sk-lore

[cloud plover]

isn’t that a stag station

yes

[limber anvil]

OK after checking the indev maps those 2 room sketches were added directly after ||verdania replaced the bay and right before the bilewater waterfall was added... Meaning this was likely the new location planned for barnicle bay|| and the sketches for them appear on the august 7th 2025 map

[lean temple]

In the background left of center

[uncut holly]

Yeah it is, but I do think they appeared in White Palace

Somewhere

[limber anvil]

Meaning those are the only empty room sketches I see on the final Map so dlc maybe?

[ebon silo]

my theory is that in silksong we will eventually find the missing false knight whose been missing for so long find him go in his memory and participate in the fight of blackwyrm to see if it's an actual entity or a location

[cloud plover]

that is really interesting

[edgy barn]

The implication there is pretty obvious

[quick marten]

They are in the first photo

[edgy barn]

There you go

[whole juniper]

that might not be a silk spool

it’s hard to tell

[quick marten]

Well its silk

[cloud plover]

i think it is

[edgy barn]

It's the same sprite you see at the weaver's den, what else would it be?

[whole juniper]

oh the one on the right and left is defintilet nvm

[lean temple]

Well it's not an airplane

[uncut holly]

There is a Silk Spool

See it

[quick marten]

With the lore of the automatons in pharloom constructed with silk maybe he partially used silk to make the king/wingsmoulds

Along with void of course

[whole juniper]

There is no evidence towards that

Hk was made before they knew they wanted silksong

[cloud plover]

clearly this relates to the weavers somehow

[uncut holly]

Oh no the automatons in Pharloom would have predated Kings and Wings Moulds

[whole juniper]

So that wouldn’t make much sense

[lean temple]

Well he did have Silk. What he used it for is another question

[cloud plover]

yea

[quick marten]

Well there's silk in the room and we know Pale king copied at least one of their techniques with rune rage.

[whole juniper]

The black egg seals

[uncut holly]

Yeah Rune Rage is the attack the Hollow Knight uses

[cloud plover]

the weavers created the seals though

[edgy barn]

In Silksong's journal wingsmould are described as Soul and Void within a shell. If there was Silk involved, it would probably be mentioned.

[lean temple]

That's not necessarily silk. It could just be a soul spell

[cloud plover]

why would he need silk in his palace

[whole juniper]

for seperate seals

[lean temple]

There is zero silk seen. It doesn't use silk. It's just soul

[cloud plover]

but he isn’t able to make them on his own right?

[uncut holly]

Yeah it could be just soul

[whole juniper]

Probably not

[uncut holly]

It does act similar to the Rune Rage we see from First Sinner

Very similar

[cloud plover]

it does

i think there is probably a connection there that tc won’t tell us

[whole juniper]

What is rune rage

[sonic dragon]

Did we actually lose the steel assassins

[ebon silo]

DLC probably

[sonic dragon]

Bumer

[edgy barn]

The silk skill you get from First Sinner

[sonic dragon]

I shall return once I finish act 3

[whole juniper]

What’s it do

[uncut holly]

I think its likely that PK dabbled in Silk

[ebon silo]

Circle attacks in random patterns

[quick marten]

Its basically just the pure vessel focus attack

[whole juniper]

oh

[uncut holly]

Maybe they even know of GMS, I mean White Lady somehow knew about Grimm Troupe

[ebon silo]

he 100% studied it but didn't used it because void was probably way better

[lean temple]

That's not impossible

[agile coral]

did you guys know conductor romino (the one who writes the opening poem) is the unravelled

[cloud plover]

i think this is likely

[whole juniper]

Probably not…

[uncut holly]

No thats Mizzello

[agile coral]

oh really? where tf is romino then

[cloud plover]

how do you know it’s mizello

[uncut holly]

We dunno!!!!!

[whole juniper]

There’s weavers in hallownest yet no evidence of hunting

[cloud plover]

never appears

[limber anvil]

OK I'm convinced that the barnicle bay was planned but got scrapped post 2023

[quick marten]

True pharloom knew about them as well since they reference hallownest as "the pale wyrms kingdom"

[robust wagon]

I assumed that was conductor mizello, the one we which can find a recording of their last surgery

[whole juniper]

Who does

[uncut holly]

Mizello is the one who was doing the Silk Experiments and was the head doctor down there, I believe he also passed before it was completed.

[steep talon]

Psalm mentions the operation is performed on him

[limber anvil]

Because in February 2023 tunnels were added that are no longer in bilewater and remained until august 2025

[steep talon]

Or wait that was someone else

[lean temple]

Choral Commandment telling the Choir to go capture Hornet

[quick marten]

Its on the orders given for the capture of Hornet

[cloud plover]

i did not encounter psalm

[lean temple]

"Full Chamber to the kingdom of the White Wyrm"

[uncut holly]

Im pretty sure its Mizello, if no I dont think its Romino we have been looking for Romino

[robust wagon]

It's on a psalm cylinder

[uncut holly]

We dont know where Romino is

[steep talon]

Dead as fuck

[cloud plover]

ok i see

[lean temple]

Dead, if there's only one Conductor at a time

[uncut holly]

Yeah Ballador is the last Conductor and hes hooked up to a Silk IV Drip

Somehow he didnt get Haunted

[steep talon]

Lmao, that's a funny interpretation

[uncut holly]

I mean he is though its a Silk IV Drip

[cloud plover]

info on romino is def gonna be in a dlc

[ebon silo]

Is the hunter journal a weaver or what because the dudes head is round y'know what's also round

[uncut holly]

The round Weaver head we know now is just a mask

[quick marten]

Silk reminds me of the old blood in bloodborne. Everyone using it and then it starts fucking them all up

[lean temple]

?
That's just stylization?

[ebon silo]

Yeah but what is the hunter anyway

[cloud plover]

i feel like this is more equivalent to lifeblood

[whole juniper]

Lifeblood

[lean temple]

We don't know

[tiny socket]

The hunter is quite clearly a normal bug

[ebon silo]

It's a skeleton

[whole juniper]

Normal is a word. It’s not a god or higher being but that doesn’t make it normal

[bright oyster]

the conductor very much feels like master willem in fact

[cloud plover]

yea it’s not normal in size or intelligence

[tiny socket]

Just a goofy stick figure bug with a cool hairdo

[steep talon]

true...

[uncut holly]

Hunters a powerful bug, but just a bug.

[limber anvil]

barnicle bay timeline... removed in late 2021 wasnt a full area yet. Replaced with verdania and in 2023 3 unused connecting rooms were added that seem to be empty, which made it to 1 month before launch.

[quick marten]

Whiteward was some actual bloodborne shit. Why was there a brainsucker there

[light saddle]

The Whiteward area gives me similar vibes

[quick marten]

When I saw Sherma was going there...

[uncut holly]

I AM STUCK IN GALLWASSER!

[quick marten]

https://tenor.com/view/flash-speed-dc-gif-18017928

[uncut holly]

I hate Gallwasser...

[whole juniper]

aaaaaah

[lean temple]

Is that German?

[uncut holly]

Yeah

[lean temple]

Guessed so

[tiny socket]

Is there an explanation for where pilgrims arrive to bone bottom from?

[cloud plover]

they just be appearing twin

[uncut holly]

To the left of Bone Bottom there is the Chapel of the Wanderer and theres a solid wall. It is theorized by only me that they phase through that solid wall

[cloud plover]

oh wait chapel of the wanderer

[tiny socket]

I guess they arent stuck on a 2D plane which might help for traversal

[uncut holly]

Not actually though

[cloud plover]

wanderers arrive to bone bottom

[ebon silo]

Yeah it's called

/Spawn pilgrim every 2 minutes and let them go to bone bottom and try to go to citadel with 3% of chance of succession

[cloud plover]

mystery solved

[bright oyster]

from the third dimension we never get to see, behind the screen ig

[tiny socket]

Sage candy rock or just andy has spoken, and thus the truth has been unveiled

[uncut holly]

That Gauntlet infront of Conductor Ballador is the Collesuem of Fools for this game, that and the Crab Tower

[bright oyster]

the crab tower is the worst offender for cut content in this game

[cloud plover]

its like 1 trial but kinda

[quick marten]

Fr though I think there are actually villages nearby Pharloom unlike Hallownest where its just a wasteland. Mostly just cause of Garmond and Zaza's backstory where their village fell to the haunting, yet is not within Pharloom seemingly

[uncut holly]

Both Crab Tower and that Gauntlet arent nearly as expansive as the collesuem was.

