sk-lore

[limpid summit]

Yeah I see
Then the sin being the first number works best because the unnamed sinner is “Twelfth of the First” so the twelfth sin must have been something specific

[fading whale]

I think she's like "of the first batch of weavers I am the last"

[edgy barn]

Just aura farm as far as I know

[limpid summit]

That could be Romino/Old Penitent honestly

[rain gate]

and his penance was by swallowing
i had this conversation yesterday and since sands of karak is right below the slab, they were probably "swallowed" by the worms there

[potent patio]

Is it possible that gms existed longer than the pk?

[edgy barn]

We don't know how old any higher beings are (apart from the knight)

[pseudo charm]

Defo possible but not confirmed

[left dune]

the knight isn't a higher being though

[teal drift]

Ballow, Pondcatcher reed, who else are examples of unhaunted generic enemies? I dont really count Grindle.

[pseudo charm]

They are

[edgy barn]

It is after getting voidheart

[fading whale]

This is all just assumptions though. That room where first sinner is, with those tablets detailing their sins, is pretty hidden, I would assume it's a secret jail room for naughty weavers, so fourth, first, etc refers to which lineage of weavers they're related to

[left dune]

Is that confirmed?

[bronze turret]

It's safe to say Ghost became one by the end of the game

[fading whale]

First sinner is the first weaver of the first lineage, with my theory widow is presumably the last of the first lineage, then there's the fourth and so on

[proud swan]

Ok absolution not being granted makes me think the weaver stated in the slab HAS to be dead. Because Absolution is only granted after death. Why would you bother absolute someone

[potent patio]

I feel like it’s likely due to evidence of the pharlooms religion in hallownest pre pk (for example markoths rosary necklace)

[proud swan]

Penitent, Eighth of the Twelfth.Guilty of the sin of irreverence.Penance by chaining.Absolution granted after death.Penitent, Second of the Fourth.Guilty of the sin of dissonance.Penance by silencing.Absolution granted after death.

[sinful nimbus]

Bardoon notes that it has surpassed the Pale King with a "strength before unseen"

[left dune]

I mean idk because higher being isn't a measure of strength it depends on your lineage

[pseudo charm]

I think that one friendly ant?

[rain gate]

also if we assume twelfth of the first is widow, her absolution was not granted as opposed to first sinner's being outright denied

[limpid summit]

Hornet isn’t a higher being until weaver queen

[silk dirge]

interestingly first sinner says "absolution denied" while that one says "not granted"

[sinful nimbus]

Lineage isn't indicated to matter but The Knight is descended from two higher beings

[fading whale]

Also how dooes "absolution denied " differ to "absolution not granted " ? Because both of those terms are used for different sinners

[sinful nimbus]

They aren't formally absolved of sins

[proud swan]

Im not against your theory we just wanna make it stronger

[fading whale]

We said that at the same time

[rain gate]

and me

[silk dirge]

so it could be widow has not had absolution granted bc shes still alive?

[lethal burrow]

what did grandmother silk actually do that was bad?

[proud swan]

Ok what the hell is actually casting in this context?

[potent patio]

Isn’t she in a similar tier to weavers with the ability to bind like Eva?

[left dune]

I'd say the knight is a higher being after embrace the void ending but idk about the others even dream no more

[sinful nimbus]

In the present day or before she was sealed

[limpid summit]

Yes she’s a powerful being PV isn’t a HB either

[lethal burrow]

The latter

[silk dirge]

and then first sinner was straight up denied meaning she is literally not allowed to die

[spare pendant]

to the weavers, lying to them and making them for servitude

to everyone else, colonialism

[silk dirge]

those other prisoners probably mightve died which is why it says their absolution was granted

[potent patio]

Pure vessel?

[lethal burrow]

Where did she do the first two?

[bronze turret]

I would account unifying the Void under one's will as powerful enough to be considered a Higher Being, personally!

[limpid summit]

I think Twelfth of the First might be Old Penitent he has the same sentiment about his sin being too great to name and “absolution not granted” could just mean he’s been forced to work

[sinful nimbus]

Weavers had to build Weavenest Atla to escape her "Silken Sight" which implies she probably had an overbearing presence over the weavers

[left dune]

Sure, although who knows tbh.

[limpid summit]

Especially if we consider he might be a former Conductor that would have been kept under wraps

[rain gate]

"called us daughters... called us divine... she lied."

[spare pendant]

First sinner says she lied to them about being divine, her daughters, etc when they were really enlightened pharlids

[edgy barn]

The way I interpret it is that "Absolution not granted" means there is a possibility it will still be granted in the future, "Absolution denied" means is final, you are never getting it.

[lethal burrow]

grandmother silk might've believed it though

[silk dirge]

i dont believe the conductor romino is him bc romino does not seem like the type of person to fall for the sin shit

[spare pendant]

Daughter here is a very literal "came out of her loins" type beat I think

[silk dirge]

romino seems like someone who saw right through everything so why would he care

[limpid summit]

It’s not about whether he cares though if you go against the citadel you’re done

[rain gate]

also semi-unrelated but its interesting to me how weavers always go deep wherever they are
all the weavenests are in the lowlands/abyss, they went to deepnest in hallownest, the one in the city of steel was beneath it

[sinful nimbus]

Cognitive dissonance is a thing

[limpid summit]

Pharlooms Folly isn’t exactly a joyful ode to the place

[proud swan]

can we talk about the fact the description says "guilty of an unnamed sin" like how cruel is that

[potent patio]

Maybe it’s instinct to try to escape the gaze of gms

[silk dirge]

yeah thats what im saying but he doesnt seem like the type of person who would be fine serving thinking he just did something wrong when he knows the whole place is fucked

[sinful nimbus]

guilty of an unnamed sin (kissing men)

[bronze turret]

My hint is that Godseeker calls Ghost "God of Gods" only after they attain their eldritch form, like Higher Being and then some! But that's just me

[edgy barn]

"We don't even have a name for what you did but it sure is a sin"

[limpid summit]

Perhaps he uncovered the existence of GMS but they threw him in jail so they could keep trying to attain immortality

[spare pendant]

godseeker is an unreliable narrator though

[limpid summit]

The sin was exposing the true nature of the citadel as a tomb

[proud swan]

More like "we just dont like you so we casting you" whatever that means

[silk dirge]

guilty of an unamed sin(stealing estrogen from whiteward)

[potent patio]

Also didn’t the weavers have children in Hk?

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[spare pendant]

not with eachother but yes

[limpid summit]

Little Weavers aren’t really explained

[left dune]

Doesn't Godseeker call the void entity the god of gods not necessarily the Knight (yes the knight becomes the void entinity but im saying that before that with voidheart the knight isn't a higher being yet).

[potent patio]

Wdym?

[proud swan]

Ok if widow in last of the first, that means there were TWELVE generations?

[spare pendant]

the weavers are all sisters

[limpid summit]

Maybe kids of Weavers and Devouts

[fading whale]

I doubt old penitent is related to that room, to me it seems that room is talking about weavers exclusively, and the numbers refer to their positions in the different lineages of weavers. If we throw a random other bug in there there's no way to explain the numbers

[bronze turret]

I always assumed that was Ghost but on a more powerful scale above Lord of Shades, not a separate entity.

[proud swan]

because there is Eighth of the Twelfth

[limpid summit]

They don’t have any special powers

[potent patio]

Isn’t that formally? Not genetically technically?

[sinful nimbus]

Twelve seems like it would be way off

[spare pendant]

they're all women. they can't breed

[left dune]

idk maybe

[edgy barn]

The Knight can clear the first four phanteons and it still won't be enough for godseeker to see them as godly. It takes literally there not being anybody else for them to beat for the godseeker to recognize them

[potent patio]

Okay details

[sinful nimbus]

That would mean at maximum 9 weavers established the Citadel which ig is possible

[edgy barn]

That"s some next level bias

[fading whale]

It's said it's very rare and difficult not completely impossible

[spare pendant]

there are no male weavers, so to breed they need to crossbreed

[rain gate]

if widow is last of the first, then there were 12

[silk dirge]

what happened to the 10th

[potent patio]

So how tf did they make Eva?

[spare pendant]

eva is silkborn

[proud swan]

No I mean if First Sinner is first of the first, Widow is last of the first, that gotta mean first refers to generation, right?

[limpid summit]

(Sin) of the (sinner) seems sufficient
First Sinner being the first person to commit a great sin, that of apostasy
OP being the first person to commit his sin, number twelve because it was unnamed and thus late in the order of sins in which bugs were jailed for

[rain gate]

silk

[limpid summit]

Considering regular bugs are locked up it doesn’t have to just be Weavers

[potent patio]

Didn’t she say she was half weaver?

[bronze turret]

Ah... true. Forget what I said, then!

[proud swan]

if theres a Eighth of the Twelfth, we're talking about twelfth generation

[spare pendant]

No, she was talking about hornet

[sinful nimbus]

First Sinner and Widow would be opposed to the citadel and Herrah wouldn't be in the region

[limpid summit]

Weavers were ousted long ago and the citadel stands

[silk dirge]

oh yeah that makes sense

[potent patio]

Ah

[rain gate]

also we see lots of weavers in the red memory

[proud swan]

please answer to me Im very interested in what you said 😭 that may legit be a breakthrough

[fading whale]

Then why is his sentence tablet thing in a random hidden room with a much more important figure (first sinner) ?

[potent patio]

There are so many godhome dlc bosses thats would be sick, like Eva

[fading whale]

I think gms made several lineages of weavers, that's my theory here

[edgy barn]

I don't think that makes sense, it's Twelve of the First, not First of the Twelve.

[rain gate]

yeah and the twelfth sin would be apostasy

[potent patio]

What does 12 of the 1st mean?

