sk-lore

[fading whale]

the rest of them are in the rest of the slab

[sinful nimbus]

Why would all of those be weavers

[fading whale]

the common ones

[spark valve]

The record keeping is done in the record room

Not
With the prisoners

[sinful nimbus]

Why would weavers be made (much less tracked) in batches

[lethal burrow]

I think the first just means the Weavers in general, not the first wave, that lines up better with the Weaver being called the children.

[fading whale]

because first sinner is the first of the first, if those numbers are not related to her placement in the weaver timeline then what are they

[frosty gate]

Wait, in what context do you mean this?

[lethal burrow]

What do you mean in what context?

[unique canopy]

I can believe the "of the First" penitents both being Weavers, both because the Weavers themselves are the First Children and because of the severity of both of their sins. I can't see a Weaver being punished for something like sickness, dissonance, or irreverence, so I don't think the other slates refer to Weavers.

[lethal burrow]

The other slates don't refer to the first

[spark valve]

Yes

[fading whale]

then what does ofthe eighth and of the fourth stand for

[silk dirge]

also the "of the first" tablet mentions an unnamed sin which could fit for widow

[lethal burrow]

not Weavers ig

[frosty gate]

Like, do you mean the first doesn't refer to batches?

[fading whale]

but what does that mean for non weavers

[lethal burrow]

yes, I think first just refers to Weaver's in general

[unique canopy]

Two possibilities: either they're a way of organizing prisoners in general, or they're referring to a caste system where the Weavers were first, the Conductors were second, and so on down the line

[fading whale]

and the first number means what

[unique canopy]

it's like onions they have layers

[fading whale]

as in the eight in eighth of the twelfth

[lethal burrow]

you don't have clear reference for what the other things could be referring to like we do with first children, i can only assume It's less important because of this.

[fading whale]

those are all members of the choir

[ionic bear]

i think the numbers just mean their number

[frosty gate]

I was going to argue but actually that makes a shit ton of sense what the hell.
TwArchitect says "The F-f-f-irst children"

[ionic bear]

twelfth architect is just number 12 in the line :)

[fading whale]

not just her, the weavers are referred to in multiplaces as the first children of pharloom

[lethal burrow]

yup yup

[silk dirge]

does twelth architect have a meta meaning to their name

[fading whale]

that was an assumption i made

[spark valve]

Like what

[ionic bear]

its bc they are the twelth architect in the line i think

[fading whale]

maybe twelve is cursed to be the last in a way

[silk dirge]

fourth chorus is the fourth boss you fight if you go the most common route and second sentinel is bc hornet is the first sentinel

[lethal burrow]

Maybe it's more fair to say the others were cursed not to be the last

[ionic bear]

or maybe they are just incapable of building a new architect to take their place due to the current state of pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

12 has religious significance idk how it could be applied to the architects though

[fading whale]

in the case of the architects, the choruses, the sentinels, yes

[lethal burrow]

They say that the knowledge to make another has been lost in their mind if we're being literal little things

[frosty gate]

You lost me, wtf you mean Hornet is first sentinel

[ionic bear]

OH YEAH right this

[fading whale]

but that numbering is seperate from the slab prisoner numbers

[ionic bear]

they forgot how to make a baby((

[silk dirge]

hornet was a sentinel for hallownest

[lethal burrow]

not as in the order of sentinel of the kingdom of pharloom but in a meta sense is what they're saying

[silk dirge]

yeah

[unique canopy]

In real orchestras where multiple people are playing the same instrument, each person is given a corresponding number. For example, 1st violin, 2nd violin, 3rd violin, etc. But the numbers are just referring to their assigned role in the performance so they know which part in the score to play, it's not by seniority or anything.

[silk dirge]

second sentinel is the second sentinel of a dying kingdom in the series

[fading whale]

nah, we see other robot sentinels in the second sentinel room, hornet isnt the first sentinel

[ionic bear]

THIS

[silk dirge]

that is not what i meant

[sinful nimbus]

Its meta not diegetic

[fading whale]

ah okay i see now

[ionic bear]

they said in a metaphorical way not a literal

[frosty gate]

Oh ok, sure i guess

[fading whale]

so there is an actual first robot sentinel but its also a nod to hornet being the first sentinel that we saw in this universe

[lethal burrow]

Not my idea, I'm just explaining it more clearly for the sake of clarity

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet and Second Sentinel are parallels

Some would argue that standing guard over a kingdom's corpse is a foolish task, empty of meaning. I wonder then, will you still hold true to your charge?

Is this truly failure, gilded one? You meant to test me and have done so. I would expect nothing less of a true guardian.

[frosty gate]

Damn actual decent progress in SK-Lore, someone take a picture

[silk dirge]

yeah

[lethal burrow]

Second sentinel is also a parallel to the hollow knight I would say

[ionic bear]

what do you guys think the pickled muck maggot tastes like

[silk dirge]

bad

[sinful nimbus]

mmm i'm getting hungry

[fading whale]

that is a great idea, i think it fits here and actually imo it points even more to the idea that the numbered prisoners in the slab are weavers. we literally see them in a orchestra like formation playing harp

[lethal burrow]

Probably like very rubbery meat

[ionic bear]

then what do you think the moss berry stew tastes like

[edgy nebula]

like drugs

[ionic bear]

i assume it would taste similar to pickled mushrooms or herring

[sinful nimbus]

Its said to be intensely pleasurable and painful its also psychoactive which is probably the main reason you'd consume it

[ionic bear]

the stew??

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[silk dirge]

and then fourth chorus is also a meta name i think bc its the usual fourth boss you fight

[edgy nebula]

all of the great taste of pharloom items have really indepth descriptions, it's funny

[silk dirge]

that one is less good tho

[fading whale]

that first hornet quip about ''some would say it's foolish'' is so cool to me. She faced those thoughts, maybe by her own self, she faced those criticisms of her task in hallownest being pointless by she still held true to her charge. She sees herself in the second sentinel and is testing its resolve with that question

[edgy nebula]

crustnut honestly opens up alot of karak lore aswell

[ionic bear]

its not a meta name

its literally the fourth chorus, of four choruses

[silk dirge]

yeah i know

why do we specifically fight the 4th one

[ionic bear]

bc it was sent out

[silk dirge]

team cherry isnt just randomly picking numbers i assume

[ionic bear]

i think they did

[sinful nimbus]

"Its not a meta name because it also has a diegetic reason" 🥴

That doesn't debunk it

[patent vault]

Nah , there's more than one chorus and that chorus is The fourth of them

[ionic bear]

^

[sinful nimbus]

There is an in universe reason for the name that does not mean there cannot be meta significance

[silk dirge]

yeah i agree im saying we specifically fight the fourth one bc its the fourth boss we usually fight in game

[ionic bear]

what does courrier's rasher taste like i wonder

[unique canopy]

The meta reason is, why do we fight the fourth one and not the third or second or first

[silk dirge]

exactly

[unique canopy]

Raw fatty bloody bacon

[ionic bear]

i meant cooked

[unique canopy]

Fatty cooked bacon

[edgy nebula]

we dont know cause it's never cooked

[silk dirge]

and then first sinner i dont think has any really meta meeting bc first is not really randomly picked

[ionic bear]

the one guy cooks it right before serving it up

[edgy nebula]

unlike crustnut which we know is strong when grinded

does he? is there a sizzling sound?

[ionic bear]

my theory is that crustnut is nutmeg

[edgy nebula]

crustnutmeg

[ionic bear]

no but i would assume he would not serve his great master raw meat that has been sitting out for ages

[silk dirge]

where 2nd and 4th can feel like random number even tho they have meaning probably 1st usually never feels like a random number

im just yapping now

[ionic bear]

is vintage nectar just like, a fine wine?

[silk dirge]

anyways my point was twelth architect has to have some meaning to them being the twelth

[edgy nebula]

considering he serves him drugs 🤷

[ionic bear]

oh you right actually

[unique tangle]

Nectar is just the wine/alcohol equivalent

[edgy nebula]

nectar is made by aphids, i like that

[ionic bear]

what does pale oil taste like

[unique canopy]

Technically mead is honey instead of raw nectar, but it can count

[lethal burrow]

Cc releasing this on the same hour as mossbags video was a BRAVE choice.

https://youtu.be/8d4bbDWHp0o?si=sszlLnDCEQixfWuh

[unique tangle]

I watched the video to see what he claimed was the canon HK ending

[ionic bear]

i think pale oil tastes like fish oil OR like pine tar

[unique tangle]

And was disappointed to see that he backed out on actually settling on an ending

[fading whale]

i will die on the etv hill

[ionic bear]

plasmium def tastes like blue berries.....

