sk-lore

[edgy barn]

this is the corpse holding Atla's effigy, what do we make of it?

[steep talon]

one penitent, thats not on copium

[frosty gate]

"Your light"
Why the fuck is a Random bug worshipping GMS

[steep talon]

oh yeah. maybe clawline weaver is atla then?

[frosty gate]

What if the "Unforgivable sin" the Flies did was actually just Worship GMS

[ember river]

I swear to god any random weaver being Atla is going to become a running joke at some point

[edgy barn]

It is holding an effigy to Atla I would assume she is the one they were worshipping

[steep talon]

forgive my silence is also interesting. maybe related to the song to lull gms or appease gms

[frosty gate]

Atla's light?

[steep talon]

ah gottem

[silk dirge]

ok yeah tbh what is up with clawline weaver whys she being melted

[steep talon]

probably too big to be grinded with saws, so they are slowly killing her like that

[edgy barn]

???

[steep talon]

hehe

[frosty gate]

That's actually a good assumption

[silk dirge]

someone yesterday pointed out atla might be a reference to a classic cosmic horror novel

[ember river]

I'm iffy on every SINGLE mention of a song being about the GMS thing

[steep talon]

which one?

[ember river]

That could well be the case

[silk dirge]

i forgor which one

[steep talon]

but what else would be important enough that one bug feels sorry for being silent?

[deft tendon]

if this is in that bottom part where tf is the light coming from

[ember river]

Looking it up in silksong lore someone mentioned yesterday Atlach-Nacha

[sinful nimbus]

Window

[ember river]

Where is light coming from in general, both HK and SS are in a big cave

There should be no light

[silk dirge]

yeah this is what i meant

[deft tendon]

[sinful nimbus]

Its looking at the Citadel

[ember river]

This is the discussion about atla by the way

[deft tendon]

i dont think windows create light

[sinful nimbus]

The Citadel does

[deft tendon]

the citadel is not a window

[ember river]

Technically that fence isn't a window either

[sinful nimbus]

So true

[silk dirge]

where does all the light in the citadel come from

[steep talon]

probably weird silk steam

or just those soul butterflies

[frosty gate]

Are the penitents and the slab jailors all flies? No right?

[steep talon]

penitents seem to be regular bugs

[frosty gate]

So the "Holy Silence" dialogue has nothing to do with the Flies sin

[steep talon]

probably not. maybe related to the effigy they're holding. but that needs more time in kitchen

[deft tendon]

well if hes directly accros, no idea how hes seeing light

[sinful nimbus]

That wall does not connect to the other side of the cavern

[deft tendon]

yeah no idea where that light comes from

[sinful nimbus]

The Citadel gives it off for.... reasons

[deft tendon]

the citadel is a lightbulb

[lethal burrow]

The Citadel is shiny so it reflects off the city from an unknown higher location

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong explained floating platforms

Next game will explain where light comes from

[deft tendon]

wait how

[edgy nebula]

i wonder if ckk would be a mentor to hornet if he were alive

[sinful nimbus]

Magnetite

[deft tendon]

well no not always

[sinful nimbus]

What makes you say that

[deft tendon]

i dont think hallownest has megnetite

[edgy nebula]

isnt magnetite only present in the magnetite platforms

thats the reason they break, magnetite isnt strong enough to hold bugs for long enough

[sinful nimbus]

I thought it was moreso that its not fully formed yet

[deft tendon]

normal magnetite floats, no?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah?

[silk dirge]

call me up in like 2 weeks ill be able to explain the physics of magnetite

[candid panther]

I just got the ending and im kinda confused,does the knight turn into shade lord or no? We see him in normal form but then shade lord in a glimpse and then multiple hands carry hornet to surface so it was shade lord right?

[sinful nimbus]

The Shade Lord part looks to be a hallucination however TK and SL are the same entity

[candid panther]

So does that mean only godhome ending is the the true one

[silk dirge]

its ambiguous

[candid panther]

What about dream no more

[sinful nimbus]

Its ambiguous between the two

Both Shade Lord and the siblings show up in hallucinations

[foggy fractal]

can be dnm or etv

[opaque pier]

Every ending can be canon if u dont do act 3 👀

Except sealed siblings

No one likes sealed siblings

[frosty gate]

Going off of the assumption that the Weavers lulled GMS before the Citadel and then made the Citadel instead of making the Citadel and trapping GMS with it, I have no idea where Phantom falls to be honest

She's so annoying to put in a timeline

So I have decided

Fuck Phantom, she doesn't exist until I say otherwise

[sinful nimbus]

[frosty gate]

Her creation isn't even the issue, is when and who the fuck appoints her to the waste disposal task

All of the answer to that feels like a stretch

[silk dirge]

someone should do a ranking of all hk and silksong endings by how good they are not as in like quality but like in universe

twisted child is definitely the worst

[opaque pier]

Yeah im not even sure what the concequences of it are

[frosty gate]

All of the endings in Pharloom go in the Bottom except for SotV which goes in "Decent"

Well, we´re unsure of the consequences of WQ but still

[silk dirge]

sotv is probably the best in all the franchise

bc dnm and etv are good but hallownest is still dead

no one has ever asked for a rebuilding hallownest dlc

people ask for a rebuilding pharloom dlc

[sinful nimbus]

SOTV doesn't show us rebuilding Pharloom

[silk dirge]

i mean yeah but its a logical conclusion

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe that prospect would have more meaning if Pharloom had cool inhabitants

Looking at you Pavo

[silk dirge]

nah pavo seems to understand how you solve homelessness

you give the homeless person quests to do and then you give them a house

ignore how you need to do rosary donations for the house

[sinful nimbus]

Elderbug did ts for free

You know its bad when the xenophobic rude old fart is setting a better standard

[frail steeple]

Every ending can be cannon if you don't do Silksong

[opaque pier]

Truth nuke

[frail steeple]

We could still say all endings are canon, as TC originally stated. It's just in some of them Silksong doesn't happen

[silk dirge]

anyways for my ranking id probably do

1. sotv
2. dnm
3. etv(both versions)
4. thk
5. weaver queen
6. strung to serve
7. sealed siblings
8. twisted child

dont know how to rank snared silk bc its not really an actual ending

also yeah ik strung to serve is cut but i think we know enough to say how good/bad it is for pharloom

[vivid kernel]

dh kos idyeh yes gang i agree

[sinful nimbus]

Sealed Siblings is the best because it plausibly kills Hornet

[edgy barn]

I would argue Strung to Serve is worse than Twisted Child in my opinion. Atleast in the latter there's a chance Greyroot just goes back to doing...whatever it is she did between rebirth attempts, and GMS's death means no more haunting. in Strung to Serve you for sure got a superpowered GMS haunting everyone left alive in Pharloom.

[frosty beacon]

wait what happens in strung to serve

am i a brick idr which one that is

[frosty gate]

Cut ending where GMS wins

[frosty beacon]

oh strange

[edgy barn]

well we can't say with 100% certainty because it is a cut ending, but it is generally accepted that here GMS manages to absorb Hornet's power

[candid panther]

Is that the base ending

[frosty beacon]

why does gms want to haunt pharloom anyway, she can already maintain somewhat of an equilibrium on silk if she just doesn't haunt everyone, is she stupid

[frosty beacon]

no, that's weaver queen

[sinful nimbus]

The haunting gets the choir to stop singing which helps her wake up which is her goal

It also allows her to establish control over the Citadel which is a good thing and it allows her to do stuff like send Citadel goons over to capture weavers for extra silk gain

[edgy barn]

On top of what Star said, GMS also just wants to control everyone

so that they worship her forever

[toxic quest]

do we know why GMS is kidnapping hornet or weavers in general?

like, i find the idea that it's for silk unconvincing, because GMS is literally the source of all silk

[vestal swan]

She needs more to escape the trap that she's still in and to maintain her daughter made entirely of it

She's been sealed up for a long time and she's weak

[empty flume]

So the white lady is pale root, and we have a character named Grey root are they the same species?

[toxic quest]

i doubt it honestly

[toxic quest]

makes sense 👍

[empty flume]

I’m just wondering if the white lady is a parasite as well

[vestal swan]

Not necessarily the same species

There's also white lady being a higher being and gray root being a parasite

[spark pine]

Thought part of getting hornet was to have another daughter?

[vestal swan]

What

Do you mean capturing her? No she wants to steal her power

Don't shitpost in here

[empty flume]

Since life blood is now like the infection for some reason

So does that mean the broken vessel fanart where they replace the infection with life blood could be a thing?

