sk-lore

[devout echo]

Yea for sure I guess sherma is the basically leader now and he’s “pure of sin”

[slow olive]

Herrah in the memory seems to want hornet to follow her own path and even tells her to ignore what the other weavers want her to do

[devout echo]

Interesting so I’m wondering what her motive was then

[slow olive]

Not seems actually, she straight up tells that to her in the memory

[devout echo]

If not to save pharloom why would she go to sleep eternally to birth hornet

[vestal swan]

The whole sin thing was just sketchy organized religion controlling the people, I mean it might matter for Sherma but it's not going to affect anything

[split path]

more weaver than wyrm ahh

[devout echo]

I guess I’m confused then why she gave her life up

[vestal swan]

Because it's really hard for them to have kids so she was taking the best opportunity she had

Weavers are cursed

[devout echo]

Yea I saw not impossible but very difficult. But having children implies to carry on weaver line / save their homeland

[vestal swan]

Not really no

Not everybody that has a kid is trying to railroad that kid into a specific path in life

[slow olive]

U could make the theory that thats what herrah wanted when she proposed that to pk, but based on what she says when hornet is born i doubt she even had that desire

[vestal swan]

You also have to remember most of the weavers just decided to run away when they could, going back and fighting her was not on the table

[devout echo]

So maybe Herrah urged her to live her own life cos herrah never got a peaceful life cos of GMS

And she would be born far from gms

[graceful grail]

Can Weavers only propagate with higher beings??

[vestal swan]

It's just very difficult for them it's not like they need a God to override it

[devout echo]

Is there a male weaver tho

[vestal swan]

No all of the weavers are female as far as we can tell

Calling each other sisters daughters etc

[graceful grail]

Kuz hornet had “mates” but we havent heard any evidence of kids

[slow olive]

Dont think so, the other cages we find show they can procreate with othwr bugs its just very difficult for them to conceive

[graceful grail]

Where

[vestal swan]

Because she is cursed and has difficulty having children

She says as much

[devout echo]

I said is ? Like a question

[vestal swan]

That was a question not a statement and the answer is no as far as we know

[devout echo]

I kinda got the vibe hornet was gay

[slow olive]

I dont think hornet even wants kids

[devout echo]

She slaps all the male characters that try to kiss her

[slow olive]

Is nuu male?

[devout echo]

A male child no

[vestal swan]

That's not suggested anywhere, it's actually suggested the opposite since she says she is also affected by the curse implying she failed to have children at one point

[devout echo]

Oh I see

[terse warren]

We stan our bisexual queen

[vestal swan]

They're all basically children to her anyway

[graceful grail]

Yarnaby is female

[terse warren]

Is Nuu a guy?

[devout echo]

So the big picture of herrah begging pk to bone is just for the chance to have a child and that’s it no bigger scheme

[slow olive]

I thought nuu's a girl tbh

[fallow sphinx]

Yarnaby didn’t try to kiss hornet she tried to experiment on her

[devout echo]

Yea I could be wrong I just know nuus a child

[graceful grail]

She was being creepy without permission

[terse warren]

Yeah more or less

And also the guy is a Wyrm which is pretty good genetics you have

[fallow sphinx]

Yeh I didn’t say she wasn’t

[graceful grail]

I just realised how similar these are

Nuu
Unn

[devout echo]

For sure, I just felt like with them making all the knights that herrah breeding has a higher cause. Nope

[slow olive]

Nuu had a shell right

[graceful grail]

Nuu had a backpack

[slow olive]

Like a snail shell? Or was that just a bag

[vestal swan]

Nuu is shelless and squishy

[devout echo]

Slugs both of them

[vestal swan]

Bag

[fallow sphinx]

Bag

[devout echo]

No?

[slow olive]

Oh lmao i thought she was some kind of snail

She has those snail eyestalks

[graceful grail]

She could be half slug? Unless there is difinitave reasons otherwise

[devout echo]

Slugs have those too

[gritty ruin]

Are snail shamans actual snails

[vestal swan]

The one character we see that is actually called a slug is Salubra, Unn resembles a slug to us but because she's a higher being that's not what she is, the same way radiance is not a moth. We also have snails and they don't have that similar eyestalk

[devout echo]

Does nuu have a bug type in her entry

[slow olive]

Mhm in fact i dont even remember any snail shaman even having eyestalks

[vestal swan]

I don't think Nuu has an entry

[graceful grail]

She could be the same bug as Salubra

[vestal swan]

Because they don't I just said that

[graceful grail]

Or related

[vestal swan]

They don't look similar at all?

And before you say the eyes again

There's like dozens of characters that share eyes even characters that share the same shape and positioning on six to eight eyes

And those characters have no relation

[devout echo]

On a same character but diff note is styx and then the steel soul counterpart just styx with a different mask on

[vestal swan]

We actually see what looks like a dead body though

The replacement seems to have killed them

[graceful grail]

Same but selubra is older and her eye stalks retract??

[slow olive]

It was skynx right?

[devout echo]

There’s an entire room of masks**** above his room

Could be a diffferent mask or maybe one of the huntress children

[vestal swan]

Why do people keep using a washed out version of the Nuu img???

[slow olive]

Aww i never saw nuu wearing their bag its so cute lol

[devout echo]

A slug would wear a bag that looks like a snail shell so fashionable 💕

[vestal swan]

It's not one of the huntresses children because those don't hatch until act 3, and the mask or head that is being worn is just styx but upside down

Like they ripped his head off

[devout echo]

They appear to be mantis

[graceful grail]

Huntress having children probably implies there is a father…

[devout echo]

Which makes sense if a female came and ate him

[frosty gate]

I still wonder what it means that they look alike but they're not

[vestal swan]

While those are both possible that doesn't answer the question of who's there

[graceful grail]

Skynx could be the same creature as Nosk? Mask upside down??

[frosty gate]

Like, can they ascend? Become what they are? Were they regular bugs once and became Higher Beings?

[devout echo]

I mean that new bug could be the female that ate him lol

[vestal swan]

They don't look alike ignore the washed out picture of Nuu they are bright pink

[frosty gate]

God I hate Higher Beings so much I want so much info about them

[devout echo]

Interesting

[slow olive]

Do we see skynx fully

[devout echo]

Let me see if I have a clip

[vestal swan]

Skynx being a nosk doesn't work for a ton of reasons

[frosty gate]

I meant like a Slug and a Moth, which is what they look like

[graceful grail]

Im listening

[vestal swan]

Ah

[slow olive]

If skynx were a nosk theyd just straight up attack hornet no talking needed

[devout echo]

Just a pic

[graceful grail]

Nosk in Hallownest was INFECTED of course it attacked you

[vestal swan]

For one they speak, 2 they aren't imitating somebody the target knows to trick them, they aren't completely hostile, there's no shapeshifting going on, nothing spider like is happening either

[devout echo]

I think he has multiple personality disorder

[graceful grail]

Nosk in hallownest was infected, ofcorse it was hostile

[devout echo]

And when he turns his mask upside down he is more aggressive and less passive

[vestal swan]

I think that's a valid idea here especially with the masks actually being different identities, but we see a body, Styx is very likely dead.
Another slight possibility is that they molted and they are having a severe identity crisis

[devout echo]

Yes true molting is a very bug thing

I like that idea

Esp cos the names are so close

[graceful grail]

It seems the structure above was used to BEHEAD him

[slow olive]

Skynx sounds like skin too

[charred nimbus]

Styx is the biggest mystery for me in this game, like, some people think he's dead, some people(like me) think he's just Skynx with more personality disorder, and also, WHAT IS UP WITH HIS HYPERFIXIATION ON THE HUNTRESS?

[frosty gate]

Styx was already headless

[slow olive]

So styx molting is a neat theory

Headless? I thought he just switches masks

[graceful grail]

Only in steel soul,

[devout echo]

That’s the funny part to me he’s very passive and like simpy and then when the mask is upside down he’s aggro and alpha ish

[charred nimbus]

Because of his body on the ground

[slow olive]

Oh in steel soul mode?

[charred nimbus]

yeah

[frosty gate]

No, I mean, all the time.
If you play the Needolin in his nest he looks like he doesn't have a Head

It's just his neck without a mask

[charred nimbus]

Do you remember the dialogue that made you think that way?

[slow olive]

I mean u can barely tell with those needolin visages

[frosty gate]

Not a dialogue, i mean the literal image

[charred nimbus]

Well

[frosty gate]

I just can't find it, it's not in his wiki for some reason

[devout echo]

I can go there today and record him

I’ve been making videos of all the dialogues

[graceful grail]

Was this used to chop his head off??

