sk-lore

[hazy meadow]

or does her wyrm lineage mess with it enough

[stuck berry]

probably, it's curious because pale king was mega fertile if the abundance of child corpses were anything to go by

[fathom hill]

I mean giving her response to the betrayal was to make children of only silk to be able to control them more easily, id say she isnt dumb enough to trip on the same stone twice

[mint stratus]

I don’t think so, considering how she talks to the parasite when you try to enter her room when cursed

[fathom hill]

im bsing abt the control more easily bit but it came up to me as i was writing that, could very much be

[hazy meadow]

i think that also means that her silk creations would be entirely reliant on her

for. well. silk. yk?

[fathom hill]

yeah that too

[craggy smelt]

yes, she says she's a victim of the curse

[shadow shale]

Also I wonder if Herrah ever thought creating a half pale being weaver could lead to Pharloom to be free of its curse

[fathom hill]

yeah, she "knows the curse well" our girl gets around

[hazy meadow]

i swear it says somewhere that phantom and lace boh need silk to survive

[mint stratus]

Oh I fully assumed she was just talking about her own birth compared to her own ability to have kids

[stuck berry]

given pale beings have a propensity to try and become gods i'm not so sure

[hazy meadow]

HORNET DID IT CANON WE STAY WINNING

im joking sorry that made me chuckle

[stuck berry]

have you read the great conchfly journal entry

[hazy meadow]

yeah

[stuck berry]

yeah

[hazy meadow]

i assumed she mightve had mates but didnt. mate. yk

[shadow shale]

They are both piles of silk given life by GMS phantom is the failed experiment that GMS is ashamed to look at and Lace is the perfect golden child

[fathom hill]

Yes, the weavers were indeed planning on it, thats why the stone weavers give you their power but im guessing it wasnt Herrahs idea, rather the other ones.

We know that some weavers only wanted to flee and start anew, thats why Herrah also tells Hornet to not listen to them and to do what she decides

baby

[stuck berry]

we finally got a canon baby hornet design

[hazy meadow]

child of hallownest, born of weaver and wyrm, a force to be reckoned with (i think i said that right)

[craggy smelt]

nope, she mentions she's the spawn of one who overcame its limits (Herrah), but she herself is a victim of it
so yeah, Hornet's tried and failed to have kids of her own

[hazy meadow]

:(

poor hornat... no weaverlings for her

[shadow shale]

I thought that was about “prove yourself more weaver than wyrm” telling her daughter she can be both and not be ashamed

[fathom hill]

So the other weavers may have coaxed Herrah to have the child that will liberate them from GMS

[stuck berry]

her sons cog and fly are suitable replacements

[mint stratus]

Would she be able to with another higher being? Like Herrah did

[craggy smelt]

who knows...

[fathom hill]

that is said by the weavers, not herrah

[shadow shale]

I know reread what I said

[hazy meadow]

and being a grandmammy to the beastlings

[fathom hill]

Id say both are independent instances, but yeah could be, though the meaning would be the same, she is letting Hornet decide

[hazy meadow]

also, sorry just

THE BEASTLINGS............. <3

[stuck berry]

my sons be ll bea and st

[craggy smelt]

ha hahh, belle and beast, like the story

[hazy meadow]

bea, el, bea, seet

[stuck berry]

kid named seet

[fathom hill]

honestly not that different haha, tiny hornet is indeed tiny

and hornet still

[shadow shale]

The thing that confuses me is when in the timeline did the citadel go from being run by GMS from being a trap from the weavers to keep GMS in a slumber as long as possible

[hazy meadow]

is tiny

[mint stratus]

Are weaverlings from the charm considered the fleeting life made by silk that hornet mentioned?

[fathom hill]

yep

[hazy meadow]

me too im tryna figure that out

[stuck berry]

i don't see why they wouldn't be

[lethal burrow]

if the mask maker was to be believed then the citadel was purpose made to bind the mother

[craggy smelt]

tiny, transient, woven of silk... they fit the bill

[fathom hill]

also connection to hornet enough so she would know abt it

[hazy meadow]

also do you think, the mask makers are just, beings

[fathom hill]

cuz well weaver

[hazy meadow]

not normal bugs but not. higher beings. just. strange anomalies in a sense

[lethal burrow]

like phantom.

who hornet also say before lace 2

[lethal burrow]

Their unionized

[fathom hill]

unionized? in my capitalist pharloom?

[stuck berry]

then and the shroom

[craggy smelt]

phantom's pretty small ig
but yeah, she's comparing the silkborn to things like the weaverlings as a far more incredible example of the principle

[hazy meadow]

we dont talk about hte shroom

[mint stratus]

They seem to have made a contract with a higher power? Maybe in a similar vein to the vassal in silksongs steel soul

[fathom hill]

im sure the herald is a higher being

or at least worshipped i dont remember the exact quote

[craggy smelt]

some entities aren't necessarily higher beings, but are very strange and knowledgeable
Mask Makers, Bardoon, maybe the Steel Masters, etc.

[shadow shale]

That’s the thing though the citadel was created before the weavers realized GMS was evil First Sinner was imprinsoned after the creation of the citadel and she was the first to defect. This means the citadel was originally a place of worship for GMS which makes sense pale beings have been established further to instinctually crave worship. This implies at some point the citadel become a trap to keep GMS asleep was later on because the weavers made that trap after they realized her true nature

[mint stratus]

I wonder if higher being is a much looser term than we’re led to believe, considering some higher beings seem to shine bright with soul, while others like the mr mushroom seem very other

[shadow shale]

The question for me is when did that switch happen

[stuck berry]

i feel hornet would refer to him as such if that were the case. most higher beings have bugs who follow them lr a large territory or something and the shroom lacks both

[spark valve]

the citadel didn't become a trap that's what it was created as

[fathom hill]

yeah but hornet is also half higher being and she seems to know him so could be that that conversation just didnt happen in ss but before

Remind you she also speaks shroom so someone must have taught her me think

[shadow shale]

I really don’t believe that to be true why would the weavers create a trap before they realized their creator was evil.

[fathom hill]

The shroom tribe does worship him lemme find the lore tablet thingy

[spark valve]

they didn't

[regal crow]

Are lace, Knight and hornet technically demigods?

[spark valve]

they wanted to be free so they made the trap

[fathom hill]

lace no, the knight and hornet yeah

[shadow shale]

Then why was the first weaver to defect against GMS in a citadel prison

[dire sinew]

what purpose could clawmaidens serve?? did other weavers try to "revolt" in the past?

[fathom hill]

half a bug, half a god

[spark valve]

she was saying shit that was bad for the weavers too they have plenty of motivation to lock her up

[stuck berry]

scientifically lace isn't gms's child moreso her creation

[regal crow]

Yeah, they’re free, and burned the whole world with it

So the caretaker knew what would happen?

[lethal burrow]

That’s the thing though

"the citadel was created before the weavers realized GMS was evil"

1. in what way is she even evil?
2. What says the city that was created before that?

"First Sinner was imprinsoned after the creation of the citadel and she was the first to defect."

1. Implying she was imprisoned by grand silk? As opposed to the Weavers? hm...

"This means the citadel was originally a place of worship for GMS"

1. I don't see how it means that.

[mint stratus]

I like to imagine the first sinner happened, and gms tried to majorly over correct. To the point of driving her children to defection

[stuck berry]

so true you had to say it twice

[dire sinew]

and if this story is a big anti-capitalistic metaphor, what exactly is hornet supposed to be

[shadow shale]

First sinners sin was about her defecting from GMS “she called us her daughters she lied”

[spark valve]

first sinner was probably locked up by weavers not gms herself

[regal crow]

The hero of the story

[craggy smelt]

wheat
their needolin dialogue seem like the words of Silk herself, they might be her literal direct puppets

[spark valve]

she called us daughters and that she said they were divine

[stuck berry]

the revolutionary figure who rises against the proletariat gms and rallies the working class pilgrim to fix the system

[fathom hill]

lmao

[dire sinew]

i didnt know needolin dialogue was a thing until 10 minutes ago

[craggy smelt]

well, enjoy
its a bit easier to tags enemies with than the dreamnail
(or just read the wiki)

[lethal burrow]

perhaps they put her to sleep through other methods and only built it to keep her asleep?

[shadow shale]

Exactly she sinned because she learned the truth about the weavers they are just an evolved form of pharlids. She was mad at GMS for lying about the weavers and realized GMS only saw them as pawns for silk.

