]

Ahy

[trail wagon]

wait are they the admin?

[potent iris]

Store sales

[silk dirge]

theyre a mod

[unique canopy]

skonks

[silk dirge]

oh wait

[craggy smelt]

so it can be held back and turned into DLC later to keep hype agoing

[trail wagon]

what is blud doing :c

[silk dirge]

what

[trail wagon]

yes

I think so

[trail wagon]

what mode? ultracam one?

[sterile jacinth]

Tf are they even trying to advertise?

[silk dirge]

this could be the cut karak room

[trail wagon]

why?

[silk dirge]

it looks karak ish

[trail wagon]

oh wait

it does

[silk dirge]

does anyone have a good map viewer

[sterile jacinth]

Karak you will be missed

[silk dirge]

i mean this room is in the "cut in august 2025" gang which means its coming back likely

[unique canopy]

https://scripterswar.com/silksong/map for the full map
https://silksong-completion.info/levelviewer/ lets you zoom in to individual rooms

[sterile jacinth]

If you say Karak like ka-rack it sounds kinda like kraken

[trail wagon]

Why has nobody brought up this?

[silk dirge]

that's exhaust organ

[trail wagon]

OMG YOU THE BEST

[craggy smelt]

whoaaaa... fuckkk....

[sinful nimbus]

It will never replace the Hallownest.net shaped hole in my heart

[trail wagon]

WAIT WHAT

WHAAAAAAAAAAT

whaaaat?!?!?!

[silk dirge]

yeah gl convicing anyone sane to do that lol

[silk dirge]

thats the lava room in far fields lol

[sterile jacinth]

Looks like abyss or cradle

Oooh

[trail wagon]

whaaaat

which one??

[silk dirge]

the rising lava gauntlet for a mask shard

[craggy smelt]

the shittiest one

[trail wagon]

ohhhhh

that one

I don't remember it very well

[craggy smelt]

you blocked it out

[trail wagon]

oh I'm sorry

[trail wagon]

huh?

[craggy smelt]

it's fine, it was very traumatic for me too

[trail wagon]

there's no lava that's why

[trail wagon]

ohhhh

[potent iris]

Like

[trail wagon]

guys guys guys

why are there snail shells?

[craggy smelt]

spiral doesn't automatically mean snail

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonoidea

its meant to allude to ancient shit

like cthuluh octopus stuff from before the dawn of time

its all cthulhus down there

[silk dirge]

ok wait i got another one

this is sprintmaster

[covert night]

i doubt it. ruined chapel looks like this

[trail wagon]

it deosn't

[trail wagon]

wish we could see it on the newest one

it's somewhere behind the text

Is all of it just the Abyss?

[silk dirge]

yeah some of these rooms are definitely cut

i cant identify them

[craggy smelt]

seems like they simplified them

[trail wagon]

Simplified what?

The Abyss?

[craggy smelt]

yeah

[trail wagon]

oh yeah

Probably there's something there

That isn't in the game

[craggy smelt]

that's the diving bell area on the right, but those chambers lead to the ascent seem simpler in the actual game

[trail wagon]

I don't think they did

I mean the path is a bit different

There are some other connections between rooms

and it also seems the diving bell area was larger

and the transition to the Abyss area was smoother

But that's from 2024

[craggy smelt]

the room dimensions might just seem different in the screenshot map, we might not be seeing the borders

whereas we are in the dev map

[trail wagon]

Although there was some smal chunk they cut on the August map

[silk dirge]

my verdict is these are cut rooms

[craggy smelt]

FUCK!

[silk dirge]

this is also duplicated

[trail wagon]

these pixels are soo cool

ahahahahha

I love what we're doing

[trail wagon]

wha?

[craggy smelt]

i hate that stuff was cut

[trail wagon]

It's clearly somewhat different

[craggy smelt]

i'm enraged

[trail wagon]

Guys look very closely, are they the same?

yes they are

[craggy smelt]

one has letters

[trail wagon]

ahahahaha

the one without letters is from 2023

[covert night]

first one is from 2023 the latter is from 2025

they didnt change much it seems

[trail wagon]

So we have all of the cut rooms from August 2025 with no text

YAAAAY

[craggy smelt]

i think we figured this whole thing out

[covert night]

true

[trail wagon]

I'm putting it all together right now

[silk dirge]

it seems the map from 2025 is also missing inside rooms

i cant find brightvein

[trail wagon]

Alrighty, I will be looking through everything and give you my verdict ahahah

guys

[silk dirge]

what

did you find anything

[trail wagon]

no?

[silk dirge]

yeah that one i knew

[trail wagon]

okaay

[silk dirge]

the big inside room is still unidentified tho

[trail wagon]

which one is red memory?

[silk dirge]

none of them look like rm

[trail wagon]

wait

Voltnest is also not there

[silk dirge]

yeah its missing a lot of inside rooms i think

which makes the ones in the corner interesting

brightvein should be really obvious but its nowhere to be found

[trail wagon]

Why is Karmelita's room not on the interactive map?

one of them is, but only the one outside of her memory

[unique canopy]

Don't think it has any of the dream maps

[trail wagon]

oh right

I just looked

it doesn't

[silk dirge]

nah coral tower and verdania are there

[trail wagon]

where is coral tower?

