sk-lore

[muted lantern]

The locusts are coming

[foggy fractal]

uh oh

mods ! get them !

[muted lantern]

The mods have save us from the invasion

The farm may survive another day

[foggy fractal]

anyway
if we were to get a godhome equivalent for Silksong
what way would fit the lore best
same with colo and white palace

[gentle aspen]

not tying it to another ending for one

[sinful nimbus]

Memory

[muted lantern]

Elegy of the deep lets her go into memories, I presume we could go back into red memory and fight her past battles

[sinful nimbus]

Colosseum of fools is just the Coral Tower

[muted lantern]

Which would give good reason to fight Vespa and such

[knotty wing]

Ripp the whole idea of pharloom using a nedolin, after finishing the pantheon all that is left is a pile ef ruble

[muted lantern]

If it's in hornets memory

[foggy fractal]

coral tower was like barely one trial ! grr

because awesome

[knotty wing]

Then she would rip her own memory no? Free lobotomy

[muted lantern]

Blood of her enemies

[foggy fractal]

50/50, who knows what TC has in store

[muted lantern]

Waiter! Waiter! Another lobotomy please!

[orchid whale]

Because that means the Haunting was started by the Citadel. I don't know why a society aiming to keep GMS imprisoned would use her silk for eternal life.
They also have to get the silk from somewhere too.
I think it's possible that GMS was involved in somehow proposing these experiments, alluring the members of the whiteward with the idea that it'd grant eternal life, all so one day as generations passed she would have more control over the kingdom.
The Haunting wasn't just GMS overtaking the Citadel. It was done in cooperation with the Citadel. And this was seen as a fair trade, since they got what they asked for: Eternal life.

[lapis creek]

the silk was basically everywhere wasnt it

[orchid whale]

I think that was after the haunting

[lapis creek]

it's kind of a soul master situation

[edgy stone]

Did the citadel aim to keep gms imprisoned?

[muted lantern]

She forgor

[gentle aspen]

That’s the purpose of the citadel

[muted lantern]

Yes, task passed down from weavers

[edgy stone]

I thought they were doing it out of a lost origin

[vestal swan]

That only happens in one that really shouldn't be a memory

[orchid whale]

I think they thought this is what they were doing, but it wasn't working.

[sinful nimbus]

Its not like the choir was really aware of what they were doing

Weavers set up a religion where GMS was a holy god to them so that they could be put in power

[edgy stone]

Like the citadels purpose to keep her imprisoned was lost and its caste was just perpetuating it

[orchid whale]

Well, they knew they were getting eternal life. That is what the Haunting did. So I think they were aware. They just didn't know they'd lose autonomy

[lapis creek]

is that what the haunting did

[orchid whale]

It does reanimate the dead

[sinful nimbus]

The goal wasn't to get GMS to string them up

[orchid whale]

Yeah but it gave them eternal life

[lapis creek]

yeah but that's different from eternal life

the choir members are alive for like a minute each

[knotty wing]

I like to think she is sleep walking and literally throwing traps at the air

[lapis creek]

the reanimated ones i mean

[orchid whale]

I mean, I don't know why they'd be injecting silk into themselves hoping for immortality if they didn't at least have an inkling of it reanimating the dead.

[lapis creek]

the ones we see get reanimated

[orchid whale]

My guess is, the idea was proposed, they tried it. "EUREKA IT WORKS!" And they continued with it.

[sinful nimbus]

Have you done it yet, bellringer? Wriggled deep? Discovered the depths of obsession that brought this place so low?

Hornet: If you speak of this Citadel and its Silk, Caretaker, then yes, I now know the start of it.
Hornet: In the ward down below, I saw it clear, the hollowed husks, and the many torturous implements... machines to instill a bug with thread, that would see their life extended.
Aye! That's it, in part! But there's more scale to it than all that. Just think of'em greedily shoving the Silk into their shells, the madness that overcame them, eternal life for mortal bugs! Then think on how long it's all gone on...
Hornet: ...The children born of them, and all the pilgrims after... The Silk has seeded deep into this kingdom's shells, generations deep...
Hornet: No wonder Pharloom's bugs proved such easy prey for that haunted thread. It had only to seek for itself to reach them.
Ho ho! Now you're seein' it, bellringer! These poor pilgrims, all born bound to the cruel system of our world, now stricken in its new cursed web.
The goal was to extend life through implanting silk into the bugs, not through the haunting (Which is GMS's threads in particular ensnaring the bugs of Pharloom)

[vestal swan]

The eternal life in pharloom was not a lie like the sanctum, they actually figured it out with the only side effect being extremely susceptible to The haunting. The haunting was not the immortality

[sinful nimbus]

The entire wording of this conversation also doesn't really imply it was a deliberate deal with GMS

[edgy stone]

I feel like the string probably helped control the amount of soul

While like the soul sanctum dudes were just overdosing on that shit

[orchid whale]

Hornet does say here that this enabled the haunting though, it's where it started. The haunting is just silk invading your body to reanimate/control you. Having silk inside you already just makes this easy.

[orchid whale]

It doesn't, it's just a theory

[silver spire]

ok guys so i have a theory on what void could be:

in the journal entry for the shade in HK, it says "Each of us leaves an imprint of something when we die. A stain on the world. I don't know how much longer this kingdom can bear the weight of so many past lives...". and confessor Jiji describes the shade as a regret, a stain left on the world when we as the knight die. and now in silksong, when we reclaim our cocoon, we briefly see an outline of hornet in black that looks like its made of void. THEREFORE, is it plausible to think that the regrets and stains of bugs manifest physically as the void at the bottom of the world? it would certainly explain the aggression and disconnected nature of void, where it is not in unity. also, i think that it might be possible because we've seen many mental or memory constructs/ dream realm constructs be brought into reality

keep in mind that this is ALL speculation, none of it should be taken for fact

[sinful nimbus]

I know it opened the door for the haunting but nothing implies it was a deliberate deal with GMS

[lapis creek]

on the part of the surgeons it was explicitly an accident

[orchid whale]

I know, it's just a theory

[lapis creek]

see their journal entry

[gentle aspen]

It’s not literally regrets

[edgy stone]

Void should just be oil

Make it oil and call it a day

[lapis creek]

i think the idea here is that gms gave someone else the idea and that someone else passed it on to the surgeons? or that she was able to anonymously suggest this to them?

[gentle aspen]

Jiji’s entire diatribe about the shade when we talk to her isn’t canonical anyways

[silver spire]

was that stated by TC?

im not aware, forgive me

[sinful nimbus]

Interactions with Jiji aren't taken as canonical because respawning does not appear to be canon

[gentle aspen]

Respawning isn’t canon you don’t need tc to tell you that

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong also recontextualizes the Steel clan as being adverse to void usage and if Jiji attempted that she would get murdered by the steel assassins

[gentle aspen]

Jiji’s first and foremost a confessor

You’re meant to confess your regrets to her and she gives them physical form

Then you deal with them

Even within the non canonical shade interaction she notes how differently we deal with them anyways

[lapis geode]

But it sort of canon in HK right?

[gentle aspen]

No

[silver spire]

im just saying it might be a possibility, idk. even if the conversation and journal entry aren't canon, what they state can contribute to my theory imo

[edgy stone]

Jiji does seem to be of some lower caste of steel related beings though

[regal crow]

Any relationship between the trobbio troupe and Grimm troupe?

[silver spire]

not that we know of

[gentle aspen]

No, and trobbio doesn’t have a troop

[edgy stone]

Jiji looks like the bug that runs away in silksong and they seemed to be not be treated very well

[regal crow]

He’s a performer, it’s implied

[lapis geode]

Oohhh...
I thought respawning is like a foresight-- which basically shown that
Hornet/Ghost use Wyrm ability to see the future. Thus, every death is just like a warning

But yeahh... make it non canon is just simpler

[gentle aspen]

being a performer doesn’t mean you have a troupe

[gentle aspen]

It tangibly affects the world and takes away your money and soul/silk capacity

[edgy stone]

He actually controls the steel assasins and theyre just bidding their time

[gentle aspen]

can’t be foresight

[lapis geode]

Indeed. That's why make it non canon is better

[regal crow]

What note?

[silver spire]

so then is it or is it not canon if it tangibly affects the world

[edgy stone]

Trobbio is moreso an actor than anything else and they can be alone pretty often

[silver spire]

after all, we lose all our money which affects our story if we die more than once without reclaiming our stuff

[gentle aspen]

It’s a video game

its gonna have respawning

It “tangibly affects the world” by cutting the player’s whatever

and the shade would eventually go back to the abyss

[silk dirge]

wake up babe new really cool silksong analysis video dropped

https://youtu.be/nwo8_OqgRYc?si=UKhiJ3Bi9emlEr2C

[regal crow]

wtf this weirdo doing here

[gentle aspen]

ROCKS

[gentle aspen]

this is a silkpost

[edgy stone]

I love how the dlab just has 2 useless npcs

[regal crow]

Not useless. They got words

Who’s the other one!

[sinful nimbus]

is this real

[edgy stone]

Shitty words

[regal crow]

Ahhhh

[sinful nimbus]

Team Cherry's attention to detail with little easter eggs like this is truly impressive

[silk dirge]

no

[edgy stone]

I feel like trobbio is also more batshit insane than what we see

Its not like he attacks hornet for a reason

[silk dirge]

avg theater kid

[covert night]

peak

[gentle aspen]

it’s part of the play

[edgy stone]

I think trobbio just kills people who sees his performance

[sinful nimbus]

Oh nevermind I hate Team Cherry then

[gentle aspen]

also after the second one he clearly doesn’t fw us

[edgy stone]

I think the performance is just him killing you

Trobbio is just fucking jhin from league of legends

[orchid whale]

Btw, what are the masks on the sign to Trobbio’s building meant to imply? Does it imply it was a place that served a different purpose before he arrived? Is it just a sign representing the whole library?