[ebon silo]

What I say is the truth and my next wisdom is that I was the photographer of the battle of blackwyrm and that I was the composer of karmelita

[bright oyster]

what a beautiful waste, worst then wisp woods

[uncut holly]

Yeah the Coral Caves had way more to it

[bright oyster]

the wisp area had so much potential

[tiny socket]

As you say Sage Candy Rock or just Andy

[cloud plover]

you were the composer of karmelita

[tiny socket]

I’m a big fan of fire based attacks in games, and it’s a shame hornet doesn’t get a flamethrower

[cloud plover]

explain that sentence to me

[tiny socket]

Parry this you filthy casuals

[whole juniper]

Hot needle

[tiny socket]

Hot needle is not a flamethrower

[quick marten]

Yeah wisp thicket deserved better tbh that area was so cool looking only to be like 2 rooms

[whole juniper]

In some worlds it is

[light saddle]

Oh great sage, what is the release date for Hollow Knight: Zoteboat?

[lethal burrow]

Bamboo forest with fire cultists

[uncut holly]

What was cut about Whisp Thicket?

[ebon silo]

[message removed as it violates team Cherry's NDA]

[tiny socket]

The bamboo in the entrance room was definitely cut

[whole juniper]

I don’t like that area

[lethal burrow]

As far as I know nothing, some people just think it should've been bigger because it was cool

[uncut holly]

I see

[tiny socket]

No way an untouched wilderness has that short of bamboo

[light saddle]

NO!!

I DIDNT SCREENSHOT

[tiny socket]

I’d appreciate wisp thicket a lot more if there was anyway to deflect the fireballs

[bright oyster]

I dont understand the point of even having it in the final game, it has literally two enemies and a boss (that drops a tool any other fire based boss could have dropped) and they decided to put a whole ass flea in that area, why?

[cloud plover]

enemy design is awful the area design is awesome tho

[lethal burrow]

October 7th 2028

[ebon silo]

It's. Projectile though

[ebon silo]

False information

[tiny socket]

You make a good point Sage Candy Rock or just Andy

[ebon silo]

Andy.

[quick marten]

Yeah I think it was an area that kind of got scrapped, but they made all the assets already so they just put it in as a little secret lol

[tiny socket]

Wisp thicket does allow skipping phantom and last judge which is neat

[whole juniper]

Horner is a MAN

[cloud plover]

the path to underworks is accessible in act 1?

[lethal burrow]

was the first sinner guilty of apostasy against the other Weavers or grand mother silk

[cloud plover]

i don’t rmember it but i just assumed you needed act 2 tech to get there

[whole juniper]

I’d rather do last judge cause wisp thicket sucks

[vague whale]

ueap

[cloud plover]

that’s cool

[vague whale]

who is Horner

[scarlet timber]

Horner 💀

[whole juniper]

Hortnet

[tiny socket]

I think first sinner spoke up against Gms

[bright oyster]

it should have been a memory zone like verdania imo, having a flea there makes it not so optional nor secret for even mildly completetionist people and exacerbates the flaws in the area that would have otherwise been ignored had it been a memory

[lethal burrow]

I am gullible and absorbent. Here is your time to insert your head canon as fact, like all the most active theorists do

[scarlet timber]

Hortnet 🥀

[whole juniper]

Hornet

[vague whale]

hornet is a lesbian

[tiny socket]

Wisp thicket is fine, it’s just a pain to do if your intending to actually fight the enemies instead of of skipping them

[scarlet timber]

Canon

[whole juniper]

It’s hard to ignore them

[tiny socket]

Not really

[whole juniper]

If you’re going up, they’ll just shoot fireballs at you

[neat sandal]

doubt.
before Weavers built citadel, I doubt there is a religion
and if no religion then no apostasy

[light saddle]

True and based

[tiny socket]

Just jump over the first one and jump in the water then when it deaggros you can kill the lanterns with a silk skill

[bright oyster]

I actually liked the boss tho, it was a nice change of pace

[cloud plover]

hear me out - we were just talking about the similarities in rune rage and pure vessels attack, rune rage is a manifestation of the first sinners rage towards her mother, so maybe pure vessels move is a manifestation if his hatred toward pk for trapping him for seemingly eternity?

[vague whale]

no, there was a extant religion that the Weavers snarycd

[supple needle]

Ghost x Hornet fans are gonna go wild knowing there’s now a canonical incestual couple that’s in silksong 😭

[whole juniper]

he loved pk

[lethal burrow]

is it really or are you just gonna spread misinformation about clovers again

[tiny socket]

The weavers followed Gms as their creator, however first sinner realised that they existed before her intervention right? Wasn’t that the cutscene after the fight?

[supple needle]

It is NOT misinformation

[cloud plover]

yes he did, i think it’s possible that love faded with time until he got released

[lethal burrow]

it's just some wacky logic to say that because two people were born at the same time their siblings.

Do you know how many people in the real world would be siblings if that was actually how it worked

[light saddle]

If it’s any consolation, the Eng translation is weirdly vague compared to the other translations. So could be they walked back the idea

[bright oyster]

seems GMS gave minor mindless spiders sentience which became the weavers, same way the PK gave sentience to minor mindless bugs, she is no more pretender than he is

[supple needle]

The game states that they’re twins directly 😭

[tiny socket]

I think we need clarification from Sage Candy Rock or just Andy to conclude the truth

[lethal burrow]

If it states it should be no problem with obtaining a screenshot

[neat sandal]

more like they realize they not divine as they think they are
they just simple bug but got lifted by GMS
they not created
just like Darwin declare human evolve from monkey instead god created human
and other human gone mad at him

[supple needle]

I am not replaying the entire game to go to lost verdania for a screenshot of a piece of dialogue from green prince.

[tiny socket]

Is there actually evidence for a romantic relationship or do they just have a brotherly companionship

[bright oyster]

does anyone else think GMS was also a wyrm?

[cloud plover]

no

[tiny socket]

That makes sense

[lethal burrow]

OK, don't do that then.

I don't know why you're acting like That's the only way to get a screenshot.

[cloud plover]

actually maybe i guess idk

[light saddle]

Only in other translations of the game. Normal Eng just calls them dual princes while others call them twins, and only states they were born at the same time while others explicitly state they hatched from the same egg.

[foggy fractal]

as far as I know they're never stated as twins in the english translation
other translations do use the word twins tho, in their journal entry for example

[cloud plover]

i feel like if gms was a wyrm we would be able to find her shell much like pks

[uncut holly]

GMS was definitely not a Wyrm

[signal sun]

hi

[karmic tartan]

Hello

OCTOBER FOR MASKMAKER APPRECIATION MONTH

[bright oyster]

I think all pale beings were wyrms in their natural form, and simply chose what shape to take

the white lady og concept art had her looking very similar to pale king

[tiny socket]

GMS looks a bit like a silk spool right? Or am I going crazy

[uncut holly]

GMS is seemingly a strange entity composed entirely of Silk and Soul. (Which Silk is Soul so just Silk)

[lethal burrow]

i've just only seen people claiming their twins and never seen anything in the games, just their twins so it's a bit funny when people claim it's an absolute truth that cannot be disputed

[deft lake]

Question. I've heard that Silksong is a sequel to the Delicate Flower ending (correct if I'm wrong), but if it is, how is the true ending possible? Does the Shade Lord not get evaporated by the flower while in Godhome?

[bright oyster]

maybe we just havent found it yet

[uncut holly]

But their the origin of all Silk, everywhere. No one is able to weave Silk unless they came from them.

[lethal burrow]

it's a sequel to the non-delicate flower God home ending or the dream no more ending.

It's ambiguous

[cloud plover]

possible but i would consider it very unlikely

[tiny socket]

The shade lord never got evaporated, they just got prevented from escaping Godhome at the time

[light saddle]

^

[uncut holly]

From what we know Pale Beings are just consistently Pale, thats about it. It probably means something, but we just dont know.

[karmic tartan]

Back to the void

[lethal burrow]

^
-# (edited)

[cloud plover]

^

[karmic tartan]

GLORY TO HALLOWNEST

[karmic tartan]

-# (edited)

[light saddle]

We see what ends up happening to them in Godseeker mode iirc. Godseeker gets new dialogue that’s basically groveling at TK’s feet

[cloud plover]

-# (edited)

[karmic tartan]

-# (edited)

[cloud plover]

-# (redacted)

[karmic tartan]

-# (data expunged)

[deft lake]

So is it confirmed if it's a sequel to the Delicate Flower ending or just the normal Godhome ending?

