sk-lore

[lethal burrow]

ok thank you

[teal drift]

who are the non-boss characters most likely to get a DLC boss, and who are the boss characters most likely to get elevated versions

[craggy smelt]

it's actually forgedaughter who's mispelled, should be foredaughter

[craggy smelt]

Vog

[silver spire]

seamstress fight would go hard

[silk dirge]

kratt

[teal drift]

DLC boss: Forgedaughter, Vog, Seamstress
Elevated Boss: Pinstress duo fight, Fourth Chorus upgraded

[scenic stirrup]

The forge daughter and grishkin have the same exact song when u needolin them

[silver spire]

new boss: The First Chorus

[edgy barn]

GMS is definetly getting an elevated version

[teal drift]

im actually soemewhat surprised Vog doesn't have a duel option tbh

[lethal burrow]

fourth chorus where it actually uses all of its arms

[scenic stirrup]

What does that mean chatter forge daughter ex flea confirmed?

[teal drift]

oh GMS 100% gets absolute radiance version

[edgy barn]

Who's Vog?

[silver spire]

flea map guy

[teal drift]

hunter flea

[craggy smelt]

flea fighter lady

[lethal burrow]

Warrior flea layd

[scenic stirrup]

Lost gms

[edgy barn]

Oh I see

[teal drift]

GMS Lace Duo fight would admittedly be adorable ❤️ Dont think that's happening though

[proud swan]

Damn just found out something funny about the portuguese version of hollowknight. Mosskin are called MOSS SKIN and not MOSS KIN this is crazy, I always read as the kin of moss 😭

[edgy barn]

A Phantom-Lace duo would be better character and gameplay-wise

[edgy barn]

...what

No I am 99% they are the kin of moss

[teal drift]

kinda funny that Phantom fight takes place exactly where a perfect Lace 1.5 fight could take place

[proud swan]

as in: a skin that is made of moss. such a weird decision

probably a mistranslation tbf

[lethal burrow]

what about the lore tablet that called them greenkin

[teal drift]

im curious if pinstress and seamstress fight massively differently

because pisntress high key fights like a bigass chump

[proud swan]

the green children

[teal drift]

wait, guys: Ballow DLC fight

[lethal burrow]

neat

[teal drift]

Ballow x Pondcatcher Reed X Grindle boss fight (it's just an arena)

[proud swan]

I wanna fight forge daughter

[teal drift]

enough NPCs are generic enemies that you could actually do an arena in godhome and have it make sense

[scenic stirrup]

Btw grishkin and forge daughter sings the same song 🤔 does that mean anything

[muted lantern]

Some dorks were trying to spoil the game ahead of time on release day when people were coming to the chat to ask about why they couldn't buy the game, and they used the steam achievements to do it, but they were idiots and said pale king was the final boss because there's an achievement called pale monarch

[teal drift]

wyat song?\

[edgy barn]

How could you mean an un-mutilated Widow fight that isn't just First Sinner with a few different moves?

[scenic stirrup]

Wahi wahi wawahi ✍️🔥

[teal drift]

I think the attacks are pretty different in their trajectories and themes

the bells behave very different to FS' spears, and even have a bit of unpredictable bounce to them

i wonder if we'll get any PK content in future skong DLC patches.

[muted lantern]

divorced

[edgy nebula]

Widow has more aura than fs ngl

Fs is a far better fight but widow’s bell bounces and fakeout are much cooler

[sinful nimbus]

Steel Masters

[silk dirge]

i mean i expected fs fakeout

[foggy fractal]

we are cooked

[silk dirge]

she did the death animation and im like lmao i know exactly what your going to do ive seen a weaver do the exact same shit before

[sinful nimbus]

Not once I get the steel crest that changes your "bind" to "compress"

[silk dirge]

i need a cnc mill crest

[foggy fractal]

what would compress do

[sinful nimbus]

Compresses enemies into steel robots

You need to compress GMS to get to Act 4 ofc

[silk dirge]

yeah can we get this as a crest

convert to rosaries

i wish i had motivation to learn how to use the cnc mill at my universitys maker space

bc silly machine go brrrr

i mean its not like i really need it but itd be fun to learn

[foggy fractal]

ah ofc

[warped badger]

yo

[foggy fractal]

hey guys

[proud swan]

wait what isthis

[warped badger]

i just beat first sinner and entered the memory. the little crawling thingies that hang on the ceilings are baby weavers??

[candid iris]

Dear Team Cherry, I am writing because I have been desperately trying to download Hollow Knight: Silksong 😭, but the online stores keep crashing every time I try. I don’t want to miss the chance to experience the world you’ve created 🌎✨, and I would be so grateful if there were a way to download it directly. Please, I’m begging for the opportunity 🙏🎮—your game means so much to me, and I can’t wait to finally play it.

[silk dirge]

a milling machine

[foggy fractal]

those are pharlids
Gms evolved pharlids into weavers

[proud swan]

they're pharlids im pretty sure. but if you did not finish the memory please do, it will make sense

[silk dirge]

one of these https://youtu.be/nFtJ976ma64?si=X6YgDsXEPKdWTrqW

[warped badger]

I finished it, got runic rage

[silk dirge]

im posting specifically this video to root out other fellow robotics kids

or in silksong terms architects

[muted lantern]

they arent baby weavers, more like gms ascended specific pharlids into weavers using her power

magically enforced evolution basically

[proud swan]

I have absolutely no idea what it is but it looks nice. never had robotics class in my life 😭

[muted lantern]

is this a copypasta

[warped badger]

crazy.... she could have had an army of weavers

[silk dirge]

its the way you machine stuff like aluminum or steel into place

[proud swan]

oh yeah so gms was responsible for evolving pharlids into weavers, actually! in the end of memory you see a pharlid turning into first sinner

[silk dirge]

theres a lot of shit in your daily life that started out as a big block of steel and had to be cut up into a useful part

[warped badger]

I mean, I always think outside the box (even when i end up being wrong) so i thought it was a "timelapse" of a weaver growing from baby to adult hahaha

[silk dirge]

how will this get turned into a crest? dont ask

[candid iris]

It’s community lore

It was from day 1 of launch

I’m lowkey trying to bring it back

[muted lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222614800920740000/1421734055006961745/7499SkyWhalePuterCrush.gif

ok

[scenic stirrup]

I wonder what character zote would've been if we got to that Kickstarter stretch goal

[proud swan]

yeah thats pretty much it!

[muted lantern]

he would have been zoated

[scenic stirrup]

Maybe he wouldve become as loved as hornet lol

[muted lantern]

zoatboat dlc

when? 30 years

[proud swan]

its the robotics crest. you throw aluminum and carry an welding machine

[proud swan]

what was the goal?

[muted lantern]

i mean thats basically what architects is

[silk dirge]

frc crest no way

[candid iris]

I’m thought he was more loved before skong release

[scarlet egret]

Hi im new

[candid iris]

Lowkey he might still be

[silk dirge]

architects crest hornet is peak women in stem

[trim lark]

the cost of a silk thread i found on google is 8 bucks (very trustworthy i know)
in the citadel the silk dispenser costs 20 rosaries per thread
1 rosary is 0.40 bucks

that thing above would cost 1134987.5 rosaries
roughly 3339 pale rosary necklaces
or 18917 hours of straight working with loams rates

[scenic stirrup]

He wouldve been the third mc of hollow knight 💀

[trim lark]

this is based off a very arbitrary conversion

[silk dirge]

lmao

[warped badger]

I do wonder what the 4 new abyss bosses would've been

[proud swan]

man underworks labor was cruel. dudes had only 0.40 bucks to their names

[muted lantern]

4 void haunted lugiolis

[warped badger]

Imagine if we got Lace as a HK expansion pack

[scenic stirrup]

Trust itll be in silksong

[trim lark]

788 days straight of working for that machine

[covert tusk]

Lace DLC (third game) vs Zote DLC (third game)
Which way America?