[edgy stone]

I was a lead actor and stage designer for my school theater

[gentle aspen]

theater masks I guess

[orchid whale]

Yeah but it’s not even really a theater

[gentle aspen]

area’s called the stage it’s probably meant for stuff like that

[edgy stone]

Its also all the same mask and 3 off them, so unless pharloom has a third type of story we dont know about its odd

Comedy, tragedy and a new made up third thing

It was probably always a musical hall

[regal crow]

It’s all a grand performance. “The life is a stage and we all but actors.” - Shakespeare (I think)

[edgy stone]

I doubt pharloom had any reason for art outside of music

[regal crow]

And yet they have a stage for plays

[edgy stone]

Well it mightve been moreso a stage for a full concert

[orchid whale]

Maybe it’s just a very sad theater without chairs? Idk I would expect something more akin to an auditorium or like… a literal stage. The room Trobbio fights you in had a model of the Citadel in it as its most prominent feature. Did they only ever do plays about giant monsters attacking the city?

[regal crow]

What

[edgy stone]

Trobbio is just a dickhead I think thats the biggest takeaway

Hes worth nothing, does nothing and is a piece of shit all at the same time

[regal crow]

With all the pyrotechnics and flashing lights? Nah

[edgy stone]

100% installed by trobbios weird ass

[edgy stone]

I think there is one line of dialouge referencing him

[knotty wing]

The city is big like humongous the stage is small compared to it, it wouldn't be weird for small packets of different art than music to spring up inside of a place that big

[silk dirge]

ok this video is really cool the theory that mt fay is a dormant/extinct volcano definitely could be explored

[edgy barn]

I don't think Trobbio was in the citadel while it was actually active.

[covert night]

one of his needolin dialogues say "awake pharloom"

[regal crow]

Any theories on what the dlcs will be about? Non-meme theories

[sinful nimbus]

Those are Vaultbugs pretty sure

[edgy stone]

Oh wait

It was a recital hall probably

[regal crow]

The smiling and crying masks are iconic in theater. They represent comedy and tragedy

[sterile jacinth]

I think those are just the bug equivalent of comedy/tragedy masks

[edgy stone]

Its probably where the vaultbugs played the recordings or made the recordings of all their musical records

[sinful nimbus]

I don't remember no smiling and crying masks

[knotty wing]

Steal beings, it was in the trailer and got cut

[sterile jacinth]

Bug equivalent. That’s how I read it. It just means a play

Or like theater

[sinful nimbus]

There are 3 of them no

[sterile jacinth]

It doesn’t need to be identical but they’re similar

[edgy barn]

Did you get that silkson geology video recomended as well?

[lapis creek]

i still remember this entire speech 3 years after reading the play lmao

[silk dirge]

yeah I posted it here

[sterile jacinth]

I mean trobio is an actor and masks could be a shorthand for a play so

[orchid whale]

That's possible!
Though the fact enemies in this area wear those kinds of masks makes me think otherwise.

[sterile jacinth]

The place is called the stage and that’s the only place you see those mask symbols

[regal crow]

Steel beings? Explain

[sterile jacinth]

Which enemies?

[edgy barn]

You guys mean these masks?

[mystic jungle]

he’s also red

[regal crow]

Idk. Usually it’s 2 masks, What’s #3?

[sterile jacinth]

Oooh you’re right. The other vault entrances don’t have those masks tho

[edgy barn]

I was thinking of these too

[edgy stone]

Im calling that the stage is an old recital hall for the vaultbugs

[sterile jacinth]

That makes sense to me

[orchid whale]

Yeah, it could still be theater masks.
Or it's a mask shop......??

[regal crow]

It’s a warning sign. Beware of bug taur

[sterile jacinth]

Could be where the choir receives direction like we see in the psalm cynlinders

[orchid whale]

Oh that could be true

[sterile jacinth]

Could be both that and a more conventional stage/theater

[edgy stone]

Theres also an elevator that leads you pretty closely to where the dead psalm cylinder guy is

[left rivet]

o i thought it was like "this way to one of the 3 songs" but just the vaultkeepers makes more sense

[sterile jacinth]

From the underworks no less

[sterile jacinth]

You also see this sign in the vaults by the entrance to the stage

[sinful nimbus]

Why wasn't Mizello's surgery on the official OST?

[edgy stone]

Yeah trobbio just found something that looked like a stage and stole it

[sinful nimbus]

Does Larkin not value the Citadel's holy music

[gentle aspen]

too much of a banger

[left rivet]

No wait that psalm cylinder was about training VAULTKEEPERS... though I think there were also choir ones

[sterile jacinth]

He might have been invited on. Or he did steal it cause everyone’s too haunted to stop him

[edgy stone]

2nd one

[sterile jacinth]

Because we can’t have nice things

[edgy stone]

Would you invite trobbio to perform?

[left rivet]

its b e a u t i f u l educational knowledge was too much for unenlighented beings to comprehend

[edgy stone]

Who would want to see trobbio perform

Trobbio fucking sucks

[sterile jacinth]

I think as long as he doesn’t kill anyone it would be cool

[lyric rose]

Last Operation of Conductor Mizello

[covert night]

do we know anything about mizello

[sterile jacinth]

Yes let’s let the choir hear that 🔥

[edgy barn]

The citadel doesn't seem like the type that would tolerate Trobbio's antics.

[edgy stone]

Act 4: lace and hornet hunt down trobbio with elephantguns

[molten python]

Yes, Mizello was a Conductor who performed surgery in Whiteward.

[covert night]

he is wrong color in the game

[left rivet]

he is pretty vain BUT he is good at theater: He literally creates tornadoes out of glitter and wind, makes projectiles out of his dramatic spinning: AND IT PROTECTS HIM.

[edgy barn]

Specially the murder

[sterile jacinth]

That’s fair. He does seem opposed to them (if extremely misguided)

[lyric rose]

(Literally cartel execution audio)

[edgy stone]

It takes him 7 seconds to fake a death

[gentle aspen]

The psalm cylinder implies he was the one who got the surgery done on him

Not that he did surgeries

[edgy stone]

That bug ass motherfucker has absolutely no talent in his bones

[sterile jacinth]

Ts is gonna happen to you if you stop singing

[lyric rose]

Maybe both

[left rivet]

ALso his general behavior is LITERALLY ME (execpt i have the opposite of his egotistical nature... kinda low self-esteem)

[covert night]

yes

[lyric rose]

Maybe he operated on himself once, didn’t work so well

[gentle aspen]

Also the fact that the unravelled we fight is literally the main body of a conductor

[edgy stone]

Now are the conductors actually big ass bugs like their outfits suggest or are they very small and just have baggy clothing

[sterile jacinth]

People with low self esteem can be extremely performative lmao

[left rivet]

Maybe thats why he closed it off to protect himself

beautiful

[sterile jacinth]

Maybe he was killing the citadel bugs who were like who tf is causing all this racket

[left rivet]

eh idk why i like moving around/spinning

[edgy stone]

Can we get a rejuvenated trobbio

[sterile jacinth]

Nothing wrong with that lol

[covert night]

thats what i thought when i saw the unraveled first time. just a failed experiment

[edgy stone]

And make him green

[left rivet]

XD

[sterile jacinth]

Yea I wanna talk to him

[molten python]

Really? I interpret "last surgery of Conductor Mizello" more as being performed by Mizello.

[left rivet]

ya imagine if we get to humble HIM

[edgy stone]

Can we get a rainbow of trobbios

[sterile jacinth]

I thought the unraveled was the collective anger and pain of all the white ward patients

[left rivet]

Like he actually becomes nicer cuz he stops being delulu and realizes u saved the kingdom

[molten python]

"Tormented will of countless husks made manifest in a pit of Silk dregs."

[sterile jacinth]

I want to talk to him and his bruised ego

[left rivet]

it is... but they decided to steal mizellos body: The giant metal hat is proof

[edgy barn]

I thought the same originally, but why would a conductor be performing a surgery?

[sterile jacinth]

-# I hate that metal hat… doesn’t let me pogo smh

[graceful grail]

I just realised i have played HK and SS a total of 40 complete days! Is this Normal??(960 hrs)

[sterile jacinth]

They could have had multiple jobs

[left rivet]

"wait so u like my performance?" "Ah, then for u, savior of our kingdom, and other plebians, I SHALL PERFORM IN CELEBRATION!"

[gentle aspen]

Well, he’s a conductor, the main thing we fight in the unravelled is a conductor’s body, and I’m pretty sure the screams are meant to be his

[sterile jacinth]

Perhaps he was conducting the surgery

[sterile jacinth]

hornet slaps him

[molten python]

That's possible. I thought it was numerous husks in the robes of a Conductor.

[left rivet]

i like lazing around in ss so much i have 58 hrs and i still dont have motivation to just start act 3 (I have everything)

[sterile jacinth]

Could be a mix of both

[sinful nimbus]

Dude the wiki image for the corpses in Whiteward was all blurred and I thought there was a Seth doppleganger in Whiteward

[knotty wing]

First you got jinn in hk when you play in steel soul then you have the other one I forgot the name of in silksong that spawn in blasted steps in steal soul and gives you a quest to destroy an assistant? Slave would be a better word seeing how their relationship dynamics

Anyway both of these beings are made entirely of steel and are similar, probably the same species, in the hk silksong trailer you can see the coral area (brimming with life that got cut) that has enemies also made of steel which are also probably the same species.

Tc has a pattern of introducing a concept somewhere and then rebranding it and releasing it later (look bone marrow)

So we could see a dlc including that species made out of steel or maybe in another game? In the place where weavers were captured to there are other kingdoms existing implied, one even had a steel inside of it's name if i remember correctly

[left rivet]

she would slap him if he decides to invade personal space.