[foggy fractal]

yeah I don't think I've seen them refered to as twins either

[deft lake]

Or is it just whichever

[light saddle]

-# (undefined)

[cloud plover]

-# (the green prince incident)

[raw pewter]

-# (Classified)

[light saddle]

-# (Whichever)

[cloud plover]

we don’t know yet

[karmic tartan]

-# (never mention that again)

[cloud plover]

one of the 2 tho

[cloud plover]

-# (good idea)

[lethal burrow]

anyways somebody ask a question about something they're confused about in the silksong story

[edgy barn]

I just realized that technically Wisp Thicket doesn't actually have a boss

[deft lake]

Got it, thanks to all who helped

[cloud plover]

why did will smith slap chris rock at the oscar’s a few years ago

[uncut holly]

Father of the Flames is a boss though

[edgy barn]

Yes, but the room you fight Father of the Flame in is actually part of Bellhart

[uncut holly]

Its a non conventional boss but it has a Boss title, and a technical base body with a health bar

[lethal burrow]

guys this is supposed to be "a more in-depth discussion channel. No low effort/memes allowed" smh

[uncut holly]

Oh yeah thats true

[cloud plover]

you’ll survive dude

[lethal burrow]

[lean temple]

That doesn't add up with how Wyrms have very specific powers and the other Pale Beings don't have them, namely foresight and transformation. And saying "kingdom of the White Wyrm" would be pointless since by that logic every pale being is a white wyrm

[karmic tartan]

This channel? Serious?

[quick marten]

You broke the rules you are sentenced to 3 weeks unpaid overtime on the underworks treadmill

[raw pewter]

Uhh Masks, are they the thing that gives bugs sentient? (beside the Pale King magic intelligent booster) Because it seems other bugs outside of Hallownest do have sensient, so does the ability to think and feel related to masks or something else?

[tiny socket]

There are non sentient masked bugs though

[light saddle]

Take him to the confession booth. He must work off-cycle to repent

[atomic lance]

Sherma is just too too pure for this world 😭

[lapis geode]

I still confuse the whole ordeal about mask, it is the one of many things
that separate Hollow Knight universe than regular bugs in real life

[lapis geode]

Shaman-sherma

[raw pewter]

I actually don't know what counts as a mask and not... Since Styx entire head seems to be a mask he can switch out

[atomic lance]

I don't feel like they ever explained the masks in HK or SS

but I didn't deliver the Door Dash order to the Mask Maker in SS, so maybe there was something there

[buoyant salmon]

kinda unrelated to lore but how can I get Shakra instrument?

[cloud plover]

sherma the goat

[tiny socket]

That was less mask maker lore than just general ss lore iirc

[raw pewter]

Do her quest, you can find the quest in the wish board of Songcave

[edgy barn]

Well the Liquid Lacer you deliver is described to be a pale glaze. So there could be a connection between it and the pale being's ability to grant sentience

[cloud plover]

it doesn’t explicitly confirm that they are twins but yea this was really dumb on team cherries part

[tiny socket]

There’s far too much pale glaze in this channel

[cloud plover]

pale glaze 😭

[buoyant salmon]

so did I got all the map from her?

[cloud plover]

yup

[karmic tartan]

Yeah that's all

[cloud plover]

the quest is in bellhart though iirc

[buoyant salmon]

the quest not triggering though

[tiny socket]

Isn’t the quest in bellhart?

[lethal burrow]

so the hunters journal does not in fact say their their siblings at all

[buoyant salmon]

ah that's why

[cloud plover]

don’t act like that is not a reasonable implication of the entry

obviously they aren’t because team cherry wouldn’t put that in the game

[vague whale]

why are we arguing about them not being siblings

[lethal burrow]

I think it's a possible interpretation technically speaking.

[quick marten]

I didn't know George R.R Martin helped with silksong's story

[supple needle]

The conjoined heart adds onto such

[karmic tartan]

Because either they aren't siblings or something very bad is happening

[lethal burrow]

In what way?

[vague whale]

wdym?

[lethal burrow]

somebody is saying their siblings and I don't think that's supported much so here we are

[cloud plover]

they definitely aren’t but it should’ve been more obvious on team cherries part tbh

[vague whale]

no no I'm not on your side here they're pretty obviously siblings

[vagrant ember]

Phenomenal Letters in ur name btw

[karmic tartan]

Someone else can explain

[lethal burrow]

ok

[vagrant ember]

silksong fans, how do we feel about the game symbolizing rapture?

[karmic tartan]

This needs to be sorted out hold on

[supple needle]

It speaks for itself 😭

[cloud plover]

it’s great there is so much thoughtful symbolism in the game

[vague whale]

I didn't know rapture involved experimental surgeries 🤔

[cloud plover]

like seth’s storyline omg that was the best

[lethal burrow]

it must be mute then

[vague whale]

I learn so much from silksong

[cloud plover]

you are the only one not getting it lol

[raw pewter]

Conjoined heart, conjoined twins?

[vagrant ember]

It didn’t and that’s why I’m a bit confused

[karmic tartan]

I dmd you why it's bad

[tiny socket]

They are quite clearly not conjoined

[lethal burrow]

But they're literally not conjoined either

[cloud plover]

metaphor

[supple needle]

Two half’s in a whole:

[vagrant ember]

Fair enough

[lethal burrow]

Almost like a relationship about people who loved each other very much

[quick marten]

I feel like conjoined souls would not be a weird way to refer to soul mates

[light saddle]

That can be pretty easily played off as a soul mates theme, though.

[karmic tartan]

CAN WE FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE

[vagrant ember]

LOVE IS ABOUT UNIONIZING, GUYS 😭 😭

[supple needle]

I mean they both look the exact same aswell

[cloud plover]

yea the two hearts thing makes sense from a lovers perspective the journal entry is just poorly written tho

[lethal burrow]

we don't even have a picture of the other one what do you mean?

We only have the robot and the weird memory that's not quite there

[raw pewter]

Yeah let's unionize against the Citadel's terrible working conditions

[vagrant ember]

Ah okay sorry

[quick marten]

No we are going to talk about gay bug incest it has massive lore significance

[tiny socket]

Why are there three temporary benches in that room in underworks?

[lethal burrow]

The only thing we know is that they look vaguely similar because they were the same type of bug and that they were both green

[supple needle]

The game states

[lethal burrow]

So you're at the point where you're just repeating yourself then

[vague whale]

true!

[supple needle]

Because that’s the information that gets the point across repeated or not the point is there

[tiny socket]

In what civilised world would more than one bug get time off work to rest, imagine how inefficient that would be for… whatever they do in underworks

[lethal burrow]

you know being similar to another person can be in non-physical ways.

[quick marten]

Union? Send his ass to the slab IMMEDIATELY‼️

[cloud plover]

giving working bugs a rest? blasphemy

[edgy barn]

ngl if you told me Silksong of all games would end up having more than one debate around Incest I would have thought you were silkposting

[lethal burrow]

I know what your point is, but I don't think that information serves you

[tiny socket]

Exactly, perhaps that room is actually the base for the underwork rebel alliance

[raw pewter]

Wait no! I don't want to be with flies! Anything but the flies!

[lethal burrow]

it's crazy what people can see when they try to grab vapour waves

[tiny socket]

Which is why it connects to outside of underworks

[karmic tartan]

They could've been bright pink

[supple needle]

Gotta feed the vessel x Hornet shippers 😭 the freakers are starving lol

[cloud plover]

yea they could’ve i’m not saying they were siblings

i’m just saying it is done very poorly and can make people think they are

the sprites have the exact same proportions

[light saddle]

Well, similar yeah. They are both the same species after all.

Not to sound like a broken record, but it should still be noted the Eng translation is a hell of a lot more vague than its counterparts. So honestly, I think people are free to make of it what they will.

[lethal burrow]

seen as we're repeating our points

"we don't even have a picture of the other one what do you mean?
We only have the robot and the weird memory that's not quite there.
The only thing we know is that they look vaguely similar because they were the same type of bug and that they were both green"

[vague whale]

the flies is no good

[edgy barn]

The whole thing does have incest-y vibes though. Even If I don't think that was the intention.

[cloud plover]

they don’t look vaguely similar the sprites are the exact same

i feel you’re being willfully ignorant

[raw pewter]

I never once thought Green Prince and his lover are siblings, despite their similar appearances, I just assumed it's like how enemies looking exactly the same as each others

[lethal burrow]

The sprites are literally not the same though. What the hell are you talking about?

[tiny socket]

Is phantoms silk the cause of the hallucinations in exhaust organ or is it the banger piano playing

[cloud plover]

the proportions of the sprites i meant

the proportions are exactly the same

[lethal burrow]

yeah, I said that they were vaguely similar; in the fact that they were the same species and they were both green

[supple needle]

(Theyre also both called green princes)

[cloud plover]

exact proportions is not vaguely similar

[light saddle]

Eh, I don’t really think that matters. I wouldn’t put it past TC to make two lovers of the same species have the same sprite. Oblobbles for example

[raw pewter]

I am on your side, but they look exactly the same as each others

[tiny socket]

Conchflies

[lethal burrow]

or watcher knights

[cloud plover]

i think it’s more the fact that we see plenty of oblobbles and only 2 of this bug

[quick marten]

The watcher knights were lovers?

