sk-lore

[foggy fractal]

it looks similar with the whole beard thing

[lapis creek]

cause there's no way lace can actually just astral project

[ancient sinew]

No

[spark valve]

I don’t think so

[lapis creek]

especially since lace as hornet sees her no longer exists by the time of the second conversation

[terse wadi]

Hornet is schitzo

[subtle plaza]

maybe the void gives her astral projection powers idk

[ancient sinew]

In LHB’s case it was sort of just screaming at them to turn the light off

[foggy fractal]

I found an image of just them

[ancient sinew]

It’s weird dream shit probably

Stuff like this happens

[molten parcel]

lost lace was messing with hornet, thats why she laughs at the end

[edgy barn]

The gases from the exhaust organ haven't worn off yet.

[ancient sinew]

Lace obviously isn’t physically there

[terse wadi]

Rudamentary bong

[subtle plaza]

maybe lace is in a quantum superposition between being there and not being there

[terse wadi]

Shrodingers lace

[ancient sinew]

Maybe man with how act 3 is generally I’d beliehe it

[subtle plaza]

lol

[silk dirge]

thats what ive been saying about void this entire time

[spark valve]

Mist is in a weird spot but phantom can create projections of her will

[subtle plaza]

i wish this town area appeared in the final game 😔

[terse wadi]

Hopefully in a dlc

[ancient sinew]

Why doesn’t Phantom get high from huffing exhaust fumes all day every day

Does that not impact her ability to do her joh

[steady prawn]

it looks like its from the cut barnicle area

[subtle plaza]

maybe silk beings cant get high?

[spark valve]

She’s in the control room not at the end of the pipe

[terse wadi]

what's the point of living then/j

[lapis creek]

lace's dialogue amounts to "I am not me anymore" if it's actually lost lace causing the vision but i guess that makes sense in a way even if it's a contradiction

[silk dirge]

she probably has lung cancer

[subtle plaza]

nothing, thats why she wanted to die 😔

[ancient sinew]

She gets enveloped in exhaust fumes whenever she teleports during the fight that can’t be healthy

[lapis creek]

unless lost lace for some reason wants to create an accurate representation of previous lace, who is not her

[ancient sinew]

Actually how does she do that

[terse wadi]

Have you seen her

[silk dirge]

when phantom is in the control room of exhaust organ she doesnt die

but when i spend time in chernobyl reactor 4 control roo-AAAAAAAA

[terse wadi]

notthe picture of health

[ancient sinew]

Yeah but that’s not cos of the fumes

[molten parcel]

how much has passed since hk on ss

[subtle plaza]

i dont think the void fully consumes lace, i think it moreso empowers her for whatever reason

[terse wadi]

it's been 84 years

[molten parcel]

wait fr?

[ancient sinew]

The Void merges with Lace the same way it merges with the rest of GMS’ silk

[silk dirge]

(this is exaggerated for comedic effect the reactor 4 control room is like the one place of reactor 4 you could visit for a decent amount of time without getting radiation sickness)

[ancient sinew]

That interaction isn’t weird at all

[terse wadi]

No, it's a meme

[edgy barn]

Maybe there is no Lace. Maybe Hornet's mind created Lace as a result of the guilt she feels for killing vessels.

[ancient sinew]

Lace is a silk being and Void can also infect other shit

[sinful nimbus]

Behold the starpengu's cut of Silksong's map

[subtle plaza]

i think that is the moment where hornet becomes heisenhornet

[terse wadi]

agreeable

[silk dirge]

wheres bilewater

[ancient sinew]

pukebug island

[silk dirge]

get outta here stilkin hater

[spark valve]

Pharloom bay should be on the right

[ancient sinew]

can’t believe pukebut was void

[silk dirge]

pharloom bay is where zote boat

[sinful nimbus]

Hows it going to be aquatic if its not below coral highlands smh

[whole estuary]

is legiana an act 2 or 3 boss

[foggy fractal]

I swear to god I've seen these in game I just can't remember where

[sacred heath]

okay seriously what is Gurr’s damage

[terse wadi]

Hopefull pukebug makesa comeback

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[cosmic geyser]

So, I’m wondering: do you think the weavers set up citidel society

[lapis creek]

yes

[cosmic geyser]

Or did citidal society flourish in their absence

[sinful nimbus]

They set it up to trap GMS according to Mask Maker

[spark valve]

Somebody get the church and cage dialogue

[terse wadi]

act 6

[sinful nimbus]

"Devised by your ancestors that monstrosity, and their wicked, clever minds. A system, or a web they'd likely call it, a way to keep their mother sealed in slumber, and themselves free to lavish in their false rule."

[foggy fractal]

who said this again ? Mask Maker ?

[spark valve]

Yes

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[foggy fractal]

thank u

[silk dirge]

where was he during covid 19

[terse wadi]

doesn't this imply ensnared silk is a trap within a trap

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[foggy fractal]

Pharloom I'd assume

[terse wadi]

Trapception

[ancient sinew]

Ok guys question

[silk dirge]

would you take a whiteward covid vaccine

[foggy fractal]

HELL NAW

I am not getting silk injected into me !

[spark valve]

At one point I thought the arc around gms was a massive snare setter but it probably isn’t it’s just pipes for transmitting the music

[terse wadi]

do I become spiderman after?

[silk dirge]

see this channels so chill now why cant it be like this all the time

[ancient sinew]

So obviously Strung to Serve (cut ending) isn’t canon but if GMS hypothetically did manage to fuse with Hornet and transform into some sort of Wyrm-adjacent being how strong do you think she’d be relative to an actual Wyrm

[spark valve]

Probably weaker

[terse wadi]

Hornet is only half wyrm

[ancient sinew]

And does the existence of that ending imply Wyrms are intrinsically superior to beings like GMS

[silk dirge]

higher being racism wtf

[olive glen]

Why did they remove the abyss lmao?

[flint wadi]

whats pukebug land again

[ancient sinew]

But this is on top of GMS’ existing power

[sinful nimbus]

Lame lame lame

[olive glen]

[cosmic geyser]

I didn’t mean the building itself, I meant the choir and the architects

[silk dirge]

what did team cherry mean by making pale beings "special"

[ancient sinew]

GMS even at base is basically a pseudo wyrm with a bit of wyrm power it’s not hard to see her becoming wyrm adjacent

[flint wadi]

is it that one time shot of gloom

[cosmic geyser]

Was the threefold melody a weaver invention? Or the bugs of the choir

[flint wadi]

oh yeah that
i kinda thought that was part of the barnacle area

[terse wadi]

Can't speak for wyrms as a whole but Pale wyrm is probably the strongest HB in terms of raw power methinks, and several npcs even say he's holding back

[edgy barn]

"Are Pale Beings like the White Lady superior to non-Pale Higher Beings such as Unn?"

[olive glen]

Why so?

[cosmic geyser]

Idk if power levels are really applicable here

[sinful nimbus]

Since this bench has so much aura I think it should be kept and a telescope added to show the Citadel in all its glory

[silk dirge]

theyre racist against void /j

[sinful nimbus]

I'd rather we got a new story

[ancient sinew]

LoS is said to be stronger and I don’t remember any such dialogue

[edgy barn]

I mean yeah but that's by virtue of being, yk.

[opaque remnant]

Why does Hornet went down to the Abys? I dont understand her motivation

[flint wadi]

oh cmon :(

well im not delving into that, having aquatic reigons above the forests is kinda neat cause that would mean they get their water from above

[spark valve]

Pinstress bench sweeps

[terse wadi]

GS says it iirc might be dream nail dialogue

[ancient sinew]

I mean I do agree with you I think PK is probably the strongest HB not named LoS but it is a bit hard to compare them

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah that was what I was thinking

[ancient sinew]

She doesn’t say he’s holding back

[terse wadi]

and SL probably is but no way to compare

[flint wadi]

mt fay is a glacier from which water melts into the oceans below

[silk dirge]

pharloom bay better have harbor seals

[ancient sinew]

She talks about him reducing his physical size

[flint wadi]

heat heat heat

[silk dirge]

im trusting team cherry on this

[spark valve]

Same thing

[silk dirge]

i need harbor seals in pharloom bay

[terse wadi]

Oh sorry, "limit yourself so"

[spare pendant]

Bardoofly:

[silk dirge]

a harbor seal higher being perhaps

[proud swan]

Did you guys see the lorebrarians video? Some stuff I did not know

[ancient sinew]

But she’s talking about his size

Not his power

[lapis geode]

I'm not check it yet

[terse wadi]

Perhaps, not that it really matters he's dead af

[ancient sinew]

PK didn’t get weaker after transforming nothing would really imply he did

No from the context she is clearly talking about his size

Read the full quote

[terse wadi]

Never said that though?