I mean not like that😭

[trail wagon]

no

[unique canopy]

Talking about the map viewer site

[trail wagon]

I'm talking about the interactive map

[silk dirge]

oh on the map

yeah they only have verdania

[trail wagon]

sad

this looks intersting

it's pretty weird

wait, what do we get here?

[unique canopy]

I think that's where you get one of the fleas

[silk dirge]

thats a flea i think

[trail wagon]

what is that room

[silk dirge]

brightvein

[trail wagon]

[trail wagon]

ahahaha I'm sorry

[trail wagon]

I meant

[silk dirge]

thats a flea

[trail wagon]

Somebody said there's a flea

what the helly 😭

it's soo cold there

how did they get there :c

[silk dirge]

yeah thats why the flea is fucking frozen in an ice cube

[trail wagon]

wait, is that coldshard?

[silk dirge]

yeah

[trail wagon]

What do we get here?

[silk dirge]

brightvein gives you a mask shard

[trail wagon]

I forgor 😢

[trail wagon]

yes

but only at the top

[trail wagon]

What's the purpose of this part? That's the bottom of the big parcour room

[silk dirge]

the purpose is to be platforming idk

[trail wagon]

no I mean what's the purpose of the bottom of the room

[silk dirge]

idk

[trail wagon]

It also seems like it's hard to get up from there

I haven't seen that

[silk dirge]

thats exhaust organ

[visual glacier]

Exaust organ

Important for lore

[foggy fractal]

we gotta start doing those guess the screenshot location but for silksong

[silk dirge]

andy mayhaps you would know what these rooms are

they all appear to be cut

[trail wagon]

I'm talking specifically about the room above it

[foggy fractal]

no idea, are these the only images we have ? 😭 ig the best you could do is try to guess by the colour and see if there's any useful info on the cut conents wiki page

[visual glacier]

Oh it’s a flea

[silk dirge]

these are on all the acmi maps from the past few years

[trail wagon]

Is it also inside? Omg I have memory issues probably

[silk dirge]

they are in the corner near the pharloom bay submarine thing

[trail wagon]

I can't find the full Exhaust Organ map

Wait, the flea is there

[foggy fractal]

my only guess it's some interior section, that's about it

[silk dirge]

my guess was possible the cut karak room

[edgy nebula]

hello

[silk dirge]

hi

we are attempting to identify possible cut rooms

[edgy nebula]

coolio

[trail wagon]

two phantoms lol

[frosty beacon]

wait holy shit, where did you get this, i've been wanting to look at a map like this for forever

[foggy fractal]

https://scripterswar.com/silksong/map

[trail wagon]

Yeah me too

Somebody finally found it

[frosty beacon]

i can finally learn how deep abyss is

[edgy nebula]

didnt it take some person like 2 years to do this with hk

[frosty beacon]

nvm it fucking lies to you ok

[silk dirge]

they corrected a bunch of shit

[visual glacier]

There is actually an answer for this gimme a sec

[silk dirge]

this one has disconnected rooms and shit

[foggy fractal]

yeah and that one had a lot more detail put into it
such as making the room transitions seamless

[edgy nebula]

oh

yeah makes sense

[frosty beacon]

i'm patiently waiting for ts, but this is still good

[foggy fractal]

given that this is a game, the game's rooms cheat a bit too, i.e. things exist where they shouldn't, or things are missalinged

the hk version also corrected for that

[silk dirge]

i dont think anyone is making that lol

[visual glacier]

The circle is lost lace

[trail wagon]

I just realized there's a huuuuge space between Karak and Slab

And the bottom of the Slab has spikes and corals from Karak, so it means there'a a huge part of Karak we don't see

[craggy smelt]

lots of room for Void expansion then!

[trail wagon]

I don't think we would be able to swim in it more

[visual glacier]

You forget that between lost lace and last dive is just the void lake

[trail wagon]

It doesn't seem like there's anything to be honest

[silk dirge]

also "voltnest used to be larger" people are lying lol

[craggy smelt]

and you've forgotten that we're gettin' a submarine~!

[trail wagon]

It's pretty much just nothingness, from what we seen in the cutcsene

[silk dirge]

its just an inside room so it seems smaller

[visual glacier]

No they aren’t it really did used to be bigger

[craggy smelt]

it might be a little same-y

[trail wagon]

why are they lying?

[visual glacier]

In cut content

[trail wagon]

It was still bigger I believe

[silk dirge]

this doesnt look larger

this is from 2023

[trail wagon]

What about earlier?

[silk dirge]

didnt exist

actually maybe in coral gorge

[trail wagon]

Does anybody know which rooms are these?

[trail wagon]

I mean it used to be there, yeah

[silk dirge]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)/Areas#Ocean_Outpost

[silk dirge]

that doesnt seem larger tbh

it just seems like it got restructured