sk-lore

[foggy fractal]

so no sfx
all ost people it seems

[silk dirge]

😭

[sacred heath]

or those endings are the only ones connected to skong

[foggy fractal]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Hollow_Knight:_Silksong well every credit is here and I don't see any sfx peeps

[silk dirge]

its in a secret ceiling near the dudes who look like uhh...

rockets

lets say it that way

[lime nova]

With the blades who run at you

[silk dirge]

yeah

i do feel like team cherry tried to mark a "true" ending for silksong with the different credit sequence

honestly im glad they did that

[rain spindle]

im hyped for a shade lord boss fight

[silk dirge]

the normal credits are all nice and cheery kind of and dont feel like you just experienced an insane emotional moment

[rain spindle]

finally we will get a tk boss theme

[foggy fractal]

yeah the community even calls SOTV the true ending

[sinful nimbus]

I fw the HK credits

White Palace hits after you've been there

[silk dirge]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[foggy fractal]

that doesn't strike me as the sfx person
seems like they did clean up so everything sounded cohesive instead

[sinful nimbus]

Part of me was wanting the COT vocalist to return for a unique credits song but oh well 😔

[silk dirge]

didnt they do karmelita

[sinful nimbus]

More games need original credits themes btw

[silk dirge]

or was that someone else

[rain spindle]

what are the chances of hegemol being alive

[sinful nimbus]

I can't find Amelia Jones listed as a singer in the credits

[silk dirge]

maybe she got married or something and changed her last name

[sinful nimbus]

Karmelita goes hard though

[silk dirge]

its possible

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah there's an amelia idk if its the same one though

Either way very talented

[foggy fractal]

so I just assume Larkin did it
additional editing would heavily undersell all the sfx so

[silk dirge]

who wants to make pharloom vocalized now

[foggy fractal]

same people who did the first one

[sinful nimbus]

Oh she worked on Slay the Princess that's kinda peak

[silk dirge]

making pharloom vocalized actually gonna feel like working in underworks 😭

[sinful nimbus]

Her website makes no mention of Silksong

[silk dirge]

oh just same first name then

[foggy fractal]

Solo Singers
Amelia Holds
Jamie Moffatt
Siobhan Owen

Additional Singers
Victoria Coxhill James Scott
Michael Denholm Courtney Turner
Christian Evans Gerry Masi
Adam Goodburn Hew Wagner
Sidonie Henbest Brooke Window
Brock Roberts

[rain spindle]

siobhan owen did karmelita

i remember her mentioning

[sinful nimbus]

Bring Amelia Jones back for the DLC fr

[foggy fractal]

Testing Leads
Nassim "Simo" Gebrail Benjamin Zarb
HMMMMM I sure wonder who these people are !

[sinful nimbus]

How it feels when you hear her singing in the Sharpe bossfight...

[limpid summit]

Does Pilby leaving Pilgrims Rest of his own accord before Act 3 mean that he might get a DLC happy ending like Ogrim

[silk dirge]

yeah

[sinful nimbus]

The credits list a guy named Awesomeus "Starpengu" Coolaf I wonder who that is

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah heres a facebook post https://www.facebook.com/SiobhanOwenMusic/posts/my-dream-of-singing-for-a-video-game-has-finally-come-true-with-the-release-of-t/1190609302873234/

FUCK

I don't wanna log in or sign up bro ??

[sinful nimbus]

🙏

[foggy fractal]

oh nvm can y'all still view it

[silk dirge]

z"l seth goldman

[limpid summit]

The Karmelita singing is genuinely amazing

[silk dirge]

(thats a jewish honorific meaning "may his memory be a blessing" and im pretty sure he was jewish based off his last name so it felt right to do)

[sacred heath]

genuinely tempted to restart my 80+ hour save just to rescue him

[limpid summit]

a track of Shakra WHAT

[rain spindle]

who did voice shakra

[edgy river]

Does he? Without godhome?

[rain spindle]

probably

knight is too op

[sacred heath]

oh hey fancy seeing you here

[limpid summit]

Oh bruh people say “get it” not “getting it” as a verb

That’s not my fault

[edgy river]

Dream No More worked because radiance was in a dream and inside a void entity, idk if he could do what he did to radiance on the real world

[limpid summit]

Aaanyway

I like how her song changes in bellhart

[edgy river]

He might be able to I just don't know

[limpid summit]

It’s more triumphant

[rain spindle]

radiance is stronger in dream world

shes made of essence

[limpid summit]

The Knight beats GMS easily

[silk dirge]

DDARK ABYSS SHRIEK DDARK ABYSS SHRIEK DEAD

my favorite

[foggy fractal]

apparently this person https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10323784/characters/nm6664826/ who did Shakra • Nuu • Gilly • Moss Druid • Pebb
listed under Additional Character Voices in the credits
not sure who they voiced was confirmed tho

[limpid summit]

It could do what it did to Rad to anyone but it’d need a large volume of void and it was easier to summon it in her dream

[sinful nimbus]

Back in my day Ari and William voiced the entire cast 👴

[sacred heath]

where’s my 8 hour shakrornet sesbian lex scene Team Cherry

[silk dirge]

im not questioning how they voice flukemarm

[foggy fractal]

William's family did help with it no ?

[limpid summit]

Do you guys think hallowspeak was slightly more deliberate this game

[sinful nimbus]

Flukemarm was Hornet's VA

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah iirc

[modest coyote]

They’re literally cousins

[rain spindle]

ok gonna simp

[silk dirge]

thats even more 💀

[sinful nimbus]

Marmu was his mom pretty sure

[edgy river]

I mean he probably couldn't do to GMS

[limpid summit]

I remember someone saying “Bama” and bowing like the things the Nailmasters say

[rain spindle]

nah he could

hes the antithesis to pale beings

[silk dirge]

have you ever heard the story of how the sound for kevins in celeste were made

[modest coyote]

Hornet is a weaver who are in a sense GMS children and grandchildren

And lace is GMS daughter too

[silk dirge]

these guys

[sinful nimbus]

The most cracked example of William voice acting is The Collector

[limpid summit]

Hornet defeats GMS and it’s not like Rad where TK needs Void to restrain her

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think I could make such maniacal laughs

[rain spindle]

yeah the ending hinted at an sibling relationship

[foggy fractal]

not sure how many in his family did for hk but heres the ones for ss
Lex Pellen, Thomas Pellen, Victoria Pellen, Zara Pellen

[edgy river]

I love him

[silk dirge]

the guy who did sound design for celeste was called kevin and for this specific dude he literally gurgled water

[limpid summit]

She only needed to bind to kill GMS anyone as strong as Hornet could have at least incapacitated her

[silk dirge]

and thats why their called kevins

OH MY GOD

I DID NOT JUST WRITE SILKSONG INSTEAD OF CELESTe 😭

[edgy river]

He didn't fight a single one tho

[silk dirge]

😭 😭 😭

brainrot

[sinful nimbus]

shakra isn't a weaver wtf

[sacred heath]

the rot

it consumes

[modest coyote]

Shakra is a man

[rain spindle]

dream radiance is probably stronger than them

[sinful nimbus]

First they retcon Hornet into a weaver and now Shakra is one 😔

[modest coyote]

I thought you meant lace

[edgy river]

They?

[foggy fractal]

oh Simo and Benji also helped voiced some characters

[silk dirge]

im too brainrotted from everything i keep talking to people now like im helping them at my job

[limpid summit]

Shakra is a man?

[foggy fractal]

what if I'm also a weaver, would you still love me

[spare pendant]

no??

[sacred heath]

i dont think this is true

[limpid summit]

No I know

[sinful nimbus]

No because the weavers were all jerks

[spare pendant]

the trails end quest refers to shakra as she

[silk dirge]

i work at a boardwalk amusement park and were supposed to say "thank you have fun" after every transaction and one day i went to a supervisor to get help with something and i ACTUALLY SAID TO HER "thank you have fun" 😭

too brainrotted

[limpid summit]

Hold up! His writing is this FIRE?

[foggy fractal]

heres some text from all the way back in 2019
Fierce and intimidating, Shakra is a warrior seeking her master

[edgy river]

Yeah but he was also buffed up at that point. With voidheart inside a dream (as I said he may be able to do what he did in the real world but he only is able to make the siblings appear in the dream world as far as we know)

[sinful nimbus]

Shakra gives genderfluid vibes

[foggy fractal]

heres dialogue from the game

[edgy river]

Tho maybe he's just built like that

[rain spindle]

voidheart has the same effect in dream and outside dream

[limpid summit]

We don’t know how remote TK’s control is but if they wanted to bring up all the siblings they could

[silk dirge]

the transgenders are taking over silksong... wtf woke game i cant play this anymore /j

[foggy fractal]

She has lived a mere fraction of my lifetime and yet her rings prove a ferocious match. As gifted a warrior as I have ever encountered, and one I am fortunate to call a friend.