[lethal burrow]

also first sinner was the first to do rune stuff so maybe that can be used to date her imprisonment somehow

[bronze turret]

Sounds plausible!

[rain gate]

one of the sinners in the slab's sentence (presumably widow)

[lethal burrow]

The first would be a group and they would be the 12th in the group.

[bronze turret]

Maybe it means "number 12 of the first generation". There are quite a couple of story elements revolving around the theme of family and inheritance in the game, so it's not hard to think

[potent patio]

Ah

[sinful nimbus]

I think the casted sinner being Widow is very tenuous

[edgy barn]

No, Apostasy was FS's sin. The sin of the twelth sinner is unnamed

[rain gate]

oh wait yeah

[sinful nimbus]

She's not even in the Slab

[rain gate]

sorry writing an essay my brain is fried rn lmao

[teal finch]

"yeah we're jailing you for reasons" certified citadel moment

[potent patio]

That’s honestly pretty dystopian. Imagine instead of using their names you gave them basically codes

[fading whale]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's super likely, it's just a connection I made , a theory. But she doesn't have to still be in jail, she was punished and then eventually was released

[proud swan]

Thats what im thinking also

[bronze turret]

The school I used to go back in second grade did this. They didn't do the roll call by our names, they did the roll call by our numbers

[rain gate]

maybe the "casting" is her being cast(shaped) to serve

[spare pendant]

They could make male weavers actually.

12 weavers have 15 half-weavers
21 pairs of half-weavers each have 15 three quarter-weavers with eachother
315 pairs of three quarter-weavers each have 15 87.5% weavers with eachother
and so on!

[rain gate]

so shes not actually jailed

[lethal burrow]

wow, it would really suck if they did that in real....

[edgy barn]

Doesn't that lead to a lot of incest or I am I misinterpriting

[fading whale]

That's what I think too. And first sinner being first generation explains her head being the shape it is

[spare pendant]

i didnt say i was a good mathematician

[teal finch]

im not gonna lie i dont know what youre cooking here

[edgy nebula]

We have no notes of male weavers, so we can assume theyre all female

[quick cairn]

would you guys say that silk skills are spells ?

[edgy barn]

yeah

[rain gate]

also there had to be at least seven or eight weavers, counting herrah, that fled to Hallownest, because thats how many we see in the red memory

[spare pendant]

basically with the right plan they could make thousands of unrelated near full blooded weavers

[lethal burrow]

Mechanically, yes

[fading whale]

Silk is soul so yes

[edgy barn]

How many dead ones we see in weaver's den?

[quick cairn]

wait that's true

[spare pendant]

actually, come to think of it, it wouldn't since Weavers aren't related

[lethal burrow]

ehhh

[rain gate]

idk im going off the wiki

[spare pendant]

silk isn't soul it's just infused with soul

[lethal burrow]

which one?

[rain gate]

not the fandom one

[spare pendant]

hollowknight.wiki?

[dark rune]

gornet moment

[spare pendant]

extralife uses a lot of ai sadly

[edgy barn]

...yeah why not

[lethal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-gif-5744244850649843512

[bronze turret]

Well that's a good ~~excuse ~~reason to hop into the game after so long! 😂

[edgy barn]

I have HK booted up right now

[dark rune]

I have HK shoed down right now

[bronze turret]

I'll be back in 10/15 minutes, I need to take a shower

[foggy fractal]

I have hollow knight

[lethal burrow]

But you don't have a bio

[bronze turret]

NO WAIT

That's actually a fun idea! See who gets to the den first from a fresh file!

[foggy fractal]

yes

[dark rune]

and so they were in agreement

[proud swan]

I really think your theory is really interesting Im looking in text dump if I can find something that helps it

[lethal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-won-win-winning-argument-gif-2296781933251609382

[bronze turret]

I'm still going to take a shwoer though, you guys have fun!

[fading whale]

Fine thread spun from the soul of its creator. Highly coveted for its remarkable strength and mystical properties. Used to heal wounds, extend life and weave powerful runes.

It is soul

[dark rune]

its pretty much soul shaped into a shape

the shape press presses the shape into a pressed shape

[spare pendant]

chapel maid says it's silk and soul entwined i think

[rain gate]

assuming eight fled to hallownest counting herrah (im using red memory numbers from what i can see), five weavenests, the three other weaver children, widow, and the first sinner, that adds up to at least 18 weavers everywhere

[bronze turret]

Snail Shamans are basically sorcerers and their charms dwell in the use of soul, so I declare soul is (a type of) magic(al energy)!

[dark rune]

what about the things you bind from

[spare pendant]

red memory is unreliable though

[rain gate]

ahhhhh good point

and the weaver effigies too

plus the alive one yeah?

so at least 5 in hallownest

you get all the ancestral arts and silk skills from those weaver statues right?

[fading whale]

I don't see that in her dialogue on the wiki

[lethal burrow]

You can say it's made of soul

[lethal burrow]

You're thinking of the seamstress

[fading whale]

Yeah that's what I'm saying, it's made from soul it's just the way weavers use their soul for stuff

[rain gate]

i know im just using that for counting purposes

well other than pale nails and rune rage

[fading whale]

Yeah she does say silk and soul intertwined something like that

But I'd rather take the materium's word over the seamstress

[proud swan]

Ok the only thing I found out about widow (which probably I was the only one that didnt know) is that she is called Spinner on text dump for some reason

[sinful nimbus]

File names my beloved

Seer was just called "Witch" in HK's files

[edgy barn]

Spinner because she spins silk I suppose

[rain gate]

so!
six confirmed in hallownest, four silk skill spires, four ancestral art spires, five weavenests, three weaver children, the two other elegy weavers, widow, and first sinner
that adds up to a total of twenty-six confirmed weavers

[proud swan]

Yeah not much of a mistery

[rain gate]

actually twenty-eight if we assume one of these is atla

[summer pendant]

what about the cages? can we glean info from those?

[proud swan]

is that on weavenest?

[rain gate]

if you mean the ones in the slab, we dont know if those are all weavers

[edgy barn]

You can bring it down to twenty-seven if you believe Atlas is First Sinner but meh is not that good of a theory

[rain gate]

ehhhh

doubtful

[summer pendant]

i was thinking of the ones in the cradle, but I guess there's no reason to believe any of the parents of the people indicated on the cages are unaccounted for

[rain gate]

i counted them

[fading whale]

And to be fair those aren't even full weavers

[edgy nebula]

shrug

[pastel timber]

in retrospect that does look a lot like a tiara style crown on its forehead

[lethal burrow]

what would you say is the most valuable/coveted object in the Hollow knight universe?

[left dune]

Didn't most people think that from the beginning anyway?

[fading whale]

Now that I look at it again that could feasibly be a pharlid looking head, especially considering how long before silksong was even a thing this was created maybe it's where team cherry got the idea for pharlid design from

[proud swan]

Does anyone know if its possible to image search on game files?

[pastel timber]

oo yeah its body is kinda shaped like a huge pharlid

[proud swan]

I mean if I can access it im thinking I could match some stuff with all images maybe we get some kinda of hit, i dunno

[fading whale]

It has four eyes and the spikey head, though I'm definitely reaching here, maybe they're not even connected lore wise in canon, but team cherry turned to what they've already designed for weavers for inspiration

[proud swan]

It would be one HELL of a giant pharlid

You guys mean this? EDIT: Ah some already posted it, sry

[fading whale]

Maybe it's just a statue. Again, when that room was created by team cherry I doubt they even knew what pharlids were. Unless they've known such major silksong story beats long before they even announced silksong

[summer pendant]

why do we think there's a "sire of deepnest"?

[fading whale]

Yeah that confused me too

Wooow wtf I think I either completely forgot that existed or somehow never saw it

[pastel timber]

TC like to put a lot of strange contraptions here and there, like that shrine or the grimm troupe chart or even the collectors weird grub rune thing, i dont think we're supposed to be able to decipher what it is but they almost definitely looked back on it for inspiration given how close to a pharlid it does actually look

[proud swan]

So funny that in Pharloom weavers were like gods and in Hallownest she is a common beast

[jovial trail]

The void heart charm

[summer pendant]

weird phrasing. the twisting scratching don't sound like they refer to the weavers, but it says "their mother" as if these guys are related to the weavers

[pastel timber]

i was wondering actually, deepnests distant village is clearly made of silk cocoons and such, and in the red memory we see the weaver banners, so were weavers really a lower caste or was herrah just not very important amongst them

[proud swan]

I think weavers were just not that big of a deal in hallownest, after all they did not have their almighty grand mother

[summer pendant]

Yes I know who Herrah is, thank you, she's not a worm's mom though is she. If you don't understand the question can you ask for clarification instead of thinking I'm dumb

[pastel timber]

its probably just framing the king and queen as "sire and mother" of the land itself

[summer pendant]

ok we can just ignore it that's fine

[proud swan]

they were also immigrants. take from that what you will 😭😭

[obsidian quail]

what do we want? another Wyrm! when do want it? now!

[summer pendant]

idk why herrah would be "mother" of the land she immigrated to

[median forge]

Haha racism

[pastel timber]

given the hidden station PK definitely picked up on the power of silk at some point, i think lemm mentions they moved to silk for writing records at some point too

[summer pendant]

I mean these are the twisting scratching things, of whom Herrah is not the mother

[fading whale]

Probably means their queen

[summer pendant]

so we agree the phrasing's weird

[proud swan]

lots of stuff are written in silk in SS so it makes sense

[fading whale]

But yes the phrasing is weird, the other mushroom tablets also have this issue with weird grammar

[summer pendant]

you think the mindless spike worms recognised the divine right of herrah

[fading whale]

I don't know man, maybe the tablet is talking about everyone in deepnest maybe the mushrooms are racist

The weavers are referred to as vicious savage old things in silksong too, could be talkimg about weaver too

[pastel timber]

mushroom hive mind cant comprehend single minded species, classic anti-individualist mindset

[fading whale]

In any case herrah actually is a common bug after all, pharlid and all. Unless we assume pharlids were just the first of the bugs gms decided to ascent and then used other ones too

[median forge]

Those little yelling dudes were racist? Damn

[fading whale]

They're yelling slurs probably

[pastel timber]

the choice of words is definitely interesting though
sire specifically also refers to a father rather than just a king

[median forge]

That might be zote y'all /j

[proud swan]

Does anyone know where this description is from? I remember it somehow

"A rune-scroll depicting void given form."