[silk dirge]

ok but why would you give up being a dune sandworm

[terse wadi]

so true

[silk dirge]

wyrm form has so much more aura

[edgy barn]

He was dying

[silk dirge]

then dont die

[spare pendant]

To lower himself to the stature of his subjects

[terse wadi]

Maybe he really wanted to sit on a throne

[silk dirge]

simple as that

[terse wadi]

no he wasn't

[spare pendant]

he was at the end of his life cycle, but it's implied it was by choice

[ancient sinew]

It’s not really practical to rule a kingdom like that

[olive glen]

gulp

[silk dirge]

wdym having more aura makes it much more practical to rule a kingdom

[terse wadi]

Transformation rebirth is pretty normal for wyrms

[boreal veldt]

Yo so apparently moorwing was bred to catch fleeing dreg workers but after is masters died it now just feasts on unsuspecting pilgrims?

[terse wadi]

There's a very slim possiblity he did it again but he's probably dead

[ancient sinew]

Not at the end of his lifecycle wyrms have indefinite lifepans and probably transform whenever they feel like it’s suitable

[terse wadi]

I think so

[silk dirge]

tbf pale king does still have aura

but wyrm form is more aura

[ancient sinew]

PK has enough aura

[olive glen]

I guess the void's inclusion did feel a bit out off left feild but it's not like it's just copying HK over again, there is enough in all three acts to seperate it imo

[ancient sinew]

He literally speaks using Soul and glows so brightly you can’t maintain direct eye contact with the dude if that’s not aura farming idk what is

[silk dirge]

fair enough

[terse wadi]

I think he did it again in WP ngl, we see in WD cutscene his cloak parts showing his legs but it's just rags and a head in WP

Probably not but it's fun to throw out there

[silk dirge]

but he could be doing that while im wyrm form

[ancient sinew]

This would undermine his character and the main themes of the game

[timber shadow]

I wish there was bell beast textlines...
I loved talking to the last stag, even being old he still served

[ancient sinew]

And nothing implies Wyrms can transform multiple times

[sinful nimbus]

It'd be bad writing isn't a counterargument in the days of Silksong

[flint wadi]

i dont have greivences with void as much as i have them with how the citadel was turned into a deadhouse
act 2 going off against an entire soceity would be really cool

[foggy fractal]

hey guys

[terse wadi]

perhaps, but it falls in line with wyrms

[terse wadi]

Nothing implies they can't

[sacred heath]

steel city dlc trust

[edgy barn]

Maybe he gets smaller everytime he rebirths himself and the butterfly that frees hornet at the start is him

[foggy fractal]

oml peak

[flint wadi]

but you win some you lose some
silksong is the way it is now and im fine with it

[terse wadi]

Gorbrain move

[ancient sinew]

It makes more sense for them to go down with their kingdoms

[olive glen]

True...

[terse wadi]

idrc either way, I'm just throwing out the possibility

[sinful nimbus]

Its good yeah

[terse wadi]

It's boring to be rigid all the time especially with things not set in stone

[flint wadi]

either way we also have dlc on the way so

[silk dirge]

what if pale kings finally transformed into a seal on death

thatd be peak writing

[foggy fractal]

I can't imagine how Ari did all this in this timeframe

imagine doing all the assets yourself 😭 I'd die day 1

[terse wadi]

Sharpe hopefully

[flint wadi]

probably definitely

[sinful nimbus]

Ari is cracked

[silk dirge]

bro probably never even slept in his apartment

[terse wadi]

Wilbo might help, he's not a bad artist, he has done concept work

[quartz salmon]

Since it's a backer boss they have to

• wasn't there a backer "lion" village ? At some point

[silk dirge]

i need to know the type of shit hes on

[sacred heath]

starpengu on record saying “this is good” in reference to silksong
monumental occurrence

[sinful nimbus]

When I'm in a producing amazing wallpapers competition and my opponent is Hollow Knight Silksong

[terse wadi]

Yeah, I just meant it's in the first dlc probably

[silk dirge]

THEY REMOVED THE CURSOR LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/taeuvre-squidward-squidward-shocked-squidward-break-gif-26165410

[edgy barn]

I do wonder what was the original purpose of the diving bell

[terse wadi]

Top 10 moments before disaster

[terse wadi]

diving

[silk dirge]

ive brought up that it might be from the ancient civ

[edgy barn]

so true

[foggy fractal]

I've seen lots of people be able to replicate Hollow Knight's style but they lokwey gotta start upgrading just like Ari did

[terse wadi]

Probably was created to go deeper for more ore

[olive glen]

Yeah for sure ||okay but if we can get Verdinia can't we also get the Ant-Hive and Coral Forest? ||

[edgy barn]

The aesthethic looks pretty pharloom to me.

[terse wadi]

Hopefully one day

[flint wadi]

i drew characters in anticipation for release and seeing sharpe hanging there like hes in the game is really funny to me

[sinful nimbus]

Yknow what we need

Forgehome DLC

[foggy fractal]

😭 he thinks he's part of the team

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe you need a super powerful magical item from the Forgehome to be able to melt the steel armor of sharpe and scald him to death

[olive glen]

He'll get into the next game, for sure, right?

[terse wadi]

Is that Karmalita on the right there

[olive glen]

Silksong Lifeblood update for sure

[terse wadi]

fym next game he's coming in a dlc

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[silk dirge]

caramelita when

[terse wadi]

He's literally a backer boss they have an obligation to add him

[severe siren]

Sharpe is a backer character he is legally required to be added at some point

[edgy barn]

unless the back asked for him to not be included

[severe siren]

And he’s said to have a major role since before the release of HK

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe the backer requested he didn't make it in the game for one reason or another?

[glossy badger]

Weavers built a weavenest in the abyss

[flint wadi]

yeah i would send it here but i dont wanna flood it

[terse wadi]

imagne not wanting to be immortalized in peak

[terse wadi]

fair

[glossy badger]

So I assume they used the diving bell to get down

[foggy fractal]

only two ways I see is
Backer themseves requested not to be added
Its coming later down the line

[spark valve]

Of all the reasons to think the steel assassins are goin to be added I think this is the least persuasive

[quartz salmon]

We're going to the city of steel it's gonna happen all on red

[severe siren]

I will never buy that first option

[spark valve]

It’s not like there are npcs currently in the game alluding to steel assassins or anything

[olive glen]

Silksong dlc CANCELLED!!!! We will have to wait for Hollow Knight 3

[flint wadi]

i didnt play steel soul so idk about the stuff it adds

[foggy fractal]

yeah theres no evidence for it at all

[severe siren]

Certainly not anything mentioning hunting down people who stray away or anything

[olive glen]

It adds ||Joe Steelsoul|| into the game

[quartz salmon]

Literally ^

[terse wadi]

The existence of steel seer Zi is a hint they'll be coming at some point imo especially with the foreknowledge of Sharpe existing

[edgy barn]

I just hope they don't make that stuff exclusive to Steel Soul

[terse wadi]

Actually I think Zi does mention Sula is in deepshit and the masters will send someone after them

[sacred heath]

certainly not a DIRECT MENTION TO THE STEEL CITY
who would ever think that

[silk dirge]

im excited for john "city of steel" silksong to be added

[sacred heath]

monkey’s paw

[terse wadi]

probably will be ngl but maybe it won't who knows

[severe siren]

