sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

true and remake

[sacred heath]

she got better

[terse warren]

@ mods

[bright pond]

at least now I have access to every single needolin dialogue in the game

[foggy fractal]

yeah it pukes void now

[uncut holly]

From looking through all Lace dialogue they themself say they arent alive. That they are a Silk Construct that has had instructions etched on it to act like a child.

They dont think their alive but Hornet disagrees

[whole holly]

alright, this is inconsequential since you conceded

[spark valve]

Lace thinks she isn't really alive but she's wrong that's the whole point

[limpid summit]

Kingsmoulds aren’t alive but Vessels are

[glossy badge]

(oh yeah thank you Andy for the text helped me find that GMS is considered Pale)

[foggy fractal]

Lace should love herself !!!

[limpid summit]

It’s about autonomy

[silk dirge]

hornet mentions to not confuse her unique existence with being not alive

[sinful nimbus]

Kingsmoulds aren't alive because SS retcons their existence 🤓

[terse warren]

welp time to change that too

[vague field]

she hates herself and her origin, that doesnt mean that she isnt alive

[foggy fractal]

np 👍

[primal vessel]

Is there a reason why phantom is at the exhaust organ Is it because she was discarded by gms?

[woeful iron]

I still dont think herrah being a weaver is a retcon

[terse warren]

we got lucky TC didn't retcon hornet to be void

[spark valve]

you're pointing to a character who is supposed to be wrong saying something that's clearly meant to be wrong and saying "see here the text says this"

[sinful nimbus]

This would've been in the so bad its good territory

[foggy fractal]

hey dlc is still a thing

[blissful harbor]

they thought about it with that cocoon molt

[uncut holly]

[Lace]:Hah... aha ha ha ha ha!

[Lace]:Congratulations, spider. Finally, I felt your sting, and you've bared the truth of my pathetic empty shell.

[Hornet]:You always had the scent, child. You are no bug. Yours is a life born entirely from thread.

[Lace]:Life? You're too generous! This weak, wasting existence. This was not life, just a husk shaped to act as a child.

[silk dirge]

i think the retcons existing are objective now but how bad or good they make silksongs story is completely subjective

[golden olive]

lace by all means is alive in my book, like she’s conscious and is emotional and can even age in her own lesser worthless lifeform way

[uncut holly]

Hornet then tries to defend them being alive after this

[lime nova]

Bro wtf

[foggy fractal]

they retconned not one but two enemies ?! down with TC ! they have gone too far !!!

[uncut holly]

I mean Lace is alive but they are synthetic

[limpid summit]

Mushrooms refer to her as a “common beast” which may very well be derisive but they refer to her dead husband as honored caste so they at least recognize spider power, they likely wouldn’t call a giant Weaver a common beast

[woeful iron]

I dont deny there might be retcons in the game. I just dont think thats one of them

[spark valve]

Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others make the same mistake.

[glossy badge]

yeah I'd say Lace is clearly just very self-deprecative and hates her own existence

[lime nova]

Lace is basically a robot

[uncut holly]

Lace doesnt think their alive

[sacred heath]

alright let me say this
i think what Hornet meant is that nobody has controlled the WHOLE void. like, all of it
you can scoop some up and stick it in a can but you can’t order around the whole conciousness

[silk dirge]

all of the retcons to me added more to hornets story and connected it all back to hallownest and it made it much more impactful in the end bc of how i connected with hornet

[sinful nimbus]

These are the kind of awesome callbacks I live for

[foggy fractal]

who is this others Hornet is talking about

[glossy badge]

And Hornet disagrees

[golden olive]

breh

[silk dirge]

so in the end most of the retcons were positive additions for me

[severe siren]

But there are actual robots

[lime nova]

Ok?

[tawdry flare]

I mean she's basically just made entirely of soul

[glossy badge]

Vessels no?

[spark valve]

I mean vessels presumably

[limpid summit]

Dude! They mentioned my heckin Hollow Knight!

[sacred heath]

the vessels prolly

[severe siren]

Does lace drop GEARS upon death? Checkmate

[elfin niche]

Absolute Radiance was actually a Weaver.

[golden olive]

yes

[foggy fractal]

gasp

[sinful nimbus]

But always, child, I remain a daughter of Hallownest. And the void below all things, that darkness I will fear no longer... 🗣️ 🔥 💯

[vague field]

if she spent time in the white palace, according to the red dream, id personally like to assume she ran into the hollow knight during its training many times

[bright pond]

do you happen to have a line of text of this dialogue please

[elfin niche]

This is some serious Weaverposting

[glossy badge]

I'll nab it

[terse warren]

"A crude construct of my father's fallen domain. Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding." This is a callback to the fact that PK took part in Colo 3 and won

[bright pond]

ty!

[limpid summit]

This one pissed me off lowkey 😭

[pure gyro]

Is the dialogue from the 3rd silk heart (the part that talks about a fragile child) talking about eva??

[silk dirge]

"i have seen gods fall before" or smth like that

[foggy fractal]

ohhhhh

[tawdry flare]

I cackled when I read this for the first time

[foggy fractal]

+10000 aura !!!

[spark valve]

no it's talking about lace and/or phantom

[hasty flint]

Which is where she gained her “affinity for radial blades”

[sacred heath]

does an engine listen to you because you feed it with diesel

[elfin niche]

You just know PK used the Architect Crest.

[limpid summit]

Hornet normally: My father was a fool and a lame
Hornet when shit hits the fan: Duhhhh daughter of Hallownest

[foggy fractal]

no no he used this one

[silk dirge]

people are free to hate voids inclusion in silksong but the connection back to hallownest made it all that more impactful for me

[severe siren]

A ton of SS enemies had those weird crowns/circlets on their heads with protruding spikes and whatnot and after all the weaver cutscenes I was truly fearing the worst

[terse warren]

we are not discussing the objective fact that PK was able to control void

[uncut holly]

Lace is a "Pale Child" Oh my goish

[neat sandal]

then she is a ghost

[sinful nimbus]

Kingsmoulds did do his bidding

[sacred heath]

yeah i dunno where i was going with that analogy
someone stick a pin in me I’m cooked

[limpid summit]

It’s entirely possible that Hornet’s bum ass didn’t see a Kingsmould in operation

[glossy badge]

@bright pond Why us, sister?

[vague field]

all he did was contain it, im not a waterbender if i fill a bottle with water

[bright pond]

ty

[limpid summit]

He imprinted it and it essentially worked

[sacred heath]

that would be funny

[hasty flint]

Void seeks soul, pale king controls soul. In other words, he hadeth this laser pointere….

[limpid summit]

PK had the third best void control out of anyone

[spark valve]

if you guarded your palace with water golems that would be a different conversation though

[vague field]

true

[silk dirge]

im defending them with terraria dart traps

[terse warren]

he also ordered it around and they did their job

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-golem-minecraft-dance-water-spin-gif-15257544

[elfin niche]

After Zote?

[limpid summit]

Well maybe 3.5 PV cracking and controlling its own void tendrils is very interesting

[vague field]

crack that shell open though and you get the collector

[limpid summit]

Does it just like break its own shell and then heal super fast?

[silk dirge]

speaking of terraria i hope theres a video on the new calamity mod lore bc it was completely redone to be way less terrible now

[foggy fractal]

calamity mod has lore ???

[silk dirge]

yes

[spark valve]

it only does it when pretty considerably injured

[fair zealot]

you can control a wild beast but the wild beast might still attack you, and other wild beats in the world definitely would

[sacred heath]

arguably maybe he just like programmed the armor and void was just the power source
but that’s a bit too far fetched even for me

[severe siren]

Hornet’s Wingmould dialogue is just her being a salty hater that PK was able to do what none others could ever achieve

[foggy fractal]

we need to talk about Vespa sprites...