[fading whale]

But no I personally think every weaver lineage does come from pharlids, first sinner has a weird head cause she was the first attempt. Then as the lineages grew larger, crossbreeding and different directions in their creation as well with different kinds of upbringing is good enough for me to explain why some Weaver's bodies are different than others

[fading whale]

Journal entry tablet for void tendrils I think

[pastel timber]

pretty much every "pure" weaver we see looks more or less the same anyway with the exception of herrah

[summer pendant]

I think it's interesting that the mushrooms identify the land as belonging to the worms, but still acknowledge Herrah as their mother because of her role as queen. Makes me wonder whether the "sire" has anything to do with weavers at all

[summer pendant]

herrah looks like a big weaver with her mask ripped off, like the widow, no?

[fading whale]

Which can be chalked up to being fed special stuff to make her plump for her motherhood lol

[pastel timber]

i think they mean "land of the twisting scratching things" as in "thats the land where the twisting scratching things are"

[sinful nimbus]

Except for the horns yeah

[pastel timber]

sounds about right honestly

[fading whale]

Not exactly, other weaver bodies are pure black and spinney, her body is grey with segments

[summer pendant]

still says "their" mom though so

[sinful nimbus]

She was redesigned in SS

[fading whale]

She's not shown naked in ss

But even then she looks different than the other weavers

[sinful nimbus]

Her body is clearly different though

[pastel timber]

i mean we can nitpick the exact wording all we like but we can still gather the intention is to tell us shes the queen of deepnest, unless anyone wants to argue she actually gave birth to the non-weaver deepnestlings

[fading whale]

Yes agree, and my personal guess is that she was raised to be a queen , kind of like queen bees are different cause of that royal paste thing they are fwd

[pastel timber]

baseless theory but maybe she fattened herself up for a long hibernation, like how bears do, cause in silksong shes completely covered in drapes so we have no idea what she looks like underneath, just that in hk shes considerably larger

[rain gate]

do i need to pull out the image lmao

[median forge]

Whip it out

Genuinely forgot what she looks like
(Why is the fuckass slowmode so long)

[spare pendant]

bears don't hibernate like that actually, she's more like comatose

bear hibernation is more of a very long period of energy conservation, not actual sleep

like seasonal depression

[sinful nimbus]

You also can't eat enough to hibernate eternally

[lone folio]

It feels odd that there was no troupe stuff in silksong, when I first saw trobbios poem I thought he was 100% troupe related but he most likely isn't at all

[pastel timber]

troupe goes after dying kingdoms and i suppose we save pharloom in the end

[lone folio]

We save hallownest aswell

[fading whale]

I think herrah's fattening was more likely related to her being queen/having to have a child

[pastel timber]

not really, hallownest is already firmly dead, theres like 4 people and the mantis tribe and thats it

[fading whale]

For more information Google "Herrah inflation hollow knight"

[pastel timber]

how will this affect the pharloom economy

[lone folio]

I mean I guess but they could of always appeared in act 3

I feel like he has some sort of idea of them

Maybe the heart appeared in his dream once?

[rain gate]

my opinion is that hes an anti-grimm troupe

[median forge]

I feel like he's Grimms secret lover

[rain gate]

he tries to revive a kingdom before the troupe can claim the flame

[fading whale]

Crucially, hallownest is dead because its creator and ruler is dead and has been for a long time.

Pharloom is explicitly stated to have existed before gms and not be created by it.

Sure the lands of hallownest existed too, but it wasn't called that before the pale king iirc

[lone folio]

That's also a fun theory!

[median forge]

There's 4 different headcanons in this one screen

[pastel timber]

they had to send the herald out to plant the nightmare flame torch* in hallownest, silksongs act 3 apocalypse takes place over a very short amount of time

[pastel timber]

and theyre all true

[lucid fossil]

last one is the best

[median forge]

Enemies to lovers 😍

Why is that such a funny phrase that just exists

[pastel timber]

tall goth bf x sparkly theatre kid bf

[lucid fossil]

guys help me find a straight ship in silksong there has to be one rite

[median forge]

Trobbio prolly has a grimmchild of his own somewhere

[lone folio]

Trobbio will always be my favourite

[lucid fossil]

yuri and yaoi is everywher…

[edgy barn]

Khann x Karmelita

[lone folio]

His ✨ dramatic ✨ death and ✨ dramatic ✨ entrance in act 3 made me laugh honestly

[pastel timber]

hallownest died because it had straight ships but pharloom could still be saved because it didnt

[median forge]

Love how the chat went from actuall lore to yaoi

[lucid fossil]

BOY

[lucid fossil]

this is so real. correlation IS causation

[pastel timber]

ahem
hot take the greymoor rain is actually strands of silk raining down from the citadel

[edgy barn]

Would people still relate Trobbio to the grimm troupe if tormented trobbio was his only version

[lucid fossil]

Why is the floor wet then

[edgy barn]

Or his base form was blue or smth

[median forge]

Wet silk duh

[lone folio]

Silk water duh

[lucid fossil]

boy

[median forge]

Or probobly bird piss

[pastel timber]

sometimes it feels like the colour red is all they point at like "relight pharlooms flame" does NOT mean "let it die so grimm can eat it"

[lucid fossil]

u both r dead

[lucid fossil]

that’s a lot of piss

[lone folio]

Moorwing didn't find the restroom

[median forge]

There's alot of birds in greymoor 🤷‍♂️

[lone folio]

Moorwing water duh

[pastel timber]

it doesnt look particularly wet is there like a walking animation with water splashes

[lucid fossil]

is fhis the real reason why she went on a killing spree

[lucid fossil]

yeah when you jump onto the floor you see water splashes

maybe the same for walking

[lethal burrow]

Something something birth metamorphosis

[lucid fossil]

herrah is one weird ass weaver

[pastel timber]

that could totally be silk scraps (coping)

[lucid fossil]

no no it’s ok it’s silk strands scrap 🥹

[lone folio]

I like how in silksong we have a cult that worships some sort of god of fire and their primary color is red.

[median forge]

I never noticed how fucking cool widow looks

[lone folio]

Wisp thicket my beloved ❤️

[median forge]

She looks like a goddam stand user

[lucid fossil]

does weaver specifically refer to a pharlid that was elevated by mother silk or does it apply to any bug that was elevated by her

[pastel timber]

team cherry laughing their ass off rewriting grimm troupe but pagan and not actually divine

[lethal burrow]

As far as we know, there are no other bugs that were elevated by her

[lone folio]

Except for herrah she's clearly a gruzzer

[lucid fossil]

ya, I was just wondering why herrah looks so different though, maybe she was a different bug but ermm idk

[pastel timber]

if there were we'd surely see others with the power to produce silk

[lucid fossil]

i thought regular weavers couldn’t das why hornet was the special kid

[edgy barn]

regulars weavers can

[median forge]

Couldn't what

[lucid fossil]

wow hornet is like not special at all she just had a different father

[pastel timber]

no hornets special cause shes the only one left alive except widow who was staked in the silk gland to stop her producing any

[edgy barn]

Strong shell

[lucid fossil]

produce silk within their shell

[lone folio]

What's the deal with the area anyways? I have seen something about the citadel bugs rebelling and maybe the silk maden things and greymoor and stuff

[pastel timber]

"different father" and its god himself

[spark lintel]

Quick HC

GMS is a loving mother to lace

[pastel timber]

assumedly when the sinners road guys talk about "greymoor used to be a farming zone before the citadel made them spend their days catching their runoff silk" they mean the wisp thicket extended down into greymoor, fertile land

[median forge]

Hornet just casually being a demigod ong

[spark lintel]

When she's not fighting hornet

[lucid fossil]

meh he’s just a silly little guy that can elevate bugs from instinctual intelligence to sapient intelligence (im seeing a pattern here)

[pastel timber]

true! shes just not very good at it

[edgy barn]

Lace would kill you for saying that

[lucid fossil]

that’s like what it is though not a headcanon 🙀 mother silk loves lace and lace doesn’t love mother silk

[spark lintel]

So would many daughters of rich parents

[pastel timber]

guys i think team cherry copied hollow knight..

[lucid fossil]

holy shit sue threm NOW

[prime notch]

guys i think hollow knight and silksong are connected
could be wrong

[lucid fossil]

Yeah ok bud. proof?