[warped badger]

GMS simulator

[trim lark]

THK protag

[warped badger]

all we can do is scream and play with puppets

[muted lantern]

[trim lark]

in the third game youre fucking large and can actually take hits

[candid iris]

This implies that at the citadel you make 36 dollars an hour

1 per 40 seconds is 90 in an hour

[proud swan]

Pablo. no discussion h ere

[candid iris]

Lowkey

[muted lantern]

you also have to pay to take a break

[silver spire]

wait that means loam is earning well above minimum wage 😭

[trim lark]

oh i was taking 1 per minute oopsies

[candid iris]

Oh lmao

[silver spire]

loam is technically earning 32 USD per hour

[coral wren]

I love in the finale when she says "I am Hornet Hollow Knight, and I will Silk your Song"

[silver spire]

for 1 rosary every 45 seconds

[candid iris]

45

[muted lantern]

Hey if you guys are talking about the treadmill machine make sure to take into account that it doesnt always dispense a rosary

[candid iris]

Ur right

[muted lantern]

sometimes it shoots out nothing

[trim lark]

with this arbitrary amount, the cost of that fuckass key pebb sells in bone bottom is 200 dollars

[candid iris]

How frequently?

[trim lark]

thats true

[silver spire]

someone should do a permutation test of 100 cycles

[warped badger]

After silksong i'd genuinely like to play another comfy HK-like game, not too difficult not too big haha

[muted lantern]

honestly at least 25% of the time, i ran on it for a while and it happened a lot

might be the machine being old but its more likely wage theft

[candid iris]

So on average it basically is 60 seconds a rosary

[trim lark]

game with the THK as the protag and you can just power through everything because youre the boss now

[silver spire]

so let's say that the chance is about 40% to drop nothing

[proud swan]

Im thinking about replaying hk 😭

[candid iris]

45 * 4 / 3 = 60

[muted lantern]

also if we are using silk for a metric on how much something is worth you should take into account that this is magic silk that can extend someones life expectancy and power robots, so like i don't think they are comprable

[warped badger]

should i get a college degree in computer science, then get a masters in video games and finally make HK Pablo myself?

[coral wren]

I heard woidwrought is good, im thinking of playing it soon

[silver spire]

that drops the rate to 1 rosary per 75 seconds

[proud swan]

please do Imma help you

[silver spire]

if its 40% nothing

[candid iris]

So Loam makes 24 dollars an hour

[silver spire]

it's 19 dollars an hour

[muted lantern]

what is the metric for how much a rosary is worth in real money?

[candid iris]

Which is more than your average starbucks employee

[silk dirge]

thats better than me damn

[silver spire]

THATS STILL ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE LMFAO

[proud swan]

Nine Sols is really nice but it is a little hard btw. It does reward you with lots of lore though

[silk dirge]

maybe pharloom just has really bad inflation

[muted lantern]

how are you converting the currencies

[candid iris]

For i thought 45 seconds and 25% of time nothing

[warped badger]

let's go!!!

[trim lark]

also shard bundles are bought at a rate of 50 rosaries, or 20 dollars
each shard bundle breaks into 80 shards, valuing each shard at an average of 0.25 bucks

[silver spire]

0.4 usd per rosary

[candid iris]

Silk spool prices

[silk dirge]

tbh that feels too generous

[muted lantern]

this is magic silk, its not comprable,

[trim lark]

the incredibly arbitrary conversion of a random silk thread i found on google shopping lmao

[silver spire]

yea i used 40% nothing just to find the maximum

[foggy fractal]

do we think nine sols is easier or harder than silksong

[candid iris]

That makes the price of rosaries better tho

Because it means the price of an actual silk spool would be less rosaries

[muted lantern]

you would also have to consider supply and demand, and that the citadel is known for overcharging for things.

[candid iris]

And thus the rosary:dollar ratio would be higher on the dollar wnd

[proud swan]

for me it was harder. Eigong is insane. harder than any silksong boss

also probably the best boss I've ever fought against

[candid iris]

Again, that has the opposite effect

[silver spire]

ok so this desk is 490 dollars, whereas the silksong desk is 380 rosaries

[warped badger]

Hollow Knight is like Dark Souls, Silksong is Elden Ring, and Nine Sols is Sekiro

[silver spire]

💀 ain no way a rosary is worth MORE than USD

[muted lantern]

im not saying what the correct amount is just supplying more variables to be more accurate

[candid iris]

Yea yea

[lethal burrow]

Hey, do you have any questions?

[proud swan]

That is a good definition

[proud swan]

Hey! Whats up

[trim lark]

REAL expensive silk threads can go upwards of a hundred, so lets say magic silk is 150 dollars
this would change the conversion to 7.5 bucks a rosary

i think

[silver spire]

that means one rosary is approx 1.2 usd by comparing desk prices

which is mental

[candid iris]

CRAZYY

[scarlet egret]

Not really I’ve been playing hollow knight for 2 years, silksong for a month, I just found this server rn

[candid iris]

LOAM IS RICH

[muted lantern]

when doing price comparisons you really have to consider the very basic stuff that doesnt have much variance, as stuff like a desk will be varied depending on like 12 billion factors, so look for something comparable that has a very low variance in its price range

[scarlet egret]

Not much if imma be honest

[trim lark]

let me think

[muted lantern]

nectar is equivalent to like wine iirc

[trim lark]

oh yeah it is

[muted lantern]

cheap wine specificallyh

[trim lark]

hol on let me get the pric

[muted lantern]

because theres like vintages and stuff

[candid iris]

600 dollars an HOUR

[muted lantern]

nectar could also be a kind of mead or any other alchoholic beverage

so theres still some variation

considering its nectar its probably made from flowers

whats an alchoholic beverage made of flowers?

is that a thing?

[proud swan]

Its really a lot but I rather not live in a 10ft square bell home just waiting to become prey to a godly being 😭

[trim lark]

creige sells nectar at 10 rosaries per drink
i will go with assuming this is essentially a shot of the nectar

[silver spire]

loam should come to america fr fr

bro would be rich

[limber cosmos]

I think the container was some aspid stomach?

[trim lark]

there are floral liqeurs whatever that means

[silver spire]

if we're using this conversion thats still 57 USD per hour

[candid iris]

It’s 1.25 mill per year btw

[muted lantern]

with our housing prices?

[silver spire]

which is absolutely mental

[rugged storm]

at what? he only generates energy

[candid iris]

8 hour shift, 5 days a week

And you decide your own times

And can just work less if you want to

[proud swan]

imma get this money and get the shit out of pharloom

[trim lark]

does this look like a good candidate for standing in for nectar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmanthus_wine

[candid iris]

REAL

[coral wren]

Me too

Driving to pharloom rq who wants to hop in

[silver spire]

oh bet

[rugged storm]

driving on pharloom

[lapis geode]

What you bring?

[trim lark]

alternatively we could try looking at the gleaming lights prices and comparing them to some stupid ass festive lights

[lapis geode]

Flea beers?

