sk-lore

[zinc pivot]

the thing is
during development blasted steps were part of the gorge

[weak copper]

Yep

[atomic dirge]

On one hand "let the weak crumble away" but its implied he wanted to save those that were threatened by the Citadel so idk

[weak copper]

2019 Pharloom was ALOT more colorful

[mossy root]

Team cherry rlly cut a lot huh… but idt they’ll just leave all of that to the side like it’s nothin

[zinc pivot]

Well, thats how game dev usually goes
even if an idea is well developed it can easily be casted aside if it doesnt work with the mainframe

[weak copper]

Hey, we can see a theme here: Hallownest, dead Kingdom. Pharloom: Dying Kingdom. Next Kingdom: It's alive

Maybe the next game would be the most colorful yet

[zinc pivot]

Who would our next protag be?

[mossy root]

Just sayin steel city being a fully living kingdom but it’s so unbelievably tyrannical that it might as well be doomed

[low obsidian]

I said this earlier but my pitch is it should be a kingdom that's still in development

[atomic dirge]

if we do get a 3rd game i want the protag to be thk

[zinc pivot]

Hollow Knight games have always been the legacy of the Pale King

Would the next one be Pharloom's legacy

[weak copper]

Which is what happened with Karn's and Karmelita's areas yea. The latter looked like it was meant to be a lot bigger with the Ant City. Only Shellwood got off relatively easy

[weak copper]

Lace?

[mossy root]

Exactlyy (not biased)
They’re the only one without the whole forging their own path thing among the siblings and I feel as if it would be a perfect way to complete their story

[elfin minnow]

next game:
u know what, pharloom aint that badddd

[mossy root]

I saw a joke tweet about the idea of both lace and thk being the protagonists of the third game and that’d be rlly funny

[atomic dirge]

also we still have no idea what happened after ETV

[zinc pivot]

Lace could be an ideal protag
Though I doubt she can rip silk from other bodies like Hornet

[weak copper]

Plus we already got our plated filled with Silk

The gamers and TC want something new

[elfin minnow]

sherma next protagonist

[zinc pivot]

The entire game and we only know her as the homunculus of GMS

[weak copper]

Bellow

[zinc pivot]

TC even skip some nice banter like her mocking Hornet's Needolin

[low obsidian]

I don't imagine Lace could be a protag mainly cause her fate is kind of a spoiler so plastering how fine she is over all the marketing of the next game might hamper things for people who haven't played Silksong yet

[weak copper]

Steel City: A kingdom of Metal and Paper

[elfin minnow]

hornet too tbh kinda?

[atomic dirge]

Lace: "who the heck is this long ass guy lmao"
THK's limited mind, coming together to try and hold back from chucking this child into the ground

[low obsidian]

I don't think Hornet's fate was ever reaaally in question whereas Lace it kinda leads you to believe she might not even be able to be saved til the end

[earnest monolith]

Is it ever mentioned in the game that the flea caravan bug's name is Henrick?

[weak copper]

🤔 Never seen that name

[atomic dirge]

me neither

[elfin minnow]

i mean its kinda a spoiler that shes the daughter of pk and herrah
but also not really
idk

[mossy root]

LMAO
Still they’re also both rlly similar characters/they parallel each other and I find that both of them at least having one sort of interaction would be nice
“Yours was life, pale one.” Suits them both

[atomic dirge]

True

[low obsidian]

I mean the game does reference her past but it wouldn't have been included in advertising so people could still go into HK pretty fresh right?

I am mainly referring to general marketing here

[atomic dirge]

Yeah only thing that came close to implying it was an advertising of the game calling her a princess knight or smth

[zinc pivot]

how should we call the knight since they are technically the heir to the throne of hallownest

they are genderless

[mossy root]

Monarch??

[zinc pivot]

Right theres that word

[vague whale]

Rulerrrrrr

[mossy root]

Regardless idt they gaf enough about the throne of hallownest in the same way as the other two siblings

[vague whale]

Yeah I highly doubt they do

[mossy root]

I mean hitting the pk of his throne and it being the only chair in the game where you sit straight 😭
Yeah they sooo dont gaf about his legacy

[zinc pivot]

Does the knight use imperial or metric

[low obsidian]

I've now had a sudden thought and have decided to bet my house on Second Sentinel protag

[weak copper]

Even the it has been wiped from existence, at least we can hold in our memory that this is what the blasted steps used to look like this

[mossy root]

Yk who would though
Thk

[timber pond]

team cherry said that the could have kept Drawing Hollow knight stuff for 15 years worth of development lmao. They seem even more inspired after all this time

[zinc pivot]

Well, it isn't FNAF or anything

[weak copper]

They really struck a gold mine

[atomic dirge]

[vague whale]

neither. measureless

[weak copper]

FNAF? HK has way more world development potential than FNAF lol

[timber pond]

Its more like The contunied selling copies of hollow knight just kinda lowed them to take as long as they wanted

[zinc pivot]

thats what i mean

[mossy root]

Fnaf literally happens in one us state

[zinc pivot]

Technically, if HK is in bug sized world
It would be too

[atomic dirge]

as opposed to hollow knight which happens in australia

[weak copper]

15 years of time and 15 years of Hollow Knight ideas

[lethal burrow]

Blame the citadel

[zinc pivot]

Team Cherry = The Citadel

[weak copper]

How would they destroy this area though is the question?

[zinc pivot]

both is abbrev as TC too

Coincidence?

[mossy root]

OKAY ACTUALLY an area with fucked up gravity somewhere would be so cool

[timber pond]

Maganite caves

Like the platform rock

[lethal burrow]

Twolock brawn

[weak copper]

After looking at the map of the Gloom, is it ANY wonder it got cut and replaced by Bilewater?

[zinc pivot]

a working theory is that The Slab construction fucked with the water

[atomic dirge]

Magnetite caves in the dlc and you just see Sharpe stuck to the ceiling because he's steel

[mossy root]

That would be rlly funny

[weak copper]

This would be in something like I wanna be the Guy or Meat Boy

[zinc pivot]

steel is made of shell shard though

you see that glowstone?

[mossy root]

Is it really? What steel constitutes for in hollow knight might be smthn else entirely

[weak copper]

Possible, tricky to imagine since the game is in 2D with lore that fits more in 3D

[lethal burrow]

them

[low obsidian]

They're gonna add dlc that adds a Kingdom's Edge parallel with its own coliseum and Sharpe will also be found dead at the base of it

[mossy root]

Tiso 2

[zinc pivot]

i want tisos shield

[atomic dirge]

Theres a chance he got scrapped but i do hope dlc gives us our big nose steel man

[zinc pivot]

it cant block mawleks ass hole but its certainly better than dreamshield

[low obsidian]

Actually here's my idea he should be found above it instead as all the failed challengers are shot out of a cannon

[toxic mulch]

Sharpe appears for a grand total of 2 seconds before getting killed by a mossgrub

[zinc pivot]

MASSIVE Moss grub

or huge flea

[mossy root]

I rlly hope he wasn’t scrapped i swear they’re setting smthn up with steel soul trust trust trust

[weak copper]

Oh wow

[toxic mulch]

Nono this man dies to the basic ass mossgrub

[weak copper]

Have yall seen that concept idea of the city of steel someone made? It was posted two days ago

[mossy root]

Oh where

[toxic mulch]

I mean don't they HAVE to add him eventually as he's a backer character?

[low obsidian]

It would actually be hysterical having a reverse kingdom's edge with bugs flying upwards in the background

[weak copper]

Are links allowed?

[terse warren]

Yes

[atomic dirge]

Could be the backer went back on it

haha "back"

[zinc pivot]

would any backer do it though

[weak copper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1nxi2ei/spoilers_quick_concept_map_of_silksong_dlc_based/

[atomic dirge]

The guy making the weaver name->silk skill connections google doc seeing another weavenest pop up

[mossy root]

O THATS FIRE

[toxic mulch]

I suppose but I doubt it,I think he just didn't fit into the main game and the steel assassins are gonna be dlc content

[terse warren]

That's a bit excessive lol

[weak copper]

Good enough size as a full fledged DLC, if a bit on the bigger size

[atomic dirge]

I never realized weavenests were named after weavers until that doc

[weak copper]

That said the areas are pretty big in general lol

[atomic dirge]

Cause i never realized the effigy in The Slab is for Atla

[mossy root]

Honestly if a dlc is THAT big it might legitimately be a paid dlc
But also knowing team cherry they’d make it like 5 dollars at most 😭

[weak copper]

Almost all the fan areas are larger than a good portion of the pharloom areas xd

[atomic dirge]

dude GMS must fucking hate you to be named Murglin

[weak copper]

Coral Keys is Red Coral Gorge Sucessor. I want it

[toxic mulch]

We need a proper coral area 🙏

[weak copper]

We want COLOR

[terse warren]

Which one

[lethal burrow]

lol calling it intermission is so goofy

[toxic mulch]

We need vibrant biomes that aren't just green

[weak copper]

The City of Steel is the enemy of color

[atomic dirge]

Someone made a doc connecting almost every silk skill/ability to a certain weaver each

[weak copper]

!

[mossy root]

Ancient basin 2

[terse warren]

Well send it then

[weak copper]

Ok that made me the idea on what the main themes are. Steel and Color, the two contrasts

[atomic dirge]

lemme fuckin find it

[terse warren]

People keep claiming First Sinner is Atla and I have yet to see any actual evidence for it

[weak copper]

This two. It's mainly Green with Red as secondary

[toxic mulch]

Isn't that directly disproven?