[unique tangle]

Like cmon if you’re gonna title your video that at least have the guts to proclaim an ending as canon 🫠

[edgy nebula]

i think pale oil tastes like metal polish

[silk dirge]

i will die on the ambiguous ending hill

[fading whale]

pale oil tastes like bile

[silk dirge]

sometimes thats just how it is

[fading whale]

because it is bile

[unique tangle]

But no… all we get is the “any ending is canon if you jump through enough hoops” route

[ionic bear]

it is described in game as the oil from a sylphean slug, and was going to be used as an appetizer for the one bug's master

[unique tangle]

Which is so lame and wish washy for the title smh literally click bait

[silk dirge]

i mean you could say like sealed siblings is canon to fucking like weaver queen or twisted child or some shit but thats so dumb idk why you would do that

[fading whale]

yeah mr mushroom played the dreamer's melody and freed hornet from the sealed siblings ending. also shade lord exists without pantheon of hallownest events taking place because fuck you thats why

[edgy nebula]

oh, then probably just tasteless jelly or something

[ionic bear]

oh maybe...

[silk dirge]

i have a theory the fleas found the pale oil somewhere in pale lake

and hornet is just blind and couldnt find it before them

[ionic bear]

WHAT DOES FLEA BREW TASTE LIKE!!!!!

[silk dirge]

yerba mate

[fading whale]

rootbeer

[ionic bear]

and dont say fleas, flea brew is a brew made for fleas

[silk dirge]

watch it be like flea piss or smth

[patent vault]

Does anyone have any idea why the knight saves Hornet in the sister of the void ending, even though he's supposed to be emotionless and a hollow creature made to seal the infection?

[unique tangle]

This is why moss “EtV believer” bag will always be the goat

[silk dirge]

😭

[unique canopy]

Tangerine-flavoured Red Bull

[silk dirge]

tk was never hollow

[ionic bear]

the vessels are shown to be able to develop emotion. aswell, THEY could have just been returning the favour

[silk dirge]

there is no such thing as a "truly hollow" vessel

[ionic bear]

^

[fading whale]

they give flowers to random people

[indigo wraith]

I mean the whole point of Hollow Knight was that none of the vessels were truly hollow that's why PK's plan didn't work

[ionic bear]

^

[fading whale]

and remember their names after being told

[silk dirge]

if you want exact proof of why sotv happens well let me get it real quick

[timber pond]

Idk. I just wonder why tam cherry even made The godhome ending other than to tease everbloom. Creating an upward Crescendo on the hollow Knight apearing to be alive draws attention to it. Even when silksong doesn't seem to answer why it did that, while it does answer "Why" the everbloom is important at least within the storys context.

so I have to assume team cherry wants to "do" something with the hollow knight. Its not like i truly care what ending is cannon, i would have been happy if there wasnt even a new ending in the DLC

[ionic bear]

peak proof

[fading whale]

i will be the one to kill you

[indigo wraith]

Yeah Snosk is proof that the knight cares about hornet

[timber pond]

True i agree.

[edgy nebula]

so sotv happened because nosk grew wings? yeah right....

[silk dirge]

i remember one of the first days i spent in this channel someone was arguing hornet didnt actually care for tk

[ionic bear]

brb guys i want to go eat cheese

[unique canopy]

"Do you haunt my dreams, or I yours? Little Ghost, what dreams we share."

[silk dirge]

btw this same person was arguing the previous day green princes were actual twins

[ionic bear]

is there a cheese equivalent in HK universe?

[frosty gate]

GMS looks like a cheeseball

[edgy nebula]

gruzzercheese

[patent vault]

That make sense, now i could rest in peace

[frosty gate]

Silk is just stringcheese

[fading whale]

tf

[frosty gate]

Jesus what a screamer

[silk dirge]

also in mossbags video he has videos of the full cradle area which made me realize what the wooden platforms actually are for

the wooden platforms act as like a loom to harvest silk off gms

[fading whale]

i remember another person arguing the green princes were one body with two souls that fell inlove with themselves

[ionic bear]

nevermind guys im making dumplings, i have no choice

[fading whale]

and i actually can see it

[fading whale]

oh yeah, the citadel started doing that after the weavers left i assume, thats how they got all the silk

[lethal burrow]

shade Lord + no hk shade is good enough for me

[fading whale]

and got obsessed with it

[fading whale]

pogseal is not talking about etv, they're talking about why the knight saves hornet

because it's proven it cares about her

[silk dirge]

yeah

[fading whale]

but that is good enough for me to prove etv too

[glad wren]

Flea piss !

[lethal burrow]

oh, well in pretty much any possible canon ending hornet was relevant in a positive way

[glad wren]

it’s probably beer or smth tho

[fading whale]

i bet it tasted like ginger ale actually

[lethal burrow]

Orange pop.

[patent vault]

In the beginning of the game i thought that Hornet is a hornet

[silk dirge]

what flavor of yerba mate is flea brew

[fading whale]

wood shavings

and dirt

[silk dirge]

that is not a yerba mate flavor

[fading whale]

that's what yerba mate tastes like to me

[silk dirge]

😭

i hope in dlc we get to add boba to flea brew

for added effects

[indigo wraith]

For sure, Embrace The Void can explain how the knight took on a previous form (because godseeker mode dialog states that it takes place directly after etv and the godseeker talks about how the Knight's mask is hiding the shade lord's visage meaning the knight can take other forms of itself even after ascending), but Dream No More cannot explain why we see a flash of the shade lord and we don't the the Hollow Knight's shade specifically.

[radiant badger]

Lmao they put one of my maps in the hollow knight wiki

[silk dirge]

what if you could add boba to flea brew and it gives you like +20% dmg or something

[slow olive]

I never noticed this on my playthrough that was pretty neat

[lethal burrow]

You have been cemented forever

[unique canopy]

I read that as bola and thought you meant tossing the voltvessels into the flea brew

[silk dirge]

LMAO

yeah sure drink the electric juice

[indigo wraith]

That's the secret recipe for the energy drink item

[silk dirge]

lets see what happens

[unique canopy]

New way to beat Groal: a dozen electric hyper fleas

[idle perch]

The place there I accidentally lost 5 masks in the span of 1 second just from touching the volt wall things

[radiant badger]

You had the barbed braclet on right...?

[idle perch]

No

[radiant badger]

Wombo combo

[fading whale]

how

the animation of getting pulled by the worms takes 1 second and does 2 damage

[radiant badger]

I think he didn't mean it literly in one second

[fading whale]

oh

yeah i have the touch of the t

[edgy nebula]

in voltnest if you get zapped by the electro columns you end up taking 4 damage because you fall into the worms which also do 2 damage

[fading whale]

it's impossible to take odd numbered damage with the barbed bracelet on 😈

unless fractured mask

[wild zinc]

Im watching the mossbag video and hold the fucking phone who is this

I’ve literally never seen this dude I’ve played this game like 5 times now and I’ve never seen him

[silk dirge]

random pilgrim npc

their spawns seem random tbh

[radiant badger]

Oh sure, i don't post often but i do make high quality maps on there

[edgy nebula]

pilgrim preacher stads out cause hes the only uniquely designed pilgrim npc to my knowledge

[wild zinc]

Im just surprised cause this is my first time seeing the dude even outside of the game

[lethal burrow]

Pilgrim preacher

[solid badge]

Anyone else seen cc's recent lore vid? Am I crazy or is it visibly washed out and dim? But like... not consistently. Seems properly bright in PC browser but really off on a phone.

