sk-lore

[limber anvil]

Yeah

[sacred heath]

truth VOID PORTAL

[silk dirge]

kinda like the ending of inception

[limber anvil]

Same

[silk dirge]

tho the ending of inception wasnt super ambiguous

[tawdry flare]

silksong roguelike bossrush. thoughts

[silk dirge]

quirrel rogue like

[tawdry flare]

no, roguelike

[limber anvil]

Silksong godhome apparently has datamined references...

[tawdry flare]

God's Glory or whatever

[foggy fractal]

also what's going on with Seth lore wise ? who tasked him to guard Nyleth's shrine ? Nyleth themselves presumably ?

[limber anvil]

That is one of them

[glossy badger]

Would be super cool if he shows up

[sacred heath]

the reason he restarts the run is because he forgot because HE’S OLD 🗣️

[limber anvil]

Fair

[limber anvil]

Wonder what the final boss added in godehome would be XD

[silk dirge]

the silksong

[edgy barn]

A GMS variant I would hope

[limber anvil]

Boring.

[glossy badger]

Lace 4 radiant lace

[edgy barn]

The one with fight is kind of underwhelming

[silk dirge]

oh yeah that was kinda disappointing silksong didnt have a title drop

[tawdry flare]

GMS but good would be cool

[sacred heath]

Herrah

[limber anvil]

Grandmother silk isn't even the true final blss

[teal finch]

radiant groal

[silk dirge]

its a very minor thing but a title drop would be epic

[edgy river]

If we get new bosses for godhome like the nail masters in HK who would it be?

[limber anvil]

Runback included?

[edgy river]

Like old chars, new bosses

[teal finch]

of course

[lament ledge]

hello fellow humans how are you

[edgy river]

Maybe the void shamans would be nice

[limber anvil]

She is the final boss not the true final boss that belongs to lost lace

[glossy badger]

Twisted child is the true ending

[tawdry flare]

Pinstr- wait

[silk dirge]

im about to commit crimes against stillkin

[limber anvil]

Yeah no

[silk dirge]

those mfs deserved everything that happened to them

[edgy river]

They make u fight everyone in this game

U fighting the fast travel method now you have nothing for DLC

[limber anvil]

No if I could I would force feed every single one to the frog and watch the boss explode

[edgy barn]

Is there anywhere you can find the second sentinel after their boss fight?

[granite ice]

Anyone have any idea on what exactly caused the haunting? Like pharloom was a functioning kingdom before mother silk started haunting, right?

[edgy barn]

Or are they just gone

[glossy badger]

Why are we voring silksong bosses

[limber anvil]

Cut content... Steel assassins and coral forest biome so not everyone

[edgy river]

The final boss of a Gauntled being the knight as shade lord would be insane tho. Idk which tomfoolery they would have to bring up to make that make sense

[foggy fractal]

found his sprites

[tawdry flare]

They should still be fighting around the Citadel iirc

[limber anvil]

No I would force feed groul all the stillkin and watch them explode from eating yo much

[limber anvil]

Find any unused sprites?

[glossy badger]

[foggy fractal]

nah man 😭 I'm just grabbing files and showing them that'd take programming and a lot of work replacing every Hornet sprite

[tawdry flare]

have you seen the vespa sprites

[limber anvil]

Nope

[foggy fractal]

https://mega.nz/folder/nu5GjLxD#JB92f7G2YKa1ms9i6erftw you could take a look yourself

[tawdry flare]

someone's already working on a skin mod

[severe siren]

Im telling yall vespa will be brought back as a memory boss for this game’s godhome equivalent

[limber anvil]

Ty

[edgy river]

I have the programing silks just not the energy or will to do it. Someone will I believe in you people!!!

Skills*

[silk dirge]

pantheon of pharloom is actually going to be wild if it happens

[tawdry flare]

no dont say that because then TC will try to add a quirrel boss

[foggy fractal]

ok I COULD probably figure it out
that'd take too much effort tho someone else do it 🙏

[severe siren]

I called it even before i saw the vespa sprites

[silk dirge]

no one is ever beating that shit

[granite ice]

Her cocoon was also the symbol of the kingdom, seemingly before the haunting... So she was probably cocooned during the prime of pharloom

[edgy river]

I hope if pantheons ever come out it have a completely different aesthetic and reasons, no godseekers

[severe siren]

Symphony of Pharloom

[silk dirge]

do you not know how many special sprites hornet has

[foggy fractal]

also heres the Vespa sprites

[tawdry flare]

thats not how sprite replacement works

[silk dirge]

hornet has a fucking massive sprite sheet

[tawdry flare]

Massive?

[glacial citrus]

is widow just a contorted version of one of these like how pharlids are for weavers

[severe siren]

Her using a stinger for her combos is devious work

[silk dirge]

i doubt we will being seeing any skin mods any time soon

[tawdry flare]

widow is a weaver

[foggy fractal]

nah I didn't datamine it
someone in the hollow knight wiki server did iirc
earliest example of someone posting it here is by the user Sumwan
they seem to have deleted the original message tho, could've been they wanted or oganize the files ? unsure

[edgy river]

More likely they bring back teso to be smashed again by another monster

[silk dirge]

yes she has so many different abilities and sprites for those

[sinful nimbus]

he's too cool

[edgy river]

Thatd be hilarious actually plz do this TC

[silk dirge]

tiso revival scene

[granite ice]

The flower being there is very interesting... Maybe she planned of having hornet prove herself to claim it?

In the memory section

[foggy fractal]

nah, not many people know about it tho it seems
and its not the most organized thing in the world so it takes some digging, its not too bad you can take a look through it yourself

[silk dirge]

im glad silksong has spritesheets tho

do you know how celeste has it

[foggy fractal]

apparently it was available day 1 too, we just didn't know about it

[silk dirge]

its actually so bad

[granite ice]

First image, bottom left

[silk dirge]

celeste has every animation frame as a different file

[foggy fractal]

day 1 as in datamined day 1, we just didn't know

[silk dirge]

its actually wild

[granite ice]

Lmao that's fucking wild

[severe siren]

This is the world map icon for Barnacle Bay

[silk dirge]

idk how they managed it

[craggy smelt]

one day

(barnacle bay)

[rain spindle]

What do yall think of the marrow

[tawdry flare]

#1408110084600627280 message
https://gyazo.com/9d96dee57f6c0c6741eefc7d5af7f60c

[severe siren]

This is the save file art for Barnacle Bay as well, in the menu

[silk dirge]

ok cloak recoloring is easy

[tawdry flare]

ok well the mod itself seems to be close to done

[silk dirge]

making a completely new spritesheet is not happening soon

cloak recoloring is literally just using the paint bucket tool

[tawdry flare]

you said skin MOD not skins....

[covert tusk]

I love how the relics are actually readable here, makes the world feel bigger and there’s more reason to collect them all

[foggy fractal]

excuse the quality but was this sprite in game ? I don't recall him lying down

[silk dirge]

true but i didnt imagine someone would be making a cloak recoloring

i had a specific thing in mind

[granite ice]

No I think it's just a memory section and her having the flower is more metaphorical. Literally gatekeeping it by preventing ber from going deeper into the memory until she has proven berself

[foggy fractal]

he can do that ??

[severe siren]

TC shouldve performed the Fromsoft level 1 class trope, and given us a crest where Hornet is naked and uses the slab sequence moveset

[foggy fractal]

what

yeah which he doesn't do

[granite ice]

That would be great lmao

[foggy fractal]

he just flies into the water

[spark valve]

wrretch's crest

[granite ice]

Does the memory sequence show hornet binding the weavers in hallownest to herself, or did they just leave?

[limber anvil]

OK so the unused ending is labeled ending a internally interesting and has a cut achivement

[tawdry flare]

they just leave

[silk dirge]

are there any removed cutscenes

[severe siren]

Likely the older version of the vanilla ending

Hornet likely was supposed to change during the binding sequence

[silk dirge]

also speaking of cutscenes i got something really weird that happened to me

[spark valve]

achievement description would suggest that

[severe siren]

But instead we get the insane crest HUD

[silk dirge]

i got to act 2 through phantom so i got that cutscene so i expected not to get the act 2 cutscene when i did last judge

[severe siren]

Mfs are 100% gonna mod in that crest

[silk dirge]

but i saw another video where someone got both the phantom and last judge act 2 cutscenes

[severe siren]

Its just godmode crest

[sacred heath]

which is peak btw

[granite ice]

Any definitive reason for that, or just speculation?

