sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

For example Herrah is named Hegemol in the game's files

[limpid summit]

The first Herrah retcon

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[muted lantern]

the flying skarr and crawling skarr seem to be a different specialization of the species, they don't seem to be as sapient as the bipedal ones. but they could just be the young but i don't remember if the hj implies that or something else

[deft tendon]

does anyone else feel the same way?

[lethal burrow]

When did they leave in relation to the binding though?

[lethal burrow]

What is there to learn?

[muted lantern]

so thats who wore the armor

[deft tendon]

idk i just wanna learn ab him :(

[limpid summit]

Probably before considering they talk about her silken sight and her web forcing them into service eternal

[edgy barn]

He was a corrupt judge.

[sinful nimbus]

🗣️

[deft tendon]

oh yeah he lowk just murdered people didnt he

[lethal burrow]

See this is the problem. I have no idea about any of the things people talk about in relation to this. This is why I'm so lost when it comes to it I don't know what people are referencing.

[limpid summit]

Now this could be post and talking about service to the Citadel but I feel like it’s not framed that way

[sinful nimbus]

I fw Crawfather and his judgement of Hornet was reasonable

[vestal swan]

The ones that carry stuff are def babies
Then we have crawling and flying ones
Then we got scouts (no more kids past this point) warriors and flying warriors
Then a bunch more flying assholes and the hulks
The only one we don't still see around are the humongous flying ones that only existed in Carmelita's era.

[deft tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-boss-the-crawfather-crow-gif-10007010360377671985

[vestal swan]

Reply fail

[limpid summit]

Flee, sisters. Flee until your strength exhausts, so far you may escape at last her silken sight. To start anew, to sustain, free of web and service eternal.

This isn’t when she’s asleep and the Weavers are ruling

This is a rune harp that appears in Weavenest Cindril where the paths away from Pharloom are found

[deft tendon]

wait why didnt the weavers just move to the nameless town? its out of GMS's reach

[limpid summit]

True

I wish he had judged Lace

[edgy nebula]

ngl wisp thicket, the splinters, and karak are the coolest factions in pharloom, no competition

[edgy nebula]

she isnt old enough to go to court or something idk

[sinful nimbus]

Sent to juvie

[limpid summit]

I mean we don’t know where she lived pre sealing but if it was the cradle then you’re just going straight up to escape

What if she dragged you back down

[deft tendon]

i heard a theory that burning bugs arent effected by the haunting bc the burn the silk to make wisps

[edgy barn]

No that part is totally fine actually. I mean that he had the craw memento on him which absolves the bearer of all crimes past and future. Meaning the guy in charge of the law was inmune to it.

[sinful nimbus]

She is extremely old she just has the body/mind of a child which I don't think is covered by Crow law

[deft tendon]

oh LMAO

[limpid summit]

No Stilkin mentioned common bobbitt W

[edgy nebula]

the stilkin are cool but only lorewise, ingame they suck ass

[sinful nimbus]

What crimes could such a glorious individual ever commit anyway

[lethal burrow]

right, but like... why? Why did they flee and why did some of them not flea and why did they flee then

what's the point of it? Like why did they flee and why did others not flee and why did they flee when they decided to flea?

[limpid summit]

Too much Swag

[deft tendon]

@edgy nebula

[limpid summit]

Awooo

Mamashka!

[lethal burrow]

Also, how many Weavers were there? The slab makes it seem like there were only 12.

[edgy nebula]

possibly, but i feel like the wisps were there before the burning bugs

[deft tendon]

why does crawfather have such luscious hair

[limpid summit]

The slab describes twelve sins

And the weavers weren’t the only ones to be imprisoned right

[edgy nebula]

he has that halloween costume judge wig on

[edgy barn]

It does not

[lethal burrow]

hold on now I'm confused grab that dialogue please I'm on data and everything is slow

[vestal swan]

Too much swag

[limpid summit]

Oh I got you

[deft tendon]

no he just has really good hair :(

[muted lantern]

theres a dozen of them because they are shaped like donut holes

[edgy nebula]

fair enough, must have a good barber

[limpid summit]

Ok wait I can respond to your first message first More

[deft tendon]

his conditioner was too good

[sinful nimbus]

The slab tells us there were at least 12 weavers not at most

[vestal swan]

First batch was twelve seems like, although sinner also seemed separate

[sinful nimbus]

Well assuming it was only first weavers that were punished anyway

Which isn't really reasonable

[deft tendon]

pentants?

or wtc theyre called

[edgy nebula]

what if the flies actually didnt do anything wrong and the weavers just told them they did soemthing wrong cause theyre racist too

[limpid summit]

The Weavers probably weren’t all completely united as a species (FS, etc)
They all began under GMS, some decided to leave to escape her web, the others who stayed held out and created things like Eva to try and escape her, eventually some decided to put her to sleep with song

[vestal swan]

[lethal burrow]

First sinner is first of the 12th And first of the first?

Are they not?

[vestal swan]

Think so

[limpid summit]

First of the twelfth is that the casting one? People think that might be Widow

[lethal burrow]

and the first are the Weavers since first is short for "first children"

[muted lantern]

theres not much in the hunters journal that implies they are young, it certainly makes the most logical sense but i remember the text originally making me think they were just another type of skarr thats less sapient, like how theres different types of ants in a single colony.

[limpid summit]

I don’t know though

[lethal burrow]

Widow is the last of the 12th I think

[limpid summit]

You right

[muted lantern]

oops i accidentally cut out the image, its the little crawly guy

[vestal swan]

Ik

[edgy barn]

There's a penitent in the slab described as
"Twelfth of the First"

Under your theory, it would have to be "Twelfth Sin of the First Sinner" which is obviously wrong, or "Twelfth Sinner of the First Sin" which is also wrong because the first sin would be apostasy, while the sin of the penitent in question is unnamed.

[lethal burrow]

I think it's pretty clear that the first are the first children, the Weavers.

That seems like clear cut so everything should be formed around that understanding

[limpid summit]

So basically @lethal burrow different weavers of GMS’s time had different ways of responding to her rule I think Eva corroborates this sort of in her dialogue

[deft tendon]

i need more mr mushroom lor

[limpid summit]

It makes sense that some couldn’t stand it and left

[limpid summit]

The truest Higher Being

[muted lantern]

oh i misread your list as saying all the ones below scout were kids. you think the background ones are babies? i have no clue honestly since there isnt a hj entry. but it certainly is possible

[edgy nebula]

i just noticed gurr has like 8 of the same mask in the background of his boss arena

[limpid summit]

He does?

[edgy nebula]

yeah

masks galore

ignore his twin

[limpid summit]

There’s two of him

Lmao he’s smurfing

Before Hornet he only fought level 1 crooks

[robust wagon]

I think their the same masks as the one he wears

[edgy nebula]

gurrwork hunters

[edgy nebula]

yeah he has so many of the same masks, i wonder why

does he change them every day for the week if he doesnt wanna do laundry

[edgy barn]

ehh I would say a Last Claw is atleast Level 3 or 4.

[muted lantern]

btw are drapemites called arachnids anywhere in the hunters journal? I remember someone saying they were. are there any non pharlids called such?

[limpid summit]

I mean it’s not an exact match but compare cow skulls to cow heads

Maybe he hunted his haunted brethren

[edgy barn]

Those skulls are away bigger than those heads.

[robust wagon]

Just pharlids, afaik

[lethal burrow]

but then... why the divide though why the distinction? Some left and some state but I doubt they would've stayed unless they had the plan right? Or else they would've thought it wouldn't have worked maybe? So I guess you could say two groups had separate plans and they both thought the others plan was unlikely to succeed, but perhaps they use the others plan as an opportunity to enact their own plan?

But then where does the inhumed Weavers fit into this? They're awaiting one of their descendants return so how aligned were they like? How planned was this all or was it just a hope and nothing more?

[muted lantern]

it iss odd that it seems like bugs have bones in this world. but as others have said the bug theme is followed very loosly

[edgy nebula]

maybe last claws?

silksong pisses me off why did they make bug bones

[lethal burrow]

me when i GET YOU

[edgy barn]

Last Claws are worthy enough to be displayed in the trophy room.

[lethal burrow]

Big hard bone bug

Big hard bone bug, big hard bone bug, big hard bone bug

[edgy nebula]

skarrs wear tarmite bones bro it pisses me off

[lethal burrow]

say it 10 times fast

[edgy nebula]

fuckkkk new tongue twister

[limpid summit]

Okay let’s see
The ones who stayed might not have had a solid plan but they thought there were other ways they could circumvent her rather than just fleeing, this makes sense; different people respond to crises differently

The inhumed weavers likely did so way after GMS was sealed, when the Citadel took control.

“Sisters, spiders, the burden is passed. These simple bugs shall bear it full. Never to cease. Never to silence.
We shall die, and wait, and
pray, that one may come of silken strength enough to weave us free."

[deft tendon]

we ever gonna discuss where skull scuttlers skulls came from?

[muted lantern]

is it possible there are more pharlid variants than the 2 we know, could that be a possible retroactive explanation the devs could give for herrahs appearance?

[limpid summit]

Who knows

[edgy nebula]

other bugs presumably

[deft tendon]

but what bug

[edgy nebula]

a real big and scary one

[edgy barn]

Maybe the different weavenest groups were not coordinated with each other, and thus some like Cindril ended up reaching the conclusion that fleeing was the only solution, while others like Atla stayed and eventually managed to come up with the method to sleep GMS?

[limpid summit]

Maybe - besides theories about birth messing her up, I’ve also seen people say she might have been a Drapemite, larger body and slightly similar horns

[limpid summit]

Yes exactly

[muted lantern]

is there a general consensus from just its a retcon on why herrah looks like that. even tho its most likely a retcon tc has probably a retroactive explanation in mind right?