[regal crow]

Play for Sherma and the talking statue. They got fun little songs. Sherma’s changes depending on where he is

[lethal burrow]

hornet regards herself as a higher being at least

[mint stratus]

You can tell if somethings or someone has needolin dialogue by them

1. Being alive
   Or
2. Theres shiny spiderwebs around the room

[lethal burrow]

maybe the Weavers imprisoned her

[spark valve]

her continuing to proclaim the weavers' divinity as false would be a problem for them after building the citadel which is why she was then imprisoned

[dire sinew]

i must've missed so much like important lore stuff from the needolin's lack of description (or my lack of reading comprehension) 😔

[regal crow]

My fave is in whiteward. He’s scared shitless and his music lyrics reflect that

[craggy smelt]

the life in the Abyss doesn't respond to it
because ooooo spooky

[shadow shale]

Because void doesn’t have thoughts

Void can be imprinted with thoughts

[lethal burrow]

You're making a lot of assumptions I cannot see the origin of

[shadow shale]

But it doesn’t have thoughts on its own

[fathom hill]

Spawn of self their minds unite. Master herald he who would signal an ages end

[hazy meadow]

HEY QUESTION

[craggy smelt]

none that can be perceived normally, at any rate
as if there was... no mind to think!

[stuck berry]

not worship they seem to just like him as you would a prophet

[hazy meadow]

i just came to a realization, all weavers are female and its near impossible to concieve of a child

[fathom hill]

spawn of self though no?

Are they all their children or something

[hazy meadow]

so was hornet destened to be a girl?

[fathom hill]

Could be

[craggy smelt]

yeah, presumably this means they came from him

[hazy meadow]

imagine if hornet was a dude....

weaver bloodline slightly less doomed

[stuck berry]

i don't know what that could mean so i guess

[lethal burrow]

indeed, the pale king saw a canvas left blank for many ages of the world and wrongly assumed it was a trait of the canvas that it could not be painted as opposed to a trait of the painters that they wished to see it blank.

[mint stratus]

Might still have reproductive issues :/

[lethal burrow]

Reaper abduction, even

[hazy meadow]

hENCE THE SLIGHTLY.

[shadow shale]

Ok the Pharlid thing is straight up the cutscene after beating you you see a bunch of pharlids and one goes on screen then grows into the first sinner. “She called us her daughters she called us divine she lied”. The scene is showing the weavers were just evolved pharlids that GMS played a part in granting their higher thought. They were not directly her kin just evolved spiders. That’s exactly what the first sinner cutscene is trying to tell us about the weavers and their relationship with GMS.

[craggy smelt]

uh... yeah, I think I agree with that? mostly?

[fathom hill]

Also im sure that in more out of game thing, he is supposed to be team cherry, like the dev rooms in most videogames. so hes definitely not from here id guess

[regal crow]

In act 3, why’s sherma wearing white? He looks like lace

[fathom hill]

Its a lil theory, but if team cherry were to make a game that is not in the hollow knight universe, im sure the herald would be there somehow

Though we obviously dunno know that yet

[lethal burrow]

i'm not arguing against that.

but where the heck did you get the pawns for silk part?

[fathom hill]

He took the caretakers clothes

[mint stratus]

Priest dude gave him his clothes then dipped

[craggy smelt]

i totally expect this to happen
Mr. Mushroom will transcend all franchises
Across the Cherryverse

[fathom hill]

Sherma looks great in white though ill give him that

[regal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/yolo-you-only-live-once-run-underwear-streaker-gif-3556898

[craggy smelt]

the caretaker running all the way to moss chapel

[stuck berry]

he knows about hungry knight so this is a given

[fathom hill]

also another game team cherry made, about a cat something? dont remember the name

[stuck berry]

tomb cat

[fathom hill]

yah

[shadow shale]

That’s said from several cutscenes of answering the question why did the weavers flee? what did they gain by doing that? Why does leaving hinder GMS? Why does GMS use haunted bug to bring back weavers? And let’s go back to the very beginning of the game when Hornet meets the Seamstress. You learn “Hornet was captured because of the endless supply of silk made within her shell.”

[stuck berry]

when will mister mushroom speak on ugly jesus vs the mummy

[fathom hill]

dlc

dlc believe

[spark valve]

by fleeing they can achieve freedom

[shadow shale]

Yes but why does GMS care?

[spark valve]

(or at least that was the goal)

[mint stratus]

Does anyone have any more information on the bird creature on top of the mountain, read the weaver tablet but I want to know more about the most fluffiest perfect being

[shadow shale]

Why do they need to escape her?

Why does GMS want them back?

[craggy smelt]

it's called the Fayforn

[stuck berry]

i wonder why most higher beings aren't very proactive

[shadow shale]

The answer is their silk

[fathom hill]

retaliation? she is consuming the weavers

[lethal burrow]

OK, let's break this down.

WHY do you think grandmother silk wants hornets silk?

[spark valve]

they want freedom
gms wants them back to reclaim their power

[fathom hill]

you were in the middle of asnwering mb

[lethal burrow]

two ideas

1. To be free.
2. silk supply for lace

I don't know which is true, but those are my two that I can think of that are good

[shadow shale]

I personally think it’s 2 Lace seems to become the only thing she cares about anymore to the point she didn’t care she fell in the void she only cared Lace did

[lethal burrow]

but the problem: lace didn't exist when the Weavers were made so grandmother silk couldn't have made them only to use their silk for lace

[craggy smelt]

i don't know about this, but I'm not sure GMS can actually produce silk while bound?
I think this is why there's silk harvesting/recycling going on, and why she wants the Weavers
she needs more to spread the Haunting and build her strength, but I'm not sure she can use her own

[lethal burrow]

This is the flaw I find in your earlier words

[stuck berry]

unn chills in a pool the nightmare heart has bugs do it's bidding we don't know what lifeblood guy does the radiance just spreads her infection and silk has haunted bugs do her bidding while she sleeps, the only ones who seem to do anything proactive are white lady and pale king and PK had to become like a normal bug to make his kingdom as if he couldn't in his wyrm form

[mint stratus]

Thank you, would die for the bird
It would probably gladly eat me BUT ITS SO FLUFFY ✨

[lethal burrow]

The ones that are proactive tend to get eaten by the void

[fathom hill]

lets remember that gms is neglecting or ignoring lace in a way, given how she wants her to see her

its like those parents that wont give you the time of day but suddenly care when you're in danger

[stuck berry]

radiance was a bitch we don't talk about her

[fathom hill]

so i wouldnt say that gms got lace as a first priority, until the void was a direct danger

[stuck berry]

and GMS was only active in the plot because of hornet challenging her and the snare

[shadow shale]

GMS seemed to be experimenting with silk for a long time and never saw the weavers truly as her daughters I personally believe she always was using the weavers silk to have enough silk to maintain her silk beings like clawmaidens

[lethal burrow]

idk it's hard to blame her for neglect when she's bound how she is

[shadow shale]

lace just ended being her magnum opus her perfect daughter

[hazy meadow]

hey yknow the uh, pentient things in the slab??
are they weavers? (the orders i mean, not the actual enemies)

[lethal burrow]

that seems out of character to me

[stuck berry]

silksong is about the golden star child daughter hollow knight is about the useless failure chud son

[tiny socket]

From the gms dialogue in the silk hearts, it seems that she wants hornet to survive the ascent to then harvest her as a silk battery for lace to survive

[mint stratus]

Maybe gms also had reproductive issues? She seems to want children super bad

[lethal burrow]

Let's not forget all the brought part-Weaver's add up to one full Weaver

[stuck berry]

they're just bugs who the citadel things wrong them. old penitent might be a conductor

[mint stratus]

How dare you call zote a failure

[stuck berry]

not him the other one

[mint stratus]

Oh the pathetic grub

[tiny socket]

Tiso?

[lethal burrow]

sufa?

[stuck berry]

the hollow knight

[mint stratus]

The one in the egg?

[fathom hill]

im sure since she isnt a fully awokened higher being that could be why. I always interpreted the reproduction problems with the fact that the weavers are mutilated bugs

[craggy smelt]

if they're Weaver orders, they still seem to have come through the Citadel - its all about penitence and absolution and what not

[hazy meadow]

okay. so only the first sinner is a weaver
none of the other "pentient twelveth of twelveth" n whatnot

[fathom hill]

but yeah could be both reasons why

[tiny socket]

As in, THE hollow knight, the boss from the hit indie game, hollow knight

[stuck berry]

the one who failed to properly contain the infection yes

it's like i'm talking to kronk

[fathom hill]

not a very well known little indie game hollow knight

[lethal burrow]

The last of the 12th might be widow

[mint stratus]

Greatest compliment I’ve ever received

[hazy meadow]

inch resting. widow.

[stuck berry]

penitent number number is a record of random people they jailed but yeah fs is the only weaver there

[hazy meadow]

i snee i snee

[stuck berry]

they call him the sneeer

[shadow shale]

I thought widow was some sort of byproduct of a torture experiment given her forcibly removed mask and inability to hold silk without literally it being pinned into her body

[stuck berry]

widow was a weaver who remained loyal to gms so the weavers mutilated her

[mint stratus]

I wonder who was the one to do that?

[oak dock]

This should happen
https://www.tumblr.com/molabuddy/796354666494672896/theatre-freak-on-theatre-freak-violence?source=share

maybe there agearic to gagobears

theatre freak on theatre freak violence

-# #doodles #silksong spoilers #silksong

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[lethal burrow]

That doesn't contradict anything I said

[fathom hill]

what did trobbio do

[lethal burrow]

he trobbied to hard

[oak dock]

Theater kid

[stuck berry]

hide under the floorboard like a COWARD

[stuck berry]

LET ME HIT YOU STOP PLAYING WITH YOUR BALLS

[mint stratus]

No he super died, did you not see the dramatic exit representing his glorious death and defeat?

