sk-lore

[timber pond]

I mean IDK. mabye they need to marinate or something?

[silk dirge]

i mean charms never made much sense

crests have a lot of in game lore on how they work

[timber pond]

It would sense that charms are the "dreams" imprinted from a bug when they die because thats how Essence works otherwise

[craggy smelt]

hornet left her charm notches behind

[fossil ledge]

I'd agree, but we know from Salubra that charms can be used by regular bugs and have observable effects

Also from Sly's dialogue

I would admittedly not consider Sly and Salubra "normal" bugs either, but Hornet should more than qualify to wield these even if its magic was inaccesible to mortal bugs, no?

[silk dirge]

hornet probably can wield charms but crests are cooler

[fossil ledge]

Crests aren't the equivalent of charms, though

There is no real equivalent of crests in HK

Charms are like tools in Silksong

[marble oasis]

Not all charms are made upon death, plenty are artificially produced

Stuff like the memory crystal, pin badge, egg of flealia, thief's mark would absolutely qualify as charms

[fossil ledge]

Egg of Flealia definitely. The others less so, but still possible

Even if we consider these four charms though, given the amount of dead bugs and such in Pharloom, one would think there'd be more charms if that magic system existed there

[cursive heart]

can someone explain me the lore after what happens after sister of the void ending

[fossil ledge]

To think that out of the above four, only one is confirmed native of Pharloom (memory crystal), while the others may or may not be

[fossil ledge]

After the ending? So after the cutscene?

[cursive heart]

yeah i see lace and hornet then credits

[fossil ledge]

Well, we see void tendrils disappear, so it can be assumed the void takeover was stopped. GMS is implied to have died

We can assume that Hornet leaves at some point, given how often she talks about not staying in Pharloom

As for Lace, not sure how long she can last with GMS

[cursive heart]

ohhhhhh

ok

[marble oasis]

hornet is basically the only one who can sustain lace now

[cursive heart]

thx and is there any secret stuff i can do after her like something changes in npc or somethin secret

[craggy smelt]

the ending is as far as the story goes for now

we can only wait and see if DLC will continue it. maybe an Act 4?! who knows

[marble oasis]

the only thing getting the ending unlocks is a new icon on your save file

[cursive heart]

yeah and lace's needle along side hornets needle

[cursive heart]

if an act 4 it would be fire but we will have to wait like atleast 1-2 years

[craggy smelt]

probably~!

[sudden bison]

dear silksong lore enthusiasts,
what are silkeaters exactly, and how do they exist as a colony in Pharloom (other than being farmed by Styx)?

[marble oasis]

grubs that eat and grow off discarded silk, of which there is plenny in pharloom

[cinder mica]

Help

Sos help

🆘

[dry compass]

where was the cage that captured hornet supposed to go in the intro it went past the blasted steps the only other entrance i can think of to the citadel was sinners road were they just gonna place hornet in the Slab

[craggy smelt]

there may be other, 'Citadel-only' paths that aren't shown
the Grand Gate lift stretches down into parts of Shellwood, and the road the Citadel was taking her along would've reached there

those cages are seen in both the Slab and the Cradle, and Hornet would have ultimately wound up in the Cradel with GMS

[marble oasis]

I don’t know the route, but all other captured Weaver cages ended up in the Cradle

[slim turtle]

I just noticed that the helmet of the Garmond has the same shape as the house in Nameless Village (the one on the very top of the Pharloom) as well as it's Memento.
Could that mean it is the village he was trying to avenge?

[marble oasis]

that’s a common idea but his village was destroyed by the haunting and the haunting doesn’t extend above gms

[slim turtle]

The ghost in the town talks about everyone leaving due to being lured in the Citadel tho

[marble oasis]

The fearsome haunting of thread, it overcame our fair folk..

The weaving ones beckon...
Sweet promises whispered...
Friends seduced...

it seems a bit different

nameless town was deserted in the weaver days

[lethal burrow]

nameless town seems related to old penitent

[marble oasis]

please elaborate

[lethal burrow]

they say "From wastes, from darkness...
Drawn down... blessed call...
Sisters... accord...
Silence above..."

[marble oasis]

hmm so he does

[muted lantern]

I always assumed he was romino but now with the dead conductor in steps hes gotta be from nameless town instead

but i wonder what his sin was

[heavy gyro]

His head is too big to be a conductor

[light tendon]

Can anyone tell me on % scale of how much lore of silksong we have not figured out yet?

[craggy smelt]

honestly? I feel like it's more solid than the lore of the first game

in that I've been left with fewer questions and less to wonder about

that's just my impression though

[heavy gyro]

The lore is pretty figured out except the timeline of some stuff

[hushed crater]

They did leave out much less questions then they did with hk honestly I hope they make it more secretive with some questions they add in the dlcs for now the first thing in my mind is probably the steel soul people they added more lore to them

[viscid ridge]

This might be a stretch, but there is a cut art asset that might show there is another pharlid variant where Herrah would have came from

[craggy smelt]

yeah, a lot of the questions I have about the lore are still ones brought up in the first game
the nature of Wyrms, Roots, the ancient civilization, and the steel clan

that last one at least will hopefully have more answers coming

[hushed crater]

Yea

[shadow lintel]

Hi

Is anyone here?

Hellooooooo

[dire lynx]

yo

[shadow lintel]

Unn

[dire lynx]

yes

[dry compass]

Could there be weavenests in Hallownest as there's a secret room in like Weavers den

[abstract rivet]

I think Weavers weren’t as influential in Hallownest as they were in Pharloom, as in Pharloom it was their whole species scattered around the Kingdom, while Deepnest is a immigrant tribe

So they probably were only in Deepnest

[dry compass]

why would they only live in deepnest not the other areas

[abstract rivet]

Because Deepnest had an really unfriendly stance to foreigners which might indicate that they’re isolationist, also they were just a very small portion of what Pharloom’s weavers population is like

I don’t think hallownest weavers gave a single shit about being influential to the level Pharlooms weaver needed to be to keep GMS asleep

[dry compass]

could other bugs from pharloom moved to hallownest as we see in Sheos hut hes painting a mask that looks really similiar to the mask of the Skarrgard

[abstract rivet]

It could be but we can only make assumptions

[frank dove]

Is that an enemy tho

Oh wait I kind of see it now

[fresh badger]

Bone masks are common

[frank dove]

Yeah right head shape and the legs look spider

[lean temple]

They're spiders so they stuck to bugs like them. They also probably would like to stay as far away from a pale being as possible

And they also kinda don't like to mingle with other bugs

[dry compass]

hmm yeah but from what i know didnt the weavers in hallownest come before the Wyrm so why would they be far away from a pale being did they know the Wyrm was a pale being

[lean temple]

Everyone knew the Wyrm was pale

And again they stuck to beasts like them, even in deepnest they built a den isolated from all the other deepnesters

[marble oasis]

they helped out a lot with the pale king's plans

[lean temple]

Eventually he struck a deal with them

But they didn't come rushing to him. They're pretty isolationist

And we know all that time they were scheming to find a way to usurp GMS, them helping him was also beneficial for their purposes

[ashen granite]

Guys i have a theory hornet got beat up by the knight then got kidnapped got all the abilitys and then beat true ending and then went back to hollow nest for the 2nd fight cus in the second fight she had the spiky tool that floats and uses it alot

[lean temple]

No

That's a design Hornet made

She just gave the blueprints to Forge Daughter

[barren fox]

||grand mother silk vs radiance who wins||

[stray fog]

Then how is the knight in the abyss in the true ending

[ashen granite]

Ok then uhh she did the ending where you send her to the void and while the credits were playing she went back

[stray fog]

😭

[stray fog]

Can you send a screenshot

I want to see that

[dry compass]

freak to small

there

[stray fog]

🤔

Its a nice theory

I dont have much else to say

[dry compass]

i mean we dont see much ants in hallownest

the only ant i can think of in Hallownest is god tamer

[stray fog]

Someone said this earlier but one of the masks hanging on the wall of sly's shop is similar to the extra mask tool you get in silksong

[hidden crater]

Anything for the dlc bro

[dry compass]

i mean team cherry could just be reusing background assets

i might have to replay HK

[stray fog]

Yeah

If there is only one peice of evidence for a theory, I generally don't believe it

Especially if that evidence is "x looks like y"

[edgy nebula]

Sly’s mask comes to a point at the tip, mottled skarr’s doesnt

[dry compass]

Though some guy on Reddit said a Coral Tower Soldier was in resting grounds so I am gonna check

[stray fog]

I believe that one

Because their designs are exactly the same

[edgy nebula]

they look very similar

[dry compass]

god its so confusing to me after playing silksong for so long and going to play HK again

[stray fog]

Maybe even xero

His Armour is like that of karak soldiers, but his anatomy and fighting style are different

[lean temple]

He kinda doesn't have (visible) arms

[stray fog]

That's what I was saying

[lean temple]

Yeah I didn't know what anatomy was referring to specifically

[charred nimbus]

Well, the resting grounds guy i actually belive, Xero on the other hand, i think it's pushing way too far

[charred nimbus]

Also, those masks actually look very similar to some of the masks that the first snail shaman uses on his little staff posts outside their domain

So i guess it's just a overral cool design Team cherry likes for a mask

[ornate pier]

I think god tamer was confirmed to be a cockroach?