[slow olive]

The many masks in the secret room above his web implies he has a head to wear those masks at least

[charred nimbus]

Please tell me your channel name is something related to the vaultkeepers

[devout echo]

Naw I’m new to silk song and HK I fell in love two months ago

[frosty gate]

It'd be neat if you can provide a visual, I'm very sure the visage shows him Headless

[devout echo]

Autistic special interest now

[devout echo]

I’ll try to ping u when I post, I don’t want to get in trouble for promotion

[charred nimbus]

yeah, i know exactly how that feels, but my autistic hyperfixation started on Hollow knight many years ago

[devout echo]

I’m trying to not let it affect my irl and work cos all I wanna do is talk lore lol

[charred nimbus]

@devout echo I actually had a similar idea to yours, but instead of dialogue i was gonna collect and post all needolin singings

[devout echo]

And no one I know irl has played

Can I dm u?

[charred nimbus]

Sure, i don't mind

[devout echo]

I’ll show u what I’ve made so far, just to see if I should keep going

Small world, dm sent 🤣

[charred nimbus]

I think it's defintelly a good idea to keep going, it's a really nice project, even if it doesn't get much attention

[frosty gate]

Found the image, thanks Reddit

[devout echo]

But yea I have to start a fresh play thru as I just am about finished with act 3 and I started the project late

[charred nimbus]

I think this design is just to show even more that he has a identity crisis or a personality disorder

[frosty gate]

Now that i see it better, it does look like it could have a head, but you can just see a neck

[devout echo]

Looks like a little pee head

Pea*

[slow olive]

Oh lmao u saw that image too

[charred nimbus]

Yeah, just to highlight the mask thing

[frosty gate]

Could be the case, I wonder why we can't knock his mask down though. We could for Mask Maker

It annoys me the lack of Styx shit here like

No reaction from Hornet upon finding the masks.
No reaction from Styx when we go up.
It's like they just glanced uncomfortably to one another and silently said "Let's not talk about this"

[slow olive]

Judging from the needolin dialogue that could just be it lol

[frosty gate]

Hornet did not want to deal with whatever the fuck was up with Styx

[devout echo]

He seems very mentally ill to me

🤣

[fallow sphinx]

||Styx is a shapeshifter who steals the masks of bugs and there is some exclusive steelsoul content if you walk behind a wall||

[vestal swan]

That's what we're talking about and he doesn't really have anything screaming shapeshifter about him

[slow olive]

The only thing shifting for styx is his identity

[frosty gate]

Not really a Shapeshifter, he's just changing masks. Which is weird in bug society, maybe even taboo, but doesn't mean he's a shapeshifter

[silk dirge]

isnt skynx the shape shifter

[frosty gate]

I wonder if we could get a Prologue DLC where we see Pharloom before it went to hell.
I wonder who Styx was before being a crazy twink

[frosty gate]

We don't know what that thing is

It just took Styx's mask

[vestal swan]

Nothing suggests anybody is shapeshifting in Pharloom

[silk dirge]

ive seen people suggest skynx is similar to nosk

[vestal swan]

The conversation above debunked it

[frosty gate]

But we have no proof of that whatsoever

[vestal swan]

They don't really have any similarities

[frosty gate]

Aside from the Flipped mask, there's nothing to compare them

[sinful nimbus]

They both use mimicry

Skynx might not be the exact same species or whatever but they're a pretty analogous type of being

And the upside down mask seems like a pretty obvious connection

[lethal burrow]

I don't know how to do this for silk song

[random harbor]

Lore Tablet: White Palace - Path of Pain

To witness secrets sealed, one must endure the harshest punishment.

@morelorethenthereseems used /lore-tablets area: White Palace name: Path of Pain

[vestal swan]

It's not completely set up yet

We are just doing
!wiki (character name)

[sinful nimbus]

We grab dialogue from the text dump like men

[lethal burrow]

why is there so much silk around Mosshome?

[frosty gate]

Why wouldn't there be?

[lethal burrow]

there's a disproportional amount compared to other spots

see the Bell beast, being trapped, and the thick walls near the Weaver

[frosty gate]

Oh yeah, I agree with that, that was weird. Like i get it, game mechanic tutorial, teach us how to use the Spear, but we never used that again

I don't think it means anything in lore though

[vestal swan]

Bellheart was completely strung up maybe that was just the next target for complete control

[frosty gate]

Maybe Widow strung up BB?

[vestal swan]

They don't have a bell to guard so I don't think it's important enough to send widow

[frosty gate]

Fair, so just game logic for now

I think it was probably something early they thought in development and they just left it

[lethal burrow]

Well, the silk heart is there so

The other two silk hcarts are major

[fresh badger]

The absolute nobody unravelled:

[vestal swan]

Y'all want to talk about act 3 being disjointed and not thematic what the fuck were the silk hearts

[silk dirge]

they do make sense tho

they appear when you beat a boss that had a bunch of silk

bell beast was strung up in a bunch of silk

and then unraveled and lace 2 are silk beings

[steep talon]

Or bunch of silk in the air. It's also a castlevania reference, demon hearts are a thing after you beat a boss

[vestal swan]

Lace survives that though and why the fuck did they appear there, what were they doing?

And unraveled isn't really a silk being it's a bunch of corpses fusing together because of the silk in them

[steep talon]

Yee, it's not from entities that we defeat I think. It's just in the air for some reason

[slow olive]

What's making the unravelled move around if its just silk

[vestal swan]

It's a body with other bodies in it

[slow olive]

Is it ghosts?

[steep talon]

At least animation suggests silk hearts get formed

[slow olive]

Or is it just the haunting

[silk dirge]

unraveled is a bunch of silk hosted in the corpse of conductor mizello animated by the pain inside that pit

[vestal swan]

What we know as ghosts don't really do poltergeist shit so I'm ruling out ghosts

[slow olive]

In all these instances did all these silk come from GMS?

[silk dirge]

probably in some way

[slow olive]

Either intentional or not

[steep talon]

Well they are her memories and also she communicates with Hornet through them

Idk, feels like we're missing something

[slow olive]

The usual with games like this lol

[silk dirge]

i feel like its just when a bunch of silk is involved silk hearts appear

[steep talon]

True..

[vestal swan]

The silk hearts felt so out of place I literally forgot they existed until I got the second one and then I forgot again until I got the third one

[slow olive]

Theres tons of silk all over pharloom i dont think its gonna be that simple

[steep talon]

That's what I'm thinking, maybe it's even tied to those weird projections lace does at the abyss, somehow

[vestal swan]

That is a weird ability

[slow olive]

Another curious thing about them is that these silk hearts are what help hornet regain her ability to produce silk in her own shell

[dusky bay]

I wonder what's zi's lore

[silk dirge]

i feel like silk hearts exist to just make shit work out in gameplay

without silk hearts harpoon would be impossible

[dusky bay]

Like why is she in blasted steps just sand and shit till you hit her and her asking you to find the lil dude

[silk dirge]

also makes healing easier

[dapper willow]

Isnt it strange how bugs are prone to falling into obsession?

[lethal burrow]

No more than mortal men

[dusky bay]

I kinda skipped some of her dialogue but I read the rest (since I was used to skipping dialogue after beating the game once)

[vestal swan]

She probably went into sleep mode to rest, she's on the search for them but she asks for your help when you show up

[viscid ridge]

Cause she seems to be in a stasis, kinda like Jinn in HK. Their robot like, so assume they just go into rest mode lmao

[dusky bay]

She seems to be sleeping for a while till sand it all around her...

[dapper willow]

If you really think about it, a lot of bosses and npc's are very hyperfocused on one goal
Much more than regular people

[vestal swan]

There's a constant sandstorm I wouldn't really say that's indicative of a long time

[dusky bay]

Like look at her-

[viscid ridge]

Whats wrong?

[vestal swan]

I want you to go stand still in a sandstorm for 10 minutes

[slow olive]

She shakes the sand off tho right

[dusky bay]

Like is she a steel assasin robot thing

[dusky bay]

I live in a desert sooooo-

[dusky bay]

You smack her and she wakes up

[vestal swan]

Yeah? Her job is not assassin but she seems to be connected to all of them, with a steel city being the hub

[vestal swan]

Would you sleep through that?

