sk-lore

[silk dirge]

i think possibly karak died bc of nature

and not the citadel

[fathom hill]

depends if there is settlement

[silk dirge]

they resisted the citadel for a while but then they dried up

[edgy nebula]

very likely due to gms

[fathom hill]

but does someone even live there

[edgy nebula]

voltvyrm

[drifting patrol]

yeah voltnest

[fathom hill]

we killed it

[edgy nebula]

there are more worms

[drifting patrol]

theres still things inside the voltnest

[stone herald]

Hornet really didn't have to kill voltvyrm lmao

That really did not need to happen

[fathom hill]

yummy tool

[stone herald]

She didn't know there would be a yummy took

[silk dirge]

volt filament go bzzz

[fathom hill]

you could ask her and shed say to practice or something or reward

[drifting patrol]

also if watcher at the edge lived all that time maybe the guys surrounding Khann are still alive?

[edgy nebula]

i wonder if skynx will terrorize sinners road

[edgy nebula]

khann mightve been alive before we killed him

[edgy barn]

She is a hunter and Voltvyrm was prey.

[compact escarp]

What happened to greymoor Seth after we beat him at the nyleth shrine? Did he really lost his memory or he's just pretend to be?

[timber pond]

Well its likely because the environment changed rapidly DUE to the citadel. Watcher at the edges memento implies that they can come back to life at some point. I personally, they they just lack water lol

[silk dirge]

benjin and crull 3: 3: 3:

[fathom hill]

im certain it is said to be the last one though so not sure

[edgy nebula]

he lost his memory and hes a wanderer now

[silk dirge]

dehydrated mfs

[drifting patrol]

their house caves in when you get to act 3

[silk dirge]

ik

[compact escarp]

So he really is...

[edgy nebula]

"Just add water!" khann is secretly a sea monkey

[silk dirge]

honestly im glad all the muckroaches probably die post true ending

[vestal swan]

The what

[silk dirge]

fuck those things

[drifting patrol]

a tas

[fathom hill]

TAS

[edgy nebula]

muckmaggots greow into muckroaches

[edgy barn]

Don't worry there's still plenty of muckmaggots

[edgy nebula]

thousands of muckroaches everywhere now that there arent any tenders

[drifting patrol]

its like something people use to speedrun im not exactly sure what it stands for

[silk dirge]

are muckmaggots haunted

[edgy nebula]

idk

[silk dirge]

the roaches and roachkeepers seem to be

[vestal swan]

Why would a modded version of the game be the canon one

[edgy barn]

Impossible to know as they don't have needolin dialogue.

[drifting patrol]

its not a mod

[silk dirge]

thats the thing is idk if like animals equivalents in silksong can get haunted

[drifting patrol]

idrk how to explain it just look it up

[silk dirge]

like are all the red coral flies haunted

or just angry at us

[vestal swan]

I know what a tas is I'm just didn't believe that's what you were actually saying

[fathom hill]

https://youtu.be/qbOuCqgFf7g?si=s32jS06Zi3CFao6m pop tas for reference

[edgy nebula]

haunted

[vestal swan]

It's modified gameplay that's what mod means

[edgy barn]

tbf I imagine the vast majority of muckmaggots don't survive, which is probably why there are so many in the first place. Muckroaches have tons of offspring so that atleast a few might survive and repeat the cycle.

[fathom hill]

read the thread 👅

[edgy nebula]

skynx will probably keep the roaches in check

he'll get hungry eventually

[silk dirge]

i hope all the bloatroaches have a very nice and peaceful death as well

[drifting patrol]

do all roaches become the bloat roaches or is that ones that are particularly successful at hunting

[fresh badger]

What fuck you bloat roaches are precious big fluffy boys peak Hornet pet

[silk dirge]

also the slubberlugs or whatever

[edgy nebula]

i wonder if groal is the same type of bug as the stilkin or different, like maybe him and ductsuckes had a common ancestor, idk

[stone herald]

Couldn't keep 3 In check

[edgy barn]

They are actually an offshoot, not the same exact species.

[edgy nebula]

skynx, not styx

[drifting patrol]

Ahhh

[fathom hill]

thats not styx mb

[fresh badger]

Pretty sure its less a species and more a result of being in the bilelands for the muckroaches

[silk dirge]

yeah nah ill take an unhaunted furm instead

[edgy nebula]

assuming hornet stops feding him he will eat muckroaches

[drifting patrol]

Its kind of weird that hes so frog looking but isnt even an amphibian

[silk dirge]

furms can stay alive

[edgy barn]

Well the journal calls them an offshoot.

[drifting patrol]

idk what kind of bug groal is meant to be at all

[silk dirge]

🐸

[blissful harbor]

frog

[edgy nebula]

i dont eve see groal as very froglooking, hes miscellaneous bigmouth bug

[fresh badger]

Its form is absurd... Surely it would not be able to hold itself in the air? The noxious gasses in its stomach must provide its levity.```

Ig I can see it as a split population but I still wouldnt classify them a different species

[drifting patrol]

Oh he is a frog

I thought he was a bug that looked like a frog mb

[blissful harbor]

his small legs and big mouth together with the green give huge frog vibes to me

[silk dirge]

i like how hornets entry is literally "according to all known laws of aviation..."

[edgy barn]

...yeah I suppose that reading actually makes more sense.

[fathom hill]

groal is no frog he has wings

[blissful harbor]

but actually he looks like an ugly ass cicada

[edgy nebula]

the wiki has his staggered animation this is great

fucking bum

[fresh badger]

Wtf I dont wanna see uncensored ass

[stone herald]

It's form is absurd

[edgy nebula]

sorry!

[fresh badger]

Ty !

[drifting patrol]

Isnt that what the maroon 5 guy said

[vestal swan]

What

[edgy nebula]

here you go, trigger warning

[silk dirge]

according to all known laws of aviation there is no way a bloatroach should be able to fly

[vestal swan]

[edgy barn]

I thought that had been the mods lol

[fresh badger]

Yo whats up with karaks fish egg things that unleash fragile transient coral

[silk dirge]

thats an in game sprite lol why would they delete that

[vestal swan]

I just thought bloatroaches were ones that reached peak size/hadn't been slaughtered

[silk dirge]

o r b

[edgy nebula]

what

[drifting patrol]

Its like a turtle laid on its back or something

Poor guy

[fresh badger]

The fish egg things you have to break off of the coral to unleash the coral growth

[silk dirge]

i mean its said they are a product of the pollution

[edgy nebula]

oh

[fresh badger]

And that sandworms eat

[edgy nebula]

theyre like, pearls or some shit i think

[fresh badger]

Man tc is ass at writing fr fr

[edgy barn]

They do?

[vestal swan]

I mean it's all disgusting down there so I didn't think that made a difference

[fresh badger]

0 karak lore

[silk dirge]

true

[drifting patrol]

Usually they end up falling into those big pits of the worms

[fresh badger]

Ye they'll eat the pearl eggs when you knock them in

[silk dirge]

if i was president sherma id just like erase that entire area and start over

[edgy nebula]

khann is so cool it's such a bummer we got nothing on him

[silk dirge]

that whole area is cooked

[edgy nebula]

ruled half of pharloom with 0 lore

[vestal swan]

It's weird that they eat the gold orb things and the grenades can kill them but they don't eat tacks or saws, TC has clearly never watched tremors

[fresh badger]

LMAO

[drifting patrol]

gravoid reference waow

[vestal swan]

Like I had to have somebody tell me you could kill them with grenades bc i had already tried all the other tools that made sense

[stone herald]

Sherma might just go in on a diplomatic mission

I can see sherma doing that and having to be baild out by second sentinel or something

[silk dirge]

stilkin, fleas, and skynx are the only things that would remain alive probably unless theres some unhaunted roach keeper somewhere

[edgy barn]

To who everyone is dead

[stone herald]

Oh right the haunting

[silk dirge]

stilkin arent haunted

[drifting patrol]

Theres def a noticeable difference in how much we know about the other 3 kingdoms

[fresh badger]

Hey can we talk about how Hornet laughs at Zango's death by her hands and says "haha thats what you get for spreading the plasmium that terrified you because your master ordered it" when her ass contributed to the ordeal by harvesting plasmium and giving it to xylotol

[edgy nebula]

they are, i had this discussion yesterday

[edgy barn]

They are actually. Groal gets the strings when you play needolin.

