sk-lore

[silk dirge]

i should make an entire conspiracy revolving around the fucking final steam badge

honestly its kinda fun to do that

[fading shard]

people thinking you were ignoring all the positives he made when he was alive in hallownest

[dusk harness]

Even the small bit of lifeblood lore we got in this game is so worth it for me tbh. Like it feels like Act 3 is the fanservice act we get the void we get lifeblood lore we get Hallownest name drop and the red memory

[silk dirge]

i do want to try to decompile silksong and see if i can find shit relating to it

[deft tendon]

does anyone agree? ^

[dusk harness]

It’s a neat theory

[silk dirge]

bc i really want to know what the fuck that cut quest was

[cedar skiff]

im going to ignore the points star makes about the games advertising itself but there is some merit to the "the game sells itself as restoring hope". a lot of what you do, like the questing around the towns makes it feel like youre doing a lot more than just walking through a kingdoms corpse looking for answers.

[silk dirge]

and why its icon is used for the steam badge

[heavy gyro]

It was the memento for John silksong

[charred nimbus]

wasn't it a achievment?

[covert tusk]

I wanna agree but we don’t know what species of bug these are cuz they could just have that (like the weavers)
It’s a cool idea tho I cannot deny that at all

[whole holly]

how so? i expressed my opinion, it wasn't argument before lot of people started invalidating my point , if anything encouraging me to stop expressing my opinion then calling me disrespectful

[silk dirge]

a cut one

all of the stuff relating to that icon is cut

which is very sussy

[sinful nimbus]

I mean the advertising point is more of a side thing anyway

[charred nimbus]

it could've been the silk and soul icon but they changed it to not make it clear that it was special before the reveal

[sinful nimbus]

The story doesn't hold even when you don't consider advertising yes

[cedar skiff]

wait what icon are you talking about

[silk dirge]

the final steam badge

[cedar skiff]

i know we have some cut achievements but this seems specific

[deft tendon]

true but as said by mistakes descriptions "Once a highly intelligent bug, deformed by the misuse of soul."

[vague whale]

Said it right in the message you replied to; you've been arguing in bad faith for ages now

[whole holly]

i thought i avoided that when i said "net" negative

[charred nimbus]

They should've kept the all mementos achievment and i stand by my point

[silk dirge]

team cherry could've made the final steam badge the everbloom and it wouldve worked out since they could then just have a rune harp steam badge and it would match up with void heart being the final steam badge for hk

but they didnt

[fading shard]

honestly agreed

[whole holly]

define bad faith

[heavy gyro]

They might add more mementos in dlcs

[silk dirge]

they chose to not make the rune harp a steam badge so they then could have that specific icon be the final one

[cedar skiff]

the dastardly memento that seth gatekeeps:

i agree though because then they could have made some sort of achievemnt for every possible collectible making it so that getting the 4th heart isnt an useless act of cruelty

[vague whale]

oh my god. if I do you're just gonna argue about how it totally doesn't apply to what you've said aren't you

[covert tusk]

Oh yeahhhhhh
And unlike people like Silk or the shamans or other peeps I’m forgetting, the soul scholars aren’t THAT that good with Soul (let alone Groal) soooo
Shit yeah wait this is actually sick

[vague whale]

I'm just gonna block you and move on bye

[charred nimbus]

the worst part is beating Seth records, getting ALL other mementos and not getting a single reward for it

[fading shard]

Blocking is a bit extreme?

[deft tendon]

and they arent technically supposed to be using soul (i think)

[vague whale]

Not really? Why would it be

[fading shard]

I mean it's one disagreement right

[vague whale]

Yeah it's not a bad theory at all

[whole holly]

i wanted to be on same page, i just wanted to challenge mainstream view of pale king with my opinion, it was factual and everything

[fading shard]

debates naturally have disagreements

[cedar skiff]

as of now the mementos do feel worse to get than a frayed rosary string (lore stuff those reveal aside)

[brisk plaza]

i don't check here for a few days and shit is going on whats happening

[silk dirge]

honestly part of me kinda wants to actually play this

[covert tusk]

The whole conversation has been more than 3 people making a point, you refuting and looping it back to your stubborn shitty moronic belief, and then saying we’re bad for being irritated that you have the debate skills of a toddler. Call it bad faith all you want but if I earnestly engage in the conversation at hand you’re just gonna completely ignore it anyway

[spark valve]

Mementos are amusingly useless

[fading shard]

Hey now

[silk dirge]

thus the mystery icon conspiracy grows

[charred nimbus]

what the heck is this...

[covert tusk]

Yes but usually these disagreements are from differing opinions due to actually listening to the conversation and not just going on and on about nothing 😭

[fading shard]

Listen steel I know you're agitated

[silk dirge]

a fake dlc map someone made

[deft tendon]

too much tbh

[spark valve]

I love doing act 3 exploration and getting zero rewards for like three bosses in a row

[fading shard]

but let's not insult one another

[covert tusk]

They’re cool bragging rights so I can’t complain, they remind me of the hunters mark and or weathered mask

[fading shard]

let's refrain from insults

[vague whale]

It's been a pretty long argument with just this one guy ignoring every point anyone else makes and constantly saying theirs over and over while saying "actually that's not what I'm saying" any time someone tries to say why they're wrong. I don't really need to interact with people like that, so yeah plenty of reasons to just block em

[silk dirge]

if the cut memento achievement used the mystery icon...

[sinful nimbus]

act 3 and exploration in the same sentence

[cedar skiff]

who doesnt love the same gauntlet from act 1 but void

[silk dirge]

you see where im getting at

the mystery icon is more than it seems

[whole holly]

their arguments wasn't relevant to mine, it didn't disprove anything, it didn't add anything to my point,i even clarified to one reasonable person in discussion and he understood it

[cedar skiff]

memento achievement after theyre done with dlc and the mementos those would bring

[quiet briar]

But I’m getting them all anyway

[covert tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[brisk plaza]

you being a neutral devils advocate helps nothing btw

[cedar skiff]

the materium is cool af though i love that addition

[charred nimbus]

Not actually, the green prince memento is useful to give me anxiety everytime i'm at my own home because i hate the sound of heart beats

[silk dirge]

its pretty weird to me all these cut things are still in the game files

[spark valve]

Y’all are getting ragebaited so hard just ignore it

[covert tusk]

STEEL MEMENTO AFTER THE STEEL DLC RAHHHHH

[vague whale]

for real we love utilizing the block feature to cultivate our online experience

[silk dirge]

the fact like that one ending is in the game files tells me it was a pretty late removal probably

[sinful nimbus]

Me relaxing after a long day of hunting with my Lifeblood Gland Karmelita Heart and crying baby

Don't forgot the Mizello recording

[cedar skiff]

right im sooo fascinated by strung to serve

[silk dirge]

someone should recreate that irl

[fading shard]

I'm just not a fan of insulting people

even if I disagree with nika

[brisk plaza]

its actually more irritating to backread than the guy itself hes a big boy you dont need to be the nanny holding everyone's hand telling them to play nice we got mods for that if its that bad 😭

[vague whale]

lolllll lofi beats to read ur map to

[fading shard]

And am on the side of ashen

[cedar skiff]

whole achievement, cutscene with audio, and it just got axed

[deft tendon]

that shit was genuinely disturbing

[silk dirge]

tipp and pill better be hearing every little sound in the mizello recording

[fading shard]

I just think we gotta be respectful

[silk dirge]

fuck liquid lacquer

[brisk plaza]

also i haven't heard of this, do you have a link to it?

[charred nimbus]

Mizello recording is chill because you can chose when to play it, but the twisted bud crying and the heart beat is actually so annoying because you can't get rid of it

[whole holly]

my point was PK was net negative, debaters tried to lure me out in positions(by making unrelated claims) to attempt to disprove me, but they ended up disproving additional claims and not original one, hence why i had to reassess it, because no one was able to actually disprove original point i was making, guy who asked for clarification and elaboration ended up receiving explanation .

[deft tendon]

most likely an earlier version of the deafault ending

[fading shard]

chill out dude

[vague whale]

I understand, but Nika wasn't being respectful themselves in the debate. It's somewhat of a double standard, I won't lie

[silk dirge]

game code says it had to do with specific tuning forks

[cedar skiff]

i cant pull up a link rn sorry but its pretty easy to find online its been uploaded tons of times already

[deft tendon]

oh?

[cedar skiff]

also arent there sprites for the ending too?

