sk-lore

[terse warren]

tbh again they have to visit karak anyways so it's not THAT out of the way and it's an insane damage increase

[sinful nimbus]

Spell propaganda

[cedar skiff]

wait whats the current true ending wr

[edgy barn]

What does shaman crest do exactly? I didn't really understood it.

[cedar skiff]

im guessing like sub 4

[dapper willow]

I can never sleep again knowing people hate silksong now
Its over

[cedar skiff]

new speedrunner achivement meta

[spark valve]

Buffs spell damage

[potent patio]

Maybe Hornet just was hallucinating the shade lord as ghosts shade + the siblings and only for a second did she discover their true nature

[terse warren]

Blue's recent 4:35 seems to be wr

[cedar skiff]

team cherry cut shade lord from the true ending and my life is yours

[dapper willow]

I said this before
Eh...

[terse warren]

there's a bit of grinding involved in te iirc

[cedar skiff]

those damn quests

[silk dirge]

i never realized that volt filament is basically just shaman stone with aura

until someone pointed it out

[dapper willow]

Hah

The game is so much more detailed than hk
Like the water+lightning interactions and the tool visuals
Its just polish

[silk dirge]

yeah

[dapper willow]

You could eat off of it its so clean

I guess the game is good again and everyone likes it and I can be asleep

[silk dirge]

all the secret interactions are super cool

[cedar skiff]

now imagine hwo awesome as fuck itll be when it gets dlcs

[silk dirge]

they even thought of dialog if you rescue all fleas but never moved the caravan

[terse warren]

alr time for retcon discussion then

[dapper willow]

AAAAAAAAAAA

[cedar skiff]

wait really what is it

[dapper willow]

Dies

[cedar skiff]

i was gonna try that on my current playthrough

[dapper willow]

I was always a hater, how did I end up being a defender?????

[silk dirge]

retcon discussion how about how to fill out a job application discussion

there can be no more retcon discussion if everyone gets a job

[cedar skiff]

there can be no more ss lore if everyone gets a job

[dapper willow]

I wish
They rejected my mcdonalds application a year ago

[silk dirge]

(i say this walking to my job which leaves me plenty of time to discuss retcons)

university will shut that down quick

i got my goat physics professor back

[dapper willow]

😭

[silk dirge]

i can live again

[dapper willow]

I have to finish that 10 page essay in 2 weeks from now

[coral wren]

Whats the lore behind Groal vore

[silk dirge]

im so ready to talk about how electricity and magnetism concepts somehow apply to fourth chorus

[dapper willow]

You should have studied to be a mechanic to discuss cogwork lore morr thorougly

[cedar skiff]

classes until 5 pm every day wont stop me from arguing about cut content

[stuck dawn]

what exactly are these?

[coral wren]

Homosexuality in machines

[dapper willow]

Uh...

Silk

[quartz salmon]

generators

[silk dirge]

surely robotics engineering concepts will apply somehow

[dapper willow]

Now its time for me to complain
I didn't like the weavernests
I felt like their appearance did not fit into hollow lore
This ruins my immersion and silksong as a whole /j

[silk dirge]

im gonna make one of those cogwork core teapot dudes for that 10 credit mechatronics class i need to take in like a year

[stuck dawn]

they're neat but they dont seem to have a point, or i've missed it entirely 😄

[dapper willow]

Probably
Unlike computer science or business 😭

[spark valve]

Weavenests being weird was cool but missed opportunity to make an actual weavenest area

[quartz salmon]

they insist upon themselves

[spark valve]

They were where weavers hid from gms prior to her being put to sleep

[dapper willow]

What about atla?

[silk dirge]

i saw some crazy lore theory on r/silksong about how atla is actually first sinner

i dont remember much about it but it might have something to it

[dapper willow]

Reddit always has the best theories
We stick to the written lore too much to produce enough imaginary lore

[spark valve]

Not really a full area the part of it that even has enemies is more moss grotto

[dapper willow]

Best as in outlandish but fun

[silk dirge]

i mean its not like here has better theories

[dapper willow]

Someone didn't like the moss mother refight

[midnight warren]

hi, i got questions regarind act 3 ending, do i need to spoilertag here?

[cedar skiff]

wait the weavers associated with the nests have like, specific thigns assigned to them right?

[spark valve]

It was fine but kind of emblematic of what I’m saying

[dapper willow]

All spoilers allowed

[cedar skiff]

atla is the one associated with time

[silk dirge]

yesterday we had someone come in saying herrah wasnt actually hornets mom and they admitted it was a stupid theory contradicted by everything

[cedar skiff]

right.. right.. im not making shit up..

[silk dirge]

and then some other dude was trying to argue silksong wasnt actually a sequel

[spark valve]

This doesn’t hold for all of the nests but for atla yes

For instance there’s no cindril weaver effigy because the cindril weavers decided to flee before the citadel was made

[cedar skiff]

im not insane!!!!!!

[silk dirge]

im curious about the whole like "weaver of time" thing

[midnight warren]

Okay, so, we see the Knight in the Void at the end and he shortly flashes and shows the Void given Focus, is that confirming that Godhome is canon to Silksong? But wouldn't that take away from the connection between Hornet and the Knight?

[silk dirge]

like did specific weavers have specific powers

[dapper willow]

What if herrah is just made up
It was all pale king's plan all along! Herrah is just a servant if the pale king and hornet's true mother is vespa!

It was essential for the preservation of hallownest

[silk dirge]

like could atla weave like time machines or some shit

[cedar skiff]

theres a weaver of healing too

[rain gate]

Probably each of them tackled a specific thing but they didn't have "power" over it

[cedar skiff]

i wonder if that was assigned by the bugs worshipping them or titles they gave themselves

[rain gate]

And one of travel iirc

[spark valve]

Atla weavenest was making traps, and gms was trapped. Atla may be the origin of the citadel’s method of containing gms

[dapper willow]

Actually thats cool
It implies there were more weaver groups
They were not unified

[cedar skiff]

also atla was likely the first right?

[spark valve]

Not necessarily the first

[cedar skiff]

was mostly compelled to think that cause of eva chilling there

[spark valve]

If anything their method working means they were probably the last to act of all the ones that actually did

[dapper willow]

Maybe every weavernest is like a lab specialized in an area

[cedar skiff]

hmm yeah maybe

to both statements

[spark valve]

Sort of

[cedar skiff]

goddamn we somehow have more questions about weavers than we had before ss

[dapper willow]

We have more questions about everything!!! Than before

[hybrid apex]

the pinstresses trained the sentinels right? or atleast they were made to fight like them?

[spark valve]

Yes

[cedar skiff]

well i have no more questions about void

[edgy barn]

And we still don't know what happened to the weavers that fled, or what happened to the one weaver still alive at deepnest

[spark valve]

(More the latter probably)

[cedar skiff]

personally.

[spark valve]

The ones who fled are the ones in Hallownest and who were in the other kingdoms

The ones in Hallownest went back to pharloom I don’t think they had a good time

[cedar skiff]

the weavers that stayed really put all their hope on a future generation coming back

[dapper willow]

Jumping from one sharks mouth into another

[spark valve]

What else are they gonna do

[cedar skiff]

man i dont know it is just kind of a tragic fate

accepting your demise

[midnight warren]

might be a dumb question, but.. mommy silk is a weaver, yes?

[spark valve]

Tbf as far as they know the citadel never even existed and that’s better than staying in zombie land

[edgy barn]

Those are the ones I was talking about. If they arrived and got killed why is there no mention of it

[spark valve]

No

[dapper willow]

They were also kinda evil
Maybe we should have a more nuanced view of the characters

[pseudo charm]

no she made them

also nice nickname for her

[torn dawn]

Chihiro

— 06:40 PM
wait if the abyss is the bottom and the radiance is the top are wyrms the god of the middle...?

[torn dawn]

how do you feel about this

[cedar skiff]

widows super interesting to me

she was ostracized from the weavers for still fucking with gms

[spark valve]

Widow is weird

[dapper willow]

Weavers can take off their masks and put on another

[spark valve]

There seems to be a cut memory sequence depicting her mutilation they could’ve kept that in to more clearly communicate her deal but oh well

[twin dragon]

chat my doubts about the knight slashing void tendrils in the true ending are bothering me too much

[cedar skiff]

damn really???

[spark valve]

It’s like in the sprites

[terse warren]

Team Cherry the gods of not explaining important shit

[cedar skiff]

damn i admire your investement

nah but my personal interpretation really is that the weavers just got mad at her for still remaining loyal to gms

[dapper willow]

I think its more emotional but let them speak instead of making wild theorsies right?

[dapper willow]

that makes sense

[midnight warren]

Okay then maybe a more fundamental question: What was actually mommy silk's deal? why did she ruin pharloom and why did she try to capture weavers?

