sk-lore

[ember river]

Then what's your base for saying she's weak?

[dusky bay]

Bec you need it for the hunter journal achievement

[sinful nimbus]

She got trapped by her creations 🥀

[regal crow]

Yup

[ember river]

Who got her by surprise

A strong dude can still get poisoned or betrayed by a weakling

[dusky bay]

It can be killed breh

[sinful nimbus]

You'd expect a higher being to be more aware of their surroundings

[frosty gate]

Probably a similar situation as Quirrel?
That or Hornet hit that guy really hard

[vestal swan]

You assume too much of higher beings

[ember river]

Trust is a powerful factor

Also, while more aware than most bugs, they aren't omniscient

[sinful nimbus]

"She's not weak she's just stupid" 🥀

[vestal swan]

Simply being in the real god category does not make them omniscient or omnipotent in any regard

She's clearly not weak if she can control the whole country while half asleep

What even is this argument

[ember river]

Then I guess the knight is a sadistic asshole if you think all higher beings are omniscient

[regal crow]

Give her a break. Gms be sleepy

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah cuh just didn't notice the magic silk trap even though she's capable of magically sensing the location of silk derivative of her

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[ember river]

We don't fucking know what the trap even is

[royal elbow]

GMS just didn't anticipate the Weavers would betray her.
I mean why would she? In her eyes she was their benevolent god and they were her thankful children.

[frosty gate]

She was asleep

[ember river]

They mean the trap that put her to sleep

Which is never seen or described ingame

[frosty gate]

The trap was the Citadel, they made a music box

[vestal swan]

Countrywide jam track imo, involving the entire population banging bells to the tune

[foggy fractal]

🔥

[sinful nimbus]

It probably works like the Snare Setter

The magic medium weaver's use is silk

[frosty gate]

For the sleeping????

[dusky bay]

And his shield or smth had his name on it that he just said "that's my name ig"

[sinful nimbus]

Snare Setter is also found in Atla where they were conspiring against GMS

[vestal swan]

Is that tool any good by itself by the way, I didn't find it until I needed it for the story

[sinful nimbus]

No

[vestal swan]

It's also got a really weird way of just writing runes on the ground

Dang

[foggy fractal]

💔 another bad red tool

[dusky bay]

Tacks but ass

[sinful nimbus]

It takes like 3 seconds to place down and there's a limit to how many you can place down at a time

[royal elbow]

I think the damage is ok, just too much settup.

[frosty gate]

Lot's of damage if you manage to get an enemy on it, overall terrible

[ember river]

The snare setter is posterior

[dusky bay]

Nothing can compete to the goat tacks 😭

[ember river]

It's described by eva as something they devised after she was trapped, and which also failed

[dusky bay]

I wonder are tacks good for lost lace...

[ember river]

Yes

Tacks are good for anything

[foggy fractal]

I wonder if tacks are good for gms 🤔

[sinful nimbus]

No its not

[dusky bay]

Even flying duds

[sinful nimbus]

"There, my mothers built their tools, all traps and bindings. Small things, but tests for larger forms."

[ember river]

Hornet: Eva, I am seeking a tool, told to be somewhere in this structure. It is a snare device of Weaver make. Do you know of it?
I may, lady. Search over from here, on side where the moss meets the nest. There, my mothers built their tools, all traps and bindings. Small things, but tests for larger forms.
I still remember their thoughts as they worked, their desperation, and their hunger. Another hopeless attempt to wrest their freedom. All ended in failure, of course.

[foggy fractal]

the humble weavers conspiring against GMS:

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah so...

How does that prove what you said

[ember river]

That's about the snare setter, it was a failure

[sinful nimbus]

It was a test

[dusky bay]

Why do the weavers look so much better than in hollow knight....did the devolve in hollow knight or smth smh....

[sinful nimbus]

Doesn't at all prove it was after GMS was sealed

[steep talon]

huh, didnt notice they have different spike placements or uhh had I guess

[fast surge]

Nyleth..?

[sinful nimbus]

In fact it indicates the opposite

[dusky bay]

THROW IT ON HER FACE TRUST

[ember river]

Even if it was before, it still says all of them ended in failure, no good designs came from there

[dusky bay]

Anyways can be used at the start

[sinful nimbus]

Its a prototype yes

GMS also broke out

[ember river]

It's one of many, all of which ended in failure

[sinful nimbus]

Which is her only mildly impressive feat

[frosty gate]

Do we even know they used a trap for the cocoon?

[steep talon]

what are we arguing about?

[sinful nimbus]

All of which are probably silk based

[ember river]

Apart from, you know, creating one of the strongest non-god races?

[sinful nimbus]

Weavers aren't allat they were created from a weak god

[ember river]

This guy's claiming GMS is weak

[steep talon]

doesnt she always rage bait?

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ pull out the cradle cages dialogues !

[ember river]

I don't know, I don't interact here enough

Did they have another name?

Oh wait it's that asshole starpengu

[frosty gate]

Not everyone can ragebait, some people are bound to have a dumb take

[ember river]

Yeah right

[steep talon]

stargazer I think? Might be wrong though

[sinful nimbus]

What'd I do vro 🥀

[frosty gate]

Star? No, it's Uni

[sinful nimbus]

Also blatant ad hominems are blatant ad hominems

This just furthers my GMS hate agenda

[steep talon]

it takes skill to rage bait. I need to not play silksong for 1000 more years to perfect the rage bait

[foggy fractal]

Bad Mother Silk 😔

[sinful nimbus]

You get it god bless

I've turned over a new uni themed leaf

[covert night]

mild mother silk

[sinful nimbus]

She's literally the potential man meme

[foggy fractal]

Give your daughters a good life ?
Nah, just make them obedient or kill them !

[hidden crater]

somehow by some miracle sherma survives through this

[sinful nimbus]

I didn't realize how tough this ending looked

[steep talon]

true!

[sinful nimbus]

This should be act 3

[foggy fractal]

we should start powerscaling Weaver Queen Hornet instead

[gentle aspen]

she’s like
above sleepy gms I guess

[edgy barn]

I don't remember this scene

[foggy fractal]

awake gms levels 🥶

[sinful nimbus]

If anything binding GMS would downscale her power

[edgy barn]

Strongest HB apart from Lord of Shades.

[foggy fractal]

from weaver queen ending 😔

[hidden crater]

if we ever get an official design and a somewhat small feat. (original poster is doorlain EV on facebook)

[sinful nimbus]

Strongest alive higher being maybe

[steep talon]

what the hell am i looking at?

[edgy barn]

Oh the cacoon, right.

[foggy fractal]

even vgform still soloes every other higher being trust...

[gentle aspen]

Why are they both blushing.

[hidden crater]

the tallest becomes the shortest

[hidden crater]

-# i honestly have no idea

[gentle aspen]

disgusting.

[steep talon]

why is the shade lord just Aku from samurai jack

[hidden crater]

why is he built like a long cat

Siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings siblings (i lost count)

[jovial talon]

Wonder if the sibling shades are the only non irrational void creatures

They're the only ones to have soul

[steep talon]

oh yeah, wanted to ask. What's up with Widow memory dialogue, where she says " for her light eternal, our song sustains". Her light is GMS, but why would Widow want to keep her asleep?

[sinful nimbus]

The way they're looking at different directions instead of directly at Hornet is cracking me up

Tk really is an aura farmer

[potent patio]

Is the white lady and greyroot related potentially?