[silk dirge]

relating to the bell shrines

[fading shard]

They weren't insulting anybody

An that's why I'm saying not to insult them T_T

[cedar skiff]

its amusing the deliveries are irrelevant for 100%

[covert tusk]

I’m not gonna be respectful to someone who’s ignored me being rather polite for the past 10 minutes, idk I think that’s reasonable

[silk dirge]

theres also the cut slab cinematic

[charred nimbus]

Can the arguing guys make like, a discord group chat to jump ontop of each others throats so we can discuss lore?

[brisk plaza]

if someone is being a dumbfuck they're gonna be called a dumbfuck. not saying anyone is but cause and effect and nika wasn't being a saint either so idk why ypure shielding them like they're getting jumped for no reason

[silk dirge]

the slab cinematic was probably cut to make the slab transition more jarring

[whole holly]

this was my original point, no one has been able to disprove it yet

[silk dirge]

but it looks really good

[cedar owl]

the whole ending is still functional, the triggers were just removed

[fading shard]

I am very specifically talking about insults

[vague whale]

Correct, but they weren't engaging with anyone else honestly or in good faith. They were arguing with no intent of acknowledging anyone else's points, which is itself disrespectful to the rest of us

[cedar skiff]

i get why the slab cinematic was cut because bro was making cinematic bits for just about anything but the abyss climb somehow didnt get one

the climb ends so anticlimatically tsk tsk

[brisk plaza]

ooo thank you then meow

[fading shard]

all i am talking about is insults that is it

The rest is fine man

[silk dirge]

imo the abyss climb should be longer

make it use like all of enter pharloom

[vague whale]

Well no, it really isn't, and that means you are upholding a double standard for Nika

[cedar skiff]

i just wish it didnt abruptly end tbh

[whole holly]

i was apparently disrespectful because i argued against mainstream narrative? so that justifies people calling me moron?

[cedar skiff]

but it being longer/more challening would have been awesome

[fading shard]

I'm saying that the rest of what you guys are sayting is fine

[brisk plaza]

"the debate skills of a toddler" <- i think bro will live if someone says that abt them bro hes a big boy

[silk dirge]

anyways this cutscene i think is probably something that was added/removed late in the development considering the artstyle looks very good https://youtu.be/A1avf5wudUY?si=nV-4szPvzQl9H4sK

[whole holly]

insults and arguing against point aren't equal

[cedar owl]

can someone tell me if the hollow knight we play in silksong is a girl

[fading shard]

What

[silk dirge]

i think generally the entire slab was a later addition

[charred nimbus]

?

[deft tendon]

??

[brisk plaza]

this reminds me of how i genuinely managed to kill every cage fly before realizing it was my easiest way into the slab, so painful

[fading shard]

Have you seen hollow knight lore

[fading shard]

That had to suck

[whole holly]

well, every accusation from @covert tusk is confession

[half sinew]

IIIITS
T
V
TIIIIIME

[cedar skiff]

its amazing how the art evolved from hk to silksong in every department, the difference between the etv cutscene and sotv is stunning

[charred nimbus]

I just straight up never found a single cage fly in my blind playtru, and i'm sad because i never got the true slab experience

[brisk plaza]

im not saying i agree w either side btw lky both sides said dumbfuck shit but someone getting up in arms bc someone said your bars are trash made me laugh

[silk dirge]

yeah i get why a lot of people want to see a tv series in that art style its so good

[vague whale]

I'm very pleased that I was bad enough at the game to encounter one super early on and get uber-jailed for it

[fading shard]

You know when I first got trapped by a cage fly I thought it was a unskippable thing

but then I found out by other people that it is very missable

[cedar skiff]

on both my playthroughs i got caged while not paying attention crazily enough, never did the other entry

[silk dirge]

but didnt team cherry say somewhere they arent planning on any tv series

[cedar skiff]

cradle lace entry had me hyped af

[covert tusk]

Oooohhhhh a random person in a server got mad cuz you were being dumb, what ever shall I do

[brisk plaza]

im more mad that i couldnt do shit with the witch crest— fuck the true slab experience i want the true parasite experience UGHHH

[silk dirge]

i get why they dont want to make a hk tv series but itd go so hard

[silk dirge]

the transition is smooth as fuck

[cedar owl]

I thought the hollow knights were genderless but this red one seems like a girl

[brisk plaza]

also atp yall are being ragebaited just ignore bro

[cedar skiff]

cradle lace in general is such a damn beatuiful arena the flowers really add so much

[fading shard]

.............

[silk dirge]

like the way the cutscene just ends and the lace music starts like that EXACT moment

[fading shard]

First off the siblings are called vessels the hollow knight is a daddy's favorite HORNET is not a vessel

[charred nimbus]

The worse part was me after realizing i missed the cage sequence, i was looking the entire map while searching 50 pages on google on how to get caged, just to realize it was impossible at that point and i just had to find a secret entrance to explore the slab

[silk dirge]

its so good

[brisk plaza]

i encountered one early bc i hopped right into hunters march super early but i was so suspicious of everything due to how much i didn't want to redo the area that it never caught me and i just killed it LMFAO

[fading shard]

what secret entrance?

[whole holly]

i was disrespectful because i didn't blindly agree with irrelevant points and retract my statement? so you are upholding and justifying someone saying slurs? and you think anything otherwise is double standard? wow

[fading shard]

it was a clear cut pathway through the choral chambers

[charred nimbus]

the secret entrance above the room with choral commandments

[covert tusk]

Yeah that’s entirely on me mb lmao
Anyways y’all ever realize how similair the moss prophet and zylotol are lmao?

[silk dirge]

the thing is i didnt know what was gonna happen since i recognized the elevator but i thought lace was gonna like cut it down or smth like that

[cedar skiff]

god experiencing that bit for the first time was unmatched. that feeling of not knowing what awaits when you step in the elevator and then the cutscene and aaaa

[charred nimbus]

yes, but you can only explore it fully via this secret entrance

[brisk plaza]

their discord bio is misinfo spreader yall are getting baited the shit out of again bruh 😭✌️

[fading shard]

oh well good job to them then

on baiting me

[brisk plaza]

when the fuck did someone say slurs HELP?

[charred nimbus]

i even had to find it myself because there was no guides of the game at that point, i had the slab thing but i couldn't explore it until i found the secret entrance above this room where i could enter the other part of the slab via a cave

[brisk plaza]

how did i miss that

[vague whale]

That's exactly where I found it too, but I assumed it would just be a normal enemy and I'd either kill it or get sent back to bench lolllll
Nope jail time

[brisk plaza]

i remember getting jailed by one (1) and being so that when it caught me and i noticed i wasn't breaking free i immediately panic-quit the game HAHAHAHHAHA

[whole holly]

you mentioned "moron", are you mocking me because YOU got mad lol? stay mad

[vague whale]

Uh that never happened, if they're actually trying to lie about people saying slurs we should get mods in here

[cedar skiff]

the slab was such a fun experience

[fading shard]

moron is not a slur though nika

[brisk plaza]

apparently moron is a slur guys HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

don't say the big M-word

[fading shard]

can we end this conversation

[vague whale]

It was terrifying at first but boy am I glad I got to have that experience blind

[fading shard]

it's dragging out

[vague whale]

oh lmao how foolish

[heavy gyro]

Top tier ragebait

[silk dirge]

same

[brisk plaza]

oh so now we have to end it when the guy youre defending is showing his ass and obviously in the wrong, sighhs

[fading shard]

I am not defending them

[vague whale]

We should still probably get mods in here if Nika is still going on and on, though

[silk dirge]

it kinda got ruined for me by the fact i was a dumbass and missed an obvious key door and was walking around in circles for like an hour

[fading shard]

I ONLY said to refrain from insults

[limber anvil]

Is the reason hornet dosnt need a lumifly lantern because she can see in the dark as a half spider?

[cedar skiff]

also going into the cold areas for the first time was such an experience too i was like man they really went all fucking out for this game

[whole holly]

it is though, ableist slur, plus he mocked my intelligence saying i have debate skills of toddler which is also ableist

[silk dirge]

i love mount fay

[cedar skiff]

i also thought i was freezing cause i didnt have my cloak

[silk dirge]

i remember first finding out where it was and going fuck yeah

[cedar skiff]

but then i got it back and was still freezing

[fading shard]

no?

[brisk plaza]

i was gonna say no but ableist slur is crazy LMFAOO

[fading shard]

Like he was being rude to you with those but

ableist slur????????

