sk-lore

[teal shell]

their shell is ultimately a shell, they can live without it as most do

[limpid summit]

Tbf that’s not lore that’s agenda

[deft dragon]

it was his afterglow that attracted them

[whole juniper]

it beat his kingdom

[obsidian quail]

that isn’t beating him

he still managed to seal her ass in THK

[ionic helm]

i played hollow knight and got the sneaking suspicion that the radiance destroyed hallownest and killed him but maybe im wrong

[coarse sapphire]

Grand Mother Silk is stronger than Radiance because she can deal 3 masks of damage instead of 2

[deft dragon]

we're upscaling pale king in this house

[whole juniper]

my question still stands about why he specially had kids with the white lady

[obsidian quail]

she’s just tricky

[teal shell]

because theyre both strong

[whole juniper]

Yeah… that’s why I said his kingdom

[obsidian quail]

she didn’t kill him just infected all the bugs

[solid elk]

Genuinely, I don't think sex is needed for higher beings. I say this because White Lady is a Root, which is probably not something you physically impregnate so much as 'fertilize'

[limpid summit]

The only thing we can 100% affirm is that PK thought that going into the dream realm somehow and beating Radiance was risky enough not to do it

[naive crag]

its heavily implied the void is what killed pk no?

[ionic helm]

he died in hiding that counts as starving him out

[deft dragon]

pale king had to get creative

[limpid summit]

However even if he had like a 90% chance to win he wouldn’t take it cause he wanted to rule eternally

[whole juniper]

I guess it depends if you’re a tree

[obsidian quail]

what

[teal shell]

white lady laid an egg

[solid elk]

When in the world did we start doing 3 masks of damage????

[limpid summit]

Ehh

[obsidian quail]

yeah could just be sharing dna and then laying eggs

[deft dragon]

what is this? pk slander?

[limpid summit]

He’s very bright naturally and doesn’t have the void leaking eyes

[coarse sapphire]

Actually Pale King's plan was a failure so he teleported his palace into a dream realm and killed himself out of shame

[ionic helm]

she killed him indirectly by forcing him to fuck off into the dream world

[whole juniper]

He wasn’t forced to do that

[teal shell]

uh no

[obsidian quail]

that doesn’t make radiance stronger and didn’t force him

[foggy fractal]

pokemon evolution line ahh enemies 😭

[gaunt anchor]

does anyone know all the steel soul like additions

[teal shell]

the hollow knight was containing the radiance for a good while

[deft dragon]

he was trying to control the void to kill radiance. look at what happened to pharloom when you use void in an uncontrolled manner

[trim lark]

summoned saviour is 1 of em

[limpid summit]

New questline with new boss

[deft dragon]

unknown amount of time

[ionic helm]

tbf i was just joking about the powerscaling thing but that DOES mean that she beat him

[deft dragon]

hallownest could have had one weekend of rest lwk

[gaunt anchor]

does everything still do 2x dmg in steel soul or does everything do 1 dmg

[teal shell]

probably long enough for society to crumble

[obsidian quail]

she isn’t more powerful than PK she just is hard to deal with

[trim lark]

the infection was contained long enough for them to build the statues in city of tears depicting thk and the dreamers

[coarse sapphire]

Bro literally built his palace right above the abyss

[teal shell]

radiance isnt strong herself she just cant be reached

[whole juniper]

they can’t beat each other they are both in different realms and I don’t think the radiance is capable of entering pks mind

[teal shell]

thise couldve been built beforehand tbf

[deft dragon]

yeah... real smart move by pk

[naive crag]

even with access to the dream realm we can only reach her because shes contained in the vessel and cant escape from it

[ionic helm]

what was bro thinking fr

[whole juniper]

it was so he could research void

[obsidian quail]

PK sealed radiance in the first place

[ionic helm]

yeah but his palace though?

[deft dragon]

yall think the weavers were researching the void?

[obsidian quail]

once his perfect vessel plan failed he knew it was cooked

[whole juniper]

so he could have the comfort of a palace when he wants to study for his void exams

[deft dragon]

obvious question is obvious. obviously

[teal shell]

godhome is the only way to kill the radiance directly and thats because they attune to her (iirc), the knight just drags her into the abyss otherwise, its 2 different ways of murder

[ionic helm]

theres a weaver nest in the abyss

so

[fading whale]

Guys please someone tell me what happens to pilby after he goes to pilgrim's rest if you keep him alive and not ran over by the skull tyrant, I can't find info online and nobody's answering

[solid elk]

Well, maybe she is doing the dirty then. Can't argue with that

[teal shell]

the hollow knight was also always doomed to fail

[deft dragon]

so then why werent they corrupted by the void?

[coarse sapphire]

So the buzzsaws are there just in case Radiance pays him a visit /s

[ionic helm]

cooler and smarter and funnier

[naive crag]

he dies in chapter 3

[solid elk]

Where in the world is that first one? I've never seen it

[limpid summit]

Void doesn’t naturally corrupt

[whole juniper]

if the radiance could enter the palace dream realm it would have destroyed him

[limpid summit]

It does “speak” to you and kill you due to overexposure naturally

[fading whale]

When the pilgrim's rest gets destroyed? Doesn't that happen before chapter 3?

[limpid summit]

But the weavers probably had soul/light stuff that negates the worst of it

[teal shell]

the void can be controlled in some sense, the kings soldiers are void creatures and dont seem too evil

[deft dragon]

the knight as a void being came to save hornet of their own accord. i guess that means pure void doesnt make you empty like the vessels were meant to be

[foggy fractal]

its in a room in blasted steps but they run off and you have to play the needolin for a while for them to resurface

[fading whale]

Okay so it's actually a better ending that he at least gets a funeral

[whole juniper]

Seems like it can when it wants to

[solid elk]

To be fair, it would have been less disastrous if GMS wasn't making quakes as she resisted

[obsidian quail]

it was the void plus silk

special case

[deft dragon]

special case being one of two cases

[teal shell]

the hollow knight shows emotion/curiosity as a young vessel, the knight itself only reaches the void heart because of its own will and curiosity, the vessels have clear emotions

[crisp basalt]

Void Naturally Seeks to consume Soul, everything else happens as side effect basically

[obsidian quail]

everything we saw is what happens when void meets silk

[deft dragon]

maybe being part pale being maintains some level of control

[teal shell]

the hollow knight had it drilled in that it was some emotionless rock made to contain some being, so it seen itself as such, the hollow knight was never a pure vessel

[solid elk]

The Knight also has literally emotional attachments to people, as shown by its decision to only offer the flowers to certain NPCs

[obsidian quail]

generally it seems void hollows u out or kills u

[coarse sapphire]

I dont think an empty husk would open a bank account

[whole juniper]

seems like they have to learn emotions maybe cause we only see emotion from lost kin and hollow knight right

[teal shell]

they are children

[naive crag]

or by it saving hornet AND lace

[deft dragon]

pure vessel best HK boss

[trim lark]

the void straight up lashes out at anything with soul

[fading whale]

Yeah but to be fair silk is just soul, and the lighthouse in hollow knight shows that soul can be used to calm and keep the void at bay

[teal shell]

the vessels are children

[solid elk]

Only one Nailmaster was deemed worthy by the Knight to receive a flower, and it wasn't Sheo, so the Knight has bad taste in people

[obsidian quail]

we see Vessels and corpses from Void, no one was corrupted in HK, it’s the silk medium

[whole juniper]

they still would have basic emotions

[limpid summit]

Void is malleable and is shown to take imprints that are either molded by soul or already existing minds of bugs. Perhaps imprinting upon powerful fetuses with potential to grow created void beings with autonomy

[teal shell]

they were born in the abyss with no structure, left to survive on their own, they are naturally curious and have will like children

[obsidian quail]

the silk was already twisting their minds and then it got voidified

[limpid summit]

Cause there was no baseline for how they should act

[deft dragon]

the lighthouse guards were influenced by the void to turn off the lamp

[coarse sapphire]

So the abyss is one giant underground ocean

[teal shell]

yes

[whole juniper]

idk if it’s a ocean

[obsidian quail]

would u call that corruption in the same sense of silksong

[fading whale]

Oh yeah no I'm not discrediting the fact that void alone wouldn't do to bugs what we see in silksong. I mean we see void infested bugs like the guy with the love key in hollow knight and he's just dead, not a monster

[teal shell]

as far as we know it just spans across the whole workd

[obsidian quail]

just where the void resides

[deft dragon]

its a level of corruption. the silk may have amplified it, but yeah

[whole juniper]

doesn’t it eat away at everything it touches

[teal shell]

the abyss is like the minecraft nether

[limpid summit]

Sort of it was the mix of void and silk that animated the corrupted bugs while void corruption would usually just kill you

[solid elk]

The Abyss is weirdly inhabited by more things than I expected, albeit like 4 different enemies

[deft dragon]

real question is why is void depicted as a liquid?

[naive crag]

so are you gonna explain

[teal shell]

it only eats away at things that disturb it

[obsidian quail]

it exists as solid liquid or gas

[teal shell]

the void seems pretty chill when nothings going for it

[deft dragon]

what is there to explain

[whole juniper]

So like a rock falling into a void lake would that count

[teal shell]

its under the world innit

[naive crag]

ohhh i was wondering how you reached that conclusion

[teal shell]

no like another being tampering with it, the void is a living being in a sense

[naive crag]

but youre just creative like that

[fading whale]

Don't think so, considering the void statue that gives shade dash in hollow knight, that has void liquid pouring out of it and it's not being erased or swallowed

[teal shell]

nah the abyss has fast travel too

[deft dragon]

you dont see the obvious visual similarities?

they're practically the same place

[teal shell]

basalt wastes from the nether looks like the abyss with lava

[whole juniper]

True

[deft dragon]

hold on

[teal shell]

seemingly uninhabited lands with previous societies showing presence with basic lifeforms

[deft dragon]

we find arcane eggs in both hallownest and pharloom

[teal shell]

the abyss is the nether

[whole juniper]

was the same void peoples stuff found in hk found in ss abyss

[limpid summit]

The wanderers journal lady says something about Ancient Basin roads being carved extremely precisely we can guess void did that

[fading whale]

Void is more of a force of nature, the opposite of life and light. However that does not mean it is death.

[deft dragon]

does that mean the ancient bugs extended hella far?