[lethal burrow]

I think it's more likely she is from mount fay considering proximity to the slab and the fact that the door to the lab was kicked open inwords

[atomic dirge]

I thought it was the case but the more i thought abt it the less sense it made so mb

[toxic mulch]

I feel like first sinner would just tell hornet her name if that was the case

[atomic dirge]

First sinner is just a separate weaver of unknown name likely

If so every silk skill/ability would be related to one weaver (and gms because pale nails lmao) with the exception of Cross Stitch which Hornet just learns herself

[toxic mulch]

Gotta love hornet learning all these abilities from folks but her own idea is just PARRY

[bronze lake]

Does pharloom know about thw infection that happened in the first game

[toxic mulch]

I'd assume not

They know hallownest exists and it was ruled by the pale king but I doubt they cared about the infection

[atomic dirge]

Only abilities with an uncertain owner are Thread Storm and Clawline

thread storm got lore so weak we had to nerf it into the ground /j

[toxic mulch]

What ever happened to its original name of like gaussimer storm

[atomic dirge]

[atomic dirge]

The only weavers named and not coupled with another ability are Atla and Murglin but we dunno which is which

[zinc pivot]

because gossamer is actually very delicate in nature?

Or thread storm is easier to translate

[weak copper]

Meanwhile the Pinstress idea is her stealing Sheo's and Second Sentinals move

[lethal burrow]

that was a fan name (or maybe it was in the code)

But it's also the cooler name.

They couldn't even have it be alliteration with silk storm, nope!

It's thread storm

[atomic dirge]

I mean its second sentinel thar took from pinstress

[zinc pivot]

second sentinel is the better fight weirdly enough

[toxic mulch]

I believe it was the attacks actual name in the files

[lethal burrow]

also second sentinel shares the shaman crest attacks, which is weird because nothing else has sword beams?

[weak copper]

I thought Sentinals order came before her

[fallow spindle]

hadasteme. benifreng. na, fenestra. mm, hidonare. vas fine. vas fien. wenera. kadestre. nes vier. negine fora. temieien. yenara. neu vene. GARAMA

[zinc pivot]

also sentinel use lace's parry

[toxic mulch]

ADINO HEGALE

[zinc pivot]

interesting thing noone mentioned

[weak copper]

I noticed it while fighting it, didn't think to mention it though

I guess we need to make a age list on who's older and who invented what

[bronze lake]

Wouldnt the infection eventually make its way to pharloom

[toxic mulch]

No

[lethal burrow]

The sentinels were created by the first architect and lace was only created after grand silk fell asleep

[low obsidian]

It feels great living in a world with even more hk voicelines

[zinc pivot]

I would say even Radiance has a range limit

[fallow spindle]

why did they bring hornets nail if they wanted to bind GMS with her are they stupid

[toxic mulch]

The infection was localized to hallownest and while we don't know just how long considerable time has passed between hollow knight and silksong

[atomic dirge]

The citadel learned from the pinstresses then used those learnings against them to banish them

[lethal burrow]

"hornets nail"

[atomic dirge]

Pinstress mentions that iirc

[zinc pivot]

Pale needle sounds better than pale nails

[weak copper]

Wow ok, the lore in this franchise means that its really easy to miss or forget since I did not get that when playing this

[fallow spindle]

right

my point still stands though

[weak copper]

Like with Grand Mother Silk ordeal

[fallow spindle]

why did they bring her weapon

do they want to die

[toxic mulch]

Erm it's her needle this is an important distinction because needles are associated with silk and sewing ☝️🤓

[zinc pivot]

Our grand Citadel learnt well from the training of Pinstresses past. Then it went and turned those teachings upon us!
Despite our superior skills, our numbers have always been few and their strength overwhelmed.
Of my once revered order, only two of us remain, wormed away in Pharloom's forgotten corners, and my pin-sibling, she's lost herself to more peaceable pursuit.

[lethal burrow]

and pins associated with taxidermy and pinning down insects on boards....

[fallow spindle]

what the fuck i never said nail this time

[low obsidian]

Ok chat what's gonna be the new weapon in game 3

[zinc pivot]

stinger

[fallow spindle]

seriously why did they bring hornets needle anyways

[weak copper]

Pencil

[low obsidian]

I vote paperclip

[weak copper]

Or anything paper related

[toxic mulch]

Pin if I have to guess

[fallow spindle]

gun

[zinc pivot]

Pin is a pharloom thing though

[toxic mulch]

We already got 2 of those

[lethal burrow]

whatever second sentinel is using because they're going to be the main character

[low obsidian]

TRUTH

[lethal burrow]

[atomic dirge]

Scissor-blade

[weak copper]

Scissors, that's also paper

[fallow spindle]

so? doesn't mean we can not use a gun as msin weapon for game 3 :P

[toxic mulch]

Ryuko ahh hollow knight

[weak copper]

What about a Key-blade?

[atomic dirge]

To add tothis its implied the pinstress and seamstress have SOME connection to the stilkin

[toxic mulch]

We do NOT need mickey to show up in the next game

[weak copper]

Did I say we need mickey?

Dark Souls also had a Key-blade

[atomic dirge]

Did someone mention the door to the abyss?

[zinc pivot]

Disney is gonna get the rights and make HK into a fucking cartoon

[toxic mulch]

The key blade will summon his ass,he's on the keychain

[zinc pivot]

And ruin it like every other cartoon

[lethal burrow]

where EVERYONE is straight and nothing is political unless it's advocating for horrible mortals (also it's all badly written)

[zinc pivot]

Hornet straight up murdered the gay prince
Shes the ideal character

[toxic mulch]

Oh and it's live action but they changed the story to be government propaganda

[toxic mulch]

The knight can also kill multiple gay men

[zinc pivot]

Also Disney definitely would kill Nailsmith

And break the flower in front of Zemer

[lethal burrow]

they would change the story to "the Citadel was good actually it was just corrupted by grand silk because she wanted to be in charge instead of a mother"

[whole holly]

"Hornet you are so cool you should join the army" -Live Action Lace

[toxic mulch]

Hornet you should abandon lace for bug college

[lethal burrow]

💀

[toxic mulch]

Could you imagine tho,silksong school au would be absolutely hilarious

[whole holly]

GMS is turned into man, just because, and he becomes hero of story, making hornet side with patriarchy

[weak copper]

I already seen those fics pop up

[toxic mulch]

Damn

[zinc pivot]

Thats GFS to you

[toxic mulch]

I still think silksongs godhome final boss should be grand mother moss

[atomic dirge]

grand mother beastfly

[weak copper]

I would NOT want a Silksong version of P5

[toxic mulch]

Silksong godhome final boss is just 3 savage beastfly 2s

[zinc pivot]

Lost Absolute Radiant Nightmare Queen Grand Mother Moss

Did I miss anything

[whole holly]

i feel like Moss Druid deserved more lore, considering scraped temple of moss

[low obsidian]

"Sherma, I trust in your abilities... to rebuild Pharloom and keep the status quo but we prooomise it's gonna be good this time"

[whole holly]

still better fate than verdania

[toxic mulch]

Lost lace? Well go find her!

[atomic dirge]

The secret final boss is Galacta Knight fuck you

[toxic mulch]

Ah yes of course

Galacta knight is the obvious choice how stupid of me

[zinc pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/morpho-knight-galacta-knight-kirby-kirby-star-allies-butterfly-gif-24599813

i found this funny orange butterfly

[timber pond]

That conversation actualy makes me think She knows Sharpe and the Steel hearts will make her fle pharloom

[zinc pivot]

get irrelevant'd galacta

[weak copper]

Temple of Moss?

[atomic dirge]

Jokes aside i wonder whats more likely in a godhome equivalent, a gms rematch or lace 4

[toxic mulch]

Both

[whole holly]

yeah, scrapped content

[atomic dirge]

oh no

[zinc pivot]

GMS I think

[toxic mulch]

Like how godhome had pure vessel and abs rad

[zinc pivot]

In P5 its gonna be GMS and Lace duo battle

[weak copper]

Source?

[timber pond]

Well its weird, because We dont have dreamnail, so it would need to be a Deep memory?

[low obsidian]

I think GMS 2 is def likely

[atomic dirge]

We just find a godseeker in pharloom for god knows what reason

[whole holly]

it is mentioned in hollow knight wiki of moss druid, which does have sources linked

[timber pond]

But you dont understand, NO other Dreamnails exist besides the one the Seeker gave the knight as far as we know

Silk Can only project memories

[atomic dirge]

yea fair

[timber pond]

Deep memory can only tavel to the past

[low obsidian]

I am excited to see how they play on new lore for the boss rush

[toxic mulch]

Well hornet does know she was in godhome

[timber pond]

In the sense that she felt like half awake and has no idea whats happening? i guess?

[low obsidian]

You know that pantheon's gonna be even more hellish once the dlcs start throwing hands

[whole holly]

yeah, but other civilizations may be able to reinvent it, especially ones with ties to essence, TC could add Dream Pin, or something like that

[toxic mulch]

Radiant groal

[timber pond]

We dont even know if they will do it the exact same as pantheons. The thing with silksong is that It mirriors hollow knight in EVERY way down to its chracters arcetypes you meet

So Mirrior godhome and thats what we will get

[toxic mulch]

With triple the enemy arena beforehand and no floor

[timber pond]

Something or someone wanting to DESCEND powerful factual MEMORYS from the land unto the LOWEST point

[toxic mulch]

It would be cool to fight some of the first games bosses with hornets moveset

Mantis lords with silksong hornet 🙏

[timber pond]

It will Probably have something to do with Deep Memory though, because thats something that they can expand on thats already in the game

Like dreamnail

[weak copper]

Ooooo, now I want to see a doc or list that has them all. I know Hornet and Lace are the obvious mirror

[whole holly]

they can also upgrade the Nedolin ability to function more like Dream Nail as well, if team cherry wanted to

[weak copper]

The Gourmet wants more food, so he tasks you to go into his memories and recreate his favorite meals

[low obsidian]

I was thinking it'd be a given that all the dlc stuff would be accessed with the needolin memory stuff but thinking about it that would mean they'd all have to be like Lost Verdania with no benches so i dunnooo

[weak copper]

Lost Verdania I can tell was an area they really wanted to keep but they had to take multiple steps to do so.