[jovial talon]

I think the glowing white eyes signify that the shades incorporated some soul

[sinful nimbus]

I think they're the same type of entity but not species

[gentle aspen]

meh

[sinful nimbus]

holy peak you can see lsot kins shade

[lone folio]

They are like one of those fish swarms

[gentle aspen]

Prove it

[vestal swan]

Roots

[potent patio]

Their eyes are the same but maybe that’s a plant thing

[edgy barn]

Where?

[potent patio]

Their atire is the same somewhat

[foggy fractal]

its right there !

[frosty gate]

The Weaver used to sing to GMS before they put her to sleep

[gentle aspen]

You just made the quality take a nosedive

That’s all you did

[sinful nimbus]

Kinda like act 3

[potent patio]

I mean technically so is the white lady as she’s the reason why unn is so weak

[gentle aspen]

that’s, not true?

We don’t know why Unn weakened or when she did

that’s just an assumption

[steep talon]

hmm, I guess. Not sure why then they used song to lull her to sleep

[sinful nimbus]

That's also... not parasitism?

[frosty gate]

Why not?

[vestal swan]

There's 3 regions of Unn losing ground and a crazy god hijacking her brainwave radio to her creations, you cannot specifically attribute it to White Lady

4 sources of headaches for Unn

[frosty gate]

We assume it's because the Pale Beings basically took her followers and pushed her into Hiding. The it was Rad so it became worse

[gentle aspen]

???

They didn’t do that

what?

[edgy barn]

PK and WL took land, not followers.

[vestal swan]

I literally just said what happened come on

[steep talon]

I guess I assumed that widow is saying that song is benefiting GMS somehow. But maybe she's saying because GMS is eternal, therefore their song must sustain. And song is a metaphor for their devotion

[potent patio]

Well we DO know that QG was originally the land of unn since thats the only way for vegetation like that to grow underground so we know she did steal unns territory

[gentle aspen]

Neither PK nor WL took their followers or forced her into hiding
And as far as we know PK didn’t even take land, Monomon seems to be the reason Fog Canyon is the way it is and WL took Gardens. PK just asked for a road through greenpath to his capital

[steep talon]

still not sure what to think of that line though

[gentle aspen]

No, we know it was originally Unn’s land because it’s directly stated

There are several examples of vegetation not tied to Unn ingame

[vestal swan]

Pharloom moss isn't attributed to her either

[sinful nimbus]

Woah I just got a brain blast

[vestal swan]

She is just the god of hollow Knight's Green Life, not all plants are hers

[potent patio]

Like what?

[sinful nimbus]

So regular guys can also be pale beings yeah? Pale Stag and all
And Nyleth says there is no [plant]life in the world without her kind

What's the only unexplained plantlife in HK? Pale Ferns
I think a Pale Isma type inhabited Hallownest long ago

Any questions

[vestal swan]

Any type of plant that isn't Green in the region and everything in pharloom

[potent patio]

Genuine question btw I don’t want to sound rude

[sinful nimbus]

Crossroads grass

[gentle aspen]

the entirety of isma’s grove (imo)
pale ferns exist ingame
there’s arguably fungal wastes and a greenhouse in that area as well

[sinful nimbus]

There is some in Ancient Basin too

Fungi aren't plants bro 🥀

[vestal swan]

I don't even know where to start that doesn't make any sense

[frosty gate]

Didn't the Mosskin start to follow the Pale ones as they took their land?

[gentle aspen]

No

[potent patio]

Well isn’t most of the lush vegetation in pharloom made by nyleth?

[gentle aspen]

they still worshiped Unn

[sinful nimbus]

Thanks for your contribution ig?

why else would it be called pale

[vestal swan]

One part of it but not the Moss area or Verdania

[gentle aspen]

they went “hee hoo pale being bootganged our land she seems benevolent but she don’t fw us”

[frosty gate]

I also think that the Weavers just sang to her to help her sleep, maybe that's why she didn't see the betrayal coming

[frosty gate]

Well I'll be damned

[potent patio]

Ah verdania I forgot about that place

I think it was probably made by a higher beings or somebody’s dying breath? (After the update)

[steep talon]

hmm, "help her sleep"? Though I could see how she fell for the song that they used to lull her to sleep, if playing a song was a ritual that was ordered by GMS. Just not sure if that ritual was specifically to "help her sleep". It's 4 am grandma!

[vestal swan]

The pale stag might have been tied to or related to their plant life in Verdania but we can't be certain

[potent patio]

So poofy!

[steep talon]

love these freaks, their antennae kinda look like... MOTHS!?!?

[potent patio]

Oh are gifs not allowed?

[steep talon]

uh I think discord crashed or something

[vestal swan]

Nah

[steep talon]

oh okay, weird. Rebooted for me for some reason

[frosty gate]

Well, then not the PB but Rad, right?

[frosty gate]

We're not even certain it existed in the first place

[midnight reef]

Verdania litterally having its own "gods"
Least bugs important to its contiuned existance

[jovial talon]

Why so

[sinful nimbus]

The palestag is noted to be able to control plantlife and stuff

[midnight reef]

I need to actually check though, it might be beta branch it might be in the full branch now, but you see clovers from Verdania sprouting once again around the body of the Green Prince after getting the conjoined heart

[sinful nimbus]

Although its uncertain if it even actually existed in the form we fight it as

[frosty gate]

Doesn't that mean that they think the "Light" is Unn?

[sinful nimbus]

"Myth made real in memory. The creature seemed completely at one with the flora around it. Did it ever truly exist as I have seen it? "

[steep talon]

really fucked up that Unn just birthed this things from dream realm, like how the fuck

[midnight reef]

it must be beta branch, I guess something between implementation and release screwed up a tag

[steep talon]

yep, it is in beta

[midnight reef]

I still find it really fun that Verdania is refered to as the Aspids in the files

same with Kingdoms Edge being Deepnest East

[frosty gate]

I wouldn't even be surprised

[midnight reef]

I mean, maybe a similar way to how Hornet grabbed an everbloom from her memory?

I still think its a bit deus-ex machina, but it doesnt exactly break pre-established lore I guess

[edgy barn]

Actually Unn creating Greenpath is the pre-established lore here.

[steep talon]

like a whole ass living organism, that prolly can reproduce or live for a very long time. Everbloom is a fucking flower by comparison

[midnight reef]

no no the everbloom situation

Unn drawing forth the Greenery in the Greenpath from a dream is pre-established lore

[hidden crater]

They should make everbloom work like delicate flower for april fools

[steep talon]

haha true!

[dense aspen]

Ok what's the lore on styx

Or is he just that

[steep talon]

more like Fryx

cause uhh FREAKY

[hidden crater]

He makes morsels

[dense aspen]

That's it?

[frosty gate]

He's just a dude, a weird freaky dude with no head

[dense aspen]

Fuck does that mean

[dense aspen]

No head?

[steep talon]

seems to take other peoples mask for some reason. I guess mask maker was on vacation when that dude was born

[frosty gate]

I wonder if his personality changes depending on what he wears

[edgy barn]

And it still took power equal to that of GMS to take the everbloom from Hornet's memory. Do we assume it was because the spell itself was inneficient.