[lethal burrow]

also true

[karmic tartan]

Exactly

[cloud plover]

are conchflies lovers

[lethal burrow]

no but them all looking the same isn't confirmation They were related.

[edgy barn]

Green Prince and his lover are meant to be nigh-identical in universe. that combined with the fact it is stated they were born at the same time is what spawned this debate.

[vague whale]

the great ones ? yeah

[karmic tartan]

Probably

[cloud plover]

i see

[raw pewter]

Ahh I see, yeah I can see why people might think that way

[lethal burrow]

yeah like I can see it but I don't get the rampant insistence.

It's by no means confirmed

[raw pewter]

Of all the things team Chery can be vague about, this is not one of them

[tiny socket]

I think the least contraversial relationship in hollow knight is the two bugs in the spa in hk

[light saddle]

Sure, but imo it’s more noteworthy that the game bothers to bring up their similarity in-universe, rather than them happening to share a sprite.

Not to say incest was what they landed on in the end. Being so vague in the English translation compared to the rest might suggest they wanted to walk back the idea.

[cloud plover]

i don’t think they ever landed on incest i just think it’s handled poorly

[light saddle]

Ye, I agree

[lethal burrow]

like I'm fine with someone saying "well i interpreted it as incestuous."

but saying it's "canonical" and "confirmed" is just way too far and you're gonna get pushback from me if you try spreading that around, the same way, you would get pushed back if you were to spread any other headcanon as fact

[raw pewter]

I actually like Phantom, she's just aurafarming the entire time

[vague whale]

lurien the watcher's relationship with telescope

[raw pewter]

Based behaviour honestly

[foggy fractal]

such as Andy is in game and the best boss

[lethal burrow]

Like the game definitely doesn't state their twins directly

and it's definitely not canonical.

That's the original statement I was disagreeing with by the way.

Somebody said it was canonical and that it was stated in the game directly

[tiny socket]

Does she just spend all her time locked in the room playing piano? At least Lace goes out and makes friends

[light saddle]

Iselda and Corni tho! 😭

[tiny socket]

True that

[light saddle]

Sheo and Nailsmith too 🤔

[cloud plover]

the goats

[raw pewter]

How many friends does Lace have?

[tiny socket]

Hornet

[vague whale]

true

[tiny socket]

Butterflies?

[quick marten]

"Makes friends" aka killing people 😭

[raw pewter]

Friends plural, Hornet singular

[light saddle]

Think that was the point

[vague whale]

Hornet and fluffy things

[lethal burrow]

hornet would be a furry imo

[cloud plover]

i’m still not sure if i think widows fur is a cover or is canonically under every weavers mask

[raw pewter]

A bit of a shame we have to kill Phantom, between her and Trobio they are both so dramatic and theatrical

[vague whale]

based if true

[lethal burrow]

we don't have to.

The last judge and wispthicket are right there

[tiny socket]

Phantom was leaking hallucinogenics into the water supply, thus causing the mist

[karmic tartan]

We have to kill trobbio

[lethal burrow]

He's just faking

[raw pewter]

We do
-# For the achievement

[karmic tartan]

You can enter citadel through thicket?

[tiny socket]

Yep

It requires a skip though

[karmic tartan]

Do you need to beat FotF

[lethal burrow]

can't you just break the hidden wall near the Mine cart?

[tiny socket]

Wheres the minecart?

[lethal burrow]

It's where you get the craft metal

[cloud plover]

pls forgiv

[tiny socket]

I still have no idea

[karmic tartan]

You forget name and date

[scarlet timber]

Organ

[cloud plover]

fuck

i am too lazy do ur worst pk

[karmic tartan]

Your family is now in the abyss

[cloud plover]

oh that’s chill

[tiny socket]

Is the void soup?

[karmic tartan]

Yes

[cloud plover]

void taste yummy

[scarlet timber]

Agree

[tiny socket]

Therefore the knight is full of soup

[quick marten]

Yeah that's enough bro you getting sent to build the tram in deepnest

[cloud plover]

that is actually incredibly merciful

[light saddle]

Mmmm murder soup

[tiny socket]

Sent to negotiate with deepnest

[raw pewter]

Just bring spider repellent

[cloud plover]

this is where i draw the line

[light saddle]

Pharloom ain’t ready for the Raid spray can

[raw pewter]

Sent to work at the Underwork

Sent to Bilewater

[cloud plover]

[quick marten]

300 years mining at crystal peak

[tiny socket]

Pharloom would crumble under the introduction of polyester

[cloud plover]

the economy would go upside down

[tiny socket]

Silksong? More like… idk, song?

[raw pewter]

Do you think we can shave the fleas and make wool instead of silk?

[cloud plover]

woah

you’re asking questions you don’t wanna know the answer to

[raw pewter]

Next game: Wool Melody

[cloud plover]

you’re going too deep

[raw pewter]

Plant some cotton at Shellwood

[tiny socket]

I don’t know why the fleas have hair

[cloud plover]

me neither but it was the right design choice

[tiny socket]

Fleas were not the right creature to make me want to save all of them

[cloud plover]

whattt

fleas were better than grubs no cap

[lean temple]

I have a small unsubstantiated head canon which is that Hornet likes fluffy things because maybe Herrah was fuzzy on her upper body, like a tarantula

[tiny socket]

Grubs are reasonable, because they’re delicious

[raw pewter]

Team Cherry's ability to make fleas cute

[cloud plover]

ok nevermind

you deserve to be haunted

[raw pewter]

Sent Gold to Bilewater instead of Blah

[cloud plover]

thank you 🙏

[tiny socket]

I frequently find myself in survival situations after stating my opinions, and knowing safe food options for the middle of a jungle is an essential skill

[raw pewter]

Anything is edible if you're brave enough

[tiny socket]

Void is soup

[raw pewter]

Eat the pilgrims instead

[cloud plover]

yea

much more nutritious

pilgrim can last like 8 meals

[vague whale]

the hunter would do this

[tiny socket]

I’ll save pharloom by drinking the void

[edgy barn]

I just wish there was an explanation as to why the fleas ended up all over pharloom

[cloud plover]

true

something will happen with them in act 4 dlc idk what

[quick marten]

Disgraced chef Lugoli

[vague whale]

1. they dumb

[edgy barn]

Everything is edible, some things only once.

[raw pewter]

Mmm lava slug

[tiny socket]

I assume the caravan fell from the sky, thus explaining how they got to that random alcove in the marrow, which resulted in the fleas dispersing everywhere

[karmic tartan]

Appreciate your maskmakers

[cloud plover]

that is a logical and reasonable explanation

[tiny socket]

There’s no roads into pharloom

[raw pewter]

I like the Mask Maker(s), so cool

[cloud plover]

maskmaker my opp

might have to swiss cheese that mf

[karmic tartan]

Not mine it's from someone on Twitter I think the user is in the image

Nope uh hold on

[edgy barn]

What about the one the citadel bugs transporting Hornet at the start used

[raw pewter]

I still need an explanation for masks, are some bug heads also masks like the Knight?

[wheat basin]

https://fixupx.com/ttttrava/status/1969521520838836305

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[cloud plover]

yes some

i think a lot

[tiny socket]

That wasn’t a road, they trekked through the wilderness

[raw pewter]

Ok, so is it safe to assume that Masks are basically just removable helmets/heads for some of the bugs?