[fathom hill]

mad bitches cant stand a gay succeding smh my head

[oak dock]

Many people have this reaction to Trobbio due to the autism kill instinct
Look it up I am too tired to explain it right now

[fathom hill]

the what

[mint stratus]

Autistic on autistic violence 😔

[shadow shale]

Hornet is the one who murders gay people. RIP Green Prince

[fathom hill]

tbf he wasnt succeeding at all

green prince wanted to die if anything.

but hornet did save lace and pintress so yeah

[tiny socket]

Trobbio would make a superb possum with the way he dies

[fathom hill]

ohhh

[stuck berry]

i was gonna say

[fathom hill]

yeah i get it

[mint stratus]

I can see it

Wait I have the power to draw

[stuck berry]

i felt pity killing him because despite the mid ass fight he seemed like a fun personality, imagine my surprise when i saw the wishboard lol

[mint stratus]

He’s so funny, if you walk back in the room while he’s still there he’ll go back to playing dead

[shadow shale]

I feel bad for him. His boyfriend literally sacrificed himself and became an automaton in service of the citadel to spare Verdania from being destroyed and Verdania gets destroyed anyways and Green Prince gets imprisoned.

[stuck berry]

gay ass actor
kills whoever goes in stage with him
gets depressed during the apocalypse and tries to kill you harder
refuses to elaborate
leaves

[hazy meadow]

hey so.

[stuck berry]

what was his problem

[mint stratus]

I think they were married but I have no proof

[fathom hill]

and some lesbian comes and kills him too

and takes his heart to put on a shelf she wont even use that much cuz she is from another land

[hazy meadow]

correct me if im wrong but the weavers rebelled bc they didnt want to serve gsm n her wicked schemes

[mint stratus]

Maybe dlc use?

[orchid whale]

Notice how we never see Lace and Sherma in the same room at the same time?

[shadow shale]

Pavo comes to help clean her house while she’s away from Pharloom and is horrified to find a beating heart is officially my headcanon

[fathom hill]

dont think the mementos will be used at all.

But i like the lore implications of Hornet collecting these so she wont forget for the years to come since yknow, long life and all

who knows maybe she is taking these home

[mint stratus]

I was hoping to see her put their heart in automatons but I’m not sure they’d want that tbh

[shadow shale]

They are just trophies of optional challenges instead of having extra entries at the bottom of the journal like Hollow Knight did

[stuck berry]

because first sinner told them they weren't actually of divine lineage and got punished by higherups for spreading the truth

[fathom hill]

no and hornet wouldnt do that im sure

[shadow shale]

The mementos will probably never have a use just symbols you did x thing

[fathom hill]

unless it was their wish but it wasnt

[hazy meadow]

i snee.

[stuck berry]

dey call him john snee

[hazy meadow]

sorry im getting this eternally at service and under surveilance type feel from the lore tablets n stuff

[stuck berry]

if you get one lore thing wrong you DIE

[mint stratus]

SETH I THINK YOURE SUPER COOL BUT UNTIL I BEAT YOU IN THE FLEAGAMES YOURE MY ARCH NEMESIS

[hazy meadow]

its. also canonical that the weavers passed down the burden of sealing away GSM to the common bugs because they were dying right

[stuck berry]

beefing with a cancer patient, for shame

[hazy meadow]

like. the weavers arent immortal or have long ass lifepsans right

[shadow shale]

You can’t do that automatons are powered by real bugs but require the soul to be turned into a silk butterfly then that silk butterfly is put in the core of the automaton

Can’t just shove a beating heart in there

[hazy meadow]

im beefing with him in good sportsmanship

[stuck berry]

i'm personally not sure about this but if this is the case imo they kind of just wanted to leave

leave the abusive granny in the retirement home while you go make your own life

[hazy meadow]

pointing at the rune harp lore from high halls

[stuck berry]

what's it say i hate scrounge

[graceful grail]

Other Weavers brought to GMS??

[fathom hill]

yah

half, fourth, eight weavers

[hazy meadow]

"Sisters, spiders, the burden is passed. These simple bugs shall bear it full. Never to cease. Never to silence.

We shall die, and wait, and pray, that one may come of silken strength enough to weave us free."

[stuck berry]

half weavers quarter weavers anyone with weaver blood

[mint stratus]

I would share a sandwich with him but I also am filled with the rage of being one memento away from fully furnishing my bellhome

[hazy meadow]

this guy gets it

[lethal burrow]

schemes such as?

[stuck berry]

silking it up grand style

[hazy meadow]

im not entirely sure which is the weavers doing and which is gsm's doing so dont loo at me

[hazy meadow]

LOL YEAH.

[lethal burrow]

they all add up to one full Weaver though.... interestingly enough

[fathom hill]

cool easter egg, dont think it means anything though

[hazy meadow]

its interesting that hallownest is referred to as "kingdom of the white wyrm"

[lethal burrow]

Could definitely mean something

[hazy meadow]

it implies other kingdoms don't have wyrms. or at least white wyrms

[lethal burrow]

maybe they have confederacies of the white worm, or republics of the white worm

[lean temple]

White meaning pale, who are very rare among higher beings. Mister Mushroom implies Wyrms creating kingdoms is a common occurrence.

[fathom hill]

also yesterday i was revisiting phantom a bit, what is this container anyway?

[stuck berry]

probably a container to keep her from falling apart given her silk is deteriorating

[fathom hill]

I always assumed it was a mirror, since they are supposed to be the same creation but the perspective doesnt appear to this to be the case

[hazy meadow]

hey so. the weavers were treated like holy figures???

am i reading this right

[lean temple]

They wanted to rule instead of her. They have some sort of beef but the Weavers were definitely arrogant and wanted to concentrate power in themselves

[graceful grail]

So, was Widow trying to wake up GMS in Bellheart?

[lethal burrow]

Star Wars/Dragon Ball Z healing tube

[stuck berry]

maybe at first but afterwards probably not, an effigy is an object you make for someone you hate and there are tons of weaver effigies

[lethal burrow]

it's widow at least

[stuck berry]

although maybe they represent specific weavers

[fathom hill]

yeap could be

[lean temple]

The effigies contain prayers

The Weavers deified themselves

[fathom hill]

gms is all that widow cares about so yeah

[hazy meadow]

where is this

[stuck berry]

egotistical ass

[graceful grail]

Right of cradle, breakabe wall before entering on right

[hazy meadow]

i snee

[graceful grail]

On the right here

[hazy meadow]

ahhh

[stuck berry]

me when i'm about to sneeze but then am rudely interrupted

[hazy meadow]

i should rly go around n play my needolin..

on another save file.

cause. act 3.....

[stuck berry]

i missed the surface memento because i didn't needolin long enough eugh

[graceful grail]

So needlin is Violin+Needle but is a harp??

[stuck berry]

mandolin + needle

[hazy meadow]

is the mandolin jp or chinese i forget

[graceful grail]

Mandolin makes sense

[stuck berry]

mandarin is what they speak in china

[lean temple]

It's Italian

[graceful grail]

Id give alot so see her play “needlin” with a bow though

[hazy meadow]

the

tHE MANDOLIN IS ITALIAN??

[graceful grail]

I thought is was Russian

[stuck berry]

italy in hollowknightverse

[stuck berry]

the original name is mandolino

[mint stratus]

Hey are styx and the huntress the same species?

[craggy smelt]

who knows

[hazy meadow]

maybe not

[craggy smelt]

Styx is a weird case

[hazy meadow]

different body type

[lean temple]

Doesn't styx have many masks

[hazy meadow]

• use silk soar at styx's nest

[edgy nebula]

styx's mask might just be a head from one of huntresses species

[stuck berry]

styx has a lot of masks so he probably doesn't really look like that

[hazy meadow]

you'll find something strange up there

[lean temple]

Who knows what he is

[stuck berry]

a shapeshifter imo

[fathom hill]

maybe, maybe not. We dont see the huntress choosing a mask so Styx could be just grabbing a mask from her species

[craggy smelt]

Styx has a lot of masks/heads in his nest, it's implied he wears different ones to become different things

[hazy meadow]

its also interesting to see styx have many masks

[stuck berry]

remember in 2020 when they did a bunch of character reveals for silksong and one was huntress who givesyou 1 quest and dies

[hidden crater]

Italians IN MY SILKSONG???