[timber pond]

they only have ever done what is diegetic and established so far. We are accessing memorys with the needolin not dreams. yeah, mechanicaly it kinda works like dreamnail for the hearts at least, they would just apply that to Hornet or something else. But the events/bosses she refights would need to be in THE PAST.

[low obsidian]

It feels cool as its own thing idk if it would work for several more areas

[weak copper]

Yea its cool, Verdania serves as a bonus area for the experience since there's nothing too major in it

[low obsidian]

Re-entering the memory every time feels like a bit of a hassle for much more

[whole holly]

it can be present memories too, memories are formed always, just like dreams, nothing suggests than anything has to take place in past

[weak copper]

You can enter the memories of the earth and explore Pharloom of ages past

[timber pond]

The only way the Deep memory ability is used is within the past. Memories imply that things ahve happened.

IF you ahve a memory of the present, thats a psychic power not a memory lol

[whole holly]

for now, but Pharloom equilevant of Godseeker may just memorize everything about pharloom and form memory of Present Pharloom where it works like pantheon

[whole holly]

you know nothing about memories of psychology, i at leas study psychology, and know that memories are actively being formed when interacting with environment

[toxic mulch]

Ok guys here's a theory,so like hornet is the reincarnation of GMS and-

[whole holly]

Moss druid is reincarnation of Mossbag

[timber pond]

Ok, But in this context, The memory needs to be fully formed to re-enact it.

[toxic mulch]

They are both insane

[timber pond]

If You can only access bosses you have beaten and experinced, Then hornet using deep memory on herself is fine enough justification, Just wouldnt make sense with bosses she dosent fight before beating the game

Like Lost lace

[whole holly]

sure, but memories can form fast, memories can take place into 1 second in past, so it doesn't have to be Past past way you imagine, it can take place milliseconds after being formed so basically present

[whole holly]

Creature equilevant to Godseeker may have foresight in Pharloom and memorize future too

so it can work technically

[timber pond]

But then you cant re-fight lost lace in the memory because the actions to getting toward that point are multitudes of minutes in the futre, at that point its not the past

[whole holly]

like i said,Creature equivalent to Godseeker may have foresight in Pharloom and memorize future too

so it is just speculation about how team cherry implements it, we know they are trying to since there is Scrapped god's glory mode of game

[timber pond]

Only Pale beings can have foresight. and unless some one teaches hornet how to use it and permanently alters her character, Its impossible. You would need someone equivalent to GMS or pale king to just, show up for no reason

[whole holly]

team Cherry can break that pattern if they want to

[half cobalt]

is zote related to greyroot?, life ender is carved from shellwood, which has grey root and in HK the title zote has is grey prince zote, wtf, is that why he is so weak noramlly? is he cursed?

[timber pond]

Well pale beings are rare enough to like never be seen, so i dont think they want to.

[whole holly]

how team cherry will implement Godhome is irrelevant, we know they want to implement it, so no point in saying it can't be implemented

[timber pond]

Yes but the Diagetic context is important to them as equaly

[toxic mulch]

The only thing we can be pretty sure of is it won't be the godseekers again

[timber pond]

They made bilewater a shit place to be in because it is for the history of the kingdom lol

[whole holly]

like i said, how they will implement it is irrelevant, there is no point in discussing it

[whole holly]

yup, or can we be sure?

[timber pond]

There is a point because its much harder to figure out than dreamnail.

[half cobalt]

could be the steel clan this time

[timber pond]

Deep memory is the only thing that makes it possible within the flow of the games story

[whole holly]

there is point for team cherry to discuss it, but no point for us

[timber pond]

this is a lore channel speculation is everything we do😂 most of it is indeed pointless...

[whole holly]

Godhome differs from other memories in game though sheer expanse, so Team Cherry can do it different than Deep memory

[toxic mulch]

I'd assume team cherry doesn't wanna reuse things like that,it's also why I'm certain the Grimm troupe won't be in silksong either

[half cobalt]

we fought ant queen in her prime with songs, so am sure TC will figure some way

[timber pond]

With the context of the Cut vespa Boss fight sprite sheet, it makes most sense for Hornet to use Deep memory on herself

[toxic mulch]

Oh vespa is an actual cut boss? I just assumed players wanted it

[whole holly]

yeah, except lifeblood is here just renamed to Plasmium, everything in Pharloom has Hollow Knight equivalent, so no doubt DLCs will be too, but how similar is pointless to discuss

[timber pond]

These sprites imply she had a whole moveset

[weak copper]

I was wondering about that since Pharloom is a dying kingdom but not dead enough I guess

[toxic mulch]

Oh damn that's an unfortunate cut,she seems like a fun boss

[half cobalt]

ye prbly to materialize somthing like the delicate flower for some reason but the snails are dead and the only wild card we have is the steel soul clan

[weak copper]

Shame really, I presume it couldn't work with the sequence of events they wanted to go for

[timber pond]

I mean nailmasters were Cut from Vanilla hollow knight as bosses.

So

[toxic mulch]

It'd be cool to have a memory boss in hornets own memories

[weak copper]

Since putting in a boss that's completely unrelated to the games main plot would sorta bring it down

[timber pond]

IF hornet uses deep memory on herself, its still possible

Or if she gains the abiltyto do that willy nilly

[low obsidian]

The boss rush lore is you're gonna stumble upon a time traveler who's went around fighting every boss in the game and you got through all that in their memories

[timber pond]

since Silksong mirrors hollow knight so intensely the Godhome equivalent will:
Have Something or someone wanting to DESCEND powerful factual MEMORYS from the land unto the LOWEST point

[toxic mulch]

Mm idk if I like the idea of time travel in the game,the memories aren't exactly changing the events of the past so they're fair game but full on time travel is a bit of a stretch

[timber pond]

Memory of training with Vespa isnt a stretch lol

[half cobalt]

or we might see some of the void worshipers mentioned in hollow knight

[toxic mulch]

I was referring to this

[timber pond]

Jiji and Sula and the Steel Hearts who summon the void are the closest thing we know to that

[low obsidian]

Obviously I doubt this myself itms just fun to spin around ideas on how this could potentially work with what we know

[whole holly]

Steel Clan is so weird, nearly nothing is known about them

[half cobalt]

yup the steel mfs seems like the best candidates, we didnt even see tht long nosed character that was teased

[low obsidian]

My assumption is we're gonna get something completely new that you can't really predict but it's fun passing around ideas

[timber pond]

This is no longer true with The Steel soul quest

[toxic mulch]

A pretty boring way they could do it is just make it a button in the journal

[timber pond]

We know how and why they operate

[whole holly]

Steel Assassin Sharpe? he is backer character, so he has to appear at least in DLCs

[whole holly]

compared to what we know, there is more we don't know

[low obsidian]

It's fun to spitball regardless of how well an idea would actually work lol

I mean I imagine that's what they do themselves up in their coral tower

[weak copper]

The reds shall rise again

[half cobalt]

the who?

[whole holly]

Grimm Troupe i guess

[weak copper]

Replying to Jappy

[timber pond]

We know that They are an operation Who serves the masters, seeming to regulate void somehow. And the candidate of thier home base is the steel City. We know The confessors explicitly go To dying Kingdoms possibly related to how "regrets" tie to the Void like JiJi mentions in hollow knight. We know the masters will KILL ANYONE even Higher beings, or rather, "compress" them into steel hearts if they do not obey thier invisible guiding hand.

[half cobalt]

ah fair... is it just me or trobbio feels a bit circussy?

[low obsidian]

The Trobbio Troupe

[whole holly]

we don't know master, we don't know much more compared to that

[half cobalt]

quarterback mfs

[weak copper]

I noticed how much TC emphasizes Trobbio given how he also appears in the credits despite having not much of a role in the story other than being a required boss lol

[low obsidian]

Trobbio feels like such a character you would've found a breakable wall that leads to his private quarters where you could talk to him for

[weak copper]

These guys are the best part of Coral Tower lmao

[low obsidian]

Felt this with Styx also

Where does Styx go off to I wonder

[half cobalt]

the most u could do is steal his quills

[timber pond]

Yes But its still alot. We know WHY they operate (void related incidents) and the HOW is within pairs of steel hearts and confessors> the only actual thing we DONT know is the masters motivation and history. We simply know that they are "similar" to The Lord Of shades as per jinns diolouge in hollow knight. We know basically everything outside f actually getting content where we explore thier base ourselves lol. Also hornet knows how they work before the palyer does.

[toxic mulch]

Absolute chonker

[scenic stirrup]

Give me my silk song pantheon or i will kill sherma chat!

[toxic mulch]

YOU TOUCH THAT BOY AND YOURE DEAD

[low obsidian]

What does that do I don't think I got that

[scenic stirrup]

(threat)

[whole holly]

Steel Clan may be descendants of Ancient Civilization who wanted to turn into shades and be cleansed, but they made Steel Shells for themselves after that

[low obsidian]

It's crazy having a brand new hollow knight game that hasn't been like 95% cracked open yet this is insane

[scenic stirrup]

So is the knight basically their god now

[toxic mulch]

Gives you a different color quill than the one shakra sells

[half cobalt]

if u didnt buy quill from shakra, u can take the red quill he has in his room, purple one if u wait till act 3

[timber pond]

Its likely, but theres more to it if they can Compress Higher beings into Steel Heart servants

[toxic mulch]

But you gotta get to the stage without a quill

[whole holly]

yes, but compared to that we don't know a lot, there is greater knowledge waiting to be shared

[low obsidian]

Huh wow

[weak copper]

Huh..never knew this

[low obsidian]

I would like a purple quill I'm keeping that in mind

Quill palette dlc

[toxic mulch]

Getting to act 3 stage without an updating map sounds like hell

Purple quill% when

[timber pond]

Well yes, Its basically a puzzle thats missing the big center piece, which is "who are the masters" But we know how they work.