[dusky bay]

The steel soul achievement are her after all

[slow olive]

Based on sharpe its safe to say they have bodies underneath all that steel right? Like theyre not steel constructs controlled by lumaflies or smth

[dusky bay]

In a tent maybe
But she is in a closed cave

[viscid ridge]

Yeah cause she is part of the species the achievement is named after so

[dusky bay]

Sand

[vestal swan]

You can't base anything on Sharpe he hasn't shown up

And so far each robot has had a bug companion/servant

[steep talon]

Well Sharpe has a pretty different armor to them

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but why is that a issue? 😅

[vestal swan]

Sharpe isn't in the game yet

[slow olive]

So at this point we can assume these are clankers? Lol

[vestal swan]

You can't use them to compare anything they might be completely cut or altered

[dusky bay]

No she is probably a robot powered by the gem in the mid

[steep talon]

They have a central jem on their chest. Their armor is much brighter to Sharpe almost pig iron color

[slow olive]

Ohhh like a remote controlled construct

[dusky bay]

sand

[slow olive]

Thats fun

[vestal swan]

She says she was grown from a metal I think so her entire body might be the same substance, enchanted with a mind or something

[light plume]

no sand cuz sand = glass

[vestal swan]

Ok Anakin

[silk dirge]

to me the steel guys arent robots bc they arent mechanical

you could create a robot alignment chart yeah their artificial constructs

[vestal swan]

Liquid Terminator style robots, they're grown from metal they're like metal homunculuses

[silk dirge]

but they arent mechanical

[slow olive]

What do their voices sound like

[silk dirge]

yeah thats how i would describe them

[limpid summit]

Someone say Skynx isn’t a Nosk

[silk dirge]

that dossnt feel "robotic" to me tho

[vestal swan]

Echo-y iirc

[viscid ridge]

Not all the bugs connected to the steel city are the same, some like zi and jiji are probably robots, while sharpe and the spider guys are organic bugs, unless sharpe is something else void related

[dusky bay]

I wonder if the whole steel assasins would be locked behind this secret quest
Like since you kinda fail on it they send assasins for you in every save file or smth idk

[vestal swan]

Well he's not so

[graceful basin]

Does the everbloom relocate or disintegrate void?

[slow olive]

Who's the spider guys

[limpid summit]

You sound quite sure

[dusky bay]

Spider guy might be a shamen since he does spawn void

Maybe a wanted shamen too

[vestal swan]

Pushes it away seems to be the answer but it doesn't behave consistently

[slow olive]

I mean there isnt enough evidence to even imply that skynx is a nosk type of bug

[vestal swan]

We already had this conversation twice just today

[limpid summit]

Yeah but not with Me

[silk dirge]

my theory is steel city is the actual descendant of ancient civilization

[dusky bay]

Does zi leave after you do the mission or forever stay in blasted steps?

[limpid summit]

The strongest Skynx Nosk believer out there

[graceful basin]

this sentence would kill someone who hasn't played hk

[limpid summit]

Mimicry, upside down head, lack of Needolin dialogue mirroring Nosk’s lack of DND

[viscid ridge]

Nah, its not a snail, but i think anyone can summon void if they had the incantation to, it seems like the spider guys from the steel city can all manipulate void in some way, like with jiji for example

[vestal swan]

Based on the only ideology we have for both of them they seem opposed

[dusky bay]

HE KILLED MY BOY AND EATS SILK EATERS I AM GONNA KILL THAT DUDE
but fre money
It's weird tho he just wants silk eaters
He doesn't talk and ignores you if you don't have any

[ancient sinew]

Hmm

[dusky bay]

He even snatches it and not take it

[silk dirge]

it seems to me they arent just vassals arent allowed to summon void but maybe the masters are

[vestal swan]

He talks, he's not imitating anybody, he's not trying to eat you, understands and pays with currency for a trade

[dusky bay]

Well he might be the caretaker and maiden were so who knows

[viscid ridge]

Im gonna go on a limb and say Skynx is a female of the species, so she ate Styx like a mantis

[vestal swan]

Why would the Masters be allowed to do that if they're going to kill people for messing with void

[limpid summit]

Nothing suggests Nosk cannot talk or it’s a dumb beast it’s an intelligent ambush predator

It’s infected obviously it’s not going to talk

[sinful nimbus]

All his dialogue is rehashed lines from Styx or Hornet

[graceful basin]

What are everblooms?

Like why are they seemingly the one thing that can resist and even fight back against Void?

[vestal swan]

It's a psychic ambush predator nothing suggests smart, it appears to be just as much a beast as most of the things in deepnest

[limpid summit]

He trades because he eats the silkeaters it benefits him

[silk dirge]

bc they consider vassals lower than them and thus they arent allowed to mess with void

[limpid summit]

He likely hadn’t been around long enough to set up and start hunting

[ancient sinew]

I’m not easily convinced but I am loath to admit Starpengu and AppleEgg actually present a compelling argument this time

[vestal swan]

It's not a matter of being lowely they said that they were tainted by it

[edgy barn]

I don't think there is enough evidence to say that Skynx is a Nosk, but he is in fact imitating. Most of his dialogue is mimicked from either Hornet or Styx, and he even says what seem to be Styx's last words.

[dusky bay]

It might be a nosk or smth like the fake grubs in hollow knight since they do mimick grub sounds...

[wintry flame]

this is ignoring the silk soar room above styx's station

[limpid summit]

Mimics are more of an evolutionary response Nosk is a shapeshifter

[sinful nimbus]

I think its a nosk that can't string up its prey naturally and relies on silk from silkeaters to do so

[limpid summit]

That’s interesting

[light plume]

Does hornet have a good day or something in my basement

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, but the grub mimics doesn't have the same power that nosk has, its just due to evolution

[silk dirge]

i mean tbf we dont really know what nosk even is

[edgy barn]

No, Skynx is not Styx with a new personality. You can see Styx's corpse in the room before.

[slow olive]

Nosk have a very specific look to them tho

[wintry flame]

awesome!

[silk dirge]

probably something team cherry found in their office one day and wanted to add into hk

[limpid summit]

Styx’s Needolin outline suggests he has a head of his own, while his headless corpse is found in his room

[ancient sinew]

Well without getting into the specifics, between the upside down head, its dialogue all being evidence of mimicry, its lack of needolin dialogue mirroring Nosk’s own lack of DND and even its name (Skynx) just being Styx with Nosk letters subbed in it seems like a pretty clear and intentional parallel

[viscid ridge]

Thats why im betting Skynx is a female, and it ate Styx like mantisis do, but i doubt we'll get enough information about it to confirm what it even is

[vestal swan]

Nosk is nosk
It can read minds it can shapeshift and it's a beast that eats people
Styx or whatever the other version is called is
Wearing somebody else's head
Screeching at The sound of music
Not shapeshifting
Not trying to fool anybody or eat them
Paying for trades

[dusky bay]

Skynx eats the silk eaters unlike styx who makes them
And huntress btw who doesn't eat silk eaters
There is a big chance it's either an evolved nosk
Or a grub mimick
We do see a winged nosk so who knows mahn.

[limpid summit]

Similar to Greyroot/WL, obviously TC expected us to draw parallels visually and with names, though I’d say this is even stronger than that

[slow olive]

Am I remembering this correctly, the bugs in the coliseum of fools were infected right? But u could still speak to them before u entered the coliseum

[limpid summit]

We learn nothing about how Nosk operates why are you so vehemently against extrapolation in any and all cases

[dusky bay]

Wait SKYNX WEARS STYX'S HEAD? WHAT DUDE MY BABY THIS HURTS MORE

[limpid summit]

Stuff doesn’t have to be just what is shown to us

[sinful nimbus]

Nosk is infected

And hunting you

[ancient sinew]

It’s not wearing his head, his head is still attached to his corpse which is in the next room over. It also demonstrates clear evidence of mimicry and isn’t infected

[viscid ridge]

You realize this now? But also its not his actual head, probably just a mask

[silk dirge]

quick question tho what is up with winged nosk

[edgy barn]

Styx's visible head is actually a mask. Skynx is wearing said mask.

[limpid summit]

More space to fly

[silk dirge]

did nosk used to have wings that got cut off or smth

[viscid ridge]

They thought it looked cool

[ancient sinew]

It’s not his head because his head is still attached and it’s not a mask because that mask is also still attached and the masks in the hidden room don’t resembe Skynx’s head either

[slow olive]

Coz if those bugs were infected but still acted the same way then nosk being infected doesnt necessarily mean it wouldnt be hostile if it wasnt infected

[edgy barn]

He can shapeshift at will, he can probably give himself functional wings whenever he wants to.

[ancient sinew]

If you looked at the corpse you would realise this

[vestal swan]

No but when you're ignoring gaps to connect two characters that don't actually have that many similarities I'm going to throw a wrench in it.
The behavior isn't similar the abilities aren't similar. Mimicking one guy you killed is not the same as reading your mind and imitating somebody you know

[silk dirge]

yeah true

[limpid summit]

The behavior is extremely similar and so are the abilities?

[viscid ridge]

I mean Styx does have 2 of the same mask, and Skynx mask is just upside down so

[wintry flame]

why would skynx be a nosk and keep imitating styx and not shapeshift into hornet to eat and kill her? Is it stupid?