[muted lantern]

I want to believe that but drapemites don't seem to be arachnids

[limpid summit]

Actually now that I’m thinking about it Herrah’s worshippers (the devouts) have the exact same attack pattern as a giant drapemite

[muted lantern]

do they?

[limpid summit]

Scream and multislash ig it’s nothing super special but it’s there

[muted lantern]

that seems like a too generic of a move to really say

[edgy barn]

Some say she got like that because of bearing Hornet, others say she fattened up for dreamer duty, some say she was uplifted from a drapemite instead of a pharlid.

[muted lantern]

im more curious about her weird mask, if weaver masks are natural why's hers so different

[deft tendon]

[lethal burrow]

They don't seem to be enough of them for them to be independent and without communication, especially considering they all played hard together in that room, and there seems to be all of them gathered.
The only reason I can think that is mistrust among them but I don't know why that would be the case either.

[limpid summit]

Them fleeing an awakened GMS and having no knowledge of her sealing may have also contributed to them being distrusting of PK until the vessel project and their ire towards Hornet’s Wyrm nature after - they’re still rattled and don’t know if another pale being is after them

[muted lantern]

the weavers really did give hornet try to give like the most possible insecurity about her mixed heritage that they could didn't they. aside from herrah who seemed to be a great mom. the weaver really seemed to treat her like her half wyrm blood is something to be ashamed of.

[quaint spear]

Why did Widow become insane? Didn't he used to be a Weaver part of the rebellion?

[limpid summit]

I do have a wild theory about this actually

[lethal burrow]

she does not seem to have been part of the rebellion. She seems to have been the only one that's actually loyal to grandmother silk.

[rugged storm]

dude her face got like shattered, and she wears a bag to hide it, she has two pins stabbed through her back preventing her from making silk

[quaint spear]

Well but...where's her mask?

[lethal burrow]

Removed by force

[rugged storm]

the other weavers destroyed it

[quaint spear]

Wtf

[limpid summit]

The Seal of Binding in Weaver’s Den was an attempt by Weavers to replicate the PK seal on THK so they could modify it to weave again in Pharloom and seal GMS - works if we guess that they didn’t know GMS was sealed when they left

[muted lantern]

it seems the more common theory now is she was punished by the weavers for staying loyal to silk, and/or becoming haunted and falling under hor control. she lost a lot of her sense of self because her mask was ripped off, presumably as punishement by the weavers? which seems to be part of a weavers body, and if silk punished her she would have taken the silk not bound it in her shell, since its the silk gms wants.

[lethal burrow]

Yeah, she was mutilated

[deft tendon]

no its not a bag its weaverfluff

[quaint spear]

Gurl the Weavers are insane as hell

[wild zinc]

People don’t talk enough about how widow was completely naked

[quaint spear]

GMS level of brutality

[lethal burrow]

it's also possible that part of the reason she was mutilated in such a way was because otherwise she could've awakened grandmothers using her weaverness or whatever

[lethal burrow]

cope

[muted lantern]

they seem to be fairly complicit in the actions of the citadel too.

[lethal burrow]

yeah, they seem to suck really bad

[deft tendon]

weaverfluff

[wild zinc]

Didn’t the weavers make the citadel

[quaint spear]

Yeah, the Citadel became corrupted later they all fled or left tho

[muted lantern]

the devs have stated before that the bugs don't really have a concept of clothes iirc. they probably don't have the same feelings about nudity as we do, heck hornet is running around without pants the whole game

[lethal burrow]

yes

[deft tendon]

the clothes are more for utility, no?

[quaint spear]

There were lots of people that just wanted power and could do anything. Eventually they lost their purpose which was to make symphonies or melodies to keep GMS asleep

[edgy barn]

Every Weavenest seems to have been focused on something different: Atla developed runes and traps, Cindril focused on speed and they are the ones that ended up fleeing. Murglin developed topls for fighting, Absolom studied the void and Karn did...something.

I think this is a case of the weavers not agreeing on where the solution to their problem lied and splitting off in different directions.

[muted lantern]

it seems to be for protection/warmth and to store things. not to hide their body typically

[deft tendon]

yeah or to look cool, like pale king or any soul sanctum bug

[rugged storm]

ok guys, if any two characters that aren't higher beings fought, what would look the coolest

[lethal burrow]

maybe so....

[limpid summit]

Pure Vessel versus Karmelita

[quaint spear]

Nyleth vs Karmellita

[deft tendon]

menderbug and flick

[muted lantern]

seth vs phantom?

[limpid summit]

Oh wait Seth question

[quaint spear]

Wait Nyleth might be a higher being

[muted lantern]

honestly higher being isnt really given a strict enough definition to know for sure

[lethal burrow]

I don't think there's a single thing in the entirety of silk song besides the void itself that pure vessel couldn't beat

[limpid summit]

So true

[silver spire]

fr

[quaint spear]

Exactly, therefore queen could be one

[quaint spear]

GMS be like

[limpid summit]

Seth and Shakra share the golden aura groundpound - is he an ancient member of Shakra’s tribe? This would make him truly extremely old if we assume the tribe evolved from using shield discs to rings, since Hu uses rings and he’s already really old.

[muted lantern]

clearly you've never met john delicate flower, who wears armor of 1000 delicate flowers. beloved silksong npc

[lethal burrow]

The bugs on the surface could be ones. They're above all others aren't they?

[quaint spear]

Nah😭🙏

[lethal burrow]

I'm imagining that one X-Men comic where the guy strapped a bunch of babies to himself

So they couldn't do anything to him

[rugged storm]

ok, I'll just give a list of forbidden characters: hornet, knight, pk, unn, gms, shade lord, nkg, and the white lady ig. The vessels are okay, just not the knight

[wild zinc]

How old is Seth anyways? He must’ve been around when nyleth was alive

[silver spire]

GMS is a @!#%ing fraud

[quaint spear]

I mean if you were asleep for a long ass time you'd be weak as hell too

[limpid summit]

At least as old as the early citadel since people brought offerings to the shrine

[quaint spear]

Prime GMS was op

[limpid summit]

And he’s been guarding it for forever

[silver spire]

source: i made it up

[sinful nimbus]

sealed by her own creations btw

[quaint spear]

Urm there's nothing going against it as well

[silver spire]

ya made the claim, substantiate it now

[sinful nimbus]

She's a higher being ofc she'd be powerful

[silk dirge]

my question is why didnt weavers try to kill gms

[silver spire]

TRUE, she got trapped by her own creations lol

[quaint spear]

Nah I'm in a neutral state, going further would go against that😘

[rugged storm]

if you make a claim you need to prove it, you can't say there's no evidence to go against it, so it's true

[silk dirge]

they can seal her up but not kill her?

[lapis creek]

because as we all know an omnipotent god would be incapable of creating anything that could destroy herself

[silver spire]

probably cuz they werent sure how it would affect them

[sinful nimbus]

They sealed her with a silk trap dawg

A GOD OF SILK capable of magically sensing silk got beaten by a silk snare

[lapis creek]

i know im just making a joke about the paradox

it is quite sad what happened to her

[quaint spear]

Higher Beings seem like they're super hard to kill or they don't know what even would happen if she did die. I guess if they found a way to throw her to the void and cut all her strings

[lapis creek]

if only they had a second force that could have been entirely responsible for subduing her

[silk dirge]

i think its also worth noting weavers wouldnt be able to bind gms to gain her crest like hornet did

[sinful nimbus]

Ew

Void is somehow lamer

[lapis creek]

i meant song

[edgy barn]

Why do you think Hornet did not just kill gms?

[silk dirge]

it is worth noting hornet doesnt kill gms she just weakens her to the point she can bind her

[sinful nimbus]

Silk and song are the same thing in this context

[lapis creek]

it's in the name

[silk dirge]

hornet is stronger than weavers i think

[quaint spear]

Queen clearly had enough power to subdue Verdania, I guess that's something??

[sinful nimbus]

Any level 10 mage could burn Verdania to the ground 🥱

[silk dirge]

anyways i wonder if weavers had any sort of hierarchy within their ranks

like were they just a council

or was there like a weaver president

[quaint spear]

Yeah, although idk if Verdania had an army, they clearly had people there just not an army

[limpid summit]

What’s the dialogue that says bugs in Pharloom naturally have hints of silk in them due to Whiteward

[silk dirge]

caretaker

[lapis creek]

it's from caretaker

[rugged storm]

except of course the suicide cultists

[lapis creek]

how has wisp thicket not completely burned

[quaint spear]

Imagine if all of this is happening in a random ass lawn

[limpid summit]

Bet

[silk dirge]

tardigrade moment

[quaint spear]

It's literally just, a silk worm is a God and a half wyrm(whatever that is) half spider is literally taking down a silkworm

[rugged storm]

very interesting lawn

[silk dirge]

one of my friends always makes a point out of how tardigrades are immune to everything except the thing that actually could kill them

[deft tendon]

whos a better fixer menderbug or flick

[silk dirge]

which is being stepped on

[deft tendon]

pretty sure all characyers are like, confirmed to be human sized

[silk dirge]

like who tf cares how strong weavers are theyre dead when i step on them

[quaint spear]

Crazy how a silkworm/giant ass spider is a God and these mites, beetles are just below it because the silkworm can make silk

[rugged storm]

the needle, scissors, and nails are about the same size as our tools

[quaint spear]

I know, just fun to think about

[muted lantern]

this server needs a chat where i can post cat pictures. i have too many but they arent lore relevant

[deft tendon]

giant scissors sounds scary

[quaint spear]

But anyway why are the Weavers dumb

[rugged storm]

no brain, that large head is empty, shown by widow

[muted lantern]

big hollow head

[silk dirge]

i find it silly how many scissor enemies there are in silksong

[muted lantern]

very tiny real head inside

[silk dirge]

my favorites are the greymoor ones

[quaint spear]

Why didn't they just use their ability to make silk, make expensive silk clothes + market and then everyone wants it so it unites everyone to go against GMS

[edgy barn]

Have you done it yet, bellringer? Wriggled deep? Discovered the depths of obsession that brought this place so low?
Hornet: If you speak of this Citadel and its Silk, Caretaker, then yes, I now know the start of it.
Hornet: In the ward down below, I saw it clear, the hollowed husks, and the many torturous implements... machines to instill a bug with thread, that would see their life extended.
Aye! That's it, in part! But there's more scale to it than all that. Just think of'em greedily shoving the Silk into their shells, the madness that overcame them, eternal life for mortal bugs! Then think on how long it's all gone on...
Hornet: ...The children born of them, and all the pilgrims after... The Silk has seeded deep into this kingdom's shells, generations deep...
Hornet: No wonder Pharloom's bugs proved such easy prey for that haunted thread. It had only to seek for itself to reach them.
Ho ho! Now you're seein' it, bellringer! These poor pilgrims, all born bound to the cruel system of our world, now stricken in its new cursed web.
You at least are free from it. And free to shake it all up... if'n that's your choosing.