[silk dirge]

oh what

so angry you get haunted lol

[stone herald]

Based as hell, screw zango

[silk dirge]

i mean it wouldve happened regardless of what she did

[stone herald]

But yeah after hallownest I imagine she has no empathy for people screwing with that

[fresh badger]

Nuh uh xylotol's fat ass wasnt gonna crawl thru wormways to harvest the plasmium buds

Thats why he makes you do it

[silk dirge]

what kind of irl drug is plasmium

[drifting patrol]

He probably wouldve had someone else end up doing it

[fresh badger]

Not if you keep him locked up

[silk dirge]

plasmium is just blue lean imo

[drifting patrol]

if he managed to swindle zango and hornet into doing it i dont doubt some pilgrim would wander from bonegrave to the wormways

and end up harvesting it for him

[fresh badger]

They'd get eaten by groms indubitably

[drifting patrol]

Prob tbf

[silk dirge]

i think as sherma id nuke wormways as well

i dont think xyolotl lives much longer

[fresh badger]

Ngl Hornet really fucked Pharloom over

[stone herald]

Do we just agree sherma has launch codes

[silk dirge]

yes

[edgy nebula]

not reeally

[stone herald]

She did her best

Shaman snare was a good idea, but A: lace was unaccounted for. B:shamans were being shady about it

[drifting patrol]

In her defense she didn't intend to let the abyss use gms' powers

[agile coral]

sherma doesnt need launch codes he could solo anyone

[stone herald]

True

[silk dirge]

fa ri do la ci ne ma

[fresh badger]

• actively destroyed wormways
• destroys Far Fields by killing the Old Heart sustaining it and not allowing that power to pass down to a new skarr
• destroys Nyleth who is sustaining shellwood pond
• overthrows the craw judicial system through violent bloodshed
• • kills innocent jurors

[drifting patrol]

the only reason gms didnt just give up and let the void take her was because lace also fell into the snare

[fresh badger]

Need I continue

[silk dirge]

i mean far fields was fucked anyways

[stone herald]

The wormways was just uneccessey yeah, but the rest was worth it

[silk dirge]

karmelita was old and would die soon regardless

[vestal swan]

I don't think Carmelita was using magic to keep it sustained I think she just basically kept it hidden and blocked off so nobody could fuck it up like all the pollution and shit ruined everything else

[drifting patrol]

karmelita doesnt even use magic shes just that good at singing

[silk dirge]

it doesnt help the only living skarr is the boomerang guy

[vestal swan]

I mean it could be a spell what I meant to say is I don't think it's an inherent ability

[edgy barn]

tbf the craw judicial system was ultra corrupt. Crawfather was legally inmune to prosecution.

[drifting patrol]

yea

[silk dirge]

anyways what i would do as president sherma is
-locate everyone whos alive and didnt get haunted and make sure theyre safe
-start nuking shit

[fresh badger]

Yea but the old hearts are power passed down over the generations and Horner straight up nukes the powers behind coral gorge, far fields, shellwood, and verdania. The 4 magical beautiful pretty places

[drifting patrol]

also yeah she didn't know not to trust the caretaker she acts really shocked when she finds them without their cloaks/hats hiding their shells in the chapel

[fresh badger]

Yea and

[muted lantern]

craw justice system is trial by combat, she did the trial as they wanted

[drifting patrol]

she had no reason not to trust the nice bug taking care of the Songclave

[silk dirge]

who the fuck is karmelita passing her power down to

the one mottled skarr whos still living?

[edgy barn]

why not

[drifting patrol]

he is not alive in act 3 either

[fresh badger]

Yeah

[edgy barn]

No that's a different one

[silk dirge]

the guy who upgrades your boomerang

[drifting patrol]

wait is it the fractured mask guy or am i dumb

[fresh badger]

And also gilly

Like just make gilly the new opera singer damn

[drifting patrol]

ohh forgot about him my fault

[silk dirge]

gilly isnt a skarr

[lethal burrow]

baiiit

[fresh badger]

Who says magic hearts need genetics

[drifting patrol]

how would someone that isnt skarr become the song queen of the skarr tho

[silk dirge]

who says magic hearts get passed down

like who was khann passing down his heart to

great conchflies?

i sure fucking hope not

[drifting patrol]

if it was to get passed down probably jus to one of his soldiers

maybe the big ones that summon spikes

[silk dirge]

yeah but theyre all dead lol

[stone herald]

She knew the caretaker was more than he let on

[silk dirge]

idk whats up with watcher

[drifting patrol]

I thought they were just like crusted over

[silk dirge]

bro forgot to die

[drifting patrol]

the watcher at the edge isnt dead so like maybe the other guys aren't? idk

[silk dirge]

anyways saying hornet fucks up pharloom by taking the old hearts doesnt make sense bc like if she didnt then the void just takes all of it

[drifting patrol]

yeah i dont think she fucked up pharloom

[silk dirge]

if she never did snared silk gms does bad shit and messes up pharloom

[drifting patrol]

i mean it was already doomed if anything

[silk dirge]

old hearts are best outcome

[vivid kernel]

guys is karmelita a skar leader or the skarr queen

[edgy barn]

She is the queen

[silk dirge]

anyways back on president sherma id go talk to the fleas about sending both kratt and vog to jail

kratt for obvious reasons, vog for neglect or some shit

vog is like you find a missing child and then charge the police money to actually find them

[muted lantern]

so do beings like karmelita and vespa just get big when they get old?

because isnt vespas corpse huge?

and old karmelita is larger

[stone herald]

old karmelita isnt bigger than vespa

[muted lantern]

bigger than her past self i mean

im saying they both grew

[vital ruin]

Did seem odd they grow bigger when they are queens of their colony

reproduction reasons maybe?

[elder rune]

To be entirely fair to Kratt, Hornet beat the living shit out of him & then threatened to kill him to the point that he will likely never act creepy (Or as creepy) towards any other bugwomen ever again, likely meaning prison is not necessary. However, I do believe he should be juggled and forced to bathe in the Muckmaggot pool to ruin his fur.

[muted lantern]

but they seem to be at the small size at their peak, at the height of their colony after they have already mothered a ton of children, but they only appear huge when their colony is falling apart

even white lady is bigger than she used to be after her kingdom is falling apart

tho shes a special case

[elfin niche]

Is that odd?

Most queens in insect colonies are much larger than the other bugs.

[vital ruin]

Ik but the change was pretty drastic

Turned giant

[vital ruin]

It just be could that Karmelita and Vespa are young queens not doing reproduction yet

[edgy nebula]

all of the ants are karmelita’s children

[vital ruin]

even in her youth?

[edgy nebula]

and theyre present in the dream and have been present in pharloom for awhile

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[muted lantern]

idk, that kinda guy never changes if they still behave that way as a grown man

[gray obsidian]

Criminal negligence?

[inner torrent]

My theory is that as their kingdoms started to be threatened they resorted to a physical change to focus on reproduction

[gray obsidian]

That’s what I thought

[elder rune]

Yeah that’s fair, I am kinda too optimistic sometimes.

[vital ruin]

Makes sense honestly

[gray obsidian]

YALL I DID THE MEASUREMENTS BUT THEIR KINDA FLAWED

karmelita is smaller I think

Excluding their face antennys

[vital ruin]

Trying to know which ones bigger?

[gray obsidian]

Yeag

[vital ruin]

hard to accurately tell karmelita when she's slumped down like that

[gray obsidian]

Ya

[dry bridge]

I think the wormways thing would probably happen either way unless hornet decided to kill the alchemist to stop him from continuing his research. it was Xylotl injecting a bunch of wormways bugs with lifeblood that caused it to be overgrown, not hornet helping out with harvesting what xylotl already put there.

that being said she should NOT have trusted him in the first place if she had any reason to expect lifeblood to go off like that

[fresh badger]

Karmelita also went from smol to fat

Oh wait im dum

[dry bridge]

also nyleth journal says "would have once" implying that she was not doing that in modern day, evidenced from us getting the memory not from an old and withered nyleth but from a shrine dedicated to her.

[vital ruin]

hard to tell when we cant get a good look

[dusk harness]

Are we gonna talk about how Hornet says Greyroot is not a bug

Like what is she then

What is the Twisted Bud?

[stone herald]

something fucked up and evil

[stone herald]

seems to be a plant based life form

like how the fungi arent a bug or beast

[dusk harness]

The root imagery makes me think something plantlike, like the White Lady, but it’s also very tentacle-ish

And I can’t tell if the tentacle-ish ness is a purely artistic choice or if this is actually some kind of plant Cthulhu

[muted lantern]

shes something similar to white lady, but def not a higher being

[dusk harness]

Though since the parasite can absorb Grand Mother Silk and the whole Twisted Child ending it can be implied whatever her species is has the capability to be elevated to higher being status

[dusk harness]

You’re definitely right about the white lady similarities though, the twisted child ending root thing looks a lot like the amplified White Lady root system we see in godhome

[graceful grail]

Guys, are bugs mouth INSIDE their shells??

cause you don’t see their mouth move when they talk

[lost nacelle]

they're wearing masks

or most of them are. otherwise just seems a design choice

[silk dirge]

maybe people in this channel would know how do i see silksong file names and stuff like that

theres a google drive or smth right

also how easy is it to like decompile silksong code i assume its not easy

i just really really want to know if i can find any more information on the silksong steam badge its not that deep probably but like im actually so curious if theres any cut code that could possibly reveal what quest that was used for

i just have a feeling there has to be some reason they used this icon for the foil instead of the everbloom

[inner torrent]

I get this means she was sustaining it from the curse

[wispy drum]

Hey just a quick question why is Vespa so small in the red memory if in the hive in hollow knight you can see she's giant in the background?