[graceful grail]

I have 190 hrs on silksong

[lyric rose]

Mod idea: replace the audio track with the spring lock failure audio

[edgy barn]

It is, but the ropes need to have come from somewhere, and you find the recording near the spot where you find the key to access the boss.

[sterile jacinth]

lol I want to see him try to dance with her and she’s like no

[marble tartan]

So karmelitas singing warded off the haunting?

[sterile jacinth]

Gave the Skarr the strength to fight against it even now

[left rivet]

in cradle its mentoined that the choirstors once captured and took a weaver from a CITY OF STEEL it might mean that thats where most of the other steel ppl live

[lyric rose]

That’s kinda genius

[left rivet]

and then hes just like yay i get to perform for everyone else (No killing needed anymore)

[lyric rose]

You can’t hear the song if you’re bopping to a way better tune

[sterile jacinth]

People will… listen? If I don’t kill? My! Why didn’t I think of that

I like trobio he’s a lil stupid

[fathom hill]

trobbio

[left rivet]

but ya gotta respect his dedication to his craft (like painting everything in just a few minutes)

[wild zinc]

Do you guys think the weavers see the pharlids like how we see monkeys

[fathom hill]

we love trobbio

[wild zinc]

Trobbio

[sterile jacinth]

Ik. I think he’s a theater kid who got left alone too long

[lyric rose]

The weavers literally had a Darwin vs religion crisis

[fathom hill]

trobio plush to soak into milk and throw into the wall

[left rivet]

"EXCUSE ME??? HOW DARE U CALL ME TROBIO! ITS TRROOOOOOOOOBBBBBBBBBBBIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOO"

[edgy stone]

Pharlids are everywhere in pharloom

[lyric rose]

OMG AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[edgy stone]

They pop up a lot

[fathom hill]

why is there no trobbio anything

[sterile jacinth]

[edgy barn]

and became a serial killer

[left rivet]

XD thats hilariously accurate

[knotty wing]

Probably the same dynamic bugs under the pale becon see their smaller counter parts

[sterile jacinth]

Exactly lmao

I really wish we could have conversations with him. Maybe Hornet can scare the shit out of him again

[left rivet]

whoa i never needolined them but ya thats more proof of karmelitas aid in helping the tribe resist gms

[wild zinc]

Tbh trobbio should appear in songclave or something after you beat him or something

[left rivet]

i love how he kills with just fireworks and a bunch of glitter tornadoes

[sterile jacinth]

I wish 😔

[left rivet]

and just him shooting smoke bombs XD

i mean actually

[sterile jacinth]

I feel like he’d see you enter songclaive or whatever corner he crawled into and like scrambles away from you

[left rivet]

if u think about it: theres a chance he HASNT killed anyone, ONLY hornet

[sterile jacinth]

He’s kinda pathetic and I have to respect that

[trim lark]

some entertainment there would be nice
sherma is nice but they aint a comedian or anything

[covert night]

i love how karmelita is not a higher being and just a normal bug but strong enough to resist higher beings

[edgy barn]

That would mean te boss fight is his first performance.

[left rivet]

He might have! BUT eitehr in self-defense, carried away by moment, OR his first opponent: Hornet. the entry is only her FIRST IMPRESSION of him.

[sterile jacinth]

She’s so cool

[fathom hill]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-boss-trobbio-tormented-trobbio-gif-2326725108371992682

[left rivet]

i think maybe he used to perform in the past (non-violent glitter tornadoes)

[sterile jacinth]

“I have seen the errors of my ways dear huntress!”

[left rivet]

after haunting he has to in self-defense against the acutally dangerous haunted bugs

[sterile jacinth]

“I shall not attack you again for I realize my efforts were in vain”

[trim lark]

why didnt trobbio open the door if he wanted performers is he stupid

[sterile jacinth]

Maybe he was driving himself crazy with conspiracies

[knotty wing]

It's a double check,

"if you really care about MY performance then do some parkour"

[molten python]

Yeah bro, one of the little choirbugs might've defeated Trobbio by mistake.

[sterile jacinth]

The great Trobbio?? Surely you haven’t such little faith!

[left rivet]

yes. he's kinda more concerned about him doing his beautiful artowrk+tornadoes

[lyric rose]

Ironically he’s like the 2nd or 3rd hardest boss in the whole game

Wait wrong reply

I meant trobbio

[sterile jacinth]

I found him pretty easy. Tormented trobbio wasn’t as easy lol

[lyric rose]

Tormented Trobbio

[left rivet]

i smh beat tor Trobbio first try on my bros account cuz he let me try once

[lyric rose]

Tormented Trobbio is actual insanity

[trim lark]

i think the funniest thing about this is that only like 2 enemies in the citadel could get to bro

[molten python]

Tormented Trobbio took me less time because I was already somewhat used to Trobbio's moveset.

[left rivet]

its smh really easy to just not move and wait for the smoke bombs to stop moving then move cuz that makes him much less chaotic

[sterile jacinth]

Fair. I just found base trobbio easier

[left rivet]

i died to trobbio once cuz i spent 15 min not hitting him and just trying to analyze HOW hes even generating the tornado in the first place

[mossy jackal]

||I never notices Phatom and Lace have the same pose cause thay are siblings||

[sterile jacinth]

I gotta respect my over dramatic kind of pathetic gay theater guy

[knotty wing]

No bug possesed by the cursed thread could live to see the performance! All of them died at the sight of Trobbio masterful play, so Trobbio with his kind hearth closed the door so the citadel dont lose more bugs

[covert night]

base trobbio is better fight imo. tormented trobbio bleeds my eyes

[sterile jacinth]

Music is better too imo

[left rivet]

ive settled on basically spinjutsu-estque: His wings emit glitter that can be repurposed into fireworks+spinning allows them to create a sort of windy glitter tornado: thus explaining why it blocks ur attacks

[left rivet]

ya trobbios music is pure heaven to a fellow piano player (i only know piano)

its very dramatic and ive heard it sounds like shostakovich. Ive never heard him but i know its romantic so its good

[molten python]

I want a Trobbio fight with more sparkles and fireworks.

[left rivet]

hes gotta make A LOT more wing glitter

and even more dramatic poses

[left rivet]

hes so zesty i love him

[sterile jacinth]

What if in like a dlc you could talk to him after and after finishing a quest for him you could get a red tool that made you spin like trobbio

[sterile jacinth]

Saaameee

[trim lark]

cant wait the godhome fight Shining Trobbio where he will try to kill YOU, yes YOU, by melting YOUR face off with the amount of the light coming out of the screen

[knotty wing]

By this point Trobbio could be related to radiance..

[covert night]

verdanian trobbio

[sterile jacinth]

He’s not a moth I don’t think

[trim lark]

thespian
idk what that means but yeah hes a thespian

[sterile jacinth]

That just means someone in theater lol

Like an actor

[trim lark]

if so ive got nothin for ya lmao

[sterile jacinth]

He is bug

[trim lark]

true

[sterile jacinth]

It’s ok trobbio we still love you

[trim lark]

maybe theatre kids are so crazy in the hk verse thespian is considered a whole new species

[sterile jacinth]

I wonder if we’ll meet more trobbios… like his race

[covert night]

ladybug from target practice game looks similar to him

[covert night]

they also mention an old tribe apparently

[left rivet]

hes a butterfly like marrissa. O no wonder why both are singers execpt one is better but the other is more funny and has the power to blast u with zestiness and flashbangs

[sterile jacinth]

I forgot about butterflies ngl

[left rivet]

no that guys a ladybug i just think their eye design is just for simplicity. prob a coincedence

[sterile jacinth]

He’s definitely a butterfly you’re right

[left rivet]

there only 2 i know who are sentient: trobbio and marissa idk if theirs anyone else

[edgy barn]

I think I know what happened to her tribe.

[robust wagon]

Weed trobbio

[sterile jacinth]

The citadel is cruel 😔

[covert night]

oh

[knotty wing]

Well it is for the good of growth!

And look positively their design can be used to cram souls of other bugs inside shells made in their image! Their sacrifice allow the citadel bugs to serve eternal!

[covert night]

but the gdp is growing

[knotty wing]

As weavers intended!

[lethal burrow]

how can you even see that second one in game?

[lethal burrow]

also OMG the citadel keeps getting worse somehow

[knotty wing]

It is the target in the minigame

[covert night]

i wonder which bug second sentinel is based from

[lethal burrow]

That's not what I asked, though

[knotty wing]

In the same place you meet the first one

[lethal burrow]

I know where they are what I don't get is how you think I'm asking for the location

[knotty wing]

Sorry, you can see it to the right of the guy you start the minigame with

[lethal burrow]

for me, they're always with their face hidden in their wings when the minigame is happeningx How do you get them to appear like that

you can answer the question or you can continue to be super condescending

while playing the game???

[silver spire]

im so glad i found this guy in act 3 so i could see him DEAD

i aint doing allat for a tool pouch upgrade

[lethal burrow]

i KNOW

You're not reading the words or they're not going in your head

[knotty wing]

They open up for a moment when changing positions

[lethal burrow]

why ever do you ask

well, I would appreciate in the future if you didn't all act like such a sort of.... well you were being dicks to be honest.

[half zenith]

Change of topic if nobody minds! The bell beast OST feels like it contains snippets of Hornet’s theme mixed throughout? Same violin, same key, similar tempo. Wonder what that symbolism means

[knotty wing]

I apologize for my answers i wrote impulsively and without much thought

[half zenith]

Perhaps that this is the battle that marks their friendship?

[silver spire]

woah, someone in hollow knight discord actually recognizing their mistakes and actually being a good person 😮

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[half zenith]

Anyway. I am going through the parts of the soundtrack I’ve heard so far because I like the soundtrack

[lethal burrow]

kino

[lethal burrow]

It is a tremendously good soundtrack. I have to agree.