[hazy meadow]

masks give identity, focus, what would happen if you were to change them

[stuck berry]

every other character they revealed is recurring or makes a significant impression

[fathom hill]

yah

[twilit valley]

Was Hornet basically just being shipped like a package towards GMS

[fathom hill]

Wasnt for that time in the communnity though

[edgy nebula]

remember when we thought huntress was the hunter replacement

we had no clue about nuu

[fathom hill]

yeap

[mint stratus]

I honestly expected to come back having completed the quest to find her brood having already hatched and devoured her

[stuck berry]

this happens if you don't complete it before act 3 lol

[hidden crater]

This one comment I found about styx is killing me

"Styx is a mimic like creature of sorts that wears the masks of other bugs to disguise himself

Kinda like Nosk but more of a bitch"

[fathom hill]

wonder if the name was purposely deceitful

[edgy nebula]

skynx in the corner, literally being nosk but more of a bitch

[twilit valley]

How did Hornet even get snatched in the first place

[lean temple]

I mean she is a huntress, just not one who gives a journal

[mint stratus]

Don’t get me wrong but I feel like nosk is much more of a bitch

[fathom hill]

the spell in the cage she is weak towards

[stuck berry]

"let's stick one very minor character in here and hope they don't notice"

[hidden crater]

I call skynx upside down styx

[stuck berry]

swarmed by a horde of them

[hazy meadow]

KINDA LIKE NOSK BUT MORE OF A BITCH

[edgy nebula]

im a big skynx fan, drew him earlier today, hes rad

[fathom hill]

i dont like him

he killed my wife

[hidden crater]

Omg upside down styx

[edgy nebula]

what isnt there to like

daaamn ok

[stuck berry]

(he is your wife upside down and molted)

[fathom hill]

styx is dead because of him he can burn in hell

[edgy nebula]

he is not, i will die on the hill he is a nosk

[graceful grail]

How many have done 100% steel soul, im now act 3 in.

[fathom hill]

no cuz body is in the room beside, they are not the same

[fathom hill]

I have

[hidden crater]

Only 1.1% of all players lmao

[graceful grail]

🏃‍♂️ 💨 on my way there!!

I guess ill grab speed completion while im at it

[stuck berry]

molted he molted that's his previous skin he molted

shapeshifter

[fathom hill]

please dont i like being in the sub 1% club

[mint stratus]

Have you found the blasted steel soul exclusive quest?

[hazy meadow]

HONESTLY

[graceful grail]

Yes, it is done

[hazy meadow]

I LIVE IN FEAR OF STEEL HEART

[fathom hill]

no

[hazy meadow]

AND THE 100% SPEEDRUN ACHIEVEMENT

[fathom hill]

you have no proof shut up

[hidden crater]

I got steel heart while it was at 0.6% 😭

[fathom hill]

my boywife wouldnt become that

[hazy meadow]

im still trying to get speedrunner

trying to shave off more time

i keep restarting/rolling back to a previous save if i die too many times

and then im gonna do it all in one go again

[tiny socket]

Are you doing mist or steps?

[stuck berry]

it's a different persona under the mask

[hazy meadow]

mist, need to practice phantom

[stuck berry]

molt molt molt molt

[fathom hill]

no

[stuck berry]

dying on that hill

[fathom hill]

die then

[stuck berry]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-hill-silent-hill-f-sandevistan-hinako-konami-gif-3131135365214721857

[hazy meadow]

alr got past her to practice trobbio who im getting more consistently

[stuck berry]

does this to you

[muted lantern]

Where my relic seeker scrounge fans at

[stuck berry]

not me

[hazy meadow]

all thats left now is... high halls... gauntlet.... *shudders*

[fathom hill]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-1317513878955975206

[muted lantern]

low halls gauntlet when?

[fathom hill]

doing this to you rn

[hazy meadow]

NOOO HORNET

[muted lantern]

when will there be fanfic where hornet gets a good nights sleep

[stuck berry]

turns out you need to give her at least one relic to reach act 3, i never sold relics in the firdt game so i didn't here and i got stuck for hours

[stuck berry]

fucked up

[fathom hill]

there is

[muted lantern]

but shes so cute

[fathom hill]

not that i would know of course

[stuck berry]

i would've liked to find act 3 on my own but i had to ask a friend out

[fathom hill]

sorry bro that was too far

[stuck berry]

sucks

[stuck berry]

she's the size of your hand

[muted lantern]

yes shes just a little bebe

horrible millepede creature

[stuck berry]

ew

[fathom hill]

i like her but huhh autistic violence thing or something

[graceful grail]

When u get to the arena with the first void enemies i quit out so i wasnt a 2 shot kill, is this wrong?? I need full if there is double damage

[fathom hill]

I miss the guy in hk forgot his name

[stuck berry]

the only non-hornet character i think is in any way shape or form pretty is karmelita

[stuck berry]

dishonor

[muted lantern]

by cute i mean cute like a puppy, not attractive

[stuck berry]

he treats women like dogs get him

[graceful grail]

They cant change my crest and only give me 4 masks, thats mean 😠

[muted lantern]

im not particularly attracted to centipedes

[fathom hill]

why not\

[graceful grail]

I dont trust stuff thats always hard

[stuck berry]

just clocked for me that you're the fat ghost in off

sky whale better >>

[fathom hill]

no shakra?

[stuck berry]

she's okay

[fathom hill]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-side-eye-disgust-homelander-disgust-gif-8598740096398412855

[graceful grail]

GMS?

[muted lantern]

sky whale doesnt fit into discords pfp circle

[stuck berry]

i like gms's hair that's about it

[stuck berry]

you could zoom out 20 times

ah ah

[muted lantern]

ah ah

[stuck berry]

is the remake good

[fathom hill]

she is pretty

[muted lantern]

but what now?

[stuck berry]

she is dying you freak

[graceful grail]

You forgot

[stuck berry]

autistic people when they see someone 1% more autistic angry face

[fathom hill]

well she looks pretty when doing so

Sexy even i said it

[stuck berry]

lugyatti 👅

[hazy meadow]

i do like that gsm is willing to give it all for lace, loves her so much

[fathom hill]

peak male/female/neither/both form

[hazy meadow]

tragic. no parents are nORMAL IN THIS UNIVERSE

[muted lantern]

i haven't played it yet, planning to though, heard good things about it, soundtracks amazing but doesn't reach the heights of the original toby fox did a good job. Heard the new bosses and content are interesting

[graceful grail]

Lets not forget

[dire lynx]

#1 SS baddie btw

[fathom hill]

lace is also pretty

[graceful grail]

So many options

[stuck berry]

hope they give you a choice instead of saying "you're evil for killing everyone" while giving you no choice

[fathom hill]

but girl those clown pants have to go, we cant be going like this

[graceful grail]

So many

[stuck berry]

in this cutscene specifically

why the cat ears

[edgy nebula]

i find first sinner quite pretty

[hazy meadow]

that reminds me have y'all seen doodledrawsthings's gijikna lace design?

[graceful grail]

But seriously

[hazy meadow]

wowee...

[fathom hill]

yeah the purple shadow in her its just great, literally in her best light

[stuck berry]

send

mmmmm when i draw lace i will shade her with purple

[muted lantern]

ss is a cute little robit, frankly i don't find any of the characters in ss attractive, on account of them being bugs. but i do think they are cute

[fathom hill]

The cutscene in the flower stage is my fav

[stuck berry]

love how ss looks like he's smiling and having fun

[graceful grail]

First sinner is to good for us, i respect her

[hazy meadow]

(from doodledrawsthings on tumblr)

[stuck berry]

she has! no arms

[edgy nebula]

she does, i think

[stuck berry]

i can get behind this

[edgy nebula]

either that or she grows 2 legs when she slashes

[graceful grail]

Her dress is PEAK

[stuck berry]

like the fencing attire

[hazy meadow]

i like what they did with her hair

[graceful grail]

8 Legs 😏

[edgy nebula]

4*

[hazy meadow]

i cant wait to see what they do with the other silksong characters when they gijinkify them

[stuck berry]

rune rage equipped + r1

[fathom hill]

cant be putting aside the peak

bad res sorry

[muted lantern]

theres a tumblr user, i think lyss butterscotch is what they are called, who has some good gjinka designs

[stuck berry]

lmao i never realized he made his antenna into emo hair

looking for gijinka designs i saved

[fathom hill]

gotta love how they made them both look like children, very canon

[hazy meadow]

fun fact: this was made FIVE YEARS AGO

[fathom hill]

like yeah i can see now why the others would think hornet looks like a child

[hazy meadow]

mak clocked lace as a child right outta the gate

[fathom hill]

Ohh so happy coincidence then

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-ancestor-gif-21405227

5 YEARS AGO?

[hazy meadow]

their other gijinka designs are also really good

[graceful grail]

Phantoms my favorite

[hazy meadow]

extra old hornet art

[stuck berry]

https://vxtwitter.com/AidaCamelia0516/status/1973114123757277564

Aida (@AidaCamelia0516)

Gijinka doodle
#Silksong #Hornet https://t.co/4Vt3LMI7DS

vxTwitter / fixvx · Sep 30, 2025, 7:54 PM

huh

[fathom hill]

who is the other character supposed to be?

[stuck berry]

okay it wasn't embedding for me

[hazy meadow]

featuring guess who

[stuck berry]

THK

[hazy meadow]

bingo!