[rugged storm]

then again those bugs do have scissors to scale

[muted lantern]

you know the economy is bad when people see indentured servitude and are like "count me in bro" lmao

[trim lark]

real

[muted lantern]

U.s. in such a state pharloom lookin real nice

[candid iris]

Hey he can leave whenever he wants to

He just wont :)

[muted lantern]

doubtful

[trim lark]

loam unironically can just leave nobodys guarding bro

[muted lantern]

considering everything else in the underworks is a lie i don't see why that would be true

the natural light is a fake lamp behind a window in the break room

the confessional is a robot

their treadmill doesnt pay out half the time

[candid iris]

The underworks is such a funny place

[rugged storm]

he left once to see if he was still a sinner at the confession booth

[candid iris]

It’s supposed to be so bad but paying 1.25 mill as a salary is crazy

[candid iris]

Oh no

NOOOOOO

[limber cosmos]

I would be scared if I saw actual natural light in Pharloom, cause I don't want to fight the sun agaon

[silver spire]

ppl where does the snow come from in mt fay, cuz its still underground

[rugged storm]

dead ice bugs

[limber cosmos]

Bird dandruff

[rugged storm]

or it's just cold bc of them

[muted lantern]

by natural light i mean like non artificial light outside of just the machinery, the window is clearly meant to give the vibes of them not being trapped as far away from society as they are, it feeds into the false sense of freedom, there seems to be some natural light in a lot of pharloom

[candid iris]

That actually brings up an interesting point lowkey

[muted lantern]

since the uncivilized areas are well lit

[candid iris]

Is the Hk world just always night?

It’s constantly dark in dirtmouth

[muted lantern]

i don't think it is honestly, lemme draw something real quick

[candid iris]

Or is dirtmouth just also undeground

[silver spire]

dirtmouth is on the surface

[candid iris]

Yeah I thought so

[lethal burrow]

(probably)

[rugged storm]

maybe there's many gods of rain and thunder who have control over above ground kingdoms and make it constantly cloudy

[candid iris]

Nah

[rugged storm]

cause it's suggested that the gods of rain and thunder aren't actually gods, just really strong

[candid iris]

Wait they’re brought up in game?

[lethal burrow]

Isn't that just what a God is though

[rugged storm]

they're not higher beings, just really strong bugs

atleast I think

[craggy smelt]

Dirtmouth is in fact underground. It's only the 'surface' in the sense that it's atop the kingdom

[candid iris]

Sometimes I forget we’re talking about higher beings in HK and not god god

[lethal burrow]

(maybe)

[candid iris]

Interesting

[proud swan]

welcome back nietzsche

[lethal burrow]

you mean like nostic God?

[muted lantern]

actually nevermind i can't draw lol

[silver spire]

no? you can clearly get ontop of the howling cliffs and see the desolate wastes

[craggy smelt]

I believe in Leth

[rugged storm]

is the only true above ground scene in HK the weathered mask area

[silver spire]

which is literally the same look as the surface in silksong

[lethal burrow]

I wish to see what you have seen

[craggy smelt]

its all underground, a giant cavern

[candid iris]

Wha

[rugged storm]

gotta love the rain in greymoor

[muted lantern]

basically what i was gonna say is pharloom is built in a volcano and mt fay is a neighboring mountain

we have to remember it's a 3d world

[lethal burrow]

The maggots can't slip through the rocks thankfully

[muted lantern]

just depicted in 2d

[silver spire]

that... might make sense except for the fact that the surface is way higher than the peak of mt fay

and for it to be snowing, mt fay must be at pretty high altitudes

[proud swan]

we would have to walk a whole between these two if we were bugs, no?

[rugged storm]

plot twist, the "mice" are just adult muckmaggots, or are muckmaggots just small muckroack maggots

[muted lantern]

the rain is actually silk dregs that they catch and collect from the citadel

[muted lantern]

surface is the top of the volcano

it's dormant

[trim lark]

ok so i just looked up some random cheap wine
25 sgd for 750 ml
for standardisation 25 sgd is 19.5 usd
a shot typically holds 30 ml
by calculating, itd cost like 0.80 bucks

creige charges 10 rosaries for a shot of presumably cheap nectar
so by this conversion, each rosary is

8 fucking cents

[muted lantern]

we have an entrance to the wastes way below too, and the wastes are presumably on the surface

[rugged storm]

why doesn't the lava just flood the abyss, it's just on top of it??

[muted lantern]

this would make a lot more sense

[muted lantern]

this is a good question,

my only assumption is the abyss is magical

or something

[proud swan]

man I hate how invested in lore logic we are. Mario 64 had snowing painting nobody gave a damn. What happened to us

[trim lark]

assuming loam is paid 1 rosary per minute on average
loam is making 4.8 dollars an hour

[muted lantern]

this sounds closer to reality

[rugged storm]

I think mount fay might just be cold bc coldice creatures cool down the air

[trim lark]

this is a lot less than minimum wage lmao

[muted lantern]

also count the price of breaks and confessions because most of the staff need breaks and are religiously indoctornated

[rugged storm]

wait guys

[proud swan]

Why do you think we're on a volcano though? Makes no sense cause we got entire waterfalls (pale lake)

[rugged storm]

the white rosaries are pearls, and we have an ocean themed coral area💀

[muted lantern]

i think pharloom is built into one because the bottom of pharloom is a giant lava chamber

[silver spire]

what conversion are we using

[muted lantern]

deep docks is full of lava

[muted lantern]

price of alchohol

[trim lark]

@silver spire

[muted lantern]

using cheap wine as a comparison

since we know we arent getting the good stuff at halfway house

[proud swan]

I mean yes but the surface also has lava if we reach a certain depth (irl I mean)

[rugged storm]

guys rosaries are made of bugs

[proud swan]

wait what?

[muted lantern]

yeah but we know pharloom is built vertically, and underground

[rugged storm]

atleast the black and white ones right

[trim lark]

also with this a shell rosary would be valued at 40 cents
and a pearl rosary at 1.20 dollars

[candid iris]

That’s probably the more accurate conversion rate lowkey

[muted lantern]

rosaries are probably carved shell

There is no way underworks pays well

[proud swan]

I think some are made with metal because Shakra does say using bell metal is expensive

[muted lantern]

also one of the most abundant resources in the world, shell shards, that are literally just pieces of any living bug, cost like 80 rosaries for a fairly small amount

[rugged storm]

y'know what would be really cool

if there was an area in the forge melting down the bells into metal

[muted lantern]

the more valuable rosaries seem to be made of metal or geo

[trim lark]

it also means that the lowest wrung of the underworks (underscrub) held 8 cents on their body
with the largest fellows holding 24 cents

[rugged storm]

first one I forgot, black one is shell, and white is pearl

[muted lantern]

underworks was straight up just "hey william what if we made the capitalism metaphor REALLY overt"

not even metaphor, more like parody

[rugged storm]

whiteward is what the hospital becomes when you don't have insurance

[trim lark]

also grand reeds have 2.56 dollars on their person these mfs arent affording shit

[muted lantern]

they get paid in thoughts and prayers

[rugged storm]

gms tries to haunt a flea but there's nothing inside but fluff

[candid iris]

50 rosaries for 80 shards

[muted lantern]

i mean straight up whiteward expiriments were probably done on the poor

[rugged storm]

it's also connected to the underworks right

[muted lantern]

still not great considering you get shell shards from everything

[muted lantern]

yep, im sure they took poor performers there

[rugged storm]

hand in hand

[candid iris]

I know Imm just giving the exact conversion

[trim lark]

scrounge pays hornet 2760 rosaries max for getting them all their relics
or 220.80 dollars

[muted lantern]

do we ever get a gender for scrounge

[candid iris]

Me when I Tuskegee syphilis study

[rugged storm]

wait guys

[trim lark]

where did scrounge get all of this fucking money from

[rugged storm]

what if

mount fay was actually ocean fay, and it froze up

[craggy smelt]

same place Lemm got all his geo from

[rugged storm]

it's above sands of karak

maybe blasted steps and sands of karak are actually pretty cold

[trim lark]

i do not concur

[muted lantern]

they got it in the divorce with the vault keeper who plays us the cylinders

Hey do we know relic seeker scrounges gender?

[craggy smelt]

pretty sure Hornet calls her madam

[lethal burrow]

I think team Cherry after experiencing what it was like to have infinite money and never need to work again realized how bullshit the whole thing is and wanted to do a little bit of critique of it.