[half zenith]

Forth Chorus OST feels so much more epic than it has any right to given that it’s a midboss, sure it’s a giant robot but. It literally just exists to teach you how to use the drifting cloak in combat

[sterile jacinth]

I’ve had one of the songs stuck in my head consistently for the past few weeks

[dawn gyro]

guys I just realized that the pure vessel literally uses rune rage, which is described in silksong as an ancient weaver technique so how tf does the pure vessel know how to use it but with soul instead of silk

[lethal burrow]

i PRAY for a version of the boss that doesn't only attack with one hand at a time

[half zenith]

Like that vocal chorus is only heard a few times in HK (outside of Godseeker)

[lethal burrow]

weavers helped a good amount with rune stuff

[covert night]

i think it's very fun for an early game boss

[half zenith]

And there’s something deeply unnatural about the animations of the robot itself. It’s way too fluid for the HK art style

[lethal burrow]

they helped with the seal of binding, so maybe they gave additional aid to the pale king

[sterile jacinth]

That’s because it’s tweened instead of frame by frame drawn

[dawn gyro]

oh thats true

[half zenith]

Really sells that there’s something off with the robot

[cunning shell]

Bro i just finished act 3 and now im stunned

[sterile jacinth]

we are one
we are many

[silver spire]

heres my list of overrated pieces and underrated pieces from silksong:

OVERRATED:

• Choral Chambers
• Cogwork Core
• Bone Bottom
• Red Maiden
  UNDERRATED:
• Nyleth
• Lost Verdania
• Songclave
• The Choir
• Dark Descent

[half zenith]

My turn to dip out I guess

[lethal burrow]

A fly throw goop at this guy now he's stunned

[sterile jacinth]

I wonder what your thoughts on whispering vaults is?

That’s one of my favorites

[covert night]

underrated list is soooo true but overrated list is sooo wrong

[silver spire]

whispering vaults serves it's purpose, its not exactly anything groundbreaking

[dawn gyro]

I think the only oens I disagree with are cogwork core (prolly bcs it one of my fav areas in general), and lowk thats abt it the rest of these I agree with

[silver spire]

cogwork core is such a nothing burger

[sterile jacinth]

I like it 😔

[cunning shell]

Watcha mean i did like 92% and beat act 3

[silver spire]

composition wise

[lethal burrow]

It's a joke because you said you were stunned

[sterile jacinth]

I also love the shellwood soundtrack

[silver spire]

NOT area wise, since area wise its amazing

[cunning shell]

Oh ok

Hueh

[silver spire]

but cogwork core and choral chambers both just have nothing going on in them in terms of composition

[cunning shell]

Bro last dive is gud

[silver spire]

now their in game counterparts are stunning visually

[lethal burrow]

bilewater has a perfect track

[lapis creek]

high halls is a very good track

[sterile jacinth]

Good songs don’t need to be entirely unique or groundbreaking

[covert night]

dark descent is so fire i didn't realise it in the game

[lapis creek]

bilewater has definitely grown on me and the track really fits the place

[silver spire]

last dive is actually insane, it's one of the only non boss tracks to be in my S tier along with enter pharloom and bilewater

[covert night]

best area soundtrack

[cunning shell]

Yep

[lapis creek]

nahh best area soundtrack is either lost verdania or something in the citadel

[cunning shell]

/"not lore" channel

[dawn gyro]

imo fourth chorus ost is underrated asf

[lapis creek]

like high halls or cog core

[sterile jacinth]

What do you want to talk about

[lethal burrow]

Choose a topic

[silver spire]

i just don't understand why people like cogwork core so much

[sterile jacinth]

Catchy

[silver spire]

like make this make sense to me compositionally, it has LITERALLY nothing going for it

[covert night]

i would put it on a tier

[silver spire]

so basically the reason of every pop listener out there

[lapis creek]

bait used to be believable

[dawn gyro]

why are there four of the 'chorus machines'? (3 of em are near the architect and one is the fourth that we fight

[sterile jacinth]

Pop isn’t bad…?

[silver spire]

not bad, just basic af

[sterile jacinth]

Yea I get where you’re coming from but popular doesn’t necessarily mean bad lol

[lethal burrow]

they didn't make any more

[sterile jacinth]

Cause they built more?

[covert night]

i'm not into music theory but the fact that every track uses dies irae is insane

[silver spire]

im specifically talking about the mainstream music thats formulaic and gets played on the radio a lot, or just really popular

[silver spire]

not EVERY track, but a lot of them do, and it's genius how its disguised in some tracks so well

[sterile jacinth]

Eh you’ve got your taste they’ve got theirs. It’s popular for a reason and no one is cooler for liking one thing or another

[dawn gyro]

dawg 3 different options all at once tf

[covert night]

dark descent inverts dies irae

[dawn gyro]

I got
a: they didnt make more
b: they could make more
c: they did make more

[lethal burrow]

People like it because it sounds good and it has a good driving force to its rhythm and the instrument used give it a certain vibe that's sort of unique

[sterile jacinth]

Didn’t know I had a badge next to my name I don’t know where that came from lol

[lethal burrow]

There's four because there's more than three and less than five

[covert night]

they can build it and they are sadistic murderers

[silver spire]

like larkin took the dies irae, and used diminution, augmentation, interpolation, fragmentation, sequenced it, truncated it, used real inversion and tonal inversion, did rhythmic mutation, and octave displacement

[timber pond]

What f Path of Pain In this game Is Instead Path of Pins

[dawn gyro]

nah id bet that the chorus machines were more like conastruction tools given how the attacks arent veryy 'attack like'

[silver spire]

basically EVERY SINGLE MOTIVIC VARIATION TECH POSSIBLE

[sterile jacinth]

Pinstress dlc…

[lapis creek]

dies irae is the thing in the menu theme right

well it's everywhere but you know what i mean

[dawn gyro]

I bet 60 marbles on that

[lapis creek]

i can definitely hear it in cog core

[timber pond]

Where its a super hard combat challenge instead of a super hard parkour challenge.

[sterile jacinth]

That’s all my rosaries…

[timber pond]

20 wave gauntlet

Path of Pins

[sterile jacinth]

I would die actually I think

[silver spire]

generally, we don't judge a composition by it's instrumentation choices so idk

maybe im judging it from the lens of a composer, but to each their own

[dawn gyro]

what I find interesting is that the pinstress uses threefold pins like the fat craws

so what if there was a craw pinstress

[silver spire]

it's just nothing interesting

[sterile jacinth]

They look like the things that the bilewater fuckers use

[lethal burrow]

we're not judging it's quality you just asked why people liked it.

And unique instrumentation is probably a factor in that that makes it stand out

[covert night]

underworks and the slab doesn't have dies irae. some video analysis said it's because citadel hid those places well

[knotty wing]

d: they couldn't make more

The ones in underworks are inactive and we see that the one we fight has lots of soul inside it so it is plausible that collecting enough soul for another one could take ages, or would result in a mass genocide

[dawn gyro]

those are wooden sticks with bile sacs on em, pretty different but a lil similar

[regal crow]

What’s the coral tower story?

[eternal sigil]

polyrhythms and interesting, striking variety of instrumentation

[silver spire]

you're right, no one is cooler. i'm just saying that it's all the same and very basic

[dawn gyro]

not to mention the machinwe that collects the souls in the whiteward is pretty sealed off

[sterile jacinth]

It’s interesting cause there’s also a dead pinstress in putrefied ducts

[dawn gyro]

sande

[dawn gyro]

she also has the wreath of purity

[sterile jacinth]

How far in the game are you

[eternal sigil]

a lot of the instruments used in it are otherwise unseen in the (generally very strings-dominated) OST of Skong

[sterile jacinth]

Thinking maybe they learned from her

[regal crow]

I just failed the tower climb for the tenth time

[sterile jacinth]

So act 3?

[timber pond]

Terracota Army

[lethal burrow]

karak was the last surviving of the old kingdoms to stand against the citadel.
Once the nation spanned across half of pharloom but now all that remains in any small sliver of that coral is the windy blasted steps and the dry drained sands.

[dawn gyro]

what if we could learn a dreamers melody for a dlc that lets us enter the dream world

[regal crow]

Wait, are they og cogwork soldiers?

[sterile jacinth]

A once proud race of coral warriors who’s lands began drying due to the citadels influence
They are nothing but husks now

[dawn gyro]

defenitely not cope for coral forest

[eternal sigil]

moreover the instrumentation reflects the environment very well, whereas High Halls sounds real pretty but doesn't really distinctly mirror the environment, and the Vaults' theme is just kind of there

[sterile jacinth]

I like vaults :) it’s very dramatic

[eternal sigil]

Skarr kingdom is technically still extant, just completely impotent

[dawn gyro]

technically its a tribe 🤓

[lethal burrow]

The game says that the sand people were the last ones

she meh

[eternal sigil]

has a warrior queen

[timber pond]

No lol. IM just saying They Are Basically like the terracota army IRL. They are probably the strongest clan in Hollow Knight for the sheer Diversity and power.

[dawn gyro]

tribes have leaders

[lethal burrow]

erm, where is she called a queen?

[eternal sigil]

who are traditionally known as chiefs

[regal crow]

Apparently not if the citadel kicked their asses

[dawn gyro]

journal entry I think

[silver spire]

variety of instrumentation, i counted just the average string ensemble + piano + some weird percussion.
also polyrhythms are used in every track dawg, this is nothing new 😭 unless you're talking about 3 2 or 3 4, in which case you'd be right, but it's so underused and at a point where it's so repetitions that most people wont bother with it before,
the track just repeats itself until the end where it still does, but in a bit less fashion.

my main gripe with the piece is that its harmony is just so basic, which makes sense for an area theme, but since i'm judging it as a composition, that's one of the worst offenders

[lethal burrow]

are you sure?

