sk-lore

[pastel timber]

i think pharloom is much older than hallownest but thats based off of the assumptions that the pale king arrived to hallownest after the weavers did

[fallow spindle]

act 4: were FUCKED

[ember river]

I think the Knight would just eat it like spaghetti

Especially if it's in the Focus form

[fallow spindle]

ture

[ember river]

That shit tore the Radiance apart in seconds

[muted rover]

i miss this guy, only appeared less than a second

[fallow spindle]

its void its probably gonna "spagettify" it

[twilit current]

Hallownest: The last kingdom
Pharloom: Existed before and after Hallownest

Guess we can't have nice things D:

[ember musk]

we HAVE to get a shade lord fight

[fallow spindle]

ehh??? ehhhh?????

[pastel timber]

state propaganda epic fail

[ember river]

We stand not a chance

[scenic stirrup]

The first one is just pale king propaganda

[fallow spindle]

wym lost i found it

[muted rover]

strongest being to ever exist

[ember river]

Wait why is it lost

Void is its entire thing

[fallow spindle]

the void took over the void

[twilit current]

Lost Lace? But she's right there

[ember musk]

alone, maybe, yes, but with PABLO

its an easy win

[pastel timber]

it doesnt know where its going in life </3

[twilit current]

Lost Garamond though D:

[fallow spindle]

its direction Les....

[ember musk]

...bian

[ember river]

Is the Void Void?

[edgy barn]

wdym you Lost Garmond? Go find him!

[fallow spindle]

mayb

[scenic stirrup]

There should be a way to save garmond chat

[pastel timber]

dont jump to conclusions

[scenic stirrup]

Im in great pain

[edgy barn]

Chat was the Hollow Knight a Knight?

[fallow spindle]

maybe there's a way to progress the game befor ehe becomes lost

[twilit current]

Also, the people who say Silksong doesn't have moments of levity never made it to act 3 to find the bell beast babies and the flea festival lol

[ember river]

Also, I think the Pale King was actually that dead Wyrm in Kingdom's Edge

I know it's pure speculation

[pastel timber]

i saw someone say they were gonna get the everbloom before fighting him to see if it made a difference

[fallow spindle]

dk man maybe it was hollow

[scenic stirrup]

Act 4 confirmed?

[ember river]

And that the game points otherwise

But I think it got reincarnated into the Pale King

[scenic stirrup]

I did that nothing happened

[twilit current]

It's understandable, considering act 3 takes some time to get to, but the flea festival was such a vibe

[ember river]

He wasn't, Ogrim doesn't have him in his memory of the Five Great Knights

[pastel timber]

i love that they had seth settle into the flea festival, a celebration of life at the end of all things, it was so sweet

[scenic stirrup]

Once i finished my second playthrough i immediately started another one dawg im so cooked 😭

[twilit current]

Oh I still gotta do that

Can't wait to have to get to the top of the flea leaderboards again

[pastel timber]

i had 100 hours within 2 weeks

[twilit current]

When I have time, I'm doing a second playthrough with architect crest unlocked from the beginning and infinite shards

[scenic stirrup]

I have 130 around now and ugh 70 on my switch

[ember river]

Engineer playthrough

[fallow spindle]

what you think PoP will be named in silksong

[twilit current]

I wanna see just how much I can cheese the bosses and mobs with pure tools lol

[pastel timber]

tools only run go for it

[ember river]

PoP?

[fallow spindle]

or what place fits

[pastel timber]

sidewalk of suffering

[fallow spindle]

path of pain

[ember river]

Oh path of pain

[pastel timber]

avenue of aggravation

[scenic stirrup]

I thought I'd be good enough to do PoP on og hollow knight and got humbled really quick

💀

[twilit current]

People really, really exaggerated the difficulty of silksong platforming when they called every small platforming section path of pain

[scenic stirrup]

I dont like how floaty and slow the knight is compared to hornet

[fallow spindle]

its just gonna be desert bus

[twilit current]

Nothing even compares to the real PoP and I'm sad

[pastel timber]

hornet feels so heavy and momentumful compared to the knight

[scenic stirrup]

Yea silksong platforming is very forgiving with the floats and the clawlines

[fallow spindle]

PoP is actually from adlc

[pastel timber]

PoP was a dlc addition theres still hope

[fallow spindle]

grimm troupe dlc

[twilit current]

Path of Pain B side

[scenic stirrup]

The "new" PoP in silksong was kinda ok

[pastel timber]

which one

[twilit current]

More like path of mild inconvenience tbh

[scenic stirrup]

The mushroom one

[pastel timber]

surface?

[scenic stirrup]

Ye

Overdose helped a lot too

[twilit current]

I swapped to wanderers crest for that one and did it pretty easily

I could probably do it with hunters crest, but I'm bad at the floaty enemy part

[fallow spindle]

path of pain lite

[ember river]

Surface was easier than even WP

[pastel timber]

wanderers is so good cause you can scale spike walls like in the first game so you can skip most of cogwork core easily

[ember river]

PoP is absolutely insane

[fallow spindle]

wanderer is for wandering anyways

[scenic stirrup]

I tried healing in air in og hollow knight im so cooked

[twilit current]

I found white palace very frustrating, but PoP very fun

[fallow spindle]

wait until silksong adds a path of pain that forces you to use all 6 crests

[ebon silo]

nawh dont

[pastel timber]

i keep trying to open floaty cloak </3

[ember river]

My favorite crest for platforming is Reaper's

[ebon silo]

nawhh i can already see that imagination

[ember river]

The pogo is very generous

[twilit current]

Honestly that would be cool

[fallow spindle]

especially the beast crest

[twilit current]

I think something that really took advantage of Hunter's diagonal pogo would be neat

[ember river]

Sadly most crests don't offer that many unique movements for platforming

[twilit current]

Beast crest parkour

[scenic stirrup]

Do PoP lite with beast crest

[fallow spindle]

⚗️

[twilit current]

Well, can't do much because it's sideways and the clawline makes sideways movement too powerful

[pastel timber]

no cdash though

[scenic stirrup]

Clawlining spikes is really fun

[edgy barn]

I think I am the only person who found White Palace easier than both Border Caves and Mount Fay lol.

[fallow spindle]

would an act 4 be possible

[twilit current]

An epilogue is possible, but I think it's unlikely team cherry does one

[pastel timber]

team cherry can do anything they set their mind to, but would they do an act 4? i doubt it

[twilit current]

I've seen an epilogue like this done in two other games and I liked it in both cases

[fallow spindle]

maybe a encore

[mint furnace]

Dating simulator

[ember musk]

have you guys thought about how the places where you bind new skills have dialogue saying "daughter of a distant land" how could the past weavers there know there was a daughter that would eventually come to pharloom? i assume those were formed before/by the time the weavers left pharloom

[twilit current]

Crosscode and The Talos Principle 2

[scenic stirrup]

Also noticed playing the og game the knight has really weird hit box

[pastel timber]

all the weavers that were still in pharloom decided to die, so any silk-bearer would have to be of a distant land

[mint furnace]

An epilogue would actually have to take away most combat because no one would be haunted anymore

[scenic stirrup]

U cant even graze a spike without instantly dying

[ember river]

I don't think they're truly dead

[mint furnace]

So it would be mostly cutscenes or mini games

[fallow spindle]

i wonder if silksong is the last game

the to be continued thing from passing of the age confuses me

[pastel timber]

i hope not, they like making the games and we like playing them

[ember river]

So they were waiting for her long, not Hornet in particular, but someone able to put an end to GMS's rule

[mint furnace]

There seems to be a “real recognizes real” between powerful beings in the hk verse

[fallow spindle]

they dont seem to have a problem continuing the story

[ember musk]

but why "daughter of a distant land"

[mint furnace]

People just kinda know

[scenic stirrup]

The next team cherry game i will be 30 years old fr

[mint furnace]

Like Hornet instantly recognizes the snail shamans

[ember musk]

i think this makes sense

[ember river]

Many weavers left, it's fair to assume their saviour wouldn't come from Pharloom

[fallow spindle]

i will retire from a j*b by then

[ember river]

Maybe they recognize Herrah within Hornet and know she's from a distant land as well

[ember musk]

sure but why another weaver?