Barnacle Bay is also kinda confirmed (i like to think that way) cause of the fucking barnacle bay kelp in the end of the Weavenest in Bilewater, and Zyolotl’s dialogue about Plasmium originally found in salty waters at the edge of Pharloom

[silk dirge]

ok i hope sharpe gets added but we have no idea if city of steel is related at all

[vale plover]

Nie big bird pfp

[sinful nimbus]

the what

I need to see ts

[sacred heath]

he’s literally the steel assassin how direct can you get

[severe siren]

Which part, barnacle bay? It was in the 2019 trailer but didnt get added

[sinful nimbus]

Nah the kelp

[severe siren]

Oh sure

[silk dirge]

the bilewater weavenest was so disappointing tbh

[silk dirge]

every weavenest after atla kinda was

[sacred heath]

barnacle bay could get fused into the lifeblood tower

[glossy badger]

I hope it comes in a dlc I love the aesthetic

[sacred heath]

that’d be funny

[sinful nimbus]

we're back

[severe siren]

The kelp is there

We win

[silk dirge]

i was expecting a big subarea for every weavenest after atla and then like none of them were like that 😭

[edgy barn]

I mean Atla is the only one that is its own area

[severe siren]

Also just saying but barnacle bay under pale lake would make a lot of sense as a good water source that isnt maggot infested

[silk dirge]

id say the bay probably feeds the lake

[flint wadi]

ill be real of all areas in silksong we coudlve gone without ducts
like a salt lake area leading into barnacle bay would be amazing

do we really need bilewater dvd sequel

doesnt add anything

[sinful nimbus]

Ducts is mid yeah

[silk dirge]

ok but where would spit squits be added otherwise

[severe siren]

I think ducts might get expanded on tbh, when barnacle bay drops

[terse wadi]

Ducts only redeeming quality is fleatopia but it also sucks because no shortcut there

[sacred heath]

hell

[sinful nimbus]

Coralify spit squits and add them to the coral forest

[flint wadi]

i think right side of pharloom needs a palette cleanser, not a third maggot swamp area

[sinful nimbus]

the REAL coral forest

[severe siren]

I could totally see more shortcuts between ducts, bay, and bilewater

[edgy barn]

I do really like the Huntress. I wish you could find her somewhere with her kids after her quest.

[terse wadi]

Yeah, that'd be cool

[flint wadi]

like salt lake setting is PERFECT for that but we only got it in crumbs

[terse wadi]

Felt like she would've been more importnat than she was

[sinful nimbus]

salt lake mentioned 🦅 🔥

DLC should add mormons

[terse wadi]

Ew

[silk dirge]

SALT LAKE CITY REFERENCE???

[severe siren]

There was also a cut subarea intended to be on the right side of the map (i think), lifeblood spire or something? Its very old (2019) and that wasnt the final name

[terse wadi]

Only interesting thing there is the Hockey team

[silk dirge]

nah slc is goated

i used to live there

[flint wadi]

that was when citadel was a city

[silk dirge]

one of the only good things in utah

[flint wadi]

like a millenia ago basically

[vale plover]

So hornet is a pale being?

[sacred heath]

haunting on top, void at the bottom, lifeblood flanking the sides
hell yeah now we got a threeway

phrasing.

[vale plover]

And if I get it right, pale beings exist to rule, but are ridiculously bad at it lmfao?

[vale plover]

YOUR BIO IS SO REAL OMG 😭😭

[sinful nimbus]

3. Salt Lake City
4. The funky rocks
5. Me

[terse wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQxwbZsL14Y

[silk dirge]

utah has good national parks yeah

california clears them easy tho

[terse wadi]

Interesting to dissect this with our retrospective knowledge

[silk dirge]

im like worlds number 1 california glazer

i love california

[sinful nimbus]

why god

not the colored blood 😭

[flint wadi]

yeah this and verdania being where wormways were really hurts

[spark valve]

Empty prayers to an absent fiction

[silk dirge]

we committed a sin most grave and must suffer now

[spark valve]

At least bell eater has red blood

[sinful nimbus]

I wonder why this room was changed it looked great

[flint wadi]

this would imply skarrs were an actual power

they werent
hence no bone cities 😔

[silk dirge]

yeah uhh

overly red blood

[severe siren]

Bell eater is one of the coolest fights in the game

[vale plover]

Y'all isn't the knight hornet's big brother?

[silk dirge]

the redness of bell eaters projectiles is terrifying

[foggy fractal]

imo they probably redesigned the entire ant area

[severe siren]

Objectively

[silk dirge]

i dont like it

[spark valve]

It’s a cool fight but I had way too much trouble with it

[silk dirge]

i dont remember hunters march actually being shown in trailers

other than the map clip

[sinful nimbus]

Bell Eater prompted a meh reaction from me very quickly

I think I just like small duel fights better

[lapis creek]

im not a big fan

[silk dirge]

i dont like bell eater but i liked the ending

[vale plover]

They wanted the ant area to give hints at their past

Then they gave up, because yes

[lapis creek]

yes the ending was good

[vale plover]

Y'all stop ignoring me or I lol cry

[foggy fractal]

this def seems to be some sort of buildup to the ant colony given the huge space in the background and with the bridges

[sacred heath]

the humble karmeltia statue

[silk dirge]

bell eater after giving blue like 12 minutes of time loss yesterday

[vale plover]

?

[lapis creek]

i think they wanted the ant area to be flourishing at the time of the game

[terse wadi]

Just realised the plumed Rhino was cut, sadge

[lapis creek]

and then they changed it

[sinful nimbus]

Older or little sibling its unclear

[silk dirge]

who

[severe siren]

Oh right

[foggy fractal]

LMAO

[sinful nimbus]

like the entire kingdom 😔

[lapis creek]

the vibe i get from karmelita in the trailer is that she's slower

[vale plover]

This is not enough (Kendrick Lamar)

[foggy fractal]

PLUMED RHINO 😭 shit forgotten by most of us

[sinful nimbus]

I was keeping an eye out for the plumed rhino RIP my goat

[terse wadi]

Grand hunt in the original trailer I was looking back on it to see the cut content as well as what changed

[severe siren]

Plumed rhino is 100% one of those rhino bugs

[silk dirge]

yeah

[inner kindle]

if hornet remembers the delicate flower being able to contain the abbys isnt the delicate flower godseeker ending canon?

[terse wadi]

Could be, but grand hunts are bosses so idk about that

[severe siren]

Well like the same species at minimum

[silk dirge]

maybe they were at some point

[terse wadi]

Probably

[severe siren]

A boss variant

[sinful nimbus]

She never witnessed that personally

[severe siren]

Like skull crawler -> skull tyrant

[silk dirge]

also i find it funny all quests used to appear on any quest board

[sinful nimbus]

purple pukebug spotted 🥹

[silk dirge]

the moss druid quest appeared on songclaves questboard

[severe siren]

A boss variant of the rhino would fucking suck

[terse wadi]

Better system ngl

[sinful nimbus]

This rooms vertical nature intrigues me

[terse wadi]

but then again there used to be more towns

[inner kindle]

so she probably saw that somewhere else since we dont know how old she is

[sinful nimbus]

Or she just learned about it

[terse wadi]

Craggites true home

[severe siren]

That image matches the slanted rooftop section

[silk dirge]

didnt the big ceiling crab used to be in verdania

[flint wadi]

pogo sting shard

[severe siren]

That wouldve been one ginormous room wow

[flint wadi]

never forget what they took from us

[sinful nimbus]

why was it removed

[terse wadi]

By the looks of it

[silk dirge]

i wonder what possible reason team cherry removed this

[sinful nimbus]

Literally no point theres not much important it would sequence break

[sacred heath]

skips

[terse wadi]

Clawline def works differently than it does in the trailer

[sacred heath]

they’d find a way

[sinful nimbus]

I mean heck you can basically do the same thing with beast crest

[lethal burrow]