[silk dirge]

i would guess that maybe is just a glitch?

bc i dont think you are supposed to get both act 2 cutscenes in the same playthrough

[tawdry flare]

its a flashback they vanished the same way vespa vanished idk

[spark valve]

increased silk heart regen moveset involves throwing the needle on a thread

[foggy fractal]

Grand Mother Crest 🥶

[foggy fractal]

also her silk pool gets fucking massive

no extra masks tho lmaoooo

[silk dirge]

yeah

[severe siren]

Fuck it, have six white tool slots bur your needle is completely gone and instead you have passive silk generation

[tawdry flare]

i do not think Rune Rage is pacifism

[spark valve]

the only issue is that shaman crest already is this in addition to a crazy moveset

[glossy badger]

That's just cog flies

[granite ice]

Yeah but it kinda looks like they disappear as hornet uses her silk more. And the phrase "prove you are more weaver than.." makes me think maybe they are trying to make her more weaver?

Absorbing weavers is not really that odd of a concept for hornet, I wonder if she did it in the past before pharloom

[severe siren]

Vesticrest would let you use the volt thing to make this even crazier

[glossy badger]

And a funny heal that can get you stuck if you try to do it down into another room

[spark valve]

we don't talk about the shaman heal

[severe siren]

Six white skill slots?

Thats what i thought

[spark valve]

3 is plenty and you can use weavelight to automatically generate enough silk to spam

[severe siren]

Lowkey that flea tool (not fleabrew) would be pretty good

The one where all skills are cheaper at max health

[granite ice]

Damn we really not be talking about lore huh

[long fox]

Y'all is there a way to refight dream bosses, skarrsinger is so fun

[spark valve]

no

[severe siren]

When people talk about lore its mostly about the retcons

[long fox]

When pantheons

I wanna radiant skarrsinger

[silk dirge]

red memory slander should be bannable

[granite ice]

Dang, I wanna actually talk about some mystery

[spark valve]

that's a trigger word atp why would you even

[severe siren]

I liked red memory

Throws off the HK1 lore yes but i dont care anymore

[silk dirge]

have your complaints about other stuff the moment you say red memory is bad you are just wrong in my eyes

[foggy fractal]

anything you want specifically ? you could take a look for yourself

[granite ice]

What retcons?

[spark valve]

red memory was fine the herrah part was really the only standout good part

[foggy fractal]

https://mega.nz/folder/nu5GjLxD#JB92f7G2YKa1ms9i6erftw/folder/LzYmRRBS

[silk dirge]

can we not do this right now

[severe siren]

Oh no

[silk dirge]

the message with white lady was goated wtf

[granite ice]

Bruh chill

[severe siren]

Ykw i have myself to blame

[limpid summit]

The WL part was really good because they started talking
The dialogue? Eh whatever

[glossy badger]

Average shaman heal moment

[silk dirge]

like i dont care if its a "generic theme" its relatable and i love it

[severe siren]

Do share i love me some mystery

[silk dirge]

like for me red memory absolutely was better than abyss climb

by a lot

[severe siren]

How was this not playtested

[granite ice]

What actually caused the haunting to begin and for mother silk to seek out the weavers back

[foggy fractal]

I don't think so all of her sprites seems to be used

[silk dirge]

red memory literally left me shaking the entire day

[foggy fractal]

blame Simo and Benji

[silk dirge]

no one is ever taking that away from me

[foggy fractal]

they are literally in this server

we can get to them.

👹

[limpid summit]

Stay back, twisted leech! Even lodged within another's shell, your ravenous nature shines clear.

Dude Eva HATES the bud

I wonder why

[glossy badger]

0 clue they should totally fix it by making it so shaman can heal midair

[granite ice]

Woah cool, does she have unique dialogue for other stuff?

[tawdry flare]

are simo and benji responsible for savage beastfly 2

[spark valve]

yes personally

[tawdry flare]

No....

[limpid summit]

Besides memory lockets, she reacts when you have the Lifeblood regeneration thing

[severe siren]

Does benji voice benjin

[silk dirge]

why does shaman have the weirdass heal anyway

[foggy fractal]

go ask him.

[glossy badger]

That's cool

[granite ice]

What does she say?

[foggy fractal]

🐺

[limpid summit]

She says you’re infested with “that which reshapes the world in its image” and you can’t come any further into the nest

I mean she can’t actually stop you but she’s super distressed

[glossy badger]

I love all the lifeblood teasers

[severe siren]

In HIS image???

[limpid summit]

Its image not his image

[severe siren]

Oh

[limpid summit]

No LBB mention 💔

[foggy fractal]

yeah that attack is wild

[granite ice]

Does she say "it" or "It" btw

[limpid summit]

Lowercase i

[glossy badger]

Lifeblood corrupting pharloom is so cool but it does feel kinda bad that it's hornets fault

[limpid summit]

Come no closer! I sense the forbidden blood coursing through you, that which grows and reshapes the world in its own vulgar image.
Whether it was imbibed willingly or not, none shall be allowed into this chamber while so afflicted. Begone!

[severe siren]

Nahhh zyolotl wouldve caused it anyway

[tawdry flare]

does it happen in act 3 if you dont help zyolotl

[limpid summit]

It’s Zangos fault

[severe siren]

Biker’s fault

[glossy badger]

Oh you're right actually

[spark valve]

funniest npc name ever btw

named bro after a sugar substitute

[silk dirge]

william pellen ahh

[granite ice]

I thought it was supposed to be like axolotl because of his head shape

[glossy badger]

Zyolotl still being alive but permanently paralysed is kinda funny

[severe siren]

My first thought was axolotl cause yeah the head shape

[granite ice]

Deserved

[limpid summit]

My favorite npc name has gotta be leg eater cause he gets eaten besides his legs

[glossy badger]

Thinking about it now its still hornets fault for not killing him on sight

[granite ice]

True

[severe siren]

How dare his assistant die on him

[foggy fractal]

probably ? theres also some other bosses that have red sprites/a sprite of just their outlines in red which is odd ?

[granite ice]

Is there any npc we can actually kill? Ik we threaten some, but do we get to act on that?

[severe siren]

DEEP OF NIGHT

[glossy badger]

Garmond ig

[granite ice]

Eh, doesn't count

[limpid summit]

You can kill Pilby by inaction

[rigid vale]

The first ending feels unfulfilling to me, is hornet just going to stay there forever

[severe siren]

You can indirectly kill huntress

[spark valve]

it's not supposed to be fulfilling it's the bad ending

[granite ice]

Nah I mean kill characters that are unwilling to help hornet like how she threatens vaultkeeper and ballow

[limpid summit]

Seemingly, unless something else happens to kill her

[severe siren]

And indirectly kill many npcs actually

[rain spindle]

Zhe turns into Mother Silk

[limpid summit]

It’s bleak just like the Hollow Knight ending

[sacred heath]

I dont think you can kill Kratt after you catch him peeping but you can beat the shit out of him

[glossy badger]

Oh yeah the witch dies when you give it the twisted bud and you can destroy it in its root form

[rugged storm]

do the memory bosses count

technically idk

[severe siren]

We should be able to kill kratt

[granite ice]

Exactly

[glossy badger]

Yeah we do kill green prince

[sacred heath]

true…

[foggy fractal]

how much aura.