[uncut holly]

[Hornet]:The parasite writhing within my shell has a violent aversion to the void.
[Hornet]:Despite the protection granted by the Everbloom, even now I can feel those wretched roots preventing my descent.
[Hornet]:If I'm to dive, and cut this land from its black thread curse, I must first find means to extract the intruder within.
o

[terse warren]

crack that shell open and it fucking dies, actually

[limpid summit]

Post them

[silk dirge]

its crazy to me how so many terraria mods are this dude has like a whole fucking universe they imagined up that they would probably make a game or book with if they had the resources but they dont so they just make a terraria mod

[uncut holly]

Greyroot doesnt let you go visit Lace

[hasty flint]

Or being hard on herself after accidentally destroying pharloom with void

[terse warren]

tbh it might be a godhome dlc moment

[severe siren]

1000% a boss fight in some endgame boss update later

[spark valve]

or she thinks trying was irresponsible regardless of whether it worked... for some reason

[sacred heath]

oh THAT is interesting

[golden olive]

holy shit

[tawdry flare]

WHAT

[glossy badge]

Woahhh

[limpid summit]

Oh these aren’t all from RM right

[foggy fractal]

yep sprites datamined
cut boss it seems

[golden olive]

nah

[vague field]

datamined from hk or ss?

[spark valve]

they are not

[hasty flint]

Wait is that actually in game??

[uncut holly]

Vespa boss would be sick

[glossy badge]

Vespa Herrah and White Lady DLC fights confirmed

[foggy fractal]

ss

[uncut holly]

Yes

[vague field]

wtf

[golden olive]

she looks ez tho

[bright pond]

Wait until you see all unused achievement icons

[severe siren]

Im telling you guys, Vespa boss upcoming in the endgame

[vague field]

if anyone can find a spritesheet for the steel enemies my life is yours

[primal vessel]

Is there a reason why phantom is at the exhaust organ Is it because she was discarded by gms?

[vague field]

post those mfs !

[foggy fractal]

nope 😭

[sacred heath]

enlighten us

[hasty flint]

So greyroot knew the void would subsume her too…

[elfin niche]

https://tenor.com/view/skarmory-gen-2-gen-ii-pokemon-pokemon-anime-gif-15641023976753940427

[bright pond]

There's icons for getting all mementos and completing materium

[golden olive]

post?

[silk dirge]

HEY GIVE ME THOSE ACHIEVEMENTS

[bright pond]

for materium

[foggy fractal]

hey my chuds and skibidis https://mega.nz/folder/nu5GjLxD#JB92f7G2YKa1ms9i6erftw go look yourself

[severe siren]

Barnacle Bay is not completely dead by the way, this unused world map icon is there

Hopefully we get it in future content

[silk dirge]

i literally did all that before doing lost lace bc i wanted ti make the buildup as good as possible

[bright pond]

Achievement called Materialist - Record all items in the Materium

[silk dirge]

it was worth it

[spark valve]

you go there to get on a boat to travel elsewhere trust

[silk dirge]

fuck that dude who put lost lace and true ending shit in their youtube thumbnail tho

[hasty flint]

Maybe they were gonna have a Vespa fight in red memory but decided it would kill the pacing

[foggy fractal]

TRUST...

[foggy fractal]

maybe

[silk dirge]

it didnt spoil too much but go fuck yourself putting spoilers in thumbnails is extremely uncool

[left dune]

Please Team Cherry bring back Lomm. Justice for Lomm!

[bright pond]

that reminds me... huh?

[golden olive]

anyone have any breakthroughs in theorizing who or what helped hornet escape the rune cage

[sacred heath]

mist?

[limpid summit]

Lace did

[silk dirge]

it was one of those bugs likely sent by lace

[bright pond]

there's a bench in the mist?

[severe siren]

Godseekers on their way to scan Hornet’s memories for Silksong’s endgame boss content rather than the dream realm

[sage flame]

Looks like The Mist

[glossy badge]

Lace probably wanted to disrupt GMS silk gathering plans if I were to guess

[bright pond]

but yeah it's called Dust maze

[silk dirge]

im just going to call them "prismatic lacewings" for now

[severe siren]

Unused

[spark valve]

that is the dream realm

[sacred heath]

what the hell is up with the Mist anyway

[foggy fractal]

🥶 Grand Mother Hornet

[uncut holly]

Searching dialogue found this

[Hornet]:If I'm to dive, and cut this land from its black thread curse, I must first find means to extract the intruder within.
If you keep trying to enter the Lost Lace fight with Greyroot

[severe siren]

Well ygwim its not godseekers’ with the dnail or anything

[bright pond]

Ending_A my beloved

[silk dirge]

LACE https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Prismatic_Lacewing

[glossy badge]

Organ makes steam

[foggy fractal]

ending a forever lost 💔 !!!

[edgy barn]

Is the retcon discussion finally over?

[bright pond]

odd that Ending_A's text is actually Weaver Queen lol.

[foggy fractal]

yeah its all sprites discussion now

[sacred heath]

why does that make all the bullshit room looping happen

[bright pond]

And Ending_B is the one that's... odd

[lime nova]

Is phantom a he?

[bright pond]

Ending_B achievement is called Strung to Serve

[golden olive]

phantom is female

[glossy badge]

Maaaaagic steam

[tawdry flare]

they/she obv

[severe siren]

I’ll bring it back
Fuck man i cant believe herrah turned out to be a weaver, this shit blows ass

[silk dirge]

yes and the conclusion that has been arrived to i think is silksong has retcons whether they make the story better or worse is completely up to the player

[spark valve]

hornet is tripping balls

[foggy fractal]

PLS !!! MODS !!! MUTE HIM !!!

[limpid summit]

Look how those horns curve in

[glossy badge]

WRONG! ITS COOL!

[lime nova]

Thought so, just heard someone say he once so was curious. Weavers appear to be all female

[silk dirge]

there is no objective scale for measuring how good a story is

[bright pond]

Strung to Serve's description is just Defeat Grand Mother Silk

[hasty flint]

Ending B seems like it’s just a previous scrapped version of A. The implication of both is Hornet merely replaces Silk

[tawdry flare]

Phantom is not a Weaver

[silk dirge]

its all up to you what you think of retcons

[glossy badge]

Phantom is woven not weaver

[primal vessel]

Is there a reason why phantom is at the exhaust organ Is it because she was discarded by gms?

[golden olive]

there are also hopefully male weavers i think

[foggy fractal]

the scrapped version had so much more aura tho...

[glossy badge]

WRONG! Girlbosses ONLY!

[limpid summit]

She was cultivated there and likely yes

[severe siren]

Its to prevent the bilewater fucks from entering

[silk dirge]

probably bc lace was "more perfect"

[bright pond]

idk why ending a uses the ending b icon

[sacred heath]

maybe ending B is a hypothetical where Hornet embraces her Wyrm nature?

[limpid summit]

Sort of a “go do this job for me and fuck off”

[hasty flint]

That’s why it was cut, they wanted it to feel more like a bad ending

[lime nova]

Correct. I kinda implied otherwise didn't I. Though it is true that all descendants or creations of GMS are female

[foggy fractal]

deserved ?

[vague field]

wtf is this even findable in game

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[amber thicket]

yeah

[glossy badge]

That is BRUTAL

[bright pond]

it's the dude running

[terse warren]

i highly doubt GMS would discard one of her daughers, it's not even close to being in character

[tawdry flare]

yeah, if you dont take or fail Huntress' quest.....

[bright pond]

nvm

[vague field]

wild lol

[silk dirge]

honestly this kinda looked like a really stretched version of sly for some reason 😭

[lime nova]

You can fail quests?

[teal finch]

i legit didnt even know huntress dying was possible until seeing the all text dump

[glossy badge]

Shit that image is actually brutal my goodness

[buoyant rampart]

Act 3 if you dont do the quest, the child gives it instead

[silk dirge]

how do you get long nail then

[hasty flint]

Of course huntress seems to die anyways if you hit act 3

[limpid summit]

You don’t finish her quest

[golden olive]

that can’t be true or else its literally impossible that herrah is full weaver, it’s weird we don’t really know of a male weaver tho

[tawdry flare]

you talk to and then feed the children

[lime nova]

Yeah but like, is there a timer?

[primal vessel]

Alr

[uncut holly]

Pale King used to eat dirt

[limpid summit]

Nah just act 3

[silk dirge]

FEED THE CHILDREN

[glossy badge]

Is it implied that Herrah is full weaver?

[bright pond]

Idk why I just assumed her quest was necessary for act 3

[lime nova]

Why would it be impossible? do we know Herrah has a father?

[vague field]

wtf is this about

[amber thicket]

i imagine he ate a lot of dirt in his wyrm form

[sacred heath]

it’s stated multiple times in game
however i just choose not to see it

[silk dirge]

spin

[hasty flint]

Hornet is said to be half weaver and we sure know PK ain’t it

[whole holly]

what do we know about steelbugs?

