sk-lore

[manic pewter]

So do yall think that when hornet becomes weaver queen she becomes a higher being?

[ocean crown]

Yes

[silk dirge]

vh memory is more equivalent to red memory

[silk dirge]

yes

[sinful nimbus]

Birthplace climb had more aura and it was also paralleled in the final boss which makes it even cooler than it already was

[ocean crown]

And ss clears that too

[sinful nimbus]

Red Memory is garbage

[ocean crown]

Ik you hate it bc hunter pogo

[sinful nimbus]

So true

[ocean crown]

Just use clawline you have inf uses

[silk dirge]

note number idk how to improve silksong: make a cool final phase for lost lace

[sinful nimbus]

No I hate it because its filled with nothingburger dialogue (Vespa, Kingsmould entry) and expositionslop (White Lady)

[silk dirge]

lost lace is missing a sort of climactic end

[ocean crown]

Bc it’s hornets memory? She had to go to her 3 “mothers”

[sinful nimbus]

OK well I don't care about her memory

I have no reason to be invested in Hornet as a character

She's kinda unlikeable in-fact

[ocean crown]

Ok so why are we in the lore channel

[silk dirge]

i think you could do something where the floor collapses and you need to descend even more to pick up lace as the void is lashing out at you

[sinful nimbus]

Half of Red Memory doesn't add anything to the lore

Hornet being trained by Vespa is about as interesting as her being trained by Oro

[silk dirge]

the cool shit i could be cooking if not for circuit theory

NOT AGAIN

[sinful nimbus]

Also Everbloom is thematically unrelated to anything that happened in the memory

[silk dirge]

<@&283547423706447872>

[sinful nimbus]

Its basically just a macguffin

[iron citrus]

What is Eva

[silk dirge]

dont snail me im not nuu

[sinful nimbus]

Void Heart had real symbolic depth that represented The Knight coming to terms with its nature

[ocean crown]

Fragile “child” of weavers

[foggy fractal]

is shakra's questline awesomesauce or slop

[sinful nimbus]

I fw Shakra

[ocean crown]

Oh red memory also shows white lady as a younger version bc she is not rooted in ground

[silk dirge]

hornet pk arc is coming out of the kitchen sometime soon

ive actually been really motivated with homework now

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe the ending could've been a bit more interesting and it certainly shouldn't be a mandatory quest but its still a cool moment

[vestal swan]

Bc she's in the palace*

Hornet wearing robes n allat

[foggy fractal]

star do you like twelfth architect

[sinful nimbus]

Yes 🗣️

[arctic cliff]

Steel Seer Zi dialogue, if you rejoice to do quest :
«Pale It... You would reject the role? Are you not tamed, bound, by Masters?... You would know... obedience is essential.
Recall, the fate of those who defy... Even you higher... Especially you higher...
...Compression... We have suffered it. We would never wish it upon another.»

[silk dirge]

like i really think silksong couldve done cool shit contrasting hornet realizing pk doesnt hate her with gms relationship with lace

[arctic cliff]

Compression…sounds scary

[sinful nimbus]

This is tuff

[silk dirge]

i love tipp and pill

[sinful nimbus]

Unironically tuff

[silk dirge]

my goats

ignoring liquid lacquer

[vestal swan]

Trash compactor

[silk dirge]

they are not my goats if you include lacquer

[foggy fractal]

tipp and pill kinda look like cabbages

[sterile jacinth]

I got that one first try lol

[silk dirge]

i did it in act 3 so it was hell

[ocean crown]

Hey skarr

[scenic shuttle]

Maybe it means like how the steel seers body’s are created?

[sterile jacinth]

Hello

[gentle aspen]

Her questline is fine if a bit obtuse to get her wish

[foggy fractal]

fair

[sinful nimbus]

What if Tipp and Pill hauled a carriage of cabbages everywhere and Hornet was constantly knocking it over

Would be a solid gag

[silk dirge]

i missed a shortcut in the citadel and thought it collapsed bc act 3

but in reality its just really hidden

[foggy fractal]

if that happened i would come over and buy like a cabbage or two

[silk dirge]

so i had to go through a bunch of voidified choir bugs with a void mass i wanted to kill but never ended up killing

[sterile jacinth]

Ough

[stuck berry]

and then at the end of the game gms was made aware of her arrival and was made aware by two surprisingly knowledgable cabbage merchant

[sterile jacinth]

I went through wisp thicket

[foggy fractal]

can we get a food market in silksong dlc

[sterile jacinth]

We have lugoli

[foggy fractal]

I need to spend all this rosary on smth

[silk dirge]

hornet goes to the college dining hall

[stuck berry]

the only consumable food is flea brew no

[silk dirge]

flea brew needs boba added to it

[vestal swan]

Food/drink ranked by edibility

• Fine wine(nectar)
• Flea moonshine
• Roast moorwing
• Cooked pilgrim
• Crustnut jello (without all the other shit in it)
• Raw silkslug
• Travelers jerky
• Mossbery fumes
• Pale oil (apparently this gets used in cooking too)
  I can't remember anything else that seemed like a normalish food

[arctic cliff]

Hornet: Zi, your vassal is gone, alive, fled beyond these lands.
Hornet: I chose to allow their escape, even if your wish may not be granted.
Zi: The wish? No... pale It... Zi sensed clear your meeting... The rite... The vassal is tarnished. They have touched the dark. By the Masters, they will now be hunted... no matter the distance fled.

[stuck berry]

how nice of silksong to make shards usable and shard bundles spend money so you can run out of money at the end of the game

[sterile jacinth]

Cooked pilgrim?? 😭

[arctic cliff]

Masters are brutal

[stuck berry]

hollow knight at a certain point you had too much geo to know what to do with

[silk dirge]

we really ass jiming it out here

[vestal swan]

For the huntress questline she requests cooked pilgrim for her kids

[stuck berry]

she requested seared organs which could come from any enemy

[silk dirge]

well she means cooked anything

[arctic cliff]

Sula will be hunted by Masters, no matter the distance fled

[vestal swan]

Technically you can kill any creature for this quest I think but pilgrim is like good middle ground

[silk dirge]

"good middle ground" literally cannibalism 😭

[stuck berry]

powdered is lugoli under an alt

[sterile jacinth]

Am I another pilgrim in this scenario

[vestal swan]

Everything's a bug it's not really cannibalism unless they're eating their siblings or family

[silk dirge]

i consider eating any other sapient bug cannibalism

[vestal swan]

But when you have a scale of fresh wild creatures to haunted citizens to discusting things in bile water, I'll take the pilgrims as a middle ground

[primal ingot]

The delicate flower in the original hollow knight did absorb void, when the Shade Lord manifested from the godseeker body. It only burned off one of its petals, and it destroyed a near invincible being of void. In Silksong it does protect from void pools and void poison, and never loses a petal. Could the flower actually be a higher being?

[silk dirge]

my huntress got a lot of bloatroach meat

[gentle aspen]

it’s not

[stuck berry]

my huntress got a couple pilgrims but a bunch of muckroach meat

[sinful nimbus]

Species would be more apt

[silk dirge]

i knew i could farm elsewhere but i was like nah i want to farm bloatroaches for the fun of it

[vestal swan]

First off no, second it did not destroy the shade Lord

[stuck berry]

muckroaches are really good enemies to experiment with tools

[vestal swan]

We still don't know what it did because the reaction is inconsistent

[gentle aspen]

where the fuck

[sterile jacinth]

I went to shellwood so mostly pondskippers and those guys who throw spears

[sinful nimbus]

Huntress was originally going to be knowledgeable on the Citadel do you think she was replaced by Mask Maker

[gentle aspen]

doesn’t godseeker have dialogue about the flower

[stuck berry]

i could never kill pondskippers they are too kind

[silk dirge]

bloatroaches are the only acceptable form of the roach enemy

[gentle aspen]

what the fuck is this why is it not coming up

[silk dirge]

all other forms of the muckroach are god awful

[vestal swan]

I mean I guess but the only actual cannibalism we have happen is like the Hunter and the huntress being attacked and eaten by their siblings and children I think

[sterile jacinth]

It’s funny as they age they become easier to deal with

[sacred heath]

seems likely

[stuck berry]

"An offering? Yes. The Crawler makes an offering to Us. Rare bloom, tiny and pure. No God, though. No godliness. But still...
What does Crawler ask for in return? To touch? Our thick, gleaming hide? To see? See the exquisite face beneath Our mask? Such strange prayers!
No. No! Crawler presumes too much. The gift is Ours. Kept by Us. But Our mysteries will be preserved"

[sinful nimbus]

0 out of 2 of the sequel bait was elaborated on that's crazy 😭

[vestal swan]

Yeah she definitely does

[gentle aspen]

yeah the bot did not fucking have this shit for some reason

unless

[silk dirge]

if team cherry was more evil theyd have added slubberlugs everywhere in bilewater

[sinful nimbus]

Hunter?