[glossy badger]

Why do we kill him

[granite ice]

Yeah

[severe siren]

Hitting the absolute cinema pose

[rugged storm]

cause he's sad

[limpid summit]

Absolute Silkema

[spark valve]

nobody has ever gotten hit by this attack tho

[silk dirge]

i have

[glossy badger]

Imagine you're grieving your lover and someone invades your mind and kills you and takes your heart to put it on their shelf

[severe siren]

I didnt even know this attack existed until i saw people playing the fight

[modest coyote]

i cant believe pharloom feeds disabled people to the fucking broodmother

[limpid summit]

This attack genuinely killed me twice during my cursed fight

[rugged storm]

I mean its kinda bittersweet

[granite ice]

Btw, are the weavers head circular or is it just a mask? Bc first sinner implies their mask grew like that bc of the bug they were originally, but widow implies it's just a mask

[spark valve]

gms wants to be vahram so bad 😭

[modest coyote]

like this is part of the lore one of the lore tablets says "sin: infirmity, absolution: swallowing: resolution: penance after death"

[limpid summit]

In HK we thought they had those heads but in SS it’s revealed that they are masks

As we see weavers like Widow with different facial coverings

[severe siren]

Mr mushroom should fight like valstrax if he were a boss tbh

[glossy badger]

The heart is still beating tho weirdly enough

[foggy fractal]

I think I got caught by it once and that's it

[modest coyote]

THE CITADEL FEEDS DISABLED PEOPLE TO THE BROODMOTHER BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PHSYICALLY ABLE TO BE EFFECTIVE SLAVES

[severe siren]

Spore shroom nuke upon touching down on the earth at mach speed

[granite ice]

Yeah but what about first sinner

[modest coyote]

omg

[rugged storm]

I wish we had more dialogue with karmelita

[hasty flint]

fun fact, fox news advocated for something similar recently

[limpid summit]

I wish it was broodmother it was probably her useless fat children

[spark valve]

mask is used as a synonym for face or head sometimes e.g. summoned saviour

[sacred heath]

headache

[glossy badger]

Same

[modest coyote]

her children grow up to become the wardens and prison-takers

[glossy badger]

That's evil

[modest coyote]

like she eats people and lays wardens of the prison

its an automatic cycle

[spark valve]

widow was mutilated and part of her head was removed

[limpid summit]

You’re sort of sposed to feel bad for the flies because they’re an entire race of prisoners

But they just sort of suck

[granite ice]

Cuz like, we literally see it grow into that shape

[rugged storm]

dawg

[granite ice]

Are all weavers women

[modest coyote]

probably

[limpid summit]

Yes

[granite ice]

Slay

[limpid summit]

Every weaver tablet says sister so likely yeah

[severe siren]

Weaver circumcision

[sacred heath]

they’re cops they had it coming

[spark valve]

one is perhaps a bit worse than the other

[granite ice]

Ok but don't literally see her mask grow

[spark valve]

widow? no

[rugged storm]

what would happen if the void reached wormways

[granite ice]

Wait not widow

[silk dirge]

devourer of gods spawns

[granite ice]

I got confused with widow and first sinner mb

[severe siren]

Team cherry invents a new substance, voidblood

[sacred heath]

they both have the best theme in the game so you’re forgiven

[spark valve]

first sinner suggests the circular heads are part of their bodies yes

[rain spindle]

Do we all agree first sinner was the first weaver?

[modest coyote]

no

[glossy badger]

It effects the craggler in the wormways area

[rain spindle]

The weavers hate GMS

[modest coyote]

we clearly see multiple weavers created at the same time

[rain spindle]

Because they felt abandoned

[spark valve]

I don't know why first sinner would be the first weaver, she was the first to sin not the first to be born

[rugged storm]

oh no

[modest coyote]

first sinner is called first sinner cause she "sinned" first

[rain spindle]

The cutscene showing her being created from that small spider

[glossy badger]

It wasn't fun to fight

[edgy barn]

Nothing. The reason the void does what it does in Act 3 is because it is latching onto GMS threads.

[rugged storm]

first acid

[serene belfry]

they all were tho afaik

[spark valve]

the implication being that's how weavers are made, not that she was the first made that way

[modest coyote]

a completely optional fight btw

also literally just use cogflies

[spark valve]

it's showing her being created because it's her memory and it's relevant to her sin

[modest coyote]

there is no reason to hit it with your nail

[rain spindle]

Her sin was apostasis

[limpid summit]

First Sinner could have been the first weaver just as easily as she couldn’t have been the Sinner is just what’s important

[severe siren]

Waiting for a content update to include the most difficult boss in the game, another weaver who goes by “Simon” and is the first of all Weavers, its weapon having afterimages

[edgy barn]

You mean the Big one? I killed him before Act 3

[glossy badger]

No I used pale needles spell and shaman spell set up

[rain spindle]

This implies first sinner was the first to turn back on GMS

[limpid summit]

First Simon

[spark valve]

apostasy related to declaring gms a liar because of how she was created

[glossy badger]

Yeah

[rugged storm]

ik, that's why it's not in wormways, but if it was in wormways then I'm wondering what the combination of plasmium and void would be

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/soccer-football-anime-blue-lock-isagi-yoichi-gif-27440248

[granite ice]

That's bilewater

[limpid summit]

If it was the Citadel who controlled the Slab and First Sinner railing against GMS does that mean GMS did control the Citadel for a time

[granite ice]

Void consumes

[modest coyote]

we can very easily tell contextually that given GMS is a "God" and Pharloom a theocracy where the head of religion (Divine) is the head of state- basically like a Pharoah of Egypt- any rebellioin is talked about in theological terms

[limpid summit]

Because why would the Citadel declare her an apostate if she was denying the being that they were built around containing

[silk dirge]

you are not ready for the update that adds a weaver who can actually spin seals out of silk

by seals i mean

[spark valve]

lace's circle flurry and first sinner's blades get you a lot of the way there

[silk dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-rocking-crazy-crazy-seal-insane-man-gif-6717527695886076289

once a sealposter always a sealposter

hollow knight has a satisfying amount of seal references

[spark valve]

citadel is church and cage, the fact that they felt stifled by gms and put her to sleep doesn't necessarily mean the weavers didn't still revere her, or that they would allow heresy wrt their own origins

[glossy badger]

I think they'd stalemate rather than mix together

[modest coyote]

in ancient egypt you might see "the nine bows (enemies of egypt) underneath the foot of god Horus [who Pharoah was viewed as a manifestation of in a sense]"

i think the "sins" refer to basically a similar thing

[granite ice]

Wait where does it say they do that

[modest coyote]

apostasy is obviously referring to some kind of rebellion or treachery [ given GMS is "divine" monarch]

[severe siren]

Void and lifeblood can mind each other’s business just like Hallownest’s abyss

[spark valve]

[Hornet]:You speak of the Citadel? Its former function has failed, but I can still sense its purpose, some. It is church and cage both.[NPC]:Aye. Devised by your ancestors that monstrosity, and their wicked, clever minds. A system, or a web they'd likely call it, a way to keep their mother sealed in slumber, and themselves free to lavish in their false rule

[rugged storm]

it's possible the void would just spread through the lifeblood vines

[modest coyote]

least evil spider:

[edgy barn]

The void doesn't normally spread like that

[modest coyote]

maybe

[tawdry flare]

we all know that void and lifeblood are the same thing 🙄🙄🙄

[edgy barn]

It usually just kills you

[limpid summit]

Hm

[modest coyote]

the barrier of 1000 feet of earth is usually a good way of stopping void

but we dont know that once people mine far down enough void doesnt spread

[rugged storm]

guys

[spark valve]

in any case even if you discard the idea of apostasy against gms specifically being a crime enforced by weavers in control of the citadel, declaring gms false in calling the weavers her divine daughters would also be apostasy against the weavers' claims of divinity

[modest coyote]

i mean they certainly have similarities (as do all higher forces in hollowknight)

[rugged storm]

maybe the void is just oil, and the next hollow knight game will be about um

[spark valve]

they maintained a theocracy

[modest coyote]

thats what im saying

[tawdry flare]

it doesnt really seem to do anything if you dont provoke it

[sacred heath]

wait was first sinner a Reddit atheist

[limpid summit]

Okay yeah that makes sense

[modest coyote]

no

[granite ice]

Oh I see, that explains it. So did the haunting start bc gms gathered enough silk to start influencing other bugs as a way to earn power back? So the bugs of the citadel looked for weavers to put an end to her?