[tawdry flare]

IS THAT HUNTRESS' KID THEY'RE SO CUTE

[limpid summit]

Might be the little one that pops out of the Queen Egg you give Styx

[foggy fractal]

if you get her quest in act 2 finish it and return in act 3 this guy is there

[bright pond]

There's also an unused achievement called Finish the game - (Ending Generic)

[severe siren]

That is NOT the knight

[glossy badge]

Then maybe they're just long living, who knows

[golden olive]

we’re ditching the weaver PK theory too early

[vague field]

thats just more silkeaters

[keen sedge]

Yeah you should check out their in game screenshot

[golden olive]

this requires avid discussion

[tawdry flare]

i am aware of the corpse someone just posted it

[neat sandal]

whoa.
so she a live
I thought she gone cause her childs ate her

[sacred heath]

the what you give styx

[vague field]

its labelled "styx small"

[lime nova]

Marr why do you think Herrah has a father?

[silk dirge]

they were made by the higher being known as the HAAS VF2SS CNC Mill

[bright pond]

also is the flower an achievement? I can't remember

[foggy fractal]

no its def the kid of the huntress its in game

[vague field]

where is this posted

[vague field]

im just saying what its labelled in the files

[limpid summit]

As part of a courier quest you can give him a Queen Egg to make silkeaters faster

[severe siren]

Is there a lore reason as to why we cannot kill Kratt

[edgy barn]

the guy that farms silk worms for hornet is the same species as the huntress right?

[golden olive]

if u mean that one of herrah’s parents was born intersex then yeah ig she wouldn’t have to have a father

[limpid summit]

Team Cherry wants predators to go unpunished

[uncut holly]

Soooooooooooo. Been thinking on motivations it seems that GMS is strict and oppressive she is the source of Silk which is a new way for Spells and she seemingly subjugated the Weavers and made them act how she wanted them too. The Weavers escaped by putting her to sleep and skedaddling with some of them staying behind to keep her asleep

[glossy badge]

If anyone in the HK universe could figure out yuri pregnancy its the weavers

[keen sedge]

Crucial to flea bounce high scoring

[silk dirge]

its a metaphor for how roblox handled the whole situation

[spark valve]

hornet apparently doesn't think she needs to impose the death sentence

[bright pond]

must be a PS exclusive achievement then

[keen sedge]

He’s not helpful, for the record. I think he’s a bad luck charm

[whole holly]

Kratt? what is that?

[lime nova]

You're assuming weaver reproduction works like how regular reproduction works when they're literally gods so like

[severe siren]

Hornet lets preds off the hook yet kills homosexuals. Hornet what is this agenda

[limpid summit]

Mf sold the bag

[glossy badge]

That save though

[golden olive]

true

[hasty flint]

Note that tons of people mistake Hornet for a child on first seeing her. I’m waiting for the Kratt google dockey

[fair zealot]

okay how about this, weavers are created by gms giving her power to pharlids, herra was created by gms giving her power to some different species of bug

[uncut holly]

The Weavers are entirely responsible for the Citadel of Song and all of the horrors of Pharloom however it seems like originally GMS brought down the hammer on several of the Tribes existing in Pharloom, however the Weavers continued destroying them.

[spark valve]

never ask who hornet voted for

[lime nova]

Wait what gay does Hornet kill

[golden olive]

wait what did kratt do 😭

[glossy badge]

I'm glad we agree

[limpid summit]

Weavers likely aren’t all Pharlids there are other bug statues around GMS just awakened common bugs

[vague field]

wtf is dream essence doing in this spritesheet

[glossy badge]

Creep on Hornet in the spa

[hybrid portal]

peeked

[keen sedge]

I got to 198 so because it’s not 200, you’re technically correct

[edgy barn]

Green Prince

[lime nova]

Spies on her while she's in the sauna

[golden olive]

wtf 💀💀💀💀

[silk dirge]

fun fact the roblox head quarters are right next to objectively the best train in america(caltrain) whos tracks will in the future be used by the california high speed rail so if you want its time to call up chsra and ask for some eminent domain usage

[edgy barn]

To be fair he 100% wanted to die

[silk dirge]

the world is probably better off without roblox

[lime nova]

Oh right. Yea why'd she do that?

[hasty flint]

Peep on Hornet in the sauna and also act creepily towards her like the worst neckbeard imaginable

[teal finch]

shes homophobic

[keen sedge]

ty I’m very good at putting myself in situations where sheer luck is the only thing that can save me

[limpid summit]

Dodeshna

[lime nova]

When she killed him I was like "yo what the hell Hornet you didn't have to do that"

[keen sedge]

3 hilarious misses in a row and then the lifesaver flea

[timber pond]

Thats kind of interesting, its along side things that would be related to the healthbar

[foggy fractal]

theres other hollow knight sprites left over
maybe Ari used it as a reference ? idk

[silk dirge]

oh yeah also what is up with hornets commentary on the clover dancers

"to love one so similar to another, is it selfless or vain?"

[lime nova]

They look the same and yet they bone

[vague field]

cut item named "bellway token"

[lime nova]

It's weird

[silk dirge]

is this hornet literally commenting on gay bugs 😭

[golden olive]

yea

[severe siren]

Thought that was loss i need an eye doctor

[silk dirge]

is it selfless or vain to be gay

[sacred heath]

who invited dream essence bro thinks it’s on the team

[uncut holly]

When you talk to Caretaker he talks about alternates to the main ending and that its apparently in the way of Weavers and Gods both to string them up in their webs. Insinuating the Weavers probably manipulated people aswell except GMS did it a bit more directly and on the nose. Its likely the bells made a call in the pilgrims mind to make them want to come to the Citadel.

[bright pond]

with 2x and 3x versions

[silk dirge]

i dont actually know what either of those words mean lol

well i do just their meanings in that context feel strange

[uncut holly]

And its possible that the Weavers mind controlled a few of the factions that are in servitude to be in servitude then it continued through the generations

[glossy badge]

The Citadel was implied to be a utopia, so..

[lime nova]

No. It's not that they're gay, it's that they literally look identical

[hasty flint]

More on the fact that they are so similar to each other that she can’t tell whether it’s each other they love or the fact that they see themselves in each other

[uncut holly]

The Citadel isnt a utopia its all a lie

[foggy fractal]

down with the citadel

[glossy badge]

Immortality, no sickness, no ageing

[silk dirge]

i mean it cant literally be both

[glossy badge]

Yeah sure its a lie but it was their goal

[lime nova]

Vanity is self obsession. If you date someone that looks exactly like you it could mean you're obsessed with yourself

[vague field]

hiveblood hearts also seem to have been cut

[silk dirge]

i see

[hasty flint]

Considering the green prince talked about how he obviously had divine right to rule for killing the pale stag it’s not unwarranted

[uncut holly]

Its very impressive but its all built off the backs of subjugating other bugs. We also know that the GMS and the Weavers had way more power than every one else around and that they also killed everyone else. Except the Crabs but they died somehow

[silk dirge]

why is pale stag literally no eyes tho

[glossy badge]

I'd demand divine right if I killed the palestag

[grand ember]

Does anyone think the ruined chapel was possibly built from the shell of a wyrm?

[foggy fractal]

hiveblood was mid anyways trust

[whole holly]

it may appear in DLC with yet another retcon

[vague field]

what would the retcon be

[craggy smelt]

doesn't need them, got pale senses

[fair zealot]

doesn't hiveblood kinda already exist in the form of plasmium overdose

[hasty flint]

“Listen if we don’t release this September the fans are gonna start ACTUALLY sacrificing people, reuse the code and push to steam”

[severe siren]

A second hive has hit the lore

[uncut holly]

The Green Dancer bugs started when the families of the leaders of their clan hunted a mythical Pale Stag that is theorized might not even be real or be exactly how Hornet sees. For killing this Stag the two families gained immortality and a tradition began of them marrying each other to act as rulers

[vague field]

if they do a hive thing it would 100% be a memory

[whole holly]

this time it is wasps

[limpid summit]

The Hive extends aaaall the way east to Pharloom

[severe siren]

Watch them bring back the entire hive in a memory except shoehorn Hivesteel

[limpid summit]

Dude a Hornet DLC where she fights actual Hornets would be sick

[sacred heath]

vespa gives it to us in a dream and it carries over to the real world because that would be EPIC

[edgy barn]

Hey, does the crest hornet gets when binding GMS have a name in the files?