[vital ruin]

We were just talking about this awhile ago 🤣

Could be that was Vespa in her youth

[wispy drum]

@vital ruin ah got it my theory was she was infected and the radiance contorted her body to make more bees

[muted lantern]

it seems like queen bugs tend to grow a lot when their civilization is falling, no clue why, but it happens with vespa karmelita and white lady too

tho wl isnt really a bug

[inner torrent]

IG it depends, for example, Grimm has a mouth under the shell, in this weird, neck space

[vital ruin]

As far as i know the Hive was largely unaffected by the radiance's infection

Since their hive was isolated in "kindom's edge"

[wispy drum]

@vital ruin well if you do kill them they do show infection particles

[vital ruin]

That could also be honey

One way to know for sure if the infection is in them is on the eyes

[inner torrent]

They are definetly infected when we find them.
But they probably took longer to

[whole marsh]

The hive was infected, after Vespa fell. There’s even notes stating that it wasn’t a big transition for the bees since they were already operating on a similar hive mind state to the Radiance’s infection.

[vital ruin]

Their eyes appear more golden instead of the orange color for the infection of the radiance

[whole marsh]

So for them it was more like Rad got admin rights to their hive mind instead of having to force herself in and break their mind & body like other bugs.

[wispy drum]

It seems like she's more hanging than just. Laying down?

[whole marsh]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6rvds8/comment/dl82cq8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

confirmed to be infected via Team Cherry AMA

[wispy drum]

The Shadows show that she's probably hunched over as well so she's probably being hung

[dry bridge]

I think in the old days of pre-haunting pharloom, when she was still around nyleth could actively control most of the plantlife in shellwood to ensure it was safe for travelers & hunters. but with no nyleth and the haunting making most things aggressive, shellwood aint a nice place anymore

[graceful kraken]

guys what's up with the sylphean slugs....are they some race of pale beings...?

[silk dirge]

possibly

well not higher beings

but related to pale higher beings in some way

[vestal swan]

Pale doesn't need to be a higher being it's a description

[sinful nimbus]

Sylphean slugs are entities like Salubra's Blessing that can be conjured by slugs

[inner torrent]

The what

[sinful nimbus]

"Pale" just seems to be a word related to soul usage rather than specifically Pale Beings

[limpid summit]

You think Salubra’s Blessing has organs

I’m more inclined to believe Salubra herself is one

[vestal swan]

It doesn't

[limpid summit]

You’ve beaten me down

[vestal swan]

Salubras purple

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but they aren't drawn so the game can maintain its E10+ rating duh

[sinful nimbus]

Same difference

[limpid summit]

Wdym same difference

[sinful nimbus]

Sylphean slugs are like their stand or something i haven't watched jojo's

[vestal swan]

Not at all

[inner torrent]

I mean, we don't know how they look, thy could be any color.

[limpid summit]

Kirb what are you talking about

[sinful nimbus]

🥀

[limpid summit]

Oh wait this is your “Starpengu” account

Powdered I’m joking

Don’t worry don’t worry

[sinful nimbus]

bro trying to get me killed

[limpid summit]

I still think Unn is legit a Sylphean slug

She looks like an irl slug but she obviously isn’t just a regular HK slug

It’s more crackpot than Nuu is Unn’s daughter though

[edgy barn]

...for real?

[lethal burrow]

Yeah, it makes much more sense if she's just a reincarnation

[vestal swan]

The oil is pale and the thing it's coming out of is not salubra coded and they're called pale to iirc?

[vestal swan]

This is what happens when you listen to Star say the same crackhead shit 50 times in a row

[limpid summit]

I really hope she’s not a reincarnation and don’t think she is anyway

I feel like she’d just be the daughter

[vestal swan]

They are not related

[sinful nimbus]

No I hate that theory

[limpid summit]

They have to be related

[vestal swan]

No they don't

[limpid summit]

They have very little in common besides their names and designs so it’s not like she’s a spiritual successor

[lethal burrow]

It's odd that such a name would be coincidental though

[vestal swan]

Yeah but when you keep saying the same crackheaded stuff people think of something adjacent just to be near the crackhead theory but not be on the same page

[limpid summit]

Sorry Tammo Nuu is not a kissing bug

[vestal swan]

They're neither tbh

[vestal swan]

By the law of hollow Knight similarities, it's not enough. Esmy /isma, thk/mantis head shape, fury of the fallen statue/shadelord etc

[limpid summit]

Dude we never see Esmy and that’s in bad faith come on

[vestal swan]

The only similarity is a "reversed" name? Cmon

[limpid summit]

You brought up examples of both name similarities and visual similarities

Nuu/Unn have both

[vestal swan]

They do not share any visual similarities

[limpid summit]

We play the same game

[vestal swan]

One looks like a pimple that walked away while it was being popped

[sinful nimbus]

They want to be me so bad

[vestal swan]

Ones a giant green acid bathing slug godess

[inner torrent]

Wait the thing Is coming out is like an organ? I supposed it was just a crafting which included random bug stuff, as it looks to be glassy

[limpid summit]

Her full body is legit Unn’s head

She has a shell backpack she’s clearly meant to be evocative of a slug like Unn is

[vestal swan]

It looks like a bug butt

[vestal swan]

Slugs don't wear shells or backpacks last time I checked

[edgy barn]

The item description says it is a gland containing liquid.

[graceful kraken]

pale oil...

[limpid summit]

Bro what do you think a slug is

[graceful kraken]

bile gland. like for digestion.

[limpid summit]

There’s probably better ways you could strike this down

[vestal swan]

If you say a snail without a shell I'm going to throw a missile at your house

[inner torrent]

Wouldn't it make more sense to think nuu is related to salubra?

[limpid summit]

I’m not convinced at the moment

[vestal swan]

you have done nothing but list similarities that don't exist

[sinful nimbus]

Unn ain't sylphean

[limpid summit]

They exist unless you are genuinely blind and deaf

They look and sound similar I don’t know what else to tell you

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah Unn is slug adjacent that's true

[lethal burrow]

Was the last time you checked the trailer with the snail village?

[inner torrent]

Unn doesn't seem to have any connection to soul, so he/she/it is most likely just a super sluggy

[lethal burrow]

A snail without a shell is just a slug

[limpid summit]

Irl slugs are snails with no shell or an internal one correct

[inner torrent]

Let's be honest, this game is NOT really good with how anatomy works

[lethal burrow]

adjacent? Aren't they just literally a slug?

[limpid summit]

Ofc this doesn’t apply to HK but Nuu and Unn are both bugs with visible irl sluglike qualities

[lethal burrow]

It plays fast and loose with anything bug related

[limpid summit]

That does not mean they are slugs but they both have qualities that set them apart as creatures similar to their irl counterpart

[limpid summit]

Probably would be but WJ says Salubra is a slug so we can’t call her one

She isn’t a slug in HK

[inner torrent]

I like the unn is a young radiance theory

[limpid summit]

Nuu looks like a slug in more buglike form

She’s just the head of a slug with nubs

The reincarnation theory would be funny as fuck idk if I believe it

[lethal burrow]

Time travel

[limpid summit]

But I do think they’re related in some aspect

[vestal swan]

Unn / Nuu
Green pink
Massive tiny
Goddess weirdo child
Sluglike half popped pimple
Benevolent meat hungry hunter
??? Snail themed bag
Non vocal speaks and writes

???

[vestal swan]

You mean the cut content from the first game trailer? Not a slug

[lethal burrow]

yeah, you said "last time i checked" so I reference something that was very old implying that you had not checked in a while

[inner torrent]

Are shaman's shells real shells or just hats?

[vestal swan]

I've watched that trailer more recently than I've experienced some of the first game

[lethal burrow]

This is what we call discord argumentation that's honest and in good faith

I'm very smart

[limpid summit]

As in are they biological?

[vestal swan]

It's their shells

Only some of them are hats

Well only some of them go on the heads

[limpid summit]

Wow they’re different colors and sizes ooh

Unn and Nuu have inverted names and they both appear sluglike objectively this is a fair similarity to call attention to

[vestal swan]

You have given me no actual similarities between them and I'm giving you a giant list of things that they don't share so

[limpid summit]

“Unn doesn’t talk”

[vestal swan]

Nothing about nuu is sluglike

[limpid summit]

What would she even say

[stone herald]

youre telling us that 3 unns were killed for hornets needle to get stronger

[vestal swan]

Something more than spitting a charm at you

[inner torrent]

I'm dying seek help

[limpid summit]

It’s in her nature idk

[lethal burrow]

This conversation feels like we're talking about this image, but like actually seriously and not as a joke

[vestal swan]

Equally crackheaded idea

[inner torrent]

No wait, this is actually peak

[vestal swan]

It's wrong

Greyroots kids don't grow up

[limpid summit]

This is ridiculous Nuu -> Unn is peak

[lethal burrow]

It's wrong that it's wrong or it's wrong that it's peak

[limpid summit]

but it is funny

[inner torrent]

It makes all sense.
that's why zote is so similar to the knight.
And it makes my Greyroot is a young white lady theory make more sense

[lethal burrow]

zote seems pretty immature to me

[vestal swan]

Except for the fact that he's an old man

[lethal burrow]

evidence?