[edgy barn]

tbf during the second fight Lace one of needolin dialogue is "Why her... Mother...", that's where that misconception originated.

[sinful nimbus]

Lace says verbatim that GMS wants Hornet over Lace

[frosty gate]

Mommy issues creating lore issue

[sinful nimbus]

She's trolling

[silk dirge]

child wielding mommy issues

the sequel of empty dude wielding daddy issues

[foggy fractal]

what's the third game gonna be about then

[silk dirge]

person wielding enby parent issues

[stuck berry]

expanding the universe ✅ it expands on what exactly void does it shows us the history of the weavers as well as minor things like lifeblood

continuing the story i'm not so sure about because it really doesn't tie itself so well to the story of the first hollow knight it's more it's own thing

themes i guess you could count it since the last one was about fatherhood and this one was about motherhood? i'm not so sure

[sinful nimbus]

What the heck are these criteria 💔

[stuck berry]

leave impact on the franchise goes without saying

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't even specify good impact

[stuck berry]

idk this channel isn't that good but last night at 4 am i remembered this video and wondered

i feel like good impact is obvious no

[sinful nimbus]

It does do all of this except for expanding upon HK's themes

[stuck berry]

again i'm really not that sure about continuing the story

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong's commentary on centralized power not being that great actually is kinda antithetical to Hallownest actually being a prosperous kingdom lead by a fine centralized power

I would say it continues the story

The game presents getting Everbloom as somehow transcending what went on with the vessel project

Even if you don't think that makes sense () it is what it was trying to do

[honest sun]

so hornet just binded gms with her¿

[vestal swan]

Wasn't calling that shitposting but

[fading shard]

howdy

[lethal burrow]

I swear you shit on the game even more than people talk about if lace is a child 😭

it's like every other time I see you in here

[sinful nimbus]

Don't ask why I'm constantly hating ask why there is constantly something to hate on 🙏

[lethal burrow]

don't ask why there are so many flat earthers ask why the world is flat 🙏

[silk dirge]

is the world of hk round or flat

discuss

im a hollow knight flat earther

[sinful nimbus]

I'd like if it was an infinite underground expanse

[silk dirge]

oh so like minecraft world type shit

or the physics problems i was doing today type shit

yeah that would make sense

thats a flat world to me

[dusk harness]

I like Silksong

[silk dirge]

so does everyone in this channel lol

[sinful nimbus]

Shame on you

[silk dirge]

i think a lot of people dont realize if someone here actually hated silksong they probably wouldnt be talking here

[stuck berry]

could very easily be flat because the lack of magma in hallownest despite it being right above the abyss is weird

[fast lagoon]

i hate silksong my dad played it and instantly got stage 7 brain cancer

[stuck berry]

my father used to play silksong and whenever he died to a boss he would beat me

[sinful nimbus]

Probably

[bronze turret]

Evening, fellow Skongers

[stuck berry]

he was actually very good at the game but he'd throw on purpose so he'd have an excuse to

[fast lagoon]

my theory is that the abyss is at a high point under hallownest, above the lava, since dirtmouth is on the surface i think we can confirm, so hallownest doesn’t go nearly as deep as pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong is the second worst game I have over 90 hours in (Only beaten by Rain World)

[stuck berry]

yo butt

[vestal swan]

Mfw volcanoes exist and pharloom is a spire formation

[bronze turret]

I knew someone was gonna write that

[sinful nimbus]

How do we know Dirtmouth is on the same surface

We know from the Blasted Steps entrance that there are multiple

[vestal swan]

I completely disagree I don't think Dirtmouth is on the "surface" at all

[silk dirge]

do we think theres an actual "surface" at all or is it just underground

[fast lagoon]

would mount fay be on the surface?

[sinful nimbus]

All underground baby

[vestal swan]

Blasted steps on the left, waste can be visible from the right outside of that far fields room, and wastes at the top, pharloom is a volcano/ant hill

[fast lagoon]

when shortcutting to nameless town it says “go to the surface?”

[silk dirge]

imo nameless town is actually the surface and theres just no star providing light

[vestal swan]

There's no sky at all

It's infinitely underground

[sinful nimbus]

(If you're cool)

[fast lagoon]

hk takes place after the sun’s explosion confirm /j

[sinful nimbus]

AFAIK the all underground thing doesn't have any evidence

[vestal swan]

We've seen Mr mushroom fly off into the distance twice without so much as a cloud

[stuck berry]

i don't think nameless town is on the surface personally i think it's called surface memento because it's pharloom's surface and not much else

[bronze turret]

Fr, I wonder how it would be like if they could reach the actual surface, where the stars and the moon await

[stuck berry]

do you guys think the shroom is really good at digging and borng holes

[fast lagoon]

wdym pharloom’s surface

[sinful nimbus]

Its on top of Pharloom

[stuck berry]

the area of land above pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

Like how Dirtmouth is above Hallownest but is likely underground

[stuck berry]

hollow knight 3: the hollow knight will see it being sent off into space

[lethal burrow]

idk plenty of people I know that just hate to hate

[bronze turret]

The place far above Pharloom after what people call Path of Pain 2.0 (which I did not find as difficult by a mile)

[fast lagoon]

so either there’s a GIANT empty space under ground or earths atmosphere stopped existing, or we aren’t on earth

[sinful nimbus]

The surface platforming is mid its nowhere near Path of Pain both in difficulty and fun

[vestal swan]

Those people do talk here but they do stupid shit like send death threats and we ban them

[shrewd geyser]

I really love the way pharloom feels so much more diverse than hallownest atleast in terms of like...the inhabitants that lived there

[sinful nimbus]

I don't remember sending any death threats but ok

[bronze turret]

My guess is this isn't on Earth. In Hornet's first post in TC's twitter, they said she can throw her needle 30 yards away. The use of the yard unit by itsef would be too ridiculously long for IRL bug-sized creatures.

[fast lagoon]

what is wastes here

[vestal swan]

The sandy plains in between nations

[fast lagoon]

ohhh and far fields is when you look outside weavnest cindril

[vestal swan]

The intro cut scene where hornet was being transported

[fast lagoon]

oh yeah that kinda disregards real bugs doesn’t it lmao

[shrewd geyser]

The Kingdom of Karak, Karmelita's hunters, the remains of whatever bilewater used to be...

[edgy barn]

do not take years old throaway lines as gospel.

[fast lagoon]

• verdania i love that place, i hope we see more of the old kingdoms in dlc

[shrewd geyser]

Verdania too 100%

[vestal swan]

That is definitely outdated

[bronze turret]

Pretty much. People did the maths based off that, and figured The Knight would stand roughly at three feet tall.

[edgy barn]

Seriously, don't. I am a fnaf fan, I know that leads nowhere good.

[shrewd geyser]

Also we do see normal ants in skong and they appear to be normal ant sized so

[fast lagoon]

are the falling things in mount fay snowflakes? cuz if so these are definitely tiny ahh bugs

[stuck berry]

it's honestly incredible bugs can even see considering that barring lumaflies and silkflies there are no natural means of illumination underground

[vestal swan]

The random light source higher being is going to be crazy when they finally show up, they're just going to fucking flashbang the screen repeatedly

[shrewd geyser]

lava

[fast lagoon]

TC is waiting for monitors to be able to display above 255 255 255

[shrewd geyser]

Im aware thats not the point you were making but i had to point it out

[bronze turret]

Sure, but in all honesty, doesn't sound compliant to believe these beings who are inspired by bugs to be actual bug-sized I will never understand people's obsession with the belief they can kill Radiance with baygon

[vestal swan]

🤓 it's all magma because it's all underground

[fast lagoon]

bruh

[shrewd geyser]

yknow what i deserve that

i tried to be pedantic and got out pedantic'd

[stuck berry]

where does all this glow even come from

[shrewd geyser]

Maybe the moss is emmiting bioluminescent spores

[bronze turret]

You mean the attack's glow or the little firefly-like particles?

[vestal swan]

Higher being of unrealistic light sources:

[stuck berry]

like everything

they are deep underground and somehow it's clear as day

[vestal swan]

There's a ton of random caverns in both games that have no light source but are fully lit

[sinful nimbus]

We've already seen PK?

[bronze turret]

Game logic, the game simply wouldn't work as a good visual experience if everything was absolutely pitch dark. There's a line where game mechanics precede over IRL logic

[silk dirge]

maybe hornet just has night vision

[sinful nimbus]

Watch the explanation for light be something dorky like essence glowing through weakspots in the veil

[stuck berry]

then how when we see the game through the knight's perspective can we see anything in ancient basin or the abyss

[stuck berry]

no see i'm incapable of suspending my disbelief and everything has to be explained to me outright else i call it bad

[shrewd geyser]

maybe this whole conversation is a moot point because the game would be fuckin unplayable otherwise

[bronze turret]

Ok, I need to ask if you're being serious or not 😅

[shrewd geyser]

sounds like sarcasm to me but you never know with these things

[stuck berry]

i'm fully serious and i hate everything 👹

[bronze turret]

Ok I see!