[silk dirge]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Hornet

[foggy fractal]

oml it would be PEAK !!!!!!!!!

[uncut holly]

The Vespa fight was probably cut due to pacing

Big sad

[silk dirge]

wait can i find this image

[severe siren]

The ever so humble godseeker:

[hasty flint]

Yknow considering how close the hive is to the wyrm corpse it’s not shocking they had access to pale ore to refine

[silk dirge]

22 BULLET THEORY IS CANON IN SILKSONG https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757813538365505596.webp?size=96

[uncut holly]

Sadly I dont think Godseekers coming back, if they do a rematch which they are going to eventually its probably going to be original. Or maybe something to do with memory

[silk dirge]

/j

[edgy barn]

Does pale ore even come from the wyrm's corpse?

[vague field]

"Hud_Frame_evolve"

[spark valve]

(No)

[foggy fractal]

what if a Godseeker comes along anyway
but is called uhh Songseeker instead

[hasty flint]

No clue but it’s the best guess

[severe siren]

I thought there was some line of code mentioning “hasGodSeeker” or something

But i do know “Gods’ Glory” or whatever is in some code

[whole holly]

we might get Godchasers instead

[edgy barn]

Well that's underwhelming

But makes sense

[silk dirge]

calamity mod dev drama is actually insane lmao

lead dev is awful and causes 22 devs to leave("22 bullet theory")

flash forward to this year said lead dev gets outed for being the collector irl and for being transphobic and is removed from the dev team

[rain spindle]

Godseeker might be dead

[vague field]

the animation that plays when you beat the first sinner, showing her being brought from an arachnid to a weaver, is called "spider_evolve"

[golden olive]

there was an unused entry text thing that had the description of fork_tuner

[silk dirge]

calamity mod is actually uncooked now its amazing

[rain spindle]

Like. theres a good chance ETV is canon

[hasty flint]

Could be the thing at the top of mount fay

[vague field]

could potentially be referencing the mount fay object

[ancient dock]

Why does void come to Pharloom, is it the Carekeeper spell?

[golden olive]

yeah that didn’t cross my mind

[severe siren]

I was thinking mt fay thing 🐌

[silk dirge]

every kingdom has an abyss

[foggy fractal]

haha Tc would never... right...

[rain spindle]

void is everywhere

[vague field]

wtf is the carekeeper spell

[rain spindle]

It is under all thr world

[silk dirge]

i call it abyss underworld theory and i was hoping it would be true and it was

[winter iris]

Void appears to cover all the depths of HK

[neat sandal]

portal to the void

[severe siren]

[vague field]

oh, i see

[rain spindle]

Im thinking

Do you guys think

[spark valve]

Taken out back and shot with a rosary cannon

[winter iris]

Yes, I'm thinking too.

[foggy fractal]

yo can we get a funeral for this guy

[rain spindle]

winged nosk was a hint the knight always loved his sister?

[limpid summit]

You are

[edgy barn]

I mean, none of the pale ores we find through HK are found anywhere near the wyrm's corpse apart from the one in the colloseum

[silk dirge]

it could just be godseekers doing silly shit

[limpid summit]

Dunno about always but at least since after Hornet saved it in KE which is required for P5 it must hold her highly

[severe siren]

Died of old age waiting to be released

[rain spindle]

is silksong spoilers allowed here?

[limpid summit]

No

[spark valve]

Yes

[ancient dock]

Yes

[severe siren]

You can freely discuss spoilers here

[foggy fractal]

epic fail

[foggy fractal]

all spoilers allowed like the wild west

[rain spindle]

so....

[foggy fractal]

🤠 QUICKDRAW

[rain spindle]

Sister if the Void confirms knight has a sibling bond with hornet right?

like. it loves her

[elder nymph]

No

[whole holly]

yeah, it is just fossil fuel but in magical bug world

[spark valve]

Sure that was already known but yeah

[foggy fractal]

that was apparent even in the first game ?

[pure zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-tadc-kinger-pomni-you-know-gif-3311193891592512412

[elder nymph]

They bonded, sure. In the loosest of terms

[silk dirge]

what i like about sotv is it shows void is misunderstood

[rain spindle]

I mean like, it loving hornet as a sister

[limpid summit]

I mean there’s Sealed..uh… Sealed something

[vague field]

is styx dead in steel soul

[winter iris]

Imagine the Silksong godhome final superboss pulling up with a single 4 damage attack.

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah TK def cares

[rain spindle]

actually bonding

[silk dirge]

void is presented in hk as an empty emotionless substance that just does shit

[limpid summit]

Yes TK cares

In DnM it lets the void harmlessly sink by hornet

[keen sedge]

It is presented as the opposite of emotionless

[silk dirge]

but sotv shows void actually has feelings and is not some empty substance

[severe siren]

The Knight was just paying back for Hornet saving it in the Cast-Off Shell and assisting in THK

[keen sedge]

even vessels who are intended to be emotionless (by symptom of another thing) are not emotionless.

[gleaming creek]

I got the impression that the vessels may have hijacked the void?

[rain spindle]

this is why

[silk dirge]

yeah i think it just shows pale king was wrong ever thinking there was a pure vessel

[winter iris]

The void has emotions while united by the voidheart.

[pure zodiac]

the void in general is presented as emotionless, barely sentient, more like a wild animal that only thinks to consume

[elder nymph]

Not sure where people got HK and Hornet being bro and sis but meh

[rain spindle]

i have a theory. Like, winged nosk always hinted at it

[silk dirge]

bc they literally are???

[spiral swift]

The story

[spark valve]

Have you played the game

[severe siren]

They literally are though???

[keen sedge]

Void hijacks vessels more like, TK does that with voidheart

[rain spindle]

that TK actually cares

[gleaming creek]

I mean, they are half-siblings

[fair zealot]

they are half siblings because they have the same father

[elder nymph]

How?

[silk dirge]

the pale king is the father of both

[spark valve]

Play the first game

[edgy barn]

Bro didn't play hk

[pure zodiac]

basic family tree logic?

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway what are y'all thoughs on the soul deer

[keen sedge]

They are half siblings. Both are direct children of the pale king, different moms and one isn’t void infused

[silk dirge]

no eyes 2 but not actually that bad

[gleaming creek]

Both of them share a father, making them half-siblings

[sacred heath]

pk tossing all the vessels into the abyss polluted the void with FEELINGS

[silk dirge]

tbh i never actually hated no eyes that bad

[foggy fractal]

they're half siblings
PK and WL made the vessels (which means tk)
PK and Herrah had Hornet

[spark valve]

Cool to have a cryptid appearance in a memory in a form that’s explicitly glammed up

[elder nymph]

Oh so now it's half siblings

[silk dirge]

her ascended form is annoying but there are much worse dream warriors

[keen sedge]

Ya

[elder nymph]

Get your shit right first

[fair zealot]

palestag was easy, pro tip: push the lily pad up to the rest of the arena

[elder nymph]

Lmao

[sinful nimbus]

Do you think he could normally control soul

[neat sandal]

always

[rain spindle]

But does Hornet give a damn about TK tho? Like it definitely projects it into Lace, but other than that...

[spark valve]

The game calls them siblings many times over and over again

[foggy fractal]

aren't half siblings not siblings ??

[silk dirge]

galien, marmu, markoth are all so much worse than no eyes imo

[elder nymph]

It matters

[severe siren]

“Sealed Siblings”

[spark valve]

Doesn’t seem that likely but maybe

[silk dirge]

marmu can just decided im gonna go light speed at you and you cant do shit

[pure zodiac]

man_standing

[fair zealot]

half siblings are siblings and we say siblings because it's easier

[silk dirge]

and galien is just rng clusterfuck

[spark valve]

“Transcend our birth cursed half sibling” doesn’t have the same ring to it

[foggy fractal]

if you played the first game you would know raghhh

[silk dirge]

markoth i dont even need to say anything

[keen sedge]

There is a silksong achievement called ||sister of the void||. They are siblings and it’s common knowledge

[gleaming creek]

I mean, I don't call my half-sister a half-sister. For me she's my sister

[elder nymph]

Spoiler tags?