[limpid summit]

I don’t think Nuu would need to be green and gigantic for us to draw connections

[lethal burrow]

Proof, I don't see any proof here this person is a no proofer!

[vestal swan]

Elder bug using old man terms for him the fact that his face looks wrinkly and he's grey which is mentioned to show something is old twice in silksong

[limpid summit]

Unn’s benevolence and passiveness can be humorously juxtaposed with Nuu’s desire to eat dead things and lick Hornet

[inner torrent]

What is the point there tho? If zote doesn't grow what does that profs

[lethal burrow]

i'm gonna need you to get the exact dialogue, sir

[limpid summit]

The snail backpack doesn’t matter that’s obviously a funny little thing it’s not like it’s biological

[vestal swan]

No I'm tired and I'm going to bed in like 10 minutes

Have an emote of his face instead

[vestal swan]

That theory is not true

[lethal burrow]

But it could be

[vestal swan]

It can't it goes against the logic of both characters

[inner torrent]

I mean yeh but how, hooooow

[lethal burrow]

But it could be tho

[vestal swan]

For one having no father

[limpid summit]

Doesn’t Elderbug ignore Zote

[vestal swan]

After calling him annoying like three different times

[limpid summit]

Zote is not the son of Greyroot

But Nuu on the other hand when compared to Unn

[vestal swan]

It never made sense to begin with it was just one tiny similarity between three characters

[limpid summit]

Sluglike being, large, goddess, silent, pacifist, named Unn
Sluglike being, small, regular, talkative, violent, named Unn inverted

[vestal swan]

Slugs are the new blackwyrm

They are not slug like why do you keep saying it

[limpid summit]

You can’t tell me parallels don’t exist I’m not trying to argue Nuu is anything just that these comparisons can be made

[limpid summit]

Nuu?

[vestal swan]

The parallels are not there you are completely imagining all of them

Is there maybe a gas leak in your house

[limpid summit]

She genuinely has the exact same eyestalks, has an inverted name, carries around a shell backpack as a little slug joke

Powdered you can say “I disagree with this” instead of “this doesn’t exist”

[lethal burrow]

yeah, but it's more fun to say the second one though

[limpid summit]

I love you though keep doing what you’re doing

[lethal burrow]

Can you believe there's still people who think the last judge is a robot?

[vestal swan]

Why did Marceline suck the color out of her

[inner torrent]

Zote is pale king all over afain

[lethal burrow]

everywhere but the lips though she must've avoided that spot especially

[light verge]

Never even processed the reversed name, the fuck TC.

[stuck berry]

you are three em-dashes away from sounding like chatgpt

[limpid summit]

Woah hey shal

[lethal burrow]

Motherfucker, that's just bullet points

Bullet points are normal

[graceful grail]

Zote obviously lost his mind is shellwood. I bet he was a very destructive warrior before then.

[bronze turret]

Speaking as an illustrator, that's definitely a design based after the general shape of a caracol! But, it's just on a visual level

[vestal swan]

• fire ..
• no they aren't both slugs
• they aren't trees

[lethal burrow]

This is all true though

[light verge]

oh shoot my lore silence has been broken, ignore me I’m just an observer taking notes (hey apple)

[vestal swan]

Not from pharloom at all most likely

[graceful grail]

He could have been passing thru

[inner torrent]

Maybe he looked buff like the grey prince but some bugs drinker all his muscles out

[limpid summit]

I like joking about the GT FotF collection but that one genuinely doesn’t exist you’re right
Nuu I believe exists in some shape fashion or form
Greyroot and WL are fairly obviously meant to parallel each other as Roots

[graceful grail]

His sword is shellwood, so he was there

[stuck berry]

they're all formulaic in nature "while x is x y is y" also i'm a vlie hater

[limpid summit]

Regardless of their obvious differences it’s not like Team Cherry designed Greyroot without meaning for people to draw parallels

[inner torrent]

Yeah, Greyroot and wl are too similar to be a coincidence.

[vestal swan]

Shellwood sprouted from Nyleth who might be foreign

Other shellwoods can exist

[inner torrent]

True

[limpid summit]

Like sequoia national park is the name of a park where sequoia trees grow

[lethal burrow]

you've been caught in a web of not quite true.

[stuck berry]

i forget is nyleth a higher being or is that up in the air

[limpid summit]

Who knows

[lethal burrow]

she's not she's just the first flower of the forest.

[vestal swan]

Them both being roots does give them some kind of a tie, maybe not even technically the same species but in the same ballpark

[lethal burrow]

SHE'S THE FIRST FLOWER OF THE

Of

She came from it

[inner torrent]

Guys, it's literally stated she is not a higher being...

[graceful grail]

True, but i think zote would get his sword from shellwood in pharloom kuz it’s probably closest and there is no definitive evidence there is shellwood elseware

[limpid summit]

Only confirmed HBs are GMS and probably Weaver Queen. If we want to say any SS character is a HB we have to ignore all the dream essence society creating worship stuff that was a commonality in HK and start seeing which creatures “exist above all others” since that was the only quality TC actually gave us about HBs

[bronze turret]

The Pale Lake also has pale in its name, doesn't necessarily mean Pale Beings were there. Also the 'shellwood' in Zote's weapon description is in lower case, meaning it's a generic material, not a material with a unique moniker, like Pale Ore for example.

[vestal swan]

Imo yes bc not only is she the start of shellwood but had control over it while alive

[vestal swan]

There is no reference for how close the two kingdoms are

[limpid summit]

Nyleth may be Greyroot may(?) be I don’t think there’s any other prospectives

[lethal burrow]

Hornet thinks she's a higher being well before the end of the game

[inner torrent]

Considering she is a heart, most likely not.
But something much similar to big thinkers or great bugs like the mantis Lords or herrah

[stuck berry]

okay so silksong introduces two higher beings now i can't get mad at it for only showing us one new one

[limpid summit]

Doesn’t she place herself apart from pale beings and mostly talk about that as an aspect of her lineage

[graceful grail]

If i was TC, i wouldnt make it more complicated. It seems like they intend for the connection between zote and shellwood

[limpid summit]

I don’t think she’s a HB until she binds GMS

[graceful grail]

Did Nyleth alter Seths mind??

[limpid summit]

Prolly

[inner torrent]

Are all weaver's pale?

[graceful grail]

Could Nyleth alter Zotes Mind?

[vestal swan]

HB of Pharloom

• Granny Silk
• Nyleth (she has feats)
• palestag (has feats but might be a hallucination)
  🚫 Mr Krabs it's not the only Coral Bender or king
  🚫 Karmelita just preserved an area by locking it away and protecting it, possibly with songs magic but not an inherent ability
  ??? Greyroot: the thing she's known for is an immortality ritual which does not necessarily make her a higher being but have exclusive magic spells

[stuck berry]

white lady - gives live greyroot - leeches off it the knight - familial connection to WL, sets out on it's goal because it has to, no voice to cry suffering zote - ambiguous connection to greyroot, is only a hero for the glory of it, talks too much

[limpid summit]

Woah woah what

Palestag feats: 🫙

[stuck berry]

isn't palestag not even real though just a legend they believed in verdania?

[limpid summit]

It may have been real

[vestal swan]

He is similarly connected to Vedania's plants

[limpid summit]

But what feats

[vestal swan]

But again could be a fake creature

[bronze turret]

I would say the opposite. Trying to connect a character whose role is to play the parody of the hero's rival solely for jokes to a very distant land just because of his weapon's material name sounds more convoluted.

[graceful grail]

I dont know about Zote Greyroot connection

[limpid summit]

Anyone but WL dawg 💔

[stuck berry]

two damage cutters

[stuck berry]

we know zote is tied to shellwood so it's been theorized

[vestal swan]

Well one is stated so

[inner torrent]

Do you think greyness is a think? Like if paleness is relationship with soul, what would greyness be

[vestal swan]

Grey is used to call things visibly old

Ingame

[limpid summit]

PV, Mantis Petras, Mossflies, Loodles, Marmu, Caelif and Fera, Kingsoul, Delicate Flower, basically every third plant in QG

[bronze turret]

A joke. Zote is a trope parody of the hero's rival who thinks he's a big deal, when in fact he's not.

[stuck berry]

like grey prince zote

[lethal burrow]

mask maker: "it is a rare want of your caste to serve us mortal bugs."
hornet: "I am not my kin, Maker. I have seen enough pain born of their dominion. As much as I may, I choose to stand apart"

hornet speaking to green prince: "You were mortal bugs, caught beneath a being pale... Devotion or destruction... these are the only fates my kind allow."