Like come on now

[vague whale]

I just went "oh maggot water AND freeze to death air in this game that's great"

[cedar skiff]

the mount fay climb is probably the most fun platforming bit after the abyss climb for me (only cause the abyss climb was so fucking hype with enter pharloom)

but the clawline platforming is awesome and the freeze gimmick

[brisk plaza]

i feel like people were over-exaggerating about mount fay, it was one of the most fun exploration i had

[fading shard]

Who doesn't love freezing death air XD

[cedar skiff]

its not that challenging after u get the hang of it but still fun

[covert tusk]

MUWHAHAHA I AM THE ABLEIST FLONATHAN AND I AM GOING TO SAY THE M WORD MUWHAHAHAHA

[vague whale]

oh my god what in the world are they saying at this point. I told yall blocking them was a good idea lol

[whole holly]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)

[fading shard]

mount fay was pretty fun and easy personally

[vague whale]

Honestly I despised the Mount Fay platforming it kinda sucked for me imo

[brisk plaza]

i loved all the lava climbs and abyss climb was so peak, i know people complain about siso being mini path of pain but honestly it's so good

[cedar skiff]

also going off path by pure accident and running into mask maker made my mount fay climb all the better

[thorny pendant]

Moron is not ableist in modern context, it was originally a medical term used to describe people who had a mental age or 7 to 10 giving it an ableist origin but the modern definition has changed significantly and it can no longer be considered a slur

[fading shard]

It was a bit too easy right

[brisk plaza]

the fact that they have to start saying they were being called a slur for people to realize they were ragebaiting still makes me giggle

[charred nimbus]

the abyss climb was actually so easy, i don't know why people were comparing it to path of pain 😭

[vague whale]

Er no I meant the opposite

[cedar skiff]

i struggled with it at first because i had no idea how to use clawline properly but after that experience clawline became my favourite ability in the game

[whole holly]

well, context they were saying it in is slur considering they started mocking my intelligence

[fading shard]

oh

Really?

[heavy gyro]

Not every insult is a slur

[brisk plaza]

certain siso exploration in general being compared to POP, i mean

[covert tusk]

I don’t think it’s a hot take to say I prefer every section of playforming in Silksong to the first game’s, in part because Hornet has a moveset way more catered to being agile and active

[dusky bay]

Act 3 feels small but has room for more memories in dlc
I hope that's the first dlc
Bilewater and coral memories before infection and such
So we get 3rd pintress fight and gud groal!!

[whole holly]

it is i provided source actually

[vague whale]

Yeah. I struggled with it and had to come back to it after a while since I didn't have any rosaries for the bench once I got there the first time

[cedar skiff]

i hope silksongs path of pain equivalent is built around hunter crest pogo i said what i said

[thorny pendant]

Who even knows the origin of the word? It’s an insult not a slur in the modern day and they could’ve used any other word to the same effect

[dusky bay]

Styx your head gets pulled off and a nosk takes your place in steel soul mode

[covert tusk]

Like call it a skill issue, but I’d rather do Mount Fay, the Abyss Climb, that Far Fields Mask Climb, and even the Nameless Village climb, over something like the White Palace in the first game’s

[charred nimbus]

What is this platforming section? IS THIS PATH OF PAIN?

[brisk plaza]

yall are getting ragebaited again oomfs ✌️

[whole holly]

okay stop defending it atp

[charred nimbus]

I'm not Styx tho, my pfp is Runt 😛

[thorny pendant]

I fall for the rage bait constantly sigh goes to touch grass

[fading shard]

I agree

[dusky bay]

The logical reason they removed shaw bec it would be very annoying to hear every down pogo

[vague whale]

Is there any way for us to like, call in mods to get rid of this guy

[fading shard]

white palace is a lot more dificult then mount fay

[dusky bay]

You ate your mother's organs

[charred nimbus]

I didn't, i asked Hornet to bring me meat because i didn't eat my mothers organs 😛

[vague whale]

Oh for sure

[brisk plaza]

i prefer hollow knigjt in certain ways (waves in wanderers crest main) but siso really did feel like an expansion on certain hk stuff that couldn't be included due to both time and budget and im really happy to see team cherry have fun w the gsme

[covert tusk]

I AM THE MORON DEFENDER AND I THEOW MORONS FROM MY MORONMOBILE

[fading shard]

the nameless village climb was the closest to white palace dificulty

[dusky bay]

There is a little path of pain ontop of the area where you fought gms

[fading shard]

My guy I've done that

[dusky bay]

You did-
After you just
Popped out
You asked for organs
And your mom also asked for them before death-

[fading shard]

it's the only way to compelete the mr mushroom quest

[charred nimbus]

i don't think that is Path of pain either, because i did that many times and i also did path of pain after playing silksong

[fading shard]

and get the momento

[vague whale]

isn't that just Bowser

[brisk plaza]

modmail meow

[fading shard]

also calling that path of pain is crazy

it's not even close

[thorny pendant]

Silksong has a better platforming moveset but worse non-scripted platforming segments imo

[charred nimbus]

yeah

[charred nimbus]

People are just calling any platforming in silksong path of pain tbh

[fading shard]

It's not even white palace dificulty

[dusky bay]

I kinda hated it?
Till I found out sprinting on a wall and reaching an edge does a great jump
Wish I knew that sooner...

[fading shard]

the closest to one

[covert tusk]

Honestly maybe it’s just me, but because of Hornet’s more spell like skills and tools in general, I can’t see Wanderers as just THE hollow knight crest
Like it’s a Similar moveset, sure, but so does reaper. It’s just the quick slash crest with a short range as the cost

Also I agree for sure, you can really tell what stuff they were itching to finally do

[vague whale]

ughhhh I hate using modmail what if they get mad at me

[cedar skiff]

also maybe hot take but the surface climb does not need to be more diffuclt its not really rewarding

[dusky bay]

It's is own path of pain
Or team cherry does one for someone else for some odd reason

[charred nimbus]

it gives a achievment tho

[fading shard]

people are literally calling the hunters march 5 pogo flower bud platforming harder then path of pain

[thorny pendant]

Why does no one know this 💔 am I the only person who randomly pressed dash while wall climbing

[dusky bay]

Momento
Mr mushroom
And the last enemy you need for the achievement

[fading shard]

You mean the mr mushroom achievement?

[covert tusk]

Me on my way to kidnap princess ableism and be defeated by the triumphant Nikaio

[brisk plaza]

doubt, most of the mods are patient as shit they've been dealing with more moronic shit for years atp you're fine

[charred nimbus]

yeah

[elder rune]

Does the sun or stars exist in the world of Hollow Knight? Obviously it’ll always be obscured by the clouds or storms but there must be something resembling a sky in the setting right?

[fading shard]

oh right you also need it for the hunters journal achievement

[cedar skiff]

its still underwhelming

[dusky bay]

I started using it more in stuff like nyelth fight and many parkouring section
It feels SO good

[thorny pendant]

Me when I’m in a making mountains out of mole hills competition:

[fading shard]

We never even got to see the surface

[dusky bay]

Sadly he isn't an extra one

[charred nimbus]

I actually never used the run throught walls in my 180 hours of silksong...

[brisk plaza]

i prefer it over reaper due to the down pogo + nail swing speed, i am a flea juice unga bunga enthusiast. you are right though!

[fading shard]

it only took like 25 minutes to do it

[dusky bay]

It's more sand like the area before sand of karrak so it's probably a very very sandy place

[elder rune]

So the Nameless Village and the place straight up called “the surface” isn’t the actual surface? Are Pharloom’s inhabitants just stupid?

[cedar skiff]

id be interested in surface dwelling intelligent bugs and their culture

[dusky bay]

3hrs
I am not a Celeste player

[charred nimbus]

It is their surface tho

[fading shard]

it's the surface of the pharloom ihabitants

it's like hallownest crown peak

[thorny pendant]

It’s the surface above pharloom but I don’t think the world of Hk has a “surface”

[fading shard]

it's still not the surface

but it's the closest the inhabitants are to the top

[cedar skiff]

the surface needolin memory is interesting

[brisk plaza]

they're not human it's not gonna be 1:1 cmon now thinking caps on its the "surface" to THEM...

[fading shard]

I am really confused by that

because like there has to be an actual surface

Does the underground just span infinitely

[thorny pendant]

Did the nameless village inhabitants just like free fall into the citadel or what

[vague whale]

Yeah somewhere

[fading shard]

is there no surface to go up

[charred nimbus]

yeah, problaby

Fearless fox will pass on the actual surface of Hollow knight, bet

[fading shard]

I would like to see what the actual surface is

[cedar skiff]

who knows, the surface was one of the few pharloom locations unaffected by the haunting

[elder rune]

Then it shouldn’t be called the surface lmao, unless you mean to tell me the society that created actual robots and an entire public transport system made up of pneumatic tubes is apparently too smooth brained to recognize the “surface” isn’t actually the surface.