[pseudo charm]

whatever reason they left GMS, maybe having ANY weaver on her side would be detrimental :p

[dapper willow]

WE don't know
SHe was just kind of an asshole I guess

[spark valve]

She wants their silk

[twin dragon]

They probably removed her mask as a sign of disowning, and inserted the pins specifically to render her useless

[cedar skiff]

i really do not like this interpretation

[twin dragon]

if it were to be anyone else they prob would've just straight up desintegrated widow

[dapper willow]

yet more evidence that weavers were evil

[spare pendant]

The citadel ruined Pharloom first, but the haunting was in order to wake herself up and find silk to sustain her daughter Lace

[cedar skiff]

why would the silk deity need silk production

[twin dragon]

the goddess of silk wants more silk...?

[spark valve]

It’s not an interpretation it’s stated

[pseudo charm]

this

[edgy barn]

Oh boy here we go again

[sinful nimbus]

Yet another example of Team Cherry ruining their game to get an E rating 😔 🩸 🚫 😭

[cedar skiff]

is it specified that gms was the one who wanted silk? im genuinely curious, because i always took it as the citadel

[twin dragon]

I don't see why she needs to find weavers to sustain lace, esp since her cocoon is overflowing with it

[pseudo charm]

I imagine it being that she only wants a weaver so she can be freed from the sleep lol

[midnight warren]

Wait she created the Weavers then needed her own creation's silk to sustain another one of her creations?

[twin dragon]

Deadass i dont buy that

[spark valve]

She’s the one directing hornet’s capture, lace says she denied gms hornet’s silk

[cedar skiff]

ehh idk thats too flimsy to me

[pseudo charm]

I think GMS can produce silk on her own, but weavers just makes it faster :p (she cant make infinite silk in seconds, as seen during lost lace fight)

[spare pendant]

that's like asking why huntress didn't want to feed her own meat to her kids

[sinful nimbus]

"Bugs like these crossed the caves to bring me to Pharloom. I cut down many before my capture. Then I had thought them minded and cunning. Now I see the singular will that haunts them all."

All captured weavers also end up in the cradle

[spark valve]

Much like how hornet can increase her silk generation by absorbing silk hearts

[twin dragon]

Yeah but lace could grab it herself

[dapper willow]

Maybe thats just specific to hornet and the cut ending where Grandma absorbs hornet?

[twin dragon]

And that's how she probably sustained herself all this time ig

[pseudo charm]

YES!!! (but not excited)

[twin dragon]

The cut ending seems to show gms extending her reach of control

[spark valve]

I’m not sure how this is controversial when it’s explicitly stated she wants them for their silk and there’s precedent for taking others’ ability to produce silk

[cedar skiff]

damn i dunno the idea of gms needing silk just seems too nonsensical to me for me to be able to get behind it even if theres some vague evidence supporting it

another one billion plotholes

[spare pendant]

cut ending isn't canon btw

[midnight warren]

Hmm.. Do we expect Lace to be the next game's protagonist if there is a new game in 10 years?

[twin dragon]

I mean goddess of silk wanting silk is kind of flimsly to me

[sinful nimbus]

GMS needing silk is too nonsensical even if she ordered people to gather silk for her

[dapper willow]

I can't take it anymore
My faith in Silksong is shaking

[terse warren]

gods aren't omnipotent

[spark valve]

You don’t have to like it

[cedar skiff]

even if that is what happened is then im just not a fan of the writing choice

[dapper willow]

I know

[twin dragon]

If one thing she doesn't lack, it is definitely silk

[terse warren]

as it should

don't take a game as gospel, be critical about it

[terse warren]

except she clearly does

[spark valve]

gms wouldn’t even be the first god to get weaker for no apparent reason

[twin dragon]

except she doesn't? lmao?

[sinful nimbus]

Why do you have faith in Silksong when the game is all about how faith won't save you?

[pseudo charm]

She wants to increase her silk generating/storing abilities to haunt faster

She has a limited amount, and maybe even capacity for silk (Notice how her body is covered in silk, but during the lost lace fight she's not as covered in silk?)

[dapper willow]

I don't need to be told that😭
I spent seven years hating on games and shows until silksong came out

[spark valve]

All she needs is a limited rate of production for it to make sense

[midnight warren]

Is Silk just Soul for Weavers? 🤔

[sinful nimbus]

Why did you break your hating streak

[twin dragon]

She's not covered in silk due to the fact that it is basically woven around her in a big ass cocoon

[sinful nimbus]

Soul imbued spider's thread

[spark valve]

Yes

[cedar skiff]

ok sorry but that latter part is just an asspull, shes not covered in silk because shes actively using it to fend of void

[coral wren]

Is green prince a top or a bottom

[pseudo charm]

if she could store infinite then wouldn't she still have enough to cover her body??

:p

[dapper willow]

because I actually liked the game and the story and whatnot

[twin dragon]

she can generate infinite, not store

[sinful nimbus]

How could you 💔
Hating license REVOKED

[pseudo charm]

its an insanely massive cocoon i get it

but if she could store infinite, while in such a slumber then methinks that she's be able to fend the void off better

[twin dragon]

And at that point she was at her absolute limits weakened

[spark valve]

If she could make as much as she wants as fast as she wants then it wouldn’t exactly be a desperate struggle for life

[cedar skiff]

silksong is...... bad media...?

[mighty furnace]

guys in the normal ending where she binds with grand mother does she become the new one or its diffrent

[dapper willow]

I don't want to put silsong next to Sung Jin Wo

[cedar skiff]

counterpoint: its the literal fucking void known for fucking up pale beings

[spark valve]

She basically just takes over

[twin dragon]

Also the void absorbs silk when something void related hits you, so keep that in mind..

[cedar skiff]

truke!

[spare pendant]

obviously top, his lover is six feet under

[mighty furnace]

and without the silk soul quest its impossible to not bind?

[dapper willow]

yeah

[midnight warren]

Can I also talk about Hollow Knight endings here? because I have a question about how they relate to SS Act 3 endings

[spark valve]

Which wouldn’t matter if she could make it at an infinite rate

[sinful nimbus]

GMS's will being bound to Hornet and Hornet's innate desire to control (Because she's half wyrm) results in her likely doing the same thing GMS did

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[cedar skiff]

silksong is one of those medias that should not have a fandom

[twin dragon]

One weaver was "staked to servitude"

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah how could such mid ever have fans

[glossy badger]

Wdym

[pseudo charm]

GMS should do more than scream icl, like make a different sound </3

[twin dragon]

So i assume it is basically getting them to serve gms in some form or way idfk

[dapper willow]

Maybe...
I think she would be better than GSM because its hard not to be

[cedar skiff]

i think the screams in act 3 get me to lock in from flea juggle real quick

[sinful nimbus]

Well GMS's very being is a part of her now

[cedar skiff]

im juggling my fleas and the screen turns black

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[pseudo charm]

The screams in act 3 make sense but why not have other sounds to taunt hornet during the fight </3

[twin dragon]

Fr like shut the fuck up

[mighty furnace]

so if u bind with gm its just more cursed citadel?

[sinful nimbus]

The screams go super hard I loved that detail

[twin dragon]

im tryna beat seth

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[pseudo charm]

I love how its heard from ALL of pharloom and not just from important points, like it doesnt stop if you go up to the cradle

it might stop in the surface though? not sure

[mighty furnace]

grrr now i gotta start new game to get act 3

[sinful nimbus]

You can still get act 3

[spare pendant]

you can't be locked out of it

[dapper willow]

an evil hornet is still better than gsm

[sinful nimbus]

Just enter the save again

[midnight warren]

Okay if the Knight is the void as a Shade and also he flashes and shows the Void given Focus, would that mean the godhome ending with the Void given Focus is canon? but then how did the knight turn into a Shade and move freely within the void? That should only happen if the ending where he killd the Radiance in THK's mind. Are both somehow canon to Silksong?

[sinful nimbus]

It's not really implied she'd rule better

[obsidian quail]

i think they said Weavers also have that instinct didn’t they

[twin dragon]

It is done for ambiguity

[twin dragon]

Yeah it's mostly a weaver instinct

We've seen plenty of evidence to back that

[dapper willow]

Fine I'll accept it

[pseudo charm]

I heard some people say that the godhome ending doesnt have to be canon for the shade lord to appear there

50/50 on it personally

[twin dragon]

With the atrocities that weavers commited

[spare pendant]

every ending is canon, but DNM/ETV endings lead into silksong act 3

[pseudo charm]

sealed siblings is canon trust

[dapper willow]

I agree with this

[midnight warren]

hence why i said "canon to silksong"

[mighty furnace]

what does canon stand for

[pseudo charm]

canon is a brand of cameras, hope that helps

[lethal burrow]

It's not an acronym

[twin dragon]

sealed siblings is the canon ending, whatever happens in skong is hornet's dreams fr

[lethal burrow]

but if it was an acronym, what would it stand for?