[limpid summit]

Yes

[obsidian quail]

yeah they got around

[whole juniper]

The opposite of life is death so

[obsidian quail]

i want a game with them please TC

[fading whale]

The opposite of life isn't death, it's the lack of cohesion and existence as a whole

[obsidian quail]

what

[teal shell]

see this implies the abyss is smaller than the above world, it is just the nether

[whole juniper]

depends how you use the word life

[deft dragon]

void is just an absence of anything

[limber anvil]

I'm so glad people who think ending 1 and 2 from hollowknight are wrong

[deft dragon]

void just wants to consume everything and make it nothing. life, death, whatever

[fading whale]

I mean clearly not since it literally has eyes on the tendrils and manifests in specific forms

[teal shell]

team cherry plagiarised the minecraft nether get them

[fading whale]

It's not the absence of everything either

[deft dragon]

its all in your head

[obsidian quail]

it’s called liquid nothing

[deft dragon]

just an illusion

[coarse sapphire]

I think void is chaos

[obsidian quail]

and Lace says oblivion

[teal shell]

if the void is chaos then naturally soul is order but idk if thst lines up

[limber anvil]

Its regret death and disorder which makes the shade Lord terrifying

[obsidian quail]

how is void chaos, it’s generally just existing as nothing unless someone smacks it like a beehive

[whole juniper]

or it just doesn’t have some special concept connected to it and is just nothingness

[fading whale]

It's entropy basically, life can't exist if everything is a chaotic soup, but a chaotic soup isn't the lack of everything

[sinful nimbus]

Void is not literally nothing but that is its thematic connotation

[teal shell]

the void is chaotic, it may not be chaos itself

[deft dragon]

i dont think void directly opposed soul. it opposes everything, dreams, soul, life

[fading whale]

Then there wouldn't be a difference between an empty cup and a cup of void, but there clearly is

[limber anvil]

And chaos/entropy gives life its meaning and also means death

[obsidian quail]

entropy is frequently associated with death

[sinful nimbus]

This makes little sense

[teal shell]

yeah no im not defining it theyre just saying void is chaos but for that to make sense soul would habe to be order most likely

[whole juniper]

what starpengu said above

[obsidian quail]

it’s an eldritch substance of whatever the fuck

[deft dragon]

if its pure chaos then what does giving it form and focus mean?

[limber anvil]

Then you don't understand physics

[whole juniper]

the opposite of void is soul?

[teal shell]

probably yeah

[sinful nimbus]

The meaning of life is not a physical concept

It is a philosophical one

[limber anvil]

Life can exist due to entropy and entropy also leads to death

[naive crag]

isnt the opposite of void the light

[teal shell]

i mean if the void had any “opposite” itd probably be soul, but im not gonna outright say thats true

[obsidian quail]

and chaos and entropy aren’t really the same

[coarse sapphire]

Isn't soul in hollow knight just life energy?

[naive crag]

the lighthouse the everbloom etc

[obsidian quail]

if ur talking about physics

[whole juniper]

what if it was pale being the opposite of void

[teal shell]

soul seems pretty connected to light tbf

[sinful nimbus]

Sure but that's not really what the meaning of life means

[whole juniper]

like pale beings things of that realm? They’ve never been good to each other

[obsidian quail]

it seems that way

[teal shell]

but anyway the abyss is the minecraft nether and its the only thing that makes sense

[naive crag]

shamans work with soul and void at the same time sort ooof

[limber anvil]

Entropy gives life its time limit which its meaning stems from

[deft dragon]

lowkey

[sinful nimbus]

Why does the time limit give it meaning

Does something need to be transient to be meaningful?

[deft dragon]

when hornet got the pale flower from her dream the snail shamans all died

[solid elk]

Void attacks Soul like explicitly, so it is almost more like a kind of microbial mass that eats anything organic

[spark valve]

'meaning' is not in the domain of physics

[teal shell]

they chill like that🤙🤙

[deft dragon]

does that make them void?

[whole juniper]

I’m not sure how the knight would have soul but still void if they were opposing substances

[obsidian quail]

ur waxing philosophy 101 but what does that have to do with the Void in HK

[fading whale]

Pale king says the void is the power opposed.

We can assume opposed to his own. What is his own power? Well, a lot of things, but personally in this context it seems to me like he's talking about his power of giving individuality and higher consciousness to bugs. The void is the opposite of that, it is a pure primal force completely opposite to higher thought, will or individuality.

[limber anvil]

Our life spans is what makes us appreciate life

[naive crag]

ok and

[solid elk]

Isn't it Essence that is explicitly connected to Light and Dreams?

[obsidian quail]

he’s saying the darkness opposed to his light

[whole juniper]

This makes sense

[deft dragon]

we're talking abt a bug game btw

[naive crag]

why would a phylosophical concept apply to the void

[sinful nimbus]

Life would be better if I could live as long as I want, however

[obsidian quail]

that’s why radiance also calls void ancient enemy

[limber anvil]

True

[whole juniper]

that’s literally the same thing as his light gave higher thought

[limpid summit]

Meaning of life discussion 💔

[limber anvil]

I call you a fool

[sinful nimbus]

Why

[obsidian quail]

radiance doesn’t do that

[sinful nimbus]

I cannot see all that I want to see because of my lifespan

[whole juniper]

because the pale kings light is the pale kings light

[obsidian quail]

they are beings of light and void is darkness

[limber anvil]

Immortality is a curse unless you can decide to end it
Unless that is what you mean

[teal shell]

theres an ancient piglin society with remnants found in the nether like the ancient society you can find remnantd of in the abyss, the nether is seemingly dead and deserted but still has some form of life left in it, the nether is below the world. therefor the minecraft nether is the hollow knight abyss

[naive crag]

essence is made of light

[whole juniper]

the radiance doesn’t have the pk light

[sinful nimbus]

I did not say anything about immortality

[solid elk]

Tbh, you don't suddenly stop appreciating life if you become immortal. You don't lack things to appreciate even with an indefinite lifespan, as most peopoe literally enjoy doing a lot of the same every day

[obsidian quail]

yes but they both say how void is opposed to them, because they are light associated and the void is darkness

[naive crag]

tbh what does the meaning and value of life have to do with silksong

we lost the plot

[obsidian quail]

idk what is even going on

[sinful nimbus]

Immortality would be bad if you had no way out yes but that does not mean the meaning of life ties to its transience

[fading whale]

Okay and what does his light mean in this concept? Tbh he was probably speaking about higher beings light in general including the radiance. And that's kind of what she does too, she gives dreams and she gives will, just not individually, only in a collective kind of hivemend. However the void isn't even that. It lacks even THAT sort of cohesion and thought, that's why it's opposed to light and life as the pale king defines it

[deft dragon]

who knows 😭

[limber anvil]

True but if we all started with an infinite lifespan then its unlikely one will learn to appriciate life.

[teal shell]

your all wrong and im actually on the team cherry payroll and stole this straight from the files

[whole juniper]

so I suppose it works both ways then

[sinful nimbus]

Why not?

[solid elk]

This is what happens with minimal moderation

[queen patrol]

hornet is immortal and clearly values life quite heavily 👍

[deft dragon]

hollow knight is just a minecraft clone ngl

[solid elk]

No....

[obsidian quail]

this is ur headcanon but i appreciate ur thematic thoughts

[whole juniper]

Maybe not immortal

[coarse sapphire]

Ok but arcane eggs arent literally eggs thats just a piece of stone and there are universal things every civilization makes despite never meeting each other

[teal shell]

facts

[sinful nimbus]

If I could see all the sights for as long as I want life would be far better, and the lives of people who cherish me would also be better since I would not die as fast

[queen patrol]

ageless, anyway

[coarse sapphire]

Carving info on a stone isn't rocket science

[teal shell]

theyre a form of storage for literature or messages that look like eggs

[whole juniper]

Arcane eggs were made by the void people so it seems they were extremely huge…

[teal shell]

its not carved onto them its contained almost data

[bleak mauve]

anyone knows who the one Hornet once mated with?

[teal shell]

ME

[obsidian quail]

this one bug

[deft dragon]

im guessing sly

[whole juniper]

why

[teal shell]

shiiit i see her vision

[naive crag]

man ill just do all the shit i want

[fading whale]

Yeah of course this is all my interpretation but it's just as good as any it's not like there is any concrete evidence here , we know some things that have happened and it's all statements from in-universe characters so it really is all up to interpretation and that's what makes storytelling like this so good

[deft dragon]

everyone loves a short king

[teal shell]

if i was immortal itd make me appreciate life more but thats just me me

[whole juniper]

so we have to get it later 🤔

[coarse sapphire]

Well how does that even work lol

[obsidian quail]

i don’t like how the void was depicted to be some monstrous devouring thing when it was impassive existence in the first game

[naive crag]

pk is short and a king and i hate him

[solid elk]

Hornet also has friends and presumably hobbies (she is good at gambling, somehow)

[whole juniper]

yeah agreed

[teal shell]

like most thing in hollow knight, we dont know

[deft dragon]

he was an average height king

[solid elk]

Hornet running a Pilgrim's pockets in Blasted Steps is the most raw thing

[teal shell]

the world is meant to exist beyond what we see, we dont need to know everything

[sinful nimbus]

The one named Eternal One is advocating for impermanence. They guide others to a treasure they cannot possess 😔

[obsidian quail]

okay but we know Radiance and PK are Light creatures, we know Void is Darkness, we know the Everbloom has the First Light which can counter the Void, it’s pretty clear the opposition here is Light and Darkness

[solid elk]

I mean.....Shade Lord

[pseudo lily]

Hey PK is epic and cool

[teal shell]

the pale king was average for wyrms okay, stop shaming him, next your gonna say the vessels are tubby🙄

[naive crag]

worst character

[deft dragon]

the void is formless, and what little form it does have it uses to make tendrils to attack things of soul. you guys still with me?