[whole holly]

have they actually compressed higher beings into servants? or mentioned if they have done so? or just say that they can?

[low obsidian]

Personally I avoided using the map a lot myself for funsies so I think I could do it

[timber pond]

IF you Deny Zis quest she fully confirms this fact in her diolouge almost like a threat to Hornet

[half cobalt]

the intresting thing is, they are a clan, every steel char we have seen feels like they are a different species

[whole holly]

i feel like master's are Void-empowered higher Beings

[toxic mulch]

The compass never leaves my vesticrest

[half cobalt]

u can only get 1 quill so gl

[toxic mulch]

Tbh what other yellow tools am I really using? Dice and cling? That's still only 2 yellows

[half cobalt]

lol same

[half cobalt]

i use the anklets instead of cling, magnets when roaming

[low obsidian]

Why did Lumble die anyways is he stupid

[toxic mulch]

The yellow tools are really disappointing imo

[half cobalt]

gambling kills

[whole holly]

when did she mention compression though?

[weak copper]

They're useful, but there's should be more of them

[toxic mulch]

Feels like a bunch of just random items instead of a proper item type

[weak copper]

Many crests have two or more Yellow slots but there's not enough of those tools

Compared to Blue or Red

[toxic mulch]

Like beast crest

[atomic dirge]

barb

[toxic mulch]

If beast was 2 blues instead of 2 yellow it'd be insane

[whole holly]

yeah, i think they used to be different species but inside they are shades of theri past selves and have steel exterior that fits

[low obsidian]

Did he not feel weird at all sitting there could he not have moved whatsoever. He's my goat for the dice but L move from him.

[toxic mulch]

I'm not that much of a masochist

[timber pond]

She Says Compression, and how its something she experinced and how you dont want to

[half cobalt]

did he get murdered for winning?

[weak copper]

Yea, would be one of the best crests for every boss for sure. The lack of blue crests was a way to give it a downside

[toxic mulch]

Even one blue crest would make it much nicer

[whole holly]

that's very weird, but hornet is barely higher being

[toxic mulch]

Rn I use reaper for exploration and architect for bosses mostly

[whole holly]

i want Lifeblood Cult in next DLC and Steel hearts

[weak copper]

And the thing is that blue crests are meant for combat mainly

[atomic dirge]

wait wait whuh

[weak copper]

But again, if it had blue crests it would be too op

[timber pond]

She calls hornet a "Pale It"

[atomic dirge]

is Hornet referring to Jiji there??

[timber pond]

So she considers Hornet a Pale being

[half cobalt]

hunter all the way anything else feels wierd

[timber pond]

Probably Jiji

[whole holly]

Pale Being and Pale it, may not be same, hornet may just be pale bug in eyes of Steel Hearts

[half cobalt]

everheard of the butterfly clan? thats what its going to be abt, [thats what it felt like during hive update in hk]

[toxic mulch]

Is hornets shell color the same as the knights? I know that was a big thing about pale beings was they had a very specific color of white

[timber pond]

She is Half Pale Being,so she kind of still counts, and is also why Grandma silk wants her.

[whole holly]

kind of means not fully

[timber pond]

The important part is she Calls her "higher" and says Higher like her can be compressed

[half cobalt]

grandma wants all weavers tbf, not just the pale one

[timber pond]

HIgher means Higher being most certaintly

[timber pond]

Well yeah, but its trial and error for her lol

[whole holly]

still not exclusively higher being, Higher may mean higher caste

[toxic mulch]

Wait,would hornet be 75% higher being? Only 1 of her family separates her from 100%

[half cobalt]

is it? we still dont know wuts the reason for kidnapping us

[whole holly]

hornet would be half higher being half ascended bug

[toxic mulch]

Ah

Oh wait yeah cuz GMS didn't actually birth the weavers

[whole holly]

yeah

[weak copper]

@toxic mulch Just noticed, Beast Crest is the ONLY crest without access to Blue Tools

[toxic mulch]

Well

[whole holly]

worst crest in game

[toxic mulch]

It gets ONE blue tool with vesticrest

[whole holly]

reaper is best

[weak copper]

They all have their strengths but its easy to get campy with the ones you're used to

[vague whale]

yep

[toxic mulch]

I love tool spam with architect

[weak copper]

I used Reaper for most of the game on my first run but I want to expand my horizons....but I ended up using the Hunter crest for most of my Steel Soul run

[whole holly]

second best is architect because of craftbind

[toxic mulch]

Truly the random bullshit go crest

[weak copper]

Oh yea, Architect is pretty good but I haven't used it enough, same with Witch

Haven't used that one enough to give a good assessment

[toxic mulch]

Being able to craft bind saved me in the crawfather fight

[low obsidian]

I'm the freak who attached to the diagonal pogo instantly and just couldn't give it up

[weak copper]

For Hunter or Reaper?

[low obsidian]

Humter

[toxic mulch]

Reaper has a large down pogo

Not a diagonal

It's my go to for platforming because it's got such a forgiving hitbox

[weak copper]

Yea, that helped me a lot with platforming sections. Shaman is better for the Sprintmaster though

[vague whale]

I just like Reaper's Big Attack

[weak copper]

Hmmm, for experts on crests, whats your tier list?

[toxic mulch]

Hmm

[weak copper]

I should do a run where I can't use certain crests, since I used Hunter and Reaper so extensively those can be blocked

[toxic mulch]

I haven't had enough time with witch and shaman to really say where they belong but for the others. Reaper and architect highest tier,followed by wanderer then hunter then beast

[quartz salmon]

this is what ive been saying its what i NEED

[weak copper]

Wanderer above Hunter? Intriquing

[toxic mulch]

Hunter is alright but it's just very bland to me

[weak copper]

I haven't used Wanderer, Steel Soul is not friendly for it

[toxic mulch]

Wanderer is more fun,not necessarily better for combat but much more fun

[native vine]

you can do everything in the game with reaper except flea juggle i hate flea juggle

[toxic mulch]

I did flea juggle with Hunter

[native vine]

same

[weak copper]

Complacent Gaming Syndrome at its finest

Shaman is great for Flea Juggle

[toxic mulch]

Flea juggle is so annoying until you suddenly lock in and go insane

[low obsidian]

I ended up sticking purely to hunter for most of the latter half of the game even after unlocking new crests but I did try out a variety of other builds and i have to say: why did i have to use architect during so much platforming

[toxic mulch]

So is the scrapped crest in the files just an unused version of a current crest or do y'all think it's dlc?

[native vine]

? admittedly i stuck to reaper because i really liked it and found it almost universally useful but when i have the time to replay im doing a wanderer or hunter run

[weak copper]

That's what I mean, once you get it and try it out for a bit, you're hooked on it lol

[native vine]

people have said early ver of hunter crest but idr if thats backed up

[toxic mulch]

I kinda doubt it,the design is VASTLY different

[lapis geode]

The slot placement is too different to be considered hunter.

[low obsidian]

I used it during cogwork core cause it was thematic but mmmmm

[native vine]

caught
ngl my favourite bit about it is that you can uppercut the toggle doors in deep docks with it and neatly fall into the next room
and also the silk collection game you get to play after a bind

[lapis geode]

Also, I already upgrade Hunter to the six eyes.
Not feeling anything different somehow. The gauge mechanic that increase damage is still there.

[native vine]

the actual extra silk is kinda eh to me i think cause the slower atk speed and 3/silk bar doesnt always feel so impactful if the boss isnt just sitting there i just like running around after little dots i feel like pacman

[native vine]

hunters is good if you’re good

[lapis geode]

I just expect something more once I got six eyes..
Not just... same mechanic, but the Crest Ui changed

[native vine]

theres a damage amp of smn like 25-50% though no? would be kinda strange if it became something completely different

[weak copper]

Out of the binding effects that one is pretty low tier wise

[native vine]

id play witch a lot more but i gotta work on my positioning, plus i like being able to heal by myself

though i want to get cursed child ending at some point so i guess i’ll have to get good with it lmao

[weak copper]

Quite harder than Beast to do so healing wise, but that's the main downside with Witch crest

[native vine]

do you think they’ll expand upon that questline at all in future dlc

[weak copper]

Oh, so that's what the last hidden achievement I don't have is

[native vine]

beast’s pogo scares me but ive seen people use it really well

[native vine]

shit i hope i didnt spoil im sorry

[weak copper]

Well, I knew it was going to be something ending related by its positioning but all I know is the name

[native vine]

my lips are sealed

[lapis geode]

I don't even know it is doable.
I just get cursed and say "fuck it" and defeat her

[native vine]

is witch’s art any good? i’d assumed it was middling given its similarity to cyclone slash

[lapis geode]

Later then, I visits some places to cure it

[lapis geode]

Witch is more like "balance" instead of good. The main gimmick is
the explosion healing which is 3x of your needle damage for EVER TENDRILS.

The basic/pogo/running attack is normal.

But the charge can deal about 3 points more damage if you able to hit all

[native vine]

nice

i wonder what yarnaby did to get thrown out given the citadel’s already dubious practices

actually it was probably the mortality rate

[lapis geode]

I will bet on how she is excited when seeing "disgusting things" as the cause.

Which means, she saw The White ward patient as "exciting to treat" cause how disgusting they are
But Citadel saw that as offensive lmaoo~

[fallow spindle]

silkong fans when team cherry releases a dlc with "trek of turmoil" in it (it is torture)

trek of torture probs would make more sense though

[native vine]

coral tower could have been the most beautiful white palace esque platforming section and instead they put an evil gauntlet in it i cant believe they would design a kingdom after the ruling style of its king and not based on my opinion

[native vine]

i also dont really see how the extricator could be used to inject silk tbf

[manic pewter]

so uh ya i think its a mistake

There is no file related the forge daughter called sing

[long gazelle]

kinda curious, why are first sinner and widow the exact same? Same theme, voice, even the attack patterns are similar

[clever rapids]

this would've actually been great

[long gazelle]

Are they the same thing or smth?