[eternal sigil]

Either shamans dialogue or the bestiary I am fairly sure but not completely certain

[dawn gyro]

shes the mother of all the skarrs tho so she could realistically be called whatever she wanted

[timber pond]

Thier water was cut off, HAve you seen the Suronding area? everything dried up

[lethal burrow]

🤨

[silver spire]

sure it matches up with the area, and if were judging it by that, you'd be absolutely right to call it great

[dawn gyro]

I can check rn

[sterile jacinth]

Credit to the Skarr where credit is due. They’re still alive

[silver spire]

but from this, i think we're judging by different criterion

[sterile jacinth]

Karak is dead

[regal crow]

Oh shit 0.o

Ya know, there is such thing as natural deserts

[dawn gyro]

watcher at the edge is the last living remain of it

[silver spire]

ants are hard to kill in this game as well 🥀

[sterile jacinth]

Exactly. Waiting for regrowth

[dawn gyro]

I think its mentioned somewhere tho that there was something that p[roved the sands were healing or smthn I just cant remember exactly where

[sterile jacinth]

Partially due to Karmelita who’s song helped them protect against gms

[lethal burrow]

if the others aren't dead, then why haven't they turned into coral

[sterile jacinth]

Idk where you got that but something similar happens with the green princes bodies

[timber pond]

Not in this case. Water Probably came from above naturally until the citadel was constructed. They were starved and its why the sands of Karakk and Blasted steps are Fuckin blaasted.

[eternal sigil]

of the three Harmony zones my favorite theme is High Halls and least favorite (by a significant margin) is Vaults'

[sterile jacinth]

They’re gray like dead coral. Plus you need to play your needolin to wake him up

[timber pond]

Watersiphoned on one sid, and poluted on the other

[dawn gyro]

ok I ngl dont have an explanation for that but I think being defeated in battle and dying are two different things ig

[covert night]

ripping out the hearts helps reheal the region

[eternal sigil]

there is nothing "whispering" or particularly archive-y/library-like about it

[dawn gyro]

the scrollreaders:

[eternal sigil]

the OST I am talking about

[sterile jacinth]

The huge library shelves in the backround

[dawn gyro]

ah

[sterile jacinth]

It’s very dramatic :)

It has like a weight to it I feel. Like this place feels important

Because of the music

[eternal sigil]

It is very dramatic yes, it just doesn't go anywhere

[lethal burrow]

my three favourite songs are probably bilewater crust king and phantom

[silver spire]

that pretty much describes all of the area themes

[sterile jacinth]

Phantoms theme is so good I love it

[eternal sigil]

Core has a pulse to it, building and quiet in alternation

[silver spire]

||THERE CALLED PIECES REEEEEEEEEEE||

[eternal sigil]

Vaults is constantly droning between the vocals and strings

[dawn gyro]

its very rythmic like cogwork and/or clockwork

[sterile jacinth]

I just like the songs cause they sound good I think

[lethal burrow]

my favourite original OST for the game is probably Phantom

[eternal sigil]

not High Halls or even Choral Chambers really,

[dawn gyro]

BY THE WAY CAN I JUST SAY THAT ITS SO DAMN ANNOYING WHEN PEOPLE CALL THE COGWORK DANCERS THE CLOCKWORK DANCERS RAAHUOLHLUIHYUIO

[silver spire]

so is cogwork core, its constantly droning on with that same ostinato on drums and repeated melody until the very end, and i dont think thats even heard in game

[lethal burrow]

AutoCorrect is probably doing a lot of work for that

[dawn gyro]

no like they just say it wrong

[dawn gyro]

vocally

[eternal sigil]

given your edge on the topic I presume you have cited statements as to the nature of regnal title held by the Skarrsinger?

[molten python]

Mine is Whiteward Psalm Cylinder.

[sterile jacinth]

Personally fond of putrefied ducts

[dawn gyro]

you scare me

[silver spire]

fair play for high halls, but for choral chambers it builds up in the beginning and sort of just stagnates. also by going somewhere, i'm judging by the harmonical progression and pacing, which is why im ranking all the area themes so low

[sterile jacinth]

I love the area themes lol

[eternal sigil]

it has some pulse, though it never builds super dramatically so as a whole it is subdued. I do disagree wholly about it being dramatic, at least in the volume sense (though it can be said to be dramatic in other sectors I suppose)

I have difficulty thinking of my feelings on the Skong soundtrack

[sterile jacinth]

Man I love the area themes

[dawn gyro]

song queen, not skarr queen 🤓 it could just be saying shes a queen at singing

[eternal sigil]

A lot of it is more ambient than the HK area themes, and there are some honest misses in the sense of just being almost completely forgettable

[sterile jacinth]

Some of them. I remember a lot of them bc they’re bangers

I think they do a good job for the area they’re in

[eternal sigil]

like I don't honestly like the Marrow theme much, it is very theatrical and pretty high effort but just

[lethal burrow]

Who only the wisest can tell...

[eternal sigil]

how many low choir/deep drumming area themes in a row do we need

[stuck loom]

In her dream nail dialogue she refers to the skarrs as her children

she might be a literal ant queen who birthed all of them

[molten python]

To be fair queen doesn't necessarily have to imply a literal kingdom.

[sterile jacinth]

Singing is a huge theme of the game

[lethal burrow]

ah but is a song queen the same as a regular queen

[molten python]

That sounds very unlikely.

[eternal sigil]

Far Fields is kind of dull but it at least fits the vibe beautifully. Place feels like a pulp prehistoric setting filtered through the lens of the world, that drum backing and the general quietude and low horns accentuate it brilliantly

[lethal burrow]

don't you guys think it's funny that bellhart has more bosses than greymoor

[sterile jacinth]

Don’t they have the same amount?

[molten python]

What does Bellhart have except the Widow?

[lethal burrow]

Father of the flame

[molten python]

Wisp Thicket is in Bellhart?

[lethal burrow]

no

[eternal sigil]

Greymoor has two, I think Bellhart has two technically

[sterile jacinth]

That’s in wisp thicket which is a different color and requires a different map

[lethal burrow]

just father of the flames boss room

[molten python]

How does Bellhart have more bosses then?

[dawn gyro]

ok so ik TECHNICALLY that is in bellhart

[molten python]

Oh.

[stuck loom]

not that crazy in my opinion, seeing as she is grouped in as an equal to Nyleth, who is explicitly said to have created all of shellwood

[lethal burrow]

Oh right, I guess crow father technically counts

[stuck loom]

Yoo no way that counts

[molten python]

But the game also explicitly states that Karmelita united the wild Skarr tribes in her youth.

[dawn gyro]

crawfather*

[lethal burrow]

Same colour on the map

[sterile jacinth]

It requires a different map

It’s also not accessible from bellhart

[stuck loom]

true but it's kind of a neutral statement, she could have created them AND united them

[silver spire]

imo the true winners of the soundtrack are:

enter pharloom - AMAZING orchestration, as a composer i strive to be able to orchestrate like that

Lace - no explanation needed here, it's a classicical string ensemble that has some of the best modulation and orchestration i've seen

widow - the harmony in this piece from a VGM standard is stunning, and that modulation in the released track to a half step up is genius

Nyleth - similar to enter pharloom, but it mirrors the other side of orchestration that is gorgeous both in its harmony and orchestration, and its pacing is also great

Phantom - Nothing to be said except it's almost like lace but reorchestrated and changed around. the harmony and orchestration are both exceptional

Trobbio - This has almost a concerto type feel with classical progressions

Bilewater - b e a u t i f u l

[dawn gyro]

fourth chorus should be up there smh

[lethal burrow]

It does not require a different map if you do not get the greymoor map the father of the flame boss room will be filled in if you have the bellhart one

[eternal sigil]

greymoor needed sniper crayfish enemies

[molten python]

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying that sounds very unlikely and to me the game seems to imply that she did not birth all the Skarr tribes.

[sterile jacinth]

I doubt father of the flame could be considered a bellhart boss

[lethal burrow]

What do you think of crust king?

[silver spire]

im just somewhat tempted to put it up there, but its not anything special

[sterile jacinth]

I think the only argument you could make is like a technicality on the map color

[glad osprey]

tbf ‘children’ can always be figurative. as a mother figure to all skarrs

[eternal sigil]

a bit surprised Lost Lace isn't here, the second part in particular is extremely memorable

[dawn gyro]

its one of the very few pieces that use a trumpet in the game tho

[sterile jacinth]

That’s how I read it

[silver spire]

it's actually a really GREAT piece, i might replace bilewater with it ngl

[glad osprey]

yeah same

[stuck loom]

Also her og title was "Hunter Queen" instead of "Skarrsinger" which is interesting

[left rivet]

k sslore back from my daily piano practice cuz im a "music grinder"

[glad osprey]

just wanted to point it out explicitly

[molten python]

Does the game explicitly say she "created" all of Shellwood?

[eternal sigil]

other than that my personal favorites is fairly similar, lacking lace but with LL, Chambers, and High Halls

[dawn gyro]

shes the seed that sprouted into shellwood

[covert night]

do you think it deserves the best score award? e33 soundtrack is also very good idk if you have listened to it

[silver spire]

ok but like, instrumentation doesn't factor into the criterion

[muted lantern]

my love for shakra increases the more i study her dialogue for the shakraisms list, im wondering if i should expand the list to any other characters that use made up words and try to figure out what they mean based on context similarly

[dawn gyro]

the choir track inside the piece also shifts from high to lower in the middle of the piece than high again

[left rivet]

Omg yes trobbio as an aggresively normal cm 10 piano player can say trobbio piano is amazing

[stuck loom]

"her who planted the first seed"

[left rivet]

I couldnt figure out the main piece by ear but i figured out the first 2 scale progressions by ear

[silver spire]

lost lace i considered, but at the end it's just not elevated to the same standard as the rest of these. the 1st part is kind of boring ish, 2nd is VERY dramatic and fun to listen to, but the other pieces kind of edge it out

[silver spire]

what did you practice

[left rivet]

stuff for cm 10

[silver spire]

i banged my head aginst the wall today trying to figure out allegro barbaro 😭

[muted lantern]

my favie tracks are lace and the cradles theme

[silver spire]

WHY BARTOK WHY

[left rivet]

it is fun practicing with my mom (aka a piano teacher so yippeee )

[eternal sigil]

I really like The Choir for the string underscore and the trumpets, though it is damn short

[molten python]

Where does it say that? I can't find it.