[rain spindle]

when you get it the void stops attacking the knight

[limpid summit]

There’s just no reason to do that within the bounds of gameplay so we don’t do it

[foggy fractal]

WOKE CHERRY.

[edgy river]

Ig, why are they being nice I want to bring the whole gang to the colesseum

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/walks-away-sad-leave-tom-and-jerry-gif-16877258

[modest coyote]

My bad

I thought shakra was a man

[foggy fractal]

she is a woman

[silk dirge]

i actually saw someone in youtube comments commenting how theyre glad silksong wasnt woke and then someone commented theres gay characters and this mf legit said "oh thats disappointing"

[foggy fractal]

LES GO !!! W WOMAN. W TEAM CHERRY.

[silk dirge]

average gamer 😭

[sacred heath]

funny enough silksong is less woke than hollow knight
what a letdown. step up your game tc

[modest coyote]

Tbf we do break up a gay couple by force

[edgy river]

Me and the troup (1000 shades of my dead brothers) raiding in the colesseum of fools and eradicating every living thing to get 2k geo

[rain spindle]

i mean

[sacred heath]

did you play through the whole game with a blindfold on

[foggy fractal]

do not listen to the average gamer.

[rain spindle]

they are twins

[silk dirge]

yeah everyone always talks about trans rights but never trans wrongs we need TRANS GMS

[foggy fractal]

did it say they were twins ?

[modest coyote]

No?

[sinful nimbus]

They are not twins they were just born at the same time

[modest coyote]

Cogwork dancer has the soul of a gay lover in two vessels due to some complex stuff but basically we kill him Nd green prince

We kill both gays

[sinful nimbus]

Im sad SS doesn't have a woke rating yet

[edgy river]

He's valid tbh

[modest coyote]

We also kill a nonbinary emo

[edgy barn]

They aren't twins. They were just born at the exact same time looking the exact same

[rain spindle]

its heavily implied, in the portuguese tl it does say they are twins, I asked rafael antunes (the translator) and he said he asked them abt it and it was an instruction by team cherry

[silk dirge]

isnt that literally the definition of twins 😭

[rain spindle]

so yeah they are twins

[modest coyote]

Actually idk if phantom is nonbinary lace says sister but she could just be bigotted

[limpid summit]

An instruction?

[sinful nimbus]

what

[limpid summit]

English translations are canon first and foremost

[modest coyote]

I could very much imagine lace being homophobic

[sinful nimbus]

Do you have the response

[rain spindle]

they are both

[modest coyote]

They literally kiss

[sinful nimbus]

Like a screenshot of sorts or anything like that

[limpid summit]

Yeah wait receipts that’s crazy

[rain spindle]

its incest

[modest coyote]

😭

Anyways my point is we do harm a lot of gay people in Silksong

[limpid summit]

Uhhh

[rain spindle]

Let me explain better

[limpid summit]

Man wtf 😭

[edgy river]

Turns out the only reason hornet is the "gendered child" is because every other sibling vocally specified they were non-binary to PK before jumping of the abyss (they weren't falling)

[rain spindle]

In translations, its normal for translators to ask the authors the meaning behind certain things

[modest coyote]

I don’t think there’s a gay person in Silksong we don’t kill

[rain spindle]

Im the portuguese translation, the princes are said to be twins

[modest coyote]

Maybe I am misremembering but I’m pretty sure we kill or assault anyone queer in Silksong

[sinful nimbus]

yeah yeah but can you send a screenshot of the translators response when you asked him

[modest coyote]

Not that woke if you ask me

[rain spindle]

I asked the translator if it was a mistake and he said "nah it was the info they told us'

They are both

[teal finch]

[rain spindle]

Brothers and lovers

[edgy river]

I don't like that they translate Pharloom to FiarLongo in portuguese

[fair zealot]

the english word "twins" can have a non-familial meaning

[silk dirge]

ayo what

[limpid summit]

I don’t think team cherry would have only made that clear in a single translation

And it could be twin like what up twin

[rain spindle]

Their circumstances at birth doomed them
They look exactly the same
Their were born at the same time

Apparently thats the intention

[modest coyote]

They look the same because you’re a racist

[rain spindle]

Maybe they retcon later

[foggy fractal]

GUH

[modest coyote]

What the hell

[rain spindle]

Is hornet racist too

[edgy river]

Why isn't Hallownest NinhoVazio if we're translating stuff like that

[modest coyote]

Yes?!

[foggy fractal]

also this

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah I think I'll only believe it with a screenshot

[limpid summit]

Green Prince and his lover are a metaphor for loving one so much like yourself that the lines blur
But they’re different unrelated people that’s what’s made clear in the English (canon) translation

[rain spindle]

Instead of saying dual princes it says twin princes in spanish, japanese and portuguese locs (I checked)

[limpid summit]

Twin as in parallel

[rain spindle]

I asked the portuguese translator and apparently yeah they are twins

[limpid summit]

Twin Towers

[foggy fractal]

uh oh

[rain spindle]

No literally twins

[limpid summit]

Is that the only place twin is said

[rain spindle]

Born at the same time yada yada

[edgy river]

I played in English and I thought it was pretty clear they were twins or at least siblings from how they talk about it

[limpid summit]

If so it’s the same context

[teal finch]

[limpid summit]

It was???

[fair zealot]

there's a difference between being born at the same time and being born of the same mother

[edgy river]

Like they do say they love each other but they were born at the same time and etc

[rain spindle]

Dude have you not being paying attention?

[limpid summit]

The Cogwork Dancers are the same entity

[foggy fractal]

like the word most commonly associated with this definition of twin
one of two children or animals born at the same birth

[sinful nimbus]

I've been paying attention and I haven't seen any proof yet

[sacred heath]

yeah yeah cool cool show us the screenshot

[limpid summit]

Twin rulers as in they ruled jointly

Not rulers that were twins

[edgy river]

Also they just look veeeery similar and different than the others of their kind in lost verandia. Which would make sense if they were both princes

[limpid summit]

This is insane

[foggy fractal]

yep
granted I ain't portuges

my bad, portuguese

[rain spindle]

I asked the portuguese translator why they translated as twins

[fair zealot]

it really depends on the Portuguese word used, not the English word "twins"

[rain spindle]

And he said it was the info team cherry gave them

[sinful nimbus]

did you ask him via email or something

[rain spindle]

They used gemeos

[sinful nimbus]

Or maybe discord

[rain spindle]

Gemeos exclusively mean twins

[sacred heath]

do you have, perhaps
evidence

[sinful nimbus]

If so can you screenshot it and send it here

[fair zealot]

does "gemeos" have a strictly familial definition?

[limpid summit]

Without evidence I can’t believe you but anyway
TC has gone to great lengths to anthropomorphize the bugs in HK and SS, including an incestuous relationship just because bugs have no familial bonds would be crazy

[rain spindle]

Yes

[edgy river]

Yeah

[rain spindle]

I mean it heavily hints towards it anyway

[edgy river]

I'm Brazilian and gêmeos is literally twins

[rain spindle]

I cant share it but you guys can ask him

His name is rafael antunes dotti

[sinful nimbus]

why can't you share it

[foggy fractal]

wait hold on let me check with the chinese version
ik that theres some translation issues with the chinese version but I'll check anyway

[limpid summit]

I don’t know Portuguese but ik Spanish and the word for related twins can also be used in a context of two related things (princes)

[rain spindle]

Dont feel comfortable exposing private messages with someone

[rain spindle]

Yeah no in portuguese it is exclusively twin brothers

[limpid summit]

We aren’t gonna bother the guy abt something that probably was a mixup

[edgy river]

I think they just love each other like siblings

[rain spindle]

Im also brazilian

[rain spindle]

No they are gay

But also twins

[wispy phoenix]

They might be inspired by fig wasps, which in real life do mate with their own siblings. Their appearance are not too far fetched from those. But

[edgy river]

Wokesong

[rain spindle]

Its very clearly a reference to elden ring

Where there is the same plot basically

[limpid summit]

No it seems like gemeo also refers to a less literal twin definition

[fair zealot]

fwiw i think it is reasonable to have immoral characters in fiction

[rain spindle]

No that would be alma gemea

Different word

Okay dont believe me then

[edgy river]

Maybe that's why GMS killed veridia, maybe she's homophobic

[rain spindle]

I dont care

[limpid summit]

Yeah but like often it’s layered it’s not just oh they were brothers especially if it’s not in English

[edgy river]

Another crime for GMS, PK would NEVER

[rain spindle]

Like cmon

They are stated to be similar. They were born at the same time. Their circumstances at birth doomed them

[foggy fractal]

ok just read the chinese translation and it also said twins, like familial twins

[rain spindle]

It's very obvious but it's nice that I got an answer

[foggy fractal]

like this 双生

[rain spindle]

Japanese also does it

[edgy river]

Good guy, he even made tons of children so they wouldn't feel lonely

[rain spindle]

German too iirc

[sacred heath]

alright so it’s incest gotcha

[wispy phoenix]

Can confirm, I am Chinese.