[silk dirge]

i absolutely do not like morticians for the sole reason whiteward freaks me the fuck out

people were theorizing before silksong released that was a furnace area and its like yeah now we know it is

[edgy barn]

I'm surprised there aren't more.

[limpid summit]

Ty

[silk dirge]

just not for what you think

[stark zinc]

my first time in whiteward i just kinda stood there for a minute at the top of the elevator like "aw goddamn" and then i went down and there was the guy behind the curtain and i was like "awwww goddamnnnnnnnnnn"

[muted lantern]

step 1: sell silk garments made of the silk gms controls. step 2: rebel against gms with the people you sold the garments. Step 3: she kills everyone using the thread wrapped around them. Step 4: profit?

[silk dirge]

how innocent we were thinking whiteward was a bell forging area

[muted lantern]

they forged bells in whiteward?

[silk dirge]

no

[quaint spear]

Infuse the silk with void, she's cooked too and run away with all the safe silk and profit in Hollownest

[silk dirge]

people thought before silksong released the area with morticians was a bell forging area

[muted lantern]

oh wait, sorry i completely misread the message.

[silk dirge]

it was shown in the reveal trailer

[rugged storm]

wait hold up, did the roachservers just find a random greymoor scissor guy, beat him up and split his scissor in half?😭

[silk dirge]

possibly

[muted lantern]

then ate him presumably

[rugged storm]

of course

[quaint spear]

Can we talk about GMS' favoritism

She chose Lace but not Phantom of the Opera😔

[silk dirge]

the first time i saw silk snippers clip through the floor i was like what the fuck

[edgy barn]

It is interesting to me that Silk can survive the temperatures required to cremate a bug. Makes you wonder how hot wisp fire has to be since it is actually capable of burning silk.

[silk dirge]

theyre one of two enemies i think that does that

[rugged storm]

better than those fat deep docks enemies

[quaint spear]

Which one

[silk dirge]

maybe bc the wisp fire burns soul somehow

[rugged storm]

presumably as hot as lava, two hearts

[silk dirge]

important to note wispfire lantern is a diegetic item the fact it burns silk to make a flame is an in universe thing and not just a gameplay mechanic

[quaint spear]

OMG NO

[limpid summit]

Hollow Knight: Silksong

[lapis creek]

is it necessarily true that the silk is being combusted

and not being consumed to cast a spell

[silk dirge]

those guys arent bad considering they are surrounded by the nuke throwers

[muted lantern]

phantom seems to be a failed prototype that wasnt what she wanted, maybe because they took on their own identity and weren't dependant on her like she wanted, hence making her next one an eternal child so they would always be desperate for her affection.

[silk dirge]

theyre fine relative to those

[lapis creek]

silk is not flammable in this universe lace survives falling in lava

[quaint spear]

She still cares for Lace a ton though

[silk dirge]

she takes damage from that

[stark zinc]

part of taking on their own identity was becoming incredibly obsessed with the bug version of phantom of the opera, and now they are kind of like erik

[lapis creek]

well yeah but she doesnt explode

[silk dirge]

but anyways wisp thicket fire is definitely special

[quaint spear]

Guys why is Bilewater so nasty

[silk dirge]

i dont think its regular old fire

[quaint spear]

Did Groal vomit so much and made all that trash or nah

[silk dirge]

exhaust organ

[quaint spear]

???

[silk dirge]

the citadels waste was all pumped out through it to bilewater

[quaint spear]

WTH

[solar oriole]

Hello, is there a repository where people are putting theories?

[stark zinc]

it used to be cleaner there's like one clean spot in there iirc

[rugged storm]

three

[quaint spear]

Where

[rugged storm]

well one is in putrified ducts, but same thing, pale lake, shakra's master, right of weavenest murglin

[stark zinc]

i completely blanked on the other two because i don't like going to bilewater and promptly forgot everything outside of a few spots

[muted lantern]

never said she didn't. she loves lace, but imo its more of a love for what she is and represents, a daughter and her legacy. rather than a love for the individual, its a possesive kinda love that makes her not a very good parent. though thats just my personal take and we don't have enough to go on in the specifics, all we know is she loved her daughter but also neglected her due to her obsession with hornet

[rugged storm]

all three in one image

[stark zinc]

aaaall at the far edges

[silk dirge]

i wonder if these locations have something special that kept them clean

[quaint spear]

How is GMS obsessed with Hornet

[rugged storm]

far from the citadel?

[quaint spear]

Wait wasn't it Lace that freed us

[silk dirge]

also where did muckmaggots originate from

[rugged storm]

plus they are waterfalls that are sourcewater

[silk dirge]

who started breeding muckmaggots

bc from my understanding they were bred by the guys in sinners road and then they spread super fast

[quaint spear]

Probrably someone took them from Sands of Karak and they got to Bilewater and started adapting

[rugged storm]

guys I finally figured out what garama means

[silk dirge]

i dont think they are remotely the same

the guys in karak are different

[rugged storm]

Start manually breathing

[quaint spear]

?

[silk dirge]

yes

[quaint spear]

Wow

[silk dirge]

honestly im kinda curious if that specific silkfly had a special identity

[quaint spear]

Oh. What if it's one of the Conductors?

Remnio was it?

[silk dirge]

romino

[quaint spear]

We never see the guy

[muted lantern]

she sends her servants across the world to kidnap her and drag her there to gain her special silk and power, lace clearly whether its true or not feels that hornets so important to gms that shes going to replace her like she replaced phantom ("it's you that she wants isnt it?") again whether or not thats actually how gms sees it. lace has clearly been neglected enough by gms since the hunt for hornet began that shes begun to feel this way. hence calling it an obsession because shes so focused on it her daughter feels neglected

[silk dirge]

yeah i really hope we learn more info on romino in a dlc

he seems like a guy who knew what was up

[muted lantern]

theres a fairly solid theory that hes the old penitent based on his needolin dialogue and his song sounding similar (arguably) to the conductors melody.

[quaint spear]

Yeah, his quote stated that they should start to praise GMS because they're starting to be cooked essentially

I mean, this wouldn't have happened if the Citadel didn't experiment with everyone

Thinking about it, how did Sherma get to the Citadel?

The Judge basically kills everyone that gets there and Phantom wouldn't allow it too

[muted lantern]

the judges let him by, he talks about how they seem nice so it didn't seem like they attacked him, presumably hes considered free of sin and truly worthy.

[quaint spear]

WHAT

[muted lantern]

and we kill last judge and open the door

[edgy barn]

The judges let sherma through.

[limpid summit]

Dumb luck maybe GMS wasn’t manipulating the Judge directly and she just did what she did

[deft tendon]

cause hes the bestest boy

[robust wagon]

Sherma is just so pure that she let him pass (or bc Hornet already killed her)

[stark zinc]

hornet's got a weapon (sinful)
sherma is unarmed and has an instrument (and is also genuinely pure of heart)

[muted lantern]

i mean yeah hes an innocent boy, hes a paragon of what is considered holy in the citadel, going through purely on faith alone unarmed and using prayer and song to progress, offering comforts to others instead of taking them (offering the bench to hornet despite being exhausted)

[silk dirge]

how does sherma get in after that tho

[muted lantern]

sadly though that faith if he got to the citadel before its fall would have been probably abused

[silk dirge]

clearly sherma didnt go through underworks

the mythical npc only 3d space

[limpid summit]

Choral Chamber shortcut

He bounced all the way up the platforms

[sonic dawn]

who is inside this bell

[silk dirge]

how did his little ass get up there

[muted lantern]

he attached springs to his shoes

[silk dirge]

father of the flame

[muted lantern]

like a cartoon character

[sonic dawn]

what is the lore of those guys btw

are they just some crazy cult that likes fire or what

[muted lantern]

seems to be some kind of pagan cult that worships fire

is pagan the right word?

[edgy barn]

esentially yeah.

[silk dirge]

they burn silk with fire

[quaint spear]

Crazy

[deft tendon]

hence why they arent haunted

[sonic dawn]

but why

[quaint spear]

Well now he's become the Caretaker and leads others with his own faith now that he knows the truth!