[gentle aspen]

That’s stupid

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t like that

[gentle aspen]

Why is it different

[sinful nimbus]

Bro's been engaging with too much fanon

[vestal swan]

The hunter talked about hunting their siblings when they hatched in the nest

?

[sinful nimbus]

No he doesn't

[stuck berry]

he talked about hunting with his siblings

[foggy fractal]

"When I was young, my brothers and sisters and I would hunt each other in the nest. Now I hunt alone."

[vestal swan]

See I'm not crazy

[sinful nimbus]

He killed his dog though

[primal ingot]

This is from a journal entry

[primal ingot]

dog...??????

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think play hunting counts

[stuck berry]

guh

[vestal swan]

He tried to train a hunting companion but then he ate it

[primal ingot]

oh that was from the god tamer entry

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet could never provide tidbits like this

[silk dirge]

why does the shit hunter has done sound like curtis sliwa in that one debate 😭

[primal ingot]

still there aren't any dogs

[vestal swan]

It's not a literal dog but it's analogous

You train dogs to hunt with you

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet never goes "I'm stoned out of my mind while writing this man ts is crazy"

[primal ingot]

Yes I know, I was just pointing that out

[dire sinew]

dog is more of a title

[primal ingot]

who would name their pet "dog"

[vestal swan]

It's also entirely possible the hunter just found another bug that he thought was lesser than him and told him to hunt with him, not even being a beast

[dire sinew]

it's actually a fairly common cat name but i digress

[primal ingot]

humorous

[dire sinew]

it is a common thing for people to name rheir cat "dog"

[silk dirge]

is bell beast a cat or dog

[vestal swan]

Oh hey while we are on the track of dialogue that powdered remembers that everybody else doesn't think exists, doesn't somebody in the first game talk about weavers being smarter then the rest of deep nest

[dire sinew]

definitely more cat parallels than dog parallels

[silk dirge]

i think fleas are 1 braincell orange cats bell beast is a dog

[sinful nimbus]

Roach

[sinful nimbus]

Midwife

[vestal swan]

I cannot find the dialogue and neither can the person I was arguing with

[sinful nimbus]

Actually that was about spiders in general i think

[vestal swan]

Maybe the wikibot is dying

[silk dirge]

i mean yeah that kinda makes sense bc muckroaches are dog like

[sinful nimbus]

OG spiders were so peak

Weavers are racist wimps

[silk dirge]

hk making bugs id insta kill if i saw in my house appear cute

what would you do if a pharlid appeared in your house

[vestal swan]

[foggy fractal]

do what gms did

[scenic shuttle]

Turn it into a weaver?

[primal ingot]

I mean, deepnest was caveman even before radiance, the weavers in the red memory were fully sapient so yes

[sinful nimbus]

No it wasn't

Deepnest had a distinct and intelligent culture that was able to thrive in such a hostile land

Even without the help of the Pale King

[vestal swan]

And they were also still the assholes that needed to be held back with a peace treaty between neighbors

[silk dirge]

those were like dirtcarvers tho right

[vestal swan]

Devout corpses to iirc

[sinful nimbus]

It seems more likely that the spider corpses nearby Mantis Village were infected

They clearly were open to being civil with their neighbours

Unlike the Mantes actually who kill foreigners on site

[primal ingot]

Dirt carvers were intelligent?

[sinful nimbus]

Dirtcarvers are not the only inhabitants of Deepnest

They're wild animals the real citizens were Devouts Midwife etc

And unfortunately the Weavers

[silk dirge]

would we say first sinner and herrah are the only not villain weavers

[sinful nimbus]

Herrah set up her own religious propaganda and has devouts worshipping her

First Sinner yes

[silk dirge]

i mean so did pk

[primal ingot]

Ah, I thought you weren't talking about the weavers

[sinful nimbus]

PK was actually divine

[silk dirge]

and we all agree he wasnt a villain

true

but herrah is definitely less of a villain than other weavers i think

[sinful nimbus]

Low bar

[silk dirge]

also true lol

[sterile jacinth]

That’s a complicated question. The weavers are pretty nuanced. Plus they were all individuals doing their own thing. Yes they’ve done bad stuff but labeling them all villains or everything they do as wrong is a bit shortsighted

[sinful nimbus]

List of not-evil groups in Silksong:
_ _
_ _
_ _
_ _

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think the point of hk characters are to be like black and white good v evil. It’s more complicated and nuanced than that

[silk dirge]

pilgrims arent evil

theyre just very gullible

[opaque pier]

Fleas?

Except kratt

[sinful nimbus]

Pilgrims yes Fleas no

[vestal swan]

Fleas

[sinful nimbus]

They lost all their children and charge YOU to retrieve them

[vestal swan]

Having one shitty fleas not an evil group

[silk dirge]

REAL

vog is the worst

[sterile jacinth]

It’s nuanced

[sinful nimbus]

No its not

[vestal swan]

Okay that's not evil though that's a reward for catching all the kids that ran away on leashes in the mall

[opaque pier]

True

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong and nuance 🥀

[silk dirge]

vog is literally if the police charged the parents of a missing child money to tell them where the child is

[sinful nimbus]

Spending money isn't a reward 💔

And losing literally all your kids isn't a good look

[silk dirge]

flea mother worse than gms confirmed

[sinful nimbus]

I can't believe I was a flea truther for years

"Wow they sleep peacefully and don't whine constantly so they'll be more likeable" Wrong they still whine constantly

[silk dirge]

AWOO

[vestal swan]

Spending?

What are we talking about spending money

[sinful nimbus]

Vog charges you for the locations of the lost fleas

Y'know the ones that are HER responsibility to protect

[vestal swan]

True you shouldn't get charged for that

[scenic shuttle]

It’s cause your not a flea

[sinful nimbus]

So she's xenophobic

[silk dirge]

then that means shes racist lol

[scenic shuttle]

I mean she lived in the putrified ducks

[sinful nimbus]

Her stench is probably the reason its putrified

[vestal swan]

Logically you would assume she doesn't want to give out sensitive information to a stranger who could hurt the kids but at the same time by that point you should have saved like 20 of them already

[sinful nimbus]

And she still does that anyway

[scenic shuttle]

Might just be racist

[silk dirge]

ok wait that would be kinda cool

[vestal swan]

She's just yajirobe

[silk dirge]

if she charged you depending on how many fleas you saved

[sinful nimbus]

What the heck is this

I don't watch enough anime for ts

Oh its dragon ball

[vestal swan]

It's a character that she kind of resembles, he's kind of a lazy asshole despite being extremely capable and like would require the main characters to give him stuff just to do what he's supposed to be doing already type shit

[sinful nimbus]

Why would she be selling information about her kids to strangers she doesn't trust

Crazy

[silk dirge]

REAL

[vestal swan]

Y'all are both snails

[silk dirge]

guess im nuu now

[scenic shuttle]

Nuu

[cedar owl]

I'm the slowest to say it, so I'm nuu

wait no, I wanna be the bell hermit, can I take it back?