[frosty gate]

I guess you haven't seen his nest

[hidden crater]

I still cant get this one comment about styx outta my head

"Styx is a mimic like creature of sorts that wears the masks of other bugs to disguise himself

Kinda like Nosk but more of a bitch"

[steep talon]

I think I told you that I think it's because it's really really long ago. Like centuries potentially

[midnight reef]

Silksong very clearly shows that Masks are immensely important for a bugs personality, and not just cerimonial as Hollow Knight seemed to suggest

[dense aspen]

I still don't really get who he is

[midnight reef]

Thats the pont- Styx doesnt know who he is either

[gentle aspen]

Not particularly? It feels a bit random but it is just pulling something out of the memory into the real world which is something done in the first game

[midnight reef]

Yeah

[gentle aspen]

a deus ex machina is the Knight showing up in the last few seconds of the fucking ending

[dense aspen]

Ah ok I get it now, he's just some confused guy. I understand

[steep talon]

oh here we go

[dense aspen]

I agree, but it was kinda hype

So all is forgiven

[midnight reef]

I dont care if its fan service, it was cool to see the Knight saving Hornet

[gentle aspen]

and it does at least have the consequence of killing the shamans and requiring the deaths of three important individuals

[frosty gate]

A total of 6 deaths

[midnight reef]

Hornet helped the Knight in their quest, and the Knight repaid her

The Knight wouldnt fight Hornet

[dense aspen]

Wait one more question about styx, do you think he has any evil intentions?

[dense aspen]

He clearly did

Twice

[midnight reef]

After Hornet attacked first, and when proving themselves worthy of the kingsbrand

[edgy barn]

The Knight wouldn't fight Hornet again

[sinful nimbus]

TC when they realize their sweet character focused ending apparently desperately needs an action scene

[steep talon]

shmaybee. If his mask comes off. But I do wonder if his current weirdness is influenced by his current mask and how much, cause he doesnt seem that much different without it

[midnight reef]

Embrace the Void doesnt mean the Knight is lost

[dense aspen]

Is that your favrioute ending?

[midnight reef]

I think the game doesnt make it entirely clear, but the Shade Lord is the Knight, and isnt at the same time?

[dense aspen]

Ah ok I get it now, he's just some guy who's a little pussy who can't decide who he is

[gentle aspen]

It’s just the Knight

[dense aspen]

He's nothing special then?

[gentle aspen]

like

[steep talon]

it's weird that he has a huntress mask. And not just 1 but 2

[gentle aspen]

the ending is very similar to dnm except it’s pretty divorced from the main storyline and it for some reason puts everything in a suspenseful light

[steep talon]

other than that, yeah not really anything crazy

[gentle aspen]

like wow thk walks out time for a dramatic music sting

tk is leaving the dream realm again time for a dramatic music sting

[steep talon]

just turn off the audio, easy

[midnight reef]

All the vessels unified under the will of the knight is the shade lord, espec based on silksong true ending showing the shade lord as a flash with all the vessels/the knight disappearing

[dense aspen]

I get why it is

[midnight reef]

But in the end, Dream No More is still my choice for Hollow Knights true ending

[gentle aspen]

The void being unified under the knight’s will happens regardless of the ending

the only thing that differs is the form it takes

[midnight reef]

I guess

[edgy barn]

Getting follow up on these is why I kind of want EtV to be the canon ending, even if I prefer DnM as the ending of the original storyl

[dense aspen]

You know damn well after thk left that temple he strangled their sister honestly

[midnight reef]

The Knight Shade likely returned to the void with all the other vessels

Hornet just woke up to late lol

[steep talon]

what?

[vestal swan]

It's explained as a myth by hornet because she never experienced it and it's in a memory but we don't have a reason to doubt it actually existed

[gentle aspen]

the thing is there’s nothing to follow up on
the knight leaving would go back to the abyss and then pop in and have fun with godseeker because “GoDsEeKeR MoDe CaNoNiCaLlY hApPeNs AfTeR PaNtHeOn FiVe”

[gentle aspen]

why would it do that

[vestal swan]

Bc weird plant ties and magic deer

[gentle aspen]

Fuck

[dense aspen]

Thk killed hornet after etv meaning it can't be cannon

[gentle aspen]

Choked on nothing

[gentle aspen]

why are you just making stuff up

[edgy barn]

That did not happen.

[steep talon]

bruh

[jovial talon]

Sorry I misinterpreted what you said I was thinking of the last stag from hollow knight stagways

[vestal swan]

Ah lol

[gentle aspen]

THK isn’t killing Hornet after embrace the void

[midnight reef]

How could it do that? The only reason THK can keep up with the Knight after ages spent in the black egg is the Radiance, remove the Radiance and I dont think the Hollow Knight could reasonably put up any fight with Hornet

[jovial talon]

I was wondering how the hell verdania has to do with the stags

[dense aspen]

Yes it did tc said it happend to me in our annual dream meeting

[steep talon]

ok

[gentle aspen]

It couldn’t, because Rad was the thing empowering it, White Lady itself says the vessel is weak but it is empowered by the force within. The chains are still on its body, it uses its nail as a crutch and even embeds it into the floor

[jovial talon]

I think the journal entry implies that the pale stag was never even real but shows up in the memory because it's a popular legend the people in verdania believed in, and you gotta remember the whole place was just a memory

[gentle aspen]

plus it like, wouldn’t just murder people?

It has no actual reason to kill Hornet

blud probably collapsed after aura farming

[midnight reef]

The Hollow Knight is intelligent, it wouldnt just kill the first bug it sees after it knows its duty is done

[dense aspen]

Pale stag?

[steep talon]

Hornet didnt share some nectar when they were kids, therefore they are completely justified in killing her

[jovial talon]

Lost verdania

[steep talon]

which is not how realy monarchy works folks, real life monarhy is much more boring

[midnight reef]

The Hollow Knight and Hornet probably never met until DNM

[steep talon]

probably

[midnight reef]

By the time Hornet was leaving Deepnest or the Hive Herrah had to have been a dreamer

[dense aspen]

Yk I just realised he looks eerily similar to the cogwork dancera

[wet shadow]

Bro doesn't know

[dense aspen]

Oh i heard he was gay
Is he the harder version of the dancers?

[wet shadow]

Sorta

[jovial talon]

||His lovers soul was split into 2 and put into the cogwork dancers||

[gentle aspen]

That is the intention

[dense aspen]

How'd manage thay

[frosty gate]

And it stayed as an intention

[wet shadow]

Magic

[steep talon]

||(it didnt work)||

[gentle aspen]

I mean it is definitely a harder fight

just not much harder

[midnight reef]

a quick question, whats the order that Hornet was raised?
I know originally in the daughter of 3 queens it was Herah, White Lady, then Vespa, but Im wondering if we should take Herah, Vespa, and then White Lady as the more "official" answer

[dense aspen]

Do you guys think there are regular looking kingdoms

[jovial talon]

All the robots are soul powered, ever notice the small silkflies that fly out of enemies in the cogwork core? There's a device in the whiteward they used to convert the soul of elderly and dying bugs into silkflies. They work forever

[compact vortex]

no

[gentle aspen]

Why assume there was an order

[midnight reef]

Because her getting tossed around seems a bit silly to me

[steep talon]

what?

[gentle aspen]

it’s just herrah first since she birthed her and spent the least amount of time with her

[gentle aspen]

she was trained by vespa doesn’t mean she raised her

[frosty gate]

I feel like the whole thing was that all of them raised them in different aspects of their lives

[dense aspen]

The machine spirit powers the fucking ROBOTS?

[midnight reef]

yes, im just wondering about the order

[jovial talon]

Hey remember the fourth chorus? Yeah there were a lot of people inside that thing as little flies

[midnight reef]

Not about how much each queen raised Hornet XD

[dense aspen]

By the fucking omnisaiha

[prisma quail]

What happened to the snail shamans?

[dense aspen]

Is that heretical?

[dense aspen]

Dead

[jovial talon]

Also you know the literal lightbulbs with little glowing flies everywhere in the game?