[drifting apex]

what's the explaination for hornet being able to fight karmelita by just playing her needolin? Like how is she able to access/resonate with her mind and get inside it? If that makes sense

[zenith gorge]

Magic and stuff
It’s silk soul needolin magic

[dire lynx]

yeah, she is

[limpid summit]

Guys

I think we found the layout of the steel city

The home spear

[spark valve]

And dream magic

There’s a pretty well established mechanism for that sort of thing

[unique tangle]

https://youtu.be/K4Zoq1Yk-dM?si=2nBQ7FabK34vqLbH

[charred nimbus]

WHAT

[unique tangle]

New mossbag

[charred nimbus]

MOSSBAG POSTED?

[amber bridge]

AT LONG LASTTTTT

[hidden crater]

MOSSBAG POST

[charred nimbus]

WE DIDN'T HAD TO WAIT 6 YEARS FOR IT!!!

[charred nimbus]

The river will flow again, you're actually my hero

[hidden crater]

RETURN OF THE KING

[low cairn]

RETURN OF THE BAG OF MOSS

[charred nimbus]

MOSSBAG FINALLY BEATED MOSS MOTHER IT SEENS

[hidden crater]

A MOSSBAG UPLOAD???? IN THIS ECONOMY?????

[amber bridge]

this is a national holiday for us silksongers

[hidden crater]

Its like the big bang for lore chat

[edgy nebula]

if mossbag gets ONE karak aspect wrong it's death to him...

[charred nimbus]

he was already sacrificed once, you want him to come back to life again?

[prisma quail]

YES we've got the mossbag video

I'm so happy

[silk dirge]

MOSSBAG

[hidden crater]

Big day for lore chat

[edgy nebula]

looking good so far... nothing bad about karak yet

[silk dirge]

i cant watch the video rn but i hope hes a first sinner is atla believer

[tranquil badger]

Def gonna watch this in a bit

[edgy nebula]

there is a first sinner section of the video but i havent gotten to it yet

[cedar skiff]

well the discussions are gonna be a lot more boring now

a heavy price to pay…

[hidden crater]

Future bobbitwyrm is there any bell beast glaze

[cedar skiff]

actually tbh its gonna open the room for more coherent analysis

[spark valve]

I mean it’s not like mossbag is that reliable a source anyways

[cedar skiff]

true but his is still probably gonna be the most reliable & popular summary

a lot of those big gaming lore channels pumped out straight up wrong lore videos within the week

[silk dirge]

i was watching lorebrains and clicked off when they said they believe widow is the steel city weaver

[cedar skiff]

so i guess its nice to have someone with ball knowledge sum it all up. hopefully more people are up for analysing the story then!

😭 😭

[spark valve]

[edgy nebula]

holy shit hes actually acknowledging the flies being slaves

[silk dirge]

the only other channel ive trusted for silksong lore was fatbrett

his analysis of gms and the conductors was pretty good

i enjoyed it even if he got some stuff wrong

[spark valve]

Better media literacy than many

[cedar skiff]

yesss

[edgy nebula]

"hornet is a generally nice person, but even she has no sympathy for the guardflies, and genuinely wants them all dead"

"im not surprised she feels that way"

what

he says this right after he acknowledges the citadel preys on sin to make the guardflies work

[silk dirge]

his conductor video had a really good and believable analysis of pious isamor

[cedar skiff]

also yeah im more excited for his more specific theory videos anyhow

[limpid summit]

Wait I completely forgot

[frozen hornet]

Mossbag an ccmaci uploading at the same time?

[limpid summit]

Home spear

[silk dirge]

i love my giant pokenabbin statue

[charred nimbus]

Mossbag didn't aknowledge that Khan was a dictator, this video is dead to me now

[edgy nebula]

it's more nuanced than that

[charred nimbus]

how could it be nuanced when we know that Khann was a respected ruler by the military but a hardship rule on normal bugs of his kingdom?

[spark valve]

I mean khann was not a great fellow

[silk dirge]

people dont believe me when i say watcher was probably border control 😭

[twin thunder]

Probably was to be fair, what else would he be watching for.

[edgy nebula]

we dont have any actual evidence of him making bugs suffer in a dictatorship, and his rough and gruff personality and views likely come from wanting to hone his kingdom's strength, instead of wanting weaker bugs to suffer

[snow sonnet]

He had a beautiful area so I'm forgiving him

[vestal swan]

I mean it said that it was a tough militant country and it would have been tough for a non-combative bug, but we don't know that they're throwing weak babies off a cliffs like grindel or something

[edgy nebula]

if he was a dictator it likely wasnt entirely on purpose

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[spark valve]

it's true that the only explicit source about him being a cruel ruler is hornet who is a dumbass but in general it's probably best to be skeptical of someone who very prominently ruled by the sword

[frosty gate]

Finally

[twin thunder]

They probably weren't, they probably segregated the weaker bugs from those he deemed as strong.

Like a lower - higher class thing.

[edgy nebula]

yeah, we just dont have enough evidence to say for sure

[frosty gate]

Hello, what we talking about today

[silk dirge]

i mean khann gets a pass from me bc he had red coral gorge

[edgy nebula]

khann

[spark valve]

Hone yourself!
By strength, overwhelm!
Serve and die!
Let the weak crumble away!
In my name, conquer all!
Defy your limits!
armstrong ahh

[silk dirge]

red coral gorge = free pass from me

[vestal swan]

It's framed more as a the weaker don't get shit than separation, it's like be strong and earn your way or don't get anything

[edgy nebula]

im glad mossbag hasnt messed up khann's lore so far, my only gripe is him not talking about the citadel of stone when bringing up pious isamor

[twin thunder]

Bug segregation is only for the citadel 😞

[charred nimbus]

If this is not dictator like I really don't know what it is

[prisma charm]

holy shit new mossbag video

[twin thunder]

Really?

[twin thunder]

Shit I needa watch it.

[edgy nebula]

should i skip to the act 3 part of mossbag's video to see the khann lore

[twin thunder]

No?

[prisma charm]

watching ts as soon as i get home

[charred nimbus]

Sure

[limpid summit]

He fell into the Cindril timeline trap 💔

Otherwise it’s very good so far

[silk dirge]

bro got ensnared

[hot talon]

i got king's brand , should i immediately open that door ?

[edgy nebula]

what trap?? 😭 what is cindril's lore

[vestal swan]

Hour and a half long video to tell everybody the wrong timeline and make up some more nonsense terms

[twin thunder]

This is silksong-

[limpid summit]

Cindril rune harp is pretty clearly pre Citadel not towards the end of Weaver rule

[hot talon]

oh wait lmao

[spark valve]

there's a common misconception weavenests were created after the citadel

[limpid summit]

Ballador rune harp suggests the consensus was that the Citadel would never cease

[limpid summit]

More specifically that the mass weaver exodus was while they were ruling

[twin thunder]

They obviously weren't since the weavers needed sanctuary from GMS before trapping her in the citadel.

[spark valve]

yeah

[edgy nebula]

lets fucking go he says khann is aurafarming even in death

[limpid summit]

Yup

[spark valve]

the citadel is the product of a weavenest, atla specifically

[limpid summit]

Khann is Not dead bruh

Come onnnnnn

[spark valve]

there's a prototype songshrine bell there

[silk dirge]

honestly the timeline trap is really easy to fall into so i wouldnt blame him

[charred nimbus]

He is when we kill him, before that no

[edgy nebula]

i cant believe he calls her out on this

[limpid summit]

“This low her gaze escaped” fits together with “Flee her silken sight”

[spark valve]

yeah but mossbag falling for it means now way more people will

[spark valve]

and not with 'never to cease, never to falter'

[silk dirge]

i mean of all the things people could fall for im fine with that

[limpid summit]

When you choose to ignore environmental storytelling to believe there was just some random schism between ruling Weavers

[vestal swan]

YouTube is an echo chamber of idiots who waited for their opinions to be made for them

[limpid summit]

At least he sort of (?) acknowledges the fly stuff as bad

[rain gate]

"Don't take everything I say as gospel"

[silk dirge]

yeah but unfortunately people will

[limpid summit]

WE all will

[frosty gate]

Aren't you a bundle of love

[limpid summit]

All of US yes US

[twin thunder]

Mossbag isn't that bad, he just had bad sources and didn't check thoroughly to see what he was saying was correct.