[muted lantern]

Is nuu even a snail

Seems like some kinda slug thing like pebb just with a shell shaped backpack

[sinful nimbus]

Nuu seems to be inspired by kissing bugs and snails

The smooching scene is her trying to feast on hornet's juices in her own words

[crystal iris]

The only snails are the shamans, nuu is like a hermit crab or smt idk

[muted lantern]

Its so funny that nuu and Shakra are voiced by the same actress

[crystal iris]

THEY ARE???

[muted lantern]

Yeah she also did moss druid and last judge, she has incredible range

[crystal iris]

If nuu tries to kiss hornet, and they’re the same voice actor, then….

[crystal iris]

CRAZY

I’m joking btw

[crystal iris]

About this

[muted lantern]

So does nuu leave pharloom after her quest?

[vestal swan]

Presumably

[honest sun]

hold on does gms have many arms or she only did this to farm aura in this attack

[vestal swan]

Isn't that cut?

[silk dirge]

no

this is the animation that plays that does triple damage when you get hit by her attack that covers the screen in threads

a lot of people miss it bc its very easy to dodge

[humble peak]

Lost Lace also has an attack which does 3 and has a special animation
Also being very easy to dodge lol

[vestal swan]

Lol I never got caught by either of those

[vestal swan]

Okay so if it's actually in the game I guess it's just to represent how fast she's going? Because we see her beat up and she doesn't have seven limbs tied up and one missing. Either that or she made them temporarily with silk, because they aren't real arms

[vestal swan]

I think that move exists in lace 2, the big circle?

Phantoms did hit me tho

[trim prairie]

weavers anatomy is really weird

or like silk creatures

[honest sun]

shes a higher being i guess she can have the amount of arms she wishes

[vestal swan]

No don't just say because she's a god she can do whatever she wants they have defined abilities, usually

Hers is silk

[honest sun]

shes a god or hbeing

[vestal swan]

It would be inconsistent to think that she actually has eight arms when she's being defeated and they don't come out or when she's struggling to hang on and they don't come out

[vestal swan]

Yes she is a higher being, which is the proper term for real gods in this universe

[royal elbow]

You get caught and she specifically readies all the arms.
Though I think it's just because she's made of silk. She can change her shape.

[trim prairie]

it’s the only attack that she uses silk on you

[vestal swan]

She's not made of silk she's wearing it, she creates it

[trim prairie]

we only really see a silhouette of her, could just be fake arms made of silk lmao

[trim prairie]

but we bind her arm tho

[vestal swan]

When she's strung up in the Lost Lace fight we see the silk isn't completely covering her anymore and her body is actually black.

[humble peak]

...and?

[trim prairie]

all of it goes

[vestal swan]

Hornet binds whole corpses?

[humble peak]

We also bind a rock

[honest sun]

wait so the white parts of her entire being is silk shes wearing, and in lost lace fight we see her actually naked¿

[humble peak]

yeah

[trim prairie]

dead weavers that don’t dissapear though

[honest sun]

oh god

[humble peak]

what?

[trim prairie]

the rocks don’t disappear I’m pretty sure

[honest sun]

ooooooohhhh i get it now

[vestal swan]

Characters wearing clothes are usually the outlier in HK, but in this game most of the characters seem to be wearing robes and silk including the god of it apparently

[trim prairie]

idk tho

[honest sun]

so if shes nakes because the void is consuming her silk, why didnt she got bald too¿

she produces silk from her hair

[vestal swan]

She still has some control over her silk

[humble peak]

Can't ruin the drip

[vestal swan]

She's fighting back just not very well

[humble peak]

idk she did a pretty impressive job imo

[trim prairie]

I think an entirely naked gms would look horrible

like actually nightmare fuel

[humble peak]

the void isn't directly consuming the silk off of her, it's eating away at the coccoon she's weaving and sustaining

[honest sun]

oh yeah youre fighting the hatred encarnated and it just got you naked

funny

[honest sun]

why is her body black tho

whats she made of

[humble peak]

idk
Lace also has black

[honest sun]

void teory

[humble peak]

It's just her body ig

[honest sun]

shes just black like bugs

[humble peak]

idk how she gave Lace a body since she's meant to be entirely made of Silk
Don't even get me started on Phantom

[honest sun]

is something

[honest sun]

maybe its black silk

[humble peak]

This feels like some comic book stuff where they take an established magic material then add a variant that's just a different colour and works differently lol

[spark valve]

it doesn't even really work differently it's just silk

[honest sun]

if phantom is made of silk too then why shes wearing gray instead of white

and well, the black other things

maybe the silk darkens somehow with hatred

void silk teory

[humble peak]

If Lace hates GMS so much why does she spend the entire game trying to further her plans and stop Hornet

[rugged storm]

cause gms shows interest in hornet

[honest sun]

because she was made to serve

[humble peak]

Actually why does Lace hate GMS so much anyway
Like do they ever establish that

[rugged storm]

she hates gms for making her as she doesn't think shes real

[humble peak]

Well Snared Silk shows she isn't really unable to go against that

Though
Ig Lace does depend on GMS's Silk to sustain her

[silk dirge]

i think a lot of people are kinda confused about how much silk gms has and i think its probably she has like silk hearts of her own

of course a fuck ton more than hornet

like she can keep generating silk but theres a limit to how much she can generate at once

[honest sun]

i think she can actually maake silk hearts tho

[silk dirge]

silk heart lore will forever be unsolved lol

[honest sun]

obviously she doesnt create silk instantly but does really more faster than hornet thats for sure

[silk dirge]

i think the best explanation of silk hearts is they appear when you beat a boss which involves a lot of silk(bell beast was snared in silk) and it manifests into the thoughts of gms

[honest sun]

maybe every weaver has one or many silk hearts

[silk dirge]

or possibly gms could be placing them where she has control so hornet will provide her even more power if she bound her

[honest sun]

gms may just be a silkheart in some way

[silk dirge]

i mean yeah

i think she can generate a lot of silk at once

far more than hornet can

just not enough to sustain haunting + lace + wake up

[unique tangle]

isnt GMS just completely silk, other than those metal bits on her arms and legs

i mean you absorb all of her when using the final silk soar

[honest sun]

I UNDERSTAND NOW

[unique tangle]

meaning shes all silk

[honest sun]

GMS IS A GIGANT SILK BARREL

[silk dirge]

nah shes not

[unique tangle]

theyre called silk spools

[silk dirge]

i think you are just absorbing all her power and the white fade like that shows it

it happens with snail shamans also

[silk dirge]

where they start fading to white completely during red memory ritual

[silk dirge]

interesting

[honest sun]

im not englishian idk how theyre called

[silk dirge]

i mean gms being a silk being would make sense

[honest sun]

i told you she was a silk spool

[humble peak]

I think we might be reading too much into the silk hearts
They're just an intense concentrations of Silk that Hornet is able to restore her abilities with. All Weavers are innately able to generate Silk but Hornet seems to have lost that in her time spent in the rune cage.

[honest sun]

maybe the concentration of silk in a single place just literally gained conciousness {{

[silk dirge]

yeah but how do they relate with gms

my theory is gms senses hornet when a silk heart manifests and can communicate with her

[humble peak]

Yeah GMS is depicted as being made entirely of Silk at one point
But I think it probably isn't meant to be taken ultra-literally. Like she can be physically broken down into pure Silk but it's not like that's all she is.