[spark lintel]

🤯

[median forge]

I think the knight is hollow, is this real

[lucid fossil]

Very likely story my dude

[spark lintel]

I can't wait for my AO3 account to be made

[pastel timber]

hornet from hollow knight and silksong from silksong look so similar are they sisters

[lucid fossil]

I ACTUALLY don’t know because I thought the void heart made them truly hollow, even though they Kinda Show Emotion By Saving Hornet

[spark lintel]

Twin sisters fr

[pastel timber]

good lord they turned the saturation up

[lucid fossil]

yeah LOL look at the first trailer footage

[prime notch]

i mean the one in hollow knight was more powerful because they were able to use all their abilities in 1 fight

[median forge]

I never noticed how neon fucking red she is

[pastel timber]

the whole crux of the first game is that none of the vessels are actually hollow pale king was just wrong

[spark lintel]

Do y'all remember that shit ass game theory HK vid

[median forge]

Pale king was a horrible father for nothing

[prime notch]

bro im still mad they got rid of coral tower being an actual area and made it a gauntlet

[median forge]

He was a horrible father, and a great father at the same time

[pastel timber]

no cause! hornet wouldve died if the knight was never created

[spark lintel]

Chat as much as the pale king ran a colony

He is a worse parent than GMS

[lucid fossil]

yah I thought the void heart description said something about being hollow though

[summer pendant]

My understanding of it was that when the void inhabited the shell of the vessel, as per the pale king's molding tactics the shell suppressed the nature of the void to some extent to give it the pale king's desired purpose. The void heart is the shell and the void uniting and becoming one, no longer fighting against one another and hence being acknowledged as a void being by the void, but not losing the identity gained from the shell (after all, the voidheart is also the kingsoul, representation of the shell born of tree and wyrm)

[lucid fossil]

Girl id rather have my king not care about his children than have a queen that fucks everyone else to spoil hers

[pastel timber]

it talks about the "emptiness" within but i think that just refers to the void itself

[prime notch]

i wonder whats outside of pharloom and hallownest
Like is it a big area that just connects civilizations

[edgy barn]

"better parent that the guy who killed tens of thousands of his own children" is not the defense you think it is.

[median forge]

Gms is literally every nepo parent 😭

[pastel timber]

this makes sense, the void and shade attack you cause your shell is divine, it holds tons of soul, and thats what void eats, then when you get voidheart the void no longer tries to consume your soul

[lucid fossil]

this is the first time someone sent me a message longer than 3 sentences and I actually understood it, thank u sir 🥹

[spark lintel]

She's still better than pale king tho

[median forge]

He was a great father to like... One singular child tho!

[lucid fossil]

does that mean the shades in the abyss were trying to cannibalize us (their sibling)

[median forge]

That he later sealed and locked away forever

[pastel timber]

yes!

[lucid fossil]

aww our older brothers are so pure ❤️

[edgy barn]

Again, not a high bar. And almost every child of GMS ended up despising her.

[median forge]

With a disease that made him Lowkey do self harm when he was sout pf his constraints

[spark lintel]

Just a phase lol

[summer pendant]

Kiiiind of. Remember the white palace, the kingsmould are made of void, but their actions are entirely decided by the shell it was put into. In a way, your siblings are freeing you from the evil prison suit controlling you, assuming you're the void. Only when the shell and void unite in purpose do they stop attacking you, acknowledging that you are no longer trapped within an enemy

[spark lintel]

He wasn't too bad

[median forge]

Hell he looks bald

[pastel timber]

honestly i never looked that much into the voidhearts description besides "unifies the void" but i really love this perspective on it

[median forge]

The transparency made him bald 😭

[lethal burrow]

"him"

[median forge]

Genders are confusing ok, I thought sherma was a woman leave me the DUCK ALONE

[dire lynx]

just read the dialogue 🥀

[median forge]

For an entire week when silksong released I thought sherma was a girl until a video referred to them as he

[summer pendant]

i do think it's interesting though that the siblings somehow retain part of their given purpose when the shell breaks, since they keep the shape (but not the "mind"). Maybe even in a way similar to the Collector, but since they took on their identity from corpses they weren't granted a voice? Clearly their unique identity is retained even when they do join a greater pool of void. I'm curious to see where it goes in the future!

[pastel timber]

its easy the genders take after the parents
gms (woman) has kids, all girls
pale king (man) and white lady (woman) have kids, they go in the middle (non binary)

[summer pendant]

I guess the void is very prone to molding, which lends credence to the theory that it's a sort of primordial soup huh

Very keen to gain and retain an identity

[lethal burrow]

indeed

[summer pendant]

I wonder if there's some leftover void lace down there in the void, made up of the void that was removed from lace's body

[pastel timber]

i think given what hornet says of the silksong void, that the tentacles are the form it "chooses" which makes its "nature" clear, changing the form of the void may change the way it acts? void is strange

[covert tusk]

It makes me giggle realizing they’re technically followers of the same religion

[pastel timber]

absolute lost lace oh god

[lucid fossil]

see that’s what i said, our siblings are so nice 🥹❤️ (thank u idk how u know everything but i eat ts up…)

[lucid fossil]

except one is cuter I’ll let you figure out which one

[summer pendant]

I don't know everything at all, but I love sharing what I do know! <3

[pastel timber]

yeah this!!
void being a malleable thing is super interesting, i love the implications of it we get from silksong, we know so little about its true nature i hope we get more

[covert tusk]

Widow

[lucid fossil]

loud correct buzzer

[barren beacon]

One's a powerful being that was ascended by GMS herself. The other is widow

[median forge]

Can we all address shermas old voice in that trailer where he's like "hehehehe"

[proud swan]

Yes. The religion of aura

[barren beacon]

Lost Phantom

[proud swan]

I still cant accept sherma is a lil dude

[median forge]

Thought that was funny as shit compared to the final product

[barren beacon]

We all need to grow up and learn at some point

[pastel timber]

all hail sherma god king of new pharloom

[summer pendant]

on the other hand, we don't know of any example of void gaining an identity without an example to go off of, outside the uhhh tendrils I guess. So it's unlikely it's actually the origin of life... maybe?

[barren beacon]

Collector

[lucid fossil]

oh yeah I’ve been wondering, what do you guys think the black faces on silk beings are?? i thought they were more than just a design choice because 1. phantom tries to cover it, and 2. its the last part of mother silk left when binding her

[median forge]

Still can't believe he just casually made it through blasted steps

[summer pendant]

What about collector

[barren beacon]

They crazy

[summer pendant]

yeah they got that from the love bug, i thought was the leading theory

[ancient dock]

GMS doesn’t have a face

[obsidian quail]

her eyes are probably white since they inverse the colors

like Lace

[lucid fossil]

sorry i just meant the blackness where her face is supposed to be

[pastel timber]

it seems like an antithesis to life, soul is life and void is the opposite of soul, but lately ive been wondering if its more like matter/antimatter, and void is its entirely own form of life thats a perfect opposite to soul based life

[summer pendant]

they're not talking about a void phantom I think, just phantom without the mask

[median forge]

I'm sad we didn't get that cool dive move she has, but we still got a cool parry tho

[obsidian quail]

yeah and generally when u see characters with black faces they have white eyes, like Lace

[proud swan]

Bro he just gotta bump those little bells he has

[summer pendant]

well. on the other hand, mask makers imply that nothing has an identity until given a shape, right?

[proud swan]

Tee tee tee tee tee tee

[pastel timber]

maybe even soul is just a substance that only becomes life once formed into a being

[median forge]

Fariduma simanet!

[ancient dock]

I guess this is true , but GMS doesn’t have a face

[lucid fossil]

they should’ve had some sort of reaction when you parry lace with it. lace sees HORNET using her older FORGOTTEN and NEGLECTED sisters parry technique and doesn’t give a shit

[obsidian quail]

i think she’s the only one, maybe it’s some Higher Being thing they thought looked cool

[median forge]

Wait phantom is laces sister?

[obsidian quail]

but lace, shamans, shades etc, even if it doesn’t make sense to have white eyes i think they put it for design purposes

[lucid fossil]

yeah they were both silk beings created by mother

[median forge]

AHAH so gms did play favourites!

[pastel timber]

to be fair like 90% of the citadel knows the same parry technique its likely just the widespread pin fighting technique

[lucid fossil]

she did LOL, left phabtom to rot as in her needolin dialogue

[ancient dock]

Mmm

[lucid fossil]

is there any other enemy that does the little zoom? i know they can parry but only phantom swipes across the screen I think

[pastel timber]

hell even void tentacles have white/grey eyes

[pastel timber]

ohh maybe not

[obsidian quail]

it’s like in Dune movies where they should have completely navy blue eyes but they’re given white scleras because it’s better for appearances

[median forge]

So gms had all of her offspring despise her, pale king killed thousands of his BUUUUUT one of them loved him 😎

[obsidian quail]

u need to be able to see/read a face

it’s actually quite unsettling for humans to not have that, that’s why i think they made the unfathomable being have it (GMS)

[pastel timber]

the weavers were pretty ungrateful really it couldve been way worse

[proud swan]

Un enfant sur le banc

[pastel timber]

yeah i get the feeling that team cherry likes to remind us sometimes that things in this universe are just beyond us, "fathomless" as lace puts it

[proud swan]

Does it? Phantom is supposed to be very skilled according to her

[obsidian quail]

right which really makes no sense, but pure meta design wise we have to see it like that

[edgy barn]

Widow still loved GMS so really is 1-1

[lucid fossil]

Widow is haunted though could be forced love

[barren beacon]

Phantom's entry said that her skill with her weapon was unmatched, iirc

[median forge]

They're both horrible 😎

[pastel timber]

sometimes you sidestep strict lore to make it look cooler too

[edgy barn]

She IS haunted but I feel like she was crazy before that. None of the other haunted bugs act like widow

[proud swan]

Did you ever think that in silksong we kill both a widow and a widower. Like no mercy. Hornet just wanna kill them all

[pastel timber]

wait are the judges of the steps actually haunted

[lucid fossil]

Mayhaps she gave herself to the haunting hence why she could speak normally and converse with hornet, like the moss prophet in hollow knight

[proud swan]

I dont think so

[lucid fossil]

Yes

[proud swan]

Ok quick question. If pilgrims are climbing because of weaver propaganda what the hell is the haunting doing? Just attacking random bugs?