[foggy fractal]

yeah I was just checking with chinese bc I can verify that and you didn't mention it I think

[rain spindle]

Like again

I dont care

[foggy fractal]

hi Chinese

[rain spindle]

Silksong is dark fantasy

[wispy phoenix]

Ni hao

[limpid summit]

Chinese translation was ass

[hardy abyss]

So, hornet story path in pharloom is before or after hallownest's?

[rain spindle]

Dark fantasy has incest

[limpid summit]

Like yeah Chinese players said it was really bad

[fair zealot]

long after

[limpid summit]

After

[edgy river]

After

[rain spindle]

Its not only the chinese one

[wispy phoenix]

Yea Chinese translation is pretty bad until the second half of the game because I think the two translators didn't work together that much

[limpid summit]

A translation that suggests things the English one doesn’t talk about is extrapolating

[edgy river]

Do we have any idea of how long? It could be next week as far as I know

[rain spindle]

It's not just one

[limpid summit]

In general

[rain spindle]

It's multiple

[foggy fractal]

hi

[rain spindle]

This doesnt happen without some supervision. They cant all be wrong

There are hints too

[edgy river]

The English one imply I played in English and thought it was a given

Also why would they be exactly alike and larger than the others of their tribe of not they were both royalty™

[sinful nimbus]

They were meant for eachother

[limpid summit]

Dimorphism?

[sinful nimbus]

Its pretty standard lovey dovey stuff unlike incest

[rain spindle]

Yeah because they are twins

🫡

[sinful nimbus]

Twins generally don't date

[dusty sparrow]

hello guys

[edgy river]

Not to be mean but, don't know if it sounded like that

[dusty sparrow]

how is everyone doing

[fair zealot]

if they were "destined for each other" then they wouldn't simultaneously be "doomed", no?

[sinful nimbus]

Your only evidence for this is translations which aren't considered canon

[edgy river]

Anyway I do think it's implied in English enough that it's a safe bet

[limpid summit]

Yes Green Prince and his lover have a soulmate theme

[silk dirge]

its mainly just the chinese translation

[rain spindle]

Only one translation is messed

[dusty sparrow]

i love silksong ❤️

[rain spindle]

The others are good

[silk dirge]

but the fact they dont say twins in english is weird to me

[sinful nimbus]

Its a prophecy

[silk dirge]

like if that was important they would literally say that

[sinful nimbus]

They are doomed lovers

[edgy river]

And the Portuguese one?

[rain spindle]

It's likely not

But its hard to translate dual princes

Thats wht so many translations just went "they are twins"

[foggy fractal]

yeah the most cannon interpretation is always gonna be the English one cuz that's what TC wrote originally yes ?

[silk dirge]

i see i see

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[dusty sparrow]

guys do we think there's a physical connection between the hallownest and pharloom abyss? like does the abyss/void exist everywhere and it's just a continuous cavern no matter where you go?

[sinful nimbus]

yeah

[silk dirge]

yes

[rain spindle]

I know japanese and portuguese and can confirm their tls are stellar

[silk dirge]

like the underworld in terraria

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet says she suspects its always down there somewhere

[solid elk]

Tbh, since TC wrote the original script in English, I only count English as mattering.

Mistranslations happen all the time. Like how Pokémon moves often make no sense for what they do if you JUST use the English Translation of their names.

[rain spindle]

Portuguese especially

[edgy river]

Someone has a text dump with all the green prince dialogue? (In English)

[dusty sparrow]

that's pretty cool

[zinc jolt]

Phantom is silk creation like lace

[silk dirge]

i predicted it and im happy about the abyss underworld theory

[limpid summit]

Double Slap

[silk dirge]

i knew it would happen

[rain spindle]

The thing is that it cant be a mistl in multiple locs. Translators asl creators about their work

[fair zealot]

this is pretty surface level lore

[dusty sparrow]

yes, this is also implied heavily by the hunters journal

[edgy river]

Tbf the Portuguese translator when asked why use twins said "it was info given to me by Team Cherry"

[limpid summit]

Yeah but that’s usually story details it’s not like Green Prince is extremely vital

[rain spindle]

Its hard for me to think team cherry would allow it in so many locs

[sinful nimbus]

There is no proof he ever said this

[rain spindle]

You can ask him

[limpid summit]

So a little bit of mistranslation is always a possibility

[rain spindle]

Im not stopping you

[dusty sparrow]

guys do u remember poorly translated hollow knight

[solid elk]

Yes it can. Quite literal, we see this in other games, especially JRPGs and even Manga translations in other languages can be wildly different.

[dusty sparrow]

the skurry videos where the white lady's line translated into "is this a sex boy"

[rain spindle]

They are not different. They are the same

[sinful nimbus]

Its not like HK had the best translations either

[rain spindle]

Thats the point

Its also different

Why would so many translations insert something that wasnt there

[silk dirge]

bc there isnt a direct translation for "dual"

[rain spindle]

Again, translators ASK creators about their work

[solid elk]

We literally do see them be different. It happens often, as localization teams be doing things that aren't exact all the time

[sinful nimbus]

Misinterpretation and/or not having an analogue word

[sinful nimbus]

They also make mistakes

[rain spindle]

And you cant just invent some shit and call it a day

[dusty sparrow]

twin lovers is a bit too kinky for a bug game

[rain spindle]

Do u want me to believe all translations made the same mistake

[sinful nimbus]

HK's french translation swapped White Lady and Godseeker's dialogue and used Gorb's unused text

[solid elk]

This is actually the strongest evidence though, if TC signed off on the word for familial twins

[wispy phoenix]

Atp someone from TC will have to clarify this for this to stop coming up lol

[dusty sparrow]

guys is last judge male or female

[rain spindle]

Female

[silk dirge]

female i think

[sinful nimbus]

Well it doesn't align with the original text so like 🥴

[dusty sparrow]

ok

[fair zealot]

let's keep in mind the localizers did THE ENTIRE GAME and not this one piece of lore about the green princes

[wispy phoenix]

I thought last judge was a machine💀

[rain spindle]

Yeah buuut when something like that happens they need to ask the creators the meaning behind the sentence

[sinful nimbus]

Nah judges are organic

[teal finch]

i thought this too but found the secret baby judge room

[sinful nimbus]

Do they ask for the meaning of literally every piece of text or something

[solid elk]

Good question. Please ask the person I responded to about it

[rain spindle]

They ask when its something with dubious meaning

Do they can preserve the original meaning

[dusty sparrow]

yooo no pesticides on my judges? nice

[sinful nimbus]

This doesn't have a dubious meaning

[rain spindle]

If it was just the portuguese TL i would digress

[foggy fractal]

yeah Judges evolve from these little guys

[rain spindle]

But its many

[dusty sparrow]

cuteee

[sinful nimbus]

They don't feel comfortable sharing it for some reason

[rain spindle]

Basically all of them

[teal finch]

having to kill like 5 of these for true hunter 🥀

[unkempt schooner]

Hi

[sinful nimbus]

You read every translation?

[wispy phoenix]

Is that an actual mob in the game I don't remember it

[foggy fractal]

they are literally harmless too 😭

[teal finch]

its in a secret room

[silk dirge]

you can just needolin and they pop up

[marsh wagon]

so are we not going to crown hornet queen of the citadel shes literally royalty

[teal finch]

yes. but you nedd to kill them for the full journal entry

[wispy phoenix]

😭 just how many secrets does this game have

[fair zealot]

this happens in the weaver queen ending

[solid elk]

Hornet kills children just like her dad. It runs in the family

[foggy fractal]

yep in a room in the blasted steps, its kinda hidden plus you need to play your needolin for a while for them to pop back up

[rain spindle]

I read the ones I know (portuguese, japanese) a friend of mine showed me in german, now we know it happens in Chinese too. Spanish too

[sinful nimbus]

Pharloom didn't seem to have a system of succession in place for weavers

[fair zealot]

2

[dusty sparrow]

also i have a question. do you guys know all the worms in blasted steps? do we think they look a lot like the pale king's early wyrm form? i'm not saying he's one of them but do you think they could potentially be related to the larger wyrms (though much more common)?

