sk-lore

[vague jasper]

Mushanka

[naive crag]

its poshanka she says it in text once

[empty sierra]

cut content believed to be in dlc

[white panther]

No no, ofc not, be reasonable.
Each weekend the devs are going to some houses and cook the Dino Nuggies themselves, starting with the backers ofc

[arctic mountain]

Where the steel bugs are from

[modest coyote]

she goes to pittsburgh?

[empty sierra]

they were seen in the coral area in the first trailer for sm reason

[arctic mountain]

Sharpe and his troupe got cut, hopefully they are dlc

[empty sierra]

but that areas been removed with only a small part being in the sands of karak dream

[arctic mountain]

Dlc def needs a full coral forest area, maybe after hornet helps restore the karak kingdom idk

[white panther]

I saw some leaks that Sharpe's dlc will take place on || Florida ||

[vague jasper]

Ig if the game didn't have several redesigns, we would have gotten silksong a few years back, many of the older levels seem mostly done in those trailers almost as same as now, but team cherry were prolly like "nah, let's change this" for a few years

[arctic mountain]

Stone ocean dlc

[empty sierra]

on that note i LOVE the difference between the trailers, from the first trailer it seems like they were experimenting with a bit more diffused and washed out look for silksong but ended up doubling down on that strong contrast and bold colors from the original game, made it even crazier

and it turned out perfect

[arctic mountain]

Silksong is just a really beautiful game, i love the color pallete

[naive crag]

not playing it then

[vague jasper]

Yeah that would have been a little dull

[empty sierra]

aris art direction is just unmatched

[naive crag]

i like silksong regions excluding the ones with maggots

they ugly

[white panther]

in one of the endings you can fill it with Void

[naive crag]

ofc ugly on purpose but ew

[vague jasper]

We love bilewater

Nice relaxing place

[arctic mountain]

HK being dull and muted because the kingdom is already dead, ss still has vibrancy representing the hope for pharloom

[empty sierra]

bilewater has a really cool design and some of the best soundtrack but its fucking abysmal dogshit gameplay wise

[white panther]

Exploding the maggots with grenades is a mood in itself

[golden olive]

i think bilewater is okay

[somber storm]

does needolin utility seem a bit unfinished? why does it require continuous silk use and why is there a charm that makes the effect stronger?

[arctic mountain]

I love Hks color pallete, the color contrast between games feels very thematic

[vague jasper]

I think bilewater does it's job well at what it's supposed to do

[empty sierra]

yeah has anyone found a good use for the charm that makes your songs play louder?

[golden olive]

yeah i feel like TC made it to be the last overworld gauntlet for the player

[empty sierra]

i first thought it was meant for the mist to play with multiple ghosts

[vague jasper]

Yeah Silksong a lot more optimistic than the original Hk

[empty sierra]

but ended up changing nothing

[white panther]

you can stun some enemies way easier with that charm. The trade of isnt great considering the other options but its still pretty fun

[naive crag]

yeah i love the bilewater soundtrack

but maggots disgust me a lot irl

[empty sierra]

bilewater gotta be like top 4

[somber storm]

enemmies get unstunned as soon as you stop playing though

[white panther]

just boom them to oblivion, its very satisfying

[vague jasper]

Bilewater is not worse than deepnest tho

[naive crag]

bilewater is way worse than deepnest

[golden olive]

deepnest is so much more manageable imo 😭

[vague jasper]

I don't like deepnest

[empty sierra]

deepnest has benches

[arctic mountain]

Ari gibson's art style with Christopher Larkin sound design is 11/10

[naive crag]

deepnest even has that creepy vibe bilewater just pisses you off

[white panther]

Deepnest is definitely a place in a video game

[vague jasper]

Bilewater is supposed to be disgusting and it is

Deepnest is well dark and I like to see my screen

[arctic mountain]

Blightown without the spider mommy

[empty sierra]

i thought wormways was a bit unfinished and unpolished, there wasnt all that much put into that area

[white panther]

but with a frog daddy i guess

[golden olive]

never call groal the terrible daddy

[vague jasper]

Prolly put late in development

[empty sierra]

a npc with a basic quest, one of the weaker weavenests, 2 new mob types and a charm

thats it, also it had a super simple design

not as cool looking as others, just empty

[craggy smelt]

i think wormways is pretty good, it's an area that provides a way to bypass some regions
and it transforms later on

[naive crag]

i apologize sincerely to deepnest i didnt know how easy we had it back then

[golden olive]

nah sharpdart is amazing

[visual cedar]

the charm makes it easier to read lore thats p much it

[empty sierra]

wdym what do you bypass with wormways

[white panther]

such a chill guy

[arctic mountain]

Is hornet getting kidnapped by the caged guys and getting yaharguled a blatant bloodborne reference or is that reaching

[visual cedar]

they wanted a dream nail equivalent p much

[golden olive]

wait he doesnt even look that bad

[vague jasper]

Bro chose that pig look despite being a frog

[white panther]

Screaming is self care

[naive crag]

imagine the smell

[visual cedar]

hey why can groal use VS is that explained in his journal entry

[golden olive]

he smells like plants and herbs

hence the green

[vague jasper]

And shit

[craggy smelt]

stole it from a snail shaman
like soul master

[arctic mountain]

Perhaps even bile

[empty sierra]

how are those plants on him alive he literally swims in shit and maggots

[arctic mountain]

Shit is good fertilizer

[golden olive]

is the maggot water supposed to be shit i never realized 😭

[vague jasper]

Could be goo, we don't know if it's plant

[empty sierra]

looks like abush but i guess

[cold solstice]

What significance does losy lace do for the story

[white panther]

Stolen soul

[vague jasper]

Cool boss fight

[empty sierra]

aura

[naive crag]

they wanted to include their 2017 oc

[arctic mountain]

Groal is soul tyrant coded

[empty sierra]

they shouldve figured out a cooler bossfight for true end ngl

[empty sierra]

except for being a fatass with huge eyes they have nothing in common

[vague jasper]

It wasnt bad, if GMS was the final boss I would've been dissapointed, but lost lace is fine

[visual cedar]

I like that its a duel with a tiny mobile enemy like hornet was in hk

[empty sierra]

oh and they both suck

[naive crag]

they use soul with violent purpose

[arctic mountain]

They both hoarded soul

[white panther]

oi, dont diss the Forg Boss

[naive crag]

and they both have awful runbacks

[empty sierra]

soul tyrant had a 15 second runback wdym 😭

[vague jasper]

Bilewater runback wasn't as awful after I found that hidden bench

[visual cedar]

I feel like most fan fav bosses are duels with mobile weapon wielders like hornet phantom and lace

[white panther]

in this channel we all defend Groal and we all apologize to PK

[empty sierra]

sentinel was so cool

[naive crag]

fucl pk

[vague jasper]

Ain't nobody defending groal

[white panther]

i am

[naive crag]

becaise they feel fair

[white panther]

and i always will

[naive crag]

i appreciate how silksong made silk spells not as viable

[empty sierra]

how

[vague jasper]

...

[golden olive]

i dont even remember sentinel's attacks she got folded in 10 seconds by cogfly and pompillo spam 💔

[naive crag]

in hollow knight spamming ve killed any boss in 3 seconds

[visual cedar]

can we defend savage beastfly 2 in this channel its actually super fun with clawline spam

[arctic mountain]

My favorite boss is cogwork dancers for the music and theming and lore 🏳️‍🌈

[empty sierra]

the AOE circle attack is so good in gank fights

it oneshots enemies when youre overwhelmed

[naive crag]

compare it to abyss shriek

[empty sierra]

hmm not that far off

[vague jasper]

Skills one shot most enemies and makes boss fights very quick

[empty sierra]

im disappointed that they didnt add any iframes in the game

[vague jasper]

The volt charm overpowers skills so much

[visual cedar]

any remotely mobile enemy in silksong I just start mashing the shit out of clawline button

[golden olive]

there's the parry

[vague jasper]

Sharpdart has I frames

[arctic mountain]

Iframes are dlc

[vague jasper]

Parry has I frames

[golden olive]

sharpdart iframes are suicidal

[naive crag]

silk spear makes you immobile for some time and doesnt have the giant hitbox the dark vengeful spirit had

[empty sierra]

it only negates the attack hitbox, you can still get hit by body damage

[vague jasper]

I never got hit

[empty sierra]

or anything else

[empty sierra]

ooh yea but its like 2 frames at most

[golden olive]

the great conchflys hit me like 14 times lmao

[white panther]

Ofc! The only bosses you are ok to diss are the ones from irl work

[golden olive]

tbf no other bosses really attack that fast

[halcyon zenith]

talking about gameplay in the lore channel

[visual cedar]

nah sharpdart has a ton of iframes thats the point, its like sharp shadow

[empty sierra]

bring up lore and well switch

[vague jasper]

Volt amplified thread storm carried me through coral tower, literally one shotted every enemy except for those fat ones

[golden olive]

also parry works on body damage

[white panther]

if bees can draw a map by dancing we can tell lore by fighting

[naive crag]

still not as strong as hollow knight

shaman charm was broken

[obsidian quail]

ancient civilization dlc please

[vague jasper]

Isn't that good tho

[obsidian quail]

ancient civilization prequel game please

[naive crag]

thats what i said

[arctic mountain]

Lore channel just needs to become power scaling discussion

[empty sierra]

no it doesnt wym

[naive crag]

i would talk in other channels but i hate everoyne there kinda idk

[vague jasper]

Press X to praise the dark

[golden olive]

it does i used it on trobbio so maybe it only works on him ig

[vague jasper]

That's the whole game

[obsidian quail]

Ancient civilization was just so much better than these new age dorks

[white panther]

they didnt even give a name to Nameless Town, what were those devs doing in the last 7 years???