[fast lagoon]

wait in the middle of the void ocean in silksong we can just see clearly, even after the everbloom is diminished

[sinful nimbus]

That seemed a peculiar design decision to me

[bronze turret]

Learning about flat-earthers has made me cynical and skeptical towards people's common sense, and sadly this isn't sarcasm!

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah

[sinful nimbus]

We finally get to enter the void sea and there's nothing down there 😔

[bronze turret]

Never underestimate the capacity of a person to not understand how a certain medium works

[stuck berry]

what could be down there other than void sealife

[sinful nimbus]

I'm not a chef

I'm a tastetester

[fast lagoon]

or we just never saw anything, it could be mostly void tendrils but nothing says there isn’t more

[stuck berry]

maybe void seaweed

[sinful nimbus]

Coral forest but its all EVIL adn VOID

[fast lagoon]

3rd game where chef lugoli feeds everyone void seaweed and controls them

[silk dirge]

is this just an elaborate way of saying you have a creativity skill issue

[shrewd geyser]

Kingdom of Karak...if only...

[sinful nimbus]

Void seaweed was in ROR2 actually

[stuck berry]

pale king lowkey a magician because how he was able to create new void life forms that don't disrupt the void ecosystem when placed in the void

[stuck berry]

the knight and co just seem to be chilling

[sinful nimbus]

As if I'd ever expend my delicate creativity on such frivolous mediocrity

[bronze turret]

I am so crossing my fingers that one of the DLCs might be abyss-related. One of the Kickstarter goals from Hollow Knight was an Abyss expansion that was never reached, now that they got the money, they could revisit the idea and implement it in SS like they did with land of bones, if they so wish!

[fast lagoon]

or the void isn’t that hard to avoid disrupting, we see it disrupted in silksong because it had a mother inside it going absolutely feral

[stuck berry]

well she's not made of void herself

[bronze turret]

I think it's more like a bedrock of the world

[shrewd geyser]

Mayhaps! In any case im also hoping for a steel assassin sharpe dlc...

[foggy fractal]

don't know

[stuck berry]

it's one of the layers on the flat earth, a couple layers below that is another plane full of regular bugs that sometimes recieve void rain

[sinful nimbus]

A void core is interesting because void is implied to be receding

[bronze turret]

I believe we do, just not IRL earth!

[fast lagoon]

you’re right we’re in the 7th dimension, you’re a genius

[stuck berry]

in my head i love to picture GMS's giant protective ball of silk being in the actual center of the world which hornet has to descend down to save everyone but that wouldn't make sense

[stuck berry]

how so

[sinful nimbus]

The name of Ancient Basin

There's even some void leftover there

[honest sun]

how did this happen¿ what did gms do to that bug so it turns into a weaver or was it already one

[fast lagoon]

maybe it receded below the lava by the time silksong happened, which is why no lava in hk

[honest sun]

i didnt undertand this cutscene

[sinful nimbus]

Basically magic

[stuck berry]

she uplifted it with her silk

[bronze turret]

That looked more like a transitional space between layers to me

Like the part where the seafoam meets the shore

[fast lagoon]

was a caterpillar already a butterfly

[stuck berry]

pale king drinked it all

[fast lagoon]

a little thirsty

[stuck berry]

i think they call this a beach

[bronze turret]

I know, I was just exemplifying what the Basin would be as a transitional space

[honest sun]

what kind of bug was that was, did she turned it into a weaver

[stuck berry]

hollow knight 3 should have a classical beach area

[sinful nimbus]

Its a Pharlid

And yes it turned into a weaver

[honest sun]

ohh

[foggy fractal]

if you need a visual reference

[silk dirge]

hk 3 should have a candy area

[shrewd geyser]

All weavers evolved from Pharlids thanks to GMS.

[honest sun]

then why other weaver have like, closed heads

they just kept evolving

[silk dirge]

raa 2 damage

[stuck berry]

you jest but i wonder what would change if a bug land was introduced to sugar

[stuck berry]

maybe she was just deformed

[bronze turret]

What is sufar? (non-native eng speaker)

Oh sugar typo

[stuck berry]

same lol dw about it

[honest sun]

im non eng speaker too

[edgy barn]

me four

[fast lagoon]

you’re speaking english right now!!!!

[bronze turret]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-25277476

[honest sun]

no im not

[bronze turret]

Bugs at 3.0 speed!

[stuck berry]

because the totalitarian dictatorship running this server is forcing us to abandon our native tongues and live in oppressive uniformity

[silk dirge]

mods = conductors

[fast lagoon]

oh yeah why does sprintmaster in silksong look like dashmasher in hk and not sprintmaster, are they all just the same species

[honest sun]

why isnt there a spanish channel

[foggy fractal]

what would admins be then

[silk dirge]

gms

[stuck berry]

nos odian

[honest sun]

si

[fast lagoon]

can’t relate i’m a native english speaker

[honest sun]

higher beings

[stuck berry]

kills you with my super strength

[muted lantern]

it is a neat detail that the haunted compelled to pray (or perhaps this is them right before they turn since they get possessed by thread right before attacking) do so typically in front of altars of the cradle

[fast lagoon]

can’t wait for my post death stats to say “killed by the poop hour”

[bronze turret]

Then the mods would be on the same tier as Weavers?

[muted lantern]

if they are just then being posessed does that mean that faith makes them easier to haunt?

[honest sun]

as a catholic myself i can relate to pray the rosary beads

[fast lagoon]

ahhhh yeah they were elevated from being a common member

[stuck berry]

dunno how devout you are but would you consider any of the whole citadel commentary to be particularly biting towards the catholic church or is it more of a protestant thing

[honest sun]

ohhhhhhhhhh so when gms controls a bug its haunted but when radiance does is infected

[bronze turret]

Honestly, next time someone starts a discussion about GMS and Weavers divinity, I'll use the server's very role system to get the point across! It's perfect!

[fast lagoon]

expwain in fortnite terms pwease

[stuck berry]

battle pass

[bronze turret]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-pew-gif-14552925

[fast lagoon]

OHHHH I GET IT NOW TY

[honest sun]

uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh aronno man, i dont see any jesus or holy spirit in silksong just the mother mary as the gms

[stuck berry]

mary wasn't actually divine or created anyone in canon though

do you mean like the arms on shoulders imagery

[stuck berry]

well like she became divine later but she was mortal first

[frosty beacon]

hey does anyone have child lace bingo sheet

[honest sun]

catholic lore and silksong have nothing to do with eachother i see now lol

[stuck berry]

i guess the only comparable thing is the whole look of the citadel is reminiscent of cathedrals in a broad strokes sort of way

[edgy barn]

In tomorrows news: user "Butterfly" banned from Hollow Knight discord server for an "unnamed sin"

[frosty beacon]

bump

[lethal burrow]

They're more like Demons

[honest sun]

theyre worse

[inner torrent]

I don't like the roof theory

[fast lagoon]

i feel like TC would’ve been literal when they said “the surface” but maybe they aren’t

mmmmmmm

interesting point

closed-up radiance does look a LOT like the sun

and theres CLOUDS IN GODHOME WAIT

[honest sun]

hold on so godhome is just really high and thats why theres like a free fall in godhome because thats the surface

[stuck berry]

this happened to me with "wait are we gonna fight the silk"

[fast lagoon]

this either implies we’re still underground or that the atmosphere and sun are gone, but more confidently this time

[honest sun]

are we gonna fight the cocoon

[fast lagoon]

or is godhome exclusively in the dream realm, or was it always in the dream realm, we don’t know

[keen axle]

https://x.com/Zingus5/status/1981712443391836206?t=4Ks51nZSrnyDjqpoy7TJYQ&s=19
Are we deadass

Zingus (@Zingus5)

This does make me wonder why the Void completely obliterated The Radiance but GMS got to thrash around for a bit. Probably an emotional investment, the Void don't really gaf about GMS but it wanted The Radiance DEAD

X · Oct 24, 2025, 1:20 PM

[silk dirge]

i think it is noteworthy radiance was up against unified void

where gms was up against ununified void

[keen axle]

Gms wasn't obliterated because of her cocoon

[limpid summit]

This is true

Rad’s equivalent is her glowing halo which we beat off her

GMS just worked overtime

[edgy barn]

Also Rad does manage to escape the void tendrils the first time they grab her.