[prisma quail]

Why

[frosty gate]

Dead

[jovial talon]

The little immortal flies in there

[midnight reef]

Consumed by the spell they used to get hornet into Red Memory

[dense aspen]

No wait those are necrons

They just turn people into fuckkng necrons

Pharloom has necrons

[frosty gate]

No they don't

[jovial talon]

Yeah these aren't the same as the ones in hallownest, there they used lumaflies and those are blue

[frosty gate]

Necrons would be malicious

[jovial talon]

Idk what necrons are

[dense aspen]

What do you call people in robotic metal body's that forever immortal

[prisma quail]

Damn

[dense aspen]

Does pharloom have anything powered by the machine spirit

[frosty gate]

Aren't Dreadnaught also inmortal people in a robotic body?

[dense aspen]

No they quite

Often die alot infact the newest model has them die

In a few decades

[midnight reef]

Eh, no not really
their machinery is either powered by soul contained within Silkflies, or by silk directly

[frosty gate]

Oh, good for them

[frosty gate]

Silk has soul, technically spirit

[dense aspen]

Yes but is it the machine spirit?

That's the question

[midnight reef]

a machine spirit as I understand in 40K =/= the concept of soul from Hollow Knight lol

[dense aspen]

The machine spirit dosent really exist

[frosty gate]

True

[dense aspen]

Do they anything not powered by literal soul

[cunning wigeon]

Honestly deserved

[frosty gate]

Silk is soul made thread

[midnight reef]

the machinery in the underworks is powered by this one bug running on a treadmill

[frosty gate]

May your weapons fail miserably, blasphemer

[dense aspen]

The omnisaiha is pleased

[midnight reef]

....probably multiple but we only see the one, but HK fans and realizing that there is infact a Z axis do not mix

[solar tapir]

Hey guys

Have you ever wondered what would have happened if Pharloom's expedition for Hornet had arrived in Hallownest at its prime? Would it be a war? Or just a regular skirmish on the borders?

[dense aspen]

They have dollar store necrons so it's definitely going to be a war

[midnight reef]

Hallownest in its prime didnt have Hornet

Hornet is a result of its fall

[solar tapir]

Oh

yea... forgot about it

but anyway

[dense aspen]

Hallownest would win by the way

[frosty gate]

If they came for the Weavers it would likely be war

Pk might not be their ruler but he's not gonna let just anyone take people by force

[midnight reef]

The Weavers were a distinctly seperate entity from Hallownest

Deepnest as a whole, was

[frosty gate]

But it was very much hidden behind 5 layers of Hallownest

And the Mantis Tribe

[dense aspen]

There's like 3 ways to gain access and all of them suck ass

How did the weavers live this

[arctic vapor]

how were past pilgrims able to make it past the grand gate seeing as hornet had to ring the lost bells to help the other pilgrims out? the lost bells havent been rung in ages

[solar tapir]

I think that way too

[frosty gate]

They're spiders, they live in the Cradle

[solar tapir]

Wonder if PK actually knew about gms in general

[frosty gate]

They probably chose that place specifically because it was such a pain to get there

[frosty gate]

Probably, but I don't think he would've cared

HBs probably know about each other's existence

[dense aspen]

He wouldn't have gave a shit he would have been all nonchalant like nothing because he's fucking dead now

[frosty gate]

And one is literally right outside the Palace Grounds

[dense aspen]

Still a mystery how any vessel got out

[frosty gate]

It's not even a good discussion because not even TC knows how

[dense aspen]

Lol

Lmao even

[gentle aspen]

they didn’t tell us how because they don’t like confirming or denying things

it’s pretty obvious from the game there are unseen tunnels, most likely through deepnest

[sinful nimbus]

Proof

It could've just as likely been an Ancient Civilization teleporter

[gentle aspen]

stop being obnoxious

[frosty gate]

I mean sure, but I just like their coment saying that they're not sure

[sinful nimbus]

huh

I'm just throwing out the idea of an Ancient Civilization teleporter

[frosty gate]

Oh dear

[silk dirge]

the legendary 3d objects in 2d game

[dense aspen]

Where the fuck was the knight while hornet was getting kidnapped? Playing poker?

[silk dirge]

in the fucking void

[dense aspen]

He can clearly leave the void

[sinful nimbus]

The Knight doesn't do anything in the game before the very end don't question it

[dense aspen]

Desu ex machima

[silk dirge]

nah

its literally in the void unified with it

[dense aspen]

Speaking of i should play deus ex

[silk dirge]

but it cant leave it

[cunning wigeon]

Maybe he needed some time to adjust after becoming god

[sinful nimbus]

[sinful nimbus]

Why couldn't it

[dense aspen]

That's actually really reasonable

[silk dirge]

i would imagine it couldnt sense how hornet was doing until sister of the void

[dense aspen]

And a perfectly good explanation

[sinful nimbus]

Its not even a Deus Ex Machina because nothing in the story demanded that the Everbloom break

They literally just wanted to put that in the ending

[gentle aspen]

?

[silk dirge]

i mean like how would that look like

it just rising up as a shade out of the abyss?

[gentle aspen]

the knight clearly can be separate from the main void mass?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah?

[dense aspen]

hornetbis faced with a literal unsolvable problem
problem literally gets solved

[gentle aspen]

idk why you think it can’t leave the main mass

[dense aspen]

Literally as in it's proper non slang definition

[silk dirge]

anyways it probably couldnt sense how hornet was doing until she actually touched the void

thats probably the explanation

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but my point is that they made a problem so they could put LoS in the game not that they wrote themselves into a corner

[gentle aspen]

I mean she spends act 3 surrounded by void threads and dealing with void affected enemies

[dense aspen]

I like the act 3 ending donr get me wrong

[sinful nimbus]

I'm not trying to be argumentative btw I'm just hating

[gentle aspen]

she also quite literally goes into the abyss

[dense aspen]

But it was a deus ex

[silk dirge]

i think the everbloom does make sense tho there is a tattered petal in etv

its very subtle

[dense aspen]

It be stupid not to admit that

[silk dirge]

but the delicate flower does have a frayed petal in etv

[cunning wigeon]

Maybe it took awhile for the knight to actually travel to pharloom?

[silk dirge]

so its not like this is new to silksong

[gentle aspen]

certainly but you’d think a seemingly similar mass of void would cause it to wear off as well in the first game

[silk dirge]

it seems like a sort of instant exposure vs long exposure

[sinful nimbus]

Well Silksong implies it to last longer than the White Lady and the Pale King would in the void lake despite the fact that Silksong shows us a very comparable pale being surviving more time in the Void than the Everbloom does

[frosty gate]

I was about to say

[silk dirge]

i mean gms is a special case

bc she can spin a cocoon

[vestal swan]

A literal drop vs jumping in a lake, the reaction is not consistent

[barren beacon]

So who wrote the lore tablet that gives us the locations for Mr Mushroom

[gentle aspen]

PK’s also a special case because he’s a giant source of light

[barren beacon]

Does he have followers or sum?

[gentle aspen]

mister mushroom probably

[sinful nimbus]

And he can use soul

[barren beacon]

So he wrote it on third person or something?

[dense aspen]

A literal one aswell

[sinful nimbus]

Regardless if the Everbloom didn't break... nothing would be out of place?

[silk dirge]

pk has aura but not that much actual light aura imo

[gentle aspen]

wrong

[cunning wigeon]

That’s a very Mr mushroom thing to do

[dense aspen]

He does

[sinful nimbus]

Like the only narrative reason for the Everbloom to break is so that TK can show up

[dense aspen]

He has a literal aura around him

[sinful nimbus]

If the Everbloom didn't do that no one would bat an eye

[dense aspen]

Honestly I kinda agree

[random harbor]

Stag - Traveling - In the City of Tears, King's Station

Little one, we stand in the King's Station! Named of course for the King of Hallownest, he who ordered the building of the stagways and stations.
The King never rode the stagways himself, but I've heard he was a glorious bug to behold, bright and radiant in visage, so much so it hurt to look at him.