[ancient sinew]

It also mimics Hornet, and the upside down head is a pretty telltale sign

[vestal swan]

@ancient sinew I don't see a head here

How is repeating back what it hears and putting on somebody else's head shape-shifting and mind reading

[edgy barn]

The head is not visible

[viscid ridge]

Cause we see in the memory that Styx doesnt have a face, which is why he needs a mask, and this also lets me believe more that Skynx stole his mask

[silk dirge]

related question why does huntress look so similar to styx

[ancient sinew]

Same species

Styx is the male

[silk dirge]

ah that makes sense

[viscid ridge]

Look similar, but has nothing to do with one another. A lot of bugs look a like that aren't related

[vestal swan]

Whether or not they stole their mask or their head it's no longer attached to styx, but thinking that styx literally doesn't have a head doesn't make sense.
If they were a nosk and they were the same person the body wouldn't be in a separate place it would have changed shape

[slow olive]

Are those its hands, do they move

[silk dirge]

styx is probably huntress' mate then

[limpid summit]

Mimicry, upside down, the ability to circumvent a tool that probes the mind of almost any creature

[viscid ridge]

Literally no evidence to say that is the case

[vestal swan]

It is possible that they put on a hunter's face to go be the baby daddy, but that's just a personality swap

[slow olive]

Coz thats funny looking and lowkey cute if thats its hands

[dusky bay]

I actually want more skynx lore
But he might be actually a nosk
He doesn't say much so they mightve evolved abit
And for some reason hates music

[ancient sinew]

If you don’t do Broodfeast until Act 3 you get the quest Runtfeast instead and Runt (one of Huntress’ male offspring) has a head identical to Styx

[dusky bay]

Male that lays eggs somehow

[silk dirge]

!wiki runt

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Runt

Hollow Knight Wiki

Runt

Runt is an NPC who appears in Hollow Knight: Silksong.

Location

Putrified Ducts

Role

Quest NPC

Tasks

Runtfeast

Affiliations

Huntress (Mother)

Gender

Unspecified

Singing

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/File:Runt_Sing.ogg

[silk dirge]

!wiki styx

[viscid ridge]

It Literally doesnt, it has the same head as the huntress

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Styx

Hollow Knight Wiki

Styx

Loading page description…

[slow olive]

Problem is that isnt styx's real head its just a mask

[silk dirge]

oh yeah they are different

[limpid summit]

The horns swoop up a little more but the similarity is there

[viscid ridge]

Exactly

[slow olive]

So we cant even safely say its a male of huntress' species

[viscid ridge]

He doesn't lay the eggs, he used a silk eater queen

[vestal swan]

Their bodies don't look that similar I don't think they're the same species, but that doesn't have to mean he's not the dad

[silk dirge]

ok but you know whos bodies are similar

[dusky bay]

Huh-
And stynx eats set queen and kills styx...

[silk dirge]

driftlins and fayforn

[slow olive]

True interspecies relations does happen in these games a bunch

[viscid ridge]

I guess? We dont see the queens in steel soul

[silk dirge]

plus needolin dialog where driftlins say something about a gleaming mother

[limpid summit]

Styx and Huntress represent an interesting red herring because if you kept up with marketing and you meet this Huntress looking dude talking about a queen to serve you think it’s gonna be a Leg Eater situation but then you find out he may not even be a member and then he just dies

[dusky bay]

Since when we saw her in normal mode
Also stynx does nothing if you give him all silk eaters in the game right?

[silk dirge]

considering the similarities between them(mainly they have the exact same ears) its not a stretch to say fayforn is the mother of driftlins

[edgy barn]

Why would he be the dad in the first place tho. His face looks similar but is not his real head.

[edgy barn]

He produces 1 Silk Eater per hour if you don't give him the egg. He produces 2 if you do give him the egg.

[silk dirge]

like at the very least driftlins and fayforn are very closely related

[vestal swan]

It doesn't have to be his real head? The one we meet is submissive and is dedicating himself to taking care of his savior, changing his mask would make him a different personality. If you put on a hunter's mask he's not going to be the timid little loser who lives in the ceiling

[viscid ridge]

Cause his face isn't his actual face, its a mask, making the connection between the 2 meaningless

[vestal swan]

Yeah they sure do live on the same mountain

[edgy barn]

... that's exactly what I said?

[viscid ridge]

Their probably the same

[dusky bay]

?
I am saying if you give all silk eaters to the stynx
The one who eats them for roasaries
Does smth happen or he just doesn't give a fuck...

[silk dirge]

more evidence "Gentle glider of Mount Fay. Its downy wings..."

faydown cloak

[slow olive]

Skynx being a nosk while being a fun theory just doesnt have enough concrete evidence to back it up imo

[viscid ridge]

I know i wasn't arguing against you, i was giving more context as to why you are correct. I just typed it wierd mb

[sinful nimbus]

🥀

[silk dirge]

like they are very clearly very closely related and very likely driftlins are baby fayforns

[slow olive]

Especially if this is all we have of how skynx looks like with its stubby arms

[vestal swan]

Yes that is how you would describe a feathery creature, that's not a nail in the coffin

[silk dirge]

look at the fuckin ears

[vestal swan]

That's like the only similarity they actually have

[silk dirge]

driftlins and fayforn have the exact same ears

no

fayforn also has a scaly body like that

[slow olive]

Fayforn not even having a journal entry is so annoying lol

[silk dirge]

when you first see it

[slow olive]

Its such an intriguing being

[vestal swan]

I also don't think she would be too pleased about a bunch of her kids being killed to climb a mountain

[sinful nimbus]

They're haunted

Its fair game

[viscid ridge]

I dont think they are baby versions, their probably another split in the evolutionary tree

[silk dirge]

this is my theory why fayforn helps us

[dusky bay]

Nosks are obivous to evolve
Nosk the first time you fight him walks normally
But second time in pantheon he flies
So they mightve learned how to also mimick talking
Stynx doesn't talk alot but says so little and simple words
So he might be a nosk evolving and learning how to speak
Or a grub mimick thing since those would mimick grub noises they might be bigger and stronger versions that mimick words which might be like stynx

[viscid ridge]

We don't fight the thing 😅

[silk dirge]

shes angry about her children getting haunted

[vestal swan]

Scaly? Do you mean vaguely gray striped bodies because there's like 13 characters with that in the game and they're all bird-like

[silk dirge]

also of note is this driftlin needolin dialog

"Mother, mother, gleam so brightly..."

[sinful nimbus]

The upside down head mimicry isn't related to the upside down head mimicker though

[silk dirge]

who is their mother here if not fayforn

[sinful nimbus]

Its a pure coincidence

[slow olive]

The extent of nosk evolving is just sprouting wings tho and its not even a huge leap in its look

[vestal swan]

Driftlins are frosty craws

[silk dirge]

they look nothing like craws what

[vestal swan]

I'm going off of the body similarity

[dusky bay]

It might also be the same nosk just being hornet
Since after all nosk mimicks the knight who doesn't talk

[viscid ridge]

Yeah then she is probably the mother and they are her offspring

[vestal swan]

Vaguely gray striped bodies that you call scaly for some reason

[silk dirge]

driftlins are way more similar to fayforn than craws

[viscid ridge]

What does a driftlin look like again

[vestal swan]

It looks like a craw wearing a fur coat

[vestal swan]

[sinful nimbus]

put yo glasses on

[silk dirge]

fayforn for reference

[sinful nimbus]

Fayforn is to the Driftlins what Unn is to the Mosskin

[slow olive]

Hornet saying this would be a perfect pet.... shes definitely PK's daughter wanting pets with pale colors lol

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet thinks everything is a good pet

[viscid ridge]

Eh i doubt it, probably a mother

[silk dirge]

yeah that would be a good way to put it probably

[slow olive]

Everything thats furry

[sinful nimbus]

She says a plant that poisons everything around it would be a great pet

[silk dirge]

except fayforn isnt a hb

[sinful nimbus]

proof

[fallow sphinx]

Also with the buzz saws

[slow olive]

Wait what plant is that

[sinful nimbus]

the shellwood one idr the name

[silk dirge]

are we really doing is fayforn a hb discussion now 😭

[viscid ridge]

For aesthetic values

[slow olive]

The exploding one?