[thorny pendant]

Imagine hornet makes a cameo but she’s like one pixel on the screen

[fading shard]

would the very top of the hollow knight universes world just be void

would climbing to as high up as possible through the world just take you to nothingness or what

[cedar skiff]

it could be the actual surface but its too sandy and windy to see the sky

[elder rune]

There has to be a sky, it can’t just be endless caverns or an eternal endless void right!?

[charred nimbus]

People seeing a red pixel on the Fearless fox background: 😮

[thorny pendant]

I don’t think the nameless town is ever outright called the surface it’s just the name of the menu screen

[covert tusk]

Dude flew brew and wanderers, SPECIFICALLY on widow is insane dude
Like I wish I had the clip but I was going nuts and she was standing still throwing bells, then just inched back and threw more and I shredded her in seconds

[elder rune]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Surface_Memento You tell me this isn’t the actual surface!?

[thorny pendant]

The description just says “the nameless town above pharloom”

[fading shard]

It is not the surface

it literally is just as high up as howling cliffs T_T

[thorny pendant]

And there’s no area title when entering the platform segment

[fading shard]

and we see that howling cliffs is underground

[charred nimbus]

I mean, Runt didn't eat his mother's organs because he was weak, not because he didn't want to, his brothers and sisters were just built different, so in fact he didn't eat his mother

[fading shard]

people thought howling cliffs was the surface too until we found out it's still has a damn ceiling up above

[elder rune]

I AM NOT CRAZY IT CLEARLY SAYS “Surface Memento”!

[brisk plaza]

I LOVE FLEA BREW LONG CLAW POISON UNGA BUNGA ITS SO FUN I REFUSE TO DROP THE UNGA BUNGA METHOD!!

ive only ever dropped it to switch to beast crest which is even more mindless unga bunga

[fading shard]

IT's as much of a surface as the howling cliffs

which it is not

IT IS NOT alba

[charred nimbus]

BECAUSE IT IS THEIR SURFACE, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THE SURFACE OF EVERY SINGLE LAND

THAT'S HOW CAVE SYSTEMS WORK

[brisk plaza]

also it's implied that runt popped out late and didn't grow because his siblings got first meats and had more time to grow. he can't fight over meats if hes not as big as them so he gets left behind

[fading shard]

I mean if we would go higher up from that surface w'ed just find another damn ceiling

[fading shard]

and even more damn caves

[thorny pendant]

Guys I have a rly good question

[elder rune]

You mean to tell me the surface isn’t actually the surface? No, she orchestrated it! Grandmother Silk!

[fading shard]

and if we found another surface we'd just find another damn ceiling

[brisk plaza]

this question abt to be ass /j

[fading shard]

HOW MANY CEILINGS ARE THRE

[thorny pendant]

Why is there a golden light around the citadel when looking at the clouds of the edge rooms when it’s contained in a huge cavern

[fading shard]

everytime we think we find the surface

there is just another ceiling

[fading shard]

Where is the actual surface

I desperately want to know

[charred nimbus]

Problaby the same reason that Pharloom has a giant golden entrance

[covert tusk]

Dude I can’t wait for the inevitable Godhome dlc, the only reason I’m not a beast crest user more often is cuz I’d rather have good mobility AND offensive powers
Dude imagine a world where the beast crest had blue slots

[brisk plaza]

tbf there was the land of the gods of storm and thunder but even then its not really confirmed that all that was taking place aboveground

[fading shard]

we see a roof

in that land

[thorny pendant]

Just use silksoar in dirt mouth to find the ceiling of hallownest

[fading shard]

we in the backround see a damn roof in there gin

[charred nimbus]

I can't wait to have silk soar in hollow knight

[fading shard]

We see another damn ceiling in the land of storms

[fading shard]

they just have the powers of godamn weathers

[fading shard]

they are called the gods of storm and thunder for a reason

[cedar skiff]

grand mother silk after cleverly putting a memento called the surface memento on the not actual surface to prank whoever manages to get past her

[thorny pendant]

I’ll never understand why hornet can’t use silk soar in areas with no ceiling like were underground THERE IS ALWAYS A CEILING

[fading shard]

it's not actual elements it's just their goddamn super powers as higher beings

[brisk plaza]

i would be beastcrest more often but w how the void interacts w our silk bar (act 3) and its fucking awful down pogo it's not worth it to me. in certain fights it's even more obnoxious than wanderer though, especially w longclaw

[fading shard]

Which I know is up to question because the godseeker calls a damn vengfly a god

[covert tusk]

Gameplay wise balancing I guess but in universe

Idk maybe she can’t throw that high LMAO

[fading shard]

But from what we see and now the god of thunder and storm are actual higher beings

[brisk plaza]

like using beast in any act 3 gauntlet to unga bunga feels so fucking bad im ngl 💔

[charred nimbus]

Did you ever think that Runt asks for the same amount of meat as Huntress had asked? like, bro, The Huntress asked for meat for HER WHOLE BROOD, Runt is gonna become a higher being eating that much meat alone.

[thorny pendant]

What if she gets boosted from gms cus her throw is silk powered

[brisk plaza]

personally im a "runt was not hatched a runt" truther, still made me giggle though

[vague whale]

wait wdym by that I'm curious

[fading shard]

Imagine him becoming so powerful

that he goes back in time goes to hallownest prime

and eats the pale king

[fading shard]

my source "trust me bro"

This is a joke obviously

[fading shard]

He's just gonna eat so much he's gonna get time travelling powers guys

[charred nimbus]

Some Hollow knight fans would legit come up with that theory without joking...

[fading shard]

nooooooo that's impossible

[brisk plaza]

to me, runt is that size because he hatched late and couldn't get between his siblings to fight for meats. alot of species grow fast and when there's alot of siblings and few meats, to me it makes sense that hes that size because he was a late hatcher and the meats got eaten up before he could grow

[elder rune]

I AM NOT CRAZY! I AM NOT CRAZY… I KNOW THE “SURFACE” IS THE ACTUAL SURFACE, I JUST COULDN’T PROVE IT! ONE AFTER MAGNA CARTA, AS IF I COULD EVER MAKE SUCH A MISTAKE!?

[vague whale]

That's possible yeah

[charred nimbus]

Yeah, that's problaby true actually

I mean, Runt says that actually

He doesn't say he hatched late

but could be implied

[fading shard]

it's not the actual surface

[brisk plaza]

i think so but people also assume that him hatching late is also why hes a runt— so less so born a runt and moreso underfed, although alot of late births/hatching are naturally more complicated and can lead to any spawn being smaller or misformed

[fading shard]

https://tenor.com/view/its-not-peter-i-want-you-back-it-is-not-not-the-case-gif-24853544

I'm sorry you had to find out this way alba

[fickle lion]

Anyone know why Hornet just kinda stares at Lace?

[whole holly]

so true, and refers other people who disagree as morons lol

[charred nimbus]

I mean, the whole ordeal with Runt, and that's something you see in his needolin dialogue, is that he states that he's small because he couldn't feed, but he also says that he'll grow when he eats

And be like his brothers

[fading shard]

She just saw her siblings what do you expect

[charred nimbus]

She saw her siblings who saved her and then she wakes up next to a crazy thing laughing at the situation after almost destroying this entire kingdom

...

[charred nimbus]

But now i'll be with this thing in my head, the fact that Runt is getting a full brood banquet for his own

[fading shard]

Screw lace honestly

[charred nimbus]

Guys. i'm not sure if i was the only one

I watched alot of Mossbag silksong videos before the game launched

There was a video where mossbag states that we would be fighting a trio of scholars

I legit tought that was gonna be the bossfight that would give me the threefold melody achievment because of the 3 symbols

And in the end they were just random ass mobs that wandered the choral chambers

😭

[fading shard]

trio of scholars what

when did he say that?

[brisk plaza]

trueing!!

[brisk plaza]

TEAH WITH SNIPE (?)

THE GUY WITH THE WHIP NOSE AND THEY WERE THE SAME COLOR AS JINN

i feel like a gacha game leak watcher who got disappointed when the leaks i saw were wrong despise the leak not being confirmed /silly

[frank dove]

They are in love

[frank dove]

*sharpe

And yes, they are both steel bugs which serve void as has been confirmed in both games

Sharpe is prob gonna be in dlc

[frank dove]

I think this was scrapped for another idea, the 3 images with that are all normal enemies in the whispering vaults

[vestal swan]

"great now I have to adopt my aunt who is eternally a child"

[charred nimbus]

They were showing a image of the cloak user enemies that you see in Choral chambers

But they assumed it was a boss trio

And i kinda felt for it ngl

Then i assumed it was the boss that was gonna give me the threefold melody achievment

[graceful basin]

Why are the snail shamans in Silksong so connected to the void if the Snail Shaman in HK says that their kind never messed with it?