@kingoclowns used /npcs merchants name: Stag category: Traveling dialogue: In the City of Tears, King's Station

[silk dirge]

yeah but i have more aura than the pale king and i dont have light aura surrounding me

-this post is not fact checked by hallownest patriots

[sinful nimbus]

I fact checked it actually

WRONG

[gentle aspen]

you’re no patriot

[vestal swan]

He was literally too bright to look at

[gentle aspen]

pause

[dense aspen]

Hey I'm the biggest hallownest patriot and youre wrong

[vestal swan]

I don't know why my phone chose to change bright for hard

[limpid summit]

Searched up Pale King to find the source and the first article is Villains Wiki god

[barren beacon]

Mr Mushroom directly talkes to the Fayforn right?

[limpid summit]

Now I’m in a bad mood

[sinful nimbus]

Villains wiki lists Grimm as a villain 💔

[gentle aspen]

yeah

[spark valve]

this is because nobody who plays hollow knight can read

[gentle aspen]

elderbug fr wrote that wiki

[limpid summit]

Villains Wiki writers seeing Brumm wonder if Grimm is a slave

[gentle aspen]

bruno?

We don’t talk about him gng

[sinful nimbus]

Next thing you know they'll add Broodmother

[cunning wigeon]

Wellll… he isn’t a GOOD guy

[sinful nimbus]

Why not

[gentle aspen]

He’s also not a bad guy

[limpid summit]

He’s not a bad guy

[sinful nimbus]

Grimm is very cordial and even helpful to The Knight

[limpid summit]

He’s truly neutral

[vestal swan]

Brumm is an idiot

[gentle aspen]

lawful neutral, even

[sinful nimbus]

Good neutral

[silk dirge]

the real hk villain is this person
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1408103489485279262/1427394653216575579/image.png?ex=68eeb45d&is=68ed62dd&hm=d2585ee2a1c1b4df6c86a6bf5545912b4a0de4852cbb0dd001bea690c6c7c795&

[gentle aspen]

He just has different views on the

[sinful nimbus]

That's not a thing on the chart ignore that 💔

[gentle aspen]

yo I saw someone say mt fay was a celeste reference

[dense aspen]

And grimm is kinda a bum

[cunning wigeon]

He isn’t bad, but worshipping something called the nightmare heart practically disqualifies good guy status

[gentle aspen]

???

[silk dirge]

ok that one is more obvious

[sinful nimbus]

Nightmare Heart isn't bad either though

[gentle aspen]

he doesn’t worship it he’s its avatar

[gentle aspen]

But it isn’t?

It’s just a mountain

[cunning wigeon]

Oh right

[silk dirge]

this one is literally just celeste pattern recognition brainrot

[sinful nimbus]

its a mountain with a BIRD on it its obviously celeste

[solar tapir]

I think the knight can appear in the void everywhere he wants almost instantly

[silk dirge]

except theres also an irl mountain in canada called mt fay

[vestal swan]

It's basically a scavenger and the one guy that thinks everybody is a slave to it gets freedom when he thinks he's breaking up the ritual because the heart actually isn't an asshole and just gets rid of him

[sinful nimbus]

The difference is Celeste is a queer masterpiece and Silksong isn't

[gentle aspen]

Canada isn’t a fucking celeste reference gang

[silk dirge]

yeah but thats how celeste got named lol

[gentle aspen]

I might be losing it

[cunning wigeon]

It’s called the terror of sleep by the seer

[silk dirge]

after an irl mountain in canada

[frosty gate]

I thought it was a Scott Pilgrim reference

[limpid summit]

Imagine if Nymm genuinely joined the Troupe of his own free will only to forget that he did so

[gentle aspen]

LMAOO

[limpid summit]

Alright bro

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah its schtick is nightmares and fear that doesn't mean its malicious

[limpid summit]

My homie got pregnant from d riding and now he finally having the baby 💔

[gentle aspen]

imagine if he didn’t forget either

[vestal swan]

He did he's an idiot

[gentle aspen]

He just instigated for the love of the game

[limpid summit]

What a pissant

[sinful nimbus]

Brumm is the only dialogue I can think of in Hollow Knight that's like actually bad

[gentle aspen]

he woke up one day and decided to start hating

[sinful nimbus]

Kinda luxurious in comparison to Silksong

[limpid summit]

Nymm valid though

[gentle aspen]

“Yours is a resilience borne of two voids”

[sinful nimbus]

This is tuff

[limpid summit]

I don’t really like Leg Eater’s dialogue

[vestal swan]

The troupe very much seems like a circus that picks up runaways not like it's abducting people, and again he does an attempt to break the ritual and end of the cycle and they just set him free instead, doesn't seem very malicious

[limpid summit]

Or WL’s

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet's dialogue in HK goes hard don't hate

[limpid summit]

Everything else is good to great

[sinful nimbus]

White lady is a masterpiece in characterization

[gentle aspen]

And he might be the cause of their demise if they don’t go wild

[silk dirge]

"i know what you are"

[gentle aspen]

that’s peak

internalized homophobia from hornet

[silk dirge]

hornets always been homophobic

[vestal swan]

Twilight ass line

[cunning wigeon]

Fair. I guess it’s neutral

[limpid summit]

“True only like you was awaited” actually WL’s dialogue is super funny in retrospect when you watch Red Memory and realize she doesn’t like us at all

[gentle aspen]

just like the internalized PK hatred and the internal fly hatred

[gentle aspen]

?

[limpid summit]

Look how she talks to Hornet all remorseful

[gentle aspen]

that shit happens way after red memory

[limpid summit]

She’s so mechanical to us

[limpid summit]

No it doesn’t

She talks to WL in real time

[gentle aspen]

Almost like she thinks vessels are fucking emotionless beings

[silk dirge]

its really weird bc part of it is in the past

[limpid summit]

True

[gentle aspen]

part of it occurs in the past moron

[silk dirge]

the part where she says that is in the past

[sinful nimbus]

Lore regular reportedly FORGOT hornet isn't a vessel

[limpid summit]

But when Hornet stands up that’s the present she says like 3 things in the past

[gentle aspen]

when Hornet gets her current drip it becomes the lresent

[limpid summit]

Half the convo is present

[sinful nimbus]

The Red Memory dialogue isn't real

Its facing your past BS I wonder where they got that idea from

[gentle aspen]

You’re not real

[limpid summit]

Act 3 is a HK speedrun

[gentle aspen]

Get out my head, Athena.

[sinful nimbus]

Birthplace mogs Red Memory hard

[limpid summit]

Still cinema

[frosty gate]

Epic greek music plays in the Background

[silk dirge]

birthplace cutscene is cool but it makes me depressed

red memory makes me hopeful

[lone folio]

It's cool but red memory is cooler

[sinful nimbus]

Imagine if in the middle of birthplace they put some random filler like dialogue with a random vessel about the circumstances of their birth that's basically the Vespa scene

[gentle aspen]

hornet saying she is still a daughter of hallownest makes me depressed

[sinful nimbus]

Huh

[silk dirge]

how is it not depressing

[limpid summit]

Star when someone feels something else

[sinful nimbus]

Birthplace is about accepting the past so you can work towards a better future

[silk dirge]

true but the cutscene in the moment is depressing

[limpid summit]

So true

[silk dirge]

where red memory makes you actively hopeful

[sinful nimbus]

Well yeah this is MY channel you have to think LIKE ME

[limpid summit]

Imagine it showed a flash scene of the Weavers training PV

Whoops! Truth nuke

[dense aspen]

What are the necrons (robots(sentinels)) pharloom has made of

[limpid summit]

Hmm

[cunning wigeon]

I think the whole hive connection was such a silly plot reveal. Like…ok? I don’t really care

[limpid summit]

Steel?