It would break the game in half

[silk dirge]

this is severely underestimating the speedrun community

[sinful nimbus]

Speedruns are good why would they hinder those

[terse wadi]

We stole their lunch money

[flint wadi]

i just think its neat you could definitely nerf it in ways that mattered

[severe siren]

Funny that there’s already a third way into act 2 found

[flint wadi]

i mean lol wisp thicket has a straight up check barrier

[silk dirge]

longer speedruns are more fun to watch

[sinful nimbus]

They're haunted

[foggy fractal]

does it have to do with beast crest charged attack

[sinful nimbus]

Possessed basically

[terse wadi]

does it involve sacrificing Groal to the void

[sacred heath]

that people have already managed to sneak around

[sinful nimbus]

No you get double jump with no clawline

[flint wadi]

yes

[lapis creek]

you can kill groal in act 1 though

if you go this way

[flint wadi]

impressive

[sinful nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC9LS9KuCJo

[mint furnace]

Mount fey shenanigans

[severe siren]

You can just grab wings and then go back

There’s a precise way to get wings without clawline

[lapis creek]

this is basically a whole series atp

[sinful nimbus]

Cofy is crazy

[lethal burrow]

I feel like pogoing sting. Shard is obvious enough that normal players would even do it.

and it easily invalidates double jump and depending on if you get your abilities back after pogoing it lot of the other stuff as well

[sacred heath]

i watched this video it’s fucking horrifying

[vivid kernel]

Bruh, my friend sent me a vid on GMS vs Pale King: Who's the Better Parent and the worst thing is, that vid is mine, why does this shit get recommended to people 😭

Well, regardless. I think GMS was not bad of a mother yk

[terse wadi]

It's a bit more complex than that, but that's the very basic answer

[sinful nimbus]

It'd be a whole lot funner than double jump

[eager urchin]

Why does hornet hate the pale king

[flint wadi]

im sorry how early can you get abducted into the slab

ik its act 1 early

[vivid kernel]

really?

[severe siren]

The only prereq is wall jump

[lapis creek]

we're still working on this one

[lethal burrow]

she's a better parent, but the pale king is a better ruler

As for who is a better person? Who knows...

[lapis creek]

get back to us in 10 years

[sinful nimbus]

TC when you get to memorium early (The entire game is fundementally flawed)

[flint wadi]

wouldnt it be faster to just beat last judge

[sacred heath]

absent father most likely

[eager urchin]

well yeah I mean what other options did he have

[lethal burrow]

also, the vessels thing was

[eager urchin]

had to save his kingdom somehow

[flint wadi]

like wisp thicket check is there so you couldnt sneak into act 2 as early as greymoor

[sinful nimbus]

No rational reason

[lethal burrow]

Yeah, I don't know why that's in the game

[lethal burrow]

I think that's a bit up to interpretation, but even then not all hatred has to be rational

[sacred heath]

i absolutely think Hornet was thinking back to the vessels in Lace 2 post-fight

[sinful nimbus]

wym up to interpretation

[mint furnace]

• gives birth out of a deal, not because he wanted a child
• proceeds to go kill like 10,000 children
• spends time only with her only other sibling
• plan fails
• installs buzzsaws in palace and seals it
• dies and leaves her to fix the kingdom

[sinful nimbus]

The Vessel project was ethical

Dying ain't unethical either

[flint wadi]

oh my god bruh

[lethal burrow]

Like the reason she dislikes him and also if her dislike is irrational or not

[mint furnace]

It was dubious

[sacred heath]

it really wasn’t

[sinful nimbus]

Its a trolley problem

[mint furnace]

We still don’t fully know what exactly the vessels are capable of in terms of mental state

[silk dirge]

when the pale king commits mass infanticide its fine but when i say i want to kill babies irl...

[sinful nimbus]

Actually it was an abortion and those are cool irl too 🤓

[eager urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-boop-sniff-gif-21374410

[lethal burrow]

The world died either way the only difference this time is that like 1000 children also died.

So it's radiance taking over things vs radiance taking over things but like the vessels have to experience all this bullshit also

[proud swan]

Not again bruh

[terse wadi]

feels like more trouble than it's worth ngl

[sinful nimbus]

Its not like he knew it would fail

[mint furnace]

It is, but also it wasn’t a confirmed way to save everyone

He was playing with powers he didn’t know about and it… well, failed

He gambled and lost

[silk dirge]

he was not lumble the lucky

[severe siren]

Pale king’s infanticide inevitably prevented Hornet from being an overused joke in another kingdom, he never did anything wrong

[mint furnace]

No, he probably very much knew it likely would not succeed

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't seem all that rational to hate him for attempting the only option he had and failing anyway because there was nothing he could do

[lethal burrow]

well, yeah.

But the plague was based off of theoretical unconfirmed truths.

[terse wadi]

With foresight, he probably did, but idk maybe he coping because nothing else worked so this has to

[sinful nimbus]

What makes you say that

[proud swan]

Tbh its only the ethical answer if you wish to save the kingdom. Wouldnt migration be enough

[mint furnace]

Foresight, and path of pain

[sinful nimbus]

We don't know how his foresight works and path of pain doesn't indicate that

[mint furnace]

Moves into Pharloom

[potent patio]

Are the pinstresses related to the birds in bile water?

[sinful nimbus]

Radiance was in their heads so she'd move with them

[lethal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/patrickpushit-bikinibottom-weshouldtakebikinibottomandpushitsomewhereelse-patrick-spongebob-gif-18165095

[flint wadi]

thats like generations worth of infrastructure abandoned

[terse wadi]

Love Bike water

[proud swan]

I would say its still better but then i thought about bilewater

[severe siren]

I need to make a Pharloom enemy deliciousness tierlist
There are a ton of delicious pharloom enemies

[mint furnace]

What I always gathered from PoP is that he at that point knew it was impossible to have a pure vessel

[sinful nimbus]

How did you gather that

[potent patio]

POV Netherlands

[terse wadi]

I found Nuu guys

[proud swan]

better than becoming orange zombies. Humans did that a thousand times

[mint furnace]

You cannot have someone devoid of thought; once they are in the company of others, they will develop personalities

That’s what we see across all of knights journey

[sinful nimbus]

Yes but why do you think PK knew that

He didn't exactly have access to the information we do

[mint furnace]

Does it have to help people? Or listen? Or give flowers? It really doesn’t

[flint wadi]

how did pk even judged vessels for their emptiness still remains a mystery

[mint furnace]

I’d assume our king would be smart enough to see it

[flint wadi]

(im inclined to believe it was just a race to the top of the abyss and thk made it out first)

[proud swan]

I don't think PK knew that. Lots of HK content where they 'hope' him to be truly empty

[mint furnace]

It’s his child and he spent probably years with it

[proud swan]

I'm pretty sure it was it as well, because tk gets there just after him

[sinful nimbus]

Its not exactly obvious, he studied the void extensively and arrived at the conclusion that it was isolated from the dream realm which is ostensibly true until it obviously isn't aeons later

[lethal burrow]

I feel like this whole thing is because the pale King was incredibly desperate, because if you think about the plan for too long, it does sort of fall apart.

[proud swan]

I mean he darwinised his bullshit lol

[mint furnace]

I like this theory more

[potent patio]

Does anyone else headcanon that Hornet got together with a hive knight while she was training in the hive?

[terse wadi]

PK isn't dumb he should know it's an impossiblity, should've gone with a stall tactic

[sacred heath]

hive knight’s too pathetic

[mint furnace]

Should’ve just 1v1ed radiance

[terse wadi]

lmao

[pulsar owl]

haii guys

[lethal burrow]

no they would probably be rivals

[proud swan]

She did have mates in her life so who knows

[pulsar owl]

i have alot questions be ready

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet's journal entry implies all her lovers died of old age

[terse wadi]

Yeah

[pulsar owl]

HOW DID HORNET GET BORN

[mint furnace]

Sexual reproduction

[sacred heath]

hand on shoulder.