[sinful nimbus]

They're siblings through the void

[elder nymph]

Common knowledge to the fandom. Not to people who played the game once 5 years ago

[sacred heath]

n
no

[spark valve]

It’s common knowledge if you payed any amount of attention

[keen sedge]

Ye and you asked and got an answer lol

[glossy badge]

Are you okay man

[foggy fractal]

guh

[fair zealot]

then don't act like you know better 😭

[spark valve]

One of the endings is called sealed siblings

[elder nymph]

Never asked for the extra bits boyo

[vague field]

literally lmfao

[glossy badge]

Unless you're skipping dialogue and ignoring half the text the game makes it VERY clear

[vague field]

also a hollow knight ending called sealed siblings

[sacred heath]

the vessel
is pk’s kid
and Hornet
is also pk’s kid
that makes them
and you might want to sit down for this
SIBLINGS

[spark valve]

Most reasonable internet person after saying something obviously wrong without thinking

[sinful nimbus]

Idk how else would it be tough to hunt

[pure zodiac]

holy shit

[fair zealot]

sorry, let's not dogpile

[foggy fractal]

dogpile: 🐶 🐶 🐶 🐶 🐶

[elder nymph]

That didnt happen. I didn't give some alternate take to anything said.

[sinful nimbus]

Magic soul deer is objectively cool therefore I think its more likely

[rain spindle]

I dont think Hornet considers TK family tho

On a sentimental level

[elder nymph]

Hornet only has infinite step siblings

[keen sedge]

Pale beings used to be an ENIGMA. Now they’re in the sky, the floor, even the random ass wildlife smh

[gleaming creek]

Are Herrah and Vespa Knight's aunts?

[spark valve]

Fast elusive

[fair zealot]

your tone came across as like "i don't believe you, convince me" as opposed to "i don't understand, explain to me"

[amber thicket]

neither are related to the knight in any way

[sinful nimbus]

I bet its fast because it uses soul rockets to travel

[keen sedge]

No blood relation. Hornet spent significant time with three different queens of hallownest though yes

[elder nymph]

Tone in text. Yeah ok

[foggy fractal]

thats what they called me in high school heh.

[fair zealot]

yeah, it happens and can cause problems lol

[pure zodiac]

you can absolutely convey tone in text bro 😭

[elder nymph]

How was that said?@fair zealot tone in Text. Yeah ok. How was it said?

[sacred heath]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[rain spindle]

I think she meant wording. The way you worded your replies

[vague field]

youre conveying reddit rn

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[sinful nimbus]

You literally can't convey any amount of tone whatsoever through text

[vague field]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-rage-bait-rage-ragebait-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-gif-6165949868010589137

[severe siren]

Not worth engaging in this just correct the siblings thing and move on imo

[pure zodiac]

that's straight up not true dawg

[elder nymph]

Just trying to have people understand that you can't get tone from text. If you do, you are putting it there.

[spark valve]

It’s time to just ignore them

[foggy fractal]

yeah lets go back to talking about cool stuff like silksong sprites

[elder nymph]

So, thats on you

[pure zodiac]

tonal indicators don't exist anymore ig

[keen sedge]

If zote could make it to Shellwood I’m certain he got to the citadel

[fair zealot]

yes, the recipient getting incorrect tone from text is a thing that happens, and it's nobody's fault when it happens

[amber thicket]

you know, i think it's funny how the knight and hornet are siblings despite being almost entirely different species

[keen sedge]

Except when it’s bait lol

[foggy fractal]

could he have gotten to the cradle tho.

[elder nymph]

At least you get it. Thanks

[severe siren]

Erm actually the entrance to Pharloom would lead straight to shellwood

[amber thicket]

3RD GAME

HOLLOW KNIGHT: THE MIGHTY

[sinful nimbus]

read entrance and pharloom and now the song is stuck in my head smh

[fair zealot]

they have two horns, more similar than the huge variety of bugs in the hollow knight universe

[keen sedge]

Yeah but that’s lame as hell and in my headcanon he falls down to moss every time

[edgy barn]

They are both half-wyrm and have a very similar body structure

[rain spindle]

Do we know if Hornet even cares about the knight tho

[severe siren]

Bro choosing to jump off the perfectly intact bridge 😭

[keen sedge]

Say zote wouldn’t

[spiral swift]

I mean she saved TK that one time

[sinful nimbus]

What if he trips on a wire of silk

[pure zodiac]

life ender isn't gonna make itself without a lil bit of edge

[rain spindle]

Because she needed him for the plan

[foggy fractal]

SO. MUCH. AURA.

[severe siren]

He trips on nothing all the time anyway

[rain spindle]

to kill the moth

[fair zealot]

she saved it from when the wyrm corpse collapsed, there was probably care in that (in addition to the hope that it could defeat the infection)

[keen sedge]

after trying to kill them twice and after killing (unspecified number) other vessels

[sacred heath]

she did save em from the corpse collapse and lent a hand during the Knight fight

[gleaming creek]

Stupid theory, but is it possible that Bell Beast's species is related to first game's Dirt Carver enemies?

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-26454802

[buoyant rampart]

She seems to respect TK but not much more than that

[sinful nimbus]

I mean I think we've all jumped down from blasted steps to moss grotto for fun

[amber thicket]

true. but i'm just saying like on the inside the knight is like all void while hornet isn't

[elder nymph]

Zote is the father of Sherma change my mind

[sacred heath]

maybe?

[keen sedge]

Nah. Garpedes and such are sort of a different kind of thing

[severe siren]

Stupid platforms in the way would break my fall

[spiral swift]

Well she was doing that because if TK was a bum and she didn't stop it, it'd break the chains and then free the hollow knight, freeing radiance too

[keen sedge]

Bell eater is a thing too

[pure zodiac]

doesn't she also open up to the knight more in deepnest?

[rain spindle]

I wonder what she will think after Sister of the Void

[foggy fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh37fgivWME&ab_channel=Epeon peak boss ?

[elder nymph]

Sherma has everything Zote does except the Don Quixote stuff

[pure zodiac]

this game is full of bugs...

[keen sedge]

And thus saved them because they could potentially end the infection. Not cause of emotional attachment to a void entity

[fair zealot]

who was bell beast's mate? was it bell eater? is bell beast like a mantis where it eats its partner

[rain spindle]

bell eater is its predator

[sinful nimbus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1nh9562/boss_knew_i_was_gonna_die_so_they_made_me/

[keen sedge]

It was absolutely not bell eater lol

[elder nymph]

Bell Eater is a good boy

[sacred heath]

bell beast and bell eater yuri

[severe siren]

I love bell eater’s journal entry

Its like a folktale urban legend kind of creature that only naive Pharloomian kids would believe in, then the cataclysmic events of Act 3 actually awakens it

[foggy fractal]

cinema

[pure zodiac]

bro casually kills the fuck out of its partner for no particular reason

also the journal says the bell eater was awakened after the rumbling

[fair zealot]

hmmm

[foggy fractal]

the what...

https://tenor.com/view/wall-titans-rumbling-rumbling-aot-titans-in-water-eren-rumbling-gif-25312555

[keen sedge]

Hollow knight universe dragons being giant centipedes is really cool. We got some of that with the wrym, but yeah

[elder nymph]

Bell Eaters death makes your doggo fully trust you. She shows you the little ones

[gleaming creek]

Bell Beast's children look like smaller versions of itself, so I doubt Bell Eater is in any way related to them.

[fair zealot]

oh i just assumed they were freshly hatched lol

maybe bell beast's mate stays at the nest

[rain spindle]

malewife

[elder nymph]

Maybe. Can't really tell. I say little ones because they play like puppies do

[fair zealot]

cuz she definitely ain't looking after the eggs/kids standing in the bellway station 24/7 lol

[elder nymph]

Facts

[covert tusk]

That and also it’s safe now that their predator is dead

[spiral swift]

They could be under her

[gleaming creek]

Maybe the Bell Beast is like a bear? The father is not involved in family business at all, and the mom will take care of the kids alone?

[silk dirge]

oh yeah i hate this boss so much bc it has a literal asshole

[elder nymph]

Maybe the mate was deep enough to not get snatched by silk?

[silk dirge]

its a fucking nasty boss 😭

[elder nymph]

And the other got captured food gathering maybe

[pure zodiac]

dung defender...

[severe siren]

In a boss rush setting i wonder if this bit will be included or if bell eater will just die (lame)

[silk dirge]

luckily followed by the best moment in silksong(beastlings!)