[rugged storm]

is she a vault keeper descendent

yeah right

[sullen cave]

||When Mister Mushroom said "those who look sideways", was he talking about us the players?||

[trim lark]

cardinius pays us 1320 rosaries, or 105.6 dollars

[rugged storm]

or like an outcast

[trim lark]

according to wiki shes a girl

[muted lantern]

she has a similar body to the vault keeper we meet

[karmic tartan]

Spoilers aren't necessary in this channel, and we have no idea

[sullen cave]

ok

[rugged storm]

and the dead leader

[muted lantern]

very likely, he breaks the fourth wall a lot

especially in the first game

[karmic tartan]

One of my fav silksong characters mentioned

[karmic tartan]

Cardinius if I recall correctly

Which I most likely don't

[craggy smelt]

i love her voice

[muted lantern]

scrounge is way cuter than lemm

[rugged storm]

have you guys heard phantom sing yet

[muted lantern]

i like her, gremlin creature

[karmic tartan]

Yeah her and masker are my favs

[karmic tartan]

Yeah unexpected

[rugged storm]

She says she doesn't even care abt fighting hornet, she just wants a good ending

[silver spire]

ok but have u heard trobbio sing

bro wasn't even possessed, he was just joining in 😭

[rugged storm]

have you heard the conchflies sing

[trim lark]

some quick calcs using this
the act of stringing up rosaries costs roughly 1.60 dollars
frayed strings hold 2.40
rosary strings hold 4.80
regular necklaces hold 9.60
heavy necklaces hold 17.60
and pale necklaces hold 27.20

[muted lantern]

yeah people in skong are dirt fucking poor

[rugged storm]

high halls tho

the uhh 15%

[muted lantern]

also for your price calculation did you use like a glass of wine or a whole bottle, because hornets 10 rosaries i think just gets her like a glass

[craggy smelt]

figure out how much it costs to fire the Rosary Cannon for 12 seconds

[limpid summit]

I remember when I did this with geo like 3 years ago

[trim lark]

i found a 750 ml bottle, then converted the price accordingly for a 30 ml shot and from there calc

[limpid summit]

That shit was fun

[trim lark]

whatd you use for it

[limpid summit]

Really stupid though

[trim lark]

alright hol on

[muted lantern]

our current assumption is 8 cents per rosary, so all we need is the firerate

[limpid summit]

I don’t remember but it didn’t actually make any sense

[silver spire]

side off comment, but i really love how lot of bosses in this game have really open arenas that sometimes may even let you exit the bossfight entirely

like moorwing and seth

[muted lantern]

and then theres nyleth and savage beastfly

[silver spire]

it really emphasizes that these are just encounters in the middle of nowhere

[karmic tartan]

Okay how much is the wine for the delicacy quest in USD then

[muted lantern]

if its like some crazy vintage probably a shit ton

[karmic tartan]

What was the price of geo.

[trim lark]

the cannon fires 10 rosaries a second
to fire the rosary for 12 seconds itd be 120

that is 9.60 dollars
or 48 dollars/min
on the commercial market, it is 3000 dollars a minute to fire a minigun

[cunning flint]

Ok, I have a theory: I think Ze’Mere is from Pharloom, because she says her flowers are from another kingdom, and the snamans of Pharloom know what the fragile flower is (which is called the Everbloom there), so I think she’s from Pharloom

[cunning flint]

HOLY-

[karmic tartan]

It's 38.40 😭

[trim lark]

38.40 for a whole flask of vintage nectar

well aged wine can get like real expensive

[muted lantern]

to be fair he probably gave us a deal since he wanted us to go down and clear his basement

[karmic tartan]

Except for the fact they state it doesn't grow in pharloom

[trim lark]

conclusion: firing a real life minigun would be a lot more expensive than the rosary cannon

[cunning flint]

Maybe she took the last ones

[karmic tartan]

That's not bad tbh

[karmic tartan]

No longer being present is different from not growing

[muted lantern]

we don't see anything like zemer in pharloom and nobody refers to pharloom as lands serene

[trim lark]

although you do have to deal with the militia in the basement so that muddles the cost a little

[karmic tartan]

Militia is a perfect term for that 😭

[cunning flint]

Well, I was told there’s another Mr. Mushroom ending with the To Be Continued again, so maybe it’ll be that kingdom?

[karmic tartan]

Okay hold on we can calculate this

[muted lantern]

maybe

[cunning flint]

That fight was a pain

[rugged storm]

guys we need a purify quest for a dlc in silksong

it's fine if it's only putrification ducts

[cunning flint]

Who are we purifying?

[limpid summit]

It literally made no sense all I can remember was that I found a ton of things that were very similar to their HK equivalents and averaged their prices

[karmic tartan]

We just need the (amount of an enemy x rosaries dropped by said enemy)0.08

[rugged storm]

the name changes nicely to purification ducts anyways

[cunning flint]

Geo makes no sense lol

[trim lark]

this conversion means plinney charges you 54.40 dollars for the pale steel needle charge

which like isnt bad at all

[karmic tartan]

That's valid

[cunning flint]

WORTH (even though I haven’t gotten it yet)

[karmic tartan]

Because that is a one of a kind blade sharpened to almost perfection

[cunning flint]

How do you upgrade your needle after that? Because I’ve only found 2 things of oil

[trim lark]

act 3

[karmic tartan]

There's 5 upgrades right?

[cunning flint]

I’m in act 3. What am I supposed to do?

[karmic tartan]

Fleatopia

[summer mauve]

Fleatopia

[trim lark]

needle 0
1 from saving bellhart
3 pale oil upgrades

[cunning flint]

Do I have to beat their games?

[karmic tartan]

Yepp

[summer mauve]

Get the highest score. Except for Seth. I don't think you need to beat him to get the oil

[limpid summit]

You have to save every flea and then win all 3 of they games

[cunning flint]

Ok. Thanks all

[trim lark]

sounds funny

[limpid summit]

I think if you lead him to Fleatopia you actually do have to beat all his scores

[cunning flint]

Well good thing I’m still stuck on Nelath lol

[summer mauve]

God I hope not. Beating the scores without him was hard enough as is

[muted lantern]

lore reason why one of the baby fleas is fucking enormous? did the people in memoriam just feed it a lot?

[trim lark]

technically i could go the route of finding a bunch of conversions and averaging them out but i think the nectar wine conversion works for now

[cunning flint]

HE FLOOF

[summer mauve]

Humans vary in size too

[trim lark]

hes been there for a long time i guess

[rugged storm]

genetic engineering or breeding? look at the moss creature

[cunning flint]

Fair enough

[summer mauve]

Hell, almost all species have some variation between individuals

[muted lantern]

also are all the fleas related? or just the same species

[cunning flint]

Imagine if there had been a giant Grub

[rugged storm]

in the description the moss creature is bred, since hornet wishes they bred out the spines

[muted lantern]

like are mooska and grishkin related?

[limpid summit]

Same species

[cunning flint]

He don’t count

[summer mauve]

"Species" is a tough question in the worlds of Pharloom and Hallownest

[cunning flint]

I mean the ones we rescue

[rugged storm]

yeah

[cunning flint]

True

[muted lantern]

it is weird that theres so many lost baby fleas, where are their parents?

im correct in ass'uming the ones with wings are babies right?