[golden olive]

like when he would fall down

[empty sierra]

like you parried his body?

[arctic mountain]

Valid

[golden olive]

mhm

[naive crag]

theres nothing to do in an ancient civilization

and we know how it ends too

[obsidian quail]

who cares about silk when u got the VOID

[empty sierra]

could be specific to that attack, like they switched his body hitbox to a parriable attack hitbox

[obsidian quail]

we don’t know what happened to them and every kingdom ends like shit

[golden olive]

maybe

[arctic mountain]

Traveling back in time to see pharloom at its peak could be interesting dlc

[empty sierra]

but usualy attacks have a separate hitbox from the body

[naive crag]

do we ever find out whats born from the arcane egg

[empty sierra]

and you only parry that attack hitbox

[visual cedar]

This is the only channel where ppl consistently answer ur questions

[empty sierra]

arent arcane eggs just for writing stuff on them?

[vague jasper]

No, it's an information egg, not a literal egg

[naive crag]

ohhh

[obsidian quail]

they just write info on it

no one knows what happened to the AC they just disappeared

[vague jasper]

But it can't be deciphered fully

[obsidian quail]

very mysterious

something to do with overreaching akin to PK is all we know

[vague jasper]

Also it has writings like dark
... Worship... So dark

[empty sierra]

have you played act 3?

[naive crag]

theyre devote to the void not far fetched to think they sacrificed

[obsidian quail]

no we know it was something else

something with their efforts to keep expanding

[white panther]

no reason, its a very strong consensus that || Radiant Void Sherma || is by far the strongest char at the moment

[obsidian quail]

mask maker tells us

[modest coyote]

its connected to the sewers...

[empty sierra]

the WHAT??

[arctic mountain]

Now this is cinema

[modest coyote]

u do realise the reason bilewater is the way it is, is because it runs down from the citadel's sewage

[naive crag]

also the only channel where they know about the game

[vague jasper]

Ancient civilizations prolly 100's of thousands years old if not millions

[obsidian quail]

yeah the OGs

my goats

[empty sierra]

ss-lore supermacy

[arctic mountain]

Ancient civilization lore is probably something something void happened something something

[obsidian quail]

look how successful they were

they’re all over the place

[modest coyote]

theyll never answer it and they never should answer it

[vague jasper]

OG emo civilisation

[modest coyote]

its far better for some things to not be answered

[white panther]

Act 3.5 boss that gives the Pure White Giant Glastonbury Heart

[vague jasper]

Yeah ambiguity is great

[naive crag]

i think WE are wrong to assume they thought further about the ac

[obsidian quail]

they’re not emo just inspired

i don’t think they have

but i want them to cuz they’re cool as fuck

[distant dock]

are spoiler tags required in here?

[naive crag]

no

[empty sierra]

idon think so

[modest coyote]

bro its a lore channel

[vague jasper]

I think tc also only knows as much as we do

[empty sierra]

yea we just throw shit

[distant dock]

so I just beat the lost lace ending. that was the knight saving hornet at the end?

[modest coyote]

yeah probably

[naive crag]

if we discover another kingdom i want it to be lands serene

[obsidian quail]

they teased that the AC made the same mistake Hallownest did

[empty sierra]

i like spoiler tagging some images so someone randomly seeing this doesnt get flashbanged

[obsidian quail]

they were trying to expand too much

[white panther]

as a courtesy if someone clearly states that they are on certain part and is asking for early lore

[distant dock]

copy

[vague jasper]

Radiance is prolly as old as AC civilisation tho, we don't know how old the Higher beings are

[modest coyote]

ofc but our assumption is people have either beaten or are ok being spoilt

[modest coyote]

i think void is the oldest

[distant dock]

so lost lace is the end of act 3 right? I think I officialy beat the game per se

[modest coyote]

yep

[vague jasper]

Radiance has had encounters with the void in the past thus calling it ancient enemy

[obsidian quail]

the Void is definitely older than radiance

[wise hearth]

Seeing the red memory and the knight in the true ending were absolute cinema to me but left me with wanting more, when's the third game?

[distant dock]

pretty cool. I really enjoyed this game. there are still the other endings I gotta do and 100%

[modest coyote]

i think void is older nonetheless

[distant dock]

oh 100%

[white panther]

and from time to time we let people know that we are all very trigger happy here with insane spoilers

[vague jasper]

It's supposed to be the first thing in the Hollow knight world

[obsidian quail]

the Void and the First Light probably are as old as each other

[distant dock]

is there a way back to red memory or is it a one time thing?

[naive crag]

i hope tc changes their mind and makes a third hk universe game

[arctic mountain]

Void probably existed since the creation of the hk universe, possibly even before that

[vague jasper]

Could be that too

Dark and light

[obsidian quail]

or the First Light came after

[distant dock]

also the hive spot in red memory, is that the hive from hollow knight or a different place?

[obsidian quail]

why does the void have eye balls

[naive crag]

thats the hive and vespa yes

[vague jasper]

Hollow knight

[arctic mountain]

I do think after their 3rd game, team cherry will spin back around to HK ...in like 15 years

[naive crag]

so young

[distant dock]

how many endings are there currently?

[empty sierra]

i bet they are gonna start making another big dlc and end up releasing it as a game

[white panther]

i honestly really like not knowing the origin or deep lore of the Void. It's ok to leave certain things a mystery for us and for the in-game characters

[flat hearth]

Just beat act 3. So about that ending...

[arctic mountain]

The void should remain a mystery

[empty sierra]

pablo

[distant dock]

seeing the knight was peak cinema

[flat hearth]

bro fr. That was dope as hell

[distant dock]

was not expecting that

[arctic mountain]

What do we do when the void and mr mushroom show up in Fearless fox

[distant dock]

I just beat act 3 a few minutes before you did. turns out gambling saves lives

[vague jasper]

Mr mushroom solos

[empty sierra]

what does mr mushroom do in the first game?

[vague jasper]

Aura farm

[obsidian quail]

elite design actually

[flat hearth]

99% chance mushroom shows up in fearless Mr. Fox and it's in the same universe as HK/SS

[white panther]

As far as we know, 5
1 - || Weaver Queen - Normal ||
2 - || Twisted Child - Cursed ||
3 - || Snared Silk - Trap ||
4 - || Sister of the Void - Chap 3 ||
5 - || Passing of the Age - Mushroom ||

[wise hearth]

Ghe same as in silksong, crypric shit and flies away at the end

[distant dock]

I always imagine it would be cool if there's an ending no one has found

[naive crag]

well about that

[vague jasper]

Mr Mushroom is some sort of herald

[flat hearth]

I wonder how much they'll expand on the lore in the DLC

[empty sierra]

i saw a weird cutscene in an "all endings" video

[vague jasper]

That watches kingdoms end

[empty sierra]

but it didnt explain how to get it

[distant dock]

I missed the cursed ending and im sure others can relate too. sister of the void is the "good" / "true" ending then?

[vague jasper]

Yes

[distant dock]

how do I get the mushroom ending?

[obsidian quail]

there’s this weird ending where it seems like GMS takes over Hornet

[vague jasper]

Cut ending

[white panther]

There is a video that you can datamine that shows a different ending, something like Silk winning and a slow veil of silk falling over Pharloom. Since there is no achievement for it and failing any of the parts doesnt trigger it, one can assume it got cut out

[obsidian quail]

ohhh

[arctic mountain]

Mr mushroom is going to be team cherry's patches

[distant dock]

oh interesting

[obsidian quail]

having no male weavers was so dumb

[wise hearth]

I wonder if you can reach the moment where you're supposed to bind her and just don't press anything

[empty sierra]

wtf is this ending?

[wise hearth]

Silky magical parthenogenesis

[distant dock]

so what is specifically happening in the first ending? does hornet become the weaver queen and fail to control the power thus unleashing the silk all over the citadel?

[flat hearth]

Something like that

[naive crag]

she becomes monarch taking gms place

[white panther]

i tried many things, including that, i also tried searching on the code (its not fully mapped yet tho) for flags for that asset and it gives basically nothing

[arctic mountain]

Hornets Pale being DNA takes over her will

[empty sierra]

wonder what happens if you dont play your neodlin after setting the trap

[distant dock]

sister of the void is such a badass ending like the boss is very well executed and I played this game with no spoilers so seeing the knight was fucking awesome

[flat hearth]

I'm also so glad TK appearance didn't get spoiled for me that was so cool

[white panther]

you get the normal act2 ending

[flat hearth]

He's just like yo what up sis, seems like you could use a lil help

[empty sierra]

is the full code not decompiled or wdym not fully mapped

[white panther]

"Lace is drowning"
This isnt about her

[whole hawk]

Idea: Memories of Hallownest DLC. Get a special item, install it in bellhome, get transported to a dream hub of ahornet remembering Hallownest

Lets you fight the Knight in Greenpath and a superboss in Kingdoms Edge

[empty sierra]

thats just hollow knight

why would we go back to hallownest

[white panther]

even when you decompile you still need to map all the flags for events and assets, like linking arts to their capsules or masks. In this case you need to find the flags that trigger certain videos as assets and for all the other endings you can find it, except that one (and Mushroom is in a weird place but its funny and fine ofc)

[distant dock]

how do you do the mushroom ending?