[silk dirge]

i thought the hive was a neat little detail

[dense aspen]

Damn necrons and their steel

[sinful nimbus]

Vespa's section sure doesn't

[lone folio]

Bells, everything is bells

[sinful nimbus]

I mean yeah it completely kills the pacing

[silk dirge]

i agree the herrah part was the best

[dense aspen]

The necrons clearly aren't bells

[sinful nimbus]

Its also a retcon and one that doesn't really make sense

[silk dirge]

but the first part of white lady and hornets dialog is also good

[limpid summit]

Herrah part was the best plus the original weaver part besides prove yourself more weaver than wyrm

[silk dirge]

white ladies present dialog is silly

[arctic vapor]

would hornet even recognize the knight as the shade lord? hornet wasn't there in the dream realm or in the godtuners' realm at the radiance bossfight

[cunning wigeon]

It’s neat, but I just can’t bring myself to care about Vespa

[silk dirge]

but i like the part where hornet talks about crafting a world better than our own

[sinful nimbus]

Herrah and White Lady have a whole lot of nothing to say

[silk dirge]

that hit very hard

[limpid summit]

No probably not off the rip

[sinful nimbus]

"You can make a better future" yeah I know this geniuses shut your mouth

[gentle aspen]

that part sucks

[silk dirge]

what would you have done instead of red memory 😭

[gentle aspen]

yeah the other weavers fucking bullied hornets for being part wyrm

more racism

fuck those guys

[silk dirge]

i want to see some cool ideas from you all

[gentle aspen]

Assholes

[sinful nimbus]

I am not a chef I am a taste tester

[silk dirge]

oh yeah the weaver part is silly

[spark valve]

the herrah part like at least made sense for the weird complete shift act 3 does to basically just being about two characters one of which has zero character development despite driving the entire plot (lmao)

[silk dirge]

tongue issue

[gentle aspen]

the hive part isn’t a hard retcon it’s just very weird to add now

[cunning wigeon]

But baby hornet…

[gentle aspen]

like it doesn’t add much to hornet I think

[dense aspen]

What wyrms are awsome
Weavers can go fuck themselves they deserve to die off

[gentle aspen]

like for old players its a callback ig but new players would go “lmao who is this broad”

[dense aspen]

Hey wait a minute

[silk dirge]

like i think silksong needed the call back to distant village atleast

[lone folio]

"prove you are more Weaver then wyrm" they say as Hornet starts hurling racial slurs

[silk dirge]

that was so good

[cunning wigeon]

SHAW

[silk dirge]

the other call backs didnt hit as hard but the dv one

[dense aspen]

If all the weavers are queen how did the baby weavers appear in the original

[spark valve]

they don't exist

[silk dirge]

seeing the stag elevator i was like literally doing the pointing at my screen meme

[gentle aspen]

they’re not all queen, I assume you mean have a curse for birthing

and the answer is TC didn’t think about it at the time

[dense aspen]

Then who the fuck are the little weaverlings

[silk dirge]

imposters

[lone folio]

Baby Weavers? Never heard of em! Clearly this is hallownest propaganda!!

[sinful nimbus]

Crazy how the 3 characters you are supposed to care about are either not fleshed out at all (GMS), don't get any screentime so you can get attached to them (Lace), or are completely unlikeable (Hornet)

[spark valve]

weaverlings from the charm are constructs little weavers don't make sense

[frosty gate]

Weren't they made out of soul?

[dense aspen]

Hallownest propaganda is hallownest truth

[gentle aspen]

So now it’s just a random thing that contradicts the second game until tc comes up with some random stuff to explain the tetcon

[silk dirge]

star when team cherry fixes the slab fly entries and she cant call hornet unlikeable anymore

[dense aspen]

Ok good enough amswer I believe it

[sinful nimbus]

She'd still be unlikeable

[frosty gate]

Yeah out of all the things, that was a Retcon

[gentle aspen]

they’re not changing shit

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet is just aura farming all the time she has no depth

Mary sue

[dense aspen]

That's not ture
That's lace but without the aura farming

And she's also a birch

[silk dirge]

thats like one of the things theyd probably change

if people brought it up

[dense aspen]

You know what throw in hakra too

I fuckin hate her

[gentle aspen]

I’d send a speed gif but I have to be an example for you lot

[elfin minnow]

Are weavers racist!!!

[silk dirge]

shakra is cool

[dense aspen]

Idk but they did get retconned

[gentle aspen]

probably not
I don’t think that was intended by team cherry

[sinful nimbus]

💔

[dense aspen]

She made me go to bilwater again so I get to act 3 she is not cool

[sinful nimbus]

Shakra has the appropriate amount of depth for a side character imo

[silk dirge]

i wish i didnt have physics homework so i could cook up my own silksong story

[sinful nimbus]

She's also likeable and has cool things to say about the world

[cunning wigeon]

That’s crazy

[frosty gate]

Now that I think about it, the Sin that landed the flies in the Slab, was that during Conductors, Weavers or GMS era?

[gentle aspen]

what other side characters have that sort of depth
Sherma?

[gentle aspen]

We dunno

[sinful nimbus]

Caretaker

[limpid summit]

Seth

[gentle aspen]

he’s a dick and he loses his dickery in act 3 so no

[silk dirge]

i still need to figure out how having conductors messing around with void would work but itd cook hard as an idea

[lone folio]

Zango, his redemption arc was so good

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong has a third act?

Also he's still a grumblebum throughout the game but he's a loveable one who has his heart in the right place

[dense aspen]

Yes you didn't know what?

[silk dirge]

"CELESTE HAS D SIDES??!!??" ahh message

[frosty gate]

I'll put it between weavers and conductors until further confirmation

[sinful nimbus]

Sherma is cool I wish he did anything in act 3

[gentle aspen]

I should play celeste

[dense aspen]

I love sherma

[gentle aspen]

nah I gotta finish blasphemous

[silk dirge]

you should right now

[dense aspen]

You think he killed anyone

[gentle aspen]

Canonically he did not

[frosty gate]

Also, everytime I go around trying to do a Steel Soul i go speak with Druid and now I'm thinking, what the hell is up with the Druid

[dense aspen]

Blasphemous is amazing

[sinful nimbus]

Bro gets put in charge of Songclave and he does ZERO (0) things to better the place

[gentle aspen]

That’s why the judges don’t do shit to him

[dense aspen]

The last fraud

[gentle aspen]

The fuck was he supposed to do???

[cunning wigeon]

OR Sherma beat their asses

[sinful nimbus]

Idk write something for him to do genius

[gentle aspen]

caretaker didn’t do shit either that was all jornet

[sinful nimbus]

Caretaker put up tasks on the wishboard sherma doesn't even do that

[lone folio]

Better headcannon

[gentle aspen]

Sherma’s not a fighter or a collector he’s a pilgrim who had that shit foisted into him

[silk dirge]

all caretaker did was go oiii ahoii oiii

[sinful nimbus]

So he has no character growth in Act 3 got it

[lone folio]

Sherman absolutely WWE slammed last judge into the ground

[dense aspen]

Why should he? He's got like 8 gazillion bugs that need to be treated

[sinful nimbus]

He's not healing anyone in Act 3 either

[gentle aspen]

I should block you

[dense aspen]

That's all off screen just like how all of shakras likeable moments are off screen and on fire

[gentle aspen]

Actually no that’s childish

I should ban you

[sinful nimbus]

God bless

[dense aspen]

That's even more childish

[sinful nimbus]

💔

[gentle aspen]

You want what she’s having?