[cloud mesa]

now i can start patiently waiting for the greyroot lore vid ik that’s coming

[ornate pier]

Next mossbag video might be abt phantom's gender btw

[sinful nimbus]

TUFF

That could just be a short though she's called sister

[ornate pier]

Es ambiguous or whateverr it kinda issss but like

Phantom is in a weird tank

I mean even then you could say the needolin is reading her unconcious thoughts but it feels like a stretch

And the dialogue is closer to lace's needolin dialogue for her 2nd fight i think? idk

[timber pond]

Yeah its kind of pointless For that one tbh lol

[ornate pier]

It's not definite confirmation in any case cuz its ambiguous

[barren beacon]

So what do you fellas think about Mossbag's video

[timber pond]

The SINGULAR bit of lore we get for phantom calls her "sister" IDK how else you are suppsoed to interpreit anything lol

[ornate pier]

Unclear if lace or phantom is speaking

[timber pond]

Its pretty good But He made that white lady error Which i find funny

[ornate pier]

(It's probably lace. But the possibility is there)

[timber pond]

Its lace

[ornate pier]

Yeah he pinned a comment abt this

[ornate pier]

Lace does make more sense, phantom is in a tank and it's close to lace 2's needolin dialogue, but again the possibility is THERE

[sinful nimbus]

Also all of GMS's children are daughters

Its not really ambiguous you have to really stretch to assume Phantom is speaking

[timber pond]

I dont know , its Seems rather pointless to speculate on That one Tbh. and im the Guy who Speculates the most in this Channel!

[unique canopy]

Personally think it's Lace too, but I will point out being in a tank didn't stop Eva from talking.

[timber pond]

LIke it dosent really change anything

[ornate pier]

In translations it's also either feminine or neutral (those translations seem to have opted to translate all usage of they/them in the game as gender neutral.). Wiki changed it a few days ago but again the change was extremely unpopular in some circles so it got chanegd further to prioritize the english pronouns

[ornate pier]

Good point actually
Though we don't know how similar eva is to gms's silk children

"Rune and shell"

Is weird

[old basin]

I’d say phantom is they/she

Or is how I would refer to them at least

[ornate pier]

Also possible yeah

[timber pond]

The Thing is , thats because its different languages. And sometimes The language doesn't reflect the lore exactly. heres a great video about Comparing area names and why diffrent languages name things diffrently. Its because they ARE completely diffrent.https://youtu.be/4buhEmWZA2g

Some of it is really whacky between them lol

[ornate pier]

The usage of they/them in silksong is extremely broad and can be vague sometimes (Especially hornet's notes in the hunter's journal. She they/thems characters which have gendered pronouns elsewhere)

[timber pond]

The difference is Context. the Needolin string is hitting the spot where LACE is standing, and phantom seems to be "Sleeping" in that tube

[old basin]

There’s a lot of they/them usage in the journal of varying possibility of accuracy

[ornate pier]

Yeah i dont think the wiki's current change was unreasonable. The initial change was actually made due to like a person claiming to be a translator leaking a gender list doc that seemed reputable enough but a lot of people had well placed concerns because it was nda-locked and therefore uncitable

Unfortunately, there were also a lot of people that were not there in good faith. But it's inevitable

[old basin]

Like it calls sister splinter they despite her having sister in the name and later on being called she in a conversation with nuu

[sinful nimbus]

They/them is always accurate because they/them is ambiguous

[ornate pier]

Sister splinter is literally called both she and they in the same journal entry lol

[timber pond]

They/them dosent even need to be used in gendered context really.

[old basin]

But disgraced chef lugioli and second sentinel are consistently referencing to neutral outside the journal

[silk dirge]

sister splinter canonically uses she/they

[old basin]

Breaking news ass jim non binary icon

[old basin]

Is she?

[ornate pier]

Yeah

[old basin]

Never noticed

[dense aspen]

Why is hornet becoming the weaver queen bad

Would she just like be hornet with more power

[timber pond]

Nah shes not hornet anymore

Thats the thing

[old basin]

Erm source

[ornate pier]

Possible, but not confirmed. The Last Judge only used they/them in the game but we got dev and va confirmation (the lauren koopowitz interview) that she is a female (Do note the dev message, think it was from ari gibson, has been removed from the wiki now because not everyone could actually view it)

[timber pond]

Caretaker Diolouge

[dense aspen]

Really?

Ah ok makes sense

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet: I'll not deny some part of me desires that outcome... Dominance, it seems, is baked deep in my blood, as too, no doubt, for the one up top.
Hornet: And yet, another part resists... A part, over time, I find myself siding with more...
Hornet: That part wishes not to claim a monarch's mantle, rather it would see my freedom regained, and this kingdom's bugs unshackled from their pale chains.

[dense aspen]

I understand now
Thank you

[timber pond]

yeah She looses herself by consuming power.

[old basin]

Wowza

[dense aspen]

Is that why she's such a dick in the first game

[timber pond]

This is even implied through Multiple Eva conversations that, IF she absorbs too many crests that are too powerful she will lose herself

[old basin]

What?

[dense aspen]

She keeps killing vessels man

[solid badge]

Binding GMS carries a very strong risk for her to both inherit power and a stronger tendency towards dominion as a pale being.

[timber pond]

Nah she was probably just younger lol

[dense aspen]

Oh

Ok

[timber pond]

She refrences her Regret In act 3 about How she went about Guarding Hallow nests Corpse

[old basin]

Probably not by a lot

[timber pond]

Impossible to know how long has passed really

[old basin]

Actually I don’t know

[timber pond]

You cant very acutely keep track of Time in this universe because no one measures it.

[old basin]

I mean I do suppose to the story of hollow knight could change her

[ornate pier]

Some people think it's centuries, some people think it's a few months

[timber pond]

Except by "Ages"

[ornate pier]

Hk timeline in general is kinda fucked up

[old basin]

But that doesn’t seem well explained by age

Also is she even a dick I still don’t know where you got that from

[timber pond]

She does Say "Mate(s)" plural when she says shes outlived her own mates in the raging conchfly journal entry ,which implies she has had many over lifetimesl lol

[silk dirge]

i mean its very possible radiance got killed while citadel was still ruled by weavers

[old basin]

I guess there might be lacking in mates in ruined hallownest

[silk dirge]

hornet was probably guarding hallownest for a long ass time

[ornate pier]

Yeah, this is used as like the prime proof for silksong being way way after hk1
But i think this could also apply to before the events of hk1

[old basin]

Is it?

Weavers had already left pharloom by that point

As they are in hallownest

[silk dirge]

yeah

weavers leaving was before citadel

weavenests are pre citadel

[timber pond]

She seemed Much more Childlike in Hollow Knight 1, so i cant really see that being the case. We also see the outline of her life in hallownest generally being "Getting Trained in a bunch of different shit for a long time"

[next lagoon]

We all know the only reson hornet isnt curvy is for no fan fiction

[old basin]

Are you saying they left Pharloom, came back, and started ruling the citadel?

[ornate pier]

Her being trained in the hive was before hk1 for one

[old basin]

Can we kill this guy with hammers

[silk dirge]

who knows what happened to them maybe they died in the wastes

[ornate pier]

That is a Spider

[silk dirge]

all im saying is the timeline could be all over the place

[old basin]

Huh

[timber pond]

Yeah i know, But what i mean is i dont think she would have had many or ANY mates in Hallownest for her life up to that point because of her Duties

[silk dirge]

the only 2 things linking hallownest and pharloom timelines are when weavers arrived to hallownest and when hornet was captured

[old basin]

I don’t really get what you’re saying, did not all weavers originate from Pharloom, created from Pharlids by GMS?

[next lagoon]

No

[silk dirge]

what im saying is weavers started heading back to their old home after infection started

[next lagoon]

Half god half wever

[silk dirge]

its possible they never made it and died in the wastes

[old basin]

And then started ruling again?

Or something?

[orchid pine]

What to ya’ll think that chances are that the Cursed Child ending births something like a higher being?

[next lagoon]

Or they went to another place

[silk dirge]

yeah

my point is we only have 2 things definitively linking the timelines so it could be all over which is funny

[next lagoon]

Also we should genuanly get a dlc where trobio devotes to the nightmere heart n he becomes , a NGK trobio like thingi

Maybe the wevers r in the city of steal also?

[silk dirge]

probably

[next lagoon]

We need to see that place

[ornate pier]

There was a weaver descendant found there

[silk dirge]

considering there is one there

not all weavers went to hallownest

id imagine they probably all started running in random directions

[ornate pier]

I think city of steel dlc is highly likely, mainly because thye like have to add sharpe since he's a backer character

[next lagoon]

We gonna get dlc of the city of steal thats 100% gonna become like ss n become a new game

[next lagoon]

Peak

[old basin]

Didn’t they have a map to places outside Pharloom in the weavenest in far fields

[next lagoon]

We r prolly gonna journy to there ehile being hunted by the steal assasins

It will be peak

[silk dirge]

it just says "paths away from pharloom"

so not any specific places

just basically saying run the fuck away

[old basin]

I mean I would assume it implies paths that lead somewhere

[next lagoon]

Ye ofc it leads somehwrre

Also

[old basin]

If they just wanted to leave they wouldn’t need complex run maps

It’s not that hard to find an exit from Pharloom

[next lagoon]

Can we get the ability to hug fleas?