[wise hearth]

Since HK ends on hornet alive outside the egg and we got a game about her, knowing that SS ends on lace alive out of the void does that mean the third game we'll play lace?

[outer stump]

Find him several times.

[empty sierra]

hows that done? and how longs it usually take?

[flat hearth]

There are a few assests from previous trailers that aren't in the game. Assuming it's DLC

[wary plover]

I think realistically she would keep the bell home key the surgeon key and the keys of the apostate just on one big key chain.

[arctic mountain]

Honestly if silksong was a prequel that ended with hornet encounter with the knight in green path that would be cool. Im glad its a sequel tho

[outer stump]

This time they even made sure to make her smaller to simplify any returning to old areas they want to do.

[wary plover]

Imagine thinking "oh this one is for the white ward, this one is for the slab" everytime hornet wants to go home

[wise hearth]

There's a quest with riddles about his locations, do them in order and you'll have the ending after beating the void

[empty sierra]

she would be way stronger than the original HK fight AND canonically she would have to lose

so it would be really hard to write and design that gameplay wise

[distant dock]

is it a wish?

[arctic mountain]

I meant more so like the game ends before the fight, cut to black credits roll

[white panther]

hmmm depends on how well organized the game is and how big it is. It's also important to understand that game devs usually organize things in a way that makes sense to them, not to the readers. Let me find an example...one sec

[wise hearth]

Yeah i think i got it in the first shrine

[empty sierra]

but arent you able to do a full search through all scripts for strings like the asset name? in this case the video

[distant dock]

thanks. I assume you have to beat sister of the void because I didn't see it earlier

[empty sierra]

and just trace that through references until you get to the conditions it gets used in

[steady prawn]

if hornet isnt void then why does the dead body of the shaman turn to void bubbles in the exact sane way hornet's cocoon does when you die

[wise hearth]

Nope, did that quest before the ending, just went to collect everything before doing it so something else triggers that quest

[fair zealot]

shamans aren't void either

[distant dock]

I have to assume it's this

[wise hearth]

Maybe the shaman isn't void either, just worships it

[white panther]

not really bcs many times the names dont need to be consistent, especially in Unity, you can have a bridge and name that bridge with "Super_Secret_Silk" or "End_2_bb1r4", something that makes sense to them but not to us and it becomes impossible to find as a human. And they dont even need to use the same logic for all assets so its not like the paths are reasonably easy to find

[wise hearth]

Nope, the icon is the mushroom charm from HK but still do the quest

[distant dock]

ohh alright

[steady prawn]

DAMN, i'll get you next time spider-void!!!

[empty sierra]

but how hard is it to "find" an exact match? you dont just run through it manually with your eyes surely theres a way to search every file for strings that match "End_2_bb1r4" right? you dont really have to understnad it as long as you can find where in the code its used

[steady prawn]

beating me with ur facts and basic logic. belive me you will rue the day you said "hornet aint void"

[vague jasper]

Hornet ain't void

[empty sierra]

oh do you mean the actual video assets havent been found yet?

[steady prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-one-day-ill-get-you-one-day-someday-yell-gif-16945411

[empty sierra]

you could also look for things that trigger the end credits, that could give you every ending regarldess of its path or filename

[white panther]

As an example, this enemy is called "Skull_Brute" on some places but also called "Bone_Goomba_Laaaarge" on others

[arctic mountain]

drop the lore video mossbag

[vague jasper]

He has been real silent for a week, prolly working hard

[white panther]

The asset is there, the mapping on flags is the hard part, like how to trigger or even if its present inside the game itself as active

[empty sierra]

i see alright

good luck 🙏

[distant dock]

you would think tormented trobbio would be harder but pretty much the same thing lol

[visual cedar]

on hindsight can't believe I feel for the snail shamans disguises

[white panther]

This one is called "Happy_Pilgrim_05" on collision mask assets

[steady prawn]

i call them thwomp_pilgrim

[mellow pewter]

Doesnt silk win in weaver queen as hornet silks everything

[white panther]

and we have names and flags that are not linked to any assets (hinting to future use or something) like Automaton_EX and Song_Phantom

one can gueeeeessssss its like Radiant names for them, like Mantis Lords and Sister Battles

(automaton = Dancers)

[white panther]

Hmmm its one way to see it, some would argue that Hornet still have full control or at least is trying to have, you could argue both sides

[fair zealot]

so is the implication with the snail shamans that they used up all of their power in casting the spell to access hornet's memories, and that's why they're gone (presumably dead) when hornet wakes up?

seems the most logical conclusion but i wanna make sure I'm not just being dumb and missing something obvious

[white panther]

either that (which i tend to believe) or the flower getting pulled from the memory strongly affected them (something something linked to the void)

[fair zealot]

hmmm

[flat hearth]

Yea I just assumed they died

[dapper willow]

They used up all their souls for the trap so they didn't have any buffer for the memory spell
I presume

[flat hearth]

Yea somethin like that. The spell killed them or they used up all their energy for the spell

[fair zealot]

oh yeah that makes a lot of sense actually

[flat hearth]

I wish we got more lore on GMS. I hope they expand on it in the DLC

[mellow pewter]

If she had full control why silk pharloom

[flat hearth]

I feel like in general HK it was a little bit more clear what was going on. Pharloom I still feel like I have no idea what was going on

[dapper willow]

same

[molten crow]

||Can someone explain why lace getting trapped in the void causes everything to go crazy? And was lace trying to save grandmother silk or help hornet when she cut the arm off?||

[nova sluice]

Maybe to substitute Silk's silk with her own and slowly return things to normal, maybe suddenly removing the original silk could harm their souls.
It's pure speculation at this point

[flat hearth]

It's gms being trapped and trying to break out that's causing the earthquakes. And I'm pretty sure lace was trying to save hornet

[green yoke]

||Everything goes nuts because GMS wants Lace to be safe and is fighting the Void HARD to keep her from being consumed||

[raven condor]

Do we ever get to meet conductor Romino?

[dapper willow]

||The void is spreading through the threads that connect to Silk Mom||

[nova sluice]

Afaik
Lace saved Hornet but also rebelled against her mother like an angry teenager. Silk still loves Lace to the point that seeing Lace inside the Void doomed to death makes Silk angry and she started to rebel against the Void to save Lace (and maybe herself, but Lace was the priority). Void strongly reacted and became a problem everywhere

[dapper willow]

I have no idea
I haven't seen him at all

[flat hearth]

Isn't he the guy that's on his death bed that gives you 1/3 of the song?

[cold solstice]

I hope that there will be a super grand boss at the end of pantheon of pharloom

[green yoke]

I like how if you do the SUPER SPEED build (Anklets + Flea Brew) in the Far Fields Weavernest, you can find a secret room detailing a bunch of routes to escape Pharloom. The Weavers really were thorough in their exodus

[raven condor]

He’s a conductor, but not romino, it’s Ballador in game

[flat hearth]

Ohhh ok

[mellow pewter]

Why does gms care so much abt lace anyway

[green yoke]

I mean she is her daughter

A weird homunculus daughter but still

[dapper willow]

And the last daughter too

[nova sluice]

I blame Silk for choosing the teenage years to perma set Lace's age

[muted lantern]

can you send a screenshot? i've never seen that

[green yoke]

One sec

[dapper willow]

Even the Pale King couldn't resist bonding to the HK

[raven condor]

Why does she love lace, but leave phantom to die.

[cold solstice]

Hk part 3 is going to be zote adventure on his way to save people from life blood curse

[nova sluice]

Lace was dying in front of her
And Phantom was...imperfect I suppose

[muted lantern]

Shes not a good mother, phantom was her first experiment in making a child, and wasnt what she wanted but lace was, she "loves" lace but in the detached and possesive way a god only can

[raven condor]

Poor lace

[muted lantern]

just like how pk abandoned all the other vessels but loved pv

higher beings are terrible parents

[nova sluice]

Poor Hornet caught up in family drama

[dapper willow]

I really wanted her to survive the game and I'm glad she did
Even though it is implied she was not too kind to pilgrims who made it to the citadel

[nova sluice]

Well...Zeus wasn't that different I suppose

[muted lantern]

idk if pk even loved hornet honestly, hes not even present in her flashbacks, white lady seems to be more of a mother to her than pale king was a father

[raven condor]

What did we learn from this? Snail shamans always take the nuclear route

[dapper willow]

I really want to see a HK game where you have to protect a higher being for once

[nova sluice]

"Daughter of 3 queens"
Not 3 queens and an absent king

[raven condor]

Uhh duh, the knight saves hornet from death. The pale king perfectly orchestrated the dream no more/ embrace the void ending (via his foresight) so he could save is daughter hundreds of bug years in the future

[nova sluice]

The whole team ready to defend Unn

[dapper willow]

adorable

[true spear]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-bell-beast-hornet-i-fucking-love-my-dog-gif-16253163473145257201

[muted lantern]

I love unn she does jack shit forever

just hangs out

[fair zealot]

she keeps greenpath from becoming brownpath 😭

[nova sluice]

And her people loved her for it

[muted lantern]

unn smokes mad weed in the acid lake

[dapper willow]

Cryptic slug entity giving you godly boons on the occasion

[raven condor]

Have you played hollowknight? She was keeping Greenpath from becoming bluepath

[muted lantern]

Unn is a better god in the sense that she isnt controlling or domineering, more of a force of nature than a ruler

[raven condor]

Super weird that hornet understands who Mr mushroom is

[muted lantern]

mr mushroom sold her weed once

[dapper willow]

I find it interesting that all the Pale King's children end up surpassing him in a way

[nova sluice]

What do you do?