[keen axle]

Don't think the unified void would have matter since hornet basically did her like the knight weakened rad

[sinful nimbus]

What

Hornet never commanded the void to do anything unlike The Knight

[abstract rivet]

The Void did not obliterate GMS because it was all GMS's masterplan and the void was actually created by GMS

[frosty beacon]

also it's not necessarily clear if the void trap was actually designed by the shamans to command the void, so the void probably had no idea about being near gms until the last minute

[bronze turret]

Yeah the whole idea is to weaken the HB enough so they cannot offer resistance

Like a Poke battle!

Void is giant Pokeball confirmed

[abstract rivet]

though rad can teleport, I've never seen GMS teleport.

[keen axle]

Felt more like a portal and the void just did void things

[frosty beacon]

yeah that's what i meant

[abstract rivet]

the void is just an aggressive force of nature

It can be bent to someones will but other than that they lowk arent friendly

[edgy barn]

It's weird that GMS can't teleport (we know she can't as otherwise she would have escaped the void that way) because FS can.

[fast lagoon]

wait is collector void i’ve never bothered to find out

[frosty beacon]

yes

[fast lagoon]

how did bro escape

[frosty beacon]

gms can? when she wakes from her cocoon she disappears and then reappears right in front of hornet

[bronze turret]

Sounds ok to me, Radiance can because her powers all revolve around the idea of dreams and all, so it has a priming to ideas of intangibility and abstraction

[abstract rivet]

She just a sleepy boi that js woke up give her a break

[frosty beacon]

she's probably been awakish for a while

[abstract rivet]

like imagine lowkey sleeping for like eternity then you wake up to see a red cloaked loser saying karama

[frosty beacon]

i'm not cutting her slack

[fast lagoon]

wonder why she doesn’t use it in combat

[abstract rivet]

she was in process of waking up

[sinful nimbus]

GMS weakest higher being

[abstract rivet]

not weakest we can tbe sure of that

[sinful nimbus]

Thanks for furthering my agenda

[sinful nimbus]

Name a weaker higher being

Unn is the only real contender

[abstract rivet]

nyleth

[frosty beacon]

bardoon

[sinful nimbus]

Neither of which are higher beings

[edgy barn]

First Sinner uses silk to teleport

[frosty beacon]

white lady

[abstract rivet]

Unn isn't weak hes just chill af

[fast lagoon]

she’s like kim jong un, she controls such a big amount of people but is actually bad at everything

[sinful nimbus]

White Lady never got sealed by her own creations

[abstract rivet]

also GMS just woke up, the version we fight her is like 5% of her actual form maybe

[edgy barn]

By the time we meet her she is in fact very weak

[sinful nimbus]

Meet potential higher being

[frosty beacon]

yeah because she was a chill guy inlike gms

[fast lagoon]

i think she’s like literally sealed in her own creation (it was her choice tho)

[bronze turret]

So it's a simple idea of different individuals having different sets of power, coupled with the prioritization of varied gameplay

[sinful nimbus]

Which is different

[fast lagoon]

yeah

[abstract rivet]

she just chill and has no enemies shes actually the strongest

[sinful nimbus]

It also seems likely White Lady has magical growth powers of some kind messing with Queen's Gardens and White Palace plantlife in addition to her soul powers

[abstract rivet]

All of Higher Beings are fueled with Greed, Power and Insanity while Unn just creates a cool tribe and doesnt get to conflict with others, shes the most powerful, unlike Radiance which i caan ragebait

[frosty beacon]

technically head god in godhome is a hb right

[sinful nimbus]

head god?

[edgy barn]

GMS desperately needs the Abs Rad treatment times 3

[vestal swan]

TK vs Rad was also just glass canon vs glass canon they were each other's weakness

[abstract rivet]

lmao

[frosty beacon]

the guy who watches from the throne

[vestal swan]

Oh chat didn't scroll

[sinful nimbus]

No

The confirmed higher beings are Pale King, White Lady, Radiance, Grandmother Silk, and the Shade Lord and we can also infer the Nightmare Heart and Unn to be ones as well

[vestal swan]

That's a girl and she's just leading a religion

[abstract rivet]

I feel like if we get a godhome, it'll be a reverse formula of the game (descending to the peak) just like how in HK you were descending to the kingdoms bottom, however in Godhome you ascended to peak. Or they might keep the godmaster theme going or whatever

[frosty beacon]

fay might be the access to godhome now that i think about it

they don't have needolin dialogue

[sinful nimbus]

Red Memory fuels the whitelady sizeshifting agenda I just realize

[vestal swan]

Needolin does not read thoughts, it reads things connected to silk

[sinful nimbus]

She's completely different from the nursery size

[vestal swan]

A lack of needle dialogue is not a lack of dream connection

Or resistance to it

[frosty beacon]

oh yeah i had a question about that

are those the heart bosses actual DREAMS we are accessing

[vestal swan]

Memories but in this universe those are pretty much the same thing

It's probably them right before they went down or started fading from their peak

[frosty beacon]

because if you die in the dream, you die in real life, clearly

[bronze turret]

What weapon said. It's like the correspondence of Lifeblood and Plasmium; different names, same principle. We're just accessing a person's subconscious

[silk dirge]

right before they started falling off

[edgy barn]

That does not happen

[frosty beacon]

which is unlike how it happens in hk

[fast lagoon]

you do not die if you die in the elegy accessed realm

[frosty beacon]

oh weird

[abstract rivet]

dreams are fiction..?

[frosty beacon]

i meant the boss you know what i mean

[fast lagoon]

wym

[frosty beacon]

i guess that makes sense, the dream bosses dream of themselves being souped up

[abstract rivet]

i don't think White Palace is fiction but

[edgy barn]

Dying to any memory boss is not a real death.

[vestal swan]

It's memories of the past

[frosty beacon]

i know that, but then why does the heart boss die then

if we don't

[edgy barn]

He means the HK dream bosses

[bronze turret]

They die because we are extracting their power through the memory, which serves as a medium. It's the same base principle that allowed Hornet to extract the Everbloom from her own memory.

[sinful nimbus]

Terrain and places that existed are considered dreams too?

[abstract rivet]

places that existed no, places that exist, yes

[sinful nimbus]

What

[frosty beacon]

wh

[bronze turret]

It's all founded on the same idea: we're accessing an individual's mind to find what we're looking for

[sinful nimbus]

This is like making a distinction between meat and poultry. Poultry is a type of meat

[abstract rivet]

white palace does exist

yeah but this puts it at a weird spot then dont you think

[sinful nimbus]

Godseeker wastes memory and the Birthplace memory are both dreams as well

[fast lagoon]

so does ascended nail access memories

[sinful nimbus]

All memories are dreams this distinction is literally made up

[bronze turret]

I think we're just mincing at this point, really.

[edgy barn]

I will argue that is the other way around. The Dream Realm is an actual place you can visit. Memories are just projections based off silk.

[bronze turret]

We don't need to make a distinction between the two, they're the same base idea: accessing a person's mind to find what we're looking for.

[frosty beacon]

imagine if we find a moth in silksong dlc and we access memory and we spread infection again that would be funny

in that sense, isn't radiance technically invincible if she always comes back if someone remembers her

unless every moth on the planet is dead

[edgy barn]

She does not come back if someone remembers her. Otherwise TK would have needed to kill Hornet, WL and anybody else that knows about her, itself included.

[sinful nimbus]

-# Ohhhh so thaaaaat's why Shade Lord turns evil and kills everyone

[abstract rivet]

I think memories as a concept is much more expandable than dream realms for dlc contenet its gonna be so peak if they decide to expand it on by adding coral forest, skarr forest, etc

[bronze turret]

That was before she was banished to the Abyss, which was the permanent solution to her meddling.

[sinful nimbus]

Yes that was a joke

[abstract rivet]

i would compare the void to soem shit like bacteria but force of nature is a better analogy

[sinful nimbus]

But also that's not a proper rebuttal, its not about the voids nature or whatever its about the fact that the Void is under TK's will

[bronze turret]

I think they both can be, it's all down to how Team Cherry decides to elaborate on the idea. That said, the memories in SS is the revisited idea of dreams as a device for exploring expanded to a broader scale.

[abstract rivet]

I always thought dreams were memories of the past when i first fought dream bosses and entered white palace 4-5 years ago, i didnt know they werent till like 2 years ago

Silksong got my shitty thought in my head and made it a reality

game of the year

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[bronze turret]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-the-silksong-is-real-silksong-real-silksong-is-real-gif-12051500745053312034

fun fact: this is how we say 'hi' in brazilian portuguese!