[silk dirge]

that mossbag pre release video was so silly

[vestal swan]

Same species different family

[silk dirge]

like before silksong released did none of us think moorwing was a boss?

[graceful basin]

wouldn't "kind" imply that it's his species?

[vestal swan]

Except that clearly didn't apply to the other one so?

[graceful basin]

"That scream? Ooohh, distorted in such a way... it's not within the skills of us snails to do such a thing. Wherever you draw this new power from, it's not a place my kind ever thought to look."

snail shaman, after acquiring abyssal shriek

[vestal swan]

They explicitly separated themselves from the void

[graceful basin]

true

[charred nimbus]

Don't a snail shaman body in the first game give you a void upgraded abilitie tho?

[graceful basin]

true
actually what the hell is up with that
is the Snail Shaman just lying out of his ass

[vestal swan]

I think it doesn't mean they're species or family and is talking about the fact that they are part of the ancient civ, unless Im misremembering the dialogue there's wiggle room for this

[fading shard]

two snail shamans

give you void upgraded abilities

[vestal swan]

They give you the knowledge to add your own void to it

Absorbing random bug bodies gives you knowledge

[fading shard]

I guess

prove me wrong

[graceful basin]

when you break the crystal that holds the shaman who gives you the Descending Dark spell, a bunch of void particles flow out of the shaman and into you

[sinful nimbus]

They ain't part of the ancient civilization

[sinful nimbus]

Black doesn't mean void

[graceful basin]

the knight turns into the shade form for a split second while they're absorbing it

[spark valve]

they aren't made of void, silksong makes it now the case that they are interested in the void as a source of power but they're still not made of the stuff nor did the ones in hallownest ever do shit with it

[royal elbow]

We see the big bug that gives you the shade cloak. It's not a snail.
Snail shamans might have been part of the ancient civilisation, but they exist independently of it.

[vestal swan]

And every time they cast the new upgraded spell?

[edgy nebula]

the void spells are the knight fusing the shaman’s creations with their own power, i feel like the power they get from the shamans is what allows them to do that

[vestal swan]

I'm not saying the shamans were exclusively the entire civilization I'm saying the ancestor that we absorb in silksong would have been AC and taught his descendants those spells

I also think that's what the temple was dedicated to

[sinful nimbus]

...how would Hornet know this

[vestal swan]

They assume she's supposed to know a lot of shit

But I mean the writing is literally on the walls

[gentle aspen]

same way she knew lifeblood was bad and also an infection

[vestal swan]

Literally there's like spell ingredients on the wall

[foggy fractal]

hey guys

[vestal swan]

Howdy

[edgy nebula]

hi andy

[graceful basin]

does that type of knowledge come from her time at the Pale Court?

[sinful nimbus]

Okay but she knows them to be snail shamans and doesn't know them to be AC

[fading shard]

you m,ean the pale king?

[sinful nimbus]

So it makes more sense to attribute this quality to the snail shamans and not their non-existent AC heritage

[fading shard]

also lifeblood isn't an infection

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah shamans cast spells cuh

[fading shard]

it's a damn parasitic substance

[vestal swan]

Where does she make the distinction that she's talking about snails and not the civilization

[sinful nimbus]

That's not an AC thing

[fading shard]

there is a difference between a INFECTION

and a substance that is parasitic in nature

[vestal swan]

Lifeblood isn't infection, it's an addiction

One that can mutate you

[fading shard]

lifeblood uses its consumers as vessels to spread

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet has not known the AC in the past

Also the idea that they are AC is completely baseless but the idea that they are Snail Shamans is not

[fading shard]

How the hell would the guy we absorb in silksong to get the snail shaman crest be part of the ancient civilization

[vestal swan]

That's not really what it's shown to do? We have one person who shared it around, and one lunatic scientist who injected himself.
The mutated creatures aren't really spreading it to other creatures they're killing stuff

[frail steeple]

Oh dear lord, this reads like an anime title 💀 💀 💀 💀

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet says its reminiscent of the infection of Hallownest so the comparison isn't entirely without ground

But this is only relevant when you want to slander Team Cherry's writing

[fading shard]

wdym by that T_T

[sinful nimbus]

Well it doesn't impact much other than that

[fading shard]

Wdym relavent if you want to slander team cherys writing what

[gentle aspen]

No

[fading shard]

Wdym star T_T

[sinful nimbus]

Like in the "Wow they did the same thing twice for no reason" sense

[fading shard]

the life blood liquid isn't the same thing though

there is a huge distinction

lifeblood is a parasitic substance

[sinful nimbus]

Yes but there is a comparison to be made

[fading shard]

that spreads via a persons corpse

[gentle aspen]

In my home caves, when once this substance was allowed to flourish, I saw similar aberrations. This is wonder tainted strong with revulsion.
she says she saw something similar in her home which is assumedly where she got the information from

[fading shard]

spreading the seeds further

[fading shard]

When does she say this?

[edgy barn]

Journal entry for the plasmidas I believe.

Plasmidas are the big infected worms

[fading shard]

oh right I forgot about that

[fading shard]

also I remember my reaction to this

and that was when tf did deepnest let the substance flourish

We barely see any lifeblood in deepnest

[vestal swan]

None of the seeds come out of anybody's corpse, cocoons are formed by infecting plant life and growing from there

[sinful nimbus]

Herrah upscale

[fading shard]

Joni

the biggest concentration of lifeblood is around jonis goddamn dead corpse

[edgy barn]

Doesn't Deepnest have two cacoons as opposing to most areas which have one at most?

[fading shard]

Wdym no????? we literally see the most life blood in hallownest next to their corpse

[fading shard]

I mean most areas have zero but yeah

but two is barely anything

[vestal swan]

Hornet remembering the lifeblood epidemic doesn't even make sense, if it was allowed to flourish and big cocoons are part of the last stage, why was there no mutations when there was already like 13 cocoons across the kingdom? Meanwhile Pharloom has like three cocoons and like 15 mutations

[vestal swan]

It doesn't mean it came from her and it's not growing out of her corpse

[sinful nimbus]

I'm gonna say it

retcon

[fading shard]

A lifeblood epidemic makes no sense

and I'm pretty sure it is referring to very specifically deepnest

[vestal swan]

I think hornet was just high on gulka venom, there was no mutations

[fading shard]

because the pale king outlawed all lifeblood usage

[vestal swan]

The king did not outlaw it it was labeled as a taboo

If it was outlawed we wouldn't have found cocoons everywhere it would have been swept up and destroyed before he ran away and hid

[sinful nimbus]

Well it could always come back like a weed

[fading shard]

Okay first off everywhere????????

[vestal swan]

True but, the way it's treated like a taboo and not a crime shows that the authority figures did not intervene

[sinful nimbus]

"when this substance was allowed to flourish" implies it stopped being allowed to flourish at some point

[trim prairie]

literally scattered

[drifting apex]

when we bind the strength of a weaver to us when we go to those weaver statues do we kill the weavers sealed in those statues to get new abilities? im in mid act 2

[sinful nimbus]

yeah

[vestal swan]

There's like a lifeblood cocoon in every area of the game except for the abyss? There's even one in howling cliffs right

[fading shard]

almost all lifeblood caccoons are in one area AT MOST

[fading shard]

Yeah 1

Idk how you consider one at most to be everywhere

[sinful nimbus]

It is sure flourishing in Joni's Repose

[drifting apex]

what is this area where we go sometimes when we kill a weaver?

[fading shard]

What one life blood caccoon in crossroads

[sinful nimbus]

Kinda spoilers but its ||a memory||

You'll learn more as you progress further in the game

[fading shard]

one in fungal wastes

behind a damn wall

[edgy barn]

Only Ancestral Mound, King's Pass, Greenpath, Fog Canyon and Deepnest have lifeblood cacoons.

[drifting apex]

alr

[ancient sinew]

I think it’s another of SS’ copious inconsistencies

[fading shard]

actually there is one behind a wall in mantis lords area

[vestal swan]

That doesn't sound like the right amount, you can get like 32 lifeblood masks?

[fading shard]

no

not even close

[gentle aspen]

as usual

[fading shard]

and you have to have jonis blessing

[edgy barn]

Oh, I just booted up HK and began counting them in the map. I guess I just never found it.

[fading shard]

and all the other life blood charm

[fading shard]

But you are right about that

like with respect there are VERY few life blood caccons

and the areas the pale king governed a lot in basically don't have any at all

[fading shard]

So against where tf are all these life blood caccoons that are meant to be "EVERYWHRE'

EVERYWHERE??????????