[severe siren]

I still never understand how entering the lifeblood core area takes us to the dream world

Is it cause of how much lifeblood is in us and the whole thing is actually just a hallucination 😭

[modest coyote]

we can very easily tell contextually that given GMS is a "God" and Pharloom a theocracy where the head of religion (Divine) is the head of state- basically like a Pharoah of Egypt- any rebellioin is talked about in theological terms

[sick root]

Idk if anyone can explain this but why does hornet even care about saving pharloom why wouldnt she just leave

[limpid summit]

First sinner was a Weaver supremacist who saw Lace and started believing in the Great Weaver Replacement

[granite ice]

Empathy

[modest coyote]

in act 3 its cause she feels like shit for helping cause the apocalypse

[tawdry flare]

she feels responsible

[spark valve]

haunting is implied to have started due to experiments in whiteward injecting enough silk into the citadel bugs for her to start taking control

[modest coyote]

in act 1 and 2 its because she wants to know her origins and is just curious about it

[sick root]

gotcha gotcha

[limpid summit]

Even in act 2 she sees the hollow (heh) nature of the Citadel and wants to save the pilgrims

[spark valve]

Cruel physician of Whiteward, responsible for operations and modifications on the Citadel's bugs.

Their procedures with Silk may have prolonged life within the Citadel, but they unknowingly gifted many minds to the monarch.
surgeon journal entry

[granite ice]

Ohhh I see

[tawdry flare]

maybe partly but she says its bc she cant leave without it coming for her again

[modest coyote]

she says "i was brought here by people who clearly knew about me- so i want to understand this"

[rugged storm]

In act 1 she just doesn't wanna get caught againw hen she leaves

[foggy fractal]

are these icons in game btw ?

[severe siren]

So uh is conductor romino never mentioned
I also didnt pay attention to pharloom’s folly credits, is he stil mentioned there

[modest coyote]

ofc but there is a sense of curiousity in it

[spark valve]

still mentioned in the poem, nowhere else afaik

[severe siren]

Verdania was likely meant to be required and you needed four hearts for Red Memory

[foggy fractal]

yeah he's still there literally the only mention of him tho

[severe siren]

But not anymore

[tawdry flare]

i've heard that this can show up on the map but i think it was a lie

[modest coyote]

i like what they did with verdania

[spark valve]

yup

[silk dirge]

very weird

[tawdry flare]

if you get all 4 before going to the shamans then it consumes them all and you dont get a memento

[severe siren]

Wait what

[granite ice]

Is romino not the conductor you learn the melody from?

[spark valve]

good you can avoid having a beating heart in your bellhome on the mantle what the fuck hornet

[silk dirge]

no

[severe siren]

Thats bullshit

[tawdry flare]

at least i think that's what happened to my friend

[glossy badger]

The beating noise drives me crazy

[tawdry flare]

he checked his inventory after red memory and had none of them

[glossy badger]

Also why is it still beating

[silk dirge]

its fine its nowhere near annoying as the fucking twisted bud

[modest coyote]

so-called "woke" silksong has the protaganist literally tearing out the heart of a gay couple and killing both members

[granite ice]

I can check

[limpid summit]

No the conductor starts with B I forget his name

[severe siren]

I hope they let us disable the beating eventually

[silk dirge]

i wanted to kill that fucker the moment i got it

[modest coyote]

hornet is a hater!

[severe siren]

Tell him to check his bellhome

[limpid summit]

Romino was the corpse that the Unraveled possesses ❓❓❓

[modest coyote]

could be idk

[glossy badger]

That made me break my blind playthrough i wanted it gone

[silk dirge]

that is not confirmed anywhere but its possible

[limpid summit]

Idk it’s the only other conductor we see there’s no evidence I’m just fooling

[foggy fractal]

was this in game ?

[spark valve]

one of the psalm cylinders is about a procedure on a conductor I believe
probably that one

[limpid summit]

Oh really

[modest coyote]

yes thats the lifeblood dude aint it?

[granite ice]

Yeah I was about to say

[silk dirge]

oh god that psalm cylinder is so cursed

[modest coyote]

I WAS NOT EXPECTING IT when i played it

[spark valve]

Last surgery of Conductor Mizello, performed in Whiteward's operating theatre.

[foggy fractal]

no

[limpid summit]

Oh “Last surgery yeah

[foggy fractal]

this is a flea scoreboard icon

[silk dirge]

all the other ones are like music and then the surgery one is just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[limpid summit]

So Romino does not appear to us

[tawdry flare]

Romino is DLC final boss obv

[rain spindle]

Romino is likely from weavers time

[limpid summit]

At least there’s no extended cut Pharloom’s Pholly thank god

[rugged storm]

Guys I think sherma is a higher being

[rain spindle]

Higher being of luck

[tawdry flare]

that's an insult to sherma

[spark valve]

no, maybe one of the first conductors but conductors and weavers were not contemporaries

[rugged storm]

highest being

[severe siren]

Hornet playing this in her Bellhome while the heart of the homosexual beats as she’s falling asleep 🥰

[spark valve]

conductors took their role by force from weavers

[edgy barn]

Oh wait I remember that one. I always asumed Mizello was the one performing the surgery thought.

[silk dirge]

i dont want to know where team cherry got those sounds from

[muted lantern]

someone needs to make a sherma version of the ralsei smoking a fat dart meme

[foggy fractal]

https://mega.nz/folder/nu5GjLxD#JB92f7G2YKa1ms9i6erftw/folder/32ByELrB quite odd

[spark valve]

I mean the surgeons don't look like conductors

this is a surgeon

[edgy barn]

I know

[rain spindle]

Literally me

[limpid summit]

Listen to that shit it’s genuinely no wonder GMS woke up

[silk dirge]

wait so did the conductors choose to get surgery bc it would give them immortality

[edgy barn]

Looking back on it it does make more sense for Mizello to be the subject

[glossy badger]

Yes

[spark valve]

yes, they probably mandated every citadel bug to get it too

[rain spindle]

Those who refused to get revived were subjected to them

[severe siren]

Whiteward should be nuked honestly its too cursed

Lock that shit down

[rugged storm]

That will just make it bileward

[tawdry flare]

literal pit of eternal suffering inside

[silk dirge]

P***S MAN

[rain spindle]

GMS was an ahole

[spark valve]

"Devout has succumbed during Silk suture. Refuses to revive. Sin committed. Permit no rites. Husk marked for cremation. Retrieve dregs."

[severe siren]

Whiteward is worse than undertale true lab

[limpid summit]

Citadel really was giving out sins like candy

[spark valve]

crazy text

[glossy badger]

I like that the chef was so stuck in the kitchen he didn't get it

[silk dirge]

why did team cherry leave those enemies in the game they are so cursed

[severe siren]

Dont let the cute silksong artstyle throw you off

[foggy fractal]

what do we think of this flea spirit
file is named Flea_Scoreboard_Icons_0004_Flea_Spirit

[silk dirge]

like if i was team cherry i wouldve atleast changed the morticians 😭

but i guess their minds are not as fucked up as mine

[edgy barn]

That's not a flea

[limpid summit]

How does the unraveled manipulate those spears anyway

[edgy barn]

It looks more like the alchemist

[limpid summit]

That’s like a dream boss attack

[severe siren]

Bloodborne ass area

[edgy barn]

Silk magic

[foggy fractal]

thats what the file is named so

[rain spindle]

Hes made of silk

Whats the lore on the father of the flame

[foggy fractal]

and idk if this sprite showed up in the game thats why I'm asking

[severe siren]

He used em on his subjects

[green raptor]

So i was looking for hornet death compilation on YT (but i didnt finish the game)

and i got spoiled that || she actually dies|| LMAO

[edgy barn]

The burning bugs made it and it contains the remains of an elderly bug

[foggy fractal]

does it really

[edgy barn]

That's it

[silk dirge]

this is so true 😭

[tawdry flare]

He's climbing out of the Abyss rn

[severe siren]

“Its time for your knee surgery ” ginormous fork slicing you in half

[silk dirge]

your knee is now silk

[limpid summit]

An old bug is at the heart of the pyre, hr the old bug isn’t who they worship

[rain spindle]

Hollow Knight is demon souls 2

[limpid summit]

The father of the flame is an effigy of their god

[true vector]

Bloodedge the griffin ahh boss

[severe siren]

Reminder that Ari’s favorite souls game is Demon’s Souls

[polar latch]

hey chat what if Crust King Kahn is the same species as Lord Fool

[limpid summit]

It looks sort of neat

[rain spindle]

Perhaps.