• erm...nothing?
  Ok, you are by far the best Higher Being we have

[raven condor]

Just casually drops, oh, that’s the herald, shit must be going down.

[muted lantern]

pale king wanted to save hallownest, not out of any real altruism, but because it was his, and represented his rule

[fair zealot]

well it'd be blue if she never existed probably, but if she stopped existing at this point the plants would probably all die and turn brown, is the joke i was making

[dapper willow]

Even then he was one of the better higher beings

[muted lantern]

do you guys think sherma985 becomes a religous leader in the future?

[nova sluice]

Hornet is old, very old, maybe she learned Shoom
And MrM travels a lot so maybe he learned whatever Hornet is speaking

[nova sluice]

He already is

[muted lantern]

pope sherma

[wheat plank]

I just really care about seeing more void in any potential future game, void is my favorite thing from hk/ss so far

[muted lantern]

what happens to the conductor that gives you the song after act three does he die?

[dapper willow]

Yes

[muted lantern]

rip bozo, how does he die?

[dapper willow]

Rocks fall, everyoneConductor dies

[muted lantern]

sherma is defacto the highest religious figure in pharloom now

[dapper willow]

unironically rocks kill more people than the void

[muted lantern]

ooh thank you!

thats really interesting

[muted lantern]

never though to try running that room with max speed stuff

[dapper willow]

I'm not believing for a second that hornet is the last weaver

[muted lantern]

theres one in hallownest confirmed, we see them in hk

[green yoke]

There's a Rune Harp in there too, so I'll check out what the lore on that is

[nova sluice]

We don't really know that

[dapper willow]

exactly

[craggy smelt]

there could be any number of them out there still
just like there could still be vessels running around

[nova sluice]

Is this being spread as canon?

[dapper willow]

No just the npc's are very certain

[narrow glacier]

We don’t really know why. But we know that he was willing to sacrifice everything, including himself.

[green yoke]

Plea of a Weaver from the furthest edge of Pharloom.

_"Flee, sisters. Flee until your strength exhausts, so far you may escape at last her silken sight.

To start anew, to sustain, free of web and service eternal."_

[nova sluice]

I suppose in many ways it's better for them to believe she is the last one, at least the hunting will be 100% over with her

[obsidian quail]

did u guys play the needolin in nameless town

[muted lantern]

i don't think he did sacrifice himself? he ran away to the dream after his plan failed, taking his whole palace and abandoning his kingdom

[obsidian quail]

what’s that about

[muted lantern]

no whats it say?

[nova sluice]

Maybe fear of GMS

[craggy smelt]

they're bugs that tried to escape Pharloom, but their settlement failed

[dapper willow]

No
I think the nameless town is people who remained up there
While some of them were lured down by the threads

[muted lantern]

where is nameless town again?

[dapper willow]

after path of pain lite

[narrow glacier]

Yeah, because it prevented unqualified people from accessing the abyss. Only someone strong enough could get there, and handle the what was coming next

[radiant vale]

the surface

[green yoke]

The surface above the Cradle

[dapper willow]

above the cradle

[nova sluice]

Above GMS arena after a sort of Path of Pain

[narrow glacier]

He stalled the decay as much as possible

[radiant vale]

for some reason or another, the surface seems to be unhabitable for most bugs which is why both kingdoms were underground

[fleet ore]

Cold take: The Pale king is a much much more better leader than what is happening in Pharloom

[wheat plank]

If you dreamnail, it says something about land eternal

[nova sluice]

If you follow MrMushroom's instruction you will be able to find it on your own

[radiant vale]

its pretty much the same situation so both places are dogshit and dying

[wheat plank]

Because of higher beings who aren't pale king getting involved

[radiant vale]

yea but that doesnt absolve the pale king from basically stealing the moths from radiance

[narrow glacier]

Both are dying because of a jealous god. And the pale king is not said god in either circumstance

[radiant vale]

which started the whole infection in the first place

[wheat plank]

That wasn't intentional afaik

[desert gull]

How did you get this? Like can you explain in detail

[narrow glacier]

Yes it does. Radiance mind controls people and removes individuality

[muted lantern]

the pale king also sacrificed several million infants

[dapper willow]

He didn't steal them
He literally just existed and the moths thew themselves at him

[radiant vale]

cmon you cant accidentally give consciousness to an entire species of moths

[nova sluice]

PK's reign was full of "oh sh*t!!" Moments
Abyss, Radiance, Cheating his wife with the big spider, Hollow Knight, etc

[fleet ore]

At its peak I can at least see the pale king's kingdom being at peace as even other tribes are allying with him. Its not his fault the sun hates the dude as the moths decided to abandon their god.

Pharloom on the underhand is frankly a capitalist distopia with how much you pay for basic access like benches and that they get reanimated just to pay rent

[radiant vale]

pale king basically stole radiances creation so he poked the proverbial hornets nest

[dapper willow]

Some cursed Capitalist-theocracy that place is

[radiant vale]

choose your dystopia fr

[spare pendant]

hallownest was never a dystopia

[narrow glacier]

He stole her slaves. And the slavemaster got mad. Pale King did nothing wrong

[spare pendant]

a flawed kingdom, but never dystopian

[desert gull]

typos? in MY silksong??? more likely than you think

also if you want to take off the mask just charge attack him

[spare pendant]

what typo

[dapper willow]

Oh my how did you remove his mask

[radiant vale]

his entire kingdom being the collateral

[wheat plank]

"its"

[dapper willow]

I see

[fleet ore]

Can't wait for the phanthom troupe and the godseekers. If they're still alive to appear to try and harvest this dying kingdom

[radiant vale]

noob kingdom

[spare pendant]

lmao i didnt even notice

mask maker is bad at grammar

[narrow glacier]

Still not a slight on him. Doing the right thing and then blaming the good for the retaliation of the evil doesn’t hold up

[spare pendant]

hornet could sense the lack of an apostrophe

[fleet ore]

If hornet's "Head" is just a mask. Does she also look like Grandmother silk behind the mask?

[spare pendant]

it's not literally a mask

it's part of her shell

[nova sluice]

Cursed

[radiant vale]

saving a small tribe which in turn basically destroyed his entire kingdom isnt really a good thing

[fleet ore]

Is it similar to what she said with Widow that its her biological mask.

[spare pendant]

the weaver mask isn't biological it's just literally a mask

[dapper willow]

The moths willingly sided with him
He did nothing to them
Didn't even give them a mind (because they already had one)

[wheat plank]

You are pretty misguided on what is good or not lol

[fleet ore]

I see

[narrow glacier]

That’s a misguided take.

“Don’t help even if you have the power to, otherwise the villain might retaliate”

[radiant vale]

im not saying what the pale king did was bad, im saying it was stupid. Provoking a godlike entity and dooming your own kingdom to be mindcontrolled by it is NOT a good thing when you then make even more sacrifices which led to the downfall of his entire kingdom

[somber storm]

was radiance even a villain before she was forgotten

[fleet ore]

How would he know that he be angering the sun?

[hearty vine]

[dapper willow]

Not really
She was just chilling with the moths

[somber storm]

the last moth stayed loyal to her

if PK saw the future why didn't he tell the moths to fuck off and worship their own god

[radiant vale]

"Help 10 people if it means 100,000 will die later" is better?

[narrow glacier]

It’s only “stupid” in hindsight.