[tiny socket]

Picture hornet without a mask

[cloud plover]

i don’t know how removable they are

[tiny socket]

Stick figure

[cloud plover]

you can hit them off idk if you can willingly take them off

[wheat basin]

[tiny socket]

The mask maker changes their mask, but I think that’s an exception

[cloud plover]

does hornet have a mask?

isn’t that just her anatomy from the pk

[raw pewter]

Well Widow's round head got removed by GMS and now she wears a rag over her head

[tiny socket]

Should be black instead of white

[edgy barn]

Mask maker's mask is an actual mask

[karmic tartan]

@sealacanths

[karmic tartan]

YES APPRECIATE YOUR MASKMAKERS

[edgy barn]

Yes, that's what that body part is called

[cloud plover]

are you saying she was born with that mask or not

[edgy barn]

She was born like that

[cloud plover]

ok yea

[raw pewter]

So it is confirmed that masks are basically just faces/heads for bugs

[edgy barn]

Yes

And then you have masks as in

[raw pewter]

Oh my word I was confused about this for years, finally a confirmation

[edgy barn]

the thing you wear over your face

[cloud plover]

yea there are 2 slightly different definitions for masks in hk ig

[karmic tartan]

Styx is faceless and changes their mask

[tiny socket]

All I can say is masks are used so TC can draw bugs quicker

[karmic tartan]

Now where's the wind lore

[cloud plover]

or so that they look more human and relatable

[karmic tartan]

One of the cut NPCs had a bagpipe

[tiny socket]

Unfortunately Sage Candy Rock or just Andy has gone missing so we can’t get any conclusive answers

[raw pewter]

Now I am assuming that masks are a biological thing, but in some cases some bugs are born without, thus the existence for the Mask Makers

[cloud plover]

well

afaik masks by the mask maker are made to conceal the faces of bugs with beastly natures that were ascended into intelligence by the pale king

[tiny socket]

Mask makers say that all bugs deserve a mask, which supports that

[tiny socket]

This doesn’t work though because hallownest isn’t the only civilisation with masks

[cloud plover]

well shit

well yea

gms is a pale being

i assume it’s probably similar

[tiny socket]

Nuu doesn’t wear a mask does she

[cloud plover]

no

wait

yea nuu doesn’t

[raw pewter]

Snail Shamans also don't wear masks

[tiny socket]

Assists in easier kisses

[cloud plover]

snail shamans weren’t ascended into intelligence by a pale being though

[tiny sail]

how do I figure out what’s my current game completion % in my gamefile?

[neat sandal]

and Nuu look like snail too

[tiny socket]

Unn also doesn’t have a mask, so I assume they’re just unnecessary for those sorts of characters

[robust wagon]

You need to find a special item in act 3. Also you're in the wrong channel

[tiny sail]

ohh okay, mb

[raw pewter]

Is it necessary for bugs to be intelligent due to the existence of Pale Beings? I mean the ants were doing fine as a tribe before GMS came, same with the Mantis Tribe and Pale King

[cloud plover]

it’s necessary for those with beastly natures that were ascended by the pk

unn mind comes from its own intelligence

[tiny socket]

It’s unnecessary for slugs and snails, which are easier to draw faces for

[tiny sail]

How do I get to act 3? Just beat act 2 final boss?

[tiny socket]

First you silk, then you song. Go silksong

[robust wagon]

Once again, you're in the wrong channel

[left rivet]

WHAT IS TROBBIOS whirlwind attack made of?

[cloud plover]

wind maybe

[left rivet]

My theories are either his wings

[karmic tartan]

Do all quests then needolin final boss

[left rivet]

a very strong glitter tornado

or va lot of pirouette practice.

[left rivet]

tbf that would make sense

In which i would love him even more (He's master of 3 elements: Pyrotechnics; Glitter+Air; and the most important: the element of THEATER

[cloud plover]

he channels the pure power of theater into a whirlwind

[left rivet]

ya sounds like TROBBBBBBBIIIIIIIOOOOOOOO

[tiny socket]

When he pops up from the floor, he’s using the element of surprise

[left rivet]

He's so me-core (albeit i have no self-confidence and im nice to a fault a lot)

[cloud plover]

maybe trobbio was based after you

or you were based after trobbio

[valid compass]

Elder hu might be the same tribe as shakra

Omg

[cloud plover]

it is indeed possible

[slender rampart]

No shakra is a wasp

[cloud plover]

shakras master does not look like a wasp

[left rivet]

"Im so good i made a concept before it was even born"

/jk

[karmic tartan]

[ebon silo]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-jarvis-gif-8941055286815288113

[karmic tartan]

You are sentenced to the water

[odd holly]

[bright oyster]

back then they might not have come up with that idea yet, but silksong might have retconed it or maybe just reinforced it

in the first game mr mushroom says and I quote "wyrms pull bugs into their thrall, til ages pass and kingdoms fall"

we know from various other sources the pale king, a wyrm, gave sentience to the mindless bugs of hallownest

in silksong, we have the following quotes from the first sinner "cursed by Silk" and "cursed to know... the sin, the truth"

notice how she uses a Silk with capital S, referencing not the material but the person, grandmother Silk

being a weaver (being given silk abilities) is seen as a curse by the sinner, who learned they were actually given this ability by GMS which was supposedly a secret (why she was imprisoned)

this implies, and the wiki also suggests this, that the weavers were given sentience by GMS, and before that were simple mindless spiders

this brings us back to the point of wyrms enthralling bugs, and that being a pale being equals being a wyrm at some point

[limber anvil]

After looking at the trailers, files and ACMI development history maps I noticed something. (reason for the low quality images)

Pharloom bay was the location of the 4th town which can be seen in the initial Silksong trailer.
It was connected to Greymore and a cut area called the gloom which was replaced by Bilewater.
Its initial location yet the area is not complete and rather small.

Based upon the development maps it stayed in this location from from February 2019 until being removed between September 2021 and April 2022.

In may of 2022 verdania was moved from from where worm tunnels is to its current location where the bay used to be located.

Yet despite its removal by February 2023 the next map shows bilewater having 3 unused rooms above verdania in the empty space.The spring/waterfall which marks marks Shakra's masters grave was also added during this time. seemingly implying an area is planned for this empty location.

Most interesting these unused tunnels remain until august 7th 2025 less than 1 month before launch yet are removed from the final games map.

Although in the files for an area shape map for the bay area can be seen.

Which seems like it fits directly between Bilewater and Verdania.

This likely means that the space was left open in case they decided to add pharloom bay back... does this mean it will return as future DLC... I don't know but I can dream.

[bright oyster]

@uncut holly @cloud plover

[pure belfry]

are either the Pinstress or the Seamstress connected to the Void at all? I remember when I first met Seamstress in the game and there were what looked like Void particles floating around her house.

[lethal burrow]

no

[cloud plover]

what you’re saying makes sense, but why do we only hear about the pk being a wyrm when there are other pale beings. In your theory all pale beings would have foresight right? which we also only hear about with the pk

i don’t think it’s impossible i just think they would’ve given us this info already that all pale beings are wyrms

[limber anvil]

is garmond dead or very weak.... and resting?

[digital hemlock]

these are dust particles, and the way to tell usually is that dust particles fade in and out while void particles shrink

[cloud plover]

i think very strongly it’s the latter due to how the game ends and how his body never disappears

[craggy smelt]

I wish 'The Gloom' had been an area, that's so good...

[craggy smelt]

Garmond eventually leaves to hang out with Quirrel...

[limber anvil]

the gloom isnt that area... we have little to no info on it.

[craggy smelt]

I mean the name, I wish an area had been named that
any area, really

[limber anvil]

I see

[craggy smelt]

like 'The Mist...' very ominous sounding

[limber anvil]

gloom beast survived... becoming a void monster

[cloud plover]

the gloom is a way better name than bilewater

[regal moss]

How did skarsinger fall from power?

[cloud plover]

got old + lost motivation when gms took over everything

the latter is speculation

[regal moss]

journal says in her prime she rivals the skill of hornet but yeah ig she got old

[craggy smelt]

bilewater is still a really great name though...
also a great (looking) area
pretty challenging, I acknowledge...

[cloud plover]

i think bilewater is a great name in the sense that it embodies everything that makes you hate the area

but the gloom sounds wayyyyy cooler

[karmic tartan]

GLORY TO HALLOWNEST AND MAKE OCTOBER MASKMAKER APPRECIATION MONTH

[lean temple]

Sentience giving wasn't specified as a Wyrm ability, unlike foresight and transformations. Other beings created sentient tribes like Unn and the Raidance and neither are Wyrms, let alone Pale Beings. First Sinner was cursed with the knowledge of knowing the true origin of the Weavers which was what got her shunned and imprisoned. And I'm pretty sure the material Silk is named with a capital S in game sometimes.

[dry bridge]

Depends on the bug. Common bugs seem to need a source of mind (be they masks or the blessings of a higher being) but many groups in silksong (as well as a few from the first game) have mind without either without any real issue (Verdanians, the swamp dwellers in bilewater, snails, ants, the coral kin*, flies, etc.)

*might actually have masks? I know a couple dont but most of them are fully armoured.

[cold peak]

Ah yes, the buzzsaw investor

[cloud plover]

@lean temple i’m not sure if you were here but some dude confirmed that mizzelo was the unraveled

it’s in a psalm cylinder

[lean temple]

The operation one?

[cloud plover]

i think

you were the one i had this discussion with before right

[lean temple]

Hmm

It is found after beating the Unravelled

Interesting. I wonder what Mizello was up to

[cloud plover]

i guess it’s not direct confirmation but it’s confirmation in team cherries definition of the world lol

[lean temple]

So he stuffed himself full of souls?