[covert tusk]

Also we all unofficially agree Sherman’s in charge of the Citadel post everything right? If it doesn’t collapse like it should

[limpid summit]

Whoops wrong pic

[polar latch]

nevermind I'm entirely wrong

forget entirely what I said lmao

[tawdry flare]

So it seems to have automatically placed the Crust King heart as a memento in his home

[severe siren]

How that one strawberry in the fridge stares at me

[rain spindle]

Is nyleth a higher being

[limpid summit]

Eat me bro eat me

[rain spindle]

She seems way too weak to be one

[edgy barn]

The head shape is similar but that's about it

[limpid summit]

This is fotf

[limpid summit]

Probably a powerful bug with plant manipulation like Isma

[tawdry flare]

he checked his inventory immediately after red memory and had no hearts in his inventory so it just Did This

[edgy barn]

They even have a different eye count

[severe siren]

Wait no fucking way
Can you subsitute one heart for another???? Does it make a different heartbeat sound?????

[polar latch]

ohh shit wait does it do this if you used the heart from green prince instead? I wonder if it does this for all the hearts

[foggy fractal]

think so

[severe siren]

Thats so peak

[tawdry flare]

Okay never mind Lmao

[polar latch]

yeah I imagined nyleth was the same species as isma

[foggy fractal]

yeah the heart descriptions were all different I think

[limpid summit]

Dancing, dancing, burn away!
Feed us, free us!
Live and die!
Burn bright! Burn hot!
Flare together!
To meet you... Father...

Father of the flame

Dance with me!
So dark! Burn brighter!
Take it, if you're worthy!

Grimmkin

[rain spindle]

The Knight is the perfect flaw
Pure Vessel is the flawed perfection

[foggy fractal]

if TC bothered to change the momento they probably bothered to make the heart beats different

[rain spindle]

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[severe siren]

Man i wouldve rather had crust king or skarrsinger’s heart than the stupid gay mantis

[covert tusk]

I don’t think so but she does seem powerful and ancient, being described I think as Shellwoods heart and clearly “The Voice” Seth followed
Which also I feel like her being buried under the Citadel, and then Sister Splinter taking her place seemingly, and THEN Widow hiding in Bellhart, all feel connected imo

[rain spindle]

Be nice to my twinkcest

[covert tusk]

Cuz what else has the Citadel not done

[severe siren]

He loves himself too much

His partner is identical to himself

[glossy badger]

Crazy

[severe siren]

He’s a narc

[tawdry flare]

We should restart the Green Princes are Twins discussion

[covert tusk]

Is it really narcissism if it’s just coincidental your partner looked identical to you?

[glossy badger]

We shouldn't

[rain spindle]

No please

[tawdry flare]

yea you right

[rain spindle]

Im tired boss

[silk dirge]

so what if they are they are fictional bugs i honestly dont care if they are twins or not

[edgy barn]

Anything is better than the retcon debate ngl

[foggy fractal]

heres that sprite I was talking about earlier that seems to be unused but higher quality

[glossy badger]

This is true

[limpid summit]

Yamcha pose

[silk dirge]

nah twin princes was bad

[severe siren]

The retcon debates have nothing on the magnamalo realism discussion

[silk dirge]

i would prefer we have neither debate

[rain spindle]

This fandom ships hornet and tk since 2017 i also dont care

[polar latch]

monhun spotted

[foggy fractal]

we should continue the cut content discussion..

[tawdry flare]

Let's talk about the canonicity of Shawkra

[limpid summit]

I can’t wait for the Greyroot HB discussions

[vivid kernel]

just mogged by astalos to be honest

[limpid summit]

This isn’t lore but do we think they’re saving Hornet’s fanservice voice lines for DLC

[tawdry flare]

we already did that wanna do it again

[limpid summit]

YES

[polar latch]

i think she very well could be a much lower tier of HB

[rain spindle]

I think Horner beat up every gay couple she met i think hornet is homophobic

[severe siren]

Which ones

[silk dirge]

greyroot is a hb?

[tawdry flare]

"Shaw"

[limpid summit]

I think she is one or at least her child is, depending on who it incubates within

[glossy badger]

We should talk about twisted bud curse vs lifeblood vs void vs silk vs radiance powerscaling

[polar latch]

she's the same species as White Lady

[limpid summit]

Shaw edino gitguh

[severe siren]

Pay 5 dollars for additional hornet voicelines

[limpid summit]

She already says karama

[tawdry flare]

Lifeblood low diffs

[severe siren]

I spam the taunt more times than id like to admit

[rain spindle]

Fun fact

[limpid summit]

I love the taunt

[limber anvil]

Found an unused memento for a ghost flea...

[rain spindle]

In brazil theres a drink called guarana

[limpid summit]

I would not mind wasting all my soul to BM

[polar latch]

the fact that some crests make the taunt different is so cool

[foggy fractal]

intresting

[rain spindle]

So everyone here just assumes hornet says "guarana"

[edgy barn]

I think she can become one if she parasites a higher being like in the cursed ending, but she isn't normally one

[limber anvil]

also several cut enemies and npcs

[limpid summit]

Actually since TC isn’t very online they might not have an idea of what voice lines people want to hear right

[severe siren]

Im telling you this is some Barnacle Bay type shit

[limpid summit]

So Shaw Edino GG might not even appear

[edgy barn]

I feel like someone would mention it if a whole higher being was just chilling in shellwood

[foggy fractal]

also they kept on saying it was the alchemist, does it look like the alchemist bro like pls were y'all playing the game with your eyes open

[glossy badger]

True it wasn't effected by void silk or radiance. We don't know about twisted bud but I think lifeblood could corrupt it

[polar latch]

Blundering Oberlisk???? i beg

[limber anvil]

3 for the coral area.

[severe siren]

LET ME COPE

[rain spindle]

Guarana

[limber anvil]

What is that?

[tawdry flare]

^^^

[foggy fractal]

imagine guess the screenshot/room but with silksong instead

[polar latch]

Cut enemy from HK

[severe siren]

Ok now THIS is some Barnacle Bay type shit

[foggy fractal]

shit would be impossible I need to look at this game more

[limber anvil]

Nope not in it

[foggy fractal]

not really ? more alligned to bilewater/ducts

[runic musk]

What the fuck is that

[limber anvil]

3 are from the cut coral forest

[polar latch]

we need to consume team cherry

[tawdry flare]

The best enemy in Hollow Knight

[polar latch]

i really really hope it wasn't entirely cut and instead is being saved for a dlc

[limber anvil]

And much of the coral tower enemies come from that cut area as well

[runic musk]

Why does it have a clown nose

[severe siren]

YOU’RE more aligned to bilewater/ducts

[limber anvil]

Same

[silk dirge]

team cherry needs to bring back the snail village

[foggy fractal]

really ?

[edgy barn]

The way the sprite is angled and the overall vibes makes me believe this was the original fast travel moutnt

[foggy fractal]

I don't really look like the enemies found there

[polar latch]

Coral Forest gives me Coral Highlands vibes and I LOVED that area in MHW

[severe siren]

The world map icon for it is intact

[tawdry flare]

It's GONE.

[rugged storm]

one bird with one stone with no conceivable downsides, build a tunnel draining all of bilewater into the abyss

[tawdry flare]

the Coral area was called Coral Gorge btw

[silk dirge]

im talking about in hk

[rain spindle]

I love bilewater

[foggy fractal]

I think she meant the snail village in hk oh yeap

[polar latch]

oh is this real?

[limber anvil]

No traces of steel assassins or snail village in images... And since my laptop is dead I lack the tools to decompile the game myself to scower the code

Yes

[rugged storm]

to reduce costs, hunters march is used as part of the tunnel

[severe siren]

Oh
Well when you think about it, Barnacle Bay is the spiritual successor anyway

[tawdry flare]

yeah, the 2019 clip was named Coral-Gorge-Fishies

[silk dirge]

REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU

[limber anvil]

It was coral gaurge

[polar latch]

Coral Gorge implies that it would be maybe towards the bottom? which very well could fit in the map...

[tawdry flare]

the Coral Gorge can only appear through Memory now...