Again blaming the good for the retaliation of the evil is a misguided take

[nova sluice]

Maybe he didn't see the whole future, just small parts of it

[dapper willow]

I think the radiance is one of those beings that do not operate on human like understanding
She sees the word different than most bugs and other higher beings
Maybe that's true for mother silk as well
Its a shame that the main antagonists don't talk in the hollow knight games
The franchise could use a more human-like antagonist for once

[wheat plank]

Plus like, you are ignoring that pale king didn't even do that, the moths just were like "hey radiance, we don't care about you anymore dawg" on their own accord, pale king was just ruling hallownest, and the moths just dropped everything to join him

[radiant vale]

"The franchise could use a more human-like antagonist for once" Cmon man

[dapper willow]

Or maybe he couldn't see that far in the future
The ability had to have some limit to it

[narrow glacier]

To be fair, you can get Radiance dialogue. It just mostly boils down to “KILL THE ARCHENEMY”

[nova sluice]

I like my villains to stay quiet
...since I tend to simpatize with them sometimes

[radiant vale]

can the pale king in his non wyrm form even fight higher beings

cuz he could've just come together with the white lady and fought radiance off or something

[narrow glacier]

She’s constantly yelling kill the knight over and over at her thralls

[somber storm]

"No blazing kin. Only one light shall shine against the dark" PK was probably too greedy to not have everyone's devotion

[radiant vale]

yea i dont like it when people make the PK to be out as some amazing leader who did no wrong

[nova sluice]

Unn would kick Radiance's butt any day if she wanted to

[somber storm]

like in that respect he's no different from radiance or mother silk, it's either devotion or nothing

[narrow glacier]

I’m going off on how Warhammer 40k Emperor doing future sight. Where it’s like a cliff, and at the top is where he wants to go. But trying to climb it, you never know which rock is sturdy enough to get you there

[dapper willow]

It would be easier for me if they were sympathetic in some way and actually talked about their thoughts, instead of just being a silent all encompassing force you only meet at the end of the game

[radiant vale]

now the question is if believing in a higher being does something or not. Would anything change for radiance if all moths started worshipping someone else?

[dapper willow]

that could be the way too

[wheat plank]

I sympathize with almost any villain with a sad story

Or just character in general

[dapper willow]

That's just untrue
See the mantises, the mosskin and the spiders

[nova sluice]

Kefka (ff6) is amazing on this. He is very present since the beginning

[dapper willow]

Poor lace

Its official that she has the most refights in all of hollow knight

[wheat plank]

Ehhhh, not if you count godhome

[fallow rose]

i was just wondering for green prince lore cos i dont think i fully understood it, is it that his lover the other green prince goes to the citadel and gets turned into one of the cogwork dancers, or are they just modelled after him?

[narrow glacier]

I like the villains being eldritch forces just a bit beyond our understanding. And I like that the Pale King, came down from that and became something closer to human (or bug)

[radiant vale]

????

[modest coyote]

pale king the goat

[radiant vale]

insane take

[nova sluice]

What the frick are you two on about??

[modest coyote]

i think he put his soul into the machine

[dapper willow]

I'm not counting godhome
That place is weird

[modest coyote]

cause we see green knight hold the machine like its a corpse

[naive crag]

the citadel wanted to get rid of verdania and he offered himself as sacrifice to save it

[narrow glacier]

Yeah, after Silksong, I see the Pale King in a way more positive light now.

[modest coyote]

ong

[naive crag]

he was the mold for the cogwork dancers and his soul is inside too

[fallow rose]

ohh i see

[radiant vale]

pale king propaganda

[modest coyote]

yeah i dont really bget the mechanics of it

[fallow rose]

they wanted to fully get rid of it?? damn

[modest coyote]

HE MADE THE TRAMS RUN ON TIME

[naive crag]

i mean they did

[fallow rose]

for what reason

[naive crag]

maybe not get rid of it directly but we know the citadel was threating its existence

[radiant vale]

THEYRE BROKEN NOW

[naive crag]

maybe by cutting water supply

[dapper willow]

They are evil I guess

They got rid of verdana anyway

[naive crag]

they didnt even do their part of the deal

[nova sluice]

The little butterfly that comes out whenever you destroy an automaton is a petty cool touch to simbolize the soul

[narrow glacier]

The reverse, the all the negative propaganda gets put into context when you see what the other Pale Beings/Gods do

[fallow rose]

ooh i see

[narrow glacier]

If we all had a choice between Pale King, Radiance, and Silk, I think most here would pick the Pale King

[dapper willow]

or by polluting the hekk out of the water supply

[radiant vale]

well the only good higher beings are the ones who just chill and isolate themselves from normal bugs, like Unn

[radiant vale]

I would chose NONE and let a mortal bug do it all

[naive crag]

i pick white lady

[radiant vale]

someone extract this man, hes been infected by the pale light

[naive crag]

or radiance because shes cool i wouldnt forget her

[wheat plank]

Okay, don't talk to the Borb person, they seem to be trolling imo

[dapper willow]

I mean the void is pretty chill as long as you don't get close to it

[nova sluice]

I'm devoted to Unn. Every single of her subjects really likes her

[radiant vale]

"he doesnt agree with everything i say so hes a troll" Idiot

[radiant vale]

BASED TAKE

[wheat plank]

You are ignoring stuff

[naive crag]

is the life unn creates intelligent

[narrow glacier]

The best thing about Unn. She was worshipped while the Pale King was in control. That means they had a choice

[radiant vale]

do you consider moss creatures to be intelligent

well maybe cuz moss knights exist

[naive crag]

the moss guards seem kidna sapient but we wouldnt know without radiance

and the moss cult

[radiant vale]

yea you dont make weapons without some intelligence

[narrow glacier]

Yeah, we have no context of sapience without a higher power guiding it

So so far, gods can’t leave bugs alone. Otherwise there is no civilization

[radiant vale]

Unn probably has the chillest biome/rule over her area

[wheat plank]

What about the pilgrims?

[dapper willow]

The masks seem to give some form of sapience

[naive crag]

there is sapience without higher beings

[nova sluice]

At some point they tried to understand Unn's wishes iirc, so there is some kind of sapience, maybe just by the presence of Unn herself

[narrow glacier]

Which is probably the current work around

[naive crag]

but some of them can make beasts sapient

thats what pk does

[narrow glacier]

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a higher power of masks or something

[naive crag]

the mantis tribe doesnt seem to be devote to anyone

[radiant vale]

Mantis tribe is very battle centric

they only respect you when you beat their lords

[naive crag]

sooo what

[radiant vale]

but did pale king ever do so

i assume the mantis just have loyalty to their own lords before PK

[wheat plank]

Continuing to ignore stuff, I see, so you get blocked then

[naive crag]

they made a truce

[radiant vale]

manchild

[radiant vale]

yea cuz i do remember PK worked together with the mantis tribe to block the path to deepnest

[naive crag]

but theyre independent from hallownest

[wheat plank]

I might be, who knows

[naive crag]

what did borb do

[radiant vale]

i wouldn't say fully, deepnest is very independant from hallownest tho cuz the pale king hates them

[naive crag]

pk doesnt hate deepnest

[radiant vale]

he just disagrees with me

[naive crag]

deepnest hates him

[nova sluice]

No need to use impolite words here ☀️

[naive crag]

muckmaggot

[radiant vale]

which is odd considering pale king and hera had a child together

[nova sluice]

Diagonal pogo

[dapper willow]

worst place ever
I'm surprised hornet is not disturbed by the disgusting maggot water

[naive crag]

hornet wasnt born because of love she just wanted a child and pk could grant her wish

[dapper willow]

and everything else there

[narrow glacier]

I do wonder if the Radiance was a Pale Being at some point or has any relation to them. Because of the whole light motif. Maybe her light got corrupted at some point.

[radiant vale]

yea since weavers cant have children of their own

[naive crag]

nothing indicates that

[narrow glacier]

My running theory is that she wanted a way to fight against Silk. And A child with another Pale being was the perfect opportunity

[naive crag]

and her light is different

its more yellowey not pale

[radiant vale]

i dont think shes considered a pale being cuz her light is yellowish and warm and she controls "dream" and "essence" meanwhile pale light is pure white

[dapper willow]

I think radiance is higher than even a pale being
because dreams seem to be a very fundamental part of nature

[narrow glacier]

I know. I’m saying I wonder if there’s. A reason for that. The difference between her light and the pale light

[radiant vale]

it also shows when she infects creatures they have an orange hue and not a white light like the bugs in white palace

[naive crag]

radiance is the strongest force we know of if we dont count the void imo

[nova sluice]

Could be but during Red Memory Herrah sounds very motherly in such a positive way, it's hard to see her wanting Hornet to become anything else thn just herself

[radiant vale]

probably just different catagories of higher beings, so far we've seen multiple pale beings and thats it

[green yoke]

It's possible but I'm not a fan of that idea. Having a child just for the purpose of a task feels like something GMS would do, and I think Herrah as a Weaver would find that untenable

[naive crag]

her light is what makes essence

[dapper willow]

Maybe she wanted hornet to be her successor in a way

[naive crag]

pale light is strong against the void

their properties are different

[radiant vale]

hera did show love for hornet in the red memory so i agree with this

[radiant vale]

hera directly says ignore everyone and their expectations and find your own path to hornet in the red memory

[nova sluice]

I don't think we have a clear taxonomy for Pale Beings, or even Higher Beings, we just accept how they are treated and named by other bugs

[naive crag]

she says she wants hornet to find her own path and not listen to what others want

[dapper willow]

The only light that is powerful against the void is the light of the Everbloom
Which I do not know the source of
It is unknown if its related to pale beings

[dry heart]

ok so i just finished the game and i have a few questions

1. if knight already unified the void why was it just attacking everyone? and how come the knight helped in the end only? Or is the void so big that the knight didnt notice/know?
2. did those snail shamans die after they gave hornet everbloom?
3. Why is there another abyss in pharloom? whats the meaning of it?