[pseudo charm]

Cool
Amazing
Not
Ordinary
Nachos

[mighty furnace]

then why people dont use connected ending

[glossy badger]

You shoot canon balls out of them and they blow up

[midnight warren]

from my understanding the Shade Lord, aka Void given Focus, can only exist after the Ritual of the Pantheons

[sinful nimbus]

I wish

[midnight warren]

so it can't be in the void unless Godhome happened

[twin dragon]

ragebait

[pseudo charm]

void given "focus"

just heal in hk </3

[spare pendant]

every ending is canon to ss too

[sinful nimbus]

I have never ragebaited in my 3 years in this server

[twin dragon]

I'd take godhome ending personally, but it's 50/50

[spare pendant]

i said specifically act 3

[sinful nimbus]

That would've gotten me banned

[violet orchid]

1*

[spare pendant]

the only one that might not be is sealed siblings, but we know the citadel can break seals

[sinful nimbus]

2025 newbie trying to tell me when I joined 💔

[pseudo charm]

tbh sealed siblings could work if the citadel bugs were armed with like seal breaking runes (maybe taking a second trip), then somehow killing the vessel and allat

[terse warren]

are we playing 0 truths 1 lies

[pseudo charm]

its not likely, but that MIGHT be how its canon

[twin dragon]

Yeah but act 3...

[midnight warren]

imo that would open another can of worms because what the heck happened to Hallownest after that ending with the Radiance and the Knight both gone and Void given Focus being apaprently malicious towards the kingdom

[spare pendant]

act 3 doesn't have to happen

[twin dragon]

Cooked

[mighty furnace]

or maybe lance is the new dlc for hornet binding with gm

[spare pendant]

sealed siblings into cursed ending is a completely reasonable chain of events

[pseudo charm]

everbloom my beloved <3

[dapper willow]

how can I trust people if everyone lies?

[twin dragon]

Hallownest is out of the story atp

[midnight warren]

i dont like that, what would be the point of the story then

[bronze swift]

Mayb Void given Focus w white flower?

[twin dragon]

Story's over in hallownest

It continues in pharloom with hornet

[pseudo charm]

no matter what, they'd have to go to hallownest to capture hornet?

[violet orchid]

it was mentioned like TWICE in silksong

[twin dragon]

At the start yeah, and they did only that

[spark valve]

It’s not malicious it’s the knight

[twin dragon]

Guh so they don't explain what happened to zote

Whats the point of hollow knight without zote

[midnight warren]

possible but not really any more conclusive because that ending tells us even less

[coral wren]

But when they were together making babies

[dapper willow]

Really should have mentioned hallownest more
I wanted to see what became of it

[spare pendant]

Hallownest is dead. It's out of the story.

[pseudo charm]

it was dead when we played HK, most of the NPCs are probably dead now

and myla is probably double dead

[coral wren]

Did he birth the children or did his husband

[dapper willow]

there are still a lot of people living there?

[twin dragon]

if the godhome ending IS canon i'd like to see what comes out of the final frame with the hollow knight, but i think the conclusion is made

[glossy badger]

Verse obviously

[coral wren]

Im working on my theory that traitor lord is his son

[cedar skiff]

have we considered that silksong could be a prequel

[pseudo charm]

"a lot"

isnt it like 10-20 max? uninfected I mean

[midnight warren]

THK prob just depressed af and jumped into the void after he saw what happened to the kingdom and his dada

[violet orchid]

same, was it rebuilt after hollow knight? hornet still protects hallownest, and she even says that PROTECTING A DEAD KINGDOM IS STUPID
so… hallownest is alive??

[lethal burrow]

We have and then it's been quite thoroughly deuced to be not possible

[warm tiger]

it’s either god home or radiance ending i hope it’s godhome tho

[pseudo charm]

hm yes. the knight shows up in the abyss instead of in the wilds

prequel.

[dapper willow]

hallownest was a tourist destination for adventurers
Someone would have settled there after the infection no?
And the mantises are still there and fine

[spare pendant]

The region is not hallownest, the kingdom is. The region is inhabited by sovereign territories, ruins, and settlers.

[whole holly]

entire Mantis Tribe

[spare pendant]

Mantises and settlers aren't hallownest

[obsidian quail]

i would like more Wyrm lore and more AC lore, also i would like to see a Butterfly higher being cuz why not

[spare pendant]

Very explicitly not hallownest

[obsidian quail]

a big ass butterfly

[sinful nimbus]

Pale King can be a butterfly if you squint

[lethal burrow]

Marissa is all you're gonna get

[dapper willow]

void given focus arguement
I hate this
Do I have to say the area once called hallownesto or something

[sinful nimbus]

I guess it'd be more apt to call him a dragonfly

[spare pendant]

PK is not a butterfly but is inspired by one

[pseudo charm]

arent they not part of hallownest?? kinda like deepnest? or am I tripping

[spare pendant]

Okay but why would we care about settlers inhabiting hallownest's corpse

[glossy badger]

Hear me out a big butterfly that shoots swords from the air and has no contact damage as a final boss

[cedar skiff]

i want shakra tribe lore

[spare pendant]

Correct

[cedar skiff]

give me my shakra comic

[terse warren]

it'd be more apt to call him a goat but alr whatever animal you say

[midnight warren]

i personally never expected the actual kingdom of hallownest to return to glory or anything, but the area is still there and it does kinda matter to Hornet which ending is canon because that directly affects what happened to the place

[spare pendant]

Mantis tribe is a foreign territory that signed a peace treaty with the pale king

[lethal burrow]

OK, everybody draw a red circle around which parts of this map are hallownest

[dapper willow]

Because there is potential of lore and such
We could know what the settlers and survivors made of all the infrastructure and remnants of culture??

[whole holly]

they still inherit the infrastructure of hallownest, being able no continue kingdom, and make Kingdom not dead, just changed

[spare pendant]

Either way, the kingdom is gone. Part of silksong is her moving on from her past ghosts.

[severe siren]

Barnacle Bay is real
Public beta files has new text pertaining to bay, TC is writing the text for the Bay

[midnight warren]

no to mention the white lady is there and alive

[lethal burrow]

They're writing the text as we speak some say

[severe siren]

@foggy fractal

[midnight warren]

weakened maybe, but alive

[steep talon]

hell yeah

[spare pendant]

We could also explore another area like the city of steel

[terse warren]

WOAH

[whole holly]

weakened? by what?

[lethal burrow]

World's first steel soul exclusive DLC

[terse warren]

Pharloom Bay
Pharloom Bay is real

[dapper willow]

DID I SAY NOT TO EXPLORE?

[edgy barn]

The seals she put on herself

[spare pendant]

If a bunch of people travel to the ruins of Indus Valley and settle there, is Indus Valley Civilization still alive?

[dapper willow]

I'm losing it

[jovial trail]

Do you mean what part of the map was part of the PK’s kingdom?

[severe siren]

I cant wait to meet my beloved Lömm the Poop Snail 🥹

[cedar skiff]

theyre trying to distract you from the fact that theyre coding a third savage beastfly fight

[obsidian quail]

it would be very cool to see a butterfly higher being and a kingdom in the air somehow

[midnight warren]

idk, she can't even tell her royal guard are dead in HK, so her senses seem weakened. chances are she can recover and so can the land around her, UNLESS the Void given Focus just freaking annihilates everything

[lethal burrow]

people were arguing that the mantis tribe wasn't part of hallownest so I figured it would be helpful for everyone to define exactly where they thought hallownest is

[obsidian quail]

some sky bug kingdom

[spark valve]

(If you get there in act 3 he’s already dead)

[obsidian quail]

hanging out

[jovial trail]

Oh that sounds like an interesting topic

[sinful nimbus]

WHAT

[lethal burrow]

lmao this feels like reverse gerrymandering somehow

[spare pendant]

Not possible, Hallownest shares territory with and intrudes on other territories a bit

[sinful nimbus]

We've never been so back

[midnight warren]

all I'm wondering here is whether it's possible for the ETV ending to be canon to the Act 3 ending in Silksong

[whole holly]

not Civilization itself, but when i said Hallownest i meant the region, so i don't know what region is called and that kingdom is called hallownest doesn't change fact that Hallownest as Whole is not entirely dead ( not referring to kingdom because Hallownest is more than that)

[obsidian quail]

may i see

[sinful nimbus]

It is

[lethal burrow]

wait pharloon bay will be used to sail to the other DLCs

[cedar skiff]

i hate embrace the void

[sinful nimbus]

God bless

[cedar skiff]

auraslop

[spark valve]

Embrace the void is bad yes

[obsidian quail]

dream no more is the best

[sinful nimbus]

Team Cherry only knows how to make auraslop now

[obsidian quail]

but i like replaying bosses

[pseudo charm]

Idk which parts of greenpath were given to the pale king but i know it is some (and I know that theres more of it besides Queens Gardens that is part of hallownest) so I just did it based on how easy of a circle it'd be to draw

I included the deepnest tram bc it was the successful one, and I excluded the radiance statue for shits and giggles

[lethal burrow]

I like the god seeker ending because it's funny to me how they just hijack everything completely from the main plot.

[cedar skiff]

last dive sequence is auragem

[spare pendant]

Hallownest basically encompasses the main kingdom (city of tears, blue lake, dirtmouth, crystal peaks, etc) as well as Pilgrim's Road, Queen's Gardens, and debatably the edge

[edgy barn]

But think of THK being alive!