[stray fog]

If the weavers knew about void, why didn't they try a void-based approach to kill gms?

[silk dirge]

absolom tried

she did not appear to have gotten far

[spark valve]

they at least started looking into it but easier said than done

[silk dirge]

absolom is the silk soar weaver

[twin thunder]

You weaponise the void it'll turn against you. HK taught us that.

[vestal swan]

YouTube is the main reason people thought prequel was possible btw, it was a stupid idea from a mistranslation but because a big YouTuber said it everybody believed it

[stray fog]

The weavers wouldn't have known about that

[charred nimbus]

Well, most of the void constructs of Pale king were working perfectly fine

And it wasn't the void who fucked the kingdom, it was Radiance anyway

[vestal swan]

No it didn't? PK was not attacked by the void

[twin thunder]

Wouldn't have known the lashing, aggressive lake of black mass shouldn't be messed with?

[frozen hornet]

But why should he? Is there any leader in the HK universe that wasn't a dictator? Monarchs are just fancy dictators.

[edgy nebula]

shes referring to the vessels, no?

[twin thunder]

I'm referring to the vessels and the abyss.

[vestal swan]

That still doesn't make sense

[stray fog]

They fucked around with everything so what could go wrong with refined petroleum

[vestal swan]

Turning void into a weapon did not backfire with the void hurting anybody???

[charred nimbus]

The vessels didn't rebel agains't PK either

[twin thunder]

Then don't think it makes sense?

[spark valve]

the silk soar weaver could actually not be absolom and be a citadel weaver who went down to wait, also possible murglin, absalom, and karn just joined the citadel and then when they did the whole dying out and waiting thing some went back to their weavenests to die there

[twin thunder]

It did.

[frosty gate]

How

[charred nimbus]

it didn't

[vestal swan]

The love key bug is the only person to negatively interact with the void

[limpid summit]

Is widow really a case of mask identity stuff I feel like ripping off someone’s face would drive them insane regardless

[twin thunder]

Really isn't.

[charred nimbus]

THEN SAY WHO THE FUCK DID BRO

[twin thunder]

You're forgetting the lighthouse bug.

[charred nimbus]

We are waiting for actual arguments

[spark valve]

she's also just a fanatic you don't really need magical explanations for that it... happens

[vestal swan]

the lighthouse bug

[silk dirge]

yeah its possible but it just makes the most sense to me weaver spires in weavenests contain the weavers the weavenest is named after

[twin thunder]

Who are you? I'm just saying the weavers wouldn't have resorted to void to kill GMS

[vestal swan]

That wasn't a consequence of using void that was locking bro in the basement with the light on

[twin thunder]

How'd he die then, void.

[vestal swan]

They were thinking about it

[frosty gate]

The guy who was locked without any sustenance in the abyss?

[spark valve]

it's true that it's not mutually exclusive, they're certainly from the citadel, could be both

[mossy jay]

There is no evidence using Void is dangerous.
Oh yeah lmao act 3

[spark valve]

it's not like a karn weaver would have any reason not to join the citadel once it apparently worked

[charred nimbus]

No, you didn't say that, you said that the void was gonna backfire into everyone else considering HK story, the void did nothing like that when the PK use it, your argument just doesn't make sense and you're just saying this

[stray fog]

They must have thought about doing what the shamans did

Surely the weavers could have made a portal

[twin thunder]

Wasnt saying that btw according to you

[frosty gate]

Well, it is, we just didn't know in Hallownest

[limpid summit]

Shaman power is sourced differently

Weavers might not have known how to portal

[mossy jay]

Yeah so follow that logic a little further

[vestal swan]

They were researching it down in the abyss, we don't know how far they got with their research or if they actually decided not to use it before the other plan came through

[rain gate]

One of the YouTube comments is saying herrah's a pinstress 💔

[charred nimbus]

Even in Silksong it wasn't dangerous because of the void itself, the destruction of act 3 in Silksong only happened because of GMS still

[stray fog]

Khann = lord fool type of theory

[frosty gate]

Pretty much yeah

[stray fog]

Oh

[twin thunder]

So the void didn't enhance Lace and other bugs 100%

[charred nimbus]

They were using the silk of GMS, and they were just going crazy because GMS was fighingt back cause of Lace

[twin thunder]

GMS may have aided it but it proves how dangerous the void is.

[vestal swan]

The void possessed the haunting
"Under New Management"

It latched on to something that was latched onto the whole kingdom and took it for a joyride

[fluid marsh]

holy shit WHY hasent there been a ping for mossbags video?????

[stray fog]

W pfp

[vestal swan]

Because this isn't his server

[twin thunder]

[fluid marsh]

yeah but like its so important

[charred nimbus]

not really

[fluid marsh]

mossbag is the guy for this

[twin thunder]

It really isn't.

[twin thunder]

Guy for misinformation*

[fluid marsh]

ok mr opinion

[twin thunder]

He fell into the cindril trap-

[vestal swan]

He already has like three things wrong based on what people who are watching it are saying so no

[frosty gate]

Being dangerous and backfiring isn't the same thing.

[twin thunder]

Backfiring how.

The void doesn't have consciousness by the looks of it.

[stray fog]

The void was basically served the entire population of pharloom by gms because of the threads

[vestal swan]

You framed it like it backfired in hollownest from being used, but literally one guy died from being locked in the basement with it

[twin thunder]

Two guys died 🙂

[frosty gate]

Except it does? That's exactly what VGFocus is???

[vestal swan]

I don't know why you're smiling like that's great evidence or something you have not made a single good point

[frosty gate]

Even still, it's kinda a vague consciousness

[twin thunder]

You take this far too serious 😭

[frosty gate]

You're gonna get deleted but this is so true

[charred nimbus]

Said the guy who asked who i was because i have disagreed once

[dire lynx]

Grey memento

...Watch...Remember...Till time... Life anew...

[twin thunder]

You did butt in and insult me

[rain gate]

Wait why did I get deleted

[charred nimbus]

i did not insult you lol

[rain gate]

I've sent that before

[charred nimbus]

Memes aren't allowed

[twin thunder]

You did.

[stray fog]

No memes (literally 1984) /j

[charred nimbus]

"then say who the fuck did bro" is bro an insult? i just "raised" my voice, i didn't insult you

[frosty gate]

You're in a lore chat, at the very least we try to discuss things lore-related

[frigid belfry]

oh the mossbag lore video is up

[fallow sphinx]

Huh grumpy day in chat ig anyways Is the surface the actual surface of the world or just a large cave layer, it’s very really explained

[charred nimbus]

Well, i think it's just the surface for Pharloom

[vestal swan]

Cave layer

[fallow sphinx]

Let’s go we didn’t have to sacrifice him

[vestal swan]

We don't see any actual sky

[frigid belfry]

implied cave layer

[midnight zinc]

Peak lunch and video essay combo coming up

[frigid belfry]

also implied pharloom is under a mountain and higher elevation compared to hallownest

[vestal swan]

Pharloom is kind of mountain shaped

You can see out into the wastes from the left and right and the top

[fallow sphinx]

• literally mount Fay

[stray fog]

I think the ancient civilization was not global, or atleast their main base was hallownest because-

• their presence is more prominent in the hallownest abyss
• the giant corpses are apparently from the ancient civilization, and there are none of those corpses in pharloom
• hallownest's lore Tablets are like the one from the ancient civilization in pharloom's abyss. So hallownest's, writing style probably evolved from that of the ancient civilization
• the giant nailsmith corpse in hallownest (which is apparently from the ancient civilization) implies that the ancient civilization used nails, and nails seem to be hallownest's thing. So hallownest's weapons also evolved from the ancient civilization's weapons

[silk dirge]

yeah someone made a diagram once how they thought pharloom looked

maybe it was you i dont remember

[frosty gate]

Unclear imo, but I think it's the actual surface of the world

Hence the Wind

[spark valve]

there's also a lack of soul totems in silksong

[fallow sphinx]

Good point

[silk dirge]

this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380233368523898991/1435109375118282823/image.png?ex=690f6282&is=690e1102&hm=9ecc134461b0583fdfdc9c175d8c155c5c16eb583e3aa33bc2668e8d0adbb19e&