[queen idol]

yeah im confused about how the void suddenly decided to be passive and the knight was there like why wasnt he just there earlier why was the void like hostile for so long

[sinful nimbus]

PK is the goat

[spark valve]

the knight is lazy

[whole juniper]

Maybe even above average

[queen patrol]

pk actively chose to become a manlet when he reincarnated

[sinful nimbus]

How can you see Grand Mother Silk and decide PK is the worst character smh

[teal shell]

knight was slacking that day

[obsidian quail]

outside of the Knight

[deft dragon]

then the vessels give it form and focus, allowing it to rise up into godhome to destroy the radiance

[solid elk]

The Knigjt may not have awareness of everywhere all at once

[teal shell]

knight was getting a caramel latte and forgot to check up on its tendrils

[queen idol]

honestly after seeing pharloom the pale king was not really doing that bad of a job

[teal shell]

pale king was kinda a goat

[sinful nimbus]

There is no satisfying answer other than bad writing unfortunately

[teal shell]

oh brother

[deft dragon]

i mean, the knight can control the void, just not all of it. otherwise the void in pharloom wouldnt attack hornet

[whole juniper]

it was the queen of pharloom so clearly something bad happened to her after she made a whole kingdom that seemed actually kinda nice

[naive crag]

yourr acting like lurien now

[solid elk]

It tries to kill the Knight too before you get the Voidheart.

[coarse sapphire]

Free public transport

[sinful nimbus]

She didn't make the kingdom (And also the kingdom sucks)

[spark valve]

she didn't build the society that's curretnly there but that society is also utterly monstrous

[deft dragon]

top tier pk glazer

[teal shell]

did pale king like do anything actually evil

[obsidian quail]

yeah it was reactionary when in proximity but wasn’t going out of its way to just consume everything, it just existed

[teal shell]

other than establish a monarchy

[fading whale]

Yeah of course, and we see light creatures giving thought and higher function to bugs, and we also literally see the void taking that away, and void killed bugs saying shit like "I'm finally free (from having higher thought)

The higher beings are the light of civilization, the pale king with emphasis on individuality while the radiance has an emphasis on the collective.

The void is the lack of those things, it is the return to the primal darkness that is the lack of civilisation

[naive crag]

child genocide?

[deft dragon]

he made the vessels. somewhat unethical

[pseudo lily]

Besides the infanticide? No, not really.

[sinful nimbus]

It wasn't genocide

[whole juniper]

She’s the monarch of the kingdom… does that mean she ruled it and made it(not herself but like bugs in her kingdom)

[teal shell]

eh he thought thst they didnt have minds

[sinful nimbus]

The vessel project was as trolley problem where he took the lesser evil

[fading whale]

Godmaster ending begs to differ

[coarse sapphire]

What do you mean he made a tram that connects to deepnest and another (failed) tram from deepnest into even deeper deepnest

[obsidian quail]

this is all ur opinion but i respect ur thoughts

[spark valve]

the vessels were a necessary evil it's not like he did that for shits and giggles

[deft dragon]

they definitely did have minds before being consumed by the void

[obsidian quail]

that’s the Knight

i’m talking about outside of the Knight

[teal shell]

well he did it for the vine okau

[deft dragon]

he got to bang the white lady. he got something out of it

[teal shell]

we all do stuff for the vine its okay

[bleak mauve]

what excatly is Greyroot? Is she alien?

[lapis geode]

What is Grand Mother silk then?
The "capitalism"?

[sinful nimbus]

The Citadel and by extension most of the kingdom was created by the weavers and then seized by the conductors and then later seized by GMS

[lapis geode]

...wait, GMS is outsider?

[solid elk]

I mean, if you bring it to the surface and give it a ton of soul to attack, it just might.

The void appropriating the silk is proof of that. Like how Necrotic Bacteria usually stay in their lane, but they literally can slaughter populations if brought where they shouldn't be

[whole juniper]

how would gms have some giant own resting spot in the same architecture as the citadel then

[queen idol]

well actually it makes sense because in hk the void is called "power without unity" and the knight later on is called "the shade lord" and he uses focus to like control and unify the void as seen in some endings so I guess we lowkey just got lucky with the knight finding us

[sinful nimbus]

No

[teal shell]

the chad geopilled hallownest vs the virgin rosary chud pharloom

[fading whale]

And your opinion is what, cause I'm trying to understand, like okay you don't agree with my interpretation but you do say it's light Vs dark. Sure, what does light and dark mean to you like are you talking about literally brightness levels here

[sinful nimbus]

It was built to seal her

[deft dragon]

not always, beings like shakra's clan and the ants were kinda smart before their higher beings arrived

[lapis geode]

...why?

[sinful nimbus]

Weavers didn't like her for one reason or another

[solid elk]

Didn't the PK colonize the Moth native territories from the Moth Tribe?

[sinful nimbus]

"You speak of the Citadel? Its former function has failed, but I can still sense its purpose, some. It is church and cage both."

[pastel lodge]

How does hornet break the seal so effortlessly then

[whole juniper]

how did they make something to seal her if she haunted them

[sinful nimbus]

Haunting is recent

[spark valve]

she did that later

pharloom exists and shit is fine
grand mother silk shows up and creates the weavers as her 'daughters'
weavers decide they don't really like the situation, some of them flee. GMS then makes Lace and Phantom as new daughters.
Remaining weavers trap her and put her to sleep, building the citadel to keep her that way
weavers start to fade away, presumably because they have trouble reproducing
Citadel caste takes over, seizing power from weavers and continuing to using the citadel's song to keep the mother silk asleep while not entirely aware of what they're doing
citadel bugs eventually start using silk to attempt to attain immortality by surgically implanting it in their shells, eventually causing many of their minds to succumb to the grand mother silk, leading to the citadel being silenced.
She starts waking up, causing the haunting to take over pharloom at large, and sends hunting parties out to track down the descendants of weavers who fled including hornet, to gather their silk. This is probably to sustain Lace, who requires a large amount of silk to stay alive
Hornet is captured and brought to Pharloom, but Lace breaks her out because Lace is a rebellious little shit who wants hornet to fuck shit up so she has a chance to get back at her mom

[whole juniper]

Ah

[deft dragon]

lil pale fly touched it

[teal shell]

i think community is what makes bugs “sentient”, the pale king just attracted a large amount of bugs to one localised area and granted them a society, it explains how places like deepnest or the mantis tribe could exist without a wyrms involvement

[pseudo lily]

It wasn't so much colonizing really. The moths sort of just started worshipping PK instead.

[sinful nimbus]

Well it was already weakening, the citadel went silent long ago so there was no more music to keep the sealing of GMS going

[whole juniper]

No they hunted the weavers

[fading whale]

Void bursts out into hallownest and presumably does some shit, is that still just the night or is it the void ? Remember, it is united under the knights will so was it his will to consume? Or did he just find himself at the steering wheel of an unstoppable force

[teal shell]

nah the moths just thought pk was cooler

[solid elk]

That sounds like propaganda

[lapis geode]

But that's silly!
Even PK that's made many ridiculous action, he still being worshipped and tolerated.
Why GMS being sealed by her own people because "we don't like how you manage the Pharloom"

Bruhh... she is not THAT bad of bad, y'know?
If we compared to PK that made millions of knights to become Pure vessel, GMS is not worse

[sinful nimbus]

Nah its what Seer says

[queen patrol]

my pov is pk TRIED to be a good person, but being an immortal god-king does kind of skew your morals a bit compared to the average person and his single-minded desperation to save his kingdom led him to making morally poor choices due to sunk cost fallacy and convincing himself the outcome justifies the means

[obsidian quail]

i don’t have an opinion, yours is interesting i’m just saying Light and Darkness are the powers opposed he’s referencing, what u feel he’s saying beyond that is ur opinion thematically and i do find it interesting

[whole juniper]

In a room in the cradle you can see the casualties they experienced hunting weavers throughout the world

[teal shell]

no one knew about the vessels

[sinful nimbus]

In HK something similar happened with the moths trying to kill Radiance

[obsidian quail]

that was Shade Lord bursting out

[deft dragon]

steering the wheel, cuz he had to show up to stop the void from killing hornet

[sinful nimbus]

PK was a well liked ruler GMS wasn't

[whole juniper]

couldn’t they leave if they didn’t like gms

[deft dragon]

this is all too complicated

[lapis geode]

But he also made many ridiculous attempt too. Still being worshipped..

[teal shell]

i think the void targetting lace and hornet is a purely reactionary response, its muscle memory, the knight can sense intrusion but needs to see it for themself

[sinful nimbus]

Many did

[teal shell]

what?

[coarse sapphire]

I like how Phantom isn't even relevant she just dies and Lace is chill with it

[deft dragon]

can we take a minute and talk about something more simple

[sinful nimbus]

That's why there are weavers all over the world like in Hallownest

[pastel lodge]

What's the difference between the Delicate flower and the Everbloom exactly?

[fading whale]

Yes I'm not saying higher beings are necessary for civilization, I know that's not true, I'm just saying that they do have the power to create it tho and the void is opposed to that level of organisation

[deft dragon]

nothing

[obsidian quail]

i’m here to make a case on why the Ancient Civilization bugs were voided out like the Vessels

[teal shell]

i think sherma is cool

[whole juniper]

The weavers fucked off so why would there still be a kingdom where gms is the monarch

[sinful nimbus]

But apparently some people like First Sinner just absolutely hated GMS and didn't just want to leave

[queen patrol]

sherma is so cool

[deft dragon]

we should all have a sherma mentality

[lapis geode]

My point is, it seems the weaver is less tolerable towards mistakes compared
to the Pale King.

[pastel lodge]

Let's talk about this guy's anatomy

[coarse sapphire]

Sherma is hands down the best character I like how he became the pope in act 3

[teal shell]

what mistakes did the pale king make that anyone wouldve known about

[lapis geode]

I just found the biggy one on the tower last night.

[sinful nimbus]

She lost control when she was sealed and regained it with the haunting much later

[deft dragon]

lets talk about how ass jim turned out to be ass jill

[naive crag]

i wonder if hornet has a pet

[teal shell]

no one knew of the vessels and how theyre all dead

[pseudo lily]

Bell beast is right there

[teal shell]

bell beast

[deft dragon]

i point you to the bell beast

[naive crag]

she mentions many times some bugs would make perfect pets

[teal shell]

bell beast and the beastlings

[fading whale]

The only thing I don't get about all this is how the hell is any amount of half breed or even less than half breed weaver silks even comparable to whatever gms herself can produce

[whole juniper]

So they wouldn’t have a reason to fuck off until they got tooken over and they can’t fuck off when they’re haunted

[teal shell]

we are the beastlings

[pastel lodge]

Why isn't the Everbloom so fragile then

[spark valve]

1: weavers get their silk from her originally
2: hornet is also half god

[pastel lodge]

I have many questions, maybe because I'm stupid- But I realy wanna know

[lapis geode]

She also mentions that the bell spider is fluffy and want to pet them

[deft dragon]

hornet isnt as clumsy ass the knight idk

[whole juniper]

I wonder why the weavers were hunted by pharloom though

[naive crag]

tbh we probably have this whole theory but it can just be videogame logic

[teal shell]

for their silk

[whole juniper]

That’s if herrah isn’t a god

[spark valve]

herrah is not a god

[obsidian quail]

herrah isn’t a god

[teal shell]

weavers are not gods

[obsidian quail]

are we all playing the same game guys

[whole juniper]

Gms was already the primary source tho why wouldn’t they

[spark valve]

people will just say anything

[pastel lodge]

Isn't PK a god

[teal shell]

herrah is just a fat weaver

[lapis geode]

...so GMS can produce silk naturally?
And the weaver isn't?