[silk dirge]

yeah and you needolin them and they pop up and you can kill them easy

[teal finch]

i mean yeah

[silk dirge]

probably not

[teal finch]

my point is that i didnt want to kill them bro

[sinful nimbus]

I'll believe it when I get proof

[teal finch]

theyre too cute 🥀

[dusty sparrow]

ok that's fair. a counterpoint is that the wyrms are higher beings while the blasted steps worms are pretty normal bugs

[silk dirge]

i think theyre just dune sandworm reference bc tc likes dune

[foggy fractal]

yeah its nothing definitive unless TC comes and say it

[fair zealot]

it is good to be wary of sharing private conversations in public but you are allowed to ask the other party if you may do so

[wispy phoenix]

Maybe it's like how radiance is a moth and there are also common moths, you could have a wyrm god and common wyrms

[rain spindle]

Fine I will ask him for permission

[sinful nimbus]

Radiance isn't a moth she is their creator

[dusty sparrow]

does anyone else find blasted steps very cool? the music of the area is so haunting, ominous, grand, but also has a kind of warped effect to it. and the constant wind and judges make it really feel like a final ascent. thematically it was one of my favorite areas

[sinful nimbus]

I like blasted steps yeah

That song is pretty unsettling tbh

[silk dirge]

im curious if its blasted steps as in dynamite or if they are like

[sinful nimbus]

Larkin kills it for every area

[silk dirge]

"blasted" as in like expressive

[sinful nimbus]

Blasted with sand

[dusty sparrow]

blasted by the worms maybe

[sacred heath]

blasted with wind

[wispy phoenix]

She is? i thought they just worshipped her

[rain spindle]

I mean isnt being born at the same time, have the same face and having circumstances at birth dooming your love not enough to connect the dots

[fair zealot]

i do wonder if the name "blasted" steps has any relation to the pale king's description of the plains beyond the howling cliffs

[foggy fractal]

shellwood is pretty goated

[wary plover]

Wait so what exactly happened to the skarrs, nyleth, and the crusts?

[rain spindle]

But fine yall win

[edgy barn]

...maybe that's what happen to the coral civilization

[sinful nimbus]

I guess the judges "blast" pilgrims in the sense of the condemning them

[rain spindle]

J will ask rafael for permission to share the convo

[edgy barn]

They got blown up

[sinful nimbus]

EG "Blast it!"

[sinful nimbus]

That's what Seer says

[silk dirge]

lets blast

[fair zealot]

also sand blasting is a thing

[sacred heath]

ah those blasted steps, hate em, never go there kids it’s horrible. You pay them 30 geo to sit down for 5 minutes

[foggy fractal]

silksong reference ?

[lapis creek]

yes. people don't talk about it enough

the last judge runback needs to stay

[silk dirge]

people complaining about last judge runback actually just have a skill issue

[sinful nimbus]

Its like 2 rooms

SS runbacks are chill

[silk dirge]

blasted steps is so cool and i wont be convinced otherwise

[foggy fractal]

yeah Last Judge wasn't even that bad lmao

[dusty sparrow]

you guys can disagree with me if you want, and i still think christopher larkin's output for this OST was amazing, but something about it just didn't quite feel as iconic as the original Hollow Knight pieces. they all just instantly clicked thematically. these ones are all great compositions, sure, but some of them lack a distinctive or memorable enough sound IMHO. like the city of tears song lives rent free in my head but choral chambers doesn't really despite its beauty. maybe i just haven't spent enough time with the game

[lapis creek]

magma bell makes it easy

[silk dirge]

if you use a little bit of brain you can skip every judge and driznit on the route

[lapis creek]

but still

[wispy phoenix]

Ah ok, I guess it's just her design that based on a moth

[foggy fractal]

I did 😔 I killed her after another like 3 tries tho

[fair zealot]

people complaining about last judge runback are forgetting soul master, mantis lords, traitor lord, so many of hollow knight's runbacks

[sacred heath]

not groal’s

[silk dirge]

hive knight was bad

[sinful nimbus]

I think the added sound quality by having real instruments and an entire freaking choir adds a lot to the soundtrack

I also remember most area themes and I love how a lot of them use percussion of some kind

[limpid summit]

Last Judge people overreacted to Groal is ass unless you find the hidden bench which is genuinely not that easy

And the stilkin are more annoying than the actual boss

[edgy barn]

I complained about several of those too

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ DUNNNN DUNNNN DUNNN DUNNNNNNNNN DUN DUN DUN DUN (soul master ost)

[silk dirge]

yeah the arena is my main issue

[edgy river]

"Here, the proof of our majesty... mark of our divine right..."
Many mentions of a shared "right" to rule. Wouldn't happen if only one was child of the king

[sinful nimbus]

Groal has 2 nearby benches but its not like I would know since I first tried him 🥱

[silk dirge]

the tall stillkin are fine the small ones are so fucking annoying

they just pop out whenever they want

[sinful nimbus]

or there are two kings

[fair zealot]

there is actually a bench very close to the groal arena, it's practically inside it

[sacred heath]

you and I have very definitions of “nearby”

[sinful nimbus]

Princes usually marrying other royalty and all that

[foggy fractal]

it is inside it right ?

just can't access it until you beat the boss lmao !

[fair zealot]

"practically" does not exclude "literally" :)

[glacial citrus]

Is widow the mutation of one of those spiders with rags on them instead of the thing for weavers

[sacred heath]

did you ask nicely

[foggy fractal]

yeah

they are kinda assholes

[sinful nimbus]

Widow is pretty similar to the weavers she was just mutilated

[fair zealot]

the most asshole character in silksong is the skull tyrant

[silk dirge]

if you somehow find putrified ducts before groal and thats your runback you are a lucky mf

[foggy fractal]

was this deserved ? what did Widow even do again ?

[teal finch]

this happened w me

[dusty sparrow]

yes, and i really appreciate a lot of those. however as an experienced violinist and musician of 15+ years i will warn that larkin still uses (and IMO overuses) artificial and synth effects. these add extra padding that orchestral or vocal effects simply sometimes cannot

my favorite soundtracks as a result were a lot of the string quartet/quintet ones (lace, widow, strive)

[edgy barn]

R.I.P Little Pilgrim

[lime nova]

Interesting to hear him called White Wyrm. Makes me think of the Blackwyrm that Ogrim mentions. It seems as though the Weavers only ever went to Hallownest to create Hornet. Also I wonder why they waited so long after her birth to capture her; many lifetimes as Hornet puts it.
Herrah seems to have been the one they intended to have bear Hornet, yet she intented to allow her to be free and not be captured. I'm curious how much of the plan she knew

[foggy fractal]

does this mean there is a Red Wyrm.

[edgy river]

What

[sinful nimbus]

Like the drones in the background?

[sinful nimbus]

In the past it was common for royalty to marry other unrelated royalty

[whole hawk]

RGB Gamer Wyrm even.

[craggy smelt]

or, in many cases, related royalty - that's why some british royals had so many teeth

[sinful nimbus]

Yak you're not a green incest truther are you 🥹

[dusty sparrow]

that and a hundred other things we don't normally notice. tension sound effects, soft synth tones without much timbre, suspended cymbal effects stretched to impossible durations, etc.

[edgy river]

Then they would be both kings of both lands. Not a single kingdom

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah yeah

[craggy smelt]

noooo... they're not les-bros
they're just born on the same date

[sinful nimbus]

Still its an overall very polished sound imo

It feels more grand and real than HK

[edgy barn]

How do you get Herrah being in on the plan from this text? It doesn't reference her at all.

[dusty sparrow]

i mean it's still beautiful and very artful. i think it adds to the beauty of the soundtrack. i'm not for stripping the silksong OST of all artificial effects, but i'm simply saying that the idea that it's all "real" this time is a bit flawed.

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah true

[foggy fractal]

we were talking about how a few translations use words/phrases that are usually the equivalent to a familial twin
English translations is still should be the most cannon though cuz that's what TC wrote originally

[edgy river]

He mentions their throne couldn't be ruled alone implying he wasn't a full king of any place, but both shared the right to rule

[craggy smelt]

whoops

[dusty sparrow]

i think the crust king khann theme is really cool

[teal finch]

proof of concept for text dump organizing idk if ill ever have the time to do it all though lol

[sinful nimbus]

Or they need to be married to rule

[edgy barn]

I mean yeah but most people born in the same date do not look the exact same, nor were they born in the same place.