[frosty gate]

And we love you for it and for your funny language

[silk dirge]

this is whats really funny to me hornet is literally the only person in the world of hk who can challenge the void to a "friendly duel"

[graceful basin]

Do we know why you simply wake up at your bench when you die?

[silk dirge]

dying isnt canon

[frosty gate]

Ok I'm starting to piece out the timeline a bit better with some info I didn't fully know.
This game has so many little details

GMS probably didn't conquer the lands, she did probably shift some powers around. It was most likely the Sentinels who fucked people up, therefore, probably under Weaver command

[bronze turret]

Pure game mechanics. Ludonarrative Dissonance is inetivable when it comes to gaming experience, however small.

[graceful basin]

alr

so it's not some pale king future sight shenanigans or whatnot?

[bronze turret]

Nope. It's just so you, the player, won't have to play everything from scratch like Steel Soul Mode

[graceful basin]

gotcha

[frosty gate]

Nope
Not really official but many consider Steel Soul to be the canon

[graceful basin]

The fact that the game already acknowledges fourth-wall breaking elements such as savefiles made me wonder if there was actually some lore to it, lol

speaking of, it feels kinda weird that they acknowledge that once and then never again

[bronze turret]

Nah, that was just a fun meta moment for the player to feel the Void's spread at a more personal level, but it's not the kind of meta that Undertale/Deltarune plays with.

[graceful basin]

like I guess Void can just creep out of what is defined as the world of HK / SK now?

[graceful basin]

oh, alright

guess that's what happens when you go from playing DR to playing a game that doesn't deal with that stuff

[bronze turret]

Yeah, that's not unheard of, there's been a couple of people who, upon playing Undertale/Deltarune, somehow expect every game released after it to play with meta concepts and hide lore stuff in its database the exact same way.

[fading shard]

it's a easter egg

not an actual lore based thing, the player is not canon to the lore of hollow knight

[graceful basin]

TO BE FAIR I only started believing that once I saw the void over the save file 😭

[fading shard]

and a game can have some cool detail without it being related to lore

[fading shard]

it's a small little thing

it's not mentioned once

if this was undertale or oneshot sure

but this is hollow knight

[graceful basin]

it's void, which seems to be extraordinarily powerful and wacky compared to other stuff

[fading shard]

it's a small random detail

it has no implications to us being a thing

or it being a game or whatever else you're trying to say

[bronze turret]

Yeah, that was more of a concept meant to evoke a certan feeling. Gaming experience is also making the player feel a certain kind of way, too

[graceful basin]

Oh yeah I know, I was just saying that, if anything was to have such properties, it'd prolly be void

[fading shard]

butterfly

[bronze turret]

Hi

[fading shard]

how screwed would have the cidatel been if the pale king somehow declared war on it

[fading shard]

back in both of their primes yk

[sterile jacinth]

I think the citadel would win

I should be doing homework why am i here

[fading shard]

Because yk what I like talking about this type of stuff with you guys

it's fun

and what ifs are fun

especially with cool individuals such as your astute self butterfly

[lost reef]

okay wait I just realized the weavers are definitely not the only ones who can produce "silk"

[bronze turret]

I am of the opinion that there are no winners in war, so each side would have been royally screwed in their own respective degrees, with the lesser bugs getting the major brunt of the disaster.

[fading shard]

actually it'd be unrealistic the pale king would declare that'd be a cidatel thing but uh either way

[bronze turret]

True-- dang it was a trick question!

[fading shard]

XD

[bronze turret]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-embed-embed-fail-pure-vessel-the-hollow-knight-gif-2366832968629835047

[lost reef]

outside of the fact that like, yeah, a ridiculous amount of bugs irl can produce silk at some point in their life, didn't they put silk into the bodies of bugs? and when the bugs gave birth to more bugs, the new bugs ALSO had silk in them. It didn't come from no where, they produced it in themselves, carrying on Grand Mother Silk's changes

[bronze turret]

Being able to produce soul-based silk in its own shell is different from having silk injected into oneself. It's the reason why Hornet and other Weaver descendants were being tracked down and kidnapped back to Pharloom. The city had been surviving on recycled silk for a long time.

[lost reef]

also I'm pretty sure Styx is a Webspinner, which is a little bug that lives in bark and spins it's own webs out of it's forelimbs, which Styx seems to do?? like, he does it right in front of us. He harvests silkeaters, and feeds the silkeaters silk. silk from where? from his own forelimbs, which is what we see him do!

[lost reef]

GMS didn't need the weavers/hornet because they've been running on recycled silk, she needed them so they could free her from the song, and inevitably steal their power, and become god of pharloom again.

[frosty gate]

Ok I need feedback on this
Do we think Sentinels were just kidnapping people and making them part of the Citadel while also fucking up the ecosystem nearby?

[bronze turret]

My point is, Hornet's Silk is not the same as Styx or other common bugs' silk.

[vestal swan]

Zoo catchers and enforcement

[fading shard]

I mean it is confirmed that the sentinels were forcefully brining in new servants

and zoo stuff

[bronze turret]

You're making a timeline?

[lost reef]

well, probably not "forcefully" I'm pretty sure they were already consenting even if they didn't know all they were consenting to.

[fading shard]

no no

it was by all means necessery

[frosty gate]

Yeah, for the funsies, most of it is vague info and assumptions based on common interpretations because events in Pharloom are tangled

[bronze turret]

Ok you're a warrior, putting timelines together takes a long time!

[frosty gate]

Does that apply to fucking up the Karak? I still don't know who pushed them back

[vestal swan]

Idk

[lost reef]

yeah but the pilgrims were already coming to the citadel, they were already doing it, they didn't need to coerce or drag them along, they were already coming.

[bronze turret]

I would say it does, they stand on the borders of Pharloom the same way the other fallen kingdoms do

Having said that... slight, small chance Grimm DLC might happen.

Because the Heart feeds on the flames left by dead kingdoms

Knight, sitting in the audience, eating popcorn and eagerly watching their sis have her turn at beating Grimm!

[fading shard]

butterfly here's a question for you

[bronze turret]

Bring it on

[fading shard]

what do you think the idea of a dlc that would add hornet confronting a memory version of the ple king

or nightmare grimm to be in a dlc

or just the grimm troupe in general

[abstract rivet]

Unlikely

[bronze turret]

Unlikely, but it would not contradict anything the lore has told us about the Heart, one can dream! (no pun intended)

[fading shard]

XDD

still find it to be funny

[fading shard]

True one can cope

[frosty gate]

Wait who are we talking about?

[graceful basin]

Do y'all think it'd be more likely for the "godhome equivalent" DLC to be focused on Godseekers or Hornet revisiting her memory through shaman elegy of the deep shenanigans?

[sinful nimbus]

The latter

[graceful basin]

What is silk even made out of?

[sinful nimbus]

Spider silk imbued with soul

Ahh ha! Truth. In Pharloom, yours is a rare skill, prized beyond measure, to channel one's soul within a thread. Soul and Silk inseparably linked.

[graceful basin]

so "Silk" is one thing, and "Soul" is another?

Silk isn't made out of Soul, but Soul can be channeled into Silk?

[toxic quest]

wait, what? when?

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[graceful basin]

So does Hornet gain silk when striking an enemy because she collects their Soul?

[stone herald]

she probably COULD but the enemies are already full of silk

[graceful basin]

or do you need some special technique to collect Soul that way which only the shamans / vessels knew of?

[silk dirge]

yes

[graceful basin]

Even Trobbio?

[vestal swan]

She doesn't collect the soul from the jars she's basically recycling silk

[stone herald]

oh you right

[graceful basin]

And aren't there wild beasts that would have no reason to ever be injected with silk

[stone herald]

yeah its just soul like the knight does it seems then

[stone herald]

the surface bugs arent silky but you still get silk

[vestal swan]

It's only silk recycling but it's inconsistent with the gameplay

She's not gathering soul

[stone herald]

is there anything that says hornet cant absorb soul

[graceful basin]

what the hell could PK do if his children could collect SOUL (which the shamans have to draw from the nature) just by hitting stuff

[vestal swan]

Soul jars not giving her any?

[stone herald]

soul jars?

[graceful basin]

speaking of, this is probably veering into HK lore territory, but why are higher beings innately linked to SOUL?