Goodness

[foggy fractal]

yeah the psalm cylinder says Last surgery of Conductor Mizello, performed in Whiteward's operating theatre.
considering where the cylinder is and that we don't have any evidence to suggest that it isn't him I would say that its basically confirmed

[cloud plover]

idk if he did it or he’s long deceased and they just occupied his body

[craggy smelt]

sewing silk into himself, to try and live forever?
shades of Soul Sanctum...

[left rivet]

rly? I thought the unravelled was a mess of a buncha patients who acidentally fused their sutures together

[cloud plover]

the unraveled is that but the conductor possessed in the fight was mizzelo

[lean temple]

The wiki even says the same thing. I just looked

[dry bridge]

Note the helmet of the unravelled looks like a really big conductor one iirc

[left rivet]

which conductor (i havent actually fought them myself since i just watched video gameplay on yt

i know mizello thp

[cloud plover]

you only meet one

but you fight the reanimated body of mizello yea

ok wait

[cloud plover]

no mizello is the conductor

that was possessed

[craggy smelt]

Pavo mentions the memories of other beings when he was Haunted... probably all mixed up in the Soul taken from bugs and sewn into silk

Strange, sad memories, not my own, and my own thoughts smothered amidst the tangle.

[left rivet]

mizello was the guy who made the REALLY cursed psalm cylinder where he just is like "this is my job! :D" and just in the bg u hear someone literally physiclaly tortured

[craggy smelt]

probably the same with the Unraveled too, all these bits sewn into Mizello

[robust wagon]

Mizello is the one being operated on...

[valid compass]

Why did the conductors got sick tho

[craggy smelt]

they just got old

[left rivet]

Oh! THats even worse D:

[neat sandal]

because it is normal for people got sick tho

[left rivet]

i think maybe from normal sickness or from maybe their LITERAL SILK INFUSED BODY ATP

[valid compass]

the conductor who teaches us the song says he wouldntve picked up the job if he knew what were the consequences

[left rivet]

ya i mean he looks like hes on terminal life support or smt

[cloud plover]

i think he just got old like karmelita

[left rivet]

its actually pretty sad

[left rivet]

fair but the way he looks much more weaker and requires full silk medication to keep his body running

[cloud plover]

yes

i think that’s just cause he old lol

[valid compass]

Bri

[regal moss]

Will NKG visit pharloom since hes a "troupe"

[valid compass]

Lemme look up his dialogues

[cloud plover]

nkg is dead but the troupe might

[tiny socket]

NKG vs flea caravan when?

[left rivet]

no wait

[valid compass]

The new king will have a different name

[tiny socket]

Isn’t it called the Grimm troupe?

[cloud plover]

yea i guess reincarnated was the better word

[valid compass]

Maybe it will be called some other troupe

[regal moss]

Did hornet forget her memory when she left hallownest

[cloud plover]

no

[valid compass]

No

[tiny socket]

I assume Grimm is more of a title than a unique name

[cloud plover]

probably

titles and unique names also overlap very much

pk wl

[fossil ledge]

Karmelita, much like the other tribal rulers, was weakened by GMS taking over the region

[valid compass]

We might fight the 3rd or 4th incarnation post hollow knight if there's gonna be a Grimm troupe dlc

[cloud plover]

i don’t think silksong takes place that long after hk

[heavy falcon]

Is bellringer a viable slur

[regal moss]

In hk embrace the void ending would hornet get her ass beat by the Hollow knight?

[valid compass]

It is multiple bug lifetimes but yeah just a speculation

[cloud plover]

why do you think it’s multiple bug lifetimes

[dry bridge]

No, probably from a mix of hornet being a higher being, her being trapped in a warded carriage, and her being a weaverkin (who we know made the reverse journey)

[heavy falcon]

Hornet states in the journal she has had many partners, all of which died from age

[dry bridge]

Hornet is already rather old in the time of the first gave

[heavy falcon]

Bump

[cloud plover]

but hornet is already very old

[craggy smelt]

they're in pretty rough shape at that point, probably not

[cloud plover]

yea

[regal moss]

But what makes the knight stronger than hornet I thought its because hes made of void
Wouldnt the hollow knight also be stronger than hornet as he is too and hes been trained to perfection and hes also free of the radiance now

[valid compass]

It is implied a long time has passed since hallownest fell, and the fact that hornet outlived multiple of her partners.

[fast mesa]

But hallownest has fallen a lot before the first game started

[heavy falcon]

He was trained, but bro has been locked up for so long. Hornet is nimble so I think she can outdodge the big boy

[cloud plover]

hornet outlived multiple of her partners, it’s likely those partners existed in hallownests prime and not after the fall. it has been a long time since hallownest fell, but we have no idea how long it’s been since the end of the first game

hallownest fell long before the events of the first game

[valid compass]

Fell as incompletly destroyed. We still have some sane NPCs in hk

[lethal burrow]

no the hollow knight has 1 arm and needs their nail to stand

[heavy falcon]

Is bellringer a viable slur?

[fossil ledge]

It is for the Caretaker

[cloud plover]

what is viable

yes but no

[heavy falcon]

Lmao

[craggy smelt]

maybe if they can focus that arm back and recover a bit
get THK to a hotspring...

[cloud plover]

maybe so

[lethal burrow]

i ring out bells to get their bell juice

[heavy falcon]

I agree

[regal moss]

Pure vessel clears hornet tho 100 percent

if Skarsinger rivals hornets skill in her prime 100 percent

[cloud plover]

hey sorry, no low effort memes in the ss lore channel

[heavy falcon]

Ew imagine being a cleaner in bellhart and you tipped over a bell filled with piss

[valid compass]

Hmm the only argument I have against this is that hornet grew enough to stop saying slurs like "shaw" and that might've took a long time

[lethal burrow]

good thing it was very high effort

[cloud plover]

true

[cloud plover]

lmao maybe shaw was a slur

[heavy falcon]

I think bro stopped after being stomped by the knight lol

Twice even

[fast mesa]

It doesn't seem like hornet would find many partners in the way to pharloom also... and we don't know what she was doing before that neither where

[valid compass]

Do you guys think act 3 hornet could sleep the knight with all upgrades

[fossil ledge]

Hornet having partners is an interesting thing to think about, especially since Weavers refer to themselves as "sisters". Does this mean Weavers are an all-female species? Cause we know there's Weaver offspring in Deep Nest. Does this mean they reproduce via parthenogenesis? I suppose same gender relationships would be the norm then, but if so, Hornet wouldn't be outliving her partners so easily, right? Given how Weavers are also implied to be long-lived. Unless her pale being genes extend her life indefinitely, while Weavers' is ultimately finite

[regal moss]

nah

[cloud plover]

yea i’m p sure a dlc will fill in the gap in the storyline before ss and after hk

[regal moss]

if hornet = prime skarsinger then she aint even that strong

I think the hunter could wipe hornet

[valid compass]

I hate that every argument will fall in favour of the knight because he is part void

[cloud plover]

yea

if we just talk about base game knight vs base game hornet idk

[regal moss]

is hornet a vessel?

[fossil ledge]

We have a canon altercation between Hornet and the Hunter, though

[cloud plover]

spells are pretty op tho

[regal moss]

i mean the hunter

[cloud plover]

soul seems stronger than silk

[cloud plover]

nah they just look weird lol

[regal moss]

void is def the strongest
Voidbeast literally pulls up and just abuses the radiance like its nothing leaving it screaming in pain

[cloud plover]

yea for sure

[regal moss]

Partvoid = meta
which is why i think the hollowknight even with one arm would destroy hornet

[cloud plover]

voids problem is that it doesn’t have a will

so it’s just a ridiculous amount of power with no reason to do anything with it

[cold peak]

*had

[honest anvil]

i mean she could be dating literally any bug. maybe she met a really cute fly (lives for like 3 days)

[cold peak]

Voidhearttttt

[left rivet]

The ritual in hk was to preserve the nkg heart; Your grimmchild will be the NEXT grimm, and the cycle will repeat.

[valid compass]

Even if hornet wins everything will explode if hornet wins cuz radiance would come everywhere

[cloud plover]

well after silksong we know that not all of the void is unified under tk

[craggy smelt]

until they kicked its ass

[dry bridge]

True ending confirms that voidheart has a rather limmited range within the void I think, the knight isn't in control of the whole void at all times. It does respect them as the (potential?) shade lord though.

[fossil ledge]

True, but what I'm saying is that Hornet makes it a point that her issue with dating is outliving her partners.