[sinful nimbus]

How can you someone asking for proof dawg

[viscid ridge]

The floating flower

[dusky bay]

Either way stynx has probably more lore hopefully in the future since he is weird
He mimicks hornet and styx
Eats silk eaters
And the only one out of the 3 who eats but doesn't care
Styx makes silk eaters since you saved him
Huntress cares about her children even saying she would let them eat her if there is nothing to feed them
But stynx just eats silk eaters and give you a reward sometimes big sometimes small but doesn't overall give a fuck

[vestal swan]

Fayforn feats:
it has ears
It's fluffy

[slow olive]

Isnt that also one that she says would be something PK would like as a pet

[sinful nimbus]

Its the reason the entire region is exceptionally cold

[vestal swan]

Because you're the one that needs to prove it has higher being feats

Nothing suggests that

[sinful nimbus]

"Fell heart of frost" or whatever

[dusky bay]

He is weird...

[viscid ridge]

Yeah says it would be highly sought after in the Pale Court

[silk dirge]

oh yeah good point

[vestal swan]

The mountain is covered in regenerating ice crystals I would blame whatever the hell made those

[silk dirge]

that dialog seems to be important

[slow olive]

Quite a beautiful creature. In my own kingdom's court, it would have been highly favoured as an ornamental pet.

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah, Fayforn

[slow olive]

Hornet doesnt say she wants the phacia as a pet

[sinful nimbus]

She's stupid no one is wanting that as a pet 🥀

[silk dirge]

honestly im more on the side fayforn is what pale stag was mythologized to be

[vestal swan]

What's a phacia

[silk dirge]

as in pale stag was responsible for verdania

[slow olive]

It wouldnt look out of place in the white palace

[vestal swan]

Ah

[silk dirge]

AWFUL TYPO

😭

[vestal swan]

How to kill somebody with allergies 101

[sinful nimbus]

Why are you Wrong reacting me she's literally stated to be the heart of the cold

[edgy nebula]

why ar the coldshard bugs called mnemonids and mnemonords

[viscid ridge]

On that subject, Hornet has a nose, while the vessels doesn't which is strange

[vestal swan]

Nehotmino idont know

[silk dirge]

mnemonic is the word for remembering something i think

[edgy barn]

Where?

[vestal swan]

Everybody has a nose, it's just not visible

[sinful nimbus]

Mr Mushroom poem

[vestal swan]

TK doesn't really need one or use it

[edgy nebula]

oh thats wacky

[viscid ridge]

Cornifer says that the knight doesn't have a nose which is why it can go through fungal waste no problem

[vestal swan]

Does he actually say that fayhorn is the heart of the cold or that he is at the heart of the cold

[sinful nimbus]

"Fell heart of frost, who soars on high"

[silk dirge]

its in the poem

[vestal swan]

That makes her sound like a part of it? And at most it's like a fifth heart not a higher being

[silk dirge]

yeah thats my take probably

[sinful nimbus]

Blah blah same difference

[edgy nebula]

yeah the hearts were able to change their environment so it makes sense

[silk dirge]

fayforn isnt a hb but is a powerful being

[sinful nimbus]

Why can't we kill Fayforn

Meet potential bird

[silk dirge]

but i still believe driftlins are her children

[vestal swan]

Because hornets not stupid enough to attack a bird that big

[sinful nimbus]

Suuuper dangerous and prone to killing you if she feels like it but she never does that in game just trust us bro

[vestal swan]

That thing could have flew off with her dad

[polar fiber]

if they were their eyes would have moved to the sides of their head which would be weird imo

[edgy nebula]

which successor is the strongest

[silk dirge]

you dont know how they grow

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet has enough confidence to think she'd be able to kill Higher Beings on par with Hallownest

She's definitely that stupid

[edgy barn]

a what now?

[edgy nebula]

last successors, the heart guys

[sinful nimbus]

Khaan 🗣️

[edgy nebula]

the last successors is what theyre called by the shamans

[sinful nimbus]

Nyleth gets an honorable mention

[vestal swan]

The joke 🛫

[edgy barn]

She does in fact end up beating GMS.

[edgy barn]

Karmelita.

[sinful nimbus]

This is a serious discussion channel please cease before I ping mods

[vestal swan]

Nyleth is weak as shit combat wise but she's the only one that comes close to qualifying as a higher being

[edgy nebula]

counterpoint: khann

[vestal swan]

I mean her fight sucked, but if she decided to throw all those thorns at somebody it would probably poke a lot

You would be mildly inconvenienced

[sinful nimbus]

She's strong in combat if you run shaman

[vestal swan]

That might be the only one that suffers against her tbh

[slow olive]

If she's so strong why did she turn into a fountain

[edgy nebula]

id say the power rating for the successors goes as such

1. Nyleth
2. Khann
3. Karmelita
4. Clover Dancers

[edgy nebula]

Id consider nyleth and khann pretty close

[silk dirge]

im believing it

[sinful nimbus]

Its legit a boss fakeout

TC when they run out of budget

[edgy nebula]

The driftlins are fayforn’s kids yes

[vestal swan]

You know who else is a boss fake out???

[edgy nebula]

They mention a gleaming mother in their dialogue

[edgy barn]

Khann certainly had the stronger army but Karmelita is the one stated to have skill nearly matching Hornet's.

[edgy nebula]

Hunter

[silk dirge]

thats what im trying to argue here

but people are saying they dont look similar at all

who else could possibly be a "gleaming mother"

[edgy nebula]

Khann ruled half of pharloom with an iron fist and commanded coral to his will

[edgy nebula]

Uuuh, idk, coldshards, or like, gms

[vestal swan]

I don't even like that they're called successors because it doesn't really seem like shit was passed down?

• maybe genetically
• a technique
• she can sing and fight good to unite the ants
• I don't know what feats these guys were supposed to have but they lost

[sinful nimbus]

Its said they inherited Pharloom's strength or something stupid

[edgy nebula]

Khann is mentioned as a lord born last to rule, tbf

[limpid summit]

Glidey Glidey Glidey! I love their ND dialogue

[edgy nebula]

Yeah

[sinful nimbus]

If the old heart quest has no haters I am dead 🗣️

[edgy barn]

Conquering half of Pharloom doesn't speak to his personal power as much as you would think.

[silk dirge]

most william pellen ahh dialog

[vestal swan]

Being the last in a line of Kings it's not really inheriting a great power if you're going to be the last

[sinful nimbus]

Huh

[vestal swan]

Yeah hand me the throne so I can die

The way they're described is just stupid

[silk dirge]

also someone brought up shardillards have fucking dark needolin dialog

[vestal swan]

It's like mocking PK's foresight x 4

[edgy barn]

Maybe is last as in latest and not last as in there won't be any after.

[vestal swan]

Well either way he was the last

[edgy barn]

Yeah but you get the point

[silk dirge]

wtf is up with this

[vestal swan]

Which makes the way they describe him in retrospect kind of dumb

[edgy nebula]

Hornet considers him a warrior lord and his dialogue is mostly about being strong

[limpid summit]

Is that the shardillard

[silk dirge]

yeah

[edgy nebula]

Yes

[limpid summit]

Vibes

[silk dirge]

fucking emo kid rock bugs

[slow olive]

The dude wants to become like the shiny fossil

[vestal swan]

Wait some stuff has dark needle dialogue???

[edgy barn]

I'm not saying he wasn't strong, he was, I'm just saying Karmelita is stronger as an individual warrior.

[dusky bay]

Is there the queen egg courier mission in silksong...

[vestal swan]

What

[silk dirge]

its just normal needolin dialog

[dusky bay]

I mean steel soul mode fack

[silk dirge]

but I'm saying its dark

[edgy nebula]

Maybe, i feel like they’re equal in terms of raw strength though

[limpid summit]

Sister Splinter’s ND is interesting

Sisters sister so long gone!
Other other sleeping deep…

She’s here after Weavers and Nyleth

[edgy nebula]

All of khann’s lore is interesting, it’s made clear that the karakas had a culture, and i like that

[limpid summit]

So is Nyleth actually sleeping like Isma and we do kill her?

[silk dirge]

wtf does this mean

[limpid summit]

Weavers are the sisters

[edgy barn]

Agree.

[vestal swan]

All we see is the statue so she's probably dead in the background in the basement covered by thorns

[limpid summit]

She’s like a traitor lord type

This land is ours now!

[silk dirge]

is this saying her sisters are weavers?

what

[slow olive]

Her heart grows out of the stone so maybe nyleth is still barely living

[limpid summit]

No she’s saying the splinters are the masters of Shellwood now

[silk dirge]

i see

[edgy nebula]

It’s probably like how nuns refer to eachother as sisters, is my guess

[silk dirge]

someone made a theory a while back sister splinter was a weaver and i was like what lmao

[edgy nebula]

I doubt splinter is a weaver

[silk dirge]

yeah it wouldnt make any sense for her to be one

[vestal swan]

She's not

[edgy nebula]

That or like, sister splinter, greyroot, and nyleth are related

[limpid summit]

No as in the hierarchy of power in Shellwood went Nyleth to Weavers to Splinter

[silk dirge]

shes just big stickbug

[limpid summit]

That’s not what I’m saying

[slow olive]

Creeping creaking makes me think of greyroot

[limpid summit]

She refers to the weavers as sisters to mock them because that’s what they called each other

[vestal swan]

Yeah what Apple said, the sisters were ruling so the sister is being mentioned are not hers they are the leaders previous to her

[edgy barn]

When does greyroot creep or creak.