[fair zealot]

why is bell eater's red so saturated it's like #FF0000

[silk dirge]

dung defender does not have a visible asshole brooding mawlek does

[rain spindle]

brooding mawled

[covert tusk]

First boss to directly shit ON you ( DD doesn’t count he uses pre existing shit)

[keen sedge]

Just die probably sadly.

I really want a remix of fourth chorus

[pure zodiac]

no but he has his ball hair showing and throws actual shit at you

[severe siren]

I agree

[sacred heath]

dream bell beast comes in with the steel chair

[fair zealot]

fifth chorus when

[keen sedge]

Literally yes

[golden olive]

boss rush version will have hornet righting bell beast throughout the whole fight like she’s beast tamer

[covert tusk]

Honestly it’s one of the few bosses where it summoning enemies would be cool

[elder nymph]

That would be interesting. Pantheon 1 is your doggo. Pantheon 3 or whatever is the Bell Eater and your doggo pops up

[pure zodiac]

probably one of the deactivated ones in the citadel

[foggy fractal]

what are your opinions on the forebrothers, sigma and grok

[keen sedge]

I want a gilded version of the chorus bot that’s souped up on weaver tech

[fair zealot]

which chorus do we think hornet absorbed for the architect crest

[rain spindle]

I like them

[sacred heath]

we had first sinner we had second sentinel we had fourth chorus
we need a third thing

[elder nymph]

Also, Choral Chambers theme lives rent free in my brain

[rain spindle]

Honestly. Father of the Flame is underrated

[spiral swift]

Maybe the sixth or seventh

[fair zealot]

secret third thing

[rain spindle]

awesome vibes

[silk dirge]

SHUT UP

[elder nymph]

His tool is nearly worthless

[sacred heath]

truth nuke…

[fair zealot]

third hollow knight game!!!1!!1

[sinful nimbus]

I dislike father of the flame tbh the fight isn't that fun and he feels out of place

[rain spindle]

Good against first sinner

[severe siren]

I personally loved the Forebrothers because i had a Silksong dream years ago about a boss fight taking place in a lava pit with raining lava obstacles that looked nearly exactly like them, same build and everything, and it came true

[sinful nimbus]

Forebrothers are so hype

[pure zodiac]

what were they plotting.......

[fair zealot]

signis envoy of the devourer

[elder nymph]

I really should try the damage tools out. Like mirrors and flea egg to see how witch can be

[spark valve]

This keeps happening with you

[rain spindle]

Like

[sacred heath]

when you know it’s some shit that ties back to Grimm but you can’t prove it

[covert tusk]

So based

In all seriousness tho they scream to me as class traitors, bugs who betrayed their fellow common working bug in favor of glimpses of the citadel lifestyle, when they mean nothing to them
Slave masters who are themselves, slaves

[rain spindle]

Some of my favs are really underrated

[severe siren]

Deep Dock Proletarian must be so happy about the Forebrothers

[rain spindle]

Father of the Flame and Court of the Craws

are AWESOME

[severe siren]

I love Court of the Craws

[fair zealot]

bosses with adds suck

[covert tusk]

Signus and Gron shut down the Deep Docks unions

[rain spindle]

Court of Craws does well

[keen sedge]

Spoiler for every silksong boss

[elder nymph]

Also, HOLY CRAP did Team Cherry not show everything this game has to offer off over the years? I watched some moasbag video going over the trailer and damn near every boss, even some omitted from release, was shown

[pure zodiac]

father of the flame was a pretty nothing boss

[rain spindle]

link?

[foggy fractal]

I was lowkey thinking of making a Forefather fake screenshot where we get a big ass boss on a deep docks bridge

[keen sedge]

What?

[rain spindle]

for the tierlist

[fair zealot]

yeah they showed way too much imo

[severe siren]

Court of the Craws is one of the coolest fights in the game imo

You’re literally sentenced to trial by court, by literal fucking crows

And invited as politely as possible via the summons

[foggy fractal]

for the tierlist maker

[elder nymph]

I am very glad I stayed dark

[keen sedge]

“I googled “silksong boss tierlist”

[rain spindle]

also its super fun

[rain spindle]

ok thanks

[elder nymph]

Phantom #1

[severe siren]

Crawfather uses adds correctly too they’re not egregiously annoying or overlap with the actual target

[keen sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-ghost-death-gif-27106641

[foggy fractal]

nah man Khann in top tier ??

[fair zealot]

squatcraws are annoying tho

[green yoke]

Glad to see someone else who gives their tiers unhinged titles

[covert tusk]

FOURTH CHORUS REMATCH BUT ITS A HIIJACKED MECH USED BY A COMICALLY SMALL DEEP DOCKS BUG WHO UPGRADED IT

[sacred heath]

gonna blow whoever made that up for putting Shakra that low

[keen sedge]

Fuck you I had fun first trying the guantlet and boss and have you LISTENED TO THE THEME.
I just think it’s neat

[severe siren]

For such a simple boss Crawfather is at least an A tier for me cause of how cool it was

[keen sedge]

It’s the only way

[spiral swift]

That builder guy in the underworks in a big mech

[green yoke]

You're gonna WHAT

[sacred heath]

I’m gonna BLOW THEM UP

[elder nymph]

You read that right

[sacred heath]

with my GIANT MECH SUIT

that I built JUST NOW

[elder nymph]

Someone is gonna get blown by @sacred heath

[keen sedge]

Shakra dashes at you and shoots orbs the rest of the fight. Amazing NPC, shit bossfight

[sacred heath]

for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of BLOWING THEM UP

[severe siren]

Lost my respect

[fair zealot]

yeah shakra has fewer attacks than traitor lord

[sacred heath]

I’m gonna turn you into fucking mealworms

[silk dirge]

and you get as a reward a free rosary farm

[elder nymph]

Fun

[foggy fractal]

hes like an act 1 boss in act 3 bro
all he does is run away and spam coral

[keen sedge]

For what specifically - the answer will apply to my respect

[fair zealot]

nyleth also super easy tbh

[sinful nimbus]

Seth below Conchfly needs to get you locked in the Slab

[severe siren]

You have 0 whimsy for placing crawfather that low

[silk dirge]

khann is not an act 1 boss wtf act 1 bosses have you been fighting

[sacred heath]

it feels like an actual anime type fight where you’re both running around trying to hit each other
it’s peak I’m sorry

[spiral swift]

Thank god honestly if I did that arena rush and then a hard boss I'd kill someone

[keen sedge]

If khan is running away then I liked chasing him more than every other “time to offscreen” boss

[elder nymph]

Phantom was my funnest fight

[sinful nimbus]

And all your children locked in the slab too

[elder nymph]

Lace v2 was fun as well

[foggy fractal]

last judge

[pure zodiac]

i don't have 5 years of silksong but is it crazy to say i think hollow knight bosses were overall more memorable

[foggy fractal]

🥶 cold name btw

[silk dirge]

khann is a lot different from last judge wtf

[keen sedge]

Moving fast doesn’t make a fight interesting or good. I dodged and hit her as she missed, which was very often because she uses those very fast very often

[fair zealot]

khann is like. crystal guardian

[silk dirge]

also wait WHY IS THIS GUY A BOSS

[sinful nimbus]

HECTOR

[silk dirge]

this is a miniboss

[sacred heath]

maybe, but I just like the vibes of it yknow

[silk dirge]

that i did not struggle with actually

[keen sedge]

It’s for the whole guantlet

[covert tusk]

I think that’s the high halls enemy rush

[foggy fractal]

SIGMA JUDGE -> took me an actual number of attepts
mid king khann -> one attempt, barely awake

[spiral swift]

There's a few arenas on there

[fair zealot]

not even, it's just a guy

[foggy fractal]

tho tbf I had more upgrades

when we get boss rush/refights we can truly find out

[fair zealot]

discount false knight

[sinful nimbus]

When the red maiden kicks in

[elder nymph]

Doing everything before GMS is fun. You can get quite a bit done.