[pastel timber]

cause only the weavers have the power of silk that they need to bind the other weavers powers

[ember river]

Not everyone can bind skills

[noble magnet]

anyone else see bilewater as kind of like an inversion of soul sanctum in a way

[scenic stirrup]

Hopefully ill still have the reflexes to beat absolute shade lord radiance silk

[mint furnace]

Where the hell so you live that you can retire at 30

[noble magnet]

like, thematically

[ember river]

And many less beings can switch their crests

[scenic stirrup]

By then

[lapis geode]

The only thing I ashamed of is that
Silksong is literally announced when I prepare to get to college.
And I played it and the end of my semester.

So maybe, if there is a 3rd game, it will appear when I gave birth

[pastel timber]

i more saw whiteward as the parallel to sanctum

[ember river]

Whiteward is the sanctum-esque area IMO

[pastel timber]

keep us posted

[lapis geode]

LOlLLL

[noble magnet]

yeah i get that but like, i see bilewater as like the reverse

[mint furnace]

There’s was a brief period where silksong could have released as my area was recovering from a massive hurricane

[fallow spindle]

i was going with the next game taking half. acentury

[mint furnace]

Thanks for the delay team cherry you the goat

[edgy barn]

How shameful of them to not trust in the 0,001℅ chance that Widow would have a change of heart, free First Sinner and team up with her to beat GMS.

[light saddle]

Honestly, I enjoy it more than the sanctum :0

[scenic stirrup]

The knight is extremely powerful right even before becoming shade lord since its parents are cracked higher beings

[mint furnace]

Pale king got too caught up in the whole “containment” plan

[ember river]

I'm not sure if First Sinner can even be freed, she seems to be locked forever in a similar state as the weavers along the way

[lapis geode]

So you mean, whe we fight Hornet,
our attack deals 2 masks? DAMN

[twilit current]

Agreed, Whiteward's atmosphere is immaculate

[mint furnace]

Just train 1000 vessels and send them on radiance

What she gonna do? There’s not enough light beams to hit them all

[fallow spindle]

i love high halls

[pastel timber]

the knight can beat the shit out of absrad with 4 bindings tied behind its back its like the strongest thing that has ever existed by a mile and a half

[ember river]

Keep making children until the Radiance gets tired or one of them wins

[pastel timber]

this is literally the dream no more ending

[light saddle]

Ehh. Not really. Consider how many vessels died in the abyss from spikes and tendrils. They have some natural resilience, sure, but still nothing compared to their parents

[twilit current]

Well, we'll eventually get absolute GMS or something in silksong, maybe

[mint furnace]

I know, but instead of 1000 dead children imagine 1000 “pure” vessels

Not pure but that’s irrelevant at that point

[noble magnet]

Soul Sanctum was a place where a bunch of people got murdered and deformed and you fight the perpetrators, meanwhile Bilewater is a place that was completely ruined by the citadel's wastefulness and you fight the victims, and the connecting line is the similarities between soul master and groal. It's like grandiose horror vs pure tragedy

[scenic stirrup]

I think they only died bc the void was basically killing them

[light saddle]

From what I recall, TK’s strength in particular is linked to their traveling of the wastes

[ember river]

We don't really know how Higher Beings reproducing works

[fallow spindle]

imagine if the pale king DIPLOMATICALLY solved the infection

[noble magnet]

soul master might have wanted to save people from the infection but groal was motivated by pure spite

[pastel timber]

i see where youre coming from

[ember river]

Or how vulnerable they are when young

[mint furnace]

It’s implied radiance could not be reasoned with, she was really mad

[twilit current]

Yeah I can see that

[mint furnace]

Quantity is a quality all of its own

[fallow spindle]

i know it would be really funny though

[light saddle]

Indeed. And even if we did, the void still muddies things since it carved them out

[ebon silo]

they are produced via the sketchbook from team cherrys office

[ember river]

I wonder if something like the infection can be done by every higher being

[mint furnace]

Sex

[scenic stirrup]

My theory is that we'll get a lost grand mother silk fight in a dlc

[light saddle]

I suppose

[pastel timber]

air gibson births them through parthenogenesis

[mint furnace]

Like normal

[ember river]

GMS is able to do something similar, could the Pale King or White Lady enact an infection of their own?

[fallow spindle]

how does. a tree get pregnant

[noble magnet]

its me actually, i give birth to every single higher being

[ember river]

Yeah, but if their children are inherently higher beings, have the possibility to ascend, or what

[pastel timber]

"wyrms pull bugs into their thrall" probably

[noble magnet]

thats gross actually i take that joke back

[pastel timber]

oh my god.. the highest being

[mint furnace]

You see, when a tree and king love eachother very much

[scenic stirrup]

Also a knight boss fight would be nice but hornet should treat it like a friendly spar like with shakra

[mint furnace]

I think it’s Greek mythos logic

[ebon silo]

for the pale king he already has a sort of infection if you go to kingdoms edge its all snowy and thats because of his former shell still blowing out whatever it is so hes type of infection is a weather condition

[ember river]

I know you think that

[mint furnace]

Born of 2 gods? God
Born of 1 god 1 mortal? Demi god

[pastel timber]

press V during the SotV cutscene and it will challenge the shade lord to a duel (you die immediately due to being surrounded by void)

[fallow spindle]

the knight has to hold back though since we wouldn't be able to win

[light saddle]

From what it seems, the children aren’t HBs themselves, but have the possibility to ascend.

[ember river]

The vessels were born from two gods and were still super duper vulnerable after birth

[mint furnace]

Though weavers are also sort of higher beings so Hornet is just a weird case overall

[fallow spindle]

well maybe with the everbloom

but thats goje

[twilit current]

I think a friendly sparring match is the most likely way we get Hornet fighting the shade lord in silksong

[ember river]

Weavers aren't higher beings nor anything close

[mint furnace]

Well being a god doesn’t mean you aren’t gonna die

[noble magnet]

that would be cool

[mint furnace]

They’re also like 2 minutes old I don’t blame the vessels

[ebon silo]

cough cough radiance

[ember river]

They are strong, they are powerful, they are long lived, but they are still normal bugs that can be bested and killed

[noble magnet]

makes me wonder how a knight fight would even play out, theyre very small and not very mobile

[ember river]

Gods in Hollow Knight are almost immortal even in fights

[mint furnace]

Yeah, we kill 2 gods in game

[twilit current]

Iframe abuse and spell spam lol

[light saddle]

Higher Beings are described as beings “above all else.” That sort of thing entails a lot of power

[modest coyote]

To a big extent the “gods” of hollowknight are just pharaohs

[ember river]

All proper deaths came from the void

[fallow spindle]

instead of a spar that allows you to win maybe its more like a survival

how long hornet can last the knight

[modest coyote]

Not all of them mind you

[pastel timber]

pharoahs that can actually back up the "im actually the incarnation of a god" claim

[mint furnace]

Indeed

[twilit current]

That could be cool, platforming puzzle disguised as a boss fight

[mint furnace]

Void seems to be a murder button for gods

[ember river]

It just keeps spamming spells and shadow dashing through your attacks

[mint furnace]

Maybe you can choose how much power you give to your children

[modest coyote]

True but what. I mean is non invincible beings who have created or given enlightenment to some beings through control or manifestation of some force or elements

[light saddle]

Not even the gods can stand against the murder-goo

[mint furnace]

Because pk and wl make THOUSANDS of children

[noble magnet]

yeah but at some level lace can just wear that shit on her and become Majin Lace

[mint furnace]

And they’re all pretty low level gods

[ember river]

Void is the ultimate power, Hornet calls it "the void that will claim everything"
It's essentially physical entropy

[ebon silo]

it also solves the biggest debate whether the knight was a spellcaster freak or a chad nail master

[terse wadi]

Most if not all HB have negligible senescence

[modest coyote]

Basically every “god” in hollowknight either fits this or their ancestor does

[ember river]

Senescence?

[modest coyote]

Aging

[light saddle]

Do you mean that they chose to make their kids really weak?