[stuck berry]

very common in fan designs of it to patch up the eye

[hazy meadow]

doodledraws's gijinka THK looks REALLY similar to their pale king. its intentional

hence why hornet is like. horrified. when she did his hair up like that

[fathom hill]

Ohh thats cool

some people are so talented one thing that im glad that silksong blow up so much as it did, to see the new artists getting into it

[fathom hill]

And doing cool stuff

[hazy meadow]

their pale king, for reference

IM GOING THRU SO MUCH SILKSONG LORE TRYING TO WRITE THIS ANALYSIS AUGHHHH

[fathom hill]

whats the main topic of ur analysis?

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-bell-beast-hornet-i-fucking-love-my-dog-gif-16253163473145257201

[stuck berry]

i like how in most human arts i see of shakra she's brown that feels right

[hazy meadow]

im going media review/analysis on the entire hollow knight series

[fathom hill]

her tribe always struck me as a gerudo kind

so yeah I could see it

[hazy meadow]

POSHANKA

[whole holly]

it does, culture heavily inspired by buddhism

[stuck berry]

that's the word i was thinking of but didn't grasp

[muted lantern]

https://www.tumblr.com/lyss-butterscotch/795618991555117056/women-in-bug-game-i-love?source=share i really like this one where shes based off the gerudo

Hydrochloric Acid

WOMEN IN BUG GAME I LOVE!!!!!!!!

-# #HAVE YOU GUYS FOUND KARMELITA #I LOVE KARMELITA SHES MY EVERYTHING #lyss art #my art #hollow knight #hk gijinka #hollow knight gijinka #silksong #silksong spoilers #silksong lace #silksong phantom #silksong shakra #silksong karmelita #skarrsinger karmelita

Tumblr · Sep 25, 2025, 12:49 AM

[stuck berry]

in my mind she's like wonder woman

[fathom hill]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-shakra-clanging-chakrams-hollow-knight-hunter-lady-gif-7295276669949152077

[hazy meadow]

i think im going to try my hand at a gijikna design

[stuck berry]

same

i made a cosplay of my main oc as hornet but that's the extent of hk characters as humans

[hidden crater]

https://x.com/QIZHUkumoko/status/1971247008355844530?t=7xEfyltbWiJzcbq8IL6epA&s=19

竹 (@QIZHUkumoko)

ok
#hollowknight #silksong

X · Sep 25, 2025, 4:14 PM

[hazy meadow]

i still subscribe to doodledraws's hornet design.... its so yummy

[hazy meadow]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[stuck berry]

chud son star daughter

[muted lantern]

lol

[vague sleet]

What's going to be for the next game lol

[stuck berry]

what's the thesis of your analysis

[stuck berry]

neglecting middle child

[hazy meadow]

elaborate slightly

[stuck berry]

you're making an analysis

those typically have a point to them

[hazy meadow]

cause this is for my media literacy class n basically my teacher said "just start yapping and tell me what you do and dont like about it"

[hidden crater]

https://x.com/Anthonylegua1/status/1972681161676591143?t=E_398Jrjf3kRJiyH7qeEKw&s=19 cause dayummmm look at my fuckin forehead

Anthony(C0MMS OPEN) (@Anthonylegua1)

/ Hollow knight silksong spoilers!!!
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Why so head
#Hollowknight #Hollowknightsilksong #silksong #silksongfanart #hornet #lace

X · Sep 29, 2025, 3:13 PM

[hazy meadow]

WHY SO HEAD

[hidden crater]

why so ears

[fathom hill]

id say is it about everything regarding the franchise or one axis in particular

[stuck berry]

you'll get more points if you tie it together though

[stuck berry]

toriel

[hazy meadow]

he said it could be about the gameplay, lore, etc. so i was like "bet"

and now here i am trying to figure out the silksong timeline without a mossbag vid

[vague sleet]

Need the Pale King and the Hollow Knight in there lol

[stuck berry]

damn child there is a god in your bigass head

[hazy meadow]

i feel like that guy in front of the board with all the red string and pictures

[muted lantern]

if they made a bad live action silksong movie who would jack black and chris pratt play

[hidden crater]

https://x.com/Anthonylegua1/status/1974867127762063514?t=Y8PrVKn6U_dP1SVhWBG15w&s=19 does ts count

Anthony(C0MMS OPEN) (@Anthonylegua1)

Parents
#Silksong #Hollowknight #Hollowknightsilksong #Silksongfanart #hornet #lace

X · Oct 5, 2025, 3:59 PM

[hazy meadow]

can we make chris pratt play quirrel

i know hes not in ss but let me dream

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[vague sleet]

Damn my child you have a bigass head.... I could fit a god in there

[muted lantern]

jack black as the pale king...

[stuck berry]

can you do vxtwitter.com and not x.com

[hidden crater]

I... am INSANELY LOUD BUZZSAW NOISES HERE

[hazy meadow]

also some lacenet from dear ol doodledrawsthings again (+ a better view at hornet's hair)

[regal crow]

What’s the bell eater? I thought at first it was bell Beast mutated by the Void, but then that glorious mf showed up at the very end

[stuck berry]

i am killing kids and shit cause i'm in fucking hallownest

[hazy meadow]

natural predator

[stuck berry]

lace lowkey giving wallace in the second image

of gromit fame

[regal crow]

Predator? Bell beast wiped the floor with it

[hidden crater]

Natural predator, prob the same boat as the stags where something threatens them to go extinct

[hazy meadow]

check the journal entry

[hushed viper]

||Lace|| vs ||Lingullini|| throwing it back who's winning

[graceful grail]

Why does Aira have no needolin diologue when other non speaking bugs do??

[hushed viper]

[stuck berry]

ancient predator to the bellbeasts. void woke him up and he ran around the bellways

[hazy meadow]

who is aira

[hidden crater]

Bell beast I think

[vague sleet]

Never let anyone sneak up on you, we discussed this

[graceful grail]

Bell beast

[stuck berry]

what hornet says to call beastie

[fathom hill]

who is lingullini

[stuck berry]

i used to think she said herrah

[hushed viper]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-boss-big-ass-big-chungus-fat-gif-6874985829013781556

[graceful grail]

Aira

[stuck berry]

chef gyatt

[fathom hill]

lugoli? also no match lace literally got no ass

her ass are her pants idk

[hushed viper]

yea that

[stuck berry]

https://tenor.com/view/dandadan-aira-shiratori-dandadan-aira-gets-knocked-out-by-a-washtub-aira-dandadan-aira-gets-knocked-out-gif-6285074020419401814

[hazy meadow]

i think. the common bugs (like the moss grubs n whatnot) cant talk

not really?

[hushed viper]

We LOVE Aira in this house!!!

https://tenor.com/view/aira-aira-shiratori-dandadan-blushing-anime-gif-10854363509849879061

[graceful grail]

How does hornet know yarnaby is female before meeting her. She immediately addresses her as madem.

[hushed viper]

girlboss

[vague sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/dandadan-aira-shiratori-shiratori-aira-sipping-drinking-gif-5741273352197984594

[stuck berry]

no thanks she's a bitch Glory to the Kinta Empire

[muted lantern]

very valuable silksong lore occuring here

[hazy meadow]

i think hornet can just vibe check a bug on sight for gender

[hushed viper]

cuz hornet LOVES girls and she has a GIRL detector in her head

[hazy meadow]

being alive that long i think does that to you

[hushed viper]

true. .

[vague sleet]

All the important stuff

[stuck berry]

then why does she refer to the female phantom and bellbeast as they

[graceful grail]

Literally everyone else she calls them, even if they have daughter in their literal name

[stuck berry]

yeah

[hazy meadow]

i think they wanted bellbeast being a mom to be a surprise

[stuck berry]

it's inconsistent it lowkey pmo

[hushed viper]

is there a lore reason why the daughte rof hallownest is #WOKE

[hazy meadow]

phantom and lace are both feminine even tho they're basically constructs so

[hushed viper]

Maybe that's why hallownest fell

[graceful grail]

She calls phantom they, that unintelegent kuz phantom calles lace sister wich means they have gender unlike vessesl

[hushed viper]

Hallownest died because of the #WOKE virus

[graceful grail]

Hornet should be guessing in my opinion and not be so safe in her personal journal

[fathom hill]

shes trying to be nice ok

[graceful grail]

To who? She is writing to herself

[queen dust]

true ending spoilers ||so how tf does the knight appearing in the ending cutscene make any sense when in all the ending we get in hk he was either locked away or dead ||

[graceful grail]

Any ending with Void heart is canonicaly possible

[stuck berry]

guy who didn't get the true ending in hollow knight

[cobalt coyote]

The shades returned to the abyss at the end of dream no more didnt they?

[fathom hill]

bro didnt even p5

[stuck berry]

sealed siblings?