I wonder if we didn't do that one quest, would he still be alive in Act 3 or nah

[muted lantern]

it seems like the most faithful get their souls turned into silk flies in the whiteward and forced into a mindless cogwork when they start to grow old or lose strength. forced to serve forever

[silk dirge]

to avoid the haunting

basically a general hate for the citadel

[muted lantern]

if they really are pagans maybe its a rebellion against the citadels religion

[silk dirge]

i believe them to be former moorbugs

[quaint spear]

The under works literally shows the effect of capitalism + dictator effects

[deft tendon]

lumaflies you mean?

[silk dirge]

who refused to be put to work catching fallen silk

[stark zinc]

if i remember right dying is a sin as well
if you die and "refuse to revive" you have sinned super hard
serving forever taken to its maximum

[muted lantern]

no the silkflies, like the ones in the cogworks that are used to power machines. and the ones that lace seems to control in her first meeting. also the flies that lead you through the mist

[deft tendon]

yeah lumaflies

[quaint spear]

Also the ones that make up the 4th Chorus

[muted lantern]

lumaflies are a different thing, they are just a naturally occuring glowing bug in hallownest, not manmade like the ones in pharloom

[edgy barn]

no they are different things. If you look closely you will see they look different

[lime remnant]

@modest steeple yo

[austere aurora]

similar purpose, different creature, different lore

[quaint spear]

Ironic that the Citadel low-key hated every leader but reluctantly had to stay chill with Nyleth because she was just chill and allowing pilgrins to pass through her land

[muted lantern]

yeah the social commentary is a lot more overt in silksong

[modest steeple]

So to be clear

You think because the shade lord is shown it MUST be the Embrace the Void ending and because it doesn't happen while flower is there it MUST be the flower version?

[muted lantern]

wuh oh this debate again

[quaint spear]

We don't know if the Everbloom = White Flower

[lime remnant]

Mhm yes
It doesnt matter which version it is i just think dream no more shouldn't be the one

[modest steeple]

Why tho?

[muted lantern]

its intentionally designed to be vague and unclear which ending between etv and dnm are canon. where elements that would explicitly confirm one or another are intentionally left out, like the hollow knights shade being absent.

[lime remnant]

Cuz no shade lord appeared

Alose the hollow knight dies

[quaint spear]

The sealed siblings ending is clearly not the one lmao

[lime remnant]

I like the version where he lives

[muted lantern]

never said it was lol, i said its left vague between etv and dnm

not all endings of the game

[quaint spear]

Oh yeah true

[modest steeple]

The only one of the 3 i find unlikely is the embrace the void no flower

Cuz i feel like hornet would've brought that up at some point that a pure and unfocused void entity escaped the abyss

[muted lantern]

its so vague what happens after that it fully could have just exploded junk pit then went back to the abyss

[quaint spear]

The White Lady seems to be speaking in the present tense which means Hollow Nest is safe. If that is true

[modest steeple]

Yeah the 3 possible ones are:

Dream No More
Embrace The Void
Embrace The Void + flower

And any of these must have Mr mushroom

[lime remnant]

Ts so sad why does devs keep us hanging like this

[modest steeple]

Thats fair

[lime remnant]

Like

I just wanna know what happened

[modest steeple]

You decide

[muted lantern]

the which ending is canon debate is gonna be one of those forever debates like "is lace a child"

[modest steeple]

It's magic bug liquid

The rules are undefined so just make up ur own

[austere aurora]

dream no more is probably the canon ending since flower ending implies the void is gone for good and the fact hornet never mentions the mess that took place after embrace the void is very suspicious

[lime remnant]

I believe in embrace the void with flower

[toxic quest]

i'm pretty sure it's like super explicit that whichever of the possible HK endings is canon is up to interpretation

[modest steeple]

Which is which?

[lethal burrow]

we don't know if pale king = corpse on the throne in White Palace

[edgy barn]

"Lace is a child" shouldn't be a debate. The game tells you she is one several times.

[quaint spear]

Urm actually the right is a mimic

[muted lantern]

the devs said that in the past, however as of now theres some endings that are completly impossible to be canon given the content of silksong. like sister of the void cant be possible because hornet would be trapped in the black egg

[modest steeple]

I think flower implies that void is gone for good, not all void

But regardless I personally believe it's Dream No More yeah. Cuz wasn't silksong planned before the godhome DLC came out?

[quaint spear]

That's assuming Silksong already had this ending in mind back then

[modest steeple]

Sealed siblings*

Also yeah for the game to exist as a sequel the bad ending kinda couldn't happen yeah

[lethal burrow]

we don't see the hollow Knight's shade, but we do see the shade Lord.

That leads me to believe embrace the void.

Also, silk song was planned before godhome sure, but it was also developed for over half a decade after that

[vestal swan]

Yeah

[lime remnant]

Its debatable cuz idk if the flower deflcets the void or just teleports it away ot seals it inside

[modest steeple]

We don't see any shades

We see all the siblings tho

[lethal burrow]

does he know?

[modest steeple]

Thats part of the mystery

[edgy nebula]

i cant believe mossbag prophesized about groal's existence

[modest steeple]

?

[edgy barn]

What do you think the siblings are

[vestal swan]

If you randomly throw shit at the wall some of it's going to stick

[quaint spear]

Do you think Nyleth is a Higher Building?

[vestal swan]

No she's pretty deep underground

I do think she's a higher being though

[toxic quest]

that's why i said whichever of the "possible endings"

[modest steeple]

It can't be a shade

It's not a "stain"

[lethal burrow]

I will say that not a single soul had any doubt it completely eliminating the void before a silksong came out, which leads me to believe that people are only saying otherwise because of... less than standalone reasons

[quaint spear]

Lmao missclick😭🙏

[toxic quest]

I think nyleth is comparable to unn

[modest steeple]

Regardless of the ending they aren't a stain anymore

[quaint spear]

Oh? I wish so, she's my favorite but Shellwood is way smaller than Green Path

[lime remnant]

Can u elaborate please

[edgy nebula]

he said he deduced that a stinky redditor must live in the bilewater boss room when looking at it, you cant make this up

[quaint spear]

If you're comparing Unn, that is.

[vestal swan]

I mean it's not the size of the accomplishment (usually) it's the exclusiveness of the weird abilities.
She's kind of the progenitor of the areas plants, probably genetically, she controls all of it, and she can even control non plants to some extent

[modest steeple]

I never thought it completely eliminated it

I always thought it teleported it

[lethal burrow]

Practically everybody was in agreement and certain of what the flower was doing in that ending until silk song in which some people started to say it wasn't actually destroying the void. It was just doing something else instead, this leads me to believe that the conclusion these people are drawing are not because of the scene, and what is shown in itself, but instead because of ulterior motives, such as wanting the ending to still be compatible with the game (on account of coming up with a way for the shade lord to still exist)

[modest steeple]

I kinda assumed it teleported the seeker into the abyss

[quaint spear]

But Higher Beings are kinda hard to kill, gurl just...died out out of being old or something

[muted lantern]

I agree, but due to people getting attached to hornet x lace ship years ago before the games was released with the info we have now. peeps seemreally struggle to accept the text and try to find ways around it (tho i wouldn't say that its due to malicious reasons. its more that its pretty hard for people who fell in love with the ship ant to accept that its now fairly uncomfortable in retrospect.)

[vestal swan]

I didn't decide on anything, I was equally saying time travel teleportation destruction, maybe it just turned them invisible....

[vestal swan]

Being hard to kill is not a requirement

[lethal burrow]

I'm just speaking about public sentiment. I'm not saying literally every single person thought a single thing. Nobody's a hive mind.

[vestal swan]

Not all of them have combat ability

[quaint spear]

Ironically still somewhat around as the heart of Shellwood before Hornet took it but otherwise, dead.

[vestal swan]

We are the 7th hive mind though

[edgy barn]

Pretty sure there were people arguing about what the delicate flower had actually done long before Silksong.

[limpid summit]

I thought the flower ending led to Godseeker Mode as long as TC made it canon for some reason

[lethal burrow]

I made my card. I've thrown my chips on the table and I'm not willing to bet anymore.

If they use mental gymnastics to skirt around this, I don't think anything is able to change their mind

[limpid summit]

And this always made sense why would Shade Lord with no dream nail go back into Godseeker’s dream

[deft tendon]

yeah embrace the void is fully canon

[modest steeple]

I thought the agreement was:

It's magic bug liquid with a magic bug flower

The explanation is whatever the devs feel like cuz there's like 4 equally possible outcomes

[limpid summit]

No Godseeker Mode

TC said it takes place after P5

[lethal burrow]

If it was there, I did not see it nor hear it, nor did it come into my knowledge that anyone had detected any presence of it

[limpid summit]

But how we don’t know

[vestal swan]

I just ignored godseeker mode but really it was just like one of the options comparable to an ending

Basically just an extension of an ending

[quaint spear]

Lace is a child mentally, physically she's lived a long time prob lmao

[austere aurora]

theres a whole hierarchy of higher beings, i like to split them into three levels, lvl one has like nyleth and unn, lvl two has the white lady and lvl three has the radiance and nightmare heart

[lethal burrow]

physically, she resembles a child according to the characters within the world.

The amount of years she has been alive is a lot, but that does not mean physically Her form reflects those years.

[gentle aspen]

you see the problem with this is the ranking is arbitrary

[limpid summit]

NMH is clapped

[vestal swan]

It's a yes or no checkbox do they qualify as a higher being or not

[quaint spear]

Yeah sure, just saying that if you're definition of a child is someone that's young it doesn't match

[gentle aspen]

Unn and Nyleth don’t have similar levels of power, the NMH doesn’t do much of anything to be comparable to the Radiance, yada yada

[limpid summit]

But yes because all HBs have to do is exist above all others it’s not a linear scaling sort of thing

Like MM is likely a HB because he exists way above anyone else but that doesn’t mean he’s stronger or weaker than another HB

[gentle aspen]

powerscaling is only okay when it’s to slander the higher beings I don’t like

[muted lantern]

you should add the fact that hornet doesnt give people insulting nicknames like many seem to imply, shes repeatedly characterized in silksong to just give people descriptive titles like little one, tall one, gilded one, sir, madam, child. people say child is just and insult, but hornet refers to her as child in the exact same way she refers to characters who are explicitly children such as nuu, and runt.