[pastel timber]

someone mentioned the other day there were no strands of silk coming out towards the cradle when they died, i went and checked and i couldnt see any either, just silk in their bodies which doesnt necessarily translate to haunted, just that theyd had silk imbued like every other bug

[obsidian quail]

i actually always wondered why they made void have eyeballs

[lucid fossil]

They removed the strands of silk on death thing, try the needolin

[proud swan]

Yes I think the same, they do not seem haunted

[pastel timber]

oh what that was so cool though </3

[proud swan]

For seeing

[pastel timber]

but in any case, we know that the judges retain their ability to judge while haunted, cause they let sherma through, so yeah widow was probably just like that beforehand

[lucid fossil]

I KNOW i guess it might’ve been too distracting or something, it just got replaced by needolin

[rocky lily]

Is the mists room looping caused by phantom? And are the ghosts phantoms silk?

[median forge]

Sherma our lovely little sherma <3

[proud swan]

Widow was 100% a gms simp. She wouldnt trust a weaver if she wasnt. Theres no way she would be alive

[lucid fossil]

Yah the mist is caused by the exhaust I think since when you kill her the mist clears, dunno about the ghosts though

[rocky lily]

Wait so how does it create more rooms so it loops?

[pastel timber]

assumedly the exhaust organ is venting large amounts of silk waste (?) into the mist and the phantoms are coagulations of that silk

[lucid fossil]

Definitely actually

[spare pendant]

it doesn't actually, hornet just keeps walking in circles canonically

[lucid fossil]

It’s probably hornet getting lost LMAO

[pastel timber]

its haunted

[rocky lily]

Cool

[median forge]

It's supposed to represent being lost in the mist and going in circles

[rocky lily]

The mist kinda pmo for a bit

[median forge]

Lost in the sauce

[lucid fossil]

hornet must’ve been getting lost af if she was seeing entirely new rooms that didn’t exist in the actual room

[rocky lily]

So the mist is js the room where all the steamy stuff is inside sinners road

[pastel timber]

its interesting then that you can also enter the mist from the right

[lucid fossil]

how important do you think the exhaust organ was since we Kinda Killed The Operator

[spare pendant]

All the objects are there, she was just having a hard time distinguishing them with all the mist

[rocky lily]

Wait after i killed phantom does that mean theres no more smoke in the citadel

[lucid fossil]

what an idiot!!

[pastel timber]

she got so lost she accidentally stepped sideways in the z dimension and entered a completely new set of rooms we dont get to see trapped in 2D

[median forge]

Guys what if gms was actually called grand mommy silk and the weavers were silk simps but when they saw yaoi fanart of the pale king they Lowkey changed fanbases

[lucid fossil]

no only for the organ

[pastel timber]

theres one room in the citadel that no longer has the smoke in it, the others do still though

[spare pendant]

You're going in the manifesto.

[lucid fossil]

honestly this actually makes sense LOL i always forget that there’s more than the layer we walk on

[ebon silo]

This is literally what happened wdym what if

[lucid fossil]

isn’t that just the room in the underworks right next to the organ

[pastel timber]

this is the word for word lore of hollow knight but gms is the radiance and the weavers are the moths

[median forge]

God forbid a man wanted to take credit for epic lore

[pastel timber]

oh i was counting underworks as part of the citadel

[lucid fossil]

i can confirm

[ebon silo]

Oh? God forbid a man for telling the truth

[ebon silo]

Bros Ari gibson's alt account

[proud swan]

Some food for thought. Is phantom actually called phantom by someone or does hornet only calls him that because, you know, he is a memory of a past that should not exist? Lace NEVER talking about phantom makes me think that she don't even know who they are. She has to speak to Lace in a mirror somehow. Ik bosses nomes are generally their name but idk

[lucid fossil]

makes sense 😭 did they really just fuck around and make a whole ass organ for the exhaust though??? this is like that one maleficent scene

[ebon silo]

Yo exactly what I've been asking for the past few days

[rocky lily]

Is phantom an accident and they didnt like it so grand mother silk had lace instead

[lucid fossil]

factual news

[pastel timber]

lace does talk to phantom and she goes "sister... why us..." so we know that lace knows phantom fairly well
idk what you mean about "memory of a past that shouldnt exist" phantom was a silk construct made to vent the exhaust from the citadel

[proud swan]

Phantom is literally hidden in the mist where no other bug can reach

[lethal burrow]

Was she made for that or is that what she ended up doing?

[ebon silo]

That's crazy but no I'm pretty sure phantom just lost silk so much she was pretty much dead even if she is still "alive"

[lucid fossil]

im pretty sure hornet names bugs herself, and ts just a theory but phantom is in a steel container similar to the one eva is in

[proud swan]

Isnt it the opposite?

[lucid fossil]

na she’s just old

[median forge]

She an old bitch

[pastel timber]

kinda

[median forge]

Hornet is... Probobly older actually

[pastel timber]

no, lace is the one stood outside of the weird capsule thing

[proud swan]

Ok for some reason I thought it was phantom talking to lace not the other way around. Lace definitely knows phantom she just does not mention, ever

[lucid fossil]

oh yeah can we also mention why phantom has the nicest voice ever LMAO i was not expecting her to sing like that especially since she screams like an angry grandma during the fight

[pastel timber]

she had no reason too tbf

[proud swan]

Phantom is a mercy kill they just wanna die

[lucid fossil]

they wanna die in a duel

[pastel timber]

all of the VAs did such amazing work for silksong like good lord

[lucid fossil]

not just any death! an epic one! why are both phantom and lace such theatre kids

[proud swan]

same bro

[pastel timber]

shes literally the phantom of the opera she probably asked to make it an organ herself for the extra aura

[median forge]

And then there's trobbio

[lucid fossil]

the voice actor for shakra did like 4 or 5 roles I think, one of them I remember is the moss druid

[rocky lily]

Speaking of trobbio how do i even find him

[median forge]

Ultimate gay theatre kid

[lucid fossil]

you find him through the whispering vaults then you can open a shortcut above the bellway

[pastel timber]

you have to go through a room in the bottom left of the whispering vaults

[rocky lily]

Ok ty

[ebon silo]

Yeah so as time went on she lost silk

[pastel timber]

lace needed a constant supply of silk to stay alive, phantom was almost definitely just neglected and forgotten by gms 😭

[rocky lily]

Phantom is the abused and neglected kid in the silk family?

[ebon silo]

Paycheck after paycheck 🥀

[pastel timber]

more or less

[median forge]

Spoiled bitch

[ebon silo]

Do you guys think the weavers left because there was no fine shyts in pharloom so they just left

[pastel timber]

this is lace and phantom

[median forge]

They saw SHEO and nailsmith yaoi and came swarming for sweet sweet yaoi

Fucking shoe

[proud swan]

100%

[edgy barn]

"Our mother... true..."
"Our light divine... "
"Wake... Wake... Wake... "
"Glory to you... "
"Devotion to you... "
"Spin... Bind... Punish... "
"Of the first... the last... "
"We hear you! "

I like how the first two lines of Widow's needolin memory in the cradle are an indirect response to First Sinner.

"Our mother...true...our light divine" VS "She called us daughters...called us divine...she lied"

[edgy barn]

ALSO, this is the same room that Widow's memory cutscene takes place in

[proud swan]

KEEP COOKING

[lucid fossil]

When lost radiance

[lethal burrow]

But for what reason I wonder

[edgy barn]

Which has...implications

[proud swan]

Wait what room is this?

[edgy barn]

One in the cradle

[proud swan]

What makes you say its the same room?

[pastel timber]

wait thats huge?

[pastel timber]

its got a broken harp lying in the foreground

[edgy barn]

And both rooms are associated with Widow.

[proud swan]

Yeah these are strong clues

Theres also a web to the left nearly in the same angle

[edgy barn]

I kind of wish the cradle didn't get destroyed in Act 3 so I could check it out myself

[lone nimbus]

Did pharloom have any leaders before Grandmaster chess player Silk came in or did it just run wild?

[lethal burrow]

How far have you gotten in the game?

[lone nimbus]

Beginning of act 3,im going in there only knowing of the bosses

[lone nimbus]

I heard someone say in a comment that pharloom had 4 leaders or something

[sinful nimbus]

It did

[lone nimbus]

Khann, Karm, Nyleth, and the funny green guy right?

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[lethal burrow]

the answer is were half a dozen give or take

verdina, the coral Kingdom place, the skarr, the bilewater folk. and idk if shellwood was exactly a own kingdom, but it was also a place that existed under its own rule for a time.

It's never suggested that these people all worked together in a council though, I don't know why that was told

[lone nimbus]

Why do we gotta kill em though ? Do we just harvest their heart?

[lethal burrow]

We need the power for the ritual

[lone nimbus]

Greymoor too right?

[lone nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-i-need-more-power-dmc-devil-may-cry-gif-13108410

[lethal burrow]

oh yeah.

The entirety of it used to look like wisp thicket.

I don't know exactly who ruled there tho

[barren beacon]

Was Groal a leader

[lethal burrow]

I don't know if he was a leader at the time, but he's the leader now

[lone nimbus]

Crawfather? He is a judge so he technically leads it abit

[barren beacon]

How do yall know this bro, I'm actually bamboozled

[proud swan]

I believe Groal used to be a little bug

[lone nimbus]

they read, scary

@proud swan HE'S A FROG

[barren beacon]

Where, I want to read it too

[edgy barn]

I don't think he was, otherwise his heart would work for the ritual.

[lone nimbus]

seesaw

[proud swan]

you do have a point but everyone is a bug in hk

[barren beacon]

No saw on SS

[proud swan]

he is using a mask on his nose, I have no idea why

[proud swan]

makes me think the silk experiments deformed him somehow

[lone nimbus]

Maybe some artifacts?

@proud swan who has the nose thing?