[dawn gyro]

it should be longer

[left rivet]

o dear i dont wanna know what crazy term that is 🙁

[lethal burrow]

OK, I'm not crazy right somebody else has to confirm that these two songs sound somewhat similar. I can't be the only one hearing it.

https://youtu.be/Jp8xVVwsfoc?si=P-PabdiB031sVmms

https://youtu.be/iy_AUYAyDFs?si=Ne6aL5iDjnaHgfm1

[silver spire]

bartoks a composer

[left rivet]

lemme check it out

[eternal sigil]

favorite single track is Choral Chambers

[dawn gyro]

choral chambers is mid imo

[left rivet]

i know but allegro barbaro sounds like a very interesting allegro

[silver spire]

its uhhhh a banger, but also insanely difficult

[left rivet]

but i respect ur opinion

[silver spire]

ive heard like 3 people play it well

[molten python]

It would be weird if she birthed all the ants, then she let her babies split up and form wild tribes, just to unite them again to serve her with her singing in her youth.

[silver spire]

this guy has a really good rendition -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCP2US7BaU

[left rivet]

what song lemme check it out ive played a single song by bartok before contemporary is i n t e r e s t i ng

[dawn gyro]

nice, I just find so many other songs better than chorla chambers since its just so simple to me

[eternal sigil]

Oh speaking of similarities in the OST

Listen to Haunted Foes from Godhome (boss theme for Broken Vessel/Lost Kin, No-Eyes). Then listen to Blasted Steps

[molten python]

Ruin Sentinel? Hornet reference?

[left rivet]

OOOO it was a song name

[eternal sigil]

Could be nuts but I hear shared chord progressions

[left rivet]

imo i understand ur point but its simplicity is actually cool it feels like a mini gusty garden galxay to me

but ya there are bangers better than it

u get used to it easily

[dawn gyro]

so it appeals to you thats great, it just doesnt appeal to me

[silver spire]

YES EXACTLY

[left rivet]

nice! wait what songs did u find bangers?

[molten python]

Which do you guys think has a better overall OST, Hollow Knight or Silksong?

[silver spire]

silksong by a large margin

[left rivet]

o.... i seem to overestimated choral chambers popularity... o well

[dawn gyro]

fourth chorus, cogwork core, phantom, the choir, plus a few others

[left rivet]

both r good, but i did hk with every single spoiler before playing

[covert night]

silksong and it's not close

[sterile jacinth]

I like choral chambers… it sounds haunting

[silver spire]

no its popular... among PLONKE- jk

[dawn gyro]

silksong easily

[left rivet]

yes phantom and cogwork are SOOO beautiful!!!

[stuck loom]

"wagyu ain't even all that"

[eternal sigil]

thoughts on La Campanella

[left rivet]

actually nvm i get the joke now

[dawn gyro]

its more like just a regular steak ngl, its good but in my taste preference theres so much that I prefer over it

[left rivet]

i havent learned it my band classmate in orch has

[silver spire]

it's great, but also WHY LIZST MUST YOU FORCE US TO PLAY TRILLS AND PHRASE IN THE SAME HAND

[dawn gyro]

thus it is 'mid' in my book

[sterile jacinth]

I think it fits the area it’s in very well. It’s beautiful and haunting and grand

[left rivet]

..... im scared.

[molten python]

Probably nostalgia bias, but HK OST makes me feel certain emotions. Dirtmouth is one of my favourites.

[silver spire]

deffo nostalgia lol

[eternal sigil]

There are a decent number of HK tracks I prefer to a decent number of Skong ones

[left rivet]

ya dirthmouth is cool but city of tears omg

[eternal sigil]

Dirtmouth, White Palace, City of Tears

[left rivet]

but now i cant get the violins playing annoyingly slow quarter triplets in the background of city of tears out of my head plz help it prevents me from listening the gorgeous melody....

[silver spire]

for reference, this is what im talking about 💀

[eternal sigil]

they are the cream of the cream but still

[molten python]

I will be always be biased towards Dirtmouth, I grew up in Dirtmouth.

[left rivet]

wait... U NEED TO PHRASE THAT

[silver spire]

of course, do you not see the voices

[eternal sigil]

Bone Bottom has a beautiful theme but it takes too dang long to get to the great parts

[left rivet]

....?????????????? theres multi-voicings!????

[eternal sigil]

If there was more to do in BB that wouldn't be an issue

But there isn't

[silver spire]

yea, theres the trills and then theres the motive in the lower part of the right hand

the left hand isnt that hard, but its still big leaps that require some care

which makes it ALL the more annoying to pay attention to the right hand

lizst and chopin were really beefing to see who could make piano students cry more

[molten python]

Hollow Knight Title Theme and Dirtmouth will forever be my favourites.

[left rivet]

ya... i just asked my mom she explained it. that looks.... like a masochists fun thing. but hey were ALL masochists if were playing ss and hk

so this might be jsut for us >:D

[sterile jacinth]

Don’t know why I picked up silksong. I’ve never played hk

[molten python]

I am not a masochist.

[silver spire]

heck nah, i already destroyed my arm once playing the easiest chopin etude

[molten python]

Have you finished Silksong?

[silver spire]

(no 5

no way in hell am i playing a lizst etude

[sterile jacinth]

Not quite. Stuck on skarrsinger Karmelita :P

[keen nebula]

cm 10?

[left rivet]

lol u should hk provides the foundation ss is very important to explain a big gap in it aka the weavers and the implication they knew void so helped pk make all the vessels

[sterile jacinth]

I think they mean it in a lighthearted manner

[left rivet]

ive seen my brother die too many times to her. no wonder why shes the GOAT

[sterile jacinth]

I plan on playing it after

[left rivet]

music thing:

[lapis creek]

huh

[left rivet]

wait did i say smh not lore accurate?

[molten python]

I would really recommend playing Hollow Knight. You can play Silksong first of course, there's no problem gameplay-wise. You just won't understand the true ending, or most of the lore.

[left rivet]

ya skarr

[sterile jacinth]

Oh I’ve seen lore videos lol

[left rivet]

oooooo

[sterile jacinth]

I just haven’t played the game

[left rivet]

ya that was me going into hk

[lapis creek]

idk i just didnt get the impression that they helped him with the vessel project beyond possibly providing the silk we see in the workshop

[left rivet]

o i didnt know pk had silk in his funni void mould workshop!

[lapis creek]

he seemed like he knew what he was doing and the void was right under his house

[left rivet]

ya

true

[lapis creek]

im going from memory i migth be making that up lemme find a picture

[edgy stone]

I think the dreamers were probably bound by the weavers

[keen nebula]

i know that, im just not into music performance, almost entirely composition instead, and have not seen that

[edgy stone]

It looks like itd be weaver magic

[left rivet]

ok composing is lowkey a really cool hobby i know so much theory but i cant compose at all

[lapis creek]

i swear theres silk somewhere

[molten python]

Red Memory hits different when you've actually explored those locations yourself.

[edgy stone]

The hidden station

[keen nebula]

you could always deconstruct it or might be able to reach out to christopher larkin or nathan cummins

[molten python]

My impression is that the Weavers helped with making the seals for THK.

[lapis creek]

it's in the back

[regal crow]

What’s the lore for watcher at the edge? Gotta be the last coral knight alive

[left rivet]

im sure u make bangers and i think thats awesome! Its always cool to see ppl make musical creations: so multifaceted and cool (like christopher larkin)

[lapis creek]

yeah i think they were involved with the seals somewhat

[arctic vapor]

What's the purpose of the citadel building the elevator up to lace and having pilgrims that have made it to the cogwork dancers learn the threefold melody? it seems like an impossible task for the average pilgrim to learn the melodies that have been kept secret anyways

[left rivet]

omg i never knew that!!!!

[sacred musk]

Aren't Hornet and Lace technically related

[lapis creek]

idk how their knowledge of the void would have contributed to anything vessel related but it seems like they had something to do with the project

[regal crow]

Distantly

[lapis creek]

besides their queen going to sleep

[molten python]

You can find a Seal of Binding in the Weaver's Den just like the one in Path of Pain. There's also the fact that THK and the First Sinner have very similar bindings.

[left rivet]

lol maybe the conductors wanted them to have a "fun" adventure

[edgy stone]

The entirety of the dreamer plan probably involved the weavers involvement

[regal crow]

What’s the lore for watcher at the edge? Gotta be the last coral knight alive

[edgy stone]

It mightve been a major reason why herrah was chosen to be one

[left rivet]

cuz the architecture doesnt look like weaver tech... i think

idk

[edgy stone]

It was a stragetic choice to get weaver magic as well

[silver spire]

i have deconstructed the beginning of enter pharloom, and what i found is literally something straight out of the depths of baroque/classical music

starts off with an ostinato in c minor on strings, before dropping to a major 2nd on d-c, and dropping the c down to the leading tone which implies a V-I cadence. BUT, INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, larkin DROPS IT DOWN AGAIN, before shifting back up to the tonic on the WEAK BEAT, GIVING THE PIECE ENOUGH MOMENTUM TO CARRY FORWARD

[left rivet]

maybe they were THAT smart

[silver spire]

it's such a genius play, and something i wish i had the instinct to come up with

[molten python]

I'm sorry but why do people talk about architecture like this?