[unique tangle]

thats what im sayin

[silk dirge]

i mean she wouldnt be the first hb to be made completely of their material

radiance is made out of essence im pretty sure

pk is made out of pure soul maybe and wl is made out of root whatever that is

idk what unn is made of tho

nmh would be nightmare essence

[edgy nebula]

unn is made of snail

[silk dirge]

true

[craggy smelt]

Snail Given Form

or slug

[fossil ledge]

It's interesting to note that Hornet seems to grow these extra limbs during the Weaver Queen ending

[honest sun]

what if hornet instead of fvcking killing/binding gms like this, gms agreed to bind with hornet like she does with those abilities statues

[fossil ledge]

I wonder if GMS originally had 8 limbs but can't fully manifest them as it's tied to her being at the pinnacle of her power? Or if she was trying to develop them

[humble peak]

Why would she do that

[honest sun]

mmmmm maybe shes a spider

[silk dirge]

that is literally exactly what hornet is doing

if hornet bound a weaver that way nothing would change

[craggy smelt]

I think he means like more willingly

[visual glacier]

What?

[silk dirge]

in fact she does: widow

[silk dirge]

i dont think it would change much

[craggy smelt]

and I don't know why GMS would willingly do that

[honest sun]

yea that but forget it

[humble peak]

PK is pure soul? What?

[visual glacier]

If that was the case then the FS “accept” thing wouldn’t exist

[honest sun]

oh yea hornet take this silk and kill everyone yea gms thanks

[craggy smelt]

maybe the resulting Weaver Queen would be less sinister
without knowing what she's actually like, it's impossible to say

[honest sun]

pk is a higher being¿

[silk dirge]

idk but pk probably is a large part soul

[fossil ledge]

I hadn't thought about this before, but it is interesting to note that both higher beings slayed seem to be entirely composed of the power they have control over

Radiance of Dream Essence, GMS of Silk

[silk dirge]

yeah

[honest sun]

could gms just grab hornet with the long hair silk

[silk dirge]

it could be radiance is full of essence which would also work for gms

[vestal swan]

Individual Weaver biology is already weird, first sinner doesn't have arms, Herra has six. Hornet getting more arms could just be more of her Weaver stuff activating then her turning into GMS

[craggy smelt]

Pale Wyrms' carcass continually generates wind = Pale Wyrm was HB and primal source of wind~!

[edgy nebula]

she doesnt wanna mess up her boss hairdo

[silk dirge]

maybe gms has a non silk body that is full of silk inside

[edgy nebula]

the black is presumably silk

[honest sun]

understandable

[honest sun]

VOID SILK

[craggy smelt]

dyed silk

[fossil ledge]

Possibly, though perhaps her hair silk is tied to the cocoon and what's being funelled to the Citadel

[vestal swan]

GMS wears silk, she's not made of it

[edgy nebula]

phantom dyed her silk gray and black cause she's emo

gms just doesnt understand her

[fossil ledge]

That does seem to be the implication, but someone posted this earlier which looks interesting

[honest sun]

shes literally naked

[fossil ledge]

It reminded me of the Radiance being destroyed as well

[honest sun]

darkened silk

[vestal swan]

Hmmmmmm

[humble peak]

actually it would make sense if she had a lot of silk inside of her considering she like
is the primal source of it

[timber pond]

Gms Is The Mask itself?

[craggy smelt]

maybe with the binding, she's being broken down futher into her primal essence, moreso even than in the Void

[honest sun]

this actually makes sense wait

[fossil ledge]

I don't think so

[honest sun]

did you just wanted to say poreso¿

[vestal swan]

Maybe binding transforms a target into what hornet can absorb, silk

[fossil ledge]

Could be

Though this seems like a very powerful ability to have, if it can even do this to the primal source of silk

[vestal swan]

Transmutation ability, homunculi, binding god
Found another anime reference

[craggy smelt]

same thing with crests, maybe?

[honest sun]

her arms are still white tho

[craggy smelt]

GMS is transforming the HUD like a crest

[timber pond]

That is Just alchemy man. Where do you think FullMetal Alchemist got the idea from?😭

[edgy nebula]

the crest hornet gets from binding gms is probably same as any other crest we've collected

[timber pond]

Alot of Ideas of Transmutation are very old

[sinful nimbus]

They named an entire pseudoscience after FullMetal Alchemist woah

[honest sun]

alright so gms MAKES silk, and she CONTAINS silk inside her¿

[silk dirge]

its funny when people bring up the fact hornet could theoretically bind anything she wants

[vestal swan]

Fullmetal was so ahead of its time

[honest sun]

binding the blue funny sustance

[fossil ledge]

This is true. I just find it interesting that GMS appears to have 8 arms during the silk attack, and that appearance is the one Hornet evolves into in the Weaver Queen ending. My guess is either GMS used to have 8 arms at the peak of her strength, or she's trying/wanting to evolve into a form that does

[silk dirge]

hornet could really bind a fucking massive mossgrub if she really wanted to

[timber pond]

[silk dirge]

itd be a useless crest

[stone herald]

she shouldve bound a vessel and gotten sick void powers

[silk dirge]

but itd be funny

[stone herald]

nevermind thats not a good idea at all

[craggy smelt]

"Finally, I become the perfect fuzzy form..."

something tells me binding the Void wouldn't work

[honest sun]

did you say perfect¿

[timber pond]

Alchemy itself is all about Consuming what makes up "God" that is what the Philosophers stone is. The weavers bassicaly sought and made one.

[craggy smelt]

furfect

[honest sun]

the pk tried it

[timber pond]

FMA is just like some anime interpritation of that

[vestal swan]

Binding void is a 50/50 possibilty
Bc silk is susceptible to void
We need a giant RPS chart of everyones weaknesses

[fossil ledge]

Do we know if Hornet would be able to bind something that isn't associated with silk?

[silk dirge]

yes

[honest sun]

hold on couldnt tk bind the void inside him¿

[edgy nebula]

yes

[honest sun]

how

[silk dirge]

she does it 6 times in game

[edgy nebula]

she binds many things not associated with silk

[vestal swan]

She binds random dead things

[fossil ledge]

Oh right, the crests

[honest sun]

she binded my dad

[trim prairie]

rock paper scissors shoot hollow knight was actually go crazy

[fossil ledge]

I'm guessing anything with soul most likely

[sinful nimbus]

What would happen if Hornet bound the voided GMS

[silk dirge]

yeah

[edgy nebula]

milk crest

[vestal swan]

Fun convo but my pizzas done bye

[timber pond]

By your Logic "Father' From FMA is The void 😂 (They represent the same "kind" of entity anyway, so not a far leap in logic)

[craggy smelt]

Void Given Hornet

[sinful nimbus]

And you aren't going to share?

[honest sun]

this has two meanings

[fossil ledge]

If it's soul Hornet can bind to, then probably not void

[silk dirge]

what did you expect from a mod

[sinful nimbus]

The mods' gluttony and greed knows no bounds

[silk dirge]

mods are the weavers of this server

[honest sun]

wait is it a mod

[honest sun]

the higher beings

[fossil ledge]

Though I am curious if she'd be able to bind void-touched beings like Shadow Creepers and such

[honest sun]

the greed they talk about int bible....................

[stone herald]

probably would go very very badly

if theres TOO much void

[silk dirge]

id bind a shadow charger

i would not bind an abyss dinosaur

[honest sun]

id bing the floor

[craggy smelt]

Hornet describes crests as 'signifier of a bug's essence and their invisible yoke born through a lifetime'
I don't know if the essence there is capital E Essence, she doesn't always capitalize Void either (which is frustrating)
I think she'd have to bind to something that has Soul and/or Essence, like how her silk can connect to the past and memories etc,

[fossil ledge]

I do believe Dream Essence and the essence Hornet is referring to are different things

[stone herald]

maybe binding is like copy pastying someone elses wikipedia article onto your own

if its like 2 or 3 words like a shadow creeper it doesnt really matter, but if you add the reapers one, now you got these sick abilities

[silk dirge]

its basically the shit i wished for as kid doing school work

[honest sun]

so weavers can see the past

[edgy nebula]

wish we got more lore on reaper crest

[silk dirge]

i wished i could just learn all math immediately

[fossil ledge]

Binding seems to be more like adding someone's essence to your own, where they add to yours but are still somewhat independent

[stone herald]

everyone can see the past

[honest sun]

im waiting for the void crest

[silk dirge]

maybe if i wasnt stupid i wouldve bound a mathematician

[craggy smelt]

Crests being like a representation of a bug's entire existence, the sum of their Soul and Essence, is an interesting element I think

[honest sun]

what are those swirly eyes

[timber pond]

The essence Hornet Refers to is likely Tied to Soul.
If its like any other concept of it outside Hollow Knight, Soul Forms the "Essence" of a bug. Masks likely change that "essence" in a sense.