We NEED it

[slow olive]

If the citadel was made of stone during pious isamor's time, could the weavers have built the citadel without all the opulence, hence isamor's dialogue regarding excess being sin, and the weavenests were built alongside this citadel of stone era? Then when the weavers died out and the conductors were in charge, thats when the citadel started becoming more opulent and covered in gold? Is this a possibility?

[old basin]

Who

[silk dirge]

weavenests are pre citadel

[old basin]

What makes you think that

[silk dirge]

the order goes weavenests -> citadel of stone -> gilded citadel

[slow olive]

Thats what im going at, which citadel are we talking about. The opulent citadel we have now or this past citadel that was just stone?

[silk dirge]

weavenest atla has a model of a bell shrine

[next lagoon]

Maybe when we get act 4 we should be able to get out of pharloom n go wonder in the city of steal

[old basin]

Does it so

[next lagoon]

Maybe the acvtual reson of our capture is because the higher ups said so?

[silk dirge]

that places all weavenest experiments at the same time

[next lagoon]

We would have to go throught the wasteland

[old basin]

Yeah but where is this bell model you speak of

I never saw it so I would like to know

[silk dirge]

snare setter room i believe

[next lagoon]

N why we hav a clear way of exiting pharloom withoit lowk using it from sum

[slow olive]

What makes the other weavenests being built the same time as the atla weavenest tho

[silk dirge]

i mean it makes sense to place them all at the same time

[next lagoon]

What do u think abt my city of steal theory?

[silk dirge]

they wouldnt have reasons to build secret hideouts if gms is asleep

[unique canopy]

Snitchfly home?

[old basin]

They need homes

[silk dirge]

i mean that is not what weavenest were used for

weavenests were used to experiment on ways to deal with gms

[next lagoon]

Maybe when we get act 4 we should be able to get out of pharloom n go wonder in the city of steal .
Maybe the acvtual reson of our capture is because the higher ups said so?
We would have to go throught the wasteland
After the end of the citadel ( i think ) we wont get captured again so why shouldnt hornet be able to leave pharloom n go to the city of steal?

[silk dirge]

city of steel is likely dlc or even 3rd game

[next lagoon]

Also pls team cherry wr should be able to hug the fleas

N name them

[silk dirge]

hornets capture was by gms

[next lagoon]

N pet them

[silk dirge]

flea plushies are going to go out of sale in like a minute after being put on sale

[next lagoon]

Ye , n after she defetes lost lace n the other shyt happenes isnt gms ded or sum?

[next lagoon]

Yes

[silk dirge]

yes

[next lagoon]

Ye

[silk dirge]

but hornet isnt captured after killing gms

[next lagoon]

She wont get captured anymore n the cutadel is practicly ded along the city

[old basin]

How would hornet find city of steel smh

[next lagoon]

Map

N clues

Idk

[old basin]

True

[solemn axle]

will we get any useful contents of the masks makers?

[silk dirge]

they make masks for bugs that dont have them

masks and faces are the same thing

[next lagoon]

Maybe in act 4 we will acctualy understand what the map is n we will adventure out into smaller cityes n kindooms

[next lagoon]

Maybe lore idk

[silk dirge]

my understanding is some bugs straight up are born without faces

[solemn axle]

that's it?

[silk dirge]

and need masks

[silk dirge]

i mean that is their task

[old basin]

They also have funky eyes

[next lagoon]

R their faces r forbiden to be seen

[silk dirge]

as for their origins that is a good question

how mask makers are picked isnt know

[solemn axle]

I hope we get more content

[next lagoon]

Maybe they were use dby gods to give inteligence to mortal bugs

[silk dirge]

they give focus to bugs without faces is my understanding

[next lagoon]

Mask can contain ones existnece/life form so it isnt really a strech

[next lagoon]

Ye maybe sum like that

Also who wins

Prime GMS vs prime Radience or abs radiencr

[old basin]

Absrad

[silk dirge]

radiance

[solemn axle]

Radiance Ig

[silk dirge]

not even close

[next lagoon]

It might be a lil close tho

[silk dirge]

prime gms got fucking put to sleep by her own creations

fraud higher being

[next lagoon]

Also we need more info abt life blood/plasmium

[next lagoon]

Frfr

[old basin]

Who says same wouldn’t happen to rad

[silk dirge]

that is going to be a dlc probably

[solemn axle]

GMS is weak, she didn't even have an equal enemy but seems to loose everything

[old basin]

Nobody tried singing her a lullaby

[fresh badger]

Pharloom bay

[next lagoon]

Also why is plasmium lowk like the radiences infection

[fresh badger]

Because team cherry is unoriginal

[next lagoon]

It tskes over a bugs mind

[solemn axle]

Radiance will always wake up

[next lagoon]

Rad was forgotten by her own creations also

Dont forget that

[silk dirge]

radiance managed to survive despite being locked away in a void being

[solemn axle]

I hate to say it but plasmium seems more dangerous

[silk dirge]

and even broke out of it

[next lagoon]

But even wekeen n forgoten she still escaped the graps of the void once

[fallen mortar]

Is the knight and vessels un-gendered because pale king x White lady’s kins are just like that or is it because it’s corpse puppeteered by void

[next lagoon]

agree

[old basin]

I mean is she even though

[next lagoon]

If seems liel that

[old basin]

She’s in the dream realm

[next lagoon]

Cant radience , the god of gods take over GMS mind?

[solemn axle]

idk, hornet still has a gender so maybe because of the void?

[old basin]

Void

[solemn axle]

void destroyed both

[old basin]

Is the most likely answer

[solemn axle]

can we please fight Unn

[old basin]

I think being submerged in the unending violent abyss at the bottom of the world isn’t good for you

[next lagoon]

The vessels r the children of 2 higher who befor birth were subcome to the void n made them practicly 150% absolut beings so practicly beyond gods ,no wonder the knight was abel to become || the shade lord || , if hornet where to fight the knight ( after void heart ofc ) it will be coughing baby vs atomic bomb ahh fight

[fallen mortar]

That’s what I thought but that might have something to do with herra being a weaver and weavers only being able to produce females

[next lagoon]

Radiance even weakened escaped it graps once

We cant forget thst

GMS got sucke din the void

[old basin]

I mean nothing states they can only birth females but they are themselves all girlbosses

[next lagoon]

Also it might have done it a second time if the kngith didnt get rid of its physical body n js beat her ass

Anyways

[fallen mortar]

Girlboss in 2025 means ethnically cleansing every neighbouring kingdom 🦾

[next lagoon]

We all agree that the knight is defenetly a he?

[old basin]

F tier ragebait

[next lagoon]

What?

[solemn axle]

No, I beg to differ... I think weavers has males but we don't see them because most of the spiders kill their male mates after the process

[limpid summit]

The vessels as we know don’t have genders

[next lagoon]

Yes

Yes but he gives her vibes n lil brother vibes

[old basin]

Gms refers to them as daughters and yhe weavers to their kin as sisters

[solemn axle]

yes, but that's not because the boid is weak...pale king didn't put it in the right vessel

[next lagoon]

As a lil brother he gives me lil brother vibes

[fallen mortar]

Maybe? I guess lore doesn’t specifically state that weaver’s can’t have male kins

[limpid summit]

I mean like

It could also be older than her

[solemn axle]

How do they reproduce?

[limpid summit]

Vibes don’t really matter

[next lagoon]

Its imposible to make a completely hollow vessel

Even the kngith isn't perfect

[limpid summit]

No offense ❤️‍🩹

[old basin]

I suppose they don’t

[next lagoon]

They mattsr

[solemn axle]

gms is sexist then

[old basin]

They seem to live very long and are kinda godlike

[next lagoon]

She knitted them from silk probably

[old basin]

They can reproduce with non weavers though as seen with hereah

[fallen mortar]

they can but it’s mentioned in the lore that it’s a painful process

[old basin]

Where is it mentioned

[edgy nebula]

eva

[fallen mortar]

It was eva’s dialogue if I remember correctly

[old basin]

What’s said

[solemn axle]

herrah produced and she was a weaver

[next lagoon]

She is a arahnide who was ascended to wever

[next lagoon]

Ye

[solemn axle]

maybe mating with other bugs? like herrah and the pale king?