[vestal swan]

Under 4th shaman iirc

[stone herald]

where were they? i didnt see them on my playthrough

[vestal swan]

They're not

[graceful basin]

the tablet that teaches you about focusing in HK specifically states that, as a higher being, you can focus your soul

[vestal swan]

Soul is the life force that most living things use so if they have any tie to other living things it just seems like they are

[stone herald]

i think SOUL is the basic building b lock of all the "magic" stuff

yeah the life force most living things use

[graceful basin]

makes sense

[stone herald]

so all the pale beings are gonna be using it in one way or another

[vestal swan]

Not all magic, it's basically the life force for most life
Just not void lifeblood and possibly steel creatures

[stone herald]

not lifeblood? do you not get soul from lifeseeds

[abstract rivet]

does Hornet collect the silk of husks or collect their soul to make them silk

[vestal swan]

Nope

[edgy barn]

It would not make sense for the King Pass' tablets to be addressing actual higher beings.

[vestal swan]

No soul from lifeblood in either game

[graceful basin]

so SOUL spells are the "basic" form of magic, since they just use the SOUL that living stuff innately has?

[stone herald]

mildly inconsistent in gameplay

[graceful basin]

Then why'd they state "Higher Beings, these words are for you alone"?

[abstract rivet]

also why does hornet heal with silk

[graceful basin]

binds her wounds ig

[stone herald]

why not

[abstract rivet]

idk man

if it works it works

[stone herald]

silk is basically magic in this world you can do that

[silk dirge]

silk is known for healing properties

[edgy barn]

Silk is stated to have healing properties.

[graceful basin]

or maybe it's some "my lifeforce consists of SOUL so I apply SOUL in the form of my silk threads to restore my lifeforce" or something

[stone herald]

i gotta stop saying magic

[vestal swan]

I love having this conversation 75,000 times
The signs are propaganda
They're hyping up the citizens to come live there

[graceful basin]

but yeah Silk just seems to be able to do most things

[stone herald]

the bugs used it to "live" forever

[graceful basin]

weavers had lightspeed teleportation and robots and everything

[vestal swan]

Almost light speed

[stone herald]

it wasnt lightspeed it was like, train speed

[vestal swan]

You can track hornets movement

[silk dirge]

wait until those citizens find out they arent divine children of pk

wait where have i heard this before...

[graceful basin]

true

[vestal swan]

She definitely beat sound

[stone herald]

what no way

[graceful basin]

still, that's REALLY fast, y'know. Especially for pharloom standards

[vestal swan]

You can hear the zooming noise catch up to her when you stop

[abstract rivet]

was it worth it, weavers? to make the citadel at the cost of an kingdom

[stone herald]

time to measure Hornet's height then

[abstract rivet]

acc they gave us cogwork core

[stone herald]

assuming speed of sound is the same

which theres absolutely no reason to assume

[vestal swan]

We are not going to track the measurement of the speed of sound with silk-based teleportation thank you goodbye

[graceful basin]

Do we know why Herrah looks so different from all the other Weavers, or is that unexplained / an inconsistency since TC maybe hadn't fully planned out the weavers when they designed her?

[stone herald]

i have free will

[graceful basin]

Since hornet is half-weaver, we know for a fact that Herrah has to be just as Weaver as all the other Weavers

[stone herald]

i think it was a retcon as they made silksong since they wanted to expand on the weavers

[vestal swan]

Bad retcon

[graceful basin]

alr

[stone herald]

i dont think that happens

[inner torrent]

Nope, it's most likely a retcon but we can theorize
Either she is not a first generation
Or she was a special kind of spider
Or maybe she just got thicc while giving birth to hornet

[vestal swan]

It's literally a retcon not most likely

[stone herald]

Herrah is just a weird weaver ATP yeah

[vestal swan]

She is the first generation

[stone herald]

because shes a 100% weaver

[vestal swan]

Hornet cannot be a half Weaver if Herra is not a full

[abstract rivet]

hornet isnt a god but she does have more strength than alot of higher beings for sure

[stone herald]

pale king is also half weaver theory

[stone herald]

GMS just couldnt scrap for shit

[abstract rivet]

why not gng

i bet Hornet can solo Unn

[stone herald]

in terms of raw power its not like hornet could pull of a haunting or resist the void that long on her own

[vestal swan]

Combat ability is not how higher beings are considered

[stone herald]

she's just a fighter first and foremost and GMS just woke up

[abstract rivet]

the only higher being featured in this game is gms tho the rest of powerful beings are just strong peasants

[vestal swan]

Don't try to turn this into power scaling because it doesn't line up with how this universe works

[abstract rivet]

true

[graceful basin]

Higher Beings seem to have their domains be over so much more than just strength

[stone herald]

they have extreme powers outside of directly just fighting

[graceful basin]

yeah

Unn can just dream stuff into existence
the white lady has... white lady powers?

[vestal swan]

It's not really domains either, only one of them really has that, actually two now? No not really actually... I was about to say GMS is the origin of silk but spiders that are not weavers exist

[stone herald]

but in a fight theres not really much reason to suspect that GMS was really practicing or anything, look at her attacks she's kind of flailing around at hornet

[stone herald]

origin of Silk (capital S, since normal bug based string exists)

[vestal swan]

Doesn't really apply

[graceful basin]

maybe GMS is the origin of silk / "the higher being of silk"?

[abstract rivet]

what if instead of silk we just used muckmaggots

embrace muckmaggots

[vestal swan]

I don't do this randomly capitalizing the word makes it a different thing shit

[graceful basin]

the Radiance clearly has dream powers, but people probably dreamed before her, y'know

[stone herald]

strong enough to beat the shadelord

[stone herald]

it does it in game

[vestal swan]

It doesn't really

[edgy barn]

why not? The game does call her the primal source of Silk.

[vestal swan]

It's extremely inconsistent and is never really lined up with any importance

For several terms

For GMS to be the origin of silk every spider in existence would have to be descended or related to her creations?
Spiders exist that are not Weaver's or weaver descendants

We know her creations are uplifting weavers
Two silk children
( )

[edgy barn]

The silk Weavers and GMS have is made from soul.

[vestal swan]

It's infused

[stone herald]

made from

[vestal swan]

[stone herald]

it says it verbatim in the materium

[graceful basin]

god damn, didn't know HK lore was fromsoft-levels of unclear and confusing

[vestal swan]

It says infused too?

[stone herald]

it can be made from and also be infused with soul

[vestal swan]

Hi yes welcome to lore

[edgy barn]

"Fine thread spun from the soul of its creator. Highly coveted for its remarkable strength and mystical properties. Used to heal wounds, extend life and weave powerful runes."

[stone herald]

i can make a plastic sponge and infuse it with oil

[vestal swan]

Anyway non-magic silk can exist and so can other spiders

[graceful basin]

Does that mean that, assuming us gaining silk when we hit something is due to absorbing the silk they had in their bodies due to Whiteward, we're basically using weaver / GMS silk?

[inner torrent]

Is she a half weaver? I have heard people say that but I don't remember when was that stated, haven't finished act 3 tho

[graceful basin]

the choral commandment says half weaver afaik

[stone herald]

hornet is half weaver for sure

[vestal swan]

It's on the order to capture her

You can find it on the corpse in the chasm above Moss whatever

[inner torrent]

Greyroot and Eva seem to be in some way closer to higher beings

[vestal swan]

One is a parasite one is an imitation that was crafted by Weaver's

[toxic quest]

Versatile thread naturally produced within the shell.

I think hornet's silk is analogous to the knight's soul

[edgy barn]

And again, the journal directly calls GMS the primal source of silk. So either magic silk is not the same as normal silk, or she is in fact related to every spider in existance.

[vestal swan]

We also have Nyleth alongside GMS

[graceful basin]

is she also a higher being?

[toxic quest]

tbf in the hk universe i'm pretty sure there are non non-weaver silk-producing spiders shown

[inner torrent]

Is hard to say.
we can get silk from enemies that canonically, aren't haunted.

[stone herald]

you cant completely rule out the second one, its unlikely but possible not knowing the origins of higher beings

[vestal swan]

She's not related to all silk that is pretty obvious and what I've been trying to say

[toxic quest]

seems like it, she does to shellwood what unn did to greenpath

[graceful basin]

like my goat TROBBIOOOO?

[vestal swan]

or spiders

[inner torrent]

Trobbio is a higher being of pride btw

[stone herald]

though the capitalisation is (apparently) inconsistent, i think the "Silk" for GMS DOES show that TC intended for it to be the special kind

[vestal swan]

Except instead of supporting it with magic she's controlling it

[stone herald]

trobbio is a higher being of annoying tornado attack

[toxic quest]

cross stitch...