[lime nova]

I suppose I interpreted "chamber" as them moving to Hallownest

[dusty sparrow]

it gives heavy false knight/watcher knights vibes

[sinful nimbus]

Why are we doing mental gymnastics to force incest into the plot

[lime nova]

What?

[whole hawk]

Speaking of Crust King, I wonder if his race abd Lord Fool are related.

[rain spindle]

It's not mental gymnastics lol

[edgy barn]

(Just for the record, I do not actually think TC made an incest couple, but this whole thing is quite funny to me so I am just going to keep adding fuel to the fire)

[edgy river]

At that point u are making up 30 things to not have the obvious answer which not only the text most closely aligns itself to but every other translation follows

[foggy fractal]

and nothing in English explicitly said they were familial twins

[dusty sparrow]

ohhh that's an interesting idea. but then again they may just have similar masks, we don't really see what's underneath the mask

[edgy river]

It's not confirmed but it is leaning A LOT on them being brothers

[craggy smelt]

the fools were originally going to have a Lobster... is there a crustacean connection?!
(probably not)

[limpid summit]

Occam’s razor suggests that Team Cherry probably intended a non-incestuous explanation for anything green Prince

[rain spindle]

Pleasr tell me what more being totally alike physically, being born at the same time and having their circumstances at birth dooming them meaning

[sinful nimbus]

Its very standard for this to be the case

[foggy fractal]

right right

[limpid summit]

Soulmates dude

[rain spindle]

Give an explanation that makes more sense than them being twins

[limpid summit]

That’s the point of Green Prince’s plotline

He and his lover were soulmates and he saw his lovers soul split in two in a pale imitation of their love

[rain spindle]

Soulmates arent born at the same time and have their birth dooming them

[whole hawk]

Nomadic warrior tribes (Mongolian inspired) that set up arena encampments across the world. Lord Fool obviously died ages ago but his colpsseum culture remained.

[edgy river]

No one is saying it is confirmed but it is the best explanation we got

[rain spindle]

Try again

[limpid summit]

Try again?

[rain spindle]

Yeah try again

Soulmates doesnt explain ANHTHING

[limpid summit]

Dude the logical explanation is that Team Cherry didn’t put incest in they game

[edgy river]

They are the only two of their kind in that stature and size, they were both royalty, shared the throne of the same place

[limpid summit]

I don’t have to try again

[dusty sparrow]

ohhh yeahhh the cogwork dancers theme is also epic

[sinful nimbus]

This part of the Grand Mother Silk theme has been living in my head all day https://youtu.be/qK1X_9EOmhQ?t=188

[dusty sparrow]

it lowkey is such a viennese waltz

[sacred heath]

I’ve got an idea
how about you show us some goddamn evidence instead of making us do this the other way round

[foggy fractal]

plus if they were brothers I'd feel like Hornet would've commented on it instead of just saying

For one to love another so similar to themselves, is that selfless or vain?

[sinful nimbus]

The time is 3:08 since discord doesn't embed timestamps properly

[limpid summit]

The Red Maiden sequence with the flies was peak so

[rain spindle]

? But this isnt about the translator

[foggy fractal]

absoulute cinema...

[rain spindle]

Im literally using the evidencr game gives us

10 minutes ago

[whole hawk]

Desperately needs a super boss version

[rain spindle]

No

[wispy phoenix]

When the cogwork dancer 3rd and 4th phase music kicked in, I got so much goosebumps

[foggy fractal]

like a comment on a brotherly bond or smth, even tho their portrayal wasn't really like that

[sacred heath]

okay no that’s not what they’re doing

[rain spindle]

In the gane it is is said they were born at the same time, have the same physical appearance and had their circumstances at birth doom them

And i am waiting for the guy to answer

Chill

[foggy fractal]

I'm too lazy to go into my game
screen grab it in chinese
highlight the words that say twin

[rain spindle]

Yes

[foggy fractal]

y'all trust me on the chinese part

[rain spindle]

But the other things I said dont revolve around it

There is in game evidence for it

[rain spindle]

Why are you ignoring this

[limpid summit]

There’s tons of stories in media of lovers born at the same time fated to be together that’s not evidence

[rain spindle]

This is in the english translation

[rain spindle]

That look the same?

[sacred heath]

i have met Deltarune theorists with more common sense than you

[rain spindle]

That have their circumstances at birth to doom their love?

[limpid summit]

Physical appearance could be chalked up to bugs, as well as the metaphor their relationship is attempting to convey

[edgy river]

They look exactly the same

[rain spindle]

No hornet outright says they are too similar

I claimed it

[edgy river]

While every one else in the tribe is different from them

[rain spindle]

But I have other arguments

[limpid summit]

Dude that’s the least complicated
They were born under the shadow of the oppressive slaver Citadel they were obviously doomed from birth

[rain spindle]

Not just that

[rain spindle]

What does that have to do with dooming their >love<

[limpid summit]

Two princes in a land ruled with an iron fist, doomed; that makes perfect sense

One of them died??

[foggy fractal]

doompost !!!

[rain spindle]

According to the prince grand mother silk didnt arrive yet when they were born

[limpid summit]

The Citadel

[rain spindle]

The citadel only exists because of her

[sacred heath]

that was one of his arguments yes but it wasn’t his only one
for god’s fucking sake man think before you speak

[limpid summit]

The Citadel was built by the weavers to contain GMS but the Choir took it over and committed atrocities before she woke up again

The game tells us this

[edgy river]

A convincing argument should have more than one point when there is no proof involved either way.

The translations is one point and you are choosing to pretend it's the only point to not have to find arguments that go for your interpretation

[rain spindle]

And they were born before it was built

[sinful nimbus]

Verdania was probably screwed over before the citadel was made

[sacred heath]

i am not going to have this conversation with you actually

[sinful nimbus]

GMS is the one its ruining is attributed to

[rain spindle]

No. Hornet says it was screwed bc of grand mother silk

[edgy river]

No one here is claiming it's confirmed they are twins. But lore discussion isn't to be focused only on what is confirmed. There are thing in life we can make reasonable guesses given the evidence

[rain spindle]

Prince agrees

[sinful nimbus]

This supports what I said

The citadel seals Grand Mother Silk so it'd have to be before it was made

Or after but Verdania fell a long time ago

[rain spindle]

It fell because the prince abandoned it iirc

When their twin died

[edgy river]

Again, ignoring all the other points and choosing to live in a fantasy world where the arguments for their being twins is only the translation, when it's merely being used as a minor evidence for it

[sinful nimbus]

Its not a reasonable guess

[rain spindle]

Its very reasonable

[whole hawk]

"2025. I continue to be forgotten..."

[sinful nimbus]

Current evidence suggests they were soulmates unless MossNoAH is telling the truth about the translators its not really a reasonable thing to say

[rain spindle]

You ust dont want to accept it

[foggy fractal]

idk if TC would've added incest to Hollow Knight: Silksong anyways
I doubt they just glanced over it either

[edgy river]

I laughed at this so hard

[limpid summit]

There is no concrete evidence that they are twins. Everything in the English translation is to connect to the metaphor that Hornet touches on in the journal entry: loving one so much like yourself, in appearance and history

[sacred heath]

you are the worst theorist I think I’ve ever seen in my life I’m just gonna put that out there

[sinful nimbus]

One of your evidence points was that it was an Elden Ring reference

[limpid summit]

Alright guys calm down

[rain spindle]

Its not possible they werent aware of so many tls doing that

[teal finch]

so awesome this is ahppening within 2 weeks of the game coming out

[sinful nimbus]

Adds gay relationship and makes it incestous
what did they mean by this

[foggy fractal]

ok, I doubt TC would've added incest to Hollow Knight: Silksong tho

[foggy fractal]

HMMMMMMMMMMMM

[edgy river]

I haven't seen moss say it's confirmed one time

[rain spindle]

Its normal in dark fantasy

I dont see why not honestly

[sinful nimbus]

They said it was confirmed by a translator

[limpid summit]

Also Team Cherry is tactful about gay bugs I don’t think they’d put their game’s gay relationship in a place where it could be called deviant

[rain spindle]

Yeah I said that

[sacred heath]

the Portuguese translation is not the sole source of their argument they are also using stuff from the English translation and using it to back up that point
even if the Portuguese stuff WAS meant to be ambiguous we’d still have the English stuff talking about all that

[limpid summit]

That would send the wrong message

[edgy river]

That is true, incest is too much they draw the line in infanticide

[rain spindle]

Does it need to send a message

[sinful nimbus]

Making a positively portrayed relationship incestuous is uh pretty different from that 🥴

[rain spindle]

Its a dark twist in a story

It happens a lot

Elden Ring has it as well

[silk dirge]

its like they had no option but to love eachother right

[limpid summit]

But it’s pointless it doesn’t add anything that’s not the style of writing TC employs

You’re assuming they would just add an incest plotline for no reason

[sacred heath]

yeah it’s never said outright theyre actually twins. but.
hand on shoulder. i am looking you in the eyes.