[fallen mortar]

I’m not gonna remember every quote I find word to word

[edgy nebula]

she comments on weaver birth and her birth, saying it's painful/impossible for weavers and so she was made differently

[fallen mortar]

I barely remember peoples name after they’ve told me it within 3 minutes

[old basin]

Made in a lab

[next lagoon]

Ye , but the plale king is a wyrm so he might not count

[fallen mortar]

Why did Weavers think it’s a good idea to flee to another kingdom made by a pale being anyways

[unique pagoda]

Since gms made weawers from smaller creatures could it be possible for their reproductive system to just not be designed for that "new" body?

[next lagoon]

Maybe they use the GMS thenique n after she was born not really a wever she was ascented to one but ofc not a perfect one lowk resembling her past apearence

After all wevers r loek the children of GMS

so it might make sens

[fallen mortar]

Kinda like human birthing process being extremely painful due to us starting to walk on two legs and as result making us have small pelvis?

[next lagoon]

Also was GMS after making the wevers called mother silk n after the log time passed was called a grandma?

[foggy fractal]

Eva: I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task.
Hornet: I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also its victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits.

it's a painful near impossible task but it isn't impossible, we also hear mentions of some weaver decendents including a 1/4 and two 1/8 weavers

[unique canopy]

The mother who is grand

[cedar owl]

the silk mother grand

[next lagoon]

So that means that hornet had canonscly had children?

[timber pond]

I also might think the enemies in deepnest might be part weaver, and the weavers bred with "The Lord of the deep"there to create offspring. Kinda fucked up when you think about that though.

[next lagoon]

She is basicly a grandma

[fallen mortar]

It definitely didn’t make sense for weaver looking enemies to be so weak tbh, that explains a lot

[unique pagoda]

Possibly... GMS took pharlids (iirc) and elevated them, but since they were already their own being the change could have messed up their biology

[foggy fractal]

no, she says that she is "spawn of one managed to overcome it's limits"
spawn being Hornet, and one being Herrah

[fallen mortar]

Must’ve been the wind

[cedar owl]

nah she just made it torturously painful for them to give birth because she thought it would be funny

[next lagoon]

Ye but that also could mean that she had children

Witch means that she might be an acctual grandma

[cedar owl]

(she was correct)

[foggy fractal]

we don't know that, that's baseless
she can be a victim of the curse without having children herself

[timber pond]

I think pale beings have a history with fucking uo bugs and making them wigged out. Tbh lol

So its probably a nature thing

[foggy fractal]

and its not like she mentioned or implied that she has children ever

[fallen mortar]

So is creating the worst imaginable dystopia and committing unspeakable atrocities a pale being thing or them thing

[next lagoon]

Prolly not , she said she had mates before n they all died because she over aged them , that means that she might have made children of her own cuz she also said that maiting is common for bugs n that she seemed that herself withc might mean she acctualy had babies n she is a grandma

Grandmother silk hornet

[unique pagoda]

Eva says "My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task." but it is not specified (at least here) that gms intentionally made it harder, maybe it's just somethings she didn't think o care about

[next lagoon]

Withc also meam she probably over livrd them too

[timber pond]

Well pale beings want sustained servitude and like to evolve for that purpose for whatever reason, so I would say, thusfar , its kinda a pale being thing.

[sweet shale]

probably the weavers having such big heads make birth painful for the same reason as humans

[next lagoon]

Also the white lady is canonacly addicted to making love

[fallen mortar]

Me when I see a gay couple next door so I slime him and shove his soul into spring suit because I’m pale being

[cedar owl]

I'm so washed at sarcasm

no one gets it anymore

I used to be good at this

[next lagoon]

U too good they dont even get it

[sweet shale]

/s sacrifices some funny for clarity

[fallen mortar]

Weavers are exactly like mother like child because half the atrocities in this games are in part their doing

[unique pagoda]

it's 1am here and I whould be in bed

[timber pond]

What thr fuck

[next lagoon]

I saw it from a mile away

[unique pagoda]

I'm just too tired

[fallen mortar]

(Green Prince)

[foggy fractal]

I think the most believable argument is that she could've tried or thought of having children in the past
but there's nothing that suggests that she was succesful so it's all speculation

[silk dirge]

the fact that gif didnt get deleted means theres no mods here rn

[next lagoon]

Its 2 am for me n I could still see ut

[timber pond]

OK but slime?

[fallen mortar]

Slang for kill

[unique pagoda]

damn... I guess I'll just have to recognise my incompetence

[timber pond]

Oh I see

[next lagoon]

K , also we NEED to be able to give nicknames and pet the fleas

We need that , NOW

[next lagoon]

Anyways

Gn , ima go to sleep

[unique pagoda]

fishing the lake for nametags?

[next lagoon]

N may god give us a trobio accepting the nightmare heart in act 4 n becoming a ngk like boss fight

[next lagoon]

No , hornet js gives them nicknames n it will be cool if even the fleakeeper will talk abt ur name ideas

No slurs allowed tho

Anyqays , gn

[old basin]

Thanks

[frigid belfry]

how tf did silk conjure the everbloom btw

and why doesnt she conjure a thermonuclear bomb

[vestal swan]

The spell did

[silk dirge]

hornet cant create shit out of thin air from silk

[barren beacon]

The spell seemingly required so much power the Shamans fucking died due to casting it

[silk dirge]

yeah

[frigid belfry]

werent the snail shamans using the power of the 3 hearts to venture into the memory, not to make the everbloom

[barren beacon]

I wonder if had the fourth shaman been alive for the events of the game, would it have affected at all?

[silk dirge]

they were using it for the whole deal

[barren beacon]

It was to venture into the memory to retrieve the Everbloom

[frigid belfry]

how the fuck did she go into a memory and take shit

[barren beacon]

Question btw, how do the Snail Shaman's "Soul" work? Is it their actual souls they give

[barren beacon]

Due to the spell.

[vestal swan]

4th shaman and the fourth heart might have at least somebody live

[silk dirge]

i dont think silk is able to be made into whatever you want

[barren beacon]

The spell allowed that

[frigid belfry]

😔

[timber pond]

It was both the 3 hearts AND thier lives. Motherfuckers had to Overwat thier spell to get it done

[vestal swan]

Shaman's allegedly have way more than a normal bug (I say allegedly because I can't remember where this is ever said), so they stored some up and put it in jars for the spell to trap GMS, and then they used the hearts as the catalyst for the new spell and that still wasn't enough and apparently neither was the excess soul they had

[frigid belfry]

allathat for some bum ass flower that broke

why doesnt hornet just ask the knight to subdue lace. is she stupid?

[timber pond]

I think they passively collect it from the environment base don thier charms from game one and the fact that they "contain" it in stuff in skong.

[barren beacon]

Because the Knight isn't there and she has no fucking clue it could do that

Mere are you rage baiting atp

[silk dirge]

i think the shamans are inherently like more powerful than mortal bugs

i imagine shamans might kind of be like weavers but with pure soul

[timber pond]

Its the only thing that resists the goop.

For some reason

[silk dirge]

aka they arent gods but their mastery of it is higher than a mortal bug could regularly achieve

same with moths

[timber pond]

I think of them more like Alchemists

[silk dirge]

of note both seer and the ancestral mound shaman can detect when you dream nail them

which tells me they are more powerful than a mortal bug

[timber pond]

They study the things that animate and control life and make equivalent exchanges to draw out power in spells

[vestal swan]

That's not a power check that's a intelligence/power compatibility thing

[frigid belfry]

im joking lmao, its a reference to a youtube thumbnail "is he stupid"

[barren beacon]

I do not care

[silk dirge]

i mean i would guess thats an ability you have to be born with

[barren beacon]

On the topic of shamans though, their shells have something to do with their usage of soul right?

[silk dirge]

i dont think sherma could decide one day to learn how to detect when his mind is being accessed

[barren beacon]

The Snails in HK are Foreigners?