[lethal burrow]

greymoor buildings are made of the exact type of bamboo found in wisp thicket

[proud swan]

grow has a small mask, which is weird cause no bugs on bilewater have them

[barren beacon]

Ain't no way yall looking this deep 😭
I actually admire yall

[barren beacon]

Prob stole it from the Snail shaman they killed

[lone nimbus]

He got a few screws loose but he got the spirit

It's probably a trophy

[proud swan]

Maybe but we do not know a single snail shaman with a mask

[proud swan]

Also its got three spikes like a crown somehow

[lethal burrow]

Sinners Road is also related to greymoor. though I forget if it used to be part of it or if people from greymoor simply got exiled over there for whatever reason or maybe they had to move

[lone nimbus]

it's a crown

[silk dirge]

i feel like hes just wearing it as a trophy yeah

[lone nimbus]

It's probably for all of pharloom. You can go through the blasted steps and get judged by holiness or sneak in through a path of sin

I will go now everybody

[proud swan]

Ok if snail shaman turns out to somehow be transmutated or whatever in groal the groats body you read it here first 😭

[silk dirge]

the farmers who used to work in greymoor were put into service collecting silk that fell from the citadel but a lot escaped to sinners road and farm the roaches for food

[barren beacon]

What even is Holiness in SS terms

Is it just being willing to submit to GMS no strings attached?

[silk dirge]

i feel like the wisp thicket cult might also be former greymoor farmers

[lone nimbus]

Grandmaster #10 in chess, Silk

[barren beacon]

What

[silk dirge]

wisp cult i think is currently one of the biggest silksong mysteries

[proud swan]

why?

[lethal burrow]

I feel like they're just as they are. I don't think there's anything big about them.

But what do you see that I do not

[silk dirge]

nah they definitely feel like theres something going on

maybe not something big to the main story

but they are definitely strange

[proud swan]

We can agree theyre a cult that messes with fire to defend themselves from silk, right?

[silk dirge]

possibly

[lethal burrow]

ye

[barren beacon]

So do we doom them after killing Father of the Flame

[pastel timber]

this is the view ive had too, theyre pagan fire worshippers who use the flame to repel the silk of the citadel, their forests are what remains of greymoors fertile grounds, it just seems like a fun lil side area with a nice bit of lore like the hive

[proud swan]

its the most unsettling area of the whole game for me, dont know why

[proud swan]

they just burn themselves

[lethal burrow]

it seemed like the self burning thing was sort of desired?

[barren beacon]

Huh

[lethal burrow]

cults be freaky

[pastel timber]

father of the flame is a pyre, like burning man, its meant to be burned down, the big container in the centre was a cremation pod for one of their dead

father of the flame was a death ritual

[lethal burrow]

I don't know why they all kill themselves after he's gone though

[pastel timber]

wait what they do?? 😭

[barren beacon]

cults be freaky

[lethal burrow]

true

[silk dirge]

maybe its kinda like an end times thing for them

[proud swan]

Nah don't think hes a pyre

[silk dirge]

by killing fotf you finish a ritual and they can all ascend to heaven or smth?

[proud swan]

He does look like it but hes just there

[silk dirge]

idk

[lethal burrow]

immolation's ability to be a part of the game is a key component of the game itself and is a key part of the game's overall strategy of the game as well as the game itself as well as its gameplay and gameplay as well as gameplay and gameplay in general and the game itself are all very important to the game itself so it is a key factor in the game itself which is why it is a great game :)

[proud swan]

Come on the red lining was a bit too much

[pastel timber]

the corpse inside mightve been the cult leader and after their death they all decided to burn themselves to "follow" him

[barren beacon]

Did you have a stroke

[pastel timber]

sorry i didnt mean anything by it i just do it by default 😭

[silk dirge]

yeah probably smth like that

[proud swan]

nah im just kidding dont worry about it!

[lethal burrow]

The ability of immolation to be a part of the game is an important part of the game itself and is an important part of the overall strategy of the game of the game, as well as the game itself, as well as the gameplay and gameplay and the gameplay in general, so it is a key factor in the game itself, that's why it's a great game.

[pastel timber]

i wholeheartedly agree

[barren beacon]

Sounds like me when I have to present something at school

[proud swan]

ok so theres a bug inside the pyre's heart? they made some sort of ritual and he become a god somehow?

[pastel timber]

i dont think he became a god through it, cause nothing happened it just exploded, probably just their religion was wrong 😭

[proud swan]

but why theres fire following us 😭 thats so weird

[barren beacon]

Is father of the flame a higher being

[silk dirge]

i think the wisp cult burns silk and then they self immolate leaving nothing for the citadel

[pastel timber]

ohhhhhhhh wait i see i see the burning bugs turn into 3 wisps post-fotf i was wondering why they did that

[silk dirge]

this is a theory i just read and i think its probably whats going on

[proud swan]

Are wisps living beings?

What the hell is wispfire

[craggy smelt]

I think it's implied they're burning silk

[pastel timber]

i swear it said that ingame but i cant find it

[craggy smelt]

controlled somewhat by the Burning Bugs

[pastel timber]

technically, just incredibly shortlived (as per hornets journal notes)

[craggy smelt]

the bugs wanted to immolate themselves for whatever reason, likely to prevent the Haunting from reanimating them
wisps are like the side effect of that

[pastel timber]

based on fotf needolin dialogue they probably think setting themselves on fire is how they ascend to meet their god

[proud swan]

Wait wisps are literally silk flies burning

[proud swan]

cause theyre burning SILK of course

[pastel timber]

i doubt it

the comparison is interesting though

[proud swan]

I would assume fusing soul with fire could result in something, after all silk is soul

It also consumes silk when we use it

[pastel timber]

thats true actually

[lethal burrow]

they're called gleamflies

[pastel timber]

why is slowmode 15 seconds it was 5 yesterday </3

[craggy smelt]

we're getting too riled up
we gotta calm down

[lethal burrow]

Because the moderators are corrupt and toxic and evil

[pastel timber]

3's a crowd and theyre getting way too rowdy

[proud swan]

we are roasting TC too much

[pastel timber]

there was probably some nasty argument or people spamming overnight or something

[proud swan]

I mean there was an argument earlier today that could be it

[pastel timber]

really?

[proud swan]

What time is it? Here its 9pm

[lethal burrow]

soon they're gonna impose that German law where people couldn't gather in amounts

[pastel timber]

1am 😭

[left oyster]

soon they're gonna ban FLEA BREW

[lethal burrow]

ye.

[pastel timber]

i think i spent like 12 hours straight in this channel the other day i may have a problem

[proud swan]

stop drugs ❌

[pastel timber]

pharlooms war on drugs

[proud swan]

nah ive been spending too much time also. WE have a problem

[pastel timber]

silksong lore is just too peak...

[left oyster]

nah that's 100% normal to spend a lot of time thinking about peak
for me it's #deltarune-theories though

[pastel timber]

problem was my 12 hours was 3am-3pm

[left oyster]

oh

[proud swan]

Hey is it because of the bellhouse item?

[pastel timber]

im something of a night owl perhaps

[pastel timber]

bellhouse item?

[lethal burrow]

yes

[left oyster]

that's pretty bad actually

at least you're not like me seeing FRIEND faces on spectrograms of noise in .666 seconds of static of the 66th track of the ch3+4 album

[pastel timber]

ohhhhh awesome

[pastel timber]

silkrot is a REAL affliction that i am suffering from

[left oyster]

i'm suffering from deltarot and silkrot at the same time
the two rots are fighting for control over my brain, it's like terraria evils trying to overlap

[proud swan]

Its a little different from the usual flies, isnt? Because of their size

[pastel timber]

theyre the souls of babies

[left oyster]

anyways Pale King was just a short dude living difficult times

[proud swan]

ah nice. dead child labor

[pastel timber]

big up short king god bless the eternal kingdom of hallownest

[left oyster]

glory to the White Wyrm administration! this post was verified by TRUE Hallownest patriots!

[wintry prairie]

True

[pastel timber]

mind you

[proud swan]

all hail the great mother of SILK

[pastel timber]

pale king called hallownest "the last civilisation"
and also apparently bugs had to be in his presence to have mind?
but the mantis' and weavers and ancient civ had mind anyway
so did all the old tribes of pharloom
and the pilgrims who travel from outside of pharloom

[wintry prairie]

Did the pale king forcibly make bugs immortal to make them slave away in mines? Don’t think so, glory to hallownest

[left oyster]

all these SILKWINGERS are getting on my nerves everyone knows the Wyrmwing is the correct political alignment

[proud swan]

Yeah the whole PK giving conscience to bugs is weird since there are so many bugs that did not have conscience before pale beings

Also in silksong basically all of them I guess

[pastel timber]

pale king just went mad uplifting everything he saw whereas gms had some restraint

[proud swan]

Sometimes I think we have difficulty separating what is actual lore and bugs think is lore. They are definitely limited in the game and we guide ourselves through memories, written stuff, artefacts

[pastel timber]

silkwingers get caught up in slab fly racism and nonsensical pilgrimage "sins" that they dont realise the citadel is squeezing them dry of all their rosaries, the wyrmwing civilisation of hallownest is much more friendly to everyone, basic needs are met!