Then who makes the spool so they can carries the silk around?

[queen patrol]

hornet's love for soft animals leads me to believe she would have a crusty little fluffy dog were she a real person

[deft dragon]

herrah aint a god chief

[coarse sapphire]

Herrah is a very fat weaver

[obsidian quail]

yes

[deft dragon]

woah woah woah

[pastel lodge]

Herrah Body shaming is crazy

[spark valve]

weavers produce it she's the origin of that ability

[deft dragon]

she was looking mighty slim in that flashback

[pseudo lily]

The same reason Hornet can respawn after death. The rules of the story/lore can be bent a little for better gameplay.

[pastel lodge]

So technically hornet IS half god right?

[lapis geode]

Ahhhh... I see.

[obsidian quail]

yes

[teal shell]

pk is as close to a god that we see outside of the nightmare heart and radiance

[whole juniper]

Why did they need more silk from hornet if gms made more than enough

[deft dragon]

yeah

[teal shell]

hornet would be a demi god

[spark valve]

gms doesn't make enough apparently

[lapis geode]

Maybe they want more?

[fading whale]

She also showed interest in the bossgrubs, if it weren't for their pesky spines. And also she explicitly states that frozen butterfly thing in mount fay would make a good pet if it could live in non freezing temps

[deft dragon]

wyrm+weaver

[whole juniper]

They want more than more than enough?

[sinful nimbus]

From my knowledge the timeline of this would go:

First a few weavers left Pharloom

Then the remaining weavers sealed her and established the citadel

Then the Conductors seized control of the Citadel

Then the conductors started implanting Silk into bugs for longevity

Then the Citadel goes silent

Then the Haunting occurs as a result of the last 2 events

[deft dragon]

dude just use this

[whole juniper]

So the silk implanted bugs hunted the weavers somewhere in between that stuff to get more longevity?

[coarse sapphire]

What does going silent mean

[lapis geode]

Anyway, what classify as "higher being" in HK universe?
We got Unn, that mushroom, Grimm Heart, Wyrm, a weaving giant spider...

What about the pigeon on Mount Fay?

[teal shell]

what if global warming is the reason the coral ocean dried up

[spark valve]

the citadel is supposed to make music
it stopped

[fading whale]

Exactly, they got it from her so how could they provide any significant amount to help sustain lace compared to gms herself. Like can she not produce enough silk on her own? She has covered the entire kingdom in it

[obsidian quail]

no they did it for gms

[naive crag]

here w go again

[sinful nimbus]

It seems that happened after the haunting, while GMS was scrounging up any silk she could find for her daughter Lace

[obsidian quail]

guess not

[whole juniper]

ok what does she need silk for

[deft dragon]

so wait

[spark valve]

wouldn't be the first time a god has lost some of their power

[whole juniper]

ohhh

[sinful nimbus]

Deities

[obsidian quail]

for lace

[coarse sapphire]

What about the weaver shrines where Hornet gets power ups?

[lapis geode]

Maybe because she can't control her spending habits, she
just wants more?

[whole juniper]

the huge ball of silk she sleeps in 💔

[deft dragon]

the citadel sends bugs out to get hornet to extend their lives? but then they get haunted? do you think the haunting started after the bugs went out to get her

[whole juniper]

why didn’t lace just eat that silk

[obsidian quail]

who knows

just go with it

[whole juniper]

maybe she was allergic…

[lapis geode]

It's dirty bruhh....
What kind of girl wants to eat a silk, that being used as pillow??

[whole juniper]

Fair fair

[naive crag]

theres some weavers that were brought in before hornet and their cages are at the cradle

[sinful nimbus]

They aren't trying to extend their lives they are working for GMS

[whole juniper]

I also prefer my silk straight from the source

[teal shell]

it could just be an output thing, she basically gave out fragments of her power and wanted it back.
sustaining both her own and laces existence takes alot more silk than she was able to output

[whole juniper]

No some of them did do that to extend their lives

[deft dragon]

cant wait for mossbags video on all of this

[coarse sapphire]

Isn't that just fancy cannibalism

[obsidian quail]

probably what it was

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but I doubt its the reason they captured Hornet

All captured weavers end up in the cradle

[naive crag]

i dread that moment

[whole juniper]

Yeah it was probably for lace

[fading whale]

Yep, and it seems like they were brought from least part weaver to most, as hornet is half weaver and she was the latest attempt so they were like working their way up cause they were seeing how many men they were losing to even the 1/8th and 1/4th weavers fighting back

[lapis geode]

WAIT.
Isn't Lace quite small? Why her existence become a burden?

I mean, if she creates silk-being as big as her then I understand the lack of silk.

[naive crag]

his theories are interesting but everyone treats them as factual

[teal shell]

size doesnt mean anything

[lapis geode]

Small is still small.

[obsidian quail]

it ain’t easy being full silk

[spark valve]

regardless of lace's size she explicitly needs a large amount of silk to be sustained

[deft dragon]

maybe silk was used for lots of things in pharloom. longevity, keeping gms locked up, and maintaining lace

[sinful nimbus]

mossbag makes one video saying Hornet isn't void and suddenly the entire community personally attacks you if you say that she obviously is 🙄

[teal shell]

its the fact lace is functionally her own being who needs probably just as much silk as gms needs for herself

[sinful nimbus]

Sheeple

[fading whale]

It just seems weird to me that gms can't make whatever amount that is

[glass fjord]

silksong is a bad game

[teal shell]

its not a size thing people

[sinful nimbus]

Spit yo facts

[whole juniper]

Why wouldn’t the weavers seal lace with gms?

[obsidian quail]

the Ancient Civilization were Void and who’s gonna stop me from saying that

[pseudo lily]

You're right except mossbag made a video saying she isnt.

[deft dragon]

leave

[lapis geode]

Anyway, is anyone know what kind of protein that spiders need
in order to create enough silk?

[gaunt kraken]

Just wrapped up the life-blood-ification of the Worm Ways, and it really makes me wonder if this is why Lifeblood was seen as taboo in Hallownest. When left unchecked, it completely overruns an area, almost mirroring the Radiance’s infection, something Hornet even alludes to. It makes me curious whether her line is actually a reference to Lifeblood itself as it was in hallownest rather than just the infection

[teal shell]

its not a hard concept to grasp that its not a size thing

[sinful nimbus]

Typo whoops

[spark valve]

condemned to the underworks

[obsidian quail]

Ancient Civilization solos all these new age nerds

[deft dragon]

no. send them to the slab

[fading whale]

The law

[teal shell]

we lockin starpengu in bilehaven

[pseudo lily]

More unpaid overtime for you

[sinful nimbus]

Ancient Civ were too busy killing themselves apparently

[whole juniper]

They theoretically spanned anywhere there was void

[coarse sapphire]

Bilewater

[sinful nimbus]

TC ripping off Rain World lore

[deft dragon]

ok they arent THAT bad

[teal shell]

team cherry ripping off minecraft lore

[lapis geode]

My head canon is that Void is basically OIL.
It's literally anywhere in earth. You just need to dig deep enough.

It's also plenty

[queen patrol]

don't tell the us military about that

[pseudo lily]

Next HK game features the United States of America

[deft dragon]

nah, we'd see more america references in pharloom then

[teal shell]

oil is not plentiful

[obsidian quail]

i need some facts that they were killing themselves with Void, because we know their ruin came from some other unknown factor

[gaunt kraken]

Also does anyone else wonder why there are so little lifeblood cucoons within the wormway despite the area being completely overrun?

[naive crag]

we should colonize the void

[whole juniper]

Saying it’s oil is very wrong but maybe it’s like oil in that sense

[teal shell]

british empire comes back solely to colonise the void

[obsidian quail]

give me some facts to counter my ancient civ were void agenda

[lapis geode]

For us? yes.
FOr bugs with that size?

[whole juniper]

Cause the guy keeps eating it for himself

[sinful nimbus]

there's a dialogue about how they yearn for the voids embrace and like want it to cleanse them or whatever

[gaunt kraken]

Also have you noticed how there are neither void tendrils nor void particles in the wormways? After life blood took over I mean

[spark valve]

might be a funerary rite or some shit

[teal shell]

the egg dialogue also mimics pale kings words about the pure vessel

[whole juniper]

Also how does the knight use lifeblood if it’s dead

[deft dragon]

oh i forgot abt the lifeblood creature

that things prolly a higher being too

[sinful nimbus]

Lifeblood coats the shell to protect from damage

[glass fjord]

If you can enjoy unnecessary double damage and pointless enemy gauntlets you need to leave

[whole juniper]

Ohhh

[teal shell]

abyss reacts differently to lifeblood, theres a big lifeblood abyssal creature in hk

[queen patrol]

the knight isn't dead, they're just not alive in the first place

[sinful nimbus]

They are undead

[teal shell]

krill issue

[whole juniper]

isn’t that found in godhome

[fading whale]

Countrpoint, they did go through the effort of creating a civilization, why didn't they just jump into the void ocean if that's all they wanted

[glass fjord]

original hollow knight is better tbh

[teal shell]

in bith

[sinful nimbus]

Don't forget bad contrived lore

[deft dragon]

i just dont suck at the game dude

[glass fjord]

huh

[teal shell]

lore channel btw

[whole juniper]

in what

[glass fjord]

Ah i see

[sinful nimbus]

Well I was joking

[teal shell]

its in godhome and in the abyss

[glass fjord]

Historically silksong is a bad game

[whole juniper]

Ahh

[teal shell]

bad bit

[glass fjord]

Huh

[teal shell]

huh

[whole juniper]

you’re just bad at playing it

[deft dragon]

dude get me a dream nail cuz i need to understand wth you're on about

[fading whale]

And he's been playing from 4 hours straight apparently

He's just malding

[lapis geode]

Ancient Civ is very similar to The Ancient from Rain world.
They use the void as fluid, basically have their own oil rigs, more intelligence....