[frigid belfry]

since the soul sanctum found that normal bugs could not handle soul manipulation, what the hell did shamans figure out

[vestal swan]

It might have to do with the way they learn to focus? Because they have spiral focus

[barren beacon]

Are the Snails in Pharllom also Foreigners

[timber pond]

Again, I think they can absorb it naturally

[frigid belfry]

either they are normal bugs who figured soul out, or they have some distinction that allows them to control soul

[vestal swan]

We don't actually know if any of them are foreign but the Skong snail family has really old ties in silksong

They have a unique type of focus we know that, they also have really old knowledge

We also know they aren't doing spells the stupid way like soul master

[silk dirge]

snail shamans imo are 100% special

[vestal swan]

So I'm leaning towards knowledge gained over generations

[silk dirge]

they definitely do not seem like regular ass bugs tho

[silk dirge]

yeah i could see this

with the shaman crest dialog

[frigid belfry]

shout out to my vengeful spirit shaman though

[timber pond]

Thier shells might also have something to do with it. Spiraling outward and whatver.

[silk dirge]

yeah

[timber pond]

Also weird thing why the hell do they have thier own souls in jars?

[frigid belfry]

their shells remain unscathed after they die so that might be something

[silk dirge]

like i mentioned before i dont think like sherma or shakra could randomly decide they want to learn how to manipulate soul like shamans

[fossil ledge]

I figured these contained the souls of their victims

[fossil ledge]

We do see the scholars of the Soul Sanctum do this, though

[silk dirge]

really badly tho

and thats only bc they extracted soul from a shaman

[timber pond]

The game lists them as thier "Own" soul though. In the quest so idk. I kind of figure that thier "souls" have a way of absorbing other pepoles souls. And this is why they are outcasts and pagans lol

[fossil ledge]

I will say, the no entry reaction is supremely annoying

[frigid belfry]

upon dying in steel soul, the defeated screen looks like the cradle, or the cutscene when getting a silk heart, what could this mean

[fossil ledge]

Yes, might have something to do with injecting soul into themselves or something

[vestal swan]

GMS wins and puppets you ig

[fossil ledge]

I actively avoid chatting here when you're around for this reason, full disclosure

[silk dirge]

im inclined to believe theres a spectrum of how "close" a bug is to a hb

[fossil ledge]

I doubt I'm the only one as well

[frigid belfry]

would that be similar to the scrapped "strung to serve" ending where she absorbs you to strengthen herself?"

[lucid fossil]

it means

[vestal swan]

Ig so

[timber pond]

See now u starting to think like me

[fossil ledge]

Could very well be their own souls. I'm mostly going by their recipes also requiring the souls of pilgrims and such

[dry bridge]

Presumably in the same sort of way that snail shaman in the first game conjures up vengeful spirit, the shamans conjure up a chunk of their own vast souls to give to hornet. Presumably they're long lived and spend enough time cultivating that soul that sticking a bunch in a jar is a safe thing for them to do without like, turning into dead husks

[timber pond]

Those recipies might be for other spells.

[fossil ledge]

Definitely

[lucid fossil]

uhh where? SOUL isnt exclusive to shamans

[dry bridge]

(they also presumably don't carry their souls in jars but instead stick a bunch in a jar when hornet requests it)

[timber pond]

The game lists them as each respective shamans "soul"

[vestal swan]

The final quest items

[silk dirge]

i would say its probably like from furthest away to higher being:
non sapient bugs(driznits, spit squits, pharlids, etc)

sapient mortal bugs(sherma, shakra, pilgrims)

more "powerful" bugs that arent divine(snail shamans, moths, weavers and hornet would be at the very top of this)

higher beings

[vestal swan]

Well snare quest items

[lucid fossil]

oh right!!! idk maybe its one of those things they like to keep handy

[fossil ledge]

I don't recall if it's explicitly said somewhere that the souls we collect from the shamans are their own souls, but given they harvest the souls of bugs, and that this soul has faces, something usually seen in harvested soul, it leads me to believe it might be harvested soul

I'll check their descriptions again real quick

[lucid fossil]

well the seekers soul was in like a bowl underneath a dead shaman

so its probably shaman soul

[timber pond]

Yeah but the thing is, Groal Uses seekers soul to gain its power

[silk dirge]

like the way tk learns soul spells from different shamans around hallownest seems very similar to how hornet learns silk skills from weavers

[lucid fossil]

could seeker soul shaman be the shaman from hk 🤫

[silk dirge]

tk absorbs the shaman or a bunch of their soul and learns the skill this specific shaman was holding

hornet does the exact same shit with weavers

[timber pond]

StarPengu would be upset

[lucid fossil]

@vestal swan hey man lef me theorize here!!! they both be using vengeful spirit

[vestal swan]

They don't and no it's not possible for them to be the same

[lucid fossil]

idk man

[vestal swan]

One hes bound to where he lives and he also doesn't know his family has anything to do with the void, suddenly showing up and being connected to the family that does have ties to the void directly contradicts everything about the character

[lucid fossil]

maybe hes just reallt fast on foot

[silk dirge]

im wondering if its possible shamans were ascended by some higher being we have never learned of or some shit

[frigid belfry]

nah we literally see whos it belongs too, a relative of the caretaker

[lucid fossil]

i thought of them to be void and soul or something

[frigid belfry]

Grand Father Soul

[silk dirge]

bc the other two in that tier were moths who were literally created by a hb and weavers who are ascended pharlids

[vestal swan]

They are not void in any capacity

[blissful harbor]

i like the theory they were normal bugs who found like AC relics and shit and got their abilities from studying them

[fossil ledge]

Well, the items refer to it as soul, singular, so it's probably the shaman's own soul

[lucid fossil]

i didnt know about the bound part

[silk dirge]

thats possible

[fossil ledge]

Curious how they can extract it and keep it away from their own shells without hurting themselves

[lucid fossil]

what are they then? theyre pure black particles that can be absorbed by da knight

[vestal swan]

They are snails

[blissful harbor]

black bugs

[lucid fossil]

is ot forbidden juice

[blissful harbor]

TK absorbs tons of shit tbf

[frigid belfry]

alot of bugs are black (no radist) underneath their shell

[lucid fossil]

thats not really an answer to my question!!! bugs in hollow knight are diffrent from what theyre bamed after

[vestal swan]

TK eats a car battery and uses it to fly, consuming an entire bug's body to learn their spell is not weird

They are snails

[lucid fossil]

im not talking about their body but the fact they collapse into black particles that get absorbed

[silk dirge]

anyways yeah my take is shamans, moths and weavers all got special abilities mortal bugs cannot access from somewhere

[frigid belfry]

i was timed out on a server for saying the actual word so i didnt wanna take my chances

[fossil ledge]

Particles are a bit misleading, but there are particles that look very similar to or identical to void particles used for other things.

I believe the implication is that the Knight is absorbing the Shaman's power for its own

[vestal swan]

Their body is black it's going to collapse into black particles, do you expect it to change color?

[frigid belfry]

decoy void

[lucid fossil]

literally no bugs explode into black particles, all they do is flop dead

or into chunks

[blissful harbor]

grey prince zote does

[vestal swan]

Most of these bugs have exoskeletons

GPZ is a figment of Brettas imagination

[lucid fossil]

zote is void yeah we know bud

[frigid belfry]

god

idk they experimented with void

[vestal swan]

It doesn't

[lucid fossil]

but a bug wouldnt explode into perfectly shaped black void-like particles that attract to the knifht

[vestal swan]

They explicitly did not

[blissful harbor]

the shaman tells us TK uses the other shamans essence to combine the spell with TK’s own void

[vestal swan]

It's soul, soul can carry information and so can bodies by the way hornet's abilities work

[blissful harbor]

the shamans get used as a battery essentially

[vestal swan]

Videogame logic

[lucid fossil]

its likely some shamans decided to play witt it and others didnt. maybe its a case where they're the same bug but sprout in different cultures

[sweet shale]

at some point tc just decided to start copying hollow knight word for word

[frigid belfry]

so what about the crystal peaks shaman, or the fact that caretaker explicitely says "his family had inclinations (talking about trapping gms in void)"

[lucid fossil]

😭

okay man

[vestal swan]

Same species
different country
different family

[vestal swan]

Same as why items float and glow

[frigid belfry]

same species, same tendencies, outright says they like void

"You should well know our family's fixations. Surely you had a hunch? How else could we hope to trap one of your pale kin? Or see her consumed with such insatiable efficiency? "

[blissful harbor]

the HK shaman says the ones there specifically didnt mess with void

it’s like some guys over in florida fucking with a gator
i don’t endorse that just cause we’re the same species, and it doesn’t mean humans as a whole are a bunch of gator wranglers
if that makes sense

[vestal swan]

Yum, gator

[lucid fossil]

id say they are different imo. TC merges them (logic and lore) together a bit. u cant just fold and resort to that, they could've just made it so you instsntly gain the ability instead of adding particles

[frigid belfry]

not saying all of them, just pointing out the suspicious crystal peaks and skong ones

[lucid fossil]

well 'family' is mentioned, not species

[elder rune]

I find the Crystal Peaks Snail more sus ‘cus I hated their parkour section

[vestal swan]

Nothing about the one in peaks is different?