[sinful nimbus]

Herrah and the Pale King's child

[proud swan]

when a queen and a king love eachother very much, you see

[potent patio]

Gex

[pulsar owl]

WHO X WHO

[terse wadi]

she says none could match her lifespan

[lethal burrow]

harrah and pale king

[pulsar owl]

ty

[sacred heath]

herrah and pk

[potent patio]

Pk and herra

[terse wadi]

Doesn't necessarily mean old age maybe one was crushed by a rock idk

[mint furnace]

Jinx

[pulsar owl]

ty guys '

[mint furnace]

Yall owe me atleast 3 geo

[pulsar owl]

ok another 1

WHAT IS THE LORE OF TROBIO?

[terse wadi]

Pompous threatre kid

[lethal burrow]

Certified thespian

[pulsar owl]

another 1

[proud swan]

his name is like that because of the voice actor. aside from that idk

[pulsar owl]

IS HORNET RELATED WITH THE VOID

[proud swan]

matthew trobbiani

[silk dirge]

no

[mint furnace]

He failed his audition with the Grimm troupe and moved to pharloom, trust me I’m Ari Gibsons nephew 7 times removed

[flint wadi]

theatre kid

[terse wadi]

Be more specific

[lethal burrow]

no

[proud swan]

I mean. that depends. Not with the void itself

[whole estuary]

well she is related

[pulsar owl]

idk how to be more specific

[mint furnace]

Uh, technically everyone is? But not in the way of the vessels

[potent patio]

Does the Mr mushroom ending confirm a 3rd game?

[proud swan]

Did you finish act 3?

[lethal burrow]

ok lmao I guess technically fraternally maybe

[pulsar owl]

ANOTHER QUESTION

[proud swan]

If you did finish act 3, yes

[mint furnace]

Pablo

[pulsar owl]

IS hornet born from a egg to?

[mint furnace]

Idk, probably

[whole estuary]

prolly

[mint furnace]

Spiders give birth via eggs

[pulsar owl]

IS hornet born in the void?

[lethal burrow]

Perhaps

[mint furnace]

No

[terse wadi]

Her half siblings are void zombies but she herself has no relation to void

[flint wadi]

a 3rd team cherry game, not a 3rd hollow knight game

[mint furnace]

Born of god and weaver

[lethal burrow]

no

[proud swan]

Definitely not

[pulsar owl]

aight

[proud swan]

Born in Hallownest

[mint furnace]

We can finally get back to hungry knight

[potent patio]

That would be some crazy multiverse lore

[pulsar owl]

ANOTHER QUESTION.

whys gms bad but lace is just chill?

[proud swan]

cause parents bad

[mint furnace]

That is… not easy to explain

[lethal burrow]

I don't know that she's chill

[proud swan]

and the kids are alright

[mint furnace]

Uh, play the game

[whole estuary]

lace is not chill and meemaw believes in slavery

[mint furnace]

That’s probably the best answer

[terse wadi]

GMS isn't allowed at the cool kids table

[pulsar owl]

DOES lace have any sisters or brothers.

[mint furnace]

It’s not slavery if they believe in it

[mint furnace]

1 that we know of, phantom

[lethal burrow]

no but they do have a non-binary sibling

[terse wadi]

Biologically no

[proud swan]

she does consider phantom as a brother

[flint wadi]

phantom

[pulsar owl]

ty

[lethal burrow]

me when I lie

[whole estuary]

I have a question now

[mint furnace]

mods, obliterate this man

[pulsar owl]

spoiler alert so imma spoil my msg now

[whole estuary]

DOES disgraced chef lugoli have the fattest ass in the bug world

[terse wadi]

We are in lore

There is no need to spoiler

[flint wadi]

i thought phantom was female

[foggy fractal]

no need this channel is all spoilers allowed

[mint furnace]

No actually, bardoon won the world championship of ass

[terse wadi]

Pretty sure she is but idk

[lethal burrow]

bardoon exists so no

[mint furnace]

Lugoli got second place

[proud swan]

wait why am I lying?

[pulsar owl]

||at the end of act 3 hornet goes up and has a flower in her hand wtf is that?||

[proud swan]

ah its the otherway around

[whole estuary]

True actually

[lethal burrow]

phantom is indeed not a man.

[sacred heath]

delicate flower

[terse wadi]

fym what is it

[pulsar owl]

what does it do

[terse wadi]

it's a flower

[mint furnace]

Too far the other way

[sacred heath]

by any chance have you completed the game

[pulsar owl]

what sorta flower

[proud swan]

I THOUGHT SHE WAS

[mint furnace]

I’m gonna assume not

[pulsar owl]

close to act 3

[lethal burrow]

do you remember all the stuff before that with the dialogue where they talk about the flower and what it can do

[terse wadi]

Just go play the game

[neat plank]

How old is hornet

[flint wadi]

old

[pulsar owl]

no sorry

[terse wadi]

Aeons

[lethal burrow]

oh lmao why are you asking about stuff you haven't even gotten to yet

[silk dirge]

67 years old

[mint furnace]

Atleast 2

[proud swan]

did you play hk?

[pulsar owl]

i love getting spoiled

[terse wadi]

fym no

[potent patio]

Do you guys think that we’ll be able to explore the coral caves or theold ant city?

[pulsar owl]

ye

[lethal burrow]

Probably not

[flint wadi]

our only hope is dlc

[proud swan]

delicate flowers have the property to repel void

[sacred heath]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-pippin-delta-rune-deltarune-chapter-3-chapter-3-gif-1899025022275161021

[terse wadi]

In a dlc maybe

[foggy fractal]

nah only hope is a dlc and I'm still doubtful

[mint furnace]

No, you are getting sand

[lethal burrow]

I can't wait for the city of steel to appear in the next DLC or game only for sharpe to get cut again

[mint furnace]

Coarse, rough, and it’s going everywhere

[terse wadi]

I'm answering no more of their questions go play the video game

[proud swan]

I think so

[flint wadi]

i mean for what its worth elegy of the deep is like the best set up for more memory locations

[proud swan]

Well probably have more than one dlc

[terse wadi]

lmao

[flint wadi]

esp since we have verdania and that is essentially a side quest as well

[proud swan]

I mean they working in silksong till 2032 and they probably have a lot of s tuff ready

[mint furnace]

Aren’t they not allowed to

[pulsar owl]

MAJOR SPOILER:

[mint furnace]

He has to show up eventually

[pulsar owl]

||if hornet dies she lets a caccoon behind wtf is that||

[potent patio]

Why were the three hearts necessary for red memory?

[mint furnace]

GUYS EVERYONE FEED MARS DISINFORMATION

[terse wadi]

Yeah, they do have an obligation

[proud swan]

but steel character are DEFINITELY happening cause they're backer characters

[lethal burrow]

they're allowed to do whatever they want as long as the backer doesn't actively sue them

[mint furnace]

FORCE THEM TO PLAY THE GAME

[flint wadi]

theyre really powerful

[lethal burrow]

which he could, legally I'm pretty sure

[flint wadi]

to access red memory takes a lot of power

[proud swan]

you know how when you're afraid you just poop. and then you go back to poop. its like that. mimicks real life

[terse wadi]

it's actully black licorice

[sacred heath]

first of all that’s not even close to a spoiler
second of all that’s her corpse

[terse wadi]

agreed

[pulsar owl]

if u never died

like in steel mode

[potent patio]

Was anyone else kinda disappointed that herras robe was canonically red?

[pulsar owl]

u cant see the cacooon

[terse wadi]

TC is chill so they will add him

[pulsar owl]

so ye its a spoiler for them

[proud swan]

come on y'all gotta realise mars is just baiting

[terse wadi]

Seth just wanted to meet TC they offered to make him a boss

[proud swan]

can't argue with that

[pulsar owl]

why doesnt it attack back just like at hk?

[proud swan]

but theres no coccoon in steel soul

so there is no spoiler

[pulsar owl]

exactly

[mint furnace]

Hornet has a very good relationship with her shade, as we know she is void

[sacred heath]

hornet isnt void
knight is

[pulsar owl]

they dont know about the coccoon so they dont wanna get spoiled prob to

[pulsar owl]

i see i see

[proud swan]

Exactly. Hornet is void. Nobody gets this

[pulsar owl]

1more question sir.