They also vanish before the player enter the story.

[foggy fractal]

this is what they call a "skill issue" or smth idk
silksong is def tough and maybe bs sometimes but its not impossible to push through

[sinful nimbus]

We don't need to immediately attack a strawman about difficulty

[lapis geode]

Wait...
EVEN THE NAME IS THE SAME LMAOO

[sinful nimbus]

I think its fair to say that the game has some balance issues

[foggy fractal]

yes

[gaunt anchor]

i know its ragebait , so why am i so angry

[teal shell]

its the lore channel so i dont think gameplay matters

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[whole juniper]

God I honestly think rain worlds world and backstory is better than hks

[teal shell]

game being le hard is cool but “ss-lore”

[fading whale]

Maybe we can talk about the lore as to why touching a fat fly does the same damage as touching pure vessel

[deft dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[sinful nimbus]

The ancients are a different group then the benefactors 🤓

[gaunt anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-kni-hollow-knight-silksong-today-silksong-today-gif-2181970622836399486

[foggy fractal]

yes lets talk about lore again what we thinking ?

[lapis geode]

SAMMEEEEE
Rain world may have more mystery yet it's also plenty of very clear lore
of why all of this happen

[deft dragon]

vessels just built different idk

[sinful nimbus]

Damage values aren't canon

[teal shell]

the abyss is a rip off minecraft nethrr

[sinful nimbus]

If they were Ogrim would do more damage than a tiktik

[whole juniper]

Rain world ancients used it for a different purpose seemingly- to commit real suicide but hk ancients might not have fully even found what void truly is

[fading whale]

I know I know

[lean temple]

The tablets saying Void cleanse us and whatnot, which mean they themselves were not Void beings

[foggy fractal]

trueeeeeee

[gaunt anchor]

ik its crazy to say but, but lowkey i like the first game more. idk if its nostalgia or just the fact there isnt anything to do after beating the game but damn

[sinful nimbus]

We see multiple members of their group they just looked like regular bugs

[lapis geode]

Come to think of it, one is THICK and one is slim.
It just doesn't make sense, is it?

[glass fjord]

Where are you in the game

[teal shell]

see the vision can be seen

[whole juniper]

act 3

[glass fjord]

Same lol

[teal shell]

why are you talking about this in the lore channel

[deft dragon]

me when there isnt more game after finishing a game

[teal shell]

this strikes me as a ss discussion convo not a ss lore convo

[glass fjord]

Shane

[sinful nimbus]

There isn't anything to do after beating HK either

[gaunt anchor]

godhome 💔

[teal shell]

thats me homeslice

[lapis geode]

Me that just finished the Mount Fay and
climb the cogtower be like:

[whole juniper]

The big different between rain worlds void and hks void and that hks void doesn’t have sperm cells

[deft dragon]

DLC 💔

[fading whale]

I think that's pretty obvious I mean there isn't really any pure void being other than the shades and the shade lord and even they were artificially created. The only pure naturally occuring void being are the tendrils if you can even call them that.

The creatures inhabiting the abyss aren't void, they are just adapted to it or have void inside of their bodies

[lapis geode]

WKWKWKWKWKWKWKWKWKWKWWK
True, true

[whole juniper]

lol you’ll get there soon enough

[obsidian quail]

my main question has been does that mean death via void, or do they void themselves out and become akin to vessels

because we don’t know if only vessels can do that

[foggy fractal]

now I'm listening again
Phantom does really sound like a grandma lmao
kinda fits though considering her age

[neat sandal]

how enough?
everything in pharloom basically run on silk
it will never enough

[gaunt anchor]

i genuinely think i will be dead before it comes out

[glass fjord]

Silksong is bringing me more rage than brawlhalla ever will and thats a feat

[queen patrol]

pk and wl dumped a lot of procreation attempts in there. are you sure about that

[obsidian quail]

but i’m open to it being either way if anyone actually knows

[lapis geode]

I just finished them bruhh..
Now I want to search where to get the Phantom that people
already spoiled her PNG anywhere I go.

Tried to backtrack it from Whispering Vault but I just can't find it

[whole juniper]

Shoot maybe not then

[teal shell]

lore channel btw

[glass fjord]

Shane

[foggy fractal]

bring it to the playtesters of the game not us skibidi !!!

[teal shell]

so you can type my name, can you type some lore related topics not skilk issues

[glass fjord]

Shane

[whole juniper]

It’s a good boss

[teal shell]

good bit

[glass fjord]

Shane

[whole juniper]

cockrah

[foggy fractal]

mods get him he's spamming !!!

[glass fjord]

Huh

[deft dragon]

yo shane you got a fan

[teal shell]

mods get him hes midly annoying

[gaunt kraken]

Has anyone else noticed how after act 2 the whole world becomes entangled in black void tendrils and black particles rise up everywhere, except for the wormways, where lifeblood has taken over? Does the lifeblood have some kind of anti void property?

[teal shell]

i got plenty already🤐

[lapis geode]

Please tell me that the mist is actually NOT the only road to her...
I just don't want anymore of parkour session... cogtower & mount fay are torturous enough

[whole juniper]

I think that maybe it’s a mix of being at the far border and the lifeblood

[fading whale]

That's a good observation and there is a point to it considering how void is also not inside of the lifeblood abyss room

[whole juniper]

The mist isn’t very bad if you know what you’re doing

[lapis geode]

Really?
Okay then. I'll try

[left dune]

Which HK ending is canon now?

[deft dragon]

only part of SS i had to look up

[glass fjord]

If Shane has 10000 fans im one of them
If Shane has 100 fans im one of them
If Shane has 10 fans im one of them
If shane has has 1 fan im that one fan
If Shane has 0 fans im dead

[deft dragon]

its ambiguous

[left dune]

oh ok

[gaunt anchor]

godhome

[glass fjord]

I think embrace the void is the best

[deft dragon]

love the dedication

[foggy fractal]

either etv or dnm

[deft dragon]

i mean yeah, but it isnt 100%

[glass fjord]

Thanks aged onions youre awesome

[whole juniper]

same. I didn’t NEED to look up the interactive map but it makes things a million times easier without removing game difficulty

[fading whale]

My personal opinion is clearly embrace the void, unclear if it's with or without the delicate flower. But people will always debate on this unless new info comes out

[glass fjord]

Guess so

[teal shell]

its both

its embrace and dream no more

[obsidian quail]

void insides like the vessels, because the dialogue used in their Void cleanse us seemed more like “make us empty” so i was wondering if they did was vessels did

[lapis geode]

I love how even Rain World, the game that barely even being touch
or updated also still have active community to talk with.

Hope THIS channel can also survive for also another 3 years or more...

[teal shell]

probably not

[limber anvil]

Based upon how the ending is called sister of the void. Which tends to mean singular do you think its referring to embrace the void? Meaning the Knight is the void itself basically now.

[left dune]

clearly without flower no? the knight's void spirit flashes into the void lord in the ending and how would Hornet know about the void lord if it disappeared with the flower

[whole juniper]

It actually had a dlc recently come out

[obsidian quail]

if everyone was killing themselves via void how would they even make it to civilization level

[deft dragon]

BIG maybe

[whole juniper]

in hk? Or rain world

[teal shell]

it could be like how ancient societies irl would sacrifice people to “benefit” them

[fading whale]

Probably make us empty in the head, probably just viewed as the lack of thought and consciousness as being some sort of ascension

[deft dragon]

calming to gods/void kinda?

[teal shell]

yeah

[whole juniper]

probably for immortality

[glass fjord]

Shane tips on karmelita she makes me want to hang myself

[lapis geode]

I knoww~
I'm Rain World player, y'know?

That DLC is actually culmination of the area mods that community
made, and the dev decide to make them all canon.

Good thing is, since I also already played majority of them, the DLC is practically easy

[teal shell]

what

[whole juniper]

Yeah

[glass fjord]

How beat karmelita

[foggy fractal]

its just refering to the knight being void not really etv ?

[whole juniper]

He needs your assistance

[teal shell]

get better at the game

[deft dragon]

use caltrops and spike traps. just farm dmg

[foggy fractal]

spam tools

[whole juniper]

But I think the void society tried to kill themselves in void to become apart of it since they worship it

[teal shell]

get guts greatsword and pure spec into vig, endurance and str

[glass fjord]

Yeah but they get out quickly and it just falls apart

[fading whale]

I don't think the flowers wipe the good out of existence, and if they do there's probably an infinite amount of void to fill the gap back in, including any will that happens to control it

[left dune]

Nooo don't ruin the fun

[gaunt kraken]

Maybe that's why it was considered taboo in Hallownest. If lifeblood really has anti-void properties, or if the two simply keep each other in check, it would have been a major hindrance to the Pale King. We even see lifeblood completely overrun the wormways, yet never reaching Pharloom proper. Not to mention, it spreads uncontrollably, much like the Radiance's infection, as Hornet points out

[deft dragon]

change crests idk. find one that works

[obsidian quail]

HK

[foggy fractal]

well what are we supposed to say other then "get good"

[lapis geode]

"How to beat--" question for me always have the same answer:
Use all your arsenal instead just only remember to slash. Use the silk skill & the tools you come up with.

That basically it.

[neat sandal]

wanderer crest, flea piss, spam attack button. you will eventually parry all her attack

[left dune]

say that lol

[whole juniper]

Also could have affected historical relics like arcane eggs

[lapis geode]

Not gonna lie, parrying repeated slash/stab is hot as fuck

[whole juniper]

Flea piss

[lapis geode]

Better than s8x

[foggy fractal]

yes this thankfully theres a bench near karmelita too
just experiment a bit, see what works what doesn't

[deft dragon]

there are some bosses that are good for using tools against. when that happens, use them

[gloomy path]

i dont understand parrying, after some parries you end up in the boss meaning you just take contact damage

[whole juniper]

Why are we helping in the more funnel

Lore channel

[neat sandal]

parry + crit sound
I addicted to wanderer crest

[deft dragon]

cuz we're nice people

[lapis geode]

I also want to get used to the quick-crest mod
where basically you can change your crest while in fight like devil may cry..