[pastel timber]

how right is she though is the real question, void can sustain life within itself, like the shades, or whatever the tendrils are, how much about void do we know to be true

[mint furnace]

Well, maybe it takes a lot of power to make strong children

[ember river]

Ah, I don't mean about not dying from old age, I mean that they don't seem to be normally killable by physical means unless you bring up the Void

[mint furnace]

So they just split it across thousands

[modest coyote]

I don’t think this is the case

[terse wadi]

The act of aging

[ebon silo]

hmmm i wonder who is the god behind lifeblood

[modest coyote]

I think most higher beings can be killed using magic

[mint furnace]

Can’t believe team cherry would nerf giving birth in the HK universe

[twilit current]

Crazy how wormways got taken over by lifeblood in act 3

[pastel timber]

lots of creatures have shit tons of kids because most of them die off, and of the ones that survive they grow very strong very fast, which is kinda what we see with the vessels

[mint furnace]

Where’s the timeline where all vessels have the power of pale king

[terse wadi]

negligible senescence means it isn't affected by the effects of degenerative deterioration of cells

[pastel timber]

assuming there even is one, it could just be a substance like void that simply exists in the world

[ebon silo]

lets just assume the gods in HK are lobsters they dont age soo

[noble magnet]

hyperbolic time chamber

[terse wadi]

They can't die of old age essientially

[noble magnet]

bruh i need to go back and 100% the game i missed so much shit 😭

[ember river]

What makes you think that?

Also, "magic" is a pretty broad term

[terse wadi]

They are basically lobsters without the lobster physical traits

[noble magnet]

i got 82% but never found wisp thicket

and i never set foot in verdania

[mint furnace]

I think it’s void that kills everything

[twilit current]

Oh you're in for a treat in Verdania

[light saddle]

There is what appears to be some kind of creature associated with it. They appear in Godhome, but go completely unnoticed by Godseeker.

[twilit current]

It's probably my favourite region in silksong

[noble magnet]

i know verdania is where bug yaoi quest line ends

[twilit current]

Choral Chambers is a close second

[pastel timber]

the lifeblood beast is a good question, god knows what that thing is

[noble magnet]

choral chambers fucks

[mint furnace]

I hate to bring up Greek mythology for the third time but it seems no matter what they can’t really die to normal means

[ember river]

Yeah, I also think they can only be killed by Void, or very specific weaknesses

[mint furnace]

But void obliterates them

[twilit current]

Team cherry really cooked with the silksong regions

[noble magnet]

wonder what the shades even get up to in the void

[gusty vapor]

Hey random aside, but I just learned the pinstresses are from bilewater

[noble magnet]

do they just float around doin nothing all day

[ember river]

Like Radiance being essentially dead if completely forgotten

[noble magnet]

tag 50000 blokes who do fuck all

[pastel timber]

"void killed the pale king" theories skyrocket

[twilit current]

Wait what?

[gusty vapor]

Rly liking bilewater the more I learn and the less I play of it

[pastel timber]

they play poker

[mint furnace]

I think it’s borderline confirmed no?

[ebon silo]

how did that old man die anyway

[gusty vapor]

They have stillkin models

[mint furnace]

Nothing else there could have gotten to him

Besides maybe suicide

[gusty vapor]

In fact 3rd sister died in bilewater

[pastel timber]

there was a lot of talk earlier about grief consuming him or suicide

[ebon silo]

unless he just didnt eat this morning and died of malnourishment

[pastel timber]

i reckon the void poisoned him slowly over time due to exposure though

[gusty vapor]

Also canonically seamstress kicked the shit out of 4th chorus

[pastel timber]

hornet says to the barkeep in halfway home that her wyrm half means she very rarely has to eat

[light saddle]

The discourse around it before SS dismissed the idea of PK dying to void because his pale glow should have been enough to pacify it, much like the light house does.

[ebon silo]

would be funny if the entire time during his expedition on stopping the infection he forgot to eat for like years and one day he just dies and it happens to be him sitting i nthe throne

[gusty vapor]

If you look at 4th chorus' model buried in rubble theres a pin in its neck

[noble magnet]

putrified ducts technically

[gusty vapor]

Ohh good point

[noble magnet]

he probably knew that was gonna happen and just sorta let it

[mint furnace]

“Pale light can pacify void”

The humble snail pipe bomb:

[gusty vapor]

Its just rly cool, I cant believe I missed it

I actually missed 3rd sister because I assumed she was just a stillkin

[noble magnet]

bro just turned it off and died

[pastel timber]

same here, its awesome

[light saddle]

Honestly what I was thinking

[gusty vapor]

To be boring another theory is he just died from grief

[pastel timber]

little off switch on the inside of his crown

[ebon silo]

and like basically his body just realized wait i didnt ate for like years and he just dies right there hell would be nice if he died just 20 seconds away from seeing the knight

[noble magnet]

bruh

[gusty vapor]

Also rly fun touch how seamstress shitkicked 4th chorus, her kit would excel vs that

[light saddle]

I mean, we’ve seen with the lighthouse keepers that void can trick you into turning off that defense. Don’t know if that was necessarily the case for PK, but it’s worth mentioning

[mint furnace]

He’s playing dead, doesn’t wanna talk to his kid

[gusty vapor]

If she was anything like her sister

[ebon silo]

realistic scenario

[noble magnet]

he shed his form again and now hes even tinier than before

[pastel timber]

the void wreaked havoc on his mental state to the point he let it infect and kill him

[lone folio]

and then he falls by the knights nail and gets a concussion

[ebon silo]

and we accidentally crushed him

[vivid kernel]

id like to believe he killed himself from guilt

[lone folio]

poor guy

[gusty vapor]

I gotta ask, dream nail or needolin for yall

[vivid kernel]

dream nail cuz it can read minds

[ebon silo]

needolin because i can play an instrument

[ember river]

I thought about that and it's a funny theory

[light saddle]

But then again, we don’t see any void streaks from his eyes, do we?

[pastel timber]

if the hk enemies got the unique variety in dream dialogue that the needolin has i'd say that, but so much more care went into the needolin

[gusty vapor]

I feel torn cuz dream nail is way more practical but needolin has cooler enemy interacrions

[lone folio]

he probably has paralysis from the neck down now

[ember river]

Imagine if he kingsoul didn't actually open the birthplace and it was just the Pale King whispering spells

[gusty vapor]

Even bosses can be stunned by needolin

[ember river]

As a minuscule worm

[gusty vapor]

Phantom has a pretty singing voice if you needolin her

[edgy barn]

Ngl I think the idea of PK losing the will to live after everything that happened would be more interesting that just "Death by Void"

[pastel timber]

nor do we see them from the vessels, which have PKs shell, maybe its to do with his unique eyes that are stylised different to every other bug in the art of the game

[lone folio]

he just turned fully 2d and he has been staring at you the entire game

[ebon silo]

why do we need to open the door why dont we just blow it up with like dynamite or something like ask dung defender to dig a hole or something

[gusty vapor]

He raised a lotta kids, raised one kid empty, felt paternal love for it, then sacrificed it for a kingdom that'd die regardless - he had lotsa grief to justify it

[twilit current]

I really love how the sentient NPCs sing to the needolin

Sherma starts singing his song too and it's so cute

[gusty vapor]

Also areas and memories, like how it reveals styx the simp is a face changer

[ebon silo]

do you guys ever think that the HK abyss was just a lake of void and had parkour platforms and as time went on the skeletons piled we eventually see the modern day version

[lone folio]

and the non sentient, third second and first chorus also sing along

[ember river]

Mr Mushroom is a wonderful singer

[gusty vapor]

He has a hidden room full of masks

[light saddle]

Vessels are pretty unique in the way they were made though — plus they’re technically still “alive.”

[twilit current]

Best band, Mr Mushroom, Giant Bird and Hornet

[ember river]

WAIT WHAT, the chorus robots sing too?

[lone folio]

mhm

[gusty vapor]

And theres an npc similar to him but is actually badass

[lone folio]

its so hype

[ebon silo]

you never used the needolin on everything?

[gusty vapor]

What chorus robots

[twilit current]

Also that part with the cogwork melody is so cool

[ember river]

There's too many things

[ebon silo]

excuses

[pastel timber]

near the twelfth architect

[twilit current]

I was expecting something like that to happen, but it was still cool when it happened

[gusty vapor]

Try needolin vs beastfly, you get ||2 mask contact damage||

[twilit current]

The needolin dialogue on the moss grotto enemies is so cute

[gusty vapor]

Try needolin in whiteward for nightmare fuel

[ember river]

What if beastflies liked the needolin so much that they left the arena and came back next time with their entire tribe

[ember river]

I didn't find it that creepy

[gusty vapor]

You find out that dying bugs are turned into fucking lanterns

[ember river]

Yeah, you find that from the choral commandment

[twilit current]

Also, what's the point of the loud needolin charm

[lone folio]

pretty sure thats the automaton and the lumaflies singing together. "we all together" could reffer to the hundreds of lumaflies that are in the chorus

[gusty vapor]

Nah those lumaflies are sentient

[twilit current]

Just a larger needolin range?