Now whether you think she's correct about her self evaluation is another conversation, but she seems to regard herself among their few.

[limpid summit]

But it’s not “stated” so whatev

Hornet isn’t a HB

[graceful grail]

Imo, zote is incredibly powerfull, but something that happened on his visit to shellwood changed him (when he would get his shellwood nail life ender).

[limpid summit]

What changes in SS that makes her a HB before Weaver Queen cause she wasn’t one in HK

[stuck berry]

zote is in no way powerful the only times we see him powerful are under bretta's deluded distortions of him

[graceful grail]

Im saying in his youth, he may have been the real deal.

[stuck berry]

i highly doubt that

[vestal swan]

Yes
grey p zote - old bastard
Greyroot - old and about to rebirth
Phantom - noted by hornet to have greyed with age

[inner torrent]

Hmmm... I theorized that Greyroot could be a young root similar to the white lady but without finalizing her growing cycle.
But maybe it's the opposite, she is in the end part, all her soul had already been shared, now it only keeps in life through leeching

[bronze turret]

Ok, I think this bears clarification, but are we discussing headcanons or canon here?

[graceful grail]

He has survived very long thru dangerous lands though

[vestal swan]

We know she's at the end she tells us, she's planning on using the ritual to get younger again

Greyroots current body is very old

[stuck berry]

bro is falling for zote's own self-propaganda

[graceful grail]

He hasent been in hallownest long because he isnt infected, and if he has been there the whole time, he is somehow immune to infection

[vestal swan]

Zote could have actually been somebody when he was young, but that's not something anybody is about to corroborate

[stuck berry]

he doesn't get infected because he doesn't sleep by his own admission

[inner torrent]

Interesting, if my theory was correct then white lady would have gotten out of the cycle through isolating herself, in a permanent peak body.

[lethal burrow]

Does anybody have the exact text for phantoms hunters journal entry?

[graceful grail]

He stated that he dosent dream to be specific

[vestal swan]

Depending on how similar they actually are white lady could have got out of the cycle just by eating something powerful like the wyrm corpse

[limpid summit]

Though grey with age, their frayed form suggested a being strung from Silk, one who welcomed a decisive end in combat over a slow decline.

[graceful grail]

Myla diddnt sleep to get infected.

[lethal burrow]

by whom were they tasked?

[vestal swan]

Myla either passed out working or died on her feet

[vestal swan]

Yes

[graceful grail]

Still Singing?

[lethal burrow]

I feel this is a key that we should be investing our vision into

[stuck berry]

we don't see myla all the time and she doesn't say if she dreams or not

[inner torrent]

Huh, so that weapon is called longpin? Not just a normal pin

[bronze turret]

Zote is an unreliable narrator. Everything he says is to pretend. He is a joke on the "dark and brooding" edgy rival who claims to have no weaknesses.

[limpid summit]

Wait Powdered you forgot another creature that’s likely a HB in Silksong

[lethal burrow]

There's only three people who could've tasked Phantom, which do you think it is

[limpid summit]

Mister Mushroom

[lethal burrow]

grandmother silk, the conductors, or the Weavers.

[graceful grail]

He could be remembering his Firey Youth

[limpid summit]

Genuinely textbook definition of existing above all others, plus his veneration by Hornet implies he’s not some fraud

[stuck berry]

hollow knight original character + whether he is or isn't is up in the air

i doubt it personally

it'd be much funnier if he was just some philosopher

great sage etc but not a god

[limpid summit]

I know we shy away from calling him one because he’s sort of meta but he genuinely does fit the bill

He doesn’t have to have world shaking powers he’s just above the struggles of regular bugs even Wyrms

[inner torrent]

Right!!!!

[limpid summit]

That puts him in HB status right

[bronze turret]

Unless you have solid evidence, you realize this idea belongs in the realm of headcanons, right?

[vestal swan]

I consider Mr mushroom HB

[limpid summit]

The thing is Zote genuinely is an unreliable narrator and there’s actual evidence

[vestal swan]

Some weird people fight me on it for some reason

[lethal burrow]

he flies pretty high up there. I think he probably exists above all others I mean, do you see any other higher beings flying up that high into the sky?

[bronze turret]

I have my very own, but I'd rather not bring them into a space where people are trying to separate canon from personal musings

[vestal swan]

I was mostly going for the originals

[limpid summit]

When we dream nail him in Colo (you can’t lie to the nail) he thinks he won
So he’s genuinely mentally ill

Fair fair

[stuck berry]

not a higher being not a normal thing but secret third thing

[inner torrent]

Do you think Mr mushroom is the fountain of mushrooms or just a mushroom that resulted to be a higher being?

[limpid summit]

I’ve seen people genuinely try to argue secret third thing as if TC didn’t specifically give us this definition

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck

[lethal burrow]

do you think they're going to introduce a Mrs. mushroom

[stuck berry]

he's the herald which is a title it's not like herald is a seperate thing

[stuck berry]

they should make out mushy style

[vestal swan]

It's a goose

[limpid summit]

So true

[lapis creek]

duck dont talk

[limpid summit]

Quack

[inner torrent]

A duck once talked to me in a dream

[graceful grail]

Would the journal entries of him be accepted?

[stuck berry]

i saw a duck turn into a rabbit once after i played my awesome flute

[limpid summit]

Wdym? Bretta’s?

She likes to embellish and Zote makes stuff up so not really

[lethal burrow]

I think they mean the one where he fist fights you

[graceful grail]

The stuff above what she says

[inner torrent]

Do you think mount fay bird is a hb or a "great" being like hollow knight giant worm-slug that is around pale king corpse

[stuck berry]

no way that's a higher being

we haven't seen her display any sort of godly powers unless you'd want to count "gives hornet her down" which is a reach

[limpid summit]

Oh the meta text? Yes that’s canonically viable

[lapis creek]

described as 'heart of frost'

[bronze turret]

From the way Mask Maker talks about her, I was given the impression she is, cuz he says people who lived around the mountains considered her a deity or something to that effect

[limpid summit]

A self-proclaimed Knight, of no renown. Wields a nail he carved from shellwood, named 'Life Ender.'

You mean these?

[inner torrent]

I also like the idea of hollow knight world birds being "higher beings to the bugs"

[bronze turret]

I don't know about all birds, but definitely Fayforn!

[inner torrent]

O right, the crows are technically birds???

[stuck berry]

the craws aren't birds they're bugs cosplaying as birds

[hushed acorn]

Crawsplayers

[inner torrent]

Like the moors that cosplay rats and hawks?

[stuck berry]

grey moor is so cool it's got minimum wage workers, rats and hawks t-

[lethal burrow]

But only one boss per act

[inner torrent]

Hornet mentions she shares the curse of infertility, do you think she tried to go for a baby before?

[lethal burrow]

[stuck berry]

she's had mates before so probably

[whole marsh]

When is this mentioned?

[inner torrent]

The infertility curse while talking to Eva
The mating... I don't really remember, I think green prince description?

[stuck berry]

conchflies

the concept of killing someone with a dead lover and writing about them in your journal with "i too had lovers"

[whole marsh]

She mentions having mates in the past and weavers having trouble reproducing but I don’t recall her speaking about herself specifically

[muted lantern]

hornet after violently executing a pair of wild animals "i miss my wife, i miss her a lot"

[whole marsh]

Oh so you’re making an inference

Not explicitly stated

[inner torrent]

What, the gender of her mates?

[whole marsh]

Ohhh so it is explicitly stated, I missed that while playing. Very interesting

[whole marsh]

No her infertility

But that link shows she does mention she has the same issue

[inner torrent]

Oh, yeah, it's an interesting fact, Is odd how much interesting stuff is hidden in extremely specific conversations

[humble peak]

Technically she only says she shares the curse, not that she's tried
though idk how she'd know otherwise unless it's like
something you can just tell

[stuck berry]

her infertility senses were tingling

[whole marsh]

I feel like this is enough to say she has the same issue

Especially since she’s had mates in the past.

[humble peak]

Y'all ever think about how Herra looks nothing like a Weaver
like ??

[inner torrent]

I have two theories for that

[stuck berry]

you are far far far from the first person to say this and you will not be the last

[humble peak]

Also is it just me or do the Pharloom Weavers look different from the ones in HK
Like I don't think they had those spiky "crowns" in their heads in the last game, they were just smooth, right?

[limpid summit]

She wasn’t supposed to be one initially and TC made her one for the story she wanted to tell

[humble peak]

that makes sense

[stuck berry]

the first sinner is the only weaver with an odd shaped head every other weaver is spherical

[limpid summit]

HK showed all Weavers as homogenous, SS showed they have some variance that’s not supes crazy

[stuck berry]

sans herrah and widow of course

[limpid summit]

I just don’t like herrah weaver but eh it’s fact

Pure cope

[humble peak]

Well Widow had her face ripped off or whatever so

[inner torrent]

Theory 1: She is a different kind of spider, maybe a spider that was super big from birth so by being transformed she became super thicccc.