[blissful harbor]

we know they expanded, seems like they truly did just over expand like crazy

[silk dirge]

very shitty image but its a rough sketch what i saw someone say pharloom might look like

[vestal swan]

• means nothing for a global assessment
• that's made up and there's giant corpses all over pharloom
• the tablets we see written are from The pale King who came way after people were already settled on top of the ancient ruins
• he's not ancient civ it's a theory though

[fallow sphinx]

Square

[vestal swan]

Yeah basically that but it's accurate

Really rough giant rectangle but

Yeah

[stray fog]

😭

[frigid belfry]

yeah

[stray fog]

I knew I should have checked if the corpses were actually from the ancient civilization

[cedar skiff]

i always pictured it like this too

[vestal swan]

They could theoretically be from the same time period but it doesn't mean that those giant creatures are ancient civilization members

Especially since the sequel frames the giant corpses as beast like with the savage bitchfly comparison

[fallow sphinx]

Do we think silksong will follow the same updates as hk did e.g lifeblood, god home, dreams and so on, maybe not Grimm troupe however

[cedar skiff]

im just always fucking confused by this world in general

like is the surface in silksong even the actual surface? we will never know i guess

[silk dirge]

infinite caves probably

[vestal swan]

No and I hope not

[stray fog]

Godhome is the only one that the majority of players want

[vestal swan]

The universe is an infinite ball of dirt as far as we can tell, there is no surface

[cedar skiff]

although id heavily fuck with ancient surface civilisations… hire me for dlc team cherry

[limpid summit]

1: Grimm Troupe
2: Lifeblood
3: Hidden Needles
4: City of Steel

[silk dirge]

im a hk flat earther

i believe the hk world is an infinite flat plane

[cedar skiff]

grimm troupe is not coming to pharloom

and if i have to deal with more plasmium lore im finding team cherry

[silk dirge]

you will

[steep talon]

heh

[spark valve]

infinite caves

[silk dirge]

lifeblood tower is almost confirmed to be dlc

[cedar skiff]

they forget they are only like 2 or 3 people itll be easy to find out the one responsible for it

[dire lynx]

pharloom bay and lifeblood tower 🙏

[silk dirge]

it was in an august 2025 map of silksong from acmi

[cedar skiff]

pharloom bay but at what cost

[fallow sphinx]

And another Radiance, this time BLUE

[steep talon]

yee, yeah pharloom is only a ruined kingdom after act 3, and grimm troupe wouldnt be aware of it that fast

[cedar skiff]

wait really now im curious showww

[frigid belfry]

wasnt it implied that zylotol found lifeblood in pharloom bay

[fallow sphinx]

Yes, however it was removed later

[stray fog]

Doesn't the Grimm troupe go to dying kingdoms?

[silk dirge]

this thingy

[steep talon]

i think it's already ruined ones

[silk dirge]

right next to the text

[cedar skiff]

mossbags lore video is banger so far because he shares my takes which means its peak

[frigid belfry]

bay = place were boats are kept, boat = zote, confirmed zoteboat dlc easy

[cedar skiff]

dudeee

[steep talon]

lol

[frigid belfry]

pharloom bay starts act 4: zoteboat

[cedar skiff]

wait thats kinda cool actually

[dire lynx]

"Plasmium was discovered by my master at the farthest edge of Pharloom, hidden deep in salt-stricken waters."

[cedar skiff]

it means dlc soon hell yes

[steep talon]

i want that giant fuckass spider boss from one of the first HK trailers. you all remember

[fallow sphinx]

Silksong before zoteboat

[stray fog]

Also the giant snail got added and removed from both games

[limpid summit]

Distant villagers

[cedar skiff]

i know dlc will likely take place during act 3 but im still hoping for epilogue content

[fallow sphinx]

Same I’m rly sick of GMS shrieks

[cedar skiff]

im sick of everything being sad and miserable

[heavy gyro]

Did silk flies exist before the citadel? The karmelita boss fight is said to be before gms and yet there are silk flies in the arena lamps

[fallow sphinx]

I miss act 2…

[dire lynx]

revitalising pharloom DLCs (W cope)

[frigid belfry]

gms didnt create silk flies, the whiteward did

[heavy gyro]

Yeah

And whiteward appeared after citadel which is after gms

[steep talon]

is it before GMS? It having silk flies is weird though, I agree

[cedar skiff]

now people will finally stop blaming gms for the evils of the citadel and weavers

[stray fog]

"before the monarch" could also be talking about before the haunting

Before the monarch started controlling everyone

[silk dirge]

i will still blame her for enslaving the weavers basically

[heavy gyro]

So karmelita memory confirmed to be after the weavers had left

[steep talon]

seems kinda weird. But I guess so

[frigid belfry]

yeah, we knew that from the fact that karmelita was said to be able to quell the haunting with her voice in her prime

[stray fog]

Could be during the weavers too

[steep talon]

although is there anything implying whiteward was sctrictly after weavers. It could have happened during their rule. I am a bit rusty on lore though

[heavy gyro]

Yeah mb

[stray fog]

If karmelita is from before gms, then she is older than Hornet and the vessels, which is weird

[vestal swan]

All of the hearts are before GMS showed up iirc

[steep talon]

bugs just live long in HK universe

[cedar skiff]

i mean thats justified

[hidden crater]

finally lore chat has something to talk about instead of dumbass shit like lugolis ass pixels being 0.1 pixels off

[vestal swan]

Yeah bug life spans are just insane

[spark valve]

karmelita predates haunting by a lot her song giving the tribe strength to resist gms doesn't mean it was the haunting specifically

[steep talon]

hearts - yeah. Last successors of them, probably not Karm I think

[vestal swan]

?

[silk dirge]

WHAT

[vestal swan]

Why not

[steep talon]

vibes

[dire lynx]

weavers were there for at least early whiteward, there are silkfly lamps in weavenest atla

[silk dirge]

it was justified for gms to pick random ass spiders and make them her slaves?

[steep talon]

hold up let me come up with bullshit that's not vibes

[hidden crater]

infinite silk glitch I guess

[spark valve]

the gilly dialogue isn't about her song it's about her heart power still existing

[vestal swan]

Carmelita was just singing to the flowers and preserved the area by locking it off, she's not a plant god like nyleth her presence wasn't doing the work

[hidden crater]

also hornet saying "I killed her because I can lmao"

[frigid belfry]

wasnt it stated her voice itself allowed the skarr to resist the haunting

[spark valve]

no

[vestal swan]

People assume that because she is known as a singer or something it's part of her titles

[steep talon]

"In youth, her voice united the wild tribes. Gave them the strength to resist the pale monarch's will... longer than most at least."

yeah I guess vibes. This dialogue gave me impression that Karm appeared and then Skarr managed to resist monarch's will thanks to her. But i guess it's not 100%

[vestal swan]

Basically the fact that she secluded an entire area is the strongest thing she did against GMS

[spark valve]

that's not talking about the haunting

[steep talon]

yeah, im not talking about haunting

the question is whether Karm is after or before GMS came to pharloom, basically

[frigid belfry]

probably before

[twin dragon]

Mossbag video RAAAh

[spark valve]

her personally it could be either

[steep talon]

yeh, agree. I guess weapon thinks Karm is strictly before GMS

[frigid belfry]

the way the shamans talk about the old hearts imply that they were the dominant power before GMS's rule

[spark valve]

the old hearts are the last successors to power that existed before gms they personally as individuals weren't necessarily around before

[steep talon]

that's true

[spark valve]

Bell Hermit: Pharloom was not born of that monarch, Old One. Power existed in these lands even before she bound them beneath her.
Bell Hermit: Grnk. Seek the old hearts of our kingdom and the last successors to bear their strength.
this is not saying that each of them was individually there before her

[dire lynx]

That along with the needolin dialogue is probably where the idea comes from

...All for you, my hunters strong...
...Remember, my children...
...Curse the creature pale...
...Remember the song...

[vestal swan]

Hmmm ig, but with the wild lifespans of bugs it's not out of the realm of possibility for them to all be that old

[steep talon]

it's just vibes, but I really think Karm is after GMS came to pharloom

[rain gate]

Skarrsingers most likely predate gms, karmelita herself may not

[marble oasis]

I would say the karaks and nyleth certainly predate gms

[cedar skiff]

oh no i meant you disdain for gms because of that. not the eternal harp playing torment nexus

the weavers lived through that shit and still decided doing that to other bugs was awesome

[charred nimbus]

So, did Mossbag shadow update his video when i came back to watch?