[proud swan]

Maybe PK giving conscience to bugs was just pk propaganda

[pastel timber]

yeah like we know that most of what we "know" about the void is wrong, because what we see written is different to what we see happen

[proud swan]

It's kinda nice to be fair that we never get to see an "impartial" view of the bug world

We just there trying to find shi just like they are. We are little bugs in our pilgrimage through life

[charred nimbus]

Pale king is just a bad dad, he's a cool guy otherwise

[pastel timber]

i honestly really love that about TC's worldbuilding
there are strange things we will never understand, secrets we will never decipher, the world is much grander more complex and cryptic than we will ever grasp and we're caught in the current with all the inhabitants

[barren beacon]

I hate not understand everything :c

[proud swan]

I think besides building mistery, Mr Mushrooms role is exactly that. To be a testament of how temporary every reign is

[proud swan]

I do as well, but I hate more understanding everything. Could you imagine not having anything to figure out

[barren beacon]

no, can't, not feasible for me

[pastel timber]

i play a lot of hk randomisers, the most fun part is at the start when you have nothing and need to construct your own new interesting ways around the world, it gets boring once you get everything
i feel the same about the lore, if we got all the answers we'd have nothing to talk about! the mystery is the part that sparks discussion and community, and team cherry are intent on fostering that

theres definitely things i wish we knew, or had more info about, but the world feels so vibrant when you have so many open-ended questions, especially when you look back at all the questions already answered

[regal crow]

I think I found the bridge we fell from at the beginning of the game. It’s in ||blasted steps|| immediately to the right of the bench

There’s even a hole that leads straight to bone bottom from there

[proud swan]

Makes sense, we would be taking the elevator to the citadel

[regal crow]

Yep

[pastel timber]

the entrance to pharloom from the wastelands is also directly to the left of that

like its 100% the bridge from the opening cutscene no question

[proud swan]

Arent you guys bothered by this section of the map

like why does it seem to lead somewhere but it doesnt

[craggy smelt]

nah, Citadel proper's in a giant open cavern, it's just open 'sky' until you hit the roof

[pastel timber]

its cause the citadel is placed inside a huge hollow section of the cavern, theres nothing up there for miles

[barren beacon]

Well there's not really anything there. so no

[summer pendant]

Idk. I'm not bothered by the concept of empty space.

[craggy smelt]

actually, did someone test silk soar on every last little section? maybe there's something hidden up there~!

[pastel timber]

it is interesting that every other faded part of the map has something hidden just above it, like the memorium open area leading to bilewater, or the flea above vaults, so i was looking for something there

[barren beacon]

Bilewater

[proud swan]

Why they dont just close the map 😭

[summer pendant]

like, if you try to navigate to an area of the map where there's nothing it just kicks you out of the map menu? yeah they should do that

[proud swan]

Mt fay too, its weird. The map is provoking me. I know it is

[summer pendant]

honestly they shouldve left the top open at the roof of the slab since that's also an open ceiling (with invisible walls on the sides grr)

[midnight zinc]

You mean how it looks hollow in the middle?

[pastel timber]

its all just completely empty space

[midnight zinc]

The map I mean

[summer pendant]

oh i misremembered the top of the slab ig

[proud swan]

Ok team cherry nice try I just know this is coral gorge you cant fool me

[pastel timber]

team cherry are hiding coral gorge from you just out of range of silk soar

[summer pendant]

actually, what you don't realise

[proud swan]

COULD YOU IMAGINE

[regal crow]

Every waking moment, but I’m more bothered by ||upper bilewater||

[summer pendant]

if hornet ever flipped the camera around, all you would see is coral gorge, it's just conveniently right out of view the entire game

[pastel timber]

TRUE

[proud swan]

Also the memorium open space, weird ahh stuff

[proud swan]

wdym upper bilewater?

[pastel timber]

i mean its not weird, its just an open cavern, thats all just empty space that you cant reach because theres no way to climb thin air, so it doesnt show up on the map

[regal crow]

Everything that requires ||double jump|| to get to

[pastel timber]

hallownest did the same thing with its "surface" areas

[summer pendant]

i'm more bothered by the karmelita backrooms but i guess we know for a fact there's nothing back there for now

[proud swan]

that what they want you to think

I know for a fact sharpe is there

[proud swan]

just wringling his nose all over that weird mossy cave

thinking we cant reach him

[pastel timber]

do you think sharpe can use his big long nose to pick locks
this is serious lore discussion

[craggy smelt]

give me barnacle bay
everything else can wait
I don't even care what there is to do there

[proud swan]

he cant. there is no evidence that weapons this dangerous can open doors in silksong

[craggy smelt]

the backrooom of pharlooom

the fated z-axis

[summer pendant]

to be fair, karmelita's locked back room is on the z axis

[proud swan]

wait youre right

[pastel timber]

if karmelita just stayed in the background she wouldve been safe

[azure dirge]

Team cherry revealing another area that requires you to pass through bilewater to get to.

[proud swan]

I kinda wish we saw proper giant karmelita

[midnight zinc]

Honestly it would be kinda cool if you could toggle the map to actually see things on the z axis, I don’t see why that couldn’t be a feature other than they don’t feel like putting in the time to do it

[summer pendant]

uh...

[azure dirge]

I think it would add needless complication to the map.

[proud swan]

You actually can but you have to donate $150 dollars to TC

[pastel timber]

what would that even mean, we're already looking down the z axis

[azure dirge]

Like realistically we are drawing the map as Hornet. I guess a Hornet could just have a second map layered under it…

[summer pendant]

yeah you're right, them not adding a feature to the game is probably because they didn't want to. Same reason there's no first person view where you get to shoot the silk gun

[midnight zinc]

That’s kinda what I mean, it would be cool but I don’t think z axis rooms are large enough to justify the work it would take for them to add that. But it would be neat.

[summer pendant]

and there's no like, dialogue trees with a friendship system

[azure dirge]

I’d rather they spend their time on something actually meaningful ngl

[midnight zinc]

I mean shit between the games and all the merch I’ve bought I’ve probably given them more

[summer pendant]

not a donation if it's a purchase idiot

[proud swan]

I dare not to imprint on my imagination such blasphemous view

[lethal burrow]

I'm most bothered by this very weird inexplicable platform that appears to exist for no reason

[midnight zinc]

Yeah I wanna see the W axis instead

[azure dirge]

I wanna see them needolyn fights yo

I want Silk Sisters Phantom and Lace in the organ

[midnight zinc]

Dude there’s a breakable wall behind and above you

[pastel timber]

i thought that was gonna be a place sula's ritual could appear but no apparently its just There
maybe its where we access something for a future dlc who knows

[azure dirge]

When are we getting the needolyn phantom and lace duo fight. I know it exists.

[proud swan]

Dude I said it earlier what it was. This is where you pull the plug so all ice from Mt fay melts and becomes water in Sands of Karak, turning it into Coral Gorge

Please pay attention this is serious

[lethal burrow]

I know for certain there's not

[midnight zinc]

This is just that one fight against the bell brothers in Act 3 but insane

[proud swan]

proof

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

I blame Shakra

[azure dirge]

You didn’t find the secret wall

[proud swan]

tbf they would probably put something there and just forgot it

[azure dirge]

All those needolyn spots definitely will get a needolyn fight…

[proud swan]

is grey prince zoat behind it? 😭😭

[azure dirge]

No it’s where the scientist guy found the lifeblood source and leads to the planned lifeblood dlc where you fight against the newborn lifeblood god.

[azure dirge]

Grey prince zoat is just past bilewater

[azure dirge]

Ironically despite being so much bigger than HK, Hornet being both bigger and faster makes it feel a lot smaller.

[proud swan]

zote wouldnt do that to Bretta

[sinful nimbus]

DLC fills out all faded parts of the map 🙏

[azure dirge]

Bretta left remember

[pastel timber]

she went to pharloom where she continued to dream of zote

[azure dirge]

The map feels smaller and smaller as you get more upgrades. Silkspeed anklets, harpoon, double jump, dash. Hornet is so speedy.

[proud swan]

fixed it

[stray scaffold]

this is interesting but idk what to make of it (regarding plasmium)

[proud swan]

faycoral junction is real. you have to believe

[azure dirge]

Actually she met Sherma and now we have to fight Bard Prince Sherma to save Sherma from Bretta who has kidnapped him.

[azure dirge]

Lifeblood is very similar to radiances infection, except instead of manifesting in dreams it manifests in the flesh after being consumed.

[pastel timber]

subtle reference to the theories of lifeblood being the cause of a higher being similar to how the radiances infection was caused by radiance

[sinful nimbus]

Also the haunting

[proud swan]

It's interesting. Why would infections be suspicious for her? What pattern did she saw

[sinful nimbus]

To a lesser extent

[azure dirge]

Lifeblood seems to spread through being consumed. Which is why it was a taboo in Hallownest.

[stray scaffold]

I remember there was some theorizing about the connection between lifeblood and infection before ss

but there wasn't really enough evidence to conclude much

[azure dirge]

It’s nearly unkillable too. It wants to live endlessly, and will live inside its new host and try to keep the host alive.

[pastel timber]

infections would be suspicious for her because an infection killed her entire homeland

[proud swan]

I mean yes. But I wouldnt find a guy threatening me with a knife suspicious

[azure dirge]

I think ironically lifeblood is less dangerous because it’s physical. In Hallownest there were enough greater beings to essentially keep it at bay and prevent the bugs from partaking in it too much.

[proud swan]

Yeah part of why the Radiance was so lethal was the way she could spread

[azure dirge]

And it ends up killing its spreaders it seems, so you can cordoned off where it has bloomed.

[pastel timber]

i think if you lived in an ancient bug kingdom and a god killed your entire homeland with a glowing orange knife, and there were no other knives in the whole entire world, and then you found a glowing blue knife, youd go "hm this looks similar to the thing that killed my entire homeland and ive seen nothing else like either of those things, interesting"

[azure dirge]

Yeah. I bet once enough lifeblood infects an area it tries to birth the lifeblood god we see in Godholm.

I think lifeblood is going the route of a yet to be born god.

[proud swan]

She does speak about other knifes though

[pastel timber]

i always figured that was just a lifeblood infected abyss creature

[pastel timber]

im using your analogy to explain it

[azure dirge]

Well we couldn’t fight it, it was just looming, it makes me think it is something that has yet to be, or a prophecy from the godholm mind. Focusing the true nature of lifeblood to see what it is creating.