[clever rapids]

i mean, same species, why not

[long gazelle]

they just look and act way too similar for this to be a coincidence from how I see it

[clever rapids]

wait till u suddenly notice that ||greyroot & white lady|| may be the same species

[long gazelle]

im not even that far into the game, having just fought the ||cogwork dancers||, and the more I find out about the game the more I want to know the lore

By the way, how’s the spoilering work? What’s considered a spoiler?

[rocky anvil]

Ok so

[tiny socket]

The art does the theoretical most damage of them all iirc

[rocky anvil]

With the cutscene at the end of ||act 3|| and the ||Red Memory|| sequence, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that silksong takes place ||after Hollow Knight, specifically one of the 2 Godmaster endings from the fact we see the Lord of the Void in the final cutscene||

[native vine]

but so does cyclone slash in base game its just that you typically get interrupted

[tiny socket]

The arts pretty much all suck in terms of damage for the risk to use them, however witch has a few circumstances where it really shines

[native vine]

its a sequel pretty sure dnm is also possible, etv is just most conclusive

[rocky anvil]

Dnm? ETV?

[tiny socket]

The shade lord is just the peak version of the knights shade right? Considering there’s no set timeframe between the games, I’d argue that the shade lord could have naturally come into being after a period of time in the void. That means that the only ending that’s highly unlikely is THK

[tiny socket]

Dream no more, embrace the void

[rocky anvil]

It's more so got to do with the attunement from the Godmasters helping to bring form and focus to the void

[tiny socket]

Ok

[native vine]

godseekers definitely expedite the process but idk if we can fully rule out DNM

void can gain form by itself

[robust wagon]

Common misconception, it's actually called void given focus, not void given form

[ebon silo]

Isn't it both because theres 2 entities

[robust wagon]

Well are we talking about shade lord or super-shade-knight? (With the long arms)

[weak copper]

Anyone know about that odd ledge near the coral tower at the top of the area?

[ebon silo]

I just opened the app so I'm gonna assume the shade lord

[robust wagon]

Alright then

[noble magnet]

did I cook with this analysis

Has anyone said this b4

[ivory forum]

is there like

a list of all the higher beings we know of from hollow knight and silksong

[ebon silo]

I mean

Pale king
White lady
Radiance
Grandmother silk
Hornet weaver queen ending?
I think unn?
Bardoon?
I'm not even sure if godseekers are higher beings
The shade lord
The void..lord? The other ending for the knight

[ivory forum]

oh dang silksong just added one

does the palestag count?

[ebon silo]

i don't think palestag is a higher being just because it's called a pale

It is simply too weak too frail

karmelita managed to rival hornet herself but for the palestag not even

[muted rover]

when i equip witch, i don't want to equip silkskills

[ebon silo]

also guys I feel like during the final phase of the radiance the OST changes I think in my headcanon that's the godseekers crest being attuned

For the DNM I think it's just filler

[ivory forum]

i think the hunters journal implies that the version of it we fight is not the real version of it

[ebon silo]

I can't see image but I'm going to assume this is about palestag it did said myth came true or something it could've been an above average but for all we know

[ivory forum]

the plaestag is like the most dream warrior of all silksong bosses

maybe along with voltvyrn

[eternal yew]

I got the feeling that the Stag is far more grand and far more imposing because of the importance that Green Prince places on it, due to its symbolism in the progression of his and the Dancer’s relationship

That’s just my 2 cents tho

[ivory forum]

it does seem pale beings are just an upgraded version of normal beings

like the palestag and possibly white lady?

[terse warren]

Well Palestag is an inaccurate memory

And honestly if the only real evidence for a theory is something we know to not even be as we see it, there might as well be no evidence

[native vine]

the void tendrils are abyss given form, no? i wasn’t talking about the idol thing

[manic pewter]

what makes you say its inaccurate? Like i know verdania is idealised but what about palestag specifically?

[terse warren]

Its journal entry

[manic pewter]

ah yep thats fair

[terse warren]

Technically Pale Lurker is right there but I've elected to ignore it

In that case it's clearly a title and not a characteristic

[tawny dirge]

why flea fluffy

[manic pewter]

soft

[eternal cove]

Idea to trap Grand Mother Silk without Act 3 happening

1. Bind her power, but don't go all the way - stop before you lose yourself

2. Use the Needolin to activate the trap

3. Silk is sent to the void, and because you binded most of her power, she cannot hold the void back and is quickly killed

[terse warren]

I don't think that's how it works, and GMS would probably find the strength to hold out anyways if for a shorter amount of time

[eternal cove]

TBH I don't see why Hornet binding Silk would necessarily perpetuate the Haunting

We see in the true ending
The Knight didn't lose themselves

Why would Hornet, who is arguably more of a complete person than the Knight, necessarily lose herself

[terse warren]

The knight never bound anyone?

Also it's Hornet's instincts taking over, she says so

[eternal cove]

Nah but they became the new god of the void

And they still possessed reason enough to hold the void back from killing Hornet

[terse warren]

The Knight has the Void Heart which "Unifies the Void under the bearer's will"

No reason at all to assume they would lose any reason

[timber wharf]

man what are y'alls theories on Gurr?

He has a Karmelita guard on display, and hornet mentions he wanted to test himself

[steep talon]

hes a bitch ass mfer

sorry that's not a theory

[timber wharf]

my theory is that he is a trapper, a hunter, who loved to test himself and his traps so much, that he started trapping even fellow ants, which led him to be exiled, and therefore becoming an outcast

that's my theory

[steep talon]

being outcast means being mottled, no? It's seems to be a condition from birth, at least I read it as such

[pseudo gazelle]

My question is where he got a grand reed

[silk vector]

What’s Mister Mushrooms deal? Is he just present wherever important stuff is happening? It seems like he has multiple bodies but only one mind, which would explain why he seems to talk to no one all the time.

If someone found mister mushroom while he was talking to Hornet, they probably would’ve heard the conversation

[steep talon]

yep, shows up when a big event is happening, as in "the passing of an age". Probably has multiple bodies, but it's hard to tell cause he talked to TC's previous games protags in HK, and it would be weird for those to be canon to HK

[fresh igloo]

He is a herald

[fresh igloo]

I don't think it's multiple bodies, I think he can just move like that. I mean he can fly

[steep talon]

i think Shrew assumes multiple bods because Mr. Mushroom talks to people that arent there. I mean he could be just high on mushrooms too, i guess

[half cobalt]

i have a theory, zote is a cursed being [the same curse hornet got] who came to hollownest to get more silk, "proof":

life ender is made from shellwood
shellwood has greyworm
zote's title is grey prince zote
hornet survives by suppressing the curse using her silk
we see zote in deepnest, which was the last know place of the weavers [aka silk]
zote is significantly weaker than what he claims,
hornet becomes weak after being cursed

idk what this means but it kinda makes sense

[timber wharf]

maybe he lured one from the citadel? or from a patrol? he managed to lure hornet from bellhart by stealing a kid's toy so

why did it autocorrect kid to girl?

[half cobalt]

wtf

[steep talon]

i think Hornet says that she managed to survive the parasite because of her shell, and then yarnaby tried to remove it which weakened it enough for Hornet to absorb? i guess?

shelwood(flora) is probably just naturally occuring and isnt specific to just shelwood(region)

[timber wharf]

yeah my autocorrect is hella weird

the other day I was talking about this very same quest and it corrected toy to boy lmao, speaking of is it just me or is that doll familiar?

[pseudo gazelle]

It's just that the grand reeds don't seem like they'd leave the citadel, and for what purpose? Most of the choir we see outside of the citadel are the reeds and choristors, and those are seen in places like the shellwood shrine and bilehaven. The "elites" often stay in the citadel if you know what i mean, though I'm not ruling the possibility out

[steep talon]

prolly just a mossfly plushie

[steep talon]

maybe for weaver hunts they leave. although cages only mention Reeds, not grand Reeds weirdly enough

[pseudo gazelle]

The grass doll looks like gilly (the questgiver for said toy's retrieval)

[pseudo gazelle]

Maybe the choir also responds to "great powers" within pharloom. Nyleth and Groal seem like they could get the attention of the citadel, and the fact that Gurr's hideout is quite close to where we find Karmelita may mean the Choir was looking for her?

[half cobalt]

id say the curse consumes silk given u cant heal or have any amount of silk, as for shellwood i dont think they wouldve mentioned it if it was a common material, and zote having the title grey for no reason makes no sense

[timber wharf]

hmmmmm, wait, what if he has been to the cidadel? he could have gotten in from the outside through the memorium, trapped one there, and brought it back? since the memorium is full of wild settings he would be familiar with the environment and able to set traps there

[steep talon]

it would makes sense the citadel and skarrs fought at some point, but that must have been so long ago, like ages and ages

[terse warren]

Racism

He's one of 3 mottled ants

The vendor gets killed by other Skarrs

The training room guy probably killed other Skarrs

Gurr is obvious

[steep talon]

i wouldnt say it consumes silk, Hornet uses silk and parasite prevents the heal. Imagine if muckmaggots had a way to do that, so they could stay on Hornet.

and yeah, i think Zote having a title grey isnt anything. He refers to himself as Zote the mighty, it's only Bretta that calls him a grey prince, unless im forgetting something

[timber wharf]

...HOW DID I NOT REALIZE THAT!? also what is it with the mottled ants? are they like a different tribe or a different and species?