***that’s why it’s a theory you blockhead ***

[sinful nimbus]

....right?
-# looks at act 3

[whole hawk]

A franchise with whiteward, underworks, and soul sanctum but we somehow draw the line at (potential) incest.

[lime nova]

Just in case anyone needed proof that GMS is a pale being

[sinful nimbus]

Theories can be critiqued

[rain spindle]

Lmaaaao

[sinful nimbus]

"Erm actually guys its just a theory" isn't an argument its a thought terminating cliche

[silk dirge]

ok we are not doing this again

[lime nova]

Wait is it not confirmed that they were lovers?

[edgy river]

I'll just leave this convo because it's not confirmed and the arguments now are

"Hey I have this evidence"

"Yah but it's not confirmed"

in an endless cycle

[sinful nimbus]

Do you prefer the gay incest convo

[limpid summit]

Star was joking guys fanservice isn’t the same as a plotline that would weird people out

[rain spindle]

I dont think its a theory I think it's outright the case

[sacred heath]

yeah no I 100% agree
but the way this person is doing it is so fundamentally incorrect it is making my head spin

[limpid summit]

It’s confirmed that they were lovers not twins

[teal finch]

so like what if he does pull up the screenshot what then

[rain spindle]

Just gonna wait for the translator to reply

[silk dirge]

neither

[lime nova]

Those aren't mutually exclusive

[limpid summit]

Dawg

[sinful nimbus]

Sure but what you said didn't actually meaningfully address what they said

[rain spindle]

Born at the same time
Same appearance
Circumstances at birth doomed their love

[foggy fractal]

yeah the community is fine with infanticide
are they gonna be fine with incest in a gay couple

[rain spindle]

Thats all im gonna say

[lime nova]

Ohhhh yes, correct

[rain spindle]

They were fated to rule together

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/soccer-football-anime-blue-lock-isagi-yoichi-gif-27440248

[sacred heath]

i am not saying they aren’t lovers and neither is he

[rain spindle]

Thats all im gona say

[foggy fractal]

peak discussions we're having here

[chilly gyro]

Anyone notice how both GMS(Grand Mother Silk) and Radiance both have their feet fused into a pointed tip?

[rain spindle]

I said it's heavily implied

[hasty flint]

just got back from a drive, who the fuck is saying the canon gay lovers are brothers

[sacred heath]

to be fair!
those lines! can absolutely be taken that way!
do I believe it? No! but I’m not gonna dismiss the possibility

[hasty flint]

for homophobic reasons or "I skipped the dialogue" reasons

[rain spindle]

It's incest

[sacred heath]

…honestly maybe i should take a step back I’m getting actually fuming over this

[teal finch]

ok theyre not saying theyre mutually exclusive theyre just arguing its both

[hasty flint]

ok wow third option i didnt expect

yeah obviously, the game would not get the rating it did if it had incest in it

[wispy phoenix]

I don't think they are twins, but I don't think we should rule it out as a possibility.

[rain spindle]

In english it's implied

In most tls it's confirmed

"Confirmed"

[teal finch]

anywyay i also did bell hermit a while ago but im so fr this shit actually takes forever cause all the dialogue bits are scattered too

[hasty flint]

the hell it is! it's not in there at all

[edgy river]

Tbh rain specifically is just trying to create chaos here ngl

He isn't interfacing with arguments and is specially nitpicking the not-confirmed parts all while not giving any good points himself

I don't see anyone else saying they know rhe absolute truth and people are just trying to have fun theorizing and interpreting stuff in the game and he is treating like we are trying to cause a revolution and remove all non-cannon-incest believers out of chat

[sinful nimbus]

And they are one soul too so like 🥴

[frail dove]

Water

[edgy river]

This

[hasty flint]

i dont think team cherry would put incest into their game

[sinful nimbus]

No one has adequately supported the possibility so there's no reason to actually take it seriously

[rain spindle]

Born at the same time
Same appearance
Circumstances at birth doomed their love
They were fated to rule together

[foggy fractal]

just wait till TC says it, I doubt it'd be that problematic anyway
I hope most people will be levelheaded either way

[teal finch]

tbf this is the infanticide series

[limpid summit]

Tysm for this it’s not even on the wiki yet

[tawdry flare]

The dialogue in game says that they were lovers born at the same time which does NOT mean twins

[sacred heath]

this moss guy has a theory and is using good evidence he found to back up that theory
even if I don’t believe said theory myself I’m not just gonna dismiss it

[rain spindle]

Born at the same time
Same appearance
Circumstances at birth doomed their love
They were fated to rule together

[teal finch]

theres like 2 whole other pages for bell hermit alone i just screenshotted what i could + am using the text dump otehr people here have shared

[rotund minnow]

first time i opened this channel and wow this is not the conversation i was expecting to see AT ALL

[sinful nimbus]

Its bad evidence

By extension its a bad theory

[meager drum]

im in wisp thicket but the map says im in the citadel, is the wisp thicket actually a part of the citadel?

[tawdry flare]

SAME

[edgy river]

A lot of people here don't agree with the idea, just that ur way of talking about it comes out dismissive and you haven't brought any good points up

Other people who disagree actually had decent points

[sacred heath]

it’s middling evidence let’s leave it at that

[tawdry flare]

I don’t even want to engage with this

[foggy fractal]

no no we can start a revolution

sounds fun

[sacred heath]

welcome to our special hell

[worthy kettle]

on what terms is hornet with ||the void||?
is it good or bad? or in between, as theres some ||voracious void|| and some ||friendly void like the shades of the vessels?||

[sinful nimbus]

Also the lore tablet describing their birth specifies that they were born APART which immediately rules out the idea that they are twins

[meager drum]

?

[wispy phoenix]

Just because something wasnt stated, it doesn't mean it's not the case. You have to find opposing evidence first to rule out a possibility.

[sinful nimbus]

You cannot be born at the same time from the same mother in different places

[edgy river]

It was my initial interpretation that they were twins but in retrospect, I do agree it does not add anything so it wouldn't make sense to be there, which managed to convince me how uncertain this really are. It's being a helpful conversation overall

[sacred heath]

oh wait actually?
i uh. did not know that!

[rain spindle]

No

[tawdry flare]

The Void has no mind so it will just try to eat Hornet, the Knight has control and will not do that probably

[sinful nimbus]

Greymoor subarea

[rain spindle]

It says they were born apart entwined

[limpid summit]

Hornet isn’t a fan of the void itself but she thinks fondly of TK and THK

[edgy river]

Just that in any way, it's unclear and we can't rule out any possibility but believe in one and understand other who believe in another

[sinful nimbus]

So they were born at the same time

In a different place

With entwined fates

[wispy phoenix]

Unless insects hatch eggs..?

[rain spindle]

It is an euphemism because they are two different people sharing the same soul

[foggy fractal]

”Two children born, intertwined, separated, two children marked by ruling."
I feel a sense of deja vu btw have we been here

[rain spindle]

Doesnt disprove the theory

[sinful nimbus]

Why would the eggs be stored apart

[sinful nimbus]

...no

[silk dirge]

so twins could just be a metaphor then right

[edgy river]

How does that explain the fact they are both princes of the same land?

[tawdry flare]

Have you considered that their mother might just be really big

[rain spindle]

So they are both royalty children

Interesting

[sinful nimbus]

Two royal families

[edgy river]

The fact they both have a right to rule together, but not separately

[rain spindle]

There isnt two royal families in verdania

[edgy river]

If they were two royal families, each would have their own land to rule

[meager drum]

the map says im in the citadel though?

[chilly gyro]

I have a theory

[sinful nimbus]

Proof

[rain spindle]

Its is said in the tablet in the conjoined throne

[rain spindle]

!

[sinful nimbus]

show me

[foggy fractal]

if they were twins I'd feel like it would say born together or smth
but intertwined

[rain spindle]

There was one ruler for generation

[tawdry flare]

Ari Gibson likes this design choice

[limpid summit]

We don’t know anything about the history of Verdania the conjoined throne is for those two

[foggy fractal]

chop it up to a design aspect Ari likes
so what if this is a direct relation anyways ? that they are sisters ???