[valid compass]

If void is so overpowered then it should be that even the shade lord can only have control of the void to a certain extent

[fast mesa]

Did you notice that hornet had no way to know that there was an Abyss under Pharloom but she was certain there was one when she decided to dive with the diving bell? I don't remember if the shamans told her but I'm pretty sure not

[craggy smelt]

the Void threads coming up from beneath Pharloom were a big clue

[valid compass]

Yes

[left rivet]

i mean remember the knight and his siblings only show up when they recognize hornet and the delicate flower in the void and physically attack the void itself; They are not the entire void, just a being within it

[fossil ledge]

I feel like the void acts more in line with how gods were depicted in antiquity. They had control over a certain element like the sea, and could command it if they wanted to, but it otherwise just stuck to its nature and did its thing

[craggy smelt]

then she comes across the shadow creepers and was like 'yep, this shit is everywhere...'

[valid compass]

After finding the abyss in one of the hunter journals that she would find the abyss anywhere if she went deep enough

[left rivet]

i wonder how the shadow creepers eat and live???

[craggy smelt]

they live without eating, going by the journals

[left rivet]

Do they like literally sustain themselves off the chaotic energy

[cold peak]

They do not

[left rivet]

thx

[fast mesa]

So it's a global thing?

[craggy smelt]

possibly they've adapted to be sustained by the Void alone

[left rivet]

thats interesting

[valid compass]

Hmm true

[cloud plover]

shadow creepers are not alive

[fossil ledge]

I believe the implication is they subsist directly on soul, which they absorb from the surrounding air

[valid compass]

Yes

[left rivet]

ah! soul master would love to know that

[left rivet]

that makes sense

[regal moss]

what are the strongest bugs
Mantis?
ants?
Beetles and weavers?

[craggy smelt]

shadow creepers still yield Soul, so they aren't like true Void beings

[cloud plover]

where can i find this

wiat by shadow creepers

yea i’m trippping

[ebon silo]

It's like lava its there and it's here and that's it if you touch you just die

[cloud plover]

i thought you meant void tendrils

[left rivet]

theres only vessels; and the entity aka ghost

(ghost=the knight)

[craggy smelt]

also the Collector

[fossil ledge]

Don't forget void constructs like the Wingmoulds, Kingsmoulds and the Collector

[cloud plover]

we don’t really know if you always die if you touch it, we just know it’s dangerous af

[craggy smelt]

the moulds do give Soul, though that's probably due to their shells containing it

[left rivet]

ya i think it says somewhere the wingmoulds are in pain cuz their contained or smt

[fossil ledge]

Shells are needed for the void to contain soul, otherwise it seems to dissipate

[valid compass]

Imagine if there a mob called shadow creeper in minecraft that would be pretty stressful

[craggy smelt]

something about a tortured mix of Void and Soul

[cloud plover]

collector gives no soul on hit

[dry bridge]

Also void-possessed corpse amalgams like summoned savior or the void masses in act 3

[fossil ledge]

Yes

[ancient dock]

Baby

[fossil ledge]

We see the effects void has on common bugs in both games though. Whether or not it is immediate is hard to say, though

[left rivet]

ya team cherry just pulled a "o ya void can do that we forgor sorry hallownest doesnt have that problem :)"

[left rivet]

WAT IS THAT DIALOGUE CUTOFF

[cloud plover]

yea it’s definitely a bad thing it just manifests in different ways

like in silksong it possesses bugs

never does that in hk

[left rivet]

ya

[fossil ledge]

I believe this is because of Grand Mother Silk

[left rivet]

only cuz ur the knight

[cloud plover]

ur right that is why

[fast mesa]

maybe because it's mostly contained in the abyss

[left rivet]

and void is rly rare above the abyss

[craggy smelt]

in Silksong the Void is duplicating the effects of the Haunting, via the silk
in the original game, it duplicates the Soul spells

[fossil ledge]

Keep in mind that the void tendrils we see everywhere are covering GMS' silk strands

[cold peak]

Though there are corpses that died because of the void in hk

[lavish needle]

What is the name of the protagonist

[valid compass]

Do you guys remember what hornet says about the void post act 2 like how she sensed it or something when she first arrived to pharloom

[left rivet]

her name is shaw

[cloud plover]

that’s true we don’t know if the void possessed them though or just killed them instantly

[ebon silo]

Wrong server

[lavish needle]

My bad I though it was Hegale

[left rivet]

i havent got there lemme ask my little bro hes in act 3

[ancient dock]

I’m glad that they actually canonised this always thought Hornet fought like Hive Knight

[fossil ledge]

It would seem their mind was affected first before dying. Both the holder of the love key and the lighthouse keeper seem to confirm this

[left rivet]

nvm he says he doesnt look at the lore 🙁

[valid compass]

Play the game cuh there's a lot of spoilers in here

[lavish needle]

Why already know she fought in in hk before ss ?

[cloud plover]

i don’t remember their dream nails what do they say

[heavy falcon]

Vespa the goat

[vague whale]

🅱️ornet

[left rivet]

too bad im a professional spoiler watcher

i know way too much

[regal moss]

the game is better with spoilers

[left rivet]

i alr love trobbio just from watching his yt videos (I could fight him)

[dry bridge]

Seconded, its because theyre connected to gms via the silk and shes in a massive pool of void lashing out across the kingdom providing a great conduit for the void to travel into bugs & take over them

[left rivet]

Trobbio is so me-core

[lavish needle]

[ancient dock]

Yeah I a sequel

[fossil ledge]

The holder of the love key mentions how spending too much time with the Collector they become as one. The lighthouse keeper apologizes to the Pale King, claiming the void sea is calling

[valid compass]

Lmao

[cloud plover]

ok gotcha

[valid compass]

I said horney

[regal moss]

is pale king alive?

[valid compass]

Without the e

[lavish needle]

I’d love a fight between them in a dlc like a memento or dream battle…

[cloud plover]

so it seems that direct contact with the void does lead to possession

[cold peak]

I still wonder how Vespa is that small, yet we see her gigantic corpse in the background of the hive knight fight

[left rivet]

ok bro.

[fossil ledge]

Yes, but it seems to be relatively brief, resulting in guaranteed death

[vague whale]

Her name is Hornet

[lean temple]

That was her normal size, she just kept growing afterwards

[heavy falcon]

Spoilers are just teasers for the real spoiler: the experience

[left rivet]

she might be a higher being? she could age

[ancient dock]

Guessing because she a queen bee

[left rivet]

like very powerful

[left rivet]

thats a good explanation

[lean temple]

Not really. Karmelita is similarly big

[cold peak]

In Silksong's case it's due to the actual thread and silk that's already possessing most bugs in pharloom

[lavish needle]

How many times they took to release the first dlc after hk ?

[cloud plover]

its due to contact with the void through the silk

[valid compass]

3 times

[cold peak]

Aye

[fossil ledge]

It will probably be months before we see anything about a DLC

[cloud plover]

the silk just allowed the void to come into contact with the bugs

[lethal burrow]

Hoorn het

[lavish needle]

Sorry I wanted to say how long…my brain isn’t braining

[left rivet]

o ya. But still both are very powerful remember: Karmelita's entry shows how good of a leader she was; Single-handeley preventing her ants from succumbing to haunting AND keeping the environment alive

[cloud plover]

i assume silksong dlcs will come out quicker than hks given how much demand there is

[regal moss]

genuinley im thinking this guy would lose to NOBODY in pharloom name one person that can take him

[lavish needle]

Pls give more lore of my goat trobbio in dlc

[left rivet]

PLZ LET TROBBIO BE AN NPC OR A PLAYABLE CHARACTER I WANNA USE HIS TORNADO ATTACK AND LITERALLY THEATHER KID ENEMIES OUT OF EXISTENCE

[valid compass]

I really wish we can have a post void pharloom where no one is possessed anymore even though many people died

[cloud plover]

if we got a trobbio dlc i would be so pissed 😭

[lavish needle]

Who could take bro ? He’s literally a vessel for a GOD 😭

[fast mesa]

she could have not always been a queen (does this phrasing make sense in english i'm brazillian lol). when she's training hornet she seems to have a role more alike to the hive knight

[heavy falcon]

Bro could solo GMS

[lean temple]

It seems some bugs just grow very large later in life. I wonder if the Mantis Lords will do or have done the same

[fossil ledge]

I doubt it, considering they're already very long lived

[vague whale]

same

[cloud plover]

yea it’s weird because it only applies to certain bugs

like vespa is huge but karmelita is the same size

[heavy falcon]

They're the same height??