[edgy barn]

So you do think there are two different kinds of silk? Otherwise the journal entry would just be lying.

[vestal swan]

Wouldn't be the first time for this game

There are clearly two different kinds of silk, nosk uses it

[inner torrent]

I mean, is it ever called silk? I always supposed it was like, web?

[vestal swan]

What do you think web is made out of?

[stone herald]

its called silksong

[vestal swan]

It's not internet code by the way

[inner torrent]

Uh....

[edgy barn]

Nyleth grew to form a forest from herself (irl organisms can do that too), Unn just straight up conjured from nothing a massive amount of greenery and a sapient species.

[limpid summit]

^ not sure if this has been corroborated

But TK gets trapped by it in beasts den

[vestal swan]

Unn also supports from the sidelines, and Nyleth has control over hers

[limpid summit]

So the devouts or the giant puppet spider whatever can weave

[vestal swan]

Whoever traps TK could have been a weaver tbh, the giant spider has been completely erased from both games

[toxic quest]

i actually completely forgot about that, thanks

[vestal swan]

But nosk is definitely not a weaver

[stone herald]

couldve just been some thralls who grabbed nearby silk and wrapped the knight up too

[vestal swan]

Thralls of who??

Is there anybody else in deep nest with hands???

[stone herald]

idk those creeps

[edgy barn]

I don't think distant village is made from weaver silk made from soul. That would be an insane ordeal for no good reason.

[stone herald]

i called them thralls just because

[stone herald]

its also just not glowing

[vestal swan]

Devouts, dirtcarvers, body parasites, weavers, nosk
Like one of these has hands, maybe two

[stone herald]

the people who approach the knight when they sit on the bench?
That close on on them

[vestal swan]

I mean they have Weaver architecture and silk up in the Weaver den it's not impossible that most of it is Weaver made Weaver houses

[vestal swan]

Those are empty puppets?

[limpid summit]

I don’t think it’s a weaver

I think the implication is giant spider considering the weird roar and the 8 puppets

[vestal swan]

You know what would fit inside those puppets very easily? Weaver robots

[edgy barn]

I personally think that was Midwife (controlling the puppets I mean). It would fit with her personality of being helpful while being a massive asshole.

[stone herald]

well theyre clearly closing in on the knight to go and entrap them

[limpid summit]

Hell naw bro there’s no way the puppets are servitors 💔

[vestal swan]

They removed the giant spider from both games, it doesn't exist, what did I

[stone herald]

giant spider?

[limpid summit]

There was a giant spider in an original HK trailer

[vestal swan]

From the original trailer or whatever there was a giant spider looking face in the background, and there was a tarantula elevator in mosshome or something and it was cut? They did not want giant spiders that weren't Weaver's

Like snail house got obliterated

And dreamnail being funny

[stone herald]

oh i remember, that spider had the radiance platforms

TC really cuts a LOT of content out huh

i respect that a lot, keeps the vision clean, theyre clearly having a good time ith it too

[vestal swan]

Yeah I can't really respect that when they did so many fucking bad retcons

We want the spiders to be consistent, but we're also going to change the spiders and the main character and everything else that is unnecessarily connected to the first game

[stone herald]

they made HK in like, 2017

[vestal swan]

That doesn't mean things needed to be retconned

[limpid summit]

Sharpe WILL come back

“Expect many encounters” “a fierce rival”

Steel soul was just the tip of the steelberg

[vestal swan]

I hope he gets tisod

[stone herald]

TC really wanted to run with the hornet weaver thing, and i think they took it in a fun and interesting direction, so the retcons are forgiveable

[limpid summit]

HELL no

[vestal swan]

I want to see Sharpe get compacted

[stone herald]

i miss tiso, i miss tiso a lot

[edgy barn]

Sharpe is actually getting his own game to be the antagonist of

[limpid summit]

I’ve built my whole agenda on Sharpe gas

[limpid summit]

Compressed Sharpe

[vestal swan]

I don't think it was a fun and interesting direction to just completely change the established lore to simplify the spiders

[vague whale]

Tiso was way cooler than Sharpe could ever be

[vestal swan]

He got squished by a fat bug's ass

After talking out of his ass the entire game

[edgy barn]

List of Tiso's character traits:
-rude
-dead

[vestal swan]

List of Tiso's character traits:

• ass*
• ass*

[edgy barn]

Like, Old Stag takes one look at him and instantly knows he is trouble.

[vague whale]

idc man I still cried when I found Tiso for the last time

[vestal swan]

I laughed, he was doing the Family Guy death pose

[sinful nimbus]

I took Tiso Zote and Elderbug for granted

[vestal swan]

If Sherma is our Quirrel who are the others

[limpid summit]

Tiso was fun

Who could Shakra be hmm

[sinful nimbus]

If TC tried making a Tiso now he'd be a random nameless pilgrim with 1 piece of dialogue and then he disappears never getting any closure

[limpid summit]

I think Seth is our Quirrel as well

[stone herald]

Garmond is our tiso hot take

[limpid summit]

Not a bad take

[rugged storm]

garmond and cloth? not really

[stone herald]

yeah its not that bad a take really

[vestal swan]

Seth only exist in act 3 he's no quirrel

[stone herald]

i dont think you can really do 1:1s

[limpid summit]

TECHNICALLY you can find him in act 2

Just not Nyleth

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong doesn't have a Quirrel

No one really fills that niche

[limpid summit]

A Quirrel would have to be fleshed out

Sherma is pretty good

[rugged storm]

shakra is actually kinda like quirrel

[limpid summit]

Anyway Sharpe is going to be gas and a rival we actually fight TC has learned their lesson

[stone herald]

shakra felt like a quirrel, shes obviously not but the dialogue when popping up to a new area felt equivalent

[sinful nimbus]

Shakra is cornifer with an added ending

[limpid summit]

He was backed as one of the backer bosses like Karm

[stone herald]

karmelita was a backer boss?

[sinful nimbus]

Sharpe is dead

Hope is lost

[limpid summit]

Yes

[edgy barn]

So is Khann iirc

[limpid summit]

The known full backer bosses are Karmelita and God Tamer

Wiki says Khann is one too but it’s not cited

I think it’s assumed because he’s like in the sharpe announcement blogpost

[edgy barn]

Actually I was the backer. I submited him as Karak King Khann but TC choose to change the first word to Crust for some reason.

[stone herald]

oh if sharpe is a backer then sharpe has to go in then

[stone herald]

were you actually the backer

[limpid summit]

No because from what we know about Tiso backers never stop talking about their backed character

[vestal swan]

Shakra and Sherma are both Quirrel and Cornifer
Maps, Durable, co op warrior, ignorant of the world around them, dead mom character, actual character development

[limpid summit]

Zza would have to be super modest

[edgy barn]

that was obviously a joke.

[stone herald]

i mean i figured it might be but i might as well ask

[limpid summit]

Groal is SM

[stone herald]

Silk Mother

groal does not have nearly as much aura as the soulmaster

[limpid summit]

SO true

Sorry Groal fans but Groal couldn’t exterminate the middle class

[vestal swan]

SM doesn't have aura he's an idiot

His entire thing is being tricked

[vague whale]

Guys I know a Silksong character that's like a HK character

[vestal swan]

If you say hornet I'm going to stab you

[vague whale]

Mr. Mushroom is Mr. Mushroom

[vestal swan]

[stone herald]

SM coming in from the background was peak

[stone herald]

shade crawler 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[bronze turret]

This 🤏 close, Ashen!

[vague whale]

lmao gottem anyways

[vestal swan]

And then considering how he bumbled around in his boss fight and slammed into the floor and still died like a loser, it was more like a Three stooges skit

[stone herald]

no joke though when i saw a shade crawler is was like "OH MY GOD IS THAT THE SHADE CRAWLER FROM HOLLOW KNIGHT"

[sinful nimbus]

Soul Sanctum has extreme aura

[stone herald]

soul sanctum oozes aura

[sinful nimbus]

He can be a madman and still be cool af

Maybe Netherlord was onto something

[vague whale]

you really thought I'd take the low hanging fruit that is Hornet instead of the objectively stupider option of Mr. Mushroom

[limpid summit]

Soul Sanctum has Strong aura from what we know about Shamans now

[edgy barn]

I would like SM more if his spirit realized his mistake after the soul tyrant fight. His dream nail dialogue hints at him going in that direction but then he just ends up looping back to thinking himself inmortal and hating on PK.