[cunning flint]

Ummmmm

[rugged storm]

mitosis

the big flea is about to go through mitosis

[limpid summit]

Do we think Fleas are from Pharloom and the three other dudes are just foreign or are Fleas just in a ton of kingdoms

The three main fleas look very different from Kratt and Vog and even the regular fleas

[muted lantern]

maybe fleas are just born spontaneously out of the air in places extremely unsafe for a flea to be

[summer mauve]

Most of the characters are just bug shaped. With a few exceptions, I don't think the designers had a specific bug in mind for each design. And if they did, they certainly applied some creative changes

[rugged storm]

the mice in greymoor

[muted lantern]

kratt looks a lot like mooshka

[cunning flint]

“With a few exceptions”
Aka the entirety of Fog Canyon

[rugged storm]

what are the actually

[limpid summit]

The mites?

[rugged storm]

oh

[limpid summit]

They’re just native pests

[muted lantern]

it is funny that groal is basically just a frog with bug features tacked on

[limpid summit]

Moorwing is a selectively bred mite

[muted lantern]

groal was just a frog but you are what you eat

[summer mauve]

Mice are typically much bigger than bugs

[cunning flint]

I cheesed him lol

[rugged storm]

well I know, but they didn't look like any obvious bugs

so I just called them mice in my head

[cunning flint]

You say that, but none of the characters are size accurate

[silver spire]

isnt moorwing a craw

[summer mauve]

Ah. Right. Misinterpreted you, sorry

[muted lantern]

no

[cunning flint]

Nope

[muted lantern]

its a moorwing

[rugged storm]

it's a rotisserie moorwing

[cunning flint]

Thanks Captain obvious

[cunning flint]

Oh yeah the fleas cook him

[muted lantern]

what im saying is moorwing is it's species, not its name

[limpid summit]

Moorwing is a “winged mite beast”

[cunning flint]

Oh. Oops

[limpid summit]

Real different from any other mite

Maybe it’s dimorphism
Big female mites are Mitemothers
Male mites are the flying ones and Moorwing was just bred large

[cunning flint]

I heard someone say Tiso is from Pharloom recently

[summer mauve]

As I said, species is a tough question in HK

[lethal burrow]

i'm doing a new play through and I'm going to see if there's dialogue for getting to act three without entering bellhart

[muted lantern]

i like that they put a falconry hood on moorwing

[karmic tartan]

Why everyone going "oh xxxx is from pharloom!" Recently

[silver spire]

fr 😭

[summer mauve]

I'm not sure you can

[karmic tartan]

Ain't bellhart necessary? For quests?

[lethal burrow]

What makes you say that?

[lethal burrow]

oh yeah lol

i forgor

[karmic tartan]

There's a certain amount of quests you need to do to enter act 3

[summer mauve]

The "silk and soul" quest requires you complete many quests beforehand

[muted lantern]

good luck with the snare lol

[karmic tartan]

The snare isn't in bellhart?

[lethal burrow]

Well, at least I can share with you The dialogue for only entering the town after saving it.

[muted lantern]

you need needolin to trigger it

[karmic tartan]

Oh right

[rugged storm]

guys "the purity of flame" goes so hard the last judge is cooking

[summer mauve]

I really wouldn't want to go into Act 3 without an upgraded needle

[cunning flint]

Understatement. Like, what even IS the White Lady? Or the Dreamers?

[karmic tartan]

Is that last judge ost or smth

[cunning flint]

REAL

[karmic tartan]

Pale being

[rugged storm]

he says it in needolin dialogue

[lethal burrow]

"he"

[karmic tartan]

Ohh

[rugged storm]

she

[karmic tartan]

Is the gender confirmed?

Last I checked it was unkown

[summer mauve]

Well, the white lady appeara to be a Pale Being. What a Pale Being is is another topic of furious debate

[rugged storm]

the va is female so ig

[cunning flint]

Yeah

[karmic tartan]

The VA for killua from HxH is female

[rugged storm]

also true

[cunning flint]

The original VA for Ash from Pokémon was a girl

[summer mauve]

"They" is a perfectly acceptable word if unsure

[karmic tartan]

All the VA does is give us an unreliable hypothesis (forgot the word for an educated guess)

[summer mauve]

This is hardly the biggest transgression I've seen though

[rugged storm]

wait are the judges all grown up maggots too

[karmic tartan]

What

[cunning flint]

Yeah

[karmic tartan]

I thought the maggots were the sandcarvers

[rugged storm]

there's like 5 different maggots

jumping ones, muckmaggots, the worms, hk maggots, judge maggots

[cunning flint]

Yeah, there are a LOT of maggots

[summer mauve]

Isn't "maggot" a generic word for first stage of a bug anyway?

[cunning flint]

The maggots that Broodmother spawns as well

[summer mauve]

Not a species in itself

[rugged storm]

oh right

[rugged storm]

not all bugs, it's a common larval stage tho

[narrow hinge]

we still haven't seen any adult grubs yes

[cunning flint]

Hold on, I need to give Eira pets

[cunning flint]

Grubfather

[brisk thunder]

is bell beast a big grom...？

[summer mauve]

Maybe we have. Maybe they grow legs or something

[rugged storm]

oh right the silk eaters are grubs and both of those are maggots

[narrow hinge]

listen i'd hope i know this if i was in the channel

[cunning flint]

I forgot about those

[summer mauve]

BellBeast seems to have children of its own. Probably not a young creature any more like "grub" would imply. Also, legs

[cunning flint]

Tippy taps

[summer mauve]

Wait, sorry. Grubs aren't maggots

[rugged storm]

grubberflies

[summer mauve]

These words are vague and confusing

[rugged storm]

their young are like fly larvae

[cunning flint]

Oh look, it’s Sly

[karmic tartan]

Saw somebody call grubs "worms" 💔

[rugged storm]

sly's a grub

[karmic tartan]

Also another famous question: what the hell is bardoon

[rugged storm]

uhmmmm

[cunning flint]

Ummmmmmm

[rugged storm]

cocoon???? not really

[cunning flint]

Beeg guy

[summer mauve]

Well, not a wyrm apparently. No other info is provided

[rugged storm]

caterpillar

[cunning flint]

Huh

The more you know

[pearl grove]

Do you think there's any significance to the way GMS has her arms folded? It kind of reminds me of the birth of venus painting

[trim lark]

what does the reference go to

[lethal burrow]

Nothing specific comes to mind for me

[cunning flint]

I…actually don’t know

[lethal burrow]

Wikipedia page for caterpillars

[karmic tartan]

Knowing you're using dreamnail:

[trim lark]

i think its just a design choice to make them cooler

[pearl grove]

I just think it's weird that she keeps her arms like that even when you stagger her

[cunning flint]

Maybe to signify her sleep?

[summer mauve]

The primary source for this is the wanderer's journal. For which, we must trust the narrator. I mean, we probably can. Just worth remembering that it could be retconned

[rugged storm]

the cradle is cold

[cunning flint]

I think she was asleep, right? Maybe she’s not fully awake when we fight her

[pearl grove]

ohh that's a good point

[lethal burrow]

isn't she supposed to be fully awaken in the fight though?

[rugged storm]

wakes up from really long nap, gets slapped around by a being 1/8th your size, get dragged to bug hell

[summer mauve]

Not every design decision has lore implications. Some things just look cool

[cunning flint]

Dude. Just realized that there’s going to be a Hunter’s Journal Wordle for Silksong at some point

[muted lantern]

aura farming instinct

[cunning flint]

Thank you Mr. Hippo (fnaf reference, and yes it’s a compliment)

[summer mauve]

As someone unfamiliar with FNAF lore, I'll take the compliment (and quietly hope I haven't been tricked)

[cunning flint]

Mr. Hippo says some wise stuff. Like how he said, “Sometimes a story is just that:a story”
Which was Scott trying to say “not everything is lore.”