[limpid summit]

I like the tiny top left hole implying a third comically thinner snail

[limber anvil]

Between blasted steps and wormways?

[timber pond]

WEll It dosent make any sense anymore with Sands of karak

[foggy fractal]

it seems that the files in the game refer to these things as silk flies very creative name TC

[polar latch]

potentially...

[tawdry flare]

their NAME is LACEWING

[limber anvil]

Issue is blasted steps used yo have coral

[foggy fractal]

oh did I miss it in game

[rugged storm]

is it bad that I just see bushflits as free silk

[tawdry flare]

no its just like the best name

[polar latch]

true, I'm still holding out hope that we can somehow rejuvenate the sands and verdania for a dlc

[edgy barn]

I suppose you could repleace the multiple gaunlets leading up to Crust King Khan with a proper region

[foggy fractal]

so not official then

[tawdry flare]

can you post it in lower quality it wont load

[limber anvil]

Still no wonder why there is a 9th memto slot on the shelf

[edgy barn]

The way it is already done with Verdania

[tawdry flare]

WAIT I DIDNT EVEN REALIZE THIS IS LITERALLY BLASTED STEPS

[craggy smelt]

it's true

[polar latch]

i really do wonder if a dlc will focus on rejuvenating those areas...

[tawdry flare]

Time Travel DLC when

[craggy smelt]

I think the dusty aesthetic is more fitting
but I would like a true coral area to explore

[spark valve]

you didn't?? 😭

[limber anvil]

My theory is the coral gourge was drained to cool the citidel creating the putrid ducts bilewater and sinners road

[hasty flint]

i guarantee hornet wants to leave pharloom better off than she found it so a DLC where you repair the post-apocalypse damage would be great

[limber anvil]

Lore wisd

[timber pond]

Could be a cool epilouge act DLC mabye? thorugh i doubt it would be that elaborate

[polar latch]

OHHHHHHH THIS COULD BE SO COOL

[tawdry flare]

i knew that coral gorge was turned into blasted steps in lore but i didnt realize that screenshot literally had the layout of blasted

[polar latch]

a who in the what now

[craggy smelt]

you're paintin' a picture
and I like it

[foggy fractal]

cut reaper slash attack it seems

[timber pond]

Like an Epilogue, post game, after final boss ect/

[severe siren]

All coral gorge footage is blasted steps level geometry

The sequence where hornet is escaping a steel assassin is the giant vertical room, the ravine that connects to the one in moss grotto

[polar latch]

OH sorry didn't see that you edited it lol

[hasty flint]

hornet probably needs a chance to actually be able to stop a kingdom from falling apart rather than only being able to witness its slow crumbling. being able to make a strong, vibrant community out of what remains in pharloom is precisely the kind of positive media we need in our current dark times

[craggy smelt]

an Act 4 would be neat
kind've over the Act 3 gimmick of Voidhaunted enemies

[polar latch]

act 4 would go so hard

[limber anvil]

Also huntress is dead

[tawdry flare]

Creatures of Steel...

[craggy smelt]

if the steel clan comes for Hornet because of all the Void shenanigans she caused, that could make for a cool new campaign

[timber pond]

if there are multiple DLCs the last one would lead into the steel city and then we wait 8 years for next game😂

[polar latch]

NOOOO

[tawdry flare]

oh.. that's gore of my comfort character....

[limber anvil]

Yeah I found it in the files

[foggy fractal]

L Bozo

[edgy barn]

If this what happens if you go into act 3 without completing her quest?

[foggy fractal]

this happens in the game too under certain cicrumstances

[craggy smelt]

as long as its not every damn thing in the game getting steel haunted or some shit-
just bosses that can show up

[polar latch]

i mean, the fact that it's not in the game itself could mean they didn't want her to be dead...

[timber pond]

I left a Comment on your thread in the mossbag server btw.

[limber anvil]

Weird cut NPCs I think

[silk dirge]

the blue fly isnt cut i think

[serene belfry]

is top right not the sprint master bug

[tawdry flare]

the steel assassins chasing you in steel soul or just like replacing bosses or ANYTHING would be SO MUCH COOLER THAN PERMADEATH!!!

[polar latch]

Second one isn't cut

[craggy smelt]

3 and 5 are there
3 is Sula from Steel mode, 5 is in the Slab

[rugged storm]

I lwk need purified ducts there's too many maggots in this game

[polar latch]

yeah neither is last guy

[timber pond]

One of thsoe is Sula From steel soul and the Blue bettle is in sprint masters area

[limber anvil]

Oh missed 3 and 5 then

[limber anvil]

Oh yeah

[craggy smelt]

I love #1 NPCs more than anything, death to TC for cutting them

[limber anvil]

So 1 and 4 are cut

[tawdry flare]

all of them are used except 1 i think

[runic musk]

Sula is from Steel Soul and they are who conjures Summoned Savior

[craggy smelt]

I think #2 are with Swift

[rugged storm]

why do all the areas turn bad

[tawdry flare]

4 is a pilgrim in bonebottom right?

[limber anvil]

Ok

[covert tusk]

Bro thinks he’s a vessel 😭😭😭

[limber anvil]

This is 3 npcs

[foggy fractal]

clearly you haven't 100% the game...

nah jk I don't think any of these characters are required

[craggy smelt]

I've seen an NPC like this in Bellhart when it's haunted, I don't recall them anywhere else
I did think 'vessel' also... hey, maybe they are

[edgy barn]

4 actually

[foggy fractal]

well the ones in game anyway

[limber anvil]

I have... Just didn't steel soul and I can't remember every single one.

Also vespa has a cut spritesheet... A boss maybe.

[foggy fractal]

yeah def a boss

[polar latch]

oh that's totally going into the dlc

[craggy smelt]

oh shit, memory Hive

[timber pond]

damn bro

[foggy fractal]

has stagger animations, block animations, etc

[timber pond]

i want a vespa boss 😭

[limber anvil]

My guess it cut from red memory

[desert gull]

So is there any way to save pilby or is he just dead

[steady jackal]

Need a boss like this

[tawdry flare]

get these genshin fans OUT!!!

[limber anvil]

Also looks like many enemies were demoted from bosses

Including the gloom beast

[polar latch]

is there anywhere where all the cut content is compiled?

[foggy fractal]

nope

theres a document of every sprite in the game

[limber anvil]

Nope I'm going through an image dump rn

[polar latch]

probably won't take long for that to change then

[edgy stone]

if vespa has a full sprite sheet I doubt she wont return

[tawdry flare]

-# h-his name is pukebug......

[steady jackal]

DO NOT INCLUDE ME WITH THOSE WEIRD ONES

[polar latch]

ohhhhhhh

[foggy fractal]

whats used and whats not is up to us to figure out rn

[covert tusk]

dude it’s not gonna happen but DLC where we get a slightly tweaked Hallownest to just run around in as Hornet

[edgy stone]

does hollow knight have any cut bosses with full sheets?

it seems like an insane waste

[limber anvil]

Ah yes the purple goo

From 2019

[foggy fractal]

ok tbf you came out of nowhere and posted a genshin video so

[tawdry flare]

you just posted a GENSHIN EDIT in the LORE CHANNEL!!! i want you GONE!!!

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[limber anvil]

1 I think.

[timber pond]

Hear me out.

the god home mode in this game will be Hornet gaining the ability to travers her own memories again. Would be fitting for an Act 4 ability upgrade.

[polar latch]

Probs just didn't wanna spoil the abyss so early

[timber pond]

And would also alow for things like vespa fight

[polar latch]

Link?

[limber anvil]

But that sprite didn't even make it to the foles

[edgy stone]

the area he is in is different as well, when her has the purple goo

[steady jackal]

I was suggesting a potential boss

One can only dream

[foggy fractal]

that isn't lore discussion

[limber anvil]

Not sure if it ever made it in. But I think dryya

[polar latch]

they need to put jyuratodus in this game

[polar latch]

i meant like I'm asking for a link to the image dump

[limber anvil]

https://mega.nz/folder/nu5GjLxD#JB92f7G2YKa1ms9i6erftw

[covert tusk]

Hornet searching her memories in search of skills she may find useful for duel against Lost Lace, and it delves deeper and deeper, until she thinks of the strongest thing she can imagine

The Knight

[polar latch]

thank you

[steady jackal]

Do people still find silksong hard?