Because, i'm just at the part people were debating about and calling Mossbag wrong

until now Mossbag didn't make any of the crude mistakes people seen to have called out here, he's actually making all the valid points people already made in this channel

So i don't get if the argument was just a misinterpretaion by the people who watched it

[deep elk]

When the world needed him the most, he returned.

[charred nimbus]

Maybe i'm not in the part of the video yet, but i didn't see any affirmations that fuck the timeline in his video

Or maybe i'm the one who can't interpret it

[dire lynx]

what part?

[livid frigate]

Yo mossbag silksong video out

[steep talon]

so far the only thing I harshly disagree with is that he said that Lace and Phantom were made after Haunting. Something about that doesnt sit right, but idk

[charred nimbus]

people were saying Mossbag fucked the timeline of the lore and some other things, i didn't notice that in the video for now

[silk dirge]

oh 😭

[twin dragon]

I mean that makes sense

She wouldn't do that when the weavers were all loyal and well

[unique tangle]

I mean, we don’t have evidence she needed to make more children while the weavers were “loyal”, she likely couldn’t make children while she was completely asleep, so the only option for when phantom and lace were made would have been after she started to wake - lining up with around when the haunting started

[twin dragon]

Just like she controls bugs, shes awake enough to project her desires

[marble oasis]

yeah that's what mola said

only awake enough to do that around when the haunting began

[twin dragon]

i agree yeah

[twin dragon]

Sk lore be like that

Mossbag's farsight theory is a crackfest

[marble oasis]

<@&283547423706447872>

thanks

[steep talon]

I just got to that part, lmaooo. bro is onto nothing!!!

[edgy nebula]

what was his theory i lowkey forgot

[viscid ridge]

Yeah idk what the hell the Mossfather was huffing when he was going on that tangent 💀

[twin dragon]

mossfather is wild

[heavy gyro]

that farsight was based on wyrms

[twin dragon]

Also i don't buy all of the pilgrims getting thrown into the underworks after the cogwork core was built, as it was never finished

[steep talon]

he says farsight resembles PK or maybe is inspired by some other wyrm. Says that the runes on farsight are alike to runes on the egg in the cast off shell. And this whole thing came from him trying to explain waht Hallownest weavers who returned to their old home did. It's a bit much imo

[edgy nebula]

uuuh, i can see it vaguely

[steep talon]

pk is more symmertrical

[edgy nebula]

hollow knight players when they see four spikes

[twin dragon]

They did not return lmfao

[edgy nebula]

fair enough yeah

[twin dragon]

No they didn't lmao

[viscid ridge]

He also equated farsight with foresight, which i dont think is quite right. Most of his evidence for the theory is that the farsight kinda looks like the wyrm, but there are TONS of stuff that look like that. But other than that, the video is peak

[steep talon]

yeah, that's probably a reasonable explanation. Though does seem weird, that they would come from Pharloom to Hallownest and then somehow not make it for the second trip

[lost reef]

I just realized the great sin the flies committed was probably their goth mommy wailing over the great song while she constantly gave birth. The weavers could not have that so they just banished them from the city, but gave them a new purpose. Like maybe fly biology was too consumptive of the city. They would have insisted on having their own huge nest, and would insist on having food constantly fed to them, and then boom, weavers were like "no, get outta here!"

[steep talon]

agreed. It's nice to have a video like this

[twin dragon]

Weird, since we do see a bunch of corpses in the weavenest and in pharloom there's noone

[edgy nebula]

i love hk theores that make silksong stuff hk related because theyre all garbage

[twin dragon]

So they did not end up coming back

[heavy gyro]

Why did they even try to return to pharloom, are they stupid

[viscid ridge]

I think its maybe content for dlc, which is more believable than Mossbags farsight shenanigans

[edgy nebula]

the double damage enemies killed them before they got there

[steep talon]

lmaoooo

[spark valve]

as far as they knew shit was basically fine there they'd just have to go work for gms again

[twin dragon]

They might've coomed the local fauna in hopes of achieving their goals

[spark valve]

and hallownest was getting zombie landed

[twin dragon]

They never came back though

[viscid ridge]

I think they maybe did come back, but where captured either by widow or the citidel bugs, and GMS binded them.

But considering they knew what was up, its weird that they would return at all

[twin dragon]

Hornet wasnt even born and she's depicted as quite aged in silksong so yeah

Well uh no fucking shit

She straight up went nuts and started detonating every single bug with orange juice

[steep talon]

yeah that's true. For all we know citadel was still operating when they decided to return

[twin dragon]

I mean they left pharloom

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, they left after the second wave of the Radiant infection

[spark valve]

if silksong occurs long after hk it would have been

[twin dragon]

And that description is still rlly vague

[steep talon]

what

[twin dragon]

Plus, the weavenests seem to have been built before they originally left pharloom

[viscid ridge]

Hornet was born in the first wave of the infection

[spark valve]

it depends on how long weavers were in deepnest but it's possible they went back to find the weaver owned citadel

[twin dragon]

Yeah but that's like the only thing we have supporting this

[spark valve]

if silksong takes place long after hk, weavers from hallownest would've returned to pharloom a long time ago, the citadel hasn't been nonfunctional for that long

[twin dragon]

By that time the high caste was already operating the citadel

[steep talon]

ah yes, i agree

[spark valve]

it's possible they returned at basically any point in the timeline really

[twin dragon]

We dont know shit if that ever happened

They might've not even reached pharloom

[spark valve]

tc forgot about their sequel bait yes

and they may not have made it but they also may have made the journey without all dying

[twin dragon]

I mean by that time they were prob weakened in numbers and because of the infection

[spark valve]

if zote can make the journey through the wastes weavers who had already made it before have a decent shot

[pseudo raptor]

Possible that Widow got the info on Hornet's other lineage from those who returned?

[spark valve]

it's possible

[steep talon]

their wish for those stayed behind manifested in company for those deciding to stay, so they would feel less lonely. At least that's how it reads to me

[spark valve]

since apparently the same thing happens on a loop in every kingdom there could have been a constant stream of cindril weavers returning to pharloom throughout the ages because shit sucks everywhere

the cindirl weavers obviously weren't planning on coming back but it happens anyways

[steep talon]

shmaybe

[marble oasis]

i still don't know why the hallownest weavers would go back to a kingdom with a god that hates them specifically instead of any other kingdom

[spark valve]

I mean as far as they know she doesn't hate them

[steep talon]

well, as we talked about it before. they probably were expecting operational citadel and gms to be asleep still

[spark valve]

they wouldn't be expecting a citadel at all

[charred nimbus]

i think the sight is a bit less abstract then it seens, at least in my shitty theory i had, well, for once the only ones who we seen that posses that kind of sight are the makers and Mr mushroom, and they both have that strange eye effect, but the rest is kinda messed

[spark valve]

when they left gms was just chilling, not a great mom but not like an enemy

[steep talon]

what, no? They left citadel to simple bugs, and then left

[spark valve]

no they didn't the weavenests predate the citadel

[sinful nimbus]

Cindril left to flea GMS IE she wasn't asleep by then

The Citadel weavers didn't leave they died expecting the Citadel to continue as per Ballador's rune harp

[spark valve]

different attempts at escaping gms were made, one of which was cindril weavers fleeing altogether, another was atla, which had the creation of the citadel

[steep talon]

yes, they fled after putting her to sleep and citadel being made.

[sinful nimbus]

Proof?

Because the Cindril harp indicates GMS wasn't asleep because they were running from her

[spark valve]

you're just saying that and it's inconsistent with the ballador rune harp

the ballador rune harp indicates gms was asleep when the weavers lost power, and that they thought she always would be

[steep talon]

yeah, the song to keep her alseep seems like a temporary solution so they would just run

[spark valve]

it's not a temporary solution

[sinful nimbus]

No we know the weavers thought it would work forever

[spark valve]

Sisters, spiders, the burden is passed. These simple bugs shall bear it full. Never to cease. Never to silence.

[steep talon]

uh huh

[sinful nimbus]

OK?

That's not even a weaver creation

Not really relevant

The choir

[sinful nimbus]

.

[steep talon]

auto correct?