[gentle aspen]

lifeblood cocoons aren’t even indicative of the infected state

[fading shard]

I even looked up a hollow knight complet map

and there are barely any to none in most areas

and again all pale king governed areas have ZERO

[fading shard]

most of them are in outside tribes not related to hallownest

[spark valve]

Joni’s repose isn’t lifeblood being allowed to flourish apparently

[fading shard]

yeah idk wtf a weapon to surpass metal is talking about

[vestal swan]

You can get 19 just from cocoons and that's not all the locations, for some reason I can't screenshot the wiki

[gentle aspen]

I mean, it’s the closest we get

But the fauna of the area isn’t even affected

well the area doesn’t have any so moot point

[fading shard]

yeah and the other ones are in goddamn kingdoms edge

[vestal swan]

Ok?

[fading shard]

and one behind the mantis lords wall

[fading shard]

Again not pale king governed areas T_T

So what are you talking about, with life blood 'everywhere"

[vestal swan]

Pk governed areas: the city, his palace

[vestal swan]

All the corners of the region

[fading shard]

crossroads?

the crystal peaks?

also none of those have lifeblood

[finite cave]

do we have a weaver spire statue of weaver atla?

[vestal swan]

Peaks has its own things growing on shit

[fading shard]

they are not bloody lifeblood

[brisk plaza]

i thought crystal peak did have a lifeblood cocoon

or am i thinking of the wrong snail shaman

[edgy barn]

It doesn't I just checked the wiki

[finite cave]

or does anybody just like

have all the weaver spires and who we can assume rhey are i want to try and illustrate each of the weavers who formed the nests

[edgy barn]

Ancestral Mound is the one that has a cocoon.

[frank dove]

My question is why do we go here after bell beast

[brisk plaza]

thank you

[fading shard]

Freaking hive doesn't have one either

and either does the fungal wastes

[finite cave]

tysm

[fading shard]

most of them are in kingdoms edge, deepnest

and kings pass/howling cliffs

the ancestral ground has one and so does a BREAKABLE WALL area in the mantis lords boss room

[finite cave]

since she couldnt be haunted maybe the silk which didnt bind her like

took residence within her?? idk but like it got stored up

[fading shard]

is that really a lot of life blood

cause to me it sure as hell doesn't seem to be

[lone folio]

Imagine if traitor lord was hiding it

[frank dove]

Ye good point

[fading shard]

hell the mantis lord one doesn't even count as that's a hidden one

[lone folio]

It sounds like a very traitor lordy thing to do

[finite cave]

since silkhearts are likely made from alot of silk being bundled up

(unravelled)

i sound insane idk

[vestal swan]

Did you read what I said

[frank dove]

Speaking of bell beast I saw a photo showing something from hk that looked just like a really old bellbeast

[finite cave]

ehhh

there are alot of statues which look like old bell beasts

lots of weird dead things

[frank dove]

#sk-help message this is def not a coincidence

[finite cave]

do you know where each of these are from (location wise)

sorry to bother

[wet shadow]

Dirtcarvers also kinda look like tiny bell beasts

[finite cave]

ehhh it looks like one imo

[lone folio]

Ehh idk it's face shape is a bit too different

[fading shard]

you said originally life blood was everywhere

then you said after I disputed that and showcased how little of it actually there is you said in every corner

[frosty gate]

Whats the topic

[frank dove]

Maybe they just tried to make it cuter in silksong so people could have a fav npc that doesn't canonically die

[fading shard]

lifeblood being basically outlawed by the pale king

and me showcasing how little of it there actually is

as the main life blood sources are in the howling cliffs, deepnest and kingdoms edge

[lone folio]

If anything it was inspired by the corpse

[finite cave]

maybe joni drank up all the lifeblood after pk vanished and when she died it started to take root in hallownest again

[frank dove]

Well yes not unlikely

[fading shard]

with one being in the ancestal mound which is the territory of that one snail shaman and one in a breakable wall in the mantis lords area and greenpath

[frosty gate]

No, Joni died before Hallownests fall

[frank dove]

But is that not proving they are supposed to be the same species

[finite cave]

oh alrighty

[frosty gate]

I don't think it was particularly Outlward but it was seens as "Heretical"

[finite cave]

atleast she got to enjoy her drug addiction before it became illegal

[frank dove]

Relatable

[edgy barn]

Starting from upper left:
-Sharp Dart (Believed to be Karn)
-Cling Grip (Believed to be Keelal)
-Clawline
-Silk Spear (Believed to be Camora)
-Silk Soar (Believed to be Absolom)
-Swift Step (Believed to be Cindril)
-Rune Rage (First Sinner)

[fading shard]

though I think we can agree the pale king tried his best to remove it

[finite cave]

tysm

[frosty gate]

Actually, what Zyolotl made it a drug, that shit doesn't seem to be actually drugs

[fading shard]

like if you look at it all lifeblood is basically in the corners of the map

[frank dove]

Thought it was called shardpart am I slow

[fading shard]

hidden far away

[frank dove]

Do I have dyslexia or smtn

[fading shard]

and then there's greenpath

but that's greenpath so

[finite cave]

the names of the weavenests are the weaver names or whatever

[frank dove]

The skill

[frosty gate]

I guess so? There's not much proof of on either side, but I believe he doesn't like the thing.

[fading shard]

I mean context wise it'd make sens

[finite cave]

NEW THEORY!! what if pk outlawed lifeblood because he was walking around kingdoms edge after he shed his big form and couldnt reach the lifeblood in kingdoms edge

[vestal swan]

It's not a little amount
My point is, which I already said, Pharloom has like 3 cocoons and is full on mutating things. Hollownest has 4 times as much

[frank dove]

No way it is sharpdart

I actually can't read

[frosty gate]

Yeah because Pharloom didn't have a Source for it

[edgy barn]

Also I just realized Thread Storm is missing from the image. We have no clue who she could be.

[frank dove]

I went went through the whole game calling it shardpart

[finite cave]

alrighty ty

[frosty gate]

Like, Lifeblood was clearly there when PK arrived

[fading shard]

the research guy said he found a small amount of it in a far area of pharloom

a riverbank if I recall

[frosty gate]

It just spread throughout the caves

[frosty gate]

A shore I believe, but yeah you gotta take in mind that Weapon believes that means Sands of Karak

[fading shard]

i being sands of karak is doubtful

[edgy barn]

Salty waters near the edge of pharloom.

[fading shard]

especially when that place got ruined a long time ago

[fading shard]

is it that place?

[chilly gyro]

Ok, so just to clarify, has anyone figured out if the little “tail” thing on the back of Shakra’s outfit is an actual tail/stinger, or just a peace of clothing used for flair?

[frank dove]

So coral bugs were so strong bc they were all high?

[fading shard]

No the sands of karak thing makes no sense

[edgy barn]

You mean if it is karak?

[frank dove]

😢

[fading shard]

yah

[frosty gate]

There's no chance its that, it was probably near the shore outside of the Kingdom, beyond Karak

"Highly unlikely! The grey and barren soil of the mainland could never produce something as singular as this, and that is undisputable fact!
Plasmium was discovered by my master at the farthest edge of Pharloom, hidden deep in salt-stricken waters. I brought it to these caves under her direction, to study how it flourishes in a foreign place."

We weren't talking about Lifeblood then though, I was making an argument that Pharloom could be in an island of sorts

[frank dove]

YO WAIT THIS MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT THE CUT AREA

[fading shard]

yup

[frank dove]

CONFIRMED IN DLC????

[fading shard]

you mean the barnicle area

[edgy barn]

Doutful. Karak was a river and those are freshwater. Karak also dried up a long time ago.

[frank dove]

There was a vid on it, it is called pharloom bay and it was near bilewater in far right

[fading shard]

Exactly

thank you

[fading shard]

so I was right that was the area you were talking about

[frosty gate]

If anything it had to be Bilewater's edge.
Bilewater literally has Salt Caves

[vestal swan]

Salt striken waters could easily be any of the water areas before pollution except Verdania, or the Pale lake.

[frank dove]

And 'her' might mean the hermit crab

[frank dove]

Yes

[edgy barn]

That's the thing tho, Zylotol thinks "Plasmium" is a recent discovery.

[frank dove]

But it is just starting so prob more modern

[vestal swan]

Nothing about karak says freshwater, just an ever flowing river

[fading shard]

what about the utopia place

[fading shard]

The plasmium was a recent discovery in pharloom T_T

[vestal swan]

He could have been in his cave playing with lifeblood for ages with none of the changes happening until after the region starts shaking up

[fading shard]

so idk how that makes any sense

[frosty gate]

It could be, but we don't see any Lifeblood anywhere else in Pharloom

[frank dove]

I thought he said something about arriving recently maybe I am wrong

[fading shard]

you are not wrong

it is said to be recent T_T

[frank dove]

Guys just ask tc they will respond

[vestal swan]

What does he say

[frosty gate]

It really didn't, it just looks recent

[spring escarp]

How long did team cherry take to release the first DLC last time?