[mint furnace]

keep the agenda going

[pulsar owl]

why does hornet respawn :>

[proud swan]

Cause dying is sad

[pulsar owl]

LIKE HOW

[flint wadi]

her corpse

[mint furnace]

Because otherwise the game would be boring

[terse wadi]

I don't want to pretend Hornet is void even for a joke

[pulsar owl]

she just spawns at a bench

[sacred heath]

it was all a bad dream

[lethal burrow]

steel soul is canon

[proud swan]

Did you play katana zero? Its like that. She is actually dreaming when she dies

[pulsar owl]

wha.

[proud swan]

So you wake up in a bench

[terse wadi]

Katana Zero isn't dreams

[lethal burrow]

she inherited the worms foresight

[terse wadi]

it's time drug shenanigans

[spare pendant]

hornet is canonically void duh

[pulsar owl]

i feel sad for hornet idk why but i know u spreading missinformation

[eternal sigil]

year of our lord 2025
"hornet is void"
m f w

[proud swan]

Exactly THANK YOU

[spare pendant]

it's foresight, so it didn't actually happen

[proud swan]

the same happened with the knight

[pulsar owl]

if it all was foresight howd she kill gms?

[terse wadi]

Time drug

[mint furnace]

Hornet actually had a different power from pale king that not many people mention

[proud swan]

she actually killed her once she foresighted the hell of her

[lethal burrow]

[mint furnace]

It’s called the power of backsight, you can view things that have happened in the past

[lethal burrow]

it's simply that steel soul is canon

[mint furnace]

Pretty cool

[proud swan]

also called social anxiety

[terse wadi]

Did you just pretty cool your own comment

[mint furnace]

Shhh

[terse wadi]

ngl I first read that as "view things that never happened in the past"

[proud swan]

thats star wars Legends

[spare pendant]

wdym

[terse wadi]

Anyways I'm sick so I'm gonna go play SS and vegg out

[mint furnace]

That sounds like a really funny useless super power

“Hey Jim did you know that if you took a left in an intersection yesterday you would have been hit by a car and died”

“Tom what the fuck”

[lethal burrow]

the lore being talked about is so much right now. I can't believe it. silksong

[proud swan]

Real lore question though. What the hell was the secret/b ending

[flint wadi]

the scrapped one?

[proud swan]

and did anyone verify if its REALLY scrapped on the codes or if its obtanaible some way

[flint wadi]

its definitely not obtainable

[proud swan]

yea

[lethal burrow]

It's cut as hell

[flint wadi]

theres not even an achievement for it

[sweet zenith]

Someone said it wouldve been cool if you got that ending if you died at GMS is steel soul and i agree

[proud swan]

yeah

[mint furnace]

“Lmao skill issue” ending

[flint wadi]

its kinda hard to make out

im taking its might be what GMS wanted out of hornet

[proud swan]

I'm not sure, it would be such a bummer to see it everytime you die in gms

maybe if you dont bind her and all but idk

[flint wadi]

to regain her strength and bind with her maybe??

its basically reverse weaver queen

[sweet zenith]

I mean if you die to her in steel soul thats it so lore wise she wouldve have gotten hornet i think is the idea

[proud swan]

thank you for being smarter than me and pointing that out

[flint wadi]

it shows that the haunting is still in effect so grandma is probably still at the helm

[left oyster]

and you're never waking up

[proud swan]

yeah I just realised she has arms and stance exactly like GMS

so it probably is GMS winning a nd getting silk from hornet I guess

so weird that it got scrapped though, given that everything else was ready

[flint wadi]

i think its just that there really isnt a place you could put it in

[foggy fractal]

guys what do we think of silksong's 3 mask heal

[flint wadi]

if its a gms wins scenario youre not gonna show the player the cutscene every time they lose

the only place where i see it maybe being appropriate is if its a sealed siblings situation and the player just ignores the bind prompt

[proud swan]

making a cutscene is time consuming I have no idea why they would do it without a plan

[flint wadi]

2 mask contact damage

[sacred heath]

perfectly balanced

[flint wadi]

maybe there was a plan but they abstained, you really cant know

[proud swan]

one possible explanation is that its the same as the weaver queen ending and they were like "we put B or A guys"

in B she does have a hornet face after all

[muted lantern]

do yall think lace still has void within her now? or is it completely removed from her after the lost lace fight?

[sinful nimbus]

I like it

[sacred heath]

yeah it fits the flow of combat

[muted lantern]

healing system feels objectively improved over hk, especially with the new damage system

[flint wadi]

the knight technically had 3 heals too its just that silksong streamlines it to flow faster

which is better for silksong

[muted lantern]

but this is also the lore chat so this might not be the ideal place for this topic

[fair zealot]

i like the 3 mask heal because it makes it more strategic than hk, since like in hk you never really have a reason to not just heal off a single mask of damage

[spare pendant]

#sk-discussion

[silk dirge]

much more fun than hk

how do i send a wardenfly to the location of this person

[rancid oriole]

In terms of power and strength: is The little hollow knight stronger than hornet?

[simple path]

Yes.

[silk dirge]

this person says they played 1 hour of hk and decided it wasnt anything special 😭

like uh

[simple path]

They beat her twice in the original game

[silk dirge]

i think you should play more lol

[mint furnace]

knight

[silk dirge]

any opinion of someone on hk who hasnt reached city of tears is invalid

[mint furnace]

or a silksong player who complains about beastfly 2

[glossy badger]

Alot of people do that and I don't understand

[gentle aspen]

What the fuck is this

Don’t post this shit

[simple path]

Why not?

[mint furnace]

Im fine with it as long as they don’t voice their opinions online beyond “I didn’t finish it”

[gentle aspen]

Why do you think

[glossy badger]

Ty😭

[simple path]

Spoiler?

[gentle aspen]

no bruh it’s nsfw leaning and weird

“Hey can you sexualize the bug???”

[simple path]

Ahhhh

[olive glen]

Tbf if I didn't get spoiled on the lore of HK I don't think I would have been as interested in the games ||mind you I did try to go into Silksong mostly unspolied but fate had other plans for me during late act 2 I guess...||

[simple path]

That, I actually forgot

My bad

[sinful nimbus]

It isn't

[simple path]

Tho uhhh the video ain’t that weird it’s mostly just lore discussions on Lace

[sinful nimbus]

I have plenty of time in HK and its mid af

[sacred heath]

that was the same time I got spoiled for most of it
truthfully though I wasn’t all that choked up about it because all my predictions were TRUE and REAL

[simple path]

(Then why are you here 💀)

[sinful nimbus]

I was here because I was excited for Silksong but that turned out mid as well

[sacred heath]

starpengu on nonstop hater timing

[olive glen]

Yeah same for me, I wasn't too shocked with what I saw

[glossy badger]

Yeah I understand voicing your opinion a bit through the game but not at the very start

[sinful nimbus]

Why are we gatekeeping the concept of opinions 😭

[olive glen]

"I bet the haunting is caused by a boss that's like Radiance but silk"

[olive glen]

Everything has it's haters I guess

[sinful nimbus]

The GMS stuff surprised me because I honestly thought TC wouldn't do the same thing twice

[glossy badger]

I only got spoiled on the fact we visit the abyss

I was confused about the diving bell

And looked it up because I couldn't find out how to open it

[fair zealot]

you'll never believe this: tc made a video game twice (more than twice, in fact!)