[frigid belfry]

we've seen 7 shamans, 4 of them have direct connections to void, kind of suspicious

the others are dead or know about void

[vestal swan]

We have confirmation from one that tells us that the other half did not touch it?

[blissful harbor]

only 3 of them do afaik

[vestal swan]

What's so hard to understand about explicit dialogue

[frigid belfry]

"family" refers to the caretakers family, which is all the skong ones

[blissful harbor]

oh wait it is 4

[frigid belfry]

sister, brother, and weird dead nephew or some

[blissful harbor]

i’m stupid

[vestal swan]

The silksong shamans say their family has been to the abyss in the past, if the dead one is also their family they are included in the tangential relation to the abyss

[frigid belfry]

the crystal peaks one outright gives us abyss powers

[blissful harbor]

shhh ik i cant count

[vestal swan]

Yes and it excludes all of the ones in hollow Knight?

[frigid belfry]

crystal peaks cuh

[vestal swan]

No

Crystal peaks has nothing to do with silksong

[blissful harbor]

the crystal peak shaman doesn’t have anything to do with void

[frigid belfry]

what does he give you upon being freed

[frigid belfry]

im saying shamans in general

[vestal swan]

And that's incorrect

[blissful harbor]

the void spell comes the same way the others do, TK uses it as a battery to combine the original ddive into ddark

[sweet shale]

the fact that he gives you a void upgrade is pretty damning

[blissful harbor]

it’s not the shaman giving us a void spell, it’s TK creating a void spell using the shaman

[vestal swan]

We already had that part of the conversation scroll up

[frigid belfry]

???

[sweet shale]

mb i just got here

[blissful harbor]

i can get the dialogue

the shaman tells us this verbatim

[wheat locust]

Its TK pivoting off of the power of the Shaman to upgrade their own spell is it not?

[pseudo raptor]

You could argue that Caretaker expects Hornet to know they're messing with void just because she identified them as snail shamans, since none of the Pharloom 4 are seen to do anything with void before the quest

[vestal swan]

Knowledge not power

[vestal swan]

Which is a terrible assumption no matter how you slice it

Idiots on both end of that conversation, snail and hornet

[frigid belfry]

yeah i never said they had void powers if i understand you correctly

[vestal swan]

They're not tied to it at all

[frigid belfry]

im saying they were interested and probably dabbled in it

[blissful harbor]

What's this? My vengeful gift has warped within you. You've twisted it into something... else. Ohohohoh! I knew it. My friend! You're a marvel. Your essence has melded with the spell. You must have found a powerful source to transform it in such a unique, expressive way.

[vestal swan]

And we are telling you repeatedly that the game tells you the exact opposite

[sweet shale]

ok that seems pretty clear

[vestal swan]

Don't no react me because you don't want to read

[silk dirge]

tbh yeah i think it could be likely hornet was not familiar with snail shamans that used void

she doesnt seem to suspect it at all

she acts very surprised at it

[sweet shale]

maybe the caretaker assumed all shamans were like them

[silk dirge]

yeah

[pseudo raptor]

Yeah

[frigid belfry]

so what happened to crystal peaks one

[vestal swan]

The safe assumption is that all shamans are idiotic power hungry loners, because one got found in the school of magic, one got found inside a crystal, one somehow got trapped in his own house (curses exist now so let's blame one of those),

[vestal swan]

You eat it and learn knowledge to upgrade your spell

The same with the other one

[frigid belfry]

what do you eat

[blissful harbor]

why are we blaming the kidnap victim

[wheat locust]

The lad was crystalised
TK just absorbs the shamans power and uses it as a pivot point to imbue his own power and the shamans power into upgrading the spell

[blissful harbor]

it’s essence

snail bits

[vestal swan]

The city was sealed off how they get in there? So there's two realistic scenarios for why the shaman is there, imo, he thought he could exploit the sanctum, or he was already there trying to learn

[frigid belfry]

how tf did we get this

the knight absorbs soul to use void and soul?

[sweet shale]

probably captured

[vestal swan]

Did you not read the dialogue that was provided to you

[blissful harbor]

the shaman literally says it

[vestal swan]

@frigid belfry

[blissful harbor]

here

[frigid belfry]

words are diddicult

[frigid belfry]

sounds like a catalyst in the sense that the crystal peaks guy had void knowledge

[blissful harbor]

how did u get tht

[vestal swan]

The best evidence is actually the one that doesn't involve a shaman at all, TK use their sound based spell to scream at a rock and they learn how to improve it from the echo

[silk dirge]

anyways yeah i will be of the opinion hornet didnt know the pharloom shamans messed with void

[frigid belfry]

they literally scream at creatures found in the abyss

[silk dirge]

i think based off what we know its a very likely thing

[vestal swan]

They scream at a cave ceiling

[blissful harbor]

that’s weird AC bs
something about jumping into the void sea…man i love what SS added to the AC

[frigid belfry]

abyss cave ceiling

[wheat locust]

I mean the Shaman in Crossroads doesn't seem power hungry, I feel like Hallownest shamans are moreso just Curious rather than Power hungry, though I would say they got done in by them being pure idiots and doing something stupid to themselves to get them in their situations

[vestal swan]

Crossroads snail is trapped in his house, I think the fact that they're alive is simply because they are not leaving and doing something stupid by themselves

[sweet shale]

is unn related to nuu

[silk dirge]

i think theres definitely more differences between hallownest and pharloom shamans

pharloom shamans dont inhabit mounds

in hk it seems they are bound to them

[blissful harbor]

i think nuu is a kissing bug oddly enough and not a snail

or slug ig

[silk dirge]

in silksong they can go wherever

[vestal swan]

I think that's more because they used to have a temple, they aren't worried about setting up a house, one of them literally lives in the Bell "sewers" they are still hermits by nature

Caretaker is extremely pissed off that you wake him up and you start bringing people to his house

[blissful harbor]

they basically do

[silk dirge]

so yeah i do genuinely think while they are from the same tribe they have different traditions than hallownest such as messing with void

[blissful harbor]

the chapel, the bell, and the church

improvised mounds

[sweet shale]

none of the places they live remotely resemble mounds

[wheat locust]

Where do we get that he is trapped? I mean I think I know, I'm assuming its by the fact that they just didn't go out and deal with the lads in their backroom, but I always put that to something like laziness

[vestal swan]

I don't know how the bell hermit lives beneath all that noise TBH

[silk dirge]

it makes sense the shaman in crossroads wouldnt know about like shamans across the world that use void

[vestal swan]

He says he is bound to his mound iirc

[silk dirge]

when he says his kind he probably means like hallownest shamans

[wheat locust]

aah, cool

[minor hill]

ok...
what exactly is the Song?

why is the citadel so obsessed with it?

why does it matter so much?

what does it even do?

[charred radish]

the weavers created a religion to make pilgrims sing to keep grand mother silk asleep

[minor hill]

why exactly was grand mother silk asleep and why did the weavers want to keep her that way

i understand that she was dangerous but why

[sinful nimbus]

They were serving her (presumably by force) and didn't fw that

[charred radish]

the weavers were treated like servants by grand mother silk and so they began to look for ways to get rid of her

[minor hill]

ok

[charred radish]

grand mother silk was put to sleep by the song

[charred radish]

eva is one of these attempts

[minor hill]

and im guessing by the events of silksong shes near waking?

[charred radish]

yes

[minor hill]

cool

[minor hill]

what is eva's deal actually

she was created as a weapon against silk?