Second theory: She is not pure, like, we know there are lots of weavers that are only weaver in part, half, eight, or something like that, so maybe she is part weaver part other thing, prob a native spider from deepnest

[stuck berry]

giving birth does things to you

[humble peak]

Don't we see a bunch with the spiky heads in the memory cutscenes

[stuck berry]

is that not just the spider that becomes first sinner

[inner torrent]

Yeah that makes sense

[humble peak]

this is the funniest interpretation and also genuinely a decent possibility

[lethal burrow]

We have had infinite discussions about that

[whole marsh]

She has to be full weaver because Hornet is half weaver.

[lethal burrow]

lo and behold

[stuck berry]

those aren't weavers though those are just common beasts

[lethal burrow]

I just throw my hands up and say giving birth made her transform

[stuck berry]

it's been known to happen

[inner torrent]

Good point, so we have only 3 theories

She was a different kind of pharlid
The "Evolution" affected her different for random reason
Motherhood

[stuck berry]

like with your mother

[dusk harness]

I love the Craws. I really do. They’re one of my favorite factions in Silksong. I have one complaint though: their court theming and motifs kind of come out of nowhere. When you first meet the craw they’re these territorial bird people with special weaponry and flight capabilities. You don’t really get much else. It’s only in Act 3 that we get Craw Jurors, the Court of Craws and the Craw father with heavy motifs of Justice and law. But there wasn’t the slightest hint to this anywhere before act 3. I think if Team Cherry had made the Craw’s justice theming a part of their characterization from the beginning it would have made them so much cooler and given them so much personality, but instead Act 3 Craws almost seem like a different faction altogether than what they were the previous two acts. I dunno just something I noticed.

[limpid summit]

All fair enough theories

[humble peak]

I honestly kinda dig the motherhood theory lmao

[stuck berry]

happens with insects

[lethal burrow]

I disagree almost completely

in the early parts you're given from an outsiders view.

Only once you are summoned, are you preview to their inner workings and how they conduct themselves internally

[stuck berry]

i think the craw twist is really effective i never would've guessed the bird guys were judging you sans undertale-style

[humble peak]

privy
that's the word right?

[limpid summit]

I do see what you mean I like both but the court did come out of nowhere
I would say the same that More said like we don’t get to understand their culture until shit hits the fan

[lethal burrow]

Privy

[stuck berry]

i got the craw summons and my first thought was "ah so they're not mindless"

[limpid summit]

Then they go Court of Owls/Owlman

[dusk harness]

There could have been hints I feel though. Just little bits and pieces to convey there might be more to the craw than any other aggressive group

[humble peak]

Yeah it would've been cool if there was just a little more leading into it

[stuck berry]

is it the same owl man from earth 3 who's in league with those guys or is it another owl man

[limpid summit]

Technically they have no connection DC wise

[stuck berry]

damn

[limpid summit]

Owl is just the classic bat parallel

[inner torrent]

I feel like a small hint like a lore tablet could have been enough, just to raise questions
Are these the juries they talk about? Or they just usurped the jury?

[limpid summit]

They’re from completely diff universes idk I would like a little connection

[dusk harness]

RXACTLY

[inner torrent]

Wait a minute... I think you are into something...

[humble peak]

Shouldn't your username say "Þan"?

[stuck berry]

greyroot lowkey giving vladimir harkonnen vibes at times

[dusk harness]

Granted Second Sentinel is just this mismatch assemblage of a ton of other characters. He has Lace’s parry and Pinstress’ charge attack I wouldn’t be surprised if he got his posture from someone like Greyroot somehow too

[whole marsh]

Greyroots head tentacles look like Knuckles’ dreadlocks and I can’t unsee it

[lethal burrow]

Who is taller Sharma or the knight?

[inner torrent]

The knight but only due it's horns

[dusk harness]

Take off Sherma’s hat and knight is taller

[lethal burrow]

Wait, am I? What am I onto?

[limpid summit]

Ik I sort of invited this by talking about Nuu and Unn so I can’t shut you down but like idk they’re kinda just leaning

[lethal burrow]

no

[limpid summit]

Unless…

[inner torrent]

Are the sentinels cyborgs or pure androids?

[lethal burrow]

I just posted an image

[humble peak]

More lore then there seems? So first "more lore" and after "there seems"?
I don't understand

[stuck berry]

from a size chart it's sherma by a non-insignificant margin

[lethal burrow]

This is not correct there's no way they're that big

[dusk harness]

Their hearts and bodies are metal, don’t see why they wouldn’t just be automatons like the rest of Cogwork Core’s bugs. Maybe just powered by more silkflies

[lethal burrow]

It's instructions on how to properly say it

[stuck berry]

ANdroids though it's hinted that the cogwork creations are made using bug souls so

[humble peak]

Wow Hornet dwarfs the
no that can't be right, no way Hornet's that big

[humble peak]

I don't understand
You mean it to be some kind of phonetic spelling?

[lethal burrow]

"more lore, then: there seems"

[humble peak]

Is this some kind of pun I'm not wise enough to comprehend

[dusk harness]

If Greymoor gets its rain from Putrified Ducts and Bilewater why does the rain look so clean

[humble peak]

filtered through rocks? idk

[lethal burrow]

Maggots aren't big enough to fit through small cracks

[dusk harness]

But how does the water so dirty it’s green suddenly get cleansed of all impurity when it falls down to the moors

[humble peak]

bug magic idk

[lethal burrow]

The wisp thicket purified it or something

[stark helm]

I accidentally clicked on this channel and I don't mean to talk here but as a Kirby fan, peak pfp.

[dusk harness]

Aw thanks

[stuck berry]

giant invisible filters

[humble peak]

kirbee

[stark helm]

The Hive... D:

[gray obsidian]

Sherma is.. gigantic

[stark helm]

Also, wait, I do have a question.

[lethal burrow]

Prepare yourself

[dusk harness]

No wonder Bilewater is so angry at the Citadel they have magic invisible perfect water filters and they only use them to make sure the bugs collecting their silk dregs are clean

[limpid summit]

[dusk harness]

If the people polluting my town had the ability to stop polluting my town whenever they wanted and just didn’t I’d be pretty angry too

[stark helm]

When White Lady was talking in the Red Memory, did she mean that the pale beings have a connection to Void or the Everbloom. I feel it might be the latter but the wording in her statements confused me.

[humble peak]

I think she means the whole Vessels thing has given them a connection

[inner torrent]

Ermmm... This doesn't look correct, or maybe it's just me?

[lethal burrow]

She is saying that her family as in the pale king and her have a connection to the void, not a literal or metaphysical connection, but a sort of metaphorical and history connection

[limpid summit]

Not exactly sure which piece of dialogue you refer to but I think the Hallownest royal family is connected to the Void

Yes exactly

[stark helm]

Ohhhhhh...

[gray obsidian]

Everbloom

[limpid summit]

The everbloom is the “first light” to resist the void we don’t know what that means

[inner torrent]

Damn sherma is a biggie

[lethal burrow]

Because of the whole thousand babies thing

[humble peak]

first light? when do they say that?

[stark helm]

Yeah, the whole wording was confusing for me haha.

[stuck berry]

team cherry is brave because if i wrote this game i would have at least one character call hornet a bastard

[lethal burrow]

During the red memory

[gray obsidian]

first actual method to mess up void (i think)

[lethal burrow]

First light gives Big Bang energy

[humble peak]

can you get the full quote?

[lethal burrow]

yes

[gray obsidian]

The whole universe was in a hot dense state

[inner torrent]

If zote was an important character storywise I feel like he would

[stuck berry]

hornet would not let him know anything about her let's be honest

[humble peak]

fascinating

[stark helm]

Wait, so is the Everbloom the same as Delicate Flower? They look identical but was there ever a confirmation that I might have forgotten/missed that they are the same. Hornet remembering it leads me to believe they are the same but better to be safe than sorry.

[gray obsidian]

yeah

[stuck berry]

did the version of WL in hornet's memory know she came for the flower or what

[humble peak]

Seemed to

[gray obsidian]

I think is a stronger delicate flower

Cause you can die with it

[limpid summit]

The Everbloom is likely a DF from QG

[humble peak]

She says something about it being too fragile irl for her to bring

[limpid summit]

Assumedly SS assumes TK delivered the DF

[stark helm]

...Well... the dying isn't really canon, no?

[stuck berry]

my understanding of it was that either
A. delicate flower is how it actually is and the everbloom is how it seemed in hornet's memories
or B. the delicate flower was a small piece of the everbloom

[gray obsidian]

ok fair, uh injury

[humble peak]

so ig maybe she gets to juice it up in
uea

[lethal burrow]

Steel soul mode is always the true canon

[gray obsidian]

Maybe its a delicate flower imbued with greater essence

[limpid summit]

IMO it’s stronger because of WL’s powers to augment flora and fauna (no longer delicate, retains antivoid properties) but that’s a debatable powerset

[stark helm]

It's a Delicate Flower that isn't a bitch.