[limpid summit]

GMS is the weakest though

[quaint spear]

Holy biased

[quaint spear]

What is this misinfo😭

[gentle aspen]

alright man

[modest steeple]

Guys I just had a chiller thought that could change whether it really could be any of the 3 endings

[vestal swan]

GMS isn't even the weakest combat wise

[lethal burrow]

Yes, but that should never be your definition of a child

lace looks like a child.
acts like a child.
sounds like a child.
is called a child.
and is identified as a child by the game itself

a solid number of years she has been alive is irrelevant information given above, and to disagree would be to say that number of years alive is the only determining factor in if somebody is a child and all details about a characters maturity, personality, physical appearance, perception by themself or other characters are all irrelevant when determining if they are a child.

[quaint spear]

Nyleth is a queen I don't wanna hear any slander to her

[muted lantern]

mods wont allow funny gifs.

[modest steeple]

1. Do we see THK shade in the skong ending?
2. Would we even be able to tell if it was there or not?

[gentle aspen]

it’s not allowed here

[gentle aspen]

No
Yes

[modest steeple]

So then it can't be dream no more

Because we would see that shade there if so

[quaint spear]

This text wall is useless due to subjectivity, most people think a defining feature of a child is their innocence, naive nature and being young.

[modest steeple]

In Embrace The Void we don't see him with the other siblings

We do in Dream No More

[vestal swan]

Silksong follows embrace the void, this doesn't invalidate the other endings because there's still three endings for silksong plus two steel soul universes, it's just like nine different timelines

[gentle aspen]

they decided to go back on all endings are canon but only to the point of deconfirming the first two

[lethal burrow]

If team Cherry wanted it to be there, they could've made it there. If they wanted to make it visible, they could've

[quaint spear]

Like yeah, Lace is a child in all aspects except age. You could just agree with that. It's probrably Hornet's view too

[gentle aspen]

Can’t make sweeping assumptions nowadays

[modest steeple]

But then why can't we see THK shade?

[vestal swan]

Because it's not there

[quaint spear]

He's gone frfr

[limpid summit]

I think EtV is canon just because of the little things, meta and canon, but TC undeniably made it inconclusive at a glance

[gentle aspen]

it would confirm either etv or dnm

[lethal burrow]

there are people in this world who will argue about 1000 year-old elf girls with the body of a 12-year-old.

Not all people can be reasonable

[austere aurora]

lace's story is how she was never allowed to grow up, and in the true ending, she can finally begin to do so, so basically think of it as ts was on pause for the past kajillion years and now the clock started ticking again after the game ends

[gentle aspen]

as they decided to make it inconclusive

[limpid summit]

So one can’t say for sure what’s canon

[deft tendon]

yall know how TC said every ending is canon? silksong existing kinda disproves it lmao

[gentle aspen]

because writing hard apparently

[vestal swan]

Yeah but she's still a kid right now

[gentle aspen]

anyways

[modest steeple]

Fair

[muted lantern]

the worst arguement i've heard is people saying that lace is just as tall as hornet, which considering the amount of species in the game of varying heights is ridiculous to claim as a sign of adulthood. the whole game makes it clear she looks like a kid. and also the ever famous 1000 year old dragon argument. also people try to disregard the snail shaman as an unreliable source of information, when the only line iirc that states lace is older than most in the citadel which is repeatedly used as an argument is from snail shaman in the same breath that he says she looks and acts like a child

[vestal swan]

The appearance of the big form confirms embrace the void

[gentle aspen]

ok

[limpid summit]

You’re right
Technically it’s not that HK and SS are noncanon it’s that they said that they would account for all endings in future HK content and like eh

[quaint spear]

Eh, the general consensus is that being young relates to being a child for most people as the defining feature. Hornet prob agrees with you anyway honestly

[deft tendon]

shade lord canon

[vestal swan]

Reply to anybody that says that with "shakra"

[deft tendon]

how they gonna account for sealed siblings

[limpid summit]

Honestly that was stupid I dont think Sealed Siblings and EtV should have ever led into the same game and I think this was a good thing to switch up on

[gentle aspen]

they already had an out that they didn’t use

[vestal swan]

If they wanted it to follow an ending where the radiance is surviving inside of TK there would be an orange glow in the eyes

[gentle aspen]

because writing hard

[limpid summit]

Mfs said seal breaking bugs

[gentle aspen]

apple shut up

[vestal swan]

Its still valid

[limpid summit]

It’s not

[edgy barn]

Writing is in fact hard.

[vestal swan]

The only difference would be literally orange eyes

[muted lantern]

shakra is so funny to me, she straight ignores hornet correcting her about her age, like does shakra assume literally every single npc in the game that isnt roughly as tall as her is a child

[vestal swan]

It's not valid to the timeline where silksong exists but it's valid, because we still have branching endings

[limpid summit]

The Hollow Knight ending cannot lead into SS cause void heart isn’t there at all

Oh thats what you mean

[stone herald]

I think they meant that all endings are possible and a realistic way for things to go

[vestal swan]

I think that's kind of funny too because her mom is like half her height

[quaint spear]

Isn't Hornet also...literally sealed too😭 how can queen go outside.

[muted lantern]

shakra is completly unphased even tho she probably thinks the millions of dead pilgrims she encounters are all children.

[kindred lodge]

Considering that the flower in ss can be delicate flower, is there a chance the knight cannonicaly gave white lady delicate flower,
Even tho she refuses it in hk?

[stone herald]

What's funny is that the knight never gets called a child iirc

[quaint spear]

They're the same

[muted lantern]

tho i suppose to be fair the pilgrims do generally seem pretty young aside from the elder pilgrims. my assumption is they set out on the pilgrimage as soon as they reach adulthood.

[muted lantern]

i think they might be confused for one at one point or another, but i havent read that games text nearly as recently

[kindred lodge]

So the knight gave white lady delicate flowrr?

[vestal swan]

The great knight that brought the flower is the one that gave it to her, which would be why she refused it from TK she already had one

[muted lantern]

it was probably a gift from zemer, as the memory where she has it is back before the knight returned to hallownest.

[stone herald]

Possible though I don't recall
But the knight is literally still the same body they were born in, the knight might not be a child in mind but they're still the possessed corpse of a child

Hornets straight up grown though

[gentle aspen]

probably like
wl just got it from zemer

[stone herald]

Imagine shakra calling the pale king a child

[gentle aspen]

god that shit makes no FUCKING sense to me man

[muted lantern]

she would do that

[gentle aspen]

“First light only defense against the dark” bull FUCKING shit

[vestal swan]

The difference is TK was not magically enchanted to be a child forever so anybody using that comparison needs to shuttit

[austere aurora]

child wielding infanticide

[gentle aspen]

you would not be saying anything like that in the first goddamn game

[stone herald]

Didn't even mention lace

[gentle aspen]

you went “oh huh. That’s neat. I wouldn’t keep it close if I were you”

[vestal swan]

I just added it to the list of bullshit white lady doesn't know about but continues to ramble about

[muted lantern]

also theres no evidence that ghost has the mind of a child, we don't really get any context as to their mental state

[quaint spear]

Basically, Lace is a child mentally, physically but not in age.

[vestal swan]

Ghost has the mind of a void

[stone herald]

The white lady seems to be using the knight here to an extent, trying to get it to reach a solution

[austere aurora]

ghost has the mindn't

[muted lantern]

ghost has the mind of a fucking menace

[quaint spear]

So if your definition includes a child being young then i guess she isn't one but just acts like one

[gentle aspen]

Not some nonsense warding against the darkness that you’ve known about all along that is the first light go fuck yourself red memory

[vestal swan]

The age does not matter, she's permanently child until maybe she's allowed to age

[muted lantern]

so much property damage

[stone herald]

Itakes sense that the white lady would be a lot more cagey with the knight than hornet

[gentle aspen]

bro she didn’t do shit

[stone herald]

Yeah she still seems very childish by the end but she probably grows up once all is said and done

[gentle aspen]

sorry

[muted lantern]

i don't even know if she would be able to age after the game unless theres some kind of mask lore shenanigans

[vestal swan]

She might still just stay a child while she turns gray and dies

[quaint spear]

She laughs because she's amused and surprised that all of this happened

[vestal swan]

Because apparently curses exist!!!

I wonder if the curse died with GMS

[stone herald]

Curse?

[vestal swan]

I hate the fact that we have exactly one curse existing and no way to track it

[quaint spear]

GMS death was so sad honestly

[stone herald]

I didn't pick up on that during my playthrough can you elaborate

[vestal swan]

The weavers are cursed

[muted lantern]

girl kinda had it coming tbf

[vestal swan]

She doesn't want them having kids so it's nearly impossible

[stone herald]

Ah

[gentle aspen]

It’s very difficult for weavers to have kids

[stone herald]

Oh she neutered the weavers

[vestal swan]

With magic

[quaint spear]

Not even Hornet knew that device would unleash the void

[vestal swan]

Except not literally neutered because it's a difficulty not an impossibility

[timber pond]

I mean Silk is magic

[quaint spear]

It mainly sucks because GMS is connected to anything

[timber pond]

Like in every sense

[stone herald]

She tried to neuter them at keast

[vestal swan]

I mean yeah a lot of the stuff in the game is magic, I just meant to say she didn't mutilate them

[timber pond]

BOth she herself and the thing she makes

[gentle aspen]

The trap would’ve worked if lace didn’t fuck it up

[muted lantern]

also, im a little confursed about one line, when hornet talks about the weavers having a hard time having children, she says that she shares the same curse, is this to imply that she has tried to have kids before to know that, or does she just assume its the case despite her wyrm blood. or did her doctor tell her

[vestal swan]

Except widow

[vestal swan]

It implies she failed to have kids

[timber pond]

Its not exactly mutliation, you could say she geneticaly modified them with the silk itself.