[limber anvil]

1 cut bilewater enemy

[foggy fractal]

yeah that seems to be the best guess
one of her sprite sheets also has the everbloom in it

[runic musk]

Knight boss and it'll just be them DDark spamming so you can't do a damn thing to them

[edgy stone]

probably an enemy who wouldve been a hunt

[foggy fractal]

its def harder than hollow knight
people are getting used to it though

[craggy smelt]

they cut the pissquit?!

[serene belfry]

knight boss would never work imo

[edgy stone]

his yellow guts look like theyd be a collectible at some point

[serene belfry]

complaints about double damage imo were so blown out of proportion definitely a hard game still especially early game

[timber pond]

Yeah ifthere is no "post game act 4" or anything like that, i think that could be good justification. I dont think Hornet is really all that threatened or warry of Laces strength though, is the thing.

[limber anvil]

My guess is those are frog hoppers from the first game... Basically grass hopper explodies

[steady jackal]

If people still complaining, even after the patches, they need to quit the game

[runic musk]

I personally question introducing double damage very early on when you likely still working with just the base health but dont mind it as much in Act 2 and beyond

[limber anvil]

I already 100% it... Just learned there is a 9th cut memento

[rugged storm]

why couldn't we have an infected wormways in hollow knight

[limber anvil]

But it overlaps with Seth's so I see why it was cut

[rugged storm]

so annoying

[covert tusk]

Oh also I think I’m just stupid but like what did the citadel do to the ants?
Like

• Nyleth was overridden by The Citadel (her shrine is under the grand gate)
• Khan had the sands of karak get dried out and cornered by the Judges
• and Green Prince is obvious
  What happened to Karmelita and the ants to make her fall into the criteria of string rulers overtaken by the Citadel

[craggy smelt]

we'll cure it in Act 4
Forge-Daughter puts together a flame-thrower tool

[serene belfry]

yea the main purpose of it seems to be to balance out the heal but there shoudl've been a bit less doubles at the start perhaps

[foggy fractal]

they at least need to stop complaining online
its def tolerable, not to say its perfect but still nothing crazy

[tawdry flare]

Because Lifeblood wasn’t malicious back then…

[limpid summit]

Karmelita’s song faded (?) so the ants became less motivated and fell to the Haunting

I actually might have not read that closely

[edgy barn]

And after she beats the knight in her memories, she comments on how the real thing would have certainly won

[timber pond]

Her people are possessed and diminished

[limber anvil]

Also original hunter crest... Or have we seen this in tailers

[craggy smelt]

I think they just pushed the ants further into the Fields and let them dwindle away as as a threat
they were the furthest from the Citadel itself

[steady jackal]

Im honestly really enjoying it

[serene belfry]

or we straight up lose

[rain spindle]

icinema!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[limber anvil]

Its called hunter crest old

[serene belfry]

that definitely resembles the hallownest logo

[tawdry flare]

Fighting the Knight should just have them spam DDark on you imo

[steady jackal]

You got tons of play style you can do

[rugged storm]

wait

[limber anvil]

It has the pale kings headpiece on it

[rugged storm]

I just thought of something

[foggy fractal]

good, I enjoyed Silksong a lot too

[rain spindle]

i really like the idea of hornet being an overprotective sister to the knight

[covert tusk]

I think Lifeblood in Hallownest was regulated and prohibited due to the Pale Goat, so the only overgrown lifeblood is in Joni’s sector and in the abyss, away from average life. It wasn’t that it WASNT malicious back then, it’s just we had everything set in a way to where it was harmlwss

[limber anvil]

Also an unused icon in the crest folder

[rugged storm]

imagine if the marrow skull creatures got to the abyss in HK and started populating it

[foggy fractal]

nope

[steady jackal]

It's just sad my favorite crest can't be upgraded

[serene belfry]

reminds me of king's brand but bigger

[tawdry flare]

Yeah probably

[keen storm]

Can we talk about how fucked the worm ways are by act 3? Is this gonna be a problem for pharloom in the future?

[edgy barn]

That's the question: is Karmelita now weak because her people are possessed and diminished, or are her people now possessed and diminished because she is now weak?

[serene belfry]

also about 3 of the 7 crests are kinda doodoo

[tawdry flare]

It’s dripping into Moss Grotto as well

[craggy smelt]

I hope Lace dies in Act 4

[serene belfry]

you can have fun with them but some of the others are just almost objectively better

[foggy fractal]

yeah its kinda weird how they give you upgrades to the hunter crest but not any other ones
not to say hunter is the best even with all upgrades tho

[edgy barn]

I personally think is the second, she just grew old.

[steady jackal]

Me with the robotic one

[timber pond]

Probably the Latter. If she could not sing to ward off the Silk then Her people became diminished in strength.

[serene belfry]

wanderer go crazy

[steady jackal]

Best one

Absolutely beast

[covert tusk]

Ahhhhhhh, I seeeeeee
Actually that explains why the Fourth Chorus was just sitting randomly in the Far Fields too. Tho I do wonder what the Citadel wanted in the Far Fields given its barrenness vs say, Deep Docks, Bellhart, Greymour, etc, but knowing them they might have just deadass had prejudice against the ants and wanted them gone just cuz

[spark valve]

ah yes gamers when somebody has a different opinion

[foggy fractal]

wanderers is so good

[limber anvil]

Ghost flea....

[rugged storm]

hive queen vespa vibes

[serene belfry]

when i found it i knew it was over its basically quick slash

[steady jackal]

What really useless is, the beast crest

[meager drum]

how do the slab guys take your crest

[keen storm]

Its no wonder why lifeblood was seen as a taboo in hallownest

[serene belfry]

so real lmao

[limber anvil]

We also know Sharpe has a full sprite sheet but is cut

[rugged storm]

which ones, they all have their own niches in my opinion except maybe shaman but I'm probably wrong even then

[serene belfry]

i dont think they take our crest it just doesn't matter cause we dont have our needle

[limber anvil]

They don't you just have no nail

[tawdry flare]

Has it been sent?

[covert tusk]

I think it’s that and also spending so much time fighting the Citadel off got to her, she was aging and weakening from so much fighting that eventually all she could do was become basically a living corpse, waiting to be put down

[keen storm]

Was sharpe taken out back?

[polar latch]

was this guy cut?

[serene belfry]

beast, shaman and witch imo

[craggy smelt]

ooo, any of the other Steel Bugs? We saw one in the old trailer, but only ever a silhouette of the third

[rugged storm]

no

[limber anvil]

Nope but we know its complete based on kickstarters

[serene belfry]

no its a enemy in blasted steps

[foggy fractal]

I hope at least everyone can be civil and not angry 🐺 even if we have different opinions

[tawdry flare]

No, that;'s the wawa

[steady jackal]

Like, if it was doing more damage, I would understand, its slow and it's attack is weird

[covert tusk]

Wait a FULL sprite sheet?

[rugged storm]

witch and beast are amazing

[limber anvil]

Nope all 3 removed from files

[silk dirge]

some people genuinely have a skill issue

[tawdry flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380233368523898991/1415785570461810758/Hollow_Knight_Silksong_2025-09-11_13-45-42.mp4?ex=68c9be90&is=68c86d10&hm=078c39ac0f13ccc096d1811a297764bc084ebff0d9814a252bc100c91730dd72&

[polar latch]

really? I don't remember seeing it anywhere

[keen storm]

I think there was a mention of some kind of steel city up in the cradle wasn’t there?

[limber anvil]

Nope its the singing bug near the blasted steps stag... They are baby judges

[rugged storm]

future headaches

[silk dirge]

anyone who thinks lost lace is bad just has a skill issue the telefragging is annoying but its barely a problem

[steady jackal]

More like, they only bought silksong because of the hype

[tawdry flare]

Agreed. Except for that One Attack

[rugged storm]

honestly I hate to say it

[spark valve]

wow people are already being elitist assholes for no reason

[craggy smelt]

yes, its got everyone speculating on it being the Steel Clan HQ
but besides Sharpe there were two other 'Steel Assassins' shown as silhouettes - we saw one in a trailer, but haven't seen the other one revealed yet

[serene belfry]

beast has a wtf fighting game ass pogo and alot of the time the lifesteal isnt worth more than regular heals shaman doesnt let you heal mid air witch ig is okay yea

[steady jackal]

Now they giving it negative reviews

[true vector]

what is this melody 🥀

[rugged storm]

but my strat now is just utter tool spam and dodge

[limber anvil]

Their rules to the telefraging... Just don't sprint across the screen blindly

[polar latch]

i don't think I've ever seen one?