[inner torrent]

I always felt like we were talking to the real white lady, and not only hornet's memories of her

[humble peak]

I think it's the first one here
The way she talks about it to the Shamans makes me feel like it's fragile irl but by taking it from her memory she can like, "forget" that part ig

[humble peak]

considering the pale beings' affinity for dreams it isn't impossible

[inner torrent]

I feel like they could have just put it inside a glass ball or something

[stuck berry]

delicate flower meets strong as fuck flower

[stark helm]

I mean. If she can sort of deny being a challenger (that's probably not the right word) in Godhome, I feel she could probably interact with memories of others... right?

[humble peak]

is she ever shown to have such abilities?

[limpid summit]

Well

[stuck berry]

well it's really only one pale being who dabbled in dreams i don't think dreams are a thing they all share

[inner torrent]

The flora and fauna?

[humble peak]

yea

[inner torrent]

Kinda

[humble peak]

WL is at least able to tell when you dream nail her

[tender thorn]

The only thing I can think of is the Queen's gardens kinda overgrowing like hell after she becomes secluded

[stark helm]

Also, somethings that always perplexed me... why are the floating pieces of land diegetic? I didn't think them part of the environment until both Hollow Knight and Silksong showed floating platforms as part of the background.

[humble peak]

I mean
there isn't exactly anyone around to trim the plants

[humble peak]

lmao wait they do?

[tender thorn]

That is true, yeah
Could be a simple answer like that

[inner torrent]

But wouldn't that apply to the green path too?

[stark helm]

Yeah, in multiple instances, floating platforms appear in the background in both games iirc.

[stuck berry]

they are artifacts of the game's setting being 3 dimensional no?

the presentation is 2d but like houses have shelves

i didn't know walter white was in chat

[stark helm]

But how do they float?

[limpid summit]

-Certain plants in QG appear similar to Greenpath plants but augmented
-Mantis Petras and Traitors appear to have developed adult Mantis and Lord characteristics respectively, with TL bulking up (Infection doesn’t do that)
-PV was “raised and trained to prime form” but it’s a corpse it likely couldn’t grow naturally
-Marmu talks about wanting to fly and WL “teaching her” you could interpret this as WL accelerating Marmu’s growth and giving her wings
-Mossflies are described as “cousins” to the Creeps but they only appear in QG and if WL rewrote their physiology on a fundamental scale that makes sense, Loodles have corpses similar to Mosscreeps too but with enlarged growths for their legs
There’s a few other pieces of evidence imo that I can share if you want, it’s never explicitly talked about but WL feels like the least explored HB and the pieces are honestly there

[inner torrent]

Probably with the magnetite mineral

[humble peak]

You'd expect the floating platforms to be just a gameplay thing and not actually a part of the "world" is the thing
But if they're in the backgrounds then they're explicitly just, a thing

[unreal nimbus]

voodoo magic

[stark helm]

If platforms can float in world, then how do boulders collapse and plummet down...?

[inner torrent]

There are some "breakable" platforms in silskong that "Rejoins" after a while, most likely due magnetite

[limpid summit]

Bottom line is that WL may have an ambient effect on local flora and fauna through her roots, one that she can and has fine tuned

[humble peak]

Well yeah there's those, those are explicit

[dusk harness]

A cool observation I saw in a YouTube comment section was that in Mount Fay the ice crystals sing similar to the crystals in the crystal peak in the original hollow knight, and I’m starting to wonder because of that. We know Rain and Thunder have higher beings in control of them (or had.) Light/dreams is also a higher being, as is silk, as is Void. Could Ice or Cold be another higher being whose presence is felt in the frozen mountain? Are they the one whose voice we hear during our test for the faydown cloak? Will we ever meet this mysterious figure or will it be one of those things left up to interpretation

[stark helm]

Yes, but does that explain the floating platforms in Hollow Knight and other areas in Silksong? /genq

[limpid summit]

It fits her making up one part of Kingsoul as this can be attributed to Soul (life) manipulation

[humble peak]

but what about the other floating platforms?
and what about in Hallownest? Magnetite isn't a thing there is it?

[stuck berry]

what i think is that they're connected to the background

[limpid summit]

The faydown cloak communion is with the fayforn right

Who knows, there could be a cold based HB idk if anything points to it specifically

[dusk harness]

Yeah they’re the one who gives us the cloak and they’re the one we play for

[stuck berry]

remember those retractable platforms in the citadel that switch to the beat, maybe they're all directly connected to the background

[stark helm]

...Even the ones in the air?

[humble peak]

There isn't always something in the background for them to connect to though

[limpid summit]

But it probably wouldn’t be a HB of cold HBs rarely control an entire swath of an element more carving out niches

[stuck berry]

uhhh fuck idk i'm calling it artistic license

[limpid summit]

Like Rad isn’t the full goddess of light

[humble peak]

there are so many gods of light it's an entire genre

[dusk harness]

I do wonder what Grand Mother Silk’s whole deal with Song is since it seems kind of random. Gives me this funny mental image of all the other higher beings laughing at her at parties because she majored in Music theory in university and now she has to involve it in her sinister plots because why else is she in crippling student debt

[humble peak]

and Rad isn't even part of that genre she's just another unrelated god of light 😭

[stark helm]

Hallownest and Pharloom mastered the art of anti gravity and wanted to experiment so they just installed it to every rock they could find and now there's a bunch of floating rocks everywhere...

[humble peak]

oh god yeah, and then there's lifeblood
...is lifeblood ever described as a light? I don't remember actually

[unreal nimbus]

i dont think so

[inner torrent]

Most "floating platforms seem to be attacked to walls, but some are actually just floating.
Most floating platforms are in caves and not in "Plain air"

[humble peak]

I mean technically everything is in caves

[limpid summit]

Don’t think so let’s check zylotol’s dialogue

[stark helm]

The true reason she controlled everyone with silk isn't an attempt to free her but an attempt for them to listen to her horrid album. The Void, Snail Shamans, and the members of the Citadel didn't like the album music so they set up a plan to capture Hornet, make a trap, and make her voice muffled so they can't hear it anymore.

[dusk harness]

It has the dreamcatchers usually affiliated with the Radiance’s ilk but there’s none of that in Silksong so I can only assume Lifeblood adapts to whatever power is available to it

[limpid summit]

It definitely seems like much more of a physical infection than Rad’s

[dusk harness]

No cost too great to avoid that abhorrent album from dropping

[limpid summit]

This blood you have collected... sparkles... I see it! A glorious form... a glorious future, shimmering back at us...
Through consumption of the blood... we shall at last attain enlightenment...

Probably not literal but this is very soul mastery

[stuck berry]

grand taylor swift

[humble peak]

fwiw lifeblood dreamcatchers only appear in like, one or two places in HK
So even with the wormways getting it pretty bad, it could just be the lack of an appropriate wight to create a little dream patch

[unreal nimbus]

the music is actually kinda good but no one likes gms

[humble peak]

hmm close but not quite there
enough to leave it as "eh maybe"

[inner torrent]

Not with radiance but with Dreams

[stuck berry]

not counting the steel assassins what sorts of grimm troupe adjacent-type groups could appear in a DLC

obviously not tgp themselves since pharloom is far from dead

[inner torrent]

Damn, losing them was kinda sad

[stuck berry]

dlc trust

[limpid summit]

MM already appeared
Him, NMH and Steel Servants are the big three of dead kingdoms

[dusk harness]

Steel Assassin Sharpe was a backer character no way they’re going to cut a backer character

[unreal nimbus]

burning bugs 2

[dusk harness]

They’ve gone on record saying all backer content would be brought to fruition eventually

[inner torrent]

My theory is that the abyss beast is trapped in dream world, not that it has power over it or that it has a dream nature

[limpid summit]

If any returning character will appear it would be Ogrim in Barnacle Bay

[stark helm]

I wonder if they do double damage.

[inner torrent]

That would be shitty

[limpid summit]

Firstly it’s poop town
Secondly it would be great to talk to him

[unreal nimbus]

HM

[limpid summit]

Genuinely good fanservice possibility

[humble peak]

wtf is barnacle bay

sounds like a spongebob episode

[inner torrent]

Shit town

[unreal nimbus]

I want barnacle bay so bad

where would it be tho?

[stark helm]

It was an area in the trailers that never got into the game if I remember correctly.

[humble peak]

oh really

[stark helm]

Probably would be added as DLC in the future.

[unreal nimbus]

Where is Barnacle Bay

[stark helm]

It would be Greymoor probably.

[unreal nimbus]

it seems shitty so my first thought was bilewater

[stark helm]

Similar color schemes. Unless, I'm misremembering.