Though it could also be the original source of lifeblood

[pastel timber]

we cant fight unn or the white lady either to be fair, could be anything, but lifeblood appearing in godhome with the lifeblood beast raises multiple questions

[proud swan]

So the echo is reminding of the radiance (and possibly other infections she saw in her lifespan) and she suspects it could spread more, got it

[azure dirge]

Lifeblood seems to want to live no matter what, so if it’s that creature it came from it’s very likely it’s trying to come back into being whatever it is.

[pastel timber]

mhm!

[azure dirge]

True. Like how did it get found there in the first place.

[pastel timber]

all creatures come with the will to live, lifeblood is no different, its just whether its divine in nature or something else entirely

[azure dirge]

It also does seem to entrance some bugs and those who taste it begin to get a taste for it.

[dark rune]

guys i think hornet not being baby hornet anymore is the same kind of transformation the hollow knight went through

[azure dirge]

Well considering how unkillable lifeblood is it’s certainly not normal. It was even sealed away near the abyss in Hallownest and remained fine. Even the higher beings of HK were wary of it and it was listed as a taboo.

[stray scaffold]

it felt odd to me how much more virulent plasmium is than hk's lifeblood, but it might just be that it wasn't meddled with as much in hallownest

[proud swan]

No idea why thk became so gigantic though

[dark rune]

maybe cause he's full higher being

[azure dirge]

Hallownest also had several higher beings to suppress it and radiance.

[edgy nebula]

it was actively cracked down on in hk, in ss zylotol lets it grow

[azure dirge]

It was also locked away with its dead Saint near the abyss for the most part.

[dark rune]

it mightve been meddled with at some point, but it's evident it became a taboo

[pastel timber]

it feels almost adjacent to anything we've seen
soul and void are their own forms of life (living bugs, shades), and lifeblood is something entirely different to either of those

[edgy barn]

White Lady genes

[stray scaffold]

ye exactly

[azure dirge]

And it warps those forms of life, and is potent enough to even begin to warp wyrms if allowed. They have resistance like Hornet states but their resistance only goes so far.

[azure dirge]

Probably radiances influence actually. He did have radiance inside of him, and it causes mutations like that.

[ebon oak]

is this what monomon used to make umu?

[stray scaffold]

I don't know if monomon would have known that much about pharloom

[pastel timber]

it does make me wonder if lifeblood is a third kind of base element of the world, and if it comes with its own set of gods that relate to it, but as far as we're aware right now its just a dangerous infectious mutating substance that PK didnt want to ravage his kingdom

[edgy barn]

The uninfected Pure Vessel and the statues look the same

[stray scaffold]

essence also is sort of like a basic element

[ebon oak]

I was thinking that too but in the spirts glade there are warriors that resemble the ones in coral tower

[dark rune]

i think the uumas and yumama are unrelated, though interesting how u, m, and a are in both names

[azure dirge]

Radiance was technically around back then weren’t they?

[pastel timber]

ive been wondering if essence is more like silk, a gaseous form of soul, given that all the warrior dreams and the dream nail give soul when hit/used, and also given that the void (which we're explicity told seeks out and consumes soul) is ravenous when swallowing radiance whole

[ebon oak]

there both also jelly fish and have smaller versions but ones explosive

[azure dirge]

It was also made after the dreamers were a thing. So HK could have been infected by then.

[stray scaffold]

void is specifically anti-soul?

[edgy barn]

Why does that matter? She has no way of influencing a uninfected beig

[azure dirge]

Void seems connected to regrets,

[dark rune]

yeah, they are suspiciously close naming and form but look pretty different

[proud swan]

Pure vessel is such a top tier boss

[pastel timber]

hornet says in act 3 it actively seeks out to consume soul

[dark rune]

i think it's more like it wants to take advantage of the soul

[azure dirge]

He could have been infected at the time. Those statues were made in honor of the memory and sacrifice. So they could have been infected.

[pastel timber]

hold on im gonna go find the dialogue

[ebon oak]

true the snail shamans are here aswell so I wonder what could have gone betweent the two kingdoms

[azure dirge]

It is attracted to and consumes soul. Void consumes a lot of things.

[stray scaffold]

ah, I just didn't remember it being mentioned in hk

[proud swan]

I think we may somehow tie all HK mambojambo magic to soul or void

[dark rune]

it's possible pk didnt know about pharloom (at least at first), but pharloom definitely knew of hallownest

[stray scaffold]

yeah void is anti-everything that isn't void pretty much

[azure dirge]

Godtuner doesn’t really prove much.

[dark rune]

it uses the silk gms sends up to try and consume as much as it can

[dark rune]

wait a second WHY IS HE REVERSE-GRIPPING HIS NAIL

[azure dirge]

It’s attracted to the soul in the silk actually, so it runs up along the silk, because GMS was strung throughout all of pharloom. GMS didn’t send that stuff up she just held onto what she was connected to already.

[dark rune]

i need to tell sellsword arts about this

[ebon oak]

indeed I also wonder why two coral warriors were in the spirit glade as the moths are peaceful whilst the coral tower bugs are not

[azure dirge]

GMS was connected to everything below the cradle remember?

[proud swan]

ahsoka looking mf

[stray scaffold]

thk also does this 😔

[dark rune]

he did have a will, to use bad weaponry tactics >:(

[lethal burrow]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[azure dirge]

Hornet said it is attracted to soul. It does seem to consume it, but it is notably attracted by it. Which is interesting.

[lethal burrow]

I have discovered something very odd

[dark rune]

?

[edgy barn]

You are ragebaiting me aren't you

[proud swan]

imagine looking at your son holding the blade the wrong way, and youre like "they must be completely hollow. without anything on their head"

[heady sandal]

I'm going to make people angry :3

Hornet is void

[pastel timber]

between this, PK (heavily soul-related god) calling it "the power opposed", and radiance calling it "ancient enemy", i think its safe to say void is anti-soul

[proud swan]

PK was just a bully

[dark rune]

for real, how did he not see this

[pastel timber]

i fear youre about 8 years late for that discourse

[lethal burrow]

these pillars and carvings appear across the breath of the kingdom.
From the duct to the steps....

What do you make of this?

[azure dirge]

No. Godtuner shows the ideal of the current entity. Pure Vessel is the ideal of THK and his will. Not the vessel before corruption, rather it has separated THK from that corruption and shown him in full form.

[dark rune]

we can still tie this into the lore. he never wanted to do hollow knight stuff so he does stuff a little less effectively.

[heady sandal]

I know I just wanted to see if people still got angry about it

[edgy barn]

The hunter's journal describes THK as a fully grown vessel, and describes PV as a chosen vessel trained to prime form

[pastel timber]

looks almost like a bug holding out an offering dish? maybe related to the great path of the pilgrimage given its temple-esque atmosphere and the prevalence in blasted steps (the last stage of the climb)

[azure dirge]

Uh huh. So then what was stopping other vessels from growing?

[edgy barn]

They didn't get trained

[lethal burrow]

but no.

it has to be outside the citadel or before it, else there would be no reason the duct would have such grand architecture

[dark rune]

no training

[pastel timber]

broken vessel did grow though, it just died before it got any further

[azure dirge]

True.

[dark rune]

hornet was, and so she wasnt baby form anymore

[proud swan]

doesn't look like anything to me. At first I thought you were asking about the bugs

[pastel timber]

ohh right its in ducts too, that is strange, best guess there is the pale lake was also somehow significant to the citadel in times gone by

[lethal burrow]

what do you mean it doesn't look like anything? It's clearly the same architecture across all the locations.

[edgy nebula]

i feel bad for the leaping pilgrim that was taking a shower and dropped dead on the spot

[pastel timber]

maybe "putrified ducts" literally just means stone aqueducts, thats their water supply

[azure dirge]

Kinda weird though isn’t it? Hunter’s journal is also suspect to some degree.

[edgy nebula]

only naked corpse that isnt the ones we collect the garbs from

[dark rune]

what?

[pastel timber]

some hunters journal entries are written from omniscient perspective for some reason

[azure dirge]

There is a weaver needolyn sign there that mentions it was important to them.

[pastel timber]

cleansing waters from that harp, a holy site maybe?

[ebon silo]

I mean she is half wyrm for all we know she could have foresight and foresee their names

[azure dirge]

It was likely the original homeland of the weavers is my guess. Where they lived first.

[pastel timber]

oh i thought we were still on hk's journal about PV

[proud swan]

putrified ducts one seem... different. All others have these spiked like angles on them

[azure dirge]

We were

[pastel timber]

i mean hk's journal then

[azure dirge]

Hornet’s are all written from her perspective and viewpoint unlike Knight’s journal.

Knight’s journal is mostly Hunter since Knight is yk. A vessel.

[lethal burrow]

The spike angles are only on pillars that go into the ceiling. I'll grab another screenshot.

[ebon silo]

How would hornet know some people's name though 🛌🦌🎣

[edgy barn]

You see how each enemy has two paragraphs of text? The upper one is written by an omniscient narrator, the lower one is written by an in-universe character (Hunter in HK and Hornet in Silksong)

[pastel timber]

shes just making it up as she goes along imagine

[dark rune]

she doesnt. the knight isn't named "little ghost"

[ebon silo]

I'm referring about the skong one

[dark rune]

comes up with it on the spot

[azure dirge]

Depends ig. Most names are prolly coined by her, others she overhears from others. Like craws are mentioned by the bartender dude. The forge brothers she may have learned the names of by overhearing them speaking before the boss fight.

[proud swan]

she just calls them how she sees them. if you looking a little funny she is gonna name you a little funny

[pastel timber]

ohh yeah the info about PV is in the top half, the bottom half is just some quote

[ebon silo]

I guess before fighting phantom she just so happened to find a recorder that has phantom of the opera so she just name phantom phantom

[obsidian quail]

Void cleanse us!

[azure dirge]

Does she mention the names of them in the unlocked descriptions? Because there is the more objective description versus the Hornet description which is unlocked by killing or beating something enough.