[chilly gyro]

Their both higher beings

[foggy fractal]

yeah and we know this explicitly anyway

[visual vale]

hi guys, i had a realization a few minutes ago. silksong has a lot of themes of religion (pilgrims trying to reach the highest point of pharloom with rosaries to show faith) and motherhood (literally grand mother silk), has this chat had any thoughts about First Sinner

[tawdry flare]

Yeah she’s the best boss in the game excluding the obvious

[austere aurora]

48 to 62k anually 🤑

[visual vale]

like First Sinner as in Eve as well, who was the first sinner in the bible right? my bible knowledge is kinda low admittedly

[teal finch]

i kinda need her

[edgy river]

He even specifically says he can't rule alone like the right to rule verdania is split between them.

With 2 kings he would have the right to rule his land and the other one another land

[visual vale]

but i remember something like that

[sacred heath]

shruth nuke

[visual vale]

and thought it might hint at more lore involving weavers

[edgy river]

You have to do acrobatics to explain this without them being siblings

[chilly gyro]

I still find it somewhat significant that both higher beings are shown to have no legs and levitate. Is this what most higher beings are like?

[foggy fractal]

need her dead ? need her alive ? need her what.

[sinful nimbus]

First sinner is so glazed🥀

[foggy fractal]

not really ?

[sinful nimbus]

Its barely in the top 5

TE final boss is the best one followed by like Seth

[tawdry flare]

Well she isn’t in the top 5 because the top 5 is all filled by Crawfather

[sinful nimbus]

True...

[foggy fractal]

unn, nightmare heart, void given focus, pale king, etc don't share this design aspect

[sacred heath]

From what I know
First Sinner rejected GMS as her ruler and got sent to gay baby jail as a result

[sinful nimbus]

Crawfather has crazy aura

[foggy fractal]

his name is Seth both in game and irl RAGH.

[glossy badger]

Yeah she was although some would say the devil was

[chilly gyro]

Ok, yeah I might be a bit crazy then.

[foggy fractal]

I did not expect this fight btw it was tottaly unspoiled for me

[glossy badger]

Same

[austere aurora]

cogwork dancers is lowkey the best boss in the game

[foggy fractal]

wth is that

[chilly gyro]

It was honestly kinda pleasant to fight

[edgy river]

Hope the obvious is GMS I actually love that bossfight

[sacred heath]

no, no, you’ve got a point

[tawdry flare]

I went into Clover Dancers expecting a better fight and did not get that 💔

[edgy river]

Didn't like Shadow Lace as much

[foggy fractal]

all good

[tawdry flare]

(The obvious is Crawfather)

[austere aurora]

schnoz

[visual vale]

ok that super adds up, the cutscene of the spider turning into the weaver under the light could also mirror god giving mankind gifts in the bible (idk what he actually does), and the first sinner being the first sinner gets locked up because she doesn't fw GMS, makes the themes of silksong super interesting

thank you chat :D

[edgy river]

Its fun and I love the music but way too easy and predictable

Same problem with clover dancers it's not even much harder

[sacred heath]

again, that’s just what I remember
I’ve got no clue how true the info I gave you was so you might want to ask around more

[silk dirge]

idk if lost lace is my favorite but shes definitely up there

she has some telefrag stuff which can be annoying

[visual vale]

yeah probably lol

[austere aurora]

it rlly does feel like they intended cogwork dancers to be beat on your first try to emphasise the storytelling part of the fight

[tawdry flare]

I think the spectacle more than covers for the difficulty but that shrimply isn’t true for Clover Dancers….

[sinful nimbus]

They invite you in the most aura farming way possible

[glossy badger]

Also says she's the only weaver hornet knows about that weaves runes into attacks

[sage flame]

So true

[visual vale]

yeah something equivalent to eating the apple, i'm not sure what exactly she did to get locked up like THK so finding that out would be pretty awesome

[edgy river]

I don't like lost lace

[silk dirge]

lost lace is a lot different

i like lost lace better than normal lace tho

[tawdry flare]

I like Lost Lace except for that One Attack I hate that One Attack

[silk dirge]

a lot more interesting

[foggy fractal]

Lost Lace even after some practice can be cleared really fast with end game gear
like theres a 1 minute fight

[sinful nimbus]

The double charge?

[edgy river]

Lace was an okeyish boss and lost lace was annoying because I hate the void moves

[wispy phoenix]

I think cogwork dancer as a fight is more a storytelling/world building device. If it was too hard no one would have the focus to pay attention to its art 😂

[sage flame]

Clover Dancers was a let down because I thought it was going to be more chaotic and harder. It was the same difficulty

[tawdry flare]

No the void bullets that have no audio or visual cue

[wispy phoenix]

But I agree

[silk dirge]

saying lace is ok is wild

[austere aurora]

THAT attack from THAT phase of THAT boss you unlock in THAT ending

[foggy fractal]

there was also an older 1 minute fight that had dmg numbers changed
but then a real one came out which was peak

[sinful nimbus]

wym there's a visual indicator of where they'll spawn

[tawdry flare]

It’s very hard to see while focusing on the boss that will telefrag you

[silk dirge]

idk who my favorite is actually

maybe karmelita

[glossy badger]

Mine is phantom

[tawdry flare]

Based…

[silk dirge]

or first sinner

[edgy river]

It makes a lot of sense for cogs as well. It's rhythmic and precise

Each one of them doing their part separately to make a machine (the fight) work together

This gets lost in clover dancers which I why I prefer the og

[sinful nimbus]

You got peripheral vision use it

[edgy river]

It's a great fight ngl

[foggy fractal]

Karmelita seems to be loved by the whole commnunity
I think I saw one comment about how she was too easy/cheesable tho ?

[silk dirge]

my favorite silksong boss is tiso anyone who disagrees is objectively wrong

[visual vale]

mine is between karmelita, first sinner (she uses the widow song), and phantom

[edgy river]

I just don't like the Gauntled at the beggining

[austere aurora]

mine is cogwork dancers but i might be a fraud cuz i havent beaten every boss yet

[sinful nimbus]

Seth Trobbio and Karmelita are the goats of Silksong

Crazy fun fights

[edgy river]

Who's seth

[tawdry flare]

Peripheral vision is the equivalent of saving and quitting in Steel Soul

[glossy badger]

Cogwork dancers is s tier for me

[visual cedar]

i just hugged the upper walls and spammed pale nails and tacks lmao

[wispy phoenix]

Yea 100% agree, but we gonna be crying on our asses when they release DLC where we fight both princes at their prime and it's 4x faster😭

[sacred heath]

so is first sinner

[visual vale]

i need silksong equivalent godhome dlc NOW

[edgy river]

I forgot about seth, who are rhey

[visual vale]

the boss fights are so well made ❤️‍🩹

[silk dirge]

i mean if you want to you can but that ruins the fun

i purposely did not use the dice for lost lace

[tawdry flare]

Especially Plasmified Zango

[visual cedar]

nope, you will test your builds on the final boss exclusively and like it

[edgy river]

I was half expecting to have a boss rush mode at least

[visual vale]

[glossy badger]

I didn't use dice the whole game because I didn't know about them💀

[edgy river]

Ik there will be dlc but they could add to it layer

Who's him in game?

[edgy barn]

Same honestly.

[tawdry flare]

The fact that they buff Wanderer’s Crest fills me with a strange joyous fury

[glossy badger]

Shrine gaurdian

[sacred heath]

they what

[glossy badger]

They did?

[edgy barn]

Or even something along the lines of the Colloseum of Fools; a redoable combat challenge.

[sacred heath]

I’m sorry they what

[edgy river]

I equipped it for the funny and it took me an embarrassing amount of time for me to connect the dots that they were why I wasn't taking dmg randomly

[silk dirge]

its crazy how seth is guarding a worse boss 😭

[tawdry flare]

The dice increase the crit chance on Wanderer’s iirc

[silk dirge]

nyleth is cool but shes definitely not my favorite boss

[glossy badger]

Genius

[austere aurora]

seth might be the greatest boss in fiction purely based off of his origin

[glossy badger]

Nyleth is f tier idc

[sacred heath]

THERE ARE CRITS IN THIS GAME????

[edgy river]

Looked it up and truuuue very fun fight as well I love him

[silk dirge]

nyleth is actually really easy if you use the wall stick tool

[whole hawk]

Nyleth is more fun than Seth.

[silk dirge]

wild take

[foggy fractal]

ok fair
its short enough to it didn't affect me but its basically wastes your time after like your first two rodeos with it

[sacred heath]

guarding nyleth from the fraud watch

[austere aurora]

ahh opinion

[glossy badger]

Oh yeah they do

[edgy barn]

Eh, I personally like Nyleth better not counting the backstory behind Seth's development. Shielded enemies are really not my thing and Nyleth is a rather unique fight.