AND OH BOII IT'S HARD

[fading whale]

Kinda seemed to me like hornet was saying she has specifically seen LIFEBLOOD running rampant and making horrors, not comparing it to the infection

[foggy fractal]

wtf that's a thing already ?

[deft dragon]

not a fan of the shorter range tho

[foggy fractal]

you can use longclaw

[lapis geode]

Not all crest. Just wanderer, hunter, and shaman.

I'm waiting for the next update

[foggy fractal]

doesn't look like much of an increase in range but in my experience it helps a lot

[fading whale]

Triple pin helps stop her projectiles by only sometimes

[lean temple]

Probably because it's just sealed off from the outside Void and it can't make its way in

[deft dragon]

honestly i just focussed on maximizing my bind, using quick bind and more heal from a bind tools

[neat sandal]

longclaw solve your problem.
seriously.
once I got longclaw game become super easy.
until lost lace

[fading whale]

There's some lifeblood growth on the outside of the door too though

[lean temple]

Yes she talks about it causing aberrations

[deft dragon]

i just used reaper for most of it. similarly easy down pogo, and much more forgiving arcs

[foggy fractal]

ngl wanderers can still melt lost lace
a lot of her attacks involving her standing still which you can get easy 6 hits in with wanderers

[deft dragon]

became more a hunter crest guy at the end though

[lapis geode]

I love to use dash attack in wanderer.
The 3 stab combo of it is hot

[pure vortex]

i definitely read that whole sequence as her drawing a comparison from lifeblood to the radiance infection personally

[fading whale]

Something we don't see in hollow knight, nor is it referenced by anything in the game other than the fact that it is considered a taboo and joni is a heretic. To me that implies whatever nasty lifeblood things happened in hallownest that hornet saw or knows about, they happened way way before the events of the game

[pure vortex]

because especially in that area they are VERY similar

[gaunt kraken]

Definitely could be. And here was poor little naïve me, thinking this kind of force like life blood could exist in the world and be pure and good. Can't have shit in hollow knight xD

[deft dragon]

im honestly thirsting for more 5 great knights lore

[foggy fractal]

I used reaper for like 99% of the game
I changed to wanderers though after getting used to the moveset and equipping longclaw
faster swings mean -> more dmg, more silk (more spells, more heals)
like I can kinda semi tank hits now just because of how fast I get silk back

[deft dragon]

but we wont get any 🙁

[lapis geode]

It's been more than 10 years broo

Move on

[wary plover]

Why is bile people so hateful

[spark valve]

citadel poisoned their realm

[lean temple]

It's likely the PK was able to suppress it while still reigning but it could've otherwise gotten out of hand after his death

[wary plover]

Wait those frogs weren't born poisoned?

[queen patrol]

where is my ogrim basketball minigame dlc ‼️

[gaunt anchor]

guys what language do they speak in spain

[deft dragon]

more important question is why are they such cowards. COME OUT AND FIGHT ME

its a little quiet guys

new topic

what devil made those muckroaches?

[foggy fractal]

ari gibson and william pellen ?

jack vine ?

[fading whale]

"My unique shell can resist the darker deformations of this substance, but even I have limits..."

"In my home caves, when once this substance was allowed to flourish, I saw similar aberrations. This is wonder tainted strong with revulsion."

She's talking specifically about lifeblood man not the infection

[lapis geode]

Guys, one question:
What's make Upgraded Hunter Crest good?

Idk what it does

IT's basically the same

[pure vortex]

i mean in the actual dialogue she has with the alchemist guy

[deft dragon]

does more dmg if you dont get hit i think

[radiant vale]

for all we know lifeblood might originate from another higher being and infects people but different color

[fading whale]

When you build up a bE by continuously hitting you do more damage , you lose it if you heal tho

[deft dragon]

or take damage i believe

[fading whale]

Yeah sure but in the journal she says that other stuff so it's clear she knows

[covert tusk]

Very minor lore, but anyone else notice how Grindle seems to be like, the king of thieves? Like in his Blasted Steps shop those snitchfly things all surround him and cower while he stands his ground, and they all dress like him
Idk it’s just kinda funny how this asshole has his goons attacking us for money, then later sells us shit for stupidly high prices

[gaunt kraken]

To me, lifeblood is still the biggest mystery in the series. It's a force on par with the Void, yet no one seems to truly understand it. We know of no one who was ever affiliated with it and lived to tell the tale, and no one worships it despite it being everywhere and clearly having health benefits for most bugs. It just lingers there, quiet, still, a festering force of corruption. A different kind of life entirely

[deft dragon]

force on par with the void is a bit of a stretch. we dont know enough

[radiant vale]

i wouldnt say its on the same level as void since from what we understand void most likely covers their entire world such as the abyss layer

[fading whale]

Yeah it is mysterious indeed, salubra does like it also considering the shop description of the lifeblood charms she sells

[pure vortex]

she says something along the lines of "these alterations are eerily similar to those of another infection i know of, but perhaps i'm just seeing things"

[lapis geode]

Void is oil.
Lifeblood is.....what? we never know

[radiant vale]

lifeblood could just be something originating from another higher being

[cold axle]

void isn't just oil lmao

[radiant vale]

but lifeblood does infect just like the essence infection and void infection

[deft dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-america-usa-im-sorry-i-cant-hear-you-over-the-sound-of-my-freedom-gif-9521927

[fading whale]

She says "when THIS SUBSTANCE (lifeblood) was allowed to flourish, I saw similar abberations (similar to the wormways monsters )"

[lapis geode]

It's dark, orignate from deep underground, can be found anywhere you dig deep enough...

[queen patrol]

lifeblood basically seems like cancer magic. healing = cell regrowth. unrestricted cell regrowth = tumors
it heals your injuries, and then continues to heal you despite you no longer needing it, so your cells replicate out of control and the lifeblood-amped tumors devour you whole

[radiant vale]

thats certainly an analogy but i highly doubt it

[fading whale]

She literally says THIS SUBSTANCE when describing the plasmified fat worm

It's not talkimg about the infection it's very clear

[pure vortex]

again i'm not talking about the journal entries

[cold axle]

yeah that's literally every fucked up shadow goop in a fantasy setting

[gaunt kraken]

The only part where the void doesn't corrupt Pharloom is the worm ways which are overrun with lifeblood and in HK, in the room where you find the lifeblood core in the abyss, there is no void present either despite the place overflowing with it

[lapis geode]

Maybe Lifeblood is some kind of parasitic substance that
consume the user, tricked them with dopamine shots while they drown in addiction.

[pure vortex]

i swear there is a line of dialogue with the alchemist that directly alludes to the infection

[cold axle]

"horrible darkness thing deep underground" is a classic

[fading whale]

Alright but they're still canon and prove she has seen lifeblood aberrations in hallownest

[solid elk]

I did not know you lost it as you healed. Damn

[gaunt kraken]

If it's not on par with the void or something like it, there is clearly some interaction going on

[pure vortex]

yeah i'm not arguing against that at all, sorry if i misunderstood or something

[solid elk]

On par with Void seems like a stretch

[fading whale]

Npnp

[radiant vale]

i wouldn't rate it on the same level as void since we know other higher beings (radiance/pale ones) do have methods of warding away the void so lifeblood being able to do so just makes sense (assuming it comes from another higher being)

[lapis geode]

Come to think of it, Oil lore is also kinda dark.
Imagine millions upon trillions of body died, accumulated for millenia to liquidify by the womb of earth.

....wait that's also basically the void LMAOO

[queen patrol]

new theory: void is dinosaurs

[radiant vale]

you know this isnt a bad interpretation of it but we like fantasy stuff here fr

[solid elk]

Lifeblood doesn't actually kill you though. Even the alchemist says he's feeling great

[deft dragon]

i honestly wouldnt trust the word of that guy

he gives me bad vibes

[lapis geode]

The shocking things is the fact, Lifeblood IS ALSO CAPABLE.
Which means the substance is able to reject the void. That still dope if you remember
how potent the power of the void is.

[gaunt kraken]

Lifeblood has corrupting properties as well. Hornet due to her heritege is a higher being as well and even she gets corrupted by lifeblood if you give her too many hearts of it. Her shell breaks down and you become afflicted with a health regen effect

[radiant vale]

Hornets interaction with lifeblood ingame is interesting tho, you basically get hivemind healing in a better way once you infect yourself with lifeblood

[neat sandal]

don't judge people via vibe

[radiant vale]

so i wouldn't say lifeblood is as bad as the essence infection or void infection

[deft dragon]

i am definitely judging that guy from his vibe

[solid elk]

Why wouldn't you trust a man who would give you an organ out of his body? That sounds like an upstanding person to me.

[queen patrol]

he's named after the sweetner they put in toothpaste. pretty sus

[pure vortex]

i do think that just the entire aesthetic of that part of the game is clearly alluding to the infection anyway, with it being a corrupted version of an area from much earlier (like the infected crossroads) with a gooey, colored substance that makes bugs more powerful at the cost of physical mutation / altering their will

[deft dragon]

is there any lore to the pslam cylinders, or is that just music

[fading whale]

I think a thing about lifeblood is that it can only grow rampant if purposely spread (like by the alchemist) and with nothing at all opposing it . Maybe in hallownest's past, people like Joni overused it and caused it to go like that. In general the theme silksong establishes is that lifeblood has a problem with specifically being overused and overspread, that's why she says even I have limits and that's why the overdose mechanic exists.

However I don't think it can grow and spread to that uncontrollable level completely on its own. And definitely not when there's other powers around it like the infection (which is shown to be able to overtake lifeblood lifeforms like lifeseeds turning them into lifeseeds ) or like the void

[gaunt kraken]

Perhaps not as bad but different and not neccessarily better. Remember what it did to the alchemist, his assistant and every creature in the wormways

Not to mention with hornet, we know that lifeblood can infest higher beings as well

[radiant vale]

yea thats fair but a higher being heritege wouldn't mean shes immune to other higher being effects, its probably just a difference in level cuz even if she is a pale weaver, she cant really use her heritage to the highest level

[lapis geode]

The only difference between void & lifeblood
is that you know Void is inherently dangerous and basically makes you... hollow. No sugarcoating of its influence whatsoever. It's bad BAD.

While lifeblood? Some people still argue if this good or bad. It has trickery effect.