[vestal swan]

And that at least one of her former lovers was male

[quaint spear]

Dawg Hornet was gonna die wdym also how would It have worked

[austere aurora]

never buying a trap from the snail shaman accidentally brought a kingdom to its downfall

[gentle aspen]

she’s had mates before
She probably tried

[muted lantern]

bisexual icon

/silly

[gentle aspen]

Hornet living and the trap working are two different things

[timber pond]

Also you could say the pale king did something similar with his "beacon". you could call it a "blessing"

[silk dirge]

fun fact pin pilgrim is not cut content he just got moved he tried to fight widow and died

[gentle aspen]

The only reason the void infection shit happens is because gms is trying to save lace

[vestal swan]

Hornet dying might have empowered GMS enough to escape though TBH

[muted lantern]

NOOOOO MY BABY

[quaint spear]

It would have worked but Pharloom still cooked

[lapis creek]

this could be true considering she had to be weakened for the trap to work in the first place

[quaint spear]

GMS is connected to everything dawg, the void corrupts her silk, it catches everything

[gentle aspen]

Void normally wouldn’t do that

[quaint spear]

Then why did it

[vestal swan]

Imagine if every time you died to lost lace you got the bad ending cutscene playing, the one that was cut

[gentle aspen]

she’s actively fighting to be a good mom and shit or whatever

[gentle aspen]

She’s trying to save lace

[quaint spear]

Wait so if GMS just didn't use silk

[vestal swan]

There is no GMS not using silk

[timber pond]

Another Hollow knight to silksong mirror, The pale being in hollow knight Gives a blessing upon his subjects while the monarch in silksong curses her subjects.

[gentle aspen]

so she keeps the haunting up and the giant silk cocoon up

[vestal swan]

That's like her entire thing she's practically made of it

[gentle aspen]

I disagree

[vestal swan]

On what grounds

[gentle aspen]

maybe if that one ending wasn’t cut

[silk dirge]

im still so curious what was up with that bc it had to do with tuning forks that were removed or smth like that

[stone herald]

Probably would have yeah

[timber pond]

She IS the emobdiment of it reallyy.

[quaint spear]

Oh so even if Lace wasn't in danger the void would still do that

[silk dirge]

the fact the cutscene is in the game files tells me it was a later removal

[timber pond]

Like Her name without a title is Silk

[stone herald]

Like how the radiance is made of essence and the shade lord is made of void

[quaint spear]

She created it, the first silkworm/moth/spider ahh

[vestal swan]

The void was going to consume them either way, having lace as a wearable puppet was a benefit yes

[lapis creek]

the ending being cut is also strange but it possibly represents a number of cut mechanics such as tuning forks

[vestal swan]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh

[quaint spear]

So Joker is wrong 😘

[vestal swan]

Rad isn't the essence god

[gentle aspen]

?

[stone herald]

Is the radiance not

[gentle aspen]

alright man

[vestal swan]

She's not

[silk dirge]

the radiance explodes into essence

[stone herald]

She IS made of essence though

[silk dirge]

she seems pretty made of essence to me

[vestal swan]

She's full of it she is not the god of it

[quaint spear]

Even if the trap worked, the void would still have fucked up Pharloom

[vestal swan]

She doesn't have a physical body of course she's going to be full of it

[gentle aspen]

Because powdered said so?

[timber pond]

Yeah Essence god is a pale being probably

[vestal swan]

No I didn't say fuck up pharloom I meant puppet lace

[quaint spear]

No, it's also because of my logic GMS can't take the haunting away that quickly

While she's being corrupted actively

[vestal swan]

Also what I said doesn't contradict what joker said

[gentle aspen]

she’d just die

[quaint spear]

The silk is still connected though nah??

[vestal swan]

Well lace is a silk homunculus, they could just wear her like a suit

[gentle aspen]

she’s actively fighting against being consumed in act 3 because she’s trying to save her kid

[vestal swan]

She wouldn't necessarily die

[quaint spear]

That's creepy wth

[stone herald]

If she didn't resist so much, the void would've just eaten her, but since she resisted, the voids fighting, causing earthquakes, and grabbing at her haunting tendrils

[gentle aspen]

No lace? Void isn’t latching on or combining with the haunting

[vestal swan]

This conversation seems to have split up at some point I'm talking about lace

[gentle aspen]

Like sure hornet dies too but she’s racist who gaf if a racist dies amirite

[muted lantern]

i know its not a popularly accepted idea but i do really like the concept that greyroot is a similar type of creature to white lady, they have very similar appearances, and it could certainly be interesting to have other members of a species like white lady, and white lady is just a special member of that species. like we don't know if all wyrms are pale being right? so isnt it possible that white lady is just a root but also pale being?

[vestal swan]

GMS will die either way

[quaint spear]

That's just...goofy but...Hornet😭

[foggy fractal]

har har har you are quite right my friend !

[muted lantern]

inb4 the 🚫 emoji

[quaint spear]

WTH

[gentle aspen]

gms don’t care about her like that

[timber pond]

are you going to tell me that the Flies deserve anything? lol.

[lethal burrow]

ye that's the main reason people are talking about it so much

[gentle aspen]

Can you not talk about nsfw art here

cmon

[quaint spear]

But what about GMS absorbing Hornet and then escaping

[vestal swan]

Pale is basically just a description, and it does not make sense for all of the wyrms to be pale

[graceful grail]

I would like to think that all the “plant” bugs came from the same place

[lethal burrow]

I mean, I'm just acknowledging it. It's not like I'm sharing it or going into detail.

I didn't know I was required to act like it didn't exist my bad

[lapis creek]

why not

[gentle aspen]

it was completely unnecessary to mention it

[muted lantern]

did i miss something? what message was there and got deleted

[vestal swan]

Don't worry about it

[lethal burrow]

It was not insignificant context to the conversation

[gentle aspen]

Context that was already fulfilled with the shipping bit

[quaint spear]

GMS absorbs half wyrm half Weaver, becomes stronger = escape, girl is now op Pharloom is under her reign and cooked

[gentle aspen]

again, don’t mention it. Not necessary and inappropriate

[timber pond]

The flies in this game are all Dirt scum to hornet. Why should she even consider them good, in any capacity if her only experince is being muged , caged and harrased by them? lmao.

[gentle aspen]

she can be aware that they are enslaved to do so

[quaint spear]

Isn't she racist towards them

[stone herald]

They're stinky 🙁

[gentle aspen]

And being captured isn’t required in the slightest

also this kinda language is really 🥴

[muted lantern]

she gets a little less racist after she meets broodling. because she doesnt kill it on sight

[foggy fractal]

yay Hornet character devlopment 🤑

[quaint spear]

Sorry Pale Being 😔 don't make me fall under your reign like Fraudmother Silk

[quaint spear]

It's a boss

[lapis creek]

isnt this like precisely how racism works

[muted lantern]

not broodmother, broodling, the baby that appears in her arena after that fight

[quaint spear]

The game can't allow you to just one shot it lol

[quaint spear]

Oh. I wonder why then

[muted lantern]

broodling is ugly cute like a pug ig

[quaint spear]

LMAO

[muted lantern]

and wasnt attacking her

[quaint spear]

Imagine if we humans exist and we're the true higher beings

[lethal burrow]

I don't understand the problem with acknowledging its existence and honestly, I think it's extremely Puritanical that it's required that we pretend these things don't exist, but... no fruit has ever come from arguing with moderation so I'll not mention anything of the sort again.

[muted lantern]

hornet seems to have no qualms with killing anything if its self defence, fulling willing to kill children and such if they are a threat to her or others.

[lapis creek]

yeah joker you puritan

[quaint spear]

And we can literally pick up GMS(silk worm ahh) and get all her silk and step on her😭😭😭

[timber pond]

They are a long line of slaves And its not like she shows any compassion to things she likes slightly more anyway. she kills things equaly and writes down what she feels in the moment based on how the creature is living, and suprise, the flies are gross. lol

[quaint spear]

What the hell would even be the void in our lawn

[vestal swan]

Another baby

[quaint spear]

OML

[silk dirge]

imo team cherry should move the slab fly dialog to another species or family of fly that isnt sapient like red coral flies

[foggy fractal]

imo team cherry should delete silksong and start over

[gentle aspen]

there’s a difference between showing compassion and deeming an entire race of enslaved beings disgusting and deserving of being wiped out

[vestal swan]

Don't bring up all this irl nonsense

[quaint spear]

It's fun to think about tho

[silk dirge]

calling slab fly journal entries problematic makes sense

[gentle aspen]

It doesn’t apply

[lapis creek]

i know a lot of people who have banged their heads against the wall trying to reason with the mod team and i think they would all find this gross i dont think you should invoke their plight in this case

[stone herald]

Tbf you say entire rwce but hornet killed like 50 flies max

[silk dirge]

but if hornet called for the extinction of driznits

id agree

[stone herald]

And they all personally wronged her

[gentle aspen]

[quaint spear]

We should thank this freedom and be grateful😊

[gentle aspen]

We’re talking about the journal entries where she says this not her actions

[quaint spear]

btw wtf is this emote

[foggy fractal]

no eyes

[gentle aspen]

She’s fine with being able to defend herself

That’s not the issue

[quaint spear]