[timber wharf]

I mean, the parasite ||Grows a lot when it absorbs grand mother silk's silk||

[pseudo gazelle]

Likely a mutation

[terse warren]

No clue

My favorite theory so far is it's some kind of genetic illness/mutation

[amber tinsel]

Why does grandma need Hornet? Are there any explanations pre act 3? She needs her to wake up or to extend grandmas lifespan? This is a bit inconsistent in my opinion because she’s an actual god who can make bugs sentient but is incapable of living without some hornets powers

[steep talon]

mottled means being born with spots, mottled skarrs have spots. There is something more with them though. They seem to still be able to hear Karmellitas song where other ants are on that GMS grindset.

[timber wharf]

maybe the skarr attack mottled ants because the haunting makes them do so since they aren't controlled by silk yet?

[half cobalt]

fair but i still do think silk helps supress the curse given the ending

[half cobalt]

its like bullying ppl with vitiligio[not exactly]

[timber wharf]

maybe in their tribe they see those spots as signs of inpurity or something?

[steep talon]

to absorb her silken strength or so Lace says. My headcannon is she's actually getting silk for Lace, cause I think she genuinely loves her, although that's not really supported by anything, just a headcannon

[half cobalt]

or weakness given some animals become weaker after molting, no idea abt ants or bugs

[steep talon]

it's not molting, it's mottled funnily enough

[half cobalt]

wha... then is it exactly like vitiligo?

[timber wharf]

speaking of that, is it just me or is GMS opposite to the pale king in many ways? like PK was an amazing ruler apparenlty but was an god awful parent, while GMS was an tyranical awful ruler but loved completely their children, to the point where ||she is willing to sacrifice herself for lace||

[steep talon]

being mottled is a real thing that happens in animals yes. Vitiligo is a specific condition

[half cobalt]

cool

[steep talon]

maybe, although she does kill Weavers who she also considered her children, maybe she just wants complete obidience

[timber wharf]

yk those things snakes do where they throw away their skin to get a new better one? that's it apparently (I just googled)

[half cobalt]

thats molting mate apparently its not tht, its mottled it seems

[timber wharf]

I mean, didn't the weavers kind of betray her and mess with the void too? I'm not saying she is good or anything just saying I can see why she would hate the weavers

[half cobalt]

phantom

[half cobalt]

widow

[timber wharf]

yeah I just remembered her lmao, lace was the golden child

[steep talon]

Im not sure wanting to kill a tyrant is like betrayal, more like getting sick of them

[timber wharf]

Yeah with that agree, I said it like that cuz I am still not sure if she was already a tyrant by weaver time, maybe she was like a good leader? but then again there is that one first sinner like (the she lied one)

[half cobalt]

if one moment of good deed can erase life time of shitty parenthood with favoritism, then pale king would get the pass too uk with the whole hollow knight thing

[steep talon]

dont think GMS was ever "good". The best thing she did is sac herself for Lace in that ending

[timber wharf]

nonono I don't mean that, I mean I literally forgot that phantom was their child too for a second there, dude I remember when I first fought her I didn't know her lore and I already felt bad for her lol

[timber wharf]

you know shit's fucked when the best thing you did was die (even if it was a sacrifice)

[steep talon]

yeah, lmao

[half cobalt]

pale king wasnt the best ruler either per say, but uk comparatively better than grandma

[polar vault]

gang i have a question
which HK ending is the one silksong follows?

[timber wharf]

btw does anyone have any idea what's up with GMS's added body parts? did the weavers tear them off when they sealed her? (this is my headcannon)

[hollow fog]

dream no more or embrace the void

[polar vault]

which one tho

[hollow fog]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[polar vault]

anyone knows?

[steep talon]

either works

[polar vault]

alright thanks

[steep talon]

probly were always there. At least would make sense why this brass metal is so prominent in citadel, they fashioned it after GMS

[simple hedge]

My guess is likely embrace the void, since we see the Void Given Focus

[untold obsidian]

we also see Void Given Form

[simple hedge]

True, but Void Given Form is a part of Void Given Focus, no? I'm thinking Void Given Form appeared most prominently because it is a far more familiar face to Hornet as opposed to the massive Shade Lord

[amber tinsel]

Why does grandma need Hornet? Are there any explanations pre act 3? She needs her to wake up or to extend grandmas lifespan? This is a bit inconsistent in my opinion because she’s an actual god who can make bugs sentient but is incapable of living without some hornets powers

[sinful nimbus]

More silk generation

Lace and the haunting both require a lot of silk

[untold obsidian]

regardless of the reason it appeared like that, I prefer dream no more being canon since it makes Hornet's lines about sacrifice, life and gods falling carry far more weight

[simple hedge]

It is also a non-dlc ending, and is a better setup as well

[simple hedge]

Well she's been hunting the Weavers since they betrayed her, and Hornet is very pure when it comes to Weavers. My guess is that since she is Half Weaver Half Wyrm, she has powers/potential that GMS would like to bind to herself. She also probably doesn't want to be usurped like in Weaver Queen ending, so she wants to get rid of Hornet

[flat wolf]

SHE enslaved the weavers she is not a good parent

[flat wolf]

i think its like dragonball the knight can switch forms at will depends if he wants the shades be individuals are completely fuse with them and the abyss

[simple hedge]

Yeah GMS was a pretty bad parent, since she made the Weavers, told them they were divine, but they were just common pharlids given sentience and power, then made them work for her

[flat wolf]

cuz shade lord saves hornet you can literally see the claws attacking the void tentacles that is 100% the shade lord

[timber wharf]

oh I tought she just created and caredfor them like they were their children

[flat wolf]

she did but then enslaved

then they broke free trapped her

and she created lace and phantom

[timber wharf]

btw does anyone have any clue as to what this memento means? should WATE should just have stood watch until his population was reborn somehow?

[timber wharf]

that makes sense

[simple hedge]

I suppose so? I was thinking that WATE didn't know that his entire civilization was gone, reduced to statues around their dead king, so he was guarding nothing but thought he was guarding something

[zinc pivot]

Its funny his name abbrev to Water without R

The R must be Rivers because they lost it

[timber wharf]

maybe he was assigned there after the land began to dry? and they expected the water and life to come back later?

[zinc pivot]

Probably
The spot he watched look like some sort of shoreline too

[drifting hamlet]

So what exactly did the snail shamans do with the snare at the end of act 2? What were they hoping for

[zinc pivot]

Exactly what happened at the end of act 2
Void shows up and drag Silk in

What they didn’t hope for, is Silk actually having strength to resist

[past cypress]

More specifically, a reason to resist

[drifting hamlet]

Is that just because using void was the only way they knew of to restrain grandmother silk, or was there something that else to their plan

[past cypress]

Silk would've been taken by the void either way she can't break out, she can only delay it which she did so Hornet could save Lace

[zinc pivot]

That’s all that is

[drifting hamlet]

Ok. In that case why does saving Lace end the void apocalypse

[fallen hornet]

F LORE SHAWKRA IS THE LORE

[zinc pivot]

Because Silk can finally accept death, with her daughter out of the void safely

[past cypress]

Because Silk stops resisting her silk disappears and so does the void

[drifting hamlet]

Ok, thanks

[ember river]

Because GMS gives up and dies to the void

The void only spreads through the silk threads

[ember river]

I think Khann was still alive, by how he dies after the heart is obtained, so I think they were meant to awaken at some point

[timber wharf]

Holy hell I never tought about that, maybe they were in hibernation until water came back somehow?

[zinc pivot]

It oughta be the case

[ember river]

Most of them were dead dead, since they break like statues and don't die as WATE, Khann or the memory ones

But I think they were meant to just hibernate, some creatures are able to do that

Judges for example seem to be able to resist in some kind of stasis

Would be funny if squirrms were like tardigrades in that regard and it carried over into their later forms

[zinc pivot]

Makes me wonder if squirrms used to be part of the Karak folk

Though yes i do know they were the coral judges during early development

[ember river]

They don't look the part, but they seem to originate from the Blasted Steps, so it could well be the case

Alternatively, maybe it's a species that appeared after Karak dried up, so they were the ones who adapted to the new environment

Oh? Could you send a picture, please?

This is very interesting

Thanks

I'd look for it myself but I'm on phone right now

[zinc pivot]

Thought he would be standing actually

[ember river]

That's very interesting, the gold plating on the floor is something I hadn't paid enough attention either

Or the fact that there's an elevator

Maybe I should revisit my understanding of karak's timeline

[zinc pivot]

What did you have in mind so far?

[velvet yarrow]

probably been asked before but, how is it possible that the green prince is still alive and doing well all things considered, if verdania seems so ancient?
the timeline isn't super clear to me, his land was choked to death by the citadel cutting the water supply to verdania, and him and his partner worked as the inspiration for the cogwork dancers, so this means they must have been around a long time ago around when the citadel was first built by the architects and weavers no?

[solemn grove]

What's the lore of Wisp Thicket?