[sinful nimbus]

No just a typo

[steep talon]

yee

i getcha

[abstract rivet]

y’all we should watch the mossbag lore video to discuss about potential inconsistencies

[spark valve]

no it gets this wrong

[abstract rivet]

I’m watching it rn

[sinful nimbus]

Redundancies are useful

[steep talon]

well that's architects and probably conductor ideas

[sinful nimbus]

why does discord do this 😭

[spark valve]

weavenests predating the citadel is also indicated by the prototype songshrine bell in atla

[steep talon]

terrible feature. I get a blood spike hoping it wont autocomplete. It already worked with @, why change it

[sinful nimbus]

Regardless the cogwork core isn't their only means of singing and the Weaver Rune Harp indicates they believed the Citadel's song would keep going indefinitely but they were hoping someone would come and kill GMS for good later

Here are the rune harps in question

[spark valve]

also the fact that the weavers were hiding from gms's silken sight whereas after the citadel was built they just left their rune harps lying around

and the one about dying being their last words

[sinful nimbus]

Top is the aforementioned Cindril one the bottom is the aforementioned Ballador one

[abstract rivet]

If weavers fleed to Hallownest after giving the pharlooms citadel control to the pharloomian conductors does this mean pharloom’s main events take place before rise of Hallownest?

or around it

[steep talon]

I think that's only atla. They say it's too far for her to reach it. Not sure why GMS wouldnt see other weavenests

[spark valve]

that's not when they fled

[abstract rivet]

when did they

[spark valve]

it's the point of all the weavenests they're built at the edges of pharloom outside of her detection

[sinful nimbus]

All Weavenests are attempts to rebel against GMS

[spark valve]

some of them left long before the citadel was even built

[silk dirge]

fun fact i just realized the surface enemies are callbacks to the quirrel comic

[steep talon]

hmm, interesting. That does check out

[spark valve]

it's also why they have the song doors which can be used to mess with gms's influence

[viscid ridge]

Another thing i disagree on with mossbag is of the age of the cogwork core. There are a lot of evidence in game that says the the core is the oldest part of the citidel, while mossbag says its the last thing to have been built

[silk dirge]

the quirrel comic has creatures that look very similar to skrill and garpids

[abstract rivet]

Oh alr so I could still ask the question that pharloom’s events take place close to Hallownests events

[sinful nimbus]

What evidence?

[abstract rivet]

or around it

[spark valve]

it could be in really any order

[stray fog]

I can see that with the first 3, but what about karn and mulgrin

[abstract rivet]

fuckkkkkk

[viscid ridge]

Where is this stated might i ask?

[sinful nimbus]

Murglin was creating guns Karn was creating offensive spells

[spark valve]

there's a long time between cindril exodus and the hallownest weavers going back which is when both the background events of hollow knight and silksong happened

[steep talon]

murglin has a gun I guess?

[sinful nimbus]

Actually idk about Karn

[stray fog]

I dont think the gun was built to be used against gms

[steep talon]

karn is uh blowing shit ig?

[abstract rivet]

Why would Hallownest Weavers return

[steep talon]

yeah, seems like a terrible idea

[spark valve]

the zombie apocalypse

[steep talon]

and that's why weavers dont fight usually

[silk dirge]

mfs really tried to defeat gms with sharpdart 😭

[abstract rivet]

Oh right

[cedar skiff]

theres no way to compare hallownests timeline to pharlooms

even if you argue some weavers left earlier its all a question of when pk showed up

[steep talon]

we can, it's just time windows are insanely big

[stray fog]

My theory is that they fled before the haunting and that's why they returned to pharloom, unaware that pharloom was in the same condition as hallownest

[cedar skiff]

the weavers could have come to hallownest at literally any point in its history we dont have anything to pinpoint it

[vernal meadow]

Guys i’m currently fighting the Failed Champion (dream boss) and my soul won’t refill when I hit him is it normal ???

[cedar skiff]

and hornet is a fucking hag anyway so

[steep talon]

lmaooo, bro wrong channel

[stray fog]

Didnt they live in hallownest before the pale king?

[vernal meadow]

oh my bad

[cedar skiff]

im not sure of the specifics but it doesnt help the timeline

[viscid ridge]

From what we know in HK, the weavers were probably in Deepnest quite a bit before Hallownest was established, as we can hear from Mask Maker and Midwife

[cedar skiff]

well then im wrong i guess theres sort of proper timelining

but eitherway who the hallownest weavers are is ambiguous

[stray fog]

Yes, and there's so concept of days/weeks/etc.

[cedar skiff]

could have been ones that left earlier could have been the later ones

[spark valve]

hallownest infection happened between the time of weavers arriving in hallownest and they leave hallownest right before the events of the first game
the citadel was built after the hallownest weavers left pharloom, so everything from there on is in basically the same window

[spark valve]

there aren't suggested to be any later ones who left

[steep talon]

right before the events of HK, really?

[spark valve]

the weavers who were remaining in pharloom when the conductors took over died out

[stray fog]

What's the logic for the citadel part

[spark valve]

yes you even see the last one out the door

[stray fog]

I thought that one just decided to stay

[spark valve]

just scroll back there's a discussion on when the weavenests were built

[steep talon]

oh, I thought that one was just staying or something like that

[spark valve]

I mean it leaves

[silk dirge]

the haunting and infection probably start around the same time

[cedar skiff]

oh right i forgot the others ones died lmfao i mixed up the rune harps

[spark valve]

also deepnest in general is a recent infection probably only got that way since the last burst

[sinful nimbus]

We also know Deepnest fell to the infection only recently because of uh the artbook 🥴

[silk dirge]

unless we find out where those weavers went its likely they got captured

[sinful nimbus]

I'd assume its around the time of the opening cutscene

[spark valve]

haunting is like definitely after by a mile

[steep talon]

bruh why did Weavers that left, leave a charm lmaoo. Just gonna put this one near the corpse of my sister, what are they doing?

[stray fog]

Doesn't the weaverling charm say that they went to pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

Its a gift to hornet

[cedar skiff]

the weavers are so kind

[spark valve]

the haunting is a relatively recent occurrence infection started ages ago well before hallownest's fall

[silk dirge]

yes but gms couldve captured them

[steep talon]

very kind

[silk dirge]

we dont know

[spark valve]

it's also possible they just came back to find the citadel fully run by weavers

[stray fog]

They were going to pharloom anyway

[cedar skiff]

well the haunting has been going on for a bit

[silk dirge]

yeah true

[cedar skiff]

unless they’re incredibly effective at gathering weavers and just did all of those plus hornet within like 3-5 business days

[spark valve]

a bit but compared to infection?

[sinful nimbus]

"you guys wouldn't BELIEVE how many kids we had while we were gone"

[spark valve]

infection is ancient

[stray fog]

A lot of envoys were lost to those tasks so it must have taken time

[silk dirge]

though i doubt it bc there are no weavers in silksong that say they left

[spark valve]

it wouldn't have had to have taken that long to get the weaverspawn

[silk dirge]

they all say hornet is from a distant land some way or another

[spark valve]

which could suggest weavers have been coming back if they know to expect more scions

[silk dirge]

which means none of them got weaver spired if that is what happened

[spark valve]

but they don't really know it's just a hope

[amber bridge]

After coming back from mossbag's video I, and many has likely discussed it before, have caught hint of a few inconsistency and other lack of information presented here, but I don't believe this to be entirely a bad thing.

[silk dirge]

hallownest pharloom timeline is so silly though now that ive seen it discussed

[cedar skiff]

honestly the video is super surface level

[silk dirge]

like you are not wrong that radiance couldve been killed during citadel of stone

[sinful nimbus]

mossbag uh didn't even mention the Grimm and Reaper connections 🥴

[cedar skiff]

he didnt even talk about first sinner atla connections i think

[silk dirge]

which means hornet was guarding hallownest for a long ass time

[cedar skiff]

but i tjink it was a solid summary

[amber bridge]

I'd say it is good he could first start making a video of just a general summary for the time being. Then next step for him would be, for the next few months, to make videos that goes more in depth for each main topic, such as the Weavers or GMS and pale beings etc. until at the end we've refined the timeline as comprehensible enough for an updated Silksong summary lore.

[cedar skiff]

and comparing the weavers to labubus was beautiful

[sinful nimbus]

No one fw weaver lore like we do 😔 💔

[stray fog]

Yeah we have no information on how long this timeframe was

[steep talon]

all this talk about weavers made me remember those weird cabin elevators on mt fay. They seem to be citadel made, but what's their purpose I wonder

[silk dirge]

OH YEAH

[wild zinc]

Am I the only one who thinks it’s kinda funny how silkflies are used as lamps

[sinful nimbus]

why did bro rush his video more than tc rushed silksong 😭 🙏

[midnight reef]

I really want more lore on the Weavers and their technology/magic, and more lore on Hornets relation with the Pale King

[silk dirge]

i have never seen anyone give an answer what those are

[wild zinc]

Imagine getting your soul sucked outta you and you end up as a street lamp

[cedar skiff]

its ok at least hes a weavers imprisoned first sinner believer

[sinful nimbus]

Thank god

[stray fog]

The giant bird gives climbers gifts so that's what the weavers would go after

[midnight reef]

beyond just flat out hating him, she certainly seems to inherited some of his hobbies lol

[silk dirge]

i love it when people ignore the giant ass silk cocoon symbol on first sinners cage

[stray fog]

😭

[silk dirge]

so thats good to see

[spark valve]

weavers are interested in fayforn
weavers control citadel
I'm not sure it's that odd?