[solemn spade]

Is grandmother silk weakening by the time hornet arrives in Pharloom. Idk if I just made this up or if there’s something in game to prove it but I got the impression that GMS couldn’t haunt Pharloom forever and would eventually run out of silk. This would also make sense why she’s really not hard at all for a boss. Is this said in the game at all or am I losing it.

[sacred musk]

how many generations is between hornet and grandma silk? I always assumed she was the great grandmother because Hera the Beast doesn't look like the full child of Grand Mother Silk, so I assumed it was a 2 to 3 generations difference

[regal crow]

No clue

[left rivet]

whoa wait ima hear that for myself

[keen nebula]

theory is like your starting place for composition, after that you just need to work on applying it and breaking the rules strategically to find sounds you like
but i still dont know what cm 10 is, looking it up revealed nothing

[arctic vapor]

Arent weavers not related by blood to grand mother silk because the first ones were evolved from common spiders

[molten python]

Grand Mother Silk. Not Grandmother Silk.

[silver spire]

NEVER think that, composing isn't some magical talent, anybody can

[molten python]

Nobody is related by blood to her.

[vital ruin]

Grandma silk

[silver spire]

but the rule of thumb is: LEARN THE RULES BEFORE YOU BREAK THEM

[molten python]

Her name confuses so many people.

[left rivet]

XD its like a level of piano playing till u finish the 10th level aka grade of playing (defined by judges) then after u get a certificate that goes on ur credentials and resume so its good for college apps

[silver spire]

also WIP ||(ik it sounds terrible thats cuz im using free sounds 🥀 )||

[left rivet]

i do it cuz benefits and it actually gives me pieces to learn and admire

[silver spire]

oh so like abrsm?

[vital ruin]

Her name could've been least confusing ngl
Maybe if it went like Matriarch Silk or something

[silver spire]

or wtv

[left rivet]

ya like abrsm but i dont take that idk why but i just dont

[lethal burrow]

what even is a choral?

Why is the h there? What's it doing?

[molten python]

I think it was intended to be like this.

[molten python]

Choral means relating to choirs.

[vital ruin]

I know it was just confusing at first

[lapis creek]

as in chambers of the choir

[left rivet]

that is really cool! sounds like chase or like "ESCAPE THIS CRUMBLING BUILDING" or as the name implies "the universe is ending on saturday" type stuff

[lethal burrow]

There is no such thing as the art gene, go for it and try your best

Sort of weird having that be right next to the coral place

[left rivet]

cool thx I could but i have more motivation to just perform but i def will... def someday! 😄

[lapis creek]

my headcanon is that a big part of the citadel is built on former coral land

[silver spire]

well uhh, some people have that natural talent (mozart im LOOKING AT YOU, STOP MAKING FART JOKES IN YOUR MUSIC)

[molten python]

It sucks that so many people believe that they can never be good at art because they just weren't born talented. You don't need talent to become a better artist, you need passion.

[lapis creek]

since khann apparently ruled half of pharloom

[eternal sigil]

do any of the songs have a fourth and fifth followed by a minor fall and a major lift

[lethal burrow]

"natural talent" is redundant since talent refers to being born with some ability

[left rivet]

lol ya the entire classical genre is full of talented ppl

[lapis creek]

and ofc they border blasted steps

[lethal burrow]

skill is the thing that's gained

[left rivet]

but tbf talented ppl doesnt mean they had actually decent lives (again... LOOKING AT MOAZART)

i mean my mom told me that mozart had a spending problem so he just died broke <:(

[lethal burrow]

well, I guess with music it's a little different since you can be born with like perfect pitch and stuff

And like true tone

[left rivet]

never heard of true tone 😮

[molten python]

Khann could have ruled over areas other than the coral land.

[silver spire]

what the crick is a true tone

[left rivet]

wait were

[lethal burrow]

probably hadn't heard of true tone because you don't have true tone so you can't hear it

[molten python]

It says "they and their order held half of Pharloom under hardened claw."

[lethal burrow]

Closely guarded by hardened old hands

[left rivet]

u know waht this reminded me of i saw a goofy short today that said "how bad were pharlooms old dictators" but only said good stuff about nyleth and karmelita but flamed khann, so ppl were like "so basically 2/3 of the dictators were good?"

[eternal sigil]

the Coral King composing alleluias

[keen nebula]

since we're sharing stuff here's something i made a while ago, and then orchestrated but the audio export of the orchestrated version is a .wav and too big

[lethal burrow]

people be like "khann is weak af no way he could've done that" well also completely forgetting that wars and battles aren't one on one confrontations and it's a lot of strategy and numbers involved as well.

[sterile jacinth]

Yea bro has a huge army

[left rivet]

ppl pointed out that crust king khann sounds like Chinngis Khan (Genghis Khan)

[sterile jacinth]

Also I think having control over coral like that would destroy a lot of enemies

You gotta remember we are playing a demigod

[left rivet]

sounds almost classical but also kinda romantic? dont be mad im not good at judging style

[lethal burrow]

crust King Kong

[eternal sigil]

do you reckon there is/was a Higher Being of coral

[silver spire]

the harmonies are sublime here, i do think that you could have done a bit more with your left hand since it seems kind of stagnant, but other than that the harmonical progression is gorgeous, albeit the pacing is a bit fast (by pacing i mean how fast the harmony shifts)

[left rivet]

maybe....

[lethal burrow]

I don't think every random material needs a higher being associated with it

[silver spire]

amazing piece though, i can deffo see how this can be orchestrated

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think I saw anything that would imply that

[eternal sigil]

perhaps, though coral is a very pervasive and unnatural-acting substance

[sterile jacinth]

It was just home to a warrior kingdom

[left rivet]

ya i really love the melody its very rich i have no comments cuz im dont know much improvements but im fine with left hand cuz like it feels like homophony, which isnt a prob

[sterile jacinth]

That dried up due to pharlooms haunting

[regal crow]

If all the coral people were killed, why’s the watcher still alive? Is it the void?

[silver spire]

it does have that homophonic texture, but with this piece there is potential for more interesting counterpoint

[left rivet]

no i think maybe mnemoid material?

[regal crow]

What?

[left rivet]

ya i see ur point

[sterile jacinth]

They’re dried up like dead coral. They’re also right on the edge of Pharloom. You need the needolin to wake them so I think they just weren’t discovered

[lethal burrow]

I feel like you could just tack on "is it the void?" to the end of any sentence ever said in this channel and it would make it funnier.

[left rivet]

u know on mount fay there are those crystal bugs

[lapis creek]

khann is one of the old hearts he's close enough

can basically manipulate the stuff right

[regal crow]

Yeah

[sterile jacinth]

Karmelita and the green princes were not higher beings

[regal crow]

I’ve seen thread bring bugs back to life

[left rivet]

the crystal bugs are mnemoids: the watcher looks like that crystal and the way he dies looks like a mnemoid breaking down... dont take my word tho idk

[lament jackal]

DID YOU KNOW it's called silk song because it's manly about hornet and silk 🤯

[sterile jacinth]

I thought it was like coral? Like you see in the memory tower

[regal crow]

So not really a one of the coral people, just looks like one

[sterile jacinth]

I think you’re just waking it up. It’s purpose is to watch and wait for the kingdom to regrow

[molten python]

His powers are weak in one-on-one battles, but they would absolutely demolish armies in war.

[lethal burrow]

"why does harrah looks so different from the rest of the Weavers, is it the void?"

"why is hornet racist towards the flies, is it the void?"

[lethal burrow]

The watcher was just hibernating. He probably didn't die because he wasn't near where everyone else died. He was far away, relatively speaking.

[sterile jacinth]

Yea my theory

[regal crow]

Ah

[left rivet]

OOOO that makes more sense maybe a construct made of coral??? and maybe soul

[regal crow]

Maybe I shoulda rephrased that. I meant the black thread

[left rivet]

ya

[sterile jacinth]

They just look like a dried out version of the other warriors. So I doubt they’re a construct

[left rivet]

just think of the gauntlets!!!!

[sterile jacinth]

When coral dries out it turns gray

[keen nebula]

i think pacing was my biggest issue with this, as i did the composition itself over a two week break so i kind of just threw out whatever ideas i had. i do think the orchestrated version is one of the best things ive made within the past year
and i realized i forgot to give feedback on your piece, so i'll say that i feel like it starts off a little too chromatic and intense, i feel like there could have been more of a build up once you get into the upper brass stabs, which are also generally a little too overpowering once you get a melody in there, especially with the awkward chromatic shift into the last part, which i think will sound really nice when expanded

[lethal burrow]

I know, I'm not making fun of you. I just think it's funny.

[regal crow]

God I’m so behind in the lore. Act 3 completely mindscrewed me with lore

[left rivet]

ya that explains it

[left rivet]

dw its rather intertwined and requiers some hk background info with where weavers ran off to

[lethal burrow]

You may not be as far behind as you realize

But ask all sorts of questions. It's fun to answer them.

[mint stratus]

Honestly I’d assumed they just had so strong a will that their souls stayed with their duty even if their body no longer breathed

[sterile jacinth]

Yea I think they’re waiting

[lethal burrow]

EW FEXTRA burn it with fire

[sterile jacinth]

I think they were meant to like try to regrow Karak?

[lethal burrow]

do people still not know about the real wiki yet?