[muted lantern]

phantom is implied to go by they, as even the non hornet part of the journal calls them they. and the non hornet parts are essentially an omniscient narrator

[zinc pivot]

Back to the abyss doesn’t mean death in any mean

[cobalt coyote]

And the knight sort of became a shade.at the end

Also no need to spoiler tag here

[graceful grail]

U dont use the void heart in that ending

[queen dust]

? he just gets sealed

[stuck berry]

you need it to trigger the ending

[hazy meadow]

i snee

[hushed viper]

btw what's witht he ||crow judges why are they evil and fucked up or are they evil and fucked up cuz they know hornet is the cause of the end and therefore sees her guilty||

[fathom hill]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[queen dust]

hm

[stuck berry]

the true ending is the knight kills the radiance and joins the void sacrificing it's physical shell in the process

[zinc pivot]

I personally think sealed siblings is one of the ones where radiance is sealed for good
Now that the knight can call upon the entire void to seal radiance

[hazy meadow]

also fellas. what the heck is up with the void people.
we yearn for your embrace??????? are you sure?

[graceful grail]

has someone made a video for “every hint the shamans were under your nose” or something like that??

[cobalt coyote]

okay so go back to hollow knight Explore queens Garden then awaken the dream nail and go find smth in ancient basin

[zinc pivot]

Ancient Civilization is the old version of edgy

[stuck berry]

ancient civilization who prayed to the void. we don't know what that's about

[queen dust]

alr that makes sense now

[stuck berry]

they've been a thing since day 1 and we still don't know what that's about

[zinc pivot]

It seems like they work like a nihilistic version of buddhism
Requesting release from suffering through emptiness

[hazy meadow]

yeah ik im just sat here like, they're getting weirder i swear

[cobalt coyote]

Imagine if they all died jumping into void

[hazy meadow]

also im impressed the weavers went so far down

[zinc pivot]

I think they just hold void artifacts like ones in the journal

[stuck berry]

i like how you have some legitimate ass questions about this world and we who have been here for years are like "yeahhhhhhh don't know what that's about fam"

[queen dust]

is lace a weaver?

[hazy meadow]

also also: is it true that the pilgrims's song is keeping GSM at bay or something

[zinc pivot]

It slowly drains them away until nothing is left

[stuck berry]

no, just a being made of silk

[zinc pivot]

No, silk homonculus

[graceful grail]

No, she is 100% silk

[hazy meadow]

ive been here since hk im just. hrhgrhghrghrgh they're WEIRDER IN SILKSONG I SWEAR

cause before it was just. sacrifices and "oo void funny" and whatnot

[graceful grail]

But silk was what gms used to change pharlids to weavers so Lace is Hornets Aunt

[hazy meadow]

but now its like "we crave your darkness."

[zinc pivot]

The dead pontiff we yoinked the cylinder from said that the songs and prayers are the seal

[stuck berry]

the weavers started the pilgrimage so the pilgrim's song would keep her sealed right

that's how i understood it

[hazy meadow]

cause all of the "for your favor, eternal, we offer our song"

[stuck berry]

or maybe not started but maybe leveraged an existing pilgrimage for that purpose

[queen dust]

and what was the purpose and intent of the first sinner?

[hazy meadow]

like the weavers are being prayed and sung to to strengthen their seal on gsm

[zinc pivot]

I believe the song does have a magic that sustain gms
But weavers basically sneak some roofie magic into the sacred song

[stuck berry]

she found out the weavers were not of divine nature but merely uplifted beasts. she spread it around higherups didn't like it jail forever

[zinc pivot]

And that’s how widow got crucified from being against the idea

[graceful grail]

She dosent consider herself GMS daughter and had a form of rebellion against GMS, but since GMS is made of silk we (generally) consider it her biological way of reproduction. So GMS imprisoned her as the First Sinner.

[zinc pivot]

Weavers are basically magic mules

[queen dust]

isnt the first sinner the one that helps us get all our abilities and shit?

[zinc pivot]

But first sinner imprisonment is still topic of debate

[hazy meadow]

also whats with all the lore tablets beneath the weaver abilities that say something about the weavers keeping the bugs safe

[stuck berry]

you binded her corpse to get one ability, she's not eva

[zinc pivot]

Those are all different weavers
You can see they differ in body designs

[graceful grail]

Yeah, Rune Rage, she diddnt like GMS so that’s probably why she helped hornet

[queen dust]

woah

[zinc pivot]

I do think that first sinner has been enshrined before she was sealed behind bars

Because why would they not kill her and only put her in suspended animation like the other weaver shrines

[hazy meadow]

hey what are the little weaver tombs called

do we have their dialogue listed somewhere???

[graceful grail]

She was probably there for a long time and literally turned to stone. Weavers do have a long lifespan

[zinc pivot]

I call them shrines
Since they tend to have tablets about how important they were

[karmic lotus]

kinda funny how ||hornet first has to save the world from the haunting, then save it from void, and presumably after act 3 ending the lifblood in wormways will spread and hornet will have to save the kingdom AGAIN||

[zinc pivot]

She was kept in a same structure as a weaver shrine though

[graceful grail]

I understand what your saying

[fathom hill]

shes a hero after all

she gotta hero

[karmic lotus]

pharloom is such a bad kingdom they got 3 seperate infections

hallownest only got one

[zinc pivot]

Well hallownest started with 2 defilements
The Infection and The Grimm Troupe

[fathom hill]

yeah though she said she wont stand sentinel for another dying land so im guessing, would she stand sentinel for a hopeful one?

im sure she said that cuz shes adamant to not let pharloom succumb to the void though

[zinc pivot]

She does look like she wants to return to Hallownest from her surface and blasted steps dialogue

[fathom hill]

she does

[karmic lotus]

i dont blame her hallownest is better in like every way

[zinc pivot]

Of course we don’t know if hallownest will ever return to a liveable state or will it be forever ruins

[karmic lotus]

less capitalism less double damage enemies

[hazy meadow]

hey so. reading the wiki, tell me if this is right

[karmic lotus]

less people trying to smooch her

[fathom hill]

but im wondering how she lives in hallownest if not to stand sentinel

[karmic lotus]

no kratt

[fathom hill]

Since im sure theres no much left in hallownest anyway, unless theres the shroom guys and the mantises if they are still there. Been a long time between the games

[clear cloak]

Grand Mother Silk made the Weavers, right? So… is she Hornet’s literal grandmother?

[fathom hill]

Yep

fun aint it

[clear cloak]

There’s still Dirtmouth

[hazy meadow]

GSM made the weavers n told them they were her kids n that they were divine beings
they served GSM for a time, empowering her
the weavers eventually used their abilities to put GSM to sleep
the weavers created a religion to entice people to sing and sustain the seal on GSM
weavers left the sustaining of the seal on GSM to the bugs

did i get all that right

[fathom hill]

a small town with like 5 people, still a long time between the games who knows if dirtmouth is even there anymore

[clear cloak]

I assume more people live there than are represented in the number of NPCs.

[fathom hill]

Also like depending on the time, they could all be dead by now

[clear cloak]

That is true

[proud harness]

Yeah basically

[stuck berry]

huh i never got that the weavers created the religion

[proud harness]

It's sorta weird blood adoption what GMS did to make the Weavers

[clear cloak]

I have faith in Dirtmouth. If they survive the infection and the collapse of Hallownest, they’re probably doing everything better now that the Radiance is gone

Well… there is that blue Radiance is the basement…

[stuck berry]

the door is shut forever after the knight gets the charm

won't be an issue

[clear cloak]

And yet Lifeblood continues to spread

[fathom hill]

dlc where we kill kratt

[stuck berry]

not in a dangerous capacity i don't think

[clear cloak]

Have you seen the Wormways? Sure, that was artificially accelerated, but it’s not good

[stuck berry]

what if kratt was a blue and green brothers who could weild animal powers

how would this affect the lore

[fathom hill]

if my gms had wheels she would be a motorcycle

[stuck berry]

grand mother unisilk

what is even the purpose of that spike below her stomach

[clear cloak]

I loved the reveal that the main symbol of Pharloom’s religion was Grand Mother Silk’s cocoon

[fathom hill]

leg

[stuck berry]

to locomote she bounces around like a veggietale

[hidden crater]

Why does greyroot look like one of those crackheads you see every day

[clear cloak]

Looks a lot like the Radiance’s legs, which, with little basis, I take as confirmation that the Radiance is a pale being

[edgy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hk-greyroot-pollip-gif-2859278079664756013

[stuck berry]

they refer to her as pale multiple times in the dialogue

[hidden crater]

Shes so slow look at those thoughtless eyes

[clear cloak]

I’m glad all members of the White Lady’s species seem to have the same sparkly eyes

[stuck berry]

i don't think that's white lady species

[fathom hill]

ok i understand why people like her

[stuck berry]

more like an evil counterpart to it

[fathom hill]

but she is mean

unwanted pregnancy not cool that was mean

[stuck berry]

what if her eyes are actually nostrils

[proud harness]

Don't worry about the blue juice, I'm sure its fiiiiine

[hazy meadow]

hey. remind me. is the choir part of the conductors or. are they entirely seperate

[hidden crater]

Genuinely what came out at the end of the cursed ending is it just another greyroot or an abomination of root, pale being and weaver