[celest wagon]

What exactly are craws again? I forgots

[sinful nimbus]

Bugs

They be their own species

[gentle aspen]

birdlike bugs who have a court

[cunning wigeon]

The only functional government in pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

I should make an SS character tierlist

[gentle aspen]

no you shouldn’t

[celest wagon]

Ah i see, is it ever shown what a craw looks like under a cloak?

[spark valve]

do it

[dense aspen]

You probably have such shitty ss takes i dont wanna hear them

[gentle aspen]

I should make an SS boss tierlist

[silk dirge]

the only thing we would agree on is nuu being goated

[dense aspen]

No thado it

[dense aspen]

Nuu Is ok

[silk dirge]

nuu >>> hunter

[dense aspen]

Ok I can agree on that

[cunning wigeon]

Calm down pal

[gentle aspen]

if we got to read their notes I’d agree

Without that, meh

[silk dirge]

i really like how she wanders around pharloom

i too desire to taste dead conchfly

[dense aspen]

Maybe not to the point of three > but atleast a =>

[silk dirge]

or fucking wood(sister splinter)

[dense aspen]

In what way

[gentle aspen]

Don’t be weird

[cunning wigeon]

Fair enough

[silk dirge]

i think ive eaten a wood chip once

that must be how nuu feels

[dense aspen]

You this does bring me to a question

Does hornet need to eat she dosent have a mouth

[gentle aspen]

She has a mouth

She says she doesn’t need to eat

[spark valve]

that's a wyrm thing

[cunning wigeon]

She can drink

[lone folio]

She has a mouth somewhere

[silk dirge]

kinda wild considering the wyrm corpse has a massive mouth

[dense aspen]

Well they need to eat dirt to move

[silk dirge]

maybe pale king ate like a millenia worth of food as a wyrm and passed it down

[dense aspen]

Millenia worth of dirt

[sinful nimbus]

I know what you are

[dense aspen]

What am I?

[silk dirge]

star homophobia arc /j

thats like the only context ive seen that phrase used 😭

i think im brainrotted

[silk dirge]

yeah we know hornet is homophobic what else /j

[lapis creek]

is hornet also homophobic

[silk dirge]

shes being transphobic to the knight bc its a vessel and thus genderless

[sinful nimbus]

So what we thinking

[foggy fractal]

is this a tierlist on how lore they are

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah how much I like their character/lore

[cunning wigeon]

Did you put kratt over garmond?

[silk dirge]

vog above kratt is wild

all my homies hate vog

[sinful nimbus]

😔

[silk dirge]

me when i know all flea locations and do jack shit to actually save them

[sinful nimbus]

I can't take Garmond's character seriously after he was turned into a tumblr OC

[lapis creek]

if hornet's not at the bottom i will have so many questions

[cunning wigeon]

…You monster

[foggy fractal]

funny how the 3 arguably most important characters are the bottom 3 lmao

[lone folio]

Broodmother in b? She has no lore except for making children

[silk dirge]

and instead sit my ass down in primal aspid land

[lapis creek]

oh i lagged a bit

[cunning wigeon]

???

[lapis creek]

yeah thats about right

[sinful nimbus]

That's no way to talk about a woman

[lapis creek]

garmond should be higher

[silk dirge]

also why is sprintmaster in s tier 😭

sprintmaster has like 0 lore

hes just a dude who likes to run

[lapis creek]

sprintmaster is the best character in the game

[sinful nimbus]

He's jovial and elicits hearty laughter

[silk dirge]

i respect the running grind

[dense aspen]

This is dogshit

[lapis creek]

he's 100x more emotive than the main protagonist

[silk dirge]

but hes not that deep

[dense aspen]

Or bait

[sinful nimbus]

Thanks cuh

[lapis creek]

green prince should be higher

why is loddie in b

[sinful nimbus]

I can't fw green prince and I don't really know why

[silk dirge]

also where is ballador

[sinful nimbus]

TUK TUK 🗣️

[lapis creek]

i think i might know why

[sinful nimbus]

Idk where ballador is but he's a solid A tier

[cunning wigeon]

Why is the songclave shopkeer in A???

[sinful nimbus]

She's cool

Granny vibes

[silk dirge]

her prices are worse than the acmi zine shipping cost

[lapis creek]

skarrmelita seth and phantom are also too low

[sinful nimbus]

They have no lore bro 🥀

[lapis creek]

i would put groal in a but thats just personal preference

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom is so forgettable the game literally never acknowledges her existence again

[barren beacon]

So hornet has to make a pact with Huntress so they don't kill each other, right? Does that mean that they're equals? Like How Hornet say Carmelita could match her

[sinful nimbus]

She's carried through sheer aura

[lone folio]

More then gilly

[silk dirge]

skarrmelita 🥀 i thought i was done with terrible abbreviations

[whole marsh]

Where TF is Moss Druid

[sinful nimbus]

Gilly is just fun

[silk dirge]

you do not want to know the abbreviations the celeste community cooked up

[sinful nimbus]

Moss Druid is like B

[gentle aspen]

what lore does watcher have gang

[silk dirge]

whenever i read her name i think of the bus manufacturer gillig 😭

[cunning wigeon]

He watches

[silk dirge]

public transit brainrot

[sinful nimbus]

watcher is carried by aura

[whole marsh]

Too low tbh but you do you

[gentle aspen]

what aura

[silk dirge]

also why is moss mother ranked at all lmao

[gentle aspen]

two attacks merchant

[silk dirge]

moss mother has like 0 lore lol

shes not even sapient

[lapis creek]

ballow is definitely a tier right

[sinful nimbus]

He's in a super secret area, has a mysterious name, and looks cool in his windy arena

[lapis creek]

i dont see him here

[cunning wigeon]

Tobbio’s placement is really homophobic

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[silk dirge]

i just wish he had cooler attacks

[lone folio]

Yeah trobbio goes into S+ tier for his amazing performance

[silk dirge]

he is kinda repetitive

otherwise hes really cool

[sinful nimbus]

Its not a good boss yeah

[whole marsh]

She has a little, at least related to her kind

[silk dirge]

i mean her journal entry is massive foreshadowing

[lapis creek]

anyway the only value loddie has is that he proves tc talked to leth once in the last 7 years

[silk dirge]

other than that not much

great conchflies are an s+ tier character tho

[gentle aspen]

who the fuck is loddie

[silk dirge]

the knife throwing dude

[lapis creek]

leth's character in the marrow

[whole marsh]

I didn’t even think of that but you’re right lmao

[gentle aspen]

Who???

[lapis creek]

the ladybug

[gentle aspen]

oh

don’t they die in act 3

[lapis creek]

yes

[gentle aspen]

tc wants leth dead confirmed?

[silk dirge]

does he know

also why does loddie look like kratt 😭

[cunning wigeon]

Not technically I don’t think

[silk dirge]

like hes literally kratt with larger eyes

[sinful nimbus]

Fleas evolve into loddiebugs

[foggy fractal]

would this be loddie jr then ?