Gurl is fully taken over damn

[silk dirge]

it wouldve been a cool quest if by killing broodmother you could somehow free the slab flies

problem is theyre all haunted so idk if it works out

[gentle aspen]

like you can just call the dialogue problematic idk why people feel the need to defend her

[silk dirge]

somehow broodling isnt haunted

idk how she isnt

[quaint spear]

Doesn't have silk in it

[timber pond]

They have been raised thier whole life to be slavers of other creatures though. idk i dont really think they desrve sympathy

[quaint spear]

Would yall pay to have a cutscene of Karmelita vs Nyleth

[foggy fractal]

no

[quaint spear]

Crazy

[silk dirge]

anyways all im saying is if the only species hornet called for the extermination of were driznits and spit squits we wouldnt need any of these discussions

just move slab fly dialog to them problem solved

spit squits dont look like theyve ever bathed

[quaint spear]

I mean isn't Hornet like...royalty technically

[silk dirge]

that journal entry makes sense

for them

[quaint spear]

She low-key talks like she's offended by their grotesque manners

[gentle aspen]

slaves don’t deserve sympathy because of the situation they’re forced to be in? Mkay

[quaint spear]

Crazy

[vestal swan]

A bastard to one throne and the other is also totally dead and the third option she just executed

[silk dirge]

"the less these bugs breed the better"

[lapis creek]

thats not a driznit

[quaint spear]

Lmaoo

[timber pond]

the thing is, that it works in the context of what happens. She hates them beyond anything she has ever encountered because they have disrespected her in a way no one has. So it makes sense.

[gentle aspen]

She has some respect of wildlife

[foggy fractal]

We should cancel Team Cherry

[gentle aspen]

Again, she does not need to be captured to have these viewpoints

[silk dirge]

ik but its another red coral fly

the only acceptable red coral flies are great conchflies and pokenabbins

[lapis creek]

ok hold on a second, when you say "they" what do you mean

[gentle aspen]

and even then it’s only more understandable not justified

[timber pond]

they still fucking spit on her lol

[quaint spear]

If i was captured by another human I wouldn't think all humans should stop propagating cause their trash

[stone herald]

They do seem highly invasive

[gentle aspen]

okay? She spends the whole game getting showered by lava bodily fluids etc

[silk dirge]

these lil guys are cute they can live

[lapis creek]

do you think it's acceptable to generalize between members of a race to the extent of advocating for genocide

[quaint spear]

Id just be scared and think that person is trash not everyone

[foggy fractal]

appears in like 2 rooms 💔

[vestal swan]

The slab entries are stupid but I think them not having alternate options is just because TC was never planning on making alt versions for skipping a single scenario, not that hornet was intended to not care

[timber pond]

Yeah but humans are all the same species of creautre.

[silk dirge]

these on the other hand

kill them all

[quaint spear]

With your logic if I hurt you would all humans be bad???

Like what's your point low-key

[timber pond]

No because it dosent apply to humans because we all share the same traits.

[stone herald]

Real quick where IS this genocide entry

Under which enemy

[silk dirge]

the small slab fly

[vestal swan]

The mom and the babies iirc

[quaint spear]

Hair? Genetics? Or do you just mean anatomy

[lapis creek]

what are you talking about

[fading whale]

Question, what do we believe happened to the weaverspawn from the cradle cages? Did gms absorb them or something?

[silk dirge]

yeah

where else would they be

[gentle aspen]

?????

[deft tendon]

the humble parry:

[quaint spear]

Skin colour, eyes, body shapes, some of us are literally albinos how 8s that not different

[fading whale]

And they weren't enough to wake her up but hornet was the last one needed I guess?

[silk dirge]

one last weaver i just need this one to wake up

[stone herald]

Yeah that's kinda bad

Hornet does live in a much harsher world, and the immediate circumstances are pressing

[silk dirge]

type vibe

[stone herald]

Hornet doesn't really have a ton of sympathy to spare for anything that gets in her way, it's a pretty established character trait

[silk dirge]

honestly i am kinda curious how rune cages work

[quaint spear]

Pharloom is what if capitalism + dictators happened to the max mixed with a fake religion to support their cause

[deft tendon]

so you're telling me, a white man has the same pigment as shaq?

[silk dirge]

who is making them

we never see who is building rune cages and putting runes on them

probably some underworker tbh

[foggy fractal]

Every Hornet hunter's journal dialogue on the flies:

The less these gruesome bugs breed, the better. - Freshfly

Foul creatures birthed into servitude. Their plight elicits no sympathy from me. - Scabfly

The smell from these jailers overwhelms my senses. I strongly doubt they have ever thought to bathe. - Guardfly

Disgusting both in manner and stench. I feel no remorse to see them felled. - Wardenfly

With this one vanquished, I hope to have sped the end for that jail and its distasteful order. - Broodmother

[timber pond]

I mean humans operate under the same set of rules that make us "equal" in a sense, as in anatomy, behaviors, and paterns. THe creautes in hollow knight, while yes many are sapeint, live SUCH diffrent experinces because they are different species. There's a reason why the pale king had to "uplift" a bunch of different bugs, because they were so vastly different from him.

[fading whale]

But she doesn't end the broodling

[deft tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-boss-the-crawfather-crow-gif-10007010360377671985

[stone herald]

For the record If you want to talk human genetics (don't) humans have exceptionally low genetic diversity. Like REALLY REALLY low as a species compared to others

[gentle aspen]

so???? Okay sapient bugs have morphological differences what is your point?

[lethal burrow]

-# ||I would say there both separate and distinctly important and I would also say that the actual thing itself is what should be viewed as inappropriate not the acknowledgement of the things existence... but ok ( ._.)||

[silk dirge]

ok good question are craws sapient

[quaint spear]

Behaviours no because all of us have different ones + mental differences, anatomy can be ignored by disabled peeps. The comparison isn't that far off

[deft tendon]

whats sapient

[stone herald]

They have a court and a judge yeah they are

[silk dirge]

they definitely seem to have more intelligence than other bugs

[gentle aspen]

didn’t you say you were gonna drop this

this is not dropping it

[lethal burrow]

You're right I should know better

[quaint spear]

#callingoutthehypocrisy

[lethal burrow]

Nobody's going to change anyone's mind anyway

[silk dirge]

kinda fucked up creige just tells us to kill a bunch of them

tho tbh it was self defense they were attacking us

[deft tendon]

oh dude ofc they are they have a whole court system

[lethal burrow]

just in case time me out for like 10 minutes

[gentle aspen]

🤨

[lethal burrow]

It will help me resist the urge of replying

[stone herald]

Well I doubt criege gives a shit about them, they're attacking his customers

[silk dirge]

im kinda curious bc craws arent haunted

are they just attacking people for fun

[muted lantern]

also like hornet isnt exactly a morally perfect character, so her having messed up views of a whole species because she has a horrible experience with them isnt out of character.

[lapis creek]

joker i think you should play the long game

[stone herald]

Territorial probably

[quaint spear]

Gurl are you okay or are you just pretending but just let go off the phone or tab and go play Silksong

[deft tendon]

im curious why skarrs were in crieges cellar, does no one question this??

[gentle aspen]

They dug in

[silk dirge]

ant infestation

[deft tendon]

but why

[silk dirge]

common irl problem

[stone herald]

Tying to get the food or something

[silk dirge]

was their territory or smth

[stone herald]

It's a cellar, yum yum

[lapis creek]

they wanted booze

[deft tendon]

this made me laugh so hard when i first read it

[gentle aspen]

smell food

[fading whale]

I don't get why we are shocked that hornet can be kind polite and helpful to others , but also have some disturbing morals and biases. That's literally how real life people work

[stone herald]

Also for the brood mother bit

Hornets not the one who wanted to go out of the way to wipe them out, though she didn't mind, it was a wish with w mask shard

[timber pond]

Sure, behaviors on a minor level are different to a personality . But We all have overlapping traits we share that make us "human" and can identify those things on a subconscious level .
Hollow knight is like living in a world With Homo erectus, Homo naledi, And like, Neaderthals. Who had different general behaviors and actually had different traits.

[quaint spear]

Wait yall if the Citadel still sang and made actual proper melodies to keep GMS asleep constantly would she still eventually wake up?

[fading whale]

Probably not

[stone herald]

Hollow knigts is a world with a LOT of bigger differences

[lethal burrow]

Nectar from the teat

[gentle aspen]

what the fuck are you talking about

Genuinely

[quaint spear]

I see your point but minor level is crazy when psychopaths and sociopaths exist

[silk dirge]

GREAT CONCHFLIES ARE LESBIANS???

[fading whale]

But the point of these games is that such a thing is inherently flawed and conceptually impossible to maintain eternally

[stone herald]

Probably not but in the same way the radiancenprobbsly wouldn't have escaped if THK were hollow

Not going to happen in practice

[timber pond]

Yeah thats what im saying, a different species in hollow knight diefines a different existence.

[deft tendon]

also do we know what happened to the architect thats supposed to have the melody? are they dead or what? we never see a corpse

[timber pond]

Still Normal pepole can become those things. A Normal human canot become a Neaderthal

[stone herald]

They built a big boombox for the melody

[fading whale]

Even in it was hollow, maybe in 100 thousand years a huge rock would crack the black egg and thk open

[deft tendon]

we got lesbian conchflies and gay grasshoppers, woke silksong

[quaint spear]

True but low-key I forgor your point

[fading whale]

The point of these games is that no plan no matter how perfect can outlast nature

[stone herald]

Woke knight wokesong 🙁

[vestal swan]

How are the traffic cones lesbian?