MAsk MAkres can see it likely with thier sight

[stone herald]

oh i thought you meat like the weavers just know what happened beforehand, not the sight thgat maskmakers have

[silk dirge]

the way hornet describes it binding basically lets you learn everything a bug ever knew

[timber pond]

And mister mushroom just has it cause he can or something idk

[fossil ledge]

Soul seems to retain an imprint of the bugs it belonged to, so

[visual glacier]

What’s the discussion

[silk dirge]

crests/binding

[honest sun]

wait so weavers can see the past and future or

or does the swirl eyes too

[timber pond]

Soul-> Essence-> Crest -> Mask changes crest.

[silk dirge]

i wonder if tk could change crests

[visual glacier]

The only proof of this is “weaver of time”

[fossil ledge]

Original topic was whether GMS is composed of silk like Radiance of dream essence or if she's merely wearing silk clothes

[honest sun]

nah hes into charms shit

[stone herald]

i think weavers just read the past in like, silk memories or they just remember it

[silk dirge]

it has a necessary ability for it which is the ability to absorb soul

but maybe void would fuck it up

[stone herald]

probably MADE of silk

And yknow that kind implies that higher beings like GMS and the Radiance come FROM what they embody rather than the other way round
Like the higher being GMS manifests from the primordial source of silk, not that she came into existence and then started silking it

[craggy smelt]

I bet TK doesn't even have one
or its the crest of the dead baby whose corpse they're wearing

[honest sun]

like the black egg with the dream nail¿

[honest sun]

maybe vessel DONT HAVE CRESTS

vessels

[fossil ledge]

It's likely they merged with it in some way, if I had to guess

[stone herald]

idk, the vessels are definitely people

the pale king thought (or gaslit himself into thinking) they werent

[timber pond]

Thiers might be an Amalgam. Because they can take the "essence" of the snail shamans. They can Mould it in some sense.

[honest sun]

mmmm nah just kids to fight god

[silk dirge]

pk was probably in denial

the pop scene probably meant he knew it wasnt pure

and he was in denial about it

[honest sun]

THIS is what i was talking about. in this frame, does gms bind herself totally (or whats left of her) to hornet¿

[visual glacier]

It’s his greatest shame

[timber pond]

I moreso think he just believed it to be true to some extent.

[honest sun]

whats moreso

[craggy smelt]

Godseeker calls them 'eater of Soul' and they take Soul from all other creatures and store it in their shell
I bet it'd be a mix of all of that, if they have it at all, but nothing from the Void part of themselves

[honest sun]

sounds like poreso

[timber pond]

He Took the Idea of "shades" from the Acient civilization and thought it was an imutable way to make something animated that is "unthinking".

[rugged storm]

skynx is obviously a nosk uninfected who killed styx right?

[silk dirge]

possibly

very likely

idk much about skynx but there are plenty of people here whod love to vouch for that theory and ill let them speak for themselves

[visual glacier]

No

[rugged storm]

think about it

[visual glacier]

We have no proof that nosk and skynx are the same species

Also nosk wouldn’t need to steal a mask, they’re a shapeshifter

[rugged storm]

the mask is upside down

[visual glacier]

So?

[timber pond]

Well, its likely al the same thing. The kinght is very likely to convert Souls,crests,essnce into n extension of his "Shade" as seen By KingsSoul. If you consider that a "crest".

[honest sun]

remind me why does something black comes out of hornet when she dies

[craggy smelt]

who knows

[visual glacier]

Again, nosk wouldn’t need to steal a mask, they are a shapeshifter

Also nosk only has it upside down when fighting

[rugged storm]

nosk has it upside down when in their full form

[visual glacier]

So?

[rugged storm]

and skynx is off the ground

it might not be a nosk, just something similar

[visual glacier]

Yeah

Too much speculation is a bad thing

[muted lantern]

Did hornet learn her tinkering skills from the weavers or pk

[visual glacier]

Probably the weavers, given she uses silk to repair tools

[silk dirge]

weavers

[edgy nebula]

from being a hunter

[honest sun]

they both build things so idk

[silk dirge]

pk didnt teach her shit

[muted lantern]

How close were hornet and pk anyway, it doesn't seem like she thinks highly of him

[honest sun]

didnt even talk to her ig

[silk dirge]

she did get the sawblade gene tho

[visual glacier]

We don’t even know if they ever met

[muted lantern]

And I imagine guilt over pv kept him from being a father to her

[muted lantern]

I mean she lived in the palace

[honest sun]

i wouldve wanted hornet to fvcking throw a buzzblade to enemies

[visual glacier]

He’s very secluded

[muted lantern]

I mean that is an item she has

[silk dirge]

i think some sort of a moment with pk wouldve been cool in red memory

[sinful nimbus]

I don't imagine Hornet hung around the Pale King much as she is not very based like him

[honest sun]

hes very busy doing buzzblades..............

[sinful nimbus]

In contrast to the basedest member of the family who spent a lot of time around him, THK

[honest sun]

they both like tall fat bitches so theyre in good terms

[fresh badger]

Star stop calling self harm based

[muted lantern]

I think his absence in red memory had a point to make about her feelings about him, I do hope we get some exploration of her feelings about pk later

[silk dirge]

i feel like it would be a cool arc to have for hornet

[honest sun]

Hollow Knight: Pale King

[silk dirge]

realizing that unlike gms pk did genuinely care for her but didnt have the time to spent with her

[muted lantern]

I don't necessarily need or want her to forgive him but to make peace with the memory of him, come to understand why he was the way he was

[rugged storm]

I feel like the abyss is actually pretty warm

[sinful nimbus]

Why would PK care about Hornet

Don't slander him like that

[rugged storm]

interesting

[honest sun]

thats why hallownest >>>>>>>>>>> pharloom

[silk dirge]

and then tie old hearts into a sort of sacrifice to save pharloom that actually works

[honest sun]

again, hes busy doing buzzblades

[silk dirge]

this would ofc be with old hearts being in the real world

[muted lantern]

Hornet only truly understands pk once she gets divorced

[sinful nimbus]

Give the old hearts the song powers they deserved

Why was Nyleth changed from The Voice to a random Isma type creature

[silk dirge]

this is a theoretical story where hornet isnt racist

the voice 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[sinful nimbus]

The Voice... has chosen me 🥶

[silk dirge]

what if the voice just means democracy

[muted lantern]

I mean is she even connected to isma or is isma just a funky mosskin

[silk dirge]

what if pharloom had a democratic vote just for choosing seth

[rugged storm]

wait guys, so originally, verdania was on the left near moss grotto, and the clovers were alive. Verdania now sits under bilewater, and the plants are dead. the memorium does not sit under bilewater, and the plants are alive

[sinful nimbus]

Isma doesn't look or act like the Mosskin

She looks and acts like Nyleth

[muted lantern]

Pharloom is gonna turn into a fascist dictatorship with Sherma at the helm

[cedar owl]

you may also notice a lack of coral gorge in the game

[edgy nebula]

always bet on coral gorge dlc

[silk dirge]

sherma wouldnt be like that

[rugged storm]

I believe that karmelita's kingdom area will be behind that door in her room trust

[sinful nimbus]

bro think he powdered 😭 🙏

[muted lantern]