[charred radish]

yes

[minor hill]

do we know any specifics or just that she was supposed to take her down somehow

[charred radish]

i dont remember her dialogue but i dont think there were specifics

[vestal swan]

They tried to make a god and ended up with a frail baby

[silk dirge]

eva was supposed to be divine

[vestal swan]

She's been on life support her entire life

[charred radish]

yeah that

[silk dirge]

idk how the weavers wanted to make a god

[minor hill]

so she was literally supposed to throw hands with gms

[silk dirge]

like you guys arent gods you sure as fuck arent making one

[minor hill]

not like some convoluted sealing shit or whatever

[limpid summit]

Lowkey I think they tried to spin a being from their own silk

[vestal swan]

They should have built Eva using void tbh, that probably would have worked

[dry bridge]

some imitation of GMS' divine power, but ultimately a failure because she could not exist in normal atmosphere without unraveling. I personally think they actually did manage to get a semblance of her power in the form of eva's silken sight, since she mentions having "silken sight" and a weavenest relic harp mentions escaping GMS' silken sight

[limpid summit]

Like a collectively made silk being

[minor hill]

ironic

how do i pull up hunters journal entries in this chat

[vestal swan]

If it's from the first game you use a /journal command
If it's from the second game you have to type in the character's name after !wiki

[minor hill]

!wiki wingsmould

[dry bridge]

(Eva's strength relative to GMS in that aspect is likely far weaker, assuming silken sight is eva's ability to peer into crests/souls, and assuming it is this same ability that GMS used to uplift pharlids into weavers, while eva can just help hornet unlock her own hidden potential)

[sinful nimbus]

Its wingmould 🤓

[minor hill]

!wiki wingmould

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Wingmould

Hollow Knight Wiki

Wingmould

Did you mean:
• Wingmould (Hollow Knight)
• Wingmould (Silksong)

[minor hill]

dawg

you pmo

[vestal swan]

It's there click the second link

Lol

[sinful nimbus]

ewwww silksong wingmoulds

[vestal swan]

It's not going to pull up the same way cuz the bot isn't done being set up like that

[minor hill]

alr

[shy island]

could the white lady be related to the parasite thingy? I mean they're both roots kind of thing

[sinful nimbus]

[[Wingmould (Silksong)]] 🥱

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Wingmould_(Silksong)

[shy island]

like similar species or sum

[minor hill]

yeah howd that work out for you bud

[sinful nimbus]

The wiki bot respects me

[minor hill]

probably not

[sinful nimbus]

Root seems to be a descriptor for certain plantlike entities

[dry bridge]

possibly but we really don't have enough details on either's nature to say for certain so it's a bit of a dead end

[silk dirge]

say that again

this is the second time ive made this joke with someone saying unravel today

this was the first time

[vestal swan]

I don't mess with discord bots really and I'm not part of the wiki team so I wouldn't know

[sinful nimbus]

The wiki bot works fine?

Hallowscribe is the thing that's being worked on

Probably

[vestal swan]

No I mean it just doesn't do the same thing yet, for silksong

[sinful nimbus]

fym

[vestal swan]

Yeah see I didn't even notice they were two different bots

[sinful nimbus]

[[Sister Splinter]]

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Sister_Splinter

[silk dirge]

also is it just me or do people randomly misremember it as splinter sister

i think like yesterday i was thinking is it splinter sister or sister splinter

i couldnt remember lol

[vestal swan]

I've never seen it reversed but I've also come up with a lot of bad names for the bosses because I forgot them immediately

Literally like 30 seconds after I beat 4th chorus I went into the staff channel and said fourth encore

[silk dirge]

i think i called the unravelled the unravelling once

[vestal swan]

I still can't remember most of the names

Like that giant thing with the skull on it

No idea

[silk dirge]

skull tyrant

you should get your memory checked 😭

that is a pretty easy boss to remember the name of

[pseudo raptor]

Called mites fleas for days because they looked closer to the real things

[silk dirge]

silksong mites are definitely supposed to be like rats

[sinful nimbus]

Sorry I put all of my memories in lockets 😔

[silk dirge]

thats that means canonically moorwing is the equivalent of a giant flying rat

[vestal swan]

I definitely have memory issues, and doctors cost money, so I will just continue to lose my mind until I have full alzheimer's moments

Moorwing was like the trained guard dog though, so it's like a Rottweiler bat

[pseudo raptor]

Got the looks of a falconry hood too

[foggy swan]

how miserable is green prince on a scale of 1-10? 1 being normal person and 10 being empty

[fathom hill]

9

9.5?

ig theres a part that doesnt actively ask you to kill him

[sterile jacinth]

Dude is pretty much in hell. 9 probably

[foggy swan]

oh

[prisma quail]

Does the Silksong lore about masks discredit Mossbag's maskmaker video? I heard someone saying that but forgot the specifics

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong reveals that Mask Makers are contracted by an unknown entity to create masks that can alter the identity of a bug, the Mask Makers wearing masks themselves to numb themselves to the heaviness of their task

I haven't watched mossbag's video about Mask Maker so I can't really comment on it but its probably outdated since this is new information

[prisma quail]

I guess he said it was necessary for bugs to be sentient

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah that's not really true

[ionic bear]

i need the gangstalicius shorts for thugsters

i think hornet would rock those

hornet definitely has a pair actually

[foggy fractal]

star what is your pfp this time looks pretty cool

[sinful nimbus]

Album cover https://psychoticwaltz.bandcamp.com/album/mosquito

[zenith quartz]

Guys what is hornet relationship with her siblings father and mother

I know she hated vessels but didn't that got changed over the corse of hollow knight

Wdyth

[sinful nimbus]

She never hated vessels she says she feels pity for them

[marble oasis]

He does say contract but he also calls his making of the masks a gift

[sinful nimbus]

The only one she shows overt disdain for is her father

[spark valve]

You can be contracted to make gifts for people

[marble oasis]

Wouldn't he say "What greater service?" in that case

[sinful nimbus]

But she also kinda repeatedly disses all pale beings so White Lady with a big big kinda

That's not her father

Ignore me

[spark valve]

He can still see his role as a gift to bugs

[sinful nimbus]

She likes Herrah

[marble oasis]

She likes white lady too

[foggy fractal]

oh hey that's pretty cool- MOSQUITO ?!?!?!

[sinful nimbus]

She didn't really spend time with her tho

[foggy fractal]

🦟 hey guys...

[sinful nimbus]

They made an entire album about Great Hoppers 🗣️

[spark valve]

You mean squits

[sinful nimbus]

They don't drink blood

[marble oasis]

do great hoppers?

[foggy fractal]

source ?

[vestal swan]

Parasite theory keeps coming back

[sinful nimbus]

Hoppers drink blood hunter even notes they explode into blood gushers if you roast them over open flame

[vestal swan]

Yum

[spark valve]

mosquito

[foggy fractal]

oml

[spark valve]

Also they’re probosci

[foggy fractal]

#noticing......

[sinful nimbus]

Oh and they have a proboscis and a hopper like thorax

[spark valve]

They could be related

Or convergent evolution

We don’t talk about squits being in both kingdoms

[sinful nimbus]

Spit Squits drink Bilewater and spit out the toxic portions

Squits do not have an orange organ and instead its blue

Therefore they drink Greenpath acid and spit out the acidic stuff

[spark valve]

hn squits seem to just stab

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah the spitting is offscreen

[spark valve]

Y’know what it would be a fun change anyways

[marble oasis]

If you make them retroactively add spit squits into hollow knight I will turn you into a campfire story so help me god

[spark valve]

On it just give me 2-5 business years

[sinful nimbus]

New update where squits are completely unchanged unless you try the squit skip and then it unleashes a new acid glob attack followed by an acid explosion when you kill it

[snow sonnet]

This is gonna happen in the hk rewrite update

[sinful nimbus]

HK rewrite ❤️

The one where Hornet's dialogue about not choosing your mothers and feeling pity for the vessels birth is removed

[tawdry flare]

WE are waiting for the Rewritten History DLC

[foggy fractal]

slabfly journal dialogue is tc's greatest fumble

[tawdry flare]

Wait is that zor

[foggy fractal]

in my mind anyway, what do you guys think

[snow sonnet]

No it's inus

[marble oasis]

where

[tawdry flare]

Nah it shows she’s a flawed protagonist (a little racist)

[foggy fractal]

she isn't just a little racist she's mega racist 😭

[spark valve]

etv is worse

[marble oasis]

She's mega racist but only to one species so it's only a little bit overall

[spark valve]

like a lot worse

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah

doesn't affect me much though, I eat up anything TC produces

not to say that it isn't bad

what's the peakest of peak then ? dnm ?

thk's writing ?

[sweet shale]

the part where you fuck up millibelle

[sinful nimbus]

DNM is the peak

[foggy fractal]

menu theme motif at the end:

😻

[whole hawk]

Just finished the Mossbag video. I like his stuff but I was surprised how he completely misread such an important cutscene between Hornet and White Lady.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah exactly