[lone folio]

and the automaton translates their song into words in some way

[gusty vapor]

Stronger, iirc makes boss needolin less risky

[ebon silo]

It's genuinely tragic we lost this

[gusty vapor]

You can also bully lace with the needolin

[gusty vapor]

Wtf thats so cool

[ember river]

The "silkflies", to call them something, are kinda like ghosts

[pastel timber]

lumaflies being souls explains the longest standing lore question in hollow knight: how the hell can they survive years inside glass spheres with no food or air

[ember river]

Great atwork of a great character

[twilit current]

After her making me suffer in Lace 2 and Lost Lace, she deserves it

[lone folio]

honestly i will just start calling them lumamoths

[ember river]

I love the architects and I wish their lore was more definite

[twilit current]

Lol jk, but seriously though, after Lace 2 I tried playing the needolin and nothing happened

[ember river]

Like, were they created, was there an organic architect at some point?

[gusty vapor]

Theyre also sentient, the lumaflies talk about being remembered and the pain

[ebon silo]

not my art its from uhhh guy called @ meweyFox

[ember river]

Were they organic and became machines?

[gusty vapor]

Also lugoli is an actual cannibal

He pickles sentient bugs in jars

[pastel timber]

is that why theyre disgraced

[gusty vapor]

Yeah, culinary crimes

[ember river]

He's also an excellent chef

[gusty vapor]

In fact if you return to the boss arena his grunts are chopping up his body

[lone folio]

or silkflies or silkmoths, they probably have something to do with silk

[twilit current]

That and the 3 million health violations his kitchen committed

[lone folio]

one of them broke the seal on hornets cage

[pastel timber]

this is what they wouldve wanted

[ebon silo]

has anyone figured out what character eric barone aka creator of stardew valley voiced or did team cherry fucked around and added his name in the credits

[gusty vapor]

Im ngl until I got hit I assumed lugoli was chucking cabbages at me

[lone folio]

ey they were atleast doing something about the muckmaggots

not much since there is way too many but its something

[gusty vapor]

Oh theres actual lore to that

Muckmaggots grow into muckroaches

[edgy barn]

Wait that's what they are chopping?

[lone folio]

yes i know

[pastel timber]

wait really??

[lone folio]

then they turn into the bloatroaches

[edgy barn]

Yeah

[gusty vapor]

Yeah, its a fish tank

[lone folio]

they have an inbetween version actually

[gusty vapor]

Theres a lot of thought put into a miniboss best known for clapping us with his own ass

[pastel timber]

oh is that what those grub fish things are

[ember river]

Does anyone have a picture of the Architect Chapel secret room?

[lone folio]

mhm

[edgy barn]

Bloatroaches are said to be an offshoot, not exact same species

[pastel timber]

thats awesome

[lone folio]

are they?

[gusty vapor]

Lugoli has a secret room full of pickled bugs

[pastel timber]

ass jim...

[ember river]

They are said to be mutated

[twilit current]

People really hate that boss but I thought he was fine

[gusty vapor]

The secret sauce was sentient bug essence

[twilit current]

To be fair, I did get the wreath of purity from putrified ducts first

[lone folio]

ah they are

[gusty vapor]

From 3rd sister

[edgy barn]

That's what the journal says

[gusty vapor]

Also styx is a fake bug

[edgy barn]

Muckmaggots grow into Slubberlugs which grow into Muckroaches, and then Bloatraches exist off to the syde

[gusty vapor]

Which is rly fucking cool to have pointed out

[lone folio]

i love how we get to see some of the larval versions of the actual bugs

[gusty vapor]

Theres an actual bug of his kind in the ducts, and even hornet doesnt wanna fuck with her

[lone folio]

like the judges and muckroaches both have larvea

[pastel timber]

i never realised those things were baby judges its so cool

[twilit current]

I felt so bad slaughtering the judge larva lol

[lone folio]

how so?

[gusty vapor]

Rather he wears a lot of masks to pose as other bugs

He has a secret room full of masks up top, with silk soar

[ember river]

You mean Huntress?

[lone folio]

lil dudes

[gusty vapor]

Yeah huntress is one of the few npcs hornet would rather not fight if it came to it

[pastel timber]

i dont think hes posing as other bugs, i think hes choosing who he wants to be, given his dialogue and some of mask makers about how swapping your mask swaps your entire self

[lone folio]

squirrms made me like the judges by about 700%

[gusty vapor]

Yeah, also he dies on steel soul lmao

[twilit current]

Crazy how you literally lure out the little guys with your needolin

[gusty vapor]

They reminded me of armor mimics

[ebon silo]

yknow in steel mode if you go to him hes "Dead" but further to the right you find him again and how would you know its him? if you i thin flip his mask and then compare it

[pastel timber]

is he not the guy who eats the silkeaters, is that him with a different mask on

[gusty vapor]

We watchdd the same vid lmao

[pastel timber]

yeah!

[ebon silo]

good for him for being strong

[gusty vapor]

I think its a different bug with the same mask

If he wanted to be someone different why not change the mask, he changed his demeanor

[ebon silo]

hes the same guy he just flip the mask

[gusty vapor]

Its odd for a face changer to take the clark kent approach of impersonation

[lone folio]

i would love to know how the last judge grew so big, maybe it got a bunch of silk injected into itself

[ebon silo]

so many bugs having personality disorders thats crazy we need therapists or sum

[pastel timber]

maybe its just really old

[gusty vapor]

||Diarrhea||

[lone folio]

maybe

[gusty vapor]

First thing it says

[lone folio]

i mean yeah its really old

[twilit current]

All bugs in pharloom grow into their gigantic versions if given time to grow old or something I guess

[pastel timber]

sickness is a sin the judge would have to kill itself

[subtle granite]

Di-Ah-Re-Ah

[ebon silo]

Y'know what were your reaction guys to when you fought this

[edgy barn]

For many of the larger forms the explanation the journal gives is that they are old and ate a lot

[twilit current]

Or they genetically modified a squirm to become big like the ones in memorium

[gusty vapor]

Whys the lore so detailed for a boss swinging his cheeks at us

[lone folio]

and the big moss grubs are just bred to be like that

[edgy barn]

So I suppose the same applies to Last Judge

[ebon silo]

criminal btw

[gusty vapor]

Lugoli has some crazy detailed lore for a fucking grocery list entry

Actual cannibal pickling sentient bugs

[ebon silo]

yknow he has preserved jars of bugs

[twilit current]

I don't know why I like the giant versions of bugs so much, they're literally the same bug but big, but I find them cool

[gusty vapor]

All I remember is he threw cabbage at me between clapping me with his cheeks

[pastel timber]

agreed

[twilit current]

Hornet does like giant fluffy bugs too

[edgy barn]

Same tbh

[gusty vapor]

Hornet hates spiky and stinky bugs

[twilit current]

It's funny how the giant flea does the exact same 2 masks of damage as the tiny one with the slash attacks despite looking way more threatening

[ebon silo]

i think everyone does unless she was a masochist and asmongold

[twilit current]

I intentionally got hit by it to see if Team Cherry made it 3 masks just for the lols, nope 2 damage

[ebon silo]

wait i wonder what the pantheon will be

like who would be the final bos?

lost lace easy but like yknow cutscenes

[pastel timber]

absolute mother silk

[twilit current]

Maybe a dual Lace and Phantom fight

That could be cool

[pastel timber]

the better question is would team cherry follow the same godhome formula or go for something new

[gusty vapor]

There is 1 enemy mob that can do 3 masks lmao

[twilit current]

I'd love if they went for something new

[gusty vapor]

He's in fucking greymoor

[twilit current]

Which one is it

[ebon silo]

oh dont fuck with me imagine before the final boss you have to go through a gauntlet...full of weavers and you see prime mother silk 😭

[ember river]

Wait what

[pastel timber]

its just the deepnest weaver enemies from hollowknight

[gusty vapor]

Scissor enemy has a grab combo, but its so close range if he starts early it ends with you taking contact damage

[ember river]

I thought only GMS and LL could

[twilit current]

First Sinner and Widow teamup

[gusty vapor]

Its only if you get caught very early

[twilit current]

Makes zero narrative sense but it could be fun

[gusty vapor]

But they are fucking annoying enemies

[ember river]

GMS, Widow and FS

[modest coyote]

LL and GMS do 3 damage attacks but they’re very telegraphed

[ebon silo]

nah it would be prime weavers those fuckers would probably have rune rage and pale nails or something

[modest coyote]

Hot take: enemies attacks doing 2 damage is fine given how much better heal is

[trim lark]

last judge does a single 3 damage attack and its also very telegraphed

[pastel timber]

i just wanna refight karmelita

[edgy barn]

They team up against a common foe but if one gets staggered the other will seize the opportunity to attack her.