[spiral swift]

Acid spit thing is also not a boss it's just a dude

[elder nymph]

You can also miss out on stuff

[rain spindle]

my tierlist

[elder nymph]

Like the Shakra fight

[keen sedge]

Go do your homework:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cty4zsKyzcU
then talk to me about “vibes”

[severe siren]

The void-infused Choir Clapper (Hector) is peak

[silk dirge]

half of these are not bosses who the fuck considers the giant flea a boss

[edgy barn]

This still irks me

[silk dirge]

what is this tierlist

[edgy barn]

I had no idea there was a Shakra fight, thus I ended up missing it

[sinful nimbus]

Every theme is like this Larkin just cooked too hard

[elder nymph]

She never made any inclination for a duel. Ever. Even when we honored her master.

[rain spindle]

the creator of the tierlist lol

[severe siren]

Apparently Ass Jim can get voided if you fight it in act 3

[sacred heath]

i did that alongside Garmond and it was fucking cinema

[rain spindle]

yup

[silk dirge]

i saw people on r/silksong a week ago saying they were dissapointed with the silksong ost and im like WHAT THE FUCK KINDA SHIT ARE YOU SMOKING

[spiral swift]

I consider the giant flea a boss

[foggy fractal]

yes Larkin cooked
now is this an AI thumbnail.

[keen sedge]

I heard and almost want to sack the nail level to see it lol

[silk dirge]

larkin literally composed like hes the composer for a fucking nolan movie

[keen sedge]

unfortunate

[sacred heath]

oh fuck that’s good

[elder nymph]

Also, Shakra's tribe has a boss in HK right?

[sinful nimbus]

mmmm real instruments and real choirs

[rain spindle]

red memory is a beautiful track

[silk dirge]

someone mentioned how lost lace sounds like no time for caution from interstellar and i hear it and its so goated

[spark valve]

[silk dirge]

i love no time for caution

[rain spindle]

Elder Hu, yeah

[foggy fractal]

Lost Ass Jim

[fair zealot]

y'know what i never made the elder hu connection until now, interesting

[foggy fractal]

🥶 🥶 🥶

[sinful nimbus]

This is so peak

[elder nymph]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=DvC6wQQ1Mls&si=x0MWiKGK4J_3fkAI

[foggy fractal]

actually maybe Lost Ass Jim would be easier ? they dealt double dmg anyways so

[sinful nimbus]

Dude my SS ost tierlist is going to be popping off

[elder nymph]

Sorry, the choir gets me every time

[silk dirge]

wouldnt that mean they do quad damage now

[rain spindle]

void stuff makes it unberable

[keen sedge]

I think I’m gonna start asking people what crest they used when they say they thought a boss was boring

[foggy fractal]

no no that's not a thing

[silk dirge]

everything s tier or life in the slab

[rain spindle]

next time im getting the maggot tool before fighting lugoli

[foggy fractal]

other sources of double dmg voided still does double

[sacred heath]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-xo_ZAUVtkQ&pp=ygUSd2lkb3cgc2lsa3Nvbmcgb3N00gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD
your honor? it’s peak

[covert tusk]

Nah if it’s already double damage nothing changes

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think there's gonna be one below B tier that's for sure

[elder nymph]

@rain spindle I want to know more of that tribe personally

[keen sedge]

if it’s not fun with beast or some crazy loadout then it’s probably not fun at all. Then you can equip wanderer and play HK for the 50th time

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-piano-music-gif-11016376031114117781

[rain spindle]

They have buddhism inspiration, and claim for the well bejng of the mind and balming the wounded

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[rain spindle]

Elder Hu was strong as fuck

[foggy fractal]

Larkin:

[sinful nimbus]

Larkin on the good stuff with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKyVYjbUUK8

[covert tusk]

Still not over one of the best fights in the game being optional whattttt

[rain spindle]

he took on the mantises

[silk dirge]

does anyone else hear it https://youtu.be/YgSXvOsCCCw?feature=shared https://youtu.be/kpK4cDk2bRs?feature=shared

[elder nymph]

They sound cool to me

[green yoke]

My own personal feelings after a few days having cleared the game

[keen sedge]

Humms and hymns to run back to the boss to

[foggy fractal]

I know its Widow's theme but ngl its kinda First Sinner's theme to me now

[elder nymph]

OK widow theme is pretty good

[sacred heath]

first sinner i love you first sinner… your fight is so good it it gave me NKG flashbacks but it was so good…

[sinful nimbus]

What's with the seth hate

[rain spindle]

i see as the weaver theme

[silk dirge]

its not completely the same but it feels very similar and i love interstellar(favorite movie) so its goated

[sinful nimbus]

Seth was a top 5 boss

[pure zodiac]

no thank you lmao

[foggy fractal]

Seth was fine yeah

[rain spindle]

nyleth themes fits him better than nyleth herself

[elder nymph]

Seth was an asshole! Lol. Best my juggle score the prick

[sinful nimbus]

yeah idk why Nyleth didn't get her own theme

idk why Nyleth exists period

[rain spindle]

the theme is technically hers

[drowsy mortar]

Ah yes the lore of boss ranking

[fair zealot]

okay btw what's with the ant boss? did i miss something? seemed like there was no way to deal with the traps and sometimes they'd just get thrown on top of you

[keen sedge]

Only the tiers are supposed to be crazy, not the rankings

[pure zodiac]

crazy what i'm boutta tell you

[silk dirge]

because tc was experimenting with unique boss concepts

[keen sedge]

Who the hell doesn’t put karmalita in S

[silk dirge]

some worked out better than others

[sinful nimbus]

also did the city of tears vocalist comes back

[silk dirge]

for karmelita i think

[rain spindle]

some think her blocks are bullshit

[covert tusk]

Chat I don’t have like, proof proof for this but I have a little theory

The Last Judge kills the unworthy, yes? Well what about those who prove a good fight but still fail? Like nearly defeating her yet losing? Why waste such brawn when they can become underworkers? Maybe this is how the process is handled, you’re either automatically worthy and go through, and if you’re unworthy you either fight the last judge and die, or survive and become a slave

[sinful nimbus]

I see an amelia listed in the vocalist credits but its a different last name

[limpid summit]

yep lugoli gets voided midway through an act 3 boss fight

[green yoke]

Someone who likes using tools and hates seeing half of them blocked lol

[elder nymph]

I like the simplicity of the High Halls theme

[edgy barn]

I mean i sort of see it but it seems like a stretch

[rain spindle]

iirc team cherry basically confirmed when revealing her

[elder nymph]

Compare Hu to Shakras master

[pure zodiac]

did they

[rain spindle]

afaik yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Every Citadel theme sounds so elegant

Nails the "False paradise" and "Haunted halls" vibe

[spiral swift]

Out of every warrior dream it's him that gets the silksong connections

[sinful nimbus]

Should've been remixed after Act 3 though imo

[covert tusk]

Trust guys Gorb will finally be relevant after Zoteboat

[silk dirge]

if someone can make a lost lace x no time for caution remake my brain will explode please someone do it 🙏

[green yoke]

Cogwork Core is one of the few themes that comes close to HK top tier level music

[pure zodiac]

they actually say absolutely nothing about her in the reveal lol

[elder nymph]

Then you get Cogwork Core

[rain spindle]

then idk

[foggy fractal]

don't forget about

[sinful nimbus]

Imo HK top tier music is like Pale Court and the thing with Silksong is that every song is like Pale Court

[silk dirge]

you have committed a grave sin

[silk dirge]

yeah exactly

[covert tusk]

Average attempt at Groal

[elder nymph]

Ehhhh ya did the thing ty

[silk dirge]

christopher larkin literally became hans zimmer

[rain spindle]

the best silksong music is in act 3

[foggy fractal]

TRUE

[sinful nimbus]

Also themes like Deep Docks and Far Fields gets percussion and it sounds so good

[clever grove]

I feel like Hornet might have gotten her name from Queen Vespa. Since hornets are similar to bees. What do y'all think?

[rain spindle]

before act 3 i was thinking HK is better too

[silk dirge]

and if someone doesnt like hans zimmer they can uhh

[rain spindle]

i love groal.

[silk dirge]

not exist i dont think anyone who hates hans zimmer exists

[sacred heath]

isnt this literally canon

[meager drum]

what is wisp thicket a sub-area of?

[foggy fractal]

they both got the beads thing going on

[silk dirge]

greymoor

[rain spindle]

greymoor

[sacred heath]

like someone confirm this for me this is canon right

[silk dirge]

all of greymoor used to look like wisp thicket but it all got cut down

[rain spindle]

heavily implied

[silk dirge]

to make windmills

[edgy barn]

Of the three quens Vespa is the one that makes the less sense to have named Hornet.