[dapper willow]

I really do have to put Silksong next to Solo leveling now
How could this happen /j

[sinful nimbus]

Only because Larkin carries the entire game's narrative on his back

[spare pendant]

The region is just a patch of land, idk why it matters

[obsidian quail]

i think it’s everything but the hive deepnest and mantis tribes right

oh does greenpath count

[edgy barn]

Only the pilgrim's way

[midnight warren]

but how did the Knight turn into a Shade and join his bros in the goop soup? do we see that? because that fits more to the DNM ending

[terse warren]

i saw this screenshot like once of a guy that said you could activate this map with debug or something

they talked about other actual pieces of cut content so i doubt this is a fake

[edgy barn]

So esentially one road

[terse warren]

that's false he didn't even playtest lost kin

[severe thicket]

https://youtu.be/vVcyviM7Wok?si=eA6VMjRMmjvTV0FC THIS VIDEO IS FUCKING REAL

[sinful nimbus]

The abyss was open and I don't know why it couldn't mould the void into any form it wanted

[severe siren]

This wasn’t here before but its also barebones

[severe thicket]

(fanmade)💔

[severe siren]

Bad quality image i know

[cedar skiff]

i also hate the idea of embrace the void even having a chance of being canon because godseeker is so deattached from hks main narrative its so uncompelling

embrace the slop

[obsidian quail]

oh snap, is this DLC

[midnight warren]

kidna agree, just like on a meta level lol

[whole holly]

that is because that is what people typically mean, not excusively the kingdom but entire explorable area in HK Game, region still has like even if we only include actual kingdom it is still not dead, just on brink of it because survivors exist

[cedar skiff]

silksong dlc in january 👀

[pseudo charm]

hey so you know how the abyss doesnt close behind hornet when she escapes the abyss the first time?

pharlooms abyss is cooked

[cedar skiff]

how so

[dapper willow]

I love all the Hallownest rebuilding fanfictions
(onle the good ones)

[pseudo charm]

there is an INSANE amount of lava rising*

[spare pendant]

It's unclear if howling cliffs or kingdom's edge count, since we see dead bugs at the end of howling cliffs and the colosseum in kingdom's edge

also the abyss is definitely not hallownest

[edgy barn]

If you return to the area it reveals that it did close

[cedar skiff]

we wont need fanfictions in silksong because we are getting that epilogue dlc

[severe siren]

If lava and void were poured into a bowl, would the lava flow over the void or would the void flow over the lava
Which is more dense

[pseudo charm]

I thought I was onto something not on something </3

[dapper willow]

That is so much hopim that it makes me hope too

[pseudo charm]

you'd get obsidian

[dapper willow]

We are all waiting for an epilouge dlc

[flint wadi]

yeah, and if its your preferred ending it practically is

[sinful nimbus]

Void would sit there doing nothing because lava is too bright

[cedar skiff]

always bet on rebuilding pharloom

[spare pendant]

true actually

[spark valve]

Until it cools

[lethal burrow]

My God this feels so fucking weird

[dapper willow]

there are already a few like that

[lethal burrow]

It gives me like a weird feeling in my chest. I don't know.

[severe siren]

Pour lava into void, let it cool and you unlock Sharpe

[sinful nimbus]

Forgehome lava built different

[obsidian quail]

so the Bay area is DLC?

[pseudo charm]

Scrapped steel soul enemies </3

[whole holly]

that might be actual origin

[cedar skiff]

deep docks lava gets low diffed by a fucking bell

[sinful nimbus]

not scrapped trust in the expansions

[obsidian quail]

i was hoping for a steel dlc but they could be there

[spare pendant]

steel is notably not lava

[sinful nimbus]

Act 4 will be visiting the forgehome to get a highly powerful heat amulet that will melt the City of Steel in Act 5

[obsidian quail]

a steel boss is a backer boss so it has to appear don’t worry lighthouse they’re coming

[midnight warren]

nah i kinda agree with the other person here saying it's a really unfitting ending because of how detached the Godseeker is from the main narrative. being able to fight the Radiance in Godhome just seems like a cop out, it even leaves THK alive..

[flint wadi]

hopefully

[pseudo charm]

Steel is actually a form of soul, which is why we’re getting hollow knight : clankclonk, where we play as sharpe

[obsidian quail]

Dream No More is cinema

[flint wadi]

oh definitely, thats why i prefer dnm
but it would be unfair to godmaster and people who like etv to just leave it out there

[whole holly]

well steel is technically not lava, but molten metals look and act like lava so difference is just semantics and technicality

[severe thicket]

also forgot this was the wrong channel💔

[edgy barn]

And finally in Act 6 we go to the Blackbarrens and meet the Blackwyrm face to face

[lethal burrow]

team Cherry will just never add sharpe because it's an excuse to keep working on the game if they keep coincidentally not being able to fit sharpe in

[severe siren]

Act 7 is playable Lace

[dapper willow]

void is probaly less dense than lava since hornet can swim in it so lava would push it up slowly

[terse warren]

forgehome new godhome?

[obsidian quail]

and in act 7 we go back in time and it turns out Hornet is the reason the ancient civilization fell

[flint wadi]

basically either interpretation works, and honestly id rather them leave it at that

[cedar skiff]

steel city is a psyop made to distract you from the epilogue dlc

[severe siren]

We can find out if we drop vessels into lava

[obsidian quail]

that would sting

[severe siren]

In mass

[midnight warren]

playable Lace is just the third game, it's gonna be a trilogy, the final game will be Lace figuring out the history of the Wyrms

[edgy barn]

Which will be able to do since Act 8 unlocks THK as a playable character.

[cedar skiff]

the vessels get hurt by a little bit of acid

[spark valve]

They also have the shells as a confounding factor

[obsidian quail]

what about their shells

[spare pendant]

a complete cycle

[pseudo charm]

Shakra for hollow knight 3?

[severe siren]

It’ll burn clean off trust

[obsidian quail]

POSHANKA

[whole holly]

other than City of Steel, Pharloom Bay and Black Barrens what other areas are mentioned in Silksong absent from game?

[rigid vale]

Shakra is too tall

[obsidian quail]

Karak prime

[midnight warren]

Shakra is too tall, she's like 6 times the size of The Knight

[edgy barn]

ngl I REALLY don't want Lace to be the third protagonist

[spare pendant]

hallownest :troll

[spark valve]

Sandsea wastes unless that’s just referring to areas between kingdoms

[pseudo charm]

Third game time

[spare pendant]

i think it is

[severe siren]

Godhome, you will never EVER escape Godmaster lore…

[flint wadi]

salt lakes

forgehome

shakras village

garmonds village

[edgy barn]

I would rather we get a whole new character

[pseudo charm]

When will team cherry make pablo?

[obsidian quail]

do you guys prefer Hollow Knight or Silksong at this point?

[sinful nimbus]

Consider a game where you constantly have to be fighting enemies for their silk to stave off a gradual health decrease.... A hungry knight successor

[spare pendant]

Silksong

[terse warren]

wait forgehome?

[severe siren]

Salt lakes either has to be pharloom bay or is a small area connecting to it

[spark valve]

Mechanically ss is a lot better

[obsidian quail]

also wherever the flowers come from

[whole holly]

thanks very insightful

[terse warren]

PLEASE cook again

[spark valve]

Pale lake is also a salt lake

[spare pendant]

silksong has peak everything

[cedar skiff]

i want an artbook

[flint wadi]

forgehome isnt really in the game is it

[terse warren]

ive never heard of it

[whole holly]

Godseeker is dead, unless new characters just like it pop up in Pharloom i would not be expecting it

[edgy barn]

...Can Lace even produce silk on her own?

[flint wadi]

let me pull forge daughter dialogue

[terse warren]

hornet gives her a silk heart trust

[quartz salmon]

so these lines of code are from the new patch ???

[spare pendant]

we're getting a god's glory dlc so

[severe siren]

Oh believe me i do not want godseeker but they will spite us all anyway

[whole holly]

third? who is second, in Silksong?

[lethal burrow]

are we comparing silk song to pre hidden dreams hollow knight? Or current hollow knight

[obsidian quail]

personally I think Hollow Knight clears Silk but Silk has some high highs

[pseudo charm]

Im guessing far from pharloom

[spare pendant]

hornet is second protagonist

[severe siren]

Correct

[twin dragon]

Imo silk clears hk by a wide margin

[obsidian quail]

HK right now to Silksong

[sinful nimbus]

First impressions are that the moment to moment gameplay (Combat and platforming), combat balance, art, and music are way better

Hollow Knight has a better story

Which game has the better map I'm still trying to figure out

[quartz salmon]

YIPPEEEE is there anything else of note

[whole holly]

Godseeker can be dead while us getting God's Glory DLC at same time, not inherently mutually exclusive, like you suggest

[lethal burrow]

hmmmmmm, I feel like I need two weeks to answer that

[twin dragon]

Idk about the story part

[lethal burrow]

Yeah, that's a hard one because we already have the story of the first game figured out. Meanwhile, we're still working on the second one so it's sort of not a good place to view it.