[naive crag]

the lighthouse has a neutralizing effefct too

[narrow glacier]

I vaguely recall Hornet also calling it Pale

[green yoke]

I do think Herrah would be very proud of what Hornet did though, even if she was probably screaming from bug heaven as Hornet listens to the snails

[naive crag]

its light is described as pale and faint

[hollow spear]

Herrah had a husband before Pale King's deal to be a Dreamer. But he fucking DIED and she was left without an heir

[wheat plank]

"I will find the pale flower" or something

[narrow glacier]

1. Grandmother Silk lashing out from the void caused Void Silk to attack Pharloom

2. Abyss is everywhere. Just gotta dig Deep enough

[dapper willow]

Maybe its just light in general in some cases
It is able to calm the void somewhat

[radiant vale]

the knight doesnt control the entire void, since we know theres an abyss under both hallownest and pharloom, it might just be a lower ground level of their entire world so the knight cant control it all, he might've only done so to help hornet in that situation.

[true spear]

hmmmmm

[true spear]

you mean void tendrils right

[dapper willow]

Its a bit spooky that the abyss encompasses the whole world

[dry heart]

so the void in hollow knight world is.. kinda like the void in minecraft if you really think about it...

[maiden meteor]

Yeah most likely. Knight isn’t omnipresent in void and so only came in clutch when they sensed Hornet most likely

[dry heart]

so is knight the most powerful being in the "void" ? since he did stop it from killing hornet?

[narrow glacier]

The void tendrils that shoot up into Pharloom are GMS’s Silk

[green yoke]

I consider Little Ghost to be like, the void's manager. They can control it and it obeys their will, but they can't be everywhere at once. Still, they probably took notice when stuff started freaking out in Pharloom and rushed over physically to assess the situation

[maiden meteor]

I think Knight can control any void but not all void

[wheat plank]

Reminds me a lot about rain world, both have a void that encompasses the bottom of the world, and have "void fluid" be used as a resource

[radiant vale]

it most likely covers most of their world on the bottom layer so who knows, but it is a pretty good theory to the abyss layer exists everywhere around the HK world

[hollow spear]

omg hiii rain world reference

[narrow glacier]

She creates a silk cocoon and lashes at with more silk afterwards. That’s why you repeatedly hear her screaming and the tendrils shake/shiver

[obsidian quail]

probably because it’s pale

[maiden meteor]

afaik in crawler entry Hornet ponders if she would find abyss anywhere if she dug deep enough

[radiant vale]

now this is more debatable, i think the knight does have alot of power in the void but i doubt hes the strongest

[dapper willow]

Maybe the reason she didn't let go of pharloom after getting voided is because she was trying to pull her cocoon up from the void

[naive crag]

hornet says ''no matter how far i travel if i descend enough i always find it''

[radiant vale]

yea this might be hinting towards that fact

[hollow spear]

Hell nah (Rain World ending spoilers) ||Hornet swimming in the Void in the ending of the game really seems like the slugcats swimming in the void xDDD even the ''snake-like'' things swimming nearly her||

[narrow glacier]

We should’ve been allowed to give Hornet the flower in HK. Then she uses that memory to grab it

[hollow spear]

what a busy vessel

[obsidian quail]

the Knight should be the only thing that can bend the void to its will

[nova sluice]

We are going into some slight speculations here but
1 - Knight unified a part of the Void, maybe it's absurdly huge and covers a big area, we also have no clue how far Pharloom is from Hallownest but they are not very close. Also the void is basically destructive instinct, it didn't plan on hurting Hornet, it just happened

2 - one idea is that they used a lot of power for the snare and also a lot of power for Hornet's memory trip, maybe their last energy and they perished. Another idea is that when Hornet came back with the Everbloom the snails reacted to it in a bad way since they are somewhat close to the void. I tend to prefer the first one

3 - we don't know much about the abyss but maybe it's a layer of the planet or continent and it covers a huge territory, so maybe it's not just below Pharloom, it's below everything

[wheat plank]

Oh yea, funny how similar two completely different games can be

[maiden meteor]

I think White Lady having her own Everbloom has actually interesting lore implications

[naive crag]

i prefer the way it is now with the wl lore

[dapper willow]

Unless someone else gives focus to the void somewhere in the world, then the knight is the most powerful void being (along with his siblings)

[dry heart]

but who could be stronger than the one who unified it? i mean youre right, the void is super mysterious so by its insane power it'd be fair to assume there is some stronger overruler of it, of sorts.

[frozen dove]

But how would said mechanic work then, good sir? Does Silksong need to check for a specific file on your PC if that function ever becomes a thing?

[dry heart]

fair enough thanks

[obsidian quail]

the Knight is the only thing, nothing is stronger than it

[nova sluice]

And for why the Void lashed out is mostly bcs Silk was raging like crazy trying to protect Lace from it, and created a huge reaction

[dry heart]

its still nice to know the knight is still alive in the void though

[maiden meteor]

Void on itself is like a force of nature. Knight just has an insane ability to impose its will upon void through void heart I think

[nova sluice]

Also the snail snare could have a big part on this since teleporting Void up or Silk down is bound to have weird consequences

[naive crag]

or it lashed out because it dislikes pale light and that flower was a beacon in there

[maiden meteor]

doesn’t void attack you on descend as well

[obsidian quail]

the Knight IS the Void

[hollow spear]

I personally believe that the Knight and their vessels are all the same thing in a sort of hivemind and there's not a ''stronger one'', their all the same when they need to

[naive crag]

it tries

[radiant vale]

i think its both since GMS is basically a beacon of pale power too

[obsidian quail]

the Knight is the only thing with the Voidheart

[hollow spear]

But I like the idea of Knight being the CEO of the void aswell so idgf

[hollow spear]

And? This don't go agains't what I said. Knight unified the void with them, their all the same fella now

They choose to abandon their own ''individual'' to be part of a unified being

[maiden meteor]

Knight is either full on Lord of Shades, or very close to being one (honestly its hella unclear) so it IS likely a hivemind of sorts

but apparently they can just somehow split apart???

[dapper willow]

I think after the whole godseeker incident the lord shade fell apart because there was nobody to focus it anymore

[obsidian quail]

i’m not sure what u mean by they’re not stronger than the other, nothing other than the Knight can bend the Void to its will

[nova sluice]

Void is big, like impossible big, and we know very little about it (and I honestly like it as it is)

[radiant vale]

im just assuming the knight has some form of consciousness and it can controll the chaotic void as his own limbs due to the voidheart and his own will

[dapper willow]

also I wanted to see some dream stuff in silksong, but it seems that memories are only recorded in silk, instead of essence

[radiant vale]

you can't say with certainty that the knight is the only thing that can control the void

[maiden meteor]

I think Dreams and Memories are very close in nature

[dry heart]

ok and 1 last question why did we see a short moment of knight looking like the shade lord to hornet? I thought silksong continued from dream no more

[obsidian quail]

saying otherwise is headcanon, it’s explicitly the only thing we know of until stated otherwise

[maiden meteor]

both are powers to enter someone’s minds related to Higher Beings

[dapper willow]

There were no essence particles 😔

[nova sluice]

Certainty is a rare thing with lore about the Void

[dry heart]

what does that mean

[radiant vale]

as you said, saying otherwise is YOUR own head canon

[naive crag]

i dont think so

[hollow spear]

Changing topics I really liked how they pick up the best two Hollow Knight endings (Dream No More and Embrace The Void) and made them both cannon in some way, lefting ambigous of which one is the true one (And I really prefer they like this forever)

[naive crag]

one is a whole realm and the other is just the individuals memory

[radiant vale]

its not like we know everything about the void anyway so its literally a mystery

[obsidian quail]

no Borb, all that we actually know is the Knight is the only thing that can bend void to its will

[radiant vale]

You do need "power" to access those memories which is why you hunt for those hearts

[obsidian quail]

we have not seen and it has not been hinted at otherwise

[naive crag]

a power even hornet could acquire and shes not a higher being

[radiant vale]

so we've only seen like 10 higher being so does that mean only 10 higher beings exist in the world of HK?

[dapper willow]

the pale king seems to be able to do it too in some ways

[radiant vale]

headcanon moment...

[green yoke]

I'm personally a bigger fan of Dream No More just because it means THK came in and helped us get the final hits in

[radiant vale]

yea its wack since its a new mechanic fr

[obsidian quail]

false equivalence, there has always been stated to be multiple higher beings but Voidheart is a very special case

[maiden meteor]

Well, we only had opportunity to enter memory. Also the song to enter memories are given by shamans and those certainly know a thing about dreams as well

[obsidian quail]

u can headcanon that there’s something stronger than TK but that’s headcanon as of now

it was called power without unity until the Knight unified it

[naive crag]

what do shamans know about dreams

[dapper willow]

I think the whole memory thing is similar to how higher beings create things. They dream things into reality, and hornet did something similar with the pale flower

[naive crag]

moths know about dreams i dont remember shamans having anything to do with it

[nova sluice]

There was no need to kill the Green Prince...he was in a bad situation emotionally, griefing

[hollow spear]

I can't lie, It's my personal favorite Hollow Knight ending. It's just so cool seeing all the siblings going after Radiance. And Hornet helping us in the outside is so cool either. We even get an emotional cutscene.