[ember river]

Also, how would a boss rush treat that one unique Steel Soul boss?

[twilit current]

Clearly with the damage progression, we should expect team cherry to spam 3 damage everywhere in the next game

[pastel timber]

yeah you gotta go off the assumption that 2 damage is the default

[modest coyote]

Yes but only if we get a 5 mask heal at once

[pastel timber]

ignore it its boring as fuck 😭

[twilit current]

I don't think that's a hot take tbh

[ember river]

I haven't fought it so fair enough

[twilit current]

Double damage is much more threatening in HK due to how much more limited the heal is

[ebon silo]

pantheon but everyone deals 3 shells

[twilit current]

I heal way, way more often in silksong bossfights despite heals requiring 10 silk

[modest coyote]

Literally my only issue is some bosses have 2 contact damage when it seems odd; and bosses shouldn’t do damage while stunned unless they are physically falling on you

Like I don’t mind moorwing damaging me when he falls onto me

[ember river]

My issue with the stagger contact damage is that their hitbox sometimes extends too much horizontally

[modest coyote]

I do get annoyed if a boss continues to damage me even tho they’re stunned

[pastel timber]

didnt hk bosses also do contact damage when stunned

[ebon silo]

the sheer presence damages you - team cherry as they were questioned why they would get damaged even if the boss is stunned (they forgot to toggle it off)

[ember river]

Yes they do

[modest coyote]

So?

Neither Hk nor silksong are perfect

[twilit current]

Going back to HK to fight its hardest bosses confused me, because NKG and PV both deal 2 masks contact damage, and yet everyone loves them

Suddenly everyone hates 2 masks contact damage in Silksong

[modest coyote]

Again- neither of those bosses are perfect

[pastel timber]

i just always wondered cause i see that criticism a lot but ive never ever seen anyone say it before silksong

[ember river]

That was a thing since the first game, problem is some of the bosses in Silksong have substantial change of their hitboxes when staggered

[ebon silo]

noone hates the 2 shell CD the reason they actually hate is that its everywhere

[edgy barn]

People hate 2 contact damage in Silksong because of how common it is, not in an of itself

[modest coyote]

I will say bosses use repositioning a lot less for damage in silksong than in hollowknight (aside from savage beastly)

[twilit current]

Oh yeah, for sure

[pastel timber]

and thank god for that, most deadly attack in silksong was "boss walks into you"

[ebon silo]

i wonder if we eventually get to fight the knight

[twilit current]

Lost Lace's hidden attack is tping 1/3 of the arena in front of you

[modest coyote]

Ok but lost lace is also a very deterministic fight

[ember river]

Honestly I hated more the flying enemies who dodge your attacks or teleport after shooting than the 2 mask damage ones

[twilit current]

It feels like complete BS, because it kinda is, but learning it as an attack like everything else makes it completely fine

[modest coyote]

I also don’t think it’s bad design that LL does 2 contact damage given she’s literally void surface

[pastel timber]

act 3 was so funny they went "what if we took the enemies that only deal 1 damage and make them also deal 2"

[ember river]

LL dealing 2 masks is fine, she's the final boss

[twilit current]

I'm also fine with LL dealing 2 masks of contact damage, clearly her own body is meant to block you from time to time

[modest coyote]

Most of them are reasonable because you can hit projectiles back into them but some of them aren’t

[ember river]

But voided enemies for example are very annoying

[twilit current]

And she's small, it's fine

[ember river]

They get extra life+double damage+extra attacks

[modest coyote]

Just fast travel

[twilit current]

And all the enemies that did 2 damage suddenly feel like non threats lol

Act 3 is basically what the people complaining about double damage in silksong thought the game looked like lol

[edgy barn]

Fun fact: you can tell when an enemy is about to get voided because they get the additional health a fair bit before the animation plays. So an enemy that would usually die in one hit will survive it and then get voided.

[pastel timber]

TRUE

[pastel timber]

i did notice that its funny

[modest coyote]

im pretty sure destroying the void cores decreases how often enemies get voided in a region

[steady imp]

I personally dislike the flying things that attack you during the beast fly hunt

[modest coyote]

true

[steady imp]

Not primal aspid level but close

[modest coyote]

the worst are the stilkin

[pastel timber]

any room with a void mass will have all its enemies spawn in voided, any room without will have its enemies get voided during combat (with a few exceptions that are always voided)

[ember river]

There's only one enemy comparable in mechanics to the primal aspid and that's the putrified ducts mosquito

[ebon silo]

mangos = 6, mustard = 7 67 = 6+7 = 13 = alphabet count to 13 = M make it horizontal = sigma = put it back to vertical you get the first letter for massive

[ember river]

I'd say they are primal aspids but much worse

[modest coyote]

stilkin is even worse

[pastel timber]

YES

[edgy barn]

Some bosses also get voided in Act 3 if you didn't beat them beforehand

[modest coyote]

theyre only in 1 small area tho

[pastel timber]

lugoli and forebrothers are the two im aware of

[steady imp]

I forgot about that and will always try to get them caught in the ceiling grabber

[modest coyote]

also tbf we have a lot more stuff to deal with flying enemies

[twilit current]

Putrified ducts mosquito is fine, you can bait them to get eaten by the plants and you can manipulate their movement once you learn it

[modest coyote]

i just use tools for those teleporting enemies

[ember river]

And believe me, that's why people aren't complaining as much as they do about primal aspids

[twilit current]

It's pretty easy to bait them into a corner, then whack them a ton or get them eaten by the plants

[ebon silo]

pale nails or cogfly et

[modest coyote]

exactly

[ember river]

Still a pain in the ass though, but not as bad as those verdanian fucks

[modest coyote]

again i never had an issue with them teleporting

because i just used cogfly

[ember river]

Ranged flying enemies that teleport are the worst thing to fight

[twilit current]

I also found the Verdania enemies fine, they're relatively squishy and surprisingly not that fast

[modest coyote]

and pale nails

[pastel timber]

verdania was crazy i just ignored all the enemies

[ember river]

If I need to use the most powerful tool or skill to kill an enemy, that's saying something

[twilit current]

I thought they were crazy, then slowed down and watched them and realised they weren't that bad if you just let them come to you

[modest coyote]

these are end game zones

you only get to verdania is act 3

[pastel timber]

a lot of the solutions to combat is just patience

[modest coyote]

and putrified ducts probably mid or late act 2

[twilit current]

It's just using the exact same strategy on enemies as bosses, watch their movesets and take advantage of them

[steady imp]

I should have used silkskills more because I really did like cross stitch and the shard dart

[pastel timber]

every enemy is as complex as a boss and i think thats a good thing actually

[ember river]

Putrified ducts is optional for the true ending IIRC

[twilit current]

I found that the enemies in silksong are actually pretty exploitable that way because they almost always have some kind of opening you can exploit to kill them

[ember river]

I'd say most bosses are as simple as an enemy

[ebon silo]

verdania too

[modest coyote]

yeah but my ppoint is people complaining about mosquitoes requirng tools that are very good

[pastel timber]

well going based off of hk complexity levels

[ember river]

But that was also the case for HK

[twilit current]

I didn't use any tools on mosquitos, just whacked them with my needle or baited them into plants

[modest coyote]

me neither

i only used tools for verdania cause they actually teleport

[ember river]

I'm not saying they're hard or blocking me, I'm saying they were annoying

[twilit current]

Baiting them into plants is particularly satisfying, they do it entirely on their own if you're manipulating their movement

[ember river]

What would you say is the most annoying enemy if not them?