[solid elk]

Lifeblood is literally a net good in a way that Void isn't. Everyone who has been touched by Lifeblood feels good, while those touched by Void tend to die

Or get corrupted

[deft dragon]

the radiance wasnt bad before the infection. only the void is truly consuming no matter what

[radiant vale]

yea thats why im assuming lifeblood originates from some other higher being. The interesting part is the actual wood leech from greyroot being able to basically devour a whole higher being too

[gaunt kraken]

There is so much about life blood we don't know but for the first time we've seen what it can do if left to its own devices. I would actually have loved to see what would have happened had the void threads not overtaken the kingdom. Would we have gotten the same in blue?

[lapis geode]

See? Even we able to identify "void is bad"
Lifeblood? The bugs may never know it's killing them until the last breath

[radiant vale]

yea lifeblood is a mystery compared to some of the other things we know

[gaunt kraken]

It would be worse if it didn't end up killing them

[fading whale]

But it's not left on its own devices in silksong, it is on hollow knight though

[solid elk]

Eva has something particular to say about the parasite, right? Like it isn't normal?

[fading whale]

And yeah the greyroot leech is indeed the biggest mystery of all imo

[deft dragon]

i also wouldnt say lifeblood counters void cuz the knight can freely wear lifeblood on them

[radiant vale]

yea it was stuck inside hornets body and affected her soul as well

[neat sandal]

then flea piss is higher being too?

[pure vortex]

the void has the allure of removing pain and desire, the radiance had the allure of making you powerful and part of a whole, lifeblood has the allure of excellent health and longevity

[solid elk]

It isn't though. We have no evidence of Lifeblood killing anyone.

[fading whale]

If you go while cursed she says get the fuck away from me you vile creature I will not let you defile this nest any longer

[pure vortex]

that's kinda how i see it

[solid elk]

Hot damn

[radiant vale]

reminder that eva can only see souls and she could see the leech inside hornets soul as well. Which is why when we kill GMS while cursed, the leech comes out and basically devouers everything and uses GMS as fuel

[gaunt kraken]

In hollow knight maybe there is just too little of it or something keeps it at bay. In pharloom it was able to spread until presumably the void jumped in

[lapis geode]

Void tends to consume and make everything, physical and soul, to consumed by nothingness.
I guess we can agree Lifeblood is the exact opposite, all user of lifeblood always give a statement
that they feel... FULLFILLED.

One give you NOTHING.
One give you EVERYTHING.

Edit:
Both consume you though

[fading whale]

Like its crest/presence is so overpowering to her limited senses of the world that she can't even realise that it's just hornet who is being infested with it. She can't even sense hornets crest/presence. And it's stated by herself that she can basically only sense the world through that type of thing

[radiant vale]

i dont believe that lifeblood spreads like void/essence infection. It never spread in HK and in silksong the only reason it spread it because a mad scientist ass dude made it spread throughout the entire wormways, he said so himself

[gaunt kraken]

Wasn't there a creature in the abyss and in godhome that was affiliated with the stuff? Not to mention it also grew in godhome so it's not resticted to physical space either

[deft dragon]

when does lifeblood kill?

[lapis geode]

....wait a minute, that's fair

[solid elk]

Can't she hear Hornet, audibly? Like, they have conversation.

[radiant vale]

there was a section in the abyss where lifeblood was growing but it was kind of in hibernation and locked away, so hard to tell since so little information

[fading whale]

There's quite literally much more of it in hollow knight, there's full grown cocoons all over the map whereas in silksong it's budding cocoons only and even with everything that happens only two of them fully grow eventually. There's also many more lifeblood roots and butterflies in hollow knight than in silksong

[deft dragon]

sometimes i wish TC would just spell everything out

[lapis geode]

Anyway, I've done the Polip quest.
What do I need to gather to continue the witch quest? I don't know where to search

[gaunt kraken]

In HK the only place where we really see a lot of it is in the abyss room, where it seemed that someone set some system up wherebye only a THOROUGHLY lifeblood infested creature could enter. Remember, even hornet got infested after just 8 masks of that stuff

[past flax]

it won't be for awhile longer

[quiet narwhal]

if they did that people would poke holes in their explanation instantly

[past flax]

you need to go down from whispering vaults to bilewatwr

[gaunt kraken]

That is true. But that also begs the question: If the growth of lifeblood is so explosive, why didn't it overtake Hallownest. As we see in the abyss room it clearly spreads like wildfire even there

[radiant vale]

yea but there can be the analogy where hornet was infected with lifeblood but in the end she could still control her body and mind. Tho it did change how her health regenerates

[fading whale]

Anything allowed into godhome is anything that is "worthy" or "powerful enough" to be picked up by the godseekers tuning. It's safe to say a mysterious force of nature like lifeblood, that is also related to an actual being would get in, (lifeblood creature), not to mention it is also related to dreams and the dream realm somehow as we can see by the particles in the lifeblood abyss room. All those facts make it very logical that it gets into godhome , a dream realm that channels powerful beings

[queen patrol]

maybe the infection choked it out

[solid elk]

The Infection seems like a competitor

[dense patio]

@steel scroll I can’t watch man you too far in

[fading whale]

You can't even talk to her like the moment you step into the room she puts up a barrier and yells at you to gtfo, you can never get close enough to have the speak option

[queen patrol]

lifeblood couldn't get a good grip on the place with the radiance already having her hooks in everything

[gaunt kraken]

Still that happened to her after only 8 hearts and she is far stronger than a normal bug. How many did you need to get into that door? 20?

[solid elk]

Oh wow

[quiet narwhal]

it may have been partly zylotol's fault. might have done something to speed it up

wait wrong person

[pure vortex]

my theory is that the higher being lifeblood stems from is probably the most intelligent of those we've seen so far (apart from the pale king) and is basically biding it's time and carefully choosing where it spreads it's influence until it has an opportunity to finally go all out all at once

[solid elk]

Does something happen with 8 Hearts?

[radiant vale]

theres also the fact that lifeblood inherently doesnt spread while the infection does and is controlled by a higher being

[vocal kraken]

what killed crust king khann bro why was he turned into a dream boss he shoudlve been alive

[radiant vale]

i think you might need to be biologically changed to be able to open that door into a lifeblood type creature and im just that isnt inherently bad like essence infection and void

[naive crag]

the coral reef in the sand dune and you ask why he's dead

[gaunt kraken]

True, that way and by the fact that the blue eyed "abyss creature" can also be found in godhome we can probably tie the origins of lifeblood to a being. Considering how strong we learn it to be, it's interesting though how the godseeker never makes mention of it

[radiant vale]

yea he said that he was experimenting with lifeblood and he spread it over the wormways thats why

[fading whale]

I said this earlier today, I think the knight can't get infested with lifeblood the same way hornet can because he is much less a biological bug. He is quite literally a shell with void inside. Hornet is half actually physical weaver spider with like organs and shit. I think lifeblood has to have like organs and liquids and tissues like that to take over an organism. In the knights case, it just reinforced his shell from the outside. Hornets case is the same until she overdoes it and it seeps inside her

[gaunt kraken]

I would beg to differ on account of the fact that it basically turned the alchemist and his assistant int zombified lifeblood addicts with little more mind than someone caught by the Radiance's infection. They even talk the same way

[radiant vale]

this take does actually make sense

[gaunt kraken]

Horet's shell essentially breaks down and your health bar is replaced by 6 lifeblood masks with natural health regen

[solid elk]

Lifeblood also has the weakness of bugs taken by it not losing themselves. The alchemist is still himself and still seems to want to continue his work, while the Haunting and Infection literally can control people

[radiant vale]

Yes, i can understand that but that alchemist was literally injecting himself with lifeblood which is why he changed, he thought of it as some miracle substance which could let him live long. There were a bunch of lines when you play the needles which supports this

[solid elk]

WHEN. Where do you get this many masks???

[gaunt kraken]

Substantiating this, in the teacher's archived we learn of the way that a vessel is made. They are literally hollowed out shells with void being filled into them. The only thing living about the knight that Lifeblood could get to was the remains of the shell, which it strengthened

[radiant vale]

architect crest with the tool

[golden olive]

u have to use the architect crest and spam the phial

[gaunt kraken]

Pump yourself full of it

[fading whale]

Yeah I'd expect it to be mentioned like the white lady the pale king and even unn , with their own non combat rooms to be acknowledged. But who knows, maybe it's so taboo that the taboo has reached the godseekers too. It does matter that the door in godhome is basically locked , and you need considerable effort through activating bindings to get it open. That does imply to me the godseekers consciously or subconsciously buried its presence, kinda like how they did with zote

[solid elk]

Well, that is a combo I never considered

[fading whale]

Thought for wildly different reasons

[gaunt kraken]

Definitely true. It's always promises with these higher beings, their dreams fulfilled, being a part of a civilisation or having your health concerns being done away with. All to end up a corrupted husk of yourself by whatever force you thought your saviour

[radiant vale]

the real question is if this is gonna be an update or just cut content?

[solid elk]

I think Lifeblood deserves more grace than this. It seems literally just not harmful to the user

[gloomy path]

can we even say that for gms, she was basically a power source and also a prisoner

[fading whale]

Ain't no way they would cut this content it's too much effort, plus steel assassin Sharpe is a backer character they would get a lot of shit or even breach of terms and conditions if they never put him in the game

[radiant vale]

yea higher beings are very weird and we still dont know too much about them

[solid elk]

Was GMS being destructive prior to the Citadel Caste?

[radiant vale]

yea i did hear they were gonna be working on silksong for years to come like they did with HK free DLCs

[golden olive]

power source for who?

[gloomy path]

no, the weavers put her to sleep

[fading whale]

I think the water area was meant to be the prime form of sands of karak? So maybe we go to the past or in a memory somehow and that's how we're gonna see the water

[gaunt kraken]

Maybe lifeblood infection is something universally understood by the bugs of hallownest, but if that was the case then surely Hornet would have known more about it and stopped the spread of the lifeblood before it could get this out of hand. At least now we know why someone could consider it taboo. I'm convinced the stuff could probably run through a kingdom

[gloomy path]

her silk, she is the primal source of silk after all, which the caste used for psuedo immortality

[radiant vale]

yea it looks like it, i was assuming we would go through memories of certain areas with some of the updates

[gaunt kraken]

The zombified alchemist, the mutated bugs and the assistant who looks like he sees the radiance in his dreams would beg to differ

[fading whale]

She would have stopped it in which kingdom you mean

[wild mesa]

So I'm pretty sure I just slept through most of the dialogue in this game. Is there a reason there's so many sentient bugs and pilgrims, aren't most bugs only sentient in hollow knight cuz of the pale king?