[severe siren]

Criminal that the game with vastly superior build crafting doesnt at least have a boss refight system

No boss rush is obviously understandable if they wanted to add more content later

[twin dragon]

Ss's story kind of makes us care more about some characters

[cedar skiff]

hollow knights story is way more tight knit and easier to figure out/interpret

[flint wadi]

forge daughter's homeland(?)

holy SHIT discord can you load ANYTHING

[twin dragon]

Yeah, it's less complex

[severe siren]

Nope not that i know of

[terse warren]

silksong map feels a bit small because of how fast you can go idk if it's a good thing or a bad thing

also i think i prefer the music, more area themes are stuck in my head from HK than from Silksong

[spare pendant]

but we'll probably get lore for her clan, and may find someone else from it, despite it being presumed dead iirc

[quartz salmon]

aight still very exciting

[edgy barn]

Which is not necessarily a bad thing

[flint wadi]

^ i kinda stand by this too

[twin dragon]

Had the same feeling tbf, but the more i replay it the more it sticks to me

[spark valve]

A lot of areas are also pretty whatever

[terse warren]

mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i wonder

[twin dragon]

I list that as a positive in my book

[cedar skiff]

im just waiting for a swap mod

[spare pendant]

pharloom is like twice the size of hallownest so it's just placebo i think

[flint wadi]

silksongs story is a bit disappointing cause its a retreading when it couldve easily been something new

[cedar skiff]

let me fuck up pharloom as the knight

[pseudo charm]

Godseeker can move to pharloom after either A. Failed p5, no god to worship there
B. Knight fucked it all up and left godseeker

[terse warren]

areas do feel similar whereas all the HK ones are varied

[edgy barn]

I think the complexity of Silksongs story sometimes hurts it more than it helps

[sinful nimbus]

Story is worse because of the Act 3 unlocks

[twin dragon]

you're a movement god in silksong sooo

[terse warren]

the areas are all different Shades of Grey

[twin dragon]

Elaborate

[spare pendant]

no im actually quite bad

[whole holly]

well yeah, that is necessarily what i am implied, Godseeker can be dead but related or equivalent bug may appear in pharloom

[lethal burrow]

I think silk song has better areas personally.

Less generic ones for sure.

[spare pendant]

I wasn't disagreeing

[edgy barn]

I read that as swamp mod and was about to ask why you would want a fourth maggot water area

[terse warren]

you have green grey, blue grey, black grey, green gray but different, grey grey, gold grey...

[sinful nimbus]

There is nothing in the story adequately pointing you in the right direction for true ending unlike Hollow Knight

[flint wadi]

pharloom is more varried but less bright and i think it kinda hurts it a little

[obsidian quail]

i think Silksong has better art but i prefer HK’s aesthetic and atmosphere more, i think lore and world building is better, story better, i actually find silksong enemies a bit overtuned and think HK had better balance

[lethal burrow]

I don't think this fits either of the games

[whole holly]

okay

[obsidian quail]

even my friend who loved HK still hasn’t finished cuz he’s finding it a chore

[flint wadi]

but overall it blows hallownest out of the water from sheer scale

[severe siren]

Mfw bilewater is the most memorable area music (and karak and choral chambers and cogworks but those are besides the point)

[obsidian quail]

especially with tedious side quest requirements

[terse warren]

it's a feeling i had a lot in skong

[twin dragon]

I guess, but like HK, the first ending leaves you with a sensation of "there must be a better way"

[flint wadi]

i also like citadels architecture more

[spark valve]

I more meant in terms of having stuff in them, plus ss has a lot of weird dead ends without much reward

[terse warren]

the game needs more brightness

[obsidian quail]

i think silksong was more tedious than it had to be

[twin dragon]

To then shatter that view when act 3 begins

[quartz salmon]

greymoor and bellhart are also very good and deep docks too

[obsidian quail]

silksong definitely has better music

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong's aesthetic is peak because it allows me to scratch the "Exploring a vast industrialized megastructure vital to the region" itch without playing Rain World

[lethal burrow]

The only really "gray" areas are greymoor, marrow, the slab, and blasted steps.

And I think most people agree those areas have very distinct vibes.

[midnight warren]

Imo Silksong's map is overall more coherent and believable. Areas are placed well imo. But also, did we need Sinner's Road, BileWaterand Putrified Ducts all next to each other with the same type of hazards? A bit too much imo

[cedar skiff]

TRUTH NUKE

[whole holly]

i really liked music in greenpath, but i might agree

[twin dragon]

We have swamps, industrial areas, ducts, forests, cities, dried out beaches with corals, rain world tier area variety

[quartz salmon]

someone has to make a mod where you play rw as hornet

[edgy barn]

I do really like that in Silksong's map it is inmediatly and clearly obvious what counts as a major area and what is simply a sub-area

[quartz salmon]

ik i was talking about the music more

[terse warren]

it's peak because it allows you to play a mid game instead of a peak one? i don't get it

[cedar skiff]

silksongs areas perfectly contrasting with hornets bright red cloak is just consistent eye candy to me

[lethal burrow]

I get what they were going for with the hell quadrant and I like it personally

[twin dragon]

Oh yeah music hits in this game

[severe siren]

All of act 3 is literally just meant for HK fans + aura moments

||Void takeover, shamans, three queens, abyss, delicate flower, mr mushroom (mushroom is chill though), the fucking knight with a shade lord blip||

[sinful nimbus]

That's why I don't like it yeah

Gameplay wise needing to do a bunch of random sidequests blows too

[whole holly]

me too

[pseudo charm]

The idea is that they’re the citadel’s waste dump or whatever

[twin dragon]

It does incorporate some fanservice but i think it was done rlly well

[sinful nimbus]

At least we got Seth Khaan and Karmelita

[spark valve]

And even ignoring that in terms of the narrative focus it’s a total shift for basically no reason

[cedar skiff]

also one thing i really dislike about act 3 is having to redo gauntlets but theyre void now

[obsidian quail]

yeah i don’t think HK’s is better i just prefer that empty and grimsical ethereal/dreamy aesthetic it had, more to my tastes, but Silksong’s art direction is definitely wayyy better

[terse warren]

ok hold on though the Shamans were cool, they got foreshadowed by some dialogues so they didn't feel out of left field

[lethal burrow]

tbh I have a hard time believing they were doing it for anyone other than themselves because they thought it would be cool

[twin dragon]

The shaman shaped npcs are shaman, holy shit

[flint wadi]

its only putrified ducts that makes it seem redundant
its also the only area in the whole game that could be removed and be a net positive for it

[terse warren]

they weren't shaman shaped at all except for caretaker tbh

[flint wadi]

sinners road/bilewater is perfectly fine imo

[sinful nimbus]

Man the nostalgia wave I'll get replaying HK is going to be rough

[twin dragon]

they're all similar soo

[quartz salmon]

maybe in sumbsequent playthroughs its a little boring but the first time? Hell nah i enjoyed all that shit, just more incentive to explore and see the beautiful areas more

[terse warren]

they don't look nearly similar lol

[flint wadi]

and swamp areas are fitting for the grimey tone pharloom is going for as much as i am sad it does

[twin dragon]

Black with white eyes

[midnight warren]

I get that, but the area in total feels bigger than the Citadel itself (i know it technically isn't), but it's just a matter of proportionality

[terse warren]

hornet is also black is she half shaman

[severe siren]

Some of the best fights in the game thematically

[sinful nimbus]

I'm on a subsequent playthrough, my goal was to beat the game with no needle upgrades and without visiting the Blasted Steps however both of these challenges turned out to be impossible because of the arbitrary requirements and that blows

[lyric ledge]

What exactly happens in the parasite ending?

[lethal burrow]

You ignored three out of four words in the sentence

[severe siren]

Genuinely painful that you cant refight them quickly on a fresh save

[twin dragon]

With the proportions yknow, but caretaker and elder also fit the isolated mf in the middle of nowhere

[spark valve]

I with karmelita didn’t have the ants before her you spend more time fighting them than her

[terse warren]

are you really gonna tell me these guys look similar at all

[pseudo charm]

I gotta disagree soz

[lethal burrow]

Am I wrong?

[severe siren]

Me when grapple

[spare pendant]

Hornet in ss: yours was life, pale one. Do not mistake your unique creation for its absence.

Hornet in hk: only pity for your cursed kind.

[edgy barn]

Greyroot consumes both Hornet and Grand Mother Silk and is reborn, presumably as a higher being.

[cedar skiff]

city of tears feels so small in comparison to the citadel

[spark valve]

I know but they’re still annoying

[quartz salmon]

its a bit cooky how the game is somehow more linear while being twice the size of the original but i dont really mind it

[twin dragon]

I think it ties up really neatly to the story, esp with the hopeless vibe and world change

[lyric ledge]

Ah - ok makes sense - shame we dont see the effects of that

[pseudo charm]

The root haunting </3

[terse warren]

?? how do you need needle upgrades and ig blasted is because of TE?