[zinc pivot]

We actually do not know what caused Verdania to die out, the water thing is a theory
And Verdania can still grow back, considering clovers bloom after we took the conjoined heart

[zinc pivot]

A sort of pagan cult worshipping fire, using it to burn away the silk

[limpid summit]

We aren’t really sure but some bugs are just long lived, verdanians could age better than Skarr
Or he and his lover were young princes while Karmelita fell when she was older

[zinc pivot]

And maybe a glimpse of greymoor before it became polluted by silk rain and citadel smog

[rustic tundra]

guys wtf is skynx about

[limpid summit]

Nosk

We don’t actually really know but there’s a few reasons why he might be a member of nosk’s species

[dire sinew]

why do bugs get the haunting i forgot

[rustic tundra]

Yeah I figured something along the lines of that because of his claws

[zinc pivot]

Another example of long living bugs is the mantis lords, with how long dryya has been protecting the queen from traitor lord, one who came from their same generation

[velvet yarrow]

the thing is, at least from what is shown through environmental storytelling, verdania seems REALLY old, way older than the other abandoned areas in the game, so even comparing karmelita seems a bit of a stretch

[ember river]

That it fell before the creation of the Citadel, opposing GMS directly, or alternatively very early on.
Either way, they would've been the first "lesser kingdom" to fall in my mind

[limpid summit]

Very true

[ember river]

We don't know how ancient Verdania is, it seems rather recent

[zinc pivot]

Silk entered their body
Through consumption of food, passed from birth, and direct insertion
That silk served as GMS’ puppet strings

[limpid summit]

Lost Verdania doesn’t really seem any more run down than like Khann’s palace

[velvet yarrow]

as per the words of khan, they were the last to fall to the haunting

and they fell long ago

[ember river]

I think the time difference in HK was far less than in SS, we get a lot of characters who lived in Hallownest's prime still kicking around or recently departed, like Ogrim, Dryya, Emilitia and the mantis

[limpid summit]

We can’t fully be sure those may just be long lived bugs

Elderbug is an elder of his species and he doesn’t remember anything from old Hallownest

[dire sinew]

oh i thought there was like some quality of their mind that made them prone to being haunted

like the infection

[golden olive]

emilitia makes 0 sense to me

[whole holly]

can ienter verdania in act 2?

[golden olive]

nah

[zinc pivot]

No, verdania only opens in act 3

[ember river]

I don't take it as them being the last of the lessers, especially since the kingdom seems much more ancient

[zinc pivot]

Perhaps one of the details that throws me off the most
Bug age discrepancy

It’s like reading Tolkiens shit all over again

[velvet yarrow]

idk, didn't feel that way to me, maybe it's the color filter being almost black and white that gives me that impression, even in other areas with dead plants such as where you find the twisted bud, it's at least a little more saturated and green

[zinc pivot]

Twisted bud is the worst example of death

[vocal compass]

Green prince is probably not thst old

[noble magnet]

Isn’t there also the kingdom’s stasis to take into account

[limpid summit]

That’s prolly not literal

[velvet yarrow]

the pollution resulting in the transformation and creation of bilewater seems to be something that has been happening for a while, should be about as old as the citadel itself no?

[noble magnet]

As long as they’ve been pumping sewage into their waters

[vocal compass]

It doesn't feel like a transformation that must've taken a LOT of time

[velvet yarrow]

i'm not sure i understand what you mean, but i do think this implies that verdania fell before the spiral tower folk

[velvet yarrow]

i think so, given that the inhabitants are uniquely evolved to coexist with maggot infested water like it's nothing

[vocal compass]

I think the coral place is way older than verdania. How long do you think green prince was in that cell? Or not older, but the fall happened long ago

[velvet yarrow]

verdania seems to be the first to have fallen, the fact the princes were used to create the cogwork dancer automatons also implies their involvement took place earlier in the timeline rather than later

[vocal compass]

Are the cogwork dancers really that old tho?

They don't apear to be ancient

[velvet yarrow]

that's what i'm wondering about, how is it that he lived this long

[ember river]

They seem very recent, from the time of the Conductor's Final Edict, I'd say

[zinc pivot]

It’s difficult to say, since defeating them was the only way to open the elevator and the quest of threefold melody

[ember river]

Which would be very, very recent

Verdania probably fell before the Skarrs since the Skarr tribe seems to have fallen mainly to the Haunting, judging by the journal entries

But the idea of the Karak tower falling after the haunting seems very strange to me

[velvet yarrow]

but they literally say that in the needolin dialogue

[vocal compass]

We don't really know the current state of verdania, sure the entrance is gray and ruined but thst is like 2 feet from greymoor

[whole holly]

verdania feels like Shellwood where it was mostly Forest with inhabitants having traditions, compared to Karmelita and khan having established rule of land

[velvet yarrow]

they say they were the last that could stand against the citadel or something

[ember river]

They say they are the last ones against GMS, I assumed they fell when GMS was still kicking around freely

[ember river]

To my knowledge they don't mention the citadel

[vocal compass]

Well there where definitely a more civilised people in verdania than shellwood.

[zinc pivot]

An interesting question is, did GMS directly confront the tribes?
Or she created Weavers and they were her soldiers?

[vocal compass]

Weavers were probably earlier creations

[ember river]

The only tribe that may or may not have directly fought against GMS is the Karak one and we don't really know the answer

[vocal compass]

Oh I missread

[velvet yarrow]

right, pale light

[whole holly]

yes i guess they had temple and all of that

[steep talon]

well if green prince ever saw gms, he was really close to just going in and smacking her

[vocal compass]

And a monarchy, shellwood is just, a wood, with animals

[velvet yarrow]

coughing baby vs nuclear bomb

[ember river]

And probably getting smitten in the process

[steep talon]

nah, he clears trust

[whole holly]

i was disappointed that Moss Grotto wasn't more advanced and civilized considering haunting didn't reach there is much, scrapped content included Moss Temple

[zinc pivot]

GMS too thicc, it made GP straight again

[ember river]

He isn't even that big of a threat, in his prime, with an intangible ghost boyfriend

[steep talon]

not scientifically possible

[whole holly]

it has Shrine and Nyleth is being guarded by Seth, Nyleth is basically Monarch so how exactly is verdania more advanced? do they have industry?

[vocal compass]

It was a joke

[zinc pivot]

Well silk couldve
Extract the genetics manually and infuse her silk to make a half homunculus

[ember river]

What do you mean Nyleth is a monarch?

[zinc pivot]

But topic for another day another mind

[steep talon]

yes, and im continuing the joke?

[velvet yarrow]

i still think it's pretty clear the khan and his people was the last to fall to the haunting

[zinc pivot]

Haunting is the control of silk in existing body though

[ember river]

Verdania was never haunted to begin with, nor is there the slightest indications of the Karak tribe being Haunted

[zinc pivot]

You mean the GMS conquest

[whole holly]

not exactly but she has dedicated shrine and some authority since she is guarded by seth, maybe not monarch but religious figure

[ember river]

False.
The haunting is made much easier with pre-existing silk, but it can hijack your body either way

[velvet yarrow]

but we can see the threads looming over the khan's throne

[steep talon]

yee, I guess that was before citadel started injecting themselves. I guess that means skarrs got the haunting by eating piligrims, is that right?

[vocal compass]

Yes but there isn't signs of a developed society

[ember river]

And yet there are no haunted karak soldiers at all, while there are plenty of skarrs

[vocal compass]

Seed creates forest, seed is guarded

[ember river]

It makes no sense by any stretch of the imagination that the Karaks fell after the Skarrs

[whole holly]

sign is shrine, which had to be developed by society

[zinc pivot]

From the learned pilgrim tablet it seems that silk shows up in everything though
In a micro plastic way

[ember river]

The shrine was part of a pact with the citadel

[steep talon]

agree, skarrs seem to be the most recent once

[ember river]

Could you refresh me on that tablet?

[whole holly]

can you provide source for that?

[ember river]

Not currently, I'm on phone, but I'd swear it was one of the, what, five? Nyleth related dialogue

Maybe the clue the snails give you

[velvet yarrow]

that's true but that might've been due to other circumstances

[steep talon]

Snail Shamans: "We'd heard the Citadel once made grudging accord with that creature, sent their servants in reverence, even built a shrine up there somewhere."

when searching for nyleth heart

[ember river]

Ah, yes it was

[vocal compass]

It makes sense, because who would've built the shrine? The flowers?

[steep talon]

flower power

[foggy fractal]

yes CM : We'd heard the Citadel once made grudging accord with that creature, sent their servants in reverence, even built a shrine up there somewhere. Maybe it's worth you searching for it?

whoops someone beat me to it

[open dragon]

Soooo the Godmaster ending is canon right?

[foggy fractal]

is there other dialogue besides this one I wonder

[steep talon]

did anyone figure whats that thing under widow cloak mask, it's visible in few frames, but I cant make sense of it?

[ember river]

Not necessarily

[open dragon]

Delicate flower most likely?

[foggy fractal]

give an image

[ember river]

It's left ambiguous between EtV and DNM, showcasing elements from both

[steep talon]

dream no more, or embrace the void - yee

[whole holly]

still, Nyleth is given reverence and authority and Shellwood is developer because of her Religious importance so it still counts

[ember river]

Also there's zero reason why DF is more canon over EtV

[ember river]

Oh yeah, I'd guess that was about the Haunting, since it affects even the common beasts.
I don't think there needs to be silk within them prior to be haunted, though

[steep talon]

this thing, it is consistent. It appears in several frames

[open dragon]

And yeah Sister of the Void is 112% Canon and if Team Cherry says all endings are canon again for Silksong im gonna actually scream

[ember river]

The canon ending is cursed child

[foggy fractal]

no idea
either something to due with the pins lodged in her spine or just like a plate or smth

[vocal compass]

The best ending

[silk vector]

Who lodged pins in Widow?

[ember river]

Seemingly other weavers

[steep talon]

i was thinking it could be plate, it also goes onto her shoulders in few frames, real weird

[ember river]

Maybe it's her tongue from her true face

[steep talon]

pins!?!? damn pinstresses are fucking ancient

[steep talon]

no, it kinda looks like two diamond shapes on her shoulders, so prolly not

[zinc pivot]

Pins are traditional pharloom weaponry

[silk vector]

Why did they do that to Widow?

[vocal compass]

Did they? What did i miss?