[fading shard]

oh

[frank dove]

6-7 years
/j

[vestal swan]

8 months iirc

[fading shard]

a few months

[frosty gate]

We really need an AMA

[frank dove]

Wait that was how long it took for silksong to come out

[spring escarp]

Make it 16 months then

[fading shard]

it was earlier then that

[spring escarp]

I can wait, that's jazzy.

Make it 2 years I can wait more team cherry.

[edgy barn]

rivers are freshwater precisely because they are constantly flowing and carrying away the sediments insteads of allowing them to accumulate like it happens in the oceans.

[frank dove]

16-17 months

[foggy fractal]

like 6 months

[spring escarp]

Make it one year then

[fading shard]

the first dlc came out in august

[fading shard]

yup 6 months

[frosty gate]

And the game came around the beginning of the year

[spring escarp]

But was is a meaty and volumous dlc or a weak ass dlc

[fading shard]

came out in february

[spring escarp]

What was it

[edgy barn]

It was Hidden Dreams.

[spring escarp]

what it change

[foggy fractal]

Hidden Dreams 3rd August 2017
The Grimm Troupe 26th October 2017
Lifeblood 20th April 2018
Godmaster 23rd August 2018

[fading shard]

and the august release date of the dlc was in august 3

[frosty gate]

The Dream Bosses and what else?

[spring escarp]

Hidden dreams? So like dream bosses? Resting grounds?

[fading shard]

Correcto

[foggy fractal]

wiki it

[spring escarp]

They will probably release the godmaster first right?

[covert tusk]

It added GPZ and White Defender

[spring escarp]

They know we are down bad

[covert tusk]

Why would they if they’re planning on adding new bosses anyway?

[edgy barn]

+Dreamgate

[spring escarp]

they can change the godmastering alter

hornet dlc was after godmaster so they would have to figure out still

[fading shard]

what godseeker is there left

[fading shard]

And how would a simillar thing to the pantheons be added

[spring escarp]

It doesnt need to be the godsekers per se

[fading shard]

hornet doesn't have dream nail

[edgy barn]

Doesn't have to involve a godseeker.

[covert tusk]

Hornet was planned to just be a new playable character in the same game at first, not an entirely new game which it then became, so no they wouldn’t have had to think about it

[spring escarp]

maybe it is just a picnic and all bosses are together

[fading shard]

well what other option is there

[frosty gate]

I hope it isn't Godseekers tho

[fading shard]

the memory thing won't work

[spring escarp]

why the fuck would i want to replay hallownest with a different chsrscther tho

[edgy barn]

... something new?

Like TC can certainly come up with something

[fading shard]

it was meant to give new lore about hallownest

[frosty gate]

Hear me out

[spring escarp]

hm

[fading shard]

and new areas

[cedar owl]

the wiki has some really cool page themes that go underused because they're tied to a dlc
the lifeblood theme is used in like 3 pages and it's my favorite

[spring escarp]

Siljsing much cooler and sick and nice

[spring escarp]

then defiently there would be new bosses

[fading shard]

Honestly I to a degree wish the dlc thing stayed

[fading shard]

for hallownest

[spring escarp]

Nah we eating good

[fading shard]

no offence but I wish hallownest was explored more

[frosty gate]

We could get a "Puppeteer" who just makes Hornet relive her battles in Pharloom

[fading shard]

pharloom is a boring place

[spring escarp]

Hallownest backtrack dlc

[spring escarp]

take that back

[fading shard]

I won't because it's true

[spring escarp]

It fake

[finite cave]

i hope we get a hidden dreams dlc first

[spring escarp]

[fading shard]

most of the game is just a long pilgramige

[spring escarp]

hidden memories

[fading shard]

and the rest of pharloom is just being in a big city of tears

[finite cave]

maybe scrapped areas can appear

[spring escarp]

Awesome

[frosty gate]

I'm telling you, Memories of Sin DLC trust

[fading shard]

I love silksong

[vestal swan]

This was my idea before the game came out, but now we just have to have trobbio dress up as all the bosses

[spring escarp]

hole shit the neighbour food is smelling AWESONE

i kust aks for piece ima knock their door

[fading shard]

TROBBIO being all the bosses would be funny

[vestal swan]

TRObiOOOOOOOOOO*

[rugged storm]

and if you needolin them, they have new dialogue

"the purity of fireworks"

[fading shard]

how would that work

[spring escarp]

Good I want the neighbours food so bad.

[finite cave]

maybe there could be a weaver or something who wants to make pharloom live longer by ' harmonizing ' pharloom's beasts which can only be obtained if hornet fights aforementioned beasts

like the godtuner but it has cool music instead of magic god stuff

[spring escarp]

Maybe but

gow would they revive dead beasts

[finite cave]

memory

[spring escarp]

How would this harmonize beasts

if they dead already

[rugged storm]

evil nuu puts the bosses together. WAIT, AN ARCHITECT MAKES COGWORK VERSIONS

[finite cave]

fight them agaib magic thingamajig boom 🥶🥶 all jokes aside it's just a weird concept

[spring escarp]

Isn't onio thr #2 fan of the sentienel?

[finite cave]

the godtuner amplifies the void within the knight maybe the harmonizer puts hornet's silk in prime form or whatever

[spring escarp]

No such a thing as second #1

[cedar owl]

no, onion is a no1 fan

[spring escarp]

Oh I have an idea

[finite cave]

😭😭

[spring escarp]

memorium

Could have a boss section

[rugged storm]

guy second sentinel can't even drifter's cloak or attack like primal aspid, so weak

[finite cave]

maybe the magic weaver feller could have been hiding there

[spring escarp]

And idk maybe strange bosses could eb movie projections

[finite cave]

but the memory reawakens the beasts which hornet binds to get crests

so theyre p5 bosses (pantheons could also be called melodies or symphonies maybe)

[spring escarp]

wait you think the prize

will be more crests?

lame

[finite cave]

no

no prize

except from an ending

[spring escarp]

I want prizes

I want a special move that lets me move behind the background wall.

[edgy barn]

-Ancestral Shaman
-Twisted Witch Greyroot
-First Architect
-Primal Beastfly
-(No idea what to name the Reaper or the Wanderer)
-Eva (stand-in for the Hunter crest)

[finite cave]

vespa

vespa for hunter

[spring escarp]

New crests are so lame

[finite cave]

no new crests

[spring escarp]

I didn't even use the ones i got

[spring escarp]

upgrades too

[finite cave]

no

[edgy barn]

I just want some way to play as weaver queen hornet.

[finite cave]

no rewars😭😭 godhome has no reward

[spring escarp]

You can with a glitch

[finite cave]

inf silk glitch

[spring escarp]

land of storms

Bench

[whole holly]

i was reminded of no new wars real quick

[finite cave]

i mean ig that but

[edgy barn]

I know about the glitch but I want like, the unique crest and stuff.

[spring escarp]

gex appearance

[finite cave]

i was thinking like

actual ingame bonus

[spring escarp]

she would be too damn OP to have a game

Like binding of Isaac but you show up with all upgrades.

[finite cave]

also i thought you bound a chorus to get architect

[deft tendon]

true

[edgy barn]

It's weird. The chorus' head does dissapear, but Hornet doesn't bind the head, she binds a thing on the ground.

[ivory yacht]

if pale mother silk can control choristers enough to kidnap weavers, why didnt she just stop pharloom from singing the silksong keeping her caged?

[finite cave]

its eyes also glow maybe an architect tried to pilot a chorus or fuse with it but it went ham and that thing had a remnant of the architect (speculation ofc)

[deft tendon]

anyone notice how a handful of npcs/bosses are named with ordinal numbers?

first sinner, second sentinel, fourth chorus, twelfth architect

[finite cave]

like in evangelion when the pilot can be absorbed into the eva if their sync rate goes too high

[whole holly]

she needed powerful weaver to wake up i think

[deft tendon]

and technically last judge?

[smoky haven]

is the abyss common for all kingdoms? I don't get it

[edgy barn]

Like, what is even that?

[finite cave]

maybe the architect bonded into the chorus so much they fused

which would make an awesome boss

[whole holly]

Reaper and Wanderer are most interesting for me

[whole holly]

Reaper's moveset is so similar to Grimm's

[smoky haven]

does like every kingdom have its own abyss I'm so confusedd

[smoky haven]

that dash slash...