[sacred heath]

gotcha gotcha

[pure zodiac]

we don't have a fair view of silksong since we've been fans for years, i will let my brother decide which game is better as a new player

[clever grove]

I know she was trained by Vespa but I'm not sure if that's how she got her name

[silk dirge]

this is why wind energy is not the way to go and we should heavily invest in nuclear energy

[meager drum]

ok because its kind of between multiple so I couldnt tell

and also theres literally no explanation how you get the map

[rain spindle]

ari talked abt it

[covert tusk]

So like

What the hell was up with the father of flame lmao I really don’t think he was one of the guys who became an asshole cuz of the citadel

[silk dirge]

the map is just part of greymoors map

[foggy fractal]

whats funny to me though is that the sprite is missing her antennas
which is weird considering its literally like one sprite in game like where else did they put it 😭

[rain spindle]

he said that used to be the case but got cut in HK

[silk dirge]

what is there to say

[fair zealot]

white lady calls her "gendered child" so chances are she didn't really care about her name

[limpid summit]

WL might not know her name

[elder nymph]

Hornet is also the only one referred to as such as well

[limpid summit]

That would be funny

[sinful nimbus]

That's just calling her a girlboss

[clever grove]

So who named her?

[rain spindle]

vespa likely

[pure zodiac]

of the three, queen vespa, from the hive, is the one that makes less sense to have named hornet??

[fair zealot]

maybe hornet named herself

[elder nymph]

Hornet? Iirc the Bee queen she trained under or whatever it was

[foggy fractal]

LMAO ITS SEPERATE SPRITES 😭 and I was wrong it does move a little back and fourth

[limpid summit]

Midwife doesn’t even say her name either

[elder nymph]

I dont think it was mantis

[edgy barn]

Why would Herrah not name her daughter herself

[rain spindle]

herrah is a weirdo

[silk dirge]

did herrah even get a chance to name hornet

[pure zodiac]

it's very possible that she did and hornet just doesn't remember the name herrah gave her

[rain spindle]

i mean she talks to hornet

[pure zodiac]

she can barely remember her face

[clever grove]

Lmao

[rain spindle]

... no one told her?

[elder nymph]

Naming conventions seem to be users choice in HK world

[silk dirge]

yeah but maybe she was a very indecisive parent

[rain spindle]

not even midwife

[silk dirge]

happens

[elder nymph]

Doesn't Shakra explain why she is called Shakra at one point?

[pure zodiac]

midwife don't even tell us bro she says gendered child lmao

[rain spindle]

everyone in deepnest is a weirdo

[silk dirge]

not my goat the weirdass cephalophod thingy in beasts den

[clever grove]

I just thought it was an interesting connection. I always thought her name was odd since her appearance doesn't resemble a hornet. So Vespa made sense to me cuz maybe her fighting style was trained to be lethal like a hornet

[rain spindle]

thats

[elder nymph]

I need to learn how Snails and the Abyss have so much history

[rain spindle]

da king

[graceful grail]

Who was Widows Mate?? (Supposedly deceased)

[edgy barn]

Maybe The Gendered Child is her actual name

[fair zealot]

totally unrelated, i realized, people compare losing to first sinner to dying in a memory but actually isn't it exactly the same as losing to shakra? does this mean first sinner deliberately doesn't finish off hornet and instead just kicks her out of the cage?

[clever grove]

Frfr

[rain spindle]

me

[pure zodiac]

i was considering that but why would herrah go "yeah gendered child"

[pure zodiac]

you can't handle allat

[rain spindle]

first sinner was helping hornet

[clever grove]

So is Hornet a nickname? She seems to have adopted it in silksong

[rain spindle]

shes implied to be the first weaver

[elder nymph]

Eva also helps Hornet

[graceful grail]

She was trained at the hive, from there to. Maybe they named her when she was older.

[elder nymph]

I swear Hornet talks about her name in this game

[rain spindle]

eva is a thing the weavers created because they wanted a higher being to face GMS

[edgy barn]

I wasn't actually being serious e there

[rain spindle]

The weavers felt GMS abandoned them

which is why they fled pharloom

[clever grove]

Oh gotcha

[fair zealot]

in what way? seems to me like maybe she just wanted to be left alone

[elder nymph]

Yeah but they go back?

[rain spindle]

she gave hornet her silk skill and claims she was waiting for her

[elder nymph]

And all before Hornet goes there

[rain spindle]

... They dont

GMS was kidnapping them

[pure zodiac]

i think she was raised by the hive, or going between the hive to the white palace, and i know as fuck that neither royal members named her, so i do still think the hive queen named hornet

[fair zealot]

she didn't "give" it to her, hornet took it by force

[rain spindle]

and bringing them back. You can see she stalked them in the craddle'

[elder nymph]

I'm sorry how many weavers do you meet and get skills from? Or are those silk skills not weavers? Confused

[pure zodiac]

if we're still talking about first sinner, she was clearly testing hornet

[rain spindle]

when you take the skill it says "accept"

like accepting a gift

[clever grove]

I can't remember where it is but there's a line of dialogue that seems to say that soul and silk are equivalent. Is that true?

[fair zealot]

ah hm

[rain spindle]

ancestral weavers

[winter iris]

First sinner = Widow 2 in terms of gameplay.

[kind pagoda]

Is there a lore document anywhere?

[pure zodiac]

we talked about it yesterday, my theory is that yes silk is basically weaver soul

[edgy barn]

Not yet

[pure zodiac]

same theme too

[elder nymph]

So you are saying Hornet is a grave robber. Understood

[clever grove]

Ah gotcha. That makes sense

[edgy barn]

That's not a theory, that's literally what it is.

[rain spindle]

by the tablets, it seems they willingly gift them to hornet

says they have been waiting

[elder nymph]

I don't object. If those places were indeed burial/enshrined weavers makes sense

[sacred heath]

no those weavers were alive

were

[rain spindle]

somewhat.

[pure zodiac]

no not what you said about processed soul lol i mean the weaver equivalent of soul, not the same type of soul

[elder nymph]

They are in stasis mode then?

[rain spindle]

the snail shamans worship tk if you think abt it

[elder nymph]

Waiting for Hornet to come bind their silk to hers

[rain spindle]

yeh. via silk

[fair zealot]

the knight is more than just void

[elder nymph]

Kinda cool

[rain spindle]

he is the shade lord

[graceful grail]

white lady and pale king arent traditional “Names” - maybe they wanted the same thing for Hornet but the queen bee gave her a Nickname that stuck.

[clever grove]

I'm wondering if silk is more powerful than soul since Hornet can heal for more than the Knight can

[elder nymph]

He has the voidcrest. It is pretty clear in what it do

[edgy barn]

You mean to say that while most bugs have Soul, weavers have Silk instead?

[rain spindle]

it is implied silk is soul

just transformed

[spiral swift]

Don't they say silk and soul are one in the same

[elder nymph]

I got that sentiment as well

[rain spindle]

yeh

[fair zealot]

i mean, 9 hits worth of silk for 3 hp is the same as the knight's 9 hits worth of soul for 3 heals

[elder nymph]

Silk is equal to Soul it seems

[pure zodiac]

the same way void creatures have void, they're different life energies, even lifeblood seems to enter that category in a way with the lifeblood creatures and all

[clever grove]

I was wondering if there's a lore reason behind Hornet healing for more or if that's purely gameplay design

[rain spindle]

yeah. and the weavers manipulate it

[clever grove]

Oh yeah true

[elder nymph]

Pretty cool stuff

[rain spindle]

tk just manipulates soul cuz the snail shaman taught them

[pure zodiac]

he already uses focus before that

[rain spindle]

good catch

[edgy barn]

He learns that one from a table

[elder nymph]

HK with the voidcrest can literally assume command of the void whenever.

[rare meteor]

the Vessel's affinity for soul is definitely hereditary

[spiral swift]

Don't need to read it

[rain spindle]

tk is kinda busted

[elder nymph]

Now, when did it realize Hornet was there? Does the void have hive mind consciousness?

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet was also taught

[rain spindle]

void higher being, pale bing, half wyrm, perfect soul manipulator

[clever grove]

I think it might have some kind of hive mind

[sinful nimbus]

They both inherited the affinity for soul like Ired said and were taught by other people how to use it