Sherma would boil an infant for 5 rosary

[silk dirge]

that being said sherma isnt the most caring about the environment and said he would exterminate spit squits making barnaks not have food and fucking up the putrified ducts food chain

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

Dude shut up dyno

[cedar owl]

laguage, starpengu

lamguage

[muted lantern]

STAR SAID A BAD WORD mods vaporize her

[sinful nimbus]

Why is Seth a Citadel henchman now

[edgy nebula]

the other successors pail in comparison to my goat crust king khann

[mossy jay]

have you been to putrified ducts

[silk dirge]

yes

[sinful nimbus]

The Citadel when they need to appoint a random dude that kills every churchgoer because they are bored

[mossy jay]

I think we all want to exterminate spit squits

[cedar owl]

first time I see someone get ragebaited by a bot

[sinful nimbus]

I'm washed 💔

[silk dirge]

barnaks live off of spit squits tho

[rugged storm]

I want this area so bad

[silk dirge]

barnaks are cool and dont deserve to go extinct

unlike spit squits

[rugged storm]

also just saying, LOTS of room for a plasmium dlc

[muted lantern]

Fucked up that the most detailed stages of life of a species in hollow knight we get is fucking muckmaggots

[silk dirge]

plasmium spire is probably gonna be in pharloom bay

[cedar owl]

spit squits are the final form of evolution. you loathe them for their ruthless efficiency at catching prey

they are here to stay

[muted lantern]

I for one hope Grimm does not turn up in the dlc

[rugged storm]

all of them are bad except for the biggest

[silk dirge]

im going to seed a bunch of barnaks

[muted lantern]

I like him but we don't need him again

[silk dirge]

that should fix the issue quite quick

[cedar owl]

can we get a standing ovation for this brave take

[muted lantern]

What are barnaks again

[rugged storm]

I hate muckroaches I hate slubberlugs I hate muckroaches, but the bloatroach is a free heal

[silk dirge]

the plant things in ducts

[rugged storm]

putrified ducts trap

[silk dirge]

that grab you

[muted lantern]

Oh the half life guy?

[silk dirge]

yeah

[hearty helm]

Guys I need help

[muted lantern]

It is funny how often that half life enemy gets put into new games

[sinful nimbus]

Crazy how none of them are as peak either smh

[hearty helm]

I installed lumafy, but it automatically picked the Xbox version of hollow knight instead of the steam version, do u guys know how to fix it

[silk dirge]

wrong channel

[muted lantern]

This is the lore chat

[sinful nimbus]

Can they catch pimpillos

That'd be a legendary homage and make the game a 10/10

[muted lantern]

Hl1 was better than 2

[silk dirge]

you probably want to go to #modding-discussion @hearty helm

[hearty helm]

Oh mb, where do I go, I js got here

[trim prairie]

if he’s banished from hallownest where will he go.. 🥺🥺😢😢😢

[sinful nimbus]

I wouldn't know since I haven't played HL1

[silk dirge]

or modding help

[muted lantern]

With how things are going probably the usa

[muted lantern]

It's peam

[silk dirge]

THEY DO

according to wiki

[muted lantern]

Tragically cogflies are overpowered and boring because otherwise I'd use them as they are cute.

[silk dirge]

i need to see a video of it

[sinful nimbus]

Ok so maybe the game is peak

[silk dirge]

but i trust the wiki

[cedar owl]

you would hate it, there are so many needless references to silksong

[edgy nebula]

yeah but no karak dlc so the game isnt peak enough yet

[sinful nimbus]

I take it back Silksong is the greatest game ever and I love red memory and sister of the void was cinema

[edgy nebula]

sk-lore discussers are genius

[muted lantern]

Okay everyone the nosks killed star pay your respects

[cedar owl]

fucking hell you said HL1 not HK1
you ruined the setup starpengu

I had the joke locked and loaded

worst stage-partner ever
dogshit improv

[sinful nimbus]

Retroactively everything that showed up in SS is bad in HK1 too yes

[silk dirge]

snarpengu

[sinful nimbus]

Me going to Deepnest and remembering nothing is canon anymore

Me fighting Hornet 1 and remembering that character I liked is actually a eugenicist fascist

[edgy nebula]

trilobite shrine is still canon

[rugged storm]

DLC potential areas

[muted lantern]

Silksong players when they see a black square

[rugged storm]

salivating for more content

[sinful nimbus]

The first image is where wormways should've gone

And keep Verdania in its old spot

[silk dirge]

theres a very suspicious door in bilewater that acmi maps confirm led to pharloom bay in the past

[sinful nimbus]

Freeing up room for Barnacle Bay

TC should hire me

[rugged storm]

barnacle bay already has room

[sinful nimbus]

Not for where it should've been

[muted lantern]

If you got hired would you add more lore about evil skeleton

[sinful nimbus]

This is the worst spot ever conceived for my goat

[silk dirge]

was it ever where you want it

[sinful nimbus]

Yes it used to be next to Craw Lake

[rugged storm]

no it means bilewater isn't horrible anymore

groal runback shortened

[sinful nimbus]

If it was next to craw lake it could act like Pilgrim's Rest in terms of progression while being cooler

[muted lantern]

Bilewater was never bad

Some of y'all have never played through blighttown and it shows

[rugged storm]

I like bilewater besides the slubberlug area

and groal

[silk dirge]

its so funny to me playtesters asked for a closer bench to groal even after the current one got added and team cherry said nope

[sinful nimbus]

I used to be a contrarian saying Bilewater was good until I realized it could've been the Gloom...

[edgy nebula]

what even was the gloom

was it just red

[silk dirge]

the gloom was never more than like a single room with nothing lol

[sinful nimbus]

OK but it would've been good if Team Cherry were good developers

• It had Pukebug

[silk dirge]

ok but bilewater is good

[sinful nimbus]

The REAL pukebug

[muted lantern]

Hollow knight if it was written by vivziepop

No fucking cost too great

[sinful nimbus]

No its not the lore is a whole lot of nothing and all its enemies are garbage

[rugged storm]

okay say what you want, but karmelita's room literally has a closed door and there's so much space

[silk dirge]

did you suddenly become evil

[sinful nimbus]

"suddenly"

It was a gradual descent

[sterile jacinth]

The closed door is likely were karms arena is :)

[rugged storm]

shhh

[edgy nebula]

for dlc we should get a new, better game

[silk dirge]

what happened lol

did you forget to clawline stilkin

[sterile jacinth]

9 years and yall complaining

[muted lantern]

This is what people complaining about bilewater is like

[rugged storm]

putrified ducts is fire tho

[muted lantern]

It's too small

[silk dirge]

nah bilewater is way better

[rugged storm]

killling the big guys is so satisfying, since their hitbox is so big

[silk dirge]

ducts is better than waterways

[muted lantern]

Silksong did really well with its platforming

[silk dirge]

i will say that

[honest grove]

That’s what I’m saying

Let me open that door 😭

[muted lantern]

While hks good platforming was restricted to path of pain

[rugged storm]

hmm

[silk dirge]

ill take primal aspid 2 over flukes

[muted lantern]

Honestly people complain about squatcraw like it's as bad as primal aspid when you can parey the projectiles which fixes almost everything

[timber pond]

Door to real ant city😎

[silk dirge]

squatcraws are so easy compared to aspids

[muted lantern]

Tbf primal aspid wasn't really that bad

[sterile jacinth]

Playing hk and honestly they’re only bad if there’s more than one

[rugged storm]

so outside of the dream, all the arenas are closed off, but what if for a dlc, you could open them somehow. There's room... mostly... the dlc doesn't have to be big... nevermind it doesn't work at all except for karmelita and gp

[silk dirge]

spit squits = primal aspids
tarmites = crystal hunters?