[whole holly]

i think so, which makes me think, what is at the absolute highest you can go even

[smoky haven]

maybe every kingdom is connected to the surface

[whole holly]

yeah, so true

[smoky haven]

we just don't get to see it in the first game idk

[whole holly]

Reaper is best crest but i am using architect as long as i have shard in game

[spring escarp]

Just realized that killing thieves with a money gun is quite poetic in justice.

[whole holly]

you can cheese everything

[spring escarp]

Rosary cannon that is.

[deft tendon]

anyone?

[fading shard]

Okay here's a fun debate for you guys

Could the pale king beat grand mother silk in a 1v1

Zza what do you think

[whole holly]

yes, they represent what number they are of their category, First Sinner was first to go against GMS

[edgy barn]

The first DLC should allow you to throw a bomb into grindle's den thing and kill all the snitchflies forever

[deft tendon]

what ab the others

[whole holly]

i don't know, he didn't fight radiance oh his own, we never see him fight

[fading shard]

He didn't have the ability to fight her

as she was in the dream realm

he couldn't access her if he wanted too

[rugged storm]

wait guys I'm so stupid, I just realized gms is literally using silk to pull up those cradle spike platforms as obstacles

I thought she just materialized spikes

😭

[whole holly]

Second Sentinel and Fourth Chorus are most likely Second and Fourth to be made, i don't know about twelfth architect

[spring escarp]

wtf even are these

As opposed to ghost spikes?

[whole holly]

so was he, white palace is in dream realm

[fading shard]

I don't think you realize that the way to access the radiance in fighting her

would be impossible for him

[deft tendon]

we dont even know if he CAN fight

[fading shard]

.....We do

He trained the pure vessel

and was said to be stronger then the five great knights combined

[edgy barn]

Assuming GMS was stronger in the past, I am not really sure. PK certainly had a lot of raw power and physical might (Hornet gets hers from him after all and she's only half wyrm), but we don't really know how we would fight or what kind of things he would be able to pull off in a dire situation.

[deft tendon]

source? id remeber this ngl

[whole holly]

how did he get to white palace and why can't he apply same to radiance's domain?

[whole holly]

we never seen him fight

[fading shard]

Well he has basically all the pure vessels atacks

as he taught it them so isn't that at least a few?

[smoky haven]

I like to think second sentinel is a nod to hornet's second boss fight being called hornet sentinel in hk

[whole holly]

fine to have as headcanon tbh

[fading shard]

nevermind I am blind

[rugged storm]

First Sinner, Second sentinel, fourth chorus, last judge

[fading shard]

I sent something stupid

I am blind to what you said T_T

[smoky haven]

no problem lol

[whole holly]

why is it impossible for him, can you tell me?

[smoky haven]

first sinner is the first one who rebelled against gms (I think), second sentinel I just said it, fourth chorus is the fourth to be made I guess, last judge is the last judge you face before the citadel

[rugged storm]

ye

[fading shard]

accessing the radiances domain requires very specific conditions

[rugged storm]

Hold up, I know it's fore, but fourbrothers signis and gron

[fading shard]

and you need the dream nail for it

[smoky haven]

Actually I think it's FORGEbrothers

[whole holly]

but he did get to white palace in dream realm so can't he apply same methods?

[smoky haven]

either that or I'm dyslexic

[rugged storm]

forebrothers

[smoky haven]

nevermind I'm dyslexic

[rugged storm]

but that actually makes sense cause forge daughter

[fading shard]

He transported the actual white palace into his own dream realm location

and we know it's his own doing because of the dream particles being white

[smoky haven]

EXACTLY I automatically read them as forge ;-;

[fading shard]

as we see different types such as green ones for unn, red for the nightmare heart and orange and yellow for the radiance

[fading shard]

that doesn't mean they can access one another

[smoky haven]

unn is so so underrated

I love seeing peaceful higher beings

[fading shard]

The only other peaceful higher being that we know of is the pale king

[whole holly]

what prevents him from transporting himself to radiance then? he clearly can transport himself in dream realm.

[whole holly]

what did Unn do?

[fading shard]

unn created the mosskin from her "dream"

and we see green dream particles near unn

[covert tusk]

That’s what the DLC for Hornet was gonna be bro I didn’t come up with it 😭

[whole holly]

i meant what did she do, not to be peaceful like pale king is?

[spring escarp]

lame

[fading shard]

I meant both are peaceful

I meant the only OTHER peaceful higher being we know of is the pale king

I forgot to add that in my mistake

[whole holly]

you only mentioned PK, that's why i said it

[whole holly]

it's okay

[spark barn]

Hey, did anyone notice that the sound at the end of the twisted child ending was the exact same as NKG breaking out of the nighmare heart in HK

[smoky haven]

he wasn't EXACTLY a saint yk

[whole holly]

sad to see he sacrificed thousands of children to die

[spark barn]

and with the roots and all its seems to match

[smoky haven]

but yeah he's definitely better than glamma silk and raddie

[whole holly]

mass infanticide

[rocky tulip]

Am I the only one or is master Wu similar to shakra and his tribe?

[fading shard]

his only bad act is the infantcide

He was a good king, husband and guy all around

the infection pushed him into a trolley problem

[whole holly]

Radiance wasn't violent before Pale King

[smoky haven]

I wouldn't call someone who discards his kids peaceful

[whole holly]

with same logic , Rad's only crime is infection

[fading shard]

That was literally to save his kingdom

[fading shard]

................

[smoky haven]

okay I'm just saying what he did to save his kingdom (look where THAT got him) isn't exactly peaceful

[spark barn]

with the intention of living as a god for herself, the pale king was not egocentric, he just made sacrifice

[whole holly]

things were better before his arrival, than after his death

[fading shard]

the radiance did it out of being a spiteful jackass

[covert tusk]

Oh my god we’re still on this 💔

[fading shard]

the pale king did it as a personal sacrifice idk what your point here is

[covert tusk]

The block button people the block button

[smoky haven]

what a pick me am I right

[fading shard]

Back me up here man T_T

[covert tusk]

Bro no he’s being dense I’m not talking to that thing 😭

[fading shard]

don't let me be in this debate alone

[covert tusk]

Well it became Silksong so I can’t complain lmao, I woulda found it fun either way tho so maybe I am lame

[fading shard]

the radiances actions was infecting an entire region

[fading shard]

making people suffer for her own spitefull ass

[whole holly]

1. radiance wanted to survive to extent

[fading shard]

and taking over peoples minds and mutilating their bodies

[covert tusk]

You can just block Nika bro
I don’t think someone who thinks the word Moron is a slur, is exactly someone you should be fighting in debate

[fading shard]

wanting to survive does not equate to the infection

There were millions of ways they could have went about this

[covert tusk]

“Abhikerrrrrr, use me Abhikerrrrrrr”

[fading shard]

hell even if that was the case that whole reasoning goes out the window when the infection went on to infect every faction that had nothing to do with her being forgotten

[whole holly]

omg i swear to god, just stop making me out to be some kind of boogeyman, "bro is so dense even though i don't have argument to disprove him i am gonna insult his intelligence , because i have to project my unintelligence onto him"

[fading shard]

she could have went on to only infect the moth tribe if this was only "for survival"

and hell you can't say she wanted revenge on hallownest aswell

because it was ruled by the pale king

because she went on to screw over the mosskin who had nothing to do with this

deepnest, the hive and mantis tribe

So idk what your point here is

All of this equates to being a spiteful jackass

[covert tusk]

The block buttonnnnnnnnn

[whole holly]

we don't know how infection spread, she is pretty immoral but so is pale king, i am just saying ends justify means logic should apply proportionately to both

[fading shard]

What immoral actions did the pale king commit

all of his are said to be a trolly problem

[covert tusk]

The block buttonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[whole holly]

infanticide

spamming is insane

[fading shard]

..............you mean the action that was done to save the kingdom

[covert tusk]

THE BLOCK BUTTONNNN

[fading shard]

And all factions unrelated to it

[covert tusk]

ITS RIGHT THEREEEEEE

[whole holly]

it still counts dude

[fading shard]

you mean the thing that the smartest bug mind Monomon agreed to

[fading shard]

Circumstances matter

manslaughter is a thing for a reason

[fading shard]

we know how the infection spread it was literally told by us

[whole holly]

Pale King could have left hallownest altogether and things would go back as it was most likely

[fading shard]

" justify means logic should apply proportionately to both" does not work

[fading shard]

No that would not be the case wtf are you talking about

[whole holly]

i mean where it started, moth tribe or all bugs

[covert tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/iwata-reggie-fight-smash-bros-super-smash-bros-gif-13259142

[fading shard]

the radiance did not care about spiting the pale king

[whole holly]

things were normal before him