[sterile jacinth]

I just wanted the text for the momento without opening the game man idk

[jaunty elm]

bird secret society was not on my silksong bingo card

[mint stratus]

Oh maybe now that they’re dead what’s left might try to regrow? Like the verdania clovers with the princes

[muted lantern]

Whos the cooler society, skarr or coral gamers

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t know. I read it as kind of a last ditch attempt. Like they just kinda threw shit at the wall and didn’t know if it would work

[sterile jacinth]

I think you know my answer

[silver spire]

the piece is deffo a work in progress, and it's mainly there to experiment with going out there in terms of harmony. i considered going for a buildup, but the intensity was just a personal choice that i might change if needed. the chromatic shift into the low brass deffo needs to be improved, im just not sure how so ill just need to experiment. as for the fanfare, uhhhh, yea that needs to be smoothed over

also, throwing ideas out is so real, thats quite literally what i do when im bored

[muted lantern]

I may have a guess

[sterile jacinth]

Maybe

[silver spire]

the flower powers fr fr

[muted lantern]

i like skarr because of the tiny ant guys in hunters march, its so funny taht theres also just regular ants

that carry away bodies and loot

[sterile jacinth]

Accurate

[vocal tulip]

Quick question, what’s up with weavenest cindril? Is the rune for something in act 3?

[lethal burrow]

skarr are racist so

[silver spire]

why is lord fool up there, he's freaking DEAD 😭

[muted lantern]

how so?

[sterile jacinth]

Everyone is racist basically

[covert night]

groal is right tho we all should hate the citadel

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah those poor mottled Skarr lol

[mint stratus]

THE GREAT BURNING ONE LOOKS COOL AS HELL AND THATS HIS ONLY JOB

[muted lantern]

is the mottling a race thing or just a illness?

[covert night]

bed of chaos ahh boss

[left rivet]

k goodbye yall ima do some stuff and play games bye yall! nice discussing the joys of music with yall 😄

[random aspen]

despite being dead his colosseum is thriving even though its in the middle of hallownest

[sterile jacinth]

Just because he’s been hurt doesn’t mean he isn’t hurting others

[random aspen]

i forgot vespa i'd put her in good

also herrah in good too

[left rivet]

true they smh have a worse economy than hallownest and even class inequality 🙁

[gloomy heart]

thats why you should hate both lol

[silver spire]

its called mask mind control, ofc theyre gonna be orderly if theyre drugged 😄

[jaunty elm]

is grim and the nightmare heart thaaat bad

[left rivet]

groal is right, but that doesnt mean groals way of hating them is right

[mint stratus]

How dare troop leader mooshka not be s tier

[dawn gyro]

imo father of the flame istn really a ruler he just exists as the course of all the fire that the fire crazed bugs worship, and groal isnt really a bad ruler to his people if you think abt it, the pollution was from the citadel and the weavers so thats why the entire area is against you specifically awnd why theres tarps everywhere

[sterile jacinth]

Yesss
Cycle of violence

[random aspen]

thats what nightmare heart does

[lethal burrow]

groal being this low when mantis existed in a might makes right society and ants were racist and the pale king had the thing with the maggots is CRAZY

[lethal burrow]

the mottled ones are killed

[gloomy heart]

im not gonna lie i barely even know wtf fotf is lore wise

[random aspen]

nightmare heart possesses mfs with the masks

[sterile jacinth]

Yea firebugs are some kind of weird cult who kill themselves once you defeat fof

[covert tusk]

Just realized there’s only like, one hot spring in Pharloom, and it’s in the Citadel
Vs them being public access and spread out across Hallownest

[gloomy heart]

there is also kratt lol but yeah

[silver spire]

kratt and bellhome have one

[dawn gyro]

his becomes inaccesable in flea fest

[gloomy heart]

only like large scale hot spring

[sterile jacinth]

They’re all artificial

[jaunty elm]

crawfather after giving his homies the "absolved of all crimes now and forever" pardon

[gloomy heart]

ig true but its still there technically

[mint stratus]

Respectfully, kratt can burn in hell

[dawn gyro]

I wouldnt count it since mechanically it is gone

[gloomy heart]

i agree lol

[covert tusk]

Oh yeah I forgot
Well Kratt isn’t permanent and the one in our house has to be installed, and in private property too

[gloomy heart]

we more taking about lore than anything i see no reason the spa wouldn’t still exist

[dawn gyro]

true

[muted lantern]

do you just mean the merchant? i assumed hes just murked because he's not haunted?

or is there some other text that says that

[random aspen]

disrespectfully

[lethal burrow]

vitiligo maybe?

[mint stratus]

How dare you imply I meant to be polite to kratt

[sterile jacinth]

There are 3 mottled Skarr. The merchant, one that upgrades the curved claw, and Gurr the outcast. All three are hidden and are implied to be hostile towards regular Skarr

[covert tusk]

Kratt’s so funny I’m P sure even Mooshka’s like “yeah idk who this guy is he just kinda is here I guess” iirc the dialogue right

[random aspen]

i saved his ass thinking he was a vendor just for a creepy ass npc that does literally nothing who tf uses the hotspring shit

[covert tusk]

Vs Vog who’s welcomed like an old friend lmao

[muted lantern]

someone once had this debate and brought up the skarr merchant is sick, which his needolin dialogue seems to imply?

[gloomy heart]

He even says kratt gives him the creeps

[lethal burrow]

Yeah, but the other two aren't visibly shown to be sick

[keen nebula]

pretty sure you can make kratt's permanent, and besides it fits with the theme that pharloom's hot springs are only for the rich

[sterile jacinth]

Their needolin dialogue says something like “we aren’t different” or smth

[mint stratus]

Mooshka gets bad vibes from kratt but he doesn’t wanna kick him out off that alone

[gloomy heart]

Tbf given she’s the only one who can do combat it makes sense

[lethal burrow]

The red one that upgrades your boomerang says like "we are not cursed"

[gloomy heart]

I wonder what would happen if hornet told mooska about the “incident” lol

[muted lantern]

yeah, vitiligo is a certainly a possibilty, but to call the skarr racist is unfair imo, considering the skarr are all haunted and the mottle have the unique trait of not getting haunted, so it seems like they are killed for not being haunted

or are the skarr not haunted?

[dawn gyro]

gurr just wants your head on a platter

[sterile jacinth]

Haunting doesn’t have any other physical thing for any other big. I think it might just be cosmetic and the Skarr are kinda… racist?

[random aspen]

used for flea juggle without a helmet

[covert tusk]

Yeah that’s what I was trynna point out, hot springs are a rare and luxurious commodity in Pharloom (the only reason Kratt’s is cheap is cuz he wants to ogle at us), and in Hallownest they’re just everywhere for anyone (even if some are more decorated than others like the city of tears one)

[gloomy heart]

LMAO

[mint stratus]

I would pay to see that 😆

[lethal burrow]

ants invented war so I wouldn't put it past them

[muted lantern]

oh i just mean it seems the mottled are immune or resistant to the haunting, due to us never seeing a haunted mottled

[sterile jacinth]

I imagine the Skarr aren’t fond of imperfections and that’s how they see the mottled Skarr

[covert tusk]

Kinda funny how Hornet doesn’t tell Mooshka about Kratt looking at her

Because she’d rather threaten him herself and then beat the shit out of him cuz she’s based

[muted lantern]

but the normal skarr are haunted no?

[gloomy heart]

Would also explain why karmelita is tucked away in a random ass corner and seems to have lost all power over the skarr when we find her

[molten python]

i am not tweaking

[sterile jacinth]

Yea

[muted lantern]

ij've seen this pointed out lol

[lethal burrow]

it seems that way.

[dawn gyro]

grimm also uses reaper crest type atacks

[covert tusk]

Wdym the skarr are racist 😭

[lethal burrow]

Given that when you make them sing, you can see strings attached to them

[lyric rose]

Best not to discomfort the other fleas

[molten python]

the people are noticing

[mint stratus]

They might be trying to cull any potential disease or genetic recessive trait?

[muted lantern]

so i think it makes more sense that the haunted skarr are just killing the unhaunted skarr which the mottled seem to be immune

[molten python]

team cherry thought they could hide the fact that they ripped of hornet's design from hollow knight

[sterile jacinth]

More like they don’t like mottled Skarr. I think they’re not very lenient towards imperfection

[gloomy heart]

i was gonna bring up as a joke the idea that grim is a weaver with a mask to possess them but the similarities are legit kinda crazy

[random aspen]

i feel like the mottled dudes only started existing when karmelita became depressed and miserable

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t know. Could be. Gurr is huge and he’s still alive

[dawn gyro]

eva says that crests are a sort of imprint of soul so this implies that crests arent limited to exclusive bugs (the knight has the wanderes crest, grimm has the reaper crest, etc)

[gloomy heart]

For the record i dont believe this to be true but still interesting

[dawn gyro]

and weavers seem to have a unique ability to change crest

[mint stratus]

To be fair something is clearly wrong with Gurr, but I get what you mean

[dawn gyro]

atleast hornet does

[sterile jacinth]

I think it’s stigma dialed up to the extreme

[sterile jacinth]

I think I would be kinda mad if my tribe outcast me ngl

[random aspen]

whens hornet gonna do this btw

[molten python]

Just Hornet.

[covert tusk]

Ouhhhhhhh
Actually yeah what are mottled skarr anyways, like is it just a skin thing or is it actually like, a disability??

[gloomy heart]

puffer’s cloak

[mint stratus]

Can’t believe you haven’t unlocked act 4’s pufferfish tool 😔

[dawn gyro]

we alr have hornet inflation in the drifters cloak

[sterile jacinth]

It’s not clear. I think it’s like vitiligo but it could be like an infection

[gloomy heart]

also i just noticed the knight is fucking dead in this picture LMAO

[mint stratus]

This ain’t about them

[covert tusk]

The idea they were chill with Gurr but he just randomly decided to start fucking killing them cuz he was bored is hysterical

[gloomy heart]

he did kill the one ant enemy you only see in the karmelita prefight arena