[sterile jacinth]

I hate spit squits tho

[muted lantern]

The only issue with squatcraw is that they drop out of the air with no telegraph making them really annoying to nohit

[rugged storm]

yeah😔

[rugged storm]

lowkey people hate the bell thrower guys

but just clawline

[timber pond]

It was only bad because pepole did colesum had some devious conbos

[silk dirge]

ok bell throwers are so easy

you can parry the bells

i never had problems with them

[muted lantern]

And trick shot them back at the thrower

[rugged storm]

let's compile the worst enemies, not in order bc that's subjective tho.
1.Driznarga
2.Spit Squit
3.Stiltkin
4.Slubberlug
5.squatcraws
give me more

[silk dirge]

tarmites

flintflame flyers

[visual glacier]

What’s stiltkin

[rugged storm]

let's compile the worst enemies, not in order bc that's subjective tho.
1.Driznarga
2.Spit Squit
3.Stilkin
4.Slubberlug
5.Squatcraws
6.Flintflame flyers
7.Tarmite

omg I hate flintflame flyers

[silk dirge]

normal bilewater dudes

[visual glacier]

I only know stilkin sorry

[silk dirge]

the guys who hop around

[visual glacier]

Idk what stiltkin aren

That’s stilkin

[rugged storm]

oh you're right

what about the wisps

[visual glacier]

Wispfire lanterns aren’t that bad

[sinful nimbus]

Flintflame flyers are hilarious don't hate on them

[silk dirge]

nothing in wisp thicket is that bad

[visual glacier]

Muckmaggots

[sinful nimbus]

There are also like 5 flintflame fliers so they don't overstay their welcome

[silk dirge]

regular conchflies in coral tower are kinda annoying

[silk dirge]

ok that barely counts lol

[rugged storm]

mothleaf lagnia is too specific a name, a dlc will definitely add a bigger version with a slightly different name

[visual glacier]

Why not?

[ancient stirrup]

Someone preparing some halloween theory tomorrow?

[visual glacier]

Hornet is the headless horseman

[sinful nimbus]

That's why you oughta run architect with pimpillos to kill them

[sinful nimbus]

Nothing is scarier than the hunter's journal writing

[cedar owl]

conchflies are important. they humble arrogant players by teaching them trigonometry

[silk dirge]

those are driznits

[visual glacier]

Those are driznits buddy

[cedar owl]

oh yeah

[silk dirge]

conchflies dont shoot projectiles

[visual glacier]

And Driznarga are the big ones

[cedar owl]

conchflies are drills so I like them

[silk dirge]

theres only 2 of them outside of raging conchfly and coral tower

theyre fine in the latter 2

but in coral tower they can be annoying

[cedar owl]

conchflies are important because they humble arrogant players by teaching them directional drilling

[honest sun]

wait so hornet did the path of pain

[cedar owl]

no

[vestal swan]

🚫

[cedar owl]

or maybe she did idk. she does seem like the nosy type who would look into her father's secrets

but I find it unlikely

no wait, you need the dream nail to do the path of pain nvm

[visual glacier]

There are wingmoulds in regular white palzace

[vestal swan]

They exist outside the path of pain, that's just where TK sees them

[sinful nimbus]

I wouldn't want to share food with someone who holds opinions like these anyway

[dry bridge]

she likely trained on a similar white palace course but I don't expect her to have done the path of pain specifically

[vestal swan]

I don't remember if TK sees outside of pop ngl

[silk dirge]

LMAO

[cedar owl]

sees what

[vestal swan]

And they piss off everybody else by hovering too high to hit most of the time

Oh autocorrect deleted like three words from that sentence

Sees any wingsmoulds

[cedar owl]

oh ok, yeah, there are wingmoulds right outside the path of pain

and a bunch of other places

[visual glacier]

The name is Wingmould not wingsmould

[vestal swan]

Been about 5 years since I've been in there, try to do a steel soul run but it died the day before silksong dropped so I haven't replayed the game since like 2020 at most

[sinful nimbus]

That's dumb

[visual glacier]

Kingsmould is the correct name too

[sinful nimbus]

That'd be like if it was Clawmaiden instead of Clawsmaiden

[vestal swan]

Why did we never abbreviate those by the way they're such a pain in the ass to try and spell

[cedar owl]

oh we woke up feeling pedantic today?

[silk dirge]

nuu after seeing wingmoulds in hornets hunters journal and wondering where in pharloom she could taste such a delicacy

[vestal swan]

KM and WM

[silk dirge]

yeah uhh dont try to say kingmoulds plural this way

[sinful nimbus]

Its disrespectful to try and shorten the names of our Glorious King's constructs

[visual glacier]

It’s disrespectful to spell them wrong

[sinful nimbus]

I'm sure he would've wanted to see it spelt Wingsmould

[visual glacier]

He named them probably

Idk

[vestal swan]

2025

[sinful nimbus]

Ew

Take me back to 2023 🥹

[vestal swan]

Take me back to 2007

[sinful nimbus]

Dang I knew you were old but wow

[silk dirge]

take me back to 3000 bc

[sinful nimbus]

Why did you edit that 😭

[vestal swan]

Because I'm not 1800 years old

[silk dirge]

yes you are

dont lie about your age online

[sinful nimbus]

Oh yeah you have like a century-ish to go

[cedar owl]

wow, and you're just gonna say that?
you know this discord doesnt allow minors, right?

[silk dirge]

( i dont think theres anyone who hasnt done this a bunch of times unless you were born before the internet)

[vestal swan]

I am 31 years old

Anyway what was the actual topic by the way

[sinful nimbus]

There isn't one

Quick someone bring up the slab

[visual glacier]

Broodmother

[vestal swan]

So Verdania has cabbage patch babies

[sinful nimbus]

What

[cedar owl]

Embrace the void is the only ending silksong follows
have a good night

[vestal swan]

There's a room where the babies hatch out of plant looking things

[sinful nimbus]

I don't like this

Please never bring that up again

[vestal swan]

So instead of just a male only society some people seem to think is possible, what if everybody's just plants

[visual glacier]

No it’s just a disguise

[vestal swan]

No those are actual babies she talks about them being ready to fight right after hatching

[visual glacier]

Wait do you mean the leaf rollers or the babies

[vestal swan]

The room in the house looking thing right beneath the boss fight

[silk dirge]

hornet says YES to child soldiers

[sinful nimbus]

Well duh she was raised by White Lady

[silk dirge]

when did wl endorse child soldiers 😭

[vestal swan]

When she tells her dead child to go replace its sibling by killing it and sucking up a god like a vacuum

[silk dirge]

true

[sinful nimbus]

Marmu was a child soldier

[silk dirge]

real

i didnt think about her lol

[lucid fossil]

holy UNC.

[vestal swan]

While that's a funny interpretation that makes white lady look bad, I think she was just pretending to give marmu a job to entertain the annoying bouncy child who decided to move in next to her house

[sinful nimbus]

This is the Hollow Knight franchise

[vestal swan]

It either has to be really funny or really dark yes

[sinful nimbus]

No one is good and all pale beings are evil colonizers except for Hornet (according to Hornet)

[vestal swan]

I think the funny option wins

Palestag didn't colonize smh

[lucid fossil]

i didn't think being pale could be something passed down

[lucid fossil]

palestag is NOT a pale being!!!!!