[humble peak]

far right, between far fields and bilewater? could connect to greymoor from there

[unreal nimbus]

Yeah but Greymoor's kinda tight on space for new rooms

[humble peak]

would have to pass through Verdania ig

[stuck berry]

the only place where a body of water would reasonably be is where verdania is rn and i think that'd be too awkward

it'd put it by purified ducts

[unreal nimbus]

yeah

[stuck berry]

that place next to fleatopia serves zero purpose

[dry bridge]

Didnt people find its original map placement via debug or was that fake

[humble peak]

I saw a youtube thumbnail with it

but i think it was "pharloom bay" in there

[inner torrent]

Probably connects greymoor and bilewater

[humble peak]

i watched a few seconds of the video but then decided I didn't care

[unreal nimbus]

also is anyone else really annoyed by the citadel, putrified ducts, and bilewater maps' corners touching on the zoomed out map?

[dry bridge]

Well sinners road connects greymoor and bilewater already

[inner torrent]

Well connect it more

[stark helm]

Also. I live the difference between City of Tears and Greymoor.

"Our rain comes from the beautiful and mistique Blue Lake above the capital !!!"

"our rain comes from bilewater"

[unreal nimbus]

Ew

Bilewater

[stark helm]

Said the one with a Groal pfp.

[inner torrent]

Lol

[stark helm]

And Groal profile.

[unreal nimbus]

I hate what the Citadel has done to my once bountiful lands

[stark helm]

With Groal posters on his wall.

[unreal nimbus]

hey that parts not true

[stuck berry]

survive his gauntlet

[inner torrent]

I hate groal but gotta admit he is kinda thicc

[humble peak]

The fucken, Zylonol guy or whatever, he mentions that his mentor discovered Plasmium in salty waters at the far end of the kingdom
That's gotta be the bay right

[unreal nimbus]

Survive My Gauntlet

[stuck berry]

why did tylenol give hornet autism by giving her lifeblood

[unreal nimbus]

What

[inner torrent]

Could be , it would be interesting to see it there.
Other possible location could have been when sands of kuruk was watery.
But I doubt his master lived in that moment

[humble peak]

also note we do see clean water in the bilewater weavenest

[stuck berry]

and in shakra's mentor's grave and fleatopia

[humble peak]

well that's from the pale lake

[inner torrent]

Yep, it just need a bit of cleaning

[inner torrent]

The what

[humble peak]

the lake by fleatopia

[unreal nimbus]

maybe Barnacle Bay is between the Marrow and the Abyss /j

[stark helm]

Listens to Cut Through 24/7.

[stuck berry]

hollow knight fans when their skin turns pale from a lack of sunlight:

[humble peak]

but the weavenest is way lower down, so I think it's a separate body

[unreal nimbus]

that parts not true either D:

[inner torrent]

Lol it really is called pale lake, weird choose of words

[humble peak]

why do you think so?

[muted lantern]

pale kings bathwater

[inner torrent]

It's definetly left to sands of kuruk

[stark helm]

Also, what's the lore on The Mist btw?

[stuck berry]

gms didn't like phantom so she sent her to operate the organ which produced the mist

[inner torrent]

It seems to be a production of phantom's powers and her organ.
Apparently created to avoid books from entering citadel through the backdoor

[humble peak]

citadel industrial farts gas expel

[silk dirge]

fucking celeste cassette blocks

[stuck berry]

if i had to guess the mist was there to keep unsavoury characters like those of sinner's road and the stilkin from entering their holy citadel

[silk dirge]

thats the one thing i thought of when i saw those

[humble peak]

I think the mist was just a byproduct of the exhaust organ

[stuck berry]

personally i was thinking of the classic retractable platform video game trope but you do you pal

[dry bridge]

Phantom makes it with the steam from exhaust organ, the wraiths are basically puppets controlled by phantom to keep people out of there and maybe also to harvest silk for her

[humble peak]

hell it might be related to what made that area so nasty to begin with

[unreal nimbus]

it was that phantom of the organ

[silk dirge]

i mean yeah switching platforms like that are probably common in all sorts of platformers

[inner torrent]

You could say she is a phantom of the opera

[silk dirge]

just celeste brainrot

[humble peak]

Mournful creature tasked alone to expel the Citadel's choking refuse. Their talent with a longpin is unmatched.

[stark helm]

Are the ghostly figures that brutally make out with Hornet to attack (/j) similar to Lace and Phantom in creation?

[unreal nimbus]

that phantom ruined my bilewater...

[inner torrent]

I find curiouse how she is the only longpin user in the whole pharloom

[humble peak]

the organ exists to "process" a type of waste created by the citadel
which here just means chucking it out ig

it doesn't seem to be the primary source of polution in the whole eastern area but it was probably just like, another part of what they did

[humble peak]

the thrower guys in shellwood

[inner torrent]

Oh right

[silk dirge]

long pins are just a common type of pharloom weapon

laces pin probably qualifies as one

[stuck berry]

aren't those basic fishing spears

never gave off the vibe of pins

[humble peak]

they're longpins, you even get one as a tool in the area

[silk dirge]

when you get the tool they are called longpins

[stuck berry]

you sure this is shellwood

[silk dirge]

yes

[stuck berry]

huh

[stark helm]

Phantom's bile tract organs help move out all the gasses of the kingdom? No wonder why it's next to Bilewater.

[inner torrent]

Hehe, gasses

[humble peak]

I imagine the main source of the pollution in the east of Pharloom comes through the ducts. I mean they're literally called the ducts, probably just some sewage "processing plant"
again, "processing" being just throwing it out

[inner torrent]

Not sure, looking it more, phantom pin is indeed longer than the normal

[humble peak]

from there it seeps down into bilewater and then Sinner's Road

[stark helm]

Guys. Do you think Sprint Master is Hornet? /j

[muted lantern]

its probably for the best they nerfed thread storm

[humble peak]

they did?

[inner torrent]

Actually yes

[unreal nimbus]

sprint master is pale king guys

[inner torrent]

And buffed rune rage

[dry bridge]

I think exhaust organ specifically might deal in the exhaust of the underworks, while the ducts deals in other waste the citadel made

[stark helm]

Australia is reduced to rubble, why would they do this...?

[humble peak]

this seems reasonable

[muted lantern]

they actually nerfed it lmao

[stuck berry]

i wish more bosses in silksong had unique weapons, hollow knight had nails needles maces bigger nails

[muted lantern]

just saw someone do the numbers

[inner torrent]

Whaaaat, but they were trashy already

[unreal nimbus]

i mean the good bosses have a lot of variety

actually like all of them do

[muted lantern]

yeah, sharpdart and cross stitch got buffed

[humble peak]

why are we talking about balance changes in the lore chat actually

[stark helm]

I made a weapon called the Sprint and it can be used as a slingshot that returns and also as a launcher for you to get off surfaces. :)

[stuck berry]

i don't think it matters that much

[inner torrent]

Yeah, in silskong we have:

The super typical golden Pin
The Longpin that is just a slightly longer pin
The scissors, either dual swords or really scissors

[unreal nimbus]

because its lore

[stark helm]

Because this implies Hornet hates Thread Storm which is a crucial part of the lore.

[stuck berry]

the dreg catchers and snippers are the only ones with any sort of variety and even then it falls under the same umbrella

[humble peak]

we also have those other pins the pinstress throws at us

[unreal nimbus]

are we talking about bosses or enemies bc i could name like 10 more things that bosses use

[inner torrent]

Kraggs use the curveclaws

[humble peak]

and also the small pins you can throw like the straight pin and threefold pin (also used by craws)

whole fucking lot of pins huh

[stark helm]

Thanks to Pintrest, I learned a Needle Art.

[stuck berry]

too many pins not enough cool melee weapons

you'd think they love knitting or something :clueless

[humble peak]

well the ants have some variety don't they

[stuck berry]

eh i guess

[unreal nimbus]

and all the coral people

[humble peak]

and the fucken, uhh
there're a bunch of robots with blades

[stark helm]

Not much shit balls either. A noticeable downgrade from Hollow Knight. /j

[humble peak]

yeah the coral people

[inner torrent]

Trobbio uses bombs, some enemies do too
And there are some enemies that throw bells

[unreal nimbus]

and the BILEWATER

[humble peak]

oh yeah the bells!

[stuck berry]

lugoli should upon their ass wide an

[humble peak]

bells are another big one, hornet even comments on it in one journal entry

[inner torrent]

I like the bell armors

[stuck berry]

those are fireworks

[stark helm]

And the enemies in Deep Docks.

Use different stuffs.

They don't use bombs.

Yet.

[unreal nimbus]

flintstone?

[inner torrent]

IG? Charcoal

[stark helm]

There's a lot of different Silksong weapons.

[inner torrent]

The flitnt spears are cool ASF tho

[humble peak]

the big greymoor guys use some sort of trident thing

a rake kinda?

[stuck berry]

too many pins is what i dislike

[stark helm]

Can't wait for Crayons for the next game.

[inner torrent]

And last judge bell mace is peak