[ember river]

A variant of them is also used in hallownest, the pinblades used by the soul warriors

[ember river]

Presumably to punish her from supporting GMS or preventing her from releasing her or some shit

[zinc pivot]

We assume that she was against the effort of sealing Silk, and was crucified so she couldn’t foil their plan

[silk vector]

Oh yeah, that makes sense

[steep talon]

just like nails are considered highly in hallownest, shame not much came out of that. I used to think nailmaster order taught hallownest to use nails

[open dragon]

You guys think Hornet takes double damage from almost everything cuz she's made of like paper? Or is Pharloom's haunting just that strong compare to like the Infection? Lol

[steep talon]

i think it's just balance, 3 mask heal is reaally strong

[steep talon]

more specific example, hornet mentions several times that the reason she survives is because of her shell

like parasite would have overtook her if it wasnt for her shell

[open dragon]

Make that 4 mask heal with Multibinder, bonus points with Injector Band :3

[steep talon]

i think there's like a dialogue about muckmaggots also

[ember river]

Well, many of the creatures that deal 2 masks actually just hit you twice, so I guess they're just more agile

[echo trellis]

Crawfather lore?

[ember river]

You can see that very clearly with the magnetite dice

[zinc pivot]

I mean take a look at things she took double damage from
A GIANT ant bone blade
A GIANT Beastfly with presumably sharp carapace
A slap from a GIANT automaton
A claw slash from a GIANT splinter
A GIANT Deep Docks worker charging at her
A GIANT Roachkeeper punching her with a coil of heavy steel chains
An exposion of VOLATILE bile liquid
A slash from a GIANT Reed

[ember river]

He rules over the craw tribes

[zinc pivot]

I think the giant size scales up with damage

[echo trellis]

Too bad it doesn’t give you any silk for another heal

Court of craws lore?

[ember river]

Also the beastfly is the apex predator of the entire world of Hollow Knight

[ember river]

You can stack two heals with spool extender or maxed spool fragments

[zinc pivot]

Before whatever the Skull Tyrants skull came from

[steep talon]

they're just bugs that formed a legal system, more mafia than actual le.. actually just mafia

[open dragon]

Wait when she binds her wounds, is it like a band aid instead of like fully healing her wounds kind of like the knight? I remember someone saying its like that but i dont think its mentioned in game

[zinc pivot]

I think it speeds up natural regen

[echo trellis]

Law system in Silksong?

[ember river]

I'd assume binding is just a Weaver's way of focusing soul, with the particularity that the form it takes is that of a thread

[steep talon]

silk is divine and connected to soul. Citadel bugs use it to be immortal, so it probably has some healing properties at least

[vocal compass]

So you think silk is just soul?

[ember river]

More like "we think you're a fucked up and evil person that sent doom upon us so we're gonna wack you"

[ember river]

Silk IS just soul woven into a thread

[zinc pivot]

I mean
Its literally in the materium description
Woven from users soul

[ember river]

It's stated as such somewhere, it's been brought up several times

[vocal compass]

Oh ok, i never read the materium

Probably should

[echo trellis]

Why is fourth Chorus in farfields?

[zinc pivot]

Think of them in a mad max way

Hunting Seamstress

[steep talon]

was sent to attack seamstress most likely

[ember river]

The wiki says it was sent to kill the seamstress

[zinc pivot]

See that pin? Yeah her pin

It sees us having the signature pinstress cloak and fucking woke up

[echo trellis]

Why the seam stress what did she do?

[vocal compass]

That makes a lot of sense, never thought of that

[steep talon]

she's in the order of pinstresses, who dont have good relations with citadel anymore

[vocal compass]

Mayne she was thought of as a threat

[open dragon]

What's this guy's deal anyways?

[zinc pivot]

Not just seamstress, the citadel was manhunting the order of Pinstress
Presumably to shut down potential rebel elements

[ember river]

The three pinstress sisters taught a bunch of bugs of the citadel how to fight and then they got sought after because they didn't want to join their cult

[vocal compass]

Makes mask

[tall tartan]

What kind of bugs are the Craws? I know they are cosplaying crows/birds for some reason, but is there anything in-game that hints at the type of bugs they might be underneath?

[vocal compass]

What more do you want?

[ember river]

No

[zinc pivot]

I dont think they have a biological equivalent
They are just bugs that happen to look like crows

[echo trellis]

Crawbugs

[zinc pivot]

Like, look at moor bugs and sinners road bugs

[open dragon]

Idk make me custom masks? Lol, no but fr i think he's neat, he even commented on the birb up on Mount Fay

[steep talon]

their beak is like proboscus of a mosquito, i think one of the TC blogs described them in more detail

[zinc pivot]

I doubt it since the squits are the mosquitoes

Look at those long probocis

[echo trellis]

Crawfather has the coolest design of any boss

[vocal compass]

He is involved in a quest. It is actually kinda cool to se the pharloom mask maker.

[steep talon]

i dont think craws are mosquitos, just that their beak is actually supposed to be a proboscus

[zinc pivot]

Does a water mound have agricultural significance?

[steep talon]

true!

[ember river]

Fourth chorus is pretty good, with the searchlight eyes and the general feeling

[echo trellis]

Both mask makers are so chill

[zinc pivot]

How old are them mask maker

[ember river]

But I'm just a sucker for robots

[ember river]

Very old

[zinc pivot]

They know and see the nature of old ones

[vocal compass]

Nah phantom

[zinc pivot]

They apparently can perceive the void too

[tall tartan]

Their "beak" to me looks aesthetic rather than phenotypical. Not quite like other proboscis-wielding bugs we've seen before in Hallownest and Pharloom

[vocal compass]

They just want to help

[open dragon]

I love how on one of thr deep dock enemies, Hornet comments on how much more advanced Pharloom feels compare to Hallownest, so much impressive technologies and robots being made, its crazy lol

[echo trellis]

Greymoor has the most diverse enemy types

[ember river]

Not to mention it's said that the metal beaks of the court of craws are worn IIRC

[zinc pivot]

Understandable

[ember river]

Pharloom lasted longer, Hallownest was starting to build automata

[tall tartan]

Strapped to their faces like party hats over their noses, lol

[ember river]

We find the miner golems in crystal peaks

[open dragon]

Okay yeah tru, Hallownest was only just starting out building automatas

[tall tartan]

But fr, if they were crawbugs/crawfish/crayfish/whatever you wanna call them, I'd expect to see antennae and claws, tbh

[open dragon]

Fourth Chorus is also an impressive feat for Pharloom's case

[ember river]

Plus the Pale King made kingsmoulds and wingsmoulds, which are some of the most refined constructs we've seen, and could pass for common bugs if you're not expecting them

[zinc pivot]

Shame that PK couldn’t make more of those void automatons

[ember river]

Not to mention wingsmoulds are actually indestructible

[vocal compass]

But pharloom had the tube.

[ember river]

What tube

[zinc pivot]

Ventrica?

[ember river]

Didn't it kill a boatload of people?

[zinc pivot]

Those pneumatic tubes are considered a hazard btw

[open dragon]

Oh yeah the Ventricas, express way tubes for the Citadel residents i believe, or only for the workers

[vocal compass]

I mean. It is cool

[zinc pivot]

Hornet lives though because shes tough af

[steep talon]

it is pretty... tubular

[vocal compass]

Can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs

[zinc pivot]

Those aren’t bug eggs no longer

That’s bug ground meat

kesplat

[ember river]

They still didn't manage to make it work

[open dragon]

I was gonna ask "do Crawbugs lay eggs or live birth" but then i realized, yeah duh Birds also lay eggs lmao

[zinc pivot]

It’s strange they can’t adopt the silklight elevator

[tall tartan]

Maybe the Craws are caddisflies? They seem to share a lot of similarities with moths, which would explain the avian fixation they have

[ember river]

Could be? I don't think every single bug is based on a real one though

[tall tartan]

Yeah, they usually are very loosely-themed

[echo trellis]

Craws are just mini crows

[zinc pivot]

Yeah HK generic bugs rarely resemble specific bugs

[steep talon]

moths

[vocal compass]

Because of those stupid unions. They would've worked if you just, work on it some more

[zinc pivot]

Like i said craws are simply bugs that references crows

[echo trellis]

Bellbeast is a big Tik tik

[open dragon]

I love how in Hollow Knight we met 3 Nailmasters and in Silksong we met 3 Pinstresses, sadly 2 of them being alive, the other sister died back at like Putrified Ducts

[steep talon]

it's probably some weird grom

[open dragon]

Watch as the Godhome equivalent DLC comes out and we get to fight the other 2 Pinstresses

[vocal compass]

Like we do in hk!

[zinc pivot]

Groms aren’t even worms

What the hell are those things

[steep talon]

that'd be peak, in their citadel attire could be cool. But ill keep exectations low, we never fought iselda or rest of the five knights

[steep talon]

they are worms, doesnt hornet call them worms? Or you mean like they arent similar to irl worms?

[open dragon]

We were also suppose to get this dude but once again, he got scrapped :')

Watch him be a scary Steel Soul exclusive boss

[ember river]

Wyrms

[cedar skiff]

the backer boss in the room

[steel turret]

The seamstress took down a full-strength fourth chorus, she must be a BEAST

[steep talon]

i mean it is a backer one, so he will return most likely

[vocal compass]

Dlc🙏

[ember river]

Could be DLC, he's a backer boss so we don't really know

[cedar skiff]

i like the theory that dlc will see us fighting the other two pinstress in the past

[steep talon]

or fuck it give me Hollow Knight: VoidSteel the Sharpe adventure

[steel turret]

Do we think the pinstresses are craw or stilkin?

[open dragon]

Oh shoot, that's what the sword pin was from on his neck??? I thought the sword pin was Lace lol

[zinc pivot]

More stilkin to me

[lethal burrow]

why would they be craw

[zinc pivot]

Craws don’t even have big enough eyes

[ember river]

Seem much closer to stilkin

[zinc pivot]

That’s what many have thought until the connection to pinstress was made

[atomic dirge]

hell there's a stilkin-dressed sister of the pinstress so

[steel turret]

I see a resemblance

[lethal burrow]

eh fair enough

[zinc pivot]

Craws fly
She FLOATS