[modest coyote]

stilkin

[twilit current]

Bomb guy in deep docks and roach catcher

[ebon silo]

sometimes the PD mosquitos would dash next to me giving me the height and chance to pogo

[modest coyote]

100%%% stilkin lol

[ebon silo]

im stliking it

[modest coyote]

i hate they jump up and then back down so u cant kill them

[pastel timber]

stilkin are not that bad if you just keep running you get past them

[twilit current]

I genuinely still suck at fighting those roach catcher guys

[modest coyote]

and u cant reject their projectiles

[ebon silo]

muckroaches whattt?

[pastel timber]

they cant attack you if youre pogoing

[ember river]

Stiltkin can be ignored though

[twilit current]

I know you can just hit their projectiles, but I suck at that

[ember river]

Muckroaches or the roach catchers?

[modest coyote]

with the bomb deep docks guys, you can. hit the bomb back at them

[ember river]

Roach catchers are less annoying bell throwers IMO

[noble magnet]

Silksong enemies compared to Hollow Knight enemies are like Fiend Folio enemies vs vanilla isaac enemies

[modest coyote]

i hate enemies where i cant use theirr projectiles against them\

[twilit current]

Funnily enough I found bell throwers completely fine, the bell is much smaller than the spikes and easy to dodge

[modest coyote]

bewcause i feel it rewards the player to learn their patterns and such to use their weapons against them

i like dealing with the conch fly guys

[twilit current]

Yeah I don't get the hate for the conch fly guys, they're really not hard to dodge

[modest coyote]

theyre annoying at first but its rewarding to learn to hit their conches back at them

i always hit back projectiles into enemies when i can

[twilit current]

And I can count the number of times a conchfly trickshotted me from like 5 bounces on one hand

[modest coyote]

so my issue with enemies like stilkin is there is no counterplay like that

[twilit current]

And tbh, when a conchfly does that, it's pretty cool

[modest coyote]

i will say i cant even remember if there were enemies which u could hit projectiles back into them in hk

the annoying flying ones usually did radiance goo

[ember river]

You can also parry them

[twilit current]

This guy is the bane of my existence though

Thank goodness he appears in like 5 rooms

[modest coyote]

i think it is very unrewarding design when projectile enemies have non-punishable projectileds

because with onch fly i feel smart for hitting the projectile back at them

i am using my knowledge as a weapon

aspid, stilkin and other enemies of this variety

i learn the movement and pattern; but it is only useful for dodging

this feels a lot less rewarding

[twilit current]

I finally got a screenshot of comically large mite

I find it really funny that this guy's attack still deals 2 masks, the exact same as the tiny one

[modest coyote]

he only appears on this part in act 3 btw

i think

in act 2 he is in other locations but for act 3 to get hunters memento only that part

oh i also dislike tarmite

same issue as primal aspid

[twilit current]

Oh yeah that guy was pretty annoying

Not too bad though, pretty squishy and doesn't appear frequently

[modest coyote]

yeah hes not too ad just i dislike the design

[twilit current]

I should check out primal aspid in the original HK and see if they annoy me as much as before

[eager snow]

They're annoying mainly in the colosseum in my experience

[twilit current]

People call the big bird a primal aspid, but I found their projectiles easier to dodge since they move faster and they aim with the outermost pin instead of the middle one

[steady imp]

How do we feel about Karmelita

[twilit current]

I love that boss so much, so hard though

[eager snow]

My primal aspids are the lanky green things in putrified ducts

[ember river]

What I dislike about those guys is that they leave the tar on the floor for a while

[twilit current]

Lore wise she's insane, able to rival a demigod in her prime and uniting all the ants under her rule, and being an insane singer

[ember river]

Enjoyable bossfight, as dynamic as Grimm, and definetely harder

[twilit current]

And when she meet her she's dying of old age, that's one insane way to go out, be so strong that no one can take you on

[modest coyote]

ok yeah i checked through the enemy list and most of them have projecitles which are not too bad; just the few annoying ones we have just metnioned

[twilit current]

Just like Shakra said, being so strong into old age is a very honorable trait

[steady imp]

It is

[modest coyote]

very cool design, the lore is interesting cause shes probably not a higher being, although very powerful and queen of ants (similar to vespa i guess) very fun fight how it reverses ur instinct in dodhging + she uses beast crest pogo move

[twilit current]

I learnt how to pogo her attacks in my latest try of her and it's so satisfying

[ember river]

She's 100% not a higher being

[modest coyote]

i meant one of her attacks is literally the beast crest pogo

[ember river]

That term should not be thrown around as often as it is

[modest coyote]

ik ik

[twilit current]

Some day I'll try a playthrough with the beast crest

[modest coyote]

i think shes very much parralels vespa

[trim lark]

not a higher being but definitely one of the strongest in pharloom

[modest coyote]

its interesting tho cause nyleth might be a higher being

i mean like unn basically

[ember river]

Could be, both are hive-based bugs with queens at its rule

Both also grew larger over time

[wicked fossil]

It is interesting that Pharloom has less Higher Beings than Hallownest

[ember river]

And are seemingly really fast?

[wicked fossil]

Though I suppose not every kingdom can be as abundant in terms of having Higher Beings

[modest coyote]

is there an arguement that nyleth isnt a higher being given unn is?

[ember river]

Nyleth is, out of all NPCs in the game, the strongest contender for being one, though I'm not sure it can pass as such

[modest coyote]

they seem to have basically the same function in lore

[ember river]

That being said I don't know much about Nyleth lore

[lone folio]

no worms :(

[modest coyote]

shellwood unn basically

[twilit current]

I love how Unn's just chilling in greenpath

[modest coyote]

which higher beings are in pharloom?
GMS
maybe nyleth
... ?

[lone folio]

i guess that grand mother silk has similar powers to pale king?

[wicked fossil]

I have heard this criticism that I kinda get, that she could have been foreshadowed more like how we saw Kahn's corpse and Karmelita's statue in Act 1 + 2

[ember river]

Pale beings seem to have mastery over soul in one way or another

[lone folio]

oh is grandmother a pale one?

[ember river]

Especially if she's meant to be some higher being

[twilit current]

Yeah that would be cool

[lone folio]

well i should of had guessed

[ember river]

She's refered to as such many times

[lone folio]

shes white and called pale so much

[wicked fossil]

Mhm

[modest coyote]

am i missing any lol

[trim lark]

what if we had secret lore tablets in shellwood and they talked about their great mother or something

[modest coyote]

maybe groal is a higher being

[trim lark]

no way groal is higher being

[modest coyote]

trueee

[ember river]

Groal is the highest being

[wicked fossil]

Yeah that could have been neat

I also wish the Snail Shamans were more specific about Nyleth's location

[twilit current]

What do you mean, he's literally Groal the Great

[wicked fossil]

Considering they say it's in Shellwood but you don't get into it from Shellwood

[modest coyote]

anyways do we have any higher beings aside from gms and maybe nyleth?

[trim lark]

also the shamans refer to gms and hornets pale kin which i think is the largest confirmation

[lone folio]

Zango is a higher being

[ember river]

Ultimately I see Nyleth as some primordial plant that spawned all the others naturally than as an actual higher being, but that's mainly due to how little info we get on her

[modest coyote]

no he aint

[ebon silo]

Would be funny if there was a secret ending in which you didn't take lace and the void just fucking consumes you ending

[lone folio]

trust me

[trim lark]

hornet brainfart ending

[ember river]

Unn did create a charm in that moment, and was known to be calling the Mosskin through their dreams, as well as having created Greenpath and the Mosskin

[twilit current]

The ending where you miss the timing to super jump out of there and just get consumed by a giant void wave

[ember river]

Nyleth sorta came out of left field

[ebon silo]

And the ending is just the knight looking at hornets shattered skull

[twilit current]

Then the knight comes in and saves you anyway I guess idk

[lone folio]

she probably also created queens gardens

[ebon silo]

"was I too late?"

[trim lark]

i kinda wish we were able to find some sort of super large white flower which all the ambient shellwood petals rained down from and foreshadowed nyleth

[twilit current]

That's the hornet in my savefile

[ember river]

Queen's Gardens used to be part of Greenpath

That's why that tablet is there

[modest coyote]

team cherry do this ffs

get on the art direction board lol

[trim lark]

oh yeah what the fuck were choristors doing at the hallway towards nyleths shrine

[ebon silo]

Shellwood is itself nyleth

[modest coyote]

some lore reason i dont get

[trim lark]

yeah but i dont think anybody extrapolated that nyleth existed pre act 3

[lone folio]

choristor?