And Hornet saying that she already saw many sacrificies in her life connects with it too, since both Knight and Hollow Knight ''die'' in order to stop Radiance.

[radiant vale]

"my headcanon is better than yours 😠 "

[hollow spear]

He is with his love forever, at last

[maiden meteor]

Ancestral Mound shaman can def see you read their mind with dream nail

[obsidian quail]

borb u need to think brother

there is no headcanon in saying the Knight is the only thing we know of that has unified the Void

[nova sluice]

We should have gave him time to mourn, to pass the stages of grief

[radiant vale]

thats exactly what im saying

[nova sluice]

Karmelia was a very different case but also bad that we killed her

[hollow spear]

He was already mourning in the cage of Sinner's Road I think, at least he didn't rot in a lame cage

[radiant vale]

but im also saying its a mystery that we dont know everything about the void

[dapper willow]

I don't know why they die in the first place
maybe because we literally take out their hearts?
But why that happens I do not know

[obsidian quail]

yes so saying that the Knight isn’t the strongest is the definition of headcanon because all that is confirmed is the Knight

[radiant vale]

i never said that tho?

[maiden meteor]

I really don’t think void can create any higher beings on its own. Void is basically an antithesis of creation

[green yoke]

Okay so for tragic queer couples we've had the Grey Mourner and the Green Prince. What colour do you think the next one will be

[maiden meteor]

Knight is very special case

[hollow spear]

Because Hornet needed the Heart I think

why she takes the heart even If you already completed the quest IDK maybe she just pissed off

[obsidian quail]

yes u did

[hollow spear]

Purple Wasp

[nova sluice]

But there was progress, he got the body, the soul of his lover, and we should have left it like that

At most we need to choose between killing Karmelia or Green

[radiant vale]

yea cuz the knight cant really control the entire void so that just definitively means its not "strongest"

[maiden meteor]

Killing someone in their memory is probably like lobotomizing them

[hollow spear]

Hornet was pissed off because he was rude to her it's not her fault

[obsidian quail]

okay borb

[radiant vale]

sure ximmy

[green yoke]

I'd rather give the Green Prince peace than kill off the ant queen, but tbh they both seem to be done with life

[obsidian quail]

so what’s stronger than the Knight

give an example

[radiant vale]

idk you tell me since you use very factual statements

[dapper willow]

Hegemol seems to be fine after we kill him in his dream so idk

[radiant vale]

you seem to know more than team cherry atp

[obsidian quail]

ur the one making the claim borb

[nova sluice]

At that moment yes, but...maybe they just needed more time, way more time

[obsidian quail]

this is bait

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think you really kill White Defender

[nova sluice]

Karmelia sounded more done thn Green

[obsidian quail]

borb that is you brother cuz ur going beyond what TC has actually said in game

[maiden meteor]

it’s a friendly sparring

[hollow spear]

And, again I can't lie, if some of the endings is going to be true one, I'd choose Dream No More. I am not quite fond of the ''true'' ending being a DLC one and not requiring any of the Dreamers xD

[nova sluice]

Getting the robot body was VERY recent for Green

[radiant vale]

is that also your head canon of me?

😭

[obsidian quail]

which is something being stronger than the Knight

[obsidian quail]

we have no basis for that

[maiden meteor]

Do we even have an example of straight up killing someone in their dream in original

[green yoke]

I think him getting to take one last trip down memory lane in Verdania was the best ending he could have. His kingdom was irreparably lost, his lover taken from him.

[dapper willow]

Maybe

[green yoke]

Monomon

[obsidian quail]

all we know is the Knight can bend the void under its will, no other being is said to do that

[hollow spear]

Grimm maybe

[maiden meteor]

I think Grimm and Dreamers are kinda edge cases tbh

[radiant vale]

yea but arguing about the "strongest" is just gonna get nowhere since theres no way to prove either side

[dapper willow]

Everyone he knew died and he was rotting in prison
And the kingdom was about to explode
If there is a time to die a glorious death then that was it

[radiant vale]

its just all speculation about a thing we dont know about

[maiden meteor]

You straight up consume Dreamers and Grimm is a weird godlike being with weird ritual

[radiant vale]

grimm is actually just a vessel for the nightmare heart

[hollow spear]

Radiance is another strange example since it isn't her dream, but she can only be killed in the Dream Realm

[obsidian quail]

there is no argument cuz there is no case to make on the other side BORB we have no BASIS BEYOND THE KNIGHT

[radiant vale]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[green yoke]

They're also the ONLY cases. You can't really call them edge cases when they're all we have

[radiant vale]

god ur so silly

[obsidian quail]

i’m talking to a wall

[nova sluice]

You can always find something else, one last shiver of hope, we got him at a very weak moment during grief. Don't you think it's kinda sad? It's so dark of us to do it

[obsidian quail]

fuckin hell

[radiant vale]

mirror it seems like

[dapper willow]

Radaince dies if you kill her in the dream because thats her real self
So you like actually kill her because she is a dream being

[obsidian quail]

borb u don’t know what headcanon means

[green yoke]

I mean it's very dark souls

Then again we did find the Nailsmith a new lease on life with Sheo

[radiant vale]

this is bait

[wary plover]

I keep hearing bzzz bzzz

[obsidian quail]

i wish it was

[radiant vale]

LMAO

[nova sluice]

tinnitus is a horrible thing

[radiant vale]

tbf i did see people call HK a 2d dark souls

i guess they do have a similar story and game mechanics

[green yoke]

I mean the inspiration is pretty clear

[wary plover]

No but it's only in the inventory

[radiant vale]

yea and i do like how they built a fully unique world with that idea

instead of some normal fantasy slop

[hollow spear]

Grand Silk Mother

[maiden meteor]

Thing is, Prince’s lover wasn’t just a lover

[green yoke]

Mhm! It's not like they're ripping it off wholesale, just taking some of the better aspects and applying them to the world they'd clearly already built

[hollow spear]

He was a GOAT, a FELLA, a BUDDY

[maiden meteor]

they were literally two pieces of whole, born and fated to sit on the throne together

[nova sluice]

And to think I got 4 hearts so that one is just going to the wall!!
(Also Hornet is horrible with Interior Design)

[obsidian quail]

the Hollow Knight story and Dark Souls story are extremely similar

[green yoke]

Verdania: nah that shits a curse fam

[dapper willow]

its weird that hornet can hold so many squirming things in her inventory
It can't be comfortable with the baby parasyte, the hearts, and the lifeblood cocoon thing

[radiant vale]

a down trodden world where a chosen vessel (undead) goes through and explores the lands and unlocks shortcuts etc etc but yea i get the point

[hollow spear]

poshanka

[obsidian quail]

like 1:1 in some aspects

[radiant vale]

finally something good out of you

[hollow spear]

Don't forget all the fucking tools

[nova sluice]

I know, but I still feel like we killed him WAY too soon into the griefing process

[obsidian quail]

oh borb

[hollow spear]

Woah woah don't be rash

[naive crag]

oh borb i cant hate you with that pfp

[maiden meteor]

They even added Blightown in Silksong

[nova sluice]

Headcanon: || Borb and Ximmy are going to become a couple in a few months ||

[dapper willow]

If hornet didn't slap grindle they both might have died because his nabbing might trigger all the buzzsaws and traps in her pocket

[naive crag]

its weird to say that

[radiant vale]

its banter dw

[maiden meteor]

I hope we get Caelid in dlc

[hollow spear]

I can't wait to see the brand new Silksong's story when it actually releas- Oh

[radiant vale]

can you give me an ingame dialog that shows that?

[radiant vale]

yea its a cute ass bird

[hollow spear]

this one

[radiant vale]

voidified fat birds in greymoor piss me off

[hollow spear]

These birds are pissing me off...

[maiden meteor]

we should start posting craws instead of aspids

[green yoke]

Pinmaster: let us have a final duel, needle to pin, here at the end of the world.

Hornet carrying twenty javelins, a bucket of poison Legos and eight fully functional combat automata:

[hollow spear]

I am the original
voidwalker

[naive crag]

i think of radiance when i see this video

[radiant vale]

PALE BIRD??