[weary pier]

“She called us daughters… Called us divine… She lied…” WOW

[edgy river]

Nyleth felt easy for me and I feel people forget the harpoon exists when they fight it and makes it harder

[sinful nimbus]

First sinner just sits around and spams flying nails all day and if I wanted that I'd fight Radiance or Grand Mother Silk

[rain spindle]

Worst take ever

[edgy river]

Harpoon is a excellent approach tool

[sacred heath]

actually genuinely who was going to tell me this

[silk dirge]

i just kinda cheesed nyleth by taking time and only pogoing her when she dashed

[glossy badger]

Seth felt tedious to me

[silk dirge]

it wasnt that bad

[sacred heath]

did you and I fight the same boss

[blissful harbor]

harpooning in fights is so encouraged but i cant for the life of me get my brain to do it

[foggy fractal]

what if we all fight Karmelita instead

[whole hawk]

Bless his soul but Seth just made me want to fight better duel bosses. Meanwhile Nyleth was super fun for being a floor is lava boss. I wishher fight was longer and had a bigger arena even.

[sacred heath]

oh that’s dreadful

[sinful nimbus]

Harpooning is cool when you realize you regain the silk and are just dealing damage

[silk dirge]

the objective best boss is for sure the unraveled tho right/j

what the fuck was that boss lmao

[austere aurora]

THAT boss?

[sacred heath]

Undertale

[edgy barn]

THIS

[sinful nimbus]

Seth was an awesome duel boss his shield attack was fun and his main hit combo/aerial combo are interesting to account for

[foggy fractal]

an actually good dead conductor fight would've been peak

[glossy badger]

Idk but I got stuck in him and took 4 masks of damage

[edgy river]

Tbf people complain about runbacks but the dream bosses are way worst

I love a good runback where I'm zooming around as hornet jumping my way through plataforms at fast speeds

Dream sequences like karmelitta I just had to wait the cutscenes and it was way more annoying

[tawdry flare]

yeah but only with wanderer's, here's a crit pogo on the worst boss in the game (about halfway through)

[sage flame]

I’m convinced it was just cohort dancers phase 2 speed

[silk dirge]

this is my biggest issue with lost lace you have to sit through the opening cutscene everytime

[edgy river]

Finding a nice route to get to last judge was very fun

[foggy fractal]

yeah why can't we just skip the dream enter sequence after the first time

[silk dirge]

this was really annoying in hall of gods also

[rain spindle]

Court of craws fans here?

[edgy barn]

The Unraveled gets the dubious honor of being the only boss in the game with a second phase easier than the first.

[sage flame]

Is it as fast as phase 3? Or does it just feel slower?

[sacred heath]

holy hell I did not know that
i apologize Wanderer’s Crest I was unfamiliar with your game

[silk dirge]

if im fighting a boss radiant i want to quickly retry not wait like 10 seconds each time

[austere aurora]

if he ever get a hollow knight 3 i want to play as seth in it

[foggy fractal]

a playable Seth would go crazy

[edgy river]

Fun fact this is the boss i died the most to

[tawdry flare]

same..

[smoky locust]

I mean its not the second phase and its purely intentional but Cogwork Dancers.

[foggy fractal]

I can see someone at the very least modding a Seth skin in the future given how him and Hornet have similar heights

[edgy barn]

You mean that part when there's only one left?

[edgy river]

Also ur telling me wanderes isn't just worst reaper????

[sinful nimbus]

that's third phase

or fourth

[smoky locust]

AKA The final phase.

[tawdry flare]

reaper is worse wanderer's

[glossy badger]

It's the best Crest in the game

[tawdry flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1090643779121319999/1415808381180186736/attachment.gif

[silk dirge]

objectively false

[sinful nimbus]

Wanderers is mid

[silk dirge]

where's your silk steal ability

[tawdry flare]

Wanderer's is objectively the strongest crest

[glossy badger]

Average mist experience

[silk dirge]

loud wrong buzzer sound

[austere aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-nerd-nerd-emoji-glasses-hair-gif-25684286

[sinful nimbus]

Ask a wanderers main and they'll say some dork nerd reason like "It has a better pogo" "It has fast attack speed" "But muh crits" SHUT UP. Start spamming poisoned cogflies

[smoky locust]

Architect, infinite cogflies go!

[edgy river]

What are you on reaper pogo is absurdly consistent to a point I think it's for babies (me, I'm the baby)

[sacred heath]

i went through the whole game acting like “where’s seth. where is he. let me fight this fraud I’m sure he just shows up once and dies like Trobbio or whatever”
then i met him. and i understood.

[edgy river]

I don't have shells for that

[austere aurora]

"hmm yesh according to my calculations the wanderers crest has the best dps output of any of the crests! "

[silk dirge]

me when i need to actually interact with bosses instead of pogoing them to eternity

[whole hawk]

Unravelled is by far the worst boss in the game just because it does a disservice to how awesome Whiteward is. Deserves a better boss.

[smoky locust]

Infinite hiveblood regen, go!

[tawdry flare]

most silk gain
highest attack speed
easiest to land pogo (probably)
no healing gimmick
STILL has two blue slots AND three yellow slots
has crits

[sinful nimbus]

you don't need to interact with bosses with architect either

Architect is just the cooler "Turn of your mind and hit buttons" crest

[edgy river]

Unneed shells for Plasmium for whatever reason

Only flea brew is free

[silk dirge]

yeah we need a mortician boss for sure that would improve the game a lot and definitely not have any issues 💀

[foggy fractal]

I mean even back when he was revealed in 2020 I think he was potrayed as a very serious character, with how he got added to the game just adding to that
TC was always gonna be careful when handling the character

[glossy badger]

Shamans is my favourite and I'm kinda sad it's act 3 only. I want to do a full playthrough with it

[smoky locust]

Just don't sit a bench after triggering overdose.

[austere aurora]

you always think you have so many shards until you play architect for 5 minutes and it all just evaporates

[silk dirge]

same

[edgy river]

I only rosary farmed way too late into the game. I was hoping for a big Burt's like HK but this time the kingdoms economy is way worst

[limber anvil]

OK after looking at the knights attack animations in sister of the void they seem to match the shade Lord killing absolute radiance... And not dream no more.

[silk dirge]

i love grubberflys elegy so shaman crest was really fun

[tawdry flare]

Steel Soul should've been NG+ or like LITERALLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN PERMADEATH!!!!!

[edgy river]

I miss actually getting a lot of geo from relics

[sacred heath]

i was not aware of his backstory or the story of how he was made and thought he would be just some random dude. god am I glad i was wrong

[edgy river]

Also like at least 2k from the banker

[austere aurora]

shaman crest would be my favorite if the pogo didnt have that weird push

[whole hawk]

We desperately need an update that lets you start the game with a crest of your choice

[foggy fractal]

yeah I think they did Seth justice
very cool boss fight, arena and soundtrack

[edgy river]

I played on switch, I don't even know if the patch is live on consoles

[tawdry flare]

it's both silksong is canon to etv and dnm please stop trying to dispute it both shade lord and the sibling show up and both magically vanish its meant to be ambiguous

[glossy badger]

Ng+ with some platforming tweaks too account for movement abilities would be so peak

[sacred heath]

coolest motherfucker ever

[silk dirge]

hornet with omnidirectional dash

[glossy badger]

Yeah I like that shamans Crest buffs silk skill damage

[tawdry flare]

couldve reset movement abilities and kept crests and tools or something idk

[silk dirge]

also did you know you can down dash in silksong

[sacred heath]

alright real talk
how did yall upgrade the silkshot

[silk dirge]

i found out literally yesterday

its wild

[glossy badger]

Yeah that would've been cool

[tawdry flare]

did you know you can dash up walls whilst clinging to them

[tawdry flare]

mount fay it was the last red tool i got Lol

[silk dirge]

team cherry shouldve added wavedashes

[austere aurora]

please tc make him playable in hk 3 i wanna be teleporting around the map like a schizophrenic please

[edgy river]

I love permadef tho in this game it seems BRUTAL

[sacred heath]

it would be so awesome it would be so cool

[silk dirge]

i dont even keep track of all the bs tech the celeste community finds now lmao

[foggy fractal]

I wanna be able to throw my shield like captain america bro

[silk dirge]

theres so much extremely obscured moves with weird names they found

[limber anvil]

I'm just thinking embrace the void feels more likely but I may be wrong simply my opinion and noting my observations.

[tawdry flare]

wait... seth shield tool when...

[silk dirge]

its intentionally left ambiguous