[vestal swan]

She's always creeping, she might creak when she snaps you up

[edgy nebula]

I wonder what significance greyroot making hornet make the wood wasps go extinct has

[vestal swan]

That's not necessarily causing Extinction

That was just a few nests

[edgy barn]

She needs them for the first rite.

[vestal swan]

If you burn down the tree while the bird is away does the bird die

[slow olive]

Isnt there a creaking sound when she snaps at hornet? And she literally creeps out of the corner when u enter her house

Or am i thinking of the cursed ending with the creaking

[edgy nebula]

Hornet states that destroying all of the nests will cause damage to the ecosystem, i dont think thatd be mentioned if it wasnt important

[vestal swan]

Affecting the ecosystem and actually causing an Extinction are two separate things

They might not be in the area anymore but the z axis exists

Besides they still pop up all over the place

[edgy nebula]

I got it mixed up, i thought she mentioned them going extinct

[slow olive]

And some still spawn without the nests tho right

[limpid summit]

I think so yeah

[edgy nebula]

Some do, true

[limpid summit]

Yes cause they can get voided in act 3

[vestal swan]

Yeah they spawn near the elevator that takes you to the very top, that area for sure still has some

I remember because I hit them through the cage with the drill nail art and they fucking hit me back and destroyed the package I was carrying

[edgy nebula]

skissue

[limpid summit]

Liquid lacquer no joke

[edgy nebula]

Greyroot’s dialogue mentions a long sleep, i doubt they have relevance to sister splinter though

[slow olive]

The mask maker in silksong is definitely not making mask for other bugs with how far off he is

[limpid summit]

Probably not outright but it doesn’t seem crazy for Splinter to at least allude to her

[edgy nebula]

He’s making one as you speak

[slow olive]

What bug could even reach him

[limpid summit]

Since she obviously is aware of the balance of power in the region

[silk dirge]

why is greyroots child all the way in bilewater tho

[limpid summit]

Who knows

Why do you think

[slow olive]

The mask maker in hk had masks in display at least, the one in ss doesnt even finish a mask smh

[edgy nebula]

The ss mask maker seems new

[silk dirge]

maybe she used to live there and moved to shellwood after it got polluted or some shit

[edgy nebula]

He’s carving one as you talk to him though!!

[slow olive]

Maybe hes new true

[edgy barn]

The courriers are aware of him though.

[slow olive]

He sounds more wise when his mask is off than the one in hk tho

[edgy nebula]

How does couriering work in ss

[edgy barn]

and have like, deliveries for him and stuff.

[edgy nebula]

Cause you have gilly and mask maker making long distance requests to bellharr to get them stuff

Does ss have carrier pigeons

[slow olive]

Oh maybe he just delivers the finished masks then

[limpid summit]

I think he’s newer lowkey

[edgy nebula]

Oh apparently there have been multiple twisted buds?

Pavo mentions other travelllers carrying “crying things”

[edgy barn]

Yes, a lot,

[limpid summit]

The mask maker has made more masks dreamer masks so removing the mask does less

[vestal swan]

Yes it's a ritual she's using to stay alive

[fallow rose]

the old guy had crazy eyes i think he was a bit insane

[edgy nebula]

Im mainly curious about how they were found, since we found one in bilewater

[slow olive]

They had the same eyes iirc

[fallow rose]

oh really

[edgy nebula]

Do they just pop up randomly across pharloom

[fallow rose]

oh u right

[vestal swan]

No idea, could be

[limpid summit]

Yeah maybe

Her roots spread far like WL

[slow olive]

But when she puts the twisted bug in hornet she dies, or is hornet the first one to bring a twisted bug to her

[vestal swan]

She kills her old body and possesses the child

[edgy nebula]

possibly

[slow olive]

Oh i thought its the twisted bug that possessed hornet and greyroot uses her body to do the deed

[vestal swan]

She doesn't want her kids to actually grow up they are a vehicle for her to possess people

[limpid summit]

Man I really want to think she’s a root but that’s the one connection I just can’t make

[vestal swan]

Who

[limpid summit]

I don’t like too much fanservice but I almost want to see a Wyrm that’s completely different from PK so I can believe it

WL Greyroot

[heady thorn]

What bug are the bells

[slow olive]

Where is this said was this dialogue?

[edgy nebula]

Greyroot is most certainly a root, shes just also a witch

[vestal swan]

Greyroot is a root? She's just not necessarily a higher being or related to White Lady in the way that we might assume

[limpid summit]

She’s obviously meant to be evocative

[vestal swan]

It's the fact that it keeps happening and she's talking about rebirth. It's pretty clearly it's an immortality ritual where she's taking her kids youth

[heady thorn]

greyroot is a jerk

[limpid summit]

Yes

[edgy nebula]

Presumably

[heady thorn]

i hope the worst happens to her

[edgy nebula]

what was that deleted for?

[dusky bay]

Was skynx mimicking styx while he was dying right here

[vestal swan]

I don't know I didn't delete it

[edgy nebula]

oh

[dusky bay]

It looks wrong for me jdk why

[edgy barn]

I mean she failed her reincarnation, she is dead now,

[edgy nebula]

Likely yeah

[dusky bay]

It looks a fully different image but alr

[edgy nebula]

Sometimes happens on discord for me aswell, it’s just a bug

[limpid summit]

I just don’t like the idea of there being species where one can become a HB that’s why I either want to believe she isn’t a Root or is a HB

[dusky bay]

Ok
I need for skynx lore and a bossfight to avenge styx 😭

[limpid summit]

Honestly her witch immortality ritual does go beyond normal bug magic

NMH level stuff without all the ritual

Exists above all others?

[edgy nebula]

It’s possible greyroot was once white like WL and faded to grey, thats just speculation though

Wouldn’t be the only time a white character became gray with age

[vestal swan]

I would not say an immortality ritual that requires sacrificing and possessing your own child is higher being material

[limpid summit]

I mean it works

[slow olive]

I mean snail shaman magic can trap GMS with void so its not far off for beings that arent higher to have exceptional magic

[limpid summit]

Is that not literally what NMH does too

[edgy barn]

I would like to point out that it's a much more physical thing than magical. The shamans say they can't help with it for that reason.

[limpid summit]

Goodbye Grimm

[vestal swan]

No the nightmare heart does not do that

The nightmare heart is not dying repeatedly, it is changing out vessels so it can explore the waking world

[limpid summit]

It sacrifices Grimm to put itself in the new one

[vestal swan]

Yeah the vessel is wearing out, the vessel is not the god

[limpid summit]

I mean yeah it doesn’t die explicitly in the process

[vestal swan]

It doesn't die metaphorically either?

[limpid summit]

That’s not what I’m saying

[vestal swan]

Someone being possessed has the thing possessing them get them killed and then move to a new body

[limpid summit]

The bud does literally subdue a HB

[dusky bay]

Don't tell me he is mimicking styx's scream too 😭

Styx always has alot of ss when he speaks

[limpid summit]

This must sound so weird to Hornet it just gives a death rattle n the middle of its thank you

[edgy barn]

After it got beaten up by Hornet.

[vestal swan]

Not really? It waits for that God to be about to die and then starts feeding on both of the things present

[edgy nebula]

I assume it’s stealing the power that hornet’s taking from gms and then rqpidly grows

[slow olive]

Wait if greyroot has done this to others, where else did the other bugs die so she could pop out of them. We dont see much of her roots anywhere else besides the bilewater area and her shellwood home

[dusky bay]

So I wonder what "the morssless" means

[heady thorn]

she should lose her entire body except her nose and still retain her mind

[edgy nebula]

Styx calls silkeaters morsels

[dusky bay]

Oh...
Okay can we just
Kill skynx completely

[limpid summit]

Eh I wouldn’t say that

[dusky bay]

I really think he is a nosk
He literally looks like styx...