[trim lark]

you can see karmes statue and khanns uhh corpse??

[trim lark]

just the veiled guys in general
they died to seth but like wtf were they doing there

like they just dug a tunnel through the elevator shaft wall for shits and giggles

[ember river]

They were meant to worship her

[trim lark]

they do that?

[ember river]

I think it's mentioned that somewhere

That they were granted safe passage through Shellwood in exchange for worship

Or something like that

Again I don't know much about Nyleth lore and I'm going off memories here

[modest coyote]

hopefully they add some more stuff in future updates like they did in hk to clarify these things

[trim lark]

no idea if it exists but im taking yo word for it

also itd be kinda funny if it was 'go to my shrine for worship' and then stationed a guardian who folds anybody who gets within 10 meters of the shrine

[modest coyote]

i asumed it was a shrine in the sense of a grave

like maybe not literally a grave but my point is there are shrines which arent place sof worship

[trim lark]

i mean nyleth was still alive
kinda?
i mean their heart was intact idk about the rest of them

[modest coyote]

i thought nyleth was dead

[ember river]

Perhaps Seth only became hostile when the citadel bugs got Haunted?

[trim lark]

im not even sure what state of being khann was in before being disintergrated

[ember river]

I think that was stated somewhere as well

God damn I'll have to look up that dialogue again

[trim lark]

sounds possible

[ember river]

Seemingly alive, since his death is like that of a living Karak bug

[trim lark]

'seth the citadel bugs are wack as shit now dont let anybody near'

[modest coyote]

are there no white petal areas in shellwood?

[trim lark]

granted living karak army guys is a sample size of one

[ember river]

No, the ones in the memory

Those die in the same way

[trim lark]

dont they just explode into corpse pieces am i that blind

[ember river]

There are white petal flowers and white petal enemies that kinda ressemble nyleth

[modest coyote]

yeah

still i agree lore tablets would be useful

[ember river]

Those are the statues

[trim lark]

everytime khann or coral tower gets brought up i cant stop thinking about how the fuck watcher is alive

[modest coyote]

yeah no nyleth lore tablet right prior to act 3?

[trim lark]

their LEADER is crusted up and essentially a vegetable how the fuck was this guy kicking

[modest coyote]

i dont even try think about the lore implication

[vale plover]

After the game hornet lived happily ever after with her new wife lace in bellhart and they adopted sherma

[modest coyote]

given like the place used to be underwater

and yet hes guarding on the dry land

[trim lark]

like yeah its sanded over and they used to live in a wetter place it makes sense that most are crusted

HOW IS WATCHER ALIVE

[trim lark]

half related tidbit that the judges EVEN IN THEIR HAUNTED STATE still deemed sherma pure enough to not attack

[modest coyote]

my point is presumably hes a water adapted bug

but now is guarding in the dried up like nothing happened

[trim lark]

and hes arguably receiving the most damage

rest of the army are in their tower, sheltered from the outside but watcher is facing the whole ass sandstorm

[vale plover]

Nah Sherma passed through once hornet defeated the judges

And opened the door

[trim lark]

no you can literally talk to sherma and theyll say the judges are silent while he sang to them

[vale plover]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[vale plover]

Because they were dead

[coral wren]

I can't beat clover dancers because im hard

[trim lark]

no they were alive

let me get the specific line hol on

[vale plover]

No they were not

[rugged sigil]

listening to the whiteward audio on loop

[vale plover]

Hell yeah

[coral wren]

How did they make a bug so hot

[vale plover]

You can't be serious

[coral wren]

Green prince my beloved

[ebon silo]

yeah i think hes hella serious

[coral wren]

Not that bug

[ember river]

Fourth Chorus 🥵

[coral wren]

Him too

[trim lark]

"Aren't those solemn judge-bugs nice? They do not speak or sing, but I sense great wisdom behind their gleaming gazes!"
"Beware them, little one. Wise or not, their judgements are often followed by violence. Many of your fellow pilgrims have fallen to them on these great steps."
"Oh...? But even the fallen will sometimes stand again, and all pilgrimages will be completed, yes? That's how I've heard it!"

theres no way sherma climbed all the way up and didnt encounter a single haunted judge

[vale plover]

...

[coral wren]

I ship the hollow Knight and the green prince

[vale plover]

There's one last judge left

[dusty ore]

Oh my lordy lord

[trim lark]

gng the regular enemies there are called judges

[ember river]

He was too pure, even for the Haunted ones it was too sinful to punish that

[ebon silo]

https://tenor.com/view/electrocuted-spiderman-electric-electric-chair-sidwaj-gif-11251985251036031173

[vale plover]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-10371245960573455153

[dusty ore]

I ship zote and the green prince

[trim lark]

when they say last judge they literally mean the last one you encounter before the citadel

[dusty ore]

The grey prince and the green prince together forever

[trim lark]

too bad lumble wasnt pure enough

[vale plover]

Who said that

[trim lark]

the game????

[vale plover]

Where

[trim lark]

am i falling for ragebait 💔

[vale plover]

https://tenor.com/view/nanatsu-no-taizai-seven-deadly-sins-laughing-laugh-axe-gif-16710061

[radiant badger]

I swear to god this bird is some kind of higher being, it's talking to mr mushroom and i can't even hear its thoughts 😭

[vale plover]

Who said that?

[vale plover]

Jokes aside tho I don't see where it was stated that every bug in the citadel is a judge

[trim lark]

im talking about the blasted steps
not the citadel

[ember river]

I'd put it on the level of Bardoon

[trim lark]

i mean we get to talk them for a bit at the end

[slate rapids]

So like are the Godseekers tied to the Vaultkeepers somehow? Similar mask shapes and armor

[ember river]

Most likely not

[trim lark]

i would wager no

i think they look similar coincidentally

[vale plover]

There's only one judge in the blasted steps

The others are just some sort of guards

[slate rapids]

Wonder what the DLC will be like. They said it might get very ambitious.

Sharpe is still to be implemented

[ember river]

No, there are a ton of Judges, and a Last Judge that's the final watch

[trim lark]

THEYRE ALL JUDGES

[slate rapids]

Maybe the City of Steel is the DLC

[trim lark]

probably

[slate rapids]

Unless thats saved for a potential third game

[vale plover]

They're not holding any law book are they?

[trim lark]

hi we're making the city of steel dlc but its got too big so now it is a new game

[ebon silo]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[radiant badger]

Also how is it like snowing those little things in mount fay, it isn't snowing at the top of the map is it the sand from the top of the map? Probaly not because we see it rain sand down in blasted steps. Is it from the bird i cannot prove anything

[trim lark]

youre not a real skonger dont you know that those shields have laws engraved in them

[trim lark]

ive got no idea

[slate rapids]

Wouldnt surprise me if they go the Shadow of the Erdtree route and just has the DLC be like 50% the size of the base game

[radiant badger]

The dlc better be talking

[vale plover]

Zote is peeing at the top

[coral wren]

Maybe the mantis lords are green princes children

[trim lark]

there might be a comically large wyrm corpse up there but that doesnt make sense

[radiant badger]

I can believe that

[edgy barn]

Also, Mount Fay is actually cold

[trim lark]

that too

[vale plover]

It's hornet's aura

[slate rapids]

Its asbestos, hence the damage overtime

[ember river]

How can they have children if they're gay

[slate rapids]

Dont breathe it in

[ember river]

Also the mantis lords are older

[coral wren]

Maybe hornet is allergic to wyrm dust and it just looks like shes cold

[trim lark]

anti asbestos clothing

🥹

[twilit current]

50% of the already enormous game?

[coral wren]

By green princes husband getting him pregnant

[slate rapids]

Who knows

[twilit current]

I don't really see how a DLC could add 50% more content to silksong, but it would be cool if it happened

[vale plover]

Nah give us a new game 🥀

[trim lark]

i really really want my godhome dlc

[ember river]

And someone mentioned that the Green Princes were grasshoppers instead of mantises? I'm not sure of how true is that

[ember river]

Wait 50 years

[vale plover]

That is a must have tho

[ebon silo]

something something region needolin makes you play it and go into the memory of an entire region before the haunting

[twilit current]

Yes please, I really want to fight all the peak bosses in silksong again

[coral wren]

I think bugs in hollowknight only can reproduce with the same sex, and higher bugs are the only ones who can reproduce with the opposite sex

[quartz salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[vale plover]

To think we won't live enough to play every team cherry game...