[limpid summit]

Look what Shamans can do - and this one had a ferocious temper and an AoE spell

[stone herald]

real h8ers never stop

[limpid summit]

Yet the Sanctum won

[vague whale]

Well yeah I mean he is terrible

[vestal swan]

Yeah like -1000

[sinful nimbus]

HK fans when not every character scales to multiversal

[limpid summit]

Netherlord was truly onto something

[vestal swan]

Bunch of idiots who were supposedly good at spells start off down the wrong path, get tricked by the thing they're trying to stop and then fuck themselves up so bad they look like popped balloons

[limpid summit]

No character scales to multiversql

[vestal swan]

- aura

[sinful nimbus]

Yes its grim and dark

[limpid summit]

TK is like continent level

[sinful nimbus]

It also fits more than the Stilkin doing it for... some reason

[toxic quest]

SM was never really trying to stop the infection it was probably just a ruse

[vague whale]

we don't even know if continents exist in HK's world though

[sinful nimbus]

Bonus points for originality

[vestal swan]

I thought they were just revolutionaries but apparently groal has needle dialogue about becoming a tyrant? Which is both unnecessary and very stupid

[limpid summit]

“Their souls are ours” I really thought this was some metaphor but no they were really fattening up their chaplain with the souls of innocent pilgrims for some reason

[limpid summit]

Yes exactly

[sinful nimbus]

Soul Master also has a death fakeout that scared the life out of my followed by being dropped into a pit of corpses

[vague whale]

yeah lmao

[stone herald]

to be fair revolutionary leaders become tyrants very often

[limpid summit]

This is why I don’t think Groal is a good like revolutionary metaphor because he’s just another bumbling fat dude

[stone herald]

more often than not really

[limpid summit]

He tries to eat you

[vestal swan]

I mean yeah but that seems to be his goal in the beginning

[edgy barn]

I am not denying that I just think it would be more interesting if he had fully realized that did a bunch of terrible stuff and it was all for nothing in the end. It could even serve as a parallel to PK.

[vestal swan]

Groal has a goal! and that goal is to fucking eat you apparently

[sinful nimbus]

I mean tbf you can still kinda claim it a parallel to PK

[vague whale]

good for him

[stone herald]

i think it makes sense that the bilewater people have been literally shit on for so long and then groal gets some real power and goes crazy with it

[sinful nimbus]

Parallels don't always have to be one to one recreations they can also contrast elements

[vague whale]

Yeah it makes a ton of sense honestly

[sinful nimbus]

Although I don't think its a very interesting parallel in comparison to White Lady

[vague whale]

Most people would

[vestal swan]

If it's contrasting that's not a parallel that's mirroring

[sinful nimbus]

Blah blah blah

[stone herald]

most people in similar circumstances do honestly

[vague whale]

yeah

[stone herald]

its very very very rare and fortunate that an oppressed population does a revolution and it doesnt go to shit

[vague whale]

power is corruptive

[stone herald]

just look at groal, that blimpy bill definitely wants to eat GMS (joking)

[vague whale]

If he could he probably would, tbf

[sinful nimbus]

Bilewater proves tc HATES climate activists and thinks they're all greedy grifters

[toxic quest]

he probably doesn't know who gms is honestly

[edgy barn]

I believe Groal killed the Seeker for the same reason as to why he is the only stilkin with soul powers: he doesn't want there to be anybody that could threaten his grip on power.

[silk dirge]

ok this video is kinda crazy
https://youtu.be/t_-6Bvl41ds?si=YljLW_ffjqqw5U-7

i feel like this guy is cooking with some stuff

[vestal swan]

Ew why

[silk dirge]

but idk

[sinful nimbus]

"Ew" before watching the video 🙏

[vestal swan]

I'm going to place my bets and say there's at least two errors before 3 minutes

[sinful nimbus]

TLDW please

[vivid kernel]

Could hunter from HK be a weaver?

[stone herald]

nah i get the same impression from some of these videos sometimes

[barren beacon]

Damn you have no chill when it comes to lore videos, do you?

[sinful nimbus]

He does not resemble them in any meaningful capacity nor does he comment on anything regarding the weavers

[vague whale]

probably right though I'm betting on that too

[sinful nimbus]

He's salty because CCmaci's Mask video essay is better than anything he could ever make

[barren beacon]

🥀

[sinful nimbus]

Same with the "Where do vessel cloaks come from"

[vestal swan]

I don't know what's wrong with youtube but it's literally only playing the audio I've never had this happen

[foggy fractal]

sorcery

[silk dirge]

this guy believes void tendrils are all made from the wills of the ancient civilization

[sinful nimbus]

Ew

[edgy barn]

what does he have beef with Ccmaci in particular or something?

[limpid summit]

Let’s give it a 2x speed watch

Rainworldification of the void 💔

[barren beacon]

damn

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong is kinda like Downpour if you think about it

[silk dirge]

its a bit of a crazy theory but i can see it from what he provides but idk i dont feel we can make any conclusions on ancient civilization like he does

[sinful nimbus]

(I don't like downpour)

[vivid kernel]

Why?

[edgy barn]

may you be sentenced to penance by swallowing.

[sinful nimbus]

Mid campaigns (Artificer) Awful campaigns (Spearmaster) and cool campaigns but not as unique as the base game (Gourmand)

[limpid summit]

Gourmand is alright Spearmaster is fine Rivulet is good Artificer is fun Saint is fine

[sinful nimbus]

I never finished the rest Spearmaster was too much

[limpid summit]

Play Rivulet and Saint star

[vague whale]

frankly what were the slabflies making them swallow

[stone herald]

poopoo

[limpid summit]

Ignore Watcher I’m not paying $25 for another campaign that makes no sense

[limpid summit]

Bombs

[vague whale]

I really hope they weren't making people swallow slabfly goop...

[sinful nimbus]

Saint looks like garbage sorry

[silk dirge]

corium

[limpid summit]

Saint is fun

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe Rivulet

[limpid summit]

It’s different

[edgy barn]

I thought I hated Spearmaster then I realized I just hated Chimney Canopy

[sinful nimbus]

Expedition mode is where its truly at though

[limpid summit]

True

It gets better if you just stop treating the tongue like a grappling worm

[silk dirge]

i want to see more games have corium

[sinful nimbus]

I love Chimney Canopy its the funnest part

[limpid summit]

Late game Saint is very fun Rubicon is fun it doesn’t make any sense

[vague whale]

corium?

[silk dirge]

search it up

it's cool shit

[vague whale]

the nuclear reactor waste???

[inner torrent]

Do you think horn weapons are worse or better than nails/pins

[silk dirge]

its nuclear meltdown stuff

its a very interesting material

[limpid summit]

He says the “rune scroll depicting void given form” is a depiction of LoS

[vague whale]

I don't think that's what the slabflies were making people swallow

[silk dirge]

the most well known formation of it is the elephants foot but there are many cool ones

[stone herald]

im liking this vid a lot its pickig up a lot of the nitty gritty SHADOW CHARGER LOREEE

[limpid summit]

No wait never mind

[silk dirge]

he says this as an option he says it might be smth else later

[limpid summit]

Yak comment jumpscare

[edgy nebula]

dont that literally give you the void tendril journal entry though

also if it were shade lord itd be void given focus

[edgy barn]

The Knight's DnM form is described as "Void Given Form" in Godhome. I suppose that's the angle they are coming from.

[limpid summit]

Oh shit that’s funny

He jokingly says Shadow Chargers may be large because they drink void

I mean what if it just infinitely replicates in there slowly bloating it

[barren beacon]

Ain't no way

An actually funny joke? On a Lore video?

[stone herald]

i dont think it was a joke

i mean the gargant glooms do drink void

or have it in them at least

[vestal swan]

Actually I think I like this video
Dude is team PK fraud
Also it just made me realize something, which is dumb

[stone herald]

what is it

[barren beacon]

Damn Weapon you were wrong

[silk dirge]

bro judged a book by its cover

rookie mistake

[vestal swan]

"we higher" "you higher" void tainted
Everybody who uses this language is associated with the void
The steel city is probably just ancient civ remnants, or like somebody suggested the reason they fell. And in these two contexts it does not mean higher being it simply means those above the void or commanders of some sort, masters
This would be dumb because I don't want the Masters to be tied to the void that way

[edgy nebula]

the steel city is not void related im gonna kill you now

[barren beacon]

Was this the idea you do not want to come true at all

[limpid summit]

Bowl AC member is called higher being in the game files? What

I didn’t know that

[vestal swan]

They are void related, just seemingly only hating it getting used

[stone herald]

maybe its like how some nuclear stuff is fine sometimes but you dont want certain groups to hvae it

[edgy nebula]

that is fine i just dont want any relation other than that