[cedar skiff]

i love when people believe there was a period of time where gms ruled over the citadel

[silk dirge]

there is a citadel looking area around there

[midnight reef]

that would make sense to me

[silk dirge]

like theres dead choirbugs

[steep talon]

it doesnt look like weaver architecture, looks like slab, citadel that stuff. Which is why I wonder about their purpose

[stray fog]

And the entire concept of sins and atonement were made by the citadel

[silk dirge]

yes

[steep talon]

It kinda is. They made interior of their caves like weavenests, but cabins are citadel for some reason?

[sinful nimbus]

Planned obsolescence

[midnight reef]

The citidel couldve also climbed mount fey

[stray fog]

Maybe the fayforn finds the sound annoying or something idk

[cedar skiff]

the weavers enslaving other bugs after they were enslaved just because they were bored

[stray fog]

😭

[spark valve]

do you have an example of the cabins you're talking about

[silk dirge]

i find it really interesting theres dead choirbugs in mt fay

[spark valve]

I mean their old gods made the trek

[stray fog]

Why didn't they make an elevator
Are they stupid

[steep talon]

yeah this. It's not weavenest architecture, it's citadel. Why the discrepancy

[spark valve]

both are weaver architecture

[steep talon]

yeah. But why half of it is different you know?

[wild zinc]

Damn the weavers were kinda weak

[silk dirge]

i mean whats the purpose of the gondolas

[cedar skiff]

how the fuck did mask maker get up there

[wild zinc]

Couldnt they just Spider-Man climb over there

[silk dirge]

i doubt weavers were using them

[spark valve]

could be a presentation thing, or they just had their workers build those whereas they built the other stuff themselves, etc

[polar fiber]

tourists /j

[midnight reef]

doesnt Mount Fey have a bench with a bunch of citidel bugs dead around it?

[cedar skiff]

the citadel skiing company theory

[steep talon]

i guess

[silk dirge]

yeah

[steep talon]

still seems weird to me

[silk dirge]

and they have golden armor and stuff

so they are conductor era

[spark valve]

conductors also being interested in it would not be weird

[cedar skiff]

if anything it does well to showcase how fucking shitty and useless the citadel was under the citadel bugs

[steep talon]

this one? Looks like it's just sacks

[cedar skiff]

they couldnt do shit

[spark valve]

like there are a bunch of reasons why there could be citadel stuff there that aren't distinctively weaver exclusive architecture

[spark valve]

the symbol alone dates them as citadel era

but also

[steep talon]

yuh and hey silkfly lantern

oh sneaky

[sinful nimbus]

Conductors trying to convince Fayforn to completely freeze all of Far Fields so that the pilgrimage is harder

[stray fog]

And the weavers used those weird contraptions for heat, not braziers

[silk dirge]

why didnt the weavers gain double jump from fayforn? were they stupid?

[spark valve]

fayforn probably killed a bunch of them lol

[stray fog]

W

[steep talon]

they should have just learned to teleport, duh

[spark valve]

'gee I wonder why the weavers in pharloom were dying out they should be immortal'
the nefarious weavers marching into the gullet of a funny looking bird:

[silk dirge]

first sinner knew silk teleportation and willingly chose to teach hornet rune rage instead 😭

[fresh badger]

Thats a flintstone lantern

Theres also choral chambers pilloes there

[silk dirge]

cant have shit in pharloom

[stray fog]

Suspiciously metroidvania shaped kingdom: (/j)

[steep talon]

yuh, design seemed similar. But it's not actually an exact silkfly lantern design

[pseudo raptor]

There’s the dead choir members below Mask Maker’s hut

[fresh badger]

Mask making can make you a lil hungry

[cedar skiff]

hornet is just built different

or maybe the pale kings genes taste horrible

[wild zinc]

Silk in pharloom is like microplastics irl

[silk dirge]

i cant wait to find grand father plastic

[wild zinc]

It’s literally everywhere and inside everyone

[stray fog]

It has the equivalent to corporate slavery too

GOTY

[cedar skiff]

wait does fayforn stay up there if you backtrack

[silk dirge]

no

[cedar skiff]

awww

[spark valve]

fayforn only comes back for mister mushroom afaik

[silk dirge]

she only appears again with mr mushroom

🐌

im literally nuu

[steep talon]

hell yeah snail emoji

[silk dirge]

nushla nushla

[spark valve]

nuu kissing bug understanders sobbing

[cedar skiff]

nuu unn associations might be the new hornet is void

[sinful nimbus]

Why does Hornet need the needolin can't she just sing

Stupid ability

[spark valve]

it thins the veil

[stray fog]

Snail shamans too

[wild zinc]

She’s bad at it

[cedar skiff]

maybe she cant sing

[sinful nimbus]

ts only matters for NPC dialogue

[silk dirge]

i mean needolin makes special magic music

try singing to open a weaver door

[sinful nimbus]

Weaver tech can be activated by voice see all of the Citadel

[cedar skiff]

maybe thats why the weavers needed bugs for the song, they need vocals

[burnt meteor]

something i've been confused about:

• green prince dies, clovers spring up
• karmelita dies, ant tribe dies

how does that make any sense, any explanations so far?

[silk dirge]

i mean weavenests require a specific melody hornet only learns with needolin

[sinful nimbus]

The voice activated technology here cracks me up

[silk dirge]

if sherma went up to a weavenest his ass is not getting in

[steep talon]

gays are 20x stronger, but we probably shouldnt powerscale

[wild zinc]

Ants aren’t flowers

[sinful nimbus]

Why's she need the needolin for that

[vestal swan]

Well if you didn't take his heart and put it on the wall I would say it's because the fourth heart of the green prince is unnecessary and it returns to the land, but TC doesn't like cohesion or something I don't know

[silk dirge]

it came as a bonus

[vestal swan]

Because she cannot sing obviously

[silk dirge]

she didnt ask widow what to teach her

[sinful nimbus]

🥀

[silk dirge]

she just learned whatever binding widow gave her

[sinful nimbus]

We could've had Hornet singing

[stray fog]

Her vocal chords are not silk threads

[sinful nimbus]

You don't need silk to activate weaver tech

Hornet could just sing the melody

[terse warren]

Well obviously due to her being Void she has no voice to cry suffering

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[cedar skiff]

how does this affect hornet powerscaling

[burnt meteor]

the bell beast can sing

[steep talon]

this is me right now -> ...

[cold peak]

Ah-

[stray fog]

Because its not void

[burnt meteor]

i think hornet should teach the bell beast how to open weaver doors it'd be funny

[silk dirge]

makoto koji about to appear at your house with a gun

[vestal swan]

I love how in this context Weaver tech is a piece of string, they Macgyvered the whole fucking kingdom

[sinful nimbus]

Why are there two seals

Pogseal who is this guy

[cold peak]

I'm a spheal

[cedar skiff]

the snail shamans can sing but they’re clearly void??

[silk dirge]

a fraud

(i have no idea)

[cold peak]

[terse warren]

Maybe the Weavers were dentists all along

Would explain Whiteward

[silk dirge]

me asking my dentist not to use whiteward floss

what would happen if you flossed with silk 😭

[tawdry flare]

they are explicitly not void

[steep talon]

damn, comedy is outlawed, sad

[burnt meteor]

does green prince dying => clovers spring up mean that khann dies => coral grows again

[terse warren]

Grey Memento seems to think so

[sinful nimbus]

Uhh the water starts flowing again after beating khann iirc

[stray fog]

Is khann even alive

[terse warren]

Yes

[terse warren]

Is that another change from recent versions or are you also referring to the memento

[silk dirge]

probably joking

someone should make a silkpost of that itd be like a rare good one

[tawdry flare]

their shells are the only part of them that is void. don’t joke with me on this buddy

[burnt meteor]

this shit implies green prince's existence single handedly inhibits verdania from being a thing

[sinful nimbus]

I thought it was a change but I have never verified it for myself

[burnt meteor]

dude is giving off negative aura

[heavy gyro]

the curse

[sinful nimbus]

The Green Prince thing is nonsense

[terse warren]

I heard some people say water came out of his corpse when they added the Clovers but I tested and it was false

[sinful nimbus]

I'm pretty confident it was only added so it doesn't look like Hornet killed a gay man for fun

[vestal swan]

The green prince thing only makes sense if his heart is still in his body

[sinful nimbus]

caught spreading LIES and PROPAGANDA

Silksong rumors go crazy

[terse warren]

The humble Karmelita:

[vestal swan]

Also apparently sister splinter starts growing shit but it has nothing to do with an update? How long has that been a thing

[terse warren]

Since day 1 lmao

[sinful nimbus]

First it was "Old penitent sings the conductors melody" and now this

[cedar skiff]

i dont see why theyd make killing khann retroactively positive when killing karmelita actively guilttrips you

[vestal swan]

PK moment

[steep talon]

since the start lmao

[burnt meteor]

clover is homophobic

[steep talon]

noo, not clover undertale...