[twin dragon]

With contrast to hollow knight which imo has more hope induced into its true ending

[terse warren]

no but my point stands

[whole holly]

character progression

[spare pendant]

tbf we don't even explore a fraction of it

[spark valve]

Apparently upgrading needle is needed for bellhart upgrade or something

[sinful nimbus]

To get the Silk and Soul quest you need to do 2 Bellhart donation quests and the first donation quest requires that you sharpen your needle

[terse warren]

bruh

[sinful nimbus]

Never hinted at at all in game btw

[lethal burrow]

same with all locations in this 2 d game

[sinful nimbus]

I had to use the wiki to figure out why I couldn't get it

[twin dragon]

Deadass i dont see why its a req

[spare pendant]

the citadel is absolutely massive though that's for sure

pharloom in general is

[cedar skiff]

theres no way this is intended

[severe siren]

Does anyone want the list of act 3 prereqs

[sinful nimbus]

You need to get Fleatopia which requires doing judge

[flint wadi]

its to sell the ascent i assume
never minded it myself, especially since act 1 technically gives plenty of vareity on how to reach act 2
(and act 2 is the city of tears moment for the game)

[cedar skiff]

that is really silly

[terse warren]

right

is phantom required

[sinful nimbus]

Why do I need to gather optional collectibles to get the true ending

[pseudo charm]

What does the moss grotto even do for the citadel

Most areas are important to the citadel somehow but what does the moss grotto do </3 (and even wormways)

[spare pendant]

it's actually way less linear

[sinful nimbus]

I don't believe so

[severe siren]

Sending them anyway

[spark valve]

I mean even HK had this

[terse warren]

plz do

[severe siren]

REQUIRED QUESTS

||Flexile Spines (hunt for spine cores)
Bone Bottom Repairs (bb repair 1)
A Lifesaving Bridge (bb repair 2)
Crawbug Clearing (kill crows for scarecrow)
Building Up Songclave (sc repair 1)
Strengthening Songclave (sc repair 2)
Restoration of Bellhart (bh repair 1)
Bellhart's Glory (bh repair 2)
Trail's End (shakra final quest)
Balm for the Wounded (rescue sherma)||

WORLD STATE

||Fleatopia
Double Jump
Lace Refight
House Key
17 optional quests completed||

[edgy barn]

They are just wilderness

[quartz salmon]

okay correcting myself : it *feels less linear (at least personally but i dont have a problem with that)

[spare pendant]

there are like four different paths where you can meet lace, and in three of them it skips the fight

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah it was bad there too but SS dials this typa thing to 11

[flint wadi]

wdym, does it have to do anything

its a wildlife area, and its pretty remote from it

[severe siren]

The prereqs are so complicated cause tc decided to be silly with their “||change the whole world teehee||”

[sinful nimbus]

The house key is so funny

[terse warren]

i mean the paths feel less than the ones you had in hk1

[spark valve]

They could’ve kept a lot of these prereqs not required and been fine

[sinful nimbus]

Why do I need to talk to Pavo immediately 🙏

[twin dragon]

Makes sense to get some stuff before the entire world changes

But yeah it's hella hidden

[sinful nimbus]

Its not like pavo dies in act 3 😭

[dapper willow]

I actually wanted the infection to cahnge the world more
And the void kinda did it in pharloom

[spare pendant]

fleatopia doesn't need to be pre act 3 at all

none of them die

[obsidian quail]

i’m still very partial to HK over SS but i’m about to go back and replay it and make sure it isn’t pure nostalgia

[severe siren]

Would be funny af if he handed you a key while depressed

[terse warren]

you HAVE to go through either Phantom or Judge (ig wisp thicket with early wings) whereas you could've gone greenpath or mushroom or blue lake or i think somewhere else in hk 1

[twin dragon]

city of tears accessed from greenpath???

[cedar skiff]

i wonder what the thematic reasoning is then because there has to be some explanation for this tomfoolery

[obsidian quail]

i also like how in HK u can explore the world more organically and i do appreciate how SS wishes point u to unexplored areas in places but it kinda takes away from the magic of like yoo what is this place

it’s a double edged sword

[quartz salmon]

its gonna play and feel like ass after silksong

its like downgrading from 1000 dollar stake to 5 dollar meatball
(its still good tho)

[dapper willow]

I guess limits are important after all
Limits improve creativity

[cedar skiff]

true,....

[pseudo charm]

Bro gets salt bae steaks </3

[flint wadi]

the game opens up at fungal wastes, theres also a cooky early dream nail route but ss technically has that too with wormways

[spark valve]

There is but that could’ve been accomplished pretty soundly just with quest completion tracking

[terse warren]

mhh true

[edgy barn]

I have to hard disagree with you there, my entire playtrought was filled with those "yoo what is this place" kind of moments.

[spare pendant]

In terms of its place in game design, I feel like reaching citadel is more like killing your first dreamer than reaching city of tears

[severe siren]

If i was gonna write a fanon act 3, instead of void takeover, i’d make it so SOMEHOW every area got restored to its prime which would also create more buildup to fights like Khann and Karmelita, and Verdania being a proper place, while also restoring coral and whatnot

[cedar skiff]

i did a lot of silksong exploring organically which is why i had a lot of hours on my initial playtrhoguh and it was super fun, it was a little annoying having to backtrack for quests for act 3 though

[obsidian quail]

i don’t think the whiplash would be as bad for me because i wasn’t a big tool user and just bonked people with my needle

at least combat wise, i like simpler

[midnight warren]

Keep in mind you're comparing two of the best games in the genre here, any differences in quality are miniscule compared to actually worse games

[twin dragon]

Should be pretty intuitive that hornet's there to help the local populus and you'd have to do exactly that to progress

[spare pendant]

two of the best games in the genre

[quartz salmon]

still the movement and combat in the game is insane relative to hk

[flint wadi]

city of tears is when the world really becomes your oyster though and ss has that too in act 2, both on a smaller (but still large as fuck) scale with citadel and even larger with the rest of the world

[lethal burrow]

It's not that hard to boot it up why not see

[obsidian quail]

yeah but i mean a lot of places i found was i was pointed in that direction via the wishes and tasks instead of just finding it out in the wild

[twin dragon]

Citadel hit me like a shotgun the first time i entered

[edgy barn]

This is a complete lie, I 112℅ HK inmediatly after silksong and it did not in fact feel like ass

[severe siren]

Citadel is an oyster of its own on top of being an oyster for the rest of the map lmao

[twin dragon]

Same for city of tears

Though idk which first impressions i prefer

[flint wadi]

yeah pretty much, i dont blame act 1 being a little linear because citadel is meant to be centerpiece of the game

[obsidian quail]

i wish Silksong had a Path of Pain because

[deep elk]

Peak capitalism

[obsidian quail]

i had a great time doing platforming

[spare pendant]

remember, path of pain was added in dlc

[deep elk]

PoP was a DLC...... Just saying. 👀

[spark valve]

HK early game is also linear

[severe siren]

Area so big its got its own fast travel

Take a shot every time you fast travel to Grand Bellway to switch to ventricles/bellbeast

[flint wadi]

absolutely, and its also much smaller so it turns into people comparing apples to oranges

[obsidian quail]

okay the stocks are up

[midnight warren]

I just want to be able to refight all the bosses

[obsidian quail]

Citadel has my favorite architecture aesthetic in both games

[spark valve]

This was annoying you should’ve just been able to directly access any place once unlocking both grand bellway things

[severe siren]

Hard agree, make a side menu for it

[edgy barn]

I wouldn't count the Citadel as a singular traditional "area" tbh, it's obscenely big and clearly divided.

[sinful nimbus]

How I would make the map

[obsidian quail]

i know i thought for sure when Hornet was talking about weaving memories u would be able to go in ur memories and fight completed bosses like Sekiro

[severe siren]

ITS PEAK 🥹

[spark valve]

Pharloom bay goes on the right you clown

[pseudo charm]

Technically you can split off as early as the marrow lol (although you gotta be an insane person)

[gritty grotto]

i wonder why team cherry decided to make hornet's cloak more vibrant in silksong

[severe siren]

And yeah pharloom bay is right

[sinful nimbus]

Why on earth would the bay go on the right instead of near the coral highlands

[cedar skiff]

what the fuck is that to the right

[obsidian quail]

what’s pukebug land

[severe siren]

Look i get it makes way more sense to be on the left but the in-game evidence points to it being the right sadly

[spark valve]

Put coral highlands on right too have you not seen the announcement trailer barnacle town it’s clearly on the right edge of the kingdom

[sinful nimbus]

Where was shown off in the trailers before he became an abyss dude

[quartz salmon]

btw they removed the enemy that was at the top right here lmao that little guy singlehandedly cut off the entire momentum of the runback

[spark valve]

Good

[sinful nimbus]

Trailers can be mirrored

[spark valve]

Ew

You should be ashamed

[severe siren]

Verdania shouldve always been on the left i do not care

[sinful nimbus]

It makes the most sense

[spark valve]

Verdania’s placement makes no sense yeah

[cedar skiff]

silksong geography discoruseä

[severe siren]

What were they smoking

They shouldve put wormways elsewhere

[flint wadi]

for me the flaws of silksong are

story (couldve been entirely new, it nails characters, dialogue, intrigue, but the main narrative and the lore preceeding it feels reprised)

direction they took pharloom in (i like grim and drab in many places, but for a game that opened with color in the trailers it really hurts that we didnt get it)

uhhhhh act 3 (in places, not entirely)

[cedar skiff]

wormways should not have been in the game

[spark valve]

They should’ve *cut wormways

[cedar skiff]

utterly useless area

[severe siren]

Wormways serves zero purpose lmao

[sinful nimbus]

Verdania feels me with an inconsolable sadness

[severe siren]

Its also a really small zone

[flint wadi]

RIGHT?