[stuck berry]

i still don't think the curse or the yarnaby are a metaphor for pregnancy

[fathom hill]

zote

[fathom hill]

thats fine, im honestly willing enough for anyones theories

[clear cloak]

The Radiance or Grand Mother Silk? I know they say Silk is, but I remember whether the Radiance is or not being debated by fans. But now that there’s such visual similarity… (and the similarity of void being used as a trap for them)

[fathom hill]

or headcanons or whatever

[stuck berry]

silk, radiance isn't pale i don't see it

[hidden crater]

this is real btw

[stuck berry]

styx shape-shifter

[fathom hill]

but giving that theres a whole overarching theme about motherhood, pregnancy or abortion are not off the table since well it tracks

[fathom hill]

i said theories not mental illness

[stuck berry]

molt molt molt molt molt molt molt

[hidden crater]

This place is calm compared to #sk-discussion

[fathom hill]

is ss discussion ever calm

[proud harness]

Damn, so the White Lady's deformed cousin wanted to be in the family tree that bad huh

[hidden crater]

fuh naw

[hidden crater]

White lady if she was slow and acted like a crackhead

[stuck berry]

believe it or not ssdisc used to be like this channel is now

[proud harness]

...So the White Lady

[hidden crater]

Doesnt greyroot react the slowest to needolin

[narrow glacier]

That would actually be a sick silk skill. Leaving a silk decoy behind that aggros enemies. And when it’s destroyed it explodes dealing damage

[stuck berry]

that fuckass ice ability if it was good

[fathom hill]

isnt the white lady like senile or something

[stuck berry]

blind

[fathom hill]

blind and senile?

[stuck berry]

no just blind

like you are with styx's molt

[clear cloak]

She’s white, is associated with light, has power that rivals the Pale King’s. And she’s got those weird sword legs…

And, when discussing using void to trap Grand Mother Silk, the snail shamans say it’s the only way to deal with pale beings. Which would fit with the Pale King using a similar plan on the Radiance.

The Radiance calls the void her ancient enemy. Now I’m wondering if it’s less that it’s her enemy and more that it’s the enemy of all pale beings. After all, they’re associated with light and the color white. Void is black, dark. And void seems to be the death of the Pale King too

[stuck berry]

the void isn't her enemy she just has a personal vendetta with it that it only reciprocates when the knight makes it

well it's her enemy but it's not mutual

[narrow glacier]

Radiance has every hallmark of a Pale being. Other than explicitly being called Pale.

She straight up calls the void her ancient enemy in dream nail dialogue

[stuck berry]

vessels aside the void doesn't really care

[proud harness]

Give Hornet ice abilities, so that the enemies feel the pain of getting that double jump the first time we did

[clear cloak]

Yeah, I didn’t mean to imply it was

[proud harness]

Tbf, with how the Void is just, anti-everything-not-Void, I think it's safe to say that calling the Void your enemy as a God ain't that unique-

[fathom hill]

you must be the senile one then

[stuck berry]

gravity is my ancient enemy

[clear cloak]

I like the idea that pale beings and the void are opposites

[stuck berry]

molt molt molt molt molt molt molt molt molt molt

[proud harness]

[clear cloak]

It also fits with pale beings creating societies and void being completely disorganized

[fathom hill]

oop

[clear cloak]

Even the Radiance is trying to assert a form of order. Just one incompatible with the Pale King’s

[stuck berry]

if she was senile she wouldn't be self aware about all this

[fathom hill]

yah i was just going to make a joke but the bot smithed me

[stuck berry]

did you say t*ah that always pisses him off

[fathom hill]

no

still imagine saying this ot your kid

[clear cloak]

Pale beings seem to create species a lot. Perhaps the White Lady is the creator of all “roots”?

[fathom hill]

or your mum telling you she wants to breed or something

weird pale beings

[narrow glacier]

The term "ancient enemy" implies something much different though. As we know the void has had it's own civilization in the past.

This is pretty much just the old "Light vs Darkness" trope. But given a different context. I think the Radiance (and perhaps all pale beings) seem to have some aversion to the void.

[clear cloak]

Perhaps, now that she went away to Hallownest, diminished her power, and swore never to breed, her people are trying to replace her. After all, the parasite only appears to hatch after Hornet binds a pale being to herself

Perhaps Greyroot seeks the birth of a new pale root

[timber pond]

This and the white lady implying that the Void and pale beings are linked somehow along with The everbloom being some kind of ancient Flower that can just "no U" it

[craggy smelt]

That's been my view ever since this line:

VOID, yours is the power opposed.

always figured there was something more to it than 'you freak the hell out when I get too close'

[stuck berry]

is named lost kin
isn't lost to void but to infection
much to think about

[fathom hill]

im going to bed see yall nerds

[stuck berry]

molt

[tacit anvil]

Is this a place where we need to spoiler stuff

Cus Oh my God

[stuck berry]

no

[tacit anvil]

Ive been wondering how muchnof hollow knight and especially silksong lore has been inspired by elder scrolls lately

[craggy smelt]

oohhhh, but all the vessels are 'lost' in a sense, aren't they...?

[tacit anvil]

And also i just got the sister of the void ending 💔

Someone lied to me and told me thk wasnt in silksong and i thank them for that

[stuck berry]

lost garmond and lost lace weren't void before, the title was only given to them after they were drenched whereas the vessels were made that way

lost PK's kids

[stuck berry]

it really isn't in silksong||'s gameplay ||

[tacit anvil]

I actually cant tell if its thk or ghost ,,

[stuck berry]

it's ghost

[tacit anvil]

In the cutscene

[cobalt coyote]

Its ghost, he looks that way in the true ending

[tacit anvil]

Ohhhhh thats even sadder

😭

[craggy smelt]

yeah, but the Void bit of Broken Vessel is gone, all that's left is the Essence of the child that was consumed by the Void
hence lost 'kin'

[stuck berry]

so why is it lost still if it lost all the void

[mint stratus]

Lost in a different way

[craggy smelt]

i guess it was lost
but then you find it

and you get that nod

[narrow glacier]

Hornet also directly says the parasite has an aversion to the void if you try to dive into the abyss while infected. That and the fact that it's only thing that truly stirs it is when it forcefully binds a pale being. And the fact that Grey root mentions Hornet being pale before infecting her. Theres too many connections between to the Pale Lady to be a coincidence

[timber pond]

THK isnt actually, his Shade is not present in the ending. So hes not in the void..... (imo) lol Making the godhome ending what i think happened

[stuck berry]

the doylist reason is tc didn't think about that naming scheme when naming kin

[stuck berry]

they leave thk out to keep it ambiguous

[tacit anvil]

They leave thk out because theyre gonna make a dlc for thk

[craggy smelt]

Verdania is also called 'Lost Verdania', therefore it must also be void

[stuck berry]

guh

[tacit anvil]

🧠 big brain theory

[stuck berry]

none of team cherry's dlcs require you to finish the game to see it, i don't think it's happening

assuming you mean post-SotV

[mint stratus]

One can dream

[hidden crater]

If lost garmond is lost why hasnt anyone found him

[timber pond]

Pepole say that, But it wouldnt be ambiguous either way. Because that just makes me think hes not there, because he has a shade as seen in DNM . And since the ending establishes that Ghost CARES, the folly of THK is him CAREING EVEN MORE. So i think he would be there to save hornet, if he was in the void.Making me think its Embrace the Void.

[mint stratus]

We find him with our needle

[clear cloak]

Well, that’s true for the first game, but there’s nothing that indicates that they have to stick to the formula (and I’m hoping for an Act 4/epilogue)

[stuck berry]

I'm not I'm not beating lost lace again

[tacit anvil]

Act 4 / epilogue wiuld be really nice

[regal crow]

What’s the deal with forge brother signis?

[tacit anvil]

To get to see sherma and shakra together

[timber pond]

you will in the boss refight mode anyway >:)

[stuck berry]

nah

[tacit anvil]

With lace and then actually ascending pharloom

[atomic dirge]

Hes just some manager guy from what i can tell

[timber pond]

Hornet and lace probably Leave as is Implied by Shermas last conversation you can have and The Steel Soul Exclusive quest

[stuck berry]

the epilogue content i want is an animated short featuring the characters post-void outbreak, no dialogue just music and good vibes. nothing else

[mint stratus]

The super mario brothers but if they were foremen

[tacit anvil]

Wait what does sherma say

[regal crow]

Mario and Luigi don’t summon an army of possessed minions 😦

[mint stratus]

They don’t?

[karmic lotus]

Forge brothers signis felt like a kind of filler boss to me

[craggy smelt]

...there has to be at least one game where that happens

[timber pond]

Its not anything that sherma says, Hornet says to sherma HE has to be the one to rebuild because she will likely have to quickly depart. The Steel Soul quest gives us an inkling as to why.