[edgy barn]

Herrah

[coral wren]

Thats why theres so many gay bugs
Hornet and lace
Green prince
Quirrel and tiso

[ember river]

I will, I'm injecting silk into my bloodstream

[coral wren]

Pale king was a higher bug thats why he could do it with herrah

[ebon silo]

theres no way someone remade the gif

[vale plover]

Hell yeah

[ebon silo]

just put me in your will give me 20% of the assets

[edgy barn]

Silksong fans when they inject silk into their body and they die just like in whiteward:

[vale plover]

Just means the operation failed. We must test it with new people until it works

Like Deltarune fans

[ember river]

But I will become a cool architect robot

[radiant badger]

Love the detail that hornet doesen't need a lumafly lantern because she literly glows

[ember river]

Also I'm a dumbass and just now found the connection between Wisp Thicket and Underworks

I didn't explore that enough

[vale plover]

Oh she does?

[ember river]

Some of the ceiling breakable walls are too hard to notice

[vale plover]

Man hornet is so goated
She's got all the best genetics

[odd musk]

The knight glows a little too but not enough to light the way I guess

I assumed all pale being even in part glow a lil

[twilit current]

It's kinda funny because her hunter's journal is littered with notes and desires of wanting more natural tools and wings like other bugs lol

[vale plover]

Or she is not glowing but simply sees better in the night than the knight does

[trim lark]

wonder if they inititally planned to make wisp thicket a larger area

[vale plover]

Because spider

[odd musk]

[twilit current]

I really love how the hunter's journal is written by Hornet this time, it adds so much personality to her character

[vale plover]

A what??

[twilit current]

I completed the hunter's journal just to see all the entries

[edgy barn]

The Knight also glowed and they still needed one

[odd musk]

Her obsession with fluffy things healed something in me

[radiant badger]

Ngl i believe hornet glows like pale light and the knight doesen't to the same degree as hornet because of the void in them

[twilit current]

This is why Hornet canonically always travels with the fleas

[vale plover]

Yeah pale king really didn't gift her on that side lmao

Still goated tho

Lace is as immortal as hornet?

[edgy barn]

As long as she keeps eating silk, she should be

[shell jewel]

legit question does hornet miss her happy place?

[vale plover]

It lasted a week

[shell jewel]

wdym

[edgy barn]

Why is Hornet crying black tears? Is she Void?

[shell jewel]

WE ARE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN

[vale plover]

Only thing that made her place warm was herrah

Herrah wasn't with her for long and hornet was like 2

[edgy barn]

How would have you guys have reacted if a shade had appeared the first time you died in silksong?

[silent sphinx]

How about the reason for why Herrah's face is blurred, it makes thematic sense in that she was a baby, but it's not like she doesn't watch over Herrah's body in hollow knight

[vale plover]

After herrah "went to sleep into duty" most of hornet's life was training and royal stuff

[ember river]

I would have asked the knight why were they impersonating their sister

[vale plover]

"no way"
That would be all

[ember river]

By the way, which silkshot variant should I get?

[undone thicket]

I just silksung

[ember river]

I know the best one is the weaver one but the architect glock seems funny even though it's not that good

[shell jewel]

I WOULD TELEPORT TO MOSSBAG'S LOCATION AT THAT MOMENT, SLAP HIM ONCE, AND SLAP MYSELF 5 TIMES, THEN TELEPORT TO TEAM CHERRY HQ AND SLAP EVERY TEAM MEMBER 3 TIMES

AND THEN PROCEED TO SLAP MYSELF ANOTHER 5 TIMES

[trim lark]

the fuck
ill worry about that later

[odd musk]

That's my thinking too

[ivory forum]

Do we think theres a lore reason for why the knight doesnt have a crest/hornet doesnt use charms

Or is it gameplay purely

[ember river]

Charms aren't available in Pharloom perhaps

[edgy barn]

Hornet has no charm notches and the Knight can't Bind, thus can't optain crests.

[ebon silo]

surely the architects or sum master will be able to make those charms into tools

[trim lark]

maybe hornet can use charms but we just never find any

knight also cant do funny silk binding (or get forcibly implanted with one by greyroot) so no crest

[ebon silo]

im sure the knight could be binded by the greyroot thing

[trim lark]

yeah but is there a greyroot in hallownest
nope

[ivory forum]

I need to read EVAs dialogue

[edgy barn]

Greyroot doesn't mess with Void. They prevent Hornet from diving in Act 3

[ebon silo]

so many details in this game

[ember river]

@edgy barn quick, architect silkshot or weaver silkshot

I must make a choice

[edgy barn]

Weaver

[ember river]

Then I'll say farewell to 12th and buy the final item, and let her go

[vale plover]

When are we getting silksong knight mod

Like play with the knight in silksong

And the opposite

[ember river]

"I used the Knight to save the Knight"

[vale plover]

Huh

[ember river]

The ending

Would have the knight saving the knight

[vale plover]

In what configuration- ooo

Nah they would reanimate everything too lmao

[ember river]

They would also be speaking

[flint juniper]

67 im aind dude man

[radiant badger]

The old deepnest toll gate was actually there and the weavers made it. The people from deepnest got so fed up with paying it they decided to destroy it a patch later

There seems to be a repeated history of weavers making people pay for simple paths or benches

[torpid kayak]

Is Hera from the first game a weaver or is she some different kind?

[ember river]

Full weaver

[lethal burrow]

The Weavers helped (if not just entirely) make the seal of binding for what it's worth. I don't know if I actually did anything though.

[whole holly]

hey i have question, can i achieve multiple endings in one save file?

[ember river]

You can get all endings in one file if you plan ahead accordingly

You can, however, get locked from one or two if you rush it

[whole holly]

Can you elaborate on how?

[lethal burrow]

How much do you want in terms of elaboration?

[terse warren]

Pretty sure it's Hornet that doesn't want to dive because the parasite is not gonna allow her to be at her best, and she needs to be at her best

Wow holy shit discord why did you bring me so far up 😭

[lethal burrow]

Isn't it the parasite itself that reacts and stops it?

[whole holly]

i know enough to get cursed ending first before getting cured, but other than that, not much

[lethal burrow]

OK, there's that one and then there's a normal ending and then there's a special ending that you can do under certain conditions.

The cursed ending is pretty much the only tricky one you can lock yourself out of by accident and you'll know which one is the normal ending and which one is the special ones so don't worry about it

[muted rover]

Speaking about the parasite, was the parasite completely removed by Yarnaby? Or it wasn't completely removed/weakened enough for Hornet to claim its powers as her own?

[sinful nimbus]

Just learned Yarnaby has unique dialogue for the maggots

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway I think Hornet says something along the lines of the latter

[alpine talon]

You guys know how wyrms are supose to have an foreseight? What if the way hornet and knight respawn is that foresight wyrms have, they just see what happens and they get to try again from their last save point

[flint wadi]

it was weakened and battered

enough to not pester hornet or really be a threat

[muted rover]

so it's still inside Hornet?

[flint wadi]

in small part, yes

[whole holly]

Dormant parasite basically

[muted rover]

Then is it still possible that if Hornet is weakened enough, it can claim Hornet?

[flint wadi]

its implied that its not a threat at all

[lethal burrow]

then how did the cocoons and shades exist?

[muted rover]

Oh right, I mean the parasite didn't even react after Hornet became unconscious in the Void

Though maybe it's just conditional to be canon if Hornet even encountered the parasite and did the quest... unless 100% completion implies that its canon since you do need the witch crest to achieve 100% completion and memory lockets so that Eva can be binded

[woven mauve]

Not all 20 memory locket needed

[spare pendant]

this is an oddly common theory as of late

nothing in the game really hints towards it, or contradicts it

it's a plausible headcanon

[twin dragon]

"Staked to service"

Isn't that interesting

That and the widow needolin dialogue in the cradle

[ember river]

You can enter act 3 without getting WQ or Cursed Child

[twin dragon]

What about the shade or cocoon though

[lime nova]

I still think Sister Splinter is a Weaver

[ember river]

Why would you think that

[lime nova]

Okay, so

[ember river]

Those are tiny spiders, plus I doubt deaths are canon