[radiant vale]

i lowkey thought she was dead when i first saw her

so i felt sad for a while

[hollow spear]

Pale King: Hey THK don't worry you just need to enter this funky temple

THK's vision when the seals start to appearing on the floor:

[maiden meteor]

don’t forget Architect Crest to refill them on the go and GIGA DRILL BREAK

[nova sluice]

Husk Dandy - dream nail

[green yoke]

Genuinely my favourite moveset

[radiant vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191243179417149534/1328350085033234442/green-cat-glorb.gif

[green yoke]

If only Shards weren't so hard to come by lategame

[hollow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/pushpraj-10-when-you-know-but-can't-prove-it-gif-7256054827078291974

[radiant vale]

i bought like 20 shard packs near the end

[dapper willow]

Haha

Surprisingly I did't really use the tools all that much because I didn't have enough shell shards

I also didn't want to cheese the bosses and give them a chance

[green yoke]

BUT YOU GO THROUGH THEM IN LIKE 3 RUNS AAAAAA

[radiant vale]

thats like 3 repairs if you use architect crest

yea lmfao its so little

[green yoke]

I was hoping there wasn't a cap

[hollow spear]

Pinmaster is cheating too she fell off the FUCKING MOUNTAIN and came back while if I fall she straight up cancels the duel

Oh yeah she's like flying 80% of the fight this isn't fair

[green yoke]

Unlike every other enemy in this game who will keep aggro forever until you leave the zone

(Looking at you, big boys in Deep Docks)

[radiant vale]

what kind of bug is pin master

[radiant vale]

shes deadass just a boss flying aspid

[hollow spear]

Pinmastermon

[dapper willow]

She inherited that from the bilewater horrors

Another piece of evidence that SS is a souls game

The swamp area is absolutely disgusting and horrible

[nova sluice]

Average Purple Cogfly Enjoyer

[naive crag]

is there more homos in the game apart from green prince

[nova sluice]

You can always bomb the maggots

[hollow spear]

I really didn't find Bilewater so terrible like some people says it is

[maiden meteor]

by far the worst part is wish leading you to Pinmaster hut only to find out you have to climb mountain

[radiant vale]

very odd statement but not that i can think of

[hollow spear]

Of course backtracking to Groal is brutal but the area is pretty chill when you take the backtracking off the conversation

[dapper willow]

The pinstresses seem to be the same kind of bugs as the swamp bugs

[maiden meteor]

They should make enemy gauntlet before groal a one time thing

[dapper willow]

There is even a dead third one in bilewater

[hollow spear]

I can't wait to play Silkmaster the boss rush dlc

Pantheon of Pharloom: You have the HP bind 24/7

[dapper willow]

Yes please

[radiant vale]

kinda hard to tell when theyre all black of different shapes

[green yoke]

Honestly most of the bosses will be fine in a rush, but I fear for having to do Signis & Gron or Karmelita mid pantheon

[serene belfry]

ok so i just got the true ending and everything up to it had me like

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[hollow spear]

I don't think so tbh. Individually the bosses are pretty ok but losing 2 masks of health with one single mistake is pretty brutal

[serene belfry]

i assume that its still not safe to discuss it without spoilering here?

[maiden meteor]

Put Lost Gormund mid pantheon for mental damage

[hollow spear]

Especially in Hollow Knight when one error leads to one another

[green yoke]

Lucky you, my game BUGGED OUT DURING THE LAST CUTSCENE AND I COULD ONLY HEAR THE AUDIO

IT WAS JUST A BLACK SCREEN

I HAD TO FUCKIN GO TO YOUTUBE TO SEE ||THE KNIGHT||

[hollow spear]

No way 😭 I would be so angry

[naive crag]

it is safe

[serene belfry]

oh ok

[green yoke]

I'm thinking there might be more mid-pantheon break rooms to alleviate that

[hollow spear]

Maybe

[serene belfry]

anyway HOLY SHIT WHAT THE PEAK

i assume that confirms that the shade lord or specifically the flower ending is the canon one

[hollow spear]

Not exactly

[green yoke]

That or Dream No More seems to be the canon ending

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think it’s DNM tbh cause we don’t see Hollow Knight

[hollow spear]

It's still left ambigous of which one of the Kill-the-fuck-out-of-Radiance endings is the canon one

[naive crag]

hollow knight isnt the knight

[serene belfry]

we see shade lord specifically in dream no more knight doesnt realise its potnetial to become shade lord

iirc

[hollow spear]

Zelda is the green guy am I right

[maiden meteor]

Either it’s EtV with or without flower is still ambiguous tho

[naive crag]

i was replying to them but they deleted because they realized

[serene belfry]

i wouldnt think its embrace the void because that ends with the knight 1v1ing hornet

[naive crag]

before i could send my msg

[maiden meteor]

I think flower version would be neater cause it would neatly tie into Act 3 events

[serene belfry]

true

[naive crag]

Hollow knight has no reason to be hostile towards hornet

we dont know if they fight for real or it comes out and thats it

[radiant vale]

im just excited at what theyre gonna add in the DLCs or free updates

i assume a prime of the coral biome

[hollow spear]

But we see Void Given Form that didn't exists in Embrace No Void, nor the ''Sibling army'' that appears in the background, sooo, It's still ambiguous.

[maiden meteor]

I think there would be a little fight cause I don’t think Hollow Knight knows who Hornet is

[serene belfry]

true tho

[rain wind]

On a related note, is Sharpe and his ilk Steel Soul-exclusive?

[maiden meteor]

Imagine Hollow Knight’s pov

[radiant vale]

wdym

[hollow spear]

Armless them vs Quirky lesbian

[maiden meteor]

you have awful headache that suddenly stops and your tomb just magically opens

[radiant vale]

there is some steel soul exclusive stuff but its in wormways

[naive crag]

was hk alive during hornet

maybe it can remember her

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think they ever met

[dapper willow]

There seem to be some cut content from the trailera

[serene belfry]

what if its supposed to be like its own thing where its all of them dream no more happens but abs rad is a bit stronger so knight turns into shade lord or smth lowkey idfk

[naive crag]

the knight does save her dont see why hollow knight would be any differnet

[maiden meteor]

King would have zero reason to introduce anyone not vital to operation to HK

[serene belfry]

possible dlc content

[radiant vale]

yea i said this before and i just assume theyre gonna add it for the DLCs, it did include a bunch of pale type bugs

[hollow spear]

Yeah he was really busy bonding with THK in the White Palace's garden LMAO

[dapper willow]

Give me the funny tentacle faced old guy now TC

[naive crag]

hornets memory of wl happens at the white palace

thats where hk lived

[maiden meteor]

“I love my wife and my kid”
“I love my daddy-“
*Miguel from Spiderverse sound effect plays*

[dapper willow]

Wait
They are spiders too
So the whole game is a canon event

[radiant vale]

it could've been after HK was sealed and hornet was born

im not really sure tho since theres no info about that

[lime nova]

Hey guys! Finally beat the true ending so I can go here now lol. Are there any spoiler restrictions on this channel?

[serene belfry]

ngl just in terms of like buildup and bossfights sealed vessel and radiance takes by a mile but it was worth it seeing the knight at the end, i also wonder why the void is always depicted as a watery substance reminds me of the deep in ds3

[rain wind]

Nope.

[lime nova]

Yippee

[hollow spear]

I mean the Wyrm did foresaw his kingdom's demise so

[lime nova]

I definitely think HK has a better story, and prefer its more nuanced and open ended storytelling to Silksong, which basically just tells you everything, but still, holy crap this was great

[serene belfry]

i was looking out for any references to the base game from the beginning and when there were none i got dissapointed and concluded they just made a new game in the same setting but don't want to continue the story of hallownest anymore then the red memory sequence happened

[radiant vale]

void being liquidy is probably just showing that its malleable, thus the "Void given focus" exists

i still enjoyed pure vessel alot as a fight

[dapper willow]

It doesn't tell us enough

[naive crag]

we know all we need to know

[dapper willow]

We need to know MORE

[naive crag]

hollow knight was way more vague

they had to give us bardoon

[serene belfry]

also like the "vessel" motif that is played during lost kin, sealed vessel and birthplace which never resolves until dream no more ending where the void is at peace and just listening to that in the ending is so peak

also hk just feels more weighty as a character/boss than the two finals in this game

[dapper willow]

And I like silksong because its less vague

[hollow spear]

Actually Hollow Knight was a character of the game I'm not getting what you're talking about/j

[naive crag]

i don't like the true last boss at all

[lime nova]

HK's story is just too good. There's very little with Silksong that's gonna make me tear up or want to know more

[radiant vale]

it could've been better

[naive crag]

lost lace cant compare to radiance

[lime nova]

Lost Lace didn't feel climactic at all, yeah

[serene belfry]

also nothing in the game compares to the birthplace climb red memory came a bit close but not as much feels

[naive crag]

fighting radiance for the first time and you had to climb with the void kin

is better than lace being emo

[lime nova]

Agreed again

[dapper willow]

I liked saving her though
And when mother silk gives her power to us to escape

Its excelent

Its not as dramatic as the original hollow knight though

[serene belfry]

yea then bro vessel pulls up and cracks the radiance open like a pringles can

[hollow spear]

I think that's because as a story Hollow Knight is really more touching and melancholic than Silksong

[lime nova]

This game is amazing gameplay wise, but it's a shame it doesn't reach the story or spectacle highs of the original

[serene belfry]

it sounds weird to say cause its obv a sequel but the best things about the true endings were the stuff that had to do with og hk

[hollow spear]

this scene is just so fucking good

[serene belfry]

the whole grandmother silk and lace plot is kinda weak for me compared to the void and vessels

[naive crag]

i like the weavers lore

[lime nova]

Silk and Lace don't have too much going on character wise, yeah

[serene belfry]

yea fr which is ironic considering in that game our char is SUPPOSEDLY basically a machine and doesnt talk at all

[naive crag]

but as singular characters theyre not that good

[radiant vale]

i wont call it inherently worse, but it is for a more casual audience as you can tell

[hollow spear]

One of the most powerful lines of dialogue in SS is Hornet talking about the sacrifices she saw and this just hits hard because of Hollow Knight xD Is kind funny

[radiant vale]

atleast with the story basically handfeeding you information about the it