[quaint spear]

Perfect doesn't exist lol

[quaint spear]

LMAO

[foggy fractal]

we do see their corpses in a hidden part of the room where you get the architect's crest (you have to break a wall to the top and right, and before you claim the crest otherwise its closed off)

[fading whale]

Exactly, not only does it not exist, but these games make a point to tell us that EVEN IF IT DID EXIST it still wouldn't be enough

[edgy nebula]

the bigger cylindrical ones are the males, it's dimorphism

[toxic quest]

just watched the mossbag silksong lore prediction video again and it's kinda crazy how much stuff he got right

[deft tendon]

eh i was more so talking about THE original architect, then again this was the supposed second conductor

[quaint spear]

No, that still doesn't encapsule the definition of perfect. Something perfect wouldn't even be affected by that

[deft tendon]

and second vaultkeeper

[muted lantern]

this is why hornet thinks about her love life after killing them

[quaint spear]

Does she actually or

[muted lantern]

actually what?

[vestal swan]

The two huge ones are a mated pair that doesn't line up

[toxic quest]

yeah she talks about how finding mates is an instinct that brings many bugs great joy yada yada yada or smth iirc

[quaint spear]

Think about her love life later killing them

[foggy fractal]

if we assume that every architect only had one body then yes the original architect should technically be in that room, although there is no distintion between them and all the other architects, the other 10 also being in that room, and of course the 12th being the only one still alive and outside

[quaint spear]

Didn't her lovers all die because she just out lasted them

[deft tendon]

To pair with another is a base instinct, and one that brings some bugs great joy. I once sought similar union, but of my own mates none could match my lifespan.

[edgy nebula]

yeah but she doesnt say "their gayish nature makes me think of my past lovers"

[toxic quest]

yep

[muted lantern]

her hunters journal entry after killing the second conchfly is about the creatures having the instinct to pair with another, then hornet goes on about how she sought similar union but outlived her mates.

[quaint spear]

Do you need that much context tho likeee

[timber pond]

That Different Species in Hollow Knight have Different Traits, Definitively within them that might not be redeemable to other species.

sort of like how WE Homo Sapiens, Wiped out Neaderthals at a certain point ,probably because they clashed with how we lived and threatened us lol. Hollow knight Has senteint bugs that are far more advanced than that, so it becomes murky, but for example hornet says pale beings have an URGE to dominate others, and they cant help it. Mabye the Flys have an urge to Spit on others as a form of greeting or playfulnes or something. Its not "Bad" but the other speceis probably wont tolerate it lol.

[quaint spear]

It's like seeing any couple and be like 'I'm so single I wish blah blah blaj' it doesn't matter what couple

[quaint spear]

I kinda see why I guess

Omg a n1 nyleth glazer? Me too

[toxic quest]

all of the species you mentioned are in the same genus; HK's world likely has much much more species diversity.

like, just having spiders and insects brings it up to phylum diversity

[timber pond]

Eeven more of a reason there is such discrimination then

[quaint spear]

Tbh our world has lots of species diversity too

[timber pond]

yeah, but not alot of things equivalent to our intelligence.

mabye orcas and dolphins

[quaint spear]

You would have to go back 500 million years to find the common ancestor of like...crabs and bats

[quaint spear]

And 25% of birds

[lapis creek]

sort of like how WE Homo Sapiens, Wiped out Neaderthals at a certain point ,probably because they clashed with how we lived and threatened us lol.
so this is not necessarily true but if it were do you think it would be justified

[timber pond]

Look im Never wanted to mean that Discrimination is good, im just saying in a Bug world The viewpoint is FUNDEMENTALY Diffrent.

[quaint spear]

I mean duh, do you wanna be not alive

[toxic quest]

the bigger factor is that we're essentially the only species with civilization and spoken/written language, maybe the only other animals that come close are eusocial animals like ants

[quaint spear]

Jokes aside, morality wasn't even something they had lol

[stone herald]

That's also just probably untrue yeah

[timber pond]

OK if there were a species taht looked exactly human, but it was aart of thier biolgy to Eat Homo Sapiens or something (hyperbole) then yes its justified lol

[quaint spear]

So it didn't matter, but to us? I guess nowadays we'd also have racism towards Neanderthals if they still existed or they just integrated into us

[stone herald]

Plain wrong here, there is some level of basic morality that exists in humans, its a very important evolved social behavior

[timber pond]

Like its not them discriminating but they ACTUALLY NEED to eat you

[quaint spear]

Okay but they wouldn't have morality to the enemy

[lapis creek]

do you think that was the case for hornet and the flies

[stone herald]

We still don't

[lapis creek]

we aren't talking about self defense here

[stone herald]

That still doesn't exist then

[quaint spear]

Urm it's called empathy-

[toxic quest]

morality is a very complex thing to talk about in an evolutionary context

[quaint spear]

Walking in ones shoes or whatever

[stone herald]

Empathy is an evolved trait

[timber pond]

I mean they all are trying to kill her except the Broodling

[quaint spear]

Exactly so they didn't have it

[timber pond]

and thats after you kill everything lol

[stone herald]

???? Yes they did???

[quaint spear]

Gurl you said it's an evolved trait

[toxic quest]

how much of it is psychological and evolutionary and how much is nurtured through society/social structures

[stone herald]

You mean neanderthals didn't have empanrh?

[quaint spear]

Which means it was later them

[lapis creek]

because they are slaves who were forced into the role of being prison guards

[stone herald]

Neanderthals have empathy, remains show stuff like old individuals healing from wounds that would be fatal without care

[lapis creek]

they are implied to have been normal members of society who upset the ruling class

[quaint spear]

Okay but that's towards their loved ones not towards the enemy

[stone herald]

There wasn't actually that much evolution between neanderthal time and this current time as well

[timber pond]

They might have, but if they had an urge to kill you INSTICNTIVELY and BIOLOGICALY no matter what, i wouldnt say its "discrimination" to not want them around

[quaint spear]

Hornet doesn't have that dawg

[timber pond]

Sure at some point, but this is many deveolved genrations down the line

[stone herald]

Empathy towards the enemy is something that is still heavily suppressed by a lot of people today.

People today don't tendt o have empathy for those they deem their absolute enemy

[timber pond]

I think these flies have litteraly, devolved

[quaint spear]

Exactly so it wouldn't matter

Like again, do you wanna be not alive

[toxic quest]

i think the citadel practiced some form of eugenics/selective breeding of sentient creatures

[stone herald]

Neanderthals did not have that urge, they were mingling with homo sapien communities

[deft tendon]

are slabflies incest

[quaint spear]

I mean ofc the reason Neanderthals died out wasn't because we won, that's just untrue but if that was true and if we had lost

[stone herald]

Nah they're like one big mama

[timber pond]

Merely a hypothetical example , not what actually happened.

[quaint spear]

Ya wouldn't rather that would ya?

[stone herald]

Yeah

[quaint spear]

Gurl wha

[stone herald]

I said yeah in agreement to your point, I obviously would want my community to survive more than another

[quaint spear]

Exactly

[muted lantern]

honestly its probably more canonically likely that hornets at least interested in men. because its pretty heavily implied shes tried to have kids before, therefore its fairly likely one of her mates was a guy. though not completely confirming as theres other possibilities. but honestly i just cannot picture hornet dating a guy

[quaint spear]

So like it wouldn't even matter

[stone herald]

But irl they weren't just killing each other, you think the average caveman was like "hmm that one's 90% neanderthal and I'm only 20% it's me vs them"

[toxic quest]

i find it unlikely that there was this romantic-era clash between humans and neanderthals and "we won"; neanderthals probably went extinct due to a combination of environmental factors and getting out-competed by individual human tribes

[lapis creek]

this is natural she is a bug

[stone herald]

Homondapiens also nearly went extinct, it was REALLY close

[quaint spear]

But anyway this doesn't matter cause morality is subjective, society has only reached a general consensus towards it

[vestal swan]

You have to erase all the shitty headcanon people have been throwing out for years

[toxic quest]

👍

[quaint spear]

How, also wasn't it only 700 or 7k people iirc

[timber pond]

The world of hollow knight Is much more closely tied to nature and the way she uses the word "mates". yeah thats correct.

[lapis creek]

what an interesting thing to say

[timber pond]

Green princes are wierd in that regard, probably dont reprocduce through a partner.

[toxic quest]

allegedly at some point in time the entire human population was approximately 2000

[stone herald]

Yeah thats what I'm talking about
Homo sapiens didn't beat the rest in one big clash, there was just a TINY bottleneck and the other human species just died

[timber pond]

They seem to come from eggs?

[muted lantern]

shitty headcanon?

[vestal swan]

Why the hell are we talking about Homo sapiens

[stone herald]

Idfk

[quaint spear]

Skill issue(it was pure rng)

[vestal swan]

People act like her being a lesbian was canon etc (the ship is now bad)

[quaint spear]

Honestly it's just #morality is deep

[timber pond]

I was Using it as an example.

[toxic quest]

skill issue is more accurate atp, on evolutionary scales "rng" is determined by fitness

[vestal swan]

There is no situation in this channel where Homo sapiens are a valid example

[stone herald]

I think the jailerfly discussion is a bit nothing burger tbh

[quaint spear]

No, that event happening to them more than to us was a rng

[stone herald]

Who actually cares if hornet was pretty racist to one species of bug

[edgy barn]

What the fuck why are we talking about the freaking neanderthals here.

[stone herald]

Someone said they had no morality

[quaint spear]

The blue songbird app

[stone herald]

It's not that anymore

[vestal swan]

There's no reason to bring up cavemen get on an actual topic, bye

[foggy fractal]

hi

[quaint spear]

Sigh, the Higher Beings have spoken

We must move on to new territory like...why did Sands of Karak dry out again

[edgy barn]

A shiny celestial body.

[stone herald]

The sun?