[lapis creek]

yes

[lone folio]

This one is better then loddie

[silk dirge]

where does savage beastfly go on your character ranking

[lapis creek]

he has passers by abuse his child for fun

[sinful nimbus]

c idk

[silk dirge]

savage beastfly might actually have some interesting lore

atleast the hunters march one

the far fields one just appears out of nowhere

[lone folio]

It's an old fucking fly

[silk dirge]

it is possible savage beastfly was trapped in the chapel for some reason

[sinful nimbus]

See this is the type of dark lore that gives Hollow Knight its oppressive atmosphere and morbid impact. If you removed Loddie you'd be removing the spirit of this franchise

[gentle aspen]

what lore

“Oh yeah it’s a beast in the chapel of the beast”

[silk dirge]

possibly being trapped in the chapel of the beast as an object of worship of some kind

[gentle aspen]

“Maybe the thing we get the crest from is its final form”

[cunning wigeon]

Loddie is the pale king

[foggy fractal]

he's related to the beast 🐺

[lone folio]

Everything in that chapel is trapped there for some reason, maybe the skarrs use those creatures to test their skills

[barren beacon]

Savage Beastfly's Lore goes mad hard

[lone folio]

Otherwise not interesting

[gaunt elbow]

We need ladybug enemies loddie and his little buddy are not enough

[barren beacon]

Just read their Needolin's dialogue

[lone folio]

Trobbios stage has more lore

[barren beacon]

Loddie dies, right?

I never went to his room in act 3

[gaunt elbow]

There's no body just like pondcatcher reed but probably

I hope they're both alive tho

[cunning wigeon]

It’s completely collapsed

[opal beacon]

Calculated by pixels

[lapis creek]

he actually tries to use his child as a human shield

[opaque pier]

I never went to his room when he was alive and completely missed him 😭

[opal beacon]

I'm gonna cry

[silk dirge]

"Hunt the weak, devour the dead!
...Our foes...
Ancestor's echo, rumbling cry!
Scars and cracks and stolen lives...
Distant dark, vivid red...
Break through, break through..."

[foggy fractal]

do you have anymore of these pixels though

[silk dirge]

yeah savage beastfly might actually be surprisingly deep

[barren beacon]

So Eloquent, My Goat Beastfly

[opal beacon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Silksong/comments/1neyn3o/pharloom_vs_hallownest_properly_scaled/
Calculated not by me, but by this dude

[barren beacon]

So Savage Beastfly's were hunted

[silk dirge]

yeah

[lapis creek]

wait where tf are the shamans

[silk dirge]

it could also be related to the thing we get crest of the beast from

maybe that was a beastfly ancestor

[sinful nimbus]

[sinful nimbus]

Ari is a beast

[silk dirge]

anyways yeah beastfly has deeper lore than youd think its silly

[opal beacon]

He's a monster

Why Hornet is so big

Imagine hkss with knight being protagonist

[silk dirge]

i hope team cherry had some sort of code algorithm to do basic level tiling otherwise filling out each room like that seems insane

[opal beacon]

Goty

[cunning wigeon]

He has to do shade skips to get anywhere

[silk dirge]

ari would be the type to do it tho

[gaunt elbow]

Imagine Hallownest or pharloom with the hollow knight as a protagonist bro couldn't fit anywhere

[silk dirge]

but i would be kinda shocked if team cherry actually hand made every room like that is not something a lot of people would be able to do without going insane

[lapis creek]

wait a minute why do gilly and mask maker look exactly the same

[cunning wigeon]

The hollow knight having to crawl through doors would be peak

[sinful nimbus]

Nose

[silk dirge]

ok wait i think the beast crest is an ancestor of savage beastfly

"Ancestor's echo, rumbling cry!"

also its determination to break through

i actually kinda feel bad for savage beastfly tbh

[lapis creek]

i dont

[silk dirge]

i still want to stick all of them to glue traps

but their lore is kinda deep

[vestal swan]

If the dumbass turned around they could get out they can fly

[frosty gate]

Imagine
The Hollow Knight as a protagonist
anywhere

[silk dirge]

thats why i believe they werent trying to escape

[gentle aspen]

I’d rather not

[fresh badger]

This thing looks more like the dino in queens gardens than savage beastfly

[vestal swan]

What else would they be doing

[silk dirge]

they were trying to get to the chamber where beast crest is

[cunning wigeon]

Please give me hollow knight; hollow knight edition

[gaunt elbow]

Everything would have to be huge like those massive mossgrubs would be normal sized mossgrubs to the hollow knight

[vestal swan]

Also I just realized why does silk song have the lit candle problem

Who the fuck is lighting those

Why do people keep reposting this map

[frosty gate]

"Lighter bug" cousin of Mender

[foggy fractal]

probably some basic ass bugs

[silk dirge]

nah the front mask of it looks like a savage beastfly kinda

also this is supposedly an ancestor of savage beastfly

not a savage beastfly

[vestal swan]

Does anything actually suggest that

[silk dirge]

so it makes sense theyd look similar and different

[frosty gate]

It'd be badass

[silk dirge]

needolin dialog

"Ancestor's echo, rumbling cry!"

[vestal swan]

Weird

[sinful nimbus]

Why do you think they added father of the flame to the game

[silk dirge]

this makes me think whatever is in there is calling out to savage beastfly for some reason

and thats why its so determined to break in

[vestal swan]

They should add a secret alliance option if you go into the father of the flame area with Flint striker and set the grass on fire

Use the fire to burn GMS

[foggy fractal]

yeah why didn't TC think of this smh my head...

[gentle aspen]

chat

[silk dirge]

i gotta eat lunch but this sudden beastfly lore discovery is kinda crazy actually

[gentle aspen]

what if the trilobite shrine was one of hornet’s dead lovers

[silk dirge]

of all the bosses to have deep lore

ofc savage beastfly would be one

[blissful harbor]

she sure knows how to pick em

[gentle aspen]

She got her penchant for size from her dad

[muted lantern]

I wonder if hornet knew marissa

[opaque pier]

Wasnt she pretty young during the events of hk?

[gentle aspen]

no

[foggy fractal]

well then Hornet has bad taste look at em

[gentle aspen]

wow, bodyshaming, are we?

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[blissful harbor]

she’s an adult in HK and an old lady in SS

[foggy fractal]

this trilobite sucks !!!

[gentle aspen]

anyways this is the first leg day where my legs aren’t dying so

hype

[foggy fractal]

fire

[opaque pier]

What if this was actually a map of the citadel (im pulling stuff out of my ass dont believe me)

[cunning wigeon]

Don’t judge a book by its cover. I’m sure it was a real nice fella

[gentle aspen]

It looks nothing like it

[vestal swan]

The only time hornet is "young" is in the red memory

[opaque pier]

Damn i thought she was like 16 or smth

[edgy barn]

what no.

[gentle aspen]

Bro’s projecting

[fresh badger]

More like 1600

[cunning wigeon]

I mean, they are bugs. That could be considered super old

[foggy fractal]

bro gonna become this guy

[fresh badger]

Hornet is canonically a hag

[gentle aspen]

Irl doesn’t apply

[edgy barn]

Hornet in HK was already older than most characters.

[dense aspen]

No

[fresh badger]

She even has a witch crest
Hag

[cunning wigeon]

I know, but I like to think the entire timeline is just a month or something because of how bugs age

[opaque pier]

Shes surely younger than the 5 knights right?

[vestal swan]

Possibly

[dense aspen]

Is athena a hag?

[fresh badger]

Yes

[gentle aspen]

yes

[edgy barn]

Most likely.

[dense aspen]

Ok, fair internal logic good day.

[gentle aspen]

They use the term years

[fresh badger]

Yeah the 5 knights were already firmly established before the infection hit (which spurred the dreamer plan and Hornet's birth)

[cunning wigeon]

Awww. There’s goes that headcanon