[vestal swan]

It's an appearance thing so yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Neither did PK but the game pretends he did

[lucid fossil]

i thought pale beings were distinct in some other way

[sinful nimbus]

Devotion or destruction 🗣️

[lucid fossil]

like being the god of gods or something

[vestal swan]

No

That idea came from a shitty YouTube video

[lucid fossil]

bud are they really just called pale coz they white

[sinful nimbus]

Its not an appearance thing it also defines a set of behaviours

[lucid fossil]

is unn green being

[silk dirge]

unn is green bean

[vestal swan]

Except in all of the things that are described as pale that don't have that attribute

[lucid fossil]

yeah i thought the pale ones wanted to rule kingdoms. maskmaker said so

[visual glacier]

Pale beings aren’t necessarily higher beings

[sinful nimbus]

Breaking news Hollow Knight writing is bad

Internet explorer over here

[lucid fossil]

i forgot where the dialogue is but the maskmaker mentions someone (maybe hornet) wanting to rule because of her pale nature

Or it could've just been her higher being nature i forgot

[visual glacier]

It’s her wyrm blood probably

[vestal swan]

Her wyrm biology, and also her asshole Weaver biology

[lucid fossil]

Oh Rifht Her Wyrm

[lucid fossil]

are the devouts also weavers

[vestal swan]

Wyrms are known for setting up kingdoms and ruling and weavers are known for gaslighting entire kingdoms

Actually who knows they might be with the shitty retcons we got

[lucid fossil]

are the little weavers also weavers

[silk dirge]

i want to see a live video of the pontiff crashing out after finding out

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet: You were mortal bugs, caught beneath a **being pale... ** Devotion or destruction... these are the only fates my kind allow.

[silk dirge]

bro literally crashed out

[sinful nimbus]

Lmao 😭

[silk dirge]

he crashed his head into a wall

[sinful nimbus]

This games dialogue doesn't get old

[visual glacier]

Hornet is both a pale being and higher but she isn’t a higher being

[lucid fossil]

yeah something along the lines of that

[vestal swan]

All of these stupid lines just make me put hornet into the white lady stupid dialogue category

[sinful nimbus]

The difference is we're supposed to agree with Hornet according to the framing of the game

[silk dirge]

i mean she was raised by her so

[vestal swan]

She got a needle from Vespa, spider powers from her mom, and Facebook mom logic from White Lady

[lucid fossil]

doesn't she like Not want to usurp

[silk dirge]

it all makes sense

[sinful nimbus]

Its impressive how much they butchered her character

[visual glacier]

Herrah told her not to desire shit like that

[vestal swan]

I don't care if that's the intention of the game if the dialogue is unbearably stupid I'm not going to take it at face value

[sinful nimbus]

While also trying to butcher the literal coolest characters from the first game for no reason

[lucid fossil]

is herrah some fat weaver or was she a different bug (instead of a pharlid) that got changed by Silk

[visual glacier]

Retcon

[silk dirge]

tc 4d chess it will all make sense trust

[vestal swan]

It's a popular idea that she is a different source bug and that does make sense, but it's really just a bad retcon

[lucid fossil]

so is she a fat weaver

[lucid fossil]

the retcon was her being common bug though, right

[sinful nimbus]

Was the first game's writing only good because it had dragons

[visual glacier]

Yes

[vestal swan]

There are no dragons

[sinful nimbus]

Like half the cool things about it were dragon stuff

Pale King is a dragon his species is literally a type of dragon

[vestal swan]

Take your opium to a Lord of the rings discord

[lucid fossil]

yeah i was saying Maybe Mother Silk changed More than Jusf Pharlids but that sounds stupid

[sinful nimbus]

Google wyrm right now vro

[lucid fossil]

IM STILL CONFUSED THOUGH HERRAH DOES MOT LOOK LIKE A WEAVER ....

[silk dirge]

team cherry about to dissappear for 2 years and drop "the real act 3" dlc with hornet pk arc and pk in red memory and her getting a pale aura from red memory

[visual glacier]

RETCON RETCON RETCON

[lucid fossil]

he's like a mix between the both, he is a fictional character

[lucid fossil]

hat do U Mean Brah !!

[sinful nimbus]

Its no coincidence that the worst parts of Silksong are the ones where it tries to slander the dragons

[vestal swan]

Retcon don't have to make sense they just suck

[visual glacier]

Herrah wasn’t a weaver in the first game

[lucid fossil]

umm ok

she looks the same in red memory besides being like cloaked

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah Hollow Knight presented a unique spin on dragons

[visual glacier]

They tried to slim her down a bit and not show her 8 arms

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong just said "Nah I hate that" and starting insulting it for no reason

[vestal swan]

There are no dragons in Hallownest :lant why is there no lantern emote

[silk dirge]

i dont think sandworms are unique but yeah thats fair enough

[lucid fossil]

i sounded silly i meant he's a fictional bug not character

[sinful nimbus]

Powdered why do you hate dragons

[silk dirge]

sandworms are cool as fuck

[vestal swan]

I don't hate dragons there's just not any in this game

[sinful nimbus]

Pale King is a wyrm which are dragons

[lucid fossil]

he doesn't know

[sinful nimbus]

He's not JUST a sandworm

[vestal swan]

I know the lore in other universes for wyrm, this one is about bugs, so he's a worm

[lucid fossil]

He Doesn't Know about the secret Dragon Slip Skoop NPC in silksong

[sinful nimbus]

His lore was so much more and above all else he was actually likeable and well written from a thematic standpoint

[lucid fossil]

LETS not tell him.

[sinful nimbus]

Where are the characters like PK in Silksong

[lucid fossil]

dead

[vestal swan]

The fact that he's likable means he's not a dragon

[silk dirge]

tipp and pill

[sinful nimbus]

GMS has no characterization Lace has no screentime or presence and Hornet is awful

[lucid fossil]

huh 😭 how is he likeable

[silk dirge]

he was a good king

[vestal swan]

Ask the PK glazer

[sinful nimbus]

Rest in piece 🕊️

[lucid fossil]

bud he did the bare minimum by adding free benches

[brittle cedar]

we love our king 😤

[silk dirge]

he literally expanded everyones minds lmao

[lucid fossil]

didn't he put his workers at risk after repeatedly sending them to deepnest

[sinful nimbus]

"Repeatedly"

[visual glacier]

Sure

[lucid fossil]

...that's still bare minimum for his species

[sinful nimbus]

It was one accident afawk

[vestal swan]

I think he should have put at least some restrictions on the benches, somebody ate one and shat it into the sewers

[visual glacier]

Just ignore the slavery and infanticide

[silk dirge]

what slavery did pk do

[sinful nimbus]

Slavery is non-existent you made that up

[lucid fossil]

TRUE

[visual glacier]

Maggots

[sinful nimbus]

Maggots weren't enslaved thats fanon

[silk dirge]

infanticide is yeah thats the big issue

[lucid fossil]

probably something something crystal peak something something

[sinful nimbus]

The ""infanticide"" was part of a trolley problem

[vestal swan]

Maggots were treated like shit but nobody's saying they didn't get paid, and then might just be the hunter treating them like shit tbh

[spark valve]

'infanticide' also a. not an actually what happened and b. was a necessary evil to minimize suffering

[visual glacier]

They were forced to do labor

[lucid fossil]

do we know the reason behind him throwing millions of children instead of just making one into the void

[sinful nimbus]

No but there are many feasible explanations

[vestal swan]

They were forced to do the menial jobs, it doesn't mean they were forced to do it for free? Unless I'm misremembering the dialogue

[sinful nimbus]

Its obviously not that he did it for the heck of it however

[visual glacier]

Happy wife happy life

[random harbor]

Hunter's Journal: Maggot

Description:
Weakest members of the kingdom of Hallownest. Generally looked down upon and forced to do menial labour.

Hunter's notes:
Consisting mainly of sweet fat, these helpless creatures make excellent provisions for long journeys. Best roasted over open flame. If they try to bargain for their life, just ignore them. They have nothing to offer.

Dream Nail:
...oh no oh no oh no oh nonono...
Wake up, brother! Help me!
Aaaaaaaauugghhhhh!

@powderedwater_ used /journal name: Maggot

[lucid fossil]

they just did menial labor as what the journal said, so they were probably paid (though none of them drop money)

[visual glacier]

Forcing someone to work is still slavery bruh

[sinful nimbus]

Everyone is forced to work if they want to put food down on the table

[silk dirge]

i mean thats just more they dont have a shell

[lucid fossil]

what are they

[silk dirge]

why tf does a vengefly have money

[vestal swan]

There's two ways to read forced to do shitty jobs

• slavery
• employees doing the job nobody likes to do