[limpid summit]

You don’t even begin to bind before it subdues you as in the prompt doesn’t appear

It just takes Hornet’s moment

[slow olive]

His tiny stubby hands look so silly

[vestal swan]

Hornet doesn't start stealing the power from GMS yet when the bud begins eating them

[edgy nebula]

He physically took styx’s mask, nosks dont really do that

[vestal swan]

It waits for the moment of weakness and attacks them both

[limpid summit]

The bud isn’t capitalizing off the power yeah

[edgy nebula]

Oh, i thought it was when she finished binding, my bad

Then yeah it probably waits to strike

[limpid summit]

Idk I don’t think she’s a HB even though she’s strong but I want her to be because saying she’s a non HB Root seems like a copout

[slow olive]

The roots must be hella strong to be able to hold GMS

[limpid summit]

Also HBs are lacking in SS

[vestal swan]

If hornets successively did the power transfer it might still sap it but it might actually give hornet the edge and push out the bud

[edgy nebula]

Godseeker implies roots are extremely strong yeah

[vestal swan]

Yeah we only got like two and a half

[limpid summit]

We have one confirmed new one

Hallownest is a land of gods ig

[vestal swan]

Nyleth:

[slow olive]

Whose the half

[dusky bay]

I wonder why TC gave lil lore but very cool for a random steel soul npc with so many questions
I really want more but I don't think they will give him more but who knows...

[limpid summit]

I’m so glad that “one of Them” means roots

[vestal swan]

That's not really a confirmation of what that meant

[edgy barn]

Not a confirmed HB.

[edgy nebula]

i wonder, was styx feeding skynx silkeaters and then he destroyed him? the wall isnt breakable in the normal game so i dont know how skynx wouldve gotten into styx's room though

[limpid summit]

I thought it could possibly be HB cause even though Unn is one it’s bit like Godseeker can recognize her power in the moment

But then I realized that’s probably bad faith cause it’s not like she doesn’t say “you were so strong once”

So I feel like Godseeker knows

[vestal swan]

Nyleth has qualifying fears
So GMS and her are the confirms in my book, then we have possibly the pale stag.

[limpid summit]

Them isn’t HB

[edgy barn]

Nyleth's heart has the same power as beings that are definetly not higher.

[limpid summit]

Okay I genuinely want to track your train of thought
Palefraud is a HB cause plant powers but WL an existing plant based HB can’t have plant powers

[vestal swan]

But also gray root is not really comparable to white lady in terms of ability, despite the fact that white lady doesn't do shit she seems like she's not dying of old age repeat

[dusky bay]

It might be the other way around
Maybe styx was trying to defend his silk eaters since again
Huntress also protects her babies and styx would make you silk eaters for free
So skynx kills him and feeds on them

[limpid summit]

I just wanna talk I just wanna talk

I don’t believe Nyleth is a HB but like I could be convinced

[vestal swan]

You see the difference here is one one character is actually attributed to these powers through dialogue

[limpid summit]

If LBB appeared in SS I’d believe it

[edgy nebula]

Skynx is just very weird, he doesnt even have needolin dialogue, he just roars at you if you use it

[blissful harbor]

Nyleth is just like isma on steroids
you wouldn’t call isma a Hb

[vestal swan]

WL has no feats besides a seal on herself

I'm not comparing her to Isma at all

[dusky bay]

He probably hates music
I hope we get more about him in the future
But it's very slim...

[limpid summit]

But why would you take this HB and instead of trying to find evidence that she’s powerful (as Godseeker suggest) try and downplay it

[edgy nebula]

Skynx bossfight when?

[limpid summit]

All of these things come together to form a defined powerset that makes sense

[blissful harbor]

they’re like the same thing though it seems
or very similar at least

[limpid summit]

A higher being with roots all around invigorates the life around her through Soul

[dusky bay]

Maybe in the future the queen's egg returns and when you give it to him something happens

[slow olive]

Is isma connected to any living beings in the area around her body? Because nyleth is and thats while nyleth is alive

"Ancient heart of Shellwood, connected to all its living things."

[vestal swan]

Isma turned into a tree on the wall, nothing says it's her ability or that she was connected to them or that she created any of it intentionally

[blissful harbor]

isma’s grove sprang from her body, the plant life around her
like i said Nyleth is her but turned up to 10000

[vestal swan]

Where does it say she's sprouted any of it?

[slow olive]

Seth even calls nyleth the first seed or smth

[limpid summit]

I just think it’s strange for Nyleth and GP to be touted as narratively equal

Comparing a genuine HB to some dude

[vestal swan]

Nyleth is the progenitor of the area's plants, she is the first seed for that forest

[limpid summit]

That’s why I think Nyleth is just the peak of normal bugs like the other heart bosses

[dusky bay]

If you play steel soul mode the queen's egg courier mission isn't there and is even pulled out of the collection in bellhome
So maybe in the future they bring it back and when you give it to skynx something happens maybe a bossfight or big lore drop

[limpid summit]

But like the seed of doubt is in my head

Hehe

[slow olive]

She even protected the bugs that goes through shellwood

Past tense. Rip nyleth.

[covert night]

is any one of heart bosses a higher being

[limpid summit]

Khann Karm and GP are not for sure

[slow olive]

No in game mention of any of them being higher beings

[limpid summit]

Nyleth may be

[vestal swan]

Nyleth had some control over all of her plants which is a feat closer to HB, you could discount some of her accomplishment by saying the forest are mostly her descendants and not any creations but she still has some control over the area which is not something the others are doing

Not Carmelita either

She basically ran a wildlife preservation

[slow olive]

So in that analogy we can say Seth is like a steve irwin type figure

[vestal swan]

What

No

He was uniquely being possessed by the dead and or dying God of the plants of the area

[slow olive]

Just a joke, but whats the take on seth is he controlled by nyleth or is he an honorable knight fulfilling an oath

[limpid summit]

Probably both

[vestal swan]

Unless, Seth could be her imitation at a proper bug and she was controlling him the same way she controlled her forest

[limpid summit]

Brumm-esque mind alteration and perpetuation

[slow olive]

Coz if nyleth can influence a bug thats far from being plantlike then that adds to her higher being potential

[limpid summit]

Actually that’s a point to Nyleth NMH does something similar

[vestal swan]

Yeah it's not just a mild mind control it's the doing it from the near or beyond grave to something that she's not supposed to have control over (unless Seth is a plant)

[limpid summit]

GMS is definitely one I’m almost inclined to believe Nyleth is one I want to believe GR is one

Palestag no way

[vestal swan]

GR nah

[dusky bay]

Where is styx's head anyways

[limpid summit]

At least now mister mushroom is definitely one

[slow olive]

Whose GR again

[vestal swan]

The only thing she has going for her is a sacrificial ritual replacing her kids

[slow olive]

Oh greyroot

[dusky bay]

Is it like
Behind the bench?

[vestal swan]

It was torn off

[limpid summit]

That does manage to consume a confirmed HB

[dusky bay]

Dude
Please
TC ik this is random but bring the queen's egg courier mission back
And when you give it to skynx a bossfight happens so I can kill this fucking bitch....

[limpid summit]

In the crossfire too

[slow olive]

Plants revenge on bugs

[fading shard]

what is being discussed?

[edgy barn]

After it had been considerably weakened by a fight.

[limpid summit]

Actually yeah Nyleth had gotta be one

[fading shard]

I apologize for asking

[dusky bay]

Skynx and nyleth

[limpid summit]

The shamans say citadel grudgingly acknowledged her power and sent bugs in reverence

[fading shard]

what about them

[limpid summit]

They literally don’t do that

[edgy barn]

disagree but I really don't wanna discuss this now.

[limpid summit]

Let’s discuss mister mushroom then

He is one

[fading shard]

I apologize for all the questions but I am simply a bit lost in the matter

[dusky bay]

Idk about nyleth
But I am talking about how skynx copies styx and how weird he is...

[reef tendon]

quick question, anyone knows where snail shamans depart after getting the flower?

[fading shard]

well they are strange

[reef tendon]

or they just died

[dusky bay]

They die

[fading shard]

They died

We see their dead shell corpses

[reef tendon]

it just seems

[slow olive]

Is it possible they survived and just left their shells?

[reef tendon]

not real

[fading shard]

we haven't seen snail shamans having the ability to abandon their shells

[fading shard]

No it's not

[dusky bay]

No
Skynx kills styx
And wears his mask
He also copies his words
When styx was screaming
When he is asking for help and also calls silk eaters morsselss even tho he is the only one who calls them that

@fading shard

[fading shard]

it's never been suggested and with how things were painted it does seem they sacrificed themselves to save their temple

[edgy barn]

I mean like why would they leave and why would they not take their shells.