[sinful nimbus]

It could've connected to Barnacle bay 🥹

[cedar skiff]

i literally skipped wormways until i went for 100

[sinful nimbus]

It could've connected to ANYTHING

[median olive]

How strong is grandmother silks, and whats her true name cause i dont think her real name is grandmother, i think she is called grandmother cause she is the grandmother of hornet

[sinful nimbus]

It could've had real stuff to do to

[spark valve]

That’s the point

[terse warren]

where's the hunter's march upgrade bruh

[cedar skiff]

all in the green princes mind???

[obsidian quail]

what made them decide to cut Coral Karak

[severe siren]

It literally connected to moss grotto at one point and it would make so much sense and im so pissed off why did they feel the need to move it

[obsidian quail]

that place looked beautiful

[flint wadi]

to me that looked like barnacle area im not sure why that needs to be separated into its own thihng

[median olive]

to show the damage done by the weavers

[sinful nimbus]

Hunter's March should be PROSPERING

[sinful nimbus]

It just feels right to be below Blasted Steps

[terse warren]

hunter's march being like 5 rooms should not be something we let TC have

[flint wadi]

no but like is it even its own area

[cedar skiff]

im crying man they fucked up 3 areas just to make the weavers more evil

[sinful nimbus]

Idk

[severe siren]

To the right of greymoor, yeah fucking right

[severe siren]

The only part that makes sense about this KINDA is far fields is green also and thats kinda close

[sinful nimbus]

Also the right side was looking a lil empty

[spark valve]

Yeah hunter’s march is a joke

[median olive]

I think they will come again in the dlc

[flint wadi]

both sides of pharloom have an overlapping biome and they wanted the most immediate area to the left to share that desert motif

[terse warren]

many areas are tbh

[flint wadi]

so we got wormways

[sinful nimbus]

Holy mother of peak though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVtmcPV6A0

[spark valve]

But it has the wrong plants

[cedar skiff]

i should not have to wait until act 3 to fight karmelita again

[obsidian quail]

it hurts

[severe siren]

But greymoor has the wrong everything

[cedar skiff]

wait do you need to fight gms once for silk and soul to be avaiable

[severe siren]

REQUIRED QUESTS

||Flexile Spines (hunt for spine cores)
Bone Bottom Repairs (bb repair 1)
A Lifesaving Bridge (bb repair 2)
Crawbug Clearing (kill crows for scarecrow)
Building Up Songclave (sc repair 1)
Strengthening Songclave (sc repair 2)
Restoration of Bellhart (bh repair 1)
Bellhart's Glory (bh repair 2)
Trail's End (shakra final quest)
Balm for the Wounded (rescue sherma)||

WORLD STATE

||Fleatopia
Double Jump
Lace Refight
House Key
17 optional quests completed||

[median olive]

Why are the ant hunter attacking us even tho we killed kar....

[sinful nimbus]

Greymoor makes sense actually

[spark valve]

Yes so put verdania where wormways is

[obsidian quail]

it’s available after lace part 2

[terse warren]

Cradle, March, Karak, Grand Gate, Wisp Thicket...

all these areas and probably a couple more have so few rooms

[sinful nimbus]

Its a deforested Wisp Thicket

[flint wadi]

it doesnt matter either way cause its verdania of the present

[severe siren]

Oh wait true

[flint wadi]

^ this btw

[cedar skiff]

wait thank you goat

[terse warren]

well wisp thicket is more fine because it is just Greymoor instead of its own area

[median olive]

Wisp thicket is interesting cause it has maggot water

[sinful nimbus]

Wisp Thicket has the wrong plants too though

[cedar skiff]

hold up his writing is this fire???

[flint wadi]

whats wrong with wisp being a tiny sub area

[edgy barn]

The reason they are hostile is because of the Haunting, not Karmelita.

[flint wadi]

same for grand gate

[median olive]

Other than bile water its one of the place with maggot water

[terse warren]

grand gate has its own map that you have to pay for

[flint wadi]

karak is bigger than a few rooms too

[flint wadi]

eh

[terse warren]

oh right Putrified Ducts too

[cedar skiff]

bile water has no reason to be that large btw

[sinful nimbus]

Karak seems fine for how much space it takes up on the map

[cedar skiff]

utter nonsense area

[flint wadi]

ducts are objectively bad though i agree

[edgy barn]

It is its own area though. It has a unique map color and its name shows up on all caps

[sinful nimbus]

Well it is next to Sinner's

[median olive]

NAH THE CORAL PALACE IS SOO BEAUTIFUL

[terse warren]

however much space it takes on the map it won't fill the hole left by coral gorge

[median olive]

Its next to underworks

[severe siren]

TC shouldnt have released so soon 🥱 the map needs minor rearranging

[flint wadi]

imo every area in the game is good besides ducts

[median olive]

Ohh right....

[terse warren]

you don't need the map for it

[spark valve]

‘minor’

[cedar skiff]

im actually shocked by how much they rearranged so close to release

[terse warren]

march is the definition of missed potential

[flint wadi]

it introduces the map distributor for citadel i guess, its not a huge thing tbh

[severe siren]

Ducts is very small im not surprised if there’s a lot more rooms for it that’ll be added there, especially connecting to bay inevitably

[cedar skiff]

hunters march has like 3 rooms and some of the best enemies in the entire game

[severe siren]

Ducts doesnt even got a boss or nothing

[sinful nimbus]

The unmistakable stench of rewrite

[spark valve]

The fucking ant structures in the announcement trailer why did we have to lose them

[median olive]

Silksong is less beautiful due to lore reasons

[median olive]

^^

[terse warren]

march is one of the 2 times in the game you see the color red in an area

[spark valve]

But it is mandatory because fuck you

[terse warren]

the other time is Karak

[terse warren]

[sinful nimbus]

All areas are mandatory you need to buy their maps

[cedar skiff]

wormways and ducts have to be the most forgettable areas in the game

[terse warren]

not all, verdania isn't

[spark valve]

There are some where you can get the maps without going there

[lyric ledge]

What's with the base ending? - did hornet just become a higher being and lose her mind or something?

[sinful nimbus]

Wormways is memorable because of how rage inducing it was

[median olive]

Petrified ducts isnt that forgettable tbh

The enemies are worse

[sinful nimbus]

Wormways I think?

[spark valve]

The fact that that’s not the name speaks volumes

[dapper willow]

I actually liked wormways a little bit more than ducts
The cealing plants are very memorable though
Ducts could def use an expansion along with hunters march, whisp ticket and wormways

[cedar skiff]

its so memorable i forgot about it until i realised i was missing percentage

[flint wadi]

sure, but for its place in progression and what you can find there id say its fine

[quartz salmon]

i think tc have really big balls for greying up the map cause "fuck you and it makes sense"

[sinful nimbus]

GMS's will being bound to Hornet and Hornet's innate desire to control (Because she's half wyrm) results in her likely doing the same thing GMS did

[cedar skiff]

putting the useless lifeblood lore in the most forgettable area wait its genius actually

[sinful nimbus]

Its better than the 2022 trailer

[severe siren]

Never forget

[sinful nimbus]

I was kinda baffled rewatching that after playing the game it was so gray

[cedar skiff]

because lifeblood lore is LAME and BORING

[flint wadi]

problem is this applies to many areas and march doesnt have it particularly bad just... missing a conclusion i guess

[lyric ledge]

What about that movement at the end - and why did hornet even bind to her?

[flint wadi]

but act 3 kinda delivers on that

[severe siren]

Pukebug was 100% in barnacle bay

[flint wadi]

this is barnacle area right

[severe siren]

Cant believe they voided my boy

[flint wadi]

im not crazy right

[edgy barn]

Hornet binds GMS because she has no other way of putting her down.

[cedar skiff]

wait was the abyss even in earlier stage maps

[severe siren]

You are not crazy

[quartz salmon]

trailers look grey but have vibrant areas

release has brighter colours but the vibrant areas are gone

is it genius?