[rugged storm]

Guy we need grandfather silk, where instead the silk comes from a beard and he's completely bald

[cunning flint]

NO

[rugged storm]

it covers up his body and you can only guess since it's in the foreground

[cunning flint]

Please no

[summer mauve]

I think FNAF suffered from expanding the lore. It worked best in the first few games when it was mostly implied and there was only a handful of alleged dead children. Attempting to expand everything and raise the stakes kinda made it silly in the end

[cunning flint]

Steel Wool also ruined it with the crappy quality and also trying to fill in stuff that Scott purposely wanted vague

[summer mauve]

The backrooms have undergone a similar process

Sometimes things work best when they're not explained. I know it doesn't sound right but it's true

[cunning flint]

True

[summer mauve]

Suggestions, subtlety, etc, are what make good horror

[cunning flint]

Btw, who is still alive that would make a good character for a Silksong sequel?

[rugged storm]

Groal the Invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful, and Great

[summer mauve]

Plus it allows authors to play a bit fast and loose with Canon 😁

[cunning flint]

He better not become the new Zote

[cunning flint]

Yeah, like the Fnaf 4 box. And why certain characters can teleport

[rugged storm]

Zote the mighty
Groal the great

[cunning flint]

Can we all agree that Zote sucks?

[summer mauve]

He sucks in a very entertaining way

[cunning flint]

Like, he said Elderbug should stop breathing.

[muted lantern]

zoat is absolutely zoated

[summer mauve]

He says a lot. Kinda the point of his character. All talk

[rugged storm]

sherma's kinda like an opposite parallel to zote, both are powerless but completely the opposite personality wise

[cunning flint]

All bark no bite

[summer mauve]

I think he's the only enemy you fight that has actually no way to hurt you

[cunning flint]

Sherma is best boi

[summer mauve]

I'm not referring to his dream. I mean the man himself

[cunning flint]

Until the dream fight, but yeah

[rugged storm]

ETERNAL ORDEAL

[summer mauve]

Sherma would wipe the floor with Zote if it came down to it

Not that it's hard

[cunning flint]

It’s cool talking to people like you guys. I haven’t had social media before, so I’ve mostly been cautious since a lot of fandoms are toxic. But you guys are really nice

[cunning flint]

Sherma: Starts singing
Zote: immediately ko’ed

[summer mauve]

Zote would just trip over his own feet

[rugged storm]

wait guys

[cunning flint]

And then Sherma would be worrying that he’d done something wrong

[summer mauve]

And then Sherma would help him up

[rugged storm]

everyone's talking about how important and soul related and whatnot masks are

[summer mauve]

Much to our disappointment

[cunning flint]

Yes?

[rugged storm]

but what if they're just like bug underwear

[summer mauve]

Elaborate

[cunning flint]

Don’t the mask makers say that some bugs are born with masks?

[rugged storm]

every bug wants a mask and usually wears one

[rugged storm]

cause they're built different

but look at phantom

[cunning flint]

Phantom and Lace are made from silk, so they’re different

[rugged storm]

she's putting her mask on constantly

hold up

[summer mauve]

Nah, I think she's posing

[cunning flint]

If you play the Needolin at the tube below the arena, there’s dialogue that hints to them being related

[craggy smelt]

no it's true, she's often adjusting it as it slides around

[cunning flint]

She puts the mask on at the beginning of the fight

[rugged storm]

no she literally has it off

[summer mauve]

Oh. My mistake

[cunning flint]

You’re good

[rugged storm]

ignore the loading thing

[craggy smelt]

damn it, do i wish there was a hall of bosses already...

[cunning flint]

I’m pretty sure that Phantom is Lace’s big sister, since the journal entry says she’s older

[summer mauve]

Phantom and Lace are both beings of silk. I assumed they were both children of GMS. Phantom seems to have gone her own way though. And given her alleged age, maybe Lace was a replacement

[cunning flint]

SAME

[rugged storm]

she is

[cunning flint]

Yeah

[rugged storm]

secret needolin mirror

in the exhaust organ

[cunning flint]

GMS played favorites there, huh

[rugged storm]

maybe lace gave phantom a piece of her mask

[cunning flint]

Maybe

[rugged storm]

and her mask is like made of silk

so it's spikey

[cunning flint]

That would be cool, and add to their backstory

I’M PUTTING THIS IN MY FAN STORY

[rugged storm]

gee I wonder why verdania is dead

[cunning flint]

…when I GET to Silksong, that is

[cunning flint]

What the- HOW DO YOU GET THERE?!

[rugged storm]

act 3

[cunning flint]

I’ve never seen that before

[craggy smelt]

oh nooo

[cunning flint]

Oh. That makes sense

[rugged storm]

it's boring

[craggy smelt]

you've been robbed of the joy of finding it yourself

[rugged storm]

it's the dream area that's cool

[cunning flint]

I’ve been lost in this game more times than I can count. I’m okay with some help

[cunning flint]

Yeah, the Needolin became the Dream Nail

[rugged storm]

you guys know there used to be a town here?

a fourth village

[craggy smelt]

tc willing, there will be again...

[cunning flint]

Scrapped content?

[rugged storm]

but it got cut

[cunning flint]

…. It’s like the hive. Maybe it’ll be added later

[rugged storm]

pharloom bay

barnacle town

[craggy smelt]

barnacle burg

[cunning flint]

More fluffy creatures

[summer mauve]

Flufftopia

[cunning flint]

YES

[summer mauve]

Heaven for Hornet

[cunning flint]

YESSS

[craggy smelt]

lorewise, I don't know that it could have much significant impact on the main plot
(but that's fine)

[summer mauve]

Neither did the Hive really

[cunning flint]

The Hive didn’t either, but it still fit in

[rugged storm]

that's probably why it was cut, the game was already evenly distributed

[timber pond]

The hive was always there though

[summer mauve]

And I'm still not sure how the colloseum of fools fits in to any of it

[cunning flint]

Nope. Not at the beginning

[rugged storm]

And hunters march through act 2

[cunning flint]

Entertainment

[timber pond]

Im positive it was there and lifeblood only added hive knight.

[cunning flint]

Question: am I locked from the stuff in that area now that I’m in act 3?

[craggy smelt]

pretty sure the Hive was always there from the beginning
it got a graphical overhaul at one point, and a boss, but that's all

[cunning flint]

In the first release it wasn’t there.

[rugged storm]

no, there's only some stuff you missed probably

[hushed viper]

ist ehre a lore reason why Mrs Silksong mainly goes left and right and sometimes up and down? is there a lore reasons she ignores the z value?

[summer mauve]

I mean lore wise. Was it approved by the Pale King? Who was the King Fool? How come the infected bugs there maintain some degree of self control?

[rugged storm]

garmond and shakra fights

and some other stuff

[cunning flint]

Am I locked from 100%?

[foggy fractal]

nah

[rugged storm]

no

[cunning flint]

Oh thank the gods

[rugged storm]

just some small extra stuff

[summer mauve]

The universe isn't literally 2D. The backgrounds and parallax scrolling reveal that. It's just an artistic representation

[cunning flint]

I want 100%

[craggy smelt]

you can't miss any % stuff

[rugged storm]

but you won't get shakra or garmond hunter entries

[timber pond]

I bought hollow knight like, 2 days after it came out. Pretty sure it was there, it was just worse because they hadn't updated

[rugged storm]

does count for %

doesn't

[cunning flint]

Thank the Radiance

[silk dirge]

hive was always there

[cunning flint]

She’s good in my au

[hushed viper]

yea but why doesnt mrs silksong just go into the background i'm retty sure there's ways to find other areas without fighting a boss if she does that

[silk dirge]

it just didnt have hive knight

i never played hk like that but ive seen videos and its so weird

[rugged storm]

there should be more to your home

[cunning flint]

I saw a video on the first version being revisited and the guy literally went to where the Hive was and there was nothing

[summer mauve]

Because programming a third dimension would be a whole other thing

[silk dirge]

i definitely think hive knight was a boss that was cut bc of constraints and then added later

[cunning flint]

That would be a pain to navigate

[silk dirge]

bc that room looks perfectly like a boss room

[summer mauve]

If the game says there's no way around, it's because there's no way around

[hushed viper]

but that's not an inuniverse reason. . maybe mrs silksong is just stupd. .