[edgy barn]

They are in a secret room

[limber anvil]

They hide someone posted a video like 40 seconds ago

[silk dirge]

i mean lost lace was really not that bad

[rugged storm]

shaman I have no defense, but beasts range is insane

[silk dirge]

im not great at games

[serene belfry]

but like the others (especially wanderer) are just way better and kill shit so much faster even though you can have fun with it

[spark valve]

so what

[silk dirge]

i feel like some people just genuinely tried to facetank lost lace and complained

[serene belfry]

i never used beast after i first got it cause of a wtf pogo imagine going through the whole game with that

[foggy fractal]

it hinges on peoples attitude I think
do they strive to practice, improve, experiment and explore ?
or do they immediately go online and type out something that looks mad, then it makes them look bad

[polar latch]

Ohhh

how do you kill them? Or can you not do that

[spark valve]

yeah yeah we all love making up straw men to feel superior to

[ripe lance]

So what happened to the skar for them to devolve into what they are now

[spark valve]

apparently

[rugged storm]

I mean you kinda gotta get used to it, it's length is very good

[silk dirge]

no ive genuinely seen them

[steady jackal]

Imagine playing silksong before hollow knight 💀

[rugged storm]

cough cough

[silk dirge]

people in youtube comments and shit saying lost lace is a bad fight

[edgy barn]

Their Queen grew old and weak, then they fell to the Haunting

[foggy fractal]

😔

[silk dirge]

then again its youtube comments

[polar latch]

were these guys cut? I also don't remember seeing them anywhere

[spark valve]

people are allowed to not like fights for any reason

[steady jackal]

Brooo why

[limpid summit]

Yup

[ripe lance]

reasonable

[rugged storm]

cause I can

[tidal rover]

where did you find this even? im curious

[silk dirge]

sure but they dont provide a lot of specific good criticism

[severe siren]

Does anyone have a gif of the Twisted Bug squirming around? I need it as a reaction image

[spark valve]

lost lace also has actual accessibility issues in terms of visibility

[silk dirge]

like the telefragging is a problem

[covert tusk]

Going to hollow knight from Silksong must be wild, imagine going from lace 1 to hornet 1 and just FEELING the difference 😭

[silk dirge]

yeah that would be a genuine problem

thats a valid complaint

[rugged storm]

At first it was a bit difficult, but now I'm better than the videos I watch of silksong so I think it's ok

[serene belfry]

at that point in the game most bosses are easy cause of your broken kit, lost lace is basically the only act 3 boss that is still difficult (at least for me, the others got shredded in under 3 attempts) and forces you to actually think abt what your doing instead of dashing backwards mindlessly and spamming attack

[covert tusk]

Especially all the shockwave attacks in Hollow Knight there’s like, genuinely none I think in Silksong

[polar latch]

also interesting, this guy was originally an enemy??

[silk dirge]

but other than the telefragging none of her attacks are that bad

you just need to learn them

[limpid summit]

Is it under enemy?

[steady jackal]

You missed a peak game

[serene belfry]

hollow knight mfs built different trust

[severe siren]

No those are likely the grabbing and swiping animations

[tawdry flare]

Aren't these just His Sprites

[rugged storm]

I spoiled it all for myself

[craggy smelt]

was he? he has a snatching animation, thats not an attack

[limpid summit]

Cause he does do ther

[steady jackal]

And still play it

[rugged storm]

ehhh

[foggy fractal]

yep thats valid
she can easily dissapear within all the attacks she summons
btw I have the game at 150% brightness

[next sable]

my only criticism of lost lace is that her teleport spawns tendrils and it's really difficult to see it, but otherwise it's a fun (and fair) fight

[silk dirge]

yeah exactly

[steady jackal]

Its not just about lore yk

[severe siren]

I cant believe there’s basically a completed vespa boss spritesheet in the files

[next sable]

that is, until you dash and she teleports right into you, but that might be a skill issue

[serene belfry]

yea noticed that too phase 3 visual clutter is crazy

[polar latch]

oh you right

[silk dirge]

these are good criticisms of the fight

[tidal rover]

what the heck.. i gotta see this

[steady jackal]

Exploring and fighting

[silk dirge]

but the comments im seeing are like did we fight the same boss

[polar latch]

are these the little flying guys after you leave moss grotto?

[covert tusk]

You see, this is a subtle reference to the fact everyone in Hallownest has weight on them due to being well fed under the Pale King
This is unso in Pharloom as benches can cost up to 120 rosaries to sit down in a Dark Souls swamp wheee every enemy is the primal aspic reborn

[severe siren]

Sorry for the third image being bad quality

[serene belfry]

imo its basically the only criticism actually otherwise shes a phenomenal boss

[rugged storm]

silksongs better imo, I can't downgrade atp

[edgy barn]

Hollow Knight was the second game I ever played in a PC. Both Hornet fights were the bane of my existance.

[next sable]

that looks like red memory stuff

[rugged storm]

even though HK's amazing, I'll do it aftter

[tawdry flare]

Do we know if there's code and stuff for it too? Is it restorable?

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun (lost lace theme)

[severe siren]

Its way more expansive than that. There are many attack animations and even a stagger animation

[limber anvil]

Also internally memory lockets are labeled charm notches

[silk dirge]

https://youtu.be/kpK4cDk2bRs?si=OzFU3zgC3r9if1J7

[rugged storm]

hive queen vespa vs karmelita when

[foggy fractal]

afaik so far theres only all sprites and all text

[tawdry flare]

awww

[covert tusk]

Dude I can’t downplay just how hard Hornet was my first playthroughs but I also cannot downplay just how much I mog her she feels so slow now compared to the bullshit Lace pulls 6 feet from within her ass 😭😭

[edgy barn]

Karmelita mid-diffs trust.

[silk dirge]

lost lace sounds so much like no time for caution and its the best thing ever

[rugged storm]

big hive queen vespa

[pastel egret]

just finish the true ending, can we say pharloom free now? is the black silk caused by the silk mother? like her silk mix with the void

[tidal rover]

holy shit, i wonder if we'll get some future content where we can fight her in perhaps hornets memory again ?

[covert tusk]

Hive Knight vs Gurr the outcast

[foggy fractal]

code would also be way harder to extract and intrepret
maybe someone in the modding or wiki server will figure it out tho

[severe siren]

Likely yeah

[next sable]

unity can be disassembled, but it's a pita to do depending on the obfuscation techniques

[severe siren]

Grandmother Silk vs 1 primal aspid

[polar latch]

are these guys killable?

[tawdry flare]

I saw people examing the flow state machines in the modding server

[edgy barn]

Her vital spots are now easier to target, Karmelita low diffs

[silk dirge]

unity has two sides
hollow knight silksong

or

mobile game

no inbetween

[rugged storm]

we need primal ants guys, they fly, shoot the three shots, but then shoot 2 shots in the blind areas

[tidal rover]

wait is there some kind of specific modding server for hollow knight / silksong ?

ik theres a few but idk which is the most used

[limber anvil]

Appears crests used to have upgrade shrines and not be upgraded through eva

[severe siren]

Anyone

[edgy barn]

Does Gurr get preptime

[tawdry flare]

#879283977964388363 message

[rugged storm]

location

[serene belfry]

bro gonna fill the whole arena with traps

[tawdry flare]

Nop

[next sable]

god damn, they really did run out of time, huh

[spark valve]

I can make one but it won't be pretty

[foggy fractal]

better than nothing

[covert tusk]

The Radiance Arena so both of them have no familiarity with the area

[rugged storm]

they're getting infected

[tawdry flare]

I can make one and it will be pretty but I won't

[covert tusk]

Yes ❤️