[fading shard]

I suppose so

[limpid summit]

Well they’re grubs he eats them

[sinful nimbus]

Nosk

[slow olive]

Hmm i guess there isnt a reason

[sinful nimbus]

TC has no new ideas smh

[fading shard]

You know I've seen a lot of debate on prime hallownest vs prime pharloom but it seems a bit one sided

[slow olive]

Whose side

[vestal swan]

It was literally about to be killed and absorbed by somebody else that's not really a feat

[fading shard]

pharloom doesn't exactly have much going for it

its soldiers especially are far weaker then the ones in hallownest

not to mention the five great knights and captains we hear about

and with xero as a reference we can tell they were pretty skilled

[slow olive]

Pharloom's reeds are pretty tough tho

[fading shard]

Pharloom never really lost their military power

[limpid summit]

Honestly here’s an explanation
Nosk is infected so it captures infected bugs cause that’s what it does, Hunter says they don’t taste good
Skynx could capture haunted bugs but they likely don’t taste good either according to the Marrow lore tablet that describes strings replacing organs, it accepts the Silkeaters as collateral - creatures it can eat

[sinful nimbus]

Out of all examples you chose Xero?

[vestal swan]

Let me eat this exhausted Hunter and the thing it's about to finish off: God qualification
Although after eating them both I'd say gray root definitely would qualify

[fading shard]

What other captains do we have

[sinful nimbus]

The heck is a captain

Xero is a random bum who tried killing the king and died

[vestal swan]

I went to go check the mail what the hell did this conversation turn into

[fading shard]

Eh I more so meant higher rank soldiers

[edgy barn]

We have no idea how strong Xero was in life.

[fading shard]

But I might be missrembering xero as one

[sinful nimbus]

Greyroot can be a god because GMS lowers the bar to hell

[fading shard]

I haven't read his lore entry in a long time

[fading shard]

Every higher being has been explicitely called one

[vestal swan]

GMS doesn't lower the bar because she's a suck ass fight

[sinful nimbus]

Nah

GMS PK WL and Rad are the 4 explicitly named higher beings

[slow olive]

Im assuming the GMS we fight is far from her peak

[sinful nimbus]

What peak

[slow olive]

Weakened by sleeping too long

[sinful nimbus]

GMS in her peak got sealed by her own creations 🥀

[vestal swan]

Being in her peak doesn't mean she can't fall for a trap this is not an argument

[fading shard]

1. unn
2. white lady
3. pale king
4. nightmare heart
5. radiance
   6 and 7. the god of thunder and storms
6. grand mother silk

[sinful nimbus]

Why did a higher being capable of sensing silk from across the world fall for a trap made of silk

[fading shard]

all of them were at least once called a word of god

[vestal swan]

You said explicitly named and that only covers four of them

We know most of these things are higher beings by cross referencing their capabilities

[slow olive]

I thought before they trapped her in silk they lulled her to sleep with song

[sinful nimbus]

Godseeker calling something a god doesn't make em a higher being

[fading shard]

I fully well know that

[sinful nimbus]

The trap and the slumber are the same thing

Its a trap that puts the god to sleep

[slow olive]

But she wasnt put to sleep with silk tho right?

[vestal swan]

God that reminds me I had a dream last night that we were going to fight the fucking god of rain and thunder because I saw a leak, yeah get that a leak, for a DLC boss spreadsheet and it was two non-god seeker looking monsters that were producing rain and lightning around them.

[sinful nimbus]

Well then Unn, Nightmare Heart, and The Gods of Thunder and Rain aren't explicitly called higher beings

[edgy barn]

The cacoon is not what GMS is trapped in, it's her protective form.

[edgy barn]

Those last two could very well not be higher beings.

[sinful nimbus]

She was that's the weavers magic medium

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[edgy barn]

(the gods of rain and thunder I mean)

[fading shard]

Come on are we really not thinking gods of thunder and rain aren't actual gods, yeah the godseeker is a moron

[slow olive]

Wasnt it a song that put her to sleep tho??

[fading shard]

but they were looking for a new god after their old ones perished

it's stated as much

[sinful nimbus]

Silk and song aren't really entirely separate

[limpid summit]

Gods of Thunder and Rain could be HBs but they’re genuinely featless and their only gas is from someone who calls everyone a God

[vestal swan]

They are on the maybe part, but it stands to reason that they are because they're abandonment ruins their Homeland which I would say is a pretty big fumble/feat.
Like your average Joe is not about to be the one responsible for running and destroying an entire region

[fading shard]

we even see both of their corpses

[limpid summit]

Usually this is a bad defense but in this case it’s true

[sinful nimbus]

For example we activate our own snare through playing a song

[slow olive]

Yea theyre the ones saying GMS was trapped in silk

[sinful nimbus]

The Citadel is presumably the same

[fading shard]

we see their corpses in a secret room

[sinful nimbus]

GMS is bound by a rune that activates through song

[limpid summit]

Yeah they’re dead

Dying doesn’t show that they’re gods

[fading shard]

and we literally see that in the old home of godseeker there was a huge amounts of weather

[fervent sigil]

next hollow knight game, the player will wield a pin

[limpid summit]

You could just as easily argue that they were called that because of where they lived

[sinful nimbus]

They don't even consider them gods

[vestal swan]

@fading shard

They are not definitive

[sinful nimbus]

Godseeker calls them pretenders

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[vestal swan]

Godseeker is a punk ass who probably called them that because they died

[limpid summit]

And even for Winged Nosk she calls it a deceptive god

[fading shard]

I guess that's fair enough

[sinful nimbus]

Well its a god that's literally deceptive

[fading shard]

nosk is not a god

T_T

[sinful nimbus]

By Godseeker standards it is

[limpid summit]

Low

[fading shard]

God seeker considers a vengfly a god

[vestal swan]

Godseeker's stupid definition for the word god, I would honestly just ignore every time she ever said it

[fading shard]

literally vengfly king is called a god T_T

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

I'm talking about Godhome

Nosk is a god in Godhome but not a higher being

"God" has multiple meanings

[fading shard]

I know I SHOULDN"T trust god seekers statements of the god of thunder and rain but the way they are painted makes it seem as though they were actual gods

[fervent sigil]

does higher being equal god?

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[fading shard]

the higher beins are gods

it is stated as such

[fading shard]

it has one meaning it's jsut that god seeker is a moron

[sinful nimbus]

In HK "God" refers to deities/higher beings OR in the specific context of Godhome its just any strong being Godseeker thinks fits the bill

[fading shard]

well one meaning in hollow knight

[vestal swan]

Higher being is the term for proper gods, the ones with actual abilities that can rule over things and such.

A lot of lesser shit gets called gods just by being kind of strong or being worshiped

[sinful nimbus]

Not really

Meta text also considers them gods

[vestal swan]

A lot of words in universe get double used and contradict each other in confusing ways

God is one of them

[sinful nimbus]

Its really not that complex

[limpid summit]

Masks is another

[sinful nimbus]

Its just meaning changing with context

[vestal swan]

Yeah just ignore everything godseeker says

[fading shard]

it's not complex it's just higher being: god

[limpid summit]

Focus is another

[vestal swan]

The context is not clear enough for literally most of the people who played the game to understand it

[fading shard]

and to god seeker everything that breathes is a god

[limpid summit]

God a lot of these have something to do with Godseeker don’t they

[vestal swan]

It's like fingers and thumbs

[sinful nimbus]

Well yeah because no one is paying attention to Godseeker's dialogue but if you do its pretty clear

I can't really blame people for not wanting to read her random archaic wordy nonsense either

[vestal swan]

Soul essence Ghost spirit God focus, at least for focus you can't actually tell the difference pretty easily with the context because each different focus is just a different kind of magical focusing, god that hurt to say

[sinful nimbus]

Pale

[fading shard]

While god seeker calls basically everything a god, in pantheon 5 between each pantheon she does talk about an actual higher being and gives us some info on them the ones in question being Unn, White lady and Pale king

and we know white lady and the Pale king are higher beings as they were called as such

[vestal swan]

Pale is really just a description but a lot of people misconstrue it to be something important

[limpid summit]

Powdered you know what I think is gonna be the new buzzword

[sinful nimbus]

She doesn't really use the term higher being specifically but she reveres them as formerly being exceptionally powerful yes

[limpid summit]

“Compression”

[vestal swan]

It's not the same as soul meaning essence to us and vice versa and both versions being used in game dialogue

[slow olive]

Pale oil comes to mind

[limpid summit]

People are gonna start calling random things Compression once we learn what it is

[vestal swan]

Why what?

[sinful nimbus]

Mods compress this guy and bind him to ore

[limpid summit]

Zi says the fate of powerful beings and steel servants is compression

“Is _ compressed”

[vestal swan]

Are we sure that the steel masters don't just like putting people in cube compactors?

What is the full line for that

[limpid summit]

That would be tuff

[vestal swan]

It sounds weird

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong uses the word pale pretty consistently to refer to soul related things except for Pale Rosary Strings because they hate us