[flint wadi]

~2020

[sinful nimbus]

It wasn't in 2019 I don't think but Bellhart had a void cult above it

[lyric ledge]

Is killing just not an option? - is there a lore reason i mean

[median olive]

Yet

[cedar skiff]

whatever that was im glad we got the abyss over that

[severe siren]

Rearrange the map NOW

[dapper willow]

she is too strong I guess

[cedar skiff]

void cult discoursse would have been just awesome

[lyric ledge]

Sounds like a forced reason

[flint wadi]

do people have gripes with location placements i dont get it

[dapper willow]

I don't like how there are gaps in the map
It could have been filled out

[sinful nimbus]

A void cult would've been a lot better so long as it wasn't in the spotlight like the abyss was

[severe siren]

Swap verdania with wormways

[flint wadi]

cause honestly its fine

the locations themselves leave something to lament over though

[quartz salmon]

not really no at least personally

[cedar skiff]

id preferred if the void wasnt all that present to begin with

[flint wadi]

we werent gonna get verdania either way

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah you get it

[severe siren]

I know but i still think it geographically blows ass

[flint wadi]

though a ruined verdania we could explore early game and go back later to explore it in the past would be really cool ngl

[quartz salmon]

its like rain world the void sea is a constant everywhere you cant escape it

[sinful nimbus]

The rage I feel whenever I remember what happened to Garmond for even a split second

[dapper willow]

I liked the new void creatures and the void in general
Abyss was kinda meh in the original in retrospect so I'm happy i got to see more

[cedar skiff]

i think act 3 handled it just ok i dont have strong feelings (although sorry it was aura and hype moments seeing act 3 the abyss and i was cheesing walking through voidified citadel) but i think theres ways the points they were trying to make in act 3 would have worked without void being the central storytelling tool

[median olive]

I mean the abyss is also meh in silksong

[flint wadi]

i dont cause present verdania doesnt look out of place at all :p

[terse warren]

are these fucking bonebottom supplies as a tool

[median olive]

Like nothing mich except a good spell and last fight

[dapper willow]

true...
But there are more creatures there now at least
And they are pretty spooky too

[median olive]

Same as hollowknight but u get 2 spells

[severe siren]

Thats true
My brain just really likes verdania on the left

[spark valve]

Snack

[sinful nimbus]

Why is bro fighting Skull Tyrant mid supply run 😭

Why is she even in the marrow

[terse warren]

i honestly find it very interesting how much more open field Greymoor was

look at this shit

[dapper willow]

the areas in silksong don't feel as dense as in hollow knight
They are much more open so they last for a shorter time

[sinful nimbus]

This room made it in I think

[terse warren]

actually everything was more open field

[sinful nimbus]

Not the silk catchers though, those have a lot of aura they should've stayed there

[quartz salmon]

i love everything in its current state but yeah this definitely feels more like a moor

[terse warren]

i mean the background

[cedar skiff]

the way i would have changed act 3 was having gms go berserk in an attempt to save lace for literally any other reason thatn being at the bottom of the void lake and have the central focus on giving hope to a hopeless kingdom be the central point way earlier. would have also made for a stronger narrative from the getgo rather than just oh so hornet wants to find out why she was escorted

[sinful nimbus]

Oh yeah

[kind steeple]

The vital blood as a whole (substance god etc) seems to be very more different for me in silksong than in hk

[sinful nimbus]

If I was in charge of act 3 I'd make Last Judge the final boss 🗣️

[median olive]

Ngl gms never got to rule pharloom

I think

[terse warren]

shellwood too but that might be because there aren't any platforms here

[kind steeple]

In silksong we see lots of drawbacks and it's treated more like a drug where in hk I can't remember any negative connotations

[sinful nimbus]

She does in the present day

[median olive]

The weavers took over then the condutors cause she was too weak trying to recover

But from what??

[kind steeple]

No Silk skill wth

[spark valve]

First sinner better

[median olive]

Nah she was still inside the cocoon

[sinful nimbus]

Weavers shouldn't be evil sorry man 💔

[cedar skiff]

lost lace is a good final boss

[sinful nimbus]

But she haunts the kingdom under her will

[kind steeple]

She still holds influence on the people

[cedar skiff]

the saving grace of the void shenanigans

[terse warren]

never forget what they took from you

[kind steeple]

How do you think she sent the people of citadel to capture us

[pseudo charm]

It was taboo for a reason, maybe the knight/anything tainted by the abyss is immune

[cedar skiff]

the influence being mind control

[sinful nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165411401796431943/1370243505850417152/attachment.gif

[severe siren]

never forget what they took from you

[quartz salmon]

never forget that theyre giving it back to you

[cedar skiff]

steel slop

[median olive]

She sent people of citadel to capture weavers cause weavers enslaved the people thinking they were higher being , destroyed coral palace and bile water and other places then fled

[whole holly]

that will be in Dong and Dig DLC

[sinful nimbus]

Taboos are more social restrictions

[severe siren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1232486756742598757/Sharpe_Attack.gif

[terse warren]

wait the fuck

[whole holly]

why isn't this is game, but then again it is prime DLC material

[severe siren]

Oh yeah wisp thicket guy

[terse warren]

the hell is Wisp Thicket mofo doing in Greymoor

[severe siren]

Its the same region except greymoor is deforested

[quartz salmon]

YES i AM a steel slop pig and i will be eating the STEEL DLC that WILL be COMING out

[terse warren]

🥀

[median olive]

Getting some air

[spark valve]

Yeah what happened here this shit was cool

[terse warren]

Trailer 1 backgrounds were like so much cooler

[cedar skiff]

you will be waiting for your steel dlc for another 3 years while i will be rejoicing in my shakra centric comic come 2026

[terse warren]

so much more detailed

[severe siren]

They reworked Khann’s arena background TWICE 😭

[grand star]

how about we just ban discord users from ever writing stories

[sinful nimbus]

Ari realizing his time is better spent on random irrelevant cutscenes no one cares about

[cedar skiff]

damn

[whole holly]

Moss grotto is best area in Pharloom, second is Shellwood, in Hallownest it is Greenpath followed by Queen's Gardens

[sinful nimbus]

I think the Khann arena is great in its final state

[cedar skiff]

not too much on the cutscenes theyre cool

[severe siren]

I agree i love the final

[cedar skiff]

and the animation improved so much

[terse warren]

look at the haunted kingdom we could've restored hope to

look at how many bellhomes

[median olive]

I think u like green u should also visit the princes place

[cedar skiff]

am i crazy or is this virtually the same

[spark valve]

It’s not because in it’s initial state it was probably y’know in the world

[sinful nimbus]

Imagine if Bellhart started out like its final form and then morphed into its 2019 form as you do more quests

[sinful nimbus]

I mean the background

[terse warren]

background

[pseudo charm]

Bro wants to breathe smog </3

[grand star]

no they are basically the same discord users are just not too intelligent

[cedar skiff]

ohhh....

[median olive]

The shopkeeper got reworked

[terse warren]

bonebottom got a lot of tents too

[terse warren]

once again star proves a better developer than all of TC combined

[quartz salmon]

yeah because she was UGLY

[median olive]

I dunno feels like the same to be

[velvet hatch]

they might of reworked a lot of backgrounds to not distract you from the enemies right in your face,

[cedar skiff]

wonder what the thoughts were behind these decisions

[whole holly]

yeah i do not even hiding it , i also love verdania, but my fav color is blue, if coral forest was in game it would be my favourite, Sands of Karak are too dull, Areas in Pharloom aren't bright enought for what's supposed to be thriving kingdom

[sinful nimbus]

Songclave looked a bit different too

[velvet hatch]

looks too lively tbh

[sinful nimbus]

I like the more open feel of the new one though

[severe siren]

How i wouldve made coral tower is create one giant tower just like what we have, except to access the different layers of the tower we would have to break crust from the sides of the tower and explore the outside coral region, and ascend through rooms to find another opening higher into the tower. From there you could break shortcuts within the tower to make the route fast upon death

This wouldve made it large enough to warrant a piece of the world map just like verdania, while also having more room to have cool shit

[sinful nimbus]

But the tight city feel of the OG was a vibe

[median olive]

U already visited coral palace??

[terse warren]

the fuck was this quest

[sinful nimbus]

This is peak

[spark valve]

Tbh I think it being a tower of combat gauntlets is cool just put it in an actual coral area

[whole holly]

no not really if you mean Khann boss fight, but what a shame that it isn't actual area

[edgy barn]

Maybe the rhino beetle enemy was originally intended to be a quest boss?

[quartz salmon]

just you wait for the plumed rhino dlc

[sinful nimbus]

I was distraught when I learned plumed rhino was cut 💔

[quartz salmon]

not my gulp shitto

[terse warren]

also wow

the bugs bled

[median olive]

I think silksong might get better dlcs than hollow knight

[terse warren]

there was blood in this fucking game

[sinful nimbus]

They did in the OG hk trailers too

[terse warren]

blue blood whenever enemies got hit

[terse warren]

blood got cut twice 🥀

[whole holly]

yes, standards are in heaven right now

[sinful nimbus]

blue blood purple blood green bleed and red blood for ants

[cedar skiff]

silksong is.. mature media?

[sinful nimbus]

It would've been so cool

[cedar skiff]

most the cut cotent will likely be part of the epilogue dlc

[median olive]

Not gonna lie even tho the fights for getting the everbloom was awesome it didnt make sense we should have gone to hallow nest and taken everbloom from the mantis's grave