[cunning flint]

Maybe she can’t because of the way the caverns are

[summer mauve]

Again, just an artistic choice. A way to represent the world. Not literally it's structure

[hushed viper]

whats with the caverns

[cunning flint]

Like, structure wise. Maybe they’re too thin to go three dimensional traveling in

[hushed viper]

i just rememebred the game takes place mostly in the caverns so why isn't the camera obstructed by the walls of the cavern is team cherry stupid?

[cunning flint]

No. We’re just op

[summer mauve]

Please stop baiting

It is not appreciated

[rugged storm]

1/10 ragebait

[summer mauve]

Only serious discussion about the cartoon bug kingdoms allowed here!

[cunning flint]

I’m gonna dip now. Have a good night everyone!

[rugged storm]

cya

[mighty oyster]

Lace lore. ||Ok so she’s kinda like a vessel but made from silk?|| I then did the other ones fight just now and aaaa I loved it

[craggy smelt]

she's like a fancier version of the spiders made by Weaversong

That such a feat is possible... I have seen life woven from Silk before, but tiny, transient... Never like this...

[summer mauve]

You don't need to worry about spoilers here. There's an implicit understanding that the lore channel has spoilers in it

[mighty oyster]

I know I just do it in case

[silver spire]

based 🔥

[mighty oyster]

I go like do I hide or show nfgjjffjjffhh

[mighty oyster]

Wait aren’t the lil weavers like actual bugs? Then again when the knight spawns them; they’re created from the silk

[craggy smelt]

they're born from the charm

Summons weaverlings to give the lonely bearer some companionship and protection.

[mighty oyster]

[lost reef]

are the pinstress's craws?

they feel like craws

especially after the fight with the pinstress

[craggy smelt]

I don't think so
they don't have wings, they use their cloaks to float
they sort've look like Stilkin to me, but not exactly

the offspring of a blasphemous union twixt craw and stilkin...

[lost reef]

what were the stilkin again?

[craggy smelt]

bilewater bugs

[mighty oyster]

I can’t even tell if thosr crows are birds or bugs, but I guess birds are now in the bug universe kinda dhjgfhjg

[craggy smelt]

they kinda got those pointy beaks

[mighty oyster]

Lil guys

[craggy smelt]

there's also a dead pinstress in the Ducts wearing the same time of grassy cloak

[lost reef]

I think... just like Hallownest, where there were loads of native bugs that all kinda looked similar in a variety of ways, Pharloom also has native bugs. The Craw, the Stilkin, the Pinstress's, all the same species but different appearances and abilities.

This is just what bugs tend to look like in Pharloom. Pointy beaked cloaked fellas instead of pillbugs

[craggy smelt]

could be, yeah

[lost reef]

what did the wisp thicket guys look like?

[zinc pivot]

Craws are being treated like vermins though
Creige even made a scarecraw literally made of their skin

[zinc pivot]

Similar to the bugs in greymoor and sinners road
With a red cloak

[lost reef]

tbf pilgrims ask you to strip dead pilgrims naked, so it's not the only warcrime the game asks of it's players

[lethal burrow]

they're more treated like thieves and brigands, or like the mafia

[craggy smelt]

and like... the scarecraw does work

[lost reef]

to be fair, if someone made a giant statue made of human flesh, I'd also be pretty terrified and not want to visit that spot again.

[lethal burrow]

are those their cloaks or are they like naturally hooded creatures?

[lost reef]

good question

[craggy smelt]

you collect rags from them at one point

but it does look like they're using them as wings

[zinc pivot]

It even said rag PELT

[craggy smelt]

oof

like a vessel situation with their cloak/wings...

[lost reef]

they're called Ragpelts

so yeah it might be actually just their skin

[craggy smelt]

criege doesn't fuck around

[zinc pivot]

Between the scarecraw and the ant extermination he made hornet do, he’s quite the sly bastard

Businessmen in this game are crooked one way or a other
Like real life

[lost reef]

The crazy thing is that he's like this big dude

if he wanted he could just intimidate you personally, but no he just tells people to do horrible things, and no one ever does anything to stop him. He'll backstab you in the most nonchalant way, and when you come back he's like "oh wow, you lived. Want some beer?"

[craggy smelt]

a coward at heart

like all racists

[lost reef]

typical male privilege.

[graceful grail]

Ive started making a Family Tree, what to change??

[lost reef]

you should probably add the widow to the weavers

[graceful grail]

Done

[tiny socket]

I don’t think nyleth is related to the white lady

[craggy smelt]

we don't know that WL is related to any of those creatures

[graceful grail]

We know sister splinter is and nyleth is her sister

[tiny socket]

Really?

Where did that come from?

[graceful grail]

Oh, wait

[craggy smelt]

oh hey, she is, neat

[graceful grail]

She is also a sister, not mother

[craggy smelt]

needolin dialogue

Sisters, sisters, so long gone!
Other, other, sleeping deep...

I need to go through all these, there may be delicious insights...

[lost reef]

wait how do we know sister splinter is related to the white lady?

[craggy smelt]

that part seems made up

hmm, can you actually get the needolin before fighting her?
I wonder how canon situations like that are...

[lost reef]

I suppose maybe the white lady is related to those guys in a "she is on that side of the animal kingdom" kinda way.

[graceful grail]

It would make sense for all the plant Gods to be related is some way, like all weavers are in a way related to GMS

Fixed

[lost reef]

wait splinter isn't a plant

she's literally not a plant, she's a stick bug

[craggy smelt]

the human silhouette represents team cherry, who created all of these freaks

[graceful grail]

She is part, we know kuz she controlls the plants

[lost reef]

hmm

[graceful grail]

Also, Like GMS is Hornets Grandma in a way

SISTER Splinter would make sense to be Hornets Half Sister.

Where is she getting their names from rly

[lost reef]

I assume the "roar" a lot of bosses do is them yelling their name in bug language

like pokemon

[graceful grail]

Ahahahaah, isnt a language I think.

I think its a laugh

[lost reef]

maybe she picked up their name in context, like on the walls, or in bits of writing or whispers, so she knows what things are when she sees them

[tiny socket]

Which plants?

[graceful grail]

The vines she brings down during the fight

[tiny socket]

That’s just a power though, that doesn’t mean she’s literally a plant

[graceful grail]

She is Nyleths sister, She is a PLANT

[tiny socket]

Ok whatever you say

[lost reef]

do we know that nyleth is a plant? or are they just complicated bugs

[graceful grail]

White lady is Literally a tree, Nyleth is Literally (most likely) a flower, and Greyroot lady is obviously a rooted desiese

[lost reef]

I think Nyleth is related to these guys

[graceful grail]

Thats a bug, true

[zinc pivot]

We should put animal like plants to the category of bugs

[graceful grail]

Maybe, hornet is quite perceptive

[lost reef]

Notably, Hornet makes distinguishes "bug disguised as a flower" and "Floral foe"

so it appears like we might be able to trust the hunter's guide when describing plants vs bugs

I do think that the root disease thing is possibly related to the white lady in some way?

[graceful grail]

Yes, that is a plant

Also, we know Plant life (not bug at all) is possible because of white lady.

[lost reef]

wasn't that one knight from Holllow Knight a plant?

the one that gave you flowers?

[graceful grail]

Isma??

[zinc pivot]

Zemer?