[tacit anvil]

OHHH i had that convo

[tacit anvil]

I have yet to play steelsoul.......this is only my second time beating the game

[stuck berry]

can you elaborate on the steel soul quest

[tacit anvil]

Whats the steelsoul quest

[timber pond]

Og boy

So Basically

[stuck berry]

is it the steel seer zi and sula thing

summoned savior whatnot

[timber pond]

yes

[atomic dirge]

Oh cause shes probably hunted now

[stuck berry]

what about the quest indicates their departure

[timber pond]

Yep

The masters Will hunt her and lace for being the cause of a Void outbreak

[stuck berry]

is that not sula that's hunted

[stuck berry]

ah i see

[timber pond]

It is but if you apply it to the larger narative.

[craggy smelt]

do the Void crime, do the Void time

[atomic dirge]

"gee i wonder if we should send some sort of steel assassins for Hornet"

[tacit anvil]

Hornet: guys its ok i can talk to the void

[stuck berry]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[tacit anvil]

Why doesnt she just do that Smh

[tacit anvil]

Pleaseee PLEASEEE

[whole holly]

are Master's like Knight with Voidheart like Confessor Jiji states

[craggy smelt]

hornet needs to talk to a Steel Lawyer

[stuck berry]

the first dlc is an act 3 intermission where she has to fight the assassins

[mint stratus]

I feel like her mentioning her familial relations would not help her case

[whole holly]

if so how is hornet supposed to face them

[tacit anvil]

Youre right

[timber pond]

Do you Remember Steel Soul Jinn from the first game? How he Says "the masters" are like, equivalent to Little Ghost and "the lord of shades"

[craggy smelt]

I hope so, that would rule

[stuck berry]

hornet better call steel

[tacit anvil]

😭i think i do but thats funny af

[clear cloak]

Do they care if it’s not one of their own doing it?

[whole holly]

i mean they might have some control over void...

[mint stratus]

Hornet gets hunted for sport after cooking lifeblood

[tacit anvil]

Jinn you cant just ask her sibling to assassinate her

[timber pond]

Zi Is exactly Like Jinn and She sends you to hunt for her Vassal thats exactly like Jiji.

[tacit anvil]

Thats sooo rude

[craggy smelt]

hell yeah they might
be dwelling on that lore tidbit for like 7 years

[tacit anvil]

Oh im misunderstanding

[whole holly]

maybe? they didn't come for pale king, or did they?

[mint stratus]

No no I wanna see this conversation

[craggy smelt]

Sharpe killed Pale King

[whole holly]

they are Void related

[tacit anvil]

Where jinn asks ghost to hunt down hornet after ghost saves her from dying

[timber pond]

I Think They Do. Because They Have steel hearts and Vassals to observe these kingdoms for a reason

[tacit anvil]

?

[mint stratus]

“Put it back”

[whole holly]

it would be such a weird twist for story, and justify everything hornet says about void

[tacit anvil]

Jinn thats so mean

Hornet just went thriugh 76 attempts to beat lost lace and you want them to put her back in the void

[timber pond]

To be clear this is the guy You are referring to. lmao

[atomic dirge]

(shoots pk)
Sharpe: "why would the void do that"

[whole holly]

yeah, they might Zi

[tacit anvil]

Yes i know hello little jinn 💛im assuming you were referring to another character though

[stuck berry]

why did chara make sharpe kill pk

[craggy smelt]

Steel Seer Zi does suggest that her masters can threaten even pale beings

[timber pond]

This is her

[tacit anvil]

Oh sweet thing you look starved

[mint stratus]

The fact the steel soul guys have mouths is freaking me out

[craggy smelt]

spindle legs = Zi is Radiance, pulled out of the Void and compressed into smol

[whole holly]

yes, i wonder how their possible Void nature would play into story, how will hornet face them, will she need everbloom? or First Light or something like that, maybe that's why Steel Clan has steel shells

[tacit anvil]

"my god can beat up your god"

[timber pond]

Its because they were likely something else and then the masters fucking pancaked them to serve

[atomic dirge]

I like the idea that if someone doesnt listen the masters put even gods into the hydraulic press

[whole holly]

i hate her, she looks arrogant, she looks like karen, she is so condescending for threatening hornet

[craggy smelt]

with this idea that they restrict use of Void and can threaten pale beings, I wonder if they aren't actually something different from either group
not Void or Pale, but some balancing force (steel grey)

[whole holly]

lol, me too

[stuck berry]

the last thing i want is for them to lock dlc content into only act 2 or 3, but they let you free green prince at any time so it's not happening

[mint stratus]

The pale king payed for all those buzzsaws to prevent steel soul assassins from putting him through a hydraulic press

[whole holly]

maybe Steel Master are higher being, or something of higher nature, they might be in same grey area of godhood that knight is, jiji literally compares knight to Steel Masters

[timber pond]

I mean, They gonna have to If the Boss refight mechanic they inevitably add is From Deep Memory Needolin song

[stuck berry]

okay i don't mind that

but i mean anything remotely grimm troupe or hidden dreams adjacent

[timber pond]

Meh idk

[atomic dirge]

If Sharpe is dlc i wonder how hes gonna fit into the steel lore cause like

[timber pond]

Act 3 could use some more cool quests

[tacit anvil]

Steel dlc

[whole holly]

i would like Hidden Dreams DLC in Silksong

[craggy smelt]

steelc

[atomic dirge]

Every other steel guy is fully steelified
And then theres sharpe whos just some guy in steel armor

[craggy smelt]

maybe Sharpe is in the process of being made into a steelheart
hasn't been fully compressed yet

[stuck berry]

forgotten memories

[mint stratus]

My quest to get every quill color is almost complete

[tacit anvil]

I hope hes silksongs equivalent of tiso

[whole holly]

maybe for flexibility and movement? or authority or status

[stuck berry]

why is his nose void what is up with that

[mint stratus]

Immediately squashed by ass jim?

[timber pond]

He was originally an idea for a "rival chracter" that "persues" hornet. He would now have a reason to do so AFTER silksong lol

[stuck berry]

arrogant weirdo who dies?

[tacit anvil]

Yeeeeeeess

[tacit anvil]

Yeeeessssss

[stuck berry]

i don't want him to die

[whole holly]

he will be another Grimm Troupe, that has malicious intent for gain to benefit masters, which i already hate, i hope Hornet actually eradicates and really defeats them

[stuck berry]

i like his whole deal

[tacit anvil]

If he were to die i think id rather have it be by hornets hands tho

[timber pond]

HE is very similar To a wingsmould....

[tacit anvil]

Or i guess her paws considering thats what spiders have

[whole holly]

yeah, i want Shapre Game, Hollow Knight: SteelShadow tomorrow

[mint stratus]

We do need more arrogant weirdos who appear around the map,
Though I’m still holding out on the Zote dlc that does nothing but add zote to bellheart

[atomic dirge]

I cannot take sharpe seriously with that fuckin nose

[tacit anvil]

☠️

Zote travels all the way from hallownest to pharloom to get new huzz

[whole holly]

i think they are similar creatures except actual mould is steel, but that doesn't explain steel hearts

[timber pond]

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/015/421/919/5ade70cb03b80459afee6c6b95043092_original.gif?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=92&v=1486460543&width=700&sig=%2BYqX8%2B4kE7z%2FkBZprfrOeJahINndhEzcKgMk0VGxIls%3D The void whip tndril nose?

[craggy smelt]

sharpe will be the hardest boss ever, all with nose-based attacks

[tacit anvil]

Steel assassin Sharpe, the lost 4th sibling of hornet thk and ghost

[whole holly]

i don't , Steel Masters are gonna be yet another higher beings who have control over void and have authority over many kingdoms, they might be remnants of ancient civilization

[stuck berry]

not enough hollow knight characters have noses and it pisses me off that one of the best noses was relegated to dlc

[tacit anvil]

Vog has nostrils

[timber pond]

Nah hes probably similar to a Kingsmould. I personaly think The pale king got those Moulds from the Steel HEarts

[tacit anvil]

And vog is peak

[stuck berry]

that's not a nose

[tacit anvil]

Maybe is just a really really flat nose

[stuck berry]

you look at styx he has nostrils but he doesn't have a nose

[mint stratus]

Voldemort but if he gave me money

[stuck berry]

maybe you're really really flat ever think aboutTHAT 😤

[narrow glacier]

Ya know, I imagine that "Steele" might be the one thing needed/capable of controlling the void

[tacit anvil]

Hey thats realy not nice to me(a bug egg) i got squished 5 days ago and have ptsd

[mint stratus]

Not everyone can afford a void tendril nose job

[tacit anvil]

And im not even hatched

[whole holly]

i think pale king might have gotten idea but i doubt he outsourced moulds manufacturing considering they aren't made from steel

[stuck berry]

actual fetus in chat rn

[tacit anvil]

Goo goo ga ga

[tacit anvil]

Thk's first words to hornet when she and lace visit hallownest

Thks first words in general

[whole holly]

bugs don't have conventional noses, but lot of bugs do have what is bugs version of nose in Putrified Ducts

[tacit anvil]

Oh yes the spitting mosquitos

[atomic dirge]

Sharpe was just born with a waluigi lookin ass nose