[olive glen]

"SILKSONG ALL ENDINGS"

[sinful nimbus]

Fourth times the charm surely

[fair zealot]

same i was like "okay idk what I'm missing so I'm just gonna look up this one tiny thing"
the article: to open the diving bell you have to go to act 3 by getting the snared silk ending

[flint wadi]

idk saying its literally the same thing twice is cynical as hell to me but i see where youre coming from at least

[silk dirge]

you know whats not a mid af thing to spend a lot of time on?

a job

😎

[sinful nimbus]

My job is hating indie games

[silk dirge]

real

[glossy badger]

Yeah it sucks. The diving bell should've been only shown in act 3

[olive glen]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-cunningham-grass-touch-grass-deltarune-gif-26364866

[sinful nimbus]

I think the only real thing different is her place in the progression of the game

I enjoyed the fight, its quite fun, but it felt really off to have the final boss of the game have a similar "challenge" intro, a similar size to the final boss, the same no contact damage & projectile gimmick, similar visuals, and a similar theme

Its even more bizarre they copied the same exact "Betrayed by her creations" thing and the haunting is a repeat of the infection though that's apparent in Act 1

If I wanted to experience this I'd play Hollow Knight

[silk dirge]

i think thats kinda on you tbh

[muted lantern]

What happens to the first snail merchant from bone bottom? Do they die or are the the same one from songclave? I don't remember the names

[sinful nimbus]

I've heard you can find them haunted in the marrow

[silk dirge]

yeah you can kill them near docks

and they drop a bunch of rosaries

[sacred heath]

i kinda get what you’re saying there
the meat of the story is very similar to HK
but you ignore the fact that the serving is an entirely different cut

[abstract lynx]

so, is hornet void?

[muted lantern]

Oh really that sucks

[muted lantern]

No

[sinful nimbus]

What do you mean

[glossy badger]

Not really I didn't look up the apostate key because it was fairly obvious it was somewhere else but the diving bell just made 0 sense until act 3.

[elfin minnow]

Are red ants racist to mottled ants

[glossy badger]

Maybe

[silk dirge]

yes

i think possibly karmelita united them both and then when she died they became racist again

[sacred heath]

like
it’s what you described. The fight against the boss, the idea of the god being betrayed by her own creations, the strange “infection” across the land, that sort of thing
but the context is all different. That’s what makes it new. That’s what makes it special.
GMS wasn’t just left behind by the weavers, they actively tried to lock her away. The haunting, while very similar to the Infection on a surface level, has a very different (and arguably cooler) origin. The meat is the same, but it’s a different cut.
Do you get what I mean?

[sinful nimbus]

Moths actively tried to kill Radiance

The haunting does the same thing

The haunting in particular just isn't really interesting at all

[lethal burrow]

[random harbor]

Seer - Bringing Essence - Returning with 2400 Essence

So much Essence... So bright.... You truly are the Wielder my tribe so long has dreamed of.
The folk of my tribe were born from a light. Light similar to Essence, similar to that powerful blade, though much brighter still.
They were content to bask in that light and honoured it... for a time.
But another light appeared in our world... A wyrm that took the form of a king.
How fickle my ancestors must have been. They forsook the light that spawned them. Turned their backs to it... Forgot it even.
And so this kingdom was born from that betrayal. But the memories of that ancient light still lingered, hush whispers of faith... Until all of Hallownest began to dream of that forgotten light.
Ah, but what's done is done. And so am I. The Wielder has at last appeared and I've held the memories of my tribe for long enough. It is time for us to be forgotten too.
Don't remember us, Wielder. Don't honour us. We do not deserve it...
Aahh... I'm sorry...
Light... Radiance...
I... remember you.

@starpengu used /npcs quest name: Seer category: Bringing Essence dialogue: Returning with 2400 Essence

[sinful nimbus]

Hush whispers of faith implies it was taboo to talk about Rad

[lethal burrow]

yeah see.

What you said was false

[silk dirge]

i feel like we have very different definitions of actively trying to kill

[sinful nimbus]

Actively trying to forget about a being reliant on being remembered is attempting to kill her

[lone folio]

Karmelita died? Isn't she alive until we beat her in the boss fight?

[silk dirge]

i mean her power faded

[silk dirge]

yeah but the methods of doing it are different

[sinful nimbus]

So

Its not like sealing a goddess is an original idea either

[sacred heath]

and the reason they did it was different too!

[silk dirge]

i mean neither is most of the stuff in hk or silksong or most games

[sinful nimbus]

Its different when its in the same franchise

[flint wadi]

i wouldnt say its the exact same outside of the basic premise
thats kinda why im not very receptive to this retreading, it still does stuff different or presents things in a new context

gms is specifically a fakeout boss, her role in the story as a "flagship final boss higher being fight" is subverted with act 3 as it turns out that she wasnt a complete heartless asshole or an omnipotent being, you also delve more into what made pharloom fucked up and it turns out to be everything and everyone, not just her

[sinful nimbus]

It really feels like they just ran out of ideas

[flint wadi]

but again, fair, it is still very similar

[silk dirge]

do you have better ones tho is the question

i want to see a cracked fanfic from you now

[sinful nimbus]

I don't need to know how to cook to recognize a dish is bad

[silk dirge]

english final time

[silk dirge]

ok ass jim

[sinful nimbus]

Personally I'd put the conductors in charge with no GMS BS or whatever but I don't know where I'd go from there

[lethal burrow]

many people already went over how the interpretation that the moths purposely tried to kill the radiance doesn't make much sense.

You can read back on that conversation if you want, but it's already been had

[flint wadi]

yeah citadel as a soceity would be fucking awesome im ngl

[silk dirge]

we live in a society

[glossy badger]

No we don't

[silk dirge]

except we do

[sinful nimbus]

I don't know which conversation you are referring to, also just going "Go reread this previous conversation" isn't very productive.

Could you paraphrase the main points

[glossy badger]

Nuh uh

[flint wadi]

gms was always in the story its just that the focus seemingly shifted more towards her

i think a struggle between hornet and conductors leeching off gms' silk would be fun

[lethal burrow]

it's the same level of productive as retreading ground that's already been beaten proper like a dead horse.

Besides I directly replied to the first message of mine in the prior conversation so as you don't remember the prior conversation that you were a part of discussing this, I already had a direct way for you to jump to it very fast.

I don't think this conversation is very productive in the first place, but referring you back to the past discussion on the matter is at least the same amount of nonproductive, but in a much faster measure of time as opposed to having a whole nother conversation on the matter

[flint wadi]

and in the end the whole thing would go down with gms awakening (from actual sleep, not the semi wake state shes in ss) because hornet messed with the citadel and its order and whatever ritual it held in place to lull her away

idk thats just my musings

[sinful nimbus]

Could you paraphrase the main points or no

Because if you can't I don't really have any reason to take your original claim seriously

[silk dirge]

why is this hydrogen bus so shit it's a new bus but the seats are uncomfy and it still has ancient ass pull to request stop things

i love american public transit

[sinful nimbus]

Also, most conversations that occur in this channel frequently have already been had

[silk dirge]

you know its fucked when pharloom has better public transit

[lone folio]

Ventricas are a pretty good way of traveling

[silk dirge]

id take a ventrica irl

[glossy badger]

Idk people kept dying in them

[flint wadi]

and yk it would be pretty fun and really fucked if it were the conductors that were in charge of the haunting

[lone folio]

Well... Uhh.. They didn't fasten their seatbelts 👍

[glossy badger]

Only reason Hornet survived the diving bell fall

[lone folio]

Excatly

[glossy badger]

Remember to always fasten your seat belt

[silk dirge]

i would assume pharloom doesnt have an ntsb like body

[lethal burrow]

that sounds like a way of just dismissing it because you know I see no point in retreading what's already been.

And you're right, I don't think it's worth spending like an hour and a half arguing back-and-forth just to come to the same conclusion and say the same things.

So go right ahead and discount whatever you want based off of what criteria and logic you see as fitting, because I'm not going to waste my own time just because you demand that's what I have to do for you to take the many points seriously, also I wasn't the only one in that conversation many people were there so I wouldn't want to misrepresent anyone else's point.