[solid elk]

It really isn't that bad. It's not much worse than the worst addictive drugs IRL

[gloomy path]

is it stated the pk was the only wyrm

other wyrms could have caused other bugs to have sentience wherever they go

[fading whale]

Pale king can grant higher thought, but he isn't necessary for it

[solid elk]

One of those was already dead. The alchemist literally is enjoying himself. The mutated bugs are literally Vermin not worth considering.

[gaunt kraken]

I once thought that Wyrms qualify as a higher being, but then most of the apparent higher beings we see aren't wyrms or are (at least not obviously) related to them

[radiant vale]

wyrms can just be a type of race that are innately higher beings from all we know

[gaunt kraken]

Ngl the alchemist seemed more like a dude hooked up on so many drugs you could tell him the sky was green and he would agree happily

[radiant vale]

but even higher beings have their own subcatagories like Pale ones

[fading whale]

Wyrms do qualify, but there are different kinds of higher beings too

[solid elk]

We support wireheading in this server.

[radiant vale]

my theory is that wyrms basically choose a certain type of faction to be a part of as they grow up. The pale king obviously chose to be a pale one and the "Blackwyrm" might've chosen to become a void one

[fading whale]

I think he is just the type of guy to be susceptible to such to obsession, not that necessarily it was the lifeblood that drove him mad

[radiant vale]

but hey thats a very shot in the dark theory since we dont know much about wyrms at all

[void smelt]

Someone can explain to me this text:

Containment fails. Memory lost. Excise outer. Maintain inner.

Shellwood stasis sustained - Remember.

Marrowlands stasis critical - Remember.

Verdanian environment exceeded - Destined to forget.

[gloomy path]

oof so black wrym ownzoned my boy

[golden olive]

hm i dont think they're getting the silk directly from GMS but yeah she is responsible for all the silk

[gaunt kraken]

The Pale king, which was a pale being stemmed from a wyrm's corpse, does that make the wyrm also a pale being or are wyrms just inherently pale beings, or does the wyrm become a pale being once it sheads it's shell? The grandmother silk is also refered to as a pale being by hornet. Does that mean she is also the remnant of a wyrm shell being cast off?

[fading whale]

The memorium is a zoo meant to preserve pharlooms biodiversity basically

So they don't become forgotten

[void smelt]

Thanks

[solid elk]

They did a poor job at keeping as many creatures as they could

[radiant vale]

i believe wyrms themselves are innately higher beings but not pale beings. GMS is NOT a wyrm atleast theres no hints to it. The white lady is also a pale being but shes a root so i assume wyrms do not automatically become pale ones and can probably choose

[void smelt]

and the memorium failed or what?

[gloomy path]

it's what confuses me the most, im not sure if gms actually controlled or influenced the conductors to hunt the weavers for their silk, and that the caste thought of that themselves to become immortal or just to use for her daughter lace, its... all jumbled.

[gaunt kraken]

But yeah just based off of the fact that he had literal tendrils running through him and the assistant was a mindless horror, I'd not place that much weight on what they had to say about the safety of lifeblood

[vocal kraken]

where is this

[radiant vale]

Grandmother silk does look alot like a spider type bug tho, her 6 arm attack and the fact she uses silk is pretty good reason to assume shes some type of spider type creature

[deft dragon]

chat whats the sprintmaster lore?

[fading whale]

For some of the biomes apparently yes. I'm a bit puzzled about the verdania part, I think that one was deliberately let go because they were opposing the citadel

[vocal kraken]

what wat is this

[fading whale]

He got color changing surgery from red to blue apparently

[radiant vale]

i think they just failed to maintian the biome after the real verdania went extinct

[fading whale]

Or the hollow knight spring master is red and this one is another guy

[deft dragon]

kinda like the dashmaster

[solid elk]

The Assistant was already a corpse, so that doesn't really count.

That's like saying Necromancy is innately bad bevause it can reanimate the dead

[vocal kraken]

where tf is this

[gloomy path]

shows up >runs > leaves

[golden olive]

its definitely contrived, pretty sure gms used the haunting to make the citadel bring weavers to her tho. and yeah she's basically just doing it for lace 😭

[gaunt kraken]

So either the wyrm that once was the pale king was a pale being itself or the pale king became a pale being once the he cast his shell off in his wyrm form. That begs the question whether or not pale beings are also inherently pale beings or created

[deft dragon]

its an act 3 quest

[solid elk]

The sexiest man in Pharloom

[vocal kraken]

yea where

[naive crag]

stynx is sexier

[deft dragon]

the bench on the far right

[radiant vale]

imo i think people can basically convert to become a pale being of their own level. Like higher being can turn into a pale higher being and we do have some normal pale bugs too like in the white palace

[fading whale]

But what does it mean exceeded? They say the verdanian environment EXCEEDED. Did it exceed some sort of limit, step over a line and thus it was decided by the memorium managers that it is destined to be forgotten aka removed from the memorium

[solid elk]

The gave that the only electrical coral in the game are there makes me weep for the cut content

[deft dragon]

feels like an entire coral area was cut

we only got the coral tower

[radiant vale]

they might add more with the updates

[radiant vale]

yea im not too sure about that, but rip verdania

[fading whale]

Uh that's not true, the voltnest exists

[solid elk]

The PK can also just turn into other bugs, in general. He is still a Wyrm, but that is a big deal in itself

[crisp basalt]

I think it literally grew to big for what they could maintain and they let it die

[solid elk]

THE WHAT???

[radiant vale]

voltnest might've been a part of the entire coral biome since they do have alot of similar looking areas

but theres only a small section still "alive"

[solid elk]

Bro, I have 95% completion. Am I just missing all the coolest shit???

[fading whale]

Yeah it's in the sands of karak it has some platforming and a shitty gimmick boss go do it

[radiant vale]

hidden area above sands of karak

[fading whale]

That makes more sense

And which one was the one that was forgotten and had the outer excised and the inner maintained?

[solid elk]

I assume the reward is worth it?

[crisp basalt]

It is biome that seems to overrun it's surrounding the most

[fading whale]

I forget

[fading whale]

If you use silk skills definitely

[gaunt kraken]

I can get behind that, yeah.

One thing I’ve also noticed is that the void, which the snail shamans say and demonstrate, can drown a god, and very efficiently at that, still avoids lifeblood completely. Something about that substance is very very wrong.

[fading whale]

Also you need to go there to complete the material

[crisp basalt]

It gives you this games version of Shaman Stone

[strong flame]

sorry is it just me or do the bells that unlock the citadel gate play the first 4 notes of Dies Irae?? literal death, as a song, is played as early as 10 minutes into the game???? sorry?????????

[fading whale]

Materium

[solid elk]

I swear, is there a super jump hidden area in every region in Act 3?

[radiant vale]

yea sadly we dont have much info at all on that, never forget that alot of higher beings exist with their own powers too like nightmare heart granting nightmare essence to some bugs (Grimm)

[radiant vale]

i wouldnt say every area but there are a good number of them

[fading whale]

If you didn't super jump in sand of karak then you missed watcher at the edge too, pretty cool miniboss I first tried him tho, but barely

[crisp basalt]

Tbf he is easy to miss even with jump

[fading whale]

I finished the last like 20% of his hp camping in the narrow entrance , had a close call where he managed to jump in with me a couple times but I pushed him back. Was on 1 hp. Volt filament pale nails melted him tho

[gaunt kraken]

I thought the nightmare heart just feasted on the nightmare essence naturally occurring in hallownest

[radiant vale]

it does this and move on to other kingdoms as mentioned by grimm, a whole ass cycle

[ionic helm]

was the pale king a deadbeat? why isnt he present in hornets memory?

[fading whale]

Yeah it eats nightmare essence from kingdoms with a lot of that, the comolete lack of essence and dreams is kinda weird in pharloom tho is it not

[radiant vale]

yea he is a deadbeat dad

[solid elk]

Pale King didn't show any evidence of caring for Hornet

[fading whale]

He probably wasn't too happy about having to have her

[solid elk]

Pale King showed more love to Pure Vessel than Hornet, actually

[radiant vale]

i assume its because the grimtroupe has either come and devoured it all or we can't see it since we dont have any "dream" powers

[fading whale]

Yeah probably the latter

The way hornet goes into memories isn't quite the same, that has to do more with the thread of the soul in my view

[gaunt kraken]

That way, Grim would just be a tool in its repertoire, a creature born and fed from nightmare essence and forever bound to the heart's will

[fading whale]

That's why when she spawns in the memories she is in a webbed up part

[solid elk]

Do any characters respond to the Needolin as though they know Hornet is reading their thoughts?

I liked how Midwife and others were noted to be able to know that they were being mentally spied on via the Dream Nail

[fading whale]

Nkg is probably the nightmare heart's will made manifest tho I don't think he is like a tool or controlled or something

[fading whale]

I mean they are probably in a trance state being compelled to sing out their thoughts that's how I see it.

[craggy smelt]

mf loves sprinting

[whole hawk]

Does anyone remember which lore tablet or dialogue confirms that the weavers cant reproduce?

[solid elk]

Wait, they are literally singing?

Even non intelligent bugs will have dialogue

[fading whale]

Eva says it's super painful and almost impossible for weavers to conceive

[fading whale]

I'm not sure

[solid elk]

Like humans then, got it

[fading whale]

I mean there's also no male weavers that we know of if we assume that a male is needed. Eva mentions having two mothers, but she also says she's not weaver-kin. She's a daughter by way of being created, but artificially, not through reproduction

She's literally made purely of magic/soul/rune/silk and a bit of shell

[solid elk]

The Weavers could be female only. It isn't unheard of among animals

[gaunt kraken]

But if that's true, what's the new troupmaster to be still doing with the knight after the ritual is over?. Considering what the knight will do, that should be the last pace he would want to be, no?

[fading whale]

You mean the grimmchild? Maybe it just stays until it is fully grown into Grimm size again and then fucks off

[gaunt kraken]

He'd either end up, imprisoned in the black egg, or subsumed by the shade lord

[gaunt kraken]

Yeah the Grimchild