[lost reef]

zemer I think

[echo trellis]

Groal the great is just misunderstood

[lost reef]

also Isma

[graceful grail]

Isma with the vines and acid tear

[edgy nebula]

no he isnt

[zinc pivot]

Shes like some kind of butterfly/moth

And isma? We dunno what the heck she is

[echo trellis]

can you blame him? the citadel destroyed his home and culture

[edgy nebula]

he caught and tortured a snail shaman attempting to make peace, then stole his soul and researched his spells all through blinded hate of the citadel

[lost reef]

Isma jut felt like a metroid reference tbh

[edgy nebula]

the snail shaman wasnt even from the citadel hes just an asshole

[tiny socket]

Yes we can blame him

[zinc pivot]

A miserable origin can not excuse horrible actions

[foggy fractal]

from groal the great to groal the humble

[lost reef]

groal might be the asshole, but we can say for certain that he's great.

[zinc pivot]

That’s like common sense

[tiny socket]

He’s not that great

[lost reef]

I respect Groal's message since the Citadel fucked over his homeland and destroyed their lives.

[zinc pivot]

Groal the Mediocre

[echo trellis]

The citadel is the true villain here

[tiny socket]

He can’t even beat hornet while she’s suffering from a serious parasite

The real villain was the friends we made along the way?

[lost reef]

the citadel is the true villain, Groal is the symptom yeah. But it's just subjective at this point.

[edgy nebula]

he is very cocky and self absorbed

[tiny socket]

His spherical nature betrays his greed

[edgy nebula]

part of me feels as if hes full of hatred not through rage of his lands being polluted but because he only wants eyes on him

[graceful grail]

Same Snail

[edgy nebula]

no

[graceful grail]

Y

Alot of time has passed since first game

[edgy nebula]

because that could be any snail shaman

[zinc pivot]

Idk, that kinda look like caretaker’s body

[graceful grail]

That taught VSpirit to Groal??

[zinc pivot]

But no shit hes alive

[graceful grail]

This snail Invented Vengfull spirit

[craggy smelt]

groal's spell doesn't have the eyes

[zinc pivot]

Groal is just shooting soul balls

[graceful grail]

So, he obviously isnt doing it right

[edgy nebula]

he took his soul and conjured up something similar to v. spirit

[echo trellis]

He tortured the snail shaman

[zinc pivot]

He did
But the soul art he used is no vengeful spirit

[graceful grail]

Yeah, snail shaman gave him a shoddy VSpirit 😮‍💨

[tiny socket]

Does Groal have the kingsoul? He casts repeatedly even without hitting the player

[zinc pivot]

Soul Sanctum must’ve has thousands of them

[craggy smelt]

or he's doing it wrong

[tiny socket]

Soul sanctum has test subjects to harvest from, whereas Groal doesn’t have any obvious source for his soul

[zinc pivot]

Or he isn’t even doing it at all

[graceful grail]

Also, the body shape is very similar and the snails all have very unique bodys

[foggy fractal]

we don't have any evidence besides they look similar and groal's spell looks similar to vspirit

[craggy smelt]

Crossroads shaman did say he invented that spell, but it's just a blast of soul fire
I don't know how hard it would be for someone else to come up with the same idea, either Groal or the snail he killed
I don't think that snail in Bilewater is the crossroads shaman, I think it's another snail

[graceful grail]

There arent any alike snails, they all have diffrbody types for some reason…

[zinc pivot]

Could be from the stilkins, the numerous muckroaches, or citadel

[edgy nebula]

caretaker also says the snail shaman was his cousin, i dont think snail shaman directly mentioned any family outside of the ones in hk

[craggy smelt]

I do like the idea of them fermenting big bags of muckmaggots to extract all the Soul juice

[zinc pivot]

Look at that one damn snail in crystal peak and the one giving us shade soul

[lethal burrow]

Power long sought often breeds hope in the form of optimistic momentum

[edgy nebula]

caretaker, ancestral mound shaman, crystallized mound shaman, and soul sanctum shaman all share body types

[foggy fractal]

caretaker looks pretty similar to the snail shamans we had in hk
especially the shell of this one

[echo trellis]

are the craws crows?

[lethal burrow]

no

[edgy nebula]

chapel maid shaman and bell hermit shaman are by far the weirdest ones, but i like their designs more than the hk ones

[tiny socket]

They are crawbugs

[lethal burrow]

there rooks

[graceful grail]

Snails def have the most variance for the same species

[regal crow]

What’s with the body near ||trubbio||? I thought he was hiding there and ambushed us when we enter the arena, but it’s still there after we beat him

[edgy nebula]

what body

[lethal burrow]

Screenshot please

[regal crow]

To the left of the arena. It looks just like him

[lethal burrow]

(also this is a free land you do not need to worry about blocking out your text)

[edgy nebula]

do you mean the painting

[regal crow]

That’s a painting?

[edgy nebula]

yeah theres a painting of trobbio to the left of his arena

[lethal burrow]

I don't know that you're both thinking of the same thing

[lucid fossil]

brah what 😭

[regal crow]

It shows it in this clip

[echo trellis]

Spells when in silksong

[foggy fractal]

that's just a painting

[lucid fossil]

thats a painting brah

[foggy fractal]

we had something similar with marissa in hk

[regal crow]

That’s a weirdly shaped frame

[lethal burrow]

Painters, love, butterflies

And butterflies have a tendency to be performers evidently

[regal crow]

Painters love butterflies? You don’t say

[lucid fossil]

no its just hidden behind curtains

[edgy nebula]

oh we did thats cool, i wonder if theyre related at all, itd be cool

[foggy fractal]

looks pretty normal to me

[coarse sonnet]

Guess the grubberflies have a bright future in performance

[lucid fossil]

anyways do you guys think horney has some sort of foresight b'coz Like It Seems As If Shes Getting Final Destination'd Everytime She Wakes Up (she does a little GASP and jolts awake)

[zinc pivot]

Shame we see like, 1 butterfly each game

[edgy nebula]

we should talk about the most goated character in ss

[regal crow]

Is that what trubbio is? Yeah, total drama queen

[edgy nebula]

mottled skarr

[lucid fossil]

voltwyrm

[edgy nebula]

third best

[coarse sonnet]

I'm a fan of this head canon for sure

[lucid fossil]

pale wyrm and volt wyrm are related CONFIRMED

[edgy nebula]

voltvyrm doesnt have a w

[lucid fossil]

i meaaann itd make sense rite b'coz half wyrm 🙀

[zinc pivot]

volt V yrm

[lucid fossil]

FUCK

idont know how i missed that LMA

[foggy fractal]

nah Trobbio looks nothing like grub

[coarse sonnet]

you can even apply it to the knight's bench mechanic

[zinc pivot]

I ponder at flea lore
They seem to have a mythical divine mother too

[lucid fossil]

tru but does he also jolt awake? i thought he just Sat There

[lucid fossil]

theyre like fleas that travel or something

the mythical divine mother is probably just their ancestor

[coarse sonnet]

voided, no care in they head

[edgy nebula]

possibly the flea spirit from the scrapped game files

[coarse sonnet]

might even say, no voice to cry suffering

[zinc pivot]

There is a flea spirit?

[lucid fossil]

yah in game files but it never shows up

[edgy nebula]

iirc it's a scrapped sprite from in the game files that wouldve been present in the flea games

[lucid fossil]

#ref...

[lucid fossil]

what if getting 666 in flea bounce made them show up and personally congratulate you

[lucid fossil]

boomer piiickk

[zinc pivot]

SS the goated SS character

[lucid fossil]

why do they talk like a robot though i thought they were powered by one of those gleamflies or whatever

[lethal burrow]

fine then i choose greyroot

[edgy nebula]

false

[lucid fossil]

this is like half valid but they kinda give you a parasite

[tiny socket]

I wonder if the mythical mother flea would win against the grand mother silk?