Besides, you're acting like it's a Hercules task to go see this other conversation but it's really not since I provided a direct way to see it very fast and easy and reading is not that hard

[silk dirge]

id definitely get that investigated

[lone folio]

Lesson of the story: safety first, murder second, shaw third 🔥

[glossy badger]

Citadel isn't as civilised as I thought

[sinful nimbus]

I've had this conversation many times and I could just as well ask you to go and reread them but the thing with that is that there is no actual interaction or exchanging of points going on by rereading an argument thats already been had

[sacred heath]

you have a point there

[silk dirge]

reverse that

[lone folio]

I'm still a bit lost in the citadel lore

[sinful nimbus]

If you don't care if your contributions to the discussion are actually valid and worthwhile to read idk what to tell you

[lethal burrow]

well in the end, many people said why you didn't make much sense and you neglected to reply to those people near the end so I see no reason why you can't start off by addressing the points that were left on the ground

[sinful nimbus]

What did I not address

If you could present the messages I refused to adequately address I would in fact bother responding

[silk dirge]

you didnt post your address

[lone folio]

🔥 driht wahs ,dnoces redrum ,tsrif ytefas :yrots eht fo nosseL

👍

[silk dirge]

we can have discussions about silksong lore but silksongs story was more interesting than like 90% of the slop i read in ap lit

[glossy badger]

Weavers betrayed gms by using a song to keep her asleep and the citadel was built to keep the song going eternally. The people in the citadel didn't like this mistreatment from the weavers and betrayed them. Then they started injecting themselves with silk to keep them living longer. But I don't understand how the song stopped and when was lace made

[silk dirge]

"books of literary merit" are overrated as fuck

most of them are garbage

the not slop 10% was metamorphosis

that went hard

[limpid summit]

Dude Frankenstein was fire

[vague whale]

and some of them are really thought-provoking for a few pages and then all of a sudden they drop like ten thousand racial slurs

[silk dirge]

i didnt read that so i cant comment

[lone folio]

90% of this information is brand new to me even though I have read everything from the relics and beaten the game...

[sinful nimbus]

something something slab entries

[limpid summit]

Ap lit curriculum is so hit or miss

[vague whale]

OH MY GOD

[sinful nimbus]

[silk dirge]

truth nuke

[meager raft]

Do I need to spoiler ending stuff?

[silk dirge]

no

[lapis creek]

i dont think act 3 is that telling about what made pharloom bad

[sinful nimbus]

Nah what do you think of the shade lord bossfight

[lapis creek]

it's established to be gms then the weavers then the conductors

[meager raft]

Lols

[glossy badger]

I condensed it alot but yeah the lore has to be fully pieced together at different parts of the game its confusing

[lone folio]

Where is the thing with Weavers putting grandma silk to sleep? Like what dialogue or description does that information show upp in?

[meager raft]

Is it just me or does Grandmother Silk willingly help Hornet with her Silk to do the big Silk Soar?

[silk dirge]

like im sorry team cherry would clear shakespeare

atleast team cherrys story is actually readable

[sacred heath]

honestly i think Hornet just has a personal grudge with the flies
like it doesnt excuse it but it explains it

[sinful nimbus]

"Devised by your ancestors that monstrosity, and their wicked, clever minds. A system, or a web they'd likely call it, a way to keep their mother sealed in slumber, and themselves free to lavish in their false rule."
Mask Maker about the Citadel

[lapis creek]

the act of subversion is more or less worthless on its own

[sacred heath]

mask maker my goat

[lapis creek]

why does she have a personal grudge with the flies

[lone folio]

Oh yeah mask makers mask can be knocked off, atleast I think that's where this comes from

[silk dirge]

every time i read a love poem from the 1600s i want to imprison whoever made it in the slab with no chance of absolution

[sacred heath]

sent her to prison, messed with her stuff

[limpid summit]

TK gets captured by distant villagers but it doesn’t hate Hornet

Hornet is just weird

[silk dirge]

1600s love poems are a sin most grave

[lapis creek]

no they didnt

[meager raft]

And yet that's what got the girls going back then

[lapis creek]

i found the apostate key after killing groal and got in that way

[sinful nimbus]

What about the playthroughs where this doesn't happen and she's still a eugenicist

[meager raft]

lol

[sacred heath]

yeah actually what the fuck Hornet

calm down girl your Weaver is showing

[lapis creek]

she also doesnt call for genocide of the citadel bugs who did also put her in a cage

[silk dirge]

i feel like probably team cherry wrote it from that perspective

if im guessing they probably intended for you to get captured

[sinful nimbus]

There is a one way entrance from the Citadel to the Slab though

Its clearly meant to be a viable option

[sacred heath]

wait actually i have an explanation
theyre cops
that’s it Hornet just believes in ACAB

[silk dirge]

imo would be cool if they made it impossible not to get captured

[silk dirge]

yeah

[lapis creek]

this is a really strange inference

i didnt break the intended sequence on purpose

[silk dirge]

but i think team cherry probably wrote it from that perspective

[lapis creek]

why would they do that

[plush birch]

i am confused about the ||sister of the void|| ending.|| isnt void supposed to be unified at that point? why is the knight attacking itself||

[silk dirge]

bc its the more interesting way of getting to the slab

[lapis creek]

and why does hornet make no reference to being captured if thats why she hates them

[sinful nimbus]

Its a bit of a retcon

[lapis creek]

she instead talks about how they smell

[sacred heath]

oh god here we go again

[lethal burrow]

it seems that you think there's more to be said and I don't.

That's about it

[limpid summit]

We don’t really know what makes Pharloom void different

[sinful nimbus]

Incoherent

[silk dirge]

hey guys im chernobyl reactor 4 and im not feeling too good

[sinful nimbus]

He had a whole lot of nothing to say

[limpid summit]

Could be that TK doesnt innately calm all void but that doesn’t explain why it had to specifically attack the tendrils instead of stopping them short (this can honestly probably just be attributed to hype moments and aura)

[sacred heath]

i don’t think it’s different, I just think the context of the situation is different

[fair zealot]

personally i don't think the void being unified meant literally all of the void everywhere, but rather the knight was able to unify some amount of void

[limpid summit]

Void is likely still restless unless TK specifically exerts control over it

[sinful nimbus]

"You're wrong"
"There are multiple reasons you are wrong"
"Agree to disagree" 😭

[lethal burrow]

If we wish to be insulting then I think it's fair that I call you a rude shambling mass of unadmirable characteristics.

[limpid summit]

So TK wasn’t thinking about void in Pharloom

[silk dirge]

i feel like it just had to aura farm to the void in pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

That's not an insult you literally said nothing

[silk dirge]

pharlooms void is ununified i think

[sinful nimbus]

Not a productive conversation at all

[plush birch]

i think it is just for the shock value idk

[silk dirge]

considering pharloom never had a vessel project or shit like that

[limpid summit]

But like it’s not different void

It’s the same substance

It’s weird

[plush birch]

it was hype tho

[silk dirge]

nah i think pharloom void is racist towards hallownest void

[lapis creek]

you can kind of stretch it and say it behaves differently

but that's probably just creative liberties

[sinful nimbus]

Guys look is that the thing from HK no way that's so cool that's awesome because its a reference isn't that so cool guys

[silk dirge]

yes

[sinful nimbus]

(It was not cool)

[plush birch]

now it WAS cool tho, even if it was inconsistent

[silk dirge]

if you call me a hk glazer ill pull out my 1.2k hours in celeste

[lapis creek]

more or less

[fair zealot]

okay now this is just you saying this when it has no relevance just because you know it gets a reaction (idk what your actual motivation is but this is what it looks like)

[lapis creek]

it did some damage to the enemy variety

because now the main threat is just everything throws daggers at you

[fair zealot]

you don't have to bring up your opinion on the void's inclusion in silksong from a storytelling perspective every time void is mentioned in any context

[lapis creek]

and turns the floor into tendrils

[lethal burrow]

nothing here is productive unless it's answering questions, figuring out unsolved parts of the story, or considering new ideas

[sacred heath]

star isn’t a ragebaiter but their point there is teetering dangerously close to bait territory

[lethal burrow]

fortunately, we're not in the productivity factory

[sinful nimbus]

Or trying to convince people of certain viewpoints