[vestal swan]

The area can't be homophobic the entire kingdom is gay cabbage patch babies

[terse warren]

Everyone knows Old Penitent is actually a mutated Pharlid and the "Sisters" he's referring to are actually the Weavers, duh

[sinful nimbus]

Weavers and Sister Splinter don't forget

[stray fog]

They jailed him for being mutated /j

[terse warren]

Surely Sister Splinter is talking about the other Sister Splinters

[silk dirge]

speaking of pharlids someone earlier today posted a cut pharlid icon that would be what herrah evolved from which is interesting since ive never seen that before

[burnt meteor]

what if the green prince actually sucked and he's why the kingdom withered away

he dies and the vegetation is like "bruh finally took you long enough how were you still alive"

[terse warren]

Wouldn't really make sense for her to be a sister otherwise

[silk dirge]

ofc its cut so it doesnt matter

[vestal swan]

Infirmed is actually one of their sins so yes they would jail somebody for that, insane religious nonsense going on

[silk dirge]

but that is interesting

[vestal swan]

Is that the right word infirmed

[steep talon]

oh really? what did it look like?

[terse warren]

I think

[abstract rivet]

in Blasted Steps’ exit of Pharloom, we see a conductor mask.. Romino?

[silk dirge]

let me see if i can find it on the wiki

[burnt meteor]

infirmity

[vestal swan]

A lot of people assume that but we can't confirm I think

[burnt meteor]

romino writes a metal ass poem and then fucking dies. legend

[sinful nimbus]

romino silkfly 🗣️

Powdered you oughta hop on the crackpot theory

[abstract rivet]

Silksong has alot of NPCs that end with “Pilgrim” not gonna lie
Quiet Pilgrim
Fearful Pilgrim
Aged Pilgrim
Tall Pilgrim
Solemn Pilgrim
Worried Pilgrim
Dejected Pilgrim
Weary Pilgrim
Exhausted Pilgrim
Humble Pilgrim
Scared Pilgrim
Horned Pilgrim
Pilgrim Preacher

[sinful nimbus]

Romino turned himself into the silkfly at Blasted Steps to free Hornet

[vestal swan]

Romino theories I've seen
Dead guy in steps
Penitent in slab
Caretaker

[cedar skiff]

wait aura

[abstract rivet]

Peninent in Slab is from Nameless Town

Caretaker cannot be Romino lets be real

[steep talon]

what am i looking at

[silk dirge]

i couldnt find it on the wiki

[burnt meteor]

huh

[silk dirge]

but this is definitely a real cut sprite

[abstract rivet]

her needolin dialogue indicates hes from the surface or gives a strong possibility

[silk dirge]

bc i dont think someone could fake that

[abstract rivet]

Also there are like 3 conductor masks we find

[burnt meteor]

do you think conductors ruled together or there was just one conductor in power at any given time

[steep talon]

it does look real yeah. Not sure why it looks like those weaver statues and not just a mob, but ill buy fuck it

[vestal swan]

This hardly looks like anything TBH, but if it did look like something I would say it's like one of the frames of the mutation happening in the cutscene

[vestal swan]

Oh you must be new

[edgy nebula]

why are you using genderfluid pronouns? old penitent’s a he

[abstract rivet]

Conductor Romino is probably steps, it might show he’ve fled Pharloom. If there were 3 Conductors, one basically messed up in Whiteward, one is in Life Support in High Halls, this leaves 1 conductor and that conductors mask can be found in Steps, I think its very likely Romino said fuck it i’m outta here

[silk dirge]

faking ari gibson art style is really hard

[abstract rivet]

By mistake mb

[silk dirge]

id be surprised

[edgy nebula]

ah

[burnt meteor]

genderfluid pentinent

[vestal swan]

People have been working on fakes for years

[silk dirge]

i mean yeah

ive seen a lot of silkposts lol

[cedar skiff]

i like to think the conductors were more like aristocrats than actual organised rulers

[silk dirge]

but i dont think ive seen someone ever fake ari gibson art style super convincingly

[cedar skiff]

they took care of their respective shit but there wasnt really any collective effort

also that would lowkey be such a random ass thing to fake

[vestal swan]

That's how they get you

[burnt meteor]

i feel like it's less difficult to fake something tangible, meanwhile this here is like "random nondescript black colored turd" and i feel like now that'd require an expert to fake

[frigid belfry]

there was one hella convincing one on r/silksong

[sinful nimbus]

Me reading Choral Tower in the early sketch map and realizing Aluo was onto something....

[frigid belfry]

it genuinely convinced me

[abstract rivet]

Ari’s artstyle is just really unique

[sinful nimbus]

Crazy how only one Old Heart is song related now

[vestal swan]

We were never getting a full coral area, it was all fakes

[frigid belfry]

idk maybe dlc

[abstract rivet]

No we will hold on to your copium

[sinful nimbus]

OGs remember the fake Leth tweet about the Unity fiasco with an aluo coral fake attached

[frigid belfry]

id be happy with any dlc anyway

[abstract rivet]

It was promised to us 6 years ago. We WILL get that Coral Area

[edgy nebula]

always bet on coral gorge dlc

[vestal swan]

Yeah for a kingdom full of music the crabs and the plants are seriously missing out, wait who am I forgetting

[abstract rivet]

Our destiny is Coral Gorge

[burnt meteor]

i don't even know how you would write coral back into the game, like what, oops you have to get khann's lungs now too?

[abstract rivet]

the copium will continue to be smoked for future generations

[vestal swan]

Verdania, why is it so hard to remember

[edgy nebula]

you kill fayforn and all the water melts, revealing the memories of the karaka

[abstract rivet]

Come on TC you can’t just fool us like this

[sinful nimbus]

Each Heart actually has a distinct rhythm and Moss Druid describes them as the "Rhythms of the land" which I kinda wish they fleshed out more

[burnt meteor]

i feel like bay is more likely to return

[abstract rivet]

Starpengu | #1 Act 3 Hater

[silk dirge]

apparently moss druid wants a heart for moss grotto?

[sinful nimbus]

It also kinda seems like a rehashed concept of the "Resonance of the land" Caretaker was going to mention at one point

[edgy nebula]

i like how sister splinter sprouts plants, i wonder why that happens

[burnt meteor]

it surely does seem so

[abstract rivet]

Me when my silk and song game is transformed to silk and void wtf

[steep talon]

always bet on moss druid

[burnt meteor]

hornet was void all along

[vestal swan]

Coral just having a lot of heavy rock music, opportunity to have crab rave tho

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[abstract rivet]

Get another crab’s treasure ost team to make ost for it

[edgy nebula]

is she the secret 6th heart

[sinful nimbus]

Zi is just constantly blasting heavy metal and industrial

[silk dirge]

coral gorge is booty grotto

[burnt meteor]

funny thing is with everything being fucking dead moss druid actually has a fighting chance now

[silk dirge]

this is canonical

dont ask for evidence its just true

[steep talon]

dont think so

[abstract rivet]

Coral Gorge was promised to us Silkgrims by the Holy Cherrydel

They will grant it

[burnt meteor]

the only opponents in moss druid's struggle for power would be a patch of clover and zylotol's little drug farm

[steep talon]

sherma about to fist fight moss druid for dominion over Pharloom(or befriend them, that works too)

[abstract rivet]

In cherrydel we trust

[burnt meteor]

and i guess sherma

[edgy nebula]

and the evil lava

[burnt meteor]

i dunno the lava is just chilling

[edgy nebula]

possibly the living splinters aswell

[abstract rivet]

I wish the whiteward enemies attacked Sherma so sherma unleashes super saiyan

[steep talon]

oh ccmaci also dropped a lore video, hell yeah 2 hours of HK lore, sign me up boss

[abstract rivet]

but team cherry is so lame boo we have to fight them

[vestal swan]

Speaking of magma, hornet runs away from magma like how many times in this game and she never once warns anybody that the ground beneath them might be gone soon