[cloud plover]

could be that not as much time has passed

[left rivet]

i mean ya his attacks do like rng but you gotta hand it to him he's just rly passionate

[cold peak]

I just hope if embrace the void ending is canon, that we get to see THK alive and that they get some sort of closure

[regal moss]

if this ending was actually canon hornet would die here ion even think it matters that he just got released or has one arm

[left rivet]

and vain too

[lean temple]

Karmelita is bigger than her memory, although not as big as Vespa I don't think

[cloud plover]

no i mean old karmelita is the same size as young karmelita

[left rivet]

no way! the hollow knight would have known hornet from its past... right???

[heavy falcon]

Even if hornet lost, she would've fled away before getting stomped

[dry bridge]

Given how old hornet is, I could see this being pretty reasonable, like her mother is still alive at the time maybe

[cold peak]

I mean we didn't see its shade in the true ending of silksong.

[fossil ledge]

This implies they'd even fight

[lavish needle]

Maybe they weren’t fighting and just take some free time together ^^

[lethal burrow]

fayhorn maybe

[left rivet]

imagine if thk comes as a dlc: then itll completely limit hk's canon ending to 4 or 5

[cloud plover]

yea nvm old karmelita is really big

[regal moss]

who

[cloud plover]

i mistook her head for her whole body

[lethal burrow]

would they do 4 or 3 dmg to hornet

[cold peak]

Possibly a scuffle, but given how THK would be dazed, confused, and still missing an arm, it would end in probably a draw

[left rivet]

OR thk comes from void; then all 3 "fight radiance" endings are valid

[valid compass]

Oh yeah I have this theory of how thk actually came out really depressed and hornet had to be the therapist to say that it's ok to not be empty and they spend quite some time together

[lavish needle]

I won’t understand why he would come in a dlc, he has nothing to do in pharloom

[lethal burrow]

bird

[left rivet]

thk's thoughts "wait why am i free and why is there no infection?"

[dry bridge]

This assumes either party are intending for killing blows tbh

[left rivet]

true

[regal moss]

minimum 3 lowkey

[lavish needle]

Yeah and they lived a long and happy live together ^^

[cloud plover]

pharlooms story is basically over, hallownest dlc is very possible

[left rivet]

hornet can tell if thk is infected; The orange things arent in him anymore!

[lethal burrow]

ye that comes free with the question being "3 or 4"

[lavish needle]

Yeah but wouldn’t that be…boring ? I mean we already know all of hallownest map

[gray obsidian]

Whassup with seth

[cloud plover]

it would be so sick, we would learn what happened to hallownest after the events of the game

there is a clear gap between hk and silksong

[gray obsidian]

Why is he so op

[valid compass]

If the pharloom story continues then it's definitely gonna be how hornet creates a new kingdom in her vision in place of pharloom

[lethal burrow]

what's right of hallownest crown

[regal moss]

i'd say 3 for his nail hits 4 for anything else

[dry bridge]

Well unless the expansioms introduce an act 4, they don't need to worry about that. Hk's stuff was all extras in the world rather than epilogue (though, an epilogue story would be neat)

[cloud plover]

exactly and this wouldn’t take long enough for it to span like 4 dlcs

[left rivet]

Hornet becomes the girlboss again

[lavish needle]

Yeah but even if the ennemies and lore change,exploring would be boring imo

[left rivet]

that she always was

[cold peak]

Seth's a character based on a fan/Kickstarter who tragically passed away due to cancer in 2019 before the game could release

[left rivet]

UNLESS they add like a ton of new routes

[fast mesa]

the outside of kingdom's edge tent

[gray obsidian]

Mount fay

[regal moss]

what could the hallownest dlc even be

[lavish needle]

Yeah

[left rivet]

remember its 2d theres so much

[dry bridge]

I dont think hornet wants to be a monarch

[gray obsidian]

Ok but why is he so powerful?

[cloud plover]

i don’t think we would have access to the entirety of hallownest, just maybe kingdoms edge and the hive

[cold peak]

Why not

[lavish needle]

But the dlc for hk wasn’t really referring to the lore of hallownest ? Or I just talking sht

[gray obsidian]

From what ive heard after i beat him, theres a boss after?

[runic musk]

90% sure it was a Make a Wish thing not a backer thing

[cloud plover]

it was

[left rivet]

notice 2d allows u to add details without u exploring them; Hornet could take completely new hallownest routes like new crystal peak areas new queen's garden areas; the possibilities for world-building are endless+ hallownest and pharloom trade+historical connections could be explored

[cloud plover]

boss is easier than him tbh

[valid compass]

When she said that she meant she specifically doesn't want to replace gms like how she does in the ending. I'm talking about what the white lady says to hornet in Red Memory

[gray obsidian]

yeah

[cold peak]

Right, my bad

[runic musk]

I asked the similar question before for clarity

[lethal burrow]

they could just flip the map

[gray obsidian]

Lowk they shouldve made seth a fun challenge, like gms or last judge not like super hars

hes a bit stronger than markoth

[left rivet]

hornet knows that her instinct is to dominate: If she become a monarch she would eventually corrupt by power and her own higher being instinct

[cold peak]

Compared to some other bosses or even enemies in the game he really isn't though. He only has 1 or 2 attacks that do double damage, and thankfully contact damage isn't double mask damage

[cloud plover]

tbh i didn’t find him extremely hard compared to some other bosses

[lavish needle]

Yeah I know but I said that in case we already know all of the hallownest area. Probably the developper create some others area we couldn’t explore with the knights movement

[left rivet]

void dripping from ceiling no thx

[cloud plover]

he was on the difficult side but not top 5

[gray obsidian]

I prefer groal

[cloud plover]

that is where we fundamentally disagree

[runic musk]

Seth was a decent fight but tbh I did kind of forget him quickly outside finding him in other places/flea festival

[left rivet]

o ya HORNET ASCENDS WITH GORB

[gray obsidian]

Really?

He has a super easy cheese

[left rivet]

Hornet can ascend using silk soar (Gorb was forshadowing all along)

[cloud mesa]

what do you think the significance is of weavers having farsight

[gray obsidian]

Js stay on the right platform

[lavish needle]

He’s not really hard but he’s that type of boss you need to 1/2 hits then focus on dodge,not spamming more hit

[lethal burrow]

i wish we got a version of the pharloom map that looks like the kickstarter hallownest one

[cloud plover]

ok yea in terms of difficulty groal prob isn’t that hard especially considering cheese

i just meant i would never want to fight groal over another boss lol

[left rivet]

their semi-divine, as staed in story i think

[cloud plover]

especially seth

[left rivet]

alr bye bye lore comms guys bye bye

[lavish needle]

Fun fact : they won’t add any dlc so no new places in pharloom or hallownest

[left rivet]

and remember: ||TROBBBBIIIIIIIOOOOOOOO|| is watching u. He will come for u with fireworks smoke bombs and glitter tornados

[cloud plover]

you are getting your info from the wrong source twin

[dry bridge]

I forget where you snag farsight tbh, but if it was in a weavenest, it was probably to keep tabs on the citadel's agents while they hid.

[lavish needle]

Trust

[cold peak]

That is neither fun nor an absolute fact

[lethal burrow]

it is void weavenest

[cloud mesa]

do we think the weaver's artifical farsight is related to wyrms?

[dry bridge]

Ah yeah then it definitely was used either to keep tabs on the outside world or it was in that nest specifically as part of their void experiments, like trying to peer down into the void

[cloud mesa]

this looks like cast off shell ish

[valid compass]

But this is what the dream of the three mothers and hornet was, to be better and make a better place than hallownest. The higher being are so out of touch they couldn't even put in words what they wanted. Hornet's ultimate goal is to build a better place than hallownest or pharloom

[cloud plover]

farsight is not foresight twin

[lethal burrow]

farsight≠foresight

[left rivet]

ya she could def do that

[dry bridge]

And hornet entrusts pharloom's future to others, namely im remembering a bit of sherma dialogue where she tells him that he'll have to lead the people of songclave in the future

[cloud mesa]

oop

[wary plover]

So people here are saying hornet takes double damage because hornet is weaker? Does that mean the knight will only take half damage from some of the enemies

[cloud plover]

yea iirc hornet suspects her pale nature will take over if she became the monarch

[dry bridge]

She herself states that she's a child of hallownest, and calls that land home not pharloom.

[valid compass]

Hornet takes double damage because game design

[cold peak]

Kinda reminds me of the gauntlets of the Witch King in Lord of the Rings films

[cloud mesa]

all of the void infected bugs in silksong have more health, so probably the knight does too

[fast mesa]

yeah but the farsight gives you foresight on how much of the game you're missing lol

[cloud plover]

the farsight gives you foresight which gives you more sight

did you like my poem 🙂

[cold peak]

I see

(I do not)

[cloud plover]

wow

that is not cool